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Bluekujapianoboy3333: oki12:02
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: hold on, what's <packagename>-default.ex for in debian/* ?12:04
Bluekujaits the initscrip12:05
Bluekujat12:06
Bluekujaare you packaging a daemon?12:06
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: no12:09
pianoboy3333if not I don't need it?12:09
Bluekujapianobay3333: in fact you need it to add options to the daemon12:09
Bluekujapianobay3333: a initscript12:10
Bluekujaif you dont need files like it or emacs one12:10
Bluekujaor watch.ex etc, just delete them12:10
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: what about postinst.ex postrm.ex preinst.ex prerm.ex ?12:11
Bluekujathey are maintainer scripts12:11
Bluekujafor dpkg12:12
pianoboy3333So keep those12:12
Bluekujain fact they're scripts for upgrade, install, etc12:12
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: what command should I build with?12:12
pianoboy3333debuild?12:13
Bluekujayep, or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot12:13
Bluekujaremember to add your key to the file12:13
Bluekujabut anyway debuild will ask you for it12:13
pianoboy3333right12:13
Bluekujajust manage to create a working key, and write down the pwd when its requested12:14
Bluekujaremember to check the package with both linda and lintian12:15
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: can you tell me how to do that?12:16
Bluekujawhat? key?12:17
pianoboy3333no12:17
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: linda and lintian, just run it in the top source directory?12:17
Bluekujano12:17
Bluekujayou have to run them on the package12:17
Bluekujalike12:17
Bluekujalintian packagename.deb12:18
pianoboy3333after it's built though12:18
pianoboy3333oh12:18
Bluekujalintian packagename.changes12:18
Bluekujaetc12:18
Bluekujaanyway if you need to upload it to revu, you have to include sources in it12:18
Bluekujawith -S -sa options12:18
jmanbluewhat exactly does a MOTU do??12:18
jmanblueit sounds cool...12:19
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: here's what happened: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1435712:19
pianoboy3333jmanblue: it's for maintainers and packaging and such12:19
Bluekujajmanblue: create packages, review them, upload them in universe etc12:19
Bluekujafor the community12:19
pianoboy3333Ubotu isn't in here?12:19
Bluekujapianoboy3333: let me take a look12:19
pianoboy3333This isn't just when trying to build this package, I've tried others too12:20
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: the package is a python module12:20
Bluekujaif you install it12:21
Bluekujanormally12:21
Bluekujado you get that error too right?12:21
pianoboy3333No12:21
jmanbluecool, i've always wondered how to create packages...12:21
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: I was able to install and build it with checkinstall fine12:22
pianoboy3333that's the weird part12:22
Bluekujatell me what you did12:22
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: you can get the directory I'm working with at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.bz212:23
pianoboy3333no, wait12:23
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: it's at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz212:25
pianoboy3333agggg12:32
pianoboy3333I'll never figure out what's wrong...12:33
pianoboy3333damnit12:33
Bluekujapianoboy3333: just a moment, I'm checking12:34
pianoboy3333oh, I thought you were away, sorry ;)12:34
pianoboy3333you are marked as away actually12:34
Bluekujaoh yes, i forget it12:34
Bluekujano more away ^^12:35
Bluekujainstalling deps12:35
pianoboy3333ok12:35
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: you'll need to compile them unfortunately, it depends on libnotify412:36
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: http://www.galago-project.org/downloads.php12:36
Bluekujayep, i've just noticed it12:36
Bluekujaokie let me compile12:36
Bluekujai'll have to package that lib12:37
Bluekuja^^12:37
pianoboy3333Yea, once I get past compiling a simple program, I'll move on to libs...12:37
Bluekujayeah, it harder creating libs12:38
Bluekuja*its12:38
Bluekujaanyway you'll need to read the debian guide12:38
Bluekujaand make some practice12:38
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Bluekujamore deps for that file12:42
Bluekujalets install them ^^12:42
pianoboy3333Like?12:42
Bluekuja Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2.2 glib-2.0 >= 2.2.2, dbus-1 >= 0.36, dbus-glib-1 >= 0.36) were not met.12:42
Bluekujai have glib and dbus installed12:43
pianoboy3333are you able to sucessfully build the package?12:44
Bluekujaaww dbus version 0.3612:44
Bluekujai have 0.2312:45
pianoboy33330.23? I have 0.60 are you using breezy?12:46
BluekujaI'm on Debian now12:47
pianoboy3333oh12:47
Bluekujalets move to the laptop12:48
Bluekujagive me a minute12:50
Bluekujai open it12:50
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: whazup?01:14
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Bluekuja_laptoppianoboy3333: still there?01:14
pianoboy3333yep01:14
Bluekuja_laptopcan you send me01:15
Bluekuja_laptopthe link again?01:15
pianoboy3333Bluekuja_laptop: http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz201:15
Bluekuja_laptopalso lib01:16
pianoboy3333http://www.galago-project.org/downloads.php01:16
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Bluekuja_laptoppianoboy3333: I'm having a problem with sudoers file that has got chmod 77701:33
Bluekuja_laptopso i cannot run synaptic, or other applications that requires root01:34
pianoboy3333hmmm?01:34
pianoboy3333Bluekuja_laptop: why?01:34
Bluekuja_laptopcoz yesterday i was setting up some permissions on /etc01:34
pianoboy3333so....01:34
pianoboy3333login as root01:35
pianoboy3333and fix it I guess01:35
Bluekuja_laptopof course, but its disabled01:35
pianoboy3333very niced01:35
Bluekuja_laptopyeah, the only time that i forget to change root pwd01:35
pianoboy3333what do you need to do? fakeroot may help01:36
Bluekuja_laptopsynaptic can't be launched with fakeroot...01:37
pianoboy3333'twould be a problem01:37
Bluekuja_laptopi'm without root and sudo01:38
Bluekuja_laptopwhat can i do?01:38
Bluekuja_laptopformat :D01:38
plugwashwhat bootloader are you using?01:39
Bluekuja_laptopgrub01:40
plugwashmmm unfortunately i have no experiance with grub01:40
Bluekuja_laptopaww01:40
Bluekuja_laptopwell its the first time that i get thi problem01:40
plugwashwhat you need to do is pass init=/bin/bash on the kernel command line01:40
plugwashnot sure how you'd do that with grub though01:41
plugwashwhen you do that the kernel should boot and drop straight into a rootshell01:41
Bluekuja_laptopoh01:42
Bluekuja_laptoplet me check it with grub01:42
pianoboy3333There is the safty mode, or whatever it's called that boots into a root shell01:42
Bluekuja_laptopah yeah right01:43
Bluekuja_laptopbrb01:43
plugwashyeah that might work too if theres no root password set at all01:43
plugwashrather than a forgotten root password01:44
pianoboy3333plugwash: isn't it bad to have a root password?01:45
Bluekujaplugwas: thanks to make me remember about safety mode01:46
Bluekuja^^01:46
pianoboy3333I had that idea though :-(01:47
plugwashwell ubuntu has this strange idea of using sudo all the time, i'm not sure i see the point myself01:47
plugwashusing a seperate root password and su rather than sudo at least means that they need to steal two passwords01:48
pianoboy3333plugwash: I don't know, what's wrong with sudo? it uses the user password instead of one root password that can corrupt the sys01:48
pianoboy3333plugwash: that's the idea, you disable the root password01:48
plugwashsudo still gets you root01:49
plugwashyou can do just as much damage with sudo as with a direct root login01:49
pianoboy3333ok, w/e01:49
crimsunplugwash: the lesson here is "best practices" for people migrating, and thus new to Linux01:49
plugwashcrimsun i just don't belive that what people are pushing as best practice really is01:50
crimsunplugwash: it never was the intention to /prevent/ someone from using su. It's presumed that if one is competent enough to understand the tradeoffs between su and sudo, then sudo -{i,s} are as easily accessible as su [-] 01:50
pianoboy3333plugwash: I think I'd obviously have a different opinion if I used another distro other than ubuntu01:51
crimsunplugwash: as polemic as theo et al. can be, they have a good point pushing the use of sudo.01:51
crimsunPersonally that is a smart move for Ubuntu.01:52
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plugwashcrimsun so what do you think is so good about sudo? other than the fact it lets an attacker into root with one password rather than two (which is something of a disadvantage)01:52
crimsunplugwash: an audit trail if used properly.01:53
plugwashonce someones root thats easilly tampered with, i guess it could help deal with admin incompetance though01:54
plugwash(on a multi admin box)01:54
crimsunwell obviously once root privileges have been gained, there's nothing one can do short of physically yanking the box.01:55
plugwashalso iirc sudo only asks for your password once for several commands01:56
crimsunyou can shorten the timeout01:56
plugwashso all malware running under your user account has to do is wait for you to use sudo and then use it itself01:56
crimsunthat's no different from su01:57
crimsunhowever, at least it will be logged01:57
Bluekujapianoboy3333:  I've to go now, i'm really tired, whole day working on some packages ,tomorrow come here, I'll give you news about your package01:57
Bluekujacya plugwash, cya crimsum01:58
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: kk01:58
crimsunbye Bluekuja01:59
plugwashnote: i'm not saying i like su much better but at least it asks for the password every time and uses a different password from your main login01:59
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Bluekujacya guys01:59
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bluefoxicyHey, is anyone interested in games?  :)02:00
bluefoxicyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Games  I spent about an hour triaging those 8, just to clean things up.02:01
plugwashi tend to belive that most desktop users have security backwards. The aim should be to restrict apps in dangerous positions (web browsers irc clients etc) not to let all the users apps shit on each other while requiring special (and malware vulnerable) systems to raise the permissions for things involving hardware02:03
tsengthats why ubuntu goes out of its way to not run hal as root02:04
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bluefoxicyplugwash:  you sound like you don't like NOrton AV or Windows Defender, with them allowing normal users to disinfect critical system files.........02:08
trappistif somebody could do a quick rebuild/upload of eterm, per bug #45815 a long-standing problem would go away and I sure would be happy.  any takers?02:11
UbugtuMalone bug 45815 in eterm "Eterm needs a rebuild against updated libast" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4581502:11
plugwashbluefoxicy well windows is even worse, it pretty well forces you to run as admin and then makes it very hard to downgrade privilages for individual apps02:11
bluefoxicyXD02:12
plugwashtbh i rarely run exposed user apps (web browsers etc) on linux anyway so i just run as root all the time02:12
plugwashbut if i wanted more security running as a low privilage user would not be the way i'd go about doing it02:13
bluefoxicywe all run as root all the time02:13
bluefoxicyjust with training wheels (sudo)02:13
bluefoxicyyou don't actually think that thing would actually stop a compromised account from gaining root access do you?02:14
plugwashno i don't but i think too many people are under the false impression that it will02:14
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bluefoxicyI should write a proof of concept that infects an ubuntu user's account and runs rm -f /boot/* when he next sudos02:15
bluefoxicythat would leave the system unbootable, but easily fixable (livecd, re-install your kernel)02:15
plugwashagreed, if possible make it work with su as well02:15
bluefoxicyanyone who actually runs it is asking for it.02:16
bluefoxicybut i'm far too lazy02:16
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bluefoxicyplugwash:  right now I'm more interested in Nexuiz, OpenQuartz, and CrystalCore being packaged and promoted to main so we can say we got games.02:19
bluefoxicyUbuntu LAN Party LiveCD?  :)02:19
plugwashi'm a debian user really, i only started hanging out here trying to get freepascal into universe (without success)02:20
plugwashit seems there are only a few people who can perform a non autobuilt upload and they are always distracted by other stuff02:20
bluefoxicyare those three things in debian proper somewhere?02:20
bluefoxicyN isn't....02:20
trappistwho should I appeal to?  my favorite console is unusable on my desktop, and I'm a console guy, it'd just be a quick build/upload of eterm02:23
Amaranthtrappist: Not going to happen for dapper.02:24
trappistAmaranth: you're kidding.02:24
AmaranthI'm not02:24
trappistAmaranth: it doesn't even need patched.  libast was patched and was supposed to trigger an eterm upload but didn't02:24
Amaranthit's too close to release time, you'd have to find someone who isn't busy squashing bugs02:25
crimsunerr, I'm pretty sure I triggered that, did I not?...02:25
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  that... is a bug?02:25
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trappistcrimsun: yes, but that patch didn't do the trick - a subsequent patch does02:25
crimsunargh, so another lock-step dance?02:25
crimsunif so, you know the drill.02:25
bluefoxicyit's universe isn't it02:26
Amaranthbluefoxicy: Oh, I thought it was a totally new package.02:26
trappistcrimsun: I had tested the previous patch, but stupidly, with both patches applied.  it's the second one that actually worked.02:26
bluefoxicyAmaranth:  nah, he's complaining eterm won't work.02:26
AmaranthOk, that's a different story.02:26
crimsuntrappist: reopen the bug (subscribe me if I'm not already) and clarify with url(s) to relevant patches, please02:27
trappistcrimsun: I opened a new eterm bug for it - you want me to reopen the libast bug?02:27
crimsuntrappist: if a patch will touch it, absolutely.02:27
crimsunif libast is already fixed and done with, then no.02:28
trappistlibast is fixed and done with - eterm just needs a rebuild/upload02:29
trappisteterm is bug #4581502:29
UbugtuMalone bug 45815 in eterm "Eterm needs a rebuild against updated libast" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4581502:29
crimsunI triggered that upload /after/ libast had built and was synced02:30
crimsunso if the bug is still there, then the libast patch is insufficient02:30
trappistcrimsun: let me check my timeline, but I'm 90% sure there was a subsequent (correct) patch that did not trigger an eterm upload02:31
trappistyes, the Eterm changelog is 1 week older than the libast2 changelog02:32
crimsunso essentially I /didn't/ trigger the upload?02:32
crimsun(which is what I was asking)02:32
trappistyou did, that patch didn't do the trick, there was another patch and another libast upload, and *that* upload didn't trigger an eterm upload.02:33
crimsunthat's because we have to trigger them by hand02:33
trappistI see02:33
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trappistthat's what I figured when there wasn't a new eterm for the new libast, so a new upload is what I was asking for02:34
crimsunok, so post-Barry's patch last week02:35
crimsungotcha.02:35
trappistexactly02:35
crimsunI'll chuck it.02:35
trappisterr02:35
trappistI'm referring TO barry's patch - that's the good one that eterm needs a build against02:35
crimsunchuck->trigger02:35
trappistoh ok :)02:35
trappistI got confused on the timeline and briefly thought you were barry02:36
crimsunUploading via ftp eterm_0.9.2-8.3build2_source.changes: done.02:37
crimsunSuccessfully uploaded packages.02:37
trappistawesome, thanks02:37
crimsunnp02:37
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FremHello. Whenever I connect to a wifi network using this atheros card, I get a "BUG" message and what looks like a kernel panic.04:01
FremThe error message says "[4295144.337000]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!"04:02
bddebianHeya Hobbsee04:04
bddebianFrem: Can you please file a bug on launchpad.net with as much detail as possible?04:05
Hobbseehi bddebian :)04:05
Frembddabian: aside from what I just said, the model of the card, and the kernel, what else do you want?04:06
imbrandonheya bddebian and Hobbsee04:08
Hobbseehi imbrandon :)04:08
bddebianHi imbrandon04:09
bddebianFrem: If you feel adventerous, you can try some of this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash04:09
crimsuncongrats Tonio_, Hobbsee, et al.04:09
Tonio_crimsun: :)04:09
Hobbseecrimsun: thanks :)04:09
HobbseeTonio_: congratulations to you as well :)04:09
bddebianOh?  Did I miss something AGAIN?04:09
Tonio_same for you Hobbsee :)04:10
Hobbseebddebian: yeah, kubuntu council got created04:10
Tonio_bddebian: for the kubuntu cc04:10
bddebianOh, awesome, congrats you two04:10
Tonio_bddebian: thanks :)04:10
Hobbsee:)04:10
imbrandonnice04:11
Frembddebian, not that adventerous. :-/04:11
imbrandonkubuntu council ? bddebian feel like a quick upload ? http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/temp      its a gnucash patch04:12
bddebianFrem: No problem :-)  Please file what you can.04:12
imbrandonfrom malone04:12
bddebianimbrandon: Nah, I don't do any uploads. ;-P04:13
imbrandonhehehe04:13
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bddebian:-)04:13
crimsunman, that crazy bddebian with his upload sprees.04:14
imbrandonsomeone got a link on the info for becoming a kubuntu member ( not motu *yet* ) heheh04:14
Hobbseeer...i'm not sure if one exists04:14
Hobbseeoh yes, sure it does04:14
imbrandon?!? heh04:14
bddebiancrimsun: Sorry man :-(04:14
Hobbseeimbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings04:14
Hobbseeadd yourself to that list - follow the ubuntu new membership guide...04:15
imbrandonumm list?04:15
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Hobbseeer, well, create that list04:15
imbrandonheh ok04:15
=== Hobbsee will fix it up in a bit
Hobbseebut breakfast first!04:16
imbrandonyea go get food ;)04:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember04:16
bddebianimbrandon: Can I ask one favor?04:17
imbrandonk Hobbsee thanks04:17
Hobbseesame thing, except for Add yourself to the Community Council Agenda and link to the wiki page - in our case, it's the kubuntu meeting page04:17
imbrandonok04:17
Hobbseei think that's the case, anyway04:17
imbrandonbddebian: sure04:18
bddebianimbrandon: Please use .diff or .patch for your files not .dsc.  It's very confusing at times :-)04:18
imbrandonahhh ok np , yea i use .diff here but change it to .dsc when i put it in the web sir, but i'll stop04:19
crimsunin fact, if you're generating debdiffs, it's good practice to suffix them .debdiff04:19
crimsunthat way there's no doubt :-)04:19
imbrandonkk yea they are debdiff's04:20
imbrandons/sir/dir04:20
bddebianimbrandon: OK, gnucash uploading04:20
imbrandoncool i'll remove it from my temp dir, that should close that malone bug too, i dunno how to close it on launchpad.net04:21
crimsunclick the source package link, and change the Status to "Fix Released"04:22
imbrandonk04:22
bddebianWhy the hell would scanpci binary be included in gatos?04:27
imbrandonheh04:27
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Frembddebian, I've submitted the bug. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/4582204:39
UbugtuMalone bug 45822 in Ubuntu "Atheos - BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!!" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 04:39
Toadstoolhey04:40
bddebianFrem: Great, thanks04:41
bddebianHeya Toadstool04:41
Toadstoolhey bddebian04:44
Toadstoolg'night all04:46
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imbrandonok updated my wiki and added myself to the page Hobbsee ( and changed a few minor things for ya like the link to kibuntu-members on launchpad.net was typo'd )  ;)05:14
Hobbseehehe thanks imbrandon05:14
Hobbseei thought i fixed that05:14
Hobbseehope you didnt add yourself ot ubuntu members as well...05:14
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imbrandonHobbsee:  nope05:14
imbrandonjust kubuntu05:14
Hobbseeimbrandon: i'd better be...05:14
Hobbseegood :)05:14
Hobbseeimbrandon: i cant exactly cheer for you...05:15
bddebianimbrandon: What meeting?05:15
imbrandoni changed the05:15
imbrandontimezone thiong at the top to to work like the ubuntu agenda one05:15
imbrandonalso05:15
Hobbseeimbrandon: i warn you now, i doubt we know what we're doing...so it might all be in a bit of a mess...05:15
imbrandonbddebian: the next kubuntu-meeting05:15
imbrandonHobbsee: np ;) i'm down for ground floor messes ;)05:16
imbrandonbddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings05:16
bddebianimbrandon: I doubt that I have any sway with kubuntu :-)05:16
Hobbseeimbrandon: small point - ubotu does the pointing, not ubugtu...05:16
Hobbsee:P05:16
Hobbseebddebian: if you've seen his work, it counts05:17
imbrandonwhoops ;)05:17
LaserJockdoes kubuntu have a council yet? I thought that was being formed in Paris05:17
HobbseeLaserJock: yes, it does, it was announced yesterday05:17
LaserJockHobbsee: what list?05:17
HobbseeLaserJock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-May/001217.html05:18
Hobbseei suspect it got posted to other lists as well - or more people are subscribed to that one than i thought05:18
imbrandonwhoa havent seen a netsplit in ahwile05:18
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LaserJockHobbsee: who is achim05:19
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HobbseeLaserJock: allee05:22
LaserJockoh ok05:22
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QuashAnyone know which team oversees ShipIt?05:28
Quashanyone here?05:29
bddebianQuash: Oversees in what regard?05:30
QuashWho makes decisions re: ShipIt05:30
bddebianWhat is ShipIt?05:31
QuashWhen you get Ubuntu CDs shipped to you free of charge.05:32
bddebianOh, Hmm.  Sorry I don't know05:32
bddebianHave you tried the wiki pages?05:32
Hobbseeisnt that listed on teh shipit page?05:32
Quashcouldn't find a contact email on the shipit page.05:33
Hobbseehttp://www.ubuntu.com/support/faq#head-7eef2db63e0a75424cdd663ee6f7b8eedcf1960705:34
slackerninfo@shipit.ubuntu.com05:34
slackernoh sorry see Hobbsee already put up the link.05:35
Hobbseehehe it's okay05:35
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slackernI put in an order for 10, that will suffice nicely for my friends and me.05:36
slackerntalked to some guy who put in an order for 500 just for the kicks of it, darn i got so mad, such a waste.05:37
Quashthanks!05:37
QuashYeah, ordering 500 for "kicks" is the act or an idiot...or an M$ employee.05:38
QuashI think the ShipIt program is missing one tiny thing...05:38
slackernto top it off he said he was just going to throw them away, i said he should atleast try to put them out somewhere where other people could atleast take and try one, like at a shoppingmall or whatever.05:39
chillywillylalala05:39
slackernohlala05:39
Hobbseehi chillywilly05:39
chillywillyhi05:39
Quash... a small collapsable (sp?) display case made of the same material as the CD case that would hold, lets say, 20 cds.  Small enough to ship in the same size packaging and to sit in a computer store by the cash register.05:39
Hobbseeslackern: notified cannonical of this?  they coul dprobably just not send that many...05:40
imbrandonQuash: exactly05:40
chillywillybddebian: wherefore art thou bddebian05:40
slackernHobbsee: No i haven't let them know, i saw you could make special orders for more cd's if you needed i was guessing he did something like that.05:41
Hobbseeslackern: you might want to05:41
QuashThen, you build a community-based campaign.  Ubuntu users go to their local independent computer shops and see if the stores would agree to take 20 free CDs and use the display case.05:41
slackernHobbsee: aye you are right, but i only have his forumname im afraid.05:42
QuashSo, Ubuntu users become distributors... helping to introduce mainstream, non-Linux users to Ubuntu.05:42
Hobbseeslackern: that'd do...05:42
slackernQuash: thats a good idea05:42
imbrandonQuash: I stick one in with every order i ship from ebay thats a computer part ( hard drives , nic cards etc )05:42
bddebianHeya chillywilly05:42
Hobbseebesides, it's pretty easy to figure out who it was...most people dont order 500...05:42
chillywillybddebian: hey05:42
imbrandonslackern: they could lookup his ip and the order ips easy05:42
imbrandonwith the forum name05:43
slackernimbrandon: ahh good, i will locate the thread and mail to info@shipit.ubuntu.com i guess.05:43
QuashMy local computer shop had a tonne of Ubuntu CDs, but they just sat in a messy stack, off on an out of the way counter.05:43
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Hobbseeusually testing cds, to test them out05:43
imbrandonyea or a daily build ;)05:44
imbrandonQuash: thats too bad05:44
chillywillyI'm tired...05:44
imbrandonQuash: yea i figure if they are ordering a computer part from me on ebay then i can send them a ubuntu cd also with the order and they MIGHT use it05:44
QuashA cheap, small display case would have kept them organized and right by the cash register.  Could state it's "Free" and there could be re-ordering instructions on the back for the store owners, once they saw them fly off the shelves.05:45
imbrandonyup05:45
imbrandonemail shipit or mark about it ;)05:45
Quashhow do I email mark?05:48
Quash...not that he probably wants to be bothered with stuff like this...05:48
imbrandondunno there probbly a link on http://www.markshuttleworth.com/05:49
slackernhaha,darn that forum has alot of ubuntu discussion nowadays, still plowing through threads to find it.05:49
Quashcan't see an email address for him on his site.05:50
slackernlook him up in the wiki, i saw he has like a tons of adresses, markshuttleworth@canonical.com markshuttleworth@gmail.com are 2 if i remember correctly.05:51
Hobbseei'd try mark@ubuntu.com or sabdfl@ubuntu.com05:51
Hobbseebut i doubt mark is the one to do anything about it - he probably has very little to do with the cds05:51
Hobbseehe's a very busy man, i'm told05:51
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LaserJockalso his LP page has email addresses05:58
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pianoboy3333Can someone help me with a deb I cannot build? http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz2 contains the build directory I'm working with06:03
imbrandonlittle inet trubbly today Hobbsee ??06:06
Hobbseeimbrandon: no, i just switched to the other kernel then...06:06
imbrandonahh ;)06:06
imbrandonHobbsee / bddebian how to fix the umetdeps ?06:29
imbrandontheres a ton of those i can run through i bet06:29
Hobbseeimbrandon: grab source, change deps, add to changelog, build in pbuilder, upload debdiff06:29
Hobbseebe careful though - bddebian's done some but hadnt updated the page :P06:29
imbrandonheh ok change deps as in remove the ones that are unmet is more what i ment ;)06:30
imbrandonk06:30
Hobbseeyes.  no, change them to what they should be...06:30
imbrandoni found that with dh_iconcache too, alot of the packages in main at the top are done but arent updated, i'm audating those now too as i run accross them06:30
Hobbseeah yes, that's different06:31
Hobbseei ended up modifying cdbs - so any packages that dont use a special kde.mk only need a rebuild06:31
imbrandonnice06:31
imbrandoni couldent get kvirc2 to build for me, i might try it again later tonight if i get bored06:32
imbrandonal the rest i did are uploaded06:32
imbrandons/al/all06:32
imbrandonyea i was going by this when looking for unmet deps ( from dholobacks blog ) LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -u |      xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u06:33
imbrandon*dholbach06:34
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=== tuxmaniac welcomes neutrinomass
neutrinomassGood morning tuxmaniac :)08:39
Hobbseehi neutrinomass and tuxmaniac08:39
neutrinomasshi Hobbsee08:39
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Hobbseehehe08:44
Hobbseebeing beaten up by a girl...for shame!08:44
crimsunthat Hobbsee is a violent one08:45
Hobbseehehe08:45
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Hobbseehush crimsun :P08:45
tuxmaniacHobbsee seems to like /dev/null a lot!!08:46
Hobbseehehe08:46
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=== Hobbsee is on a roll today!
tuxmaniacI pity /dev/null . Yesterday it has to take in all those bugs in it.. And today its crimsun.. Oh oh.. ahhhhhh And its me now!08:47
Hobbseehehe!08:49
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neutrinomassWhat about a progress bar in gksu to solve #9214 ?08:50
tuxmaniacbug 921408:50
UbugtuMalone bug 9214 in gksu "gksu error reporting could be more friendly" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/921408:50
tuxmaniacok wishlist! Hmm..08:50
crimsuna progress bar?08:51
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neutrinomasscrimsun: Well, you can't know beforehand if sudo will fail.08:51
crimsunright, but a passwd dialogue implies atomicity08:52
neutrinomasscrimsun: It's mainly to address the "wait. nothing.nothing.nothing" issue described in the bug-report when you type the wrong password ...08:52
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crimsunthere's no intermediate state, so a progress bar is wrong semantically08:52
Mithrandir'morning08:53
tuxmaniac+108:53
neutrinomasscrimsun: Ugh, yes, you're right.Not lose focus then? Keep the gksu window open ?08:53
crimsunmorning Mithrandir08:53
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crimsunneutrinomass: that's a difficult one08:57
Hobbseehi Mithrandir08:58
neutrinomasscrimsun: I'm not familiar with how gksu works but it doesn't seem so difficult.... :-/08:59
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sivangMithrandir: I agree. Is this a net radio so I could also calm myself? :)09:13
Mithrandirhttp://media.hiof.no/streams/m3u/nrk-petre-128.ogg.m3u is the 128kbit ogg vorbis stream, http://media.hiof.no/streams/m3u/nrk-petre-172.ogg.m3u is the 172 kbit one.09:15
Mithrandir(they have mp3 and wma too, but I guess ogg is the easiest one)09:15
sivanghmm, my totem seems to not be able to play this.09:16
sivangI shold be able to play ogg ootb..09:17
Mithrandirworks for me by just clicking on the link in firefox.09:17
sivangand mplayer inside fireofx opens for you?09:17
Mithrandirtotem spawns externally09:18
Mithrandirit's totem-gstreamer, too09:18
sivanganything to configure to make this work? any required libs to install to not get "totem could not play...."09:18
sivangah09:18
Mithrandirxmms should be able to play it too, I think09:19
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sivangMithrandir: I will try if t-gs doesn't work. were you able to do anything with the p5 machine ?09:19
MithrandirI didn't have time to test on friday, but I'll do so tomorrow.09:20
sivangMithrandir: ah sure, can you set up anybody with remote access to this machine btw? (if we can get an HMC On it that would be best)09:21
MithrandirI don't have anything I can hook up to the HMC, but I can just connect it to the box I'm irc-ing off using a serial cable, sure.  Or it can run ssh and be on a public network.09:23
sivangMithrandir: if you have a cat-5 cable, that is all you need to hook up between the HMC and the managed system.09:24
sivangMithrandir: you would at least have the internal communication between the HMC and your p5 server09:24
Mithrandirwell, I don't think I have a HMC, or is those always shipped with such systems?09:25
MithrandirI don't have the packaging slip here so I can't really check.09:25
sivangMithrandir: that depends. the HMC is usually offered together with the server, but it's not mandatory IIRC.09:26
MithrandirI can always check tomorrow, but I didn't see anything.09:26
Mithrandirwhat does it look like?09:26
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neutrinomassBug 41827 has been fixed in debian if anybody is interested in getting it to dapper ...09:46
UbugtuMalone bug 41827 in pida "pida seg faults" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4182709:46
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desplesdahi, i notice that the packages for ogre3d are at 1.0.6, but the latest stable release is 1.2, is there anyone currently working on packaging the new version?11:08
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DarkMageZdesplesda, ogre-tools?11:26
desplesdaogre-tools, libogre-dev, libogre5c2a11:28
desplesdathey're all built from 1.0.611:29
DarkMageZare currently reasonably in sync with debian, any critical bugs?11:31
desplesdano, no bugs that i'm aware of11:33
desplesdaah, i should be talking to the debian packagers about updating this?11:33
DarkMageZif they update, it increases the likelyhood of ubuntu updating11:34
desplesdaok, i'll go and talk to them11:34
desplesdathanks11:34
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phanatichi people11:37
DarkMageZhello11:38
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sivangMithrandir: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/eserver/v1r3s/topic/iphau/iphau410.gif&imgrefurl=http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/eserver/v1r3s/topic/iphau/partshmc.htm&h=453&w=480&sz=38&tbnid=xxBFGPTIY70WfM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=126&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHardware%2BManagement%2BConsole%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DX12:00
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Mithrandirsivang: ok, so it's a complete 1U box?  I certainly don't have such a thing12:02
\shnice little machine..but nothing against our 8U amd64 quad cpu machine with 5TB HD sata storage attached ;)..OEM made..12:05
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sivangMithrandir: sort of :) SLES9 closed IBM distro, heavily augmented with Java on Steriods, used ot control the server and it's managed partitions. provides a *very* easy UI to control and acees the guest's terminals.12:14
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\shsiretart: ping12:33
sivangMithrandir: what's a 1U box ? :)12:37
\shpizzabox...1 rack unit12:37
sivang\sh: ah k got it12:38
sladensivang: something 19inch wide and 44.5mm high12:38
sivangsladen: like muse ? :)12:38
sladensivang: that's where the name comes from12:38
sladenmuse is in a 2U case12:39
sivangah, there a twin system with it in the case? (given it's a 2 rack box)12:39
\shno12:39
\shhp/compaq dl380, dl360 or dl385 (amd64) are 2U machines,12:40
sladensivang: muse is actually a vserver on a box called Pandora12:40
\shthey have e.g. dual cpus or other things which can go hot sometimes :)12:40
\shso a 1U chassy is not an advantage12:41
sladen1U is fashionable because datacentre premium was space... now it's heat12:42
\sh1U can be used for webserver farms ... but not for other things where you need speed and storage12:43
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\shbut heat can be avoided with a fridge system ;)12:47
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herzisivang: ping01:51
sivangherzi: pong01:52
sivangherzi: I saw there is a planned debian version roll up01:52
herzisivang: gq 1.0.0-1 is available from debian01:52
herzigreat01:52
sivangherzi: cool, so I will ask a sync then01:52
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herzihttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=36472101:53
UbugtuDebian bug 364721 in gq "Subject: gq: New upstream availible" [Wishlist,Closed] 01:53
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ajmitchsivang: is there a good reason to get a new upstream in ?01:56
sivangajmitch: mainly bug fixes from the new upstream version.01:57
sivangajmitch: some of them (which herzi noted to me) are worthwhile a sync01:57
\shajmitch: if you don't enjoy your weekend...please have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/30230 new debian version sync fix the problem01:57
UbugtuMalone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Confirmed] 01:57
ajmitch\sh: why ask me?01:57
\shajmitch: you can request the sync :)01:58
ajmitchso could you01:58
\shajmitch: I can't01:58
ajmitchI'm sure the ubuntu-archive guys trust you still01:58
\shajmitch: I follow the rules :)01:58
ajmitchsigh01:58
\shajmitch: actually.,..someone has to approve it :)01:59
ajmitchright01:59
ajmitchso it's a motu-uvf job01:59
\shwrote a mail to ubuntu-motu, and diffstat and upstream changelog are in the bugreport...02:00
ajmitchassign it to motu-uvf instead02:00
\shajmitch: done02:02
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Toadstoolheya02:12
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sivangajmitch: this is one bug report, do you think it should be deferred to after dapper ? (the sync)02:23
sivangajmitch: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gq/+bug/3582502:23
UbugtuMalone bug 35825 in gq "Does not appear in the menu" [Normal,Confirmed] 02:23
Hobbseesivang: he went to bed...02:25
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neutrinomassIn case somebody is bored and wants to fix something, I have a patch that as far as I can tell fixes bug 45828  Thanks.03:19
UbugtuMalone bug 45828 in gtksee "gtksee crashes (Dapper-beta1)" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4582803:19
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neutrinomasshi tuxmaniac03:31
tuxmaniacheya neutrinomass03:31
tuxmaniacHave somehow compiled and patched kernel 2.6.16 with ck11 pathes03:32
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: It seems that DDs don't really know what to do with .desktops after all. Out of the 10-15 I've sent upstream, two responded. One rejected it and the other thanked me and will include it in the next upload :-/03:32
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Why do you need 2.6.16 ? (I've heard some things on dapper break with 2.6.16 ... )03:33
tuxmaniacneutrinomass: I want to know what breaks :D03:33
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Hehe =)03:33
tuxmaniacI will basically be missing those Ubuntu Patches which are pretty lot though ;)03:34
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: I was trying to find a list of those earlier today... I was looking into a bug report about some guys 3com card that worked with the debian kernel but didn't work with ubuntu. Is there a  list somwhere ?03:35
tuxmaniacwhich list? Hardware list supported by Ubuntu?03:36
neutrinomass(There are endless lists of small changelogs on launchpad which I didn't have the time to go through )03:36
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Of the patches.03:36
tuxmaniachmmm neutrinomass I dont understand what you are asking03:38
tuxmaniacList of kernel patches?03:39
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Scott James remnant on 2.6.16 :  2.6.16 also changes the sysfs structure, so would require udev updates; and the new upstream of that has dropped libsysfs and made various other changes. ;)03:39
tuxmaniacyes. Udev <-> kernel interaction is one issue03:39
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Yes. A single list with the patches that are in Ubuntu and are not in debian ....03:40
tuxmaniacneutrinomass: Sorry I dont know03:40
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neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Ok, thanks :)03:40
tuxmaniac:)03:40
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: hola!03:53
Bluekujapianoboy3333: hello man :)03:54
pianoboy3333me is back to reak debianization havoc03:54
Bluekujahehe03:54
Bluekujahave you tried again?03:54
pianoboy3333What's going to change? :)03:54
Bluekujai thought you tried changing something ^^03:54
Bluekujaanyway just a moment I'm finishing doing a package03:55
Bluekujathen I'll help you03:55
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tuxmaniacneutrinomass: ping04:05
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: pong04:06
tuxmaniacwait04:06
pianoboy3333for what?04:08
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: thats a small fight between me and neutrinomass abt EDA tools04:09
tuxmaniac;)04:09
pianoboy3333oh04:09
pianoboy3333goody! geek fight!04:09
tuxmaniacneutrinomass: I found around 128 people today alone who use Free EDA tools fro the electronic work04:10
tuxmaniacneutrinomass: Do you want someone right now to come and tell that to you neutrinomass04:10
tuxmaniac^^^^^^^^^^04:10
neutrinomasspfft, it's not a fight. It's a difference in opinions. Apparently tuxmaniac considers the semi-working state and tk interface of eda tools state of the art ...04:10
neutrinomassLOL @ tuxmaniac04:10
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: I'm not doubting that they are using them, do they like them though ? ;)04:11
tuxmaniacneutrinomass: I never said that!!! :O04:11
tuxmaniacanyways.. am not in a mood to fight now... Have better work ;)04:11
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Seriously now, the other day I was thinking about that and was wondering whether something similar to qt-gtk-engine for tk ...04:12
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tuxmaniac:)04:13
neutrinomass..exists....04:13
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tuxmaniachey neutrinomass , will brb04:14
neutrinomasstuxmaniac: Ok, me too04:14
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bddebianHeya gang04:20
Bluekujahello bddebian04:20
bddebianHello Bluekuja04:20
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Bluekujahow are you man?04:21
bddebiantuxmaniac: ? :-)04:21
bddebianBluekuja: Not bad thx, yourself?04:21
Bluekujabddebian: I'm really good tnx :)04:21
Bluekujapianoboy3333: repost your problem, so we can start help you04:28
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: dpkg-buildpackage fails04:29
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: you can get the directory I'm working with at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz204:31
Bluekujapianoboy3333: put here the link of pastebin04:31
Bluekujabddebian: check it too04:32
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1439104:34
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AnAntdoes it make a difference which ubuntu version I using pbuilder for ?04:39
AnAntI mean, should I build packages for dapper or the one after it ?04:39
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tuxmaniacbddebian: Heya.. Sorry was not at desk04:40
HobbseeAnAnt: dapper, until the edgy repos open...04:41
AnAntok04:42
AnAntthx04:42
pianoboy3333Hobbsee: when is that?04:42
Hobbseepianoboy3333: couple of weeks after dapper release?04:42
Hobbseei'm not sure...04:42
pianoboy3333oh04:42
AnAntHobbsee: so, when the edgy repos open, should I then start building packages for edgy, or can I continue building for dapper ?04:42
Hobbseei wouldnt bother building for dapper now...04:42
tsengwhen edgy is open, dapper has been closed for some weeks04:43
Hobbseeyou cant get anything new uploaded for dapper now04:43
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Hobbseeunless it's a rather large act of God to violate all the freezes04:43
AnAntreally ? I just uploaded mldonkey04:43
Hobbseeto revu, yes, not to repos...04:43
AnAntoh, ok04:43
AnAntbut it will be reviewed anyways, right ?04:43
tsengHobbsee: (hehe)04:43
Hobbsee:P04:44
bddebianA straight configure fails for me as follows:04:44
bddebianchecking for NOTIFY_PYTHON... configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.004:44
bddebian                                  libnotify >= 0.4.0) were not met.04:44
bddebianConsider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you04:44
bddebianinstalled software in a non-standard prefix.04:44
pianoboy3333bddebian: http://www.galago-project.org/downloads.php04:44
AnAntHobbsee: btw, if there is software version in REVU that is more up-to-date than debian's repos, which one would Ubuntu take ?04:44
Bluekujabdddebian: i had that problem too04:44
Bluekujabdddebian: also installing libnotify04:45
Hobbseeer....04:45
Hobbseedebians, at first04:45
tsengthe REVU uploaded should sync his changes to the latest debian rev04:45
tsengif not done already04:45
AnAnttseng: I don't understand04:45
tsengok..04:46
Hobbseeah...is that it...yes...04:46
tsengif Debian has changes that arent in ubuntu in revision 204:46
tsengubuntu has revision 104:46
tsengand you base your package on it and create a new upstream04:46
tsengyou should include changes from debian rev 204:46
tsengin your upload to revu04:47
bddebianBluekuja: We do have libnotify1 I noticed :)04:47
AnAnttseng: I still don't understand, I will give an example, in debain there is mldonkey-2.7.3, and I uploaded a mldonkey-2.7.6 to REVU04:48
AnAnttseng: so what will happen now ?04:48
bddebianAnAnt: This late in the game probably nothing04:48
tsengthis is going to be the last time I say something04:48
AnAntbddebian: huh ?04:48
tsengubuntu has 2.7.1-2ubuntu204:49
tsengdebian has 2.7.3-1 lets say04:49
AnAntok04:49
tsengyour 2.7.6 should include changes made between ubuntu 2ubuntu2 and debian 3.-104:49
UbugtuUbuntu bug 2 in glibc "GNU Free Documentation License is non-free" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=204:49
tsengdoes this make sense?04:49
AnAnti see04:49
Hobbseethat didnt make much sense to me :P04:50
Bluekujabdddebian: you managed to solve deps?04:50
Hobbseeoh, yeah04:50
AnAntor else it won't be taken, right ?04:50
AnAntnot even looked at04:50
tsengwell, a good motu would send you back to make another try04:50
tsengwe dont do "not even looked at"04:50
tsengwe tell you what is wrong and send you back to fix it04:50
AnAntic, cool04:51
AnAntbtw, does anyone have hibernate problems with Dapper ?04:52
tuxmaniacwhat? ^^^04:52
tuxmaniacNo absolutely not AnAnt04:52
AnAntwell, I am having hibernate problems lately04:53
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AnAntI thought it maybe some bug from the updates, I update daily04:53
pianoboy3333Sorry, internet collapsed04:53
tuxmaniacI just loaded the 2.6.15-23 kernel..04:53
tuxmaniacpianoboy3333: happens :) Murphy's law04:53
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bddebianBluekuja: Nope :-(04:54
Bluekujabddebian: same problem for me04:54
Bluekujabddebian: i can't find the right package for that dep04:55
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Hobbseehibernating is kinda pointless with bug 45759 on my system...04:55
UbugtuMalone bug 45759 in acpi-support "Resuming from suspend to disk, I get logged out!" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4575904:55
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: wait... I'm thinking... how did you install libnotify version 0.4?04:56
Bluekujapianoboy3333: I havent libnotify at all04:57
pianoboy3333O_o04:57
pianoboy3333That's no good04:57
Bluekujabddebian: what about you?04:58
bddebianAh libnotify1 is only 0.3 in Dapper04:58
Bluekujaexactly04:58
Bluekujai'm on debian now04:58
AnAntqui04:58
Bluekujaand my laptop is running breezy04:58
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: hmmm let me try something04:58
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Bluekujapianoboy3333: i never get that problem05:02
Bluekujapianoboy3333: i just finished a new package without problems05:02
pianoboy3333really?05:03
pianoboy3333it worked for you?05:03
Bluekujapianoboy3333: nono, not that one :)05:03
pianoboy3333oh :(05:03
Bluekujapianoboy3333: i'm trying to get that dep solved05:03
Bluekujabddebian: are you still getting problems with libnotify?05:04
bddebianBluekuja: Sorry I gave up.  I am looking at some bugs.05:04
pianoboy3333Hmmmmm.... Bluekuja I'm going to make a debian out of the new libnotify-0.4.0, this I _can_ do05:05
Bluekujabddebian: np05:05
Bluekujapianoboy3333: thanks05:05
Bluekujapianoboy3333: you need to follow library guide for it05:05
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Bluekujapianoboy3333: i go afk for 20 min05:07
Bluekujapianoboy3333: when you've done ping me05:07
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: I have to run out for 15 minutes, unzip and install the debs.... take a look at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/libnotifydebs-0.4.0.tar.bz205:13
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Bluekujapianoboy3333: same deps errors as before05:36
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jikanterhow do you load yelp's symbol table when debigging in gdb?05:57
jikanter*debugging05:57
jikanter%users06:02
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: back06:05
pianoboy3333Bluekuja: what deperrors?06:05
Bluekujapianoboy3333: same as before06:05
pianoboy3333What _were_ they?06:05
Bluekujapianoboy3333: same as source install of course06:06
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pianoboy3333I understand but what where they?06:06
Bluekujai need to install a lot of libs thats the problem06:07
Bluekujaand one of them06:07
Bluekujais libnotify106:07
pianoboy3333ok.... what ever06:07
Bluekujayou made libnotify package06:07
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: that is called an internet s**t06:39
pianoboy3333When the internet craps out for that long, it's no longer crapping out06:39
Bluekujalol06:39
pianoboy3333It's s**tting out06:39
BluekujaI'm lucky on that side06:39
Bluekujai dont have problems with internet connection06:40
pianoboy3333heh06:40
pianoboy3333It has to be something obvious that I'm missing, something to do with libnotify I think...06:40
Bluekujathat package was  libnotify but in the deps there was libnotify too06:41
Bluekujait can't be possible06:41
pianoboy3333this is becuase...06:42
pianoboy3333It's getting installed to /usr/local instead of /usr where libnotify1 from the official repos is06:42
pianoboy3333What's harder about making a library deb?06:43
Bluekujayou have to follow  this guide06:45
Bluekujahttp://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html06:45
pianoboy3333ok06:45
pianoboy3333let me see if I have more luck with that06:46
Bluekujaoki06:47
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trappistcrimsun: that upload did fix eterm, thanks again06:51
buggsa/part06:52
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pianoboy3333Bluekuja: too complicated for the short time I have right now, maybe later06:52
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Bluekujapianoboy3333: oki06:53
pianoboy3333So, how come notify-python won't build, there's a dependency missing?06:53
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Bluekujapianoboy3333: yes06:57
pianoboy3333I think I know06:58
pianoboy3333package python-dev06:58
pianoboy3333damnit... nope07:00
pianoboy3333brb07:01
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pianoboy3333Is there any documentation on python2.4-apt? the apt python module?07:13
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pianoboy3333I still can't figure out what I'm missing...07:35
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pianoboy3333Has anyone here ever packaged a python module before?07:53
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sladenpianoboy3333: no.  best place to start would be to find another one and apt-get the source07:56
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yoschhi guys08:07
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yoschquick question: when a LP bug is not reproducible anymore: we only have "fix committed/fix released" as statuses08:09
yoschis it OK to change to these statuses even if we're not sure where the bug has been fixed?08:09
sladenyosch: fix released if you know something like fixed it08:09
sladenyosch: rejected if you think it disappeared08:10
yoschsladen: thanks, wasn't too sure about the meaning of rejected, in this case I think it's rejected, thanks08:10
sladenyosch: at least those are the rules I play by, other people may have a different variation08:12
pianoboy3333sladen: ever single one I've debianized is fine, except for pynoitfy O.o08:13
yoschsladen: OK, any pointers to bugs docs for LP?08:13
sladenyosch: can you ask that in a different way, I'm unclear what you're after08:14
yoschsladen: sorry, is there some official documentation for malone which I can look up to get more details on the way I need to handle bugs?08:16
sladenyosch: unfortunately, I think that maybe lacking.  Search for  'triage'08:17
yoschsladen: got it08:19
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ferronicacan any one tell me what is universe or multiverse08:45
yoschahh, found some docs: posting here since it may be useful for others https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadBugTriage08:45
ferronicawat they do08:45
yoschferronica: all the details are here: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components08:46
ferronicayosch: how to edit source list???08:54
jpatrickferronica: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list08:55
ferronicayosch: how could i know what to add how to addd08:55
jpatrickthere's already there08:55
jpatrickyou just have to uncomment it08:56
ferronicajpatrick: no text found08:57
jpatrick...08:57
ferronicajpatrick: in my source.lsit08:57
ferronicajpatrick: its blank08:57
ferronicajpatrick: :(08:57
tuxmaniacferronica: tell me exactly what you did08:58
ferronicatuxmaniac: just pasted this command-->09:00
ferronica gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list09:00
tuxmaniacok.. do this.. cd /etc/apt/09:00
ferronicatuxmaniac: in Terminal09:00
tuxmaniacferronica: do ls and see whether sources.list is there?09:01
ferronicatuxmaniac: ok i pasted that09:01
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tuxmaniacwhat did you paste?09:02
ferronicacd /etc/apt/09:02
tuxmaniacand do ls09:02
tuxmaniac'ls'09:02
ferronicatuxmaniac: nothing opened09:02
tuxmaniactype          ls09:03
ferronicatuxmaniac: apt.conf.d   sources.list   sources.list_backup  trustdb.gpg  trusted.gpg~09:03
ferronicasecring.gpg  sources.list~  sources.list.save    trusted.gpg09:03
tuxmaniacaah ok09:03
tuxmaniacvi sources.list09:03
ferronicatuxmaniac: this is the output09:03
tuxmaniactype vi souces.list09:03
tuxmaniactype 'vi sources.list'09:03
ferronicatuxmaniac: now09:04
ferronicatuxmaniac: a blank terminal09:04
tuxmaniacvi sources.list_backup09:04
ferronicatuxmaniac: will u give me a command directly to open source.list09:06
tuxmaniacvi sources.list does that09:06
ferronicatuxmaniac: but it opened it in terminal not in text window09:07
tuxmaniacyeah.. its vi.09:07
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ferronicatuxmaniac: from where u got all knowledge abot these command09:08
ferronicatuxmaniac: how to open source.list how to modify, what to add how to add all these09:08
tuxmaniachang around the IRCs :)09:08
ferronicatuxmaniac: Me toooo wanna know it please09:08
tuxmaniacjoin #ubuntu09:09
ferronicatuxmaniac: then where i am now???????///09:09
ferronicatuxmaniac: i think in ubuntu5.1009:09
tuxmaniacyou are in ubuntu-motu09:09
ferronicatuxmaniac: what that mean motu???09:09
jpatrickMaster of the Universe09:10
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tuxmaniacferronica: and Universe is the name of the repos09:10
ferronicatuxmaniac: ok, how to change  channel, any shortcut09:10
tuxmaniac[/join #ubuntu] 09:10
jpatrickwithout the [] 09:11
ferronicatuxmaniac: okay09:11
tuxmaniacferronica: Copy and paste the contents of http://pastebin.com/73002709:11
tuxmaniacinto you sources.list09:11
ferronicatuxmaniac: what is this???09:11
tuxmaniaccopy it from the text box below in the page otherwise you will get line numbers and all09:12
tuxmaniacferronica: it is the contents of sources.list that should be there09:12
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ferronicatuxmaniac: but i am using breezy badger5.10 not dapper09:12
tuxmaniacaaaaaahhhhhh!! Sorry09:13
tuxmaniac:)09:13
tuxmaniacchange all dapper to breezy09:13
ferronicatuxmaniac: and dapper is beta not full version09:13
ferronicatuxmaniac: it will release in mid june09:13
tuxmaniachmmm.09:13
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tuxmaniacferronica: Replace all the words dapper09:14
tuxmaniacferronica: with breezy09:15
tuxmaniacferronica: Am sorry.. I cant stay any longer09:15
tuxmaniacferronica: Its 1 AM here09:15
tuxmaniacferronica: See you09:15
ferronicatuxmaniac: and here 12:45 AM09:15
tuxmaniacyou are from India?09:15
ferronicatuxmaniac: same time little bit difference09:15
ferronicatuxmaniac: Nepal09:16
tuxmaniacoh ok. Anyways. ferronica Have to go bye09:16
ferronicatuxmaniac: Bye09:16
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crimsuntrappist: np10:47
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pianoboy3333Whazzzup?10:48
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phanaticevening11:51
lzapnite11:51
crimsun'evening11:51
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phanaticcrimsun: if you have a little time, could you please have a look at bug 32485?11:52
UbugtuMalone bug 32485 in sysinfo "sysinfo locks on startup" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3248511:52
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