[12:02] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: oki
[12:04] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: hold on, what's <packagename>-default.ex for in debian/* ?
[12:05] <Bluekuja> its the initscrip
[12:06] <Bluekuja> t
[12:06] <Bluekuja> are you packaging a daemon?
[12:09] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: no
[12:09] <pianoboy3333> if not I don't need it?
[12:09] <Bluekuja> pianobay3333: in fact you need it to add options to the daemon
[12:10] <Bluekuja> pianobay3333: a initscript
[12:10] <Bluekuja> if you dont need files like it or emacs one
[12:10] <Bluekuja> or watch.ex etc, just delete them
[12:11] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: what about postinst.ex postrm.ex preinst.ex prerm.ex ?
[12:11] <Bluekuja> they are maintainer scripts
[12:12] <Bluekuja> for dpkg
[12:12] <pianoboy3333> So keep those
[12:12] <Bluekuja> in fact they're scripts for upgrade, install, etc
[12:12] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: what command should I build with?
[12:13] <pianoboy3333> debuild?
[12:13] <Bluekuja> yep, or dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[12:13] <Bluekuja> remember to add your key to the file
[12:13] <Bluekuja> but anyway debuild will ask you for it
[12:13] <pianoboy3333> right
[12:14] <Bluekuja> just manage to create a working key, and write down the pwd when its requested
[12:15] <Bluekuja> remember to check the package with both linda and lintian
[12:16] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: can you tell me how to do that?
[12:17] <Bluekuja> what? key?
[12:17] <pianoboy3333> no
[12:17] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: linda and lintian, just run it in the top source directory?
[12:17] <Bluekuja> no
[12:17] <Bluekuja> you have to run them on the package
[12:17] <Bluekuja> like
[12:18] <Bluekuja> lintian packagename.deb
[12:18] <pianoboy3333> after it's built though
[12:18] <pianoboy3333> oh
[12:18] <Bluekuja> lintian packagename.changes
[12:18] <Bluekuja> etc
[12:18] <Bluekuja> anyway if you need to upload it to revu, you have to include sources in it
[12:18] <Bluekuja> with -S -sa options
[12:18] <jmanblue> what exactly does a MOTU do??
[12:19] <jmanblue> it sounds cool...
[12:19] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: here's what happened: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14357
[12:19] <pianoboy3333> jmanblue: it's for maintainers and packaging and such
[12:19] <Bluekuja> jmanblue: create packages, review them, upload them in universe etc
[12:19] <Bluekuja> for the community
[12:19] <pianoboy3333> Ubotu isn't in here?
[12:19] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: let me take a look
[12:20] <pianoboy3333> This isn't just when trying to build this package, I've tried others too
[12:20] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: the package is a python module
[12:21] <Bluekuja> if you install it
[12:21] <Bluekuja> normally
[12:21] <Bluekuja> do you get that error too right?
[12:21] <pianoboy3333> No
[12:21] <jmanblue> cool, i've always wondered how to create packages...
[12:22] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: I was able to install and build it with checkinstall fine
[12:22] <pianoboy3333> that's the weird part
[12:22] <Bluekuja> tell me what you did
[12:23] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: you can get the directory I'm working with at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.bz2
[12:23] <pianoboy3333> no, wait
[12:25] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: it's at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz2
[12:32] <pianoboy3333> agggg
[12:33] <pianoboy3333> I'll never figure out what's wrong...
[12:33] <pianoboy3333> damnit
[12:34] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: just a moment, I'm checking
[12:34] <pianoboy3333> oh, I thought you were away, sorry ;)
[12:34] <pianoboy3333> you are marked as away actually
[12:34] <Bluekuja> oh yes, i forget it
[12:35] <Bluekuja> no more away ^^
[12:35] <Bluekuja> installing deps
[12:35] <pianoboy3333> ok
[12:36] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: you'll need to compile them unfortunately, it depends on libnotify4
[12:36] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: http://www.galago-project.org/downloads.php
[12:36] <Bluekuja> yep, i've just noticed it
[12:36] <Bluekuja> okie let me compile
[12:37] <Bluekuja> i'll have to package that lib
[12:37] <Bluekuja> ^^
[12:37] <pianoboy3333> Yea, once I get past compiling a simple program, I'll move on to libs...
[12:38] <Bluekuja> yeah, it harder creating libs
[12:38] <Bluekuja> *its
[12:38] <Bluekuja> anyway you'll need to read the debian guide
[12:38] <Bluekuja> and make some practice
[12:42] <Bluekuja> more deps for that file
[12:42] <Bluekuja> lets install them ^^
[12:42] <pianoboy3333> Like?
[12:42] <Bluekuja>  Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.2.2 glib-2.0 >= 2.2.2, dbus-1 >= 0.36, dbus-glib-1 >= 0.36) were not met.
[12:43] <Bluekuja> i have glib and dbus installed
[12:44] <pianoboy3333> are you able to sucessfully build the package?
[12:44] <Bluekuja> aww dbus version 0.36
[12:45] <Bluekuja> i have 0.23
[12:46] <pianoboy3333> 0.23? I have 0.60 are you using breezy?
[12:47] <Bluekuja> I'm on Debian now
[12:47] <pianoboy3333> oh
[12:48] <Bluekuja> lets move to the laptop
[12:50] <Bluekuja> give me a minute
[12:50] <Bluekuja> i open it
[01:14] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: whazup?
[01:14] <Bluekuja_laptop> pianoboy3333: still there?
[01:14] <pianoboy3333> yep
[01:15] <Bluekuja_laptop> can you send me
[01:15] <Bluekuja_laptop> the link again?
[01:15] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja_laptop: http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz2
[01:16] <Bluekuja_laptop> also lib
[01:16] <pianoboy3333> http://www.galago-project.org/downloads.php
[01:33] <Bluekuja_laptop> pianoboy3333: I'm having a problem with sudoers file that has got chmod 777
[01:34] <Bluekuja_laptop> so i cannot run synaptic, or other applications that requires root
[01:34] <pianoboy3333> hmmm?
[01:34] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja_laptop: why?
[01:34] <Bluekuja_laptop> coz yesterday i was setting up some permissions on /etc
[01:34] <pianoboy3333> so....
[01:35] <pianoboy3333> login as root
[01:35] <pianoboy3333> and fix it I guess
[01:35] <Bluekuja_laptop> of course, but its disabled
[01:35] <pianoboy3333> very niced
[01:35] <Bluekuja_laptop> yeah, the only time that i forget to change root pwd
[01:36] <pianoboy3333> what do you need to do? fakeroot may help
[01:37] <Bluekuja_laptop> synaptic can't be launched with fakeroot...
[01:37] <pianoboy3333> 'twould be a problem
[01:38] <Bluekuja_laptop> i'm without root and sudo
[01:38] <Bluekuja_laptop> what can i do?
[01:38] <Bluekuja_laptop> format :D
[01:39] <plugwash> what bootloader are you using?
[01:40] <Bluekuja_laptop> grub
[01:40] <plugwash> mmm unfortunately i have no experiance with grub
[01:40] <Bluekuja_laptop> aww
[01:40] <Bluekuja_laptop> well its the first time that i get thi problem
[01:40] <plugwash> what you need to do is pass init=/bin/bash on the kernel command line
[01:41] <plugwash> not sure how you'd do that with grub though
[01:41] <plugwash> when you do that the kernel should boot and drop straight into a rootshell
[01:42] <Bluekuja_laptop> oh
[01:42] <Bluekuja_laptop> let me check it with grub
[01:42] <pianoboy3333> There is the safty mode, or whatever it's called that boots into a root shell
[01:43] <Bluekuja_laptop> ah yeah right
[01:43] <Bluekuja_laptop> brb
[01:43] <plugwash> yeah that might work too if theres no root password set at all
[01:44] <plugwash> rather than a forgotten root password
[01:45] <pianoboy3333> plugwash: isn't it bad to have a root password?
[01:46] <Bluekuja> plugwas: thanks to make me remember about safety mode
[01:46] <Bluekuja> ^^
[01:47] <pianoboy3333> I had that idea though :-(
[01:47] <plugwash> well ubuntu has this strange idea of using sudo all the time, i'm not sure i see the point myself
[01:48] <plugwash> using a seperate root password and su rather than sudo at least means that they need to steal two passwords
[01:48] <pianoboy3333> plugwash: I don't know, what's wrong with sudo? it uses the user password instead of one root password that can corrupt the sys
[01:48] <pianoboy3333> plugwash: that's the idea, you disable the root password
[01:49] <plugwash> sudo still gets you root
[01:49] <plugwash> you can do just as much damage with sudo as with a direct root login
[01:49] <pianoboy3333> ok, w/e
[01:49] <crimsun> plugwash: the lesson here is "best practices" for people migrating, and thus new to Linux
[01:50] <plugwash> crimsun i just don't belive that what people are pushing as best practice really is
[01:50] <crimsun> plugwash: it never was the intention to /prevent/ someone from using su. It's presumed that if one is competent enough to understand the tradeoffs between su and sudo, then sudo -{i,s} are as easily accessible as su [-] 
[01:51] <pianoboy3333> plugwash: I think I'd obviously have a different opinion if I used another distro other than ubuntu
[01:51] <crimsun> plugwash: as polemic as theo et al. can be, they have a good point pushing the use of sudo.
[01:52] <crimsun> Personally that is a smart move for Ubuntu.
[01:52] <plugwash> crimsun so what do you think is so good about sudo? other than the fact it lets an attacker into root with one password rather than two (which is something of a disadvantage)
[01:53] <crimsun> plugwash: an audit trail if used properly.
[01:54] <plugwash> once someones root thats easilly tampered with, i guess it could help deal with admin incompetance though
[01:54] <plugwash> (on a multi admin box)
[01:55] <crimsun> well obviously once root privileges have been gained, there's nothing one can do short of physically yanking the box.
[01:56] <plugwash> also iirc sudo only asks for your password once for several commands
[01:56] <crimsun> you can shorten the timeout
[01:56] <plugwash> so all malware running under your user account has to do is wait for you to use sudo and then use it itself
[01:57] <crimsun> that's no different from su
[01:57] <crimsun> however, at least it will be logged
[01:57] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333:  I've to go now, i'm really tired, whole day working on some packages ,tomorrow come here, I'll give you news about your package
[01:58] <Bluekuja> cya plugwash, cya crimsum
[01:58] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: kk
[01:59] <crimsun> bye Bluekuja
[01:59] <plugwash> note: i'm not saying i like su much better but at least it asks for the password every time and uses a different password from your main login
[01:59] <Bluekuja> cya guys
[02:00] <bluefoxicy> Hey, is anyone interested in games?  :)
[02:01] <bluefoxicy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Games  I spent about an hour triaging those 8, just to clean things up.
[02:03] <plugwash> i tend to belive that most desktop users have security backwards. The aim should be to restrict apps in dangerous positions (web browsers irc clients etc) not to let all the users apps shit on each other while requiring special (and malware vulnerable) systems to raise the permissions for things involving hardware
[02:04] <tseng> thats why ubuntu goes out of its way to not run hal as root
[02:08] <bluefoxicy> plugwash:  you sound like you don't like NOrton AV or Windows Defender, with them allowing normal users to disinfect critical system files.........
[02:11] <trappist> if somebody could do a quick rebuild/upload of eterm, per bug #45815 a long-standing problem would go away and I sure would be happy.  any takers?
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45815 in eterm "Eterm needs a rebuild against updated libast" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45815
[02:11] <plugwash> bluefoxicy well windows is even worse, it pretty well forces you to run as admin and then makes it very hard to downgrade privilages for individual apps
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> XD
[02:12] <plugwash> tbh i rarely run exposed user apps (web browsers etc) on linux anyway so i just run as root all the time
[02:13] <plugwash> but if i wanted more security running as a low privilage user would not be the way i'd go about doing it
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> we all run as root all the time
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> just with training wheels (sudo)
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> you don't actually think that thing would actually stop a compromised account from gaining root access do you?
[02:14] <plugwash> no i don't but i think too many people are under the false impression that it will
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> I should write a proof of concept that infects an ubuntu user's account and runs rm -f /boot/* when he next sudos
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> that would leave the system unbootable, but easily fixable (livecd, re-install your kernel)
[02:15] <plugwash> agreed, if possible make it work with su as well
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> anyone who actually runs it is asking for it.
[02:16] <bluefoxicy> but i'm far too lazy
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> plugwash:  right now I'm more interested in Nexuiz, OpenQuartz, and CrystalCore being packaged and promoted to main so we can say we got games.
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> Ubuntu LAN Party LiveCD?  :)
[02:20] <plugwash> i'm a debian user really, i only started hanging out here trying to get freepascal into universe (without success)
[02:20] <plugwash> it seems there are only a few people who can perform a non autobuilt upload and they are always distracted by other stuff
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> are those three things in debian proper somewhere?
[02:20] <bluefoxicy> N isn't....
[02:23] <trappist> who should I appeal to?  my favorite console is unusable on my desktop, and I'm a console guy, it'd just be a quick build/upload of eterm
[02:24] <Amaranth> trappist: Not going to happen for dapper.
[02:24] <trappist> Amaranth: you're kidding.
[02:24] <Amaranth> I'm not
[02:24] <trappist> Amaranth: it doesn't even need patched.  libast was patched and was supposed to trigger an eterm upload but didn't
[02:25] <Amaranth> it's too close to release time, you'd have to find someone who isn't busy squashing bugs
[02:25] <crimsun> err, I'm pretty sure I triggered that, did I not?...
[02:25] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  that... is a bug?
[02:25] <trappist> crimsun: yes, but that patch didn't do the trick - a subsequent patch does
[02:25] <crimsun> argh, so another lock-step dance?
[02:25] <crimsun> if so, you know the drill.
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> it's universe isn't it
[02:26] <Amaranth> bluefoxicy: Oh, I thought it was a totally new package.
[02:26] <trappist> crimsun: I had tested the previous patch, but stupidly, with both patches applied.  it's the second one that actually worked.
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> Amaranth:  nah, he's complaining eterm won't work.
[02:26] <Amaranth> Ok, that's a different story.
[02:27] <crimsun> trappist: reopen the bug (subscribe me if I'm not already) and clarify with url(s) to relevant patches, please
[02:27] <trappist> crimsun: I opened a new eterm bug for it - you want me to reopen the libast bug?
[02:27] <crimsun> trappist: if a patch will touch it, absolutely.
[02:28] <crimsun> if libast is already fixed and done with, then no.
[02:29] <trappist> libast is fixed and done with - eterm just needs a rebuild/upload
[02:29] <trappist> eterm is bug #45815
[02:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45815 in eterm "Eterm needs a rebuild against updated libast" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45815
[02:30] <crimsun> I triggered that upload /after/ libast had built and was synced
[02:30] <crimsun> so if the bug is still there, then the libast patch is insufficient
[02:31] <trappist> crimsun: let me check my timeline, but I'm 90% sure there was a subsequent (correct) patch that did not trigger an eterm upload
[02:32] <trappist> yes, the Eterm changelog is 1 week older than the libast2 changelog
[02:32] <crimsun> so essentially I /didn't/ trigger the upload?
[02:32] <crimsun> (which is what I was asking)
[02:33] <trappist> you did, that patch didn't do the trick, there was another patch and another libast upload, and *that* upload didn't trigger an eterm upload.
[02:33] <crimsun> that's because we have to trigger them by hand
[02:33] <trappist> I see
[02:34] <trappist> that's what I figured when there wasn't a new eterm for the new libast, so a new upload is what I was asking for
[02:35] <crimsun> ok, so post-Barry's patch last week
[02:35] <crimsun> gotcha.
[02:35] <trappist> exactly
[02:35] <crimsun> I'll chuck it.
[02:35] <trappist> err
[02:35] <trappist> I'm referring TO barry's patch - that's the good one that eterm needs a build against
[02:35] <crimsun> chuck->trigger
[02:35] <trappist> oh ok :)
[02:36] <trappist> I got confused on the timeline and briefly thought you were barry
[02:37] <crimsun> Uploading via ftp eterm_0.9.2-8.3build2_source.changes: done.
[02:37] <crimsun> Successfully uploaded packages.
[02:37] <trappist> awesome, thanks
[02:37] <crimsun> np
[04:01] <Frem> Hello. Whenever I connect to a wifi network using this atheros card, I get a "BUG" message and what looks like a kernel panic.
[04:02] <Frem> The error message says "[4295144.337000]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!"
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:05] <bddebian> Frem: Can you please file a bug on launchpad.net with as much detail as possible?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian :)
[04:06] <Frem> bddabian: aside from what I just said, the model of the card, and the kernel, what else do you want?
[04:08] <imbrandon> heya bddebian and Hobbsee
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:09] <bddebian> Frem: If you feel adventerous, you can try some of this:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[04:09] <crimsun> congrats Tonio_, Hobbsee, et al.
[04:09] <Tonio_> crimsun: :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: congratulations to you as well :)
[04:09] <bddebian> Oh?  Did I miss something AGAIN?
[04:10] <Tonio_> same for you Hobbsee :)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> bddebian: yeah, kubuntu council got created
[04:10] <Tonio_> bddebian: for the kubuntu cc
[04:10] <bddebian> Oh, awesome, congrats you two
[04:10] <Tonio_> bddebian: thanks :)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:11] <imbrandon> nice
[04:11] <Frem> bddebian, not that adventerous. :-/
[04:12] <imbrandon> kubuntu council ? bddebian feel like a quick upload ? http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/temp      its a gnucash patch
[04:12] <bddebian> Frem: No problem :-)  Please file what you can.
[04:12] <imbrandon> from malone
[04:13] <bddebian> imbrandon: Nah, I don't do any uploads. ;-P
[04:13] <imbrandon> hehehe
[04:13] <bddebian> :-)
[04:14] <crimsun> man, that crazy bddebian with his upload sprees.
[04:14] <imbrandon> someone got a link on the info for becoming a kubuntu member ( not motu *yet* ) heheh
[04:14] <Hobbsee> er...i'm not sure if one exists
[04:14] <Hobbsee> oh yes, sure it does
[04:14] <imbrandon> ?!? heh
[04:14] <bddebian> crimsun: Sorry man :-(
[04:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[04:15] <Hobbsee> add yourself to that list - follow the ubuntu new membership guide...
[04:15] <imbrandon> umm list?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> er, well, create that list
[04:15] <imbrandon> heh ok
[04:16] <Hobbsee> but breakfast first!
[04:16] <imbrandon> yea go get food ;)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[04:17] <bddebian> imbrandon: Can I ask one favor?
[04:17] <imbrandon> k Hobbsee thanks
[04:17] <Hobbsee> same thing, except for Add yourself to the Community Council Agenda and link to the wiki page - in our case, it's the kubuntu meeting page
[04:17] <imbrandon> ok
[04:17] <Hobbsee> i think that's the case, anyway
[04:18] <imbrandon> bddebian: sure
[04:18] <bddebian> imbrandon: Please use .diff or .patch for your files not .dsc.  It's very confusing at times :-)
[04:19] <imbrandon> ahhh ok np , yea i use .diff here but change it to .dsc when i put it in the web sir, but i'll stop
[04:19] <crimsun> in fact, if you're generating debdiffs, it's good practice to suffix them .debdiff
[04:19] <crimsun> that way there's no doubt :-)
[04:20] <imbrandon> kk yea they are debdiff's
[04:20] <imbrandon> s/sir/dir
[04:20] <bddebian> imbrandon: OK, gnucash uploading
[04:21] <imbrandon> cool i'll remove it from my temp dir, that should close that malone bug too, i dunno how to close it on launchpad.net
[04:22] <crimsun> click the source package link, and change the Status to "Fix Released"
[04:22] <imbrandon> k
[04:27] <bddebian> Why the hell would scanpci binary be included in gatos?
[04:27] <imbrandon> heh
[04:39] <Frem> bddebian, I've submitted the bug. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/45822
[04:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45822 in Ubuntu "Atheos - BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!!" [Normal,Unconfirmed] 
[04:40] <Toadstool> hey
[04:41] <bddebian> Frem: Great, thanks
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:44] <Toadstool> hey bddebian
[04:46] <Toadstool> g'night all
[05:14] <imbrandon> ok updated my wiki and added myself to the page Hobbsee ( and changed a few minor things for ya like the link to kibuntu-members on launchpad.net was typo'd )  ;)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hehe thanks imbrandon
[05:14] <Hobbsee> i thought i fixed that
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hope you didnt add yourself ot ubuntu members as well...
[05:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  nope
[05:14] <imbrandon> just kubuntu
[05:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i'd better be...
[05:14] <Hobbsee> good :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i cant exactly cheer for you...
[05:15] <bddebian> imbrandon: What meeting?
[05:15] <imbrandon> i changed the
[05:15] <imbrandon> timezone thiong at the top to to work like the ubuntu agenda one
[05:15] <imbrandon> also
[05:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i warn you now, i doubt we know what we're doing...so it might all be in a bit of a mess...
[05:15] <imbrandon> bddebian: the next kubuntu-meeting
[05:16] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: np ;) i'm down for ground floor messes ;)
[05:16] <imbrandon> bddebian: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[05:16] <bddebian> imbrandon: I doubt that I have any sway with kubuntu :-)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: small point - ubotu does the pointing, not ubugtu...
[05:16] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:17] <Hobbsee> bddebian: if you've seen his work, it counts
[05:17] <imbrandon> whoops ;)
[05:17] <LaserJock> does kubuntu have a council yet? I thought that was being formed in Paris
[05:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, it does, it was announced yesterday
[05:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what list?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2006-May/001217.html
[05:18] <Hobbsee> i suspect it got posted to other lists as well - or more people are subscribed to that one than i thought
[05:18] <imbrandon> whoa havent seen a netsplit in ahwile
[05:19] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: who is achim
[05:22] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: allee
[05:22] <LaserJock> oh ok
[05:28] <Quash> Anyone know which team oversees ShipIt?
[05:29] <Quash> anyone here?
[05:30] <bddebian> Quash: Oversees in what regard?
[05:30] <Quash> Who makes decisions re: ShipIt
[05:31] <bddebian> What is ShipIt?
[05:32] <Quash> When you get Ubuntu CDs shipped to you free of charge.
[05:32] <bddebian> Oh, Hmm.  Sorry I don't know
[05:32] <bddebian> Have you tried the wiki pages?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> isnt that listed on teh shipit page?
[05:33] <Quash> couldn't find a contact email on the shipit page.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/faq#head-7eef2db63e0a75424cdd663ee6f7b8eedcf19607
[05:34] <slackern> info@shipit.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <slackern> oh sorry see Hobbsee already put up the link.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hehe it's okay
[05:36] <slackern> I put in an order for 10, that will suffice nicely for my friends and me.
[05:37] <slackern> talked to some guy who put in an order for 500 just for the kicks of it, darn i got so mad, such a waste.
[05:37] <Quash> thanks!
[05:38] <Quash> Yeah, ordering 500 for "kicks" is the act or an idiot...or an M$ employee.
[05:38] <Quash> I think the ShipIt program is missing one tiny thing...
[05:39] <slackern> to top it off he said he was just going to throw them away, i said he should atleast try to put them out somewhere where other people could atleast take and try one, like at a shoppingmall or whatever.
[05:39] <chillywilly> lalala
[05:39] <slackern> ohlala
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hi chillywilly
[05:39] <chillywilly> hi
[05:39] <Quash> ... a small collapsable (sp?) display case made of the same material as the CD case that would hold, lets say, 20 cds.  Small enough to ship in the same size packaging and to sit in a computer store by the cash register.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> slackern: notified cannonical of this?  they coul dprobably just not send that many...
[05:40] <imbrandon> Quash: exactly
[05:40] <chillywilly> bddebian: wherefore art thou bddebian
[05:41] <slackern> Hobbsee: No i haven't let them know, i saw you could make special orders for more cd's if you needed i was guessing he did something like that.
[05:41] <Hobbsee> slackern: you might want to
[05:41] <Quash> Then, you build a community-based campaign.  Ubuntu users go to their local independent computer shops and see if the stores would agree to take 20 free CDs and use the display case.
[05:42] <slackern> Hobbsee: aye you are right, but i only have his forumname im afraid.
[05:42] <Quash> So, Ubuntu users become distributors... helping to introduce mainstream, non-Linux users to Ubuntu.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> slackern: that'd do...
[05:42] <slackern> Quash: thats a good idea
[05:42] <imbrandon> Quash: I stick one in with every order i ship from ebay thats a computer part ( hard drives , nic cards etc )
[05:42] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[05:42] <Hobbsee> besides, it's pretty easy to figure out who it was...most people dont order 500...
[05:42] <chillywilly> bddebian: hey
[05:42] <imbrandon> slackern: they could lookup his ip and the order ips easy
[05:43] <imbrandon> with the forum name
[05:43] <slackern> imbrandon: ahh good, i will locate the thread and mail to info@shipit.ubuntu.com i guess.
[05:43] <Quash> My local computer shop had a tonne of Ubuntu CDs, but they just sat in a messy stack, off on an out of the way counter.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> usually testing cds, to test them out
[05:44] <imbrandon> yea or a daily build ;)
[05:44] <imbrandon> Quash: thats too bad
[05:44] <chillywilly> I'm tired...
[05:44] <imbrandon> Quash: yea i figure if they are ordering a computer part from me on ebay then i can send them a ubuntu cd also with the order and they MIGHT use it
[05:45] <Quash> A cheap, small display case would have kept them organized and right by the cash register.  Could state it's "Free" and there could be re-ordering instructions on the back for the store owners, once they saw them fly off the shelves.
[05:45] <imbrandon> yup
[05:45] <imbrandon> email shipit or mark about it ;)
[05:48] <Quash> how do I email mark?
[05:48] <Quash> ...not that he probably wants to be bothered with stuff like this...
[05:49] <imbrandon> dunno there probbly a link on http://www.markshuttleworth.com/
[05:49] <slackern> haha,darn that forum has alot of ubuntu discussion nowadays, still plowing through threads to find it.
[05:50] <Quash> can't see an email address for him on his site.
[05:51] <slackern> look him up in the wiki, i saw he has like a tons of adresses, markshuttleworth@canonical.com markshuttleworth@gmail.com are 2 if i remember correctly.
[05:51] <Hobbsee> i'd try mark@ubuntu.com or sabdfl@ubuntu.com
[05:51] <Hobbsee> but i doubt mark is the one to do anything about it - he probably has very little to do with the cds
[05:51] <Hobbsee> he's a very busy man, i'm told
[05:58] <LaserJock> also his LP page has email addresses
[06:03] <pianoboy3333> Can someone help me with a deb I cannot build? http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz2 contains the build directory I'm working with
[06:06] <imbrandon> little inet trubbly today Hobbsee ??
[06:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, i just switched to the other kernel then...
[06:06] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[06:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee / bddebian how to fix the umetdeps ?
[06:29] <imbrandon> theres a ton of those i can run through i bet
[06:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: grab source, change deps, add to changelog, build in pbuilder, upload debdiff
[06:29] <Hobbsee> be careful though - bddebian's done some but hadnt updated the page :P
[06:30] <imbrandon> heh ok change deps as in remove the ones that are unmet is more what i ment ;)
[06:30] <imbrandon> k
[06:30] <Hobbsee> yes.  no, change them to what they should be...
[06:30] <imbrandon> i found that with dh_iconcache too, alot of the packages in main at the top are done but arent updated, i'm audating those now too as i run accross them
[06:31] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's different
[06:31] <Hobbsee> i ended up modifying cdbs - so any packages that dont use a special kde.mk only need a rebuild
[06:31] <imbrandon> nice
[06:32] <imbrandon> i couldent get kvirc2 to build for me, i might try it again later tonight if i get bored
[06:32] <imbrandon> al the rest i did are uploaded
[06:32] <imbrandon> s/al/all
[06:33] <imbrandon> yea i was going by this when looking for unmet deps ( from dholobacks blog ) LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep ^Package | cut -d' ' -f2 | sort -u |      xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u
[06:34] <imbrandon> *dholbach
[08:39] <neutrinomass> Good morning tuxmaniac :)
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hi neutrinomass and tuxmaniac
[08:39] <neutrinomass> hi Hobbsee
[08:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:44] <Hobbsee> being beaten up by a girl...for shame!
[08:45] <crimsun> that Hobbsee is a violent one
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:45] <Hobbsee> hush crimsun :P
[08:46] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee seems to like /dev/null a lot!!
[08:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:47] <tuxmaniac> I pity /dev/null . Yesterday it has to take in all those bugs in it.. And today its crimsun.. Oh oh.. ahhhhhh And its me now!
[08:49] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[08:50] <neutrinomass> What about a progress bar in gksu to solve #9214 ?
[08:50] <tuxmaniac> bug 9214
[08:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 9214 in gksu "gksu error reporting could be more friendly" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/9214
[08:50] <tuxmaniac> ok wishlist! Hmm..
[08:51] <crimsun> a progress bar?
[08:51] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Well, you can't know beforehand if sudo will fail.
[08:52] <crimsun> right, but a passwd dialogue implies atomicity
[08:52] <neutrinomass> crimsun: It's mainly to address the "wait. nothing.nothing.nothing" issue described in the bug-report when you type the wrong password ...
[08:52] <crimsun> there's no intermediate state, so a progress bar is wrong semantically
[08:53] <Mithrandir> 'morning
[08:53] <tuxmaniac> +1
[08:53] <neutrinomass> crimsun: Ugh, yes, you're right.Not lose focus then? Keep the gksu window open ?
[08:53] <crimsun> morning Mithrandir
[08:57] <crimsun> neutrinomass: that's a difficult one
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hi Mithrandir
[08:59] <neutrinomass> crimsun: I'm not familiar with how gksu works but it doesn't seem so difficult.... :-/
[09:13] <sivang> Mithrandir: I agree. Is this a net radio so I could also calm myself? :)
[09:15] <Mithrandir> http://media.hiof.no/streams/m3u/nrk-petre-128.ogg.m3u is the 128kbit ogg vorbis stream, http://media.hiof.no/streams/m3u/nrk-petre-172.ogg.m3u is the 172 kbit one.
[09:15] <Mithrandir> (they have mp3 and wma too, but I guess ogg is the easiest one)
[09:16] <sivang> hmm, my totem seems to not be able to play this.
[09:17] <sivang> I shold be able to play ogg ootb..
[09:17] <Mithrandir> works for me by just clicking on the link in firefox.
[09:17] <sivang> and mplayer inside fireofx opens for you?
[09:18] <Mithrandir> totem spawns externally
[09:18] <Mithrandir> it's totem-gstreamer, too
[09:18] <sivang> anything to configure to make this work? any required libs to install to not get "totem could not play...."
[09:18] <sivang> ah
[09:19] <Mithrandir> xmms should be able to play it too, I think
[09:19] <sivang> Mithrandir: I will try if t-gs doesn't work. were you able to do anything with the p5 machine ?
[09:20] <Mithrandir> I didn't have time to test on friday, but I'll do so tomorrow.
[09:21] <sivang> Mithrandir: ah sure, can you set up anybody with remote access to this machine btw? (if we can get an HMC On it that would be best)
[09:23] <Mithrandir> I don't have anything I can hook up to the HMC, but I can just connect it to the box I'm irc-ing off using a serial cable, sure.  Or it can run ssh and be on a public network.
[09:24] <sivang> Mithrandir: if you have a cat-5 cable, that is all you need to hook up between the HMC and the managed system.
[09:24] <sivang> Mithrandir: you would at least have the internal communication between the HMC and your p5 server
[09:25] <Mithrandir> well, I don't think I have a HMC, or is those always shipped with such systems?
[09:25] <Mithrandir> I don't have the packaging slip here so I can't really check.
[09:26] <sivang> Mithrandir: that depends. the HMC is usually offered together with the server, but it's not mandatory IIRC.
[09:26] <Mithrandir> I can always check tomorrow, but I didn't see anything.
[09:26] <Mithrandir> what does it look like?
[09:46] <neutrinomass> Bug 41827 has been fixed in debian if anybody is interested in getting it to dapper ...
[09:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41827 in pida "pida seg faults" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41827
[11:08] <desplesda> hi, i notice that the packages for ogre3d are at 1.0.6, but the latest stable release is 1.2, is there anyone currently working on packaging the new version?
[11:26] <DarkMageZ> desplesda, ogre-tools?
[11:28] <desplesda> ogre-tools, libogre-dev, libogre5c2a
[11:29] <desplesda> they're all built from 1.0.6
[11:31] <DarkMageZ> are currently reasonably in sync with debian, any critical bugs?
[11:33] <desplesda> no, no bugs that i'm aware of
[11:33] <desplesda> ah, i should be talking to the debian packagers about updating this?
[11:34] <DarkMageZ> if they update, it increases the likelyhood of ubuntu updating
[11:34] <desplesda> ok, i'll go and talk to them
[11:34] <desplesda> thanks
[11:37] <phanatic> hi people
[11:38] <DarkMageZ> hello
[12:00] <sivang> Mithrandir: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/eserver/v1r3s/topic/iphau/iphau410.gif&imgrefurl=http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/eserver/v1r3s/topic/iphau/partshmc.htm&h=453&w=480&sz=38&tbnid=xxBFGPTIY70WfM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=126&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHardware%2BManagement%2BConsole%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DX
[12:02] <Mithrandir> sivang: ok, so it's a complete 1U box?  I certainly don't have such a thing
[12:05] <\sh> nice little machine..but nothing against our 8U amd64 quad cpu machine with 5TB HD sata storage attached ;)..OEM made..
[12:14] <sivang> Mithrandir: sort of :) SLES9 closed IBM distro, heavily augmented with Java on Steriods, used ot control the server and it's managed partitions. provides a *very* easy UI to control and acees the guest's terminals.
[12:33] <\sh> siretart: ping
[12:37] <sivang> Mithrandir: what's a 1U box ? :)
[12:37] <\sh> pizzabox...1 rack unit
[12:38] <sivang> \sh: ah k got it
[12:38] <sladen> sivang: something 19inch wide and 44.5mm high
[12:38] <sivang> sladen: like muse ? :)
[12:38] <sladen> sivang: that's where the name comes from
[12:39] <sladen> muse is in a 2U case
[12:39] <sivang> ah, there a twin system with it in the case? (given it's a 2 rack box)
[12:39] <\sh> no
[12:40] <\sh> hp/compaq dl380, dl360 or dl385 (amd64) are 2U machines,
[12:40] <sladen> sivang: muse is actually a vserver on a box called Pandora
[12:40] <\sh> they have e.g. dual cpus or other things which can go hot sometimes :)
[12:41] <\sh> so a 1U chassy is not an advantage
[12:42] <sladen> 1U is fashionable because datacentre premium was space... now it's heat
[12:43] <\sh> 1U can be used for webserver farms ... but not for other things where you need speed and storage
[12:47] <\sh> but heat can be avoided with a fridge system ;)
[01:51] <herzi> sivang: ping
[01:52] <sivang> herzi: pong
[01:52] <sivang> herzi: I saw there is a planned debian version roll up
[01:52] <herzi> sivang: gq 1.0.0-1 is available from debian
[01:52] <herzi> great
[01:52] <sivang> herzi: cool, so I will ask a sync then
[01:53] <herzi> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364721
[01:53] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 364721 in gq "Subject: gq: New upstream availible" [Wishlist,Closed] 
[01:56] <ajmitch> sivang: is there a good reason to get a new upstream in ?
[01:57] <sivang> ajmitch: mainly bug fixes from the new upstream version.
[01:57] <sivang> ajmitch: some of them (which herzi noted to me) are worthwhile a sync
[01:57] <\sh> ajmitch: if you don't enjoy your weekend...please have a look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/loop-aes-source/+bug/30230 new debian version sync fix the problem
[01:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30230 in loop-aes-source "loop-aes module can't be created in Dapper Drake" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[01:57] <ajmitch> \sh: why ask me?
[01:58] <\sh> ajmitch: you can request the sync :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> so could you
[01:58] <\sh> ajmitch: I can't
[01:58] <ajmitch> I'm sure the ubuntu-archive guys trust you still
[01:58] <\sh> ajmitch: I follow the rules :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> sigh
[01:59] <\sh> ajmitch: actually.,..someone has to approve it :)
[01:59] <ajmitch> right
[01:59] <ajmitch> so it's a motu-uvf job
[02:00] <\sh> wrote a mail to ubuntu-motu, and diffstat and upstream changelog are in the bugreport...
[02:00] <ajmitch> assign it to motu-uvf instead
[02:02] <\sh> ajmitch: done
[02:12] <Toadstool> heya
[02:23] <sivang> ajmitch: this is one bug report, do you think it should be deferred to after dapper ? (the sync)
[02:23] <sivang> ajmitch: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gq/+bug/35825
[02:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35825 in gq "Does not appear in the menu" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[02:25] <Hobbsee> sivang: he went to bed...
[03:19] <neutrinomass> In case somebody is bored and wants to fix something, I have a patch that as far as I can tell fixes bug 45828  Thanks.
[03:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45828 in gtksee "gtksee crashes (Dapper-beta1)" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45828
[03:31] <neutrinomass> hi tuxmaniac
[03:31] <tuxmaniac> heya neutrinomass
[03:32] <tuxmaniac> Have somehow compiled and patched kernel 2.6.16 with ck11 pathes
[03:32] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: It seems that DDs don't really know what to do with .desktops after all. Out of the 10-15 I've sent upstream, two responded. One rejected it and the other thanked me and will include it in the next upload :-/
[03:33] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Why do you need 2.6.16 ? (I've heard some things on dapper break with 2.6.16 ... )
[03:33] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass: I want to know what breaks :D
[03:33] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Hehe =)
[03:34] <tuxmaniac> I will basically be missing those Ubuntu Patches which are pretty lot though ;)
[03:35] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: I was trying to find a list of those earlier today... I was looking into a bug report about some guys 3com card that worked with the debian kernel but didn't work with ubuntu. Is there a  list somwhere ?
[03:36] <tuxmaniac> which list? Hardware list supported by Ubuntu?
[03:36] <neutrinomass> (There are endless lists of small changelogs on launchpad which I didn't have the time to go through )
[03:36] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Of the patches.
[03:38] <tuxmaniac> hmmm neutrinomass I dont understand what you are asking
[03:39] <tuxmaniac> List of kernel patches?
[03:39] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Scott James remnant on 2.6.16 :  2.6.16 also changes the sysfs structure, so would require udev updates; and the new upstream of that has dropped libsysfs and made various other changes. ;)
[03:39] <tuxmaniac> yes. Udev <-> kernel interaction is one issue
[03:40] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Yes. A single list with the patches that are in Ubuntu and are not in debian ....
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass: Sorry I dont know
[03:40] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Ok, thanks :)
[03:40] <tuxmaniac> :)
[03:53] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: hola!
[03:54] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: hello man :)
[03:54] <pianoboy3333> me is back to reak debianization havoc
[03:54] <Bluekuja> hehe
[03:54] <Bluekuja> have you tried again?
[03:54] <pianoboy3333> What's going to change? :)
[03:54] <Bluekuja> i thought you tried changing something ^^
[03:55] <Bluekuja> anyway just a moment I'm finishing doing a package
[03:55] <Bluekuja> then I'll help you
[04:05] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass: ping
[04:06] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: pong
[04:06] <tuxmaniac> wait
[04:08] <pianoboy3333> for what?
[04:09] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: thats a small fight between me and neutrinomass abt EDA tools
[04:09] <tuxmaniac> ;)
[04:09] <pianoboy3333> oh
[04:09] <pianoboy3333> goody! geek fight!
[04:10] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass: I found around 128 people today alone who use Free EDA tools fro the electronic work
[04:10] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass: Do you want someone right now to come and tell that to you neutrinomass
[04:10] <tuxmaniac> ^^^^^^^^^^
[04:10] <neutrinomass> pfft, it's not a fight. It's a difference in opinions. Apparently tuxmaniac considers the semi-working state and tk interface of eda tools state of the art ...
[04:10] <neutrinomass> LOL @ tuxmaniac
[04:11] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: I'm not doubting that they are using them, do they like them though ? ;)
[04:11] <tuxmaniac> neutrinomass: I never said that!!! :O
[04:11] <tuxmaniac> anyways.. am not in a mood to fight now... Have better work ;)
[04:12] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Seriously now, the other day I was thinking about that and was wondering whether something similar to qt-gtk-engine for tk ...
[04:13] <tuxmaniac> :)
[04:13] <neutrinomass> ..exists....
[04:14] <tuxmaniac> hey neutrinomass , will brb
[04:14] <neutrinomass> tuxmaniac: Ok, me too
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:20] <Bluekuja> hello bddebian
[04:20] <bddebian> Hello Bluekuja
[04:21] <Bluekuja> how are you man?
[04:21] <bddebian> tuxmaniac: ? :-)
[04:21] <bddebian> Bluekuja: Not bad thx, yourself?
[04:21] <Bluekuja> bddebian: I'm really good tnx :)
[04:28] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: repost your problem, so we can start help you
[04:29] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: dpkg-buildpackage fails
[04:31] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: you can get the directory I'm working with at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/tobuild-pynotify.tar.bz2
[04:31] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: put here the link of pastebin
[04:32] <Bluekuja> bddebian: check it too
[04:34] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: bddebian: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14391
[04:39] <AnAnt> does it make a difference which ubuntu version I using pbuilder for ?
[04:39] <AnAnt> I mean, should I build packages for dapper or the one after it ?
[04:40] <tuxmaniac> bddebian: Heya.. Sorry was not at desk
[04:41] <Hobbsee> AnAnt: dapper, until the edgy repos open...
[04:42] <AnAnt> ok
[04:42] <AnAnt> thx
[04:42] <pianoboy3333> Hobbsee: when is that?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> pianoboy3333: couple of weeks after dapper release?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure...
[04:42] <pianoboy3333> oh
[04:42] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: so, when the edgy repos open, should I then start building packages for edgy, or can I continue building for dapper ?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i wouldnt bother building for dapper now...
[04:43] <tseng> when edgy is open, dapper has been closed for some weeks
[04:43] <Hobbsee> you cant get anything new uploaded for dapper now
[04:43] <Hobbsee> unless it's a rather large act of God to violate all the freezes
[04:43] <AnAnt> really ? I just uploaded mldonkey
[04:43] <Hobbsee> to revu, yes, not to repos...
[04:43] <AnAnt> oh, ok
[04:43] <AnAnt> but it will be reviewed anyways, right ?
[04:43] <tseng> Hobbsee: (hehe)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:44] <bddebian> A straight configure fails for me as follows:
[04:44] <bddebian> checking for NOTIFY_PYTHON... configure: error: Package requirements (pygtk-2.0 >= 2.4.0
[04:44] <bddebian>                                   libnotify >= 0.4.0) were not met.
[04:44] <bddebian> Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
[04:44] <bddebian> installed software in a non-standard prefix.
[04:44] <pianoboy3333> bddebian: http://www.galago-project.org/downloads.php
[04:44] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: btw, if there is software version in REVU that is more up-to-date than debian's repos, which one would Ubuntu take ?
[04:44] <Bluekuja> bdddebian: i had that problem too
[04:45] <Bluekuja> bdddebian: also installing libnotify
[04:45] <Hobbsee> er....
[04:45] <Hobbsee> debians, at first
[04:45] <tseng> the REVU uploaded should sync his changes to the latest debian rev
[04:45] <tseng> if not done already
[04:45] <AnAnt> tseng: I don't understand
[04:46] <tseng> ok..
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ah...is that it...yes...
[04:46] <tseng> if Debian has changes that arent in ubuntu in revision 2
[04:46] <tseng> ubuntu has revision 1
[04:46] <tseng> and you base your package on it and create a new upstream
[04:46] <tseng> you should include changes from debian rev 2
[04:47] <tseng> in your upload to revu
[04:47] <bddebian> Bluekuja: We do have libnotify1 I noticed :)
[04:48] <AnAnt> tseng: I still don't understand, I will give an example, in debain there is mldonkey-2.7.3, and I uploaded a mldonkey-2.7.6 to REVU
[04:48] <AnAnt> tseng: so what will happen now ?
[04:48] <bddebian> AnAnt: This late in the game probably nothing
[04:48] <tseng> this is going to be the last time I say something
[04:48] <AnAnt> bddebian: huh ?
[04:49] <tseng> ubuntu has 2.7.1-2ubuntu2
[04:49] <tseng> debian has 2.7.3-1 lets say
[04:49] <AnAnt> ok
[04:49] <tseng> your 2.7.6 should include changes made between ubuntu 2ubuntu2 and debian 3.-1
[04:49] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 2 in glibc "GNU Free Documentation License is non-free" [Normal,Resolved: notwarty]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2
[04:49] <tseng> does this make sense?
[04:49] <AnAnt> i see
[04:50] <Hobbsee> that didnt make much sense to me :P
[04:50] <Bluekuja> bdddebian: you managed to solve deps?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> oh, yeah
[04:50] <AnAnt> or else it won't be taken, right ?
[04:50] <AnAnt> not even looked at
[04:50] <tseng> well, a good motu would send you back to make another try
[04:50] <tseng> we dont do "not even looked at"
[04:50] <tseng> we tell you what is wrong and send you back to fix it
[04:51] <AnAnt> ic, cool
[04:52] <AnAnt> btw, does anyone have hibernate problems with Dapper ?
[04:52] <tuxmaniac> what? ^^^
[04:52] <tuxmaniac> No absolutely not AnAnt
[04:53] <AnAnt> well, I am having hibernate problems lately
[04:53] <AnAnt> I thought it maybe some bug from the updates, I update daily
[04:53] <pianoboy3333> Sorry, internet collapsed
[04:53] <tuxmaniac> I just loaded the 2.6.15-23 kernel..
[04:53] <tuxmaniac> pianoboy3333: happens :) Murphy's law
[04:54] <bddebian> Bluekuja: Nope :-(
[04:54] <Bluekuja> bddebian: same problem for me
[04:55] <Bluekuja> bddebian: i can't find the right package for that dep
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hibernating is kinda pointless with bug 45759 on my system...
[04:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45759 in acpi-support "Resuming from suspend to disk, I get logged out!" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45759
[04:56] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: wait... I'm thinking... how did you install libnotify version 0.4?
[04:57] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: I havent libnotify at all
[04:57] <pianoboy3333> O_o
[04:57] <pianoboy3333> That's no good
[04:58] <Bluekuja> bddebian: what about you?
[04:58] <bddebian> Ah libnotify1 is only 0.3 in Dapper
[04:58] <Bluekuja> exactly
[04:58] <Bluekuja> i'm on debian now
[04:58] <AnAnt> qui
[04:58] <Bluekuja> and my laptop is running breezy
[04:58] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: hmmm let me try something
[05:02] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: i never get that problem
[05:02] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: i just finished a new package without problems
[05:03] <pianoboy3333> really?
[05:03] <pianoboy3333> it worked for you?
[05:03] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: nono, not that one :)
[05:03] <pianoboy3333> oh :(
[05:03] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: i'm trying to get that dep solved
[05:04] <Bluekuja> bddebian: are you still getting problems with libnotify?
[05:04] <bddebian> Bluekuja: Sorry I gave up.  I am looking at some bugs.
[05:05] <pianoboy3333> Hmmmmm.... Bluekuja I'm going to make a debian out of the new libnotify-0.4.0, this I _can_ do
[05:05] <Bluekuja> bddebian: np
[05:05] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: thanks
[05:05] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: you need to follow library guide for it
[05:07] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: i go afk for 20 min
[05:07] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: when you've done ping me
[05:13] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: I have to run out for 15 minutes, unzip and install the debs.... take a look at http://piano.juicemedia.tv/libnotifydebs-0.4.0.tar.bz2
[05:36] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: same deps errors as before
[05:57] <jikanter> how do you load yelp's symbol table when debigging in gdb?
[05:57] <jikanter> *debugging
[06:02] <jikanter> %users
[06:05] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: back
[06:05] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: what deperrors?
[06:05] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: same as before
[06:05] <pianoboy3333> What _were_ they?
[06:06] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: same as source install of course
[06:06] <pianoboy3333> I understand but what where they?
[06:07] <Bluekuja> i need to install a lot of libs thats the problem
[06:07] <Bluekuja> and one of them
[06:07] <Bluekuja> is libnotify1
[06:07] <pianoboy3333> ok.... what ever
[06:07] <Bluekuja> you made libnotify package
[06:39] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: that is called an internet s**t
[06:39] <pianoboy3333> When the internet craps out for that long, it's no longer crapping out
[06:39] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:39] <pianoboy3333> It's s**tting out
[06:39] <Bluekuja> I'm lucky on that side
[06:40] <Bluekuja> i dont have problems with internet connection
[06:40] <pianoboy3333> heh
[06:40] <pianoboy3333> It has to be something obvious that I'm missing, something to do with libnotify I think...
[06:41] <Bluekuja> that package was  libnotify but in the deps there was libnotify too
[06:41] <Bluekuja> it can't be possible
[06:42] <pianoboy3333> this is becuase...
[06:42] <pianoboy3333> It's getting installed to /usr/local instead of /usr where libnotify1 from the official repos is
[06:43] <pianoboy3333> What's harder about making a library deb?
[06:45] <Bluekuja> you have to follow  this guide
[06:45] <Bluekuja> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html
[06:45] <pianoboy3333> ok
[06:46] <pianoboy3333> let me see if I have more luck with that
[06:47] <Bluekuja> oki
[06:51] <trappist> crimsun: that upload did fix eterm, thanks again
[06:52] <buggs> a/part
[06:52] <pianoboy3333> Bluekuja: too complicated for the short time I have right now, maybe later
[06:53] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: oki
[06:53] <pianoboy3333> So, how come notify-python won't build, there's a dependency missing?
[06:57] <Bluekuja> pianoboy3333: yes
[06:58] <pianoboy3333> I think I know
[06:58] <pianoboy3333> package python-dev
[07:00] <pianoboy3333> damnit... nope
[07:01] <pianoboy3333> brb
[07:13] <pianoboy3333> Is there any documentation on python2.4-apt? the apt python module?
[07:35] <pianoboy3333> I still can't figure out what I'm missing...
[07:53] <pianoboy3333> Has anyone here ever packaged a python module before?
[07:56] <sladen> pianoboy3333: no.  best place to start would be to find another one and apt-get the source
[08:07] <yosch> hi guys
[08:09] <yosch> quick question: when a LP bug is not reproducible anymore: we only have "fix committed/fix released" as statuses
[08:09] <yosch> is it OK to change to these statuses even if we're not sure where the bug has been fixed?
[08:09] <sladen> yosch: fix released if you know something like fixed it
[08:10] <sladen> yosch: rejected if you think it disappeared
[08:10] <yosch> sladen: thanks, wasn't too sure about the meaning of rejected, in this case I think it's rejected, thanks
[08:12] <sladen> yosch: at least those are the rules I play by, other people may have a different variation
[08:13] <pianoboy3333> sladen: ever single one I've debianized is fine, except for pynoitfy O.o
[08:13] <yosch> sladen: OK, any pointers to bugs docs for LP?
[08:14] <sladen> yosch: can you ask that in a different way, I'm unclear what you're after
[08:16] <yosch> sladen: sorry, is there some official documentation for malone which I can look up to get more details on the way I need to handle bugs?
[08:17] <sladen> yosch: unfortunately, I think that maybe lacking.  Search for  'triage'
[08:19] <yosch> sladen: got it
[08:45] <ferronica> can any one tell me what is universe or multiverse
[08:45] <yosch> ahh, found some docs: posting here since it may be useful for others https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/LaunchpadBugTriage
[08:45] <ferronica> wat they do
[08:46] <yosch> ferronica: all the details are here: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[08:54] <ferronica> yosch: how to edit source list???
[08:55] <jpatrick> ferronica: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:55] <ferronica> yosch: how could i know what to add how to addd
[08:55] <jpatrick> there's already there
[08:56] <jpatrick> you just have to uncomment it
[08:57] <ferronica> jpatrick: no text found
[08:57] <jpatrick> ...
[08:57] <ferronica> jpatrick: in my source.lsit
[08:57] <ferronica> jpatrick: its blank
[08:57] <ferronica> jpatrick: :(
[08:58] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: tell me exactly what you did
[09:00] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: just pasted this command-->
[09:00] <ferronica>  gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:00] <tuxmaniac> ok.. do this.. cd /etc/apt/
[09:00] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: in Terminal
[09:01] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: do ls and see whether sources.list is there?
[09:01] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: ok i pasted that
[09:02] <tuxmaniac> what did you paste?
[09:02] <ferronica> cd /etc/apt/
[09:02] <tuxmaniac> and do ls
[09:02] <tuxmaniac> 'ls'
[09:02] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: nothing opened
[09:03] <tuxmaniac> type          ls
[09:03] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: apt.conf.d   sources.list   sources.list_backup  trustdb.gpg  trusted.gpg~
[09:03] <ferronica> secring.gpg  sources.list~  sources.list.save    trusted.gpg
[09:03] <tuxmaniac> aah ok
[09:03] <tuxmaniac> vi sources.list
[09:03] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: this is the output
[09:03] <tuxmaniac> type vi souces.list
[09:03] <tuxmaniac> type 'vi sources.list'
[09:04] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: now
[09:04] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: a blank terminal
[09:04] <tuxmaniac> vi sources.list_backup
[09:06] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: will u give me a command directly to open source.list
[09:06] <tuxmaniac> vi sources.list does that
[09:07] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: but it opened it in terminal not in text window
[09:07] <tuxmaniac> yeah.. its vi.
[09:08] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: from where u got all knowledge abot these command
[09:08] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: how to open source.list how to modify, what to add how to add all these
[09:08] <tuxmaniac> hang around the IRCs :)
[09:08] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: Me toooo wanna know it please
[09:09] <tuxmaniac> join #ubuntu
[09:09] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: then where i am now???????///
[09:09] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: i think in ubuntu5.10
[09:09] <tuxmaniac> you are in ubuntu-motu
[09:09] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: what that mean motu???
[09:10] <jpatrick> Master of the Universe
[09:10] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: and Universe is the name of the repos
[09:10] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: ok, how to change  channel, any shortcut
[09:10] <tuxmaniac> [/join #ubuntu] 
[09:11] <jpatrick> without the [] 
[09:11] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: okay
[09:11] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: Copy and paste the contents of http://pastebin.com/730027
[09:11] <tuxmaniac> into you sources.list
[09:11] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: what is this???
[09:12] <tuxmaniac> copy it from the text box below in the page otherwise you will get line numbers and all
[09:12] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: it is the contents of sources.list that should be there
[09:12] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: but i am using breezy badger5.10 not dapper
[09:13] <tuxmaniac> aaaaaahhhhhh!! Sorry
[09:13] <tuxmaniac> :)
[09:13] <tuxmaniac> change all dapper to breezy
[09:13] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: and dapper is beta not full version
[09:13] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: it will release in mid june
[09:13] <tuxmaniac> hmmm.
[09:14] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: Replace all the words dapper
[09:15] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: with breezy
[09:15] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: Am sorry.. I cant stay any longer
[09:15] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: Its 1 AM here
[09:15] <tuxmaniac> ferronica: See you
[09:15] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: and here 12:45 AM
[09:15] <tuxmaniac> you are from India?
[09:15] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: same time little bit difference
[09:16] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: Nepal
[09:16] <tuxmaniac> oh ok. Anyways. ferronica Have to go bye
[09:16] <ferronica> tuxmaniac: Bye
[10:47] <crimsun> trappist: np
[10:48] <pianoboy3333> Whazzzup?
[11:51] <phanatic> evening
[11:51] <lzap> nite
[11:51] <crimsun> 'evening
[11:52] <phanatic> crimsun: if you have a little time, could you please have a look at bug 32485?
[11:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 32485 in sysinfo "sysinfo locks on startup" [Normal,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/32485