[12:25] <cbx33> Burgundavia, what is left to do?
[12:25] <cbx33> CSS
[12:25] <cbx33> is that it?
[12:26] <Burgundavia> css makes the html look pretty
[12:26] <cbx33> yeh
[12:26] <Burgundavia> I am not a css expert
[12:26] <cbx33> :p
[12:29] <Burgundavia> cbx33, what is your plan for pdf?
[12:29] <cbx33> Burgundavia, how can I view the html wit hthe CSS attached
[12:29] <cbx33> I ran a make in the edubuntu directory
[12:29] <cbx33> but it doesn't link in the css to the html is that correct?
[12:30] <cbx33> Burgundavia, remember the mockups at the bottom of the original page?
[12:30] <cbx33> I was going to make them up like that in scribus
[12:30] <Burgundavia> ok, that basically means you are going to need to fork the doc
[12:31] <cbx33> yes
[12:31] <Burgundavia> which sucks
[12:31] <cbx33> I can't keep them up todate
[12:31] <cbx33> sorry Burgundavia but if it's going to print I guess it should look the part
[12:31] <cbx33> unless, I can lay it out, but make it put certain text in certain places?
[12:31] <Burgundavia> yepo
[12:31] <cbx33> tbh thought, this document will be pretty static until the next release
[12:32] <Burgundavia> ok, then I think we need to have a quick rethink
[12:32] <cbx33> only things like spelling mistakes etc
[12:32] <Burgundavia> what do we actually need
[12:32] <Burgundavia> ?
[12:32] <cbx33> right
[12:32] <Burgundavia> we need content for the website
[12:32] <Burgundavia> we also need some sort of printed thing
[12:32] <cbx33> yes
[12:32] <cbx33> there's no reason why they can't ste from the same doc
[12:32] <cbx33> ste/stem
[12:32] <Burgundavia> not really
[12:33] <Burgundavia> there is a big issue in that print is very different from the web
[12:33] <Burgundavia> trying to do both from the same is going to end in tears
[12:33] <cbx33> tbh, once something is printed ie hardcopy it's a permanent fork
[12:33] <cbx33> Burgundavia, why do yo usay that?
[12:33] <Burgundavia> ok, then, here is my plan
[12:33] <Burgundavia> drop the docbook
[12:33] <Burgundavia> migrate what we have to the edubuntu.org website
[12:34] <Burgundavia> we also fork and move it into scribus
[12:34] <Burgundavia> the scribus stuff goes into the repo
[12:34] <Burgundavia> the website stuff stays on the website
[12:34] <cbx33> sounds good to me
[12:34] <cbx33> I forget why we moved it to svn in docbook anyway
[12:34] <Burgundavia> however, lets do this after release
[12:34] <cbx33> someone suggested it and it was a good idea
[12:35] <cbx33> well the printing will def take palce after release
[12:35] <Burgundavia> lets release with at least something in html with css for dapper and work on the scribus thing in june
[12:35] <Burgundavia> does that sound like a plan
[12:35] <cbx33> Burgundavia, it wouldn't take me that long to get it into drupal?
[12:35] <cbx33> I could edubuntu.org it before june
[12:36] <Burgundavia> sure, after we freeze it
[12:36] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to do some gardening
[12:36] <Burgundavia> I will be back on tomorrow
[12:36] <cbx33> ok sounds good.....so when are we gonna freeze?  - I'll make a quick proof now
[12:36] <cbx33> I'm sure Laser_away will do a proof
[12:36] <cbx33> If all looks good I'll freeze tomorrow
[12:37] <cbx33> sound good to you?
[12:37] <cbx33> once frozen I'll ship it out for people who want to translate too
[12:37] <cbx33> I know there are severa
[12:37] <cbx33> l
[12:38] <cbx33> sound good Burgundavia ?
[12:39] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[01:04] <Burgundavia> cbx33, I think we are ready to freeze
[01:05] <Burgundavia> cbx33, for translations, we can use rosetta
[01:05] <Burgundavia> no need ot ship it
[01:06] <cbx33> ok e4xcellent
[01:06] <cbx33> so
[01:06] <cbx33> shall i create the product in LP
[01:06] <cbx33> for the ESA?
[01:06] <Burgundavia> we just need to spell and grammar check it
[01:06] <Burgundavia> no, it can go under the edubuntu-docs one
[01:07] <cbx33> ah ok
[01:07] <cbx33> but that doesn't mean it'll be added to that package does it?
[01:07] <Burgundavia> I think it should be
[01:07] <Burgundavia> it might be too late
[01:08] <cbx33> a) it is too late
[01:08] <cbx33> b) it's too big
[01:08] <Burgundavia> no worries
[01:12] <cbx33> Burgundavia, this is odd
[01:12] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[01:12] <cbx33> sorry that was meant to be highvoltage this is odd
[01:12] <cbx33> :p
[01:13] <cbx33> the css theme is working :S
[01:13] <cbx33> on my machine
[01:13] <cbx33> Burgundavia, in that case, how are we going to add it to rosetta?
[01:13] <cbx33> I'm gonna proof it now
[01:14] <Burgundavia> we need to generate pots from the docbook
[01:14] <cbx33> pots?
[01:15] <Burgundavia> do you know about gettext?
[01:15] <cbx33> no
[01:15] <cbx33> I'm new to most of this
[01:15] <Burgundavia> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext
[01:15] <cbx33> ok i get it
[01:22] <cbx33> Burgundavia, I'm just proofing now
[01:22] <cbx33> have a few changes, will submit a patch in a few minutes
[01:22] <Burgundavia> cbx33, sounds good
[01:36] <cbx33> Burgundavia, are we writing for a UK or US market :p
[01:37] <cbx33> z's or s's
[01:37] <Burgundavia> US spelling
[01:37] <Burgundavia> if someone "translates" it into UK or Canadian english, they can change those things
[01:38] <cbx33> i can;t find a better phrase than Unix-like in - advantages of its Unix-like and open source heritages
[01:39] <Burgundavia> Unix like is fine
[02:06] <cbx33> Burgundavia, do you want the diff
[02:07] <cbx33> or shall I pos to the mailing list>
[02:10] <cbx33> gone to mailing list
[02:11] <cbx33> nn all
[02:13] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[02:14] <jsgotangco> hello
[02:14] <jsgotangco> ogra: are you still awake?
[02:15] <jsgotangco> ogra: there seems to be a typo on the gcompris archive?
[02:15] <jsgotangco> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[02:15] <jsgotangco>   edubuntu-desktop: Depends: g#ompris-sound-fr but it is not installable
[02:15] <jsgotangco> E: Broken packages
[03:47] <jsgotangco> ogra: seems to be fixed, tnx
[04:38] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: around?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:45] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[04:48] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, yep
[04:49] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: ESA doesn't validate, there needs to be <para> tags around the images
[04:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:49] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I fixed it locally
[04:50] <Burgundavia> fix it in the repo
[04:50] <Burgundavia> I am not working on it right now
[04:51] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do you think the apps lists for multimedia, internet, etc. should be turned into paragraph form describing what functionality is there?
[04:51] <Burgundavia> sure
[05:26] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: committed but needs love/review
[06:02] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, how goes it this evening
[06:02] <Burgundavia> Laser_away, I will play with it tonight
[06:02] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[06:02] <Amaranth> had to reinstall ubuntu
[06:02] <Amaranth> i fscked up my init scripts
[06:02] <Burgundavia> huh
[06:02] <Burgundavia> back on my breezy machine right now. Geez breezy is slow
[06:04] <jsgotangco> it is
[06:04] <Burgundavia> so is firefox on my box for some reason
[06:04] <Burgundavia> I get a massive CPU hit for every load
[06:04] <Burgundavia> even just editing wikipedia is bad
[06:11] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, you think I should bold the app names?
[06:14] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yep
[06:16] <Burgundavia> ok, cleanup patch is about to land
[06:17] <Burgundavia> hmm, take a look nome
[06:17] <Burgundavia> s/nome/now
[06:17] <Burgundavia> ok, that was a odd typo
[06:20] <LaserJock> cool, there are a few typos, but it is starting to pop a bit
[06:21] <Burgundavia> you think I should bold the other app names as well? (the k-ones, etc.)
[06:21] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: are you using bold or <application>? and yes I think there should be something setting app names apart
[06:22] <Burgundavia> hmm, I guess I should use application
[06:22] <Burgundavia> just a sec, I will fix that
[06:23] <LaserJock> Graphics and Sound & Video have a couple problems
[06:23] <Burgundavia> ok, what are they
[06:23] <LaserJock> with Graphics, you have "diagrams" capitalized
[06:24] <Burgundavia> got that
[06:24] <LaserJock> and the first sentence of Sound & Video isn't right
[06:25] <Burgundavia> just caught that
[06:25] <LaserJock> and I think I mispelled excellent in there, or maybe not
[06:25] <crimsun> what are you reviewing?
[06:25] <Burgundavia> ESA
[06:25] <crimsun> sorry, url?
[06:26] <LaserJock> no url yet
[06:26] <Burgundavia> currently in the doc team repo, but an old version can be seen at doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/SchoolAdvocacy/
[06:26] <Burgundavia> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/school-advocacy.html
[06:26] <crimsun> in trunk or dapper?
[06:27] <Burgundavia> trunk
[06:27] <Burgundavia> going to add application to rest of the app names
[06:27] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, did you see cbx33 and myself chatting about the future of ESA
[06:27] <Burgundavia> ?
[06:28] <LaserJock> no
[06:28] <LaserJock> I haven't been on IRC much this weekend
[06:28] <Burgundavia> we are going to release with this version in the repos, then split the doc post dapper
[06:28] <crimsun> are you guys seeking content and/or structural review?
[06:28] <Burgundavia> crimsun, any feedback is good
This is a School Advocacy pamphlet for &distro-rev;</para>    <-- "This" needs to be followed by a noun.
[06:29] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: split?
[06:29] <crimsun> "Edubuntu is designed to allow a teacher or network administrator to be able to setup"  <-- drop the "to be able"
[06:30] <Burgundavia> crimsun, can you generate a patch for us?
[06:30] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, one version to the website and one version morphed into scribus, then the docbook version dropped
[06:30] <crimsun> I can, but I can't guarantee it'll be pushed out until tomorrow evening at earliest
[06:30] <crimsun> I'll add to my TODO
[06:31] <Burgundavia> no worries
[06:31] <Burgundavia> the doc is currently is a little bit of flux
[06:31] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: which website? edubuntu.org?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:32] <LaserJock> sounds good
[06:32] <LaserJock> hmm, what about a bzr repo for it?
[06:34] <Burgundavia> well, once it is in scribus, it can back into the svn repo
[06:34] <Burgundavia> I generally like the idea of one bzr repo per doc for post dapper
[06:34] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:34] <LaserJock> I'm starting to wonder how the doc team is going to handle edgy WRT having docs from so many different projects
[06:35] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:37] <LaserJock> I setup that test bzr repo, but I'm don't think bzr is ready for our present use case
[06:38] <Burgundavia> the issue with one repo per doc is the build chain
[06:38] <Burgundavia> it suddenly becomes very very complicated
[06:40] <LaserJock> I would like to see they docs group seperated by project (i.e. ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu,xubuntu) and then have generic, and then teamstuff/common
[06:40] <LaserJock> it seems weird to have people who are only interested in edubuntu docs, for instance, download the whole repo
[06:40] <Burgundavia> currently, I think svn works very well for us
[06:41] <Burgundavia> the only issue is control of the repo
[06:41] <Burgundavia> I would like to see this pass to mdke
[06:41] <LaserJock> yes, that is an issue
[06:41] <Burgundavia> I think it would be better to find a webeditor like docudo
[06:42] <crimsun> it would make sense to delegate, since there're already separate CCs for Edubuntu and Kubuntu
[06:42] <Burgundavia> the thing is, the build chain is the same and it makes sense to keep them one
[06:43] <Burgundavia> the doc team currently works quite well
[06:43] <LaserJock> well, Mark has already asked elmo to do it but I think it is fairly low priority on elmo's list at this point
[06:43] <Burgundavia> elmo is currently holding the debconf structure together with ductape and spit, so...
[06:44] <LaserJock> supposedly anybody who is a member of the doc team LP team will have svn access
[06:44] <LaserJock> so we can control it that way
[06:45] <Burgundavia> that will be good
[06:45] <LaserJock> I agree that the current setup works well for us for the most part, but I'm worried about dialup users for instance
[06:45] <Burgundavia> that is an issue
[06:45] <Burgundavia> but there really isn't any getting around that
[06:45] <LaserJock> a web editor would help, wouldn't it?
[06:46] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:46] <Burgundavia> I think a webeditor would solve most of our issues
[06:46] <Burgundavia> it doesn't even need to be fancy
[06:47] <LaserJock> gosh, just having a plain text editor that has some sort of login and can interface to the svn repo would be great
[06:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, maybe a communal box we could ssh into would be better
[06:48] <Burgundavia> because the web issue brings up the "testing it in yelp" problem
[06:48] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com ;-)
[06:48] <LaserJock> true
[06:48] <LaserJock> it should at least run validate.sh on it
[06:48] <Burgundavia> for now, I intend to ssh into my home machine and use that
[06:49] <LaserJock> I ssh into ~ 5 different boxes,including doc.ubuntu.com, to edit
[06:49] <LaserJock> it gets to be a pain
[06:50] <Burgundavia> why do you ssh into doc?
[06:50] <LaserJock> sometimes I use it to build the ubuntu-docs .deb
[06:50] <Burgundavia> crimsun, wow, that defendguin guy is persistant, no?
[06:50] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: #ubuntu ?
[06:51] <Burgundavia> no #ubuntu-laptop
[06:51] <LaserJock> does Diablo-D3 still hang out there?
[06:51] <Burgundavia> thankfully not
[06:52] <Burgundavia> I had forgotten about him
[06:53] <LaserJock> sorry for reminding you ;-)
[07:01] <Burgundavia> hmm, timeoutd looks interesting
[07:01] <Burgundavia> it just needs a good UI to configure it
[07:03] <spacey> morning
[07:03] <spacey> i just had the worst night sleep ever
[08:24] <Burgundavia> 'ello highvoltage 
[08:24] <highvoltage> salut Burgundavia
[08:28] <Burgundavia> salut JaneW 
[08:31] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW
[08:35] <highvoltage> anyone know who kaging1202 is?
[08:35] <mhz> highvoltage: hey mon
[08:36] <mhz> not me
[08:36] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, no, but if you hum a few bars, I might be able to fake it
[08:36] <mhz> highvoltage: seen my last emails?
[08:36] <highvoltage> lol
[08:36] <highvoltage> mhz: hey mon
[08:36] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i have, i'm going to forward them to a collegue, who might be interested
[08:37] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm, not you anymore?
[08:37] <highvoltage> mhz: you know that i'll be in paris
[08:37] <mhz> highvoltage: then you have not seen my recent emails :D
[08:38] <mhz> highvoltage: paris ends on 23rd?
[08:38] <jsgotangco> he's asking about thr 5CD limitation of edubuntu x86
[08:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: hey
[08:38] <jsgotangco> my guess is that we have a low print run
[08:38] <jsgotangco> but special requests can be made if justified
[08:39] <jsgotangco> you will most likely have to ask marilize
[08:39] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, sounds logical.
[08:41] <highvoltage> mhz: no, sorry, still catching up on latest e-mails...
[08:43] <highvoltage> mhz: aah :)
[08:44] <mhz> highvoltage: see?, no need to run yet :D
[08:44] <mhz> highvoltage: please give us until wednesday
[08:44] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, will do. what's your local time atm?
[08:44] <mhz> 02:44 AM
[08:45] <highvoltage> ok great
[08:45] <mhz> is it? 
[08:45] <highvoltage> yes, that means there's lots of time to 11:00 :)
[08:45] <mhz> oh, yeah, for you.
[08:46] <highvoltage> mhz: sleep tight :)
[08:46] <mhz> I still gotta finish lots of stuff and I gotta be leaving for sponsors office at 09:00 :D
[08:47] <mhz> highvoltage: can you remind me why I got into these troubles, please ? :D
[08:48] <highvoltage> mhz: because you care too much :)
[08:50] <mhz> highvoltage: thx, then I got more energy to continue until I literally die on the keyboard
[08:51] <mhz> (we use soooo many words to say things)
[10:52] <jsgotangco> ogra: is edubuntu still oversized?
[10:52] <ogra> should be fine now
[10:52] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html indicates that all is ok (ooo2 are only transitional packages)
[10:53] <jsgotangco> err i mean amd64
[10:53] <jsgotangco> im going to check an install
[11:08] <ogra> yay
[11:08] <ogra> finally :)
[11:08] <Burgundavia> lol
[11:08] <Burgundavia> anyway, right now I have to totter off to bed. It is late here
[11:09] <cbx33> w00t hi ogra 
[11:09] <cbx33> how was your rest?
[11:09] <ogra> relaxing 
[11:10] <ogra> but not half way preparing for the amount of work waiting for me today
[11:10] <cbx33> aww man I'm sorry
[11:10] <ogra> (72 new bugs, half of them has to be solved *today*)
[11:10] <cbx33> we finished ESA, as insiginificant as that is
[11:10] <ogra> (aside from keeping the CD in shape)
[11:11] <cbx33> and I took a look at the CSS theme for edubuntu.org, but I couldn't see a problem with it,  ie, it works on my computer/drual install
[11:11] <ogra> highvoltage, is working on ti since thursday afaik
[11:12] <cbx33> I've been in contact with him
[11:13] <cbx33> I'll be able to fully test RC tomorrow
[11:13] <cbx33> I'm not at work today
[11:15] <cbx33> ogra, oh yes, sorry to add another to your list, are we aware of images not lading from the educa server tests?
[11:17] <ogra> educa server tests ??
[11:17] <ogra> whats that ? 
[11:17] <cbx33> when you go into educa, you can choose test that are already made
[11:17] <cbx33> and it connects up to a server
[11:17] <cbx33> two I tested were colour identification
[11:18] <cbx33> and shape identification
[11:18] <cbx33> both of which used images, but none were displayed
[11:18] <ogra> i dont even know what educa should be ? 
[11:18] <cbx33> ok
[11:18] <cbx33> I'll double check it on the RC
[11:18] <ogra> is that in universe ? 
[11:19] <cbx33> Keduca ?
[11:19] <ogra> ah
[11:19] <ogra> please tell me the full name 
[11:19] <ogra> :)
[11:19] <cbx33> sorry ogra
[11:19] <cbx33> it's still early for me
[11:19] <ogra> heh, for me as well
[11:20] <cbx33> right I have a mountain of washing up to do
[11:20] <cbx33> I'll bbiab
[11:24] <highvoltage> ogra: yeah, the idea was to do a new theme from scratch
[11:24] <highvoltage> ogra: but cbx33 got the old theme to work with drupal, so we'll do that instead
[11:24] <ogra> thats fine
[11:24] <highvoltage> ogra: btw, did you see someone put their name up for edubuntu membership?
[11:25] <ogra> only for the testers team
[11:25] <highvoltage> i wonder if he's applying, or if it was an accident. do you know kaging1202?
[11:25] <ogra> nope
[11:25] <highvoltage> i got an email for membership too...
[11:25] <highvoltage> """We received a request from the user named 'Jay M. Mapalo 
[11:25] <highvoltage> (kaging1202)' trying to join the team 'Edubuntu Members', butWe received a request from the user named 'Jay M. Mapalo 
[11:25] <highvoltage> (kaging1202)' trying to join the team 'Edubuntu Members', but"
[11:25] <highvoltage> oops, sorry about that
[11:26] <highvoltage> ogra: it's strange, your e-mail address isn't in the To: field
[11:27] <highvoltage> sorry, it is "hostmaster@grawert.net"
[11:27] <JaneW> that's oliver
[11:27] <ogra> yep
[11:27] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com somehow produces mail loops
[11:28] <ogra> so i had to use my non official one
[11:31] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that's a local here, he emailed me over the weekend saying he has doco
[11:32] <ogra> yeah, we have 3 applicants there currently
[11:32] <ogra> freeflying is already ubuntu member ...
[11:32] <ogra> trhe other two have no wikipage at all
[11:33] <jsgotangco> can we whitelist ubuntu members?
[11:33] <jsgotangco> or would your rather have them present themseleves as well
[11:33] <ogra> JaneW, what about skipping this weeks meeting ? (i'm already chatting too much again here while i should only be in -devel)
[11:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, we should at least have some feedback why they explicitly want edubuntu membership and what they want to do to participate
[11:35] <ogra> i dont see a reason why we should just give edubuntu membership for free to ubuntu members
[11:35] <jsgotangco> good point
[11:36] <jsgotangco>  edubuntu-artwork (0.1.0-29) dapper; urgency=low
[11:36] <jsgotangco>  .
[11:36] <jsgotangco>   * now also the wallpaper shows NZ (closes maolne #44766)
[11:37] <ogra> yeah, the most critical edubuntu bug :P
[11:41] <JaneW> ogra: could do
[11:47] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[11:47] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[11:47] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[11:48] <cbx33> highvoltage, I assume you got my mail :p
[11:48] <jsgotangco> hey
[11:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[11:51] <cbx33> highvoltage, funny that I didn't have to do anything
[11:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: i even respondend to it on irc ;)
[11:51] <cbx33> jsgotangco, ESA has been officially frozen :p
[11:51] <cbx33> ah shucks, but I wasn't there
[11:51] <highvoltage> ah
[11:51] <cbx33> highvoltage, are you ok with me creating a page for ESA on edubuntu.org
[11:52] <highvoltage> i'll try it too, i hope it's not some php problem. hopefully i'll just install it clean again and it will just work
[11:52] <jsgotangco> cbx33: the work now is to register these edubuntu docs in Yelp
[11:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, that's fine
[11:52] <cbx33> jsgotangco, how do we go about that? - explain more :p
[11:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: but don't call it ESA, please
[11:52] <cbx33> of course not
[11:52] <cbx33> :p
[11:52] <highvoltage> calling an doc which purpose is to be an advocacy doc is very dodgy :)
[11:53] <jsgotangco> file:///usr/share/scrollkeeper/doc/writing_scrollkeeper_omf_files/C/writing_scrollkeeper_omf_files.xml
[11:53] <cbx33> Corey and I had a chat about where to take it, we decided probably to fork it here put the scribus versions in the svn repo
[11:53] <cbx33> and make the drupal pages
[11:55] <cbx33> I can mock up one of those now possibly, the omf i mean
[11:56] <jsgotangco> just follow the samples and use it in your install
[11:56] <cbx33> jsgotangco, whoo, back up, install?
[11:56] <jsgotangco> naw you can create a new scrollkeeper db
[11:57] <cbx33> now I'm really confused :p
[11:57] <jsgotangco> just read the scrollkeeper manual its all there
[11:57] <cbx33> ok
[11:57] <jsgotangco> the xml needs to be registered in the help system
[11:57] <jsgotangco> once ogra uploads edubuntu-docs it should be magic
[11:58] <ogra> edubuntu-docs is in the archive sine more than a month
[11:58] <ogra> *since
[11:58] <ogra> or even longer
[11:58] <jsgotangco> are you going to make an update?
[11:59] <ogra> its not seeded to main
[11:59] <ogra> until now the CD space didnt allow inclusion
[11:59] <jsgotangco> wahhh  you're right
[11:59] <jsgotangco> its in universe :D
[12:00] <ogra> the default homepage has a (commented) link to the gettingstarted guide, so if it gets included i can just enable the link ... since we dont have gettingstarted in yelp format
[12:01] <jsgotangco> i dont see the xml i did in /usr/share/edubuntu-docs/
[12:01] <cbx33> hi dave-YL 
[12:02] <dave-YL> hi
[12:02] <cbx33> off out in a while
[12:02] <cbx33> hows it all going there
[12:02] <dave-YL> fine
[12:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, you did an xml of gettingstarted ? 
[12:02] <cbx33> good good
[12:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, where do i find that ? 
[12:02] <jsgotangco> ogra: no just "about edubuntu"
[12:02] <cbx33> ogra, did you say edubuntu-docs isn't going into the CD?
[12:02] <ogra> ah
[12:03] <jsgotangco> its 3 yelp pages
[12:03] <ogra> cbx33, depending on space
[12:03] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes, i got it here
[12:03] <cbx33> if it doesn't go on CD, can ESA go into it, or is it too late?
[12:03] <jsgotangco> i got the annoucement in my draft, will be putting it in a wiki later
[12:03] <ogra> cbx33, thats a bit late, since the possibility that we include it still exists
[12:03] <cbx33> ok that's fine, just asking
[12:03] <ogra> i'm really fighting with bytes here 
[12:04] <cbx33> i know
[12:04] <cbx33> that's why I'm not fighting for inclusion
[12:04] <ogra> (not even kilobytes anymore)
[12:04] <jsgotangco> cbx33: we got to save some more space with some pngs in u-m being crushed :D
[12:04] <ogra> u-m ? 
[12:04] <cbx33> all my pngs have been crushed
[12:04] <ogra> not u-d ?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> update-manager
[12:05] <ogra> ah
[12:05] <ogra> hwdb might also loose 2m
[12:05] <cbx33> if I get any time today, is ther eanything I can do for anyone?
[12:05] <ogra> if thats really the case and all these (80) uploads of other packages didnt increase the size, all is fine
[12:06] <cbx33> would gettingstarted in xml format be useful?
[12:06] <ogra> but there are many if's 
[12:06] <ogra> cbx33, for consistency, yes
[12:06] <cbx33> I'll see what I can do
[12:06] <cbx33> where is it at the moment?
[12:07] <ogra> apt-get soource edubuntu-docs
[12:07] <cbx33> I'm not promising I'll have time today, but I should have a few minutes spare tomorrow
[12:07] <ogra> *source
[12:07] <cbx33> ok thanks ogra 
[12:07] <ogra> i doubt i can upload anything tomorrow 
[12:07] <cbx33> ok
[12:07] <cbx33> it's is 4 years today since my wife and I got together
[12:07] <cbx33> so I've taken the day off work :p
[12:07] <cbx33> we're goign out to a nice meal
[12:08] <ogra> hey, have a nice anniversary then :)
[12:08] <cbx33> but i think she still has some freelance web work to do, which means I get edubuntu playtime
[12:08] <jsgotangco> edubuntu is bad for your married life
[12:09] <cbx33> so is ubuntu
[12:09] <cbx33> but I guess my wife must indulge me since she created the young theme wallpaper :p
[12:09] <jsgotangco> linux is the root of all evil then
[12:17] <cbx33> !seen Bluekuja 
[12:17] <ubotu> bluekuja is currently on #edubuntu (21h 29m 17s)
[12:27] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i see lots of typos heh
[12:27] <jsgotangco> im not sure if its a typo either or its en_UK
[12:27] <jsgotangco> spelling
[12:27] <jsgotangco> also the GFDL should be included in full
[12:28] <jsgotangco> but the screenshots are nice :)
[12:35] <highvoltage> ogra: have a minute for a support question? i can ask later too.
[12:50] <cbx33> MysteriousGEGL, which doc is that in?
[12:53] <MysteriousGEGL> ill just read it again later when i arrive home
[12:56] <cbx33> MysteriousGEGL, do you mean the ESA, of getting started?
[12:57] <MysteriousGEGL> ESA
[12:57] <cbx33> oh
[12:57] <cbx33> coery said he'd proofed it lastnight
[12:57] <cbx33> are you talking about the svn vesoion?
[12:57] <cbx33> brb
[12:57] <MysteriousGEGL> yeah
[12:58] <cbx33> I sent a patch through last night, but he told me he'd nuked most of my changes,
[12:58] <cbx33> which may explain it
[12:58] <cbx33> :S
[12:59] <MysteriousGEGL> gahh he always does that
[01:52] <cbx33> yeh, there were a lot of typo changes in there, but he didn't like some of my language changes
[02:19] <cbx33> bbl guys
[02:22] <Kulissenschieber> hello
[02:24] <Kulissenschieber> every time i try to start tuxpaint with gcompris, the app. freeze
[02:25] <Kulissenschieber> is it possible to fix that problem?
[02:25] <Kulissenschieber> how can i find out why it happened?
[02:27] <highvoltage> Kulissenschieber: does this freezing happen on a thin client, or a stand-alone machine?
[02:28] <Kulissenschieber> stand-alone
[02:28] <highvoltage> Kulissenschieber: edubuntu is this the edubuntu dapper beta? sounds like it might be a bug
[02:28] <Kulissenschieber> sorry, yes it is dapper beta
[02:29] <highvoltage> Kulissenschieber: do you mind hanging around a bit?
[02:29] <Kulissenschieber> but it also freezes with earlier flights
[02:30] <highvoltage> Kulissenschieber: would be nice to test on another pc, to see if we can reproduce that. it might have slipped through testing
[02:30] <Kulissenschieber> i have tested it on 3 diff. mashines, always the same
[02:31] <highvoltage> Kulissenschieber: ok, i suggest you log a bug report on http://launchpad.net
[02:31] <highvoltage> Kulissenschieber: please mention that this bug happens with different flights, on different machines.
[02:32] <Kulissenschieber> ok, i will see if i can do that, it will be my first bug report ;)
[02:32] <ogra> please assign it to edubuntu-bugs
[02:33] <ogra> but if i dont get a patch immediately for it i doubt we can fix it, the archive is already locked, packages need approval and a lot of begging to get changes in
[03:35] <ogra> Yagisan, thats what i wondert as well every release
[03:36] <mhz> highvoltage: ping
[03:41] <Yagisan> ogra: it doesn't matter what project, they all come right before the release is due
[03:41] <ogra> yep
[03:43] <Yagisan> ogra: I was due to make a release this weekend, and now I get bug reports that I have a RC bug, that somehow nobody noticed
[03:44] <ogra> but you can move your release date :)
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: well, we are kinda overdue ...
[03:47] <mhz> highvoltage: ping
[03:47] <ogra> we either :P
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: so overdue, that gentoo thought we were a dead upstream
[03:47] <ogra> 6 weeks to be precise :)
[03:47] <Yagisan> ogra: and sent out a security advisory before contacting us
[03:47] <ogra> oh, fun ... could you convince them to be alive ? did you send them some blood ?
[03:49] <Yagisan> ogra: I chastised them. problem being that whle it was a simple fix, others new a few weeks before us
[03:49] <Yagisan> s/new/knew
[03:49] <Yagisan> ogra: and it is a remote exploit :(
[03:49] <ogra> meh
[03:49] <spacey> nasty
[03:49] <spacey> whats the name of this project?
[03:50] <Yagisan> just crashes the server
[03:50] <spacey> so i'm sure i won't use it :P
[03:50] <Yagisan> spacey: doomsday
[03:50] <spacey> ah
[03:50] <spacey> that game stuff
[03:50] <Yagisan> spacey: I personally fixed it
[03:50] <spacey> games are a waste of time Yagisan =)
[03:51] <Yagisan> spacey: really ? I've found it to be quite productive
[03:52] <spacey> root@fry:/var/log/apache2# grep yagisan * | wc -l
[03:52] <spacey> 7524
[03:52] <spacey> your more popular then i expected :p
[03:52] <Yagisan> :)
[03:52] <Yagisan> spacey: you have no idea :)
[03:52] <Yagisan> spacey: you'll get a surge soon
[03:54] <Yagisan> spacey: so, what did you expect ?
[03:54] <Yagisan> spacey: 0 ? 1 ?
[03:55] <Yagisan> ogra: after dappers release, could I get you to run some software though a dapper powerpc pbuilder ?
[03:56] <spacey> 100 :p
[03:56] <ogra> Yagisan, sure
[04:00] <Yagisan> thanks ogra. I couldn't get ubuntu into any powerpc emulator :(
[04:00] <Yagisan> spacey: I'll do my best to be the most popular site you host ;)
[04:07] <spacey> Yagisan: long way to go
[04:07] <spacey> :)
[04:07] <spacey> root@fry:/var/log/apache2# grep seveas * | wc -l
[04:07] <spacey> 26787
[04:07] <Seveas> heh 
[04:08] <spacey> :>
[04:08] <Seveas> and there are 5 other mirrors for that too 
[04:08] <spacey> i wonder how much GB you burned Seveas
[04:08] <spacey> :)
[04:08] <spacey> oh btw
[04:08] <spacey> i'm gonna reinstall the server tonight
[04:09] <Seveas> given that java is no longer needed from there (replaced by dummy packages that install ubuntu sun java) the GB's won't be as much
[04:09] <spacey> but the repo's should be back up tomorrow or so
[04:09] <Seveas> if only nx/freenx were in good shape 
[04:09] <spacey> Seveas: nx has some problems on dapper
[04:09] <spacey> dbus doesn't get loaded
[04:09] <spacey> breaks epiphany and stuff
[04:09] <Seveas> yep
[04:10] <Seveas> I'll have to poke at the session scripts
[04:10] <spacey> apparently epiphany depends on dbus. don't see way.
[04:10] <Seveas> I hope to fix these things next week-ish
[04:10] <spacey> Seveas: yeah should be easy to fix, just couldn't find the NX session scripts that quickly
[04:10] <spacey>  if you look at /etc/X11/session.d it looks fairly easy
[04:11] <spacey> sessions.d
[04:11] <spacey> or not
[04:11] <spacey> anyway =)
[04:11] <Seveas> I know
[04:11] <Seveas> I just don't have the time
[04:11] <Seveas> and I am waiting for slh to upload a new version
[04:11] <spacey> slh?
[04:12] <lucasvo> hi
[04:12] <Seveas> kanotix maintainer, I'm using his packages
[04:12] <spacey> ah yeah,
[04:12] <spacey> reminds me i have to call a kanotix fanboy
[04:12] <spacey> first gonna try xen live cd
[04:12] <spacey> i wonder what it does
[04:13] <spacey> brb
[04:21] <highvoltage> mhz: pong
[04:21] <highvoltage> mhz: i think you made a mistake in the dates
[04:21] <mhz> ?
[04:21] <highvoltage> mhz: JaneW says the summit lasts until the 23rd?
[04:21] <mhz> highvoltage: tue-wed?
[04:22] <mhz> yes, I know. That is why I sent the last email stating we'll have extra meetings in order to make it happen for 27 and 28 th :D
[04:22] <mhz> highvoltage: then, I guess you'll be able to come?
[04:23] <mhz> highvoltage: Luke can't on those dates either :(
[04:24] <mhz> highvoltage: now I am resgistered to freenode ... sorry, I saw no PM's
[04:25] <highvoltage> mhz: yep
[04:25] <highvoltage> mhz: i seem to be 1 mail behind you every time ;)
[04:26] <highvoltage> mhz: ah
[04:27] <mhz> lol
[04:28] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, busy filling in leave forms now, will add those dates ;)
[04:29] <mhz> highvoltage: thx. Is your resume ready?
[04:32] <spacey> xen is quite nice
[04:32] <spacey> i think
[04:32] <spacey> i hope the intergration in ubuntu is not to horrible
[04:33] <ogra> so where is the edubuntu-testing team ? did anybody do any tests yet ? 
[04:35] <ogra> Kulissenschieber, yvesC is gcompris upstream developer, he probably knows whats going on with your tuxpaint bug (did you file it already ?)
[04:38] <highvoltage> ogra: gcompris is on the testing list, but seems like no one encountered it before
[04:39] <ogra> highvoltage, the two sentences were unrelated :)
[04:39] <ogra> i need CD test results today 
[04:39] <highvoltage> ogra: i've opened tuxpaint from gcompris a while back, and it worked (was with flight 2, iirc), but seems like it came in since that
[04:39] <ogra> as many as possible
[04:39] <highvoltage> ogra: does it have to be from beta2?
[04:40] <ogra> it has to be from the current build
[04:40] <highvoltage> daily build?
[04:40] <ogra> which will be locked completely from tomorrow on
[04:40] <ogra> yep
[04:40] <ogra> dont test the i386 liveCd yet, its broken
[04:40] <highvoltage> should i mail the list for a call for testing, or do you want to do that?
[04:41] <Kulissenschieber> ogra: no, i did not file it yet - don't know how - not much time (gotta work) - and it's not so easy for me to explain in english (german guy) - gonna try it tonight, when i'm back home
[04:41] <ogra> i thought that nearly everyone agreed in last the meeting to help testing today would be enough *sigh*
[04:42] <ogra> Kulissenschieber, i'm also in edubuntu-de but without a patch i wont have time to fix it though the nightshift i apparently have to do due to lack of testers
[04:42] <ogra> so the only chance for now is to file a bug and with luck upstream has an idea that i can upload quickly
[04:44] <jsgotangco> errr what happened here?
[04:45] <jsgotangco> ogra: you need a quick test on something?
[04:45] <ogra> jsgotangco, no quick tests anymore
[04:45] <ogra> we're preparing the release ... i need full tests :)
[04:46] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:46] <jsgotangco> do you need it now?
[04:46] <jsgotangco> i only tried today's amd64 as a workstation
[04:47] <ogra> did that work ? 
[04:51] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:51] <ogra> from text install or liveCD ?
[04:52] <jsgotangco> text install
[04:52] <ogra> thanks ! :)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> its the least that i can do, i don't have that much bandwidth nor machines to try out an ltsp setup
[04:53] <jsgotangco> (time even)
[04:53] <ogra> that'd be cool, even you wont be able to test it without amd64 client :)
[04:54] <jsgotangco> i have 2 amd64 machines but the constraint really is bandwidth :)
[04:56] <ogra> you can run: mount /cdrom && sudo apt-get injstall ltsp-server-standalone && sudo ltsp-build-client --mirrot file:///cdrom
[04:56] <ogra> s/injstall/install
[05:00] <highvoltage> s/morrot/mirror too :)
[05:00] <ogra> heh, yes
[05:27] <pygi> JaneW, poke
[05:28] <JaneW> pygi: just off to gym, will be back in a few hours
[05:28] <JaneW> mail me
[05:28] <pygi> JaneW, argh, we have to deal with something, but ok :-/
[05:29] <pygi> enjoy exercise :)
[05:35] <mhz> highvoltage: any cv I can get? :)
[05:35] <mhz> highvoltage: any conf. letter I can get? :)
[05:39] <highvoltage> mhz: what's your local time?
[05:40] <mhz> 11:40 AM
[05:40] <mhz> neurogeek: hi mon
[05:40] <highvoltage> mhz: keep in mind that i only got your email this morning after being out of office the entire last week
[05:40] <highvoltage> mhz: but i'll get it to you asap (working on it now)
[05:41] <mhz> neurogeek: any chance you can make strusberg to come over? Or ask him to please answer my last emails?
[05:41] <neurogeek> mhz, hello man.. 
[05:41] <mhz> highvoltage: yup, mon I know you are not wasting your time, no worries. I had to "bug you" anyways, for the record :D
[05:41] <neurogeek> mhz, i don't think so.. because im not around :s
[05:42] <mhz> neurogeek: is latinux and your project going ok?
[05:42] <mhz> neurogeek: oooh, no longer with him?
[05:44] <highvoltage> mhz: 1/2 sent!
[05:44] <highvoltage> mhz: does it have to be a very formal c.v. / resume?
[05:44] <jsgotangco> wow
[05:44] <jsgotangco> our keynote speaker mr. jonathan carter
[05:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:44] <highvoltage> mhz: i don't really have an up to date one, would my linux / education work experience be enough
[05:45] <mhz> highvoltage: nope, as long as it is a CV format
[05:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: are you making fun of me!? ;)
[05:45] <mhz> highvoltage: sure + the foundation one?
[05:45] <mhz> jsgotangco: speaker + member dejavu
[05:45] <mhz> oh, member twice, i mean
[05:45] <jsgotangco> yes, as ajmitch has made fun of me before when i got invited to speak in south korea
[05:46] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, but then i reserve the right to make fun of someone else again, which just might be you
[05:46] <jsgotangco> (actually I was a jdub replacement)
[05:46] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: nah, but YOU got invited to talk, i was a replacement heh
[05:48] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, if highvoltage can't make it, you might be a replacement here :)
[05:49] <mhz> but don't think of it as replacement... it is just that if it were my money, I'd bring the whole Edubuntu gang!
[05:49] <jsgotangco> chile is like hmm 15 hours, when i get there, you better make sure some fine virgins are available
[05:49] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: lol
[05:49] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehehe, are you running on "low battery" ?
[05:50] <mhz> or too much idel time?
[05:50] <mhz> idle
[05:50] <jsgotangco> mhz: more like too little time to be idle
[05:50] <mhz> oooh
[05:50] <mhz> that's because you drink too much :D
[05:50] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i think we should spec out for eft how to ease up some of ogra's work on edubuntu
[05:50] <jsgotangco> :D
[05:51] <jsgotangco> like start packaging ourselves lol
[05:51] <mhz> rofl!
[05:51] <ogra> testing the CDs *today* would be a major help 
[05:51] <ogra> so i wouldnt have to work the next 48h
[05:51] <jsgotangco> i'll test all amd64 from now on starting today
[05:51] <ogra> (no i dont mean jsgotangco, he has tested at least one arch)
[05:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: that might not be a bad idea, hey
[05:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: at least informally
[05:52] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:52] <mhz> ogra: I can test,sure. The only thing is I need to download each time
[05:53] <ogra> rsync :)
[05:53] <mhz> so, my testings can start tomorrow
[05:53] <highvoltage> ogra: have you sent a mail to -devel for testers?
[05:53] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[05:53] <mhz> ogra: yeah, but rsync kept taking as long as downloading
[05:53] <highvoltage> ogra: i would like to test, but i have close to 0 bandwidth
[05:53] <ogra> use --help to see the option
[05:53] <jsgotangco> won't rysncs affect the image name change?
[05:53] <mhz> plus, I have to download at 2 diff. places at same time :(
[05:53] <ogra> we wont have an image name change
[05:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: cool
[05:53] <ogra> :)
[05:54] <ogra> (see -devel ML ;) )
[05:54] <highvoltage> Evolution: getting message 87 of 111
[05:54] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[05:54] <highvoltage> ogra: ^^^ will see it in a few minutes ;)
[05:54] <jsgotangco> ok even ubuntu-server will not get renamed
[05:54] <ogra> yep
[05:54] <jsgotangco> that's good
[05:55] <jsgotangco> (i test both)
[05:57] <mhz> ogra: I was told by nomed (xubuntu and dsslive) that Xubuntu is now doing some progress with LTSP. Know abythiong about it?
[05:58] <ogra> the have the packages on the CD afaik
[05:58] <ogra> no idea about the udeb
[05:58] <mhz> so far, my xubuntu tests for Edubuntu is working very well
[05:58] <mhz> oh
[05:58] <ogra> i'm totally not intrested in xubuntu tests
[05:58] <mhz> I am demoing dapper tomorrow, and I have set Xubuntu to look like edubuntu defaults (a bit)
[05:59] <ogra> sorryx, but i'm very disappointed, there was an overwhelming feedback when i asked for tests in the last meeting, now i'm left with it alone again
[05:59] <highvoltage> mhz: i know about it, i talked to janimo about xubuntu and tuxlabs
[05:59] <highvoltage> mhz: so he said he'll try to get ltsp in xubuntu
[05:59] <mhz> ogra: what you mean?
[05:59] <highvoltage> mhz: i think xubuntu does have the ltsp packages
[06:01] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, will find out after release
[06:01] <ogra> mhz, i'm just recovering from a 54h worksession i did last week and i wont get sleep the next two days again, since nobody of the people from last meeting who shouted they'd help today are here, so please bear me if i react a bit harsh atm on xubuntu catter
[06:01] <ogra> *chatter
[06:02] <highvoltage> ogra: i would be able to rsync to latest build overnight, would it help in any slightest bit if i do some testing on it tomorrow too? or will that not be of use?
[06:03] <ogra> btw, edubuntu-docs wont make it
[06:03] <ogra> there is no way to make it work with the liveCd
[06:03] <ogra> (apart from me not having time to fiddle with seeds)
[06:03] <ogra> highvoltage, *any* testing is helpful at this stage
[06:04] <mhz> ogra: no worries, I now see what you mean. And as I have not been in all last 10 meetings or so, I have been very disconected from what current needs are. So, if you think I can be of any help, just let me know, I wont dissapoint you.
[06:05] <ogra> mhz, its a more general disappointment on my side atm
[06:05] <ogra> not about anyone specifically
[06:06] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i'm starting the rsync now
[06:06] <highvoltage> gtg home (been at work for 11 hours)
[06:06] <highvoltage> mhz: will send that mail from home
[06:06] <highvoltage> ciao
[06:08] <jsgotangco> time to make use of CDRWs ;)
[06:12] <mhz> ogra: ok, but remeber it is very healthy to shout sometimes just to relax a bit
[06:13] <mhz> and if you think I can help, dont hesitate on telling me
[06:13] <ogra> that assumes you have a chance to relax
[06:13] <mhz> oh
[06:13] <mhz> hehehe
[06:13] <mhz> indeed
[06:14] <mhz> well, if Paris did not take place in such dates, you would have recieved an inviatition for FET in Chile, and then, we would have offered lots of ways for you to relax
[06:15] <mhz> including a Train that travels along the Wineyards route
[06:15] <mhz> nice girls serving food and wine on boards
[06:15] <mhz> -s
[06:17] <mhz> ogra: then, you say it is time to get a new image?
[06:18] <ogra> current dailies (apart from i386 live) should be fine
[06:19] <mhz> oh, then, need me to get i386 Live ?
[06:20] <ogra> no
[06:20] <ogra> everything else
[06:23] <mhz> Then, you mean, Mhz, just get AMD and i386 latest installs ?
[06:23] <ogra> everything but i386 live is ready for testing
[06:32] <jsgotangco> mhz: you can ask ogra for a ppc test unit if you want to
[06:32] <jsgotangco> ;)
[06:32] <jsgotangco> (not that we have lots of ppc users but hey)
[06:33] <ogra> we even had complaints about missing ppc-live in breezy :)
[06:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: ? "(not that we have lots of ppc users but hey)"
[06:36] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[06:37] <mhz> the only PPC I have is an oldworld wallstreet BUT it is either dead on MotherBoard or Processor
[06:37] <ogra> even in a few years they will be around as thin clients
[06:37] <mhz> and money is not enough to pay for parts and try :)
[06:37] <jsgotangco> mhz: time to roll out those 800MB CDs that you said before :P
[06:38] <mhz> oh, yeah, they work very well.
[06:39] <mhz> ohhh, maybe I can have faster download at my friend's cyber, anbd then test CD's there. IIRC they are x86 though
[06:44] <jsgotangco> pygi: are you finishing up the "needs mentor" stuff for SoC?
[06:45] <ogra> isnt that closed already ? 
[06:45] <pygi> jsgotangco, trying :)
[06:46] <jsgotangco> he's just cleanin up the empty fields of those qualified
[06:48] <pygi> ogra, 17:00 PDT time - locked
[06:48] <pygi> jsgotangco, congrats on mentoring :)
[06:48] <jsgotangco> thank you
[06:49] <pygi> jsgotangco, :)
[06:49] <pygi> make it the best :)
[06:50] <pygi> I am not sure about this application :-/
[06:50] <pygi> ogra, jsgotangco ...
[06:50] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=gregcig%40gmail.com%3A1261a8f9%3A5802a1fc
[06:50] <pygi> thoughts?
[06:50] <jsgotangco> checking
[06:51] <pygi> we don't even have a mentor for that :-/
[06:51] <pygi> and creating a completely new IDE?
[06:52] <jsgotangco> it looks very niche and isn't IDLE enough :/
[06:52] <pygi> jsgotangco, so advice on what should I do with it? :-/
[06:53] <jsgotangco> well if the applicant will be able to amend the proposal based on pitti's suggestion I guess its workable
[06:54] <pygi> jsgotangco, what about mentor?
[06:54] <jsgotangco> i cannot say...
[06:55] <pygi> ogra, poke? :)
[06:55] <pygi> I can't mentor 100 applications :-/
[06:55] <ogra> pygi, i dont have time for SoC crap this week, please dont poke me
[06:55] <pygi> ah
[06:56] <ogra> pygi, sorry, but we're all very busy getting the release done until tomorrow
[06:57] <pygi> ogra, yes, I am aware of that, no problem
[06:57] <pygi> jsgotangco, you have time ? 
[06:57] <pygi> I need thoughts on two more applications
[06:58] <jsgotangco> yes no problem
[06:58] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=matthew.isaacs%40gmail.com%3A166fb5ed%3Ac3ec1070
[06:58] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=brian.william.davis%40gmail.com%3A015516e7%3Aa0a2bd49
[07:01] <jsgotangco> i am indifferent to the xorg frontend
[07:02] <pygi> oki, and the other one?
[07:02] <jsgotangco> just reading now
[07:02] <jsgotangco> the xorg proposal is too much
[07:05] <jsgotangco> the gedit plugin is reasonable, however, how useful it would be for most users is questionable and as vuntz commented its better off as a gnome proposal
[07:05] <pygi> yea, but it wasnt applied to gnome...
[07:05] <pygi> we have one empty spot I believe for a good project, so...
[07:06] <jsgotangco> i'd go for the gedit plugin
[07:06] <pygi> and yea, wanted to ask you (I believe you might be good for that project mentoring) ...
[07:06] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=anselmolsm%40gmail.com%3A13fa67d5%3A4b6bb472
[07:08] <jsgotangco> hmm
[07:08] <jsgotangco> i like this
[07:09] <pygi> indeed, me too :)
[07:09] <pygi> that's why "bumping up" :)
[07:09] <jsgotangco> it would be nice to see it as part of pessulus in the future
[07:10] <jsgotangco> do you want me to bump it?
[07:10] <pygi> I would really like to see you mentor that
[07:10] <pygi> yup, you can bump it up as well
[07:11] <jsgotangco> i'd mentor it sure, im very much an epi person
[07:11] <pygi> oki, I'll try to help
[07:11] <pygi> :)
[07:12] <jsgotangco> i have to sleep though
[07:12] <jsgotangco> but yeah, i like the safety boat proposal
[07:13] <pygi> oki, sleep tight :)
[07:20] <mhz> ogra: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[07:20] <mhz> is there any sheet or form you need us to fill in?
[07:21] <mhz> cbx33: hi there
[07:21] <cbx33> mhz, I'm currently working on the testing report templates
[07:21] <mhz> cbx33: any form to fill in by users testind daily cds?
[07:21] <mhz> ooh, okis
[07:21] <cbx33> I'll be back in a few minutes and I'll have all the answers then :p
[07:21] <ogra> mhz, dunno, where does this page come from ? 
[07:21] <ogra> we should use Testing/Edubuntu 
[07:21] <cbx33> btw, the wiki seems to have died here:
[07:22] <mhz> ogra: well, it's you who created it: 2005-08-18 13:36:27
[07:22] <mhz> cbx33: "here:" ?
[07:27] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/ReportTemplate
[07:27] <cbx33> is the template we were considering using, I was going to work this up tonight ready for the week of testing
[07:28] <mhz> cbx33: you mean we can now use it?
[07:28] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/TestingPlan - needs work too
[07:28] <cbx33> mhz, feel fre to use it for submitting a report on testing the cd
[07:28] <mhz> cbx33: I can help on that those, after lunch, if you are ok with it
[07:28] <cbx33> sure
[07:28] <cbx33> gimme a few minuste and I'll be back ready to get on with it
[07:28] <ogra> please use what i mentioned above
[07:28] <mhz> cbx33: has been reporting bugs for Dapper for some time now
[07:29] <mhz> cbx33: sorrt, caravena 
[07:29] <ogra> its not the time to test the testing pages some hours before everything is locked down
[07:29] <mhz> ?
 we should use Testing/Edubuntu #
[07:30] <mhz> so... not needed? then what kind of "testing" you'd prefer ogra ?
[07:31] <mhz> ogra: the only match for Testing/Edubuntu I get is: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[07:31] <mhz> is that what you mean?
[07:31] <ogra> *SIGH*
[07:32] <mhz> sorry
[07:32] <ogra> use Testing/CurrentEdubuntu 
[07:32] <mhz> okis, then that it is
[07:32] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[07:32] <ogra> sorry, i'm merely annoyed, and the fact that all my media is broken desnt make it better
[07:32] <mhz> caravena: entonces, usamos https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[07:33] <ogra> cbx33, testing
[07:33] <caravena> mhz: ok
[07:33] <mhz> caravena: gracias
[07:33] <ogra> cbx33, all except i386 live needs urgent testing
[07:34] <cbx33> ogra, I can test AMD64 live tomorrow
[07:34] <ogra> ok, even that wont help much but do it then
[07:34] <cbx33> and can test i386 installs tomorrow too
[07:34] <ogra> i needed testers today archive will be locked soon
[07:34] <cbx33> if you're really pushed I can test the i386's installs
[07:35] <ogra> (as i said several times in the last meeting, where evrybody agreed)
[07:35] <cbx33> sorry ogra, you said all the next week, i took that to mean I could test tuesday
[07:35] <cbx33> as I'm off work today
[07:35] <cbx33> I'll get downloading
[07:35] <cbx33> normal place?
[07:35] <ogra> sure, but the important tests take place befor the archive is closed indeed (which will happen tomorrow)
[07:36] <cbx33> ok, so I'm goign for the daily install yes?
[07:36] <cbx33> make sure I get the right ones so i don;t screw up
[07:36] <ogra> yep
[07:37] <cbx33> I'm on it
[07:37] <ogra> thanks :)))
[07:38] <cbx33> I'll try to test all the different installs, is it just the installation procedure you need testing or do you want throrough app testing too?
[07:38] <ogra> youre one of the people in here with bandwith, so i really appreciate it
[07:38] <caravena> problem in link of download -> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[07:38] <cbx33> you know I try my best
[07:38] <caravena> Test Fligh5?
[07:38] <ogra> basic app testing like atrta atomix and play on elvel
[07:38] <ogra> *start
[07:38] <ogra> nope
[07:38] <ogra> daily live
[07:38] <cbx33> np ogra 
[07:38] <ogra> and daily install
[07:38] <cbx33> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[07:39] <ogra> (with an exception of i386 live currently)
[07:39] <cbx33> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:39] <cbx33> sorry
[07:39] <cbx33> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060522/
[07:40] <cbx33> ogra, preferably you want real installs but is VMware ok, then I can set two installing at once :p
[07:41] <cbx33> I'll wipe my current dapper off my laptop, install one on there ,but can test another in VMware too
[07:42] <caravena> VMware work in Dapper?
[07:42] <LaserJock> caravena: I think so
[07:43] <cbx33> I'll be running it in breezy, but it doesn't matter
[07:45] <caravena> cbx33: howto install vmware in Dapper? I problem in install vmware for kernel of Dapper (2.6.15-X)
[07:45] <cbx33> oh?
[07:45] <cbx33> if it can't find a kernel module it should compile it's own
[07:45] <caravena> (Sorry my english is very bad...)
[07:45] <cbx33> caravena, just download the tarball
[07:45] <cbx33> extract and run the installation
[07:46] <caravena> You version of vmware?
[07:46] <cbx33> hang on
[07:46] <cbx33> bear in mind I havn't tried it on dapper
[07:47] <cbx33> I would do, but I'm just about to destroy my dapper install so I can test these install cd
[07:47] <cbx33> caravena, just give it a go and shout if you get stuck....I have to test these CDs
[07:48] <caravena> cbx33: You version of vmware?
[07:48] <cbx33> build 22874
[07:48] <cbx33> there's probably a newer one out by now
[07:49] <caravena> 5.5?
[07:49] <cbx33> what build version is it?
[07:51] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[07:52] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[07:52] <highvoltage> i installed a local copy too, and it works fine
[07:52] <highvoltage> except that the 'search' button is empty
[07:52] <highvoltage> even my fancy url's work ;)
[07:53] <cbx33> oooh nice
[07:53] <cbx33> highvoltage, yes i noticed that about the search button too
[07:53] <cbx33> probably just a mismatched css style
[07:55] <cbx33> ogra, sorry to bug you, is a VMware install acceptable?
[07:57] <ogra> cbx33, *any* install is 
[07:58] <ogra> indeed real HW is preferred ;)
[07:58] <cbx33> I know, and I can do some more real isntalls tomorrow
[07:58] <cbx33> but now I have 2 machiens, one i don;t care about and the other with VMware
[07:58] <cbx33> so I can isntall two at once
[07:59] <cbx33> my bandwidth this month is 4.5G out of 30G so I have plenty left
[07:59] <cbx33> 20 mins left on the iso download :p
[08:00] <ogra> cbx33, use rsync in the future 
[08:00] <ogra> cbx33, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[08:00] <cbx33> I'm in a different place
[08:00] <cbx33> :p
[08:00] <ogra> run it with --help to see the option
[08:00] <cbx33> havn't downloaded any here before
[08:01] <cbx33> I've used that at work though
[08:07] <cbx33> ogra, on the testing matrix,
[08:08] <cbx33> are you after , when you say CD Installation, erase disk, any type of install, expert, server, OEM ???
[08:11] <cbx33> if I install the CD using the erase disk, in expert mode, can i check 2 boxes?
[08:11] <ogra> any you can do
[08:12] <cbx33> ogra, you know me bud I'll try and do them all if I can...Just can't test the DVD ones
[08:12] <cbx33> not at the moment anyway, don't have any media
[08:12] <ogra> dont worry
[08:13] <cbx33> where do we get the DVD's from anyway?
[08:13] <cbx33> I could probably test those tomorrow on VMWare
[08:13] <ogra> should be anywhere on cdimage
[08:13] <cbx33> ok
[08:14] <cbx33> and what is  CD/DVD winfoss
[08:14] <cbx33> running the CD under windows?
[08:14] <ogra> only the liveCD
[08:14] <ogra> and not intresting for us
[08:15] <cbx33> ok, I'll skip that then shall i?
[08:15] <ogra> we dont have it
[08:15] <cbx33> ok
[08:15] <ogra> indeed you can try to test it, but you wont have much luck
[08:16] <cbx33> the dvd is a day old
[08:16] <cbx33> will that be updated by tomorrow?
[08:17] <ogra> likely
[08:17] <ogra> i never tested the DVD
[08:17] <cbx33> I'll try and test it tomorrow for you
[08:17] <ogra> and i'll only do it if i find time before release
[08:17] <ogra> its not high prio
[08:18] <LaserJock> ogra: anything you need me to do? or is everything in good hands already?
[08:19] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:19] <ogra> nope, i'm looking for testers
[08:19] <ogra> everything is in my hands again as always ... :/
[08:19] <lucasvo> ogra: is there anything I can test without a fresh installation?
[08:19] <cbx33> lucasvo, probably not
[08:19] <ogra> ppc live/amd64 live
[08:19] <cbx33> :p
[08:20] <ogra> (i386 is broken until next build)
[08:20] <cbx33> if you still need amd live I can do it tomorrow
[08:20] <ogra> sure
[08:20] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, it's too bad you don't have another core-dev to help :(
[08:20] <ogra> all isos apart from i386 live
[08:20] <cbx33> ogra, I'll do what I can tonight, if you still need more just let me know your priorities and I'll download and test tomrrow at work
[08:20] <ogra> LaserJock, i dont need core devs to test isos :)
[08:21] <cbx33> ogra, needs some minions
[08:21] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, but you might to fix stuff that comes up in the tests ;-)
[08:21] <cbx33> and damn it if I'm not a minion
[08:21] <LaserJock> lol
[08:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, true
[08:22] <cbx33> but we'll just have to do what we can
[08:23] <cbx33> burning 2 cd's now
[08:23] <mhz_food> cbx33: re
[08:23] <ogra> LaserJock, thats trivial ...
[08:23] <ogra> the painfull stuff theer is the delay of the buildds
[08:23] <mhz> so, after reading... only fresh install testers are good
[08:23] <cbx33> mhz, yes
[08:23] <ogra> mhz, NO !
[08:24] <cbx33> :p
[08:24] <ogra> live testers are very appreciated
[08:24] <cbx33> I was kidding mhz 
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: but not i386 live :(
[08:25] <ogra> yes
[08:25] <cbx33> nope
[08:25] <ogra> until the next build is up
[08:25] <cbx33> is there going to be another build today?
[08:25] <ogra> during the next 4-6h, yes
[08:25] <cbx33> ok
[08:26] <LaserJock> I might be able to do that then :-)
[08:26] <cbx33> ogra, want me to verify all medai before installing?
[08:26] <ogra> as you like 
[08:26] <cbx33> np
[08:26] <ogra> not urgently needed
[08:27] <ogra> (seems i386 just installed fine here)
[08:27] <cbx33> ok
[08:27] <ogra> if you can install, the media was fine ;)
[08:27] <ogra> if you cant you can check the media
[08:28] <cbx33> ok
[08:28] <cbx33> burning disk 2
[08:28] <mhz> guys, please.... my english communication skills are VERY poor these days
[08:29] <mhz> cbx33: can you give me an "official notice"
[08:29] <cbx33> anything official comes from ogra 
[08:29] <cbx33> we need testing for i386 AMD64 PPC installs
[08:29] <cbx33> mhz, what machines fo you have to hand?
[08:30] <lucasvo> mhz: too bad one cannot share bandwith
[08:30] <cbx33> do you ahve and AMD64 or PPC machines>?
[08:30] <ogra> mhz, please test: dapper-install-powerpc.iso, dapper-install-amd64.iso  or dapper-install-i386.iso :)
[08:30] <lucasvo> mhz: I mean globally :)
[08:30] <mhz> not sure yet, I did not ask but I guess it will be those PIV stuff :(
[08:30] <ogra> mhz, or dapper-live-powerpc.iso and dapper-live-amd64.iso :)
[08:31] <mhz> cbx33: nope, but if those machines are PIV, they may have about 512 or 1 GHz of ram, so I may try virtual hardware 
[08:31] <mhz> ogra: thx, that is CLEAR english to my eyes
[08:32] <DeMoNSeEd> hello
[08:32] <mhz> hi, DeMoNSeEd 
[08:32] <DeMoNSeEd> hi, how ya been
[08:32] <DeMoNSeEd> hopefully you can help me oot
[08:33] <mhz> highvoltage: thx, just opening evince
[08:33] <mhz> oot?
[08:33] <highvoltage> oot?
[08:34] <DeMoNSeEd> i'm on Shipit, going to oder Dap, I want to oder Edubuntu as well as Ubuntu, i can't seem to find where to select it...oot irc slang for out
[08:34] <mhz> highvoltage: hmm DeMoNSeEd said "oot"
[08:35] <DeMoNSeEd> i thought Edubuntu was supposed to be one of the options
[08:35] <ogra> shipit.edubuntu.org has them for me
[08:35] <DeMoNSeEd> thanks ogra
[08:35] <lucasvo> W 13
[08:36] <cbx33> highvoltage, will the css theme be up soon?
[08:36] <DeMoNSeEd> i was going by what i seen on D.W
[08:36] <lucasvo> DeMoNSeEd: D.W?
[08:37] <DeMoNSeEd> Distrowatch
[08:37] <DeMoNSeEd> the way they have it written up, it's misleading
[08:37] <lucasvo> DeMoNSeEd: well, you can order Kubuntu cd's at shipit.kubuntu.org, ubuntu cds at shipit.ubuntu.org and edubuntu cds at shipit.edubuntu.org
[08:38] <DeMoNSeEd> k, i'll send a note later to Distrowatch, it would be clearer if he indicated that in the announcement
[08:39] <LaserJock> nice
[08:42] <DeMoNSeEd> thanks guys
[08:42] <DeMoNSeEd> bye
[08:42] <highvoltage> shees, you know you need some sleep when you start confusing distrowatch with baywatch
[08:42] <mhz> LaserJock: but oruntu might be to buggy :D
[08:42] <mhz> ogruntu
[08:43] <mhz> highvoltage: lol
[08:43] <cbx33> ogra is never buggy
[08:43] <mhz> well, cbx33 you may endup with a 'drunk' system :)
[08:44] <cbx33> not with ogra behind the wheel
[08:44] <ogra> heh, only occasionally :)
[08:44] <cbx33> ey captain ?
[08:44] <mhz> cbx33: so, okis, I am about to send email to -es and -cl people. They get the iso's, they install and then just submit to LP or wiki page?
[08:44] <ogra> (but not while driving ;) )
[08:44] <cbx33> my illusions have been shattered
[08:44] <cbx33> mhz, wiki page
[08:45] <mhz> okis
[08:45] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[08:45] <mhz> roger that
[08:45] <mhz> :D
[08:45] <cbx33> I'm just doing a normal Guided install
[08:45] <cbx33> and a Server Full erase install
[08:49] <mhz> (long ago)
[08:53] <cbx33> mhz, hindsight is a wonderful thing
[08:53] <mhz> cbx33: hindsight is an application?
[08:54] <cbx33> i wish it were....
[08:54] <cbx33> hindsight is realising how amazing something would have been if you'd done it along time ago
[08:55] <highvoltage> apt-cache search hindsight returns nothing
[08:55] <highvoltage> goodnight gang Edubuntu :)
[08:55] <ogra> ciao highvoltage 
[08:55] <highvoltage> ciao ogra!
[08:56] <mhz> cbx33: oh, i see.. yeah, wonderful and painful
[08:56] <mhz> ;)
[08:56] <mhz> cbx33: how can users test Moodel and Schooltool?
[08:56] <mhz> moodle
[08:57] <ogra> why should they test moodle
[08:57] <mhz> hmm, oh, just the install?
[08:57] <ogra> no, they can check schooltool
[08:57] <ogra> http://localhost:7080/ iirc
[08:59] <mhz> ogra: yup, 7080
[09:00] <ogra> grmbl 
[09:00] <ogra> the edubuntu firefox css is broken 
[09:01] <LaserJock> :/
[09:02] <ogra> only in the english page though
[09:02] <ogra> so who cares, i use german :P
[09:08] <mhz> ogra: well, my spanish environement gets me to a Firefox index-es-AR which is in english
[09:08] <ogra> thats ok
[09:08] <ogra> has it css ?
[09:09] <mhz> mdke said that you were the one to make it work :D I already have it translated into spanish.
[09:09] <mhz> hmm, I translated the text of it. I guess that is CSS independant as I did not touch that part
[09:19] <LaserJock> yikes, I just found 7 bugs filed against squeak-vm :(
[09:22] <ogra> 7 new ones ? 
[09:23] <ogra> we should subscribe edubuntu-bugs to squeak so we're aware of them in the future
[09:24] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:25] <LaserJock> they are mostly new
[09:28] <pygi> JaneW, poke
[09:30] <JaneW> hi pygi
[09:31] <pygi> JaneW, what is happening?
[09:31] <pygi> the emblems application dissapeared for a sec
[09:31] <pygi> and some weird things are happening
[09:31] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[09:31] <mhz> cbx33: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu says F5... is that correct? /me doubts it
[09:32] <JaneW> pygi: I am assigning and stuff
[09:32] <cbx33> that's wrong
[09:32] <pygi> JaneW, we just need mentor for "Improving emblems" and I would suggest we add that "Gedit plugin" instead of that "Samba config"
[09:32] <pygi> JaneW, ah,oki, saw my mail?
[09:32] <mhz> and if users edit such page... should we provide a diff syntaxis for them to use when talking about dailies?
[09:33] <cbx33> ogra normal guided and server erase disk are complete
[09:33] <ogra> cbx33, any bugs found ? 
[09:33] <cbx33> nope
[09:33] <cbx33> all installed without a hitch
[09:33] <cbx33> is that 4 i can tick off
[09:33] <Amaranth> so, uh, what should i do about willow?
[09:33] <Amaranth> the license info is a bit off
[09:34] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, you have one file you can use
[09:34] <Amaranth> heh
[09:34] <LaserJock> ogra: hehe, thanks ;-)
[09:35] <ogra> thansk for applying ;)
[09:36] <mhz> cbx33: so, D-0522 for Daily 0522? and keep Fx for normal Flights? or just use Fx and no need for D-MMdd?
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, if I were you,I would just start writing with a goal to be able to integrate the existing work if possible. Time is not that long
[09:38] <ogra> cbx33, can you also look around a bit and do things like starting firefox etc ...
[09:38] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: true but i'd rather not have to lose all that code
[09:38] <ogra> (i.e. the ff default css is broken)
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, is there any small piece you could do without needing contact from him?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> a pygtk control panel, say?
[09:39] <Amaranth> yeah, i suppose
[09:39] <JaneW> pygi: who wants to do the emblem one? It seems they think it should be upstream...?
[09:39] <Burgundavia> but you don't know any python, do you :P
[09:40] <ogra> Burgundavia, exactly, thats why he was selected for a python based proxy app ;) Google Summer of Learning ;)
[09:41] <pygi> JaneW, I am just trying to contact vuntz for that
[09:41] <pygi> do you know anyone else from gnome??
[09:41] <JaneW> pygi: yes, if he wants to mentor is within ubuntu fine, but he thinks it should be in Gnome
[09:42] <JaneW> jdub
[09:42] <pygi> oki, lemme poke him
[09:42] <Burgundavia> ogra, summer of flailing?
[09:43] <Amaranth> hahah
[09:43] <Burgundavia> ogra, what can we do to help you get ready for release?
[09:43] <ogra> Burgundavia, well, last time was rather the summer of failing ...
[09:43] <pygi> JaneW, oki, I am just talking with a gnome mentor
[09:43] <ogra> Burgundavia, test test test
[09:43] <Amaranth> I didn't know I had to be a snake charmer, this wasn't in the job description. ;)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> does that I actually have to download edubuntu?
[09:43] <ogra> iso install tests, iso live tests
[09:43] <ogra> yeah
[09:44] <JaneW> pygi: we need someons for Ubuntu/X/Gnome Display Configuration
[09:44] <LaserJock> ogra: is i386 live ok to test now?
[09:44] <pygi> JaneW, hm, what are we going to drop in favor of that?
[09:44] <ogra> LaserJock, there was no new edubuntu build yet afaik
[09:44] <cbx33> what is the standard install called?
[09:44] <cbx33> the fist option?
[09:44] <pygi> JaneW, we can drop currently Glaunchpad and that Samba config (so we put in that X display conf, and that gedit plugin?)
[09:44] <LaserJock> ogra: I see a daily for it on cdimages. is that wrong?
[09:44] <cbx33> that's not OEM is it?
[09:45] <ogra> Burgundavia, once you have your iso, use rsync (http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh might also help)
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ogra, yep
[09:45] <JaneW> pygi: oh wait I refreshed and now we are good
[09:45] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060522/dapper-live-i386.OVERSIZED  
[09:45] <ogra> LaserJock, ^^^
[09:45] <Burgundavia> ogra, you realize you are ruining my perfect reputation, no?
[09:46] <JaneW> pygi: except for emblems which we need to drop - or assign.
[09:46] <ogra> thats the lastest ... and apparently still broken :)
[09:46] <pygi> JaneW, well, we can still drop Glaunchpad and Samba in favor of those two I mentioned
[09:46] <pygi> JaneW, we can drop emblems
[09:46] <ogra> LaserJock, amd64 and ppc would be testable though
[09:46] <pygi> JaneW, it will be mentored by gnome
[09:46] <lucasvo> Glaunchpad???
[09:46] <lucasvo> sounds like GTK 
[09:46] <cbx33> ogra, is OEM the first option on the install list?
[09:46] <ogra> Burgundavia, i can keep quiet if needed
[09:46] <Burgundavia> ogra, lol
[09:46] <ogra> cbx33, where ?
[09:46] <cbx33> and where is workstation?
[09:46] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[09:47] <pygi> JaneW, lets drop emblems for now, and lets see where we stand
[09:47] <JaneW> pygi: we need someone for Ubuntu/X/Gnome Display Configuration
[09:47] <pygi> JaneW, hm, poke dholbach? :)
[09:48] <ogra> cbx33, thats just the ubuntu wikipage copied to edubuntu, just ignore modes not available
[09:48] <Burgundavia> pygi, you should take a look at system-config-xfree86 if you are going to do an X configurator
[09:48] <cbx33> ok, shall I add one for workstation?
[09:48] <pygi> Burgundavia, it's not my application :)
[09:48] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:48] <JaneW> pygi: he is nto around
[09:49] <cbx33> or modify the OEM to workstation?
[09:49] <pygi> JaneW, argh, assign to vuntz? :)
[09:49] <pygi> and btw. do we really want that application?
[09:49] <ogra> cbx33, oh, there is none for WS, right, modify it 
[09:49] <cbx33> ok
[09:49] <cbx33> do we have expert ?
[09:49] <ogra> yep
[09:50] <ogra> but to be honest, i wouldnt know if it even worked in breezy (never tested)
[09:50] <cbx33> ok cool
[09:50] <pygi> JaneW, I might also be of help to Brian Davis (that gedit plugin)
[09:50] <cbx33> bloody proxies
[09:51] <Burgundavia> cbx33, where are we at with ESA?
[09:51] <cbx33> jsgotangco noticed some typos
[09:51] <cbx33> probably ones that i fixed with the cahnges you didn't include
[09:52] <JaneW> pygi: well I'll asdsign whichever one gets a mentor's 'I will mentor this' mark
[09:52] <pygi> JaneW, you can assign me to that Gedit plugin
[09:52] <pygi> oki, it just got that mark :P
[09:52] <cbx33> as far as I'm concerened we're frozen
[09:53] <Burgundavia> cbx33, I think so to
[09:53] <cbx33> :)
[09:53] <cbx33> well done to all who worked on ESA
[09:53] <cbx33> I'll be moving it to drupal in the coming days
[09:54] <pygi> JaneW, oki, just one more question
[09:54] <pygi> are we going to leave that samba thing or are we going to put X conf instead?
[09:55] <pygi> *altought we don't have a real mentor for it*
[09:55] <JaneW> pygi: you have 3 now, you should hand one to dholbach if appropriate
[09:55] <JaneW> I think we can still shuffle after tomorrow
[09:55] <pygi> nah, I am fine with 3 if you are also :)
[09:55] <pygi> hm, why is this Pitti?
[09:56] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=b.ghose%40gmail.com%3Afa836539%3A9934be7c
[09:56] <pygi> shouldnt this be mvo?
[09:56] <JaneW> mvo has 3 already
[09:56] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[09:56] <cbx33> ogra, just starting off workstation-resize
[09:56] <cbx33> and expert-erase :D
[09:56] <pygi> JaneW, no need to take away any of applications to me
[09:56] <pygi> I am sure I'll be able to handle them, because those people are really great :)
[09:56] <JaneW> ok
[09:57] <pygi> thanks :)
[09:58] <LaserJock> ogra: is it ok if I assign edubuntu-bugs as an initial bug contact for squeak-* ?
[09:58] <ogra> LaserJock, yep
[09:58] <pygi> JaneW, and Michael has just one project, but nvm :)
[09:59] <JaneW> pygi: he did have 3
[09:59] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[09:59] <JaneW> earlier
[09:59] <pygi> JaneW, ah,ok :)
[10:00] <LaserJock> ogra: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs
[10:00] <pygi> as long as you don't take anything away from me, it's all good :)
[10:00] <ogra> LaserJock, oh, tuxpaint-stamps has an own sourcepackage ? 
[10:01] <pygi> bye now, I gotta run :)
[10:01] <pygi> Thank JaneW for all :)
[10:01] <JaneW> pygi: thanks for your help :)
[10:01] <pygi> JaneW, no need to thank me :)
[10:02] <pygi> enjoy :)
[10:02] <JaneW> see you tomorrow
[10:02] <LaserJock> ogra: looks like it. tuxpaint, tuxpaint-config, and tuxpaint-stamps
[10:03] <ogra> funny, i wasnt aware anymore (even though i wrote the inclusion report for it)
[10:03] <LaserJock> lol
[10:08] <ogra> LaserJock, heh, 36802 is funny
[10:09] <LaserJock> ogra: yes, he was on a bug reporting spree
[10:09] <ogra> LaserJock, i'm not sure we want 44952 before checking the packages either, thats edgy stuff
[10:09] <ogra> thats all very trivial stuff 
[10:10] <LaserJock> ogra: I agree, the only one that I'd like to fix for dapper is really the browser plugin
[10:10] <ogra> yep
[10:10] <ogra> and probably add the icon to the edu menu entry
[10:10] <LaserJock> I'm not sure why there is no icon
[10:11] <ogra> does it have two .desktop files ? or just one with two categories ?
[10:14] <LaserJock> ogra: it should have only one but that bug makes me wonder.
[10:16] <ogra> making it two will work in any case (even i have no idea if its the *right* way)
[10:16] <LaserJock> ok, so 1 desktop file is installed
[10:17] <LaserJock> but I have no idea why it wouldn't use the icon for one but not the other
[10:17] <LaserJock> s/wouldn't/would/
[10:17] <ogra> lets ask dholbach tomorrow, probably its a dh_iconcache prob
[10:18] <LaserJock> ok
[10:18] <LaserJock> in the mean time I'll try to figure out exactly where the plugin should go
[10:18] <ogra> its multiverse anyway, there is still plenty of time to upload
[10:21] <LaserJock> ogra: I think I can just symlink /usr/lib/squeak/3.7-7/npsqueak.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ but I want to make sure that is the proper way to do it
[10:22] <ogra> LaserJock, then you should ask iwj, i'm also not sure if npsqueak is built with firefox-dev or mozilla-dev
[10:23] <ogra> preferably it should be firefox-dev if that works
[10:25] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, there isn't any build-dep on them. I'm reading the plugin readme
[10:26] <LaserJock> it says you can run npsqueakregister to find what browsers are installed and do the proper symlinks
[10:29] <cbx33> ok seems to be some problmes on expert install
[10:29] <cbx33> it didn't build the LTSP root, is that usual ogra ?
[10:29] <ogra> thats possible
[10:30] <ogra> did you select the menu option explicitly ? 
[10:37] <cbx33> yes
[10:38] <cbx33> it also didn't appear to copy the 400Mb of extra pacakges to the HDD like it said
[10:38] <cbx33> want the install log
[10:39] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[10:39] <cbx33> here's where I'm at :p
[10:40] <ogra> nah, but the /var/log/installer/messages
[10:40] <ogra> (thats from the ltsp build)
[11:00] <cbx33> it's empty
[11:01] <ogra> hmm, if you try another expert install any time, make sure to switch to console 3 to see the output
[11:02] <cbx33> there was no output there
[11:02] <cbx33> I can try another tomorrow
[11:02] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[11:02] <ogra> hmm, on error *anywhere* ?
[11:02] <ogra> not even in the gui (console 1)
[11:02] <cbx33> there's 6 installs tested
[11:02] <cbx33> nope
[11:02] <cbx33> ogra, it just flashed up as if it had finished
[11:02] <ogra> hmm, thats really strange
[11:03] <cbx33> there was stuffon con 4
[11:03] <cbx33> ogra, I'm a little tired now, and my wife is ill, can i test tomorrow?
[11:03] <cbx33> would that be ok?
[11:03] <ogra> cbx33, you earn a bag of JaneW's virtual goldstars
[11:03] <ogra> really
[11:03] <ogra> thats wonderful work !
[11:03] <cbx33> np, I'll try to do as many of the others as I can tomorrow
[11:04] <cbx33> and convert the getting started guide to docbook
[11:04] <ogra> oh, and you dont need to test "server" it will disappear soon
[11:04] <ogra> (even its only a 10 min install :) )
[11:04] <cbx33> ok
[11:04] <cbx33> i tested server expert
[11:05] <cbx33> could that be the problem?
[11:05] <ogra> ah
[11:05] <ogra> not really
[11:05] <ogra> i'll have to look myself
[11:05] <cbx33> ok till tomorrow
[11:05] <cbx33> I'll see you later
[11:05] <ogra> will do that tomorrow, for today all important bugs that need uploads have to be fixed
[11:05] <cbx33> ok
[11:05] <cbx33> n guys
[11:05] <cbx33> nn
[11:05] <ogra> after tomorrow noon (i think) we'll have to beg for every upload
[11:06] <ogra> night and thanks a lot
[11:06] <ogra> you really made my day 1
[11:06] <cbx33> np ogra 
[11:06] <ogra> !
[11:06] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, ogra
[11:06] <cbx33> hopefully I can make tomorrows too :p
[11:14] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, I will play with patch just posted to ESA
[11:16] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: k
[11:21] <LaserJock> so is ESA being included in edubuntu-docs?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, probably too late
[11:22] <LaserJock> that's what I thought, wasn't sure what all edubuntu-docs contained though
[11:23] <ogra> LaserJock, we dont even have space for edubuntu-docs itself :(
[11:23] <ogra> the liveCD is oversized by 4M out of the blue 
[11:23] <Burgundavia>  after we dump kdeedu, what kind of space savings does that get us?
[11:23] <ogra> (since saturday, it was fine before)
[11:24] <ogra> Burgundavia, i'll drop it for testing in the first edgy week
[11:24] <LaserJock> ogra: :/
[11:24] <Burgundavia> cool
[11:31] <ogra> Burgundavia, also we'll have a heavy fight with sabdfl if we really want to drop it ... he promotes edubuntu as "the distro that merges all desktops to get the best out of them for education"
[11:31] <ogra> s/all/both
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:32] <Burgundavia> the gtk education app scene is pretty laclustre, tbh
[11:33] <Burgundavia> has pitti ever said anything about pygame/sdl?
[11:33] <Burgundavia> I seem to remember him not being happy about the idea of supporting them
[11:35] <ogra> not that i remember (but my mind is pretty short today)
[11:35] <Burgundavia> because pygame opens up childsplay and bunch of stuff up to us
[11:36] <ogra> i'm not sure childsplay is a good idea 
[11:36] <ogra> its as big as gcompris and does nothing different 
[11:36] <ogra> looks like duplication to me
[11:37] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:37] <Burgundavia> but bdoin does not want to pull in pygame, hence childsplay
[11:38] <ogra> yep
[11:38] <ogra> but we can only ship one 50MB app for kids 
[11:38] <Burgundavia> anyway, lets talk about it post dapper
[11:38] <ogra> (give LaserJock a chance with his science stuff man :) )
[11:40] <Burgundavia> heh
[11:40] <Burgundavia> an idea might to go beyond one disk
[11:40] <Burgundavia> have the one core disk for a basic installer and a few apps
[11:40] <Burgundavia> secondary disks for specific needs, such as science or math
[11:41] <ogra> not sure i can convince our marketing that we need to press two CDs :)
[11:42] <Burgundavia> just an idea
[11:42] <ogra> (and nope, DVD isnt an alternative :) )
[11:42] <Burgundavia> the subsequent cds would only be for specific cds
[11:42] <Burgundavia> things, even
[11:43] <ogra> yup, i understand, but since shipit thats not as easy as it was before 
[11:43] <LaserJock> I think having good meta-packages should work fairly well. I'm not sure what kind of connections most schools have though
[11:43] <Burgundavia> ya
[11:43] <ogra> we schoul probably have jigdo files or something to make it easy to build meta CDs
[11:43] <Burgundavia> realistically, we need to partner with educational foundations/school boards and get them to help us get Edubuntu tothem
[11:43] <LaserJock> ogra: can we provide a non-shipit cd?
[11:44] <LaserJock> or does Canonical not want to do that?
[11:44] <ogra> not sure, we can probably have a second CD for download 
[11:45] <ogra> i dont know whats needed in debian-cd to make that work
[11:45] <ogra> brb, reboot
[11:46] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, as long as the system works with the need for a 2nd cd, I don;'t see any issue
[12:00] <LaserJock> well, I hope we can use just 1 install cd, but I do think that Universe is a pretty untapped resource for Edubuntu
[12:04] <Kulissenschieber> hi
[12:04] <Kulissenschieber> got a little story for you
[12:04] <Kulissenschieber> a couple of weeks ago, a principal requested me to check 5 contributed pc's, and to install win 2000 - (for free, cause my daughter visited this school )
[12:04] <Kulissenschieber> i agreed - but i asked him for a presentation on the next school-conference
[12:05] <Kulissenschieber> 3 hours ago i start the pc and the beamer
[12:05] <Kulissenschieber> first i showed them, what is win 2000 able to do
[12:05] <Kulissenschieber> then i restart
[12:05] <Kulissenschieber> they don't know about edubuntu before
[12:05] <ogra> :)
[12:05] <Kulissenschieber> know they know it
[12:05] <ogra> and did they like it ?
[12:05] <ogra> :)
[12:06] <Kulissenschieber> sure
[12:06] <ogra> Kulissenschieber, wher in germany are you ?
[12:07] <Kulissenschieber> near heilbronn
[12:07] <Kulissenschieber> bw
[12:07] <ogra> ah
[12:08] <ogra> i'm shuttling between blankenheim/eifel and kassel currently ...
[12:08] <ogra> so i'm often near heilbronn 
[12:08] <ogra> for some value of "near" :)
[12:08] <Kulissenschieber> :)
[12:09] <Kulissenschieber> so you know koblenz
[12:09] <ogra> and there is some IT guy from mannheim who is intrested as well in running edubuntu on BW schools (still havent found the time to answer him)
[12:10] <ogra> yup, sure i know koblenz
[12:11] <Kulissenschieber> did my alternative service on festung ehrenbreitstein, youth hostel
[12:13] <Kulissenschieber> who is this it guy - has a nick on irc?
[12:18] <ogra> nope
[12:18] <ogra> i only have his mail address, i'll invite him to the channel and mailing list though
[12:20] <Kulissenschieber> good idea - maybe we can help us
[12:20] <ogra> yep
[12:21] <ogra> the edubuntu-de channle could also need some more life :)
[12:21] <LaserJock> there is an edubuntu-de channel?
[12:21] <ogra> yep
[12:21] <ogra> like there is an -es channel :)
[12:21] <LaserJock> figures, you Germans are everywhere
[12:22] <ogra> but usually lucasvo, juliux and me just idle there
[12:22] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe I can try some German on you guys some time
[12:22] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, lets face it. Linux is much bigger on the other side of the pond
[12:22] <ogra> once a month we have an occasional visitor or someone who just mistyped the channel name :)
[12:22] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:23] <Burgundavia> the number of people who don't read the /topic or what a mailing list is about is stunning
[12:23] <ogra> yep
[12:24] <ogra> i find that /topic thing quite significan ...
[12:24] <ogra> t
[12:24] <Burgundavia> doc team seems to get more than most
[12:24] <LaserJock> I find it amazing what MLs people post asking for help to
[12:25] <LaserJock> launchpad-users get a fair amount too
[12:26] <LaserJock> sometimes I want to ask people why they post to the MLs they do just so I can figure it out
[12:27] <Burgundavia> there was just one that came to lp-uers
[12:30] <Burgundavia> ogra, have you seen an recent numbers of # of IP's hitting ntp.ubuntu.com?
[12:31] <ogra> nope
[12:31] <ogra> i have never seen *any* numbers for ntp 
[12:31] <Burgundavia> last I heard was at UBZ and it was about 3million unique
[12:32] <ogra> all i know is that this morning already more than 3500 edubuntu CDs were ordered ;)
[12:32] <ogra> another reboot ... brb
[12:32] <pips1> ogra, sorry, I didn't understand that testing is needed *today* and not whole week :-( (I just started downloading amd64 text installer iso)
[12:33] <ogra> pips1, we'll lock the archive tomorrow ... testing *is* needed the whole week, but today was presumably my last *free to upload* day to fix up stuff without begging for every line i changed
[12:33] <ogra> brb
[12:44] <pips1> ogra, I'm happy to test an amd64 ltsp server right now, but I only started dowloading that iso and with my bandwith it'll take me 2 h download :-( how does that rsync thing work? can I "update" my flight6 iso sitting on my hard disk with that?
[12:47] <ogra> pips1, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[12:47] <ogra> run ./rsyncer --help to see the options
[12:47] <ogra> err
[12:48] <ogra> ./rsyncer. --help to see the options
[12:48] <ogra> grr
[12:48] <ogra> ./rsyncer.sh --help indeed
[12:49] <pips1> ogra, ok
[12:58] <pips1> ogra, errr I'm trying to figure out your rsyncer.sh skript... I chmod +x it and copied it into the folder with a edubuntu-6.06-beta2-live-powerpc.iso and ran ./rsyncer.sh does nothing?
[12:59] <ogra> first "mkdir edubuntu" in that folder
[12:59] <pips1> did that
[12:59] <pips1> (sorry forgot to mention that)
[01:00] <ogra> then mv edubuntu-6.06-beta2-live-powerpc.iso edubuntu/edubuntu-live-powerpc.iso
[01:00] <pips1> ah!
[01:00] <ogra> the ./rsyncer.sh --help
[01:00] <ogra> (it will download/rsyncv *all* isos if you dont give any options
[01:01] <pips1> but only those in the dir where I call rsyncer.sh right?
[01:03] <ogra> nope in the distro subdirs (edu/k/ubuntu
[01:03] <ogra> )
[01:06] <pips1> right, got you. however, how do I know it actually does anything? if it actually works, the process should run in the forground of that shell, no? also ps aux | grep "rsyncer" gives nothing?
[01:08] <ogra> hmm
[01:09] <pips1> maybe I should just continue downloading the whole .iso? (is there a cut off time for that freeze "tomorrow" (or rather today)?)
[01:10] <ogra> no idea, its all up to mdz
[01:10] <pips1> ic
[01:10] <pips1> okay, I'll continue with the whole iso download :-/
[01:11] <ogra> you can debug the script by setting the "set -e" line to "set -ex"
[01:11] <ogra> it will spill a lot output then
[01:15] <ogra> pips1, ah
[01:15] <ogra> i forgot
[01:15] <pips1> what?
[01:15] <ogra> you need ./rsyncer.sh --create edubuntu 
[01:15] <pips1> I was just about to try the -ex
[01:15] <pips1> oh
[01:15] <ogra> :)
[01:16] <ogra> (probably stop it and add --flavor live --arch powerpc ;) )
[01:16] <pips1> ok
[01:17] <ogra> else it will download everything it can grab
[01:17] <ogra> :)
[01:17] <pips1> ok, did that. it's now doing its magic :-)
[01:18] <ogra> great :)
[01:18] <ogra> its easier than having to remember the rsync commands and urls all the time
[01:19] <pips1> ic... I haven't used rsync before
[01:20] <pips1> hmm, still gives me download time of about 2:20 
[01:21] <pips1> (79.74kB/s)
[01:21] <ogra> that rises and falls 
[01:21] <ogra> and beta2 is already pretty old
[01:21] <pips1> ah
[01:21] <ogra> but it should save you 1-200MB
[01:22] <pips1> I hope it's more in the region of 200MB ;-)
[01:22] <pips1> (I wish I had more bandwith, but who doesn't)
[01:23] <ogra> i'm fine with the 2M in my new house
[01:23] <pips1> woah
[01:23] <pips1> are you going to be up most of the night?
[01:23] <ogra> (even i'll upgrade to SDSL 4M if i moved all my hardware)
[01:24] <pips1> cool !
[01:24] <ogra> nope, i wanted to actually do some RL stuff for 1-2h and get some sleep 
[01:24] <pips1> RL?
[01:24] <ogra> real life :)
[01:25] <pips1> hehe
[01:27] <pips1> well, I see what I can do re testing tonight, but you might only have my feedback after mr. mdz's freeze ...
[01:27] <pips1> :-/
[01:30] <ogra> thats fine 
[01:31] <ogra> if we find reasonable bugs, we can ask for valid updates :)
[01:31] <ogra> its just a bit more discussion involved and every line get reviewed
[01:32] <pips1> alright
[01:35] <pips1> I wasn't able to sleep, that's when I remembered I should download a daily and then I read your plea for testing in the irc logs :-) however I'm actually quite knackered, so I might go to bed at some point. But i'll definitely put some time into testing this week :-)
[01:36] <ogra> thanks a lot :)
[01:36] <pips1> :)
[01:54] <Laser_away> has anybody done a sort of "dual boot" with Windows on the thin client hard drive and then a LTSP Edubuntu server?
[02:08] <bimberi> Laser_away: I have a windows98 / Edubuntu LTSP Server dualboot which I connect to from my PXE capable laptop as a thin client (it has XP/UbuntuBreezy/UbuntuDapper tri-boot on its HDD)
[02:09] <bimberi> Laser_away: so the laptop tries to PXE boot first, i just hit escape and it goes into GRUB
[02:10] <Laser_away> bimberi: cool, thanks
[02:10] <bimberi> Laser_away: yw :)
[02:11] <jsgotangco> ogra: that rsync script is a real timesaver thanks
[02:11] <jsgotangco> (although i didnt read the --help and i got to download all arches lol
[02:13] <bimberi> jsgotangco: Is it publicly available?
[02:13] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[02:13] <bimberi> jsgotangco: ah, tyvm :)
[02:13] <jsgotangco> read --help first lol
[02:13] <jsgotangco> or else it'll touch all arches
[02:14] <bimberi> jsgotangco: lol, yes i gathered that
[02:57] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[02:58] <jsgotangco> hi
[07:40] <cbx33> boo
[07:40] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[07:40] <cbx33> hi 
[07:40] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[07:41] <cbx33> thanks for those screenshots
[07:41] <HedgeMage> np :)
[07:41] <HedgeMage> btw, how do I show a graphic in a wiki article? I have the ones to add to my install thing but can't find an example of how to do it
[07:41] <cbx33> i managed to get that all done
[07:41] <HedgeMage> (didn't look too hard, I'm trying to juggle a lot right now)
[07:41] <cbx33> ok
[07:41] <HedgeMage> cool :)
[07:41] <cbx33> that's easy
[07:42] <HedgeMage> good :)
[07:42] <cbx33> have you attached it
[07:42] <HedgeMage> (hubby got hurt at work, and I'm trying to keep things together here while keeping up on my FOSS stuff)
[07:42] <cbx33> look for the dropdown next to edit up top
[07:43] <cbx33> yikes he ok?
[07:43] <HedgeMage> nope, I plan to use the ones from highvoltage's "getting started" page so I wasn't sure if I should just link to them since they're already up
[07:43] <cbx33> you can do
[07:43] <HedgeMage> It's not life-threatening or anything, but they are trying to keep him from getting medical care :(
[07:43] <HedgeMage> long, messy story :(
[07:43] <cbx33> yikes
[07:43] <HedgeMage> (He's in the US Army so he can only see medical personnel the unit assigns)
[07:44] <cbx33> you can link...  attachment:page/filename.ext
[07:44] <cbx33> i think
[07:44] <HedgeMage> I'll try one in a bit, I'm working on cleaning and topping off the fish tank while I IRC :)
[07:44] <cbx33> heheh
[07:45] <HedgeMage> I cannot begin to tell you how tired I am tonight...
[07:45] <HedgeMage> sorry, I don't mean to be mopey
[07:45] <cbx33> it's ok
[07:45] <HedgeMage> thanks :)
[07:45] <cbx33> i was all mopey the other night
[07:46] <HedgeMage> I really hope I get a good job soon so he can take a medical discharge if they offer it.
[07:46] <cbx33> getting all depressed about my job
[07:46] <HedgeMage> awww, what (is/was) wrong?
[07:46] <HedgeMage> hi highvoltage your ears must have been ringing :)
[07:46] <cbx33> i work at a school need i say more?
[07:46] <HedgeMage> I was just talking about you.
[07:46] <HedgeMage> cbx33: heh, nope, especially if it's a US school
[07:47] <cbx33> UK
[07:47] <cbx33> they have no respect for equipment 
[07:47] <HedgeMage> don't know much about your system except that it's supposedly better than ours. (what isn't?)
[07:47] <cbx33> heheh, don't know if i agree with that
[07:48] <cbx33> right i'm off to work
[07:48] <HedgeMage> see you later :)
[07:49] <HedgeMage> (and thanks for listening to me mope)
[07:49] <cbx33> see you soon hedgemage
[07:49] <cbx33> np, i'm always here
[07:49] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: it must have?
[07:49] <highvoltage> hi HedgeMage 
[07:49] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ah :)
[07:49] <HedgeMage> just mentioned that I was going to borrow the screenies from gettingstarted for my install chapter in the cookbook
[07:50] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[07:50] <cbx33> highvoltage, just to let you know, i'm hopefully converting gettingstarted to docbook today ;p
[07:50] <cbx33> bbl bye
[07:50] <highvoltage> yay
[07:51] <highvoltage> bye
[08:50] <cbx33> hey all
[08:50] <HedgeMage> wb cbx33 
[08:50] <HedgeMage> :)
[08:51] <cbx33> ogra: still want AMD64 live tested
[08:51] <Burgundavia> cbx33, ESA is all yours
[08:52] <cbx33> I see the changes from Laser_away 
[08:52] <cbx33> and bimberi 
[08:53] <bimberi> hey cbx33
[08:53] <cbx33> thanx for the changes
[08:54] <bimberi> np :) - thanks for the quick response Burgundavia
[08:54] <cbx33> i was sleeping :p
[08:55] <bimberi> yeah yeah :P
[08:55] <Burgundavia> bimberi, np. good to put a name to an irc nick
[08:55] <cbx33> the name is actually really familiar to me and I don;t know why
[08:57] <bimberi> cbx33: i understand the Symons' came from Cornwall - so there's probably a few still over there
[09:02] <cbx33> ahh
[09:02] <cbx33> yes but it's your full name that is familiar
[09:03] <jsgotangco> cbx33: just test whatever you can
[09:05] <bimberi> cbx33: must be someone else, i try to keep a low profile :)
[09:05] <cbx33> heheh
[09:22] <Yagisan> G'day all
[09:23] <Yagisan> cbx33: jsgotangco: too busy to test ?
[09:23] <jsgotangco> have been busy lately i have it installed but really didnt play
[09:24] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: no issues you noticed ?
[09:24] <jsgotangco> nah, it ran well on my setup
[09:24] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: that's good to know :)
[09:25] <jsgotangco> i just didnt get enough time at th emoment to actually push the settings and see how it fares
[09:34] <cbx33> sorry Yagisan  tested 6 edubuntu installs last night
[09:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: 6! don't you have a life :-P
[09:40] <cbx33> hehe
[09:40] <cbx33> hehe ogra was short of testers
[09:40] <cbx33> I have some more to do today
[09:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: have fun
[09:47] <cbx33> hehe
[09:47] <cbx33> that's very precise - 
[09:48] <Yagisan> cbx33: he was weighed yesterday so we could work out how much antibiotics to give him
[09:48] <Yagisan> cbx33: the doctor asked me to estimate his weight first
[09:48] <Yagisan> I was 100 grams off
[09:59] <HedgeMage> hi there
[09:59] <HedgeMage> :)
[09:59] <Yagisan> G'day HedgeMage. Bub didn't like that
[10:00] <HedgeMage> awww, crabby munchkin?
[10:00] <Yagisan> HedgeMage:  very right now
[10:00] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: he's unwell
[10:00] <HedgeMage> :(
[10:00] <HedgeMage> what's wrong?
[10:01] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: he caught something and is wheezing and coughing, and being a right pain in the arse
[10:01] <HedgeMage> awww
[10:02] <cbx333> jsgotangco: you still around?
[10:06] <HedgeMage> you two have my sympathy... sick babies are hard on both the babies and the people caring for them
[10:07] <HedgeMage> speaking of which... have you tried giving the baby some tea with hibiscus flowers in it?  (babies usually favor fruit or mint teas as they have a light taste)
[10:07] <HedgeMage> that tends to help with painful wheezing over time
[10:08] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: no. he is still only on baby formula.
[10:08] <HedgeMage> most of the popular herbal tea brands have at least a flavor or two with hibiscus flowers in them
[10:08] <HedgeMage> ahh okay
[10:08] <HedgeMage> I thought he was a wee bit older
[10:08] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: heh - many people that meet him think so too
[10:08] <Yagisan> he's huge!
[10:09] <HedgeMage> then again, TT was a piglet... breastmilk and/or formula didn't last long for him... he started on baby foods very early
[10:09] <Yagisan> he is almost as big as his sister
[10:09] <HedgeMage> it must run in the family, mom says my kid brother and I did the same thing
[10:09] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:09] <HedgeMage> how old is his sister again? 2 IIRC?
[10:10] <Yagisan> I'd like to start him on food, once he can sit up
[10:10] <Yagisan> yes, she is 2
[10:10] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:12] <HedgeMage> lol :)
[10:13] <Yagisan> now someone wants me to make apple universal binaries from it too
[10:13] <HedgeMage> the projects never end :)
[10:13] <HedgeMage> I'm struggling to finish up the extra edubuntu-cookbook stuff I took on between everything else
[10:14] <Yagisan> how the hell do they expect me to do that ?? I don't even have a mac! darwin doesn't seem close enough (and, well, it and openbsd tie for most crap install routine)
[10:15] <HedgeMage> Tell them you'll do it when they buy you a mac? ;P
[10:17] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: could be worse, no one has asked for an OS/2 port yet
[10:18] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:19] <HedgeMage> (j/k)
[10:19] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: sure, you port autotools first ;)
[10:19] <HedgeMage> hehehe
[10:20] <cbx333> HedgeMage: I could be open for proofing later
[10:20] <HedgeMage> what are you writing a configure script for anyhow?
[10:21] <cbx333> just converting getting started to docbook
[10:21] <HedgeMage> cbx333: sweet.
[10:21] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: what other niche OS would be an amusing port ?
[10:21] <HedgeMage> cbx333: not sure if I'll have anything new up by then, though... I'm trying to get some dishes washed and such before I go to bed... it's 1:20 am here
[10:22] <HedgeMage> cbx333: thanks to hubby getting hurt I am *so* behind
[10:22] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: hmmm
[10:22] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: hurt ??
[10:24] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: he got messed up at work, nothing life-threatening or anything
[10:24] <HedgeMage> that's why I haven't been around the past few days
[10:25] <HedgeMage> he had two medical problems they wouldn't let him go to the medic for, and they finally pushed it too far. :(
[10:26] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: that's shit news :(
[10:26] <cbx333> ping ogra 
[10:26] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: yeah, I'm very angry about it, but there's really nothing we can do
[10:27] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: military job IIRC ?
[10:27] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: they're supposedly going to allow him to go to the troop medic tomorrow, but we don't know if they'll just put him on profile for a week again, or let him see a doctor
[10:27] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: yep, US Army
[10:27] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I take it he has a combat role then.
[10:28] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: idiots should have sent him to the medic
[10:28] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: Nope, he's in communications (computer networking and repairing radios and GPS systems)
[10:28] <HedgeMage> but, he's in a line unit which means he does the same workouts and drills as the combat folks
[10:28] <HedgeMage> and travels with them, etc.
[10:28] <HedgeMage> he's not a noncombatent
[10:29] <HedgeMage> just a "support MOS"
[10:29] <HedgeMage> but, he used to be airborne / air assault... that's where his knee and leg problems come from... too many hard landings
[10:29] <HedgeMage> :(
[10:30] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: my wife didn't want me to join the Army here. Before I started my business they had some interesting IT roles that I would have liked
[10:30] <HedgeMage> The other branches in the US aren't awful, but there's a reason that the Army is having to hire civilian contractors to do any job that requires a brain.
[10:31] <HedgeMage> They want everyone to make every physical standard and never need medical care, and they use up people and break them.
[10:31] <HedgeMage> sorry, unneccessary rant
[10:32] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: no, that's ok. If they keep that up, they won't have much of an Army left though
[10:32] <HedgeMage> they don't
[10:32] <cbx333> ok, any doccers out there, I just sent a mail to the list with the getting started guide
[10:33] <HedgeMage> the US is relying on our reserve army constantly, and if things get spread much thinner, they will call up inactive reserves, and then head for a draft.
[10:33] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: yeah, I noticed our Army reserve has been called up too
[10:34] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: not enough to do what we need to do here, and in Afghanistan and Iraq.
[10:34] <HedgeMage> you're in Aussieland, right?
[10:34] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: yep
[10:35] <HedgeMage> just checking, it gets hard to keep track sometimes :)
[10:35] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: that's what the 51st state now
[10:35] <HedgeMage> lol
[10:35] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: our PM has his head so far up Bushes arse, it's not funny
[10:36] <HedgeMage> heh
[10:36] <cbx333> Yagisan: yours as well
[10:36] <cbx333> ?
[10:36] <cbx333> :p
[10:36] <Yagisan> cbx333: I'm not a pom!
[10:36] <HedgeMage> don't blame me, I didn't vote for him!  either time.
[10:36] <HedgeMage> :P
[10:38] <HedgeMage> Though, he's one of many reasons I've lately considered getting involved in politics again.
[10:38] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: why did we go to Iraq ? wait I know, because Shrub had a vendetta against another nutjob, and JH though we could use that to sell wheat to the USA. What happened ? We all get screwed.
[10:39] <HedgeMage> It seems all the decent people get fed up and get out like I did... and look what we're left with.
[10:40] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: Afghanistan, I understand why they went. I don't understand why they left after a half-arsed job, to start another war.
[10:41] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I can't comment on war-related stuff... if you care to hear my reasons feel free to PM me :)
[10:42] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: you know, if they ran a business like that, they'd be filing for bankruptcy
[10:42] <HedgeMage> I will, however, be glad to rant about any non-war-related screw-up of our current president until they shuffle us off to -offtopic ;)
[10:43] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: yes. have you also noticed he acts *just like* the people he claims are religious fanatics ?
[10:43] <HedgeMage> we could start with how he's raped public education, and then move on to the economic stuff, invasions of privacy, and so on and so forth...
[10:43] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: A long time ago
[10:44] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: when he was still govorner of Texas he tried to have my religion made a crime under military law
[10:44] <HedgeMage> actually, a whole class of religions
[10:45] <HedgeMage> he's constantly trying to legislate religion into education and medical laws.
[10:45] <cbx333> if I have an email to send to ubuntu-doc mailing list, ad it's BIG, ie it includes images....what should I do?
[10:45] <cbx333> it's bounced and said waiting for approval
[10:46] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I know. the scary thing is, John Howard is coping him
[10:46] <cbx333> should I cancel it and link to an upload of the file?
[10:46] <HedgeMage> he's spoken out against religious freedom (in the name of religion of all things) many times.
[10:46] <HedgeMage> cbx333: that might be easiest.  it's what I'd do
[10:46] <cbx333> ok
[10:47] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: Texas, the state that the Shrub is from, is where I was living when a preacher tried to beat me to a miscarriage for not sharing his religion, and the police outright refused to come.
[10:48] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: you sound like you have an interesting religion. I'm an Atheist myself, and my wife is a Buddhist.
[10:48] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: just to give you an idea of what he thinks is "normal"
[10:48] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: WTF!!
[10:48] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I'm FT pagan (that is a generic term meaning I follow a path handed down in my family, that doesn't really exist elsewhere)
[10:49] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: someone knock the shit out of the preacher ?
[10:49] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: a kind neighbor ran him off with a shotgun
[10:49] <HedgeMage> only reason TT lived to be born
[10:50] <HedgeMage> mind you, this was a *christian* preacher, you know, the religion that thinks abortion is a mortal sin... I can't help but goggle at the irony
[10:50] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: IIRC doesn't "pagan" basically mean not a christian
[10:50] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I'd have shot him myself
[10:50] <HedgeMage> "pagan" means not an abrahamic religion... basically anything other than Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and Satanism is pagan
[10:51] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: woot. so I'm a pagan too ;)
[10:51] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:52] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I've pretended to be a Satanist a few times. I got sick of Jehovah's witnesses knocking on my door
[10:53] <HedgeMage> ROFL I've done it too
[10:53] <HedgeMage> what's funny is that I have a friend who's a Satanist (one of the non-scary branches) so I know just enough to fake it really really convincingly
[10:53] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I'd see them coming and answer the door bare-chested with a pentagram in red food colouring on my chest,
[10:54] <HedgeMage> ROFL
[10:54] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I just went for theatrics
[10:54] <HedgeMage> that's hilarious
[10:54] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:54] <jsgotangco> cbx333: sorry i was just in a meeeting
[10:54] <cbx333> jsgotangco: np
[10:54] <cbx333> just emailed the list
[10:54] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: my wife says I should have been an actor, because I can do stuff like that so deadpan serious
[10:55] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: When I was in college, I was really mean... I'd offer to listen to them discuss their religion for as many minutes as they'd listen to me discuss mine... I actually created a couple of doubters :D
[10:55] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I'd like it when the morons would come
[10:55] <HedgeMage> Hubby's way nicer than I am... he listens to them, waits for them to leave, and throws away whatever tripe they gave him to read
[10:56] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: they actually speak rather well. We'd talk about anything except their religion.
[10:56] <HedgeMage> I have no problem with sane, respectful people of any religion... it's the ones who want to convert the world (by lethal force if needed) that peeve me off
[10:57] <cbx333> in relief
[10:57] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: I agree.
[10:57] <HedgeMage> cbx333: uploaded, linked, and sent?
[10:57] <cbx333> I though HedgeMage was going to come knocking on my door then
[10:57] <HedgeMage> rofl
[10:57] <cbx333> HedgeMage: yes
[10:57] <cbx333> I can totally understand where you're coming from, and agree that there are some scarily "bad" chrisitans out there
[10:58] <cbx333> who totally don't get the point across or have any compassion for peole of different faiths
[10:58] <Yagisan> cbx333: I see them in all religions
[10:58] <cbx333> Yagisan: what bad chrisitan hindus?
[10:58] <HedgeMage> cbx333: my mom is Christian (Roman Catholic, to be specific)... so is most of my extended family.  I never understood the enmity my fellow pagans had for Christianity until I lived in Texas.  (note, among other things, the attempted murder of my unborn child by a Christian preacher mentioned above)
[11:00] <cbx333> I just try and be nice to people, if they want to ask about my faith I have no problem talking about it
[11:00] <HedgeMage> cbx333: the problem is, IMHO, that in any religion with enough members to get noticed, the psycho extremests are the loudest, and thus the ones outsiders tend to notice the most.
[11:00] <Yagisan> cbx333: intolerance of others religions. I live in a very Muslim area. So many of them are pissed off if I kiss my wife in public
[11:00] <HedgeMage> ouch.
[11:00] <cbx333> yikes
[11:00] <cbx333> well...
[11:01] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:01] <mdeboer> did i just join edubuntu or relibuntu? ;-)
[11:01] <HedgeMage> LOL
[11:01] <Yagisan> I tell them if they don't like it to go back to Lebanon.
[11:01] <cbx333> mdeboer: hehe
[11:01] <Yagisan> mdeboer: welcome to religious education
[11:01] <cbx333> Yagisan: ah, diplomatic as a always :p
[11:01] <HedgeMage> mdeboer: have you ever known us to stay on-topic long without JaneW and highvoltage here brandishing bullwhips?
[11:02] <Yagisan> cbx333: fuck that. damm boat people :-P
[11:02] <mdeboer> :-)
[11:02] <cbx333> hehe
[11:02] <HedgeMage> ;)
[11:02] <Yagisan> cbx333: they should have to que up and wait 12 months for a visa like my wife did
[11:03] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: it's safe to come back now. They don't seem to be here
[11:04] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:04] <cbx333> heheh
[11:04] <cbx333> brb
[11:05] <Yagisan> speaking of religious nutjobs, anyone recall the last religious war started in the name of Buddhism ?
[11:05] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: you can always quote the Qoran at them: it's the only of the abrahamic religious texts, AFAIK, that specifically teaches tolerance: "If a man is a Jew, then insist he be a good Jew, if a man is a Christian, then hold him to be a good Christian, if a man is a Muslim, then hold him to the law of Mohammad."  (badly paraphrased as I am sleepy)
[11:05] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: when was the last one in the name of unheard-of family religions?
[11:05] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:06] <HedgeMage> inevitably, of course, it's when religion and politics mix (regardless of the religion) that people start getting killed.
[11:06] <HedgeMage> politics and religion are awful bedfellows.
[11:06] <HedgeMage> especially if you value breathing :P
[11:07] <mdeboer> I wrote a puzzle game, http://www.resorama.com/glpuzzle/ , and i think it could very well be included with edubuntu. It features 12 puzzles of various images, but it might be a nice idea to make a special "edubuntu edition", with edubuntu artwork.
[11:07] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: ah, but Buddhism isn't a minor religion. Which was my point.
[11:07] <HedgeMage> mdeboer: I'd love to take a peek, looking now :)
[11:07] <cbx333> mdeboer: oooh I like it
[11:07] <cbx333> speak to ogra 
[11:07] <mdeboer> ogra. ok.
[11:07] <Yagisan> mdeboer: we are 2 weeks approx out from release
[11:07] <cbx333> it'll be net release now
[11:08] <cbx333> next 
[11:08] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: true, but then you have to subject yourself to bickering over whther Buddhism is a religion :P
[11:08] <cbx333> but still put it on his list
[11:08] <mdeboer> yes, i am talking about a future release.
[11:08] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: IIRC the Quran permits men to rape any woman, not of their religion. I don't see how that is tolerance
[11:08] <mdeboer> maybe the first step should be to get it debianized, and included in debian and ubuntu.
[11:09] <Yagisan> mdeboer: that would help
[11:09] <HedgeMage> mdeboer: looks very cute. :)  needs packages, though, I'm too lazy to compile anything else tonight
[11:09] <HedgeMage> I'm still boggling at what my gentoo box is compiling right now
[11:10] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: I never said it *consistently* preached tolerance, but what major religious text is consistent with itself? 
[11:10] <mdeboer> maybe some package maintainer offers himself spontaneously (hint hint)
[11:10] <HedgeMage> hehe
[11:10] <HedgeMage> I have too much on my plate ATM, sorry :(
[11:11] <Yagisan> mdeboer: maintainers live in -motu
[11:11] <mdeboer> ok thanks
[11:11] <Yagisan> mdeboer: but most of us are up to our eyeballs in work ATM
[11:12] <mdeboer> guess i should come back once dapper is out...
[11:12] <cbx333> mdeboer: you are likely to get a better response
[11:12] <mdeboer> ok. thanks
[11:12] <cbx333> but I would love to see that kind of thing in edubuntu
[11:12] <cbx333> unfortunately I just (semi) work here
[11:13] <cbx333> you'll have to talk to the big guns
[11:13] <cbx333> anyone on ubuntu doc mailing list here?
[11:13] <HedgeMage> nope
[11:13] <cbx333> mdeboer: I'll take a look at it and ofer suggestions if you like?
[11:13] <HedgeMage> I probably should be... I'm just overwhelmed by the volume of email I get right now
[11:14] <Yagisan> quick poll - hands up all those uncomfortable right now
[11:14] <cbx333> HedgeMage: tell me about it
[11:14] <cbx333> though I'm glad to get ESA finished
[11:14] <mdeboer> cbx333: thanks. mail me if you like.
[11:14] <cbx333> now I just need to port it to scribus
[11:14] <cbx333> mdeboer: of course
[11:14] <cbx333> if i don;t within the next few days
[11:14] <cbx333> mail me
[11:14] <cbx333> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[11:14] <cbx333> and it'll be a good reminder
[11:15] <Yagisan> cbx333: then shift a bit in your seat then :)
[11:15] <HedgeMage> Yagisan: be nice :P
[11:16] <cbx333> though Yagisan did mail me about testing something.... - 
[11:16] <cbx333> I'm gonna need some help with that one Yagisan 
[11:16] <Yagisan> cbx333: I'm sorry. could not resist
[11:17] <Yagisan> cbx333: eh ? my instruction are that bad
[11:17] <Yagisan> :(
[11:17] <cbx333> no
[11:17] <cbx333> seeing as no one else had trouble
[11:17] <cbx333> I'll probably be able to try it tomorrow
[11:18] <Yagisan> cbx333: try to ignore all the Satanist imagery in the game, such as hellspawn, demons etc
[11:19] <cbx333> if that makes me a bad catholic then......oh dear
[11:19] <HedgeMage> rofl
[11:20] <cbx333> let me put it this way, I've beenplaying those games since doom, I listen to punk and heavy metal(occasionally), 
[11:20] <cbx333> I must be in a baaaddddd way
[11:21] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:21] <Yagisan> cbx333: ah, the game I asked you to test, IS doom!
[11:23] <cbx333> I know :p
[11:23] <cbx333> brb
[11:27] <cbx33> I'm back
[11:31] <blue-frog> sry to bother if i download edubuntu dapper now can I just rsync when the final release is out? if I will need to change the iso filename, correct?
[11:32] <cbx33> blue-frog: not sure
[11:32] <cbx33> check with ogra 
[11:32] <blue-frog> ok
[11:32] <ogra> blue-frog, yep, but beware todays CDs (ubuntu and edubuntu at least) are nearly all broken
[11:32] <blue-frog> ok will wait then
[11:32] <cbx33> ogra: oh?
[11:32] <cbx33> I just downloaded AMD64 live is that one ok?
[11:33] <cbx33> ogra: btw in case you didn't see, I've competed getting started
[11:33] <cbx33> and emailed the ML, just waiting for it to be included
[11:34] <ogra> cbx33, you can look yourself :) 
[11:34] <cbx33> oooooooh :p
[11:34] <cbx33> howz the sleeping ogra ?
[11:34] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html shows which packages from -desktop are not instaable
[11:34] <cbx33> ok
[11:35] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/ will show which liveCDs are oversized
[11:35] <dave-YL> hi
[11:35] <cbx33> boo
[11:36] <ogra> and http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/cd-build-logs/ has the exact logs for thhe build process, if you search for "CD 2 will only", you can see how much the CDs are actually oversized
[11:36] <cbx33> ok
[11:38] <jsgotangco> you can just rsync it
[11:38] <cbx33> jsgotangco: has that come through on the mailing list
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ?
[11:38] <cbx33> the getting started doc?
[11:38] <jsgotangco> yes but i dont have my tree with me
[11:38] <cbx33> ok np :p
[11:39] <cbx33> just making sure cos it didn't come through here
[11:39] <cbx33> heheh
[11:44] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:56] <cbx33> do not give david any information about bypassing proxies
[11:57] <dave-YL> come on
[11:57] <cbx33> he's trying to be cheeky :p
[11:57] <HedgeMage> rofl
[11:57] <cbx33> :)
[11:57] <cbx33> i keep telling him....you're on work experience you're not gonna get all the answers
[11:57] <dave-YL> i will get you cbx33
[11:57] <cbx33> yeh yeh
[12:05] <pips1> ogra, you here? I got a imac live cd test report for you...
[12:05] <ogra> yeah
[12:05] <pips1> boot fails :-(
[12:05] <ogra> :(
[12:06] <pips1> should I send you the details by email, or should I just paste it here?
[12:06] <ogra> i'll try one today ... (didnt test ppc at all yet, since its my main working machine)
[12:06] <ogra> if its small, paste hhere 
[12:06] <pips1> basically, the last error is ERROR: The file 'dev/pmu' doesn't exist. 
[12:06] <pips1>     [fail] 
[12:07] <ogra> looks like udev
[12:07] <ogra> thats a ppc imac ? not the intel version ?
[12:07] <cbx33> ogra: can't boot AMD64, my vm doesn't this processor
[12:07] <pips1> i had to use the 'live video=ofonly' option, otherwise no go at all
[12:08] <ogra> pips1, how much mem does it have ? 
[12:08] <pips1> ogra, it's a ppc imac, not intel. iMac G5 (3.1), 20 inch, ATI Radeon X600 XT (1680x105), Mighty Mouse, Boot Rom 5.2.6f1
[12:08] <jsgotangco> cbx33: strange, amd64 worked for me just now
[12:08] <pips1> it has 500 MB
[12:08] <ogra> (liveCD needs at least 256M)
[12:08] <ogra> ok
[12:08] <cbx33> jsgotangco: my proc is too old
[12:08] <ogra> oh, a G5
[12:08] <ogra> amd64 was fine for me too yesterday
[12:09] <pips1> yeah, one of the last of its kind, I just bought it very recently
[12:09] <ogra> todays might not work, there was a glitch whhere glib was still building while the CD builds ran
[12:09] <ogra> pips1, can you report that on #ubuntu-kernel ? might be cpu related
[12:09] <pips1> ah
[12:10] <ogra> i know there were probs with G5's in the past
[12:10] <pips1> I got some errors related to hard disk and mouse (?) too, though
[12:10] <pips1> e.g.
[12:10] <pips1> [  73.411571]  Buffer I/O error on device hda, logical block 168198
[12:10] <pips1> and 
[12:10] <pips1> firmware_helper[4573] : main: error loading '/lib/firmware/bcm43xx_microcode5.fw' for device '/class/firmware/0001:01:01.0' with driver 'bcm43xx'
[12:10] <pips1> [  171.941794]  bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode" not available or load failed.
[12:11] <ogra> thats normal (the last one)
[12:11] <pips1> ah
[12:11] <ogra> we cant ship broadcom firmware 
[12:11] <pips1> ic
[12:11] <ogra> (you need to copy your mac firmware from osX to /lib/firmware/kernelversion to make thhat work)
[12:12] <pips1> aha
[12:12] <ogra> the hda error is a bit worrying
[12:13] <pips1> is that the main board firmware?
[12:14] <pips1> my question is: what is the broadcom firmware that i need to copy over?
[12:14] <ogra> bcm43xx_microcode5.fw
[12:14] <ogra> is what the error says
[12:15] <pips1> ah, .fw = firmware, makes sense :-)
[12:15] <pips1> but you don't happen to know what that firmware would be for, by chance? :-)
[12:15] <ogra> your airport extreme card
[12:16] <pips1> ah, right :-)
[12:21] <ogra> you should have a driver on te OS X cd that also contains the firmware
[12:21] <ogra> google for fwcutter and broadcom, should give you a bunch of howtos
[12:21] <pips1> thanks
[12:21] <pips1> so.. should I paste that error about 'dev/pmu' on #ubuntu-kernel?
[12:21] <ogra> ask them if there are known probs with G5's
[12:21] <ogra> and if so, if thats one of the symptoms
[12:21] <pips1> oki
[12:21] <pips1> no reply...
[12:22] <pips1> ok, I'll test a amd64 install cd now (ltsp server setup)
[12:23] <HedgeMage> Okay folks, really going to bed this time
[12:23] <HedgeMage> see you all tomorrow
[12:23] <pips1> but first, I'll try to apt-get upgrade that machine, to see if that will give me a working system.
[12:24] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html hah, now it looks better 
[12:25] <ogra> all: please rsync to the latest isos if you have pulled tonights 
[12:25] <pips1> ok
[12:26] <pips1> (I just burned that installer amd64 cd though...)
[12:26] <ogra> should be only 1-2M download with rsync
[12:26] <jsgotangco> its installing at the moment on my side
[12:26] <ogra> tonights ? 
[12:27] <ogra> that wont install
[12:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:27] <ogra> edubuntu-desktop wont be installabe
[12:27] <jsgotangco> hmmm its now in gcompris-data
[12:28] <ogra> glib is missing a recent version which gimp depends on ... so it will fail with gimp and pull down edubuntu-desktop accordingly
[12:28] <jsgotangco> let's see i dunno what i rsync'ed hehe
[12:28] <jsgotangco> i just followed your script
[12:28] <jsgotangco> ;)
[12:29] <ogra> depends *when* then :)
[12:29] <pips1> oh, thanks for the heads up :-) i'll re-run your script then
[12:29] <ogra> you either got yesterdays build (if you were early enough) or the broken one of this morning
[12:29] <pips1> I started my rsync about 2am
[12:30] <ogra> that gave you this mornings builds
[12:30] <pips1> ah
[12:30] <ogra> Generated: Mon May 22 23:52:41 UTC 2006
[12:30] <ogra> that was the broken one
[12:30] <ogra> Generated: Tue May 23 10:21:55 UTC 2006
[12:30] <ogra> is the fixed one
[12:31] <pips1> when booting that powerpc live cd, it said 20060522
[12:31] <ogra> live is something different 
[12:32] <pips1> right...
[12:32] <ogra> they are built in two steps (first the livefs then the iso)
[12:33] <pips1> so the live cd I tested should be ok..?
[12:35] <pips1> oh well, I can always just run that rsync, can't I? :-)
[12:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:36] <pips1> jsgotangco, what time zone are you in?
[12:36] <jsgotangco> +8 UTC
[12:36] <pips1> ah, evening...
[12:36] <blue-frog> sry folks, to rsync it's just rsync://site.com/image.iso  when I am in my localfolder containing image.iso, correct?
[12:37] <ogra> pips1, yes, that liveCD should be ok
[12:38] <pips1> blue-frog, dunno, sorry, I use ogra's 'rsyncer' shell script
[12:38] <ogra> blue-frog, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[12:38] <blue-frog> ty
[12:38] <ogra> copy it to a folder, make it executable and run ./rsyncer.sh --create
[12:39] <blue-frog> ok
[12:39] <ogra> if you have any isos already, copy them over the ones in the edubuntu dir
[12:39] <ogra> and try the --help option to restrict what you want (by default it pulls all flavors and all arches)
[12:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:40] <jsgotangco> i learned that a few hours after i downloaded everything
[12:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:41] <cbx33> heheh
[12:41] <blue-frog> otherwise my command was correct from what I see in your script ogra?
[12:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, cool, now just get the missing HW ;)
[12:41] <ogra> blue-frog, i usdually use -az --progress
[12:41] <jsgotangco> ogra: i might get access to some java think clients would they be useful?
[12:41] <ogra> but else it was fine, yes
[12:42] <jsgotangco> (pretty old ones i might add)
[12:42] <ogra> jsgotangco, if they can PXE boot :)
[12:42] <blue-frog> ok ty
[12:42] <jsgotangco> they can for sure
[12:43] <jsgotangco> ok there's an rsync update available now
[12:44] <ogra> yep ...
[12:44] <ogra> i'm still poking on i386 live ...
[12:44] <ogra> no idea why its oversized ...
[12:45] <Yagisan> ogra: just attach an oversized load sticker, and it'll be right
[12:45] <ogra> haha
[12:45] <ogra> i should also put a "THIS WONT BOOT" sticker on it as well :)
[12:50] <jsgotangco> pfftt rsync is slow
[12:52] <cbx33> ogra: just tried the rsync script here
[12:52] <cbx33> ./rsyncer.sh --dist edubuntu --arch i386
[12:52] <cbx33> and at first I got a warning about edubuntu dir not being present
[12:52] <cbx33> i created it and now when I run the script it does nothi......oh hang on
[12:53] <jsgotangco> create an edubuntu folder and place your current iso there
[12:53] <cbx33> a ok
[12:53] <ogra> cbx33, you did run it like i described ? 
[12:53] <cbx33> i don;t have an iso on this computer
[12:53] <cbx33> yet
[12:53] <jsgotangco> if it doesnt see anything, it'll touch then download
[12:53] <cbx33> ah ok
[12:53] <ogra> (i.e. first --create, thne the opther commands? )
[12:53] <cbx33> :p thankx ogra
[12:54] <cbx33> :D
[12:54] <cbx33> it's working :p
[12:54] <cbx33> if the AMD64 was not oversized I could test it
[12:55] <ogra> it isnt
[12:55] <cbx33> hmm...itwas here
[12:55] <ogra> all install CDs are fine now
[12:56] <cbx33> since when
[12:56] <ogra> and only i386 live is oversized
[12:56] <ogra> since i rebuilt them 
[12:57] <ogra> ~30 min ago, when i said
 all: please rsync to the latest isos if you have pulled tonights 
[12:57] <cbx33> argh ok
[12:58] <cbx33> sorry ogra trying to juggle everything here :p
[12:58] <ogra> :)
[12:58] <cbx33> how can i specify 2 archs
[12:59] <ogra> sorry, not implemented yet 
[12:59] <cbx33> grr :p
[12:59] <cbx33> ok
[12:59] <jsgotangco> i have been looking at the script with great interest :)
[12:59] <Yagisan> cbx33: which two ?
[12:59] <jsgotangco> burning amd64 now
[12:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, patches accepted :)
[12:59] <Yagisan> cbx33: you can do an amd64 server + i386 clients
[01:00] <Yagisan> cbx33: but you need to set iy up manually
[01:00] <cbx33> I had one from this morning.....grr... jsgotangco  live cd?
[01:00] <ogra> Yagisan, he's talking about the rsyncer script
[01:00] <cbx33> oooh....nice
[01:00] <cbx33> I'll test the live cd 64 :p
[01:00] <jsgotangco> i dunno i just have no interest on livecds
[01:01] <Yagisan> ahh, my mistake then
[01:01] <Yagisan> 9 degrees C here and dropping
[01:02] <ogra> dapper-install-i386.iso
[01:02] <ogra>    728664064 100%    1.48MB/s    0:07:50  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[01:02] <ogra> :)
[01:02] <ogra> 7 mins is not bad :)
[01:02] <jsgotangco> you make me look bad
[01:02] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:03] <pips1> dapper-install-amd64.iso
[01:03] <pips1>    720797696 100%    1.06MB/s    0:10:50  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[01:03] <pips1> :-)
[01:03] <ogra> :)
[01:03] <blue-frog> am gonna test on a sony vaio portable, anything you need to test in particular?
[01:03] <blue-frog> on such a pc?
[01:04] <jsgotangco> blue-frog: laptop-testing would be more appropriate though (but try edubuntu workstation)
[01:05] <blue-frog> that's what i meant , i have a laptop
[01:05] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[01:05] <jsgotangco> blue-frog: edubuntu workstation has the laptop tools as well
[01:06] <ogra> the default install as well
[01:06] <ogra> in fact *all* edubuntu installs have the laptop tools ;)
[01:06] <jsgotangco> i wouldnt want ltsp on my laptop lol
[01:06] <jsgotangco> oohh netinstall hardcore
[01:06] <ogra> thats how i test it
[01:07] <ogra> running my amd64 laptop as server and have a thin client attached via crossover
[01:07] <blue-frog> ok if i understand your phrasing there must be a graphical choice at boot (i ahve been away from my puter a few months...)
[01:08] <ogra> blue-frog, just hitting enter gives you the default classroom server install
[01:08] <blue-frog> ok as usual then
[01:08] <ogra> selecting "workstation" at the CD bootscreen will give your, well, the workstation install
[01:08] <ogra> if you ise the liveCD installer, you'll also get a workstation install
[01:08] <ogra> s/ise/use/
[01:09] <ogra> there is no need to test the "server" install (it will be dropped during this week)
[01:09] <blue-frog> no problem, i generally make myserver from normal install anyway..
[01:11] <jsgotangco> amd64 autoresize check
[01:11] <ogra> yay
[01:12] <cbx33> ogra: hmm.....rsync doesn't seem to be working
[01:12] <cbx33> it's running
[01:12] <cbx33> but all files are showing zero size
[01:12] <ogra> cbx33, works fine here
[01:12] <cbx33> nothing seems to be happening
[01:13] <cbx33> if I export a proxy address it'll use it right?
[01:13] <ogra> hmm, i didnt use a proxy since years 
[01:13] <ogra> no idea 
[01:13] <cbx33> ok
[01:13] <ogra> (apart from willow testing)
[01:14] <cbx33> rsync: failed to connect to cdimage.ubuntu.com: Connection timed out (110)rsync error: error in socket IO (code 10) at clientserver.c(98)
[01:15] <jsgotangco> that's i386
[01:15] <jsgotangco> ?
[01:15] <ogra> dapper-install-powerpc.iso
[01:15] <cbx33> oh stupid boy....it uses a different port doesn't it
[01:15] <ogra>    726491136 100%  750.45kB/s    0:15:45  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[01:15] <ogra> 110 ?
[01:15] <cbx33> yeh
[01:15] <ogra> thats pop3, no ?
[01:15] <cbx33> that's blocked here
[01:16] <ogra> rsync uses 873
[01:17] <cbx33> still blocked
[01:17] <jsgotangco> amd workstation install looks good :)
[01:17] <cbx33> I only have port 80,443 and resricted 21 here
[01:17] <ogra> yay
[01:27] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[01:27] <jsgotangco> ogra: i get a Buffer I/O error on a disk...
[01:28] <ogra> which one ? 
[01:28] <jsgotangco> its retriveing packages....
[01:29] <pips1> ogra, I saw you mentioned that the 'server' install option will get dropped. That makes me wondering: What happed to the "Ubuntu Server" plans (not Edubuntu)? Was that idea dropped?
[01:29] <jsgotangco> no
[01:29] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Server is still alive
[01:29] <ogra> its there since breezy
[01:29] <jsgotangco> it has its own installer
[01:29] <pips1> ic
[01:31] <pips1> is there a main "Ubuntu Server" page on ubuntu.com or in the wiki?
[01:31] <jsgotangco> none at the moment, very few people test it actually
[01:32] <jsgotangco> i think im the only one who tested flight 7 before heh
[01:32] <pips1> (I'm planning on buying some server hardware and info about hardware-tests/recommendations would be very nice)
[01:32] <pips1> oh, I see
[01:32] <pips1> wow
[01:33] <jsgotangco> if only i had hardware for big-iron heh
[01:34] <ogra> haha
[01:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, flint has good connections to some IBM dealers ;)
[01:34] <jsgotangco> heh he asked me before to write him an email but he didnt reply back
[01:36] <ogra> pips1, 
 fabbione, are there any known probs with mac mini G5 machines ? i have a report about a failed edubuntu install
 ogra: give me one and i will test it :)
 ogra: also. please ask these people to file bugs on lp
 with all the proper info
[01:41] <jsgotangco> ogra: it really gets stuck in package 501 then i get a kernel  Buffer I/O error on hdb line
[01:42] <ogra> thats very likely broken media or a too fast burn
[01:43] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[01:43] <jsgotangco> i will just try it again later
[01:43] <ogra> you can to a integrity check
[01:43] <ogra> s/to/do/
[01:43] <jsgotangco> yeah i'll do that first just to make sure
[01:43] <ogra> 8wile at dinner ;) )
[01:43] <ogra> *while
[01:47] <pips1> ogra, ok, I'll file a bug report for the failed edubuntu live on mac G5... what package should i file against? and what was the correct category to assign to (edubuntu-testing-team or what?)
[01:48] <ogra> dev/pmu should be created by udev
[01:48] <ogra> so udev is a good start
[01:48] <jsgotangco> ogra: bad burn, my bad
[01:48] <pips1> ogra, k
[01:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, yep, my amd64 test is just at file 722
[01:49] <jsgotangco> ok ciao
[01:49] <pips1> cu
[01:57] <mhz> hi guys
[01:58] <mhz> ogra: so far, 2 installs, (1 server, 1 <enter>) okidoki.
[01:58] <ogra> cool
[01:58] <mhz> Unvelievably, my friends ISP did not provide any service until 21 PM :(
[01:58] <ogra> as i said, no need to test "server", we'll drop it
[01:58] <mhz> duh
[01:59] <ogra> test workstation and default rather
[01:59] <mhz> "we'll drop it" as in Edubuntu? or the whole Ubuntu?
[01:59] <mhz> okis
[01:59] <mhz> Today I'll test it in 2 diff machines
[02:00] <mhz> diff = diff hardware of course
[02:00] <ogra> in edubuntu
[02:00] <mhz> roger that, captain.
[02:00] <ogra> ubuntu will keep it, and we'll liekly get it back in edgy, its just that there is a problem just renaming it
[02:00] <mhz> good to know
[02:00] <ogra> so we'll drop it to avoid confusion
[02:01] <ogra> (and re-add it based on user complaints :) )
[02:01] <mhz> I was asked if Edubuntu default comes with a "firewall" default. "I don't know, but we can always use IpTables" I said. Do we have such default thing?
[02:02] <mhz> lol
[02:02] <mhz> well, community speaks ;)
[02:02] <ogra> sudo apt-get install firestarter ;)
[02:02] <mhz> heheheh
[02:02] <ogra> (from universe)
[02:02] <mhz> yeah
[02:02] <pips1> :-/
[02:03] <mhz> pips1: yeah! me too
[02:03] <ogra> pips1, 8x should work
[02:03] <mhz> or 8x
[02:03] <pips1> ok, will try 8x for the next one
[02:04] <pips1> brb (need to disable dhcp on dsl modem to test server setup)
[02:04] <mhz> Oh, one personal feeling is that I felt the booting process is faster than my Dapper Beta (in laptop). Is that logical?
[02:05] <ogra> could be
[02:09] <mhz> oh, one last thing befeore I hit the shower, The User & Groups "application" is meant for teachers/admins to define groups and special privileges? Is that just like using 'adduser' or alike?
[02:09] <mhz> or it has a more "school oriented" purpose?
[02:09] <ogra> nope, its all adduser
[02:09] <mhz> ah, okis.
[02:10] <ogra> we'll likely add an ldap backend and other nifty stuff over time
[02:12] <mhz> hmm, iirc I read Corey (maybe not) mentioned something about 2 apps: Sabayon and Pessulus. Is that right? I can't find them
[02:14] <ogra> universe
[02:19] <highvoltage> hey everyone
[02:19] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry to bother at this time, is it likely that we'll have a edubuntu-users list by launch-time?
[02:20] <ogra> no idea, wasnt that in JaneW's and your todo ?
[02:21] <JaneW> hi ogra
[02:21] <highvoltage> talk of the devil :)
[02:21] <JaneW> I mailed jdub 2 (maybe 3) times
[02:21] <highvoltage> JaneW: i think you talked to someone about the -users mailing list?
[02:21] <mhz> highvoltage: hi mon
[02:21] <JaneW> I'll resend
[02:21] <ogra> JaneW, i'll take that over then 
[02:22] <cbx33> ogra: AMD64 live works
[02:22] <cbx33> I'm using it now
[02:22] <ogra> great, i have only tested amd64 install yet
[02:22] <ogra> (which works fine here as well :) )
[02:22] <cbx33> anything in particular you want me to test
[02:23] <cbx33> firefox and oo work
[02:23] <mhz> cbx33: cool!
[02:23] <ogra> gcompris probably
[02:23] <cbx33> ok
[02:23] <ogra> or some other edu app
[02:23] <mhz> oh yeah, FF and OOO 100% ok
[02:23] <mhz> Gcompris worked just fine
[02:24] <ogra> also check http://localhost:7080/ 
[02:24] <ogra> (on a default install, not on the liveCD)
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: you and highvoltage have been CC'ed
[02:24] <mhz> except i intentionally pushed it by making lots of clicking and got stuck, but could not reproduce the error later.
[02:24] <ogra> JaneW, thanks
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: we'll need someone else to administer those lists, filtering spam etc, you shouldn't do it
[02:25] <JaneW> any volunteers?
[02:25] <JaneW> ^^
[02:25] <mhz> ME!!
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: and do you not want tomorrow's meeting?
[02:25] <JaneW> mhz: sure!
[02:25] <mhz> JaneW: thx
[02:25] <ogra> JaneW, yes, lets drop tomorrows meeting
[02:25] <mhz> no meeting tomorrow???
[02:25] <mhz> booooh
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: ok, but we'll need to resolve all outstanding issues next week
[02:26] <JaneW> which is day before release!
[02:26] <ogra> then hold the meeting tomorrow, but dont expect me to be available :)
[02:27] <pygi> hey JaneW 
[02:27] <mhz> ;)
[02:28] <cbx33> no meeting tormowow :'(
[02:28] <cbx33> :p
[02:28] <pygi> cbx33, any progress with book?
[02:28] <ogra> cbx33, depends on JaneW 
[02:28] <cbx33> not as yet, but finished up ESA and converte highvoltages getting started guide to ocbook
[02:29] <ogra> i'll be busy 
[02:29] <cbx33> heh it's ok,
[02:29] <bimberi> ogra: fyi i've subscribed the BugSquad to some packages - https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-bugs/+packagebugs - looks like someone else has too :)
[02:29] <JaneW> I think we should meet informally - here at 12:00, but certainly not at 20:00 please
[02:29] <cbx33> JaneW: sounds goo
[02:29] <JaneW> we can discuss community and outstanding issues then
[02:29] <JaneW> agreed?
[02:29] <ogra> yep
[02:29] <JaneW> cool
[02:29] <mhz> yup
[02:30] <highvoltage> JaneW: yes
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: you can then get on with your work and not have to book out and hour for 'meeting'
[02:30] <ogra> i might be partially there, depending on workload
[02:30] <cbx33> :D
[02:30] <cbx33> heheh
[02:30] <mhz> I'll bring cookies
[02:30] <highvoltage> so it's here 12:00 tomorrow? i'll be here 50%, will be irc'ing from cellphone, but will be reading at full speed at least :)
[02:30] <mhz> lol
[02:30] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[02:30] <ogra> bimberi, great :)
[02:31] <cbx33> idn't get a chance to say good mornin yet :p
[02:31] <mhz> highvoltage: i can lend you my Jornada 728, it should be lot easier to irc
[02:31] <bimberi> ogra: np :)
[02:31] <pygi> JaneW, I see Daniel also got mentoring :)
[02:32] <cbx33> ogra: o you need ubiquity tested on AMDddddddd64?
[02:32] <ogra> sure
[02:32] <cbx33> ok I'll see what I can do....don;t think there's enough space on this hdd
[02:32] <mhz> cbx33: what is ubiquity?
[02:33] <cbx33> the live installer
[02:33] <mhz> google!
[02:33] <mhz> oh, thx
[02:33] <cbx33> you're welcome to test it 
[02:33] <cbx33> if you have AMD 46 :p
[02:33] <cbx33> and free disk space
[02:33] <mhz> yup, I guess i do, in the lab I am today
[02:33] <ogra> its also valuable to test it on non amd64 platforms :P
[02:33] <cbx33> ok
[02:33] <mhz> cbx33: just apt-get and it works or needs some hours of config?
[02:33] <ogra> but you need at least 256M to make it work
[02:33] <cbx33> I can o that this evening,
[02:34] <cbx33> mhz: if you have the liveCD
[02:34] <cbx33> for AMDD64
[02:34] <cbx33> ouble click on the install icon on the desktop
[02:34] <mhz> ogra: LAB is either 1.x GHz (AMD and Intel) and minimum of 512 MB of RAM and 40 GB of HD
[02:34] <JaneW> mhz: hope they'll be edubuntu cookies
[02:35] <mhz> JaneW: oh, no time for it, but they have a nice windows icon :D
[02:35] <mhz> we can still eat it
[02:36] <JaneW> mhz: did you get my PM?
[02:36] <pips1> hello JaneW 
[02:36] <JaneW> hi pips1 
[02:37] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[02:37] <highvoltage> mhz: that woudl be nice, thanks
[02:37] <pips1> hey highvoltage 
[02:37] <highvoltage> hi pips1
[02:38] <pips1> finally got some time to spend on edubuntu again :-)
[02:38] <mhz> JaneW: yup, you did not because I was not registered (duh!)
[02:38] <mhz> JaneW: i am already in, thanx
[02:38] <pips1> highvoltage, you seem busy as always, if not busier ;-)
[02:38] <JaneW> mhz: ok good
[02:38] <mhz> highvoltage: what? the HP J728?
[02:39] <mhz> JaneW: and just accept it... you made that password up :D
[02:39] <highvoltage> mhz: yes
[02:39] <JaneW> mhx: there's loads of spam everyday, I used to scan through for the very odd legit one now I just discard all
[02:39] <JaneW> mhz: never!
[02:39] <mhz> hehehhe
[02:39] <pips1> congrats to the edubuntu council elections, btw!
[02:39] <JaneW> mhz: I think it was jdub
[02:39] <cbx33> ok that's another one tested
[02:40] <mhz> JaneW: yup, probabley he did... Oh, maybe that's why he "hides" and respond to emails once in a blue moon :D
[02:40] <JaneW> btw jdub is doing the new mailing list now
[02:41] <mhz> see? he's always doing something for the world
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: jdub has made the list, you will need to finish setting it up
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, we're PMing
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: and I suggest you add some more admins, I think it's just you atm
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: ok cool
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:47] <cbx33> mhz: the edubuntu homies have edubuntu on their skateboards
[02:47] <cbx33> hehe
[02:47] <mhz> oh, this is roller skates 
[02:47] <mhz> "Edubuntu = with you, all the way"
[02:48] <cbx33> heheh
[02:48] <cbx33> ogra: is there anything else you need help with?
[02:48] <mhz> "...even when you stumble and get your face hiting the sidewalk"
[02:48] <cbx33> mhz: I know that feeling
[02:48] <mhz> yeah
[02:48] <ogra> cbx33, nnot beyond testing atm, no
[02:49] <cbx33> ok
[02:49] <cbx33> sorry I'm not much help in other areas yet
[02:49] <cbx33> I'll try harder 
[02:49] <ogra> :)
[02:49] <mhz> oh, well, ogra, is it helpful if I also test on this thin-laptop?
[02:49] <ogra> youre doing damned well, really
[02:50] <cbx33> gimme an area to help in and I'll learn more 
[02:50] <cbx33> ogra: well I hope I'm at least partially useful :p
[02:50] <ogra> mhz, sure, but i wouldnt suggest a liveCD install ;)
[02:50] <mhz> LOL
[02:50] <ogra> cbx33, you are !!!
[02:50] <cbx33> brb guys
[02:50] <mhz> okis, at night then... when I have 2 hours for the install process
[02:50] <cbx33> gottqa fix an RJ45 outlet
[02:51] <mhz_Shower> okis, guys, See ya later (from the LAB)
[03:13] <cbx33> phew back
[04:00] <ogra> all testers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers
[04:00] <ogra> if you stumble across the term "dapper drake" anywhere, please let me know so i can remove it
[04:01] <ogra> (most things will be covered by ubuntu fixes alrerady, but there might be some occurences we're not aware)
[04:03] <cbx33> ogra: does that mean ESA will have to be patched too?
[04:04] <ogra> only stuff on the cD for now
[04:04] <ogra> but ESA would indeed also be a candidate
[04:04] <cbx33> ok
[04:04] <cbx33> as indeed would gettingstarted?
[04:04] <ogra> yep
[04:04] <cbx33> did you see I have moved that to docbook
[04:04] <cbx33> :D
[04:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: indeed
[04:05] <ogra> no, i didnt
[04:05] <cbx33> yup just like you requested :p
[04:05] <ogra> did you take the recent one from edubuntu-docs with the fixes and new screenshots ? 
[04:05] <cbx33> i patched the makefile too, just waiting for it to be included in the repo
[04:05] <cbx33> ogra: but of course mon ami :p
[04:06] <ogra> :)
[04:07] <cbx33> will be putting ESA on the drupal site too when I get a spare minute
[04:07] <cbx33> but not calling it ESA obviously
[04:07] <cbx33> I also have to mock that up in scribus and get some tests printed off
[04:07] <cbx33> which is why I was asking you if there was anything more urgent to do first 
[04:19] <pips1> install cd for amd64 <default> (resize partition) went ok :-)
[04:20] <ogra> yay
[04:20] <cbx33> nice one pips1 
[04:20] <cbx33> have you filled in the wiki?
[04:21] <cbx33> ogra: did you want me to try server install again tonight with the LTSP build not building?
[04:21] <pips1> minor issue: the gnome login is in the wrong resolution (not my 1280x1024, looks more like 800x400?)
[04:22] <ogra> cbx33, as i said, we dont need to test the "server" install
[04:22] <pips1> cbx33, what's the wiki page, link?
[04:22] <ogra> oh, you mean the expert one 
[04:22] <ogra> pips1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu
[04:22] <ogra> cbx33, as i said, we dont need to test the "server" install
[04:23] <cbx33> ok thanx
[04:24] <pips1> erm, gnome login display looks like 800x600
[04:24] <pips1> ?!
[04:24] <cbx33> is 800x600 still the lwest res we support
[04:25] <ogra> iirc it should default to 1024x786
[04:25] <ogra> not to 800x600
[04:25] <cbx33> ok
[04:26] <pips1> well, It might be 1024x786, not sure, but it's definitely not the 1280x1024 I chose before install (gnome desktop *is* 1280x...)
[04:26] <ogra> thats funny
[04:26] <pips1> it looks all pixelated
[04:26] <pips1> same after rebooting
[04:27] <pips1> lemme try a thinclient now and see what the resolution of gnome login screen is there...
[04:28] <cbx33> heheh
[04:28] <ogra> thats unrelated
[04:28] <ogra> the X config is generated newly on every boot on the clients and the login manager isnt gdm
[04:29] <pips1> ah, i see. but I'll test with thin clients anyway... :-)
[04:29] <ogra> :)
[04:33] <pips1> my laptops pxe doesn't get an ip... how can I see on the server if dhcp is running?
[04:33] <ogra> ps ax|grep dhsp
[04:33] <ogra> err
[04:33] <ogra> dhcp
[04:34] <pips1> oh, no, keymap wasn't set right :-(
[04:35] <pips1> my keyboard is swiss-german. what key is the pipe symbol on us layout?
[04:36] <pips1> ach, I might try to change keymap under System>...
[04:38] <pips1> ok, at least that worked
[04:39] <pips1> these keymap problems plague me since breezy... I thought they fixed it 
[04:39] <pips1> ah, no dhcp running
[04:40] <ogra> did you configure it ? 
[04:40] <ogra> it wont "just start" if there is no matching IP
[04:40] <cbx33> I already have a dhcp server
[04:41] <pips1> erm, where do I need to configure it? (wasn't asked during install)
[04:42] <pips1> i turned off dhcp server on my dsl router, because I thought that's what I need to do, since I thought edbuntu runs a dhcp by default. was that changed?
[04:43] <ogra> pips1, see the InstallNotes
[04:43] <pips1> ok
[04:43] <ogra> you need to have at least one matching static interface, else the dhcp server wont start
[04:46] <pips1> oops, I chose ip 192.168.1.2, so that's probably why dhcp didn't start then 
[04:51] <ogra> yep
[04:52] <ogra> i'll fix that in edgy
[04:52] <pips1> :)
[04:53] <pips1> didn't you have sound on thin clients working at some point?
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <ogra> you need to enable it
[04:53] <pips1> ah
[04:53] <ogra> and indeed the soundcard needs to be supported
[04:56] <pips1> ogra is there a wiki page that describes the step to get amd64 server working with i386 client?
[04:56] <ogra> i mailed a reciepe to the ML recently
[05:02] <ogra> :)
[05:02] <ogra> i guess that should go on the wiki at some point
[05:04] <pips1> yep
[05:32] <v2> ick
[05:32] <ogra> ?
[05:32] <v2> :)
[05:32] <ogra> :)
[05:32] <melon> :)
[05:49] <pips1> ogra, usplash (?) and login screen on thin client shows 'ubuntu' rather 'edubuntu' --> known issue?
[05:50] <ogra> yep
[05:50] <ogra> err, no
[05:50] <ogra> on the login it should be edubuntu
[05:50] <ogra> usplash wont change
[05:50] <pips1> nope
[05:50] <ogra> ok, i'll check that
[05:50] <ogra> thanks !!
[05:52] <pips1> do you think I might be related to me rebuilding i386 on amd64?
[05:56] <pips1> erm, also I can't seem to logon on a thin client as a new user (login as initial user works, though)
[05:56] <ogra> ah, yes
[05:56] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork will fix it
[05:56] <pips1> ok, I'll try that
[05:58] <pips1> ok, it did fix it, indeed
[06:02] <pips1> however, not being able to login with a new user account on thin client is kind of a show stopper.. :-O
[06:03] <pips1> huh? the test users are gone after reboot?!
[06:03] <pips1> ls
[06:03] <pips1> oops, wrong keyboard :-)
[06:05] <pips1> ogra ? 
[06:06] <pips1> the screen simply refreshes and I get dumped back to the login screen...
[06:07] <ogra> you changed the ip ?
[06:07] <ogra> (when you made your dhcp server work)
[06:07] <ogra> if so, run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:08] <pips1> erm, not that I know of... original ip 192.168.1.2 set during install, then I did a search and replace with '192.168.0' --> '192.168.1' in dhcpd.conf
[06:09] <ogra> ah, k
[06:09] <ogra> did you install sabayon or pessulus ? 
[06:09] <ogra> they would need you to set up default profiles before they let unprivileged users in
[06:10] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know if I can branch over ssh with bzr?
[06:11] <ogra> sure use sftp://
[06:11] <ogra> bzr get sftp://blah
[06:11] <ogra> mkdir ../blah-branch && bzr branch . ../blah-branch
[06:12] <pips1> ogra, no didn't install either
[06:12] <ogra> hmm
[06:12] <ogra> can you check the users ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:20] <pips1> hmm, strange, I see the new user account in the user & groups tool, but no home directory was created
[06:20] <ogra> ah
[06:20] <ogra> thats your problem then :) 
[06:20] <pips1> does that ring a bell?
[06:21] <ogra> bug against gnome-system-tools (if it doesnt exist already)
[06:21] <LaserJock> ogra: you don't like the French?
[06:22] <ogra> LaserJock, its bigger than the spanish ... was a size decision
[06:22] <LaserJock> bummer
[06:22] <ogra> give me something else to drop thats >2M
[06:22] <LaserJock> firefox ;-)
[06:22] <ogra> next release :)
[06:23] <ogra> (waiting for ephy to be fixed)
[06:28] <pips1> hmm, not sure if my prob was reported yet or not... there is a similar bug (#18632), that that's way more specific than mine. Don't know what to do.
[06:31] <pips1> ok, 'adduser' works, login from thin client now works
[06:32] <LaserJock> what are Ubuntu's default icons?
[06:32] <melon_> ok, I'm stuck. :( Is there any way to use local devices on thick(rich) client? 
[06:33] <ogra> melon_, next release (october)
[06:36] <melon_> ogra: oh, I see :( 
[06:37] <pips1> ogra, tried to follow your LTSPClientKeymap howto, but there is no /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf . In fact, there doesn't seem to be a 'lts.conf' on my system (I tried find)
[06:38] <ogra> yep
[06:38] <pips1> ?
[06:38] <ogra> there is none by default, since we dont need it "by default"
[06:38] <ogra> just create it :)
[06:38] <pips1> I understand
[06:42] <LaserJock> ogra: just a quick thought: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/Edubuntu
[06:43] <lucasvo> http://lamscommunity.org/
[06:43] <lucasvo> server error :(
[06:43] <lucasvo> LaserJock: create a spec
[06:44] <ogra> LaserJock, sounds good for discussion in paris
[06:44] <LaserJock> ogra: should I flesh it out and make it a spec?
[06:45] <ogra> LaserJock, yep, but keep in mind that dropping stuff from one flavour wont gain us anything on the CD
[06:45] <LaserJock> right
[06:45] <ogra> since they should be insallable all from the same media
[06:45] <LaserJock> I was looking more for making a lighter install for the Edubuntu Kids
[06:45] <lucasvo> ogra: should they?
[06:46] <lucasvo> LaserJock: and for e.g. not install gcompris on university version :)
[06:46] <LaserJock> I was thinking that University could be fairly minimal because most people will want to customize it using meta-packs
[06:46] <LaserJock> and they have good connections :-)
[06:47] <lucasvo> yeah
[06:47] <ogra> lucasvo, we wont ship more than one edubuntu CD
[06:47] <lucasvo> LaserJock: but 14+ age is not only university
[06:47] <lucasvo> also highschool with  bad connection
[06:47] <ogra> so all flavours need to fit
[06:47] <LaserJock> lucasvo: yeah, I was trying to think of how to do that
[06:47] <lucasvo> just remove qt
[06:47] <lucasvo> :)
[06:48] <LaserJock> that won't solve everything
[06:48] <lucasvo> no, but it gives us more space
[06:48] <lucasvo> a smaller kernel :)
[06:48] <ogra> LaserJock, well, it would drop KDE langpacks 
[06:48] <ogra> see K: here http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt
[06:48] <lucasvo> oh yeah
[06:49] <ogra> or better KSum
[06:49] <ogra> KDE in spanish is 12M 
[06:50] <ogra> for only one language ...
[06:51] <LaserJock> hmm, yeah that is a lot
[06:51] <pips1> what is the config file where the keymap/country codes are stored?
[06:53] <ogra> /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/
[06:53] <lucasvo> but then there are a lot of missing apps
[06:54] <ogra> grep xkb_keymap /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/* | awk '{split($0, kb);printf \"%s\\n\", kb[2] }'|grep -v xkb_keymap|sort|uniq"
[06:54] <ogra> will give you a proper list iirc
[06:56] <pips1> erm, tried you amazing grep/awk combo, but no luck ;-)
[06:56] <ogra> yep, its broken
[06:56] <ogra> grep xkb_keymap /etc/X11/xkb/keymap/* | awk '{split($0, kb);printf "%s\n", kb[2] }'|grep -v xkb_keymap|sort|uniq
[06:56] <ogra> thats the tight one 
[06:56] <ogra> *right
[06:56] <pips1> it *is* tight, dude! ;-)
[06:56] <ogra> :)
[06:57] <ogra> the first one was just copied out of LTSPManager 
[06:57] <pips1> cheers, worked like a charm (second)
[07:04] <pips1> erm, so... for swiss-german keymap in LTSPClientKeymap, do I use 'ch_de' or 'de_CH'? I tried both, neither worked.
[07:08] <pips1> guys, tell me, am I a freak for wanting English system language with a swiss-german keyboard? That combination *should* just work out of the box, no? (German system language with swiss-german keyboard "just works" fine)
[07:09] <ogra> on the server, yes
[07:09] <ogra> not sure if you *need* to select it in the gfxboot screen before installing though
[07:10] <ogra> might be that it preseeds some values in the installer
[07:11] <pips1> I selected English + Swiss-German in the initial screen (F2 + F3 options)... but I still only got English keymap :-(
[07:12] <pips1> ok, at least the 'de' in LTSPClientKeymap works, but I don't know what value I need to use to get swiss-german keymap on the thin clients.. Does anyone know?
[07:12] <pips1> lucasvo, maybe? :-)
[07:14] <ogra> de_CH ?
[07:15] <pips1> That keymap bug is my personal ubuntu bug no.1, grumble, rant.
[07:15] <pips1> tried that, didn't work
[07:15] <ogra> its an xkb map, so it should logically work 
[07:18] <pips1> it's amazing how such seemingly trivial issues can just suck away hours and hours :-)
[07:19] <highvoltage> pips1: *nods*
[07:19] <pips1> he
[07:21] <pips1> nope, de_CH definitely doesn't work
[07:22] <ogra> LaserJock, before you rant again, i only dropped -support-es, not -pack-es :)
[07:26] <pips1> ok guys, that was my testing day. amd64 install cd works. but I get the feeling that there are still lots of (ubuntu) bugs to be squashed!
[07:26] <pips1> personal closing note for today: I really like the chalkboard background
[07:26] <pips1> ;-)
[07:29] <pips1> ogra, thanks for you help! cu
[07:30] <ogra> thanks for testing ! :)
[07:30] <LaserJock> ogra: rant? ;-)
[07:31] <ogra> :)
[07:31] <pips1> my pleasure! dapper is a big step forward, imo. really nice.
[07:32] <ogra> LaserJock, actually it might enable us to add -fr back :)
[07:32] <ogra> pips1, thanks :)
[07:32] <pips1> cheerio
[07:33] <LaserJock> ogra: as long as you don't take en out I'm fine :-)
[07:33] <ogra> heh
[07:33] <ogra> it wouldnt be installable without en :)
[07:38] <LaserJock> I love terminals and I still don't get aptitude
[07:38] <ogra> hehe
[07:38] <ogra> same here :)
[07:38] <ogra> but i didnt want to start a flame
[07:38] <LaserJock> yeah, aptitude has a quite devoted following :-)
[07:39] <LaserJock> somebody was going through wiki.ubuntu.com doing a s/apt-get/aptitude/
[07:39] <ogra> eek
[07:40] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ogra I am going to fix that once and for all
[07:40] <Burgwork> the grand plan is to not mention any way of installing, simply say "Install the following packages"
[07:40] <ogra> how ? 
[07:40] <ogra> ah, yes
[07:40] <Burgwork> it is on my todo list for tonight
[07:41] <LaserJock> Burgwork: people will just s/Install the following packages/aptitude/ ;-)
[07:41] <Burgwork> LaserJock, if they do, I will LART them
[07:41] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:41] <Burgwork> and if they do it again, I will get their edit privs yanked
[07:42] <ogra> just add "changing coreys wiki additions is a violation" to the CoC ;)
[07:42] <Burgwork> lol
[07:43] <Burgwork> I should post to the -doc list about what I am going to do, just as fair warning
[07:43] <LaserJock> I always think it is weird, if people are smart enough to use aptitude then they are obviously smart enough to s/apt-get/aptitude/ in their brain
[07:44] <Burgwork> debian has standarized on aptitude over apt-get
[07:44] <LaserJock> have they?
[07:44] <ogra> we'll standarize on smart over aptitude *and* apt-get !
[07:45] <LaserJock> darn it, I dislike how when I install kubuntu-desktop & ubuntu-desktop the menus turn into a zoo
[07:46] <Burgwork> LaserJock, afaik, yes
[07:46] <Burgwork> ogra, that will be nice, but we will need dummy scripts that do the same thing as apt-get and aptitude to not break peoples scritps
[07:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: how can they even do that? in their documentation?
[07:47] <Burgwork> I have heard it mentioned
[07:56] <LaserJock> does the documentation on the LTSP websited apply to Edubuntu?
[07:57] <ogra> partially
[07:57] <ogra> not to the core parts 
[07:57] <ogra> but things like the ltspfs page for example and all the tweakage to dhcpd.conf etc etc 
[07:58] <Burgwork> ogra, is edubuntu documentation moving off the wiki?
[07:59] <ogra> partially
[07:59] <ogra> not to the core parts 
[07:59] <ogra> but things like the ltspfs page for example and all the tweakage to dhcpd.conf etc etc 
[07:59] <Burgwork> ok
[07:59] <ogra> :P
[07:59] <ogra> nah, the LTSP wikipages are needed
[08:00] <ogra> we'll put the more fleshed out pages on www.edubuntu.org later
[08:00] <ogra> but the wiki is still the place to create docs
[08:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:44] <cbx33> evenin all
[08:44] <LaserJock> HI!
[08:46] <cbx33> wow capitols
[08:47] <Burgwork> salut cbx33 
[08:47] <highvoltage> hey cbx33!
[08:48] <cbx33> hi Burgwork , highvoltage 
[08:48] <LaserJock> cbx33: yes well from about 45 min ago : *  highvoltage wonders where cbx33 is tonight
[08:48] <cbx33> bb in 20
[08:48] <highvoltage> there he goes again
[08:48] <highvoltage> :)
[08:50] <cbx33> oi
[08:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: seems like it's some kind of version problem with php on the server (which we can't change)
[08:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: so we're going with a new theme, which i have hald way done, went with friendselectric, which i should have from the beginning, it has much simpler css, and it's starting to look real nice
[08:57] <saugilsr> hi all, I started a spec for Drive imaging in edubuntu.. it's my first attempt at doing such a thing so let me know if im on the right track or should commit Seppuku..  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDriveImagingSpec
[08:59] <ogra> saugilsr, thats nice, but would be more applicable as an ubuntu spec 
[08:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, cool
[08:59] <cbx33> that sounds great
[09:00] <ogra> saugilsr, we inherit such stuff from ubuntu then, usually there is no low level stuff done in edubuntu specifically
[09:01] <saugilsr> ogra: ok. I can move it. Wasn't sure how that worked.
[09:01] <Burgwork> saugilsr, from someone who has done both drive imaging and preseeding stuff, I think preseeding is a sane option
[09:03] <cbx33> ogra, hows the testing going, got any more volunteers?
[09:04] <Burgwork> cbx33, I am hours away from my first Edubuntu install, much to my horror
[09:04] <ogra> saugilsr, also you are talking about /tftpboot ... seems to me you should get a bit familiar with ubuntu ltsp :)
[09:04] <highvoltage> i badly wanted to get a testing group together for this release. i made some progress with bluekaja, but i think he got distracted somehow :/
[09:04] <ogra> Burgwork, we're all here :)
[09:05] <ogra> cbx33, currently i'm still fighting with that i386 oversizedness
[09:05] <cbx33> oh dear
[09:05] <ogra> sad thing is that it should be solved since some hours
[09:06] <cbx33> oh dear ++
[09:06] <ogra> but every time i trigger a livefs build any package just got uploaded that breaks everything
[09:06] <highvoltage> kdeedu should perhaps have been dropped earlier :/
[09:06] <ogra> dia-gnome killed the current build
[09:06] <ogra> highvoltage, nope
[09:06] <cbx33> oh dear ++++
[09:06] <highvoltage> ogra: is there anything droppable left?
[09:07] <ogra> there was the spansig lanuage-support package 
[09:07] <ogra> but we apparently only need the language-pack packages
[09:07] <ogra> i'm currently shuffluing them around until it fits
[09:08] <ogra> *spanish
[09:08] <ogra> the good thing is that *our* artwork is solved :)
[09:08] <cbx33> :D
[09:09] <ogra> dholbach has a really bad/busy time atm
[09:09] <LaserJock> I can imagine
[09:09] <cbx33> heheh
[09:09] <LaserJock> I had a talk with my advisor yesterday about Edubuntu and our department computer lab
[09:10] <cbx33> oooh
[09:10] <cbx33> LaserJock, good news?
[09:10] <LaserJock> he said that perhaps a server computer will be available in the department soonish
[09:10] <LaserJock> but he has lots of questions
[09:10] <cbx33> ooooh nice
[09:11] <LaserJock> and since I've never done LTSP before I'm really not sure how to answer some of them
[09:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, like what?
[09:11] <LaserJock> it is kinda hard because I feel like I need a computer lab to test LTSP in order for them to swith the computer lab
[09:12] <LaserJock> kind of a circular issue
[09:12] <ogra> two laptops and a crossover cable :)
[09:12] <LaserJock> well, you can leave the hard drive and PXE boot right? so all I'd need is an Edubuntu server?
[09:13] <LaserJock> anyway, the sys admin has a spare box he said he was going to play with Edubuntu on
[09:13] <ogra> yep
[09:14] <LaserJock> ok, so the hardware of the thin client doesn't matter?
[09:14] <ogra> we
[09:14] <cbx33> LaserJock, what network is it at the moment?
[09:14] <ogra> well, you should match the minimal requirements 
[09:14] <LaserJock> but we have 2 different types of computers, does that matter?
[09:15] <ogra> nope
[09:15] <LaserJock> what I'm wondering is, are is anything actually run on the client so that it would need drivers for instance?
[09:15] <ogra> ltsp will autodetect them
[09:16] <highvoltage> if it's different architechtures, it will make a difference.
[09:16] <ogra> yes
[09:16] <LaserJock> so arch, just different motherboards, video cards, etc.
[09:16] <cbx33> LaserJock, we're running out LTSP TEST server off of a laptop
[09:16] <LaserJock> s/so/same/
[09:17] <LaserJock> ok, so another issue is going to be opengl
[09:18] <ogra> GL is an issue, different boards arent
[09:18] <cbx33> what network do you have at the moment?
[09:18] <cbx33> windows/unix/linux?
[09:18] <ogra> ltsp uses very much the liveCD HW detection, so if you manage to boot ubuntu live, it will work with ltsp as well
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: windows
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: about 10 of them I think
[09:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, well if you wanted you could run dual boot for a while
[09:18] <LaserJock> ogra: ahhh, ok
[09:19] <cbx33> with the windows DHCP server still server ip addresses
[09:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: I think I'd have to anyway, unfortunately I doubt I can get rid of Windows altogether
[09:20] <cbx33> well, remember I have docs on that setup
[09:20] <LaserJock> we have too much stupid proprietary, Windows-only software the people rarely use but we have to justify the licenses I suppose :(
[09:21] <highvoltage> LaserJock: don't get me started on proprietary software with stupid licenses
[09:21] <highvoltage> :)
[09:21] <LaserJock> highvoltage: well we have at least one that has a parallel port key
[09:22] <LaserJock> and another that you have to go to the library and check out the cds in order to run
[09:23] <cbx33> me neither
[09:23] <LaserJock> anyway, if I can overcome the opengl problem then I think I'd have a reasonable chance of getting somewhere
[09:23] <cbx33> we're going to spend 4500 on some software to register kids every lesson
[09:23] <blue-frog> will dapper beburned ok on a 700MB disk overburned?
[09:23] <cbx33> and then over 2300 every year support
[09:24] <cbx33> I offered to make a solution for them for free
[09:24] <LaserJock> my idea is to have and edubuntu server that the faculty can use for labs and then have Ubuntu cds available for students to take home so they can have the same software at home
[09:24] <cbx33> but they wanted to spend 7000
[09:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, that's a great idea
[09:25] <LaserJock> the faculty are slow to realize that students like to do homework at their dorms and not at some lab
[09:25] <cbx33> heheh
[09:25] <LaserJock> so they push prorietary software that is too expensive for students to buy and then wonder why their students don't use it
[09:25] <cbx33> or why they use illegal copies
[09:26] <cbx33> as is the case at the school
[09:26] <highvoltage> LaserJock: wha'ts a parallel port key?
[09:27] <cbx33> LaserJock, a dongle?
[09:27] <LaserJock> highvoltage: you have to stick a key into the parallel port before the software can be run
[09:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, hardware copy protection
[09:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: can't be that, i don't have something that i call a dongle
[09:27] <cbx33> heheh
[09:27] <highvoltage> (me had to phrase that very carefully)
[09:27] <cbx33> I'm sure you did
[09:27] <blue-frog> dongle it is yes
[09:27] <highvoltage> oh, no, then we don't have that in common :)
[09:28] <cbx33> so are we still having an informal meeting tomorrow 12 and not one in the evening
[09:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: sorry, i misunderstood you originally
[09:28] <LaserJock> highvoltage: we call it a hardware key usually ;-)
[09:28] <LaserJock> cbx33: ?
[09:29] <cbx33> nn highvoltage 
[09:29] <cbx33> anything I can do?
[09:29] <highvoltage> goodnight cbx33 
[09:29] <cbx33> are you ok with me putting ESA into drupal
[09:29] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage 
[09:29] <cbx33> tonight
[09:29] <highvoltage> cya LaserJock 
[09:29] <cbx33> I won;t publish till you have seen it
[09:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, cool. do that. put it up, but don't publish yet.
[09:29] <cbx33> of course not
[09:29] <cbx33> :p
[09:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, do you know if anyone has looked at my getting started mail on the ML yet?
[09:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, not sure, I've  been kind of out of it lately trying to keep track of all my projects and research, etc.
[09:33] <cbx33> ok sorry
[09:33] <cbx33> Burgwork ?
[09:35] <cbx33> bbl guys
[09:43] <lucasvo> cbx33: http://pastebin.com/733605
[09:45] <Burgwork> cbx33, hmm?
[09:47] <LaserJock> Burgwork: he wanted to know if anybody had looked at his latest email on the doc ML
[09:48] <Burgwork> hmm, which one was that?
[09:48] <Burgwork> ah, yep, I see it
[09:51] <LaserJock> can all the thin clients use the same account?
[09:55] <blue-frog> technically yes
[10:40] <bluefrog-10> is installing workstation on a laptop aawfully long? got a black screen at the moment but the HDD is still working apparently and the CD as well
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> have two fixed rectangular cursor on my black screen
[10:41] <LaserJock> hmm, that doesn't sound good :/
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> yes meanwhile my first install choosing the server choice went good in just a few minutes
[10:56] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, can you give me a hand with a freenode matter?
[10:57] <HedgeMage> sure, drop me a /msg so I can keep track of it :)
[11:12] <cbx33> lucasvo, that's excellent news :p
[11:12] <cbx33> hopefully we'll be able to access your site soon
[11:13] <cbx33> Burgwork, did my doc look ok?
[11:13] <HedgeMage> okay, if/when TT naps today, I'm going to grab a shower and dedicate whatever time is left to cookbook
[11:13] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, have you tried switching to a different console
[11:14] <cbx33> HedgeMage, remember me for proofing
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> no didn't think of it as I am helping some guys on french ubuntu. have rebooted and trying again after having veriffied the cd
[11:14] <cbx33> I have a little bit more time now ESA is out of the way
[11:14] <HedgeMage> cbx33: will do, thanks :)
[11:14] <cbx33> well, I say out of the way
[11:14] <cbx33> I still have to mock it up in scribus
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> right now select and install software as before 35%, lately the problem occured a bit after so am waiting to see
[11:14] <cbx33> which is annyoing me a little since it doesn' handle transparency in pngs
[11:15] <cbx33> ok
[11:15] <cbx33> try watching on console4 when it gets near that point again
[11:17] <LaserJock> cbx33: are you ok with the changes I made with the apps section in ESA?
[11:18] <cbx33> yeh totally
[11:18] <cbx33> they look great
[11:18] <LaserJock> ok cool
[11:18] <cbx33> ogra, did you see the post on the ML about LTSP chroot build failing
[11:18] <cbx33> he mentions it's on an OLD piece of hardware
[11:19] <cbx33> did you say the time problem is fixed now, havn't read through fully thought I'd mention it
[11:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: question. is each thin client instance a seperate chroot on the server?
[11:19] <cbx33> no
[11:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, the LTSP works basically like terminal server on windows, hence the name
[11:20] <cbx33> in essence the chroot is just a very small install that just loads an SSH connection and X server session to talk to the main server
[11:20] <LaserJock> I'm afraid I've never done anything like this before :/
[11:20] <cbx33> you then log into the main server essentially over an SSH link
[11:21] <cbx33> if you get my drift
[11:21] <LaserJock> ahh, ok that makes more sense
[11:21] <cbx33> all the chroot does is do all the HW detection for the clients
[11:21] <cbx33> and setup the X SSH session
[11:21] <cbx33> after that you are using the normal install on the server for all the programs etc
[11:22] <LaserJock> ok, I use VNC a fair bit, it would be similar to that I suppose
[11:22] <cbx33> yes indeed
[11:23] <cbx33> it's a litle different in that it uses ldm to present a login screen
[11:23] <cbx33> but the back end of that is SSH to the server
[11:23] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, same thing I managed to see at what point.. around 59% black screen, all consoles are frozen
[11:23] <LaserJock> so how do you keep people from screwing up your server? 
[11:24] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, did you try the special kernel debug keys
[11:24] <cbx33> LaserJock, good question
[11:24] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, no as I don't know what they are
[11:25] <bluefrog-10> oh it's a choice at boot?
[11:25] <cbx33> no
[11:25] <bluefrog-10> ah
[11:25] <cbx33> search the wiki for debugging a crash
[11:25] <cbx33> it's to do with the SysReq key
[11:25] <cbx33> and Alt
[11:25] <cbx33> and T
[11:25] <cbx33> Alt+SysReq+T
[11:25] <cbx33> IIRC
[11:28] <cbx33> Burgwork, now that was odd :p
[11:28] <HedgeMage> cbx33: he's setting up some stuff on another chan
[11:29] <cbx33> ah :p
[11:29] <Burgwork> cbx33, just took control of #ubuntu-ca, so I need to fix that
[11:30] <cbx33> hehe
[11:30] <cbx33> HedgeMage, i lost me password to an old nick that I had.  Any chance I can get it back?
[11:31] <HedgeMage> if it can be done, I'll do it :)
[11:31] <HedgeMage> just drop me a /msg
[11:41] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, from what i understand the keys may give you a chance when it's crash on a running system not during install, anyway tried them with no luck
[11:41] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, well in essence it is a running system
[11:41] <cbx33> but I'm guessing it didn't work
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> fn keys not working on vaio laptop
[11:51] <cbx33> :(
[11:51] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, submitted bug?
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> done it 3 or 4 months ago..
[11:52] <cbx33> :(
[11:52] <bluefrog-10> am trying to install from livecd to see if i have same problem
[11:52] <cbx33> sorry bluefrog-10 if I was skilled in that area I'd fix it for you
[11:52] <cbx33> ok
[11:53] <cbx33> i would think you probably would
[11:53] <cbx33> but i'll keep my fingers crossed
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> no problem I don' t really care about them it's just i tried desperately to lower the sound when launching gcompris :)
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> hoping it would work now :)
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> the graphical install from livecd is very nice, making me sweat but very nice :)
[11:59] <bluefrog-10> it's stuck at 0% of resizing partition when it's not supposed to resize anything :)
[12:15] <HedgeMage> eek!
[12:17] <HedgeMage> that would make me nervous, too
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> well 20 minutes after am still on it
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> cd running from time to time
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> HDD blinking
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> woops
[12:18] <bluefrog-10> went thru in a split second right now
[12:19] <bluefrog-10> clicked on install..
[12:19] <cbx33> hehe
[12:20] <bluefrog-10> what i don't like though is the fact it's saing creating bla bla in partition number 3..
[12:20] <bluefrog-10> instead of /dev/hda8
[12:21] <bluefrog-10> not deadly but makes me frown :)
[12:23] <bluefrog-10> I like the ETA
[12:26] <cbx33> hi Bluekuja 
[12:26] <Bluekuja> oooh pete 
[12:26] <Bluekuja> :)
[12:26] <Bluekuja> how much time man?
[12:26] <cbx33> a whiley?
[12:26] <cbx33> while y?
[12:27] <cbx33> brb
[12:27] <Bluekuja> oki ping me when you return
[12:28] <HedgeMage> hi Bluekuja 
[12:30] <Bluekuja> hello HedgeMage :)
[12:30] <Bluekuja> how are you?
[12:30] <HedgeMage> okay, just running behind on some things
[12:30] <Bluekuja> oh irc stuff?
[12:31] <Bluekuja> or something related to your life?
[12:32] <HedgeMage> little of all of the above
[12:37] <Bluekuja> oh oki, i hope you'll get out from that
[12:37] <Bluekuja> ;)
[12:40] <HedgeMage> :) working on it!
[12:40] <Bluekuja> good luck then
[12:40] <bluefrog-10> cool reboot is working normally compared to breezy on my laptop
[12:40] <bluefrog-10> what I don't understand is the grub menu
[12:40] <Bluekuja> bluefrog-10: what are you talking about?
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> have kernel 2.6.15 and ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[12:41] <Bluekuja> oh you're testing
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> what's the difference
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> yes
[12:43] <bluefrog-10> well i understand one difference when I choose ubuntu 6.06 LTS I can't log in. it rejects my user and/or my password
[12:44] <cbx33> ping Bluekuja 
[12:44] <Bluekuja> oi pete
[12:45] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, can you have a quick look at what i just wrote above pls?
[12:45] <cbx33> what about it?
[12:46] <bluefrog-10> at grub menu at boot have kernel 2.6.15 and ubuntu 6.06 LTS what's the difference?
[12:46] <bluefrog-10> after an install from livecd
[12:46] <cbx33> hmmm
[12:46] <bluefrog-10> which took awfully long but worked
[12:46] <cbx33> not sure tried them both?
[12:46] <cbx33> ah
[12:46] <cbx33> ok
[12:46] <cbx33> hmm....not sure tbh
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> kernel blaba let's me log in, ubuntu not
[12:47] <cbx33> it's not the LTSP boot is it?
[12:47] <cbx33> which means it'd be looking for an LTSP server
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> ubnut lts choice doesn't let me log in
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> ah ok
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> huh?
[12:47] <bluefrog-10> looking for a server?
[12:49] <bluefrog-10> you mean complete workstation but looking to get it's authentication from a ldap like server?
[12:49] <bluefrog-10> while kernel 2.6.15 choice is an ltsp server?
[12:52] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, no it's not an lts boot, i don't have any ltsp server running
[12:53] <cbx33> no
[12:53] <cbx33> but it may be an option
[12:53] <bluefrog-10> hum why is there a bit torrent tracker activated btw?
[12:53] <bluefrog-10> just saw it stopping down when I was shutting down pc
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> well am gonna hit the sac..I'll be here tomorrow to ask about those two choices in grub, ty
[12:55] <cbx33> nn bluefrog-10 
[12:55] <cbx33> you still around Bluekuja 
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> and about bit torrent :)
[12:55] <Bluekuja> cbx33: yep
[12:55] <cbx33> np bluefrog-10 
[12:55] <cbx33> howz it going
[12:55] <cbx33> havn't seen you in a while
[12:55] <bluefrog-10> so for a quick briefing, dapper install failed twice
[12:56] <Bluekuja> yeah, I'm working  a lot on packages
[12:56] <bluefrog-10> install from dapper live went good but long
[12:56] <Bluekuja> both debian and rpm
[12:56] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, if you can identify where it would be good
[12:56] <cbx33> Bluekuja, for gnome?
[12:56] <cbx33> packaging?
[12:57] <Bluekuja> well i packaged some gnome programs too, but i'm working on 3 packages for Debian (Ctorrent, gtorrent-viewer, v2strip) and 2 rpm for fedora (ctorrent,v2strip)
[12:57] <cbx33> ah cool
[12:58] <Bluekuja> i'm working with a debian developer for deb packages
[12:58] <cbx33> cool
[12:58] <Bluekuja> yeah, it is. I've also read a lot of guides,howtos and so on in the last 3 weeks
[12:59] <cbx33> nice
[12:59] <Bluekuja> and then a lot of practice
[12:59] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: incuding the Ubuntu Packaging Guide?
[12:59] <cbx33> LaserJock, now that doc rocks....
[12:59] <cbx33> who wrote that again ? :p
[12:59] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: yes you suggested me to read it some days ago
[12:59] <LaserJock> some idiot from ubuntu-doc I think
[01:00] <cbx33> i heard he's pretty darn good
[01:00] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: and so i followed your suggestion
[01:00] <Bluekuja> yeah, its a really nice guide
[01:00] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: I just wondered if you actually read it ;-)
[01:00] <HedgeMage> lol
[01:00] <cbx33> several times :p
[01:00] <Bluekuja> in fact it's one of the best guides i've found in the web
[01:01] <LaserJock> great, Ubuntu community strikes again :-)
[01:01] <Bluekuja> i want to say Great work to the writer but i dont know who is he :p
[01:01] <Bluekuja> hehe jk
[01:02] <cbx33> right I'm off to bed
[01:02] <cbx33> nn #edubuntu
[01:02] <HedgeMage> night night cbx33 
[01:02] <Bluekuja> anyway very nice work jordan, you have done a great thing
[01:02] <Bluekuja> cya pete :)
[01:02] <LaserJock> cya cbx33 
[01:03] <cbx33> nn all
[01:03] <cbx33> LaserJock, know who would get that getting started doc into the repo
[01:03] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: for how much time have you worked on it?
[01:03] <LaserJock> cbx33: I guess I can ask mdke real quick and then commit it
[01:04] <cbx33> nah it;s fine
[01:04] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: lots and lots :-)
[01:04] <cbx33> when you get a second
[01:04] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: I spent ~ 10 hrs a day for 3 days to finish it
[01:04] <LaserJock> right before the doc freeze
[01:04] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: well it's a complete guide in every part
[01:04] <LaserJock> well, there is a lot more to be done
[01:04] <cbx33> nn guys
[01:05] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: yeah, but anyway what is ready now is great
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm pretty excited about what we can do with the Edgy version
[01:05] <cbx33> me too
[01:05] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: thank you
[01:05] <LaserJock> I'm glad it helped
[01:05] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: np :) 
[01:06] <Bluekuja> yeah, it explains things in a linear way, easy to understand
[01:06] <Bluekuja> so you can read it thousand times
[01:06] <Bluekuja> without get bored
[01:06] <Bluekuja> hehe ;)
[01:09] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: did you read the Debian New Maintainers Guide?
[01:09] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: of course
[01:09] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: also packaging library files
[01:09] <Bluekuja> guide
[01:10] <LaserJock> Bluekuja: did you find the Ubuntu guide better/easier, honestly?
[01:12] <Bluekuja> LaserJock: well in Debian new main guide there are more points covered like debian/* files explanation and so on, anyway Ubuntu Guide is easier to understand and apply
[01:12] <Bluekuja> of course, as you said before, its not complete
[01:13] <Bluekuja> so maybe in the future when it'll cover more points ,it 'll be perfect
[01:13] <Bluekuja> what do you think?
[01:13] <LaserJock> ok, cool. that is what I was thinking as well
[01:13] <LaserJock> I just didn't have enough time to cover all the topics I wanted to
[01:14] <LaserJock> as long as what's there seems good, it will be pretty easy to add a lot more material for Edgy
[01:15] <Bluekuja> yeah, exactly. I think that with Edgy release there will be more news from Ubuntu packaging guide side
[01:15] <Bluekuja> if you need an hand, just ask
[01:15] <LaserJock> specifically, I want to add more on patch systems and making patches, more CDBS, and more actual examples
[01:15] <Bluekuja> yeah, right. Examples are important
[01:16] <Bluekuja> so add how many examples you can
[01:16] <LaserJock> yeah, the problem is getting examples that stay current during the whole release
[01:17] <LaserJock> that is why I chose the hello packages
[01:18] <Bluekuja> oh oki, have you ever taken a look to library packaging guide?
[01:19] <LaserJock> not a lot
[01:19] <LaserJock> do you have the URL handy?
[01:19] <crimsun> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html comes to mind.
[01:20] <Bluekuja> exactly crimsum
[01:20] <Bluekuja> :)
[01:20] <crimsun> the DD should be familiar already (i.e., pbuilder)
[01:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: comes to mind?
[01:20] <crimsun> LaserJock: ?
[01:21] <LaserJock> that url comes to mind? that's a pretty good memory
[01:21] <crimsun> it's bookmarked.
[01:22] <crimsun> I do have a ridiculous knack for uris, though.
[01:23] <LaserJock> my problem is that I use way too many computers so I have different bookmarks on different computers in different browsers
[01:23] <crimsun> there are quite a few solutions to that.
[01:23] <crimsun> yahoo has their own Web 2.0 or whatever that tracks bookmarks on your personalised site
[01:24] <crimsun> I'd be surprised if Google didn't have something similar
[01:25] <LaserJock> hmm, I'll have to try that out
[01:26] <crimsun> something else to try is http://www2.cali.org/scuttle/about.php
[01:26] <LaserJock> I really need a way of tracking things, pieces of paper all over my desk isn't really cutting it
[01:26] <crimsun> I'm attempting to find my former co-worker's online bookmark manager at UMN, but her url escapes me atm
[01:27] <crimsun> you don't happen to use beagle, do you?
[01:27] <LaserJock> no
[01:28] <crimsun> (neither do I, but it probably hooks into this somehow)
[01:28] <LaserJock> since I'm hardly ever actually *at* an Ubuntu box
[01:29] <LaserJock> I've done a personal wiki before, but it is hard to make something that I can access for anywhere
[01:29] <crimsun> well, you mentioned wanting to learn Python further. Here ya go: http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/topics/xbel/
[01:30] <LaserJock> hehe, cool
[01:33] <LaserJock> crimsun: I guess what I really need is my own server :-)
[01:33] <crimsun> that's a bit overkill, really
[01:34] <LaserJock> actually, if I had my own wiki space I'd probably be fairly content, as it is I have info spread over ~ 6 computers that may or may not be accessible at any given time
[01:35] <crimsun> ...you do have your own wiki space
[01:36] <crimsun> you could easily delegate underneath wiki.u.c/$you
[01:36] <LaserJock> yeah, but I hate doing that. anyway, I'm getting us waaay OT
[01:48] <Bluekuja> cya LaserJock, cya crimsum
[01:48] <Bluekuja> I've to go
[01:48] <Bluekuja> see you tomorrow, goodnight
[01:50] <LaserJock> cya Bluekuja 
[02:10] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:11] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[04:12] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation check
[04:13] <LaserJock> cool
[04:18] <LaserJock> I'm going to try out ogra's rsyncer.sh on i386 live
[04:19] <jsgotangco> yeah that script is pretty neat
[04:20] <LaserJock> I think rsyncing of iso should be better advertised
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i will give ogra my patch later
[06:10] <LaserJock> yeah, I got the i386 live up
[06:11] <LaserJock> ohhh, the gnome splash screen is nice
[06:11] <LaserJock> why couldn't they have made the background that color :/
[06:16] <jsgotangco> the green one that is a bit luminous?
[06:17] <LaserJock> kinda aquamarine or something
[06:17] <jsgotangco> yeah that's cool
[06:19] <LaserJock> hmm, it isn't so fast on my 1.3GHz P4 with 256MB RAM
[06:20] <crimsun> note the significance of RAM.
[06:22] <LaserJock> yep, I should try it on my 2.1GHz AMD with 1 GB of RAM
[06:22] <crimsun> you guys make me sick :p
[06:22] <Laser_away> crimsun: why?
[06:22] <crimsun> (hardware)
[06:23] <Laser_away> well, most of it is lab computers
[06:23] <crimsun> heh, our labs are P2 300s
[06:23] <Laser_away> I've got 1 desktop and 1 laptop for the wife
[06:23] <Laser_away> crimsun: we have 4 intel iMacs and a 2.6GHz P4 for data collection ;-)
[06:24] <crimsun> heh
[06:24] <Laser_away> anyway, good night
[06:24] <jsgotangco> night
[06:24] <jsgotangco> wished i had a mac
[06:24] <crimsun> 'night lj
[06:58] <cbx33> moorrniinng
[07:05] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: it isn't always so nice. it has taken some time for a lot of the software to have x86 versions
[07:07] <crimsun> (aren't you supposed to be asleep?)
[07:07] <HedgeMage> yes.
[07:07] <Laser_away> crimsun: on my way ;-) just got home from school
[07:08] <crimsun> I definitely am, so I suppose this is going on my fifth day without sleep.
[07:08] <HedgeMage> lol thought you meant me
[07:08] <HedgeMage> it seems sleeplessness is a trend around here
[07:08] <Laser_away> yikes, I have to have 8 hrs a day. I don't think I'll make professor
[07:09] <crimsun> it's easy to have a consistent schedule when you don't have six million things to attend to
[07:09] <crimsun> it's easy to get 8hrs of sleep even when you do; you just blow off some stuff :-)
[07:09] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:22] <Laser_away> crimsun: the more I see what my advisor has to do on a daily basis the less I'm inclined to go into academia
[07:22] <cbx33> Laser_away, heheh
[07:23] <crimsun> trust me, it blows. /'scuse the language.
[07:23] <cbx33> just so that I could be at the cutting edge, and teach people at the same time
[07:23] <crimsun> the sole redeeming thing about it is the flexibility of the hours
[07:24] <crimsun> granted, when you're up at 5 AM not of your free will, it doesn't seem to be very flexible...
[07:30] <jsgotangco> back
[07:30] <jsgotangco> i just sleep all day on weekends
[07:30] <jsgotangco> just to make up
[07:31] <jsgotangco> (especially sunday)
[07:31] <cbx33> my wife would kill me f I did that
[07:31] <cbx33> :p
[07:31] <cbx33> plus it's an opportunity for extra linux time
[07:31] <cbx33> :p
[07:31] <jsgotangco> heh my work is already linux related
[07:33] <jsgotangco> (although very little of it is developmental in nature)
[08:41] <cbx33> wow small crowd :p
[08:41] <cbx33> if I want to upgrade a breezy box to dapper, do I just edit the sources.list file ala breezy/dapper and run apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:44] <jsgotangco> cbx33: gksu update-manager -d
[08:44] <jsgotangco> if you want it graphical :)
[08:44] <cbx33> ok cool
[08:44] <cbx33> did my update make it into the repo yet?
[08:45] <jsgotangco> http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/?p=14
[08:45] <cbx33> k np
[08:45] <cbx33> sorry jsgotangco 
[08:47] <cbx33> hat's great but I don't have an Upgrade button
[08:47] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[08:49] <bimberi> !upgrade
[08:49] <ubotu> from memory, upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[08:49] <bimberi> cbx33: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[08:50] <HedgeMage> hi there :)
[08:50] <jsgotangco> cbx33: make sure your breezy is updated, u-m has a patch for that so that when you gksu the new version should appear and ask you if you want to upgrade
[08:51] <cbx33> ok, only updates I see atm are for dia and mysql, but hang tight and I'll just run the update again
[08:51] <bimberi> hi HedgeMage, jsgotangco, cbx33, ... :)
[08:52] <cbx33> nope still no upgrade button
[08:52] <HedgeMage> hi bimberi 
[08:52] <cbx33> gksu-run: :0.0gksu-run: da60428046fe0d9c5fa11f4d6a29f12d/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt/__init__.py:17: FutureWarning: apt API not stable yet
[08:57] <bimberi> hmmk - i'll try my breezy boot - brb
[09:12] <bimberi> cbx33: i get that warning message too but it's working here (the button appears) - does 'lsb_release -a' say you have breezy?
[09:13] <cbx33> LSB Version:    n/aDistributor ID: UbuntuDescription:    Ubuntu (The Breezy Badger Release)Release:        5.10Codename:       breezy
[09:13] <bimberi> hmmk :/
[09:13] <cbx33> whoops
[09:14] <cbx33> grrrr not online
[09:14] <bimberi> :)
[09:14] <bimberi> that's it - go straight to the top :)
[09:15] <cbx33> except mvo isn't online
[09:15] <cbx33> :S
[09:17] <bimberi> cbx33: https://launchpad.net/people/mvo has other contact details
[09:17] <cbx33> true
[09:18] <cbx33> dholbach said he'd be around in a while
[09:35] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, you got accpeted?
[09:36] <Amaranth> yep
[09:36] <Burgundavia> sweet
[09:36] <bimberi> \o/
[09:36] <Burgundavia> you see taht vista is going to ship with parental controls right there?
[09:38] <Amaranth> ?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> just a sec
[09:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic26334.html
[09:42] <Burgundavia> what that doesn't show is timebased restrictions
[09:48] <cbx33> !seen highvoltage
[09:48] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 12h 19m 6s ago, saying: 'cya LaserJock '.
[10:03] <jsgotangco> hmm no rsync result...do i smell edubuntu RC?
[12:20] <ogra> jsgotangco, not really
[12:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: ive been testing today, so far no issue
[12:20] <ogra> seems i386 live is ok now but powerpc broke alongside
[12:20] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[12:20] <jsgotangco> (amd64 that is)
[12:21] <ogra> he just added all fonts that are used in ubuntu to our cd
[12:21] <ogra> err
[12:21] <ogra> s/fonts/lnags
[12:21] <ogra> *langs
[12:23] <cbx33> did someone say there is a seperate iso for ubuntu server?
[12:24] <jsgotangco> ouchhh
[12:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yes
[12:24] <jsgotangco> plesae check cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:24] <cbx33> thanks jsgotangco 
[12:24] <jsgotangco> cbx33: we don't really make regular milestone releases for ubuntu-server but we have flight 6 i believe
[12:24] <jsgotangco> aside from me i dunno anyone who tests it outside the core team
[12:24] <cbx33> ok that's fine as longas it installs
[12:26] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah i think all the langs are now automatically uploaded
[12:27] <cbx33> one thing I have noticed, is that downloading an iso from the cdimages.ubuntu.com site breaks a lot
[12:27] <cbx33> using wget it's ok it retries
[12:27] <cbx33> but something like ff, which is what a lot of non-techie people will use doesn't
[12:28] <cbx33> JaneW: is our unofficial meeting in here today, and do you want minutes?
[12:29] <cbx33> ogra: do we have the exmaple content in edubuntu cd iso?
[12:30] <JaneW> cbx33: just some brief notes if possible
[12:30] <cbx33> ok np
[12:30] <cbx33> is it in here
[12:31] <jsgotangco> no we don't have example content if there was it would have already been symlinked to home
[12:31] <cbx33> ok cool was just gonna say that package is massive
[12:32] <spacey> ah
[12:32] <spacey> meeting soon
[12:32] <cbx33> well 1.5 hours I believe :p
[12:32] <spacey> ill try not to forget
[12:32] <spacey> mad busy
[12:32] <jsgotangco> i need to go home then
[12:32] <cbx33> spacey: i know the feeling
[12:32] <spacey> but i do have some cool news,
[12:33] <spacey> at least it think its cool if its really gonna happen
[12:33] <spacey> i'll save it up for the meeting
[12:33] <jsgotangco> on what?
[12:33] <spacey> =P
[12:33] <ogra> cbx33, you are joking, right ? 
[12:33] <ogra> example-content is >10MB
[12:34] <ogra> (probably even >20MB i didnt look for a while) :)
[12:35] <jsgotangco> jeezz seems we're really struggling for space...
[12:35] <jsgotangco> by the kb...
[12:35] <ogra> i'll dropp some essential stuff now ;)
[12:35] <cbx33> ogra: i was joking
[12:35] <cbx33> i just saw it pop up on my dapper upgrade
[12:35] <jsgotangco> are you removing build-essential from the cd?
[12:36] <ogra> from the livecd
[12:36] <jsgotangco> ahh yes
[12:36] <ogra> hmm
[12:37] <cbx33> it sux that everyone isn't using DVDs now
[12:37] <blue-frog> hi
[12:37] <jsgotangco> even if they do, it'll take a while to grab a dvd image
[12:38] <ogra> gah
[12:38] <blue-frog> question to ogra about install from livecd
[12:38] <cbx33> jsgotangco: until the Net 2 comes out :p
[12:38] <cbx33> hahahaha
[12:38] <ogra> we dont have it yet ... noting to drop :/
[12:38] <cbx33> blue-frog: shoot
[12:38] <ogra> (build-essential that is)
[12:38] <ogra> blue-frog, go for it 
[12:38] <blue-frog> gives me 2 choices at grub.. ubuntu kernel 2.6.15 AND ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[12:39] <blue-frog> first one let's me log in
[12:39] <blue-frog> second one ignoers either my user and/or my password
[12:39] <jsgotangco> gee
[12:39] <blue-frog> what's the difference between the 2 choices?
[12:39] <ogra> was there a install on the machine before you used the liveCD for installation ? 
[12:39] <blue-frog> xp and breezy install
[12:39] <ogra> (you should only have one option)
[12:40] <cbx33> but I can't remember where
[12:40] <blue-frog> made a server install from edubuntu cd as well but on hda8 where i installed from livecd and formated hda8
[12:40] <cbx33> what does the grub conf say
[12:40] <blue-frog> i still have xp and breezy options as well of course..
[12:41] <blue-frog> grub.conf where do I find that?
[12:41] <cbx33>  /boot/grub/menu.1st
[12:41] <cbx33> i think
[12:41] <blue-frog> going to log in using the kernel 2.6.15 option
[12:41] <cbx33> unless it's changed.....
[12:41] <cbx33> then put the result in a pastebin
[12:41] <blue-frog> oh menu lst ok hang on booting
[12:42] <blue-frog> ok stop got it
[12:42] <cbx33> :p
[12:42] <blue-frog> kernel 2.6.15 is on hda3
[12:42] <blue-frog> now I am not happy about that because...
[12:42] <blue-frog> from the live cd install I chose (almost sure but am going to do another install in few minutes
[12:43] <ogra> blue-frog, the "server" install willl be dropped during this week, no need to test that
[12:43] <blue-frog> was not really testing
[12:43] <blue-frog> was surprised to see workstation AND server
[12:43] <blue-frog> so I took server at first
[12:44] <blue-frog> but i erased it right after installation
[12:44] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[12:44] <jsgotangco> see ya at the meeting then
[12:45] <blue-frog> so from livecd install I chose hda8 to install but then the installer was talking to me about installing on partiton number 3, I recall that I was surprised to see that yesterday night
[12:45] <cbx33> blue-frog: i remember you saying that
[12:46] <blue-frog> am going to boot on breezy format hda8 AND hda3 then will do another install from livecd
[12:46] <blue-frog> btw install ffrom dapper-install-i386 hangs up on my sony laptop
[12:47] <ogra> blue-frog, you dont happen to run 2.6.15 on your breezy install ? 
[12:47] <blue-frog> while it runs from livecd (slowly but goes thru anyway
[12:47] <blue-frog> no ogra
[12:47] <blue-frog> 2.6.12 or so
[12:47] <cbx33> :p
[12:48] <blue-frog> 2.6.12.10 fro breezy
[12:53] <blue-frog> also ogra I have seen quickly a bit torrent tracker service stopping down yesterday, what is it about?
[12:56] <ogra> blue-frog, <Kamion> ogra: please get the user to file a coherent bug report, attaching /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:56] <blue-frog> will do after new install if still the same
[12:56] <ogra> its a bt tracker ... to speed up your torrent stuff if you do some ...
[12:56] <ogra> its there since breezy already
[12:57] <cbx33> indeed it is :D
[12:57] <blue-frog> oh never noticed it in breezy ok then
[12:57] <blue-frog> well for grub won't have duplicate stuff as am reasing hda8 AND hda#
[12:57] <blue-frog> 3
[12:58] <ogra> if it still appears, please file a bug ... 
[12:58] <blue-frog> where are the system tools gone?
[12:58] <blue-frog> ok got them
[12:58] <ogra> and also please wait with reinstalls in such cases, its very important to find all hidden ubiquity bugs 
[12:59] <blue-frog> ubiquity comes from me now i know as kernel 2.16.15 was on had3 and ubuntu lts was on hda8
[12:59] <blue-frog> was late yesterday so i didn't see that
[12:59] <ogra> ah,k 
[01:00] <blue-frog> that's why i reinstall from livecd after erasing both hda8 and 3
[01:00] <blue-frog> which leaves me only with breezy and xp now
[01:00] <ogra> we're all just highly alerted if you find any bug in ubiquity atm ... its our most critical addition in dapper
[01:00] <blue-frog> the thing thouthg is that ubuntu lts wouldn't let me log in
[01:01] <cbx33> ogra: is there any more testing you need for ubiquity?
[01:01] <ogra> indeed
[01:01] <ogra> but not on ppc :)
[01:02] <ogra> i'll have to get that back in shape first
[01:03] <cbx33> I can't test ppc
[01:03] <cbx33> unlessyou have a machien to donate to me :p
[01:05] <ogra> i only have only one myself ... 
[01:05] <ogra> (and thats even my main working machine)+
[01:05] <cbx33> heheh
[01:06] <cbx33> OMW, dapper is FASSTTT
[01:14] <spacey> ok, i'm off to my office, so im on time for the meeting, bbl
[01:27] <blue-frog> was too tired yesterday night to make the install. installing from livecd right where I told it to install... so this was my fault to have an install on hda3 insteda of 8
[01:31] <ogra> ah, k
[01:32] <blue-frog> one thing though which surprises me, yesterday night took me 45 minutes to install, right now ETA is 20 minutes... weird
[01:33] <blue-frog> on same computer of course..
[01:34] <cbx33> oh joy dave-YL is here 
[01:34] <cbx33> :p
[01:34] <ogra> :)
[01:34] <cbx33> I've been giving him grief today
[01:35] <cbx33> making him think for himself
[01:35] <ogra> you evil guy :P
[01:37] <cbx33> i know I'm awful
[01:39] <blue-frog> is the ltsp server activated upon boot with the livecd?
[01:39] <ogra> there is no server stuff at all on the liveCD
[01:39] <cbx33> ltsp server isn't on the live cd is it ogra ?
[01:40] <ogra> neither ltsp nor schooltool is there
[01:40] <cbx33> i have a box I'm not allowed to open or install on.....so a live ltsp server would be great
[01:40] <blue-frog> oh ok so the edubuntu livd cd is just a "normal" workstation
[01:40] <ogra> you wouldnt have fun with it
[01:40] <cbx33> in essence yes
[01:40] <ogra> blue-frog, yep
[01:40] <cbx33> ogra: you said it was easy
[01:40] <cbx33> :p
[01:41] <blue-frog> it installs an ltsp server though, correct?
[01:41] <ogra> blue-frog, nope
[01:41] <blue-frog> :(
[01:41] <ogra> its a plain workstation liveCD
[01:41] <ogra> and only installs whats in the live session
[01:41] <ogra> (shipit wont have the liveCD btw)
[01:41] <blue-frog> rats as I can't install from the "normal"cd then..
[01:41] <cbx33> I have to find a use for this Dual processor machine with 2Gb of ram
[01:42] <cbx33> live cd is my only option :)
[01:42] <cbx33> well the only sensible option
[01:42] <ogra> blue-frog, you can install the WS veryion and add the server stuff manually later 
[01:42] <ogra> its a bit manual work but works as well
[01:43] <blue-frog> afraid that i will have to do that, i will try to install on another machine the "normal" edubuntu cd to see if it hangs on me as it does on my laptop
[01:44] <JaneW> *reminder* Edubuntu informal meeting here in 15 mins
[01:45] <blue-frog> btw you told me that ther is a bit torrent tracker service running on breezy, I have not such a thing and for sure I din't uninstalled such a thing..
[01:45] <ogra> JaneW, seen my conversation with jelkner in -meeting ?
[01:45] <JaneW> no
[01:46] <JaneW> HAHA
[01:46] <ogra> :)
[01:51] <blue-frog> ok i understand the torrent thing, was ps ax | grep bit or to or tra  but it is not listed as such
[01:53] <cbx33> don;t tell dave-YL anything :p
[01:53] <cbx33> hehe
[01:53] <cbx33> I'm just kidding
[01:54] <cbx33> if he asks a good question...
[01:55] <dave-YL> can someone help me, i what to upgrade from breezy to dapper 
[01:55] <ogra> blue-frog, it doesnt run unless you set up a torrent tracker to serve other people 
[01:56] <blue-frog> ah ok
[01:56] <ogra> dave-YL, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[01:56] <cbx33> oh ogra :p
[01:56] <dave-YL> thank you
[01:57] <cbx33> was trying to inject a small amount of RTFM heheheh
[01:59] <JaneW> yikes I am so busy
[01:59] <JaneW> someone make time slow down!
[02:00] <blue-frog> one minor thing, the gimp and thunderbird (amongst others) are still not getting their icons from the gartoon theme, is there a place where I can read about the fetching mechanism?
[02:00] <ogra> heh
[02:00] <pips1> meeting now or in the evening?
[02:00] <JaneW> now
[02:00] <pips1> ta
[02:01] <ogra> blue-frog, they simply have no icon in gartoon and the system automatically falls back to the hicolor theme 
[02:01] <blue-frog> well i can see an icon for thunder and gimp in /usr/share/icons/gratoon/sclable/apps
[02:01] <cbx33> <!---------------------------meeting notes start here------------------->
[02:02] <JaneW> ok let's do this
[02:02] <JaneW> I'd prefer to not ramble as I have a lot to sort out, so let's try to stick to the point and stay on topic ;)
[02:03] <cbx33> works for me, makes my notes easier
[02:03] <JaneW> firstly it is still not common knowledge, but I will be leaving Canonical in mid-June
[02:04] <cbx33> :(
[02:04] <JaneW> no offficial notice has gone out yet, and I have actually been ask not to circulate the news too braodly BUT
[02:04] <cbx33> I may just forget to minute that
[02:04] <JaneW> we need to plan how to hand over all my tasks
[02:04] <cbx33> JaneW: indeed
[02:04] <cbx33> what did you have in mind?
[02:04] <JaneW> and I don't want it to be too last minute and for stuff to be dropped
[02:04] <JaneW> mhz agreed to help administer the edubuntu devel lists
[02:05] <JaneW> it is not something ogra should be doing
[02:05] <JaneW> jdub has set up the edubuntu-users one AFAIK
[02:05] <JaneW> ideally I think someone should own both of those
[02:05] <cbx33> JaneW: waves
[02:05] <JaneW> there is a LOT of spam sent to e-d atm
[02:05] <JaneW> and I send a lot of time filtering that
[02:05] <JaneW> cbx33: cool, I'll add you the the admin list
[02:05] <pips1> (erm, shouldn't we be in ubuntu-meeting? I see some folks over there...)
[02:06] <cbx33> ok great
[02:06] <JaneW> cbx33: let me know what address to use
[02:06] <cbx33> ok. i think silentkeystroke@googlemail.com
[02:06] <jsgotangco> tadaaaa
[02:06] <ogra> JaneW, i still own both MLs
[02:07] <ogra> (i'd appreciate help for -users though)
[02:07] <jsgotangco> we have edubuntu-users???
[02:07] <ogra> but i havent gotten around to set it up completely yet
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: yes, I don't think you should get all the spam though
[02:07] <JaneW> unless you want it
[02:07] <ogra> JaneW, i want it ;) i have good filters in evo
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: can you add cbx33 to e-u too please?
[02:07] <JaneW> and mhz
[02:08] <ogra> yep, will do if i do the final setup
[02:08] <cbx33> ta ogra 
[02:08] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:08] <JaneW> I will stop culling the sapm from tomorrow \o/
[02:08] <JaneW> spam
[02:08] <cbx33> w00t
[02:08] <jsgotangco> how much do you get?
[02:08] <JaneW> ogra: let me know if you want me to help with setting that list up and announcing it etc
[02:08] <JaneW> LOADS
[02:08] <ogra> jsgotangco, not as much as from ubuntu-users :)
[02:08] <jsgotangco> wahahaha
[02:09] <jsgotangco> ubuntu-doc has like 100s too
[02:09] <cbx33> was it something we said :p
[02:10] <JaneW> ok so mailing lists are sorted
[02:10] <cbx33> what else?
[02:10] <JaneW> we also need people to send official announcements as appropriate
[02:10] <jsgotangco> annoucements?
[02:10] <cbx33> jsgotangco: you do some official announcements don't you?
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra normally handles the release announcements (jsgotangco helps)
[02:11] <jsgotangco> im drafting a release annoucement
[02:11] <cbx33> :D
[02:11] <jsgotangco> somewhere here...
[02:11] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:11] <JaneW> but minutes, council decisions etc need to be scribed and posted
[02:11] <cbx33> yes
[02:11] <jsgotangco> usually ogra or JaneW announces the relesae
[02:11] <JaneW> cbx33: want to take on that role?
[02:11] <cbx33> sure
[02:11] <JaneW> you can delegate as you need to
[02:11] <JaneW> so no need to do everything yourself, just make sure it happens
[02:12] <ogra> i'm not even sure we'll have separate announcements
[02:12] <cbx33> ok great
[02:12] <cbx33> I'll discuss with ogra when he has a second
[02:12] <jsgotangco> ogra: that would be ok i guess
[02:12] <jsgotangco> whatever mdz wishes
[02:12] <jsgotangco> huh?
[02:12] <jsgotangco> did i miss something here?
[02:13] <JaneW> I want to see edubuntu girl back in october
[02:13] <JaneW> then I'll know I was loved :P
[02:13] <jsgotangco> ??????
[02:13] <ogra> jsgotangco, JaneW leaves us
[02:13] <pips1> JaneW firstly it is still not common knowledge, but I will be leaving Canonical in mid-June
[02:13] <jsgotangco> can someone give me a cluebut????
[02:13] <jsgotangco> s/cluebut/cluebat
[02:13] <jsgotangco> WHAATTTTT
[02:13] <cbx33> yup, sux though it does
[02:14] <ogra> absolutely
[02:14] <JaneW> :`(
[02:14] <jsgotangco> i dunno what to say
[02:14] <JaneW> I am seriously hoping I can come to the oct gathering to see everyone and stay involved
[02:15] <cbx33> :D
[02:15] <JaneW> maybe I can get rehired!
[02:15] <cbx33> woohoo
[02:15] <JaneW> right in the mean time did the shipit info get added to the FAQ yet?
[02:15] <JaneW> cbx33 / highvoltage ? ^^
[02:16] <JaneW> and for those that don't yet know edubuntu CDS will be available
[02:16] <cbx33> but only in quantities of 5
[02:16] <JaneW> shipit.edubuntu.com
[02:16] <cbx33> isn't that right?
[02:16] <pips1> nice one
[02:16] <JaneW> cbx33: for now
[02:16] <cbx33> .org or .com ?
[02:16] <JaneW> com
[02:16] <ogra> everybody involved in documentation, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeNamesToVersionNumbers
[02:16] <ogra> (while we're at it)
[02:16] <cbx33> ogra: yup saw that earlier
[02:16] <flint> JaneW, Elkner reports that people are using the current homie artwork spontaneously as their desktops.  This is a good thing eh?
[02:17] <ogra> this needs to be sorted before release !!!
[02:17] <cbx33> will trawl through what I have seen
[02:17] <cbx33> and correct accordingly
[02:17] <ogra> flint, absolutely ! :)
[02:17] <cbx33> ogra: did you also want to mention about the wiki help move thing
[02:17] <cbx33> CategoryDocumentation
[02:17] <ogra> nope
[02:17] <cbx33> ok
[02:17] <JaneW> flint: yes glad to hear it
[02:18] <ogra> since i see the wiki as a more valuable doc place for us currently
[02:18] <flint> bbiam
[02:18] <ogra> there are not many docs we could move 
[02:18] <JaneW> ogra: you get to send a big 'told you so' to the art work officials ;P
[02:18] <cbx33> ogra: me too, but I was told it was all moving
[02:18] <cbx33> even edubuntu stuff
[02:18] <ogra> JaneW, already tols silbs in #c ;)
[02:18] <cbx33> hehe
[02:18] <ogra> cbx33, i dont want to have all of it moved and i told Burgwork so
[02:19] <cbx33> ok excellent
[02:19] <cbx33> I had my reservations and was going to voice them to you
[02:19] <pips1> sorry: move wiki content from where to where?
[02:19] <JaneW> cbx33: highvoltage said he had already given you admin rights on the site
[02:19] <ogra> it will do no harm if it gets moved to doc.u.c, but i will kill everybody who deletes edubuntu specific stuff from the wiki
[02:19] <JaneW> is that not the case?
[02:19] <JaneW> he told me that before I sent the mail to you re the FAQ
[02:20] <cbx33> JaneW: I do have admin now, but I didn't have the content
[02:20] <ogra> (as long as we had no time to review and sort it, which wont happen before release)
[02:20] <JaneW> cbx33: in mail
[02:20] <cbx33> no, my admin rights didn't work
[02:20] <cbx33> and i didn't get mail.... :S
[02:20] <JaneW> OIC
[02:20] <cbx33> thanky
[02:20] <cbx33> will work that up asap
[02:21] <pips1> where is highvoltage ? I was busy the last weeks, but now I want to touch base with him re website... JaneW do you know if he will be available, or is he currently too busy?
[02:22] <JaneW> pips1: I am not sure
[02:22] <pips1> hmm
[02:22] <cbx33> pips1: anything i can help with?
[02:22] <JaneW> pips1: I think he was around earlier and probably will be later
[02:22] <pips1> yeah, I'll try to catch him :-)
[02:22] <cbx33> btw i know highvoltage isworking on the new css theme
[02:22] <JaneW> so is our wiki/web responsibility covered?
[02:22] <ogra> he wantet to be around occasionally today (chatting via GSM)
[02:23] <cbx33> there is a difference in the php setup between our testing servers and the official edubuntu one, so we have to create it again from scratch
[02:23] <pips1> cbx33, lets talk after this meeting
[02:23] <cbx33> np pips1 
[02:24] <pips1> I mean, if there is other things that need discussion first?
[02:24] <pips1> are
[02:24] <pips1> JaneW ?
[02:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, you have editor rights!!!
[02:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes yell at him ;)
[02:25] <cbx33> please don;t yell....
[02:25] <pips1> hey highvoltage 
[02:25] <JaneW> pips1: ?
[02:25] <cbx33> :(
[02:25] <highvoltage> pips1: here briefly again now
[02:25] <JaneW> cbx33: joking...
[02:25] <cbx33> I didn't have editor rights at the time,and i never got the email ..... boo hoo
[02:25] <pips1> highvoltage, I want to touch base with you re website!
[02:25] <highvoltage> hey pips1 
[02:25] <JaneW> cbx33:  I think I have too many e-mail addresses for you
[02:25] <highvoltage> pips1: okay, we'll talk later, i'll be uploading the new new theme tonight
[02:26] <JaneW> and we both had mail server issues
[02:26] <jsgotangco> ...
[02:26] <cbx33> JaneW: besides it's already been done :p
[02:26] <cbx33> we did indeed
[02:26] <pips1> highvoltage, when is a good time for you to talk?
[02:26] <highvoltage> btw, is there a meeting now? i thought it was canceled? or is this the 'informal get-together'?
[02:26] <cbx33> informal
[02:26] <cbx33> group hugging session
[02:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: between you pips1 and cbx33 are the wiki/web maintenance and update functions covered?
[02:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: the latter
[02:26] <highvoltage> pips1: good question, tonight 7PM'ish?
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: on the web, that won't be a problem, since we planned launch with 6.06
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: wiki will need lots of work still
[02:27] <cbx33> mhz: he has a neural interface :p
[02:27] <pips1> highvoltage, 7pm should work (need to check with my wife though :-)
[02:27] <mhz> lol
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: cbx33 has been cleaning up a lot of it
[02:27] <cbx33> JaneW: I'm working on wiki when i can, new wiki front page is almost complete
[02:27] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am most concerned now that someone takes the reigns and makes sure what needs to happen does happen
[02:27] <highvoltage> JaneW: and we've got all the pages indexed, so conversion shouldn't cause to many problems
[02:28] <cbx33> I was trying to tie up LTSP pages before release
[02:28] <cbx33> and we've identified pages to be deleted
[02:28] <JaneW> I anticipate that edubuntu is going to get more focus in the next release, like kubuntu did in this one
[02:28] <highvoltage> JaneW: noted, i can let you at ease in a few hours from now, just need to sort out some stuff at work, and then i'm there
[02:28] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll draw up a plan tonight for the web / wiki version updates
[02:28] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:28] <JaneW> and it will be important that the team is organised and functional and seen to be working well, to be given more support and allowed to advance further
[02:29] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'm happy to give my progess reports on it
[02:29] <cbx33> JaneW: yes i agree
[02:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: that would be fantastic
[02:29] <cbx33> np ;)
[02:29] <ogra> JaneW, why ? 
[02:29] <JaneW> the thing is the better a community there is, the more belief there will be in it
[02:29] <ogra> JaneW, kubuntu wasnt organized either until recently :P
[02:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: sad to see you go for edubuntu, happy for you though
[02:29] <cbx33> hehe
[02:29] <JaneW> kubuntu proved itself as serious an sustainable and now it has been given more of a boost
[02:29] <cbx33> we're getting there
[02:29] <JaneW> edubuntu wil be looked at similarly
[02:30] <cbx33> and the more we can prove ourselves the more we can push it
[02:30] <ogra> yep, but they have a *lot* of users
[02:30] <ogra> we're still a niche product (and will stay one)
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: agreed the space is a bit different, but the principle is the same
[02:30] <cbx33> no reason we ca't have a massive user base, being in education gives us the opportunity for a massive one
[02:30] <ogra> i dont think anybody will put the same expectations on us
[02:30] <cbx33> ogra: not initially
[02:30] <cbx33> I hold big hopes for edubuntu
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: don't see it as a negative
[02:30] <ogra> even not in the future 
[02:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: being a niche products is often a good thing
[02:31] <jsgotangco> we're still niche
[02:31] <ogra> JaneW, i dont see that as negative
[02:31] <mhz> ogra: if FET is good, then we should have at least 5 Chilean schools using edubuntu (about at least 300 users)
[02:31] <ogra> but our audience is very specific ... that wont change
[02:31] <highvoltage> i bet you there are more people currently in school (read: potential edubuntu users) than there are kurrently kubuntu users ;)
[02:31] <cbx33> highvoltage: my point exactly
[02:31] <jsgotangco> we're still niche
[02:31] <JaneW> anyway the point is I do think that if this community shows it is functional and organised it will get a boost
[02:31] <ogra> right, but its still a specific audience 
[02:32] <ogra> JaneW, yep
[02:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: noted
[02:32] <cbx33> i think we're pretty well organised in structure terms...
[02:32] <JaneW> and I know there is an intention to start pushing into that market space more strongly
[02:32] <cbx33> at least everone know whos in charge of the most important things
[02:32] <highvoltage> i think there's lots of plans, it just needs to be implemented
[02:32] <ogra> cbx33, we're getting there :)
[02:32] <ogra> i'll urgently need more developer help in the future to realize all our ideas
[02:33] <JaneW> I think the cook book may be a good test of commitment and being able to see something through
[02:33] <jsgotangco> yes thats what i was about to say
[02:33] <ogra> (read packager help)
[02:33] <JaneW> yes and we need more dev help
[02:33] <JaneW> it's been much harder to attract that here because it's niche and the users are not generally devs
[02:33] <ogra> yep
[02:34] <cbx33> as ogra know my initial reason for joing ubuntu was to earn packaging
[02:34] <cbx33> learn
[02:34] <highvoltage> or the people who want to do dev work are stretched to far as it is :p
[02:34] <JaneW> ogra: can EC work with 4, or do we need to look for a 5th?
[02:34] <cbx33> so i could become motu
[02:34] <ogra> i see it improving but there is still room for MORE (to quote my boos on the phone ;) )
[02:34] <cbx33> your boos ????
[02:34] <cbx33> :p
[02:34] <JaneW> ogra: ditto :P
[02:34] <ogra> *boss
[02:34] <highvoltage> "boos" in afrikaans = "evil"
[02:34] <ogra> JaneW, yep, saw that *giggle*
[02:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: hehe same thing
[02:34] <cbx33> but i've slowly fallen back into doccing/web/wiki
[02:35] <jsgotangco> cbx33: then excel on that don't rush it
[02:35] <ogra> JaneW, EC can work with 4, will be harder to get consensus though 
[02:35] <JaneW> also I have mailed the edubuntu install video guy, asking for permission to post it on our site, I'll let you know if/when he responds
[02:35] <cbx33> nice
[02:36] <JaneW> I think it helps to have that
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, also i hope canonical wont leave me alone with that ... i expect to at least have a manager aside
[02:36] <ogra> who can take the 5th part
[02:36] <JaneW> as it can be seen how easy and non-threatening an install is
[02:36] <cbx33> hehe
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: right
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: ndz?
[02:36] <highvoltage> geez, yeah this will just put more pressure on ogra :(
[02:36] <JaneW> mdz I mean
[02:36] <JaneW> sorry! :/
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, mdz taking your part ??
[02:37] <cbx33> we'll just have to help out more than ever right ogra ?
[02:37] <JaneW> yes
[02:37] <ogra> i dont think so
[02:37] <jsgotangco> he wouldnt even think of it
[02:37] <ogra> cbx33, lets see what happens, JaneW is still here :D
[02:37] <cbx33> of course :p
[02:37] <mhz> JaneW: leaving???
[02:37] <jsgotangco> naw let's push her out sooner
[02:38] <cbx33> nooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you are a meanie
[02:38] <ogra> heh
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: edubuntu all done for next week?
[02:39] <jsgotangco> its pretty good
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: make the homie the default install ;)
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW, apart from fighting the oversizedness
[02:39] <ogra> haha
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: gah, still?
[02:39] <highvoltage> ogra: he is right though
[02:39] <ogra> sdilbs would kill me
[02:40] <ogra> highvoltage, i have none left ... after release ;)
[02:40] <JaneW> highvoltage: I may just have to make one for next week...
[02:40] <cbx33> w00t
[02:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW: don't worry, i will make sure dope wars and porn view get into the default for eft
[02:40] <ogra> JaneW, well, pitti added 20 languages to powerpc yesterday ... that was a bit uhmm... much :)
[02:40] <JaneW> yikes
[02:40] <jsgotangco> JaneW: not to mention make sure the nude wallpapers from warty make a comeback
[02:40] <JaneW> tell pitti to rest
[02:40] <ogra> even i'd appreciate to have xhosa on the CD :)
[02:40] <JaneW> jsgotangco: have you been drinking?
[02:41] <cbx33> I don;t think lisa would be happy about making a nude homies wallpaper :p
[02:41] <JaneW> (again)
[02:41] <JaneW> ogra: indeed
[02:41] <ogra> but i dont think thats what our major audience speaks
[02:41] <jsgotangco> JaneW: oh well *sigh*
[02:42] <ogra> cbx33, compromise ... bathing dresses ;)
[02:42] <cbx33> :
[02:42] <cbx33> :0
[02:42] <cbx33> ok....anything left on the agenda?
[02:43] <ogra> agenda ? 
[02:43] <cbx33> ESA has been frozen
[02:43] <cbx33> the informal agenda :p
[02:43] <jsgotangco> really?
[02:43] <ogra> hey, its informal :)
[02:43] <cbx33> jsgotangco: yup
[02:43] <jsgotangco> did you lace it with strawberries and nuts
[02:43] <cbx33> not yet
[02:43] <cbx33> I'm leaving that for when i port it to scribus
[02:44] <JaneW> cbx33: I think the ESA is going to be very valuable
[02:44] <cbx33> currently working it up to go on the website
[02:44] <ogra> it already is :)
[02:44] <cbx33> oh yeh that's what I meant to say... highvoltage there' a problem uploading images to the website
[02:44] <JaneW> indeed
[02:44] <JaneW> oh wait
[02:44] <mhz> cbx33: ESa ready for translation?
[02:44] <JaneW> who is going to be official meeting **Reminder** person?
[02:44] <JaneW> it's a crucial job :P
[02:44] <cbx33> but , we have to decide what's going to happen with the translated versions
[02:44] <ogra> JaneW, me for now
[02:45] <cbx33> :D
[02:45] <ogra> i'm around anyway all the time :)
[02:45] <cbx33> we spoke aobut putting ESA into rosetta
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: ok, but do delegate whenever you can
[02:45] <ogra> will do
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: the more responsibility you give the more time you will have, and the more help we'll have!
[02:46] <ogra> JaneW, yep, but thats really a trivial job and i have to be around in the meetings :)
[02:46] <JaneW> ogra: sure
[02:46] <jsgotangco> mhz: try it in spanish
[02:46] <JaneW> also don;t forget reminding the fridge folk about calendar changes
[02:46] <ogra> mhz, <cbx33> we spoke aobut putting ESA into rosetta
[02:46] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe
[02:46] <JaneW> for instance I forgot to ask them to remove this one
[02:46] <ogra> you had at least one answer
[02:46] <ogra> :)
[02:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you ok? You seem annoyed
[02:47] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:47] <mhz> ogra: thx.. that was quick... for a moment I thought I was having more ISP probs.
[02:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW: a cluebat would be nice
[02:47] <JaneW> I'll be watching edubuntu climbing the distrowatch charts
[02:47] <ogra> mhz, and yes JaneW is leaving (to answer the other one)
[02:47] <cbx33> you bet
[02:48] <mhz> ogra: sniff :/
[02:48] <ogra> yep
[02:48] <ogra> :(((((
[02:48] <JaneW> it's doing great already and 6.06 hasn't even released
[02:48] <cbx33> i know
[02:48] <cbx33> we're making an impact
[02:49] <JaneW> this time next year edubuntu in all schools!
[02:49] <cbx33> it's here already :p
[02:49] <mhz> JaneW: not fair... we need at least one woman... a diff prespective is essential among geeks :)  And  we only have an edubuntu girl
[02:49] <cbx33> youthlug love it
[02:50] <jsgotangco> mhz: don't worry, i can create a new feminine nick for my use
[02:50] <dave-YL> second that
[02:50] <mhz> JaneW: and EC with a woman participation looked very very cool
[02:50] <ogra> we're at place 64 on distrowatch for the 6 months view btw
[02:50] <cbx33> that's all gonna change
[02:50] <JaneW> mhz: even if that woman is quite a geek as well?
[02:50] <cbx33> heheh
[02:50] <mhz> jsgotangco: but ... it wont be the same... you are not sexy :)
[02:51] <mhz> JaneW: sure! it is still a diff perspective... a very needed one.
[02:51] <pips1> LOL
[02:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: LOL
[02:51] <pips1> jsgotangco, what's the matter with you today?
[02:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, but he's right ...
[02:51] <ogra> jsgotangco, (compared to JaneW )
[02:51] <mhz> jsgotangco: and do you at least make good cakes? uh?
[02:51] <jsgotangco> :/
[02:52] <JaneW> and drinking BOFs
[02:52] <ogra> yeah
[02:52] <ogra> with amarula !
[02:52] <JaneW> yes!
[02:52] <mhz> JaneW: well, I hope it is for your best
[02:52] <JaneW> everyone has to drink amarula for me
[02:52] <cbx33> :p
[02:52] <JaneW> or gold tequila if they prefer
[02:52] <cbx33> diet coke
[02:53] <cbx33> that's more dangerous to me :p
[02:53] <pips1> JaneW, your announcement does come quite as a surprise... can't help to wonder... 
[02:53] <cbx33> heheh
[02:53] <mhz> JaneW: and do you 'need' to leave? (just wondering)
[02:54] <JaneW> mhz: mojito!
[02:54] <mhz> jsgotangco: yeah, blood and brain do need some rest
[02:54] <mhz> ;)
[02:54] <jsgotangco> mhz: its 9pm i just arrived home, logged it not even eating dinner now i have lost apetite
[02:55] <jsgotangco> s/apetite/appetite
[02:55] <cbx33> :(
[02:55] <JaneW> pips1: nothing sinister, but the long and odd hours are very difficult to juggle with a family, plus frequent intl travel
[02:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: how about a warm nice tea?
[02:56] <mhz> JaneW: what if it were mre family friendly?
[02:56] <mhz> mre = more
[02:57] <ogra> mhz, but that company *isnt* family frinedly
[02:57] <ogra> you have to travel a lot
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i'd say
[02:57] <ogra> stay up for mandantory meetings at 4am etc
[02:57] <JaneW> mhz: yes
[02:58] <JaneW> the distro team is basically 24/7
[02:58] <JaneW> and that's hard to keep up with, I don;t know how ogra does it
[02:58] <ogra> i have on RL
[02:58] <ogra> s/on/no/
[02:58] <mhz> ogra: JaneW: and then, are you sure there is no way to work it out? no assistants? is leaving the only option?
[02:59] <ogra> which needs to change soon since i have to move and to cope with some big changes here
[02:59] <mhz> cope is germany?
[02:59] <cbx33> ogra: big changes ?
[02:59] <ogra> cbx33, already ongoing 
[02:59] <cbx33> I know the feeling
[02:59] <ogra> my GFs mother dies some time ago and we inherited a big house and a handicapped brother 
[03:00] <ogra> s/dies/died
[03:00] <JaneW> anyway I have loved working here, even through the low times, because the high times have been phenomenal
[03:00] <pips1> ogra, wow, big changes indeed
[03:00] <cbx33> ogra: our thoughts are with you
[03:00] <JaneW> and during the trips it becomes my life 24/7 and it;s amazing, but at home I have very real responsibilities and they tend to get neglected atm
[03:00] <ogra> JaneW, and we all have loved working with you ... if you plan to come back in oct, i'll fight for you ;)
[03:01] <spacey> damn forgot the meeting
[03:01] <JaneW> ogra: yes I hope you and GF and mother are coping ok...?
[03:01] <_michel> help: howto make an icon for floppy on the desktop
[03:01] <JaneW> ogra: thanks :) You made my job 'easy'
[03:01] <ogra> JaneW, mother isnt anymore :)
[03:01] <_michel> which mount floppy automatically
[03:01] <spacey> someone saying goodbye?
[03:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think you should show JaneW that drawing
[03:01] <ogra> _michel, #ubuntu ... here is a meeting going on
[03:01] <ogra> spacey, JaneW 
[03:01] <pips1> _michel, there is an inofficial meeting going on, you might get more replies a bit later
[03:01] <spacey> oh
[03:02] <spacey> where to and why?
[03:02] <JaneW> ogra: omg I am sorry that was an awful typo, was meant to be BROTHER
[03:02] <ogra> heh
[03:02] <mhz> ogra: and I am sure, we ALL will suppor that fighting!
[03:02] <cbx33> highvoltage: yeh?
[03:02] <JaneW> ogra: sorry that was very insensitive (unintentionally)
[03:02] <ogra> we'll cope with it ...
[03:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: yeah, i think now would be good :)
[03:03] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/jane.jpg - hop you like it JaneW 
[03:03] <ogra> (rather my GF will cope with it, i only have to take all the housekeeping parts)
[03:03] <ogra> mhz, yeah 
[03:03] <jsgotangco> tomb raider look???
[03:03] <cbx33> :p
[03:04] <cbx33> highvoltage said you were an all round action adventurer :p
[03:04] <ogra> cbx33, wow, that matches pretty close 
[03:04] <jsgotangco> she almst got into fear factor
[03:04] <JaneW> LMAo - I WISH!
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: it was part of a surprise wallpaper cbx33 was cooking up, with the edubuntu team in it ;)
[03:04] <JaneW> jsgotangco: and I didn;t get into survivor it seems :(
[03:04] <ogra> haha
[03:05] <cbx33> you say I, you really mean lisa :p
[03:06] <highvoltage> s/cbx33/lisa :)
[03:06] <cbx33> heheh
[03:06] <JaneW> but that doesn;t happen sitting behind a desk for 10+ hours day
[03:06] <cbx33> later highvoltage :p
[03:06] <mhz> ogra: hehe, well, I can tell you that I have been taking all the housekeeping part for last 4 years... not fun at all (never got used to it) but it is not the end of the world (as we know it :D )
[03:06] <jsgotangco> i do that a lot
[03:06] <mhz> ogra: we can cheer you when needed :)
[03:07] <highvoltage> well, apparently people at vodacom eat a lot
[03:07] <highvoltage> they all get fat there
[03:07] <jsgotangco> yay
[03:07] <ogra> mhz, the hard part is that i dont get *any* sleep anymore, the nurse service for my "brother in law" is comoing at 7am
[03:08] <ogra> i wouldnt mid to do all housekeeping ...
[03:08] <cbx33> ogra: you never used to sleep did you?
[03:08] <highvoltage> my one friend was always skinny. we used to make fun of him because of that. he started working at vodacom 3 months ago and is already getting fat.
[03:08] <ogra> *mind
[03:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: what?
[03:08] <ogra> cbx33, my rhythm is to sleep from 4am to 10-11am ... cant do that anymore, thats quite hindering
[03:08] <JaneW> highvoltage: no!
[03:09] <cbx33> yikes
[03:09] <pips1> highvoltage, hehe
[03:09] <cbx33> i sleep from about 12midnight to 5:30 am
[03:09] <JaneW> cbx33: wow
[03:10] <ogra> and my GF falls asleep at 9pm now ... so we dont meet much anymore even we are in the same house/bed
[03:10] <jsgotangco> i sleep from 1 to 6
[03:10] <pips1> cbx33, insane
[03:10] <mhz> ogra: ooops, then, WE need to figure out a way to help you more and work together more closely... (/me still has no idea how... he has not the IT knowledge required but he'll try to bring more help from chilean friend... it is just they are so afraid of english speaking :( )
[03:10] <pips1> jsgotangco, same
[03:10] <JaneW> I sleep from 11-12 till 7.
[03:10] <alfredn> install trouble is this a good place to ask a question
[03:10] <jsgotangco> pips1: then have a day job from 8 to 6 then some home job from 9 to 11
[03:10] <pips1> jsgotangco, wooooaah
[03:10] <ogra> alfredn, edubuntu install (here is a meeting going on, you'll have to wait a bit)
[03:11] <ogra> ?
[03:11] <cbx33> cbx33: it's ok, I can take it, i just crash and burn every few months
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: I think we are done...
[03:11] <jsgotangco> then the home job extends further in the weekend depending on what i can think (and write)
[03:11] <pips1> jsgotangco, ok, now I understand your mood today ;-)
[03:11] <JaneW> anything else?
[03:11] <ogra> JaneW, will you stay around in the channel ? 
[03:11] <cbx33> not that I can think of.....big thank you to everyone who helped with ESA
[03:11] <JaneW> yes
[03:11] <mhz> alfredn: yes.. sure. Is it about edubuntu?
[03:11] <ogra> :D
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: but I need to sort out Paris delegates and SoC stuff etc
[03:12] <ogra> JaneW, i maent after that ;)
[03:12] <cbx33> <!-----------------------notes end here------------------------------>
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra:oic
[03:12] <mhz> JaneW: I'd be happy to be in Paris :D
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: yes I hope so
[03:12] <JaneW> mhz: me too
[03:12] <ogra> great :)
[03:12] <pips1> JaneW, what's officially going to be the last day?
[03:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, good idea !
[03:13] <JaneW> ogra: I am certainly going to try to visit often
[03:13] <ogra> :))
[03:13] <JaneW> pips1: still being discussed with mngmt
[03:13] <alfredn> Thanks: Yes, new install freezes on booting off the cdrom, the cd checks fine in cd check, the thing is I have a scsi card adaptec 2940 and a scsi drive for the system.  I tried on an another machine with the same problem
[03:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: im pretty upset (very) but i understand
[03:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, about what are you upset (i didnt get it=
[03:14] <ogra> )
[03:14] <mhz> jsgotangco: anything we can do to ease the 'upset part' in you?
[03:14] <mhz> alfredn: hmm, let me understand... your CD drive is scsi?
[03:14] <ogra> oh, job stuff
[03:15] <ogra> alfredn, live or install CD ?
[03:15] <alfredn> mhz: sorry, no the cdrom is ide the harddrive for the system is scsi
[03:15] <mhz> ooh
[03:15] <alfredn> mhz:no it is not a live cd I think it is called casper?
[03:15] <ogra> casper is the core part of the liveCD
[03:15] <ogra> how much ram does that machine have ? 
[03:16] <alfredn> ogra:Hello, the machine has 500 plus, it is running dapper now but I want to 
[03:16] <alfredn> switch from ide to scsi and a clean install was my hopes
[03:16] <alfredn> bty:
[03:16] <ogra> if you see casper, you have a liveCD 
[03:16] <alfredn> I downloaded the cd yesterday from the first link on the edu site
[03:16] <mhz> alfredn: sorry, I have not yet tested liveCD (
[03:17] <ogra> oh, thats even outdated 
[03:17] <ogra> try one of these http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[03:17] <alfredn> this is the link I used. http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/edubuntu-6.06-beta2-live-i386.iso
[03:17] <alfredn> is there any chance it will work or should I get the other?
[03:18] <ogra> get the other 
[03:18] <ogra> (indeed there is a chance it works ok, but its ~1 month outdated)
[03:18] <mhz> cbx33: well, I wouldn;t mind meeting a geek girl like that :D (but a woman's version) http://www.progbox.co.uk/jane.jpg 
[03:19] <ogra> mhz, you never met JaneW eh ? its *very* similar
[03:19] <alfredn> Alright I will go download the other be back in a bit, BTY is there any probs with scsi and install
[03:19] <alfredn> can I pass any boot parameters
[03:19] <JaneW> ogra: not true, she is not clutching a bottle of amarula
[03:19] <ogra> true :)
[03:20] <JaneW> or whielding a whip
[03:20] <cbx33> she plays LAN games of CS when everynow and then
[03:20] <mhz> ogra: I have seen pictures and NOPE, I was not comparing at all. It would be nice to meet "more girls" like that in a woman's version (I prefer women over girls) :D
[03:20] <cbx33> and is an ace web designer
[03:20] <ogra> alfredn, it should *just work*
[03:20] <alfredn> ogra:alright I will download the other, 
[03:20] <jsgotangco> or wearing a nurse costume
[03:20] <ogra> JaneW, i was expecting the whip to be on the belt behind her back ;)
[03:20] <jsgotangco> or fishnet stockings
[03:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol!!! you are back!!
[03:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, hehe
[03:21] <jsgotangco> mhz: my laptop has wireless i can smoke outside
[03:21] <mhz> cool
[03:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I will think of you when I wear my nurse outfit
[03:22] <mhz> and JaneW, if you look like that in person...then DONT LEAVE!!
[03:22] <mhz> :D
[03:22] <jsgotangco> do i look sick???
[03:22] <pips1> jsgotangco, overworked?
[03:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: nope, you dont look, you ARE :)
[03:22] <pips1> hehe
[03:22] <jsgotangco> or someone you can abuse with your medical equipment?
[03:23] <pips1> I hope we never get any school children wandering into this channel...
[03:23] <jsgotangco> pips1: yep, people don't believe it since i work in the games industry, but debugging games all day can be boring
[03:23] <ogra> mhz, she does ... (she even looks better than the drawing ;) )
[03:24] <pips1> jsgotangco, i see
[03:24] <mhz> ogra: then we gotta clone her
[03:24] <ogra> yeah
[03:25] <mhz> ogra: you know how hard it is to get rally sexy geek girls
[03:25] <mhz> really
[03:25] <pips1> jsgotangco, online games?
[03:25] <mhz> and who makes good cakes!
[03:25] <jsgotangco> pips1: online, console, mobile
[03:25] <ogra> yep
[03:25] <mhz> .oO(we'll lose too much)
[03:26] <JaneW> ogra: *blush* thanks - flattery will get you everywhere!
[03:26] <jsgotangco> pips1: im currently doing online
[03:26] <pips1> jsgotangco, I'm just reading this article about closed vs. open source development...
[03:26] <ogra> JaneW, :)
[03:26] <jsgotangco> pips1: we're very much closed at the moment :/
[03:27] <jsgotangco> pips1: but most ofthe backend stuff runs on linux
[03:27] <mhz> cbx33: so, if i translate from wiki version into spanish wiki syntax... is it still ok with you?
[03:27] <mhz> (plnas)
[03:27] <mhz> plans
[03:27] <pips1> http://www.armchairarcade.com/aamain/content.php?article.78
[03:28] <cbx33> mhz: hold fire for a while
[03:28] <pips1> but I suppose you know the story pretty much
[03:28] <cbx33> I'm still finding out what people want to do with it
[03:28] <mhz> cbx33: hmmm, I would say that it works for dapper
[03:29] <cbx33> yeh it does
[03:29] <cbx33> but we need ot decide what are you going to do with the translated versions
[03:29] <cbx33> as great as it will be....what use will it serve?
[03:29] <cbx33> don;t get me wrong
[03:29] <cbx33> I want you to translate them
[03:29] <jsgotangco> pips1: the model isn't applicable to consoles due to IP reasons (as well as hw manufacturers taking profit from devkits)
[03:30] <cbx33> but something someone said to me makes me think...I want to have place for it before you put all that hard work into it
[03:30] <jsgotangco> the DS devkit that we bought before was really expensive
[03:30] <pips1> console = closed by definition almost
[03:30] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:30] <jsgotangco> online has better chances
[03:30] <pips1> yes
[03:30] <jsgotangco> mobile not so much either due to carriers wanting a slice always
[03:31] <pips1> hmm, interesting, i didn't know that
[03:31] <jsgotangco> the greediest in the mobile content space are record companies
[03:32] <pips1> ring tones, eh
[03:32] <jsgotangco> real tones even
[03:33] <pips1> well, nowadays, music as ring tones...
[03:33] <jsgotangco> even if there would be revolution on commons content on the mobile space, the carrier will still earn from the transaction
[03:34] <pips1> or do you mean "natural" recordings, e.g. a dog barking or smth?
[03:34] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:34] <jsgotangco> let's say a recording artist
[03:34] <pips1> right
[03:34] <jsgotangco> some content providers instead, use cover tones
[03:34] <jsgotangco> (not the original artist but the same song)
[03:35] <jsgotangco> so they only pay royalty to the song publisher
[03:35] <jsgotangco> it is a very interesting industry that is in dire need of open content :)
[03:36] <pips1> yeah... let's not talk about this too much, i'll have to leave this "open source dreamworld" otherwise ;-)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> it would be interesting in the next 5 years when VoIP invades mobile (it is starting)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hence my obsession with asterisk lately
[03:40] <mhz> cbx33: oh, sorry. I am on the phone
[03:40] <cbx33> p
[03:40] <cbx33> np
[03:41] <cbx33> did you read what i wrote?
[03:43] <cbx33> wish i was a studnet again.....with ooodles of time to work on edubuntu
[03:43] <ogra> you could even have applied for SoC :)
[03:44] <cbx33> i know
[03:44] <cbx33> it's so unfair
[03:44] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: hello
[03:44] <cbx33> heheh
[03:52] <mhz> cbx33: re
[03:52] <mhz> yeah, I read it
[03:52] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: hi sorry i was out for a while
[03:52] <mhz> cbx33: mainly, 2 things:
[03:52] <cbx33> make sense
[03:52] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: no problem, I'll probably be popping in and out
[03:53] <jsgotangco> cool if you need to ask, just ask away or email
[03:54] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I'm very excited today.  I got my acceptance email this morning.
[03:54] <mhz> cbx33: 1) Moin is my very good friend, it is a bit "scary" I use Moin for about 90% of my work (agenda, calendar, todo, biz quotes, planning, meeting records, etc) so, translate it via moin it is way faster for me than doing it via rosetta, plus I can take it with me as it is plain text in the end
[03:54] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: I was just wondering what steps I need to go through to get started.  Any orientation of sorts?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> mhz: freak of nature
[03:55] <cbx33> mhz: i know what you mean
[03:55] <mhz> jsgotangco: hehehe, yeah.
[03:56] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: not so much at the moment, let's wait for the formal announcement for Ubuntu, but if you want to do some advance work and share, feel free we can look on it
[03:57] <mhz> jsgotangco: if only I could use Moin to impact emails into it... that would be fantastic: "According to OurLastMeetingAgenda and considering [blablabla this email]  we would like to propose... "
[03:57] <mhz> MoinMailClient/Server
[03:58] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: any idea when the formal announcement will come?
[03:58] <mhz> To: MarkShuttleworth   |   Subject: MeetingRecord20060524
[03:59] <cbx33> hehehe
[03:59] <ogra> ryan_rousseau, likely this week
[03:59] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: JaneW is sorting it as we speak, probably this week
[03:59] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, ogra: thanks!
[04:01] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation check
[04:02] <mhz> ogra: 2 more tests yesterday: 1 default install (diff hardware)   1 upgrade from BETA version to daily
[04:02] <mhz> ogra: only issues I got were Gcompris
[04:03] <mhz> cbx33: 2) ESA would be great notice text for media coverage here in Chile 
[04:03] <mhz> and good "translation work" to start motivating more spanish speakers to do smething for edubuntu
[04:03] <ogra> mhz, gcompris ?
[04:04] <mhz> ogra: yeah, it closes down, no warning
[04:04] <ogra> can you file a bug, its the second time i hear that
[04:04] <mhz> and unfortunatelly, I wont get back to that lab until tomorrow
[04:05] <ogra> sad, thats to late
[04:05] <mhz> so I didnt get the output
[04:05] <mhz> ogra: yeah, sorry
[04:05] <ogra> also please note what you tested on the wikipage
[04:05] <mhz> I got that problem around 22 PM and they were kicking me out of the lab :)
[04:06] <mhz> ogra: what you mean?  "you tested on the wikipage"
[04:06] <mhz> (that's why I'd love to test and have a home-lab)
[04:06] <ogra> please note your findings on the wiki, our QA manager needs that
[04:07] <mhz> oooh, yeah! sure
[04:07] <jsgotangco> amd64 auto partition check
[04:07] <mhz> I have been taking notes on paper so I wiki them
[04:07] <ogra> only what you tested... no notes required
[04:07] <ogra> add it to the table
[04:08] <mhz> jsgotangco: my 'trying-to-use-Moin-in-Jornada728' failed :(
[04:08] <mhz> so I use paper :(
[04:08] <jsgotangco> mhz: please have pity on such poor hardware
[04:08] <mhz> ogra: okis, i see the diff
[04:09] <mhz> jsgotangco: my only hope is Zaurus SL-5500.. but.. battery lasts 2 hours and I have no other battery available to even buy one
[04:09] <jsgotangco> i have apache/php/mysql running on my zaurus before
[04:09] <mhz> yeah, me too
[04:10] <mhz> it rocked
[04:10] <jsgotangco> so you can actually run mediawiki on it
[04:10] <mhz> hehehe
[04:10] <mhz> moin is my choice
[04:10] <jsgotangco> mhz: its ok to flirst sometimes
[04:10] <jsgotangco> flirt
[04:10] <mhz> .o(though mediawiki sounds interesting...but still power issue)
[04:11] <mhz> and Opie is always freezing my Zaurus
[04:11] <mhz> now I remember why bought the jornada ... I could use Debian there
[04:12] <mhz> but then I need 1 GB CF :D
[04:12] <mhz> more expensive than getting a Zaurus battery :D
[04:12] <jsgotangco> i can't remember who is compiling ubuntu for arm here...
[04:12] <mhz> heheh
[04:12] <mhz> I asked around, and found a wiki page too
[04:14] <mhz> cbx33: well, those are moy 2 points
[04:14] <mhz> my
[04:17] <JaneW> I will send out SoC announcements tomorrow I have realised that I'll have to catch up on all the admin ML posts before I can risk sending anything out
[04:17] <JaneW> students are welcome to start communicating with their mentors
[04:20] <JaneW> I will send out SoC announcements tomorrow I have realised that I'll have to catch up on all the admin ML posts before I can risk sending anything out
[04:20] <JaneW> students are welcome to start communicating with their mentors
[04:24] <cbx33> I hate teh way I can't work from the car
[04:25] <jsgotangco> expensive tsk
[04:28] <cbx33> yeh i know
[04:28] <mhz> cbx33: you can at least work.. some people dont even have/get a chance to produce (dont have means or ideas how) work 
[04:28] <cbx33> but so much of what I can do I can't do when i have the time
[04:29] <mhz> cbx33: yeah, been there
[04:29] <mhz> cbx33: those are good times to think about stuff and or meditate :)
[04:38] <cbx33> right you guys I'm shatterd I'm off home
[04:38] <cbx33> phew
[04:38] <jsgotangco> heh im just starting my night
[04:38] <jsgotangco> (its 10:30pm)
[04:41] <cbx33> heh, 3:41 here
[04:41] <cbx33> home time
[04:45] <jsgotangco> oh boy i wish that was my home time
[04:45] <jsgotangco> (home time for me is 6pm)
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: i was wondering did our paid artist also has gdm artwork in his scope of work?
[04:53] <ogra> nope
[04:53] <jsgotangco> doh
[04:53] <ogra> only one wallpaper and one splash
[04:54] <jsgotangco> doh x2
[04:54] <ogra> (even though a usplash was planned)
[04:54] <ogra> but we took a community one ;)
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ogra: gee honestly that wallpaper can be easily done by community imo
[04:54] <jsgotangco> (or much even better)
[04:54] <ogra> which intrestingly was later voted as the best by the artteam
[04:54] <jsgotangco> the splash was good though
[04:55] <ogra> silbs didnt trust us, mark and silbs both thought edubuntugirl was a bad ide 
[04:55] <ogra> a
[04:55] <ogra> so we should get something "professional" this time
[04:57] <pips1_> ogra, I think it's a good non-intrusive default wallpaper, slightly cold though, I agree
[04:58] <pips1_> and we got the gang, of course, which is very cool :)
[04:58] <ogra> someone called it the "berlin wall" which is a very good name imho :P
[04:58] <pips1_> LOL
[04:58] <ogra> :)
[04:58] <pips1_> no, the berlin wall was even more colorful ;-)
[04:59] <pips1_> (on the western, side, anyway)
[04:59] <pygi> we lost some nice applications :(
[04:59] <pips1_> pygi, which ones?
[04:59] <ogra> lost ? 
[04:59] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:00] <ogra> how ?
[05:00] <ogra> search them if you lost them !
[05:00] <pygi> ogra, duplication of students (were accepted by several orgs)
[05:00] <ogra> but thats not *lost*
[05:00] <ogra> they do still the same but for another org
[05:00] <pygi> no, it doesnt have to mean they do the same
[05:00] <pygi> they mostly do other work, not this one
[05:03] <ogra> YAY
[05:04] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/current/ has fixed isos finally
[05:04] <pygi> nice ...
[05:04] <pygi> and ogra, sorry for bothering the other day...I know you were busy :)
[05:05] <ogra> pygi, i'm still busy :) sorry for being harsh
[05:05] <pygi> busy until forever :-P
[05:05] <pygi> no problem at all, no worries :)
[05:05] <ogra> nah only until next week 
[05:05] <pips1_> ogra, any testing that is particularly important at this moment?
[05:06] <ogra> as everyone in the distro team
[05:06] <pips1_> (besides testing everything)
[05:06] <ogra> nobody gets enough sleep currently etc
[05:06] <pygi> ogra, not enough sleep is always good :)
[05:06] <ogra> pips1_, everything is fine :)
[05:06] <pips1_> hehe
[05:06] <ogra> just fill that wikipage to make sfllaw happy ;)
[05:07] <ogra> so it seems we have room for more languages on the liveCD, any suggestions anybody ?
[05:08] <pygi> ogra, Croatian? :)
[05:09] <pips1_> duh, wiki: The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only.
[05:11] <pips1_> ah, now it works
[05:11] <pygi> jsgotangco, forgot to officialy congrats you...so congrats :)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> you too :)
[05:14] <pygi> thanks :)
[05:14] <pygi> ogra, any chance on croatian on livecd if we have space then? :)
[05:14] <pygi> jsgotangco, let's make it rock :)
[05:18] <alfredn> ogra: you where right about using the new cdrom, why does the edu site default to the live one
[05:19] <alfredn> thanks
[05:36] <ogra> alfredn, that page is a bit premature ;) it will point to the released iso on release day
[05:36] <ogra> pygi, http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt croatian (hr if i'm right) is *really huge*
[05:37] <pygi> ogra, ah,oki, thanks for checking it anyway :)
[05:49] <ogra> so lets see if amd64 survives the addition of german and french now ...
[05:54] <pygi> ogra, good luck :P
[05:56] <jsgotangco> nooooooooooooooooo
[05:57] <ogra> jsgotangco, ?
[05:57] <ogra> dont worry, i can revert :)
[05:57] <jsgotangco> heh i will just rsync later and see
[05:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, *if* it survives and we still have space left, any suggestions for one or two asian languages i should add ?
[05:59] <jsgotangco> i'd probably go to hangeul (korean) which is close to my heart
[05:59] <jsgotangco> but the chinese might get pissed
[05:59] <ogra> we currently have en, fr, es, de on the liveCD 
[05:59] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:59] <jsgotangco> i will ask how good is the support for -ko
[05:59] <ogra> chinese means at least 3 extra languages i think
[05:59] <jsgotangco> that's correct
[06:00] <jsgotangco> i would really go for korean heh
[06:01] <ogra> i'll flip a coin i think
[06:02] <ogra> :)
[06:02] <jsgotangco> if you put chinese, you're facing 3 languages
[06:02] <jsgotangco> if you add japanese, you'll have to put some chinese fonts
[06:03] <jsgotangco> but if you put korean, you're adding a language of its own
[06:03] <ogra> we have all the asian fonts in anyway
[06:03] <ogra> so its only about language packs
[06:03] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:03] <jsgotangco> korea has a very active gnome community as well
[06:04] <ogra> i'm only intrested in the edubuntu community :P
[06:04] <pygi> ogra, which is currently not so big :-/
[06:05] <highvoltage> pygi: you'd be surprised ;)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> its changing here actually
[06:05] <jsgotangco> its just not widely spoken of
[06:05] <pygi> ah, we have just two schools here in Croatia on Linux
[06:05] <pygi> one of them implemented by me
[06:05] <ogra> pygi, i think we have more than 5000 pre orders on shipit already
[06:05] <pygi> and that is Edubuntu
[06:05] <pygi> ogra, we can order edubuntu?
[06:05] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:05] <jsgotangco> shipit.edubuntu.org
[06:05] <ogra> pygi, /topic
[06:06] <pygi> o joy, thanks :)
[06:06] <pygi> and btw. there will be a ubuntu conf. at Hungary in September probably, so I'll have a presentation about Edubuntu if you don't oppose :)
[06:06] <ogra> pygi, and i know that ivoks runs several ubuntu based school or uni setups
[06:06] <ogra> in croatia
[06:07] <ogra> pygi, great !
[06:07] <pygi> uni setups, indeed
[06:07] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll ask silbs
[06:08] <pygi> ah, just 5 CD's :-P
[06:09] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:09] <jsgotangco> its a very limited market
[06:09] <pygi> How am I supposed to bring some to that conf? :)
[06:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: schools?
[06:09] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: education?
[06:09] <ogra> pygi, there will be a possibility to order more (read the front page ;) )
[06:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: over here, yes, i know a local city that mandated its use on its public schools
[06:10] <jsgotangco> (even at the city mayor's office)
[06:11] <ogra> :)
[06:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, 
[06:12] <ogra> ogra: we always try to get CDs for the dev summit and it is always very very very close. It has always worked in the past, but we are also getting way more dapper requests than for other releases. So no promises, but we are trying to have some there
[06:13] <ogra> from silbs ^^
[06:13] <jsgotangco> ahh
[06:13] <jsgotangco> thanks
[06:13] <pygi> We have not yet opened the custom request section of ShipIt for version 6.06 LTS, but will do so shortly.
[06:13] <pygi> :)
[06:13] <ogra> yep
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i get CD requests from email...they thought i can send CDs
[06:16] <jsgotangco> (locally)
[06:17] <pygi> jsgotangco, nice :)
[06:18] <jsgotangco> I even got email from a guy who wanted to contribute a wallpaper/artwork, but when I told him about the license, he decided not to reply back 
[06:18] <pygi> hey Andrea
[06:18] <Bluekuja> hello pygi
[06:18] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:18] <Bluekuja> i solved that problem
[06:18] <pygi> how are you? :)
[06:18] <Bluekuja> I'm really good tnx, you?
[06:18] <pygi> nice, congrats :)
[06:19] <pygi> I am great indeed :-D
[06:19] <Bluekuja> hehe, not tired as alwais?
[06:19] <pygi> nah, not really :)
[06:19] <Bluekuja> np man, i know that you're busy
[06:20] <Bluekuja> mario, i need to finish some work on a package, you'll be here later?
[06:20] <pygi> no, probably not today :-/
[06:20] <pygi> but send me the package, and what you need
[06:21] <pygi> what needs checking?
[06:22] <Bluekuja> testing it
[06:23] <Bluekuja> i mean installing it check if its all ok and unstalling it 
[06:23] <pygi> ah, that should be no problem
[06:23] <pygi> send me to mail
[06:24] <Bluekuja> oki perfect
[06:24] <Bluekuja> have a nice day then
[06:24] <jsgotangco> good night guys
[06:24] <Bluekuja> :)
[06:24] <jsgotangco> its past midnight already
[06:24] <jsgotangco> :/
[06:24] <Bluekuja> ciao jerome
[06:24] <Bluekuja> goodnigt
[06:24] <pygi> night jsgotangco 
[06:35] <blue-frog> what's that thing you're talking about in Paris, a show? When is it held, pls?
[06:35] <Burgwork> blue-frog, it is the next Ubuntu development conference
[06:35] <Burgwork> end of June
[06:35] <blue-frog> oh so it's only ubuntu staff?
[06:35] <Burgwork> and kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu
[06:36] <blue-frog> i mean is it public?
[06:36] <blue-frog> for non ubuntu members, non canonicals?
[06:37] <ogra> yes
[06:37] <blue-frog> can i read that somewhere on ubuntu site?
[06:37] <ogra> but its mostly for writing specs and the like, no public stuff like talks or anything
[06:37] <blue-frog> hum ok
[06:38] <ogra> blue-frog, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[06:38] <blue-frog> ty
[06:40] <Burgwork> blue-frog, it is one week of sweaty geeks talking a lot and drinking a lot
[06:40] <blue-frog> understood
[06:44] <blue-frog> ogra later on you told me there was no icons for gimp and thunder hence the fact that defaults one were assigned but I found icons in the gartoons folder though (/usr/share/icons/gartoon/scalable/apps
[06:44] <ogra> blue-frog, yes, i see them, but there are no small ones
[06:44] <ogra> only the svg's
[06:45] <blue-frog> aren't the svg supposed to be done for that purpose, reduce the number of icons as they are scalable?
[06:45] <ogra> and you cant scale svg down to 16x16 or 24x24 it looks awful
[06:45] <blue-frog> ah ok
[06:45] <ogra> so you'd have to create manually the 16x16 and 24x24 variants with thicker lines etc
[06:46] <blue-frog> but then how come firefox is taken for example?
[06:46] <ogra> sad that you reported it today, since i cant do anything about it now 
[06:46] <blue-frog> am not sure i understand where those icons are taken then
[06:46] <ogra> ff will likely have a bitmap version for smaller sizes
[06:47] <ogra> (i havent looked and i'm to busy to get the RC isos done currently)
[06:47] <michel> how can we put an icon on the display for edubuntu
[06:48] <michel> we are in cameroon we want to use edubuntu but we have many difficulties
[06:49] <blue-frog> what do you mean by putting an icon on the display michel?
[06:51] <cbx33> ogra, man you got a sec
[06:51] <cbx33> just a quick query
[06:51] <ogra> but a very short one please
[06:51] <cbx33> with all this wiki movement business going on, 
[06:51] <cbx33> what's ahppening with LTSP
[06:51] <ogra> keep it
[06:51] <cbx33> you said we're moving that to Ubuntu
[06:51] <cbx33> so is it moving into edubuntu?
[06:51] <ogra> its far from being complete for d.u.c
[06:52] <cbx33> ok
[06:52] <cbx33> no problem
[06:52] <ogra> no, just keep it so we can complete it on the wiki
[06:52] <cbx33> shall i move out all the category documentation from all ltsp documentation?
[06:52] <ogra> no matter where its kept 
[06:52] <cbx33> I'll remove CategoryDocumentation from them all
[06:52] <cbx33> so they don;t get ported
[06:52] <cbx33> thanks
[06:52] <cbx33> I'll let you get back to it
[06:53] <ogra> probably add a new category for them loke DocInProgress
[06:53] <ogra> *like
[06:53] <ogra> Burgwork, might know or mdke ...
[06:53] <cbx33> ok
[06:53] <cbx33> ping Burgwork 
[06:56] <michel> blie-frog we need a short cut icon for the floppy disk drive on the desktop
[06:58] <ogra> just drag it out of the "computer" location ...
[06:59] <cbx33> do you need to hold ctrl to copy it ogra >
[06:59] <cbx33> ?
[06:59] <cbx33> bbl
[06:59] <cbx33> dinner
[07:00] <ogra> cbx33, not for the computer location ;)
[07:00] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: choose upload new edubuntu theme even though it's not 100% done yet or not
[07:01] <edubuntugirl> I choose upload new edubuntu theme even though it's not 100% done yet, highvoltage
[07:01] <ogra> heh
[07:01] <highvoltage> yay
[07:01] <blue-frog> michel did you manage to do it as per ogra'sindication?
[07:01] <ogra> hmm, sindication ... :)
[07:01] <ogra> measuring of your sins :)
[07:02] <blue-frog> :0)
[07:02] <blue-frog> well am gonna eat but can't leave without a last thing on icons :)
[07:03] <blue-frog> properties of a launcher, choose icon >> doesn't let me choose anything else than xpm or png, can't choose svg for example..
[07:04] <blue-frog> no am drunk again sry
[07:04] <Burgwork> cbx33, what do you need?
[07:04] <blue-frog> works perfectly
[07:05] <ogra> yep
[07:05] <ogra> Burgwork, we dont want to have our wiki docs moved, how can we prevent that
[07:05] <Burgwork> ogra, remove them from cat doc
[07:05] <ogra> (but we want to keep them categorized as docs in some way)
[07:05] <Burgwork> add a new cat CategoryEdubuntuDocumentation
[07:06] <ogra> cbx33, ^^^
[07:06] <ogra> Burgwork, sounds sane 
[07:06] <Burgwork> I would seriously recommend that you move your own docs off the wiki at some point as well
[07:06] <ogra> there is simply too much WIP still for most of them
[07:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: any chance that you can send me individual images of the gangstakids?
[07:07] <ogra> Burgwork, sure if they are finished, but we have a help category in the drupal setup where we wanted to have our docs on www.edubuntu.org some day
[07:08] <ogra> Burgwork, and ubuntu/edubuntu covering doc stuff like LTSP docs are still WIP and need a lot of work
[07:08] <ogra> (also i'm not happy at all about the decision to put docs in a closed environment like docs.ubuntu.com, makes collaboration pretty hard)
[07:10] <highvoltage> ogra: where does that decision come from?
[07:10] <ogra> highvoltage, docteam :(
[07:11] <highvoltage> ogra: i mean, did they decide on a docs.edubuntu.org too?
[07:11] <highvoltage> i'm not against the docs.edubuntu.org, if it means that it's not closed, as you say
[07:11] <ogra> nope, not to my knowledge
[07:11] <ogra> well, contributions can only happen through svn
[07:12] <ogra> which is not even a versioning system we use anywhere else in ubuntu
[07:12] <ogra> if i have a say on edubuntu docs we'll have them in bazaar
[07:13] <highvoltage> sounds good
[07:13] <highvoltage> then it can integrate with launchpad too
[07:13] <ogra> yep
[07:14] <ogra> i never understood the decision for svn... but then, i'm not in the doc team :)
[07:18] <highvoltage> i think doc people like svn
[07:18] <highvoltage> (not just ubuntu docteam, but doc people in general)
[07:19] <ogra> might be :)
[07:20] <highvoltage> this is depressing. the new theme does the same on the canonical server :/
[07:20] <highvoltage> seems to be a problem with the php version on breezy
[07:21] <highvoltage> i'm going to get znarl to give us another db, so that we can revert to the old site
[07:21] <highvoltage> then when the server is upgraded to dapper, we can use the new theme
[07:22] <Burgwork> ogra, the decision for svn was made a long time and it does make sense for us
[07:23] <Burgwork> we have a big build infrastructure that is shared amongst all the various projects and it would not make sense to split that up
[07:23] <ogra> Burgwork, i know when it was taken 
[07:24] <ogra> we have a big infrastructure based on bazaar as well for all other distro parts ;) 
[07:24] <Burgwork> yep, but doc toolchain is kind of unique
[07:24] <ogra> but indeed its our decision and if it makes sense for you *shrug*
[07:24] <Burgwork> we recognize that svn makes it hard to do certain thing
[07:24] <Burgwork> things, even
[07:25] <ogra> yes, like getting cotributions from developers :P
[07:25] <Burgwork> yep
[07:26] <ogra> (who are all used to bzr ;) )
[07:26] <Burgwork> but it does make it easy to build the docs into various forms
[07:26] <ogra> yep
[07:26] <Burgwork> the major issue we currently have with svn is that we don't directly control access to it
[07:26] <Burgwork> we need elmo to add somebody
[07:26] <ogra> i wonder how the supermirror will cope with that
[07:34] <cbx33> Burgwork, I hear ya on that one :p
[07:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, I can get individual images.....want them on a white background?
[07:35] <cbx33> ogra, I'll add a new category
[07:35] <cbx33> wow three messages to three different peole :p
[07:35] <ogra> multitaksing :)
[07:36] <highvoltage> cbx33: white would be ok. transparent would be better :)
[07:36] <cbx33> np
[07:36] <cbx33> I'll ask
[07:36] <cbx33> png?
[07:36] <highvoltage> png is cool
[07:39] <pips1> highvoltage, I can chat now, but only for about 30 mins (we have guests coming over)
[07:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you wanna have a chat in a while about the web/wiki plan?
[07:40] <highvoltage> pips1: ok, no rush though :)
[07:40] <cbx33> he's in demand tonight
[07:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: would be great, since:
[07:40] <pips1> :)
[07:40] <highvoltage> (a) pips1 is here
[07:40] <cbx33> yup
[07:40] <highvoltage> (b) i'm writing to edubuntu-devel list about it :)
[07:40] <cbx33> excellent
[07:40] <highvoltage> wiki is really #1 priority, since it's very messy
[07:40] <cbx33> let hte first wikiwed meeting commence :p
[07:41] <pips1> well, its a meeting then! :-)
[07:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: where's the 'cleanup' page again? have you gotten to the new mockup front-page?
[07:41] <cbx33> ok, let's start by what are we doing at the mo
[07:41] <cbx33> ok hang on
[07:41] <highvoltage> wikiwed... cool :)
[07:41] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiMock
[07:42] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[07:42] <cbx33> I'm also on this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLTSP
[07:42] <cbx33> currently moving ESA to drupal
[07:42] <cbx33> but highvoltage there is a problem uploading fiels
[07:42] <cbx33> don;t know if you saw that I said that earlier
[07:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: nope
[07:43] <pips1> cbx33, what is the problem with files? what do you want to do?
[07:43] <cbx33> i tried to add all the images for ESA
[07:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: but i'm logged in there now, can you go there so that we can fix it now?
[07:43] <cbx33> yeh sure
[07:43] <cbx33> I went to files attachments
[07:44] <cbx33> and got an error
[07:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: very nice mock-up frontpage
[07:44] <cbx33> ty, not 100% finished
[07:44] <cbx33> need to put link to my new minutes page
[07:44] <highvoltage> what still needs to be done? it looks really neat
[07:45] <cbx33> I wanted to add some more contacts possibly
[07:45] <cbx33> and add some development info
[07:46] <pips1> cbx33, where do you want to add files in drupal?
[07:46] <pips1> (I'm logged in now)
[07:46] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still need the development status on the edubuntu wiki frontpage? it seems depricated
[07:46] <cbx33> into the edubuntu in schools document
[07:46] <cbx33> highvoltage, that's what I think
[07:46] <ogra> highvoltage, drop it
[07:47] <highvoltage> cool
[07:48] <pips1> highvoltage, you upgraded to drupal 4.7.0 ?
[07:48] <cbx33> yes
[07:48] <pips1> ah
[07:48] <pips1> did you add any modules yet?
[07:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: what's your ubuntu e-mail address again?
[07:49] <cbx33> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[07:49] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, and it turns out it doesn't like breezy + any phptemplate themes :/
[07:50] <cbx33> highvoltage, think we shuld standardise page titles wrt capital letters
[07:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: what do you mean?
[07:50] <highvoltage> on the wiki?
[07:50] <cbx33> frequently asked questions
[07:50] <cbx33> 	Edubuntu community
[07:50] <cbx33> just me being fussy
[07:50] <ogra> make it wiki style
[07:51] <highvoltage> ah i see
[07:51] <blue-frog> Michel comment va la mise en place d'edubuntu?
[07:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, your right, there should be conformity
[07:51] <pips1> highvoltage, yeah, the changed the default template engine in 4.7 :-/
[07:51] <cbx33> indeed
[07:51] <cbx33> and the new template works....
[07:52] <cbx33> just not on canonical server
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: let's go with /WikiStylePageNames
[07:52] <pips1> cbx33, i see
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: and keep the title inside the pages Proper Case Titles
[07:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: that way we keep everyone happy :)
[07:52] <cbx33> ok sure
[07:53] <highvoltage> cbx33: it works fine on dapper though, as you pointed out :/
[07:53] <pips1> highvoltage, what's the problem re breezy and drupal?
[07:53] <pips1> versions of php/mysql?
[07:54] <cbx33> highvoltage, mine was on breezy
[07:54] <highvoltage> cbx33: you said it was on dapper?
[07:54] <cbx33> nope it was breezy
[07:54] <Burgwork> salut Amaranth 
[07:54] <cbx33> i said it work on 4.7.0
[07:55] <ere> I have a problem with LTSP and Ubuntu Dapper (regular ubuntu, not edubuntu). Sound works well with one thin client, but not with an old Compaq deskpro with a ESS1869 audio chip. The driver is not loaded when the client boots. lts.conf countains SOUND = Y, and sound works with the other client. How can I manually load the driver for ESS1869? (the sb module)
[07:55] <highvoltage> hmmm... what can possibly be different on the edubuntu server?
[07:55] <pips1> I would have thought that the versions of php/mysql on breezy should just work fine with 4.7.0
[07:56] <highvoltage> ere: you need a MODULE_01 = sb
[07:56] <highvoltage> in your lts.conf
[07:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm not sure, would be nice...oooh?
[07:56] <pips1> highvoltage, you tried to upgrade the drupal content, right? (rather than doing a complete new install from scratch)
[07:56] <cbx33> had an idea
[07:57] <highvoltage> pips1: i did it like they say you should in drupal docs. 1) basically do a new install, 2) point to database, 3) run /update.php
[07:57] <pips1> right
[07:57] <ere> highvoltage: I think I have tried that, how can I confirm that the module is really loaded?
[07:57] <highvoltage> which worked fine locally, and on another remote server running FC5, but not on the edubuntu server :/
[07:57] <pips1> hmm
[07:58] <cbx33> highvoltage, I belive error reporting must be turned off
[07:58] <cbx33> in php
[07:58] <highvoltage> ere: you can 'sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd' on the server, and set a root password
[07:58] <cbx33> what about turning it on for just drupal
[07:58] <highvoltage> ere: then you can press ctrl+alt+f1 on a thin client, log on as root, and use lsmod
[07:58] <cbx33> to see what the issue is?
[07:58] <cbx33> I mean 4.7 is preferable is it not?
[07:58] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm not following you...
[07:59] <ogra> ere, SOUND=Y works ? are you sure you are using ubuntus ltsp-server package ? 
[07:59] <cbx33> well, you can set php environment variables in a php script
[07:59] <ogra> (its not supposed to work with Y)
[07:59] <cbx33> my idea was to add a line o the drupal install to show us the error
[08:00] <ere> ogra: erhm, maybe it was something else, I don't remember exactly. I experiment with LTSP at work and not at home where I'm now. 
[08:00] <ere> ogra: but I use ltsp-server
[08:01] <ogra> ere, SOUN=True or SOUND=False are what we use in ubuntu ... a boolean variable should use boolean values ;)
[08:01] <ogra> *SOUND=True indeed
[08:01] <pips1> cbx33, yes, 4.7 is definitely preferable
[08:02] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33 so what are the problems with the drupal setup on the live server at the moment? a) theme broken b) file attachments don't work and what else?
[08:03] <cbx33> that's it as far as I can see
[08:03] <pips1> right
[08:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: can you try uploading a file again? i've changed permissions. that should be a minor issue.
[08:03] <highvoltage> the theme is a bit more important for me right now
[08:03] <cbx33> ok
[08:03] <cbx33> hang on
[08:04] <pips1> re a) highvoltage what did you do to fix the theme?
[08:04] <highvoltage> pips1: well, non of the phptemplate themes work on the live site, so right now we're using a very simple theme
[08:04] <cbx33> done :p
[08:05] <pips1> ah, got you
[08:05] <highvoltage> pips1: i initially thought it was just the spreadfirefox theme that had some strange stuff in it, but then i noticed the same problems with friendselectric
[08:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: done? the upload?
[08:05] <cbx33> yup
[08:05] <highvoltage> great
[08:06] <pips1> you have to install the template engine
[08:06] <pips1> ?
[08:06] <highvoltage> pips1: any suggestions / ideas?
[08:07] <pips1> hold on, I'm trying to remember what i did...
[08:07] <pips1> you installed the phptemplate engine on 4.6 to be able to use spreadff, is that correct?
[08:07] <cbx33> highvoltage, phptemplate is included by default I thought
[08:07] <pips1> cbx33, it wasn't the default in 4.6, AFAIK
[08:08] <cbx33> no but in 4.7 it should be
[08:08] <pips1> yes
[08:08] <cbx33> I thought I read...I'm not sure, but I think
[08:08] <pips1> yes, I think you are right
[08:10] <pips1> hmm, since I can look on the filesystem on the server, and since my own drupal install died with my harddisk (it was a crappy 5 years old hd), i'm walking a bit in the blind here
[08:10] <pips1> s/since I can/since I can't
[08:10] <highvoltage> sorry, lost my connection there
[08:10] <pips1> hmm, since I can't look on the filesystem on the server, and since my own drupal install died with my harddisk (it was a crappy 5 years old hd), i'm walking a bit in the blind here
[08:11] <cbx33> well my drupal install is but a power button away
[08:12] <highvoltage> well, it's not all that exciting :/ a standard drupal installation with a standard phptemplate theme
[08:12] <pips1> I can only make blind guesses :-/ was drupal 4.7 installed *over* the same directory where drupal 4.6 was before? (that might explain a broken phptemplate install)
[08:13] <cbx33> I thought highvoltage said he did a fresh install?
[08:13] <pips1> cbx33, he did indeed
[08:14] <pips1> sorry, just poking around in the blind ;-)
[08:14] <pips1> oh dear
[08:14] <pips1> highvoltage's connection is shaky
[08:15] <cbx33> np pips1 
[08:16] <cbx33> highvoltage, happy for me to move UbuntuLTSPTour to UbuntuLTSP/Tour
[08:17] <pips1> well, my guess is that the phptemplate install directory changed, since 4.7 now uses it by default, and that the "old" theme is pointing to the wrong directory, or smth. but as I said, this is just blind assumptions
[08:17] <cbx33> true
[08:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: i have some hardlinks to that, like a comment in launchpad that i can't change
[08:18] <highvoltage> pips1: if you can instlal it on a breezy machine, that would be great
[08:18] <cbx33> highvoltage, a redirect ok?
[08:19] <pips1> on a breezy machine? oh, ok, I could do that. but I wanted to use my dapper test server. why do you want me to do it on breezy?
[08:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, that's cool then
[08:20] <highvoltage> pips1: that's what's running on the edubuntu server. if you'd like to reproduce that environment, then a breezy server would be best. but if you want to install on dapper, nothing wrong with that either :)
[08:20] <pips1> ok, I see
[08:20] <cbx33> highvoltage, the only thing I can think of is addind something like
[08:20] <cbx33> set(error,"E_ALL")
[08:20] <cbx33> or what ever the command is
[08:20] <cbx33> I fforget
[08:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: where do i set that?
[08:21] <cbx33> you'd actually have to edit one of the pages
[08:21] <pips1> ok, I see what I can do to get drupal installed to investigate this theme brokenness...
[08:21] <cbx33> like one of the first php files that is called
[08:22] <LaserJock> ok, reading tons of backlog
[08:22] <pips1> highvoltage, will you be around in the next four days?
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: I don't think the help.ubuntu.com wiki will be closed
[08:22] <highvoltage> pips1: yep
[08:22] <pips1> great
[08:22] <highvoltage> pips1: especially over the weekend
[08:23] <pips1> ok, noted
[08:23] <ogra> LaserJock, help.ubuntu.com will be filled from svn, no ?
[08:23] <highvoltage> pips1: and evenings
[08:23] <highvoltage> pips1: during daytime i'm pressed with tuxlab stuff
[08:23] <LaserJock> ogra: no
[08:23] <pips1> I need to negotiate with my wife :-) but I'm hoping to get some play time ;-)
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: help.ubuntu.com/6.06 will be from svn (the docs that are shipped with (K)ubuntu
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: help.ubuntu.com/wiki will be just like the current wiki, but only for user documentation
[08:24] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33 talk to you later!
[08:24] <cbx33> ok pips1 
[08:24] <LaserJock> ogra: help.ubuntu.com/wiki is what we are moving the docs to
[08:24] <pips1> bye
[08:24] <highvoltage> pips1: cheers!
[08:24] <cbx33> highvoltage, did that idea sound any good?
[08:24] <ogra> LaserJock, and every random user can add stuff like in the current wiki ?
[08:25] <LaserJock> ogra: I believe so
[08:25] <ogra> so why do we keep wiki.ubuntu.com then ? 
[08:25] <LaserJock> for development and spec
[08:26] <ogra> hmm ... thats a massive duplication ... you wont get users to only use one or the other for docs i guess
[08:26] <LaserJock> ogra: the point was, people should go to help.ubuntu.com for documentation, wheither that be HTML or wiki
[08:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: which one, the log one?
[08:26] <cbx33> the php one
[08:26] <cbx33> tbh I think it's going to confuse a lot of people
[08:27] <cbx33> I've been here 2 months and I still don;t know where everything is
[08:27] <highvoltage> what is?
[08:27] <ogra> LaserJock, i also fail to see the point of the 3 months of work we did to get ed,k,ubuntu wikis use the same wiki
[08:27] <cbx33> sorry highvoltage was jusmping in on the doc/wiki band wagon
[08:27] <ogra> since that seems pointless now
[08:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: that's something that we'll hopefully have fixed real soon :)
[08:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, that's fine, it's all connected
[08:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: since we'll have a doc.edubuntu.org drupal page at some point too, after we get over some teething problems ;)
[08:28] <LaserJock> ogra: certain core docs will be only editable by doc team people
[08:28] <cbx33> http://uk2.php.net/manual/en/function.ini-set.php
[08:28] <ogra> LaserJock, lest see how it works out ... i dont see the advantage yet
[08:28] <LaserJock> ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterWikiDocs is the spec if you want
[08:28] <highvoltage> ogra: merging the edubuntu wiki wasn't worth the work, in my opinion.
[08:29] <ogra> highvoltage++
[08:29] <cbx33> ini_set('error_reporting','E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE'
[08:29] <cbx33> )
[08:29] <cbx33> perhaps
[08:29] <LaserJock> ogra: basically, if you want help you should go to help.ubuntu.com, not help.ubuntu.com + wiki.ubuntu.com
[08:29] <cbx33> and 
[08:29] <cbx33> ; - display_errors = On
[08:29] <cbx33> but i nthe ini_set format
[08:30] <LaserJock> and wiki.ubuntu.com has a mix of user documentation and specs, and developer work
[08:30] <ogra> yep
[08:30] <highvoltage> cbx33: hold that thought, brrb
[08:30] <cbx33> np
[08:30] <ogra> i see *your* (docteams) point, but i dont agree from a user pov :)
[08:30] <ogra> (as i didnt for the wiki merge)
[08:30] <LaserJock> ogra: I actually am the other way around
[08:31] <LaserJock> I don't see it from the doc team member point of view, but I see it as a user pov
[08:31] <LaserJock> well, I see it less from the doc team point of view, I should say
[08:32] <LaserJock> as a new user, I hated that I had to go all over *.ubuntu* to find help
[08:32] <LaserJock> we will have 1 url to remember, help.ubuntu.com
[08:32] <LaserJock> plus it alows for much better searching
[08:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, may i as k again how people will update it
[08:33] <LaserJock> cbx33: just like the current wiki
[08:33] <cbx33> so we will have 2 wikis?
[08:33] <LaserJock> no
[08:33] <LaserJock> and yes
[08:33] <LaserJock> we will have 1 user documentation wiki and 1 development + specs wiki
[08:34] <cbx33> supersition of states ??? :S
[08:34] <cbx33> you don;t know what wiki you'll get till you observe it :p
[08:34] <LaserJock> but for now it I think it is just a copy + redirect
[08:34] <cbx33> riight
[08:36] <LaserJock> anyway, I don't know all the in's and out's of this thing, but there was a spec and it was approved and we got a server for it
[08:36] <LaserJock> the actual move should happen fairly soon as we want everything in place for the release
[08:36] <cbx33> thanks LaserJock 
[08:37] <cbx33> please don;t hink I was attacking you :p
[08:37] <LaserJock> no, not at all
[08:37] <LaserJock> I had lots of reservations about it to begin with to
[08:37] <cbx33> just confuses me, i suppose cos I've just got settled with moin and the wiki
[08:38] <LaserJock> yeah, change always makes people who know the current system uneasy
[08:38] <LaserJock> ogra: and btw, I've been working on testing using bzr for the doc team
[08:39] <cbx33> but can see that the lp integration would be good
[08:39] <cbx33> so I'll let that one slide :p
[08:39] <LaserJock> I like both
[08:39] <ogra> LaserJock, and ?
[08:39] <ogra> ah :)
[08:39] <LaserJock> ogra: well, at this point it isn't ideal. we would have to change our workflow quite a bit
[08:40] <LaserJock> basically it came down to, slowness and needing space to publish
[08:40] <ogra> it makes merging soo much easier
[08:41] <LaserJock> we don't really do a lot of merging
[08:41] <cbx33> svn access would make my life easier :p
[08:41] <LaserJock> somew cases when there is rapid development (ESA for instance) it is a bit tough
[08:42] <LaserJock> but for the most part we have a couple doc team members for each doc and contributors just send patches
[08:42] <cbx33> seems to work ok....
[08:42] <cbx33> apart from my getting-started page :p
[08:42] <LaserJock> I liked the idea of being able to split the repo up, but that would take a lot of retooling
[08:44] <LaserJock> anyway, I do have a bzr branch on doc.ubuntu.com for people to test with
[08:44] <LaserJock> but I found it soooo slow to do anything, or I had to do a lot of work to get things to work right
[08:45] <LaserJock> but I'm hopeful that in the future we can move to LP/bzr
[08:45] <LaserJock> I love bzr for local revision control
[08:47] <ogra> yeah
[08:48] <LaserJock> but it seems really clunky to me for remote stuff
[08:50] <cbx33> evenin HedgeMage 
[08:50] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33 
[08:50] <HedgeMage> good morning :P
[08:51] <LaserJock> I spent a couple hours with lifless trying to figure out how to use it, and I'm about the most bzr-literate of the doc team
[08:52] <lucasvo> LaserJock: it takes hours but it works very easy with sftp
[08:53] <cbx33> that's my only issue with it is that it's very very slow
[08:53] <blue-frog> sry where has gconf editor menu gone pls?
[08:53] <LaserJock> lucasvo: if you have a public place to sftp too
[08:53] <ogra> blue-frog, alt-f2
[08:53] <blue-frog> raah
[08:53] <blue-frog> ty
[08:54] <blue-frog> so it's simply gone :)
[08:54] <ogra> yep
[08:54] <ogra> as every other "non user related" item
[08:54] <LaserJock> lucasvo: the problem for the doc team is having a place where people can publish branches
[08:54] <LaserJock> and do it efficently
[08:55] <cbx33> give me svn + webdav
[08:55] <lucasvo> LaserJock: isn't there a LP supermirror?
[08:55] <cbx33> i can do it from behind a proxy then :p
[08:55] <lucasvo> cbx33: as well as bzr+webdav
[08:55] <cbx33> indeed
[08:55] <cbx33> didn;t know that was available
[08:55] <ogra> lucasvo, not done yet ... but it should come soon
[08:55] <lucasvo> LaserJock: in that case ask canonical to add a user for the docteam
[08:56] <lucasvo> ogra: too bad
[08:56] <ogra> lucasvo, its huuuge, it requires hundrets of terabytes of imports first ..
[08:56] <ogra> thats going on since hoary ...
[08:57] <LaserJock> lucasvo: they problem is non-docteam members
[08:57] <lucasvo> yup
[08:57] <lucasvo> just give them access as well :)
[08:58] <LaserJock> for doc team people we can give them space, but for the random contributor it is a bit much to ask for them to publish a ~150MB branch all the time
[08:58] <cbx33> LaserJock, I agree
[08:58] <LaserJock> lucasvo: that would be like us opening Main to anybody who wants to upload a package ;-)
[08:58] <cbx33> whist I love contributing
[08:58] <cbx33> I don't have the space for hat right now
[08:59] <cbx33> do it do it do it
[08:59] <cbx33> :p
[08:59] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm still holding that thought....but it's getting wriggly now :p
[09:00] <lucasvo> LaserJock: yup
[09:01] <LaserJock> if we could split the repo up into chunks it would at least be more managable
[09:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm getting some help from the druapl channels...
[09:01] <cbx33> ok
[09:01] <cbx33> is it working
[09:01] <cbx33> :p
[09:02] <cbx33> mind if I sit in too?
[09:02] <cbx33> #drupal?
[09:02] <LaserJock> ok, stupid question. where is the edubuntu drupal stuff? is that www.edubuntu.org?
[09:03] <cbx33> yes
[09:04] <LaserJock> k
[09:05] <cbx33> brb
[09:14] <LaserJock> ogra: have you seen freeduc before?
[09:15] <ogra> LaserJock, we had cotacted ofset back when we had the edubuntu summit, but they didnt want to come iirc
[09:15] <LaserJock> I was reading through the Knoppix Hacks book I bought some time ago and they mention it
[09:16] <LaserJock> they give a little listing of the apps
[09:17] <cbx33> but want to move it to ubuntu
[09:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: Ichthux might move to kubuntu
[09:18] <cbx33> yeh we thought about jubuntu too
[09:18] <HedgeMage> I haven't been in #drupal and #drupal-support lately, I should put them back on my autojoins
[09:20] <LaserJock> I don't know anything about drupal, but that isn't anything new.
[09:20] <HedgeMage> lol
[09:21] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I've been doing drupal stuff for ages :)
[09:21] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I love drupal!
[09:21] <LaserJock> I am slowly resigning myself to the fact that I will never even approach the knowledge I want
[09:21] <HedgeMage> hehe
[09:21] <HedgeMage> but isn't trying fun?
[09:22] <LaserJock> sort of
[09:22] <LaserJock> frustrating and discouraging mostly at this point
[09:22] <HedgeMage> :(
[09:22] <cbx33> LaserJock, me too
[09:23] <LaserJock> I currently spend my time bouncing between the Doc Team, MOTU, and Edubuntu, but never *really* knowing any
[09:23] <cbx33> yeh right LaserJock 
[09:23] <cbx33> you know more than I :p
[09:23] <cbx33> well,m iun the areas I want to know about :p
[09:25] <LaserJock> but I don't want to abandon any of them
[09:25] <LaserJock> so I have to figure out some way of creating a 36 hr day
[09:26] <cbx33> LaserJock, oh do share :p
[09:27] <cbx33> may start to redreaft the ltsp front page :D
[09:27] <HedgeMage> bbl, TT needs me
[09:29] <LaserJock> actually, my biggest issue is making the time I do have more efficient
[09:35] <crimsun> LaserJock: welcome to academia.
[09:35] <crimsun> RE: "I am slowly resigning myself to the fact that I will never even approach the knowledge I want"
[09:36] <crimsun> the first step is to admit that you will never know very much of anything much less everything about nothing
[09:40] <LaserJock> I'm there man
[09:43] <cbx33> new meeting minutes up
[09:43] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[09:44] <ogra> cbx33, i'm missing a link to http://www.progbox.co.uk/jane.jpg
[09:44] <cbx33> yikes how did I miss that
[09:44] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[09:44] <cbx33> apart from that does it sound ok
[09:45] <ogra> "reported the jelkner"
[09:45] <ogra> "reported that jelkner"
[09:45] <ogra> "people to look at the very hard before the release"
[09:45] <ogra> "people to look very hard before the release"
[09:46] <LaserJock> yeah, to bad I didn't know we were having a meeting (I'm not sure I could have made it anyway)
[09:46] <ogra> else its all fine from my POV
[09:47] <cbx33> done and changed
[09:47] <LaserJock> ogra: by "ogra - made a plea for more developers to help with edubuntu" do you mean core-devs or MOTUs or ...?
[09:48] <cbx33> ogra just said developers in general
[09:48] <ogra> people with knowledge and upload privs
[09:48] <cbx33> but if you want to specifiy ogra we can change it
[09:48] <cbx33> I'll add that
[09:48] <ogra> or people who just send patches etc
[09:48] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:49] <ogra> i.e. Yagisan once sent me a small patch that grew several heads later and became our multiarch support in ltsp ...
[09:49] <LaserJock> yeah, Yagisan is awesome
[09:49] <ogra> he has no upload provs and is no packager but it was a very valuable dev contribution
[09:49] <ogra> *privs
[09:49] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:51] <LaserJock> I want to get my toes a little wet with Python
[09:51] <cbx33> aww
[09:52] <cbx33> me too me too
[09:52] <cbx33> actually I have a little project that I'm goign to work on.....but not sure how useful it will be for edubuntu
[09:52] <cbx33> hey highvoltage2 
[09:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: maybe a joint Edubuntu python adventure? ;-)
[09:52] <highvoltage2> chey cbx33 
[09:52] <highvoltage2> problem sorted :)
[09:52] <cbx33> LaserJock, I would actually love that
[09:53] <cbx33> I love working with people on things
[09:53] <cbx33> what was it in the end?
[09:53] <cbx33> highvoltage2 Heine: thanks, it was the theme's sidebar content settings all along. thanks for all your help and patience!!!
[09:53] <cbx33> :D:D:
[09:53] <cbx33> yazooo
[09:53] <highvoltage2> the theme can override block settings, so i had to edit it at: http://www.edubuntu.org/admin/block/list/edubuntu
[09:54] <highvoltage2> i can't believe it was that simple
[09:54] <cbx33> hehe
[09:54] <cbx33> sometimes it really is :p
[09:54] <ogra> wow, looks cool
[09:54] <ogra> the bottom needs some love thouhg
[09:54] <highvoltage2> ogra: still work in progress
[09:54] <ogra> yep
[09:55] <LaserJock> ohhh, edubuntu.org hotness :-)
[09:55] <ogra> but still, LOOKS REALLY COOL !
[09:55] <highvoltage2> ogra: yeah, but edubuntugirl said we should put it up already
[09:55] <highvoltage2> ogra: thanks :)
[09:55] <ogra> :D
[09:55] <bluefrog-10> raah edubuntu "normal" cd is a noo no to install on my sony laptop :(
[09:56] <ogra> normal ???
[09:56] <highvoltage2> cbx33: if you want a copy for your local installation, you can get it at http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/edubuntu.tar
[09:56] <cbx33> nicely done highvoltage2 
[09:56] <cbx33> wicked :)
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> normal compared to install from livecd
[09:56] <cbx33> LaserJock, seriously keep me in mind for your python project :D
[09:56] <ogra> bluefrog-10, our install CD is your "normal" CD
[09:56] <highvoltage2> yay!!!! someone else thinks that d-i is normal as apposed to espresso!
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> ogra yes
[09:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude, I need a project, you got anything in mind? :-)
[09:57] <ogra> bluefrog-10, depending on architecture the liveCDs are broken ... wait for the next build (in 1.2h)
[09:57] <cbx33> well I have a very small project I was going to work on
[09:57] <ogra> *1-2
[09:57] <cbx33> would be happy to work on it with you if you think it's useful
[09:58] <bluefrog-10> black screen at 59%, can't switch console, but cd still running from time to time and there is HDD activity.  that is using edubuntu install cd.. Installing from livecd works perfectly on the other hand on same laptop 
[09:59] <bluefrog-10> and i rsync edu install cd 2 hours ago
[09:59] <ogra> bluefrog-10, at which speed tot you burn that CD ?
[09:59] <ogra> *did
[10:00] <bluefrog-10> don't remember but at 10 i would presume with k3b, choosing verify cd at boot prompt tells me cd is fine
[10:00] <bluefrog-10> 10 cause RW
[10:00] <ogra> i usually recommend 8x max ... but 10 might still work ...
[10:02] <bluefrog-10> going to burn another brand just in case
[10:03] <bluefrog-10> at 8
[10:03] <bluefrog-10> now i have to overburn but did the same with livecd so..
[10:04] <ogra> hmm, that might be different ... te liveCD uses squashfs 
[10:04] <bluefrog-10> *looking for 800MB blank CD desperately*
[10:05] <bluefrog-10> *ah ah going to download DVD, no need to overburn :)*
[10:06] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: 800MB blank cd?
[10:06] <bluefrog-10> :)
[10:06] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: how big is your edubuntu cd?
[10:07] <bluefrog-10> iso as per 2 hours ago 694
[10:07] <bluefrog-10> cd 700
[10:08] <ogra> it *must* fit on 700M media without overburn ... thats how debian-cd on the builders is set up
[10:08] <bluefrog-10> well if overburn is not necessary k3b doesn't use it..
[10:09] <bluefrog-10> .. I think
[10:09] <highvoltage> bluefrog-10: try from the command line:
[10:09] <highvoltage> cdrecorf -v -dao -eject cd.iso -dev /dev/hdd speed=8
[10:09] <highvoltage> where /dev/hdd is your cdrom device and cd.iso the name of the cd image
[10:09] <bluefrog-10> yes yes
[10:09] <highvoltage> urgh, replave cdrecorf with cdrecord
[10:10] <bluefrog-10> i finish burning on another cd brand, then while the install will run will do that on another cd
[10:11] <bluefrog-10> *is far from being a command line god :)*
[10:11] <ogra> even though i once worked with the original author ...
[10:12] <ogra> nautilus is soo much easier for burning isos
[10:12] <highvoltage> k3b is very nice. better than nero under windows imho
[10:12] <bluefrog-10> oh yes never think of it
[10:12] <highvoltage> graveman is getting there fast too...
[10:13] <bluefrog-10> highvoltage, how do you erase cd from command line if I may , pls?
[10:14] <highvoltage> cdrecord blank=fast /dev/cdrom
[10:14] <bluefrog-10> ty
[10:14] <bluefrog-10> k3b is burning my cd right now at 4
[10:15] <bluefrog-10> ah noticed something when I had dapper installed few hours ago
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> about shared folders.. at first I chose samba only, and then I wanted to enable nfs as well, never could, wasn't given the choice
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> installed nfs-common but then daemon wouldn't start bitching about chown /var//something/ to another user than root
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> or /usr/lib (don't recall exactly)
[10:18] <highvoltage> goodnight, ogra, cbx33 LaserJock and bluefrog-10 
[10:18] <bluefrog-10> night
[10:18] <ogra> night highvoltage 
[10:26] <bluefrog-10> dvd I find in edubuntu/dvd/current is the same as the one in dvd/current?
[10:27] <ogra> its the edubuntu dvd
[10:27] <ogra> the latter is ubuntu
[10:27] <bluefrog-10> ok so edubuntu dvd is really full of edubuntu stuff ok ty
[10:27] <bluefrog-10> it has all arch i presume?
[10:28] <ogra> nope
[10:28] <bluefrog-10> or all language packs?
[10:28] <ogra> yes
[10:28] <bluefrog-10> yes sry looking at the page right now different dvd for arch
[10:28] <ogra> all of "supported" (which is the major part of main)
[10:29] <bluefrog-10> if this install hangs up on me again i will try an install in text mode... i suspect a graphical problem..
[10:30] <bluefrog-10> hum no graphics are miniaml anyway when retrieving/installing packages
[10:34] <bluefrog-10> weird on previous install eth0 was my intel ethernet and eth1 was wifi, now it's reversed
[10:35] <ogra> udev ...
[10:35] <bluefrog-10> dynamic?
[10:35] <ogra> yep
[10:35] <bluefrog-10> ok
[10:35] <ogra> but only on install afaik ...
[10:39] <bluefrog-10> *thinks it was the first and last time he used a command line to blank a CD, hopes the player is not fucked up... :( *
[10:40] <ogra> k3b uses the same command, be sure 
[10:40] <mhz> cbx33: ping
[10:40] <bluefrog-10> well never had the problem I have now
[10:41] <bluefrog-10> might be ok..
[10:43] <mhz> cbx33: ping
[10:50] <cbx33> mhz, hi
[11:04] <blue-frog> ogra do you know off your head what's installing after xfonts? black screen again with cd written at $x
[11:04] <blue-frog> 4x
[11:06] <mhz> cbx33: hey, sorry... phone
[11:06] <cbx33> np
[11:06] <mhz> cbx33: so, did you get my reasons before I had trouble with ISP?
[11:07] <cbx33> no?
[11:07] <cbx33> tellme again
[11:09] <mhz> cbx33: may 24 09:54:10 <mhz>   cbx33: 1) Moin is my very good friend, it is a bit "scary" I use Moin for about 90% of my work (agenda, calendar, todo, biz quotes, planning, meeting records, etc) so, translate it via moin it is way faster for me than doing it via rosetta, plus I can take it with me as it is plain text in the end
[11:10] <mhz> cbx33: may 24 10:03:06 <mhz>   cbx33: 2) ESA would be great notice text for media coverage here in Chile 
[11:10] <mhz> may 24 10:03:40 <mhz>   and good "translation work" to start motivating more spanish speakers to do smething for edubuntu
[11:11] <cbx33> ah yes
[11:12] <mhz> cbx33: so, are you ok with this?
[11:12] <cbx33> mhz, translate and use it as you wish :D
[11:13] <mhz> cbx33: okis, thx :)
[11:13] <cbx33> I'll let you know when we have somewhere to put it here
[11:13] <mhz> cbx33: sure
[11:13] <mhz> cbx33: and if you need help with moin stuff, just let me know
[11:14] <cbx33> will do
[11:17] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[11:17] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[11:17] <Bluekuja> cya guys, see you all tomorrow
[11:18] <Bluekuja> :)
[11:18] <pygi> night andrea
[11:20] <cbx33> nn Bluekuja 
[11:29] <cbx33> ping HedgeMage 
[11:45] <cbx33> nn all
[01:17] <bimberi> ogra et. al. : I've tried a recent edubuntu powerpc daily build (~24 hours ago) on our Mac Mini (G3 256Mb RAM). Live only (no install). Booted fine and ran a few apps OK.
[01:18] <bimberi> ... so looks good :)
[01:18] <ogra> bimberi, would you note that down on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu ?
[01:18] <bimberi> ogra: sure
[01:18] <ogra> thanks ! :)
[01:18] <bimberi> :)
[01:53] <LaserJock> ogra: why would you get a typo bug?
[01:54] <ogra> because people will expect it to be Edubuntu 6.06 LTSP :)
[01:54] <LaserJock> doh, I just thought of that
[01:54] <LaserJock> hehe
[01:54] <ogra> its really an odd abbreviation clash :)
[01:55] <LaserJock> sort of like Ebuntu ;-)
[01:55] <ogra> whoops no i was actually shocked
[01:55] <ogra> i just forgot i'm doing a workstation install ... 
[01:56] <ogra> and suddenly the network confgured itself :)
[01:57] <LaserJock> I tried out the i386 live CD last night on my laptop at home
[01:57] <LaserJock> first time I've tried Linux on it I think
[01:57] <LaserJock> the wireless, "Just Worked"
[01:57] <LaserJock> very  cool
[01:57] <ogra> yeah
[01:57] <ogra> its kind of cool :)
[02:41] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:41] <ogra> hi
[02:41] <ogra> jsgotangco, did you ever test the workstation install on amd64 ?
[02:41] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:41] <jsgotangco> last night it was fine
[02:41] <ogra> hrm
[02:42] <jsgotangco> im doing an rsync now
[02:42] <ogra> i just had one where i ended up with no gdm and no edubuntu-desktop installed
[02:42] <ogra> and i'm not sure its the DVD
[02:43] <jsgotangco> im doing an rsync now and will test
[02:44] <ogra> great thanks ...
[02:44] <ogra> trying amd64 default install now
[02:48] <ogra> 2M only ...
[02:48] <ogra> you can get 20M here
[02:52] <jsgotangco> i'd go for 2M anytime compared to my 512 here
[02:52] <jsgotangco> and its 9am it becomes a bit clogged up
[02:52] <ogra> my eyes couldnt bear 9am atm :)
[02:53] <ogra> too much daylight :)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> 1 file to consider
[02:55] <jsgotangco> dapper-install-amd64.iso
[02:55] <jsgotangco>     94316341  13%   25.60kB/s    6:47:47
[02:55] <jsgotangco> pffttt
[02:55] <ogra> hmm there wasnt much change ...
[02:55] <ogra> it should come up to speed quickly
[02:57] <HedgeMage> What language, or languages, if any are we hurting for translators for?
[02:59] <ogra> for dapper none anymore ...
[02:59] <ogra> for edgy all we can get
[04:01] <HedgeMage> lol I meant in general
[04:01] <HedgeMage> I might get free foriegn language classes through an army thing
[04:02] <ogra> hmm we have 90 langs we support, pick one :)
[04:02] <ogra> i personally find xhosa intresting ...
[04:02] <ogra> (has a cool name)
[04:02] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:03] <HedgeMage> I might start with Arabic, since hubby et al. spend so much time in the middle east...
[04:03] <HedgeMage> I'm still thinking about it
[04:03] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt
[04:03] <ogra> there is a list of all languages
[04:04] <HedgeMage> cool
[04:04] <HedgeMage> I'm wondering if I should pick something common and likely to be frequently used, or something obscure and interesting
[04:06] <ogra> do you plan to go to canada ? then pick french ;) do you plan to go south, pick spanish :)
[04:06] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:07] <HedgeMage> If I'm smart, I probably will start with a Romance language, as I already know Latin they should be pretty easy for me
[04:09] <HedgeMage> Hubby's best friend is a bit of a linguist, I should find out what he knows so I have someone to practice on :)
[04:09] <HedgeMage> then again, when all else fails, there are always random IRC people, so I'll at least get the written/read bits down no matter what I leran
[04:09] <HedgeMage> learn
[04:10] <ogra> yeah
[04:16] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'm trying German and French but I'm not getting very far on my own
[04:17] <ogra> we can train german in paris ... :)
[04:17] <ogra> and well, you can train yourself in french in paris as well :)
[04:17] <HedgeMage> hehe I'd think Paris would be better for french :P
[04:17] <HedgeMage> I so wish I was going :/
[04:17] <ogra> my french sucks
[04:17] <ogra> you didnt apply for sponsorship, did you ? 
[04:18] <HedgeMage> You guys will all have to blog frequently so I can live vicariously through you :P
[04:18] <HedgeMage> ogra: sponsorship? no, I didn't know there was any available
[04:18] <ogra> blog ... hmm
[04:18] <ogra> i think my last blog entry is more than a year ago
[04:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:18] <HedgeMage> lol you're worse than me, then, mine's only a month or so ago
[04:18] <ogra> HedgeMage, we always sponsor a bunch of people
[04:19] <HedgeMage> ogra: spiffy... I'd assume it's too late to apply by now, though?
[04:19] <ogra> yep
[04:19] <HedgeMage> figured.
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Mon, 25 Jul 2005
[04:19] <jsgotangco> MediaWiki packages available
[04:19] <ogra> may 15th was the end date
[04:19] <jsgotangco> almost
[04:19] <HedgeMage> at least I know for next time, whenever that is :)
[04:19] <ogra> in november ...
[04:20] <ogra> *wherever* it is ;)
[04:20] <HedgeMage> ooh :)  my birthday is in November... ;)
[04:20] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:21] <jsgotangco> i truly doubt we'll see the day an ubuntu devel conf happens in the USA
[04:21] <ogra> yep
[04:22] <ogra> even mark has changed his mind a bit
[04:22] <jsgotangco> Montreal was the closest
[04:22] <ogra> yup
[04:22] <ogra> but he had a usa business travel after montreal
[04:24] <jsgotangco> it was still pretty risky heh
[04:24] <ogra> heh+
[04:25] <HedgeMage> hehe
 mhz - You are nothing but a half-faced assload of festering IE.
[05:29] <Laser_away> doh, I just figured out how I can test LTSP
[05:30] <jsgotangco> its not even installing heh
[05:35] <Laser_away> mhz: ouch
[05:36] <mhz> Laser_away: is that a bad insult ? :D
[05:43] <Laser_away> if I install ltsp-server on an Ubuntu install can I use the Edubuntu documentation on setting up a LTSP server?
[05:53] <mhz> Laser_away: hmmm
[05:53] <mhz> not sure.. Edubuntu LTSP, IIRC, it uses a diff approach than regular LTSP
[05:53] <mhz> Edubuntu forwards X all the time
[05:54] <mhz> and AFAIK, LTSP does not work the same way
[05:54] <mhz> Edubuntu works via ssh forwarding
[05:56] <jsgotangco> its the same
[06:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: are you sure?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> why would it diverge from ubuntu itself?
[06:20] <mhz> why would I know the answer?
[06:21] <mhz> it does install diff dirs
[06:21] <mhz> and it does use diff config files
[06:21] <jsgotangco> mhz: i wouldn't count on it
[06:21] <mhz> that is a fact
[06:21] <mhz> many people have installed LTSP but not Edubuntu-server
[06:21] <jsgotangco> it doesn't make sense to me if edubuntu ltsp is different from ubuntu ltsp
[06:22] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, maybe you are right on the point that the "technology" is the same
[06:22] <mhz> but the installation is indeed different
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i was talking about ubuntu and edubuntu not other implementations of ltsp from diff distros
[06:22] <mhz> me too
[06:23] <mhz> if you install LTSP server (ubuntu) you will edit config files in locations that do not correspond to the ones installed by edubuntu-server
[06:23] <mhz> actually, you edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf for edubuntu-sever
[06:24] <mhz> while in normal ubuntu ltsp you do not have that file there
[06:24] <mhz> (that was an example, only)
[06:24] <mhz> (and it is also a fact)
[06:25] <jsgotangco> there maybe differences, but it should be trivial imo
[06:43] <mhz> Laser_away: bottom line, you can try, of course. LTSP will work in the end. But if you ask in the sense of "edubuntu support", the logical thing is to follow edubuntu steps/docs ;)
[07:34] <mhz> highvoltage: hi man
[07:35] <mhz> highvoltage: got 2 minutes?
[07:35] <highvoltage> hey mhz 
[07:35] <highvoltage> mhz: sure, since i'm locked out of the office here :)
[07:36] <mhz> highvoltage: lol
[07:36] <highvoltage> oooh, this is nice: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/zoom/
[07:36] <mhz> highvoltage: it is confirmed... FET will be on June 20 and 21st
[07:37] <highvoltage> whohoo!
[07:37] <mhz> therefore, you won't be here :(
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: you must feel very relieved hey?
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, i'm happy for you though :)
[07:37] <mhz> honestly... it is as terrible news as JaneW not continuing in Edubuntu :(
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: just make sure there's another FET next year ;)
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: nah, it's not as bad as that at all
[07:38] <highvoltage> mhz: i'm sure you'll do just fine
[07:38] <mhz> well, that is the idea, as well as we'll have the Institute and Edubuntu Chile working as a distro cutomized for low Chilean hardware school pc's
[07:38] <highvoltage> nice, you know what they're goign to base it off from?
[07:39] <mhz> highvoltage: then, I wanted to tell you "personally" about this
[07:39] <mhz> highvoltage: what you mean?
[07:39] <mhz> oh, I guess, Edubuntu-server + XFCE 
[07:40] <mhz> GNOME is really killing my older hardware performance
[07:40] <highvoltage> ah ok. nice
[07:40] <highvoltage> yeah, we're going to use Edubuntu + Xubuntu in tuxlabs too
[07:40] <mhz> and normal server-boxes are not higher than 2 Ghz of processor and 1 GHz of RAM
[07:40] <Burgundavia> what is default memory usage for XFCE like?
[07:40] <highvoltage> it doesn't really kill the thin clients as much as it kills the server
[07:40] <highvoltage> ouch @ 1GM of RAM
[07:41] <mhz> yeah, true
[07:41] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: just a sec, i'll get you some stats
[07:41] <mhz> highvoltage: re FET/ you said you could propose a friend of yours?
[07:42] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2005/09/msg00067.html
[07:42] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i think i can
[07:42] <highvoltage> mhz: i can phone him in about 30 minutes, when other people start arriving at the office
[07:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, wow, almost half
[07:43] <Burgundavia> I hope this nautilus performance stuff comes through
[07:43] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yep, and xfce has come a long way, it's much more prettier and usable than it used to be
[07:43] <mhz> Burgundavia: see? that's why we need to customize stuff here in Chile
[07:43] <highvoltage> and not only is xfce less memory intensive, it's less CPU intensive as well
[07:44] <mhz> highvoltage: indeed. Jani, Nomed and others have been putting lots of work in xubuntu 
[07:44] <highvoltage> and it doesn't have fancy animations like when you minimize a window in gnome, which does nothing more but waste network bandwidth on ltsp
[07:45] <Burgundavia> it would nice if xfce and gnome could figure out a longterm merge plan
[07:45] <mhz> when I talk to nemd and see his work.. I can't help thinking of him as anohter ogra.
[07:45] <mhz> nemd = nomed
[07:46] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you should file some bugs upstream to get some gconf keys for turning off the fancy stuff
[07:46] <highvoltage> mhz: i talked to jani about a month ago, and he said dapper version of xubuntu will have ltsp as well as an option
[07:46] <highvoltage> mhz: so you could start with the xubuntu cd, and then just install the other apps on top of that
[07:46] <mhz> highvoltage: re FET/ If I can have his CD in the next 5 hours in my inbox, then I might have  a chance to suggest him as a replacement for you, considering he has experience on those labs in southafrica
[07:47] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: yeah.
[07:47] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, he's an ideal person to come and talk about it, and although he's also extremely busy, i'm sure he'd love to come and talk
[07:48] <mhz> highvoltage: and how diff could it be to install Edubuntu and then Xubuntu on top? As long as I use xubuntu I should have same better results in server performance?
[07:48] <mhz> highvoltage: does he look like the Manchester United player too?
[07:49] <highvoltage> mhz: well, with hair like that, he definately looks like a soccer player :)
[07:50] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, you could do it that way around as well, but you just end up with more install cd's
[07:50] <highvoltage> (since you're shipping gnome, which you won't really be using)
[07:51] <mhz> The plan so far is to keep Edubuntu Chile so we can make clear we still work with same devel group nad we just have 2 alternatives for schools. Gnome and XFCE... they choose. The diff for us, is that we'll customize language, artwrok, install, etc. A11y is also an important target.
[07:52] <mhz> yeah, i see your point but we still need GNOME (which could be installed after xubuntu-edu-lstp environment) so end-users may see similarities to M$
[07:53] <mhz> highvoltage: re FET/ if he can send me both the letter and his CV during next 5 hours, then I'll be glad to suggest him as a YOU
[07:53] <mhz> after that, I can't really promise anything
[07:54] <mhz> BTW, your CV had the format/layout they wanted here, so it was cool.
[07:54] <highvoltage> ok, I'll get Hilton to pass his info on to you
[07:58] <mhz> highvoltage: THX a lot and I am sorry Mark has moved the Paris event for June too :(
[07:58] <highvoltage> hehe. all his fault eh?
[07:59] <mhz> now, if I could get about 50 Edubuntu Dapper CD's and t-shirts... I could also do something interesting during FET
[07:59] <mhz> highvoltage: yeah!
[07:59] <mhz> :D
[07:59] <highvoltage> mhz: strip while throwing out edubuntu cd's?
[07:59] <mhz> LOL!
[08:00] <mhz> nah, that was why YOU were coming here
[08:00] <mhz> hmmm.... "wet contest = Wet Edubuntu T-Shirts contests!!!" 
[08:00] <mhz> w.e.t
[08:01] <Burgundavia> oh, sorry, but I don't want to see most of the people who work on Edubuntu naked/topless
[08:01] <mhz> Burgundavia: oh come on! why do you think they chose Paris?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> right
[08:10] <mhz> highvoltage: do you know this person? Heather Ford or  Daniela Faris? 
[08:11] <mhz> http://ubuntu.typepad.com/
[08:11] <highvoltage> mhz: i know Heather Ford
[08:11] <highvoltage> mhz: creative commons chick
[08:12] <highvoltage> Daniela Faris sounds familiar... can't remember who it is though
[08:12] <mhz> yup
[08:12] <mhz> Daniela has experience in design and layout, photography, web development and online publishing. She has also specialized in ICT and economics writing. She has reported on various conferences and events, including the Creative Commons South Africa launch, as part of her practical training in multimedia journalism. Daniela has completed short internships at a locally based newspaper and magazine; and at the Institute for Democracy in South Africa (Idasa), a po
[08:12] <mhz> litically focused NGO in Pretoria.
[08:13] <mhz> Heather Ford is a South African who has worked in the fields of internet policy, law and management in South Africa, the United Kingdom and the United States.
[08:13] <mhz> Recently appointed Acting Executive Director of iCommons, Heather is also helping to help establish an Intellectual Property Research Unit at the Link Centre and a new NGO called The African Commons Project.
[08:15] <mhz> if any of those is potentially geek, man, I'll gladly try to flirt with her and convince her to be my "friend" :)
[08:15] <mhz> and if pretty... well, then I won lottery!
[08:17] <Burgundavia> mhz, you dog :)
[08:24] <jsgotangco> mhz: sick man
[08:25] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, here is probably single
[08:25] <Burgundavia> s/here/he
[08:25] <jsgotangco> no not at all
[08:26] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, I have been in a separation process for the last 5 or 6 months now, Burgundavia.
[08:26] <Burgundavia> mhz, ah, totallly understandable then
[08:26] <mhz> .oO(or I'd say more than 1 year according to my ex-wife version.. and I had no idea :) )
[08:27] <mhz> Burgundavia: indeed.
[08:29] <jsgotangco> mhz: try this lol
[08:29] <jsgotangco> mhz: http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-11711-.html
[08:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: and... come one, how could my latinamerican blood resist such description: intelligent woman, works for freedom of access, has been volunteer, undertands about ICT, journalism and web design experience... geee, impossible not to react :)
[08:30] <mhz> and if she looks like JaneW and/or has that tattoo...I'd die!
[08:30] <Burgundavia> mhz, are you drolling over married Canonical employees again?
[08:31] <mhz> LOL!
[08:31] <mhz> "is she looks like..."
[08:31] <mhz> is = if
[08:31] <Burgundavia> not that JaneW is, ah never mind
[08:32] <Burgundavia> this whole conversation is probably completely against the CoC
[08:32] <mhz> jsgotangco: lol, you all are nuts :D
[08:32] <jsgotangco> mhz: hey she has a python interface lol...she can probably interface with moin too you never know
[08:33] <mhz> Burgundavia: nah, I dont think so. The way I see it, we are just talkng about some profiles of potential candidates to become part of the Edubuntu family, or not?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> mhz, dirty dirty lol
[08:33] <mhz> jsgotangco: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[08:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: where or how do you get those urls!! Do you google for them?
[08:34] <mhz> Burgundavia: see? totaly within CoC
[08:34] <jsgotangco> mhz: i have an interest in robotics
[08:35] <mhz> jsgotangco: oh, come on! too many coincidences: mobile IT, robotics, documentation, edubuntu... what else?
[08:35] <jsgotangco> JaneW: *sniff*
[08:36] <jsgotangco> mhz: early childhood development
[08:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: ROFL!!!
[08:36] <jsgotangco> i also stumbled upon E-Stim but it is not appropriate in this place
[08:36] <jsgotangco> :)
[08:36] <mhz> jsgotangco: ok, then you get Heather and I get Daniela :D
[08:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: you stumbled upon? or you intentioanlly did it?
[08:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: i stumbled at it on google, but i haven't actually seen one
[08:38] <mhz> oh, and if you did, I am sure you would try its reflexes
[08:38] <mhz> ;)
[08:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: im more interested on the interface and the software and why people use it
[08:39] <jsgotangco> but i have something similar at home from japan, but its purpose is for massage
[08:39] <JaneW> Burgundavia: I have never been opposed to sexual harrassment in the work place ;P
[08:39] <jsgotangco> running on 9v cell
[08:39] <JaneW> *joking*
[08:39] <mhz> JaneW: and now that you leave you say it?
[08:39] <jsgotangco> mhz: and i find it unfair that the controller software only works on windows and OSX
[08:39] <Burgundavia> JaneW, what will the children think! rofl
[08:40] <JaneW> Burgundavia: children...? oh, them!, drat ;)
[08:40] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, ogra could always port it, or maybe Yagisan
[08:41] <Burgundavia> JaneW, them children need to be edumacated anyway, shucks!
[08:41] <mhz> JaneW: BTW, you already got anohter job? Maybe you could ask Heaher or Daniela about it?
[08:53] <mhz> highvoltage: hehehe, anoter event right after FEThttp://icommons.org/about/
[08:53] <mhz> http://icommons.org/about/
[08:54] <mhz_zZzZ> nite you all
[09:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: i suppose you should stay on the "Edubuntu Members" team as admin until we find a replacement first?
[09:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: i don't think you should be a non-administrator yet
[09:14] <pygi> JaneW, argh, what happened? :-/
[09:14] <pygi> highvoltage, ?
[09:16] <highvoltage> pygi: http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/
[09:18] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks
[09:19] <pygi> ergh, the first few sentences are already enough :(
[09:19] <pygi> JaneW, very sorry to hear that :)
[09:19] <pygi> :(*
[09:24] <cbx33> gooooood mornin all
[09:24] <cbx33> pygi: I solved that issue with python
[09:24] <pygi> cbx33, no, not good mornin', and congrats
[09:25] <HedgeMage> JaneW: awww... I know the feeling, though I'm sorry to see you go
[09:26] <crimsun> well, best of luck, JaneW.
[09:26] <cbx33> pygi: not a good morning?
[09:27] <pygi> cbx33, no, JaneW leaving Canonical :-/
[09:27] <cbx33> I know....not good at all
[09:27] <cbx33> JaneW: did you see the latest minutes?
[09:27] <crimsun> pygi: it's not necessarily a /bad/ thing, though we would say it's sad. We can all look forward to the future, though. No sense in really miring.
[09:32] <pygi> crimsun, ah
[09:38] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, do you have that link to the prison chatter/
[09:39] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i've been trying to find it, but our lug's mailing list archives aren't very searchable
[09:39] <HedgeMage> I do give her a ton of credit, though.  I know what I went through when I left a good job to give my son what he needed, and in my case it was an emergency... doing it for important-but-not-emergency reasons is likely even harder 
[09:40] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, which list was it on?
[09:40] <JaneW> hi all
[09:40] <JaneW> sorry I had to take my car for a service - it was dying
[09:42] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I have to say, wow is clug hopping
[09:42] <pygi> hi JaneW 
[09:42] <highvoltage> Burgundavia :http://lists.clug.org.za/mailman/listinfo/clug-chat
[09:43] <HedgeMage> np
[09:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok I'll stay on the E members list
[09:43] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: wow is clug hopping? i don't understand you?
[09:43] <highvoltage> JaneW: great :)
[09:43] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, you are about 10x busier than most lugs in Western Canada
[09:44] <JaneW> highvoltage: I do need to reduce the mail flood each day, especially the superfluous stuff
[09:44] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: our wiki is coming together nicely too :) http://wiki.clug.org.za
[09:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok. i understand :)
[09:46] <JaneW> cbx33: where are the minutes
[09:46] <JaneW> cbx33: I am looking at the old page
[09:48] <pygi> Enjoy ppl, talk to you later
[09:48] <highvoltage> bingo
[09:49] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: http://lists.clug.org.za/pipermail/clug-chat/2005-May/012365.html
[09:53] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, that is pretty sad
[09:54] <Burgundavia> people can be very blinkered
[09:55] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: *nods*
[09:55] <Burgundavia> well, I need to sleep
[09:55] <Burgundavia> good night
[09:56] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: but like i said, the conversation did bring out some nice posts, Jonathan Hitcock (another member of JOCUAMAOE), wrote this: http://lists.clug.org.za/pipermail/clug-chat/2005-May/012367.html
[10:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: or shall I say warder? ;P
[10:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[10:07] <JaneW> highvoltage: Prisoner Cell Block U (for Ubuntu)
[10:07] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: erm... E... for Edubuntu ;)
[10:07] <JaneW> right!
[10:08] <pips1> hullo
[10:08] <HedgeMage> hi pips1 
[10:09] <pips1> hi HedgeMage 
[10:09] <highvoltage> hey pips1 
[10:10] <pips1> highvoltage, did you see the security announcements?
[10:11] <highvoltage> pips1: yep, will update, thanks
[10:11] <pips1> oki
[10:12] <pips1> hey, you fixed the theme!!
[10:13] <pips1> :)
[10:13] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: can I list clug.org.za at fossug.org?  (A project I'm slowly putting together with links to various user groups, resources, etc)
[10:15] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: sure :)
[10:17] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: cool... have a sentence or two blurb to go with the link?
[10:19] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: take the first paragraph of http://www.clug.org.za
[10:20] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: cool, will do :)
[10:20] <HedgeMage> omg your logo is great
[10:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: it's table mountain at the top there
[10:26] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: you can see table mountain with penguins on http://www.sanccob.co.za/
[10:26] <highvoltage> (second pic in the middle)
[10:27] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:27] <pips1> nice
[10:29] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: if the new DNS has propogated in your direction already, you can check out the logo on http://olympia.fossug.org that's one of the better ones I've done -- I'm just not a graphics person.
[10:29] <HedgeMage> I make things work, I don't make them pretty :P
[10:31] <blue-frog> hi all
[10:32] <HedgeMage> hi blue-frog 
[10:32] <blue-frog> ahve finally found out where my installs "hangs up" on my vaio laptop. get a black screen at xserver configuration
[10:33] <blue-frog> so I believe I can continue the install as the cd is still running and the HDD as well, but I have to finish it blind
[10:37] <pips1> blue-frog, good luck!
[10:37] <blue-frog> yep especially if it's asking me where to put grub :(
[10:38] <blue-frog> from memory i think it's the next step after asking screen resolution
[10:39] <pips1> isn't there a screenshot series that documents the default installation routine?
[10:39] <cbx33> JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[10:39] <blue-frog> pips1 good thought
[10:39] <blue-frog> gonna google
[10:39] <JaneW> cbx33: thanks
[10:41] <JaneW> cbx33: LMAO
[10:41] <cbx33> :D
[10:42] <JaneW> cbx33: excellent minutes by the way
[10:42] <JaneW> you sum up very well and clearly
[10:42] <pips1> blue-frog, http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted ? hth
[10:43] <cbx33> JaneW: thank you
[10:43] <blue-frog> pips1, cool.  trying
[10:44] <cbx33> I was always told I write very concisely....one of my failing points apparently...oh and very colloqually (however you spell it)
[10:47] <HedgeMage> cbx33: colloquially
[10:48] <HedgeMage> Does anyone know if we have a meeting reminder mailing list set up anywhere?  I forget half the time until the last minute or too late.
[10:48] <JaneW> cbx33: well it's prefect for minutes
[10:48] <JaneW> cbx33: perhaps not for an epic novel :P
[10:48] <HedgeMage> I require advanced nagging, at least until life here stabalizes a bit :P
[10:50] <pips1> cbx33, the meeting notes read just fine
[10:53] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I tend to be too verbose, so together we'd make a well-balanced team :P
[10:53] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I agree that the minutes are just great as is :)
[11:01] <blue-frog> need a bit of help from experienced grub user on dapper pls if available
[11:01] <blue-frog> have to finished dapper install blind
[11:01] <blue-frog> had to *
[11:02] <blue-frog> when i boot have grub error 17
[11:02] <blue-frog> i started a livecd and found out in the dpkg.log that I encountered a problem with grub (I expected that as I was blind)
[11:03] <blue-frog> I have no grub folder in the boot folder, can I install grub from the livecd?
[11:06] <blue-frog> oh found a an howto on wiki, trying that
[11:30] <blue-frog> hi ogra have identified where my installs falls apart on a vaio laptop, it's atthe xserver resolution configuration. The install goes on but I have to do it blind, and as I have multiple OS on the laptop at some point it must be asking me to configure grub and this where I fail (doing it blind..) I loaded a livdecd to try to install grub correctly but am having a hard time with it now
[11:42] <blue-frog> please I have edubuntu dvd, at boot time how do I enter rescue mode from the dvd?
[11:52] <cbx33> thanks all on the minutes feedback
[11:52] <blue-frog> folks where has the prompt gone when you boot on the install cd?
[12:00] <blue-frog> Pls anyone, I have no prompt at boot time with install cd, only the diffrent choices from menu, is that normal, am i missing something, must I use F6 to enter rescue mode?
[12:00] <cbx33> blue-frog: that is normal
[12:01] <blue-frog> yes but then how do we enter rescue mode from install cd pls?
[12:01] <cbx33> I don;t know :S - never had to do it
[12:01] <blue-frog> should be a choice in the menu fro rescue mode then, don't you think?
[12:02] <blue-frog> or get rid of the rescue mention in the help menu
[12:03] <blue-frog> I 'd prefer a rescue mode choice as it could help me setup grub on my vaio laptop
[12:04] <ogra> you said you have the dvd, there should be a possibility to use the live image, there you have the rescue mode in the menu
[12:05] <blue-frog> ok so how do i do that pls, choose start or install edubuntu?
[12:06] <ogra> blue-frog, i havent tested the DVD yet, no idea 
[12:06] <blue-frog> rahh :(
[12:06] <ogra> but i know both isos are on there and there should be a menu at the start where you can select between live and install
[12:06] <blue-frog> for the black screen problem should I report it as a bug?
[12:07] <blue-frog> if i hit start or install edubuntu or if i hit install a workstation it starts the install/live direct.. no prompt at anytime
[12:07] <blue-frog> thought about the F6 key and added rescue at then end but with no luck
[12:09] <ogra> blue-frog, indeed, thats a bug, but check if it doesnt ecist yet, sony is a big brand id imagine someone had this prob before you
[12:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: good morning :)
[12:10] <ogra> heya
[12:12] <blue-frog> ogra found the rescue system choice on the edubuntu cd, but this menu is missing in the dvd
[12:13] <blue-frog> dvd iso rsync as per yesterday night
[12:13] <blue-frog> *off to lunch*
[12:53] <jsgotangco> ogra: you think a test on the latest rsync is proper?
[12:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, the *latest* rsync i.e. the iso from 10 min ago should be our RC
[01:00] <jsgotangco> cool its grabbing now
[01:00] <jsgotangco> this shold be fun
[01:00] <ogra> dont grab live yet
[01:00] <ogra> still building
[01:00] <jsgotangco> i just grab install always
[01:08] <cbx33> jsgotangco: heheh
[01:25] <pips1> btw, tested live cd i386 (25/05/2006 build) ok :)
[01:25] <ogra> yay
[01:31] <ogra> meh
[01:32] <pips1> dapper works really great on my shiny new thinkpad: Highlights include working external monitor, hardware volume switch, Touchpad - Scroll down side, Function keys... :-D
[01:32] <ogra> we're supposed to use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current to log our findings, i'll transfer the data we already have, please log the status there (at the bottom is an edubuntu table)
[01:32] <pips1> oh, right, ok
[01:33] <cbx33> are you taransfering my data across
[01:33] <cbx33> or are we starting testing all over again?
[01:33] <ogra> oh, i'm not even allowed
[01:34] <jsgotangco> cbx33: this is the last 50 yards :)
[01:34] <ogra> this counts only for the current build ... fun 
[01:34] <ogra> so no transfer... 
[01:34] <ogra> lets start from scratch :/
[01:34] <cbx33> or do you have other volunteers
[01:34] <ogra> every testing is appreciated :)
[01:35] <jsgotangco> cbx33: its everyone's ballgame now
[01:35] <cbx33> but you're not in such a deep hole as last time?
[01:36] <ogra> no :)
[01:37] <cbx33> ok great, I can probably test some tonight
[01:37] <cbx33> but work is getting to me at the moment
[01:38] <pips1> ogra, aren't you going to get access to that page, then?
[01:38] <ogra> tonight is to late ... we'll release RC today ... 
[01:38] <ogra> pips1, sure we all get access, we're just not allowed to use old data ... it *must* be for this exact build
[01:38] <pips1> ah, ok
[01:38] <ogra> livecds are ready as well
[01:39] <jsgotangco> weee bases loaded
[01:39] <cbx33> are we going into 20060525 ?
[01:39] <pips1> on that testing page it says Current Test CD
[01:39] <pips1> 
[01:39] <pips1> 20060524 
[01:40] <pips1> oops
[01:40] <ogra> iwj is just fixing that page
[01:40] <cbx33> so it is 25?
[01:40] <ogra> but right, it should be 25
[01:40] <pips1> so we can use rsync, right?
[01:40] <cbx33> lucky you
[01:40] <jsgotangco> yes
[01:40] <pips1> ok
[01:42] <ogra> nice, only 6mins for syncing each install CD :)
[01:42] <pips1> ogra, on our old testing page it says you *did* test lots of 20060525 builds, so you surely can enter those, no?
[01:42] <ogra> nope
[01:42] <jsgotangco> nope
[01:42] <ogra> i tested them *on* 25th :)
[01:42] <jsgotangco> thats an earlier build
[01:42] <pips1> ah
[01:42] <jsgotangco> mine too
[01:42] <ogra> the build we test is still warm :)
[01:43] <pips1> ok, i see
[01:43] <ogra> (its less than 30min old)
[01:43] <pips1> I must be don't something wrong with rsync :-( dapper-install-amd64.iso
[01:43] <pips1>    128179693  17%   72.82kB/s    2:15:38
[01:43] <ogra> wait a moment ... that will go down 
[01:44] <pips1> aha
[01:44] <jsgotangco> grr burning cd-r is so slow
[01:44] <pips1> oh, no
[01:44] <cbx33> yeh
[01:44] <jsgotangco> i have a bunch of cd-rw here though
[01:45] <jsgotangco> but i have to burn them much slower
[01:45] <pips1> ick, they're more expensive too
[01:45] <jsgotangco> but they're good for at least 100 rewrite cycles heh
[01:45] <spacey> time to go to the office
[01:45] <spacey> bbl
[01:45] <pips1> yeah, that's right
[01:46] <cbx33> ogra: am I seeing this right
[01:46] <cbx33> daily current openoffice is not installable in the report
[01:46] <ogra> looks like the rsync server has a problem
[01:47] <ogra> cbx33, nope, these are transitional oo.o2 packages
[01:47] <ogra> nothing to worry about+
[01:47] <cbx33> ok
[01:47] <ogra> they are only for upgrades
[01:47] <cbx33> sorry, just checking
[01:47] <ogra> no, thanks for the heads up :)
[01:47] <cbx33> :p
[01:48] <highvoltage> hey pips1 and cbx33 
[01:48] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[01:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'd wait for the rsync server to be fixed ;)
[01:48] <cbx33> jsgotangco: I can;t test DVD so would be good
[01:49] <ogra> also cat together the live and install iso before rsyncing a dvd, it saves a lot
[01:49] <jsgotangco> ahh i didnt know it was possible
[01:49] <pips1> highvoltage, hi
[01:50] <highvoltage> pips1: what's up?
[01:50] <pips1> busy testing cds just now, otherwise not much :)
[01:51] <cbx33> and working
[01:51] <pips1> ogra, yeah that rsync is acting up wierd
[01:51] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation manual partition is now installing
[01:51] <cbx33> nice jsgotangco 
[01:52] <highvoltage> i'm actually taking a lunch break, which is quite enjoyable :)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> boo
[01:52] <pips1> hehe
[01:52] <cbx33> w00t highvoltage 
[01:52] <cbx33> i always work
[01:52] <ogra> break ? 
[01:52] <pips1> yeah, eating properly is important
[01:52] <ogra> whats that ? 
[01:52] <pips1> omg
[01:52] <cbx33> i eat all day
[01:53] <cbx33> :D
[01:53] <highvoltage> i just couldn't get myself to concentrate on a long document, so i'm just going to relax for 10 minutes, and then get back to it. people say that it would work.
[01:53] <cbx33> nice
[01:53] <cbx33> highvoltage: it does
[01:53] <cbx33> if you get the chance
[01:53] <cbx33> thanks for fixing those file permissions
[01:54] <cbx33> highvoltage: how did you want to handle meeting minutes being posted on the website?
[01:54] <jsgotangco> poor sflaw he's already awake at this time
[01:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, s/already/still/
[01:54] <pips1> highvoltage, cbx33 what did you do to get the template engine sorted?
[01:54] <jsgotangco> gahh
[01:54] <cbx33> highvoltage: did it
[01:54] <cbx33> :p
[01:55] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you think that should be better on the wiki instead?
[01:55] <ogra> he's the QA guy these two last weeks are the most important for him
[01:55] <cbx33> yes, just link through on the drupal site?
[01:55] <highvoltage> pips1: hehe. it turns out, that there was nothing wrong with the theme engine
[01:55] <highvoltage> pips1: even though everything (and everyone) pointed there
[01:55] <pips1> oh?
[01:56] <highvoltage> pips1: it turns out, the theme has some specific settings about blocks that go to the right, and that we just needed to change it
[01:56] <highvoltage> pips1: what *is* weird though, is that it didn't happen on my or cbx's local installations, just on the edubuntu server
[01:56] <pips1> hmm, strange. 
[01:56] <highvoltage> must be tough to join as QA guy about a month before release
[01:57] <ogra> yep
[01:57] <ogra> and his target is to get *all* fields filled on the testing page :)
[01:57] <ogra> for all flavors
[01:57] <highvoltage> good target :)
[01:57] <pips1> the layout breaks on pages with big images in the centre... e.g. http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[01:58] <highvoltage> pips1: i noticed this afternoon, i'll have to resize those images just slightly
[01:58] <pips1> right
[01:59] <highvoltage> at least that's quick and easy :)
[01:59] <highvoltage> (oh no! i said quick and easy! that means it's going to be long and nasty!)
[01:59] <jsgotangco> does he have a sparc at home???
[01:59] <highvoltage> brb
[02:01] <ogra> jsgotangco, sfllaw ?
[02:01] <ogra> no idea
[02:03] <cbx33> why the hell is the live cd downloading quicker than the other
[02:06] <pips1> the list of confirmed major bugs in launchpad is still rather scary
[02:06] <pips1> :-/
[02:09] <cbx33> which types of installation still need to be done?
[02:09] <ogra> all
[02:09] <cbx33> ok
[02:09] <ogra> all arches all installs 
[02:09] <ogra> (server is gone from the menu)
[02:09] <ogra> and we dont nedd OEM or netboot testing
[02:10] <ogra> i'll fix the table accordingly ...
[02:10] <cbx33> ok
[02:10] <cbx33> I'm testing live cd install
[02:11] <pips1> 'Desktop CD' stands for 'Live CD', right?
[02:11] <cbx33> yes
[02:12] <pips1> and similarily, 'Alternate CD' means 'Install CD'...
[02:12] <pips1> ?
[02:13] <pips1> ah, yes
[02:13] <cbx33> yes
[02:13] <ogra> pips1, fixed
[02:13] <jsgotangco> amd64 workstation manual partition DONE
[02:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, :P youre ahead of me ... diong the same here
[02:15] <jsgotangco> should i put my result then?
[02:15] <ogra> yeah !
[02:18] <jsgotangco> ok im done on tsting for now
[02:18] <jsgotangco> time for me to rest
[02:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, thanks
[02:19] <pips1> jsgotangco, have a good rest
[02:30] <pips1> ogra, how does it work with the universe repository? can packages be added for a release, during the release? or is universe "freezed" also?
[02:31] <ogra> universe has the same freeze dates, but a way more loosely handling of them 
[02:31] <pips1> ic
[02:31] <ogra> and its frozen on release day 
[02:32] <ogra> so nothing can be added after release unless you use the backports repo or someone decides something is important enough to go in -updates
[02:32] <ogra> development and adding of packages only happens in the development distro
[02:33] <pips1> hmm, there is this particular zope package I'm interested in... the latest from upstream is in the repos, but many of its dependency packages are missing...
[02:36] <pips1> what is the packaging "philosophy" in this case? is that package considered to be broken? 
[02:36] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm moving the mockup wiki page to the real page, mkay?
[02:36] <cbx33> ogra just a quickie, in python.....resp = dialog.run()   what if the dialog box has Yes or no, what is returned?
[02:36] <cbx33> highvoltage: ok, but there is a link you need to change
[02:36] <cbx33> the meetingrecords link
[02:37] <cbx33> feel free to move it and I'll edit it in a sec
[02:37] <cbx33> if your happy with it
[02:37] <ogra> cbx33, dunno from the top of my head, just add a print resp ;)
[02:37] <cbx33> ok
[02:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, just a sec
[02:37] <cbx33> thanks
[02:38] <cbx33> ok got it
[02:38] <cbx33> -9 and -8
[02:38] <cbx33> :D it works
[02:38] <cbx33> IT'S ALIVE
[02:38] <pips1> hehe
[02:40] <pips1> i can see the crazed face of gene wilder in my mind :-)
[02:40] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, edit!
[02:42] <cbx33> link ?
[02:42] <cbx33> i've forgotten the page name :p
[02:42] <cbx33> oh nevermind
[02:43] <cbx33> it's on eduvbuntu.org
[02:43] <pips1> cbx33, have you seen mel brooks' "frankenstein junior"?
[02:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[02:43] <cbx33> highvoltage: did you take the images across?
[02:44] <cbx33> they seem to be missing
[02:44] <cbx33> sdid you move the page, or copy and paste?
[02:45] <cbx33> yikes, /me notices he's on the list for the wiki
[02:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: the cdimage.png file? yes, i did.
[02:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: ag, yes, i did copy and paste :/
[02:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: sorry
[02:46] <pips1> cbx33, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki is complete with images, i.e. works for me
[02:46] <highvoltage> ah i see the missing images on the right... missed that
[02:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you have local copies left?
[02:46] <cbx33> :p np
[02:47] <cbx33> pips1: ther eare some missing images
[02:47] <pips1> oops, that's right
[02:47] <cbx33> on hte right
[02:47] <pips1> -/
[02:48] <cbx33> i was so proud of that heheheh
[02:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: i noticed ;)
[02:48] <cbx33> little things eh.... :p
[02:48] <highvoltage> yep
[02:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: so, you still have local copies of those images?
[02:48] <cbx33> hmm.....
[02:48] <pips1> highvoltage, nasty, "promoting" cbx33 just like that ;-)
[02:49] <cbx33> hehe
[02:49] <highvoltage> pips1: promoting?
[02:49] <pips1>  EdubuntuWiki
[02:49] <pips1> 
[02:49] <pips1> PeteSavage 
[02:49] <pips1> :-D
[02:50] <highvoltage> pips1: he did it himself, ie: he's been very busy on it
[02:51] <highvoltage> he's probably done more work on Edubuntu wiki pages than anyone else in the last 3 months
[02:51] <cbx33> :p
[02:51] <pips1> ah, I thought you did that and was reacting to his comment "cbx33 yikes, /me notices he's on the list for the wiki"
[02:51] <highvoltage> ah :)
[02:52] <highvoltage> Burgwork: did you put the contents into https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEdutainmen ?
[02:52] <highvoltage> Burgwork: did you perhaps mean to put it into https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuEdutainment ?
[02:53] <cbx33> heheh
[02:53] <highvoltage> lol
[02:53] <ogra> or would that be Edutainwimen ? 
[02:53] <highvoltage> ogra: almost there
[02:53] <pips1> lol
[02:54] <cbx33> ogra: I'm having very bad luck installing it on my normally VERY fast VMware machine
[02:54] <ogra> can you switch off the frambuffer somehow ? 
[02:55] <ogra> i heard about that, seems to be graphics related
[02:55] <cbx33> hmm.....can i do that on edubuntu boot?
[02:55] <ogra> it shall also go faster if you run vmware fullscreen i heard
[02:55] <cbx33> yes
[02:56] <cbx33> i did actually post to that mail 
[02:57] <cbx33> but it was from an alternative email address that wasn't on the ML
[02:57] <ogra> ah
[02:58] <cbx33> so it didnt get through
[02:58] <cbx33> it's actually unusable
[02:58] <cbx33> i can't install at all
[02:58] <cbx33> now 2 things have changed since then
[02:59] <cbx33> I upgraded to dapper
[02:59] <cbx33> and the new release came out
[02:59] <cbx33> pips1: hehehe
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra: do you know what this is about? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuUserManagement?highlight=%28Edubuntu%29
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still need that page, or can we delete it?
[03:03] <ogra> highvoltage, thats an obsolete spec from montreal we dropped ... feel free to delete that page
[03:03] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'll try to do some wiki cleanup tonight
[03:03] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiCleanup
[03:03] <cbx33> did you wanna work through that with me?
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, great. i'm doing some now to. i can't get myself to do work work right now so i'm doing edubuntu work now and work work tonight :)
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: sure, i'll do it now
[03:04] <cbx33> ok let's 
[03:04] <cbx33> go
[03:04] <cbx33> the first 4
[03:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: i've already deleted quite a few pages ;)
[03:04] <cbx33> are you happy they are covered by ESA?
[03:04] <cbx33> cool
[03:05] <highvoltage> no
[03:06] <highvoltage> you're refering to the first 4 links in EdubuntuWikiCleanup, right?
[03:06] <cbx33> ok,
[03:06] <cbx33> can we condense
[03:06] <cbx33> into just one page?
[03:06] <highvoltage> yes, that would be great
[03:06] <highvoltage> what do you propose the page should be called?
[03:06] <cbx33> ok, I'm thinking should we just delete them all, seeing as they are probably OOD now
[03:07] <highvoltage> it is kind of obsolete, but useful for historical reasons
[03:07] <highvoltage> yeah, they are
[03:07] <cbx33> EdubuntuInstalledApplications
[03:07] <highvoltage> good choice, i think it's best to merge them all first, and then edit it down
[03:07] <cbx33> ok
[03:07] <cbx33> want me to do that
[03:07] <cbx33> I can just copy paste all pages into one?
[03:08] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, that sounds good
[03:08] <cbx33> ok I'll do that now
[03:09] <highvoltage> ogra: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuAutomaticLoadBalancing should be a spec in Launchpad instead, right?
[03:10] <ogra> highvoltage, drop it, its empty
[03:11] <ogra> if we ever get to clustering or round robin setups for ltsp it can get a new spec
[03:11] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[03:11] <highvoltage> noted
[03:11] <cbx33> highvoltage: done
[03:11] <lucasvo> bzr is cool
[03:11] <lucasvo> http://viewbzr.vincisolutions.org/mercury?cmd=changelog;rev=
[03:11] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstalledApplications
[03:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: did you delete the old pages?
[03:12] <cbx33> not yet
[03:12] <highvoltage> ok
[03:12] <cbx33> if I do I'll have to check for links
[03:12] <cbx33> I'll make a note on wikickllean up that they are going to be deleted
[03:12] <highvoltage> oh no. windowmaker is so awful: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWindowMaker
[03:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok
[03:13] <ogra> highvoltage, to tell this to mhz
[03:13] <ogra> s/to/dont/
[03:14] <cbx33> you're lucky he's not here
[03:15] <lucasvo> xfce is much better!
[03:15] <highvoltage> absolutely
[03:16] <ogra> no need for that, read the page :)
[03:17] <cbx33> highvoltage: TeachersPet ?
[03:18] <ogra> mark that as spec please
[03:18] <cbx33> ogra: livecd is unusable on VMware :S
[03:18] <cbx33> ok
[03:18] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'm suggesting a specs link on the edubuntuwiki page
[03:18] <ogra> there should also be a note that s-c-p is there as an initial implementation to be extended
[03:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: how so? it's easily searchable in launchpad
[03:19] <ogra> (i dont mean a LP spec, just that people know its only a brainstorming page)
[03:19] <cbx33> no
[03:19] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think we can have a launchpad spec link from the www instead
[03:19] <cbx33> but any that we come across can then be link to that page
[03:19] <highvoltage> ah, ok
[03:20] <highvoltage> geez, i don't know what to do about teacherspet. shall we come back to that later?
[03:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: the WorkstationDefinitions, i agree with you there, we can move it to a Glossary page in Drupal
[03:20] <ogra> highvoltage, see above ... add a sentence at the top like: this is the page where we collect ideas on how to enhance our student-control-panel
[03:21] <ogra> and keep it as it is 
[03:21] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[03:21] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/TeachingTools
[03:22] <ogra> isnt that one from hedgemage ? 
[03:22] <cbx33> elkner
[03:22] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, did it
[03:23] <ogra> cbx33, thats crap, but if you delete it, you'll have fun with elkner
[03:23] <cbx33> ogra: i know
[03:23] <highvoltage> ogra: i just changed ideas to 'ideas and enhancements'
[03:23] <ogra> additionally its pre breezy
[03:24] <ogra> highvoltage, fine 
[03:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think we'll have to mark some pages as 'talk to person x about this page'
[03:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: so that we can deal with a page without intruding or hurting someone's work
[03:24] <cbx33> yeh
[03:24] <cbx33> i agree
[03:25] <cbx33> highvoltage: you still editing that page?
[03:25] <highvoltage> /Edubuntu that links to /EdubuntuWiki, we need to keep that, since /Edubuntu was the original Edubuntu page on the Ubuntu Wiki, before the two got merged. I've seen some sites hardlink to it, so we need to keep it there
[03:25] <highvoltage> cbx33: nope
[03:26] <cbx33> ok
[03:26] <cbx33> I'll edit now
[03:27] <cbx33> done
[03:27] <cbx33> brb
[03:42] <cbx33> now where were we?
[03:43] <highvoltage> deleting more pages...
[03:43] <cbx33> nice from the wikicleanup page?
[03:43] <highvoltage> from there too, i deleted some other old pages too, like empty theme pages
[03:43] <cbx33> I'm thinking we should keep that page for a while and add on there pages we delete
[03:44] <cbx33> highvoltage: are you checking for links
[03:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: for sensitive pages, yes. i mean, there are some pages that you know someone won't link to
[03:44] <highvoltage> brb too...
[03:44] <cbx33> suew
[03:44] <cbx33> sure
[03:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: i took Edubuntu out of that page, we're not going to do anything with it anyway
[03:46] <highvoltage> cbx33: i was going to take things out as we go along, but i see what you mean by listing it there first, so that we keep a temporary record?
[03:46] <cbx33> yes
[03:46] <cbx33> i think it would be a good idea
[03:46] <cbx33> along with a reason why it was deleted
[03:48] <pips1> installCD, erase disk, amd64 PASS
[03:48] <jsgotangco> awesome
[03:51] <ogra> yay
[03:57] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still need this page? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData
[03:58] <ogra> 7me doesnt even know what that is ...
[03:58] <cbx33> highvoltage: looks cooky?
[03:58] <ogra> lol
[03:58] <ogra> wikipwdia ~150MB
[03:58] <ogra> hahaha
[03:59] <ogra> what were we dreaming :)
[03:59] <cbx33> indeed
[03:59] <highvoltage> hehe
[03:59] <cbx33> my guess redundant now
[03:59] <ogra> highvoltage, i think you can either keep it as a suggestion collection or just wipe it ...
[03:59] <highvoltage> ogra: i told everyone at the summit that it's *not* that small :)
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i think i'm going to mark it as something we need to look at again, i have a 200MB wikipedia collection that's very nice, that we're going to use in tuxlabs
[04:00] <cbx33> highvoltage: nice
[04:00] <ogra> i mean, its clear we'll never have that much space, but probably people want to package stuff for add on CDs so thats a good collection of suggestions what to use for that
[04:00] <cbx33> maybe like an add on disk
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: we could possibly add that to a second cd, assuming we'll have space (and assuming we'll have a second cd)
[04:00] <highvoltage> ogra: it could certainly be in universe some day, right?
[04:01] <cbx33> highvoltage: i think that's an excellent idea
[04:02] <ogra> highvoltage, yeps
[04:03] <highvoltage> great!
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: do you think it's likely that there will ever be a gui tool for the chroot dist-upgrade?
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: (sorry for these feature request questions so close to release, btw)
[04:06] <pips1_> ogra, following your LTSPClientKEymap tutorial, I entered gksudo "gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf" and got (gedit:10271): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[04:06] <pips1_> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified  are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[04:06] <pips1_> ** (gedit:10271): WARNING **: Hit unhandled case 1 (File not found) in gedit_unr ecoverable_saving_error_message_area_new. Do I need to 'touch' the file "lts.conf" first for that to work, or smth? 
[04:09] <pips1_> I'm now "stuck" in gksudo... need to kill it off...
[04:13] <JaneW> whew, finally got the SoC mails out
[04:13] <JaneW> that was a marathon
[04:13] <JaneW> cbx33: http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/ ;)
[04:14] <pips1_> sorry for the noise, ignore my last question :-)
[04:16] <highvoltage> JaneW: do i assume correctly that this was never released? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuPressRelease
[04:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: can we delete it?
[04:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes I think it can be deleted
[04:20] <jsgotangco> Edubuntu amd64 Install CD auto-resize PASS
[04:21] <pips1> nice
[04:23] <cbx33> eheheh JaneW :)
[04:23] <cbx33> that rawks
[04:24] <JaneW> cbx33: I just showed ani-ME gto my son and said 'who is that?' and he immediately said 'You' *beame*
[04:24] <JaneW> then he saw the homies and mentioned that it was similar, and I said the same person made them, and so he said 'oh so they decided to put your face on it'
[04:24] <highvoltage> :)
[04:24] <highvoltage> lol!
[04:25] <cbx33> hehehe
[04:25] <cbx33> that's cute
[04:25] <JaneW> so there you have it, there must be some (facial - at least) resemblance
[04:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: your face on another woman's body ;)
[04:25] <highvoltage> *ducks
[04:25] <cbx33> highvoltage: I'd do more than duck
[04:26] <JaneW> cbx33: please thank her for me, I am very flattered, impressed and grateful.
[04:26] <cbx33> this is action adventurer JaneW we're talking about
[04:26] <cbx33> np
[04:27] <highvoltage> ogra: do we still want this page? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuOneDotZeroRoadmap
[04:27] <JaneW> cbx33: yeah well highvoltage has seen me tuck into food, drink and cake etc, so he harbours no illusions about me ;P
[04:27] <cbx33> isn't that linked to on the front wiki page highvoltage ?
[04:28] <highvoltage> hmmm.. it shouldn't be... 5.10 was released ages ago :)
[04:28] <cbx33> oh yeh, but i mean we need to remove it if it is
[04:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think you're thinking of DapperReleaseSchedule
[04:29] <cbx33> possibly
[04:29] <cbx33> ahh...no i was thinking about the events section
[04:30] <jsgotangco> pffttt
[04:30] <cbx33> sup jsgotangco 
[04:30] <jsgotangco> working not like you slackers, chatting on irc
[04:31] <cbx33> I'm working I'll have you know :p
[04:31] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:31] <cbx33> worked my little ass off today :p
[04:31] <highvoltage> dejavu :)
[04:42] <pips1> hey jinty 
[04:45] <cbx33> highvoltage: howz it going
[04:45] <cbx33> I'm back now for a while
[04:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: good
[04:51] <highvoltage> hehe. this is sweet
[04:51] <highvoltage> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuBelowZero/EdubuntuTalk?highlight=%28Edubuntu%29
[04:51] <highvoltage> """Oliver ogra Grawert
[04:51] <highvoltage> He works with Jane W to make edubuntu. """
[04:53] <cbx33> hehehe
[04:53] <jsgotangco> cleaning up namespaces?
[04:53] <cbx33> jsgotangco: cleaning up wiki full stop
[04:54] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep, and old obsolete pages. there are *many* of them
[04:54] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:54] <jsgotangco> for some reason i have very little interest of wikis
[04:54] <cbx33> I'm afraid I may not have much time tonight
[04:54] <cbx33> I have to do some flash animation
[04:55] <cbx33> yuk !!!
[04:55] <jsgotangco> i like flirting with such sometimes
[04:55] <cbx33> flirting with flash
[04:55] <cbx33> that's a good title fo a book
[04:55] <cbx33> but not to be confused with
[04:55] <cbx33> flirting with flashing
[04:55] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:55] <cbx33> that can get you in trouble
[04:56] <cbx33> not that I'd know about such things
[04:56] <pips1> pffft
[04:56] <highvoltage> JaneW: can we delete https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuShippingPlans ?
[04:56] <jsgotangco> cbx33: do you watch the premiereship?
[04:56] <cbx33> jsgotangco: not really
[04:56] <cbx33> I'm aware of it's existance
[04:56] <cbx33> and no it was not me streaking on there :p
[04:56] <jsgotangco> ok i was hoping to see you edubuntu streak there sometime
[04:56] <jsgotangco> oh well
[04:57] <cbx33> hehe
[04:57] <cbx33> tell you what, boy would that get ubuntu a lot of media coverage
[04:57] <cbx33> we should get someone to make some edubuntu crop circles :p
[04:57] <cbx33> bye hi
[04:57] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:58] <pips1> highvoltage: there he went in a flash!
[04:58] <cbx33> pips1: :p
[05:02] <pips1>  339740348  47%    1.70MB/s    0:03:32
[05:02] <pips1>  <-- If that were only true...
[05:11] <cbx33> ogra: i386 has crashed installing on my VMware machine
[05:11] <cbx33> configuring python2.4-zopeinterface
[05:11] <cbx33> 60%
[05:11] <cbx33> it's just sitting there
[05:12] <cbx33> i can still activater a console
[05:13] <cbx33> anything you want me to try
[05:13] <cbx33> bearing in mind my vmware installs worked fine the other day
[05:14] <pips1> ogra, FYI I found out what country code i need to use for the clients for swiss-german keyboard. It's 'ch' (not 'de_CH')!
[05:15] <cbx33> pips1: :D
[05:16] <cbx33> I'm gonna have to packup soon ogra, I'll try to suspend my VM
[05:17] <cbx33> so we can investigate later if you want to
[05:19] <pips1> I need to go now too ...
[05:19] <pips1> it's a shame that powerpc live cd hasn't finished downloading yet.
[05:19] <pips1> i'll need to test that later this evening
[05:23] <pips1> observation: the log out screen takes aaages to appear :-(
[05:23] <pips1> both on server itself and on thin clients...
[05:55] <mhz> !seen highvoltage
[05:55] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 1h 4m 20s ago, saying: 'He works with Jane W to make edubuntu. """'.
[06:21] <blue-frog> I installed edubuntu from the cd install in vmware >> no problem. works fine
[06:40] <mhz> blue-frog: good news
[06:41] <blue-frog> if i install edubuntu on my laptop using the livecd install then do apt-get edubuntu server, the final result will be exactly the same than installing from edubuntu install cd?
[06:44] <mhz> blue-frog: yup
[06:44] <mhz> apt-get install edubuntu-server
[06:44] <blue-frog> yes yes
[06:45] <mhz> apt-get install edubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <blue-frog> *lazy on keyboard...*
[06:45] <mhz> and finally, ltsp-build-client
[06:45] <mhz> then you should have same results
[06:45] <blue-frog> desktop no need as am using edu livecd
[06:45] <mhz> oh, yes
[06:45] <mhz> sorry
[06:45] <mhz> that was kind of an automated response :)
[06:46] <mhz> blue-frog: I also tried netbooting and then the aforementioned procedure
[06:46] <blue-frog> I could try to wipe my entire HDD so that I can let the install finish blind but I don't want to reinstall freaking windows I use for my tests of miexd networks
[06:47] <mhz> of course, that gave a ubuntu server netboot install only because Edubuntu does not have a netboot image
[06:49] <blue-frog> I have a problem with edu/ubuntu install on my sony. I have a black screen at the xserver resolution config, then the install goes on alright but as I have windows am messing up the grub install (as I do it blind). tried to install grub from rescue mode afterwrds following wiki but with no luck
[06:49] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:51] <Laser_away> my goodness, this can is way to active :-)
[06:51] <Laser_away> it takes forever for me to read the backlog
[06:51] <jsgotangco> ?
[06:51] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:52] <blue-frog> wow think I made it finishing the install blind :)
[06:52] <blue-frog> rebooting...
[06:53] <blue-frog> yes yes yes yes yes
[06:53] <Laser_away> opps sorry, I should watch what I'm typing better. s/can/channel/
[06:54] <blue-frog> Laser_away, *should watch what he is drinking :) *
[06:54] <blue-frog> *in his can*
[06:54] <Laser_away> lol
[06:54] <blue-frog> got a ubuntu question
[06:55] <blue-frog> the install asked me for a password but not for a user account name, is that a trick to confuse the ennemy?
[06:55] <blue-frog> which leaves me at login scrren without a user name to write in
[06:55] <Laser_away> which install?
[06:55] <blue-frog> ubuntu cd install
[06:56] <blue-frog> was surprised to jump directly to password during install that I did a go back
[06:56] <blue-frog> but then jumped again to password so i thought oh well there must be a default user name
[06:57] <blue-frog> such as admin or ubuntu, but apparently not
[06:58] <blue-frog> gonna go in recovery mode to have a look
[06:58] <blue-frog> and will reinstall for the 10th time today to see if it happens again..
[06:59] <blue-frog> *is getting very good at blind install on its laptop
[06:59] <blue-frog> his*
[07:00] <blue-frog> oh yeah got it cho0se the oem install
[07:00] <blue-frog> so iwas right assuming there was a default user name created... oem
[07:22] <ogra> blue-frog, can you add your installation results to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current ?
[07:22] <ogra> btw, installing edubuntu-server doesnt give you the same as an edubuntu insallation, you have to set up all of ltsp manually
[07:36] <blue-frog> rah.. well am trying (yet) another blind install of edubuntu, hopefully will succed at some poinmt :)
[07:39] <highvoltage> booya!
[07:42] <Burgwork> highvoltage, hmm?
[07:42] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[07:42] <cbx33> hi Burgwork 
[07:42] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[07:42] <highvoltage> Burgwork: just a loud expression of hello. i don't know where it comes from though :)
[07:42] <pygi> hey cbx33 
[07:42] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[07:42] <Burgwork> salut cbx33 
[07:45] <cbx33> anyone know of an opensource sound effect library
[07:50] <cbx33> LaserJock, 
[07:50] <cbx33> w00t
[07:50] <blue-frog> to be sure cause I have a doubt now, on the edubuntu install cd, when I choose install workstation, it's installing an edubuntu server?
[07:50] <cbx33> i fixed the python problem
[07:50] <cbx33> and i have made an update
[07:51] <ogra> blue-frog, its installing what you chose ... a workstation ....
[07:51] <cbx33> ogra, did you see my message earlier about that VMware install that failed
[07:51] <ogra> (in opposition to a server, which is the default)
[07:51] <ogra> cbx33, yes
[07:51] <ogra> did anybody else any test installs ? 
[07:52] <blue-frog> I think am pretty much messed up with the cd's I have downloadded then
[07:55] <blue-frog> i have 7 choices on this dvd, amogst them are start or install edubuntu and install a workstation so if i choose first I install edu server or am i using a livecd?
[07:56] <blue-frog> booting a livecd... so i have the wrong dvd :(
[07:56] <ogra> as i said before, i havent seen the dvd at all, but i know both images are on the dvd
[07:56] <blue-frog> maybe but not in the boot menu then
[07:57] <blue-frog> no rescue mode menu either
[07:58] <blue-frog> so i guess that if I want to install edu server from the dvd I have I have to do F6 at boot and change the command line?
[08:01] <LaserJock> cbx33: get my email?
[08:03] <LaserJock> ogra: quick question, will installing ltsp-server on an Ubuntu install get me everything I need for to set up an edubuntu-like LTSP?
[08:04] <ogra> with ltsp-server you need an external dhcp server that needs to be properly configured
[08:05] <ogra> and you need to install openssh-server alonside, its only in recommends or suggests ...
[08:05] <ogra> for a completely standalone server use ltsp-server-stansalone (and openssh-server) 
[08:06] <ogra> after installing that package you run: sudo ltsp-build-client, edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match a static ip on the server, restart dhcpd and you are done
[08:06] <LaserJock> ok, so I have a DSL router that has dhcp, is that going to be a problem?
[08:06] <ogra> yep
[08:07] <ogra> unless you can adjust parameters for rootpath and the kernel in its dhcp server
[08:07] <LaserJock> :(
[08:07] <LaserJock> so much for my brilliant idea ;-)
[08:07] <ogra> just switch dhcp off
[08:07] <ogra> and use the edubuntu dhcp server :)
[08:08] <LaserJock> so the dhcp *has* to be coming from the edubuntu server?
[08:08] <ogra> no
[08:09] <ogra> but if your router doesnt support the necessary settings, then yes
[08:09] <LaserJock> ok
[08:09] <LaserJock> I was also trying to think of a way to do it at work too
[08:09] <ogra> but its quite trivial to set up
[08:10] <LaserJock> ok, at work all the computers have static IPs, can ltsp work with that?
[08:11] <ogra> nope
[08:11] <ogra> you need a dhcp server for PXE booting
[08:11] <blue-frog> ogra i need your help the cd /dvd/ images are giving me a hard time, i followed the link you gave https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current  then from there i clicked on DVD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/  then I try to rsync using rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso udj:/media/data/iso/ubuntu/dapper-dvd-i386.iso, as a result it gives me @ERROR: Unknown module 'dvd'
[08:11] <LaserJock> wonderful :/
[08:12] <blue-frog> i mean without the udj: of course..
[08:13] <ogra> try rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso
[08:13] <LaserJock> blue-frog: you want to test the Ubuntu DVD?
[08:14] <blue-frog> I want to rsync the dvd i have indeed as on the one i have I have either live eduubnut or install workstation, no other relevant choices
[08:14] <LaserJock> blue-frog: but you want Ubuntu or Edubuntu?
[08:14] <blue-frog>  edu
[08:14] <ogra> try rsync -az --progress rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso then
[08:14] <blue-frog> and later ubu
[08:15] <blue-frog> I just want to understand why I don't have the menus you are all talking about... :(
[08:15] <LaserJock> how has been talking about DVD menus? I didn't know anybody was using them
[08:16] <blue-frog> well you are talking about menus from the install cds, i expect to find them on the dvd as well...
[08:17] <blue-frog> *off to read a story to kid, brb*
[08:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, yes
[08:18] <cbx33> I got your email
[08:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, if you have a windows DHCP server at work you can use that
[08:19] <pips1> ogra, just tested the powerpc install cd on my imac (G5) and failed. Same failure as two days ago. Should I list that in the testing/current table?
[08:19] <ogra> pips1, yes please and file a bug
[08:20] <ogra> (note all relevant info about the HW and attach /var/log/installer/syslog to the bug)
[08:20] <LaserJock> cbx33: I have *no* dhcp server at work :-)
[08:20] <ogra> LaserJock, so nobody would use one if there were one, perfect ;)
[08:20] <cbx33> LaserJock, yeh what ogra said
[08:20] <cbx33> that's a good thing
[08:21] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:21] <cbx33> LaserJock, how are we gonna work that bazaar repo?
[08:21] <ogra> LaserJock, just do an edubuntu default install and everytime you switch the PCs to PXE boot, they'll be thin clients
[08:21] <ogra> if you switch them back they will just use their static IPs
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: yeah, maybe I'll just do that. The thing is I already have an Ubuntu install on the machine
[08:22] <pips1> ogra, i filed the bug here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/46138
[08:22] <LaserJock> so I was considering just adding the LTSP part onto my current Ubuntu install
[08:22] <ogra> then install ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server and do what i said above
[08:22] <ogra> pips1, thanks, please note it on the wiki
[08:22] <LaserJock> ogra: ok, thanks. I think I'll try it ;-)
[08:22] <pips1> ogra, I'll try to get /var/log/installer/syslog as well
[08:23] <ogra> pips1, thats only in the system after reboot, else its /var/log/syslog in the installer
[08:31] <pips1> ogra, I can't get a console :-(
[08:31] <ogra> alt-f2 doesnt help ? 
[08:31] <pips1> nope
[08:31] <ogra> :(
[08:31] <pips1> yeah
[08:32] <pips1> the ventilator is running but otherwise it seems pretty much frozen
[08:33] <pips1> I remember there are some instructions (wiki page) for system freezes... would that help? but I guess not much I can do without a console, right?
[08:33] <LaserJock> hmm, anybody know if iMacs PXE boot?
[08:33] <cbx33> LaserJock, no they don;t
[08:34] <cbx33> do they?
[08:34] <ogra> LaserJock, you need some magic in the dhcpd.conf for them ...
[08:34] <ogra> but they netboot by holding down N on boot
[08:34] <cbx33> :S
[08:34] <LaserJock> ok, well it probably wouldn't work anyway since it is an intel iMac
[08:35] <ogra> oh, no, that wont work yet
[08:35] <LaserJock> it would be reaaaly sweet to be able to do that though
[08:36] <pips1> what key is the 'SysRq' key that the DebuggingSystemCrash wiki page talks about?
[08:37] <cbx33> print screen normally
[08:37] <cbx33> pips1, 
[08:37] <highvoltage> ctrl+print screen
[08:37] <pips1> ah, cheers !
[08:37] <cbx33> highvoltage, is it ctrl+printscreen? 
[08:37] <cbx33> i never knew that
[08:37] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[08:38] <cbx33> so would that be Ctrl+Alt+PrintScreen+t
[08:38] <highvoltage> erm... sorry, now i'm not so sure myself :/
[08:39] <highvoltage> it might be plus the ctrl... i don't know. normally, just SysRq = ctrl+PrtSc
[08:39] <highvoltage> pips1: try both and let us know :)
[08:41] <blue-frog> *is back
[08:41] <pips1> erm... there isn't a 'PrtSc' key on the imac keyboard?!
[08:42] <pips1> any mac experts here?
[08:42] <cbx33> oh.....sorry thought you mean pc
[08:42] <pips1> no, it on my shiny new imac
[08:43] <pips1> my first mac since a looong time
[08:43] <LaserJock> nice, I've got a 2 month old iMac
[08:43] <LaserJock> my first mac
[08:43] <pips1> :-)
[08:43] <pips1> so LaserJock do you know what the equivalent key for SysRq or PrtSc would be?
[08:44] <LaserJock> I don't, I was just staring at my keyboard trying to figure it out
[08:45] <LaserJock> neato, I've just got the little booklet thing they ship with it
[08:46] <cbx33> awww...
[08:46] <cbx33> my rubs LaserJock
[08:46] <cbx33> 's hair
[08:46] <cbx33> he's a mac baby
[08:47] <LaserJock> hehe, I even figured out how to get glade and pygtk installed on it for you cbx33 
[08:48] <cbx33> awww. LaserJock you rock
[08:51] <pips1> nah
[08:51] <pips1> i'll have to google about this later, now I got to go
[08:52] <ogra> pips1, thanks for testing
[08:52] <pips1> ogra, I'll reference it in the testing/current anyway.
[08:52] <pips1> np
[08:52] <pips1> cu l8r!
[08:52] <ogra> ciao, and thanks again !
[08:54] <blue-frog> ogra any reason why I can't rsync cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/current/dapper-install-i386.iso? it gives me  connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver]   rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(434)
[08:54] <blue-frog> had same error using your rsyncer tool
[08:55] <blue-frog> ./rsyncer.sh --arch i386  only rsynced dapper-live-i386.iso
[08:55] <ogra> hmm, i'm currently rsyncing the dvd here
[08:55] <ogra> seems to go well
[08:55] <blue-frog> not dvd now :) just cd :)
[08:55] <ogra> dapper-dvd-amd64.iso
[08:55] <ogra>    899238625  26%  203.93kB/s    3:26:22
[08:55] <blue-frog> am currently rsync the dvd, so far so good
[08:55] <ogra> indeed i rsynced the CDs before
[08:56] <blue-frog> but i can't rsync cd but the live one
[08:57] <blue-frog> i try to rsync everything to try to get the same cds /dvds you are all using cause it seems that we are not speaking of the same cds /dvds :)
[08:59] <blue-frog> for example on this edu cd i rsync yesterday when I boot i have the following choices... install in text mode, install a workstation, check cd, rescue, mem,boot from hdd
[08:59] <blue-frog> so is install in text mode the edubuntu server install?
[08:59] <ogra> yep
[08:59] <ogra> yep
[08:59] <blue-frog> ahhhhh
[09:00] <ogra> the one you get if you simply hit enter on boot :)
[09:00] <blue-frog> yep but as opposed to install wrkstation right after it, took it for the nongraphical install so i didn't bother
[09:01] <blue-frog> is it on purpose?
[09:01] <blue-frog> not to write install edubuntu server
[09:01] <ogra> it wasnt changed by me, and was changed just recently, it used to say "install to the haddisk"
[09:02] <ogra> *harddisk
[09:02] <blue-frog> ok but why not install edubuntu server (just plain and simple?)
[09:02] <ogra> its because the ubuntu CD naming scheme changed
[09:02] <blue-frog> oh la lal la :)
[09:02] <ogra> the install CD (which is our default) is called alternate textmode install CD for ubuntu
[09:03] <ogra> so thats made quite prominent ... even in the menu ... semms we just inherited that wording
[09:03] <blue-frog> *is afraid that we will have soon a lot of people coming here saying that edubuntu server is not working as they will all install a workstation being scared by the "text mode stuff"
[09:04] <ogra> the CD cover text is pretty clear (if you hit enter ...blah)
[09:04] <blue-frog> when you get a cd from shipit yes... but when you download..
[09:04] <ogra> but i agree, we probably should revert it to "install to harddisk"
[09:06] <blue-frog> I dind't read the naming scheme cause i still don't get what problem underlies in naming it edubuntu server install, do you have a link for it pls?
[09:06] <blue-frog> i mean for the naming scheme thinggy
[09:07] <ogra> thats an ubuntu marketing thing ... the install CD isnt on shipit anymore, so the live CD was renamed to desktop CD 
[09:08] <ogra> and the former ubuntu install CD is now called alternate CD
[09:08] <blue-frog> just a question with no offence from my part but just sad curioisity, are marketing people testing the cds sometimes, meaning just booting them at least
[09:08] <ogra> since we send out the install and not the live CD via shipit for edubuntu, we kept the old scheme
[09:09] <ogra> blue-frog, the install in textmode is inherited automatically from ubuntu
[09:09] <blue-frog> yes yes I read what you are telling me
[09:09] <ogra> i wasnt aware of it before you told me and i cant change it now 
[09:09] <blue-frog> rah if only I didn't get demotivated for so long...
[09:10] <ogra> for ubuntu (which has no workstation mode) thats the right wording
[09:14] <blue-frog> could you have something on the download page stating this in big? saying to install edubuntu server they have to choose text mode?
[09:14] <blue-frog> cause I know that all downloaders will end with workstation in the end otherwise
[09:15] <ogra> nope, i'd rather fix the text
[09:15] <blue-frog> well if you can yes of coursee it's best
[09:15] <ogra> i just cant do it now
[09:15] <blue-frog> oh by now you rgiht now but not before final release?
[09:16] <blue-frog> you mean right now
[09:16] <blue-frog> i rephrase...
[09:16] <blue-frog> by now you mean you can't right now but will do for final release
[09:18] <ogra> i'll talk with Kamion (who has to make the actual change) but he's out for the evening now
[09:20] <blue-frog> *trying another blind install, hoping he will succeed on giving blindly the right answers for grub :) *
[09:26] <ogra> enter should suffice :)
[09:57] <cbx33> ogra, got time for a quick python question in pm?
[10:01] <Burgwork> Amaranth, really, having that much fun already?
[10:01] <Amaranth> heh
[10:01] <Burgwork> think a whole summer's worth of quality fun like this!
[10:02] <Amaranth> i'm thinking i'd get done faster doing the whole thing from scratch :P
[10:03] <Burgwork> heh. Here anything from the author?
[10:03] <Amaranth> nope
[10:03] <LaserJock> Amaranth: it's written in Python, right?
[10:03] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:04] <Burgwork> LaserJock, there is your project!
[10:04] <LaserJock> Burgwork: no thanks
[10:04] <LaserJock> I've got a little one going with cbx33
[10:04] <Burgwork> right
[10:04] <cbx33> heheh
[10:04] <LaserJock> we'll see how that goes
[10:05] <cbx33> heheh
[10:05] <LaserJock> I don't think trying out programming with a rewrite of willow would be wise for me
[10:05] <Burgwork> LaserJock, what little project?
[10:05] <LaserJock> cbx33: ^^ ?
[10:06] <cbx33> gISOMount
[10:06] <cbx33> you can guess pretty much most of it from the title :p
[10:07] <cbx33> but will be a good introduction
[10:07] <Burgwork> what is the use case?
[10:07] <cbx33> say you download an iso, or even have one stored onthe computer and you want to mount it....as a virtual CD
[10:08] <cbx33> yeh you can mount via command line
[10:08] <Burgwork> hmm
[10:08] <cbx33> but you could do it graphicall via gISOMount
[10:08] <Burgwork> are you going to make a hook in nautilus for this as well?
[10:08] <cbx33> i was hoping to
[10:08] <Burgwork> for me, that is the kind of thing that would be the most useful
[10:09] <Burgwork> in fact, if you can make nautilus simply understand them, that would be rocking
[10:09] <cbx33> well we'll work on it
[10:10] <LaserJock> I even have a case where a company distributed their proprietar driver as an .iso
[10:10] <cbx33> Burgwork, kinda like, right click an iso -> mount to... :p
[10:10] <cbx33> that'd be cool
[10:10] <bluefrog-10> at last after two days of typing blindly things I've succeeded installing edu server on my freaking vaio
[10:10] <cbx33> :D
[10:10] <cbx33> nice one bluefrog-10 
[10:11] <LaserJock> \o/
[10:11] <bluefrog-10> meaning if you have a problem of installing edu server with no screen and on pc with a windows system on it, just call me... :)
[10:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, looks like we could be onto something really useful
[10:12] <LaserJock> perhaps :-)
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> in the help toics (system >> help >> system doc) there is no links to the getting started page by jonathan carter?
[10:16] <bluefrog-10> so if someone if getting the cd and installing it without an internet connection he is dead in the water regarding the finetuning of dhcp?
[10:16] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, getting started isn;t in edubuntu docs
[10:17] <bluefrog-10> sad
[10:17] <cbx33> well as far as I know
[10:17] <crimsun> ogra: ping(unlikely?), if you have a few minutes to spare and are on dapper/ppc
[10:17] <ogra> erm
[10:17] <cbx33> ogra, am i right?
[10:18] <ogra> gettingstarted is the only content of edubuntu-docs currently
[10:18] <cbx33> oh
[10:18] <cbx33> sorry
[10:18] <cbx33> ogra, what was I creating then?
[10:18] <ogra> crimsun, i am on dapper ppc 
[10:18] <crimsun> ogra: is dmix working properly for you?
[10:18] <bluefrog-10> yes online but not accessible if no internet connction, am i correct?
[10:18] <ogra> crimsun, as far as i can tell yes
[10:18] <ogra> bluefrog-10, yes
[10:19] <ogra> bluefrog-10, it was a space problem
[10:19] <crimsun> ogra: ok, thanks
[10:20] <cbx33> so getting started isn't in the edubuntu-docs package is it?
[10:20] <ogra> crimsun, but i'm still running a -20 kernel on this ibook
[10:20] <ogra> cbx33, read abopve
[10:20] <crimsun> ogra: that's ok, I'm chasing an alsa-lib issue
[10:20] <ogra> thats outdated as werll
[10:20] <ogra> *well
[10:21] <crimsun> ogra: as long as it's 1.0.10-2ubuntuFoo, that's what matters
[10:21] <cbx33> ogra, sorry dude it must be late....I'm still confused
[10:21] <cbx33> but nevermind
[10:21] <cbx33> :p
[10:21] <ogra> but by the looks of it i have to also test ppc isos today (even i'm pretty exhausted after a night with 3h of sleep) so i can taest that later on a liveCD or testinstall
[10:23] <ogra> crimsun, 1.0.10-2ubuntu1 here
[10:26] <crimsun> ogra: that's fine. (It doesn't affect ppc but i386/ice17*, but the syntax for the format is what I'm concerned about)
[10:26] <ogra> ok
[10:28] <crimsun> (thanks again)
[10:37] <bluefrog-10> where all that happens during installation is logged pls, am filling in a bug report and I would like to see if I find a trace of my screen goes black somewhere?
[10:38] <ogra> in the installed system thats in /var/log/installer/syslog
[10:38] <bluefrog-10> k
[10:43] <bluefrog-10> do i have to be root to open /var/log/installer/syslog, using log viewer as admin user it tells me it's not a log file?
[10:45] <bluefrog-10> euh hang on the install created user can't sudo?
[10:47] <bluefrog-10> ah caps..
[10:47] <bluefrog-10> ok sudo cat makes the trick
[10:52] <ogra> sudo chmod a+r /var/log/installer/syslog
[10:52] <bluefrog-10> ok i have it...one more question
[10:53] <bluefrog-10> when filling in the bug what files do I attach only syslog or all the files in va/.../installer
[10:53] <ogra> syslog and keep the others in case kamion needs them
[10:53] <bluefrog-10> k
[10:54] <bluefrog-10> I made a search in dapper bugs apparently will be the first one to fill in bugs for sony vaio, 
[10:57] <bluefrog-10> oh no file management menu where you tell your puter that you want single click has disappeared as well :(
[10:59] <bluefrog-10> are gnome devs trying to erase all that makes user's life easier?
[11:00] <ogra> i have this here in my nautilus settings
[11:00] <ogra> in the behavior tab
[11:00] <bluefrog-10> ah nautilus settings ... looking for it ty
[11:01] <bluefrog-10> ok got it was looking for the "old" menu in system >pref
[11:02] <bluefrog-10> 20 minutes on dapper and I find it much faster than breezy... cool
[11:10] <cbx33> wish i could contact highvoltage
[11:10] <cbx33> i need to ask him where he got to on the edubuntu wiki thingajigy
[11:13] <bluefrog-10> cbx33, familiar with bug reporting?
[11:13] <cbx33> yes
[11:13] <bluefrog-10> am filling one..
[11:13] <bluefrog-10> have to click submit then edit it again to attach files?
[11:14] <cbx33> yes
[11:14] <bluefrog-10> ah :( ok ty
[11:15] <bluefrog-10> then how do I affect it to ubuntu AND edubuntu or i just leave it ubuntu as it is?
[11:16] <cbx33> what pacakge is it
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> no package (well to my knowledge) it's my black screen problem during install
[11:16] <ogra> always leave ubuntu ... there is no edubuntu in malone ...
[11:16] <bluefrog-10> ok
[11:16] <cbx33> ah, then it'll be the install pacakge....what's that called ogra 
[11:16] <ogra> if its a edubuntu specific package, assign it to edubuntu-bugs ...
[11:17] <ogra> debian-installer 
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> oh so i put debian installer o
[11:17] <bluefrog-10> ok
[11:18] <ogra> might be the kernel or X but d-i is a good start for such a bug ...
[11:19] <bluefrog-10> oh come on i get an error while trying to attach..
[11:19] <cbx33> ooooooh ESA is looking nice in drupal :D
[11:20] <bluefrog-10> ah title
[11:21] <LaserJock> cbx33: URL?
[11:22] <cbx33> LaserJock, unfortunately it's not published yet
[11:23] <LaserJock> doh
[11:23] <cbx33> highvoltage didn't want me to publish just yet
[11:26] <Burgwork> cbx33, is the long term plan for it to live in drupal?
[11:26] <cbx33> Burgwork, that's what we discussed
[11:26] <cbx33> isn;t it...drupal and scribus
[11:26] <Burgwork> yep
[11:27] <cbx33> phew
[11:32] <LaserJock> to bad the CDs are so overfilled, it would be fun to put more docs on the CD
[11:32] <ogra> we'll make space for them in edgy
[11:32] <cbx33> yeh
[11:36] <cbx33> ogra, there is a page highvoltage ported cross from moin
[11:36] <cbx33> it's still in moin format, which of course doesn't work in drupal
[11:36] <cbx33> think he'd mind if I formatted it up for him?
[11:37] <ogra> nope, i dont think he'd mind
[11:38] <cbx33> ok done
[11:42] <bluefrog-10> sry to bother again, If i were to patch a sony acpi driver would the following command be correct, pls?   patch -i /path/to/sony_acpi.ko sony-patch
[11:42] <crimsun> bluefrog-10: sony-patch is an xdelta?
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> wow no just copy/paste in a file information from a web site
[11:43] <crimsun> you can't patch a binary like that
[11:43] <crimsun> you probably mean to patch the kernel source and recompile that module
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> crimsun, can I pm you the info I found about that?
[11:44] <bluefrog-10> maybe you can explain to me then cause it's chinese to me
[11:45] <crimsun> give me a url, sure
[11:46] <bluefrog-10> not url it's in my inbox a mail i received long ago from a bug i filled
[11:46] <bluefrog-10> the url otherwise is http://developer.berlios.de/projects/fsfn/  (the mail is talking about that as well
[11:49] <bluefrog-10> crimsun, if it implies recompiling the kernel don't bother explaining to me :) I won't go that far
[11:50] <crimsun> it does involve recompiling the kernel.
[11:50] <crimsun> well, you really only need to build the module
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> well too bad I'll do without my fn keys then ty
[11:51] <pygi> eh, little obstacle, and you already give up bluefrog-10 
[11:52] <bluefrog-10> well at another time maybe, I really need a working edubuntu server to make a demo next week, I haven't earned a single euro in more thatn one year (on the dole) so if I want to create my company (last chance for me to get a job) I don't have time to fiddle with freaking fn keys :)
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> partimage is my best friend so when demo is reday and image is done, well i'll give a shot not before :)
[11:54] <cbx33> bluefrog-10, good idea :p
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> already have much to do with samb-ldap and mail server on same edubuntu server before tuesday
[11:56] <cbx33> samba is that
[11:56] <bluefrog-10> *hopes his samba-ldap script which was working on breezy will make wonders on dapper*
[11:56] <cbx33> right nn guys+gals
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> be
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> bye
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> same for me hit the sac time
[12:50] <LaserJock> any Edubuntu people up still?
[12:55] <ogra> yes
[12:55] <LaserJock> ogra: can you comment on the color scheme in http://mdke.org/tmp/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/
[12:56] <LaserJock> is it Edubuntu enough?
[12:56] <ogra> yep
[12:56] <Burgwork> LaserJock, we should have a palette somewhere
[12:56] <ogra> the fonts are a bit to big
[12:57] <ogra> ast least the author names could be half size
[12:57] <Burgwork> ogra, it is actually my grand scheme. I don't think I am getting enough recognition :0
[12:57] <Burgwork> :)
[12:58] <LaserJock> lol
[12:58] <ogra> Burgwork, actually the logo is our palette
[12:58] <Burgwork> ah
[12:58] <ogra> heh
[12:58] <ogra> i'll suggest you for the nobel price one day :)
[12:58] <Burgwork> prize, you mean?
[12:58] <ogra> that should give you enough recognition
[12:59] <ogra> inmdeed, i'm up since 60h or so and only had a 3h nap ... my grammar and vocabulary suck a bit
[12:59] <ogra> still 8 test installs to do ...
[02:09] <scubes13> hello guys, first - I am using kubuntu (not edubuntu), but I was told to ask here
[02:09] <scubes13> I have freenx up and running on my kubuntu desktop server, I need to be able to boot the thin clients from the server - I was told about the pxes project, but I am having a hard time finding hard info on how to setup the kubuntu box to push connections to the pxe clients - any input, anyone?
[02:09] <scubes13> even docs for that matter
[02:10] <LaserJock> hmm, I have no idea about freenx and thin clients
[02:10] <LaserJock> edubuntu uses LTSP
[02:11] <scubes13> right, I just figured that LTSP prob used the pxes to allow clients to boot - I may be wrong in that assumption...
[02:13] <LaserJock> yeah, it uses PXE to boot over the network
[02:14] <scubes13> my thought is that if I can get the client to boot up into pxes via PXE on the server, then from there I can configure the NX client to go from there
[02:14] <LaserJock> hmm, I just don't know enough about it to know
[02:14] <scubes13> but as for pushing the PXE from the server, I dont even know where to begin - I realize it takes tftp and that I need to push the clients to look for the tftp via my dhcp server
[02:15] <scubes13> gotya :(
[02:15] <scubes13> :)
[02:15] <LaserJock> is there a reason to use freenx over LTSP?
[02:16] <scubes13> just seems to be lighter, esp across modems/remote lans, etc
[02:16] <ogra> sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server && sudo ltsp-build-client ... then edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to match a static interface on the server, restart the dhcp server and you are done ...
[02:16] <ogra> note that you cant (shouldnt) use two dhcp servers in one network
[02:16] <spacey> scubes13: ltsp is mostly used on a local area network
[02:16] <spacey> on modems/wan freenx would be useful
[02:17] <ogra> yep
[02:17] <scubes13> yeah, that was why I was looking at freenx, b/c we work a good bit remotely
[02:17] <spacey> b/c?
[02:17] <spacey> you can also do both
[02:17] <jsgotangco> ogra: go to sleep?
[02:17] <spacey> its quite late in CET now :)
[02:17] <spacey> just got back from a "party"
[02:18] <scubes13> yeah, I was also not running two dhcp servers
[02:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, one install left for today
[02:18] <scubes13> I was able to setup my pfsense firewall to let each incoming dhcp request look to the thin client server for the pxe boot file - worked pretty well
[02:19] <jsgotangco> ogra: amd64 is covered now or do you need more?
[02:19] <jsgotangco> (it seems good already)
[02:19] <ogra> this last install makes amd64 complete 
[02:19] <HedgeMage> hi all :)
[02:19] <spacey> i don't think firewalls have much to do with PXE
[02:20] <spacey> ogra: madness!:P
[02:20] <ogra> well, look at our test matrix on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current
[02:20] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:20] <scubes13> spacey: no, they dont, but the clients have to know where the tftp server is that hosts the pxe files
[02:20] <ogra> there is still the whole set of ppc tests left
[02:20] <spacey> scubes13: you specify that in the dhcp lease
[02:20] <scubes13> lol, that is what I was saying
[02:20] <jsgotangco> ogra: uncle i don't have a PPC *wink*
[02:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, but i have one ... :) tomorrow is ppc day
[02:21] <spacey> ogra: ok thats quite a lot
[02:21] <ogra> and probably i386 dvd day ...
[02:21] <scubes13> I have my pfsense firewall specifying the tftp server when it gives out the dhcp leases, therefore I am not using dhcp services on the thin client server
[02:22] <spacey> i didn't know firewalls give dhcp leases
[02:22] <scubes13> well, I have dhcp services running from my pfsense firewall
[02:22] <ogra> cat'ing the CD isos together and rsync the dvd image on top of that goes quite fast (2h for a 3.2G rsync)
[02:22] <spacey> ogra: is that limitation of your inet connection or of the syncing process?
[02:23] <spacey> 2h for 3.2G is relatively slow
[02:23] <ogra> via rsync afeter we pushed out a release candidate thats pretty fast :)
[02:23] <spacey> :)
[02:24] <spacey> oh btw
[02:24] <ogra> the servers are glowing in the DC :)
[02:24] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:24] <spacey> i will probably help in a project to ship old pc's to suriname (whatever youc all that in english)
[02:24] <spacey> i will make sure it ships edubuntu or xubuntu if there slow
[02:24] <ogra> yeah
[02:24] <spacey> its for schools there
[02:24] <ogra> thats cool
[02:25] <bimberi> Just listened to the latest Lugradio podcast.  Included an interview with a guy from http://camara.ie/ , an Irish charity sending refurbished computers to African schools.  Pre-installed with Edubuntu :)
[02:25] <spacey> yeah, i hope it will actually happen
[02:25] <ogra> spacey, will you be in paris ?
[02:25] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:25] <spacey> early planning stages now
[02:25] <spacey> ogra: nope, no time/money
[02:25] <ogra> bimberi, wow
[02:25] <ogra> spacey, bah, sad
[02:25] <spacey> insanely busy
[02:26] <spacey> well you never know what happens, but i think its a 5% chance
[02:26] <bimberi> so edubuntu got a mention and a positive reaction from the lugradio guys :)
[02:26] <ogra> bimberi, thats really cool :)
[02:26] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:26] <bimberi> ogra: indeed :)
[02:26] <HedgeMage> very cool
[02:26] <HedgeMage> brb
[02:26] <ogra> there are guys in washington doing something similar btw
[02:27] <HedgeMage> ogra: DC or state?
[02:27] <ogra> hmm, was that washington ? ....
[02:27] <jsgotangco> flint?
[02:27] <ogra> nope
[02:27] <ogra> jammcq (upstream ltsp) and whiprush run that 
[02:28] <jsgotangco> ahh yeah i remember that
[02:28] <jsgotangco> that's in detroit
[02:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:28] <ogra> damned, i forgot where
[02:28] <ogra> ah, yeah detroit 
[02:28] <spacey> all the same ;p
[02:28] <ogra> there behind the water 
[02:28] <spacey> yeah =)
[02:28] <ogra> :)
[02:28] <spacey> far far away
[02:29] <spacey> i'm going to sleep
[02:29] <spacey> goodnight =)
[02:29] <ogra> night
[02:29] <jsgotangco> well time for me to do some RL work
[02:29] <jsgotangco> brb
[02:37] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: yeah, I always have to do that too. I'm more used to Washington being the state and D.C. obvously being the other
[02:37] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yep but not all people remember to differentiate :)
[02:38] <LaserJock> especially when they are "over there" :-)
[02:38] <ogra> haha
[02:39] <ogra> beware, you'll be "over there" yourself soon :)
[02:39] <LaserJock> yep, I email my boss about it today, hopefully he isn't too mad
[02:39] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: hehe :)
[02:40] <LaserJock> I have a hard time explaining it without saying, "I'm going to Paris to work on that thing that keeps me from doing real work."
[02:40] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[02:42] <bimberi> LaserJock: tell him that things will flip-flop - you'll probably end up thinking more about real work while you're there :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> I just went for the vauge approach
[02:43] <LaserJock> I said that I was being sponsored to go to a Linux conference, how nice
[02:43] <bimberi> good idea
[02:44] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:44] <LaserJock> well, it isn't to bad. I was the only grad student in the lab not taking time off in June and I'm taking off the least amount of time
[02:44] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:46] <bimberi> sounds like a good case to me - and how could anyone deny someone a sponsored  visit to Paris anyway
[02:47] <HedgeMage> I'll see the sites, but I think that one I'll miss
[02:47] <HedgeMage> *if I ever see Paris
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, I haven't been outside the US except for a brief Mexico trip when I was 12
[02:48] <HedgeMage> I did a short tour through part of canada when i was still singing -- that's the only time I've left the US
[02:50] <LaserJock> I never made it to Canada, don't know why exactly. It would take about 4-5 hrs to drive from where I grew up
[02:51] <HedgeMage> I'm out to restock our kitchen... see you all later tonight
[02:51] <LaserJock> cya HedgeMage 
[02:52] <bimberi> bye HedgeMage
[02:53] <bimberi> LaserJock: wow, well i hope you have a great time then :)
[02:54] <bimberi> <-- away for a bit
[02:54] <LaserJock> well, it won't be a sight seeing tour, but I'll be glad to meet people and help make sure Edgy rocks too
[02:55] <LaserJock> my Grandpa is preparing a "This is were all your French ancestors came from" speech for when I see him this weekend :-)
[03:42] <Burgundavia> HIGHVOLTAGE!!!!
[03:42] <crimsun> (Is that a cry of anguish?)
[03:42] <Burgundavia> no, of anger
[03:42] <crimsun> yeah, that's my cue to totter off.
[03:43] <Burgundavia> heh
[03:43] <Amaranth> yay
[03:44] <Amaranth> http://www.divmod.org/projects/reverend
[03:44] <Amaranth> LGPL too
[03:45] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, beautiful
[03:45] <Amaranth> now all i have to do is the proxy bits :P
[03:45] <Amaranth> which is actually the hard part....
[03:46] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:46] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, did you see this? http://www.porchdogsoft.com/products/howl/
[03:56] <Amaranth> err
[03:56] <Amaranth> heh
[04:13] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: show Lathiat
[04:53] <jsgotangco> howl does zeroconf no?
[05:11] <Amaranth> yeah
[05:17] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, hmm, got you two mixed up
[07:08] <mhz> !seen highvoltage
[07:08] <ubotu> highvoltage <n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 10h 28m 54s ago, saying: 'it might be plus the ctrl... i don't know. normally, just SysRq = ctrl+PrtSc'.
[07:16] <cbx33> morning 
[07:17] <Phlosten> afternoon
[07:18] <cbx33> hey highvoltage
[07:18] <highvoltage> hi cb
[07:19] <highvoltage> x33
[07:19] <cbx33> heh
[07:19] <cbx33> get my mail?
[07:19] <cbx33> can i publish esa now?
[07:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: i just got in the office, so just started downloadign mail :)
[07:20] <highvoltage> downloading 76 of 240
[07:20] <cbx33> heheh
[07:20] <cbx33> np
[07:35] <mhz> !seen highvoltage
[07:35] <ubotu> highvoltage is currently on #edubuntu (17m 6s) #ubuntu (17m 6s)
[07:35] <mhz> highvoltage: well, probably 100 are related to Viagra stuff
[07:35] <mhz> :)
[07:36] <mhz> and 1 for sure, is Corey telling you off for deleting wiki pages :D
[07:36] <cbx33> mhz, we're doing good on the old spam front
[07:36] <mhz> cbx33: wiki spam?
[07:36] <cbx33> edubuntu-devel
[07:37] <mhz> oh, yeah, you too?
[07:37] <highvoltage> hey mhz 
[07:37] <cbx33> yeh, it's u and me
[07:37] <mhz> cbx33: that is why every time I log in to the Admin, I found none of the 20 notice emails I got in my ibox
[07:37] <highvoltage> mhz: all the pages we deleted really, really needed to be deleted :)
[07:38] <cbx33> mhz heheheh
[07:38] <mhz> highvoltage: tell that to Corey :)
[07:38] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: all the pages we deleted, really, really needed to be deleted!
[07:38] <mhz> highvoltage: lol
[07:39] <mhz> highvoltage: I died waiting for your friend's CV
[07:39] <cbx33> highvoltage; did you s e what i did on drupal
[07:39] <mhz> died  = passed ways
[07:39] <mhz> died  = passed away
[07:43] <highvoltage> mhz: i could only get in touch with him late yesterday afternoon :/
[07:43] <mhz> is he still interested?
[07:44] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, but i think you might have to move on, since of your time constraints
[07:44] <highvoltage> mhz: he needs more info to send to TSF CEO first to get permission to go
[07:44] <highvoltage> let me give you the details in PM
[07:44] <mhz> highvoltage: but I gotta "play safe". If he's interested and can send me his CV and confirmation letter (yours), then ok
[07:45] <mhz> okis
[07:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: i will in just a bit
[07:46] <mhz> highvoltage: now I am registered :)
[07:48] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, yes, but you coudl have replaced them with a link
[07:51] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: i'll look at the links we deleted again, to check. although links like /PressRelease, that contained nothing but a few very draft notes about a possible press release for 5.10, doesn't really warrant having a link there. do you agree? or should everything have a link?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, if you mentioned the wiki page anywhere publicly or talked about it, it should be kept
[07:54] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: ok
[07:55] <highvoltage> i think there were some old artwork pages we deleted that was mentioned in the mailing list some time ago... we can still create a link explaining that the page used to exist, but doesn't anymore. would that be fine?
[07:55] <mhz> Has anyone seen any artwork for Edubuntu regarding CD labels ?
[07:55] <highvoltage> mhz: iirc, there were some CD labels that you created :)
[07:56] <mhz> highvoltage: hehehe, yeah but that was for Breezy. I need to know about Dapper
[07:57] <mhz> because I am calling for a breakfast for 4 to 6 journalists from diff papers, on June 1st. I will demo Edubuntu Dapper while they have breakfast :D
[07:57] <mhz> (well, that is the idea)
[07:57] <mhz> So, I could create a CD Label but I dont wanna invent wheel
[07:58] <mhz> or show something totally diff from real release
[07:59] <cbx33> mhz wow, are you gonna give them shipit cd's
[08:00] <mhz> cbx33: well, i am gonna burn 6 CD's and print 6 Cd Labels by myself
[08:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: no, i don't mind the converging of the glosarry at all, thanks :)
[08:00] <highvoltage> cbx33: what's the link to ESA on drupal?
[08:00] <cbx33> node/16
[08:00] <cbx33> i think
[08:00] <mhz> lol!
[08:01] <cbx33> else you'll have to log in
[08:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: ah, i've got it
[08:01] <mhz> we already started with the 'not-easy-to-remember' php names instead the PieceOfCake wiki names :D
[08:02] <cbx33> i think it's looking really good
[08:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: wow! it looks, very, very nice!
[08:02] <cbx33> gtg bbl
[08:03] <mhz> hmmm
[08:03] <mhz> cbx33: bug!
[08:03] <mhz> highvoltage: bug
[08:03] <mhz>  hilton@tsf.org.za
[08:03] <mhz> damn!
[08:03] <mhz> sorry
[08:04] <mhz> highvoltage: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[08:04] <highvoltage> mhz: i know, the images are too large so it shifts the menu's
[08:04] <highvoltage> we'll fix that before the end of the weekend ;)
[08:06] <highvoltage> hmmm.. seems that, it's actually just the gedit screenshot that is too big. in that case we can fix by end of day
[08:07] <jsgotangco> yo!
[08:07] <highvoltage> yo jsgotangco!
[08:08] <mhz> highvoltage: cbx33, nice work
[08:12] <highvoltage> mhz: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted :)
[08:12] <highvoltage> gimp++
[08:27] <mhz> highvoltage: my screen is 10 inches and still see text wider than page borders, hence menus disspear
[08:28] <highvoltage> mhz: ok, i'll look into that
[08:29] <mhz> thx
[09:09] <cbx33> mornin
[09:10] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[09:14] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[09:16] <Burgundavia> cbx33, anybody you not be looking for there?
[09:17] <cbx33> ping Burgundavia 
[09:17] <Burgundavia> heh
[09:17] <cbx33> howz ity going corey
[09:17] <Burgundavia> not bad
[09:17] <Burgundavia> about to head to bed
[09:17] <cbx33> good job 
[09:18] <cbx33> Burgundavia: you're not a python expert are you
[09:18] <Burgundavia> far from it
[09:18] <Burgundavia> what is the issue?
[09:18] <cbx33> well,
[09:19] <cbx33> I'm wanting my python script to dynamically create a new cell in a table containing a text and 2 button widgets...which I can do easily
[09:19] <cbx33> I've learnt that much
[09:19] <cbx33> :p
[09:19] <cbx33> but I need a place to store these widgets
[09:19] <cbx33> like in an array
[09:19] <cbx33> I've tried like
[09:19] <cbx33> buttin[0] =gtk.Button("New")
[09:19] <cbx33> but it syas button isn't defined
[09:20] <cbx33> any ideas Burgundavia ?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> nope, sorry
[09:45] <cbx33> ping crimsun 
[09:46] <cbx33> no one here knows where mplayer hath gone do they?
[09:53] <JaneW> pbor: pygi normally arrives a little later - give it a few hours
[09:53] <pbor> JaneW: no prob
[09:53] <pbor> I don't have any hurry
[09:54] <pbor> JaneW: thank you
[09:56] <JaneW> pbor: cool
[09:58] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW
[09:58] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco 
[10:19] <lucasvo> in which format is the cookbook written?
[10:21] <cbx33> wiki at the mo as far as I know
[10:29] <lucasvo> hm, I thought they used some xhtml format?
[10:30] <lucasvo> ah docbook
[11:02] <lucasvo> anybody working on Cookbook here?
[11:03] <cbx33> lucasvo: I was doing some proofing
[11:04] <cbx33> it's pygi and HedgeMage
[11:04] <cbx33> who were doing the bulk
[11:04] <pygi> lucasvo, how may I help?
[11:05] <lucasvo> I am having problems with my own docbook
[11:05] <pygi> lucasvo, like?
[11:06] <lucasvo> but I already was able to fix it
[11:06] <cbx33> lucasvo: i've used docbook
[11:06] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[11:06] <lucasvo> pygi: a stupid error
[11:06] <cbx33> :p
[11:06] <pygi> enjoy
[11:06] <lucasvo>  docbook2html can't work in a subdirectory such as This\ dir\ has\ spaces/
[11:06] <JaneW> pygi: pbor was looking for you too ;)
[11:06] <JaneW> pygi: h and hi :)
[11:07] <JaneW> s/h/hi/
[11:07] <pbor> JaneW: sorted in #ubuntu-devel
[11:07] <cbx33> hi JaneW 
[11:07] <lucasvo> do you know a good tutor for docbook, pygi & cbx?
[11:07] <JaneW> I mean s/h/oh/
[11:07] <JaneW> pbor: oic, great
[11:07] <JaneW> hi cbx33 
[11:07] <cbx33> lucasvo: just take one that'sd already written
[11:07] <lucasvo> and with LP not working I can't even report the bug
[11:07] <lucasvo> cbx33: where can I find one?
[11:08] <cbx33> in the svn repo
[11:08] <cbx33> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/edubuntu/
[11:10] <lucasvo> ahhh, svn!
[11:11] <lucasvo> :P
[11:11] <lucasvo> use bzr
[11:12] <cbx33> bzr isn;t suitable for the docteam right now
[11:12] <cbx33> anyone know a good how to for setting up svn with webdav
[12:46] <cbx33> ok
[12:46] <cbx33> I need someone whos good about general permissions problems
[12:54] <blue-frog> can try to give a go
[12:54] <cbx33> excellent
[12:55] <blue-frog> if i solve your problem...
[12:55] <blue-frog> if it's webdav related am not your man yet as I nee to find a tuto myself on it
[12:55] <cbx33> no it;s not
[12:55] <cbx33> ok take a look at this page
[12:56] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SubVersion
[12:56] <cbx33> see this bit
[12:56] <cbx33>    $ sudo mkdir myproject   $ sudo chown -R root:subversion myproject   $ sudo chmod -R g+rws myproject
[12:56] <cbx33> ok i did that
[12:57] <jsgotangco> ciao
[12:57] <jsgotangco> later
[12:57] <cbx33> and I've been added to the group
[12:57] <blue-frog> k
[12:57] <cbx33> but......
[12:57] <cbx33> drwxr-sr-x 5 root subversion 4096 2006-05-26 11:39 db
[12:57] <cbx33> is a dir that I need write access to
[12:57] <cbx33> but....as you can see w is missing for group
[12:58] <cbx33> what should those instructions have read?
[12:59] <blue-frog> and db is inside /home/sn/myproject of course
[12:59] <cbx33> yes
[01:01] <blue-frog> the permissions on above folder are ok?
[01:01] <cbx33> yes
[01:01] <cbx33> I can write to that one
[01:02] <cbx33> the g+rws line
[01:02] <cbx33> should that be something different
[01:02] <blue-frog> having a look
[01:03] <cbx33> thanks blue-frog I was never that ogood with sticky bits
[01:05] <blue-frog> making a test here to see if i have same problem
[01:05] <cbx33> thanks blue-frog 
[01:05] <cbx33> basically afte ryou have finished the g+rws line
[01:05] <cbx33> try writing to the db folder
[01:10] <blue-frog> hum
[01:11] <cbx33> i know it's a pretty simple problem....but I want to get this right...and I'm stumped
[01:11] <blue-frog> hang on have you tried wrting in it
[01:12] <blue-frog> without looking at the permissions
[01:12] <cbx33> in the db folder?
[01:12] <blue-frog> yes
[01:12] <cbx33> premission denied
[01:12] <blue-frog> cause works for me here
[01:12] <cbx33> oh
[01:13] <cbx33> can you show me your premissions
[01:13] <blue-frog> ah no hang on must try with other user
[01:13] <blue-frog> and of course it shouldn't work
[01:13] <cbx33> hehe
[01:14] <blue-frog> ok same as you of course
[01:15] <cbx33> so now the question is
[01:15] <cbx33> what should we have written in the beginning
[01:15] <blue-frog> yes but you didn't make it sticky that is the problem i think
[01:15] <blue-frog> let me try
[01:15] <cbx33> oh?
[01:16] <blue-frog> have to man first :)
[01:16] <cbx33> ok
[01:18] <blue-frog> try replacing s by t
[01:18] <blue-frog> chmod -R g+rwt
[01:18] <cbx33> ok I'll recreate it again
[01:18] <blue-frog> no
[01:18] <cbx33> oh ok
[01:18] <blue-frog> just apply chmod
[01:19] <blue-frog> rah yes you are right erase and recreate...
[01:19] <cbx33> nope
[01:19] <cbx33> it works with just the chmod
[01:19] <blue-frog> cause -R is gonna trick us wrongly
[01:19] <cbx33> oh?
[01:19] <cbx33> how so
[01:20] <blue-frog> -r applies new permissions to db as well :(
[01:20] <blue-frog> gonna try again here
[01:20] <cbx33> isn't that what we want?
[01:20] <cbx33> oh i see
[01:20] <cbx33> yes.....
[01:20] <blue-frog> no as db was supposed to be created afterwards
[01:20] <cbx33> that would be wrong
[01:22] <blue-frog> yes works
[01:23] <cbx33> no it didn't here
[01:24] <blue-frog> works for me but..
[01:24] <blue-frog> just one folder underneath the sticky bit
[01:24] <blue-frog> menaing..
[01:24] <blue-frog> meaning
[01:24] <cbx33> ah yes
[01:24] <cbx33> that's y it didn't fork for me
[01:24] <cbx33> db works
[01:24] <cbx33> but db/transationc doesn't
[01:24] <cbx33> bbiab
[01:24] <blue-frog> yes
[01:25] <blue-frog> and for the following subfolder I don't know how to do that, gonna try with nautilus interface..
[01:28] <blue-frog> even with nautilus by applying the sticky bit don't work for more than a folder
[01:28] <blue-frog> must be a way though, I man abit more
[01:32] <blue-frog> gonna ask on ubuntu-fr, hang on but I have a feeling that sticky bit is meant to be used like that only meaning you may need something else in fact
[01:37] <blue-frog> waiting for an eventual answer on ubuntu-fr if they can talk of other things than graphic cards..
[01:37] <blue-frog> thinking
[01:38] <blue-frog> egroupware does that but i don't know if that can be applicable to your problem
[01:38] <blue-frog> and as I don't have egroupware installed right now I can't check in their code
[01:52] <lucasvo> has anybody experience with html export of docbook?
[01:52] <lucasvo> I would like to add a custom header
[01:53] <blue-frog> cbx33 think the answer to your problem is ACL
[02:13] <cbx33> blue-frog: no way
[02:14] <blue-frog> why's that?
[02:14] <cbx33> well, it just can't be that complicated
[02:14] <blue-frog> acl is not that complicated (even though I have tough time to use the setfacl tool)
[02:15] <blue-frog> http://www.ids.org.au/main/tutorials/acl_howto.php
[02:20] <cbx33> blue-frog: think that'll suffice?
[02:20] <blue-frog> 755?
[02:21] <cbx33> oh sorry 775
[02:21] <blue-frog> do you have to leave rx to others?
[02:21] <cbx33> yeh
[02:22] <blue-frog> ok then
[02:22] <cbx33> 7 for owner 7 for group 5 for others
[02:22] <cbx33> oh sory
[02:22] <blue-frog> yes yes understood
[02:22] <cbx33> i see what you mean
[02:22] <blue-frog> ye p I mean 5 to others
[02:22] <cbx33> blue-frog: sorry...i didn't mean to sound patronising...i didnt read it properly
[02:22] <blue-frog> don't wry :)
[02:23] <blue-frog> *fighting with setfacl cause he thinks that should be the propoer way if he can make it work:) *
[02:30] <blue-frog> cbx33, making tests now with acls
[02:38] <cbx33> thanks blue-frog 
[02:38] <cbx33> ping JaneW 
[02:38] <blue-frog> getting near I think but still need few more minutes, the acl stuff is really interesting
[02:40] <JaneW> cbx33: pong (gimme 2 mins)
[02:41] <cbx33> np
[02:41] <cbx33> blue-frog: I'm sure it is
[02:45] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=100 - hehehe
[02:48] <blue-frog> cbx33 works all fine :)
[02:48] <lucasvo> docbook is horrible 
[02:48] <lucasvo> it is so damn complicated
[02:48] <cbx33> lucasvo: nahhh
[02:48] <cbx33> blue-frog: care to share ?
[02:48] <blue-frog> cbx33, it's a mixture of acl and sticky bit, I can explain to you will take 5 minutes
[02:49] <cbx33> please
[02:49] <blue-frog> nedd a job :)
[02:49] <cbx33> wanna take it into pm?
[02:49] <spacey> cbx33: already on planet.ubuntu.com ?
[02:49] <blue-frog> need*
[02:49] <blue-frog> sure cbx33 
[02:49] <cbx33> spacey: no
[02:49] <cbx33> didnt think my blog was ... how shall I put it....good enough
[02:50] <spacey> i think its fine
[02:50] <cbx33> ok, how do i add myself to planet?
[02:51] <spacey> mail jdub
[02:51] <cbx33> ok
[02:52] <spacey> if look at all those who would you want to meet when you go to heaven posts your blog is pretty good
[02:52] <lucasvo> cbx33: well...
[02:52] <lucasvo> cbx33: have you ever tried to customize the html output?
[02:53] <cbx33> ah, just use css
[02:53] <lucasvo> I want to have a special header
[02:53] <lucasvo> which I can't do with css
[02:54] <blue-frog> cbx33, you are with me? :)
[02:54] <lucasvo> since I need div boxes to be added into the css
[02:54] <lucasvo> cbx33: you know how I could do that?
[02:54] <cbx33> blue-frog: about what ?
[02:54] <blue-frog> explanaytion in pm
[02:55] <cbx33> oh yeh I'm getting that
[03:00] <pips1> ogra, ping
[03:00] <ogra> pips1, pong
[03:00] <pips1> i'm trying to investigate the installation failure on powerpc G5
[03:01] <pips1> I tested with kubuntu rc live cd and booting hangs as well, but it got a little further than the edubuntu cd
[03:01] <pips1> I still can get a console though :-(
[03:02] <pips1> ogra, anyway, I'm just letting you know. I'll update my bug report accordingly
[03:05] <blue-frog> cbx33, what's your group name again?
[03:05] <ogra> pips1, sounds like a kernel bug
[03:06] <ogra> pips1, so #ubuntu-kernel would be my guess
[03:06] <cbx33> blue-frog: subversion
[03:06] <blue-frog> yep got it
[03:07] <pips1> ogra, ok, thanks for pointer, I'll see what I can do
[03:12] <blue-frog> is there a firewall in dapper?
[03:14] <blue-frog> I have installed apt-proxy and when I try apt-get update it tells me could not connect to my ip connection refused?
[03:15] <cbx33> brb
[03:23] <mjg> I'm working on an software survey for the Edubuntu Study Content Team. If you have a minute, please take the survey and comment. Thanks. http://www.zoomerang.com/survey.zgi?p=WEB225CK5BSC3B
[03:24] <ogra> mjg, thats nice, try also the mailing list :)
[03:24] <mjg> I will. Thanks.
[03:33] <pips1> mjg, good idea to do an online survey :-)
[03:36] <mjg> pips1, thanks. The goal of the project is to get educators and students interested and involved in educational content development.
[03:37] <ogra> mjg, make sure to send us updates on the software requirements you get submitted, so stuff can get included where appropriate
[03:38] <mjg> I will.
[03:38] <ogra> thanks :)
[03:38] <mjg> submit via dev mail-list I assume?
[03:38] <ogra> yep
[03:39] <ogra> blue-frog, 
[03:39] <ogra> gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (0.1.24) dapper; urgency=low
[03:39] <ogra>  .
[03:39] <ogra>    * Restore old "Install to first hard disk" string alongside "Install in
[03:39] <ogra>      text mode", so that it can be used for Edubuntu and the Ubuntu server
[03:39] <ogra>      CDs.
[03:39] <blue-frog> :)
[03:39] <cbx33> anyone got jdub's email off hand?
[03:41] <blue-frog> cbx33, did you mange to have your permissions working ok?
[03:41] <cbx33> blue-frog: I think so
[03:41] <cbx33> btw blue-frog 
[03:41] <blue-frog> cool
[03:41] <cbx33> do not reboot
[03:41] <cbx33> if you have put {{acl}} in your fstab
[03:41] <cbx33> it's just acl
[03:41] <blue-frog> ah
[03:42] <blue-frog> what does the other stuff?
[03:42] <cbx33> otherwise it won;t mount properly
[03:42] <blue-frog> a poopoo
[03:42] <blue-frog> ok
[03:42] <blue-frog> ty
[03:42] <cbx33> and will be read only so you will have to go into a resuce cd to modify
[03:42] <blue-frog> will take those {{}}away
[03:42] <cbx33> blue-frog: did you not get any of my messages in pm?
[03:42] <blue-frog> cause from now on I am not working anu=ymore without acl :)
[03:42] <ogra> cbx33, jeff.waugh@ubuntu.com
[03:43] <blue-frog> nope cbx33 
[03:43] <cbx33> oh darn
[03:43] <cbx33> i sent loads...but hadn't registered
[03:43] <blue-frog> :)
[03:44] <blue-frog> don't understand the guy put those {{}} then, maybe it's some wiki formatting that went thru
[03:44] <cbx33> yeh
[03:44] <blue-frog> i was a bit surprise dmyself by those but dind't bother yet
[03:45] <cbx33> hehe don't :p
[03:49] <blue-frog> btw cbx33 keep the url i sent u for the different example are much easier to understand than the man page for setfacl
[03:49] <blue-frog> (at least for me)
[03:50] <pygi> JaneW, you around?
[03:50] <blue-frog> bonjour michel
[03:51] <jsgotangco> yo!
[03:51] <ogra> yo ? 
[03:51] <pips1> ogra, the dapper kernel doesn't support the new imac g5 processors yet (fabbione told me), so g5 users will have to wait for edgy
[03:51] <ogra> ghurt ?
[03:52] <jsgotangco> ?
[03:52] <ogra> pips1, ah
[03:52] <ogra> that explains a lot :)
[03:52] <blue-frog> kamerun, how goes your edubuntu installation?
[03:53] <lucasvo> hallo michel!!!
[03:53] <lucasvo> kamerun: commen ca va?
[03:53] <lucasvo> +t
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hmmmmm
[03:54] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: what?
[03:54] <lucasvo> sudo apt-get remove libqt?
[03:54] <lucasvo> :)
[03:54] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:55] <pips1> ogra, quoting fabbione: ...
[03:55] <pips1> fabbione pips1: afaik the new imac g5 support has been added to the kernel only recently
[03:55] <pips1> fabbione i think it requires at least .16 if not .17
[03:55] <pips1> fabbione and the backport is not possible.
[03:55] <pips1> fabbione the code has been ported to .16 for a distro and it resulted in a very unstable environment
[03:55] <ogra> yep
[03:56] <ogra> sad the G5 cant emulate a G4 like amd64 can be used as i386b 
[03:56] <lucasvo> next ubuntu release ppc is out of date anyway :)
[03:56] <ogra> -b
[03:56] <ogra> not at all
[03:56] <lucasvo> ogra: well of course, but it won't be in stores anymore
[03:56] <ogra> ppc will be around a long time still (at least as long as its used in IBMs)
[03:56] <lucasvo> too bad the didn't choose amd
[03:57] <lucasvo> ogra: IBM is still using them for wokstations?
[03:57] <lucasvo> or only servers?
[03:57] <ogra> servers 
[03:57] <lucasvo> when will the shipit cd's be sent out?
[03:58] <ogra> but ppc macs will also stay around for some years and lots of ubuntu devs has ppc
[03:58] <ogra> *have
[03:58] <ogra> if there is something to be sent
[03:58] <ogra> not before ... people wont be happy about empty CD cases, even if they get them early :P
[03:59] <lucasvo> well I only order it for the case anyway :)
[03:59] <lucasvo> I have about 5 cd burnes in my house
[03:59] <ogra> i was suspecting that somehow :)
[03:59] <lucasvo> ogra: is the edubuntu release at the same time as ubuntu release?
[04:00] <ogra> yep
[04:00] <lucasvo> ogra: but most people would assume that it's illegal if I give them one of my own cd's
[04:00] <lucasvo> *lol*
[04:00] <lucasvo> somebody from our school just won an award for cloning the opencd
[04:00] <lucasvo> haha
[04:01] <lucasvo> they won a nationwide communication contest for a cd about free security software 
[04:02] <lucasvo> btw, will the new shipit cd's still include free software for windows?
[04:04] <ogra> not the edubuntu ones, no
[04:04] <ogra> but the ubuntu and kubuntu ones have space for it i think
[04:04] <lucasvo> I orderd ubuntu ones as well
[04:05] <jsgotangco> ogra: it seems we'll have separate annoucements for the release, Riddell said kubuntu is having one
[04:05] <ogra> yep, might be, nobody approached me yet about it
[04:05] <jsgotangco> well i already had a draft want me to post it on the wiki?
[04:07] <ogra> yep
[04:10] <lucasvo> cbx33: can you help me with docbook?
[04:11] <cbx33> lucasvo: I can try
[04:12] <lucasvo> http://wservices.ch/~lucas/software/newsletter/docbook/sending_news/c21.html < this is docbook
[04:13] <lucasvo> this is how I want it to look like: http://wservices.ch/~lucas/software/newsletter/doc/
[04:14] <lucasvo> cbx33: currently I am using docbook2html
[04:14] <lucasvo> how can I tell this tool to use a css file?
[04:20] <cbx33> lucasvo: sorry I gotta shoot off...
[04:20] <cbx33> just put the css in the same folder as the html
[04:20] <cbx33> and then...hmm..you need a header
[04:21] <JaneW> cbx33: ping again
[04:21] <JaneW> cbx33: pong I mean
[04:21] <cbx33> JaneW: ping - back in about 1 hour or so
[04:21] <JaneW> cbx33: ok
[04:21] <cbx33> it was just about the announcemnts things....
[04:22] <cbx33> but js has alreadfy replied
[04:22] <cbx33> bbl
[04:22] <pygi> JaneW, hey, you here this time? :0
[04:23] <ogra> cbx33, dont put too much on your sholders 
[04:24] <JaneW> cbx33: oh ok
[04:24] <JaneW> pygi: kind of, a bit rushed
[04:24] <pygi> JaneW, ah,oki, nothing important anyway
[04:38] <blue-frog> what "official" ubuntu program could I use to setup a partial mirror on my pc, pls (apparently dapper apt-get update makes apt-proxy goes nuts...)
[04:41] <blue-frog> in fact I rephrase.. what could I use to set up a partial mirror?
[04:41] <ogra> debmirrir probably
[04:41] <ogra> *debmirror
[04:41] <blue-frog> ty gonna look at it
[04:46] <blue-frog> I assume it's pointless filling a bug for apt-get/apt-proxy as apt-proxy is in unvierse, correct?
[04:47] <ogra> why ? 
[04:47] <blue-frog> dunno I still don't understand very well what is universe
[04:47] <ogra> i mean why shouldnt you file a bug ? 
[04:47] <blue-frog> but if i can i will do it right now cause apt-proxy is definitely what I need
[04:48] <LaserJock> blue-frog: Universe just means some lazy MOTU has to fix rather than the ever dedicated core-devs ;-)
[04:48] <ogra> universe packages can get fixage as well as main packages
[04:48] <blue-frog> ok then I will assign it to apt-get
[04:49] <LaserJock> blue-frog: if it is an apt-proxy problem then file it aganst that, don't worry about what repo it is in
[04:50] <blue-frog> well i don't know if it proxy or get as it was working perfectly under breezy
[04:50] <blue-frog> but now when apt-proxy receives the request from apt-get it's telling a lot of things about lines in python files
[04:51] <blue-frog> oh yes will file it under apt-proxy
[04:51] <blue-frog> the files incrimimnated are apt_proxy.py for example
[04:53] <LaserJock> hehe, it appears that I want to write a KDEEdu app https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSoftwareSurvey
[04:53] <bddebian> Howdy :-)
[04:54] <ogra> hey bddebian 
[04:54] <bddebian> ogra: So, what, if anything, should I test for ya? :-)
[04:54] <LaserJock> quick!! close the door so he can't get out ;-)
[04:54] <ogra> we have a text matrix at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current
[04:54] <ogra> s/text/test/
[04:55] <JaneW> pygi: pong
[04:55] <ogra> so just test what you like to and add your results in the table ...
[04:55] <pygi> JaneW, just wanted to offer my help as Edubuntu weekly newsletter editor
[04:56] <ogra> basially install tests and some checking of the apps (like firing up firefox once and check the default homepage or write some lines in a ooo doc)
[04:56] <JaneW> pygi: oh cool
[04:56] <JaneW> pygi: that would be GREAT :)
[04:56] <pygi> JaneW, and moberg is looking for you (#socdiss), he says he wants a mentor
[04:56] <pygi> JaneW, just poke me a mail on what I should do, and find contributors :-P
[04:56] <JaneW> there seem to be 2-3 interested people
[04:57] <JaneW> so I think we should either
[04:57] <LaserJock> JaneW: would it be possible for us to use the wiki and then have a person that actually submits the final draft?
[04:57] <JaneW> 1) Have people doing alternate weeks 
[04:57] <JaneW> 2) Have people contributing for diff areas and one person tying it together
[04:57] <JaneW> LaserJock: sure
[04:57] <pygi> JaneW, I would say second :)
[04:58] <pygi> And I could be the person tying it all down :)
[04:58] <JaneW> pygi: yes I am trying to sort that out, and have been all day
[04:58] <pygi> ah, we don't have appropriate mentors? 
[04:58] <pygi> and I hate that "copy&paste" thing that happened to us :(
[04:58] <LaserJock> JaneW: you obviouly care too much. you should have just said, "Edubuntu needs a newsletter, figure it out." :-)
[04:59] <pygi> LaserJock, heh :-P
[04:59] <ogra> LaserJock, our management *wants* a newsletter 
[05:00] <ogra> i'd be fine with public meeting notes ...
[05:01] <LaserJock> ogra: well I was sort of thinking how the MOTU Report is done where dholbach organizes it but we just have a wiki draft that people can add to
[05:02] <ogra> yep
[05:02] <JaneW> LaserJock: you are right :P
[05:03] <bddebian> What the heck is the difference between a live Cd and an install CD?
[05:03] <LaserJock> JaneW: btw, do you know (I might have asked you this before) if there will be computers available for the laptop challenged in Paris
[05:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: the livecd has a graphical installer
[05:04] <LaserJock> bddebian: the install CD is the text installer but also has other options
[05:04] <JaneW> LaserJock: er...
[05:04] <bddebian> LaserJock: Yeah, I've noticed.  But I didn't see a specific "install" iso?
[05:04] <JaneW> LaserJock: normaly everyone brings their own
[05:04] <ogra> you can browse the web while installing from the liveCD (or watch pron or whatever)
[05:05] <bddebian> w00t
[05:05] <LaserJock> JaneW: ok, I'll try to scare something up
[05:05] <JaneW> LaserJock: we can see if we can hook you up with someone who can loan you one
[05:05] <ogra> bddebian, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily/ has the install iso
[05:05] <ogra> bddebian, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/edubuntu/daily-live/ has the live iso
[05:05] <LaserJock> JaneW: I will probably just have to convince my wife that I should take hers to Europe for a week :-)
[05:06] <bddebian> Hmm, so I should test an install from the Live CD?
[05:06] <ogra> bddebian, as you like ... you can test live and install cd or only live or only install ...
[05:06] <bddebian> Well Live seems to be working fine.  Though I'm not sure what all to test :-)
[05:07] <ogra> as i said, start some apps and make sure they work ... use ubiquity to do an install test etc
[05:08] <bddebian> Well FireFox and TuxPaint work fine :-)
[05:08] <ogra> great :)
[05:11] <bddebian> Hmm, looks like kPercent might be missing a Comment= in .desktop?
[05:12] <LaserJock> lol
[05:13] <ogra> wow, youre finding the serious bugs today :)
[05:13] <bddebian> Actually a few things in the Education menu don't seem to have them
[05:13] <bddebian> Hehe
[05:14] <bddebian> w00t, I ROCK at TuxMath ;-P
[05:15] <ogra> heh
[05:17] <bddebian> LaserJock: Any thoughts on the pybibliographer bugs?
[05:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: just got a file a couple UVFe's :-)
[05:18] <LaserJock> s/got/got to/
[05:18] <bddebian> Bah, just upload it you wimp ;-P
[05:19] <LaserJock> what are the going to do, kick me out? ;-)
[05:21] <bddebian> Hmm, I don't see a gnome-chemistry-utils package??
[05:22] <LaserJock> in Edubuntu?
[05:23] <bddebian> At all
[05:23] <bddebian> Bug #35922
[05:24] <LaserJock> bddebian: -> -motu or -bugs?
[05:25] <bddebian> Sorry
[05:36] <pygi> JaneW, o shuffling will happen?
[05:51] <bddebian> Hmm, does EdUbuntu not include the Examples dir under Home?
[05:53] <ogra> nope
[05:53] <ogra> example-content is something like 20MB big ... we dont have so much space
[05:53] <JaneW> pygi: 3 students/projects have mentors and have been mailed
[05:53] <JaneW> I gotta go now
[05:53] <ogra> (dur to the kde gnome mix)
[05:53] <pygi> JaneW, nice, thanks :0
[05:53] <pygi> JaneW, enjoy :)
[05:54] <JaneW> ty, you too
[05:55] <bddebian> ogra: OK, thx
[06:11] <jryer> I want to install edubuntu in Spanish and I DO NOT have internet. How?
[06:12] <blue-frog> the easiest is to download the dvd where you can
[06:12] <LaserJock> jryer: or order a cd from shipit.edubuntu.com I think
[06:13] <jryer> Where do I ge the DVD?
[06:14] <blue-frog> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/
[06:14] <blue-frog> has all languages in it
[06:15] <blue-frog> I mean the dvd, the page has dvd following your pc architecture
[06:16] <jryer> How would I get just the packages necessary for spanish?
[06:16] <ogra> jryer, do you want to install the classroom server or a workstation ? 
[06:17] <jryer> One server, the rest workstations
[06:17] <ogra> wokrstations or ltsp clients ? 
[06:19] <jryer> Workstations
[06:19] <blue-frog> jryer from a user point of view the aggravating things to install spanish would be (from least to worst), download dvd and burn it, install spanish on one laptop and then retrive the *.deb files from the cache, retrieving the *.deb files dirctly from the web site
[06:20] <ogra> jryer, then use the liveCd to install the workstations, the liveCD doesnt have any server parts on it, so there was space to add the spanish language packs (among other langs)
[06:20] <ogra> for the server side you need either the dvd (all langpacks) or network connection to get them online
[06:21] <jryer> Okay... I tried using the language packs that I have installed on UBUNTU to install on EDUBUNTU but the package installations failed. Are the packages different between edubuntu and ubuntu?
[06:22] <ogra> nope, they are 100% identical
[06:22] <ogra> but edubuntu ships some kde apps, so you need the kde langpacks as well
[06:23] <jryer> So then how do I go about installing the language packs from the cache folder on edubuntu? I have them on my USB flash.
[06:24] <ogra> you need the following packages: language-pack-es language-pack-gnome-es language-pack-kde-es and language-support-es
[06:25] <ogra> but note that language-support has many other dependencys
[06:25] <ogra> like openoffice langpacks or firefox langpacks
[06:26] <ogra> so i guess the dvd is your best bet
[06:26] <ogra> since all depending packages are on there as well
[06:27] <jryer> I have the language-support-es language-pack-es aspell-es mozilla-firefox-locale-es-ar mozilla-firefox-locale-es-es myspell-es openoffice.org2-help-es openoffice.org2-l10n-es wspanish
[06:29] <jryer> I right click and choose install package. A window pops up for the first few packages, looks like it does something and closes before I can see what happens. The openoffice packages get errors. But I log out and look to see if spanish is installed and its not there.
[06:29] <jryer> So I suppose I have to download the DVD.
[06:30] <blue-frog> ogra ow can I help translating schooltool in french?
[06:30] <ogra> blue-frog, jinty is upstream developer of it
[06:33] <jinty> blue-frog: please contact Nicolas Pettiaux who I think was working on the same thing
[06:33] <jinty> perhaps you know him already?
[06:33] <blue-frog> ok i keep the name
[06:33] <blue-frog> no
[06:34] <jinty> his mail address is nicolas.pettiaux@ael.be
[06:34] <blue-frog> ty
[06:36] <LaserJock> is schooltool installed by default in Edubuntu?
[06:36] <blue-frog> ye
[06:36] <blue-frog> s
[06:36] <blue-frog> localhost:7080
[06:37] <LaserJock> just on the server or also on the workstation install?
[06:37] <ogra> only in the server install
[06:37] <blue-frog> talking about the server myself
[06:37] <ogra> the workstation install folllows the "no open ports" policy
[06:38] <blue-frog> jinty where does schooltool hides it's file, thought it was a "web" page but apparently am wrong
[06:38] <ogra> get the package 
[06:38] <ogra> dpkg -c will tell you
[06:39] <ogra> oh, or dpkg -L schooltool
[06:39] <jinty> hide, files, where? you can try the demo at demo.schooltool.org
[06:39] <jryer> Thanks for the help, bye
[06:39] <blue-frog> no sry i explain myself wrongly
[06:39] <ogra> ciao jryer 
[06:40] <blue-frog> i thought it was fetching translation in po files for example
[06:40] <blue-frog> or whatever files..
[06:42] <blue-frog> ah locate schootool is more talkative then dpkg -L
[06:42] <blue-frog> files in /usr/lib/python...
[06:59] <jsgotangco> its oh so quiet :)
[07:00] <ogra> make some noise :)
[07:00] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:06] <pygi> lol :)
[07:09] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: you familiar with autotools ?
[07:10] <jsgotangco> no
[07:10] <Yagisan> :(
[07:10] <Yagisan> hey, who wants to answer a dumb autotools question ?
[07:11] <bddebian> Yagisan: There are no dumb questions.  Especially if I'm around :-)
[07:11] <Yagisan> heh
[07:11] <Yagisan> ok. this works AC_MSG_RESULT([$build] )
[07:11] <jsgotangco> yes there is hope then
[07:11] <Yagisan> this does not AC_MSG_RESULT([$CFLAGS] )
[07:12] <Yagisan> and I have no idea why
[07:12] <bddebian> Yagisan: Does it error or just not print?
[07:12] <Yagisan> actual results from that section are
[07:12] <Yagisan> checking target system... i586-pc-mingw32
[07:12] <Yagisan> checking CFLAGS...
[07:13] <Yagisan> completely blank
[07:14] <bddebian> Maybe CFLAGS aren't getting set?
[07:14] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's the same with everything I set though
[07:14] <bddebian> Oh, hmm
[07:14] <Yagisan> bddebian: AC_MSG_RESULT([$buildjdoom] ) does the same thing
[07:15] <Yagisan> bddebian: shall I pastebin it somewhere for you to laugh at
[07:15] <bddebian> Yagisan: I won't laugh, believe me :-)
[07:16] <Yagisan> bddebian: http://pastebin.com/739690
[07:17] <Yagisan> bddebian: it's the beginnings of a completely new build system
[07:18] <Yagisan> bddebian: has some known issues, but it actually builds the project (with less issues then the one it replaced)
[07:23] <cbx33> booooooooo-ya
[07:23] <Yagisan> bddebian: still laughing at it ?
[07:23] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33
[07:23] <cbx33> hey yagisan
[07:23] <cbx33> hi bddebian, don't see you here often
[07:24] <ogra> he joined the edubuntu RC testing team :)
[07:24] <cbx33> w00t
[07:25] <cbx33> ogra, are you interested in that vmware failure
[07:26] <ogra> in a bug, yes
[07:26] <cbx33> ok
[07:26] <cbx33> bbl, gotta eat
[07:32] <bddebian> cbx33: Yeah, I'm new ;-P
[07:38] <bddebian> Yagisan: Sorry, a salesperson grabbed me..
[07:39] <Yagisan> bddebian: don't forget to was carefully with soap then ;)
[07:40] <Yagisan> s/was/wash
[07:40] <bddebian> Heh, no kidding :-)
[07:41] <crimsun> cbx33: RE: mplayer/plugins: They were never in universe.
[07:44] <bddebian> Yagisan: What are you actually passing to configure?
[07:47] <Yagisan> bddebian: oh. for the hell of it configure -prefix=/opt/yagisan -target=i586-mingw32
[07:48] <Yagisan> bddebian: but that was just to see something other then i686-pc-linux-gnu for target and build
[07:48] <bddebian> Yagisan: OK, so you aren't passing any CFLAGS or --without-jdoom?
[07:48] <Yagisan> bddebian: nope. CFLAGS is set to -O2
[07:48] <Yagisan> bddebian: I expect to see several "yes" at the end
[07:49] <bddebian> Yagisan: For what?  jdoom, et al?
[07:49] <Yagisan> bddebian: yep
[07:49] <bddebian> No, you are only setting that to "no" if --without-X is specified
[07:49] <bddebian> At least I think
[07:49] <Yagisan> bddebian: and whatever funky CFLAGS where used
[07:49] <Yagisan> bddebian: nope. right at the top I set it to yes
[07:50] <bddebian> Oh, hehe, missed that, sorry
[07:50] <bddebian> Do you get the no if you pass --without-jdoom?
[07:53] <Yagisan> bddebian: no, but oddly enough CFLAGS now has output.
[07:55] <bddebian> heh
[07:57] <blue-frog> can edit and save a.po file qwith gedit, am trying to do so wtih a po file for schootool. I restart schooltool, but the change doesn't show
[07:58] <jinty> blue-frog: you compile the .po file to a .mo file?
[07:58] <blue-frog> ah :(
[07:58] <blue-frog> is there a command line for that?
[07:58] <jinty> are you in a schooltool checkout?
[07:58] <blue-frog> or should I use a program made to edit po files?
[07:59] <blue-frog> sry don't undersstand your question
[07:59] <jinty> then try this: man msgfmt
[07:59] <blue-frog> cool
[08:03] <bddebian> Yagisan: Can you pastebin the configure that is created from this?
[08:03] <blue-frog> ah man files are for developpers not (almost) litterate users..
[08:04] <blue-frog> msgfmt file.po -o file.mo  ?
[08:04] <blue-frog> or it is ridiculous?
[08:07] <blue-frog> nope working..
[08:12] <Yagisan> bddebian: I need a bigger pastebin
[08:17] <Yagisan> bddebian: http://paste.uni.cc/9153
[08:21] <bddebian> Uhm
[08:21] <Yagisan> bddebian: hmm. I can't find my variables in there, except where they are defined to say "no"
[08:22] <Yagisan> bddebian: even then they don't show up :(
[08:22] <bddebian> Aye
[08:24] <LaserJock> cbx33!
[08:28] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[08:29] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you publish your bzr branch? I didn't get any updates yesterday
[08:29] <cbx33> no more updates yet
[08:29] <cbx33> have been working on some other stuff unfortunately
[08:29] <cbx33> like a webdav svn server
[08:29] <LaserJock> well, but I thought you said last night that you made small changes
[08:29] <cbx33> you got any updates?
[08:30] <cbx33> hmmmi thought I'd published that
[08:30] <cbx33> maybe i didn't
[08:30] <LaserJock> no, I had lab cleanup today :-)
[08:30] <cbx33> LaserJock, did you try out the script
[08:30] <cbx33> clicking the add button
[08:30] <cbx33> and having the table cell popup with the new button in it
[08:31] <LaserJock> yeah, it kinda looked funny on my mac
[08:31] <LaserJock> but I'm going to try to work on my Ubuntu box today a bit
[08:31] <cbx33> nice
[08:31] <LaserJock> I got rid of 6 computers and 6 monitors today in the cleanup
[08:32] <LaserJock> it was hard to see them go
[08:32] <cbx33> :(
[08:33] <LaserJock> 386s and PIs and PIIs
[08:34] <LaserJock> yeah, well we have new intel iMacs so...
[08:34] <Yagisan> Intel Macs ? you poor thing
[08:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I can't put Ubuntu on it :(
[08:35] <Yagisan> could have saved some money and got a few white boxes instead
[08:35] <LaserJock> we also through out a lot of 5 1/4" floppies too
[08:35] <bddebian> heh
[08:36] <LaserJock> Yagisan: yeah, doesn't really matter though. My boss only wants macs
[08:36] <LaserJock> I told him I wanted an AMD64 and he said, nope your getting an iMac
[08:37] <Yagisan> LaserJock: your boss, not an IT guy ?
[08:37] <LaserJock> Yagisan: hehe, no. I'm a Chemistry grad  student
[08:38] <LaserJock> He hates MS and loves linux
[08:38] <Yagisan> LaserJock: that answers the question of why intel mac
[08:38] <LaserJock> but in the end (like a lot of faculty in my department) OS X is the compromise
[08:39] <jsgotangco> id like to work for your boss then
[08:39] <Yagisan> LaserJock: uhh, so he wants *you* to port Ubuntu to the Intel Mac
[08:39] <LaserJock> well, we have lots and lots of grant money
[08:39] <LaserJock> Yagisan: no, he doesn't want me to use Ubuntu
[08:39] <Yagisan> LaserJock: he's evil !!
[08:40] <LaserJock> hehe, it's ok. He is a nice guy and I just installed Ubuntu on a spare box ;-)
[08:40] <LaserJock> so I ssh a lot
[08:41] <Yagisan> bddebian: well, I can now get the "yes" printed. Unfortunately, it prints that even when it should print "no"
[08:42] <bddebian> heh
[08:57] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[08:59] <cbx33> Laser_away, ping when you are back
[09:45] <Burgwork> Amaranth, 'ello
[09:47] <Amaranth> hi
[10:13] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[10:13] <cbx33> can ESA go live on the site now?
[10:14] <cbx33> spacey, I mailed jdub about going on the planet :p
[10:16] <Bluekuja_laptop> oi pete
[10:16] <Bluekuja_laptop> cbx33: i mailed jdub for it 1 month ago :)
[10:17] <Bluekuja_laptop> cbx33: not exactly 1 month but almost 10-115 days ago
[10:17] <Bluekuja_laptop> *15
[10:25] <cbx33> Bluekuja_laptop, for your blog?
[10:25] <cbx33> right I'm off for the night
[10:25] <Bluekuja_laptop> pete yes
[10:25] <cbx33> LaserJock, i was thinking about the project
[10:26] <LaserJock> k
[10:26] <cbx33> did you want to a)
[10:26] <cbx33> have a predefined number of boxes for the vsios
[10:26] <cbx33> or make the window expandable
[10:26] <cbx33> i was trying to get the widgets stored in an array
[10:27] <cbx33> like button[0] 
[10:27] <cbx33> would be getwidget"button1"
[10:27] <cbx33> if you get my mening
[10:27] <cbx33> but couldn't get it towork
[10:27] <cbx33> have a think
[10:27] <cbx33> I'm shooting off for a while
[10:27] <cbx33> bbl
[10:28] <Bluekuja_laptop> k cya
[10:28] <LaserJock> cbx33: k
[11:21] <pygi> spacey, poke
[12:15] <blue-frog> there's a file /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/schooltoll/locales/schooltool.pot, apparently it's a compiled file but I don't understand where is the orignal file (if any)
[03:32] <Burgundavia> http://www.wolfescience.com/byojeopardy/ <-- very cool
[05:06] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you have two small kids, no?
[05:06] <jsgotangco> i have a 4 year old
[05:06] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:06] <Burgundavia> have you started them on the web yet?
[05:06] <Burgundavia> and are you familiar with a product called BumperCar?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:07] <Burgundavia> have you seen the SoC proposal called SafetyBoat?
[05:08] <Burgundavia> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ChildrensBrowser
[05:08] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:09] <Burgundavia> given it is my idea, I am chatting with guy who is going to be doing it right now
[05:09] <jsgotangco> oh?
[05:09] <Burgundavia> but IANAP, so I need help on making it actually useful
[05:10] <jsgotangco> who's mentoring it?
[05:10] <Burgundavia> dholbach
[05:10] <Burgundavia> me, unofficially
[05:11] <jsgotangco> oh okay
[05:11] <jsgotangco> i believe this is an epiphany plugin or something
[05:11] <Burgundavia> basically a giant-oversized epiphany extension
[05:12] <Burgundavia> however, there are some changes to epiphany needed, as well as communcation with other people
[05:13] <jsgotangco> it would be a great addition to edubuntu when implemented however, it'll mean having both epi and firefox in the install
[05:13] <Burgundavia> yes, but that is not too bad
[05:14] <Burgundavia> epiphany already has the lockdown keys and is much less scary development environment
[05:14] <Burgundavia> plus getting changes to epiphany is much much easier
[05:14] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:15] <jsgotangco> hvae you tried the linux version of picasa?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:15] <Burgundavia> you?
[05:15] <jsgotangco> yeah i grabbed it from mgalvin
[05:16] <jsgotangco> since i get a 404
[05:16] <jsgotangco> its built by codeweavers :)
[05:16] <Burgundavia> seems to be US only currently
[05:16] <Burgundavia> even I get a 404
[05:16] <jsgotangco> but it is surprisingly snappy for a wine app
[05:22] <jsgotangco> i dont get a 404 anymore
[05:22] <jsgotangco> it seems out in the wild now
[05:22] <Burgundavia> hmm
[05:22] <jsgotangco>  Total size: 24MB. Picasa software (9MB), Wine (12MB) and Gecko engine (3MB).
[05:22] <Burgundavia> wow
[05:23] <jsgotangco> try the direct link
[05:23] <jsgotangco> http://picasa.google.com/linux/thanks-deb.html
[05:23] <Burgundavia> however, as I said on #gnome-hackers, picasa is amazing software on Windows but merely middle of the road on Linux
[05:23] <Burgundavia> much like Firefox
[05:23] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:27] <jsgotangco> it is pretty intuitive though
[05:32] <Burgundavia> there are a few things it does that f-spot doesn;t
[05:34] <LaserJock> hehe, you guys actually *use* your computer?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> yes at night my computer is a level 8o orc raider lol
[05:35] <Burgundavia> right
[05:36] <LaserJock> mine is just a pbuilder platform
[05:36] <LaserJock> +email, irssi, and firefox
[05:36] <Burgundavia> mine if off
[05:37] <Burgundavia> is off
[07:04] <mgalvin> JaneW: ping
[07:27] <jsgotangco> she usually doesn't do the online thing on weekends
[07:28] <jsgotangco> ogra: we're missing a gartoon icon for xchat-gnome :/
[07:28] <mgalvin> JaneW: unping
[07:28] <mgalvin> ok thanks jsgotangco
[07:28] <mgalvin> i send the email just a min ago anyways
[09:02] <pygi> Hi all
[09:26] <Burgundavia> salut pygi 
[09:26] <pygi> Hey Burgundavia :)
[09:43] <pygi> jsgotangco, around?
[09:55] <jsgotangco> pygi: hi barely though, my daughter is playing with the computer
[09:56] <pygi> jsgotangco, ah,nevermind then :)
[09:56] <jsgotangco> ill be back around or email
[09:56] <pygi> enjoy
[11:32] <juliux> morning
[11:41] <n1ws1> we want to install edubuntu
[11:42] <ogra> n1ws1, http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
[11:43] <n1ws1> we want direct cafe in edubuntu
[11:43] <n1ws1> we are in cameroon and we are working
[11:44] <highvoltage> direct cafe? that's from direqlearn, right?
[11:44] <michel> hello Iam in Cameroon and we have difficulties to install cyber cafe .
[11:44] <michel> yes 
[11:45] <n1ws1> yes
[11:45] <michel> how can we insall
[11:45] <highvoltage> michel, n1ws1: is this the same place you're working at?
[11:46] <highvoltage> it's been ages since i've even looked at direct cafe, but as far as i know, it's designed for slackware
[11:46] <highvoltage> so you probably have a .tar.gz file, right?
[11:46] <n1ws1> yes
[11:46] <ogra> highvoltage, do you have an url ? seems not even google points me anywhere
[11:47] <ogra> highvoltage, btw, the gettingstarted css explodes for me ... somehow the menu gets pushed out of the site by the screenshots it seems
[11:48] <michel> I dont have any idea of how to install the cyber but I can work with edubuntu
[11:49] <michel> so pleas do me a favour to give me the necessary instructions 
[11:50] <highvoltage> ogra: it's a product from http://www.getopenlab.com , but i can't find a link to it from their site
[11:50] <highvoltage> michel, n1ws1: where did you download it from?
[11:50] <ogra> i never heard of it ...
[11:50] <highvoltage> michel, n1ws1: we can only help you if we have a copy too, and I'm not even sure that it would work with edubuntu, since openlab uses ltsp.org
[11:51] <highvoltage> ogra: I know the author, he's ignorant and loud, and it's probably not edubuntu worthy
[11:51] <ogra> http://getopenlab.com/olmambo/content/view/1127/50/
[11:51] <ogra> got it
[11:51] <highvoltage> (well, kind of know, anyway)
[11:51] <ogra> looking fod direct cafe doesnt help much if the name is direqcafe ;)
[11:52] <ogra> i bet that works only with xdmcp based ltsp
[11:54] <ogra> bah, and its gtk1.2, nothing we can include by default
[11:54] <highvoltage> ogra: on the css, i'll look at that again today, and fix the white stripe at the bottom too, and some other polishings
[11:54] <highvoltage> wow, i didn't realise it was *that* bad
[11:54] <highvoltage> ogra: you'll probably come across lots of software for education written by A.J. Venter, if I can give you any advice: avoid it :)
[11:54] <ogra> but if i had known about it 6 weeks ago we could have made it a SoC project, damned
[11:55] <ogra> highvoltage, it has good concepts, if you find a decent programmer to rewrite it it can get good ;)
[11:56] <ogra> ugh, direqcafe is delphi ?? thats for windows, isnt it ? 
[11:56] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[11:56] <ogra> ah, no linux version is in freepascal ...
[11:56] <highvoltage> ogra: *nods*
[11:56] <ogra> hi jsgAWAY 
[11:56] <highvoltage> hey jsgotangco :)
[11:57] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: glad you're taking up the newsletter
[11:57] <highvoltage> i think the newsletter will be great
[11:58] <jsgotangco> thank you
[11:59] <ogra> phew, this software wont work with ubuntu :/ 
[12:01] <ogra> n1ws1, that software wont run on a standard ubuntu system, i fear you have to contact the author to ask hinm to adjust it
[12:02] <ogra> oh, did i scare him ? 
[12:02] <highvoltage> i dunno. perhaps :/
[12:03] <highvoltage> if he hung around a bit more, you couldn've told him about the future edubuntu plans, at least :/
[12:03] <ogra> yeah
[12:03] <ogra> for two of the functions dieqcafe offers he could even use s-c-p
[12:03] <highvoltage> the openlab software has lots of credibility within the government education parts here in south africa
[12:03] <highvoltage> lots of people know about it
[12:04] <highvoltage> but openlab is very hacky, and i would far recommend edubuntu above it
[12:04] <highvoltage> (not because i'm biased, of course)
[12:04] <ogra> yeah, but gtk1.2 is already a blocker to even get it to main
[12:04] <ogra> we'll need more programmers or people writing stuff for us ...
[12:05] <highvoltage> i've thought about that this week, and i spend too much time doing stuff i think it's important, but it keeps me distracted from what i really want to do
[12:06] <highvoltage> previously i wouldn've jumped to something like the newsletter, because it will be great for edubuntu
[12:07] <highvoltage> but i'm going to gradually focuss more on working with you to get edubuntu things working better
[12:07] <ogra> thats a great plan ...
[12:07] <ogra> :)
[12:07] <highvoltage> there's lots of other people who want to do documentation and website stuff.
[12:07] <highvoltage> :)
[12:07] <highvoltage> glad you feel that way.
[12:08] <ogra> doc is always an easy entry point its good to leave that to newcomers, look at cbx33 ... he started with writing ltsp manpages and now already gets a pygtk course from Laser_away :)
[12:08] <ogra> in 6 months he'll help with packaging :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> heh so you're saying...we're slacking....
[12:09] <highvoltage> cbx33 is really great though :)
[12:09] <ogra> nah
[12:09] <jsgotangco> :D
[12:09] <highvoltage> he sets an amazing example for futrue edubuntu members :)
[12:09] <ogra> yep
[12:10] <highvoltage> packaging is something i want to be good at just because i think it's important for any ubuntu developer to be good at it,
[12:10] <highvoltage> but not necassarily beacuse i want to maintain lots of packages.
[12:10] <ogra> well, even if youre bad at it, thta suffices, we have revu ;)
[12:11] <highvoltage> i can put basic packages together, our ubuntu tuxlab setup will be mostly debianised when we do the dapper rollout
[12:11] <highvoltage> no more 'just copying over files' ;)
[12:12] <ogra> highvoltage, thats really trivial to package ... look at edubuntu-docs its just copying files ;)
[12:12] <highvoltage> yeah, i've noticed :)
[12:13] <jsgotangco> i'll try packaging non-invasive apps like docs for starters i guess
[12:13] <highvoltage> ogra: i've wanted to package something, even simple, for edubuntu. but i have to become a motu first, and then a main contributer, right?
[12:13] <jsgotangco> no
[12:13] <ogra> nope
[12:13] <jsgotangco> you no need to be motu to push
[12:13] <ogra> everybody can just package and upload to revu 
[12:13] <highvoltage> aaah
[12:14] <highvoltage> ogra: is this explained on a wiki page? i'm hungry for more info :)
[12:14] <ogra> MOTUs will review and critisize it there, if the packaging is ok then, someone will upload it for you
[12:14] <highvoltage> ah great
[12:14] <jsgotangco> crash course heh
[12:15] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[12:16] <ogra> oh, and dont miss Laser_away's wonderful packaging guide ;)
[12:16] <ogra> its in yelp in the default install 
[12:16] <jsgotangco> yes
[12:16] <jsgotangco> i actually got it on the first try
[12:19] <highvoltage> wow, i haven't seen this packaging guide in help before... cool!
[12:19] <jsgotangco> :P
[12:20] <ogra> highvoltage, we'll need to update the screenshots on gettingstarted, there were a lot changes (i.e. usplash, the CD menu has completely changed and indeed the theme doesnt match yet)
[12:21] <ogra> for the theme stuff, you can grab the shots of edubuntu-docs 
[12:24] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, will do. i'll do a new installation under vmware this evening and update
[12:24] <Bluekuja> hello ogra, highvoltage
[12:24] <highvoltage> hey Bluekuja 
[12:24] <Bluekuja> :)
[12:24] <ogra> hey Bluekuja 
[12:24] <highvoltage> long time no se
[12:24] <highvoltage> see
[12:25] <Bluekuja> yeah. I'm alwais around but in this period I'm really really busy working on packages and edubuntu-it
[12:25] <highvoltage> great
[12:25] <Bluekuja> getting started in italian is almost translated
[12:25] <highvoltage> oooh!
[12:25] <Bluekuja> edubuntu FAQ already done
[12:26] <Bluekuja> forum is online now
[12:26] <jsgotangco> ogra: is there anything to mention for development?
[12:26] <ogra> in the FAQ ?
[12:26] <jsgotangco> newsletter heh
[12:26] <jsgotangco> im doing a draft later
[12:27] <ogra> oh, only that testing and fixing of the last major bugs is going on
[12:27] <ogra> s/testing/CD testing/
[12:27] <jsgotangco> hmmm we're so close to relesae
[12:27] <ogra> a call for testers and a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current might be a bit late though
[12:28] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: jon, when getting started translation is finished I ping you, so maybe you can add a link in the website
[12:28] <jsgotangco> its probably much better to release a newsletter on release
[12:28] <ogra> yep
[12:29] <pygi> highvoltage, jsgotangco , poke?
[12:29] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:30] <Bluekuja> ooh pygi
[12:30] <highvoltage> Bluekuja: for sure
[12:30] <pygi> Hey Andrea
[12:30] <highvoltage> pygi: pokeback
[12:30] <Bluekuja> highvoltage: tnx jon
[12:30] <pygi> jsgotangco, highvoltage , I'll make a LP team
[12:30] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:30] <highvoltage> pygi: ok, remember to make jsgotangco an administrator though
[12:31] <highvoltage> since he's leading it :)
[12:31] <pygi> yes, yes,ok :)
[12:31] <Bluekuja> pygi: mario not more in #ubuntu-it?
[12:31] <Bluekuja> hehe
[12:31] <pygi> Bluekuja, no need :P
[12:31] <jsgotangco> this is like splitting -traffic into 3
[12:31] <Bluekuja> xD
[12:32] <pygi> wth? I lost adress bar in epiphany? :-/
[12:32] <ogra> hmm, why did nobody report that the cursor theme is broken on the edubuntu RC, damned
[12:32] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: can you then add Newsletter to the documentation part next to your name on /EdubuntuWiki?
[12:32] <ogra> guys TEST the isos and report bugs, its the last chance to get them fixed !
[12:33] <highvoltage> shit, i downloaded the iso but at work. i'll drive there in 15 minutes and rsync (from thursday's iso) and test pronto!
[12:33] <jsgotangco> good thing i have my iso here
[12:33] <ogra> highvoltage, take your time, i'm just wondering why nobody noticed it :)
[01:05] <loogaroo> hi all
[01:05] <highvoltage> hi loogaroo 
[01:10] <loogaroo> does someone know, where the docs,bug reports and howtos for LTSP for dapper are?
[01:10] <pygi> jsgotangco, you'll have to make team
[01:10] <pygi> on "contact mail" it says my mail is already taken (!!?)
[01:11] <jsgotangco> no worries ill do it later
[01:12] <ogra> loogaroo, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bugs
[01:12] <ogra> loogaroo, best howto is currently this channel ;) 
[01:13] <ogra> there are manpages for ltsp-build-client, ltsp-update-sshkeys, ltsp-update-kernels incluede in the package
[01:13] <loogaroo> thx, I looked on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/ltsp/+bugs
[01:19] <lucasvo> ogra: which image should one test?
[01:20] <ogra> recent dailies :) 
[01:20] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[01:21] <juliux> hi ogra 
[01:21] <lucasvo> current?
[01:21] <lucasvo> wow
[01:21] <lucasvo> new icons :)
[01:21] <juliux> ogra, what do you think about this http://212.63.81.40/detail.php?ART=25221 ?
[01:23] <ogra> juliux, well, given that the last 5 i bought from you costed a lot less its quite expensive, but should work fine ;)
[01:23] <ogra> or is this 79 for all 7 ?
[01:24] <ogra> "- Sound: onBoard, SB kompatibel" is always a bit worrying
[01:24] <lucasvo> soundblaster is not supported well?
[01:25] <ogra> sb comaptible ....
[01:25] <juliux> ogra, no 79 for one
[01:25] <ogra> means you likely have an ISA onboard soundcard
[01:25] <lucasvo> juliux: thats a lot
[01:25] <juliux> ogra, but you get a better price as a e.v.
[01:25] <juliux> lucasvo, its cheaper then on ebay ;)
[01:26] <ogra> lucasvo, which additionally means you have to run isapnp and do other manual fuss to get it running
[01:26] <lucasvo> juliux: what for do you need it?
[01:26] <juliux> lucasvo, as thinclient ;)
[01:26] <lucasvo> they aren't real thin clients
[01:27] <lucasvo> torrents are slow
[01:27] <ogra> lucasvo, what are "real thin clients" then ? 
[01:28] <lucasvo> http://cgi.ebay.de/Compaq-Thin-Client-Evo-T30-Win-XP-300MHz-256MB-84252_W0QQitemZ9731083629QQcategoryZ65570QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[01:28] <lucasvo> ogra: without 10gb hard disk
[01:28] <lucasvo> :)
[01:28] <ogra> well, you can just take it out
[01:29] <juliux> lucasvo, i need some thinclients for me privat, i only want to use thinclients at home
[01:29] <lucasvo> http://cgi.ebay.de/COMPAQ-iPAQ-Shuttle-Thin-Client-1GHz-256MB-20GB-CD-ROM_W0QQitemZ8816738943QQcategoryZ77191QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <
[01:29] <lucasvo> the same
[01:30] <lucasvo> but it has CD and even 20gb hard disk :)
[01:30] <ogra> hey, 10 only :)
[01:32] <lucasvo> juliux: you have also one of these wyse thin clients without psu?
[01:32] <juliux> lucasvo, i have wyse thinclients but i havent test it with linux
[01:33] <lucasvo> ogra: how is the linux support for wyse 3360?
[01:33] <ogra> no idea
[01:34] <lucasvo> you can buy them there for 6 EUR
[01:35] <jsgotangco> freakin humidity
[01:38] <loogaroo> is it with a dapper ltsp setup now possible to discover a serial mouse?
[01:39] <ogra> loogaroo, yep, via lts.conf
[01:40] <ogra> there is no possible way to autodetect serial mice and when i started a call for help on the mailing list to get some data for a possible detect algorithm i only recieved 3 datasets
[01:40] <ogra> which didnt get me anwhere indeed
[01:40] <ogra> loogaroo, btw, there is also an #edubuntu-de channel ;)
[01:41] <loogaroo> oh :)
[01:41] <ogra> (even nearly everybody in there is also here :) )
[01:59] <jsgotangco> im sorry to hear about the serial mouse issue
[02:00] <ogra> its fine, you just need to set it manually 
[02:01] <ogra> at least that works now (for ubuntu as well as for ltsp)
[02:01] <jsgotangco> (not to mention they are a rarity)
[02:02] <ogra> given the amount of complaints that autodetection doesnt work for serial mice, my impression is they are very widely used :)
[02:02] <ogra> but given the feedback on my call for data i tend to agree with you :)
[02:02] <highvoltage> serial mice are also likely to be non-optical, which means that it's also probably way over end-of-life for some time
[02:03] <ogra> btw, there is still X_MOUSE_DEV=/dev/psaux in gettingstarted ...
[02:03] <ogra> please remove that 
[02:04] <jsgotangco> ahh it started to rain
[02:04] <jsgotangco> cooling down a bit
[02:06] <jsgotangco> what's the weather like in europe at this time?
[02:07] <loogaroo> jsgotangco: 21C in Vienna
[02:08] <jsgotangco> that's not so bad
[02:12] <highvoltage> feels like about 15C in cape town... brrrr
[02:14] <jsgotangco> it was around 36C here till it rained
[02:14] <spacey> its 15 here too
[02:14] <spacey> the rainy netherlands
[02:15] <ogra> here as well
[02:15] <ogra> even its still dry
[02:15] <ogra> but looks like it'll rain soon
[02:15] <jsgotangco> summer is about to end here
[02:17] <ogra> it didnt even start here
[02:23] <lucasvo> :(
[02:24] <spacey> the netherlands had 2 weeks of "summer". now its gone again
[02:31] <jsgotangco> i gotta go
[02:31] <jsgotangco> have a good weekend all
[02:32] <highvoltage> cheers jsgotangco 
[02:40] <lucasvo> ogra: landscape?
[02:40] <ogra> apt-cache show landscape-client
[02:45] <lucasvo> ogra: you can already begin to make an webversion of ltspadmin :)
[02:45] <ogra> nope, thats the job of our landscape department
[02:46] <lucasvo> so why do you develop ltspadmin at all it's gonne be replaced by landscape?
[02:46] <ogra> landscape is a webtool
[02:46] <ogra> i'm not intrested at all in web based tools
[02:47] <lucasvo> at least it's a standard that looks the same on all sorts of OS
[02:48] <ogra> landscape wont run on other OSs
[02:49] <lucasvo> no, but the client is able to even use his nokia 700 to view the interface
[02:49] <ogra> while LTSPManager will run on all OSs that use our ltsp
[02:50] <lucasvo> the new official version of ltsp, will it be the one you developed or will they change it?
[02:50] <ogra> ltsp.org will never be the same as ours, its not possible
[02:50] <lucasvo> why?
[02:51] <ogra> look at the implementation
[02:51] <lucasvo> in the wiki of ltsp they said that the muecow will be used for the next release...
[02:51] <ogra> how ?
[02:51] <ogra> thats technically not possible
[02:51] <ogra> muecow can only be developed inside a distro
[02:52] <ogra> ltsp.org ltsp is built to run on *all* distros possible
[02:52] <ogra> so there is no way to make ltsp.org ltsp be muecow
[04:05] <ogra> highvoltage, do you have a gpg key ?
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: yep
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: it's at http://launchpad.net/people/jonathan
[04:06] <highvoltage> ogra: why?
[04:06] <ogra> to sign it if we meet in paris ;)
[04:08] <highvoltage> cool :)
[04:08] <ogra> heh
[04:08] <highvoltage> (at least we have an apt-proxy, so the abuse wouldn't be *that* bad)
[04:08] <ogra> mirroring the whole archive ? 
[04:08] <highvoltage> well, at least main for now
[04:08] <ogra> woah
[04:09] <ogra> thats still some 100G
[04:09] <ogra> 200 i think
[04:09] <highvoltage> oh, i mean...
[04:09] <highvoltage> universe multiverse and main for i386, just binaries
[04:09] <highvoltage> i think that's 11GB or so
[04:09] <highvoltage> after that i'll probably do source
[04:10] <highvoltage> hi cbx33 
[04:10] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[04:10] <cbx33> hi everyone
[04:10] <highvoltage> about ESA...
[04:10] <highvoltage> it's really so nice, wouldn't it be best to use that as the new front page?
[04:11] <cbx33> highvoltage, that's up to you
[04:11] <cbx33> I'm perfectly happy with that
[04:11] <cbx33> if you and everyone else is
[04:13] <highvoltage> ogra: do you have a few seconds, could you look at http://www.edubuntu.org/node/16 ?
[04:14] <highvoltage> ogra: do you think it should be a seperate page, or the home page of edubuntu.org? i think it really just needs the manifesto.
[04:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you have the original screenshots that's on that page?
[04:15] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm sure we could just include the manifesto in ESA
[04:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[04:15] <cbx33> original screenshots?
[04:15] <highvoltage> yeah, the full size screenshots
[04:15] <cbx33> Yes I have the individal screenshots....
[04:16] <cbx33> I was going to make it so we could link them in
[04:16] <cbx33> where you have like a group of 3
[04:16] <cbx33> that was going to link to a page, where there would be those 3 and possibly more for that group
[04:16] <ogra> highvoltage, do you want to put the manifesto above or below the access denied message ? :P
[04:16] <cbx33> does that sound reasonable?
[04:16] <cbx33> hehe
[04:16] <cbx33> highvoltage, can we publish the page now ?
[04:16] <cbx33> :p
[04:16] <cbx33> hehehehe
[04:17] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, it's still unpublished!
[04:17] <highvoltage> (d'oh)
[04:17] <ogra> :)
[04:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes please. at least so that ogra can read it :)
[04:17] <cbx33> I wouldn't publish till you said so :p
[04:17] <highvoltage> cbx33: :)
[04:17] <ogra> DOIT!
[04:17] <cbx33> ....published.....
[04:18] <highvoltage> cbx33: another thing that would be nice, if the edubuntu logo comes off (since it is on the banner already) and the circle of friends is added in there
[04:18] <cbx33> sure
[04:18] <cbx33> c..c..c..can ..y...y..y.ou...ssss.s.ssseee it now ogra
[04:19] <ogra> isnt that a bit much for a homepage ? 
[04:19] <highvoltage> it is quite, hey
[04:19] <ogra> i agree, the content is great, but i'd rather split it in separate sections (like its done in docbook already iirc)
[04:20] <ogra> thats very much info for an initial startpage
[04:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, so let's keep it a seperate page and take some of the most relevant parts to the front page at some stage
[04:21] <highvoltage> cbx33: where should that page link from?
[04:21] <cbx33> ogra, what about having links through to the relevant sections on seperate pages?
[04:21] <cbx33> like a maths page?
[04:21] <highvoltage> cbx33: and please add a /friendlyurl :)
[04:21] <cbx33> highvoltage, in the aliases?
[04:22] <cbx33> in your aliases list highvoltage could we edit Glossary to have a small letter
[04:22] <cbx33> unlessyou've linked to it already
[04:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: it's under URL path settings
[04:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: i thought about it too, but ogra suggested we use WikiStyle, hence the 'Glossary'
[04:22] <cbx33> ok
[04:23] <highvoltage> although, all small letters tend to look better in a url
[04:23] <highvoltage> i wonder if drupal knows the difference... let's just check on that
[04:23] <cbx33> that's what I thought....we just need to keep consistency
[04:23] <highvoltage> wicked
[04:23] <cbx33> it doesn't care
[04:23] <highvoltage> it doesn't :)
[04:23] <cbx33> :p
[04:23] <highvoltage> in that case, let's keep it consistent wiki style
[04:23] <cbx33> ok
[04:24] <cbx33> InSchool ?
[04:24] <highvoltage> cbx33: rename at will! (only case changes, of course)
[04:24] <highvoltage> perhaps something more descriptive
[04:24] <cbx33> EdubuntuInSchools
[04:24] <cbx33> UsingEdubuntuInSchools
[04:24] <highvoltage> edubuntuforschools EdubuntuForSchools
[04:24] <cbx33> HowToEffectivelyUseEdubuntuInTheModernSchool
[04:25] <highvoltage> (i think)
[04:25] <cbx33> :p
[04:25] <cbx33> np
[04:25] <highvoltage> then it lokos ok in lowercase and WikiStyle
[04:25] <cbx33> ok
[04:25] <cbx33> so do you want me to go ahead and modify all the aliases for the other pages?
[04:25] <highvoltage> if you have other suggestions, please tell, you've done most of the work on this and it's your choice too :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, i'll do it too, but more eyes are better :)
[04:26] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage 
[04:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, what's the diff between node/8 and node/9
[04:27] <cbx33> there are two aliases
[04:28] <cbx33> they point to the two pages
[04:28] <cbx33>  /news and news
[04:28] <cbx33> All aliases have been changed
[04:28] <highvoltage> node 9 is the proper one
[04:28] <highvoltage> node 8 i think is an old one
[04:29] <cbx33> is node8 for deletion?
[04:29] <cbx33> can i remove the alias?
[04:29] <highvoltage> yep
[04:29] <cbx33> shall i delete the page now too?
[04:30] <highvoltage> yep
[04:30] <cbx33> done
[04:30] <cbx33> what's
[04:30] <cbx33> http://www.edubuntu.org/node/6
[04:30] <pygi> spacey, poke
[04:30] <spacey> pong
[04:30] <cbx33> and http://www.edubuntu.org/node/10
[04:31] <highvoltage> same
[04:31] <cbx33> spacey, i set a mail to jdub, but Bluekuja said he did that a few weeks ago and hasn't heard anything yet - just to keep you updated
[04:31] <lucasvo> this is a good design
[04:31] <cbx33> so 6 and 10 can go?
[04:31] <cbx33> lucasvo, how goes the journal design?
[04:31] <highvoltage> was the /6 the Khangman one? i think i deleted it while you asked :)
[04:31] <cbx33> ok
[04:31] <highvoltage> lucasvo: what? you like the design!? wow!!!
[04:31] <highvoltage> :)
[04:32] <cbx33> way to go highvoltage 
[04:32] <pygi> spacey, what happened witht he book? :(
[04:32] <lucasvo> If it's possible I would make a concave border next to the Navigation box
[04:32] <lucasvo> a smother transition from header to menu
[04:32] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i see what you mean
[04:33] <cbx33> highvoltage, or a dashed line running down the left of the navigation
[04:33] <cbx33> just to break it up
[04:33] <highvoltage> i thought about that too, i initially thought of having a solid, lighter edubuntu-red line
[04:33] <highvoltage> that's so css 1.0 :)
[04:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: no problem :)
[04:33] <lucasvo> cbx33: a friend will do the design
[04:34] <lucasvo> cbx33: one should include the edubuntu newsletter
[04:34] <spacey> pygi: what happened?
[04:34] <ogra> the fridge will have the newsletter 
[04:34] <pygi> spacey, well, you wrote nothing? :-/
[04:34] <spacey> i did
[04:34] <highvoltage> cbx33: so, where should we link to EdubuntuForSchool?
[04:34] <spacey> except last chapter
[04:35] <pygi> hm, I see nothing on the wiki? :-/
[04:35] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/ThinClientIntroduction
[04:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you update the link to the meeting minutes
[04:35] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/HardwareRequirements
[04:35] <highvoltage> cbx33: i don't think i did. remind me?
[04:36] <cbx33> highvoltage, where you have a link to meeting logs
[04:36] <pygi> spacey, ah, you need to link to if from worksheet
[04:36] <spacey> i have to hurry to shop now
[04:36] <spacey> else i don't have white russians tonight
[04:36] <highvoltage> ah, right!
[04:36] <spacey> pygi: i didn't know that
[04:36] <lucasvo> highvoltage: if it's possible, I would make the copyright line the whole width
[04:36] <pygi> spacey, ah
[04:36] <spacey> anyway, bbl
[04:36] <pygi> spacey, just look at how worksheet looks now
[04:36] <lucasvo> so that there isn't any yellow menu next to it
[04:37] <spacey> :)
[04:37] <lucasvo> *russian
[04:37] <cbx33> wouldn't either a replacement to point to the minutes
[04:37] <cbx33> or add an extra link to the minutes
[04:37] <cbx33> what do yo uthink?
[04:37] <cbx33> ogra, mind if I ask a quick python quesiton?
[04:37] <ogra> cbx33, shoot
[04:37] <cbx33> and highvoltage to keep with the wikistyle names....the getting started link on the right should link to GettingStarted
[04:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: mind making a list of your suggestions? i'm frying some bigger fish on the site right now specifically, and wouldn't want to forget your great suggestions
[04:38] <cbx33> ogra, how can i store widgets in an array?
[04:38] <highvoltage> (agreed on the whole-width copyright line (btw)
[04:38] <cbx33> wanna chat about it in pm?
[04:38] <lucasvo> ogra: I'm fine with this, you'll pay it?
[04:38] <ogra> cbx33, we can do it here
[04:38] <lucasvo> highvoltage: ok
[04:38] <cbx33> ok
[04:38] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok
[04:38] <cbx33> ogra, I have a table of widgets....
[04:39] <cbx33> a column of entry boxes, and 2 buttons associated with each
[04:39] <ogra> cbx33, widget[0]  = gtk.Widget(something)
[04:39] <cbx33> that's what I tried
[04:39] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:39] <ogra> (indeed the array must exist before and be initialized)
[04:39] <cbx33> ahh
[04:39] <cbx33> ogra, ...sorry to be stupid
[04:39] <cbx33> how do i define an array for that usage
[04:39] <ogra> its very ugly, i'd rather have all widgets in glade already and show7hide them
[04:40] <cbx33> ok
[04:40] <cbx33> well, I'm doing it that way now
[04:40] <ogra> widget[] =""
[04:40] <cbx33> but if I wanted to checkthrough them all
[04:40] <ogra> ^^^ initialize 
[04:40] <cbx33> ok thanx
[04:40] <ogra> at the top of your function
[04:40] <cbx33> excellent thank you ogra 
[04:40] <cbx33> would you believe we even have a bzr branch for it now :D
[04:41] <ogra> nice ! :)
[04:41] <cbx33> yup
[04:41] <cbx33> gISOMount is coming along nicely
[04:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: we already have a MeetingLogs under QuickLinks
[04:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: where should that point to?
[04:42] <cbx33> highvoltage, yes I know, iwas saying either edit that to point to the minutes....
[04:42] <cbx33> or add a new link to the minutes
[04:42] <cbx33> just a suggestion
[04:42] <cbx33> i wonder if the minutes should be stored in drupal
[04:42] <cbx33> instead of on the wiki
[04:42] <cbx33> under the guise that they shoulnd't need to be edited by lots of people
[04:42] <cbx33> or added to
[04:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think wiki for now is best
[04:42] <cbx33> ok
[04:42] <cbx33> sure ;)
[04:43] <lucasvo> highvoltage: what's your mail address?
[04:43] <lucasvo> or your LP name?
[04:43] <highvoltage> lucasvo: jonathan
[04:44] <cbx33> ogra, in glade, how can I grey a box out
[04:44] <cbx33> so a button cannot be pressed
[04:44] <ogra> set_sensitive
[04:44] <cbx33> ok cool
[04:44] <cbx33> same for a text entry field?
[04:44] <lucasvo> highvoltage: sent
[04:45] <ogra> for every widget+
[04:46] <highvoltage> lucasvo: thanks!
[04:46] <cbx33> highvoltage, what do you think about the link?
[04:47] <highvoltage> cbx33: i looked on the wiki, but it seems that that is the page where edubuntu meeting minutes are linked from
[04:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: is there even an edubuntu specific page with links to the specific minutes?
[04:48] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:48] <cbx33> hang on
[04:48] <cbx33> highvoltage, i was talking about should we have a link to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingRecordsNew
[04:49] <highvoltage> aaaah
[04:49] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm curious did you make the khangman screenshot on the front page?
[04:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes. why?
[04:50] <lucasvo> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuForSchools < the paragraph Common questions should be a link to the FAQ
[04:50] <cbx33> hehe
[04:50] <cbx33> you didn;t by any change type in edubuntu as the letters for your guesses did you ???? :p
[04:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes. i *must* have hidden messages in my khangman screenshots. it's an edubuntu tradition!
[04:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: previous messages in the khangman screenshots have been controversial ;)
[04:51] <cbx33> no no, I did nthe same when i did my screen shot
[04:51] <ogra> oh yes, it was very controversial :)
[04:52] <cbx33> what was it
[04:52] <cbx33> doooo tell
[04:52] <cbx33> highvoltage, I've noticed a slight problem with the edubuntu.org site, when viewed in konqueror
[04:52] <cbx33> if you size it smaller, the nav jumps down to below the text
[04:52] <lucasvo> highvoltage: could you please add a login box to the site?
[04:52] <cbx33> lucasvo, not needed 
[04:52] <highvoltage> lucasvo: we'll add it when znarl sorts out the mail
[04:52] <cbx33> :p
[04:53] <lucasvo> cbx33: how should on login?
[04:53] <highvoltage> lucasvo: before he does that there's little point, since people can't register themselves
[04:53] <cbx33> edubuntu.org/?q=user
[04:53] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I would like to login :)
[04:53] <highvoltage> just go to /user/login
[04:53] <ogra> the website itself should stay closed as the ubuntu one is
[04:53] <ogra> only the community parts in it should be editable
[04:53] <cbx33> brb
[04:54] <highvoltage> ogra: people who get login access won't automatically be able to edit pages
[04:54] <ogra> yes, thats what i mean ...
[04:54] <ogra> only fo rthe forum or howto sections 
[04:54] <highvoltage> ogra: only people who i add to the 'editors' group, such as yourself, pips1, cbx33 and lucasvo can edit
[04:54] <ogra> yep
[04:54] <lucasvo> *lol*
[04:54] <highvoltage> forum? :(
[04:55] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I don't get the forgot password mail
[04:55] <ogra> also wasnt it planned to attach it to LP before release ? 
[04:55] <lucasvo> ogra: you mean the login?
[04:55] <ogra> lucasvo, yes, that was a requirement
[04:55] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it was, but LP admins said that they won't auth across boxes from LP, and they consider drupal too insecure to run on the same box as LP
[04:56] <ogra> so you can use your LP login like everywhere else
[04:56] <highvoltage> ogra: so it doesn't seam that we'll have LP auth with drupal any time soon :/
[04:56] <ogra> then we wont have a forum etc ...
[04:56] <ogra> :/
[04:56] <highvoltage> ogra: do we really want a forum?
[04:56] <ogra> users want one
[04:56] <highvoltage> *sigh* you're right
[04:56] <lucasvo> ogra: ubuntuforums.org?
[04:56] <cbx33> an official one
[04:56] <ogra> i have many german teachers that are interested
[04:57] <lucasvo> forum is like faq
[04:57] <ogra> ??
[04:57] <lucasvo> it just shows that the documentation is incomplete
[04:57] <ogra> forum has several other purposes
[04:57] <cbx33> ogra -   File "./gisomount", line 46
[04:57] <cbx33>     button[] =""
[04:57] <highvoltage> the thing about forums is, people who tend to be knowledgable don't participate ther
[04:57] <highvoltage> so it ends up being very noisy places with very low signal ratios
[04:58] <cbx33> highvoltage, yes, they tend to use ML's instead
[04:58] <ogra> thats fine for our purpose
[04:58] <highvoltage> ok :)
[04:58] <lucasvo> highvoltage: they aren't in #ubuntu either :) 
[04:58] <cbx33> it didn't like that ogra
[04:58] <ogra> they can discuss teaqching material etc
[04:58] <ogra> its not supposed to be a technical help center
[04:58] <ogra> and the demand for it stands since more than 7 months now
[04:59] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I'd disagree with your forum is like a faq statement
[04:59] <lucasvo> highvoltage: could you please reset my password, since I can't change mine. I don't get the mails
[04:59] <lucasvo> Yagisan: of course it's not 100% true
[04:59] <lucasvo> but in several ways it is.
[04:59] <lucasvo> especially howto forums
[04:59] <Yagisan> lucasvo: none of my projects use a forum as a faq
[04:59] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, then let's have the forums. they won't be able to log in with LP accounts though, but I think we can survive until we get that without it
[05:00] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ok
[05:00] <ogra> highvoltage, nope, i'll try to arrange soemthing different during edgy
[05:00] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[05:00] <ogra> we can ask for a subsection on ubuntuusers for now
[05:01] <lucasvo> yeah
[05:01] <highvoltage> ogra: with 'something', you mean LP auth?
[05:01] <ogra> even i'm not happy about that
[05:01] <lucasvo> ogra: maybe even ubuntuusers.de for german teachers
[05:01] <cbx33> highvoltage, http://www.progbox.co.uk/Screenshot-4.png
[05:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: ouch, i see what you mean. i thought you meant something else
[05:02] <cbx33> nope...just thought I'd mention it
[05:02] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm not following you. are you unhappy about not having forums, or the lp auth?
[05:02] <cbx33> ogra, any reason why that python line failed
[05:02] <cbx33> button[] =""
[05:02] <cbx33>   File "./gisomount", line 46
[05:02] <ogra> probably its =''
[05:02] <cbx33>     button[] =""
[05:02] <cbx33>            ^
[05:02] <cbx33> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[05:03] <cbx33> oh ok
[05:03] <ogra> or button=[] 
[05:03] <ogra> not sure, i'm currently not doing any py
[05:03] <cbx33> ok....
[05:03] <cbx33> i had button=[]  before
[05:04] <cbx33> and that works but when i come to add something....it doeslike it.... - eg  button[0] =gtk.Button("New")
[05:04] <cbx33> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:04] <cbx33>   File "./gisomount", line 47, in on_add
[05:04] <cbx33>     button[0] =gtk.Button("New")
[05:04] <cbx33> IndexError: list assignment index out of range
[05:04] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/hwdb-client/hwdb-gui
[05:04] <ogra> see there
[05:04] <cbx33> ok
[05:05] <ogra> but as i said, every py programmer will scream 
[05:05] <ogra> so rather do it in glade
[05:05] <ogra> and use hide/show
[05:05] <cbx33> ok
[05:07] <cbx33> then i suppose when I'm trying to refernece, I can use string conc***** what ever it's called, to choose like "button"+count
[05:07] <lucasvo> cbx33: do you agree if I merge the Common questions of EforSchools with the EFAQ?
[05:07] <cbx33> to get button1
[05:07] <cbx33> lucasvo, do you mean replace parts of ESA
[05:07] <lucasvo> cbx33: I could make a link to the faq
[05:08] <lucasvo> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuForSchools
[05:08] <cbx33> I would prefer adding a link to the FAQ
[05:08] <cbx33> then I can do the same in the ESA document that is in the svn repo
[05:08] <lucasvo> cbx33: I added the common questions to the faq
[05:08] <lucasvo> now, can I remove this section and make a link to the faq?
[05:09] <cbx33> I'd prefer it if you didn't remove..... ogra highvoltage what are your thoughts...I'd like to keep ESA consistent
[05:10] <lucasvo> EFS==ESA?
[05:11] <cbx33> ESA
[05:11] <ogra> keep it as it is now ...
[05:12] <lucasvo> uh, the title Edubunt Homepage is <h2>
[05:13] <lucasvo> while Linux for young human beings is <h1>
[05:13] <lucasvo> thats not very seach engine friendly!
[05:13] <cbx33> highvoltage, which do you prefer
[05:13] <cbx33> we should standardise throughout the site
[05:13] <highvoltage> lucasvo: that's strange
[05:13] <lucasvo> cbx33: as well in ESA you use h1
[05:14] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ah, i know why
[05:14] <lucasvo> <h2 class="main-title">Edubuntu Home Page</h2>
[05:14] <highvoltage> lucasvo: it's because it's origins are from other html documents
[05:14] <cbx33> hehe
[05:14] <lucasvo> <h2 class="main-title">Edubuntu in schools</h2>
The Edubuntu Difference</h1>
[05:14] <lucasvo> that's not very reasonable :)
[05:15] <cbx33> hmmm
[05:15] <cbx33> lemme check that
[05:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: that's another thing to keep in mind when we edit pages
[05:15] <ogra> put a template anywhere 
[05:15] <ogra> as a policy document
[05:16] <highvoltage> cbx33: we should put together a kind of 'editors guide' for the website editors, to... yes, what ogra says :)
[05:16] <cbx33> yes
[05:16] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I could do that
[05:17] <cbx33> highvoltage, why isn't the main title an H1
[05:17] <cbx33> that's what I want to know :p
[05:17] <cbx33> I'll change all mine to h2
[05:17] <cbx33> shall i?
[05:17] <lucasvo> cbx33: yes
[05:17] <ogra> can the "(intel chipsets)" please be changed to intel CPUs or intel processors in the FAQ ?
[05:17] <cbx33> then h3 for the subsections
[05:17] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ok, i just started
[05:17] <lucasvo> cbx33: on all other pages it's like this
[05:17] <highvoltage> lucasvo: but you can take it over
[05:17] <lucasvo> highvoltage: oh, ok
[05:17] <lucasvo> highvoltage: where?
[05:17] <highvoltage> lucasvo: you are very sensible :)
[05:18] <cbx33> hehe
[05:18] <highvoltage> lucasvo: http://www.edubuntu.org/node/19
[05:18] <lucasvo> highvoltage: why?
[05:19] <highvoltage> lucasvo: well, both cbx33 and I haven't really picked up on the headings thing, and you did. just take the compliment :p
[05:19] <cbx33> heh
[05:20] <highvoltage> cbx33: nah, you're not :)
[05:20] <cbx33> ogra, did you want the ESA to have it's common questions or for the link to be added to FAQ?
[05:20] <cbx33> i took it one way and I think lucasvo took it the other... :p
[05:20] <cbx33> :S
 keep it as it is now ...
[05:21] <highvoltage> i think drupal should actually not use <h1> and <h2> in the page, so that an editor can use it logically
[05:21] <ogra> whats there to misunderstand ? 
[05:21] <cbx33> i didn;t know if that was before or after lucasvo edited it
[05:21] <lucasvo> highvoltage: no
[05:21] <ogra> keep like in "dont change it" :)
[05:21] <ogra> or like in "dont change it as it was originally"
[05:22] <cbx33> lucasvo, do you have those sections to put them back in?
[05:22] <lucasvo> highvoltage: because search engines look for h1 
[05:22] <highvoltage> lucasvo: aah
[05:22] <lucasvo> cbx33: yes, I will do it
[05:22] <cbx33> highvoltage, i think h1 is on
[05:22] <cbx33> ok
[05:22] <ogra> i'm not constantly reloading that pacge and follow your changes every minute
[05:22] <lucasvo> highvoltage: so the page title should be H1
[05:22] <cbx33> but it shouldn't use h2
[05:22] <lucasvo> cbx33: of course!
[05:22] <cbx33> :p
[05:23] <lucasvo> and if so, it shouldn't be bigger then h1 :)
[05:23] <cbx33> yes
[05:23] <lucasvo> cbx33: are you currently editing esa?
[05:23] <cbx33> lucasvo, no
[05:23] <lucasvo> cbx33: should I redo the h1,h2,h3..?
[05:23] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i've attached edubuntu.tar to EditorsGuide
[05:24] <lucasvo> or did you already do it?
[05:24] <cbx33> already done
[05:24] <ogra> please dont randomly change the FAQ, i'll have to get approval for the changes there from silbs
[05:24] <cbx33> ogra, if i have 5 buttons which all do the same thing....but should act on different fields.....can i add paramteres to the handler?
[05:24] <highvoltage> lucasvo: it's the edubuntu drupal theme, if people want to install it locally or to hack
[05:24] <lucasvo> ok
[05:24] <highvoltage> lucasvo: can you also refer to it in the Guide?
[05:24] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I don't see the attachement :)
[05:25] <cbx33> ogra, so when ia creat a signal instead of just running... on_click....it can run on_click("button1")
[05:25] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i just pressed submit. i think you were too fast for me there
[05:25] <ogra> cbx33, sure
[05:25] <cbx33> thank you....sorry for the n00bish questions
[05:26] <ogra> cbx33, we all started once ...
[05:26] <cbx33> true
[05:27] <ogra> did someone see my statement about the chipset in the FAQ above ? 
[05:27] <cbx33> ogra, yes i did
[05:27] <ogra> ok
[05:27] <cbx33> was waiting till everyone had finished editing
[05:27] <highvoltage> ogra: about the ISA sb card?
[05:27] <cbx33> it seems to be a frenzy
[05:28] <ogra> highvoltage, <ogra> can the "(intel chipsets)" please be changed to intel CPUs or intel processors in the FAQ ?
[05:28] <highvoltage> ah, ok
[05:28] <ogra> but please dont make other changes to the FAQ page, as i said above i need to get approval for every change from silbs for them
[05:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: I only lost one question, the one about where to get edubuntu
[05:29] <ogra> since the FAQs need to be consistent over {ed,k}ubuntu
[05:29] <highvoltage> ogra: i'd just like to change the next release version from '6.04' to 6.06
[05:29] <lucasvo> cbx33: why is this: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy different to: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuForSchools ?
[05:29] <highvoltage> that should be fine, right?
[05:29] <jsgotangco> hey!
[05:29] <cbx33> lucasvo, the wiki one is an old version
[05:29] <lucasvo> ok
[05:29] <cbx33> and can be deleted soon
[05:29] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[05:30] <highvoltage> ok, done
[05:30] <highvoltage> lucasvo: the wiki FAQ now only contains a link to the www one
[05:30] <highvoltage> (sorry, thought you were talking about FAQ)
[05:30] <ogra> whats the purpose of the name EdubuntuForSchools ??
[05:30] <ogra> our system is intended for shools first place
[05:30] <highvoltage> ogra: we couldn't think of a better name for it :(
[05:31] <ogra> so indeed edubuntu is for schools
[05:31] <highvoltage> ogra: i know it states the obvious. other suggestoins?
[05:31] <ogra> it somehow indicates that edubuntu in schools is something special 
[05:31] <highvoltage> good point
[05:31] <ogra> not really ...
[05:31] <ogra> but we should find something ...
[05:31] <highvoltage> perhaps UsingEdubuntu
[05:32] <highvoltage> would be better?
[05:32] <ogra> yeah
[05:32] <highvoltage> cbx33: can you apply that? unless you have more suggestions?
[05:32] <cbx33> ogra, when a button is clicked in python the functions always have the parameters like so def on_mount(self,widget):
[05:32] <cbx33> highvoltage, sure
[05:32] <cbx33> ogra, how do i add a parameter to be passed back in glade signals
[05:33] <ogra> EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy is nice because it indicates promotional stuff but EdubuntuForSchools seems redundant
[05:33] <cbx33> ogra, yes, but we didnt want to put Advocacy on the site :p
[05:33] <highvoltage> Advocacy is a horrible word in any advocacy doc though
[05:34] <ogra> up to the native speakers then :)
[05:34] <highvoltage> that would be cbx33 then :)
[05:34] <highvoltage> cbx33: we leave it to you
[05:34] <cbx33> Using Edubuntu it is
[05:35] <highvoltage> ogra: are you getting some sleep at least lately?
[05:35] <cbx33> he'd better be
[05:35] <ogra> i had some last night, yes :)
[05:35] <ogra> and i will have some this night ...
[05:35] <highvoltage> nice. sounds like Edubuntu is nicely on track :)
[05:35] <ogra> but then the frequency will drastically drop until release :)
[05:36] <highvoltage> (ogra's sleep levels are a good indicator on the status of Edubuntu)
[05:36] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[05:36] <ogra> 6 CD isos and 3 DVD isos want to be tested from monday on
[05:36] <highvoltage> hi Lord_Athur 
[05:36] <cbx33> ogra, I'll do my best to play my part there
[05:36] <highvoltage> ogra: that's like, almost nearly complete freeze, right?
[05:37] <ogra> highvoltage, yep, monday or tuesday we'll roll the final isos ... from then on it will only be testing
[05:37] <highvoltage> exciting stuff
[05:37] <ogra> yep
[05:38] <jsgotangco> woohoooo
[05:38] <lucasvo> we should make a Help page on the wiki
[05:38] <lucasvo> I mean on the home page
[05:38] <cbx33> ogra, in def on_mount(self,widget): - which is a signal handler what do self and widget do
[05:38] <lucasvo> where we list the irc channels, forums and mailing lists
[05:39] <ogra> jsgotangco, and, do you have any real news ? :P
[05:39] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: don't believe the hype!
[05:39] <cbx33> is widget the name of the widget that initiated the signal?
[05:39] <highvoltage> lucasvo: yep, help page is good idea
[05:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah i got to fix our toilet a few yours ago
[05:39] <lucasvo> highvoltage: what do you think should be written on the editors guide?
[05:39] <highvoltage> lucasvo: "Help & Support" even better :)
[05:39] <ogra> jsgotangco, now *thats* exciting, tell us more
[05:39] <ogra> did you find any treasures ? 
[05:40] <jsgotangco> it was pretty messy
[05:40] <cbx33> yuk
[05:40] <jsgotangco> but it reminded me of our colours as well
[05:40] <ogra> gold or oil ? 
[05:40] <jsgotangco> more like methane gas
[05:40] <ogra> lol
[05:40] <highvoltage> lucasvo: things like, don't use <h1>... and things like WikiStyleURLPaths, etc
[05:40] <ogra> dont smoke in te toilet then :)
[05:40] <highvoltage> lucasvo: we'll probably populate it as we go along, and find mistakes that we make, and prevent newcommers from the future to not do the same
[05:41] <cbx33> highvoltage, yup
[05:41] <Bluekuja> hello guys
[05:41] <jsgotangco> so what's happening here?
[05:41] <jsgotangco> oh btw
[05:41] <jsgotangco> AMD64 build today is fine
[05:41] <jsgotangco> (if that's exciting)
[05:41] <highvoltage> it is.
[05:41] <Bluekuja> cbx33: did you ping me before?
[05:42] <ogra> jsgotangco, wohooo, sure that is
[05:42] <ogra> thanks for testing !!
[05:42] <cbx33> Bluekuja, nope
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i have an i386 being installed at the moment too
[05:42] <Bluekuja> cbx33: oh oki
[05:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: jsgotangco: to busy to test deng ? (I don't see any emails from either of you)
[05:42] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: ouch...
[05:42] <ogra> jsgotangco, should be fine as well ... i wouldnt expect any regressions
[05:43] <cbx33> Yagisan, :(
[05:44] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: cbx33: my reason for asking is, we release beta4 tomorrow (after I fix build system breakage), and I wanted to know if you wanted to continue getting snapshots during the beta5 release cycle
[05:45] <cbx33> yes i surely do
[05:45] <cbx33> I've just been swamped right not
[05:45] <cbx33> now
[05:45] <cbx33> though I should be able to work from home for a few days next week
[05:45] <jsgotangco> i would probably be busy with amd64 in a few days till release
[05:45] <Yagisan> cbx33: I understand. I'm busy too, then the day before release I get the build system busted on me :(
[05:50] <lucasvo> I began with a Help and Support page: http://www.edubuntu.org/node/20
[05:50] <lucasvo> but why can't I make tbales?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:51] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: ?
[05:51] <jsgotangco> you all fixing up the edubuntu site?
[05:51] <lucasvo> yes
[05:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[05:52] <lucasvo> highvoltage: why can't I make tables?!
[05:52] <jsgotangco> looks tiny in epi
[05:52] <highvoltage> lucasvo: have you enabled 'full html' in the input field?
[05:52] <lucasvo> highvoltage: ah ok
[05:52] <lucasvo> thanks
[05:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i noticed it in galeon too... we're going to change the way the font sizes are specified in css
[05:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: its actually epiphany's behavior, everything is rendered a font size smaller
[05:53] <highvoltage> is it? do you think galeon does it the same way?
[05:53] <highvoltage> (seems like it does)
[05:54] <jsgotangco> i dunno
[05:54] <jsgotangco> epi uses gecko
[05:54] <highvoltage> ogra: is Xubuntu still an unofficial Ubuntu distro?
[05:55] <lucasvo> lol
[05:55] <lucasvo> drupal is buggy
[05:55] <highvoltage> ogra: i mean... may we put it under "Related Projects"? or is that a silbs question?
[05:55] <lucasvo> in Preview trimmed version it cuts off half of the table 
[05:55] <lucasvo> so the Full preview is in one cell of the trimmed preview
[05:56] <highvoltage> heh. i don't think they want you to use tables at all ;)
[05:56] <ogra> highvoltage, thats a silbs question i can ask on monday
[05:57] <cbx33> ogra, sorry to bother you again...with a glade question...I've searched high and low across the net
[05:57] <cbx33> with a button....
[05:57] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks
[05:57] <cbx33> clicked(button, data)
[05:57] <cbx33> is the signal prototype
[05:58] <cbx33> so in the handler box in glade you put the function name
[05:58] <cbx33> for example
[05:58] <cbx33> on_clicked
[05:58] <cbx33> but if I want to pass back some more information
[05:58] <cbx33> so that it's like 
[05:58] <cbx33> on_clicked("2")
[05:58] <cbx33> but still have the button, data information passed too
[05:58] <cbx33> how do i do this?
[05:59] <lucasvo> cbx33, ogra, highvoltage: should I create a link in the menu to this page: http://www.edubuntu.org/node/20
[05:59] <lucasvo> I want to add a section "How you can help" as well
[05:59] <ogra> would you call it "Access Denied" ?
[05:59] <ogra> ;P
[05:59] <lucasvo> ogra: login
[06:00] <lucasvo> it's not published
[06:00] <lucasvo> ogra: try again
[06:00] <lucasvo> oh
[06:00] <lucasvo> there's a typo
[06:00] <lucasvo> :)
[06:00] <ogra> 7me wonders why jelkner still shows up in all our docs
[06:00] <lucasvo> :)
[06:00] <ogra> there is also a -es channel :)
[06:00] <lucasvo> ok
[06:01] <cbx33> and irch is a typo
[06:01] <jsgotangco> ogra: virus?
[06:01] <lucasvo> cbx33: just updated it
[06:02] <cbx33> lucasvo, mailing <space> list i think would be better
[06:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, elkner ? 
[06:02] <ogra> heh
[06:02] <ogra> also dont forget we have edubuntu-users now
[06:03] <jsgotangco> oh!
[06:03] <ogra> +(only -devel is listed)
[06:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:03] <cbx33> ogra, is it working now?
[06:03] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[06:03] <lucasvo> ogra: is there another one as well?
[06:04] <ogra> cbx33, no idea i didnt care for it yet, will do so before release, but its switched on and all -devel users are autosubscribed to it ... send a testmail and you will know ;)
[06:04] <lucasvo> ogra: I have copied it from the wiki page Edubuntu
[06:04] <cbx33> ok
[06:04] <cbx33> lucasvo, I did that page:p
[06:04] <cbx33> but didn;t know about it then
[06:04] <cbx33> it was a rehash of the old one
[06:06] <cbx33> ogra, does jelkner not handle education anymore ?
[06:07] <ogra> cbx33, he doesnt do anything ... he only shows up in the meetings from time to time for 10-20 mins ...
[06:07] <lucasvo> he occasionally comes in and you have to tell him to type sudo ltsp-update-ssh-keys :)
[06:07] <ogra> i'd really like to see someone more involved responsible for education
[06:07] <cbx33> ogra, want someone else to take over education contact?
[06:07] <HedgeMage> hi cbx33, lucasvo, ogra :)
[06:07] <lucasvo> hi HedgeMage 
[06:08] <ogra> cbx33, i dont know anyone who could take that 
[06:08] <HedgeMage> lol
[06:08] <ogra> cbx33, exactly what we dont want there :)
[06:08] <HedgeMage> ogra: what's involved?
[06:08] <cbx33> it's pretty tough some days
[06:08] <cbx33> we do get _A LOT_ of abuse
[06:08] <ogra> it should be nobody who has big tech skills and he should work as a teacher with edubuntu on a daily base
[06:09] <ogra> we dont have such a person yet 
[06:09] <cbx33> heh.....
[06:09] <Yagisan> cbx33: you poor thing
[06:09] <cbx33> i have some tech skills
[06:09] <cbx33> and i do teach edubuntu to the kids
[06:09] <cbx33> :p
[06:09] <cbx33> but i see what you mean
[06:09] <ogra> read: a "power user" but no IT manager ;)
[06:10] <Yagisan> ah, so a MSCE certified chimp
[06:10] <cbx33> IT manager is my offical title :p
[06:10] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[06:10] <cbx33> but I'm pretty much ANYTHING IT
[06:10] <cbx33> as in support, teaching...though not curriculum
[06:10] <ogra> someone who can eaasily share the POV of other teachers and isnt too much involved in development
[06:10] <Yagisan> apologies to MSCE chimps that earned, rather then bought their certs
[06:11] <cbx33> ogra, is it worth just removing that till we get someone?
[06:11] <HedgeMage> ogra: if you give me an idea of what we'd need the person to do, I can attempt to recruit from the teachers I know (esp. the ones I'm working on converting to edubuntu as we speak)
[06:11] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i would take that table out
[06:12] <lucasvo> highvoltage: why?
[06:12] <highvoltage> lucasvo: ogra will be flooded by people with support questions that should actually go to the -users list
[06:12] <ogra> HedgeMage, giving a hand with eduapp stuff and "teaching processes" 
[06:12] <lucasvo> highvoltage: this page has been in the wiki for about a year and ogra didn't compain so far
[06:12] <lucasvo> :)
[06:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: I have someone in mind, but she's a *very* new convert (as in I finally got her to try it this week, but she's loving it)
If you have any questions, comments or enquiries please direct these to:</p> one should change this sentence
[06:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: third grade public school teacher from Indiana
[06:13] <ogra> HedgeMage, someone who can write a mail to desperate users like: how i use kvoctrain to effectively teach my students the basics in spanish language
[06:13] <HedgeMage> not sure if she'd have time, though.
[06:13] <highvoltage> imho, ogra should be absolute top level support, not first line of support
[06:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: thought we have 3 wallpapers?
[06:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, ??
[06:14] <highvoltage> users should ask on the lists first (to which ogra is subscribed anyway)
[06:14] <jsgotangco> ogra: what's the package again to dpkg-reconfigure?
[06:14] <highvoltage> and if he wants to help, then it's up to him. but in peak times, i don't think it's reasonable for ogra to get e-mails about how to change resolution on thin clients, etc
[06:14] <ogra> HedgeMage, " *very* new convert" but communicative is perfect 
[06:15] <ogra> HedgeMage, since she'll know the starter probs ;)
[06:15] <HedgeMage> ogra: I'll ask her in that case... probably won't talk to her until next week, though (this is a big holiday weekend in the US)
[06:15] <HedgeMage> especially for teachers...
[06:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, you mean edubuntu-artwork ?
[06:15] <lucasvo> highvoltage: what do you think of this: <p>If you have any comments or enquiries please direct these to one of the following Edubuntu member. Please do NOT send support requests to these persons, use the <b>mailing list.</b></p> ?
[06:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: young/default/plain
[06:16] <highvoltage> lucasvo: that's better at least. in the sense that it doesn't imply first level support
[06:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:16] <ogra> HedgeMage, thats fine ... just having someone who is more involved than appearing once a month in the meeting would be desirable
[06:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, plain has no wallpaper
[06:16] <HedgeMage> ogra: understood
[06:16] <ogra> its "plain"
[06:16] <jsgotangco> just wallpaper
[06:17] <highvoltage> i think the plain one has a simpler gtk theme as well
[06:17] <highvoltage> right ogra?
[06:17] <ogra> jsgotangco, icons ;)
[06:17] <cbx33> ogra, how can i get the widgets name from the widget object?
[06:17] <ogra> nope, the gtk theme is the same, but plain doesnt use gartoon
[06:17] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:18] <HedgeMage> anyhow, I'm off to plug away at cookbook stuff... if I'm needed, highlight and/or IM me and I'll notice eventually :)
[06:18] <ogra> plain is the first attempt to have somnething more suitable for unis or municipalities
[06:23] <ogra> hmm, i'm Technical General ? 
[06:23] <highvoltage> hehe
[06:23] <highvoltage> general electric
[06:23] <ogra> "edubuntu technical general"
[06:23] <highvoltage> you'd be good friends :)
[06:23] <ogra> heh
[06:24] <highvoltage> yes sir!
[06:24] <ogra> i'll tell him if i ever meet him :P
[06:24] <ogra> (in fact i had several courses at GE some years ago)
[06:24] <highvoltage> well, my nick is highvoltage, so i can be General Electric :)
[06:25] <jsgotangco> ?
[06:25] <ogra> jsgotangco, http://www.edubuntu.org/node/20
[06:25] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i think you can put it on the menu, we can fine tune ongoing.
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ahh
[06:27] <pc22> hi Yagisan
[06:27] <Yagisan> G'day pc22
[06:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: oh yes, the khangman screenshots...
[06:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: the first one spelled 'wtf', but it was very subtle. it took long before someone noticed it :)
[06:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: and then, after that, it spelled 'dbian'
[06:28] <jsgotangco> is UsingEdubuntu ESA?
[06:28] <pc22> i wonder if my ubuntu will be infected virus
[06:28] <highvoltage> cbx33: and now 'edbn'
[06:28] <Yagisan> pc22: no
[06:28] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yes
[06:28] <Yagisan> pc22: unless you do some really dumb stuff
[06:28] <pc22> lol
[06:29] <Yagisan> pc22: like run the virus as root, manually
[06:29] <pc22> ohh
[06:29] <cbx33> heheh
[06:29] <pc22> i have this small windows network
[06:29] <pc22> i want to test my antivirus so i want to infect it with a virus
[06:29] <pc22> lol
[06:29] <jsgotangco> good luck
[06:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i see you have a drupal user, do you have your password?
[06:30] <ogra> yeah, first find a linux virus :)
[06:30] <cbx33> pc22, there is a test virus
[06:30] <Yagisan> pc22: EICAR
[06:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i can add you to the editor group too...
[06:30] <cbx33> Thanks Yagisan 
[06:30] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i couldn't remember the login page
[06:30] <highvoltage> there are a few concept virusses
[06:30] <pc22> whats eicar
[06:30] <Yagisan> cbx33: no worries. day job stuff
[06:30] <cbx33> indeed
[06:30] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's /user/login
[06:30] <Yagisan> pc22: test virus
[06:30] <cbx33> thought you'd jump in on that one
[06:30] <jsgotangco> non-invasive test virus
[06:30] <highvoltage> but none have actually been reproducable in the wild
[06:30] <Yagisan> pc22: it's harmless, but it gets detected as a virus
[06:30] <cbx33> I've used it a few times
[06:31] <pc22> i want a real harmful virus
[06:31] <Yagisan> pc22: http://www.eicar.org/anti_virus_test_file.htm
[06:31] <pc22> yes im checking the file
[06:31] <ogra> pc22, yopu wont find any harmful viruses for linux
[06:31] <jsgotangco> yeah
[06:32] <jsgotangco> for some strange reason, some work on wine though
[06:32] <Yagisan> pc22:  basically cat "X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*" > eicar.exe
[06:32] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you're an editor now
[06:32] <jsgotangco> but that only shows how sophisticated wine is
[06:32] <Yagisan> ogra: well you can
[06:32] <pc22> like what can slow down my network or even stop the router from routing. this virus is for my 3 pc windows network
[06:32] <Yagisan> but they don't do much unless you are root
[06:32] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i couldn't remember my username!
[06:32] <ogra> Yagisan, exactly ... so they are pretty pointless in a sudo driven distro 
[06:33] <pc22> hi ogra
[06:33] <ogra> (unles you work as root all the time, which is dumb anyway)
[06:33] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think it's more a case of 'you mimic the behaviour of an insecure system, then you also mimic the insecurities'
[06:33] <jsgotangco> you might want to key log the sudo user first hthough
[06:33] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'll PM to you
[06:33] <ogra> hey pc22 
[06:33] <Yagisan> ogra: sadley, I also support non-ubuntu distros too
[06:33] <ogra> Yagisan, sucks to be you ;)
[06:34] <ogra> Yagisan, convince your customers :)
[06:34] <pc22> i have 2 linux pc and 3 windows pc
[06:35] <pc22> i want to try it with a nice harmful virus
[06:35] <highvoltage> pc22: i have 12 linux pc's just in my room
[06:35] <pc22> cool
[06:35] <pygi> spacey, you here? :P
[06:35] <highvoltage> pc22: and one pc that runs windows ce, which is an ipaq locked away in the garage
[06:35] <HedgeMage> lol
[06:35] <jsgotangco> i only have 3
[06:36] <ogra> highvoltage, why did you lock it away ? because of CE ?
[06:36] <highvoltage> ogra: yes
[06:36] <pc22> so anyone can help me check windows viruses for my win network? pls?
[06:36] <ogra> (you could use familiar linux on it)
[06:36] <highvoltage> ogra: i don't have a cable it to reflash it with linux
[06:36] <highvoltage> s/it/yet
[06:37] <lucasvo> familiar rocks
[06:37] <highvoltage> i don't think i'm ever going to use it. it's old without any bluetooth or wi-fi.
[06:37] <highvoltage> one day when i'm rich i'll buy a linux pda :)
[06:37] <jsgotangco> i have one
[06:37] <jsgotangco> but im not rich
[06:37] <lucasvo> linuxpda's aren't better than non linux ones
[06:38] <pygi> pc22, use clavav throught samba
[06:38] <ogra> bring it to paris ;) i have a serial cradle
[06:38] <highvoltage> ogra: oooh!!! will do :)
[06:38] <lucasvo> in fact they are often worse
[06:38] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I have flashed mine with usb
[06:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i just want to avoid using any kind of Windows, if at all possible
[06:38] <cbx33> I want linux on my Dell Axim X3i
[06:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: this is still an old ipaq 3600
[06:38] <lucasvo> oh
[06:38] <jsgotangco> pfftt puny PDAs could not even compare to my old SL-5500
[06:38] <ogra> yeah i have the same
[06:38] <highvoltage> lucasvo: it comes from the era where i still used to use windows. it's *that* old
[06:38] <lucasvo> I have a hx4700
[06:39] <ogra> and a 3200
[06:39] <ogra> (black/white)
[06:39] <lucasvo> highvoltage: when I was born? ;)
[06:39] <highvoltage> black and white pda's are quite handy too- nice battery life.
[06:39] <cbx33> hehehe
[06:39] <highvoltage> lucasvo: 1980-something?
[06:39] <lucasvo> no, 1990
[06:40] <highvoltage> lucasvo: wow, i thought you were older.
[06:41] <Yagisan> ogra: you may not have noticed it, but I do offer an ubuntu migration service, It's not linked from the Ubuntu homepage, so I can see why you'd miss it.
[06:41] <jsgotangco> why not have it listed?
[06:41] <ogra> yeah
[06:41] <highvoltage> ogra: about the ubuntu partners thing, can you ask silbs if something similar can be implemented for edubuntu too?
[06:41] <highvoltage> ogra: (in a sense that we can talk about it on website)
[06:41] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: on my todo list
[06:42] <ogra> highvoltage, sure
[06:42] <ogra> good idea
[06:42] <highvoltage> cool
[06:42] <HedgeMage> ogra: have you seen Dark Crystal yet? :P
[06:43] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: I'll get around to it, when my wife heals enough for me to take on more work
[06:43] <ogra> HedgeMage, the movie ? 
[06:43] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: torrent link pls ;)
[06:43] <highvoltage> tuxlabs would also be interested, since it's going to be a commercial company in about two months
[06:44] <HedgeMage> ogra: yes, the movie with a character named Ogra :P
[06:44] <cbx33> w0000t it's working
[06:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:44] <Yagisan> HedgeMage: haven't seen that movie since I was a kid
[06:44] <cbx33> thanks for not telling me the answer ogra  - I learnt so much now :D
[06:44] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: tuxlabs is going commercial?
[06:44] <ogra> HedgeMage, when i was a teen i saw it in the cinema, but i wouldnt have remembered that :)
[06:44] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[06:44] <HedgeMage> lol
[06:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: TSF only funds a project for 4 years (first phase)
[06:45] <highvoltage> this is the fourth year of tuxlabs funding
[06:45] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[06:45] <highvoltage> so we either have to end it, or find another funder, or make it work commercially.
[06:45] <cbx33> TSF?
[06:45] <cbx33> no i got it
[06:45] <cbx33> nevermind
[06:46] <highvoltage> there are lots of big government tenders going out now, so commercially is looking like a very sustainable option at this point.
[06:48] <pygi> spacey, hey
[06:48] <pygi> may you please add those links? thanks
[06:48] <highvoltage> ogra: my rsync is taking very long. screenshots from thursday's daily build should be fine for docs, right?
[06:48] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[06:48] <jsgotangco> should be
[06:48] <ogra> (apart from the mouse theme)
[06:49] <cbx33> ogra, I'm trying that VMware install again
[06:49] <highvoltage> heh, ok.
[06:49] <ogra> just dont forget to note it at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current if you test isos
[06:50] <highvoltage> ok
[06:50] <ogra> that table filled will make my job safer :)
[06:50] <cbx33> ok ogra 
[06:51] <ogra> so i wont get fired for lack of iso testing :)
[06:51] <ogra> i doesnt (until thursday)
[06:51] <Yagisan> ogra: got a spare sparc for us :)
[06:51] <ogra> dapper is the first release to support sparc on servers
[06:51] <ogra> servers only, not my area
[06:52] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it'll be announced
[06:52] <ogra> but since we work so close with SUN now that might change for edgy ;)
[06:52] <Yagisan> oh. sounds like a nice desktop ...
[06:52] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you still editing that wiki page?
[06:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: nope
[06:53] <jsgotangco> This page was opened for editing or last previewed at 2006-05-28 00:51:14 by JonathanCarter.
[06:53] <jsgotangco> You should refrain from editing this page for at least another 8 minute(s), to avoid editing conflicts.
[06:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i accidentally double-clicked on that page, which went into edit mode, didn't edit anything, so it's safe to edit
[06:53] <jsgotangco> ah
[06:57] <cbx33> ogra, you know I'll test for you
[06:57] <cbx33> just give me a bit of notice this time.....i just wasn't aware of it all last time
[06:57] <cbx33> if you give me a day...I'll test 20 instlals for you
[06:57] <ogra> from monday on 
[06:58] <cbx33> ok....
[06:58] <ogra> until thursday ... as many tests as you can do
[06:58] <cbx33> well I was gonna work from home on tuesday
[06:58] <ogra> s/can/like to/
[06:58] <cbx33> so i can do it then
[06:58] <cbx33> I'm still testing out that VMWare instlal at the moment
[06:58] <ogra> try with framebuffer disabled
[06:59] <cbx33> how do i do that
[06:59] <cbx33> shall i restart the installation
[06:59] <ogra> something like debian-installer/frambuffer=false on the boot commandline
[06:59] <cbx33> ok
[07:00] <cbx33> what the iso boot command line?
[07:00] <ogra> yep
[07:02] <highvoltage> cbx33: it's also mentioned in one of the F2, F3, etc option screens
[07:03] <jsgotangco> good night
[07:04] <ogra> night jsgotangco 
[07:04] <pygi> spacey, ping ping :)
[07:32] <Yagisan> just dump "zip -v -0  ./Data/Doomsday.pk3  ./Data/Graphics/* ./Data/Fonts/* ./Data/KeyMaps/*" right before AC_OUTPUT
[07:32] <Yagisan> and hope they run Ubuntu ;)
[07:50] <cbx33> ogra, it seems to die on the configuring the python2.4-zopeinterface
[07:51] <cbx33> hmmm...
[07:51] <cbx33> but it's gotten past it this time
[07:51] <cbx33> we could be on to a winner
[07:51] <ogra> that must be the media
[07:51] <cbx33> yeh
[08:29] <cbx33> ogra, tested, worked, updated page
[08:29] <ogra> cool !
[08:39] <cbx33> ogra, when will the downloads be ready for tuesday's testing
[08:54] <jono> nick highvoltage2
[09:05] <cbx33> highvoltage, how are we doing with the wiki
[09:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think the wiki isn't doign to bad, but of course still needs some work, i'm looking at it tomorrow, right now my priority are new screenshots for gettingstarted and the screenshots section
[09:07] <highvoltage> i don't want any breezy screenshots in there by monday
[09:07] <cbx33> ok
[09:07] <cbx33> yeh true
[09:07] <cbx33> I'll see if I can do some tomorrow
[09:07] <highvoltage> cool
[09:08] <highvoltage> which version of vmware are you using?
[09:08] <highvoltage> i can boot the edubuntu cd fine with framebuffer.
[09:16] <cbx33> highvoltage, yeh i just got mine to work now
[09:35] <cbx33> ogra, you got 5 mins for a python query?
[09:36] <highvoltage> isn't 5 mins a bit long for a python query?
[09:36] <highvoltage> :P
[09:36] <cbx33> highvoltage, I may need him to actually look at my code :p
[09:36] <cbx33> oh damn
[09:36] <cbx33> brb
[09:50] <bersace> highvoltage: hello, how to put the big icon such as in https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork
[09:50] <bersace> ?
[09:51] <highvoltage>  /+hackergotchi, iirc
[09:57] <highvoltage> bersace: yes, add /+edithackergotchi to the end of the team page
[09:57] <highvoltage> then you can add it
[09:57] <highvoltage> bersace: who sent you?
[09:58] <P3L|C4N0> greetings
[09:59] <bersace> highvoltage: thanks
[09:59] <highvoltage> greetings P3L|C4N0 
[09:59] <bersace> highvoltage: myself
[09:59] <highvoltage> bersace: ok. it's just strange, i think i'm the only one who's done that before :)
[10:00] <highvoltage> thought that you might have asked on another channel and someone sent you here to ask me
[10:01] <bersace> highvoltage: nop, i just read the line "Owner" fo the edubuntu-artowkr team :)
[10:02] <bersace> bye
[10:02] <highvoltage> ah :)
[10:19] <cbx33> ping Laser_away 
[11:07] <highvoltage> goodnight!
[11:07] <crimsun> 'night
[11:07] <highvoltage> nighto crimsun
[11:08] <pygi> night crimsun 
[11:08] <pygi> Bluekuja, poke? :)
[11:08] <Bluekuja> oi mario
[11:08] <crimsun> pygi: you meant that to jonathan, of course :-)
[11:08] <pygi> crimsun, ergh yes :)
[11:09] <crimsun> it's late afternoon here :-)
[11:09] <Bluekuja> pygi: i was waiting you in ubuntu-it
[11:09] <Bluekuja> xD
[11:09] <pygi> crimsun, 50 minutes before midnight :)
[11:09] <pygi> Bluekuja, gah :) Rather send me that package :P
[11:10] <Bluekuja> ah yeah
[11:10] <pygi> Bluekuja, how does this look like?
[11:10] <pygi> http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6396/template1gv.png
[11:11] <cbx33> nn all
[11:11] <pygi> night cbx33 
[11:11] <Bluekuja> it's a bittorrent meta file viewer
[11:12] <pygi> what's a bittorent meta file viewer?
[11:14] <Bluekuja> you can use it to view .bittorrent files infos before starting the download
[11:17] <pygi> Bluekuja, no, not that, but What are you talking about? :P
[11:17] <Bluekuja> lol, i was talking you about the package sorry
[11:18] <Amaranth> pygi: i think we have a problem
[11:18] <pygi> Amaranth, like what? :-/
[11:18] <Amaranth> pygi: my project and another accepted project are basically the same thing
[11:18] <Amaranth> Safety Boat
[11:18] <Amaranth> basically that project is an epiphany extension that works with my project
[11:18] <Amaranth> or should be
[11:19] <pygi> Isnt your project willow packaging?
[11:19] <Amaranth> well, it kind of changed
[11:19] <Amaranth> because willow isn't usable
[11:19] <Amaranth> so i have to make my own
[11:19] <Amaranth> (or heavily modify willow)
[11:20] <pygi> ah, ok
[11:20] <pygi> hm ... :-/
[11:23] <pygi> Amaranth, this is indeed not a good situation :-/
[11:23] <pygi> Bluekuja, have you looked at that image I gave you?
[11:23] <Bluekuja> pygi: which image??
[11:25] <pygi> Amaranth, do you have any suggestions on how to resolve?
[11:26] <Amaranth> pygi: no idea
[11:26] <Amaranth> pygi: i don't think my project is a 2 person thing
[11:26] <pygi> Amaranth, indeed
[11:26] <Bluekuja> pygi: really nice
[11:26] <Bluekuja> thats really beatiful
[11:27] <pygi> Bluekuja, this is still the first version
[11:27] <Bluekuja> compliments
[11:27] <pygi> not to me tho, I am not a designer :P
[11:28] <Bluekuja> lol
[11:28] <pygi> Bluekuja, see the "Design by ..." :)
[11:28] <Bluekuja> oh aww
[11:28] <pygi> Amaranth, I really think we need to think of an idea on how to resolve this
[11:28] <Bluekuja> i thought you was a design master
[11:28] <Bluekuja> hehe
[11:29] <pygi> hehe indeed :)
[11:30] <Bluekuja> wanna try a rpm-based package too?
[11:30] <Amaranth> pygi: see if he'll work on something else?
[11:30] <pygi> Bluekuja, I don't have a rpm system
[11:30] <pygi> Amaranth, ergh, like what? :-/
[11:31] <Amaranth> i dunno
[11:31] <Bluekuja> use alien then
[11:31] <Bluekuja> just to check
[11:31] <pygi> ergh, Daniel is probably not here right now...
[11:31] <pygi> Amaranth, try finding some idea on wiki that would suit him...
[11:32] <pygi> I'll try...actually, I don't know what I'll try, but I'll think of somethin'...
[11:32] <Amaranth> i think he should get to choose
[11:32] <crimsun> (as in Daniel Holbach?)
[11:33] <crimsun> (too many Daniels)
[11:34] <pygi> yes, daniel holbach
[11:34] <pygi> he's supposed to mentor that guy
[11:34] <crimsun> (my nick highlights on Daniel, too, in case you're wondering)
[11:35] <pygi> crimsun, yes, I know :)
[11:37] <pygi> Bluekuja, I have one server RHEL, could try there perhaps
[11:38] <Amaranth> gtg, moving out of wireless range
[11:38] <pygi> k, bye Amaranth 
[11:39] <Bluekuja> pygi: cool, I'm uploading it right now to extras
[11:39] <Bluekuja> just a moment, I'm re-setting up cvs access
[11:49] <cbx33> hi LaserJock