[01:28] <kwwii> night all
[01:28] <Tonio_> nite kwwi
[02:26] <Riddell> marseillai_: adept depends on app-install-data
[02:34] <imbrandon> Riddell: you was wanting to know about successfull / unsuccessfull flight 7 live cd nstalls right ?
[02:35] <imbrandon> there is a guy in #kubuntu thats having a crash on the live cd install and willing to guinypig test if you was interested ( nick: superdump )
[02:38] <superdump> it's the partioning page bug
[02:38] <superdump> i'm pretty sure it's well known and no doubt fixed but i forgot and burned the graphical install cd
[02:39] <superdump> the problem is i don't have a spare cd to burn another iso, so i'm willing to hack in the fix if it's not too difficult and anyone is willing to point me to a patch / send me a patch / point me to the changes
[02:41] <Riddell> yeah, that's been fixed
[02:41] <Riddell> updating ubiquity-frontend-kde and ubiquity will sort it
[02:41] <superdump> and that's doable on the live cd? (if so that's awesome)
[02:42] <Riddell> certainly is
[02:42] <superdump> :)
[02:42] <superdump> thank you very much
[02:42] <superdump> and you too imbrandon 
[02:42] <Riddell> superdump: let me know how it goes
[02:43] <imbrandon> np, Riddell is the real genius for this ;)
[02:43] <superdump> i will do
[02:44] <superdump> unfortunately i ran an update of everything and it's run out of space on whatever virtual device it's using
[02:45] <superdump> i will report back in a bit
[02:45] <Riddell> oh you'll need to update qtparted too
[02:45] <Riddell> but that's all
[02:46] <superdump> ok
[02:46] <superdump> thanks
[02:46] <superdump> bbiab
[03:10] <superdump> Riddell: it worked but i have a query
[03:10] <superdump> no reiser?
[03:13] <superdump> i'm guessing the answer will be a "there will be but not yet"
[03:16] <imbrandon> that would be my guess, its just not in there yet
[03:16] <Riddell> no qtparted support
[03:17] <superdump> :/
[03:17] <superdump> ok
[03:17] <superdump> well, thanks for the suggestion, it appears to be working fine
[03:17] <superdump> i'll remain here while i run through the installation
[03:17] <superdump> ext3 will have to do
[03:29] <superdump> Riddell: it think the installation completed successfully, let's see if it did
[03:29] <superdump> back shortly
[06:41] <Hobbsee> hi all
[06:41] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: congrats  :)
[06:41] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying|away :)
[06:44] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee and gj
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ah, the kde rebuild must have finished. good!
[06:45] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[06:52] <yuriy> gj Hobbsee
[06:52] <Hobbsee> ty yuriy :)
[10:09] <raphink> Riddell: hi_
[10:09] <raphink> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/45961
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45961 in kubuntu-docs "Docs use wrong path to images" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[10:09] <raphink> what do you think the fix should be ?
[10:09] <raphink> a patch in kdelibs or patching the doc ?
[10:42] <OculusAquilae> bug #45791 seems to be fixed by me. Could somebody with the "might" look at it and upload it?
[10:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45791
[10:43] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: Riddell or raphink 
[11:21] <seaLne> Riddell: not sure if its a issue for the KDE frontend to ubiquity but where it asks the user info stuff and asks for a machine name could it check the current name its IP has and suggest that?
[11:26] <seaLne> Riddell: also i'd consider it a regression compared to the normal install that you aren't asked for a proxy and so it sits waiting to timeout for ~10min, ofcourse the normal installer didn't actually save the proxy info anywhere so you had to manually set it up to install/update packages after the install anyway
[11:45] <seaLne> hmm interesting Acquire::http::Proxy is set to "false" in /etc/apt/apt.conf wonder when that started to be added
[12:24] <MidMark> hi people, why the last daily cd is 712 MB? It doesn't fit in a cd...
[12:26] <Lure> MidMark: yesterday's was 705MB and it worked for me with overburn
[12:27] <MidMark> Lure: today is 712 and with overburn it fails to verify last % of cd
[12:28] <MidMark> amd64 is even 716...
[12:28] <Lure> I have seen some new depends for kubuntu-desktop added today (libatspi1.0-0, brltty-x11)
[12:29] <Lure> not sure if they are so big though (might be also new translations that are pouring in...)
[12:30] <MidMark> yes but if this problem remains this, how can I burn a cd?
[12:31] <Lure> MidMark: you will have to wait for Riddell to address this...
[12:33] <Riddell> huh?
[12:33] <seaLne> i successfully burned todays live 1386
[12:33] <Riddell> damnit, how did that happen
[12:34] <MidMark> my cd-rw doesn't fit a 712 mb also with overburning with disc-at-once
[12:34] <Riddell> I removed a whole bunch of language packs
[12:45] <MidMark> hope to see daily 23 o RC that fit in about 700 megs...
[12:56] <MidMark> I another question unasked before (very short): kernel in dapper is the same for smp and non-smp?
[12:58] <OculusAquilae> MidMark: for 686 yes
[12:58] <MidMark> not for amd64 x2?
[12:58] <OculusAquilae> for amd i think too
[12:58] <MidMark> which smp aren't included if you know?
[12:59] <OculusAquilae> hm
[12:59] <OculusAquilae> don't know
[12:59] <MidMark> ok thanx
[01:23] <verwilst> for smp you need the -server kernel
[01:31] <OculusAquilae> verwilst: why does the 686er kernel says it has smp support too?
[01:32] <verwilst> ah
[01:32] <verwilst> not sure about that
[01:32] <verwilst> hm
[01:32] <OculusAquilae> i mean its desciption
[01:32] <verwilst> might be that 686 has smp too
[02:01] <allee> verwilst, OculusAquilae: -server has preempt disabled and lower timer freq., Good for throughput but not the best for interactive desktops.
[02:02] <verwilst> yeah i know
[02:02] <MidMark> so the answer to question "An AMD X2 will be recognized both in i386 and x86_64" is yes?
[02:02] <verwilst> but i'm not sure wether the 686 kernel has smp enabled
[02:03] <OculusAquilae> verwilst: read its description
[02:06] <allee> OculusAquilae: this never helps for linux- pkgs.
[02:07] <allee> FWIW linux-686-smp depends on standard 686 kernel.  So this kernel supports both UP and SMP
[02:07] <OculusAquilae> but if smp support wouldn't be in it there should be another -smp-kernel :)
[02:08] <marseillai_> a question : does ubuntu has a apt-get autoclean in a cron ? because on both of my configuration i've had a problem when starting X. He can not write in /tmp due to free space on /. and a apt-get autoclean was REALLY needed! and I think it can be a problem. So i would like to make a bug report on this. what do you think about it?
[02:19] <Riddell> marseillai_: not by default it doesn't
[02:20] <marseillai_> i think it should
[02:20] <Riddell> marseillai_: that's unlikely to change, but you could certainly argue that e.g. adept should be able to turn it on easily
[02:21] <marseillai_> Riddell: someone wich don't know debian could be surprise by this! i think to windows-people
[02:21] <marseillai_> an auto-clean is not so dangerous and can free many space!
[02:23] <Riddell> mvo would know more about the rationale
[02:23] <marseillai_> I'll make a report about it and see reactions
[02:24] <Riddell> it's more a discussion point than a bug, ubuntu-devel list may be a better place
[02:24] <Riddell> but check the archives to see if it has come up before
[02:25] <MidMark> In my opinion there should be an option to clean, it isn't so user friendly 'sudo rm ...../*.deb' for a newbie...
[02:27] <MidMark> and every update leak hard disk memory...
[02:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: pong
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh good :)
[02:33] <Riddell> Lure: are you going for memberjship tonight?
[02:34] <Riddell> kwwii: same?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> what's the current utc time, and can we move our meetings to these sort of times?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> @schedule
[02:35] <Ubugtu> schedule Retrieve the date/time of scheduled meetings in a specific timezone
[02:35] <Hobbsee> @time
[02:35] <Ubugtu> Current time in UTC: May 22 2006, 12:35:09
[02:35] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:35] <Hobbsee> how does a 1-2pm UTC meeting suit everyone, do we know?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> somewhere around there
[02:35] <Riddell> suits me fine but some europeans will be at work
[02:35] <Riddell> and americans will be sleepy eyed
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah, good point...
[02:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:36] <Hobbsee> about time they are :P
[02:36] <Riddell> but do suggest it as a time to hold the next meeting and see who complains
[02:36] <Hobbsee> that'd be cool - cos i'm really not a morning person, so 7am starts...well, you've seen how i do so far...
[02:36] <Hobbsee> er, have done
[02:37] <seaLne> MidMark: apt-get clean
[02:37] <seaLne> marseillai_: ^ even
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Lure is not a member?  wow
[02:38] <Hobbsee> neither kwwii?
[02:39] <Riddell> seaLne: r.e. computer name from dns, seems sensible, report a bug if there's not one already
[02:39] <Riddell> seaLne: proxy, likewise
[02:39] <seaLne> against ubiquity?
[02:39] <Riddell> seaLne: did you manage to get an install done?
[02:39] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[02:39] <seaLne> yeah, just takes even longer to timeout that d-i
[02:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: lure was talking about membership when we were first discussing kubuntu membership, he may have become a member through traditional means since then I'm not sure
[02:40] <seaLne> first time i got round to trying it, looks good apart from those
[02:40] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[02:40] <Riddell> seaLne: so installed ok otherwise?
[02:41] <seaLne> yep, but because it couldn't talk to the archive everything in sources.list was comented out, which also ment if you used adept you got a choice of no packages
[02:42] <MidMark> seaLne: thanx, but no user-friendly too
[02:42] <raphink> Riddell: I'm about to fix a bug in kubuntu-docs but I'm not sure whether this fix is a bit dirty
[02:42] <raphink> would you mind giving me your opinion?
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Lure's a member
[02:42] <Riddell> raphink: sure
[02:42] <Riddell> raphink: images?
[02:43] <raphink> yes
[02:43] <raphink> wait a min I'll show you the patch
[02:43] <Riddell> where can I find an image that would be broken?
[02:43] <raphink> any language by en
[02:43] <raphink> e.g.
[02:44] <raphink>  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/kubuntu/packagingguide/index.html
[02:44] <raphink> this should have no image
[02:44] <Riddell> I don't see any images on that page
[02:44] <Riddell> help:/kubuntu/packagingguide/index.html
[02:44] <raphink> yes
[02:44] <raphink> exacly
[02:44] <Riddell> except the headers and footers
[02:44] <raphink> oh well
[02:45] <raphink> there's no headers and footers
[02:45] <raphink> in other languages than en
[02:45] <raphink> that's the problem ;)
[02:45] <raphink> try it with  /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/fr/kubuntu/packagingguide/index.html you'll see
[02:45] <Riddell> those pages are only ment to be accessed through the help:/ ioslave
[02:46] <raphink> ah
[02:46] <raphink> ic
[02:46] <Riddell> which seems to do something clever with common
[02:47] <raphink> yes it seems so
[02:47] <raphink> ok then the images work this way
[02:47] <Riddell> we could add lots of common symlinks to ../en/common
[02:47] <raphink> although I think some people might go to /usr/share to see them
[02:47] <raphink> and http://pastebin.com/730947 fixes that
[02:47] <raphink> this is what it does, symlinks
[02:48] <Riddell> you're ahead of me :)
[02:48] <Riddell> I'm just packaging docs now so I'll add that in
[02:48] <raphink> hehe
[02:48] <raphink> ok
[02:48] <raphink> I can add it
[02:48] <raphink> I have the package with this patch
[02:48] <seaLne> wouldn't mooving common out of en be better?
[02:48] <raphink> so I just have to dput it
[02:48] <raphink> seaLne: that would mean patching the whole khelpcenter stuff
[02:49] <raphink> Riddell: we also miss index.html pages
[02:49] <raphink> for higher levels in help:/
[02:49] <raphink> because people might want to see a list of available help pages
[02:49] <raphink> tht might be a feature for edgy if it's too hard
[02:49] <raphink> ;)
[02:49] <raphink> or too long
[02:49] <raphink> Riddell: are you ok with my patch so I can upload it?
[02:50] <Lure> Riddell, Hobbsee: yes, I want through CC meeting as I applied before Kubuntu-members was introduced. Does this mean I am automatically also member of kubuntu-members?
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Lure: i would expect so
[02:50] <raphink> Lure: you're an ubuntu member?
[02:50] <Lure> raphink: yes
[02:50] <Hobbsee> raphink: according to the hostmask :P
[02:50] <raphink> Lure: so I guess we can just add you to kubuntu members
[02:50] <raphink> Hobbsee: :p
[02:50] <Hobbsee> actually, i remember seeing that meeting...
[02:51] <Lure> Tonio_ gave some good comments and I passed somehow... ;-)
[02:51] <raphink> hehe
[02:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Lure: it's a bit like that, yeah :P
[02:52] <Hobbsee> most of them had heard of knm, i expect, so that would have helped..
[02:52] <Lure> however some CC members asked for Kubuntu core developers comments, but you were not there....
[02:53] <Lure> Kamion was there and also give good feedback on ubiquity testing and some remote debugging that I helped with
[02:53] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that's right
[02:54] <seaLne> birds with clogs on?
[02:54] <Riddell> raphink: don't upload a package, I'm just about to do that
[02:55] <raphink> Riddell: right
[02:55] <Riddell> raphink: if you can get it into svn that would be good
[02:55] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i've honestly got no idea...
[02:55] <raphink> I don't have access to the documentation svn
[02:55] <raphink> I should ask laserjobk
[02:55] <raphink> laserjock
[02:55] <raphink> Riddell: how about the index.html pages for /usr/share/kde/doc/HTML/$lang and blah/blah/$lang/kubuntu/ ?
[02:56] <raphink> do you think it's still possible to add some ?
[02:56] <raphink> at least to english?
[02:57] <raphink> so that when people type help:/ or help:/kubuntu
[02:57] <raphink> they don't get an error message
[02:58] <Riddell> I'd rather not do that for dapper at this stage
[02:58] <raphink> sure
[02:58] <raphink> then it should be done for edgy
[02:58] <raphink> well two HTML pages could be done really fast in english and put in kubuntu-docs
[02:58] <raphink> so it looks clean
[02:58] <raphink> with the idea of doing a whole stuff in docbook for edgy
[02:59] <raphink> it's dirty but at least people would get a list of available help docs in dapper
[03:00] <raphink> I'd consider these error pages to be bugs to fix rather than new features, just as long as it's about putting a list of available docs
[03:00] <raphink> I'll bbl
[03:00] <jjesse> so for edgy we need some html docs?
[03:01] <raphink> jjesse: we would need pages for help:/ and help:/kubuntu imo
[03:01] <raphink> so it looks cleaner
[03:01] <raphink> this is just two pages
[03:01] <jjesse> raphink: can you add what you think they should look like to KubuntuDocs/Edgy on the Wiki?
[03:01] <raphink> not sure if help:/ could be generated by a postinst from all the doc available :(
[03:01] <raphink> jjesse: not right now
[03:01] <raphink> I'm in a hurry
[03:02] <raphink> I just wanted to bring that patch and I'm going back to stuffing my car
[03:02] <jjesse> when you have a chance
[03:02] <raphink> sure
[03:02] <raphink> laters
[03:07] <Riddell> raphink: how fast can you do that?
[03:10] <Lure> Riddell: did you found the cause of too-big CD? I think it should be put to DapperReleaseRadar...
[03:10] <Riddell> Lure: not sure, gtk got brought back in and there's new language packs uploaded which I guess might be bigger
[03:11] <Riddell> I've changed the seeds now so I'll get the live CD remade once the new docs package is in
[03:11] <Riddell> oh and ship-live got added at some point which is a new seed that adds some stuff
[03:11] <Lure> ok, lets wait and see what we get...
[03:12] <Lure> maybe ship-live is tuned for ubuntu, but too-big for kubuntu?
[03:12] <Lure> edubuntu (but only i386) is oversized too...
[03:13] <Riddell> it's less than 3 MB
[03:13] <Lure> install CDs are good though...
[03:13] <Riddell> yes, they didn't change
[03:14] <Riddell> so it's all a bit of a mystery
[03:14] <Hobbsee> mystery solved :P
[03:24] <Riddell> raphink: I'm making your docs change in debian/rules, not postinst
[03:28] <marseillai_> [14:37]  <seaLne> marseillai_: ^ even ----->> it should be cron! and not with clean but autoclean wich is a better way to do!
[03:31] <seaLne> i was just suggesting a solution, cron-apt auto cleans
[03:33] <marseillai_> yes seaLne i've already it in cron.weekly
[03:33] <marseillai_> but i think it should be in ubuntu-base
[03:34] <seaLne> seems reasonable, not sure if auto update ever got in?
[03:35] <Riddell> seaLne: what CD did you do your install from?
[03:35] <seaLne> todays
[03:36] <seaLne> the first of today if there is now more than one
[03:36] <Riddell> excellent, thanks
[03:36] <Riddell> seaLne: did you get a popup at any time saying "new media found" during install?
[03:37] <raphink> Riddell: I wanted to put it in postinst for a reason
[03:37] <seaLne> no, i did get a popup saying something about being unable to talk to security.u.c
[03:37] <raphink> Riddell: because you can't be sure when you install kubuntu-docs that kdelibs-data is already installed, can you?
[03:38] <raphink> unless you run the script as postinst, and then you're sure to find the $lang/ dirs in /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML
[03:38] <raphink> since this piece of bash relies on the fact that the $lang/ dirs are already there
[03:38] <Riddell> the lang dirs are installed by the kubuntu-docs package
[03:39] <raphink> all of them?
[03:39] <raphink> then fine :)
[03:39] <PascalFr> hello all
[03:40] <raphink> yop PascalFr
[03:40] <PascalFr> i'm currently testing residual bugs in kde dapper
[03:40] <raphink> residual ;)
[03:40] <Riddell> raphink: all the ones with kubuntu docs anyway
[03:40] <raphink> Riddell: ok
[03:40] <raphink> makes snes
[03:40] <raphink> sense
[03:40] <Lure> Riddell: I have installed yesterday's live CD w/o problem (no new medium dialog)
[03:40] <Riddell> hi PascalFr, what have you found?
[03:40] <PascalFr> I started on a completly new profile and noticed a few strange things
[03:41] <Riddell> Lure: fantastic, thanks
[03:41] <Riddell> Lure: i386?
[03:41] <PascalFr> first 
[03:41] <raphink> Riddell: so  you're using a dh_link in install: ?
[03:41] <jjesse> i had no problems with i386 from yesterday either
[03:41] <Lure> Riddell: i386 and worldmap now works + auto selection of mpoints after manual partitioning - great work!
[03:41] <Riddell> raphink: I'm using ln -sf in debian/rules
[03:41] <raphink> Riddell: ok
[03:41] <PascalFr> I found this  file  .kde/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
[03:42] <PascalFr> where it should be kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.
[03:42] <PascalFr> where it should be kde/share/apps/kwallet/kdewallet.kwl
[03:42] <raphink> huh?
[03:42] <raphink> indeed
[03:42] <PascalFr> .kde/apps should not be created
[03:43] <raphink> PascalFr: has a bug been reported for this already?
[03:43] <raphink> yes PascalFr that is right
[03:43] <jeroenvrp> ok, who is the one responsible for not including amaroK 1.4!!!?
[03:43] <PascalFr> dont know  I wanted to be sure with you first
[03:43] <Riddell> PascalFr: hmm, yes
[03:43] <raphink> PascalFr: i've got it too
[03:43] <PascalFr> but i read smewhere somone talking about it wallet beeing erase or not available...
[03:43] <raphink> jeroenvrp: nobody, or everyone, or just blame UVF ;)
[03:43] <PascalFr> might be related
[03:44] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: the amarok developers, for not releasing it three months ago
[03:44] <jeroenvrp> thats a big big big shame
[03:44] <raphink> jeroenvrp: you'll do the UVFer next time
[03:44] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: packages are available
[03:44] <jeroenvrp> hopefully I can still do it
[03:44] <raphink> jeroenvrp: ?
[03:45] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I know, but their on the CD
[03:45] <raphink> jeroenvrp: if you want amarok 1.4, you can have it from kubuntu.org
[03:45] <jeroenvrp> not on the cd
[03:45] <raphink> yep
[03:45] <jeroenvrp> is there really not any change 1.4 will still be included
[03:45] <raphink> not any chance jeroenvrp
[03:45] <raphink> at all
[03:45] <jeroenvrp> ok, than I stop my whiniung :-)
[03:45] <jjesse> its way too late in the ball game
[03:46] <freeflying|away> Riddell: can we appy for a big bunch of kubuntu's CD  :)
[03:46] <raphink> there's a greater chance that the moon falls on you tonight I think
[03:46] <jeroenvrp> I will accept
[03:46] <raphink> jeroenvrp: new versions have been closed long time ago
[03:46] <jeroenvrp> yeah thats true, Koffice was one of the last exceptions
[03:46] <raphink> jeroenvrp: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[03:46] <jjesse> boy wouldn't it be wierd if the moon did fall tonight
[03:46] <jjesse> would we have to include amarok 1.4 then?
[03:47] <raphink> UVF was 3 months ago
[03:47] <jeroenvrp> about time the moon falls :-)
[03:47] <raphink> lol
[03:47] <raphink> I'm sure its thread will die soon
[03:47] <raphink> it's been hanging around too long
[03:48] <marseillai_> Riddell: i've found this archive : http://archives.free.net.ph/message/20060329.094730.5bf4420a.en.html it seems synaptic comes with an autoconfiguration wich removes old file from /var/cache/apt/archives but kubuntu has nothing similar. adept should manage this thing for edgy if mornfall agree and temporarily kubuntu could had manage this with using a weekly cron wich purge this files if free spaces on / is less t
[03:49] <PascalFr> bug 45999
[03:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45999 in kdeutils "default kwallet misplaced on a fresh kde user" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45999
[03:49] <Riddell> freeflying|away: yes, that should be available from shipit this week or next week
[03:49] <PascalFr> now it is in the base ;)
[03:50] <PascalFr> I have another big big problem ... 
[03:52] <PascalFr> On my fresh KDE user i cannot find any MENU entry for   openoffice applications nor kontact kmail ...
[03:52] <marseillai_> PascalFr: known bug
[03:52] <PascalFr> reference ?
[03:52] <marseillai_> wait
[03:52] <marseillai_> https://launchpad.net/bugs/45869
[03:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45869 in ept "adept-installer don't depends on app-install-data" [Normal,Fix committed]  
[03:53] <raphink> marseillai_: doesn't seem to be the same problem
[03:53] <marseillai_> ah
[03:53] <Riddell> mornfall: what plans for adept 2.0?
[03:53] <PascalFr> so should I open another one ?
[03:54] <Riddell> hmm, no sime
[03:55] <seaLne> is ubiquity intended to be the only installer for *ubuntu?
[03:55] <Riddell> PascalFr: do you have a bug number for the kwallet file issue?
[03:55] <PascalFr> bug 45999
[03:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45999 in kdeutils "default kwallet misplaced on a fresh kde user" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45999
[03:56] <Riddell> seaLne: no, the text installer CDs are still there, but ubiquity is only one on shipit
[03:56] <Riddell> PascalFr: thanks
[03:56] <seaLne> k
[03:57] <PascalFr> what component is impacted for missing menu entries ?
[03:57] <PascalFr> I mean culprit component
[03:57] <Riddell> PascalFr: do you have /usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop ?
[03:58] <OdyX> Riddell: just notices k3b is entirely in english now, still problems with translations ?
[03:58] <OdyX> imports to LP ?
[03:58] <Riddell> OdyX: hmm, yes
[03:58] <PascalFr> Riddell: yes  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7999 2006-04-27 09:26 /usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop
[03:58] <Riddell> PascalFr: then it's kdelibs fault if it doesn't show up in the menu
[03:59] <Riddell> PascalFr: although that's quite a problem, is this a new install?
[03:59] <PascalFr> does update-menu  adds it  normally?
[03:59] <Riddell> no, kbuildsycoca will rebuild the database though
[04:00] <PascalFr> no it was a breezy upgrade  I did on dapper FL4 if I remember
[04:01] <MrFaber> hi all
[04:01] <PascalFr> I erased my .kde today  to test on a new kde install
[04:01] <Hobbsee> hi MrFaber 
[04:01] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee :)
[04:06] <OdyX> What about kat in Edgy ?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> OdyX: stupid question, but does it work?
[04:06] <OdyX> Hobbsee: why stupid ?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> no, my stupid question, ie, a very obviuos one
[04:06] <Hobbsee> not yours :P
[04:07] <OdyX> Hobbsee: it "will", development seems on its way and maybe ready for Edgy
[04:07] <Hobbsee> right
[04:07] <OdyX> and with the help of the 4 new KDE devs, it could b something powerful and making Edgy Dapper-killer.
[04:07] <OdyX> :D
[04:08] <OdyX> Well.. Where is it to "propose" features ?
[04:08] <OdyX> for Edgy
[04:09] <OculusAquilae> OdyX: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFutureIdeas
[04:09] <OdyX> Thanks OculusAquilae
[04:11] <Hobbsee> which 4 new kde devs?
[04:11] <PascalFr> bug 43482
[04:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43482 in kubuntu-default-settings "entries missing from kde menu." [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43482
[04:11] <Hobbsee> didnt know we had more new people
[04:11] <PascalFr> I can add comments on this one 
[04:14] <PascalFr> kde really starts very fast now
[04:14] <Hobbsee> true
[04:14] <PascalFr> but session restoration is slow
[04:15] <Hobbsee> esp with an empty profile
[04:15] <PascalFr> yeah :)
[04:15] <OculusAquilae> should be tried out for edgy, some patches are already in kde 3.5.3 i think
[04:15] <PascalFr> Another annoying bug in kde ?  
[04:16] <PascalFr> I can confirm that konqueror DOES NOT start from the default kde internet menu
[04:16] <PascalFr> because of missing konqueror profile
[04:16] <OdyX> Hobbsee: new devs coming for Paris's mettin
[04:16] <Hobbsee> OdyX: ah right :)
[04:16] <OdyX> Hobbsee: was announced by sabdfl after LT2006
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ah, gotcha :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> i dont think
[04:18] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. I maybe interpolate, but new devs is for sure
[04:19] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[04:19] <Riddell> PascalFr: uploading fix for that right now
[04:19] <Riddell> PascalFr: do you have kubuntu-default-settings installed?
[04:20] <PascalFr> it is bug 45004
[04:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45004 in kdebase "konqueror :filebrowser profile only available" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45004
[04:20] <PascalFr> Riddel: ii  kubuntu-default-setting 6.06-20                 Default settings and artwork for the Kubuntu desktop
[04:42] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[05:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: shouldn't you be in bed??
[05:01] <freeflying> Riddell: who change the kubuntu meeting time to 21:00UTC on fridge and wiki?
[05:02] <Riddell> freeflying: I think it was always that time
[05:02] <Riddell> bed is a warm place to be
[05:02] <Hobbsee> you'd probably have the body fat to stay warm too...
[05:02] <Hobbsee> *is envious*
[05:10] <Riddell> mornfall|mx: any plans for an adept 2.0 release?
[05:10] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: yes, i need to get from this airport ;-)
[05:10] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: when i'm home i'll make it, that's in 40 hours or so
[05:11] <Riddell> mornfall|mx: anything in it apart from version number bump?  I need to put it on DapperReleaseRadar
[05:11] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: i have it mostly prepared
[05:11] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: yes, app-install-data dependency or such
[05:11] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: i'll check for others
[05:12] <Riddell> oh foo, that got removed in 1.92
[05:12] <mornfall|mx> Riddell: but i don't think i have other changes pending
[05:12] <Riddell> I think I'll make a quick upload with that change now actually, so it's in the RC
[05:15] <Hobbsee> wish lure or tonio_ was here - i'd like to see what the diff is between teh old and newer versions of knm...
[05:15] <Hobbsee> and when it comes otu
[05:16] <Hobbsee> i'd love to see that dodgy bug fixed in it, even if it came thru dapper updates or something
[05:16] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: could you or raphink upload patches for bug #37131 and bug #45791 today or tomorrow?
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37131 in kdebase "can't play dvd's with kaffeine using the kde window for removable devices" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37131
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45791
[05:16] <raphink> OculusAquilae: I'll test them now
[05:16] <OculusAquilae> nice
[05:21] <Riddell> raphink: let me know if/when you upload
[05:21] <raphink> sure Riddell
[05:21] <raphink> OculusAquilae: this patch goes to kaffeine, not to kdebase
[05:22] <OculusAquilae> raphink: right, wrong package in launchpad-bug
[05:22] <raphink> np
[05:22] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i didnt go thru the kdebase ones much, reassigning...
[05:27] <raphink> OculusAquilae: your patch for ktorrent is enormous
[05:27] <raphink> do you need such a HUGE patch?
[05:28] <kwwii> re
[05:28] <raphink> I don't think I can possibly accept a 2MB patch to fix i18n
[05:28] <raphink> hi kwwii :)
[05:28] <kwwii> hi raphink!
[05:29] <OculusAquilae> raphink: i will look at it again 
[05:29] <raphink> thanks OculusAquilae
[05:29] <pygi> hey raphink 
[05:29] <raphink> please make as small a change as possible OculusAquilae
[05:29] <raphink> hi pygi
[05:30] <Lathiat> lol 2MB patch
[05:30] <Lathiat>  isaw a patch for firefox the other day that was 400kb 
[05:31] <Lathiat> gzipped
[05:31] <raphink> I'm building kaffeine OculusAquilae
[05:31] <raphink> Lathiat: http://librarian.launchpad.net/2781936/kubuntu_01_translations.patch
[05:31] <raphink> this is the 2MB patch
[05:31] <raphink> I can't upload that
[05:31] <raphink> ;)
[05:31] <seaLne> is  Bug #39950 actually a bug?
[05:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39950 in kdebase "local files are treated as remote files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39950
[05:31] <raphink> esp. for such an app as ktorrent
[05:31] <Lathiat> hrm
[05:32] <Lathiat> not possible to make custom larger cd orders for kubuntu
[05:32] <raphink> Lathiat: yeah I noticed that, too
[05:32] <Lathiat> i've given out a good 100+ of warty, hoary and breezy with good interest, i'll hastle someone to see if i can get a custome rorder :)
[05:32] <Riddell> Lathiat: coming next week
[05:33] <Lathiat> i guess their tryign to cut down on the junk orders
[05:33] <Lathiat> Riddell: ah ok
[05:33] <Riddell> or later this week
[05:34] <Lathiat> interesting, why no mac edition for kubuntu bu tfor ubuntu?
[05:34] <raphink> seaLne: commented ;)
[05:34] <Lathiat> i guess powerpc macs are outdated anyway ;)
[05:35] <raphink> Lathiat: :p
[05:35] <seaLne> raphink: yeah, but should it be left open?
[05:35] <raphink> Lathiat: mind you, Riddell has got a mac mini and I've got a powerbook G4
[05:35] <Lathiat> raphink: and i've got a 486? *g*
[05:35] <raphink> kwwii also has a powerbook G4 btw
[05:35] <Hobbsee> must be nice, to have more than one machine...
[05:35] <raphink> seaLne: you can reject it I think
[05:36] <raphink> seaLne: this is a KDE feature, we're not going to "fix" that
[05:36] <Lathiat> its funny 2.5 years ago i had nothing, like a p233 with 128mb ram. :)
[05:36] <kwwii> I have 4 ppc machines :-)
[05:36] <raphink> kwwii:  :)
[05:36] <Lathiat> how working helps the pocket.
[05:36] <raphink> ppc powa
[05:36] <kwwii> :-)
[05:36] <kwwii> or better put, I *only* have ppc machines
[05:37] <raphink> Hobbsee: do you survive?
[05:37] <Lathiat> eugh 2 mouse button 'd drive me nuts
[05:37] <Lathiat> 2 drives mnuts enough
[05:37] <Hobbsee> raphink: no.
[05:37] <Lathiat> first thign i' do if i had a mac was get a 40 button mouse :)
[05:37] <seaLne> :)
[05:38] <Riddell> kwwii: are you going to go for kubuntu membership at the meeting tonight?
[05:39] <kwwii> Riddell: hrm, I guess I could try, even though I haven't been around very long
[05:39] <pygi> Riddell, we need to solve those 2 Kubuntu applications, and that should be now
[05:39] <Riddell> pygi: which two?
[05:39] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=deathon2legs%40gmail.com%3A15b99d7b%3Aaa9f5abe
[05:39] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=mickael.minarie%40laposte.net%3Af9f8c50e%3Abffaed73
[05:39] <pygi> what do you want with them?
[05:40] <Riddell> pygi: guy turned up on IRC for first one, he seems like a good SoCer
[05:41] <pygi> Riddell, oki, and second?
[05:41] <raphink> OculusAquilae: great patch for kaffeine, up it goes
[05:41] <raphink> Riddell: about to upload kaffeine
[05:41] <pygi> Riddell, I just also saw...
[05:41] <pygi> http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/app.html?csaid=yuriy.kozlov%40gmail.com%3A163a367b%3A88d89396
[05:41] <Riddell> raphink: go for it
[05:41] <raphink> Riddell: let's go :)
[05:41] <Riddell> raphink: edit DapperReleaseRadar when done
[05:42] <Riddell> pygi: not heard from the second guy but it's a useful project and can't be too difficult to do
[05:42] <pygi> Riddell, ok, and third? (that wine thingy)
[05:43] <Riddell> pygi: he's the same guy who put in an application for cups 1.2 support, which we thought would be too difficult for him
[05:43] <raphink> Riddell: shouldn't the kubuntu CC members be admins in the kubuntu-members group so they can add people?
[05:43] <Riddell> pygi: doing a guidance module or two should be all good though
[05:44] <pygi> Riddell, indeed
[05:44] <raphink> Riddell: DapperReleaseRadar updated :)
[05:44] <pygi> Riddell, but are you sure you wanna mentor all 4 applications? :-/ (along with that Kubuntu OEM redistrib.)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hehe yay!
[05:46] <raphink> OculusAquilae: package accepted, thanks for your contribution. I'm waiting for a new patch for ktorrent now. Send it to me when it's done :)
[05:46] <Riddell> pygi: I'll see if I can get sime to do the guidance one
[05:47] <pygi> Riddell, can you do it fast? The assigning thing must be done today :-/
[05:47] <pygi> I'll poke Jane to assign you on other three
[05:48] <Riddell> I've already pinged her
[05:48] <pygi> oki :)
[05:49] <pygi> Riddell, argh, we have just 45 mins until SoC becomes locked and JaneW is out :-/
[05:49] <pygi> who are the other admins?
[05:49] <pygi> mpool, and?
[05:49] <Riddell> I only know of mpool
[05:49] <Riddell> it closes at 16:30UTC?
[05:49] <pygi> it was actually already supposed to be locked, but heh :-/
[05:50] <pygi> It was supposed to be locked 45 mins ago, and google won't accept applications without assigned mentors
[05:50] <Hobbsee> doesnt seem like much point, really...
[05:50] <pygi> 17:00 pdt
[05:50] <kwwii> Hobbsee: erm, the meeting is in a couple of hours or?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> kwwii: meeting is in 5 hours, afaik
[05:50] <Hobbsee> @time
[05:50] <Ubugtu> Current time in UTC: May 22 2006, 15:50:50
[05:50] <Riddell> kwwii: 23:00 your time
[05:50] <Hobbsee> 4-9pm....5 hours, yeah.
[05:51] <kwwii> this UTC stuff still confounds me
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:51] <kwwii> sorry ;-)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> kwwii: you're only 2 hours out - yours does at least sound sane...
[05:51] <pygi> @time pdt
[05:51] <kwwii> Hobbsee: that is what I thought too
[05:52] <Hobbsee> that should be mentally calculatable
[05:52] <Hobbsee> and you dont have the DS differences like we do
[05:53] <Hobbsee> anyway, night for a bit
[05:54] <Riddell> pygi: where does it say that?
[05:54] <Riddell> pygi: PDT sounds american, and they're some hours away from 17:00
[05:54] <pygi> Riddell, it's 17:00 PDT locking, I just asked Danny 
[05:54] <pygi> indeed
[05:55] <Riddell> who's danny?
[05:55] <pygi> The google employee? :)
[05:55] <seaLne> Bug #40415 sounds to me just that blank screensaver is running?
[05:56] <Riddell> PDT is 7 hours behind UTC so we have 6 hours to go
[05:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40415 in kdebase "Switching back to a locked screen shows a blank screen. need to move mouse first." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40415
[05:56] <seaLne> if so i think it can be rejected?
[05:56] <pygi> Riddell, ah,ok
[05:56] <Riddell> seaLne: that's normal, it's a feature
[05:56] <Riddell> reject
[05:59] <kwwii> I guess 5 years at the uni studying higher math b0rked my arithmatic skills
[05:59] <OdyX> For those confounded with UTC: $ date --utc
[06:00] <kwwii> OdyX: now that is usefull, thanks :-)
[06:06] <seaLne> OdyX: you've spoiled peoples excuse for missing the meeting :)
[06:06] <OdyX> seaLne: you mean ?
[06:07] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: (about translation of .desktop-files of adept installer) what to do if there's no translation in kde-svn?
[06:07] <seaLne> "oh i thought the meeting started in an hour" or similar :)
[06:08] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: add one fast
[06:08] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: that's only possible via the desktop_*.pot-files right?
[06:09] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yes
[06:10] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-sysadmin/
[06:17] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok
[06:19] <OculusAquilae> raphink: shall I push the patch to launchpad?
[06:20] <raphink> OculusAquilae: send it to me : raphink@ubuntu.com
[06:20] <PascalFr> hello again
[06:21] <PascalFr> I have another one that i'd like to confirm with konqueror 
[06:22] <PascalFr> konqueror in web mode    goto -> Tools -> mini-tools -> configure     what window does open ?
[06:22] <Riddell> raphink, OculusAquilae: ktorrent .pos can be fixed by adding a call to make -f admin/Makefile.common in the debian/rules file
[06:22] <Riddell> s/ OculusAquilae / OdyX /
[06:22] <raphink> Riddell: ah
[06:23] <Riddell> actually, it was OculusAquilae I wanted :)
[06:23] <Riddell> OculusAquilae, raphink: I'm upoloading
[06:23] <raphink> ok
[06:23] <OdyX> Riddell: ;-)
[06:23] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: the ktorrent thing?
[06:23] <raphink> Riddell: are you also uploading kubuntu-docs?
[06:23] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: it's a one line patch !!!
[06:23] <OdyX> OculusAquilae: your patch is a 2mB thing...
[06:24] <OculusAquilae> OdyX: the new one is 455 byte :)
[06:24] <OdyX> OculusAquilae: fine ! ;-)
[06:24] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: http://librarian.launchpad.net/2781936/kubuntu_01_translations.patch is 2MB
[06:24] <Riddell> raphink: already uploaded that
[06:24] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I sent a new one to raphink 
[06:24] <raphink> Riddell: great
[06:24] <OculusAquilae> ok 
[06:25] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: autotools is an ugly problem
[06:25] <raphink> Riddell: OculusAquilae's patch is a one line patch for the Makefile
[06:25] <Riddell> ah right
[06:25] <raphink> cleaner imo
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> it only adds the translation-folder to the subdirs :)
[06:25] <Riddell> well you shouldn't patch Makefiles, they're autogenerated
[06:26] <Riddell> as is subdirs
[06:26] <raphink> ok
[06:26] <raphink> yeah right
[06:43] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok, translated. what about the script in kde-svn, does it run so often, that the translation gets into svn until you/mornfall make(s) the package?
[06:46] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: if we put it in SVN today scripty will run overnight and put the strings in the .desktop files
[06:46] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: got a URL to your translation?
[06:46] <Riddell> Sime: hi
[06:46] <Sime> hi
[06:46] <Riddell> Sime: how is the guidance .pot files made?
[06:46] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: kde-svn
[06:47] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: scripty is the strings run over KDE's SVN to merge translations
[06:47] <Sime> Riddell: python setup.py update_messages
[06:47] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: right
[06:47] <Sime> Riddell: python setup.py build_messages
[06:47] <Sime> Riddell: one of those
[06:50] <Riddell> Sime: we should try and get it into the normal KDE translations
[06:50] <Riddell> which should just need a Makefile.am with a messages target that calls that python thing
[06:51] <Riddell> although that'll need kdedistutils to be installed on KDE's server
[06:51] <Riddell> Sime: can you tell it which directory to output to?
[06:51] <Sime> nope
[06:51] <Sime> not on the command line anyway
[06:52] <Riddell> I think that's needed
[06:56] <Sime> it is probably easy enough to work around
[06:57] <Sime> how is the release shaping up anyway?
[06:57] <Sime> are you happy with kubuntu right now?
[06:57] <Riddell> I need to sort out .po files from k3b
[06:58] <Riddell> and the CDs are oversized so once kdebase gets compiled and in the archive I'll ask for them to be remade and see if they fit
[06:58] <Riddell> oh and we're waiting on jjesse to give us the kubuntu chapter from the book
[06:58] <Riddell> but otherwise I'm optimistic
[06:58] <Riddell> we need to make a testing wiki page for kubuntu RC
[06:59] <Lure> Riddell: is Kubuntu DVD available and should be tested too?
[06:59] <Riddell> Lure: you can try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20060519/
[06:59] <Riddell> they're completely untested so I've no idea if they work
[06:59] <Riddell> so yes, testing would be handy
[07:00] <Riddell> Sime: what was that guidance bug that needed fixed?
[07:00] <Sime> Riddell: I think it was fixed in the *.ubuntu2 package.
[07:00] <Lure> Riddell: I expect DVD provides both Live CD (with Ubiquity) + Install CD + additional packages, right?
[07:00] <Riddell> Lure: yes
[07:01] <Riddell> Sime: any way to confirm that?
[07:01] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will download now and test it today/tommorow 
[07:01] <Riddell> Lure: thanks
[07:03] <Sime> Riddell: yes. I just look at the source that is install under /usr/lib/... and see if that bugged line of code is still there.
[07:03] <Sime> Riddell: .....and it is fixed.
[07:03] <Riddell> Sime: wonderful, thanks
[07:03] <Sime> the joys of python. :-)
[07:12] <jjesse> did someone ping me?
[07:13] <OdyX> Could someone give an advice on bug 41955 ? Isn't that "critical" regarding user's possibility to easily share with Windows users ?
[07:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41955 in kdenetwork "Normal user cannot share folders from home, even if authorised" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41955
[07:14] <Riddell> OdyX: it's an important bug but it's not critical
[07:14] <OdyX> Riddell: any idea for solving it ?
[07:15] <Riddell> OdyX: not really
[07:15] <OdyX> Riddell: seems pretty deep problem, huh ?
[07:20] <yuriy> good morning
[07:21] <Riddell> OdyX: it is, but it's also not a new problem
[07:21] <Riddell> hi yuriy 
[07:21] <OdyX> Riddell: edgy then :D
[07:21] <Riddell> OdyX: I suppose so
[07:21] <OdyX> Riddell: I note it on the Wiki
[07:22] <OdyX> Riddell: Konqueror still crashes a lot with pages containing multimedia (audio or video), any chance to solve these big issues for Dapper ?
[07:23] <uniq> probably not.
[07:23] <OdyX> uniq: well.. Bad bad then...
[07:24] <yuriy> i see soc discussion. too bad if you decide i can't handle cups, but I can see why, though i think I could do it
[07:24] <uniq> well.. we can't re-make KDE before release.
[07:24] <yuriy> anything else we need to discuss?
[07:24] <OdyX> uniq: because it does not only crash your tab, but all tabs (even current LP translations :-P) and sometimes all konqueror instances..
[07:25] <uniq> odyx: you can choose to use one konqueror process for each konqueror instance.. might limit the damage to the one konq instance.
[07:25] <OdyX> uniq: well.. This is workaround... no bug solving.. :D
[07:26] <OdyX> uniq: but I note it
[07:26] <uniq> I know, it's limiting the damage.
[07:26] <OdyX> how ?
[07:26] <OdyX> well... how do I choose that ?
[07:27] <uniq> konqueror -> settings -> config konq -> performance
[07:28] <uniq> or something similar.. i translated from norwegian, might be some difference.
[07:28] <OdyX> well. Thanks.
[07:28] <OdyX> Norvegian => English => French
[07:28] <OdyX> Funny
[07:29] <uniq> hehe.. :)
[07:30] <uniq> if you set "Minimize memory usage" to "Never".
[07:31] <OdyX> Yep. Seen
[07:31] <OdyX> Thanks
[07:31] <OdyX> will be good for testing
[07:31] <OdyX> :D
[07:44] <Riddell> Sime: I've added a Makefile.am to guidance in SVN, lets see if scripty gives us a .pot file tomorrow
[07:46] <Riddell> yuriy: I hope you understand my sceptisism with your KDE and CUPS project, it's a difficult code base and you don't have any KDE or CUPS or C++ experience
[07:46] <Riddell> it's not that I wouldn't love to have some kdeprint love
[07:46] <Riddell> and your guidance project would also be cool to have
[07:47] <yuriy> well i'd still definitely like to do the guidance one then
[07:47] <yuriy> was there a fix recently for bug #45650 or are we experiencing more sporadic effects of the bug?
[07:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45650 in kdeutils "View Mode button unavailable (really!)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45650
[07:48] <Riddell> yuriy: there's not been any recent changes
[07:49] <Riddell> yuriy: also I don't know much about kdeprint, so I wouldn't be a good mentor
[07:49] <yuriy> oh
[07:51] <yuriy> in that case who IS going to do the work that needs to be done (judging by the kdeprint/cups problems appearing/discussed in the last couple of months)
[07:52] <Riddell> in theory Christian Tribina, although he's a busy man
[07:53] <Riddell> yuriy: the API breakage in KDE for CUPS 1.2 has been fixed though, what else would you work on?
[07:54] <yuriy> oh, in that case, nevermind i guess..
[07:55] <Riddell> there's lots that still needs fixed, but I don't know the specifics of what that is
[07:55] <yuriy> yeah, it would be tough.  i thought the api breakage would give me a start and then i would have gone through a lot of the code and would know what i'm doing
[08:02] <Sime> Riddell: ok, thanks for that.
[08:02] <Sime> Riddell: are you guys talking about that SoC idea that showed up in my email a week ago?
[08:04] <Riddell> Sime: there's at least a couple for guidance, yuriy's looks like being the only one with a chance of being accepted
[08:04] <Sime> Riddell, yuriy: which one is that?
[08:04] <yuriy> oh, good to know
[08:04] <Riddell> his application is for Wine, but my evil plan is to get him doing other things as well :)
[08:04] <yuriy> a configuration module for wine
[08:05] <yuriy> Riddell: i don't mind
[08:05] <Sime> ok,
[08:05] <Sime> that might be a good one for the simple reason that I've been using Wine quite a bit lately.
[08:05] <Riddell> now if only Jane would come back from the gym we can get mentors assigned
[08:08] <Sime> is there a written proposal for the Wine SoC project?
[08:09] <Riddell> Sime: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/soc-wine.text
[08:10] <yuriy> tell me if i need to try to add more specifics to it
[08:11] <Riddell> one thing that would be nice if we get a wine guidance module is the ability in system settings to hide it if wine isn't installed
[08:12] <Riddell> Sime: you can sign up at http://code.google.com/soc/mentor_home.html to be a mentor
[08:13] <yuriy> Riddell: of course (but i'll take note to make sure i don't forget by then)
[08:25] <Sime> Riddell, yuriy: I'm missing some high-level usage scenarios for the wine SoC project.
[08:26] <Sime> Riddell, yuriy: What should an end user be able to do with the Wine config thingy at the end of the project, which they can't do now?
[08:27] <Sime> Riddell, yuriy: also, are certain WIN32 applications types being targetted here?
[08:27] <Sime>  (I'm personally not super interested in putting proprietary software on linux. Games might be an exception here)
[08:29] <yuriy> i wasn't planning on targeting any specific applications (well.. except for the installer idea i guess, that was meant for games), but games are personally my concern with wine usage
[08:29] <Sime|BRB> cool.
[08:29] <Sime|BRB> I'll be back in an hour or so.
[08:30] <yuriy> and I kind of agree with you in terms of proprietary software, so in that way games are sort of being targeted
[09:16] <poimen> sup!?
[09:35] <yuriy> Riddell, Sime: is it ok for the module to be LGPL? because wine is... or am I wrong to assume my module would have to be LGPL as well?
[09:35] <Riddell> unless it uses code from wine it doesn't need to follow the wine licence
[09:35] <Riddell> and being pykde it'll need to be GPL
[09:37] <yuriy> it would use some code from winecfg...
[09:37] <Riddell> doesn't wine have a weird licence anyway?
[09:37] <Riddell> it has proprietry derivatives
[09:38] <yuriy> it's LGPL according to the about screen and the site
[09:38] <Riddell> right
[09:39] <Riddell> well you can use wine code fine then, it just probably has to be GPL'ed
[09:39] <toma> codeweaver is commercial and proprietary
[09:39] <toma> crossover, not codeweaver.
[09:40] <yuriy> toma: i know, but wine isn't.. i guess the LGPL allows for that somehow?
[09:40] <Riddell> they must add their own libraries
[09:41] <Riddell> I thought wine used the artistic licence
[09:41] <toma> crossover is far better then wine, so wine is the derivate from crossover if i should guess.
[09:43] <Sime> wine existed first.
[09:43] <toma> aha
[09:45] <seaLne> its the "pay us for the better features" model of business
[09:46] <toma> seaLne: everyone wants to eat ;-)
[09:47] <Sime> Riddell: ok, I've submitted the mentoring form for SoC.
[09:48] <seaLne> toma: i prefer the "skiving at work to do fun stuff" method :)
[09:51] <Riddell> Sime: did you tick the ubuntu box?
[09:51] <Sime> what ubuntu box?
[09:51] <Sime> yes, yes I did. :-)
[09:53] <allee> hi toma back from tv-mode ;)
[09:53] <toma> allee: tv-mode and chatting go together
[09:54] <allee> toma: with the digikamapp.cpp patch, several digikam instances are started
[09:54] <toma> allee: should not make a difference
[09:55] <allee> toma: wasn't there a readonly lock for the second instance?
[09:55] <Riddell> Sime: please mark yuriy's guidance project as "I will montor this" http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/open.html
[09:55] <toma> allee: not that I know, should be in your desktop file then
[09:56] <allee> toma: okay.
[09:56] <toma> allee: but two digiKams make no sense to me, so maybe change that behaviour
[09:56] <allee> toma: yeah, I never understood why it's no unique app
[09:57] <allee> toma: we wrote once a wrapper before 0.8.1 release to workaround this
[09:57] <allee> toma: ah, umount from menu
[09:57] <allee> need  some more 'uncomments' me.
[09:57] <Sime> Riddell: BTW, how do you get to that page via the front page?
[09:58] <toma> allee: that was the third line I mentioned
[09:58] <toma> allee: making it an uniq app is straightforward
[09:58] <allee> toma: short story: I'm still not sure if we keep the service desktop file and uncomment 'your' 3 lines or remove it
[09:58] <Riddell> Sime: no idea
[09:58] <Riddell> Sime: your mentor home should link you
[09:58] <allee> toma: oh, I tought I uncommented all three
[09:58] <allee> checking ...
[09:59] <toma> allee: for dapper or dapper+1 ?
[09:59] <allee> toma: dapper
[09:59] <toma> allee: do the safe thing for dapper and experiment in the beginning of dapper+1
[10:00] <toma> safe thing = disable imho
[10:00] <allee> toma: yeah, my feeling too.  but it's a sad :(
[10:00] <toma> yes. I promise we can work on it. I will have some more time soon
[10:00] <allee> COOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
[10:01] <toma> you just promise to buy your children a horse ;-)
[10:01] <allee> toma: fwiw. I leave this friday for 10 days holiday (so back after dapper release)
[10:01] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 1 hour
[10:01] <allee> Joern give toma his mick back!
[10:01] <allee> nick that is
[10:02] <toma> allee: ok, we can work onm it when you are back and do it right this time
[10:02] <Sime> Riddell: that is by the "Evaluation" pulldown?
[10:03] <toma> allee: be careful!
[10:03] <allee> toma: too late ;)
[10:04] <Riddell> Sime: yes
[10:10] <yuriy> Riddell, Sime: I tried to answer some of your questions (benefits, etc) and posted an updated proposal at http://people.brandeis.edu/~ykozlov/socprop1
[10:11] <yuriy> I think I can add a bit more, i'll get back to it in a couple hours
[10:23] <Sime> Riddell: ok, I've got that SoC project page in order now.
[10:26] <allee> raphink: digikam camera hotplug is not working as it should.  Please apply and upload: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/interdiff-0.8.2~rc1-0ubuntu2.diff
[10:27] <raphink> allee: I will, tonight
[10:27] <raphink> in a few hours
[10:27] <allee> raphink: thx!
[10:28] <allee> raphink: I guess I'll apply for MOTU after holidays.  Bothering others with stuff like this is somehow nonsense ;)
[10:28] <raphink> :)
[10:29] <kmon> may I ask a question about the paris summit? ;)
[10:30] <Riddell> sure
[10:30] <kmon> should the kde dev's that are going to be invited included in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis/Attendees
[10:31] <kmon> arg, sorry for my awfull english
[10:31] <kmon> new keyboard and I'm still not used to it
[10:31] <Riddell> they aren't on that page
[10:31] <kmon> ohh
[10:31] <kmon> ok
[10:32] <kmon> what page then? :)
[10:32] <raphink> allee: is there a bug linked to this change?
[10:32] <Riddell> the internal canonical wiki page
[10:33] <allee> raphink: no.  It does not work.  That's all.  Plugin you camera and select digikam
[10:33] <raphink> ok
[10:33] <raphink> sure
[10:33] <raphink> I'm building
[10:34] <kmon> it's only for warhogs
[10:34] <kmon> :(
[10:34] <Riddell> kmon: what do you want to know
[10:34] <toma> raphink: its either this patch or another patch which I consider experimental
[10:34] <kmon> the invited people
[10:34] <kmon> yust curious
[10:35] <kmon> just
[10:35] <Riddell> kmon: aseigo, sebas, kwwii, ervin and ellen also dfaure for a day
[10:35] <raphink> toma: can you check it?
[10:35] <kmon> zrusin?
[10:35] <Riddell> no
[10:36] <toma> raphink: the patch of allee is ok, it removes the service menu, a bit sad but better then something not working at all
[10:36] <Sime> yuriy: have you had a look at Winetools? ( http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ )
[10:36] <raphink> yes
[10:36] <toma> raphink: i'll work with allee for this feature for dapper+1
[10:37] <kmon> aseigo was looking for you yesterday in #kubuntu
[10:37] <kmon> late night
[10:49] <yuriy> Sime: i've used it before, it's unmaintained, right?
[10:50] <Sime> I don't know about that...
[10:56] <yuriy> Sime: well not quite, i guess there were some updates last year
[10:58] <yuriy> Riddell, Sime: according to section 3 of LGPL, i'm fine on that front
[11:00] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in a minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:04] <Riddell> ping raphink, toma 
[11:05] <toma> pong
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[11:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yo
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry for hanging up on you - line was so bad...
[11:08] <allee> raphink: meeting!
[11:12] <Tonio_> hey
[11:12] <Lure> Tonio_: -> #ubuntu-meeting
[11:14] <Tonio_> lure thanks
[11:20] <raphink> sorry allee I'm stuffing my car I've got far more urgent than a meeting
[11:20] <raphink> I've got to leave tomorrow morning
[11:20] <raphink> and the night is not that long
[11:21] <Lure> raphink: good luck with packing (I hate it too ;-))
[11:21] <allee> raphink: fine.  good luck  (and as much sleep as possible ;)
[11:22] <raphink> and let it be known that lure has my +1 for membership
[11:22] <raphink> :)
[11:23] <Lure> raphink: ;-) - I hope I pass by the fact that I am Ubuntu member already ;-)
[11:23] <Tonio_> raphink: lacheur !!!!!!!!
[11:24] <raphink> Tonio_: j'ai 10h de route demain matin  7h
[11:25] <raphink> et j'ai  peine la place de rentrer dans ma voiture
[11:25] <raphink> et c'est pas fini
[11:25] <Tonio_> raphink: tryc de payday stou ;)
[11:25] <raphink> alors dsl
[11:25] <raphink> :p
[11:25] <Tonio_> bon aller ca va va te coucher :)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> oh no, not again :P
[11:41] <Riddell> raphink!
[11:42] <raphink> Riddell: yes?
[11:42] <Riddell> raphink: meeting!
[11:42] <raphink> Riddell: I have to leave tomorrow at 7
[11:42] <raphink> and my parents are helping me stuff the car
[11:42] <raphink> I really can't attend
[11:42] <raphink> I'm really sorry
[11:42] <Riddell> raphink: ok, no problem
[11:43] <Riddell> stop idling on IRC then and go and help them
[11:43] <Lure> lol
[11:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:45] <raphink> I'll get the comp off
[11:45] <raphink> as I have to put it in the car
[11:45] <raphink> night everybody
[11:45] <raphink> and congrats kwwii
[11:45] <kwwii> thanks man :-)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> night rap
[11:45] <Hobbsee> :(
[11:52] <Tonio_> toma: alle just reminds me I confused you with danimo... sorry for this...
[11:52] <Tonio_> I'm just out of work and need a few moment to get my brain in "ubuntu mode"
[11:52] <toma> Tonio_: oouch... that comparisation fails on more fronts ;-)
[11:52] <Tonio_> toma: well I spent 10 hours on a windows 2003 server today........
[11:53] <Tonio_> hard to think correctly after this...
[11:53] <kwwii> oh, be honest, you have been playing tetris on that machine all day
[11:53] <Tonio_> kwwii: I would like so ;)
[11:53] <Zerlinna> kwwii: not everybody's like you... congrats btw ;)
[11:54] <kwwii> hehe
[11:54] <Tonio_> kwwii: corrupted ldap directory, exchange crashing plus a few other things...
[11:54] <kwwii> thanks Zerlinna
[11:54] <Tonio_> I'm TIRED
[11:54] <kwwii> :-)
[11:54] <Zerlinna> kwwii: did you change the blood-wallpaper? :-P
[11:55] <kwwii> Zerlinna: nope, I left it just for you :-9
[11:55] <kmon> FYI I've added a post in distrowatch pointing out the kubuntu development newsletter
[11:55] <Tonio_> toma: in any case it is the last time I'm doing such a mistake...
[11:56] <toma> Tonio_: hehe, no problem....
[11:56] <Zerlinna> kwwii: so I really should put it instead of mine... ;)
[11:57] <kmon> and sent a mail to fridge-devel
[11:57] <kwwii> Zerlinna: I made it just for you! I hope you use it!
[11:57] <kwwii> :-)
[11:58] <Zerlinna> kwwii: guess I have to :D
[11:58] <Zerlinna> kwwii: I've proofread the german flyer.. but I'm note sure about the spacing
[11:58] <kwwii> Zerlinna: the spacing still needs work
[11:59] <Zerlinna> kwwii: yeah I can see that
[11:59] <kwwii> Zerlinna: I fixed the english version already, but wanted to wait until the text is perfect until I do the spacing again
[11:59] <Zerlinna> kwwii: do you have the english flyer somewhere? then I could compare
[11:59] <kwwii> Zerlinna: I put it in the new example-content package...running a really new system?
[12:00] <Zerlinna> kwwii: hehe.. installed it yesterday ;)
[12:00] <kwwii> there should be a png in there
[12:00] <kwwii> svgs are no longer allowed :-(
[12:00] <Zerlinna> why that?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: surely we should be *deleting* all users partitions?  the bug is that we're not...
[12:01] <Zerlinna> Riddell: got it :)
[12:02] <Zerlinna> Riddell: oups sorry
[12:02] <Zerlinna> kwwii: that was for you.. "got it" ;)
[12:02] <kwwii> Zerlinna: well, a package has to be installed per default to edit that content with
[12:02] <Zerlinna> kwwii: and the name of that package is?
[12:03] <kwwii> inkscape would be the editor of choice
[12:04] <Zerlinna> kwwii: the program you really adore... ;) I have it
[12:04] <kwwii> god knows that karbon is total shit
[12:04] <Zerlinna> ah you mean.. _because_ another app has to be installed the svg is no longer allowed.. right?
[12:04] <kwwii> exactly
[12:05] <Zerlinna> kwwii: see.. didn't work for about 2 days now my brain is still in screensaver mode ;)
[12:05] <kwwii> hehe, lucky you!
[12:06] <Zerlinna> you think? I was 30min late today at uni :-/
[12:06] <kwwii> no working and you still show up late?
[12:06] <Zerlinna> for the spacing: the orange titles should be a bit closer to the related text I think
[12:08] <Zerlinna> I arrived at home at midnight yesterday.. ;)
[12:09] <Zerlinna> kwwii: doesn't the new license of the wiki affect your artwork?
[12:09] <kwwii> new license?
[12:09] <kwwii> I do not really care which license my stuff has....it should be as free as possible
[12:10] <Zerlinna> they want to make all the wiki public domain
[12:10] <Zerlinna> ya but doesnt this mean that everybody can use the logo without any permission?
[12:10] <kwwii> what?
[12:10] <Zerlinna> kwwii: I'll forward you the mail I've got 
[12:10] <kwwii> they are crazy
[12:11] <kwwii> does anyone have any idea of what they are doing?
[12:11] <Zerlinna> kwwii: mail sent
[12:11] <kwwii> thnx
[12:11] <kmon> bye
[12:12] <Lure> kmon: bye
[12:12] <Zerlinna> kwwii: welcome.. anyway I'm asking myself if it's legal to _change_ a license in this way
[12:12] <Zerlinna> kwwii: especially for artwork
[12:12] <kwwii> it is not the artwork itself which is the problem
[12:12] <kwwii> it is the rights to logos and such that we should be carefull of
[12:13] <Zerlinna> of course.. but p.ex. for the artwork it's said that some part of it is licensed under cc... and I don't think you can just change a cc license to public domain
[12:13] <Zerlinna> but the logos are more important of course :)
[12:13] <kwwii> yeah, good point
[12:14] <kwwii> but Riddell asked me about what I want for a license and I told him I do not care
[12:14] <kwwii> I mean, when I am getting money to do something for a company, I signed all the rights away when I signed the contract
[12:15] <Zerlinna> kwwii: ya but for the other hundreds of contributor of the wiki...
[12:15] <kwwii> hehe, good point
[12:15] <Zerlinna> and since you didn't get that mail I don't if everybody else has got it
[12:15] <Zerlinna> don +know if..
[12:15] <kwwii> yeah
[12:15] <kwwii> good point
[12:16] <Riddell> the ubuntu logo is CC
[12:16] <Riddell> so the kubuntu logo is too
[12:16] <Zerlinna> so either it has to be removed completely from the wiki
[12:16] <kwwii> but you cannot put that on a page listing a different license
[12:17] <Zerlinna> or something like that.. - but as you can see they want to make the whole wiki public domain
[12:19] <Zerlinna> kwwii: ah maybe it's just for _new_ pages... 
[12:19] <kwwii> ahhha!
[12:19] <kwwii> now that is different
[12:19] <Zerlinna> kwwii: though that could end up in kind of a mess ;)
[12:19] <Zerlinna> what?
[12:19] <Zerlinna> ago
[12:20] <kwwii> well, guess my server is slow tonight
[12:20] <Riddell> Zerlinna: why are you asking about licences?
[12:20] <kwwii> well, she is lawyer and is trying to find a new case
[12:20] <kwwii> lol
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: have a bad news for paris june......
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm?
[12:21] <Zerlinna> Riddell: ya you know the internet is full of money :-D
[12:21] <Tonio_> looks like my company want to f**k me up cause I'm leaving...
[12:21] <Tonio_> they don't want to accept my vacations........
[12:21] <Riddell> poo
[12:21] <Lure> Tonio_: I ha ve reproduced sun-java5-bin problem with adept...
[12:21] <kwwii> Tonio_: I'll never get that beer/wine out of you!
[12:21] <Tonio_> so I need to be sure what I risk if I don't come for one complete week :)
[12:21] <Zerlinna> Riddell: I was just thinking about all the protected logos getting into a public domain license on the wiki... 
[12:22] <Tonio_> kwwii: I will come anyway, but I need to be sure what the risks are
[12:22] <Riddell> Zerlinna: the wiki licence change (which is legally highly dubious anyway) is only for the text as far as I know, not the images
[12:22] <Tonio_> kwwii: I already gave my letter to leave, so the rules are a bit different, they cannot fire me ;)
[12:22] <kwwii> Tonio_: of course, I was only kidding anyway
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's france, can't you just go on strike or something?
[12:23] <kwwii> rotfl
[12:23] <Lure> Riddell: lol
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: hahah :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's an idea :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact the problem is that my boss is a kind of stupid asshole...
[12:24] <Zerlinna> Riddell: in the mail they're talking about "material"
[12:24] <Tonio_> and 2 weeks ago, I send an email to all the company explaining my opinion on her...
[12:24] <Tonio_> 4 pages of destruction, and that doesn't help for vacations of course
[12:24] <kwwii> see y'all tomorrow
[12:24] <Zerlinna> kwwii: see ya :) 
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: ah !
[12:25] <Tonio_> mornfall: arround ?
[12:25] <OdyX> Tonio_: next time... First ask vacation, then fire them.. :D
[12:25] <Tonio_> Lure: the java bug is quite annoying, since about everyone will install it with adept
[12:25] <Tonio_> OdyX: I will think about it yes ;)
[12:25] <kwwii> Zerlinna: go to bed soon, or you'll be late for school again :-)
[12:26] <Zerlinna> kwwii: that was just what I was thinking *lol*
[12:26] <Lure> Tonio_: true - this is what I get on Show Details: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8467/adeptjava2bw.png
[12:26] <allee> Zerlinna: nite too ;)
[12:26] <Zerlinna> allee: gut nacht :)
[12:26] <kwwii> stick with me and everything will be all right :-)
[12:27] <Lure> Tonio_, Riddell: I will submit but, but not sure if this can be fixed on short notice...
[12:27] <Zerlinna> kwwii: :-D
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: I don't get this, I have the normal screen when using "adept" and not "adept-installer", but it's freezing anyway........
[12:27] <Zerlinna> kwwii: maybe you'll get the mail till tomorrow ;)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: probably only mornfall can
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: i got that mail.
[12:27] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: so what do you think of it?
[12:27] <Tonio_> Lure: does it freeze for you ?
[12:28] <Lure> Tonio_: I think it is problem with interactive pre/post scripts that adept* cannot handle
[12:28] <Riddell> gosh that's evil
[12:28] <kwwii> Zerlinna: yeah, I hope so
[12:28] <Tonio_> Lure: it can for some postinst
[12:28] <Lure> Tonio_: yes - it stops on 20% and I can only click Show/Hide details
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: for the stuff that i add to the wiki?  i dont mind - hadnt even thought about hwat it was under
[12:29] <Tonio_> Lure: did you try with the standard adept ?
[12:29] <Lure> Tonio_: not yet, but will do...
[12:30] <Tonio_> Lure: the fact it stops on 20% is normal, but you should get the standard screen on details like in shell
[12:30] <Tonio_> actually it shows up here, and adept freeze....
[12:30] <Tonio_> Lure: I will post a bug, with major priority
[12:31] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: I dont' care for my stuff either - I was just thinking about the artwork / logo because in the mail theres talk of "material" (not of text only) - but if it affects only new contributions and if it's marked clearly it could be ok
[12:31] <Hobbsee> true
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Zerlinna: welcome, btw...another female :P
[12:32] <Zerlinna> Hobbsee: thank you :-) 
[12:32] <Lure> Tonio_: #46083
[12:32] <Lure> (close as duplicate if you already did)
[12:33] <Zerlinna> so.. I'm really going to bed now... nighty-night :)
[12:33] <Hobbsee> mmmm...bed...
[12:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what does Ubuntero mean on a launchpad people page?
[12:35] <Lure> Riddell: signed CoC
[12:35] <allee> Riddell: signed coc
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you dont know?  means that they've fulfilled the requirements for it, ie, signed COC
[12:35] <Riddell> ah, that answers my next question
[12:35] <allee> lauchpad slang ;)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:36] <Riddell> Lure: I've done my time
[12:36] <Riddell> I was the first ubuntu member who went through the community council
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
[12:36] <Lure> Riddell: really - lucky you...
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe.  bet you got in easily then :P
[12:37] <Tonio_> Lure: I just confimed with regular adept
[12:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: when you're arround : bug 46083
[12:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46083 in ept "cannot install sun-java5-bin" [Major,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46083
[12:46] <Lure> Riddell: should we put ^^^ to DapperReleaseRadar?
[12:48] <Riddell> Lure: I don't see that get getting fixed in the next few days
[12:49] <Lure> Riddell: you may be right - let's wait for mornfall to comment
[12:49] <Riddell> he's probably on a plane just now
[12:50] <Riddell> spose I should do the koffice release thing
[12:52] <apokryphos> flickr's great :D. Good with new kipi-plugins
[12:53] <apokryphos> (though /me still dreams of improvements with it: upload to given set/create set, folders that synchronise etc)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> cant say i've ever used flickr
[12:55] <apokryphos> it's really great. Nice and clean (has a good API, I hear, so tools are easy to make for it). But more than just that: the web tools provided are really excellent (some super javascript going on there)
[12:56] <Riddell> apokryphos: how do I batch add tags to photos?
[12:56] <apokryphos> it's more than easy enough to get my parents to use (who aren't that very comptuer-literate), but still quite powerful for other users
[12:56] <apokryphos> Riddell: before uploading?
[12:56] <Riddell> no after
[12:56] <apokryphos> i.e. when uploading
[12:56] <apokryphos> organize > drag into section > add tag, no?
[12:56] <Riddell> photos are uploaded
[12:57] <apokryphos> yeah
[12:57] <Riddell> so I've done Organise->Most Recently Uploaded
[12:57] <apokryphos> the filter on the bottom there is very handy. And finally, a complex organiser and set of things that works perfectly in firefox to konqueror
[12:58] <Riddell> and it gives me this funky javascript enabled page
[12:58] <apokryphos> bulk grab them (use shift or ctrl), put them in that area, then add tags
[12:58] <Riddell> holy guacamole!  I just exploded a photo
[12:59] <apokryphos> deleted? :O
[12:59] <Riddell> I dragged and dropped into the box and it exploded
[12:59] <Riddell> reading the box again it says "drop here to remove from this set"
[12:59] <Riddell> s/set/batch/
[12:59] <apokryphos> hm, are you under the "Batch Organize" tab?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> er...exploded????
[01:00] <Riddell> apokryphos: I am
[01:00] <Riddell> still can't find any way to add tags to them
[01:00] <apokryphos> drop here to edit as batch, yes, that's the area
[01:00] <apokryphos> near the top, Edit Photos, Permissions, Edit dates, Add tags
[01:01] <Riddell> Add Tags doesn't do anything
[01:01] <Riddell> I suspect it doesn't like konqueror
[01:01] <apokryphos> hm, works fine here
[01:01] <apokryphos> I noticed there are one or two extra effects in firefox, but I've never lost any functionality in Konq
[01:01] <apokryphos> (and I've uploaded/played with over 2000 images with flickr now)
[01:01] <Riddell> what is Add Tags supposed to do?
[01:02] <apokryphos> just a tag so that they're more easy to locate later (you can search for <sometag>) and for others to be able to find it under the search
[01:02] <apokryphos> personally I only really use the sets, but sometimes the tags too
[01:03] <apokryphos> Add Tags is supposed to bring up a new text box
[01:03] <apokryphos> and you just enter the tags there you want
[01:05] <Riddell> doesn't work in firefox either
[01:05] <Riddell> do I have to select them somehow?
[01:05] <apokryphos> only drag them into the batch area
[01:06] <Riddell> where is that?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> er....
[01:06] <apokryphos> as soon as you go to flickr.com/photos/organize -> "Drag photos here to edit them as a batch."
[01:06] <apokryphos> it's big there in the middle, hard to miss :P
[01:06] <Hobbsee> and now that wont happen :(
[01:07] <Hobbsee> see you all later...
[01:07] <apokryphos> see you Hobbsee =)
[01:08] <Riddell> I must be missing the text box where I add the tags
[01:09] <apokryphos> curious
[01:11] <apokryphos> Riddell: http://giannaros.org/flickr1.png
[01:12] <Riddell> that doesn't appear
[01:12] <Riddell> in konq or firefox
[01:12] <Riddell> flickr must just not like me
[01:12] <apokryphos> dang :)
[01:56] <Riddell> mornfall: might be nice to fix bug 46003 for release
[01:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46003 in ept "adept_notifier can flood .xsession-errors" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46003
[02:04] <bddebian> Hello
[02:15] <Riddell> morning bddebian 
[02:15] <bddebian> Hi Riddell
[02:16] <Riddell> if you see jjesse, poke him and tell him to send us the book chapter
[02:17] <bddebian> OK
[02:17] <bddebian> Gnight :-)
[02:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: shall I make you an op in #kubuntu?
[02:24] <imbrandon> sure ;)
[02:24] <imbrandon> i'm back for the evening now , took a little nap ;)
[02:25] <Riddell> use it wisely :)
[02:25] <Riddell> night all
[02:25] <bddebian> Gnight Riddell
[02:25] <imbrandon> oh i will, thanks , gnight
[02:25] <apokryphos> Riddell: nikkia is long gone, by the way, may want to remove her...
[02:25] <apokryphos> she's fit and well though, despite using windoze a lot these days :P
[02:26] <apokryphos> imbrandon: you'll want to speak to seveas for that
[02:26] <imbrandon> ahh okie ;)
[02:26] <Riddell> apokryphos: done
[08:41] <imbrandon> anyone know what the 3 packages are that are needed to update the live installer on the flight 7cd
[08:51] <Riddell> ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-kde qtparted
[08:51] <Riddell> imbrandon: ^^
[08:51] <imbrandon> ahh thanks man
[08:52] <imbrandon> i have another flight 7 case in priv chat ;)
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hi again Riddell 
[08:52] <imbrandon> haha
[08:53] <Hobbsee> good thing mum didnt hear that phone call...
[08:53] <imbrandon> Riddell: i got most of those wiki's updated for ya, just a few more minor changes left
[08:53] <Hobbsee> she would have wondered who was calling me up so early :P
[09:55] <Lure> kwwii: something like this would be nice for Kubuntu: http://people.simplifiedcomplexity.com/~mgalvin/ubuntu-artwork-nostalgia/
[10:45] <Lure> Riddell: i386/powerpc Desktop CD images are still oversized - did your change get in?
[11:29] <kwwii> dude, I hate wikis and crappy unclear webpages
[11:30] <kwwii> apparently I now have two accounts on launchpad
[11:30] <imbrandon> doh
[11:30] <kwwii> the best way to hide info is to put it in a wiki
[11:31] <imbrandon> unless you are searching it with google ;)
[11:31] <kwwii> yeah, exactly...I need an external search site to find anything in a wiki....GREAT!
[11:31] <OculusAquilae> but most aren't good linked :)
[11:32] <kwwii> boah, now it wants to merge the account with my real nick and login with the extra one
[11:32] <kwwii> I hate this crap
[11:33] <imbrandon> cant you just delete te new one ?
[11:34] <kwwii> I have already put my key and signed txt file on that one
[11:34] <imbrandon> ohh ouch
[11:34] <kwwii> and how in the hell is one supposed to navigate this crap?
[11:34] <kwwii> so now I can have an account with a different name, great
[11:34] <kwwii> the functionality is great, the usability is =%
[11:34] <kwwii> 0%
[11:35] <kwwii> sometimes I think they do this kinda shit on purpose, just to keep out people who are not developers
[11:35] <imbrandon> hahahahaha
[11:35] <imbrandon> how true
[11:35] <kwwii> yes!
[11:36] <kwwii> screw it, now my account name is wimer
[11:36] <kwwii> so I will forget it once a week
[11:36] <kwwii> :-)
[11:36] <OculusAquilae> launchpad is a littlebit, let 's say unsorted
[11:36] <kwwii> assuring that I will scream about this stuff again and again and again
[11:37] <OculusAquilae> but I think launchpad will be usable in about one or two years
[11:37] <kwwii> haha
[11:37] <kwwii> we said the same thing about YaST every two years or so
[11:38] <imbrandon> heh i havent used yast in sooooo long ;)
[11:38] <OculusAquilae> yast isn't so bad
[11:38] <kwwii> oh, yeah...the mono crap they added is GREAT
[11:38] <imbrandon> heh i havent used it since then but i DO like mono
[11:39] <kwwii> not for an installer
[11:39] <imbrandon> true
[11:39] <kwwii> luckily you can turn it off
[11:39] <imbrandon> i seen ther was an wm somewhere that was being built on mono
[11:39] <kwwii> but don't tell the ximians that or they will remove that function as well
[11:39] <imbrandon> i was like omg
[11:39] <kwwii> hehe
[11:39] <kwwii> yeah
[11:40] <imbrandon> just becouse i CAN make a wm in say ummm php dosent mean i SHOULD ;)
[11:40] <kwwii> exactly :-)
[11:42] <imbrandon> hmmm
[11:42] <imbrandon> why would i get this 
[11:42] <imbrandon> E: Build-dependencies for kbabel could not be satisfied.
[11:42] <imbrandon> pkgs missing in repos ?
[11:43] <imbrandon> that was with apt-get build-dep kbabel
[11:45] <kwwii> well, in the end I could merge both accounts and then change the name back to the old one I merged :-)
[11:45] <kwwii> at least the functionality is there
[11:45] <kwwii> imbrandon: yeah, look for the packages that were missing and install them
[11:46] <kwwii> erm, reading again....ignore that
[11:46] <kwwii> no idea
[11:46] <imbrandon> heh
[11:49] <kwwii> oh dude...this sucks...now it says I have not signed the code of conduct
[11:49] <kwwii> I mean, is this meant to be a game or such?
[11:52] <kwwii> oh dude...I give up
[11:52] <kwwii> bad signature
[11:52] <kwwii> my ass
[11:54] <OdyX> kwwii: you have forgotten the chocolate for last level's monster
[11:54] <kwwii> OdyX: yeah, no doubt...that is exactly how I feel
[11:56] <OdyX> Well, and don't forget to drop your magic flower on the third floor of 31st level, only "those who know" can pass this.
[11:58] <imbrandon> kwwii: you might have to sign the 1.0 coc not the 1.1 one
[11:58] <imbrandon> thats what i had to do
[11:58] <kwwii> I did that
[11:58] <kwwii> and I post the content of the.asc file and it says str: No signatures found
[11:58] <imbrandon> hmmm maybe its the flower on the 31st level then man ;(
[11:58] <imbrandon> soroisly i dunno
[11:59] <kwwii> yeah, I bet nobody knows
[11:59] <imbrandon> grr i cant speel today at all
[11:59] <imbrandon> spell
[11:59] <kwwii> I mean, my key is shown on the page
[11:59] <imbrandon> jez
[11:59] <kwwii> I just cannot sign the code
[12:02] <OdyX> kwwii: wait... You downloaded the code ? (= wrote it in file somewhere) ?
[12:03] <kwwii> yepp
[12:03] <kwwii> and did the clearsign things
[12:03] <kwwii> copied the text in the .asc and uploaded it on the webpage
[12:03] <\sh> moins
[12:03] <kwwii> and then it says "error"
[12:03] <imbrandon> heay \sh
[12:03] <kwwii> \sh: dude, you can help me, I am sure
[12:04] <kwwii> \sh: I uploaded my pgp key to launchpad
[12:04] <seaLne> is there a way to make all kde apps use utf8 i thought i had in the past but kate seems to be munging a utf8 file?
[12:05] <kwwii> and now when I sign the code of conduct it says "no signatures found"
[12:05] <OdyX> kwwii: your key is registered on your personal page ?
[12:05] <kwwii> OdyX: yepp
[12:06] <kwwii> well, I give up for now
[12:06] <kwwii> I have better things to do than spend hours on this shit
[12:06] <kwwii> guess I just won't be a member
[12:10] <\sh> there was a glitch somehow with some gpg kezs
[12:15] <OdyX> Riddell: a user on -fr seem to have found source of Konqui crashing with Multimedia... kaffeine is still loaded...
[12:15] <OdyX> as it should not
[12:24] <Riddell> seaLne: kate should be fine if you make sure it opens and saves as utf8
[12:28] <goldenear> Hi, it think I have found why Konqueror is crashing when playing (trying to play actualy) embedded videos (I'm using dapper)
[12:29] <Riddell> goldenear: why's that?
[12:29] <goldenear> it's because sometimes, konqueror uses kaffeine embedded instead of kmplayer
[12:29] <goldenear> when kmplayer is used, no pb
[12:29] <goldenear> when kaffeine embedded is used --> crash
[12:30] <OdyX> Riddell: just tried to remove --purge kaffeine. The page asks me to download from Microsoft .com (sic)
[12:30] <goldenear> Riddell: try this url http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2-5423189.html
[12:30] <goldenear> (with Kaffeine installed)
[12:31] <goldenear> and chose wmv as video format (real video won't work)
[12:32] <goldenear> this url is ok : http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.com/xbox/2913/ToCA-Race-Driver-3-Damage/
[12:33] <goldenear> it also uses wmv, but it will play it using kmplayer
[12:34] <goldenear> I can't understand how konqueror make the choice between kaffeine and kmplayer when playing embedded video... but it should never use kaffeine IMHO
[12:35] <goldenear> Riddell: is there a way to force konqueror always using kmplayer ?
[12:35] <Riddell> it probably depends on the codec being used
[12:36] <goldenear> ?
[12:36] <goldenear> bath the links I give here use wmv
[12:37] <imbrandon> wmv is a container like avi
[12:37] <imbrandon> it can be encoded with difrent codecs
[12:37] <imbrandon> brb
[12:37] <Riddell> the webserver can send various different mimetypes for wmv
[12:37] <goldenear> I mean both are wmv9
[12:38] <goldenear> ok
[12:38] <OdyX> Yeah... But if kmplayer is meant to play embedded media, let it play media, not kaffeine, even if it won't read....
[12:38] <Riddell> that zdnet page I clicked on is using kmplayer for me when I clicked on wmv
[12:38] <goldenear> Riddell: you're lucky !
[12:39] <goldenear> why does it uses kaffeine embedded for me ?
[12:40] <goldenear> how can I change that ?
[12:40] <Riddell> goldenear: if you can get the URL from the webpage we can try and find what mimetype its sending
[12:43] <goldenear> I can't read the zdnet page any more: I had selected real media to see if it helps and now, konqueror crash each time I want to load the page :(
[12:44] <imbrandon> the zdnet url is mms://a999.v0674e.c674.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/999/674/3ccdde3f/cnetnews.download.akamai.com/674/4n1022ballmer_1_hi.asf
[12:44] <imbrandon> for the wmv one
[12:44] <OdyX> How do you determine it's MIME?
[12:45] <Riddell> oh, weird protocol.  good question
[12:45] <Riddell> we must have a default handler for that protocol though
[12:46] <imbrandon> the other is
[12:46] <imbrandon> http://movies.teamxbox.com/xbox/toca3/tocaracedriver3_elementdamage.wmv
[12:46] <OdyX> well... wgetting it is bad bad bad, because it's like a loop, the file only contains reference on itself
[12:46] <goldenear> imbrandon: it works for me when I open your url
[12:46] <goldenear> it opens the url with kmplayer
[12:46] <OdyX> Riddell: is kmplayer supposed to be translated though ?
[12:46] <imbrandon> thats the links from the pages you gave
[12:47] <imbrandon> mms is probbly a registerd protocal of kaffine
[12:47] <imbrandon> thats why its handed off
[12:47] <Riddell> OdyX: should be yes
[12:48] <OdyX> Riddell: it's not...
[12:48] <OdyX> :D
[12:48] <imbrandon> ( i use the mozillla mplayer plugin , so it plays both )
[12:49] <goldenear> Ok here is what happends for me
[12:49] <goldenear> mms://a999.v0674e.c674.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/999/674/3ccdde3f/cnetnews.download.akamai.com/674/4n1022ballmer_1_hi.asf will open kmplayer, full frame, in konqueror
[12:50] <goldenear> http://zdnet.com.com/1606-2-5423189.html will open kaffeine embedded in the web page (an actualy  it works, I mean the video is playing well)
[12:51] <imbrandon> hmmm maybe its the code they are using to embed it
[12:51] <imbrandon> in the html
[12:51] <goldenear> I guess
[12:52] <goldenear> http://www.allocine.fr/webtv/intersticiel.html?cvid=18603124&player=&emission=&debit=HD
[12:52] <goldenear> this url wil crash konqueror
[12:53] <imbrandon> thats rm
[12:53] <imbrandon> rtsp:// and an rm file
[12:53] <imbrandon> rtsp://a342.v0980d.c980.g.vr.akamaistream.net/ondemand/7/342/980/v1/realmedia.allocine.fr/nmedia/18/35/83/31/18603124_fa3_vost_h.rm
[12:54] <imbrandon> is it maybe the way konq is handeling non http:// stuff when it hands it off ?
[12:55] <imbrandon> Riddell: feel like a few small uploads , -motu seems dead
[12:55] <Riddell> tonio knows all about this stuff
[12:55] <goldenear> opening directly the rtsp:// url in konq works for me (it open kaffeine full frame in a conqueror tab)
[12:55] <Riddell> imbrandon: ok
[12:55] <imbrandon> http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/
[12:56] <imbrandon> 4 small dh_iconcache diffs
[12:58] <goldenear> Riddell: any idea on how to desactivate kaffeine as embedded player for web pages ?
[12:59] <imbrandon> goldenear: yea might be good to show tonio about this later, i personaly have no clue about this other than just pure guesses
[12:59] <goldenear> who is tonio ?
[01:00] <imbrandon> he is in here at other times
[01:00] <imbrandon> kubuntu dev
[01:00] <marseillai> goldenear: il passe souvent sur kubuntu-fr tu le verras
[01:00] <goldenear> ok
[01:00] <goldenear> I'll ask him
[01:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: all those patches use cdbs, they don't need any changes in debian/rules
[01:11] <Riddell> they just need rebuilt
[01:12] <imbrandon> ahh umm ok 
[01:12] <Riddell> /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk now has dh_inconcache in it directly
[01:12] <imbrandon> dholbach made a new list and said make the change
[01:12] <imbrandon> ahhh ok
[01:12] <imbrandon> soo just no change and rebuild them ?
[01:12] <Riddell> yep
[01:13] <goldenear> I've got a proposal: considering all the bugs still in kubuntu, I would propose to delay the release of kubuntu dapper...
[01:13] <Riddell> goldenear: already happened
[01:13] <imbrandon> Riddell: i guessing that go's for 90% of these ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DhIconCacheChanges
[01:13] <goldenear> 5 days delays shoud be ok... then the release date would be 6.6.6 :D
[01:13] <imbrandon> lol no
[01:14] <goldenear> lol
[01:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: you'd need to look at them and make sure they use /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde.mk
[01:14] <imbrandon> ok
[01:14] <imbrandon> will do ( changelog just to say "rebuild for dh_iconcache" ? )
[01:14] <Riddell> yes
[01:14] <imbrandon> k
[01:15] <imbrandon> i'll delete those and redo them, that should save tons of time lol
[01:15] <Riddell> the ones from kdesdk for example have their own kde.mk so they'll need to be changed
[01:16] <imbrandon> right, i just need to check the rules and make sure its included , if so just rebuild
[01:16] <Riddell> yep
[01:45] <OdyX> Riddell: problem... Log from yesterday's meeting is 0ko
[01:45] <OdyX> ubuntu-meeting-2006-05-22.html   23-May-2006 00:00    0  
[01:47] <OdyX> Well. Current contains log. Thanks ..
[01:53] <imbrandon> Riddell: still no one alive in -motu , wanna try again ( those plus a few more ) @ http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/
[02:00] <Riddell> imbrandon: if you're just rebuilding and it doesn't already have ubuntuX in the version number you should use buildX instead so that it will still sync from debian
[02:01] <Riddell> I can change that though
[02:01] <imbrandon> ok, thanks ( still learning ;)
[02:01] <imbrandon> =)
[03:01] <Riddell> OdyX: wonderful minutes
[03:02] <Riddell> OdyX: /msg better than /query or whatever you did, that one appeared on the server notices window
[03:02] <OdyX> ok
[03:02] <OdyX> it was /notce
[03:02] <OdyX> i
[03:03] <Hobbsee> ah yes, darn notices.
[03:25] <mornfall|vie> notices are fine :-)
[03:25] <mornfall|vie> for unimportant things
[03:25] <mornfall|vie> :-)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> er, if at all
[03:26] <Hobbsee> unless i go to the server window, to do a /whois on someone
[03:26] <Lure> mornfall|vie: hi - can you comment bug 46083
[03:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46083 in ept "cannot install sun-java5-bin" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46083
[03:27] <mornfall|vie> Lure: i have no idea what it means
[03:28] <mornfall|vie> Lure: aha
[03:28] <mornfall|vie> Lure: seen screenshot
[03:28] <Lure> adept hangs when installing this package as the package asks license questions (interactive script)
[03:28] <mornfall|vie> Lure: *shrug*
[03:28] <mornfall|vie> Lure: it's a known issue and noone cared so far
[03:28] <Lure> problem is that many users will install java now from offical repo and will hit this...
[03:28] <mornfall|vie> Lure: and we are after release candidate so way too late
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oh whacko, that....
[03:28] <Lure> I can understand... Maybe we need to consider for dapper-updates...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> there's no real way to hide that
[03:29] <Hobbsee> assuming the licencing stuff has to be there
[03:31] <mornfall|vie> Lure: dupe of 37696 (so i marked it as such)
[03:31] <Lure> thanks - any idea how to fix?
[03:31] <mornfall|vie> Lure: well, there's a solution that can be done besides RC
[03:31] <mornfall|vie> Lure: keep the terminal open by default
[03:32] <mornfall|vie> Lure: but i have proposed that solution over and over again with no success
[03:32] <mornfall|vie> s/besides/despite/
[03:32] <Lure> adept opening terminal when installaing or user doing it as workaround
[03:33] <mornfall|vie> Lure: adept being in the "details shown" state in default
[03:33] <mornfall|vie> if user has to do it, well, that's bad
[03:33] <mornfall|vie> the problem is, how do you notice that maintainer script is hanging on user input
[03:34] <mornfall|vie> is it using debconf? in that case requiring libqt-perl could be an option
[03:34] <mornfall|vie> if it works
[03:34] <mornfall|vie> kdebconf that is
[03:34] <mornfall|vie> i have no idea really
[03:34] <mornfall|vie> noone maintains it
[03:34] <mornfall|vie> so it may as well be borked
[03:36] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: stupid question, but are you the only person who works on adept - how many more of you are there?
[03:36] <mornfall|vie> sorry i'm being mean, but i have spent lots of time travelling lately (27 hours?) and i'm stuck in vienna airport
[03:37] <mornfall|vie> there is only one mornfall working on adept
[03:37] <mornfall|vie> and the only nontrivial (code) patch i think is from klichota
[03:37] <Hobbsee> well, how many other people are there in total working on adept?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[03:37] <mornfall|vie> it's not applied though, it is just an experiment in how threading works
[03:37] <Hobbsee> adept still has less bugs than synaptic :P
[03:38] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: less features too
[03:38] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: shhh...it works nicely :)
[03:38] <mornfall|vie> it needs lots of work
[03:38] <mornfall|vie> but not today
[03:38] <mornfall|vie> i have to do uni work too and bachelor's thesis
[03:38] <Hobbsee> as nicely as any dumbed-down package installer is going to be anyway - and it has to be dumbed down, so people dont get confused
[03:38] <mornfall|vie> and first of all i have to GET HOME
[03:39] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: how do you get home?  need us to distract you for a while?
[03:39] <mornfall|vie> i get home by bus
[03:39] <mornfall|vie> bus arrives in 2 and half hours
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ewww...and how long till it arrives?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ick
[03:39] <mornfall|vie> that'd be 18:05 local time, it arrives 20:30
[03:40] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: there was a guy...raf, i think it was, interested in coding for kubuntu/kde....
[03:40] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: adept is hard and unforgiving C++
[03:40] <Hobbsee> not sure if you want to get it suggested that he helps with adept, or something...
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure what his style of "coding" entails..
[03:41] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: if he is brave, let him try
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:41] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: if he's a newbie, well
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:41] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: chances are he gets burnt and ends up unhappy
[03:41] <mornfall|vie> which i probably don't want
[03:41] <mornfall|vie> adept is scary enough as it is
[03:41] <Hobbsee> well, it doesnt take long to go "yes i want to do this
[03:41] <Hobbsee> " or "no i dont"
[03:41] <mornfall|vie> i don't need people running around and spreading the word :)
[03:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: you wrote crap code hey?  :P
[03:42] <mornfall|vie> crap no, but it's a bit... dense, at times
[03:42] <mornfall|vie> the thing with adept is, it's extreme programming
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[03:43] <Hobbsee> eek
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> refactor as you go
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> unit tests
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> high development speed
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> etc
[03:43] <Hobbsee> icky.
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> even if i'm si
[03:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> even if i'm single on the GUI part
[03:43] <Hobbsee> ah....i see...
[03:43] <Hobbsee> true
[03:43] <mornfall|vie> enrico zini from debian is helping out on the lower level APIs
[03:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:44] <Hobbsee> i would try to help you out - but that'd be pretty pointless.
[03:44] <mornfall|vie> you are currently helping out by talking to me, which means minutes run faster
[03:44] <Hobbsee> that's what i figured :)
[03:44] <mornfall|vie> which cannot be a bad thing, since i want to be home
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:45] <Hobbsee> what do you end up coding in, come ot think of it?
[03:45] <mornfall|vie> well, only bad version i can think of is that you get too good and i miss the bus :p
[03:45] <mornfall|vie> end up coding in?
[03:45] <mornfall|vie> <-- not understanding question
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:46] <Hobbsee> i wont be awake that long...
[03:46] <Hobbsee> ie, which program do you use - or do you just code in $favoritetexteditor?
[03:46] <mornfall|vie> emacs :-)
[03:47] <mornfall|vie> that programming language with built-in text editor
[03:47] <mornfall|vie> or something
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hi OculusAquilae 
[03:48] <OculusAquilae> hi Hobbsee 
[03:49] <mornfall|vie> expected battery life 1 hour
[03:49] <mornfall|vie> i will have to change the battery in 45 minutes or so :-)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> yuck.  any powerpoints around?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ah :)
[03:49] <mornfall|vie> i have second battery that's full
[03:49] <Hobbsee> which lasts for just over an hour or so...
[03:50] <mornfall|vie> more like anti-envy
[03:50] <Hobbsee> why anti-envy?
[03:50] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: you envy when someone has something you want, well, meaning anti-envy would be when someone has something you don't want? :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:51] <mornfall|vie> well, the laptop is a bit hot on the bottom
[03:51] <Hobbsee> this is sounding scarily like differentiation and antidifferentiation...
[03:51] <Hobbsee> feel like doing my maths assignment, while you're stuck in vienna?
[03:52] <mornfall|vie> i can't differentiate
[03:52] <mornfall|vie> apparently my brain is too small to fit it
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:55] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ping
[03:55] <OculusAquilae> ?
[03:56] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: hi
[03:56] <OculusAquilae> hi Riddell 
[03:56] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: monty python, dont mind me
[03:56] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: the ktorrent package you uploaded yesterday seems not to include the .mo-files
[03:57] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: perhaps a depency-problem?
[03:57] <OculusAquilae> I mean build-dep
[03:57] <marseillai> does anyone knows how to restart with a totally new profile for konqueror! because my dapper is a breezy upgrade and i've many problem with kaffeine+kmplayer and on my fresh install on my laptop i've no problem .....
[03:57] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: the .mo get sucked out by the buildds and sent to rosetta
[03:58] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: and where are they?
[03:58] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: launchpad.net
[03:58] <OculusAquilae> do they come via the language-packs?
[03:58] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: you can ask carlos to check if they've been imported
[03:58] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: yes
[03:58] <Riddell> they will do
[03:59] <OculusAquilae> ok
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:59] <Hobbsee> the killer carrot?
[04:00] <Riddell> F7 in Konqueror
[04:00] <mornfall|vie> to feed the killer rabbit
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ah...i see...i see...
[04:01] <Hobbsee> To pass, you must answer me these questions three...
[04:02] <mornfall|vie> System of a Down -- Aerials
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: so what's the capital of assyria?
[04:04] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: yes!
[04:05] <mornfall|vie> next time i better use google
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:05] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: would "ggl:capital of assyria" be good enough? :)
[04:05] <mornfall|vie> i'm lazy to switch windows
[04:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:07] <mornfall|vie> 2 hours
[04:07] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:09] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:09] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:12] <OdyX> Hobbsee: please give a sight on #kubuntu, you have to kick...
[04:14] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: no worry, i have to leave sooner than that :-)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:14] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: probably will just suspend notebook when battery runs out and read till the bus is here
[04:14] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:17] <\sh>  /boot 69M / 73G /data 6.3T
[04:17] <\sh> argl
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:20] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: goodnight in case you go to bed
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: i wont yet, i think...
[04:20] <mornfall|vie> i'll be back i guess, in 20 maybe or so
[05:16] <Riddell> jjesse!
[05:18] <jjesse> Riddell: 
[05:18] <bddebian> :-)
[05:19] <Riddell> jjesse: how's the chapter coming along?
[05:22] <OdyX> Riddell: Minutes terminated: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/2006-05-22 Hope it'll satisfy
[05:24] <jjesse> finally some movement
[05:24] <jjesse> had to get ahold of the right people
[05:31] <jjesse_lunch> Riddell: mdke is going to help me convert things i'll send a message whne i'm done
[05:34] <Riddell> OdyX: excellent, please add that link to KubuntuNewsletter
[05:34] <Riddell> hello macd 
[05:34] <macd> Hi there
[05:34] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. I will . I was about to write the mail to fridge-devel, but the meeting is ever in place ??
[05:34] <Riddell> OdyX: yeah, tell fridge too
[05:35] <OdyX> Well. They've been told... The meeting is placed
[05:35] <Riddell> thanks
[05:35] <OdyX> but not by me 
[05:35] <OdyX> :-(
[05:36] <Riddell> no news on fridge for almost a month
[05:36] <OdyX> ah... "news" ?
[05:36] <OdyX> Well. The meeting is in place on the agenda, but nothing on the news.
[05:36] <OdyX> OK
[05:40] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ktorrent does not generate .pot-file
[05:41] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: could send you a patch for that if you want
[05:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: sure
[05:42] <macd> Ive heard talk of initng development, is there any plan to incorporate this into the next release cycle?
[05:42] <Riddell> although it's in main, we'd need approval before uploading
[05:42] <OdyX> macd: it's a spec AFAIK
[05:42] <Riddell> macd: keybuk would be the guy to ask, he seems to be against it
[05:42] <OdyX> macd: so improve the spec
[05:42] <OdyX> :D
[05:42] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: what kind of  patches do we make for packages?
[05:42] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: debdiff
[05:42] <Riddell> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[05:43] <OculusAquilae> ok
[05:43] <macd> I'd be curious to know why against it, I'll have to inquire, thanks for info OdyX, Riddell 
[05:44] <PascalFr> Riddell: thanks for fixing konqueror menu entry  it works now
[05:45] <Riddell> PascalFr: what did I fix?
[05:49] <OdyX> Riddell: don't worry.. It's fixed ! :D
[05:49] <PascalFr> Riddell: konqueror could not be launched from internet kde menu  yesterday  (profile was missing)
[05:51] <OdyX> where are the daily CD's ?
[05:56] <Riddell> PascalFr: oh yes, you're welcome :)
[05:56] <Riddell> OdyX: KubuntuFiles knows all
[05:56] <Riddell> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[05:56] <Riddell> although if you wait a an hour we may have ones that aren't oversized
[05:56] <PascalFr> Riddell:  hem... :P 
[05:56] <OdyX> Fine. Thanks.
[05:56] <OdyX> Riddell: Cool
[05:57] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com rather
[05:58] <macd> Some of the us repost reporting http-301, fresh sources list from source-o-matic.
[05:58] <macd> s/repost/repos*
[06:05] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: ok, i have the debdiff -- http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/fixes-dapper/pot_generation.diff
[06:08] <OdyX> Is somebody going to try live CD soon ? bug 43829
[06:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43829 in kdebase "Kubuntu Dapper Flight7 LiveCD: Cant unlock session as long as there is an empty password" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43829
[06:10] <Riddell> macd: wait a few hours, if it still happens complain to znarl
[06:12] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: looking
[06:12] <OculusAquilae> ok
[06:12] <Riddell> OdyX: I don't see that getting fixed for release
[06:13] <OdyX> Riddell: well. Then don't authorise users to lock the screen...
[06:13] <OdyX> Riddell: it's pretty important _if verified_
[06:17] <OdyX> bug 35573 ?
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/35573
[06:18] <Riddell> OdyX: ask if he has language-pack-kde-de installed
[06:18] <OdyX> OK
[06:37] <Riddell> jjesse_lunch: thanks for starting the edgy docs spec
[06:43] <Riddell> mornfall: just for your information https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-May/005677.html
[06:48] <apokryphos> *another* package manager? Aren't there enough already 8)
[06:49] <bddebian> Never ;-)
[06:49] <apokryphos> kpackage is hardly *the* solution. It'd need quite some development to get up-to-scratch
[06:50] <apokryphos> if someone's going to go a different way, I can't imagine doing much better than smart 8)
[06:52] <apokryphos> all smart really needs is a decent KDE front-end. All the stuff at the back is excellent
[06:52] <marseillai> Riddell: is it possible at this time to remove kmplayer-konq-pluggins from kubuntu-desktop ? because every where i can see it causes more problems than it brings solution ....
[06:53] <Riddell> what problems does it cause?
[06:55] <marseillai> many
[06:55] <marseillai> when it works sometine it doesn't work
[06:55] <marseillai> and sometimes it doesn't work at all
[06:56] <marseillai> for me removing kmplayer-konq-pluggins resolve all my problems
[07:08] <OdyX> Riddell: bug 44474 <- We still have both. This has to be solved, huh ?
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44474 in kdebase "Not helpful descriptions for KWiFiManager and Wireless Assistant" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44474
[07:10] <Riddell> OdyX: kwifimanager has been removed from the seed/CDs, you can mark as fix released
[07:10] <OdyX> OK
[07:11] <OdyX> bug 44548 <- Annoying.. Very annoying. I just confirmed it. Just a mix between UTF-8 and iso-8859-15
[07:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44548 in kdebase "Problems with accentuated characters in man pages" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44548
[07:13] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: Konversation is for some reason suddenly untranslated. yesterday it was
[07:17] <OdyX> Does anybody else have kontact eating 70% of CPU all the time ?
[07:18] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: but translations are in launchpad, strange
[07:25] <Lure> Tonio_: hi!
[07:26] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[07:30] <Riddell> hoorah, CDs well within size http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060523.2/
[07:30] <Riddell> test away!
[07:31] <Lure> Riddell: just complete Ubiquity install from DVD 20060522, will also try text install just to see how breezy installs looked like ;-)
[07:31] <Riddell> Lure: installed ok?
[07:31] <Lure> Yep
[07:32] <Lure> Should I report results somewhere or here is good enough?
[07:33] <Riddell> Lure: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentKubuntu
[07:33] <Riddell> include the CD/DVD build number
[07:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have prpared a machine at work for tomorrow.
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the test will be : resizing of an ntfs partition, resizing of a fat one, and installation
[07:35] <Tonio_> and the goal is to have a dual boot of course :)
[07:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: vacations accepted, I will be there from 19 to 23
[07:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: great :)
[07:37] <Lure> Tonio_: tests w/o resize with NTFS work for me. I have seen that Kamion is fixing some NTFS resize issues today, so he might be interested in results
[07:37] <Tonio_> Lure: well we will know tomorrow ;)
[07:38] <Lure> Riddell: where to write ubiquity install? Should I add new line for it?
[07:38] <Lure> Riddell: I would replace OEM to Ubiquity as we do not have OEM anyhow.... ;-)
[07:38] <Riddell> Lure: yes, please do
[07:39] <Lure> should I write "desktop" or "ubiquity"?
[07:39] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: Konversation is for some reason suddenly untranslated. who can I ask because of that?
[07:40] <Riddell> Lure: ubiquity I'd say
[07:41] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: is there a file for it in the language pack?
[07:41] <Lure> Riddell: done
[07:44] <Riddell> Lure: please add build number too
[07:44] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: not in yesterdays de-langpack
[07:45] <Lure> build number? I have put a note which DVD version (directory) I used
[07:45] <Riddell> Lure: oh I see, might be clearer in the table though
[07:47] <Lure> I can add in table, but may become huge
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: how is WinFOSS supposed to work?
[07:47] <Riddell> it's important information
[07:47] <Lure> Riddell: will add it in
[07:47] <Riddell> Lure: put into windows machine, see if it runs
[07:48] <Lure> I got Kubuntu splash for short time, Autoplay is examining the DVD for cca 5 minutes and now I got the menu with offering and then AutoPlay completed
[07:48] <Lure> It is a bit strange...
[07:49] <Riddell> Lure: is there windows software on the DVD?  can you run whatever the .exe is called?
[07:49] <Lure> It may be due to the fact that I have DVD-RW and WinXP now offers me also "Open writebale folder"
[07:49] <Lure> Riddell: yes it is, and installers work...
[07:50] <Riddell> does the autorun.inf file point to the right place?
[07:51] <Lure> Riddell: tried DVD-ROM drive and everything is fine now (got splash, then menu with SW to installed in 10 sec or so)
[07:51] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: but konversation is translated in rosetta
[07:52] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect this Autoplay delay is just a side effect of using DVD-RW media and drive (which normal users probably will not use)
[07:52] <Riddell> Lure: so it's Windows fault then :)
[07:52] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: ask pitti and carlos if it's being exported
[07:53] <OculusAquilae> ok
[07:53] <Lure> Firefox seems to be old, but not sure if this can be changed that late...
[07:56] <Lure> Riddell: should I submit wishlist to include latest Firefox & Thunderbird?
[07:56] <Riddell> Lure: no
[07:57] <Riddell> the packager will know that there are new releases out
[07:59] <Lure> Riddell: packager? TB version is 1.5 20051201 which seems quite old...
[08:00] <Riddell> TB?
[08:00] <Riddell> oh, thunderbird
[08:01] <Riddell> it's too late for dapper
[08:03] <Lure> Riddell: it is a bit a shame that two flagship WinFOSS products are a bit old :-(
[08:04] <Lure> I will try server install now...
[08:06] <Riddell> Lure: oh, winfoss, I see
[08:07] <Riddell> I think heno just used whatever was stable
[08:10] <Lure> Riddell: have added version into table and I will submit wishlist to include newer FF and TB and they can reject (as it may be too late)
[08:16] <Lure> OculusAquilae: I would agree with that... But if it is there, it should be latest
[08:16] <OculusAquilae> that's right
[10:52] <Lure> hi raphink
[10:53] <raphink> hi Lure
[10:54] <Lure> raphink: you are moving to new location or something_
[10:54] <raphink> yes exactly Lure
[10:55] <raphink> about 1000km away from where I have been lately (my parents) and indirectly 1400km from where I was living last month
[10:55] <raphink> so I'm kind of busy and sorry of it
[10:55] <Lure> that can be challenging... where did you move to?
[10:55] <raphink> I'm moving to Vallauris, French Riviera
[10:56] <Lure> that is great - just the sea can be distracting (at least it would be fr me ;-))
[10:56] <raphink> hehe :)
[10:56] <raphink> same fore me Lure
[10:56] <raphink> it will be
[10:56] <raphink> I have plans to sail, too ;)
[10:57] <raphink> so I took my sailing stuff with me :)
[10:57] <Lure> but, as friend of mine would say: these are all nice problems ;-)
[10:57] <raphink> I was told there are people with sails looking for experimented staff around ;)
[10:57] <Lure> I just had a great sailing week on the Adriatic....
[10:58] <raphink> great :)
[10:58] <raphink> you'll have to come here so we can sail together some time ;)
[11:01] <raphink> Lure: you're in croatia right?
[11:01] <Lure> raphink: I am from Slovenia, but we sail in Croatia 
[11:02] <raphink> ok :)
[11:10] <kwwii> anyone know how to use a gpg key I created on my osx machine in linux?
[11:15] <raphink> kwwii: does osx create a .gnupg dir ?
[11:15] <raphink> in your ~ 
[11:15] <raphink> in /Users/yourlogin
[11:15] <kwwii> raphink: yes, and I copied it to my home in linux
[11:15] <raphink> should work then
[11:15] <raphink> doesn't it?
[11:16] <kwwii> to be honest, I know exaclty 0% about gpg
[11:16] <raphink> ok
[11:16] <raphink> well give me a few minutes and I'llg et  you through
[11:16] <kwwii> I tried to upload a signed version of the code of conduct for about 3 hours today
[11:17] <apokryphos> kwwii: there's quite a valuable wiki entry on it, I believe
[11:18] <kwwii> apokryphos: yeah, that is the best place to hide something i know of
[11:27] <kwwii> kwwii@isaac:~$ gpg --clearsign UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.0.txt
[11:27] <kwwii> gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
[11:27] <kwwii> gpg: UbuntuCodeofConduct-1.0.txt: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[11:27] <kwwii> yet gpg -list-keys shows it
[11:28] <kmon> I don't know why but the documentation section in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFutureIdeas isn't shown correctly
[11:28] <kwwii> it worked great on OSX but the damn webpage will not accept the .asc file contents that are made on OSX
[11:50] <allee> kwwii: does your first last name in /etc/passwd match what --list-keys shows?  I doubt ;)
[11:51] <kwwii> allee: it is exactly the same
[11:51] <allee> uhm
[11:51] <kwwii> kwwii:x:number.number: Kenneth Wimer,,blahblah
[11:51] <toma> kwwii: trying the 1.0.1 version or 1.0 ?
[11:51] <allee> kwwii: remove the leading space?
[11:52] <robotgeek> congrats to all members
[11:52] <kwwii> erm,  I added the leading space myself :-)
[11:52] <robotgeek> i think the 1.0.1 doesn't work, try it with 1.0
[11:52] <kwwii> it is a problem that it says I have no secret key
[11:52] <kwwii> gpg: no default secret key: secret key not available
[11:56] <allee> kwwii: no _default_ secret key .  does gpg -K  list your key?
[11:56] <kwwii> yes, it does list my key, fingerprint, the other keys I have as trusted, etc.
[11:57] <kwwii> but gpg --list-secret-key Kenneth Wimer says I have no secret key
[11:57] <allee> gpg --list-secret-key "Kenneth Wimer"
[11:57] <kwwii> same thing
[11:57] <kwwii> same result, I mean
[11:58] <allee> gpg -K output (only your section)?
[11:59] <kwwii> gpg: error reading key: secret key not available
[11:59] <kwwii> I have like 2 other things I have to get done by tomorrow (befor the holiday) since I am flying to port. on Friday....for now it'll have to wait
[12:00] <kwwii> I simply cannot waste a day doing this crap
[12:00] <kwwii> thanks for the help anyway
[12:00] <kwwii> membrership will just have to wait
[12:00] <kwwii> as will spelling :-)
[12:00] <allee> :)
[12:01] <kwwii> night all
[12:01] <allee> kwwii: nite
[12:01] <kwwii> might be back shortly tomorrow, otherwise it'll be a few weeks
[12:01] <allee> kwwii: me too ;)
[12:01] <kwwii> allee: yeah, but I am not going on vacation...I am going to work :-(
[12:02] <allee> kwwii: your fault
[12:02] <kwwii> hehe, yeah...it is all for KDE
[12:02] <allee> but it's better that I'm going to vacation.  Not that big loss was when you go to vacation ;)
[12:03] <kwwii> ha! I doubt taht
[12:03] <kwwii> that
[12:03] <kwwii> I have not had a vacation in 11 years
[12:03] <allee> nevetherless I wish you and the other artists creative and fruitful weeks
[12:04] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[12:04] <kwwii> I hope you enjoy your vacation! :-)
[12:04] <kwwii> here is a better question...when I do the --clearsign thing on osx, it works great
[12:04] <kwwii> but when I try to upload the file the webpage complains
[12:05] <kwwii> my guess is the the "gnupg (darwin)" is not execpted
[12:05] <kwwii> it probably wants linux or such in () instead
[12:06] <allee> interesting assumption. only #lauchpad-devel knows (perhaps :)
[12:07] <kwwii> dude, launchpad is evil
[12:07] <kwwii> launchpad is a usability nightmare
[12:07] <kwwii> tools made by developers for developers
[12:08] <allee> yeap, it's good start, but needs lots of UI polishing
[12:08] <kwwii> anyway...me heads off, too many other things right now
[12:08] <kwwii> see you
[12:35] <kwwii> so, being the sadist that I am, I keep banging my head against the gpg wall
[12:36] <kwwii> now I figured out the problem with the key stuff...it works now (it was the rights on one file)
[12:36] <kwwii> and when I upload the contents of the .asc file I get this: "str: Single signature expected, found multiple signatures"
[12:40] <toma> kwwii: you signed the signed one 
[12:40] <toma> kwwii: make sure you sign the one downloaded and haven't signed before
[12:41] <kwwii> toma: I just downloaded it again, and I get the same error
[12:41] <toma> hmmm
[12:41] <toma> no idea then
[12:42] <kwwii> ha! It worked after like 15 tries
[12:42] <kwwii> I think it was an extra space
[12:42] <imbrandon_> ;)
[12:43] <kwwii> thanks be to god
[12:43] <imbrandon_> morning everyone
[12:43] <kwwii> I can sleep now
[12:43] <kwwii> night imbrandon_
[12:43] <imbrandon_> gnight kwwii
[06:12] <poimen> does amarok 1.4 is inside the normal distribution of dapper 
[06:13] <freeflying> poimen: no
[06:13] <poimen> or I still have to have the amarok 1.4 sources in my sources.list?
[06:13] <poimen> it is going to be in it in the final relese?
[06:13] <freeflying> poimen: will not be in dapper
[06:13] <poimen> :( why?
[06:14] <freeflying> poimen: too much UVFe
[06:15] <poimen> hum?
[06:15] <imbrandon> same with koffice 1.5.1
[06:17] <poimen> I have downloaded 200 mb of updates today:)
[06:22] <imbrandon> ouch
[06:23] <poimen> na
[06:23] <poimen> I am updating daily
[06:23] <poimen> :)
[06:23] <poimen> I dont want to download 700mb the realese day
[06:23] <imbrandon> heh me too , but mostly only 200mb on days i reinstall
[06:24] <poimen> today there was a update to the kernel
[06:24] <imbrandon> yea i saw that
[06:24] <poimen> so that was a big one with the source and all
[06:24] <imbrandon> a few hours ago
[06:25] <poimen> I havent installed them..
[06:25] <imbrandon> just download ?
[06:25] <imbrandon> heh
[06:25] <poimen> I downloaded them with the apt-get -d upgrade option
[06:25] <poimen> yep
[06:25] <poimen> I will install it later
[06:26] <poimen> I am doing some things now I dont want to break my system just now ( there is a little chance it happens I am using XGL and ati propierary drivers)
[06:26] <imbrandon> ahh
[06:26] <imbrandon> yea i was thinking about redoing xgl here in a few
[06:27] <imbrandon> havent tried it in a few weeks
[06:27] <imbrandon> your not happer to be on kde do you?
[06:28] <freeflying> poimen: can you use compiz under kde
[06:28] <imbrandon> freeflying: yea
[06:28] <poimen> yep
[06:28] <poimen> and works somehow nice
[06:28] <imbrandon> there is compiz main pkg and compiz-gome and compiz-kde
[06:28] <poimen> little problems but it works
[06:29] <imbrandon> pain to setup ?
[06:29] <imbrandon> last time ( like i said a few weeks ago ) it took me all one afternoon
[06:29] <freeflying> poimen: if I use compiz-kde, some applications keep crash, sometime, I even can not log in 
[06:30] <poimen> I dont think I am using compiz kde
[06:30] <poimen> It dint work untill I installled compiz-gnome
[06:30] <poimen> and I start gnome-window-decorator
[06:31] <imbrandon> i wish you could use kwin ( i have a custom theme i use )
[06:31] <imbrandon> heh
[06:35] <poimen> Somone using deskorator?
[06:36] <poimen> dekorator
[10:35] <kwwii> moin
[10:36] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii :)
[10:37] <kwwii> hi Hobbsee
[10:39] <seaLne> weird since i restarted kde/kontact today if i try to save an attatchment from kmail i get a 0 sized file, anyone else see this?
[10:40] <Hobbsee> i dont use kontact/kmail, sorry seaLne 
[10:41] <kwwii> seaLne: I update every day and use kmail...haven't noticed that yet
[10:41] <seaLne> do you reboot?
[10:42] <seaLne> or atleast restart kde
[10:42] <kwwii> seaLne: funny, you should ask, I have to reboot right now :-)
[10:42] <seaLne> cya
[10:47] <kwwii> re
[10:48] <kwwii> seaLne: nope, it works fine here
[10:54] <seaLne> well i suppose its good that no one else has the problem :-/
[10:58] <freeflying> seaLne: hi
[10:58] <seaLne> lo freeflying 
[10:59] <seaLne> i still get 0 sized files even after restarting kontact
[10:59] <freeflying> seaLne: the last interveiw kept in my mail box about 3 weeks  :) 
[11:00] <seaLne> i am expecting german and french today or tommorow hopefully......
[11:00] <seaLne> this syncronised language release of interviews isn't really working very well
[11:03] <freeflying> seaLne: heh
[11:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:03] <Hobbsee> seaLne: you didnt happen to write a bug on that, then have to admit that in lauchpad too, did you?  :P
[11:04] <seaLne> no, luckily :)
[11:04] <seaLne> 829M    beagle-kd-bf6ab01c-bc87-4d1e-aedd-15f8a9859e47
[11:05] <seaLne> is beagle supposed to need that much?
[11:08] <freeflying> seaLne: 892M, a bit big
[11:08] <seaLne> yeah, big enough t make me consider not using kerry
[11:26] <abattoir> Riddell: I was officially notified that i've been accepted for SoC 2006
[11:26] <abattoir> Thanks a lot :D 
[11:26] <abattoir> I look forward to working w/ my mentor( I assume it would be you ;) )...
[11:26] <abattoir> ... and on the project
[11:27] <abattoir> thanks once again :) 
[11:27] <seaLne> abattoir: good luck
[11:27] <abattoir> seaLne: Thanks :) 
[11:54] <Riddell> hi abattoir, congratulations
[11:54] <Riddell> yuriy_: have you been notified?
[11:56] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks :) . You'd be my mentor right?
[11:56] <Riddell> yep
[11:56] <abattoir> ok, cool.
[11:56] <Riddell> abattoir: do you know when the SoC starts and ends?
[11:57] <abattoir> It officially started today :P 
[11:57] <Riddell> right!  get cracking then! :)
[11:57] <abattoir> but i guess you are busy w/ dapper
[11:57] <Riddell> that's quite short notice they give you
[11:58] <Riddell> yes, true
[11:59] <abattoir> Aug. 21 is the deadline
[11:59] <abattoir> there is an interim evaluation though
[12:00] <abattoir> that'd be due on June 30
[12:03] <Riddell> by the way tvo is our SoC student from last year, maybe he has some tips for you
[12:03] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir and Riddell 
[12:03] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee
[12:04] <abattoir> ok, hi tvo ...
[12:04] <abattoir> you here? ;) 
[12:04] <abattoir> Riddell: what did he work on? if i may know...
[12:05] <Riddell> kiolocate and the google search box we ship with
[12:06] <Riddell> abattoir: do you have a plan for getting started with the project?
[12:06] <abattoir> Riddell: oh the google suggest search box, that's awesome :) 
[12:06] <Riddell> I know :)
[12:06] <abattoir> I have put up the wiki... outlining the Ubuntu Installer
[12:06] <abattoir> as you had asked me to
[12:07] <abattoir> I have also glanced at the Ubuntu code.
[12:07] <Riddell> saw that, very useful
[12:07] <abattoir> should i put up a new spec in launchpad, or is it linked to the ubuntu spec?
[12:08] <Riddell> it may well be worth putting up a spec and a wiki page with an outline of what's to be done yes
[12:09] <Riddell> you should also talk to Kamion to see if he has any plans for the OEM installer which might affect your project
[12:09] <abattoir> ok. so initially just port the glade stuff to qt right?
[12:09] <abattoir> aah, ok
[12:09] <Riddell> but he'll be busy with RC releasing today as well so be polite
[12:09] <abattoir> ok, i can do one thing, since there is time...
[12:09] <Riddell> porting the glade stuff to qtdesigner is a good start, that's how I started with ubiquity
[12:09] <abattoir> I have an exam tomorrow :( 
[12:10] <abattoir> will get back home next week...
[12:10] <abattoir> dapper would also be out by then
[12:10] <Riddell> oh right, well no need to start today, get back revising then
[12:10] <Riddell> abattoir: you've not done pykde before have you?
[12:10] <abattoir> yes, i have worked w/ pykde before
[12:11] <Riddell> oh, cool, sorted
[12:11] <abattoir> learnt it for some superkaramba themes...
[12:11] <abattoir> but didnt end up implementing it... :(
[12:11] <abattoir> actually i did, but very little
[12:12] <Riddell> Sime here is our local pykde expert, he can answer any problems you might have with it :)
[12:12] <abattoir> ok :) 
[12:13] <abattoir> i'll get back to studying then.... :(
[12:13] <abattoir> thanks a lot once again
[12:13] <abattoir> :)
[12:15] <Riddell> abattoir: weekly summary updates by e-mail from you would be good
[12:15] <OdyX> Last release is Flight 7, huh ?
[12:15] <Riddell> OdyX: RC out tomorrow
[12:15] <OdyX> URL ?
[12:15] <Riddell> testing of today's live and install CD very welcome
[12:15] <OdyX> OK.
[12:15] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[12:16] <OdyX> I'v got somebody on -fr for complete testing (install Windows on whole and then daily-live
[12:16] <seaLne> dapper-alternative 20060524 installed fine
[12:17] <seaLne> todays desktop seems to run fine, not had a chance to test installing from it yet
[12:17] <Riddell> Sime: i386?
[12:17] <Riddell> s/sime/sealne/
[12:17] <seaLne> yeah
[12:18] <abattoir> Riddell: sure. anyways, i'll be lurking around here.
[12:18] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! Latest dapper-install is 0522, should I test that or dapper-alternate 0524?
[12:19] <seaLne> nice d-i sets the proxy in apt.conf that you specified during the install now :)
[12:19] <Riddell> cmvo: install is renamed to alternate, test 0524
[12:19] <Riddell> and live is now desktop
[12:22] <cmvo> Riddell: Ok, I'll try alternate 0524, as soon as the download finishes :-)
[12:24] <cmvo> Riddell: Is there a way to preseed a local repo for the install?
[12:28] <Riddell> cmvo: I'm not sure what you mean
[12:31] <OdyX> cmvo: using a proxy ?
[12:31] <cmvo> Riddell: When installing on a system with a network connection and a local repository, but not internet access.
[12:32] <seaLne> yes as its d-i, but not easily
[12:32] <cmvo> Riddell: The install insists on scanning the remote repository at archive.ubuntu.com.
[12:32] <seaLne> which is mildly annoying as it makes the install take about 10times as long for me
[12:33] <cmvo> Riddell: I'd rather not wait for the timeout. Using the export mode of d-i I can set the name of the normal repo, but not the security repo.
[12:33] <seaLne> cmvo: how do you do that?
[12:35] <cmvo> seaLne: Don't have the install disk boot screen in front of me. I thin its F4 to choose between normal and expert mode.
[12:36] <seaLne> ah
[12:36] <seaLne> as simple as that :)
[12:37] <seaLne> F6
[12:37] <cmvo> seaLne: Its F6 twice and choosing expert mode.
[12:38] <seaLne> yeah trying it now
[12:38] <seaLne> pity you then have to answer all the questions tho
[12:40] <cmvo> seaLne: expert mode asks more questions, but using the defaults its more or less the same a normal.
[12:40] <seaLne> yeah
[12:40] <seaLne> load installer components isn't obvious tho
[12:41] <cmvo> seaLne: It's a pity, either two timeouts or more questions and one timeout :-(
[12:43] <seaLne> interesting if you previously selected lvm you can't automatically use lvm the next time as it errors about there being lvm
[12:44] <cmvo> seaLne: It seems it isn't. I've been using this installer mode so many time since pre sarge, I don't think much about it.
[12:45] <cmvo> seaLne: Hm, I've not tried lvm with the installer.
[12:45] <seaLne> i've never really bothered with expert mode before
[12:45] <seaLne> now i need to check it in non expert mode
[12:48] <seaLne> oops if yu have lvm you can't install using lvm automatically even tho the option is called erase and lvm
[12:48] <cmvo> seaLne: Last time I tried normal mode in flight-7, it put grub in the mbr without asking, I didn't like that too much...
[01:13] <cmvo> seaLne: Do you know if I can do a network install, loading the packages over the network not from the cd? As with the debian netinst cd.
[01:49] <Riddell> cmvo: we have a net install CD, I've not tried it out
[01:49] <Hobbsee> current ubiquity should work, right?
[01:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: from todays desktop CD yes
[01:51] <Riddell> but keep an alternative CD around just incase
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mmm okay - it's a user in #kubuntu asking
[01:52] <cmvo> Riddell: Ah, thanks. Where can I find it? Can't see it on cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: [21:55]  <VincentMX> I'm going to start a small pc company, where i'm going to sell PC's. am i allowed to sell them with Kubuntu Linux installed? since i'm not supposed to use it for commercial purpouseses
[01:57] <Riddell> cmvo: hidden away at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[01:57] <Riddell> mini.iso
[01:58] <Riddell> you may need to ask kamion if there's a magic boot command for it to use kubuntu
[01:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where's he?
[01:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: #kubuntu
[02:02] <cmvo> Riddell: Ok. Should have known to look in the archive :-) I'll give it a try.
[02:03] <Riddell> cmvo: I've added a link from KubuntuFiles so I know where to get it next time :)
[02:06] <cmvo> Riddell: It's the debian place :-)
[02:10] <imbrandon> heh i noticed that too, same place as tyhe debain net install iso
[02:26] <OdyX> Riddell: next meeting is 6th June, 21 UTC
[02:26] <OdyX> Riddell: what else as libxine-extracodecs is needed for RestrictedFormats ?
[02:27] <imbrandon> w32codescs
[02:28] <OdyX> for xine '
[02:30] <OdyX> imbrandon: the easiest way to install it is still going through marillat's ?
[02:31] <imbrandon> yup far as i know
[02:31] <OdyX> well. that's far from easy, but works.
[02:31] <Riddell> libxine-extracodecs from multiverse, w32codecs and libdvdcss from dodgy places
[02:32] <imbrandon> theres a script in multiverse that installs libdvdcss2
[02:33] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 build-essential debhelper fakeroot
[02:33] <imbrandon> sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh
[02:33] <imbrandon> that will install libdvdcss2
[02:37] <Riddell> oh, groovy
[02:56] <Hobbsee> wb Riddell 
[02:56] <Riddell> freenode broke
[02:57] <Hobbsee> did it?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> not here...
[02:57] <Hobbsee> wasnt even a netsplit here..
[02:58] <auTONYmous> hi, anybody here this morning?
[02:58] <OculusAquilae> morning? where morning ? :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hi auTONYmous 
[02:58] <auTONYmous> I the US...9:00 am here
[02:58] <OculusAquilae> hi auTONYmous :)
[02:58] <Hobbsee> morning in the US
[02:58] <auTONYmous> I have a question about kdesu
[02:58] <OculusAquilae> ah
[02:59] <auTONYmous> I know someone here (in there infinite wisdom) has recompiled kdesu to use sudo instead of su
[02:59] <auTONYmous> I sometimes use kubuntu and suse interchangeably...how can I recompile kdesu to use sudo on suse?
[03:02] <OculusAquilae> auTONYmous: i think there's a patch on kdebase
[03:02] <OculusAquilae> try to make "apt-get source kdesu" 
[03:02] <OculusAquilae> and look in the new folder/debian/patches
[03:02] <auTONYmous> thanks, i'll check that out
[03:03] <auTONYmous> (I've seen something somewhere that apt4suse is being replaced with repmod...but that's really not a topic for here.)
[03:03] <Riddell> you need the patch in kdelibs too
[03:33] <kwwii> on launchpad it mentions that I am not a member of any team, is that important?
[03:36] <seaLne> probably only for your ego :)
[03:36] <kwwii> hehe :-)
[03:37] <OdyX> kwwii: join the more team you can, it's always fun
[03:37] <OdyX> kwwii: ubuntu-art for example... :D
[03:37] <kwwii> well, how does one join?
[03:37] <kwwii> I see no link to any kind of list or such
[03:37] <seaLne> should should join kubuntu-team tho i'm sure Riddell will approve it :)
[03:38] <seaLne> kwwii: go to the team and click join on the left
[03:39] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+join i think (don't have it as i'm a member of the team
[03:40] <kwwii> so if you do not know the name of the team, you cannot find that page to join
[03:40] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/people/<team-name>
[03:40] <seaLne> so err yeah
[03:40] <kwwii> yeah, that is what I meant :-)
[03:40] <kwwii> again, great usability
[03:41] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/people/+teamlist
[03:41] <kwwii> hiding the teams is the best way to avoid stupid people from joining :-)))
[03:43] <Hobbsee> kwwii: hehe.  it seems to take people a while to find their way around launchpad :P
[03:43] <Lure> kwwii: you can search for teams...
[03:43] <seaLne> lp has improved alot over the last year tho
[03:43] <Lure> Datum	Ime	Priimek		Metoda	Lokacija dela	SBA	Komu poroa	Redno od	Days from last PE/PD	PGM	Performed?
[03:43] <Lure> 	Luka	Vogrini	Luka Vogrini	R(Z)	LJ.BTC	BHS	Predrag Krsti	21.11.2005 00:00	38847	Storage	NO
[03:43] <Lure> https://launchpad.net/people/
[03:43] <Lure> sorry wrong paste
[03:43] <seaLne> Lure: 14:41 < seaLne> https://launchpad.net/people/+teamlist
[03:45] <Hobbsee> seaLne: that is very true.  the search probably works almost all the time now :P
[03:46] <seaLne> searching for a bugs the one you are about to report might be a duplicate of never seems very successfull
[03:46] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i know :(
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hmmm...any way to access konsole from inside konv?  or some form of run command?
[03:49] <Riddell> why would you want to?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: because i killed kdesktop, as it crashed, that froze kicker, so i killed that too, and now i cant get anything else to run!
[03:50] <seaLne> swicth to a virtual console?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> seaLne: doesnt let me restart kicker...
[03:50] <seaLne> you can't just run kicker?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> oh, never mind...
[03:51] <Hobbsee> seaLne: with what?
[03:51] <seaLne> typeing it
[03:51] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[03:51] <Hobbsee> long live katapult :D
[03:51] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i couldnt, i had no kdesktop and no kicker.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...and kicker is borked...
[03:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: can't access to TTY ?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> OdyX: nothing GUI will run from there
[03:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure it will !!
[03:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: alt-F2?  katapult?
[03:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: export DISPLAY=:0 && kwin &>/dev/null
[03:54] <OdyX> Hobbsee: try it
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i eventually figured that out...katapult was running.  alt+f2/win+r wouldnt work, for some reason - think that was part of the freezing, half killed kdesktop
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i'm back :)
[03:58] <imbrandon> night Riddell / Hobbsee / OdyX , tis my bedtime
[03:58] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[03:59] <imbrandon> lol
[03:59] <OdyX> Hobbsee: keyboard in raw with SysRQ then go to TTY 1 and start whatever needed from there.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i was only 4 hours late to uni, you know :P
[03:59] <Hobbsee> OdyX: in english?  :P
[04:01] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. If you're blocked /freezed, you should use SysRQ commands
[04:01] <Hobbsee> OdyX: when i get really frozen, ie, cant do anything, i cant get to a tty either - so have to hit the power button.
[04:02] <OdyX> Hobbsee: no... not always
[04:02] <OdyX> [Alt] -[SysRQ] -[R]  for "Raw"
[04:03] <OdyX> these are special commands that permit to guide directly the kernel
[04:03] <seaLne> you would need to enable sysrq first tho
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay...didnt know about them
[04:03] <OdyX> seaLne: it is per default, no ?
[04:03] <seaLne> i'd hope not
[04:03] <OdyX> seaLne: verfiy
[04:07] <OdyX> seaLne: when you cat something in /proc (or was it /sys), is it permanent ?
[04:07] <seaLne> no, something needs to set it at boot unless its a default
[04:08] <OdyX> seaLne: well.. It works then...
[04:08] <OdyX> do you want to be sure ?
[04:08] <OdyX> try sysRq b (reBoot)...
[04:08] <OdyX> Seveas tried ^^
[04:08] <OdyX> :D
[04:09] <seaLne> hmm, sysrq shouldn't be on by default its a security risk
[04:09] <OdyX> seaLne: I'm almost sure it is enabled per default...
[04:09] <OdyX> seaLne: it is...
[04:10] <seaLne> i'm begining to agree
[04:10] <OdyX> seaLne: but very useful though
[04:10] <seaLne> it didn't used to be on because i enabled it on my home machine a while ago
[04:10] <OdyX> seaLne: it allows to safely reboot with syncing, proper killing.
[04:10] <seaLne> i'm familiar with it
[04:10] <OdyX> OK
[04:10] <OdyX> :D
[04:11] <OdyX> where's the place we can check (and make checks) it is enabled ?
[04:11] <seaLne> it should be getting turned on somewhere in /etc
[04:12] <seaLne> unless it is turned on by default in the ubuntu kernel?
[04:12] <OdyX> grep gives nothing in /etc about sysrq, sysRQ nor SysRQ
[04:12] <OdyX> it seems default in ubuntu kernel
[04:12] <seaLne> yeah
[04:12] <OdyX> at least desktop's (so default's)
[04:13] <seaLne> CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
[04:13] <seaLne> so that answers that one
[04:13] <OdyX> yep
[04:14] <OdyX> do we have time to make it change ?
[04:15] <seaLne> its a simple change, but it depends why it was enabled
[04:17] <OdyX> seaLne: who asks on ubuntu-devel ?
[04:18] <Riddell> fabbione and benc are the linux people
[04:18] <seaLne> file a bug if you want against linux-source-2.6.15 if you want
[04:18] <Riddell> where linux == our kernel
[04:19] <OdyX> seaLne: well.. I don't see exactly the security issue...it needs local /serial access, no ?
[04:22] <seaLne> yes but not everyone with local access should be able to do evrything it can
[04:23] <OdyX> [16:22:54]  <BenC> OdyX: the only reason I know of is "it's always been on"
[04:23] <OdyX> [16:22:47]  <mjg59> OdyX: If someone has physical access to the console, then in general they can own the system
[04:24] <seaLne> unless its physically secured and the software is secured
[04:24] <seaLne> but i think there are way more important issues atm with dapper to worry about :)
[04:25] <OdyX> seaLne: could you please argue on #ubuntu-devel
[04:25] <Riddell> might be best to argue after dapper release :)
[04:25] <seaLne> i'd much rather you could sync a palm while using bluetooth than have sysrq disabled :)
[04:25] <OdyX> Riddell: sure !
[04:26] <OdyX> Sure
[04:26] <OdyX> Some'd like to connect to Internet through Bluetooth
[04:31] <seaLne> its a strange problem tho
[04:31] <OdyX> seaLne: [16:30:45]  <mjg59> OdyX: Put kernel/sysrq=0 in /etc/sysctl.conf
[04:31] <seaLne> OdyX: yip
[04:32] <OdyX> seaLne: <fabbione> OdyX: if a server is on the network is not secure. if a server has power is not secure. if there are cables coming out is not secure. if the disks are replaced the data are not secured. if you don't slam it in a 2x2x2mt cube of concrete is not secure (a nuclear blast might cause DoS)... if
[04:32] <OdyX> arf ^^
[04:32] <seaLne> desktops not servers
[04:33] <seaLne> but i don't really care enough to argue
[04:33] <seaLne> bug 43686 is very hard to reproduce on a clean install, yet happens on my home machine i wonder if there is something in that fact
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43686 in linux-source-2.6.15 "kpilot stops responding" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43686
[04:35] <seaLne> it alo effects pilot-xfer so is not just a kpilot problem
[04:46] <abattoir> I cannot seem to download off cdimage.ubuntu.com... "Connection to host cdimage.ubuntu.com is broken."
[04:46] <abattoir> does anyone else get this error?
[04:47] <abattoir> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso
[04:47] <abattoir> for example
[04:49] <abattoir> hello pygi :) 
[04:49] <pygi> hello abattoir 
[04:49] <pygi> congrats :)
[04:50] <abattoir> thank you :D 
[04:50] <Riddell> abattoir: works for me
[04:50] <Riddell> abattoir: what are you using to download?
[04:50] <seaLne> Connection closed at byte 1448. Retrying.
[04:50] <abattoir> Riddell: plain old konqueror
[04:50] <seaLne> ^ wget
[04:50] <abattoir> I guess it's my network then...
[04:50] <abattoir> only the .iso s dont work
[04:50] <seaLne> abattoir: i get error
[04:50] <abattoir> other files work fine
[04:51] <abattoir> seaLne: oh, ok.
[04:51] <seaLne> it is sending back "206 Partial Content" 
[04:52] <Riddell> some programmes have problems with extra large files
[04:52] <Riddell> abattoir: try wget
[04:52] <seaLne> Riddell: i get the error with wget
[04:52] <abattoir> Riddell: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers. Retrying.
[04:53] <abattoir> that's with wget
[04:53] <abattoir> i'll try installing kget
[04:53] <seaLne> my problem maybe be  proxy getting upset tho
[04:53] <abattoir> but it has worked fine w/ konqueror's file transfer 'thing' before
[04:53] <seaLne> i can get cd iso's fine just not the dvd
[04:53] <pygi> abattoir, pm? :)
[04:54] <abattoir> pygi: sorry, was checking out wget... :) 
[04:56] <abattoir> seaLne: yes, the cd ISOs work fine
[04:56] <seaLne> you behind a proxy? maybe even "transparent" proxy?
[04:57] <Firetech> hmm, anyone here using QT4 (on kubuntu)? I'm trying to run qmake-qt4, but it seems to want to run uic from qt3...
[04:57] <abattoir> seaLne: I dont think so.
[04:57] <Firetech> I don't really want to change the links in /usr/bin, since I still want to be able to compile qt3 stuff...
[05:00] <kwwii_afk> night Hobbsee
[05:01] <abattoir> seaLne , Riddell : ftp works fine
[05:01] <abattoir> thanks
[05:02] <seaLne> abattoir: sounds like it might have been a proxy then, looks like you are on broadband or sme sort of home connection?
[05:03] <abattoir> yes, ADSL
[05:04] <abattoir> but i dont think i am behind a proxy....
[05:05] <OdyX> night Hobbsee
[05:07] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/bugs/46374
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46374 in kubuntu-meta "Could not find "About Ubuntu"" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:07] <seaLne> interesting point
[05:11] <Riddell> seaLne: Reject, kubuntu isn't ubuntu
[05:11] <seaLne> i presume he means about kubuntu
[05:11] <Riddell> well there's no such thing :)
[05:12] <Riddell> if we were to add it we'd put it in the About KDE box
[05:12] <seaLne> about ubuntu in gnome seems to just give the help page
[05:12] <Riddell> yes
[05:12] <seaLne> and adding another help item would be bad
[05:13] <seaLne> "about kubuntu" is available in the "help" menu option seem ok response? i don't want him to hate me :)
[05:13] <Riddell> yep, good idea
[05:17] <seaLne> should help:/ not give you something?
[05:17] <Riddell> ideally, but too late to fix as I said to raphink the other day
[05:17] <OdyX> seaLne: this was pointed yesterday by raphink
[05:18] <seaLne> ah this was related to the other doc stuff
[05:39] <OdyX> Riddell: how are AAC files supposed to be read in AmaroK ?
[05:39] <OdyX> in libxine-extras ?
[05:41] <cmvo> Riddell: dapper alternate 0525, expert mode, i386, ok :-)
[05:42] <bddebian> Hello
[05:43] <OdyX> Riddell: the icon "Install" on live CD is supposed to launch ubiquity, huh =
[05:44] <seaLne> yes
[05:44] <OdyX> seaLne: OK. We'll see
[05:44] <OdyX> seaLne: 256 is supposed to be enough RAM ?
[05:45] <seaLne> well its way more than 64k
[05:46] <OdyX> Sure.
[05:50] <seaLne> Riddell: what about patching kio_help to redirect to help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ when no result?
[05:52] <cmvo> Riddell: s/25/24
[05:55] <Riddell> seaLne: an index of some sort would be nicer, but as far as I know KDE doesn't put anything there so I'm not going to add a new feature to dapper
[05:55] <Riddell> edgy yes
[05:55] <Riddell> cmvo: great, can you update the kubuntu table at Current/Testing
[05:55] <seaLne> its a 1 line patch
[05:55] <Riddell> OdyX: yes, Install should launch ubiquity
[05:55] <Riddell> OdyX: aac Files probably with libfaad
[05:56] <cmvo> Riddell: I'll take a look...
[05:57] <OdyX> Riddell: thanks and thanks
[06:07] <bddebian> w00t, congrats OdyX
[06:07] <OdyX> ;-)
[06:07] <seaLne> its amazing how its starts to add up
[06:07] <kwwii_afk> does that mean you get a free t-shirt or what?
[06:07] <OdyX> kwwii_afk: if it were...
[06:08] <seaLne> kwwii: that would actually be a very cool idea
[06:08] <OdyX> kwwii: it means I don't see the sun anymore.
[06:08] <kwwii> OdyX: I know *exactly* what you mean
[06:09] <OdyX> kwwii: ...
[06:09] <kwwii> my wife thinks that I will get a suntan next week in portugal - how wrong she is :-)
[06:09] <OdyX> kwwii: looking at top left edge of screen to know outside's weather ?
[06:09] <kwwii> yeah :-)
[06:09] <kwwii> I do not even open my blinds anymore
[06:13] <kwwii> the MIT 100$ laptop is Ubuntu themed! (even if it runs fedora)
[06:14] <pygi> kwwii, joy :-)
[06:15] <seaLne> kwwii: i didn't think they were going to be brown :)
[06:15] <kwwii> seaLne: they are red and orange in the pics
[06:24] <Riddell> kwwii: did you have any thougts about a release image?
[06:25] <Riddell> would any of these be good enough for release candidate do you think? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mug/
[06:25] <Riddell> cropped obviously
[06:26] <OdyX> could be cool if we saw all of the word
[06:26] <Riddell> can't really fix the word and the logo into view
[06:27] <OdyX> Riddell: yeah... We have some real good blenderists on forums, maybe some funky 3D image ?
[06:28] <Riddell> go ahead and poke some, random images to go with news on the website are always welcome
[06:29] <Riddell> so long as it has some connection to kubuntu
[06:29] <OdyX> OKi.
[06:29] <OdyX> I'll go and make propositions
[06:29] <OdyX> what's the reward ($$$) ? 
[06:29] <OdyX> ;-)
[06:29] <Riddell> fame and women, no money
[06:31] <OdyX> OK. I think they'll need woman's pictures..
[06:31] <OdyX> :D
[06:31] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: is RC out?
[06:31] <OdyX> freeflying-g4: tomorrow as I heard
[06:31] <freeflying-g4> OdyX: 
[06:31] <freeflying-g4> thx
[06:33] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: no, all testing of curren CDs welcome
[06:33] <Riddell> add results to Testing/Current
[06:34] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: thx
[06:36] <seaLne> Riddell: is there no way to fix the certificate problem with wiki.kubuntu.org?
[06:37] <Riddell> seaLne: if you report it to bugs.kde.org I'll poke the sysadmin to change it
[06:37] <seaLne> bugs.kde.org?
[06:37] <Riddell> actually that probably needs a separate IP address so they probably won't
[06:37] <Riddell> seaLne: konqueror doesn't remember to not warn you about the certificate, I'd say that's a KDE bug
[06:37] <seaLne> IPs are free :)
[06:38] <Riddell> yeah yeah, just because you university types have thousands of them :)
[06:38] <seaLne> Riddell: thats a secondary issue, it looks very unprofesional
[06:38] <seaLne> no i mean they are free
[06:38] <Riddell> I know
[06:39] <seaLne> they have a /20 they aren't exactly short
[06:39] <Riddell> although a lot of hosting companies find ways of adding admin fees for the privilage of routing them
[06:39] <Riddell> but yes, I'll poke sysadmin
[06:39] <seaLne> even geeksoc has a /24 :)
[06:41] <seaLne> ah sorry its mNET that has the /20 the servers are only in a /25
[06:52] <seaLne> can anyone else confirm that moused over links in the footer on wiki.kubuntu.org unreadable due to foreground and background being the same?
[06:52] <seaLne> or actually slightly different but still unreadable
[06:54] <OdyX> seaLne: I confirm. Riddell: can someone try to make a slightly different /Dapper CSS therefore (wiki.kubuntu.org) ?
[06:54] <OdyX> someone could be me though
[06:59] <kwwii> Riddell: something like that would be nice, but I would suggest making a better pic
[06:59] <kwwii> Riddell: I also started to render an image with nifty light shining through it, etc.
[07:00] <kwwii> I actually bought two cups like that and then forgot to bring them with me when the LT was over
[07:00] <Riddell> OdyX: please do :)
[07:00] <kwwii> I have a light table for taking pics like that
[07:01] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Going to.
[07:01] <kwwii> but no cup :-(
[07:01] <Riddell> kwwii: how does that work?
[07:07] <kwwii> Riddell: you mean a light box?
[07:07] <seaLne> indirect light so no glare?
[07:08] <kwwii> basically it is a big piece of opaque plexi-glass which you can bend in all directions and underneath it is a series of lights which you can individually dim
[07:08] <kwwii> erm, semi-opaque
[07:08] <kwwii> translucent is the word I was looking for
[07:08] <seaLne> cool
[07:10] <kwwii> actually you could build one yourself...just buy white translucent plexiglas and a bunch of neon lights
[07:10] <kwwii> the color of the lights is unimportant since it shines through the plexiglas first (so you could also use tungsten light or whatever)
[07:11] <seaLne> how big is it?
[07:12] <kwwii> actually I have two of them, a small one I made myself and a bigger one I bought
[07:12] <kwwii> but the small one is too small
[07:12] <kwwii> basically 1mx1m is big enough for most things
[07:12] <kwwii> it depends on which angle you are shooting from
[07:12] <seaLne> do you use other lighting aswell?
[07:12] <kwwii> and how high the object is
[07:13] <kwwii> yes, I rent a studio with a friend and we have a full set of studio lighting
[07:13] <kwwii> but those lights are "daylight" lights which are expensive
[07:14] <kwwii> you could also simply use a white sheet or piece of paper and blend the details out with light but because the cup is white it would be better not to do it that way
[07:15] <kwwii> you will loose some of the edges of the cup
[07:17] <kwwii> another way would be to put it on a grey bg and only use minimal lighting to illuminate the cup nicely but the edges might be a bit rough
[07:18] <kwwii> there is a nice filter in krita which could help (min and max colorizing stuff)
[07:18] <kwwii> help with cutting out the cup, I mean
[07:23] <seaLne> is gksudo "update-manager -d" really the recomended way to dist-upgrade?
[07:25] <OdyX> seaLne: under K ?
[07:26] <OdyX> seaLne: certainly not
[07:26] <seaLne> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperUpgrades
[07:26] <OdyX> hum
[07:26] <OdyX> If you are in command line, i'd say a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the only best one
[07:26] <seaLne> i'm not exactly sure how wiki.kubuntu works, does it access wiki.ubuntu.com content aswell?
[07:27] <OdyX> seaLne: they are exactly the same
[07:27] <seaLne> OdyX: not very friendly for users
[07:27] <OdyX> just two diferent hosts
[07:27] <seaLne> thought that
[07:27] <OdyX> seaLne: well.. users have to change their /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:28] <tvo> hi abattoir 
[07:29] <OdyX> seaLne: a Kubuntu version could be good
[07:33] <seaLne> should the live cd drop out of usplash into text if safe mode was selected?
[08:10] <OdyX> I made a first adaptation of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats for Kubuntu. Could some take a look (and modify) ?
[08:16] <apokryphos> looks good; gonna add a note on kubuntu mp3 under breezy. gstreamer0.8-mad required for mp3 playback using the gstreamer engine, and k3b-mad for k3b
[08:17] <Riddell> OdyX: where?
[08:18] <OdyX> Riddell: directly on the page.
[08:19] <OdyX> Riddell: This page is referred everywhere, so I took the liberty to modify directly there.
[08:19] <apokryphos> yes; I'd almost definitely say it was the most-visited wiki page
[08:22] <Riddell> OdyX: describe what kaffeine and amarok do, like on the line above for ubuntu
[08:22] <Riddell> OdyX: Breezy Badger needs gstreamer0.8-mad too
[08:23] <apokryphos> I've changed to add that already btw
[08:24] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. On my way doing it
[08:24] <Riddell> "here is ever a plugin in Kubuntu" -> "Kubuntu comes with a plugin by default"
[08:25] <Riddell> where does flash get installed these days? does konqueror know about that directory?
[08:26] <Riddell> looks good
[08:27] <apokryphos> the actual plugins go to usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[08:27] <Riddell> that should be ok
[08:27] <apokryphos> yeah, I very vaguely recall flash being picked up
[08:28] <apokryphos> but not java; had to manually change it to /usr/bin/java for sun-java to be used. Plain 'java' would never be picked up for me
[08:29] <yuriy> OdyX: the original page had gnome stuff listed first everywhere, then KDE, for the kubuntu page i think it should be flipped
[08:29] <OdyX> yuriy: there is no kubuntu page..
[08:29] <OdyX> yuriy: there is only one page...
[08:30] <OdyX> yuriy: both wiki show the same pages
[08:30] <apokryphos> the two wikis are the same thing exactly
[08:33] <yuriy> oh, i thought you were creating a new one for kubuntu. i see, nevermind then.
[08:38] <Riddell> Sime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StreamlinedBoot  we need to move guidance to 60
[08:39] <OdyX> btw, if someone has time to test from Breezy, it could be cool to update that page too: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperUpgrades
[08:45] <apokryphos> OdyX: which part?
[08:49] <OdyX> apokryphos: well.. the whole... I doubt it'll work "as is" from Kubuntu breezy
[08:49] <apokryphos> of course it will
[08:49] <apokryphos> the second part, anyway (Upgrading by changing sources...)
[08:53] <OdyX> apokryphos: the second part, for sure, OK.
[08:54] <OdyX> apokryphos: and there is no Breezy/KDE tool to make it
[09:24] <Sime> Riddell: fine
[09:40] <marseillai> hi! i'll soon make two new installation of kubuntu before the final release is there any test to do? (aka live cd installation or breezy upgrade ?)
[09:42] <robotgeek> marseillai: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing
[09:44] <Riddell> marseillai: see kubuntu table https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[09:44] <Riddell> breezy upgrade would be interesting actually
[09:50] <marseillai> oki I'll try both of them!
[12:44] <OdyX> Riddell: just thought about a bad issue: Kdm splash is not translated...
[12:45] <Riddell> kdm or ksplash?
[12:51] <OdyX> well.. graphical login prompt
[12:52] <OdyX> damn... these translation pages are sooo heavy
[12:53] <OdyX> Riddell: I just checked... All are complete green in Rosetta
[12:53] <OdyX> I mean, kdm* ksplash*
[12:54] <OdyX> Riddell: In which package are "username", "password" and all that stuff from login prompt ?
[12:56] <Riddell> should be in KDM I expect
[12:56] <OdyX> well.. Everything is translated then...
[12:57] <OdyX> well.. translatable are only kdmgreet and kdmconfig
[12:58] <OdyX> it's in kdmgreet. Correct in FR
[01:01] <OdyX> Riddell: I'm going to search an existing bug and file one if noone found.
[01:01] <toma> OdyX: can you ckeck your settings?
[01:02] <OdyX> toma: I can, where ?
[01:02] <toma> system settings->
[01:02] <OdyX> .
[01:02] <toma> system management
[01:02] <toma> login screen
[01:03] <OdyX> OK. Seen.. It's in "nothing"
[01:03] <OdyX> That's still a bug...
[01:03] <OdyX> My system is in fr_FR
[01:03] <toma> can you change it and see if it works?
[01:04] <OdyX> let's go
[01:04] <toma> afaik kdm does not look at the locale (gdm does)
[01:04] <OdyX> toma: it works
[01:06] <toma> I'm not sure you would call this a bug, but I guess so.
[01:06] <OdyX> toma: could that be changed at install (ubiquity or/and text install) ?
[01:08] <OdyX> rapid other question: "half translated" packages will be uploaded or not ?
[01:09] <toma> OdyX: it is in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc so I guess it can
[01:09] <OdyX> toma: so will it ?
[01:09] <OdyX> toma: I mean, it's not soooo critical, but makes "user's first sight bad" when getting out of ubiquity
[01:10] <toma> OdyX: yes, better ask Riddell then
[01:11] <Riddell> that's pretty silly of kdm
[01:12] <toma> Riddell: yes, it is
[01:14] <toma> there is an endless discussion at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55379
[01:14] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 55379 in general "language selection in kdm" [Wishlist,New]  
[01:14] <toma> about language selection, but touches this subject here and there
[01:18] <Riddell> new desktop and alternative CDs are up for those who want to test
[01:18] <Riddell> quite likely to become final release candidate
[01:22] <toma> nite!
[01:32] <OdyX> nite all.
[02:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:21] <Riddell> morning bddebian 
[02:21] <Riddell> bddebian: what timezone are you in?
[02:21] <bddebian> EST
[02:21] <bddebian> UTC -5 I think?
[02:21] <Riddell> so you must be getting home from work at this time?
[02:22] <Riddell> for whatever definition of work
[02:23] <bddebian> Maybe we're -8 Here?  Hell I don't know.  It's 8:23pm :)
[02:56] <crimsun> that's -4, dude, you're EDT like me.
[03:02] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[03:04] <bddebian> Told ya I was dumb :-)
[03:04] <crimsun> date -R  :-)
[06:24] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: any article introduce kubuntu dapper?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: hmmm?
[06:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I'd write an anticle about kubntu for a magazine, so any artcle can be reference
[06:27] <crimsun> freeflying: the Kubuntu links in the right side of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ are good
[06:28] <crimsun> namely About, Release, and Adept
[06:28] <freeflying> crimsun: thanks
[06:29] <freeflying> crimsun: how about the UVFe of zhcon  :)
[06:30] <crimsun> freeflying: malone #?
[06:31] <freeflying> crimsun: heh, I thought you would work on it 
[06:31] <crimsun> freeflying: no, I've been too busy
[06:43] <poimen> .me loves it
[06:43] <poimen> ;)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:43] <poimen> but only linux related stuff school crap is hatefull
[06:43] <Hobbsee> especially with techniques - ack!
[06:44] <Hobbsee> true
[06:44] <poimen> Hobbses what u do in kubuntu
[06:44] <poimen> ?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> poimen: well....
[06:46] <poimen> lol
[06:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how should i answer poimen's question?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yay!  we got new emails!!!  :D
[06:46] <imbrandon> *looks* sorry wasent looking
[06:47] <poimen> :p
[06:47] <imbrandon> poimen: she is a member of the comunity council and a motu(ish) person ;)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> yay.  that's cool :D
[06:47] <Hobbsee> poimen: and work with bug reports, bits of organisation, rather than coding, per se...
[06:48] <freeflying> poimen: you like article, so you have kubntu's ?  :)
[06:48] <poimen> freeflying
[06:48] <poimen> ??
[06:48] <freeflying> poimen: introduce kubuntu to windows users
[06:48] <poimen> I am running kubuntu dapper 6.06 updated yesterday to curent and downloading updates rightnow ;)
[06:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: new emails ? /me is still waiting on his @ubuntu.com and/or @kubuntu.org and @ubuntu/members/imbrandon hostmask ;)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: see the topic
[06:49] <poimen> you are aking me to write something?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> for the hostmask, poke Seveas 
[06:50] <imbrandon> ahh nice, i'll have to try it .... go's off to email imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[06:51] <freeflying> poimen: no, just I'd write, but I hate articles
[06:51] <poimen> freeflying I can help ;)
[06:51] <freeflying> poimen: really? fine
[06:51] <poimen> for when u want the article?
[06:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550 <imbrandon@kubuntu.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[06:52] <imbrandon> heh
[06:52] <poimen> u want the article for that kubuntu websitE?
[06:52] <freeflying> poimen: as soon as you can 
[06:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the emails should already work...
[06:52] <freeflying> poimen: no, it's for a e-magazine
[06:52] <imbrandon> yea i just tried it
[06:52] <Hobbsee> it's a redirect to your email account listed on launchpad
[06:52] <imbrandon> see the smto erir
[06:53] <imbrandon> error
[06:53] <poimen> freeflying one page?
[06:53] <poimen> or how many?
[06:53] <freeflying> poimen: about 1k words 
[06:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  i know, but the mailserver is kicking it back
[06:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :(
[06:53] <poimen> 1k <----- that mens 1000
[06:53] <poimen> ?
[06:53] <imbrandon> Error (state 9): 550 <imbrandon@kubuntu.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[06:54] <poimen> ok I will try to ;)
[06:54] <poimen> were u live USA
[06:54] <poimen> its 1 am here
[06:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: try to send a message to imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[06:54] <freeflying> poimen: no, I'm in China
[06:54] <poimen> I can have it for 4pm
[06:54] <imbrandon> and yes thats my lpad-id and yes i have an email setup on lpad ;)
[06:55] <poimen> but I wont say it will be pefect but I think it could help
[06:55] <freeflying> poimen: thx
[06:56] <poimen> freeflying u want what from the article?
[06:57] <freeflying> poimen: it's up to you
[06:58] <poimen> ok
[06:59] <poimen> well I have to take a nice shower
[06:59] <poimen> I have a strange smell in me....
[06:59] <poimen> :p be back in a hr or so ;)
[06:59] <freeflying> poimen:  :)
[07:10] <dereks> i am trying to use krdc, which required libkdnssd.so.1, which isn't on my system, i looked in the kdnssd package, and it doesn't inclued it. any suggestions? (i am on dapper btw)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> dereks: as in, libkdnssd.so.1 isnt in kdnssd?
[07:12] <dereks> Hobbsee: i did a dpkg -c and it wasn't
[07:12] <dereks>  dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/kdnssd_4%3a3.5.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[07:13] <Hobbsee> how odd...
[07:13] <dereks> Hobbsee: do you see that on yours?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> dereks: yes
[07:13] <dereks> Hobbsee: ok, so thats causing krdc not to work
[07:14] <Hobbsee> dereks: gotcha - breezy or dapper?
[07:14] <dereks> dapper
[07:15] <Hobbsee> dereks: it's in kdelibs4c2a
[07:15] <poimen-shower> btw : I am going to install ubuntu kubuntu or xubuntu in a friends PC but he has a olf 400MHZ with 128mb of ram
[07:15] <poimen-shower> Hobbsee :D can I have kde4 in my system :D
[07:15] <poimen-shower> ??
[07:15] <Hobbsee> poimen-shower: ouch,  xubuntu might be better for that :P
[07:16] <Hobbsee> poimen-shower: huh?
[07:16] <poimen-shower> btw: shower done..
[07:16] <poimen-shower> btw: shower done..
[07:16] <poimen-shower> bah
[07:17] <poimen-shower> Hobbsee :D how can I have kde4 in my system ??
[07:17] <Hobbsee> dereks: try reinstalling kdelibs4c2a - the libkdnssd.so.1 is in there, and it's listed as a dep for krdc
[07:17] <Hobbsee> poimen-shower: compile it?  i'm not sure, i've not tried
[07:18] <poimen> derek .... u sing kde 4 ?
[07:18] <dereks> Hobbsee: i just did, sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs4c2a
[07:19] <Hobbsee> dereks: it's definetly in kdelibs4c2a version 0ubuntu18
[07:19] <dereks> Hobbsee: i see it in there, it doesn't seem to be installing though
[07:20] <dereks> when i do an updatedb;locate libkdnssd i get only "/usr/lib/libkdnssd-avahi/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0.kdecore"
[07:20] <dereks> Hobbsee: i wonder too
[07:20] <dereks> Hobbsee: is --reinstall right? or should i do a different param
[07:21] <Hobbsee> you'd have to look under apt-get -h for that
[07:22] <dereks> so i know --reinstall works, i just don't know if it does the desired thing
[07:22] <poimen> I can set up KDE for best preformance in a system like my firends ?  
[07:22] <dereks> lemme read
[07:22] <crimsun> --reinstall install
[07:22] <dereks> crimsun: yeah tahts what i did
[07:23] <dereks> crimsun: that should put the files where i need them?
[07:23] <crimsun> it should
[07:23] <dereks> crimsun: should i try 1 step lower and do a dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:23] <dereks> or would that not work
[07:25] <crimsun> dpkg -P --force-depends kdelibs4c2a && apt-get -f install
[07:26] <Hobbsee> dereks: the other, less elegant solution, is probably to just grab the source, and copy the files over to where they need to be...but you might be having trouble with more than just that file..
[07:26] <dereks> crimsun: whoa, lots of dependency issues
[07:27] <dereks> heh
[07:27] <dereks> sorry 
[07:28] <Hobbsee> odd.  didnt know that had a lmit
[07:28] <dereks> oh, thought you meant our convo :)
[07:30] <Hobbsee> no...the topic :P
[07:30] <dereks> :)
[07:31] <poimen> well time to sleep
[07:31] <poimen> see you all laterz
[07:31] <Hobbsee> now it fits :D
[07:32] <dereks> this is annoying me
[07:32] <crimsun> did you purge it and reinstall it?
[07:32] <dereks> crimsun: yeah
[07:33] <dereks> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/736523
[07:34] <crimsun> well, that's the command I gave you, yes, but that's a bit less than helpful for debugging.
[07:34] <dereks> crimsun: what do you mean?
[07:34] <crimsun> I'd be more interested in seeing dpkg's and apt-get's output.
[07:35] <dereks> oh, sorry i thouhgt it was pasted there :) darn webboard applet
[07:35] <dereks> http://pastebin.com/736526
[07:36] <Hobbsee> dereks: did it finish after that?  install kubuntu-desktop again after that...
[07:37] <dereks> Hobbsee: reinstall it ?
[07:37] <dereks> kuz it is already the latest version
[07:37] <Hobbsee> odd
[07:37] <dereks> me too
[07:37] <crimsun> dereks: well, what /is(are)/ the symptom(s)?
[07:39] <ajmitch_> dereks: ls -la /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:39] <dereks> crimsun: i am looking for libdnssd.so.1 so i can use kdrc, but it isn't installed, hoever its in the kdelibs package
[07:39] <dereks> ls -la /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:39] <dereks> ls: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1: No such file or directory
[07:39] <ajmitch_> dpkg -L kdelibs4c2a |grep kdns
[07:39] <Lathiat> trentl@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -S  /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:39] <Lathiat> kdelibs4c2a: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:40] <dereks> /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0
[07:40] <dereks> diverted by libkdnssd-avahi to: /usr/lib/libkdnssd-avahi/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0.kdecore
[07:40] <dereks> /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:40] <ajmitch_> right, so it is a diversion
[07:40] <ajmitch_> I thought it might be..
[07:40] <dereks> whats that mean?
[07:40] <ajmitch_> it's avahi so I blame Lathiat for all those problems
[07:40] <Lathiat> libkdnssd-avahi isnt used
[07:40] <dereks> haha
[07:40] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: run!
[07:40] <Lathiat> thats something youve installed previously
[07:40] <Lathiat> and the diversion wasnt cleaned up
[07:40] <dereks> Lathiat: how should i fix it :)
[07:41] <Lathiat> dunno
[07:41] <Lathiat> who knows the magical command? :)
[07:41] <Lathiat> dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:41] <Lathiat> perhaps
[07:41] <Lathiat> ?
[07:41] <dereks> do i need to remove a package? lemme see
[07:41] <ajmitch_> probably by dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0
[07:41] <Lathiat> dereks: check its installed but i doubt it
[07:41] <Lathiat> given it doesnt exist
[07:42] <Lathiat> ah
[07:42] <Lathiat> indeed
[07:42] <dereks> rc  kdnssd-avahi
[07:42] <dereks> its not
[07:42] <ajmitch_> right
[07:42] <dereks> though other parts of avahi are, is that ok?
[07:42] <ajmitch_> so the remove script of it is broken
[07:43] <ajmitch_> since you once had it installed, but the diversion remains
[07:43] <ajmitch_> dereks: have you tried the dpkg-civert magic foo?
[07:43] <dereks> yeah i just did it
[07:43] <ajmitch_> s/civert/divert/
[07:43] <ajmitch_> any effect?
[07:43] <dereks> trying
[07:43] <dereks> let me reinstall kdelibs, right?
[07:44] <ajmitch_> shouldn't need to reinstall it
[07:44] <dereks> ajmitch_: yeah i needed to reinstall it
[07:44] <dereks> but now its working :)
[07:44] <dereks> thaks guys
[07:45] <dereks> now its time for bed so i can play with this in the morning
[07:45] <dereks> have a nice evening/morning
[07:45] <Hobbsee> bye dereks 
[07:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: test passed
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: talk about dev stuff in here :P
[09:14] <imbrandon> yea i know , was just lazy ;)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: er....that's already uploaded
[09:14] <imbrandon> brb i'ma grab some mt dew while you do that
[09:15] <Hobbsee> maybe the launchpad page is just slow or something
[09:15] <imbrandon> what is ?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kmess.  do you still have the debdiff for that at all?  i cant see it changed in the rules file, but the changelog is updated...
[09:16] <Hobbsee> no, wait...i'ts just rebuilt, that's okay...
[09:16] <imbrandon> nothing changes it was just a rebuil;d
[09:18] <Hobbsee> interesting.  i only see -0ubuntu2 in repos...
[09:18] <imbrandon> yea probbly becouse it ftbfs
[09:19] <freeflying|away> avahi-utils has two entries in menu, anyone would like fix it?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: trying to build it now
[09:20] <vinboy> is the release candidate coming?
[09:20] <imbrandon> vinboy: when its ready
[09:21] <vinboy> lol
[09:21] <vinboy> hi imbrandon
[09:21] <vinboy> it is you again
[09:21] <imbrandon> hello ;)
[09:21] <vinboy> hehe
[09:21] <vinboy> so funny
[09:21] <vinboy> i keep asking and u keep answering
[09:21] <imbrandon> yes youve been asking that all night and will get the same awnser all night ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> it's only 7am UTC - be patient...
[09:21] <vinboy> lol
[09:22] <vinboy> i have been waiting for 5 days
[09:22] <imbrandon> 7:22 ;)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> vinboy: when it's there, it'll be in the topic
[09:22] <vinboy> ok
[09:22] <vinboy> kool!
[09:23] <vinboy> imbrandon where u from?
[09:23] <vinboy> Hobbsee where u from
[09:23] <Hobbsee> vinboy: sydney, australia
[09:23] <imbrandon> kansas city , missouri , usa
[09:24] <imbrandon> heh
[09:24] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: two menu entries in kmenu ? 
[09:24] <vinboy> ic
[09:24] <vinboy> i'm from little New Zealand
[09:25] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ya
[09:25] <OdyX> crazy.. people from all around the world.
[09:25] <imbrandon> btw vinboy not that i personaly care but this is the development channel, release info will probbly be told in #kubuntu first  ;)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> vinboy: another one of you.  you're multiplying.
[09:25] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: one in system, another in utilities
[09:25] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: k i'll grab that , seems simple enough ;)
[09:26] <freeflying|away> imbrandon:  :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> what one would be more approperate ? system or utils  ?
[09:26] <Lathiat> whats the menu item?
[09:26] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I prefer to util
[09:26] <imbrandon> k
[09:27] <Lathiat> yeh utilities is probably better
[09:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: configuring...
[09:28] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: can you upload?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: actually, i'tll probably be said here at around the same tiem
[09:28] <imbrandon> no but i can get someone to do it when i finish it
[09:28] <imbrandon> *working on upload privs soon* just need a little more under my belt ;)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: imbrandon just went for membership - not motu :P
[09:29] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: then I can upload it for you 
[09:29] <imbrandon> but i spend 50% of my time in #kubuntu helping newbs or the other 50% with motu stuff ..... soooo it wont be long ;)
[09:29] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee:  how about your motu ship?
[09:29] <imbrandon> ok
[09:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: havent thought about it
[09:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: well, not much, anyway
[09:31] <seaLne> freeflying|away: btw german version of kinnison is done now just waiting on french :)
[09:31] <freeflying|away> seaLne: heh, you may give us new, we can prepare for the next one
[09:32] <seaLne> then i'd just have you asking for even longer :P
[09:32] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: it's getting to the point where it's getting annoying to have to ask for uploading people hehe
[09:32] <imbrandon> lol yea Hobbsee ;)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> then again, i really dont want to kill the repos accidently
[09:33] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: if you are a code-dev, you will not get annoying anymore  :)
[09:34] <seaLne> Hobbsee: its ok you are probably far enough away that no one would be bothered to kill you :)
[09:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:34] <Hobbsee> seaLne: heh
[09:35] <crimsun> forgive freeflying, who's probably not as familiar with those intricacies ;-)
[09:36] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: damn.  ftbfs indeed.
[09:36] <crimsun> but yes, you never say to a woman that she's annoying. Unless she's your sister and you're on the phone with her. And you don't plan to talk to her for four years.
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:37] <imbrandon> yea and i changed nothing Hobbsee so it was probbly that way before *or* something else is breakin it
[09:37] <Hobbsee> it cant have ftbfs before...
[09:37] <Hobbsee> tha'ts really weird...
[09:37] <imbrandon> yea but a changelog only will not cause it to ftbfs
[09:37] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: sorry for using wrong word, and I'm not so good at English, maybe I exprress something wrong
[09:38] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: i know :P  i was amused
[09:39] <Hobbsee> but yes, i wouldnt end up annoying people anymore with upload requests...
[09:39] <crimsun> (it's not annoying, btw. We all understand it's protocol you have to endure.)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> no, what annoys me is if i say "hey, i need this uploaded, and someone goes "no, it's kde, ask the kde people, we dont want to touch it" when it's only a simple debian/control change
[09:41] <imbrandon> heh
[09:41] <Hobbsee> i start to think "hey, i wouldnt have asked you to if i thought it was a fix that needed kde-experienced eyes over it - especially way after UVF - really!
[09:42] <imbrandon> ok not to look *totaly* stupid but i thought menu entries were in .desktop files ? *sees none*
[09:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: they usually are
[09:43] <imbrandon> do they get generated durring build or something?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> no, they should be there - look around it may not be right in the debian folder
[09:43] <Hobbsee> might be in a subdir
[09:44] <imbrandon> yea  ..... updatedb &
[09:44] <imbrandon> err
[09:44] <imbrandon> nm
[09:45] <Hobbsee> i am wondering about that ftbfs, and why i'ts there
[09:45] <imbrandon> yea i think thats beond us , maybe convice crimsun or someone too look at it ?
[09:45] <imbrandon> btw found it lol
[09:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: any idea why this FTBFS?  http://pastebin.com/736614
[09:47] <crimsun> (looking)
[09:48] <crimsun> line 95.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, more info than that?
[09:51] <crimsun> err, give me a sec to apt-get source
[09:55] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: ping
[09:55] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: pong
[09:55] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/avahi_0.6.10-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[09:55] <imbrandon> there she be
[09:56] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ok
[09:56] <crimsun> (err, avahi is main, and the repo is still frozen for RC prep...)
[09:56] <crimsun> (you can still upload, but it'll be queued)
[09:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: just a thought, what happens with that in gnome then?  does it still keep it's menu entry?
[09:57] <imbrandon> *dident know* freeflying|away just ask me to remove the dupe ;)
[09:57] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: it has two entries in K menu
[09:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: so i hear, but does taking out one of them effect the gnome menu?
[09:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: it has two in gnome too
[09:57] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[09:58] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: no
[09:58] <imbrandon> -Categories=GNOME;Application;System;Utility;
[09:58] <imbrandon> +Categories=GNOME;Application;Utility;
[09:58] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: silly my network, I can not access to the url you given
[09:59] <imbrandon> hmm want me to dcc it ?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, didnt know what the "GNOME" bit actually meant..
[09:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: email it, surely
[09:59] <imbrandon> freeflying@ubuntu.com ?
[09:59] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: zhengpeng-hou AT ubuntu.com
[09:59] <imbrandon> k
[10:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: that is, of course, the disadvantage of not using your irc nick in launchpad - no one can guess your email...
[10:01] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: it's used to be, but raphlink told me to use real name on launcpad
[10:01] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you need the patch from #357764
[10:01] <Hobbsee> bug 357764
[10:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: ah okay
[10:01] <freeflying|away> :)
[10:01] <crimsun> debian #357764
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 357764 in kmess "Subject: kmess: FTBFS: g++ compile error" [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/357764
[10:02] <crimsun> hmph, or pull it from upstream
[10:03] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: sent, but i found out why the url dident work either ( my local file/webserver cycles every night at 3am so its rebooting ) but its on its way in the email
[10:03] <crimsun> that's because 1.4.2-2 is only in testing now (1.4.3-1 is in unstable)
[10:03] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ok, thx
[10:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun: grab it from testing then?
[10:04] <crimsun> +-  messageLabel_->setSizePolicy( QSizePolicy::Minimum, QSizePolicy::Minimum );
[10:04] <crimsun> ++  messageLabel_->setSizePolicy( QSizePolicy(QSizePolicy::Minimum, QSizePolicy::Minimum) );
[10:04] <crimsun> that's the relevant portion of the diff
[10:05] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what are you suggesting?  patch that bit, or sync it?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> how big's the diff?
[10:05] <crimsun> just wrap both actual parameters in a method call to QSizePolicy()
[10:05] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no, just manually edit kmess/notification/balloonbase.cpp
[10:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah, gotcha...
[10:06] <crimsun> the change is just one line
[10:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you want to do it?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> seeing as it was his to begin with
[10:06] <imbrandon> sure, dosent matter, yea i got it open
[10:06] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: You have just changed the upstream source tarball, you'd provide a patch for that
[10:07] <imbrandon> huh?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: for kmess, you mean?
[10:07] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: no, for avahi-utils
[10:07] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: ok send my patch to upstream tooo ?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:08] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: no,  change anything for upstream source tarball shall provide a patch
[10:08] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: that's debian's policy
[10:09] <imbrandon> ok i'm missing something ....... *confused* 
[10:09] <Hobbsee> how does one go about implementing a patch with cdbs?  ie, how do you make one?
[10:10] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: i just apt-get source and changed it then debdiffed it, sent you the debdiff ...... so i need to send the debdiff upstream also ? ( i'm not familiar with debian policy )
[10:10] <Hobbsee> woohoo!  it's c++  Stuff i can more or less understand!
[10:10] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: no, this patch is for debian's package
[10:12] <imbrandon> umm i got it from ubuntu repos 0ubuntu2/3
[10:12] <imbrandon> i guess i'm not seeing where debian comes in ....
[10:12] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: we can only patch the source tarball when we package it ,but can not change it directly
[10:13] <imbrandon> umm ok we packaged it right ( thus the 0ubuntu2/3 at the end )
[10:13] <imbrandon> ?
[10:13] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: there are examples in  debian/patches
[10:14] <imbrandon> ahhh ok i think i get you now, dont change the file directly , make a patch in debain/patches
[10:14] <imbrandon> ?
[10:14] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: y
[10:14] <imbrandon> ahhh ok sorry i wasent understanding, still kinda new to this, ok i'll redo it here in a sec
[10:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun: stupid questoin maybe, but how do you actually *create* a patch?
[10:16] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[10:16] <imbrandon> with "patch" ?
[10:16] <imbrandon> heh
[10:17] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: sorry for my silly English, I can not sxpress it clearly to you 
[10:20] <imbrandon> ahh thats ok, i have a hard time understanding good english half the time ;)
[10:20] <imbrandon> building kmess now, will rebuild that when this is done
[10:20] <imbrandon> brb mt dew time
[10:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, not with patch, it seems...
[10:22] <imbrandon> ahh ok, was just a guess
[10:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:22] <Hobbsee> patch applies the patches
[10:22] <imbrandon> debdiff / diff ?
[10:23] <OdyX> Hobbsee: and "man patch" ?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> OdyX: didnt show much that i understood
[10:23] <OdyX> Hobbsee: arf...
[10:23] <imbrandon> looks like diff Hobbsee
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm..
[10:38] <OdyX> Could someone with rights on specs note that https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-language-selector as superseeded ?
[10:41] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: ok got it changed, should i use diff or dpatch to make the patch .....
[10:41] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: up to you 
[10:42] <imbrandon> btw Hobbsee the kmess builds now fine ..... here is the diff http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/kmess.debdiff
[10:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah, so you can do it that way - great :D
[10:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: better poke siretart or someone
[10:44] <OdyX> Does any Launchpad specialist know how you get the rights about specs ?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> OdyX: i dont, soryr..
[10:44] <imbrandon> not i
[10:45] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. thanks anyway
[10:45] <Hobbsee> OdyX: does it acutally have the language selector?
[10:45] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure...
[10:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, that dh_iconcache fix looks to have worked, too
[10:46] <imbrandon> heh
[10:47] <Hobbsee> according to postinst
[10:49] <imbrandon> yea i looked when i was done to make sure
[10:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:52] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: i'm having a bit of trubble figuring out how exactly to make the patch ( i tried diff like i'm used to normals but it dosent output the same as the other patches so i dont think its working right. on the other hand the main guide says use dpatch and that dosent look like the same output either as the other patches  .... any insight ? )
[10:53] <Hobbsee> OdyX: ask that on #launchpad 
[10:54] <imbrandon> diff avahi-python/avahi-discover.desktop.in avahi-python/avahi-discover.desktop.in.orig > debian/patches/03_dupe_menu.patch   . thats what i did the first time, but again it didten output the same as the others
[10:54] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I used to get a diff, and write it manually into a dpatch
[10:54] <seaLne> diff -urN i think?
[10:54] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: diff -ruN orig  new > 
[10:54] <imbrandon> kk
[10:55] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure
[10:55] <imbrandon> ahhh looks MUCH better thanks
[10:55] <imbrandon> building now
[10:56] <imbrandon> it should apply all the patches in the debain/patch dir on build right becouse debian/rules includes include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[10:56] <imbrandon> correct ?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i believe so
[10:57] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: it do
[10:58] <imbrandon> kk building now, will have a diff in a few
[11:00] <imbrandon> btw thanks for putting up with a newbie freeflying|away 
[11:00] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: nope, anyway, me too
[11:01] <Hobbsee> i think we all are :P
[11:02] <OdyX> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-katapult <- Don't you find katapult kool ?
[11:03] <OdyX> Riddell: this is superseeded for me ^^
[11:04] <seaLne> some of these specs seem stupid
[11:05] <OdyX> seaLne: yeah... sure.
[11:05] <OdyX> seaLne: I'm going through some... I just can't modify...
[11:05] <Hobbsee> OdyX: i expect that they'll go thru these in paris
[11:05] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure
[11:07] <seaLne> anyone know what does "ber" translate in english as?
[11:09] <seaLne> not sure if tat showed up properly its uber with dots above the u, i'm not convinced that it is german for "stuff"
[11:09] <Hobbsee> seaLne: awesome, or something?  it's not a real word
[11:10] <seaLne> yeah thats what it means to me
[11:10] <imbrandon> seaLne: "cool" or "awesome"
[11:11] <seaLne> but definitly not similar to "stuff"
[11:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:11] <seaLne> as in "ubuntu stuff"
[11:12] <OculusAquilae> seaLne: or about
[11:12] <seaLne> hmm ok, that sounds similar ish
[11:12] <seaLne> OculusAquilae: are you german?
[11:12] <OculusAquilae> yes
[11:13] <seaLne> what wuld you say was the equivelant of stuff?  also what does Dinge mean?
[11:14] <imbrandon> dinge is "dirty"
[11:14] <OculusAquilae> "Dinge" is things
[11:15] <seaLne> OculusAquilae: thanks
[11:15] <OculusAquilae> what about the context? "dinge" is mostly a bad word :)
[11:15] <OculusAquilae> it says nothing :)
[11:15] <seaLne> Persnliche Dinge
[11:16] <OculusAquilae> hm
[11:16] <OculusAquilae> ok, there it could be ok
[11:40] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/39658
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39658 in kubuntu-meta "[dist-upgrader]  dist-upgrade wants to delete almost kde packages while migrating from breezy to dapper" [Major,Confirmed]  
[11:40] <seaLne> breezy upgrade fails :( 
[11:40] <OdyX> seaLne: shite...
[11:40] <OdyX> seaLne: for all ?
[11:41] <OdyX> seaLne: hplip is still a problem
[11:42] <seaLne> so it uninstalls kubuntu-desktop and also seems to have a problem with login
[11:48] <Firetech> hmm, I can't get QPainter to paint anything with Qt4 in kubuntu :/ The same code works fine on Windows (I also tried a simple code just to draw a square in an empty window, but nothing appeared)
[11:51] <isaac> Riddell: around? 
[11:52] <raphink> hi isaac
[11:52] <Riddell> isaac: hi
[11:52] <raphink> hi Riddell
[11:52] <isaac> hi raphink 
[11:52] <isaac> uhm
[11:53] <isaac> we would like to switch koffice 
[11:53] <isaac> to build against graphicsmagick
[11:53] <isaac> instead of imagemagick
[11:53] <marseillai> seaLne: i've got a same with an upgrade i did with vnc .... apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in a tty solve de problem ...
[11:53] <isaac> but to get that graphicsmagick should be available in all the "major" distros
[11:53] <isaac> and AFAIK it's only available in debian now
[11:54] <isaac> any chance to get it uploaded to ubuntu? :)
[11:54] <raphink> isaac: then we can sync it in edgy
[11:54] <Riddell> interesting, I've never heard of graphicsmagick
[11:54] <Riddell> isaac: what's the advantage over imagemajick?
[11:54] <isaac> stable API and ABI
[11:54] <isaac> imagemagick causes headaches
[11:55] <isaac> which each ABI and API change, both to debian release dudes
[11:55] <isaac> and koffice developers
[11:55] <Riddell> and it's a dropin replacement to compile against for the moment?
[11:55] <isaac> no
[11:55] <isaac> but koffice developers are willing to change the code
[11:55] <isaac> or whatever is needed
[11:55] <isaac> to use graphicsmagick
[11:55] <isaac> once it's available in debian, kubuntu, suse, ...
[11:56] <Riddell> shouldn't be a problem to include the package in edgy next month
[11:56] <raphink> isaac: it being available in kubuntu shouldn't be too hard. It just has to be sync from Debian in the beginning of Edgy dev 
[11:56] <isaac> ok :)
[11:57] <Riddell> I suspect it'll be questioned when moving it to main about duplication with imagemagick
[11:57] <Riddell> but if the package requires it then that's what'll have to happen
[11:57] <raphink> yes
[11:57] <raphink> quite a lot of other programs will still depend on imagemagick though
[11:58] <isaac> well, it would be really nice to have graphicsmagick available
[11:58] <isaac> so app developers can switch to it
[11:58] <raphink> but maybe having graphicsmagick available in most distros will encourage other devs to switch to it
[11:58] <Riddell> isaac: I'm being asked if anyone from debian plans to upload icecream/icecc
[11:58] <isaac> they're eager to do it, but stopped by the fact that's not shipped in some distros
[11:58] <isaac> Riddell: uhm, no idea :(
[11:59] <Riddell> isaac: the package is there, maybe I could convince you to sponsor uploading it for me next month sometime
[11:59] <isaac> Riddell: ok 
[12:00] <isaac> well, this graphicsmagick thing is the kind of thing that doesn't happen if it's not somehow coordinated
[12:00] <isaac> packagers don't include it because it's not used
[12:00] <isaac> developers don't use if because it's not packaged ... :)
[12:00] <toma> (the ubuntu icecream packages work great on a debian system)
[12:02] <Riddell> developers shouldn't not use something because it's not packaged, if a program needs it people will package it unless there's some obvious problem with it
[12:02] <isaac> I'm quoting you at #koffice :p
[12:02] <Riddell> :)
[12:12] <sebas> Did I miss something?
[12:12] <sebas> Ubuntu icecream packages?
[12:12] <sebas> *Where*?
[12:15] <OdyX> sebas apt-get install icecream && icecram &>/dev/mouth.
[12:15] <imbrandon> lol
[12:16] <isaac> raphink: I met David Glassey at DebConf
[12:16] <raphink> isaac: Daniel I guess
[12:16] <isaac> yeah, that:P
[12:16] <isaac> damn
[12:16] <raphink> hehe
[12:16] <isaac> too many names
[12:16] <raphink> yes I guess :)
[12:16] <isaac> in too few days :P
[12:17] <raphink> how was it ?
[12:17] <isaac> it was quite nice
[12:17] <raphink> :)
[12:17] <isaac> although I couldn't get much work done
[12:17] <raphink> :(
[12:17] <raphink> tell me about that :(
[12:18] <Riddell> sebas: it's icecc
[12:19] <seaLne> ooh the latest live cd works on a t60 wonder what changed 
[12:19] <seaLne> previously X didn't work
[12:22] <sebas> it uses the vesa driver?
[12:22] <sebas> The x1300 is not yet supported by ATi drivers
[12:22] <sebas> x1xx even
[12:22] <sebas> Eeh, ati / radeon oss driver/
[12:22] <sebas> The binary one supports it.
[12:23] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, thx.
[12:23] <sebas> Installed it on two machines from source :/
[12:25] <OdyX> Riddell: Add/Remove Programs in english here. It has been in fr_FR once...
[12:25] <Riddell> OdyX: is adept.mo installed?
[12:25] <OdyX> Riddell: seems to...
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell and sebas 
[12:26] <OdyX> Riddell: adept is "mostly" in fr_FR, not totaly
[12:27] <sebas> Are those icecc packages new?
[12:28] <mornfall> icecc packages?
[12:28] <sebas> Yes.
[12:29] <sebas> Or they're in {uni|multi}verse and I didn't have those enabled.
[12:29] <Riddell> they only recently passed NEW
[12:32] <seaLne> sebas: yeah but previously the live cd didn't try to use vesa for it and i had to select the safe or whatever its called option
[12:33] <sebas> seaLne: Yes, that's what I tried to imply
[12:33] <sebas> I've got a T60, too.
[12:34] <seaLne> sebas: asides from the graphics card kubuntu detects everything fine on it unfortunatly at work our default is sarge and it isn't playing very well for me so far
[12:34] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sorry, was in a meeting. Yes, use diff to create something applicable with patch.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right..
[12:35] <sebas> seaLne: Ah.
[12:36] <seaLne> the upside is that the frustration has driven me to kubuntu bug triage :)
[12:50] <marseillai> kat's developper are looking for tester, may be create test package for kat would help ton include a stable and functionnal release of kat in edgy ....
[12:50] <OdyX> marseillai: please do.
[01:23] <vinboy> marseillai: what is kat?
[01:24] <marseillai> a kde-beagle more efficient if it works .... but it has many problems
[01:25] <vinboy> any webpage?
[01:25] <vinboy> i gonna get some info
[01:25] <vinboy> i'd love to test it if it is interesting
[01:26] <marseillai> http://kat.mandriva.com/
[01:26] <marseillai> or #kat
[01:27] <vinboy> thx
[01:42] <Riddell> testing of desktop 20060525 and alternate 20060525.1 welcome
[01:42] <vinboy> ??
[01:43] <vinboy> sorry?
[01:43] <freeflying|away> Riddell: is altenative the install cd?
[01:44] <Riddell> altenative is text installer
[01:44] <Riddell> desktop is live CD and live installer
[01:44] <vinboy> Riddell: is the RC out yet?
[01:44] <Riddell> vinboy: no, that's why I'm asking for help testing
[01:46] <vinboy> ic
[01:46] <vinboy> i wish i can help, but my connection is too slow
[01:47] <Riddell> yeah, .nz is like that
[01:48] <vinboy> do u know if RC will be released soon today?
[01:49] <vinboy> :D
[01:49] <Hobbsee> vinboy: that's precisely why they need the damned testers - to see if the daily cd works or not - if it does, it will become the RC, if not, then it wont!  
[01:49] <Hobbsee> and all the questioning in the world wont stop that from happening.
[01:49] <vinboy> ic
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we happen to have koffice1.5 debs out somewhere?  you've got a repo on kubuntu.org or something?
[01:51] <OdyX> Hobbsee: c.f. kubuntu.org
[01:51] <OdyX> Hobbsee: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-1.5 dapper main ?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> OdyX: hmmm... deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-151 dapper main
[01:52] <OdyX> welll. Was /dev/memory/brain > /dev/hands > sss:laptop:/dev/keyboard
[01:52] <OdyX> sorry then
[01:52] <OdyX> I was not far.
[01:53] <OdyX> s/sss/ssh
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe it's okay
[01:53] <OdyX> sure
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: @kubuntu.org emails work nicely, btw
[01:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: we have @kubuntu.org
[01:59] <freeflying|away> s mail 
[01:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: we have @kubuntu.org's mail?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: yep.  see the topic
[02:00] <vinboy> how do I get a kubuntu.org email?
[02:00] <freeflying|away> vinboy: you'd be a member of kubuntu
[02:00] <vinboy> ic
[02:00] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: do you know how to do like that?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: it redirects to the account specified in your launchpad account
[02:02] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee|Coding: how can it be redirect to our mail?
[02:04] <Hobbsee|Coding> freeflying|away: i dont know the logistics of it - but mine gets directed to hobbseeATgmail.com, as that's my primary launchpad email
[02:04] <Hobbsee|Coding> well, it was
[02:05] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee|Coding: okey thx
[02:10] <toma> Hobbsee|Coding: I'm finishing my wiki page, how do i prevent TwoCapitalWords from becoming a link?
[02:10] <Hobbsee|Coding> toma: no idea, sorry...
[02:10] <toma> haha
[02:10] <toma> ok
[02:13] <OdyX> toma: try to insert &shy; between your words...
[02:13] <OdyX> toma: HTML char for word-separation
[02:14] <toma> ? It is one word with two capitals..
[02:14] <OdyX> yeah,,, Try Word&shy;Capitalised
[02:15] <toma> does not work
[02:15] <OdyX> well. good try though
[02:15] <OdyX> :P
[02:15] <toma> hehe
[02:18] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee|Coding: bother u again, how can mail all members in a team on launchpad?thx
[02:18] <OdyX> freeflying|away: I don't think it's possible without ML..
[02:19] <OdyX> freeflying|away; for spam preventing, obvisously.... imagine I could mail all fr translators...
[02:19] <freeflying|away> OdyX: but most of them haven't subscirbed to our ml
[02:19] <OdyX> freeflying|away: then... dunno
[03:04] <Riddell> toma: put '' in the middle of it or there's some other way
[03:04] <Riddell> moin is crazy like that
[03:04] <Hobbsee> !
[03:07] <OdyX> Hobbsee: :-) Sure
[03:07] <Hobbsee> OdyX: you can *paste* into it :D
[03:07] <OdyX> Middle-clic ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> that too
[03:08] <Hobbsee> you cant in a standard DOS prompt :(
[03:08] <OdyX> DOS ? Does it still exist ?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> well, cmd.exe
[03:09] <Hobbsee> great for things like net send :P
[03:10] <toma> Riddell: thnxs
[03:35] <jjesse> Riddell: ping 
[03:35] <Riddell> hi jjesse 
[03:36] <jjesse> did you get the missing figures you mentioned ?  can i help you out?
[03:36] <Riddell> the adept and rss ones were missing
[03:36] <Riddell> also the kaffeine one wasn't se as far as I could see in the text I got
[03:37] <jjesse> do you need them sent to you or did deb was?  i can try and find them in a backup
[03:37] <Riddell> debra only seems to have sent me ubiquity ones
[03:37] <jjesse> ok i'll get them out to you
[03:39] <mornfall> does kubuntu have deb-src lines in default install?
[03:43] <Riddell> mornfall: for main yes
[03:43] <Riddell> assuming you had internet during the install
[03:43] <Riddell> universe are there too but commented out
[03:47] <Hobbsee> and multiverse arent there at all :(
[03:50] <Riddell> except for backports strangely enough
[03:54] <Hobbsee> seems dogdy to me - users keep coming in, saying yes, i've got multiverse, when they only have multiverse backports.  odd.
[03:59] <seaLne> Bug #46526 is strange grepping the package for Rodney i don't find that string at all
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46526 in amarok "Amarok description in Add/Remove programs is silly" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46526
[04:04] <seaLne> mornfall: where does adept look for the description it places below the app name?
[04:06] <seaLne> 0mb
[04:07] <mornfall> seaLne: try apt-cache show <package>
[04:07] <seaLne> mornfall: its fine see bug above
[04:07] <mornfall> seaLne: well, why you ask about "adept" when you mean adept installer?
[04:08] <mornfall> seaLne: that one is from the .desktop file
[04:08] <seaLne> sorry
[04:08] <seaLne> thanks
[04:10] <seaLne> doh the amarok package has a tar ball inside it thats why my grep didn't find it, less of a mystery then
[04:13] <Riddell> the amarok.desktop file is stupid, I'll fix it in edgy
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:18] <Riddell> although that means changing all the transations too, I might need to do the translating .desktop files stuff first
[04:35] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:35] <OdyX> howdy bddebian
[04:35] <bddebian> Hello OdyX
[04:36] <bddebian> Hey, where's that testing page?
[04:36] <Riddell> see topic
[04:36] <bddebian> I am.  Am I ohhh. NM :-)
[04:36] <seaLne> Riddell: what about just changing it to something like "Multimedia Player" and steal the translations from another package?
[04:37] <Riddell> seaLne: good plan
[04:39] <seaLne> as amarok is a tbz inside the tgz how would i go about replacing the desktop file?
[04:40] <bddebian> seaLne: Is the desktop inside the tbz or in a debian dir?
[04:41] <seaLne> the tbz
[04:41] <Riddell> seaLne: extract tbz, cp amarok.desktop amarok.desktop-orig; emacs amarok.desktop; diff -u amarok.desktop-orig amarok.desktop > debian/patches/kubuntu_xx_unstupidiy_desktop.diff
[04:41] <seaLne> i don't understand why the tbz wasn't just recompressed?
[04:41] <seaLne> Riddell: ah simple :)
[04:41] <Riddell> I just followed how it was done in debian, some packagers prefer that, it means you know the sources are unmodified
[04:43] <bddebian> Yeah but it's a pain :-)
[04:43] <bddebian> unstupidity_desktop.diff... lol
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[04:44] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:45] <Hobbsee> is it mandatory that a source has .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, and .dsc for the ubuntu repos?
[04:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, packages which are made only for debian or ubunu have a .tar.gz instead of .orig and diff
[04:45] <Riddell> they're called native packages
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:46] <bddebian> Hobbsee: If the package is native I ... Gah Riddell beat me to it
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:46] <Hobbsee> bddebian: learn to type faster :P
[04:46] <bddebian> Yeah, I suck :'-(
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:46] <Riddell> just be like e and don't correct your typos
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <seaLne> mornfall: would it use GenericName instead of Comment in the desktop file if Comment wasn't there?
[04:48] <seaLne> it looks like juk's GenericName is used
[04:49] <bddebian> If Name is there GenericName isn't used I thought
[04:49] <seaLne> amarok has GenericName and Comment, the stupid stuff is in Comment
[04:49] <seaLne> GenericName=Audio Player
[04:49] <bddebian> Comment should be used on MouseOver I thought?
[04:50] <Hobbsee> @#$%!!!  I almost removed my entire /home by accident then!
[04:50] <seaLne> but not every .desktop has a coment so i think just removing Comment from the .desktop files is better than changing it?
[04:52] <toma> Riddell: what is a "kde formatting tool" ?
[04:52] <toma> soc
[04:52] <Riddell> floppy and usb disk formater
[04:52] <Riddell> where did you see that?
[04:52] <toma> kubuntu-devel ml
[04:53] <seaLne> Riddell: thoughts on just removing Comment as it is the problem and not a necessary part of .desktop file?
[04:54] <Riddell> seaLne: go ahead, that's easier than patching the .desktop file each time
[04:54] <seaLne> well that would still need to modify the 2 .desktop files
[04:55] <Riddell> there's 2?
[04:55] <seaLne> konquisidebar not sure what its for
[04:56] <Riddell> oh, that, I wouldn't bother I don't think that shows anywhere
[04:56] <seaLne> what is konquisidebar?
[04:56] <Riddell> press F9 in konqueror to find out
[04:57] <seaLne> oh you can get amarok in it
[04:57] <Riddell> yes
[04:58] <mornfall> seaLne: i believe so, yes
[05:00] <mornfall> when we speak about silly
[05:01] <mornfall> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/ar01s01.html#releasenotes-new <-- this is silly, too
[05:01] <mornfall> "Wahoo a sweet new installer is available for Kubuntu 6.06!!!!"
[05:01] <mornfall> "It is extremly easy to install Kubuntu 6.06."
[05:02] <mornfall> ^^ those are outright ridiculous statements
[05:02] <mornfall> for release notes at least
[05:02] <mornfall> i wouldn't mind in someone's personal blog i guess
[05:02] <seaLne> "kubuntu is so hard to install yu should just give up right now"
[05:02] <jjesse> why do you think that is silly? mornfall?
[05:03] <seaLne> it dosen't give a reason, if it said with the new installer you are asked fewer questions or something like that might be better
[05:03] <jjesse> those statements have been since the beginning of the dapper release stage
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: those are release notes, i assume release notes would be done before release :)
[05:04] <OculusAquilae> but they are not very serious :)
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: either way
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: the latter of those about kubuntu being extremely easy to install is both false and useless
[05:04] <jjesse> mornfall: you believe that installing kubuntu is not easy?
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: yes
[05:05] <mornfall> jjesse: installing OS is always nontrivial, especially if you try to do it side-by-side
[05:05] <OculusAquilae> easy yes, but what makes it easier than installing for example suse?
[05:05] <mornfall> jjesse: backing up existing data is nontrivial already, so :)
[05:05] <jjesse> mornfall: can you explain whY?  i have never had any issue installing kubuntu especially side by side
[05:05] <seaLne> i think the statement would be improved if it was qualified
[05:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: for new users, tryign to dual boot, it's still complicated, and a pain
[05:06] <mornfall> Hobbsee: don't say that, even if it was "easy", that's a looong shot from "extremely easy"
[05:06] <jjesse> before i started using k/ubuntu i used suse and it was harder to install especially in a dual boot scenario
[05:06] <mornfall> even TV is not "extremely easy" to install
[05:06] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and this comes from someone who managed to format her hard drive, trying to install kubuntu in hoary :P
[05:06] <mornfall> extremely easy is something a five year old can do without further explanations
[05:06] <mornfall> without breaking things
[05:06] <jjesse> i can change the notes, i just thought it was easy to do compared to other distrobutions i have tried and installed
[05:07] <jjesse> though i don't know if i5t can be changed due to the stage of the ballgame
[05:07] <mornfall> jjesse: "easy to install" is a regular overstatement you can do
[05:07] <Riddell> nah, it's too late to change 
[05:07] <mornfall> okey, no matter then
[05:07] <mornfall> definitely fix it for edgy
[05:08] <mornfall> if you don't want to be a target of ridicule
[05:08] <jjesse> can i ask why this is being addressed now for the first time?
[05:08] <mornfall> the exclamation marks are, umm... umm!
[05:08] <jjesse> as they have been there since flight 1?
[05:08] <mornfall> probably noone cared so far
[05:08] <mornfall> i just stumbled upon a link
[05:08] <mornfall> and read it
[05:08] <mornfall> and thought, ow my
[05:09] <mornfall> ah, it's because someone mentioned release, something and adept guides are linked from doc.ubuntu.com sidebar
[05:09] <mornfall> so i got highlighted on adept
[05:09] <mornfall> btw the adept manual there is sort of useless as well, written for 1.0 and not even complete on that version
[05:09] <jjesse> ah
[05:10] <jjesse> yes i know it is useless 
[05:10] <mornfall> it would help if someone was employed on the documentation for kubuntu
[05:10] <mornfall> ubuntu have paid writers, no/
[05:10] <mornfall> ?
[05:11] <jjesse> no
[05:11] <jjesse> not that i am aware of, the ubuntu writers (ubuntu-doc team) covers both kubuntu and ubuntu
[05:11] <mornfall> all of ubuntu-doc is volunteer?
[05:11] <jjesse> however prior to dapper there was no one else writing kubuntu docs besides myself
[05:11] <jjesse> all is volunteer
[05:11] <Riddell> only the writers of the official ubuntu book are paid 
[05:12] <mornfall> oh well
[05:12] <jjesse> and not all the writers of the official ubuntu are members of the doc-team
[05:13] <mornfall> i would have hoped canonical hires some people, since good documentation is so sorely needed
[05:13] <vinboy> r they making any money out of ubuntu yet?
[05:13] <mornfall> there is only so much volunteers can do
[05:13] <mornfall> vinboy: don't think, it was never supposed to make any?
[05:13] <vinboy> ic
[05:14] <vinboy> but at least to cover the developers' cost
[05:14] <jjesse> mornfall: agreed but the people that do the docs put in a lot of time to get the docs good and for dapper the documentation is better then any release so far
[05:14] <Riddell> certainly is, jjesse and robotgeek rule
[05:15] <mornfall> Riddell: they would rule more if they had more time for it (eg. being part-time paid by canonical for the work)
[05:15] <jjesse> Riddell: btw i'm starting to compile some thoughts for edgy located at KubuntuDocs/Edgy
[05:16] <mornfall> i definitely think that the doc team is undermanned
[05:17] <bddebian> mornfall: Great idea.  So why don't you get out there and recruit some for us? :-)
[05:17] <jjesse> agreed bddebian
[05:17] <mornfall> bddebian: i'm a poor student, myself working for wage... i can't hire anyone
[05:18] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, not everyone can be paid.
[05:18] <bddebian> Did I say hire?  I don't get paid for my MOTU work.
[05:18] <jjesse> mornfall: he didn't suggest you would pay for it
[05:18] <mornfall> i must have misunderstood then
[05:19] <OculusAquilae> perhaps we (kubuntu.de) could encourage some people to help
[05:19] <OculusAquilae> I'll suggest that :)
[05:19] <seaLne> Riddell: http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/amarok/
[05:19] <mornfall> Riddell: is canonical not approving documentation bounties?
[05:20] <jjesse> OculusAquilae: we would love more help in the doc team especially in the kubuntu side
[05:20] <mornfall> well, get me another 4-6 hours a day and i will help
[05:20] <Riddell> mornfall: not as far as I know, although there's very few bounties that actually get finished in general
[05:21] <mornfall> Riddell: tell me about it :-)
[05:21] <jjesse> heck if there wer bounties for doc id do them :)
[05:21] <mornfall> jjesse: try arranging some
[05:21] <OculusAquilae> jjesse: I'll mention the doc-team highlighted :)
[05:22] <mornfall> jjesse: for edgy
[05:23] <mornfall> umm, i'll have to book tickets for paris
[05:23] <jjesse> OculusAquilae: thanks it will be appreciated
[05:23] <mornfall> grmble
[05:23] <Hobbsee> mornfall: after just getting home again?  nasty
[05:23] <seaLne> better than walking
[05:23] <mornfall> well, yes
[05:24] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, i have exam tomorrow... you can imagine how much i'm motivated to study :p
[05:24] <mornfall> another one on monday
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mornfall: haha
[05:24] <seaLne> yeah not good of them scheduling exams near a release :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> study?  what's that strange thing you speak of?
[05:24] <mornfall> then 6th and 12th
[05:24] <Hobbsee> seaLne: try them scheduling exams thru the spec stuff...
[05:24] <Riddell> people with extream bandwidth: new DVDs are up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20060525/
[05:25] <mornfall> Hobbsee: school interference?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> mornfall: right in uni exams
[05:26] <Hobbsee> s/in/in the middle of
[05:26] <mornfall> i have scheduled exams early on
[05:26] <seaLne> squid really dosen't like that dvd iso
[05:26] <mornfall> hope i don't have to repeat any
[05:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:27] <mornfall> and, umm, i only have 4 exams this term
[05:27] <mornfall> compared to 7 last one
[05:28] <mornfall> --> food
[05:28] <mornfall> bbiab :-)
[05:28] <vinboy> hmm exams
[05:28] <vinboy> my last exam was end of last year
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...kopete just crashed on me :(
[05:35] <seaLne> or as Riddell is probably busy with more important stuff anyone else that can upload fancy looking at http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/amarok/ to fix 46526?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> amarok's in main, i expect
[05:35] <bddebian> Yep :-( I can't touch it
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bddebian: so when do you go for core dev?
[05:36] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I put my name on the list but I was considering withdrawing it
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:37] <seaLne> nn
[06:08] <Riddell> seaLne: it's probably too late for that in dapper,but it'll be first in the queue for edgy
[06:08] <seaLne> bah :)
[06:09] <seaLne> dosen't seem a major change
[06:09] <Riddell> it's not a major problem
[06:10] <OdyX> Riddell: what's your todo for Dapper ?
[06:10] <OdyX> Riddell: what are the last critical bugs ?
[06:11] <Riddell> adept 2.0, guidance init script change, turn off media notifier in ubiquity, fix going Back to qtparted in ubiquity, match language packs to CD size
[06:12] <Riddell> making usplash_down more reliable would be nice but I doubt that'll happen
[06:17] <mornfall> adept 2.0, i will try to have that ready tonight
[06:17] <Riddell> cool
[06:21] <OdyX> adept 2.0 ?
[06:21] <OdyX> 1.92 for now..
[06:22] <Riddell> we're going to splash out and jump by 0.08
[06:25] <OdyX> fine
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> 2.0 sounds a lot better than 1.92 :)
[06:26] <mornfall> well, i think the only missing bit is fixing about dialogs
[06:26] <mornfall> i make a tarball for isaac and then for Riddell 
[06:26] <OdyX> Riddell: and you don't plan to solve impossibility to add HP printers ?
[06:26] <Riddell> OdyX: I can add my HP printer ok
[06:26] <OdyX> Riddell: I can't...
[06:26] <OculusAquilae> OdyX: i can add my HP printer too
[06:27] <OdyX> well.. I'll give it a try... :D
[06:27] <OculusAquilae> better I could at the beginning of this week
[06:27] <MidMark> Riddell: italian kde language isn't included in daily 25/5 cd?
[06:28] <OdyX> OculusAquilae: is there something I should "purge" before trying ?
[06:28] <OculusAquilae> here it ran after a simple update I think
[06:28] <OdyX> ok. 
[06:30] <Riddell> MidMark: no, I removed a bunch to make everything fit, I'll add them back as much as possible for the final one
[06:31] <MidMark> ok that is normal that it is in english :)
[06:32] <MidMark> on dvd there are all languages isn't?
[06:32] <OdyX> Riddell: sorry.. I still can't install my printer...
[06:33] <OdyX> Riddell: "Impossible to create Foomatic pilot (...)". I'll try with new user.
[06:35] <Riddell> seaLne: sssh
[06:35] <MidMark> and is it normal that in manual partitioner with ubiquity disable keyboard at all?
[06:36] <Riddell> MidMark: I think the embedding doesn't handle it properly
[06:36] <Riddell> seaLne: what are you testing?
[06:36] <seaLne> "critical error during ped_disk_new" when selecting manual partitioning
[06:36] <seaLne> Riddell: dvd
[06:36] <Riddell> erk, it crashed?
[06:37] <seaLne> got that twice and then a sort of hung prepare partitions
[06:37] <seaLne> let me reboot and try again
[06:37] <Riddell> seaLne: error in qtparted or ubiquity?
[06:38] <seaLne> qtparted i think
[06:38] <Riddell> anything unusual about your hardware?
[06:39] <seaLne> not really PIII 512Mb nv graphics card 6.4Gb disk
[06:39] <seaLne> its my normal dev machine tho the hard disks change
[06:42] <bddebian> Is it worth testing an install on this Dell Latitude laptop?
[06:46] <seaLne> Riddell: got it again http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/snapshot1.png
[06:46] <Riddell> that's not good
[06:46] <Riddell> IDE disk?
[06:46] <seaLne> trying a different hard disk just incase, i have a pile that i switch between
[06:46] <seaLne> yep
[06:47] <Riddell> very strange
[06:47] <Riddell> you don't have LVM or something on that disk do you?
[06:47] <seaLne> no
[06:47] <Riddell> or RAID
[06:48] <seaLne> nope, it just had a breezy install on it i think
[06:53] <seaLne> Riddell: no problems with this hard disk, wonder what it didn't like about the previous, current disk had lvm on it aswell and it seems fine with that so far
[06:54] <bddebian> OK, I have the Ubuntu desktop.  Now what? :-)
[06:55] <crimsun> ?
[06:55] <bddebian> I just booted my desktop CD :-)
[06:55] <crimsun> enocontext
[06:55] <Riddell> bddebian: live or installed?
[06:56] <seaLne> oops spoke too soon: http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/snapshot2.png
[06:56] <seaLne> nothing mounted
[06:56] <Riddell> seaLne: any swaps on?
[06:57] <bddebian> Riddell: Dunno.  I'm a little confused.  I selected Start or INstall Ubuntu :-)
[06:57] <Riddell> bddebian: well are you running off the CD or off your hard disk?
[06:57] <seaLne> Riddell: nope
[06:57] <bddebian> Riddell: CD 
[06:57] <Riddell> bddebian: then try an install
[06:58] <bddebian> I am :)
[06:58] <Riddell> seaLne: /proc/swaps is empty?
[06:58] <bddebian> Sorry I'm being a smart-alec.  I'll shut up now
[06:58] <seaLne> Riddell: yep
[06:58] <Riddell> seaLne: try editing with standalone qtparted, see if it's still broken
[06:59] <seaLne> Riddell: unfortunatly can't just now, late already for meeting some friends, i'll look tommorow morning
[06:59] <mornfall> Riddell: http://lorien.mornfall.net:8012/m/adept/kubuntu/ept_2.0.tar.gz
[06:59] <bddebian> So we don't get an option to install kubuntu?  It's still a matter of installing Ubuntu then install kubuntu-desktop?
[07:01] <mornfall> and i'm switching to incremental development model for adept now :-)
[07:02] <Riddell> bddebian: if you have an ubuntu CD yes
[07:02] <Riddell> use a kubuntu CD if you want kubuntu
[07:02] <Riddell> mornfall: thanks
[07:02] <OdyX> Riddell: I still confirm bug 42965. sudo foomatic-cleanupdrivers is missing somewhere...
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42965 in kdeprint "Can't add a printer in KDE: parser error?" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42965
[07:03] <Riddell> OdyX: added to TODO list
[07:03] <OdyX> Riddell: fine. Thanks.
[07:11] <bddebian> I didn't see a kubuntu CD?
[07:11] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[07:11] <bddebian> Gah, damnit
[07:18] <MidMark> riddell don't want to push it, want to know only if Bug #45398 will be fixed for final release or not. It isn't important, just can confuse people
[07:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45398 in qtparted "with a non-empty fat32 hard disk, after delete the partition it still says that it's non-empty" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45398
[07:21] <Riddell> MidMark: I will be looking at qtparted but I suspect I won't get round to that
[07:23] <MidMark> do you think it isn't qtparted?
[07:29] <Riddell> oh it is qtparted
[07:35] <yuriy> mornfall: (looking at bug #44202) isn't the point of having the deb-src lines in sources.list commented out so that adept/apt-get/aptitude don't check the source repos?
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44202 in ept "Adept wastes bandwidth" [Wishlist,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44202
[07:35] <yuriy> i realize you want to be consistent with apt-get, but shouldn't apt-get not check those as well (it does.)
[07:36] <mornfall> umm
[07:36] <mornfall> let me repeat
[07:36] <mornfall> I DON'T CARE
[07:37] <claydoh> lol
[07:38] <mornfall> someone tell me that tens of thousands of users download deb-src index every day
[07:38] <mornfall> from every mirror
[07:39] <mornfall> it's not like it changes all the time in the stable distribution
[07:39] <mornfall> and if it doesn't change, it's not downloaded
[07:39] <mornfall> OH MY
[07:39] <mornfall> it's fscking 300 kilobytes for dapper
[07:40] <mornfall> that's not a bugreport that's an insult
[07:46] <yuriy> mornfall: my bad, i had one of them not commented, so adept/apt-get/aptitude do do it correctly.  and i'll be POLITE and tell the user to make sure they are commented out/disabled in adept
[07:46] <yuriy> the bug report was written poorly, but IMHO if it was indeed using sources.list incorrectly that would certainly be a bug.
[07:47] <mornfall> it's using sources.list correctly
[07:48] <yuriy> yup :)
[07:48] <mornfall> if the reporter doesn't have enough respect to me to do some research or file useful reports and not overinflate severity, i don't feel obliged to respect him either
[07:49] <marseillai> mornfall: if i report you something about adept? will you hurt me ?
[07:49] <marseillai> :)
[07:49] <mornfall> marseillai: maybe :-)
[07:49] <marseillai> lol
[07:49] <mornfall> marseillai: i only screw people as much as they screw up their reports
[07:50] <marseillai> mornfall: when using adept i got this messages before every dpkg-action : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/737494 don't know if it's a bug or not
[07:50] <marseillai> so i prefer ask you if i have to report or no?
[07:50] <mornfall> marseillai: unfortunately, i  hit that as well and have no idea what to do about it :\
[07:50] <marseillai> oki
[07:51] <mornfall> it's a problem if you would want to use x-based debconf frontend
[07:51] <marseillai> i had the same thing with my debian sid! i made a mistake when upgrade dpkg and it did that ....
[07:51] <mornfall> apparently, it only breaks for some people
[07:51] <Riddell> looks like debconf is trying to use the kde frontend
[07:51] <mornfall> Riddell: which is fine, but it should be allowed to connect...
[07:51] <mornfall> unless kdesu screws something up
[07:51] <Riddell> more than likely
[07:52] <marseillai> mornfall: it does it on a breezy upgrade and a DF6 install ...
[07:52] <mornfall> marseillai: i suppose it doesn't happen *everywhere* since i have seen a screenshot of kdebconf running from adept
[07:52] <mornfall> i would have to dissect kdesu i suppose
[07:53] <marseillai> oki
[07:53] <marseillai> so you know the problem! I don't have to report ?
[07:54] <mornfall> whatever you prefer
[07:54] <mornfall> if you report, it's less likely it is forgotten
[07:54] <bddebian> Damnit, now I have to download a kubuntu CD
[07:54] <mornfall> on the other hand, i suppose it's kdesu problem
[07:55] <mornfall> so it should be filed with kdesu
[07:55] <mornfall> and there, i won't notice it
[07:55] <mornfall> you could file against kdesu and assign to me
[08:01] <marseillai> Riddell: where is located moc 4.0 in kubuntu ????
[08:01] <marseillai> I only find  this one Qt Meta Object Compiler version 26 (Qt 3.3.6)
[08:38] <marseillai> Riddell: for edgy is it possible to dream about a kubuntu-live-dvd with ubiquity, every langage pack, aibility to dist-upgrade if there is an active connection, aibility to choose package to install, configure repository to enable (universe/multiverse/restricted/plf), ask installation for restricted format, ask installation and configuration for graphic card (aka ati and nvidia) ??? ar is it a pure dream ?
[08:47] <Riddell> marseillai: dapper DVD has all language packs and ubiquity on it
[08:48] <marseillai> Riddell: yes but not the features i was talking about ....
[08:48] <Riddell> marseillai: moc is in one of the qt4 packages
[08:48] <marseillai> yes i install it ..
[08:49] <marseillai> all the libqt4 package
[08:49] <marseillai> i'll try to look where it can be
[08:56] <yuriy> what's a good place to start a wiki page and spec? wiki.kubuntu.org/YuriyKozlov/KDEGuidanceWine or just wiki.../KDEGuidanceWine or wiki.../KubuntuSummerOfCode2006/...
[09:12] <marseillai> Riddell: do you know where is locate moc for qt4 ? i only find moc 3.3.6
[09:13] <marseillai> /usr/bin/moc-qt4
[09:13] <marseillai> find
[09:13] <marseillai> :)
[09:14] <pygi> Riddell, would something like Alacarte be useful to Kubuntu?
[09:14] <Riddell> yuriy: top level
[09:14] <Riddell> yuriy: have you registered it in launchpad?
[09:14] <Riddell> pygi: remind me again what that is
[09:15] <pygi> Riddell, menu editor
[09:15] <Riddell> we already have kmenuedit
[09:15] <Riddell> userinterface could do with some improvements of course
[09:15] <yuriy> Riddell: not yet
[09:16] <pygi> hm,ok
[09:25] <yuriy> ooh found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterIntegratedWineSpec
[09:38] <mornfall> Riddell: well, there's at least one thing that can go to edgy as far as adept goes :)
[09:38] <mornfall> Riddell: i'm almost done splitting up the package to -common, -installer, -manager, -notifier and -updater
[09:39] <Riddell> mornfall: good idea
[09:40] <mornfall> well, possibly other things...
[09:40] <mornfall> ah, and i renamed the source package to "adept"
[09:40] <mornfall> it may be that it is ported to new apt-front before edgy
[09:40] <mornfall> and some polish issues can be solved
[09:41] <mornfall> i will kick out all user strings from apt-front as well, so translating adept should be straightforward for 2.1
[09:42] <Riddell> I'm doing a breezy -> dapper update just now, and an estimated time to go would be pretty handy
[09:43] <Riddell> oh and the single mouse button mac users have been complaining about having to right click to enable stuff in Manage Repositories
[09:47] <OdyX> Riddell: that's bad.. Isn't there a keyboard combination
[09:48] <OdyX> ?
[10:07] <claydoh> thelogo is a bit "flat" compared to the new text
[10:07] <claydoh> if that makes any sense
[10:08] <claydoh> love the colors, I dig blues quite a bit :)
[10:51] <marseillai> new kat works fine!!!!!
[10:52] <marseillai> indexer does a great job
[10:52] <marseillai> system is usable during indexation
[10:54] <Riddell> which new?
[10:56] <marseillai> kat is being recoded
[10:56] <marseillai> and i'm currently svn
[10:56] <marseillai> and i can tell it works fine
[10:56] <marseillai> there many work to do
[10:56] <marseillai> but it works fine
[10:56] <marseillai> daemon and search
[10:57] <marseillai> i've ask if it'll be ready for edgy and dev told me he'll try to have at least a beta in two month
[11:02] <nixternal> how come there isn't a kubuntu laptop testing community like there is in ubuntu?
[11:02] <nixternal> wrong channel
[11:02] <nixternal> sorry
[11:02] <OculusAquilae> marseillai: nice
[11:04] <Riddell> nixternal: because canonical never put kubuntu in the laptop testing team's contracts and because nobody has taken the inititive to start one
[11:05] <nixternal> ahhhh...well i have been testing on a couple of laptops thinking there was one ready...i don't know where to post the information
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal: where would you post it for ubuntu?
[11:05] <nixternal> dapper flight 7 that is
[11:05] <nixternal> ubuntu-laptop under the specifications area
[11:05] <OculusAquilae> why not making a new kubuntu laptop testing team 
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal: URL?
[11:05] <nixternal> where they have the laptop testing table
[11:05] <nixternal> one sec...it is on the laptop ;)
[11:06] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[11:07] <nixternal> that is where the info is concerning the testing...the rest is about as confusing as getting microsoft to run my dishwasher w/o crashing
[11:08] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraM2  right
[11:08] <Riddell> question is do we want to put kubuntu on the same page somehow, or on separate pages
[11:09] <nixternal> Riddell: i would go with a seperate page. there is a lot with kubuntu and ubuntu getting thrown together that might be confusing for some
[11:09] <Riddell> yes, although they should have links to each page
[11:10] <nixternal> sure. but i like the blue kubuntu theme a little better ;)
[11:10] <Riddell> nixternal: please put your data on LaptopTestingTeam/MyModelKubuntu and we'll see how it looks
[11:10] <nixternal> it could become usefull with edgy
[11:10] <nixternal> i can do that Riddell
[11:10] <nixternal> no problem
[11:14] <OdyX> Riddell: about http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/newsite/ <- I was doing something very similar though
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[11:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi
[11:16] <apachelogger> heya
[11:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about opening a kubuntu pastebin?
[11:17] <Riddell> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:17] <OdyX> apachelogger: it's easy, and done..
[11:17] <apachelogger> as in _real_ kubuntu pastebin ;-)
[11:18] <OdyX> apachelogger: ah... well...
[11:18] <apachelogger> interated into kubuntu.org etc.
[11:18] <OdyX> apachelogger: what's the interest ? apart of "look" ?
[11:18] <apachelogger> nothing
[11:18] <apachelogger> at least from my point of view
[11:18] <apachelogger> http://paste.bit-freaks.net/
[11:19] <OdyX> Well.. That's fine...
[11:19] <marseillai> 8000 files indexed in less than half an hour! it tooks more than a night to do the same thing with beagle ....
[11:19] <Riddell> marseillai: what's the user interface like?
[11:20] <marseillai> lol
[11:20] <marseillai> for the moment there's no user interface
[11:20] <marseillai> only daemon running in background and a text-box for search content!
[11:20] <marseillai> the next stage is to polish the daemon and do the interface
[11:21] <Riddell> no user interface would be the best thing actually, it should be integrated with konqueror
[11:22] <marseillai> Riddell: it's exactly what he wants
[11:23] <Riddell> perfect :)
[11:23] <marseillai> I tell you what he think about front end :
[11:23] <marseillai> [23:22]  <vandenoever> i'm relying on other people for that
[11:23] <OdyX> Riddell: Just a beginning: http://didier.raboud.com/share/temp/kubuntu.org.png
[11:23] <nixternal`afk> gotta get some work done
[11:23] <marseillai> [23:22]  <vandenoever> i do make it easy for any kde app to access the engine
[11:24] <OdyX> Riddell: do you wan't me to prepare integration of yours in wiki and stuff ?
[11:24] <OdyX> well.. it's done :-(
[11:25] <OdyX> Riddell: I'd make titles a little darker.
[11:26] <Riddell> OdyX: keep that design around, we'll use it for edgy if nothing else
[11:26] <OdyX> Riddell: you won't change the actual with yours ?
[11:26] <OdyX> Riddell: I'll polish it for Edgy then
[11:26] <Riddell> I've no time just now
[11:26] <Riddell> only 4 months to edgy!
[11:26] <Riddell> and a week
[11:28] <OdyX> Sure. So it'll stay "as is" for Dapper ?
[11:28] <OdyX> Well.. I could do integration if you want (and give me access).
[11:30] <Riddell> I can't give access to website, and I have no access to wiki or shipit which are the other two that need updated
[11:32] <OdyX> pfiouh... Ok.
[11:32] <OdyX> Good try though
[11:32] <Riddell> I could put it in a bzr archive so other people can change it and I could sync from them
[11:32] <Riddell> but not today
[11:34] <OdyX> Riddell: well. If you do, ping me...
[12:19] <MrFaber> hi all
[12:20] <MrFaber> Does anyone knows where the display suspend time of system settings is saved because it is always resetted to 30 minutes?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> anybody know who loic2 on the wiki?
[03:39] <Riddell> pef?
[03:39] <Riddell> dunno, where did you find him?
[03:39] <Burgundavia> we is doing odd things on the wiki
[03:40] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[03:41] <Burgundavia> s/we/he
[03:43] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/loic  <-- kubuntu's loic
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[03:44] <Riddell> hi bddebian 
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi Riddell.  Hows things going?
[03:46] <Riddell> release candidate is out
[03:47] <bddebian> Cool
[03:47] <Riddell> I think dapper is going to be a great release
[03:48] <bddebian> Yeah, it looks nice.  Both kubuntu and Ubuntu
[04:30] <imbrandon> yea i totaly agree
[04:30] <imbrandon> morning bddebian Riddell
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh
[04:33] <claydoh> I do want to say you folks are doing an amazing job w/kubuntu 
[04:34] <bddebian> Yes, they are :-)
[04:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: hows your new google soc guy ;)
[04:50] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: hi, how about avahi-utils  :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: thought i gave that to ya, hold on lemme grab the diff
[04:51] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: well 
[04:51] <imbrandon> http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/avahi.debdiff
[04:53] <imbrandon> sorry for being so late, thought i gave you the link before i went to sleep yesterday
[04:59] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I'd upload it soon, thanks
[05:03] <crimsun> freeflying|away: you have main privs?
[05:04] <freeflying|away> crimsun: avahi in universe
[05:04] <Lathiat> avahi is in main
[05:04] <imbrandon> avahi is main i think
[05:04] <Lathiat> trentl@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache showsrc avahi|grep Direct
[05:04] <Lathiat> Directory: pool/main/a/avahi
[05:05] <freeflying|away> silly me
[05:06] <bddebian>  apt-cache madison avahi ;-)
[05:06] <imbrandon> heh
[05:08] <Lathiat> ah yes madison
[05:08] <Lathiat> forgot about that
[05:10] <freeflying|away> avahi-utils is in universe, I'm right  :)
[05:11] <bddebian> But the source is in main ;-)
[05:11] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~$ apt-cache madison avahi-utils
[05:11] <bddebian> avahi-utils | 0.6.10-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[05:11] <bddebian>      avahi | 0.6.10-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[05:11] <imbrandon> ouch
[05:38] <freeflying|away> bddebian: around
[05:38] <bddebian> Yo
[05:39] <freeflying|away> bddebian: seems I can not upload avahi-utils, would you like sponsor my upload?
[05:40] <bddebian> freeflying|away: I can't upload to main :-(  Sorry
[05:42] <freeflying|away> bddebian: heh, avahi-utils in universe,but avahi is in main    
[05:42] <freeflying|away> crimsun: around ?
[05:55] <Lathiat> freeflying|away: yep but main standards still apply
[05:58] <freeflying|away> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/avahi.debdiff
[06:44] <poimen> !seen freeflying
[06:46] <robotgeek> poimen: no ubotu here
[06:46] <poimen> :(
[06:46] <freeflying|away> poimen: hey
[06:46] <poimen> hi
[06:46] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: hi
[06:46] <poimen> can we priv msg?
[06:47] <freeflying|away> poimen: sure
[06:47] <robotgeek> hey freeflying|away 
[06:49] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: long to see you  :)
[06:49] <robotgeek> freeflying|away: yeah, been busy
[09:34] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[10:11] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatellite1735 <-- there she is, completely tested for Kubuntu
[10:11] <nixternal> good night all
[10:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal`zzz: good point, i should do that...
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> hehe
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> i am burnt
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> been testin' that bad boy all night...it took everything i threw at it...i am so happy i ran into kubuntu ;)
[10:13] <nixternal`zzz> i even broke xorg so bad i confused myself...don't try attaching 2 screens to 1 display...doesn't work...hehe
[10:13] <Hobbsee> wonder what it says...
[10:14] <nixternal`zzz> i tried to force desktop extension for a card that will not do it...i was close...but i just couldn't get it
[11:15] <vincentrc> Hi J.Riddel, are you there ? I'd like to talk to you about 2 bugs (release candidate). Is it the correct channel for this ?
[11:19] <freeflying|away> vincentrc: what's wrong with RC
[11:19] <vincentrc> Wait please. coming.
[11:21] <vincentrc> Sorry, I tape very slowly (Lol !) please go on #kubuntu.
[11:22] <seaLne> Riddell: just checked and qtparted gives the error i had ~1800 yesterday with the disk when run on its own
[11:26] <imbrandon> he is speaking of malone bug #40596 ( taken from #kubuntu )
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40596 in kde-systemsettings "(Dapper) Same reaction whatever option choosen in Desktop>Windows behavior>Actions in title bar" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40596
[11:27] <seaLne> anyone getting OptionalError from launchpad every few page loads?
[11:28] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea i thought it was just me
[11:28] <imbrandon> maybe we should report in #launchpad
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: horrible!
[12:59] <Riddell> err?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do you spell my nick???
[12:59] <Riddell> vincentrc: hi
[12:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no idea, I always get confused about which letters are double and which aren't
[12:59] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hobbsee
[12:59] <Riddell> fortunately most of the time I have tab completion
[01:00] <Hobbsee> it's *not* a single b :P
[01:00] <Hobbsee> and your blog is wrong :P
[01:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for shame - most people can remember how to spell yours :P
[01:00] <vincentrc> Hi JR
[01:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: except that before you arrived vincentrc didn't, which is why I didn't respond to him earlier :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmm?
[01:02] <Riddell> nixternal`zzz: lots of nice ticks there
[01:02] <vincentrc> Riddel : What do thing about this ? Can you confirm ? (if you have some time)
[01:03] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:03] <freeflying> Riddell: hey
[01:03] <marseillai> so! after a night of testing : kat daemon and kat searching klient works really fine! it's almost ready for a beta test .... 
[01:03] <marseillai> it kills beagle on much features
[01:04] <freeflying> Riddell: avahi-utils has two entries in menu, shall we fix it?
[01:04] <marseillai> through one in system and one in utilitaires
[01:04] <Riddell> freeflying: it's in universe, go ahead
[01:05] <vincentrc> Riddell : There was something else about the live CD (RC) : you have to do Ctrl + Alt + Backspace in order to the screen resolution modifications take effect. Should I report on launchpad ?
[01:05] <Riddell> although source is in main, but I can upload
[01:05] <Riddell> vincentrc: yes, report under kde-guidance package
[01:05] <freeflying> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/avahi.debdiff
[01:05] <vincentrc> Ok
[01:07] <OculusAquilae> hi
[01:07] <OculusAquilae> is it normal that guidance only works at the second boot here?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hi OculusAquilae 
[01:08] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: nope
[01:08] <Riddell> which module?
[01:08] <OculusAquilae> Display
[01:09] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: could you give some more info about what you are seeing?
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: there was this text saying you that it couldn't be loaded (now its my second boot and it works)
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> the same that comes if you change the code and reinstall it
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> i think
[01:11] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: kde-systemsettings said that it could not load the display module?
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> right
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> right after installation of the RC 
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> from desktop-cd
[01:15] <_Sime> I'll be able to test that in a minute... (just installed the RC)
[01:15] <OculusAquilae> ok
[01:17] <vincentrc> Riddell : Done : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/46734
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46734 in kde-guidance "(Kubuntu Dapper RC, Live CD only) Screen resolution modifications take effect only after Ctrl + Alt + Backspace." [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:21] <vincentrc> Sorry to bother you again with this bug (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/40596), somebody told me it was too late to solve it. Is it true (I had reported it a long time ago) ? Can somebody confirm this bug, or is it only happening on my computer.
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40596 in kde-systemsettings "(Dapper) Same reaction whatever option choosen in Desktop>Windows behavior>Actions in title bar" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[01:26] <seaLne> having kubuntu-desktop removed during breezy upgrade means you miss out on quite a lot of packages
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: the display modules starts up ok.
[01:28] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: hm
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: and the resolution change in fact does not work correctly.
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: I also saw this problem recently when I switched over to a new nvidia card (from ATI).
[01:28] <OculusAquilae> hm
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: it is something to do with X11 and nvidia.
[01:29] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: and the RandR extension.
[01:29] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: wine couldn't change res either.
[01:29] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: I really don't know what we can do about it.
[01:30] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: did the resolution-change work with the module of KDE for Display things?
[01:30] <OculusAquilae> Hobbsee: :) right, it is too hard :)
[01:31] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: don't know. But wine uses the same x extension, and it had trouble too. I also tried the xrandr command.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> got it!!!!
[01:32] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:32] <Hobbsee> nyah to those painful grey things!
[01:32] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: what about the krandr-thing for kicker?
[01:32] <OculusAquilae> it works
[01:32] <_Sime> yeah, it works now, So does guidance and xrandr.
[01:33] <_Sime> i'm using the nvidia driver BTW
[01:34] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: now xrandr works but guidance still doesn't. :-/
[01:35] <_Sime> grrr
[01:35] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: hm, here it works , but it seems that the monitor config of this module don't write the size of the monitor into the xorg.conf, so it can't choose bigger resolutions
[01:36] <OculusAquilae> I choose 1280x1024 but this resolution is not in my xorg.conf and then it isn't possible to select it
[01:37] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: now guidance works too. Everything suddenly works.
[01:37] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: your monitor is probably Plug n Play, and it is not being detected propertly at boot time.
[01:38] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: try selecting a monitor manually in systemsettings.
[01:38] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: and restart X
[01:38] <seaLne> is there a "problems with dapper" wiki page?
[01:40] <seaLne> ah https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[01:40] <seaLne> is linked but dosen't exist
[01:41] <Riddell> linked from where?
[01:41] <seaLne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[01:41] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: ok now it works
[01:42] <OculusAquilae> but its 17" so i switch back to 1024x768 :)
[01:43] <Riddell> seaLne: ah, that's foor final I think, but please do start off that known problems page
[01:44] <seaLne> k
[01:52] <seaLne> is there a wiki way to link to a bug?
[01:52] <Riddell> just URL I tihnk
[02:10] <MrFaber> hi all
[02:10] <freeflying> Riddell: did you get the debdiff of avahi
[02:11] <MrFaber> Is this bug known? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/46739
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46739 in kde-systemsettings "monitor power off time isn't saved" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:11] <Riddell> freeflying: yep, I'll ask to upload it along with a couple others I'm preparing
[02:12] <MrFaber> It happens for a long time but I though that this is a widely known bug.
[02:12] <freeflying> Riddell: thx, we can upload to universe now?
[02:12] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, if other MOTU agree
[02:15] <MrFaber> Can this be fixed until release?
[02:15] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[02:15] <Riddell> MrFaber: report it to kde-guidance and see what _Sime says
[02:16] <MrFaber> at least the power off time, the display bug isn't important
[02:16] <MrFaber> Riddell: in channel kde-guidance?
[02:16] <Riddell> MrFaber: package kde-guidance, not kde-systemsettings
[02:17] <MrFaber> Riddell: ups, sorry
[02:19] <MrFaber> done
[02:20] <Hobbsee> you know, it'd be cool if we could package basic cli help with edgy, too...seems that people need it...
[02:20] <MrFaber> _Sime: you there?
[02:20] <MrFaber> Riddell: btw thx :)
[02:21] <_Sime> MrFaber: hi
[02:21] <MrFaber> _Sime: Do you know this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/46742 ?
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46742 in kde-guidance "monitor power off time isn't saved" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[02:21] <MrFaber> hi _Sime :)
[02:22] <_Sime> MrFaber: yeah I just read it.
[02:23] <_Sime> MrFaber: ok, the first thing you can do is open up a konsole and run systemsettings from there so that you can see any error messages,
[02:23] <MrFaber> _Sime: ok
[02:24] <MrFaber> open /dev/mem: Permission denied
[02:24] <MrFaber> VESA BIOS Extensions not detected.
[02:24] <MrFaber> _Sime: 
[02:25] <MrFaber> _Sime: When I change it this is posted. BTW it looks like changed setting but if I restart X it is resetted to 30 minutes.
[02:28] <_Sime> MrFaber: what gets posted?
[02:29] <MrFaber> _Sime: ok, I paste the whole output in pastebin
[02:29] <MrFaber> one second
[02:29] <MrFaber> _Sime: http://pastebin.ca/59015
[02:30] <MrFaber> _Sime: its changes the time but only for session
[02:31] <_Sime> MrFaber: that looks normal to me.
[02:31] <MrFaber> _Sime: hm, and it overwrites laptop mode setting. Where is the power off time saved?
[02:39] <MrFaber> _Sime: please post where the setting is saved so I can change it with a script on every start
[02:39] <MrFaber> _Sime: thx for checking - bbl
[02:43] <_Sime> MrFaber: the setting is set with xset. I'm not sure who or what actually saves it between logins.
[02:43] <_Sime> MrFaber: I'll do a test here.
[02:45] <_Sime> MrFaber: the setting is being automatically saved after log out for me.
[02:46] <_Sime> MrFaber: what are laptop-mode settings?
[02:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, or Hobbsee, any idea why i would not get any printers on my printer list ( see screenshot http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/printer.png )
[02:58] <imbrandon> upto date dapper , just made sure everyting is updated
[02:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: The requested URL /misc/printer.png was not found on this server.
[02:59] <imbrandon> sorry http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/printerlist.png
[03:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's there again?
[03:00] <imbrandon> it sees the printer on the port etc, just cant choose a driver ;)
[03:00] <imbrandon> guess so, dident know it was there before
[03:00] <imbrandon> is there an easy fix i can do ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i had that, then got cups updates...
[03:01] <imbrandon> i just made sure i had all updates , so if there is one its not in the rpos yet
[03:01] <imbrandon> repos
[03:02] <imbrandon> grr just when i need to print some stuff too lol
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:03] <imbrandon> poke'em with one of your super pokes in the ribs Hobbsee ;)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.
[03:04] <imbrandon> hahaha , thats the only way ( well that and my winxp theme ) i got my mother to let me switch her computer to linux ( hp printer support ) 
[03:04] <imbrandon> heh
[03:05] <imbrandon> you see my new tux start button ? 
[03:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ewww...hadnt noticed how xp-ish it was, until you mentioned that...
[03:05] <imbrandon> lol
[03:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what theme are you using on that?
[03:06] <imbrandon> thats a good thing, transparency ;)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> window deco is plastic, i assume - standard blue theme?
[03:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  one i've made, havent got it packaged up
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ah...is that it...
[03:06] <imbrandon> yea kwin deco and kbfx are the main changes
[03:07] <imbrandon> plastik is the widgets
[03:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: works for me
[03:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: is the mouse cursor a busy cursor?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: try removing all your printers, then adding htem again.
[03:07] <imbrandon> nope
[03:08] <imbrandon> its a normal cursur, it  says "loading driver list .... " or similar for like 3 seconds then go's blank
[03:09] <imbrandon> with a normal cursor like its wanting me to select from the list , but obviouisly i cant do
[03:10] <imbrandon> what package should i remove and reinstall to see if that helps .... cupsd ?
[03:10] <imbrandon> err cupsys ?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you can try sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[03:11] <imbrandon> did that ;(
[03:11] <imbrandon> before i came in here
[03:11] <Hobbsee> odd
[03:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you have a printer ? try it  ....... if your brave heh
[03:12] <Hobbsee> well, one of two...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> there's stuff in the mailing lists about cups being borked again, it seems
[03:13] <imbrandon> heh i dunt wanna install windows just to print something lol
[03:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nope, I can happily remove and add again
[03:13] <imbrandon> whoa hmmm wonder whats diffrent on my system
[03:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: try purging cupsys and reinstalling it and the other stuff that depends on it
[03:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, anything else i can check to help ?
[03:14] <imbrandon> kk will do, back in a few when thats done
[03:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: checking it
[03:15] <Hobbsee> MODEL:HP Color LaserJet 4500
[03:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, should i manualy delete these files ......
[03:15] <imbrandon>  * Stopping Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                                                                     [ ok ] 
[03:15] <imbrandon> Purging configuration files for cupsys ...
[03:15] <imbrandon> dpkg - warning: while removing cupsys, directory `/var/cache/cups' not empty so not removed.
[03:15] <imbrandon> dpkg - warning: while removing cupsys, directory `/var/run/cups' not empty so not removed.
[03:16] <imbrandon> before reinstalling ?
[03:16] <Riddell> make sure cupsys isn't running and remove those directories
[03:16] <imbrandon> k
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hmmm....this kde print wizard doesnt force you to use kdesu
[03:17] <Hobbsee> so you cant load any new drivers
[03:18] <imbrandon> you can hit the admin button
[03:18] <Hobbsee> true...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, it added again...
[03:19] <imbrandon> whooo hooo worked this time .... wonder what got borked on my sys
[03:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's CUPS - heisenburg bugs are to be expected.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would it take to get rid of  that darned certificate message for accessing wiki.kubuntu.org?
[03:35] <Riddell> fix konqueror to remember it, poke sysadmin to get a certificate
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: happens in firefox too
[03:35] <imbrandon> firefox does it too
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's sysadmin
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:37] <Riddell> probably znarl, but I'll poke him
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, cool, thanks
[03:45] <Hobbsee> bad sound!
[03:46] <jsgotangco> wooo
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[03:46] <Hobbsee> what 'cha dancing over?
[03:46] <jsgotangco> i just installed Kubuntu again after a year
[03:47] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: yay!  arent you one of those edubuntu-type-people though?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> or do you have multiple machines?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: i wrote some stuff for Kubuntu-docs back then
[03:47] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: ah...i see...i see :)
[03:47] <jsgotangco> but im very much a gnome person
[03:47] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: but i like what i see now :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> seriously..this is a quantum leap
[03:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:50] <jsgotangco> i gotta check my laptop if it got to capture all the stuff
[03:51] <pygi> hey jsgotangco :)
[03:51] <jsgotangco> pygi: hey :)
[03:52] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:52] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian (again)
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <Hobbsee> they're very interesting, you know
[03:57] <Hobbsee> and maybe i can cope with appearing in them :P
[03:57] <Hobbsee> perhaps.
[03:58] <Riddell> ah hah, Hobbsee can be our model for the image to go with the dapper release announcement
[03:59] <Hobbsee> seeing as he will have a camera when he's over here
[03:59] <imbrandon> send a kubuntu cd with him too ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> done deal ........ *hides*
[04:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i'd like one of them - it wouldnt get to NZ before he flies here though
[04:00] <\sh> kubuntu pr0n nice ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> heh
[04:01] <seaLne> stabbing is always good
[04:01] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hehe - want the honours?
[04:02] <\sh> I would model for the release announcement but I think I'm not the type of model riddell wants to have ;)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:02] <jsgotangco> Riddell: is kubuntu going to have a separate release annoucement? I thought we're going to all-in-one route?
[04:02] <seaLne> "kubuntu - linux for hetrosexuals" :P
[04:03] <Riddell> jsgotangco: it'll be separate for the final thing yes
[04:03] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[04:03] <\sh> seaLne: metrosexuals ;)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: help it out a bit?  :P
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm sure you dont want me as a model either :P  I'm not that pretty
[04:04] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: sure; I'll be swarming the channels on release right before and after my egzam ;-)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:07] <\sh> Hobbsee: this is punishment enough http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/shermannpics/Karlsruhe2006/20060518PaulsAbschied/P1000333.JPG.html
[04:07] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:07] <\sh> ;)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, stick that as the model pic...
[04:08] <\sh> Hobbsee: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/Linuxtag2006/P1000274.JPG.html
[04:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[04:08] <\sh> 2 of the new kubuntu council members are on this picture
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it'll be entirely obvious though, when i actually get to a conference about (k)ubuntu - very few women - especially not of  my age...
[04:09] <imbrandon> hahah true
[04:09] <Hobbsee> \sh: want to enlighten us on who they are?
[04:09] <imbrandon> who is that \sh
[04:09] <imbrandon> the female is too old to be Hobbsee ;)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:10] <imbrandon> can you even get one yet?
[04:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: left front: Amu, left behind amu is allee,  right front: zerlinna, right back: raphink
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i can, but if  i wait till i'm over 18, then i can get a 10 year one...
[04:10] <jsgotangco> ahh its been a year since i last saw amu
[04:10] <imbrandon> ahhh ok Hobbsee wasent sure on teh au rules for them
[04:11] <apokryphos> does amu still not work on the live cd?
[04:11] <apokryphos> or desktop cd now, I should say
[04:11] <\sh> apokryphos: he is doing the kubuntu.de releases for new software etc. he did as well the linuxtag dvd
[04:12] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/Linuxtag2006/P1000254.JPG.html <= kwwii and amu @ indian restaurant
[04:12] <apokryphos> ah yes, I remember reading that
[04:12] <apokryphos> cool :)
[04:12] <imbrandon> there should be a pic database somewhere for all the kubuntu members ;)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  with labels.
[04:12] <imbrandon> yea
[04:12] <Hobbsee> the UDU and UBZ pics are pretty good - with labels...
[04:13] <Riddell> launchpad.net/people has hackergotchis
[04:13] <imbrandon> flickr is nice
[04:13] <Riddell> but a kubuntu group photo would be cool
[04:13] <imbrandon> yea Riddell pic like these
[04:13] <\sh> apokryphos: flickr is not nice enough...the pictures are not big enough after upload 
[04:13] <imbrandon> brb i gott hit the store
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, send me a plane ticket :P
[04:14] <apokryphos> \sh: you can keep the original size (though I think it's not displayed for normal accounts). There's always a "large image" option, which is something like 1000xbleh
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.  good luck.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no...wait...do you actually have a picture of me at all?
[04:15] <imbrandon> ummm now that i think about it nope
[04:15] <imbrandon> lol
[04:16] <imbrandon> hold on Hobbsee brb , i got to hit the store
[04:16] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: few do, i wouldnt worry.
[04:16] <imbrandon_gonesh> brb
[04:38] <\sh> apokryphos: for the non paying people as well?
[04:40] <apokryphos> free users get the following sizes available http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=149765727&size=o
[04:40] <apokryphos> (up to 1200x900). If the album owner has a "pro" account, then whoever views the picture... there'll always be the option to see original resolution, however large it is
[04:41] <\sh> I stay with my own gallery ;)
[04:41] <apokryphos> I use my own gallery script too, but mainly because I'm lazy
[04:41] <apokryphos> flickr is really good because of the options available for it (kipi-plugins, kflickr). Camera -> album in 30 secs
[04:42] <apokryphos> and the organisation tools are pretty damn excellent, if I may say so. Some awesome javascript wizards there
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe.  Riddell managed to spell your nick right?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:44] <Lure> name not, but nick yes ;-)
[04:45] <Lure> blog editor probably does not support tab ;-)
[04:45] <OdyX> Lure: it doesn't seem to support uppercase...
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Lure: having names on pages that other people read is bad.
[04:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: my mis-spelling could have been a deliberate attempt to respect your privacy
[04:47] <Lure> Riddell: good one ;-)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's true - nah, i dont mind people using my nick :P
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice try :P
[04:47] <robotgeek> i'm all over the interweb anyways, too late for remorse :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: same here - my nick, not my name.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell:  i come up enough in google that any misspelling of my name would be repointed to the correct version.
[04:50] <Lure> Riddell: btw, who is upstream maintainer for knetworkconf? In case we do not get network guidance for Edgy, I would like to get WPA/WPA2 support in knetworkconf for people who do not want knetworkmanager...
[04:51] <Riddell> Lure: Juan Luis Baptiste <juan.baptiste@kdemail.net>
[04:52] <Riddell> I've told him I'll put in the current kubuntu patches soon
[04:52] <Hobbsee> does anyone happen to know when i'm supposed to be working tomorrow?
[04:54] <OdyX> Riddell: almost... OdyX <- uppercase at last too... :D
[04:54] <OdyX> Hobbsee: at 2.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> OdyX: serious?  i really have no idea...
[04:55] <OdyX> Hobbsee: not at all.
[04:55] <jeroenvrp> hi guys
[04:55] <Hobbsee> darn.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hi jeroenvrp 
[04:55] <jeroenvrp> great RC
[04:56] <jeroenvrp> one question: why is CUPS a dependancy of almost any application?
[04:57] <jeroenvrp> I dont want cups, I have a paperless office :-)
[04:57] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: good question
[04:58] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: thanks, and now the answers ;-)
[04:58] <OdyX> next question jeroenvrp
[04:58] <OdyX> :D
[04:58] <jeroenvrp> no thats the only one
[04:58] <OdyX> woops
[04:58] <OdyX> ;-)
[04:58] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: cupsys isn't, libcups probably will be
[04:59] <OdyX> Well. Can't you let cups, desactivated ?
[04:59] <jeroenvrp> I just installed kubuntu-desktop, to make sure I've got all new things and now am nusy going to strip tjinks, like raid, bluetooth, laptop things and printer support
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: yes indeed
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: yes than I have to dsiable it 
[05:02] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: that'it...
[05:02] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: the only inconveniant would be the place it takes.
[05:02] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: yes I know, but I like to clean it up a little bit
[05:03] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: well.. We all want.. :D Compile all your apps removing cups dependancy then 
[05:03] <OdyX> :D
[05:04] <seaLne> its ok they aren't installed by default
[05:04] <OdyX> :P
[05:08] <Hobbsee> night all...
[05:08] <MrFaber> _Sime: with laptop-mode you can define different power off times for working on battery or with ac adapter, but I haven't set 30 minutes in laptop mode
[05:11] <\sh> oh did I tell you that kubuntu.de has now "planet.kubuntu.de" ?
[05:13] <apokryphos> cool
[05:15] <Riddell> \sh: nice
[05:15] <Riddell> can anyone get to http://picasa.google.com/linux/ ?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Not Found
[05:15] <Hobbsee> The requested URL /linux/ was not found on this server.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no
[05:16] <freeflying|away> Riddell: it's not native linux application
[05:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: no available for europe and other non american people
[05:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: what?  urgh!
[05:16] <freeflying|away> Riddell: picasa+ wine + mshtml 
[05:16] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: can get the direct link for you
[05:16] <apokryphos> http://picasa.google.com.nyud.net:8080/linux/
[05:17] <robotgeek> http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/pool/non-free/p/picasa/picasa_2.2.2820-5_i386.deb 
[05:17] <Riddell> so the web pages don't work outside the US but you can wget the .deb fine
[05:17] <Riddell> that's very daft
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <Hobbsee> that's the idea
[05:18] <apokryphos> no actual idea why it's only available in US only, too. As some /. noted, Windoze version is available anywhere.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> same with those dreaded windows programs too, you know - you can get the dir link after going thru the activatoin process - then just post the link.  extremely daft.
[05:19] <apokryphos> is Picasa really Qt though?
[05:19] <Riddell> apokryphos: no, that's google earth
[05:19] <apokryphos> heard someone say it, then heard someone say in ubuntu-offtopic that it's definitely not
[05:19] <apokryphos> ..and then I see this blog http://cartman-kde.blogspot.com/2006/05/google-is-clueless.html
[05:20] <jeroenvrp> mm laptop-mode has also a systemwide dependency
[05:20] <jeroenvrp> I don't have a laptop, so... can I disablem it?
[05:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: interesting. Funny with a blog title about Google being clueless =)
[05:32] <imbrandon_gonesh> kubuntu - "kollaboration to the core"  ;)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> wb imbrandon 
[05:33] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[05:34] <imbrandon> some*
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bleck.  smokes.
[05:35] <bddebian> Yummy
[05:35] <Hobbsee> nice strawberry milk though :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm really off to bed this time...night all...
[05:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if you're any good with xine and alsa and amarok, #kubuntu needs you
[05:41] <imbrandon> looks like they got it before i got in there, heh, was updating my blog ( FINALY )
[05:42] <nixternal> good mornin'...i am gettin' up, hobbsee is goin' to sleep..this is what i call an aroudnt he clock operation...and imbrandon the code monkey has been up for 4 days straight :)
[05:43] <imbrandon> lol nah
[05:43] <nixternal> i went to sleep 6 hours ago and your were still up..hehe
[05:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:44] <nixternal> put down the keyboard and step away form the machine ;D
[05:44] <imbrandon> its about my bed time thats for sure
[05:44] <nixternal> hehe
[05:45] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:45] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[05:59] <bddebian> What the heck is the difference between the ksimus.desktop and the ksimus-execute.desktop?
[06:01] <OdyX> "-execute" ?
[06:13] <Riddell> bddebian: where?
[06:39] <bddebian> Riddell: Inside the source.
[06:39] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/devel/ksimus$ dpkg-deb -c ksimus_0.3.6-2-10ubuntu2_i386.deb |grep desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> -rw-r--r-- root/root       357 2002-08-05 17:44:00 ./usr/share/applnk/Applications/ksimus.desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> -rw-r--r-- root/root       395 2002-08-05 17:44:00 ./usr/share/applnk/Applications/ksimus-execute.desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> -rw-r--r-- root/root       130 2002-08-05 17:44:00 ./usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-ksimus.desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> And in the source, they look pretty much identical
[07:11] <bddebian> Man, I am going to kill this poor Dell laptop installing every derivative of Ubuntu on it..
[07:12] <jsgotangco> heh this has 4
[08:11] <bddebian> Well Live CD and Live Install seemed to work great for me
[08:11] <jjesse> that's good news, haven't had a chance to download them yet myself as i am !high speed internet (dial up connection for awhile) :(
[08:11] <bddebian> :-(
[08:30] <jjesse> Riddell: i sent you the pictures you were missing for the chapter
[08:33] <Riddell> jjesse: thanks, I'll see if I can upload them (it'll need approval)
[08:33] <jjesse> Riddell: it shouldn't be too hard ot get approval should it?
[08:34] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[08:35] <jjesse> ok, let me know what else i can do to help
[09:26] <pascalFR> hello
[09:26] <pascalFR> bug 42232
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42232 in kdepim "all contacts lost - address book resource truncated to zero" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42232
[09:26] <pascalFR> this is really a showstopper for me ... 
[09:28] <toma> pascalFR: which version of kdelibs are you using?
[09:29] <toma> i recall the fix got in at version 3.5.2.
[09:31] <pascalFR> toma: 3.5.2-0ubuntu18
[09:39] <toma> pascalFR: so far you are the only reporter of this problem with 3.5.2 as far as i can see, in the br and upstream report
[09:40] <toma> pascalFR: not sure what to do
[09:40] <pascalFR> toma: humm strange ... then I'll try with a clean .kde       strangely kde upgrades have always lead to problems with old .kde
[09:41] <pascalFR> toma: or maybe my  vcs file  is corrupted somewhere and triggers another bug
[09:41] <toma> pascalFR: never had problems with that, since 3.1.4 when i started with kde.
[09:41] <toma> pascalFR: possible
[09:43] <pascalFR> toma: for example  on some entries   firstname lastname  combinaison  only appears when I edit then save the entry
[09:44] <pascalFR> toma: in the listing columns they call  formatted name
[10:08] <yuriy_> when i go to the kubuntu wiki, opera tells me The server's name "wiki.kubuntu.org" does not match the certificate's name "wiki.ubuntu.com".
[10:11] <nixternal`chores> that is due to wiki.kubuntu.org just using ubuntu.org's ssl certificate for the good ol' https...they need to get their own in order for it to go away
[10:34] <Tm_M> hey
[10:34] <Tm_M> whats up
[10:48] <yuriy_> nixternal`chores: i realize that, i was hoping "they"= somebody here who can go fix it
[10:49] <Riddell> I've had more complaints about that in the last week than in the last month or two since it was launched
[10:51] <Riddell> I've put in a request with the sysadmins to fix it
[11:53] <Riddell> MiKiX!
[11:53] <Riddell> everyone: welcome our new summer of code student
[11:54] <MiKiX> good evening everybody
[11:56] <Riddell> MiKiX: so, you'll be writing our super cool floppy disk and USB formatting tool?
[11:57] <MiKiX> yes
[11:57] <Riddell> MiKiX: have you coded in qt/KDE before?
[11:59] <MiKiX> yes, some program with qt3 and qt4 (a  picture viewer, a network simulator...)
[11:59] <Riddell> ah, wonderful
[11:59] <Riddell> in C++?
[11:59] <MiKiX> yes
[12:00] <Riddell> MiKiX: are you in England?
[12:02] <pygi> MiKiX, hey, welcome :)
[12:02] <MiKiX> now, yes, I finish a project at teesside university and I come back in france during june
[12:03] <marseillai> another french kde developer! :) the french kde-community is really strong! :)
[12:03] <Riddell> french kubuntu community certainly is
[12:03] <Riddell> MiKiX: you could pop in and visit us at our developers summit in Paris next month
[12:04] <Riddell> MiKiX: do you think you'll use qt3 or qt4?
[12:05] <MiKiX> I think I will use QT4
[12:06] <Riddell> good plan
[12:06] <Riddell> MiKiX: have you put a spec into launchpad/the wiki?
[12:09] <MiKiX> I will put the spec in my blog this week ens
[12:13] <Riddell> MiKiX: can you add a column to the table KubuntuSummerOfCode2006 and link to it when you do
[12:13] <Riddell> MiKiX: when do you think you'll start work on this?
[12:15] <MiKiX> I think I will start to work on next tuesday
[12:16] <Riddell> MiKiX: have you had any thoughts about user interface design?
[12:23] <MiKiX> I think I will try to make about the same user interface as kformat
[12:25] <Riddell> you should pass the UI by a usability person at some point, canonical's usability guy is mpt
[12:26] <Riddell> it would be good to have the application launched in the right click menu of media:/ rather than from the k-menu
[12:29] <MiKiX> yes, I try to add autodetecton to launched it when a media non formatted is inserted
[12:30] <MiKiX> I find some information about solid to do this but this library isn't finished
[12:30] <Riddell> that's a good idea
[12:30] <Riddell> well I think I'm out of questions for just now
[12:31] <Riddell> I'd like short weekly reports by e-mail of progress
[12:31] <Riddell> and do hang around on IRC, it's our natural medium
[12:31] <Riddell> oh and tvo was last years student, he might be able to give you some tips
[12:35] <MiKiX> ok, I will try to stay connect when I can in IRC and thank you for the pseudo of the two last year student
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> yay! I figured out why kde can't mount floppies, and made it work!
[01:21] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: how?
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> I updated the bug in lauchpad, apparently udev is setup so it requires you to be in the group "disk" to mount floppies.
[01:28] <LeeJunFan> or perhaps it's just kde, not really sure, but it worked anyway, I stumbled on that while resolving a problem mounting USB drives for a user I just created and didn't add to plugdev.
[01:32] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[01:32] <Riddell> Mez: there was some library of yours that had issues in NEW the other day
[02:05] <Mez> Riddell: which one ? and what issues?
[02:06] <Mez> liblog4net-cil? or libflaim ?
[02:08] <Riddell> libflaim
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm, we don't have irc logs
[02:13] <Mez> lamont logs it IIRC
[02:13] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont
[02:15] <Mez> sorry, fabbione
[02:15] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[02:15] <crimsun> the ifolder snippet is at the bottom of http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-current.html
[02:17] <LeeJunFan> apparently openoffice bug with saving to media:/ is back or was never fixed?
[02:17] <Riddell> Mez: doesn't cover the channel I'm after
[02:18] <Riddell> anyway kamion should have contacted you
[02:18] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: KDE won't pass media:/ URLs to openoffice
[02:19] <Mez> Riddell: my emails crud atm... I cant get in to delete everything due to the move in house... I have about 17000 waiting till I get broadband at my new place
[02:19] <Mez> Riddell, which chan was it ?
[02:20] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: hrm, what's the point of openoffice2-kde? :)
[02:21] <Riddell> Mez: ask kamion on tuesday what was up with it then
[02:22] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: provides KDE integration for openoffice
[02:23] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: kind of makes it more confusing though, for people to save things to USB or floppy.
[02:25] <Riddell> yes, that's a problem
[02:26] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: well, what's odd is that you can load from "storage media" in openoffice, modify, and save, and "save as" and overwrite a file, but if you try to save a new file to "storage media" it complains about media:/
[02:27] <Riddell> yes, because KDE will translate the filename if you open it from konqueror
[02:31] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: I was just using menu functions from openoffice, not konq.
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: what I find odd is that I can save as and choose to overwrite a file on media:/floppy, and that works, but if I do the same thing and try a new filename it doesn't. Seems those 2 should be handled the same and work. It's still the same function.
[02:34] <LeeJunFan> ie. wether the file exists or not, it's still writing to media:/floppy.
[02:54] <Riddell> any news to add? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNewsletter
[02:54] <Riddell> oh yes, SoC
[03:42] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[03:42] <Hobbsee> hello
[03:42] <Hobbsee> er...wonder why my clock suddenly says auckland
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ah, that's better
[03:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not supposed to be at work yet, good!
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: should i ask a stupid question?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> why on earth are you still up when i'ts almost 3am there???
[03:46] <Riddell> hay, it's the weekend, I can stay up as long as I want :)
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe.  good point :P
[03:46] <Hobbsee> wish that logic worked here!
[03:47] <Riddell> did you get your assignment done the other day?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> which one?  computing?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> no, it's still being a pain, and needs fixing
[03:47] <Hobbsee> half of it's right, the other half just confuses me badly...
[03:48] <Hobbsee> i did the physics one though, and looked enough at the maths to know that i didnt want to even start that one!
[03:49] <Riddell> what's the computing one on?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://online.mq.edu.au/pub/COMP115/assignments/ass3.html
[03:50] <Hobbsee> i'm sure it's not that hard, but the solution hasnt fallen into my head yet, so that's kinda annoying :P
[03:53] <Riddell> mm, C++ on windows, lovely
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <Riddell> so you need 9 arrays each with 9 bool values, assign the characters you read in to the correct array and match each array to a character
[03:54] <Hobbsee> well....yeah, on windows while i'm at uni...it works here...
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i guess that would make sense
[03:58] <Hobbsee> but hey - with doing a bit of c++, the source files make more sense :P
[03:58] <Riddell> hello PtitGNU 
[03:58] <PtitGNU> hello :)
[03:58] <Riddell> PtitGNU: come to be an elite Kubuntu developer?
[03:59] <PtitGNU> ^^ I'm not ready for this I think :) But I like this idea.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hi PtitGNU 
[03:59] <Hobbsee> PtitGNU: just make it sound like you know what you're doing :P
[04:06] <Hobbsee> mmm...crispy
[04:09] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm off to work :( - bye Riddell, PtitGNU 
[04:09] <PtitGNU> bye Hobbsee :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> speak now if anyone wants to replace me!  :P
[04:14] <PtitGNU> I'm currently testing a fresh installation from "desktop" CD... I think that I found a little problem : if you choose manual partitioning and click on Back button, qtparted don't quit (100% cpu usage) and the installer freezes... (maybe the same bug that https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qtparted/+bug/44346 )
[04:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44346 in qtparted "qtparted is left running after cancelling Ubiquity in Kubuntu" [Major,Unconfirmed]  
[07:39] <johnny3d> hello has this bug for no sound been resolved?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/43738
[07:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43738 in linux-source-2.6.15 "No sound" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[07:46] <Mez> says it's confirmed.... so not fixed yet
[08:06] <johnny3d> thankyou
[09:49] <seaLne> lp broken?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> hi Mez 
[09:52] <seaLne> lo Hobbsee 
[09:56] <freeflying> Riddell: around
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hi seaLne and freeflying 
[09:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying: heh, he probably finally went to bed
[09:57] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hi
[09:57] <seaLne> can either of you access launchpad?
[09:59] <freeflying> seaLne: wired, proxy error
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Proxy Error
[09:59] <Hobbsee> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> The proxy server could not handle the request GET /.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> Reason: Error reading from remote server
[09:59] <Hobbsee> nope
[09:59] <seaLne> k
[09:59] <seaLne> i'm sure they will fix the zope servers soon
[10:05] <MrFaber> hi all
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hi MrFaber 
[10:08] <MrFaber> hi Hobbsee 
[10:08] <MrFaber> Is it planned that adept updater shows no information box or notification about updates?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> ask mornfall
[10:09] <MrFaber> I think that especially new users can't get it.
[10:09] <MrFaber> KDE has many, many systray symbols after some time :)
[10:12] <seaLne> MrFaber: you are wanting that users don't get told if there are updates?
[10:13] <MrFaber> seaLne: no, the different
[10:13] <MrFaber> seaLne: Maybe it happens only on my system but I see no message or notification if the systray adept updater symbol is shown
[10:14] <seaLne> ah you mean some sort of popup?
[10:14] <MrFaber> seaLne: something like this http://www.ubuntu.com/include/testing/flight4/update-notification.png
[10:14] <MrFaber> so new users got the point
[10:15] <Mez> hey hobbsee
[10:15] <seaLne> yeah, personally i think the new icon is too subtle the old one was much more noticable, i think it won't happen for dapper but you could see if he would add it for edgy
[10:15] <MrFaber> seaLne: :(
[10:16] <marseillai> using system settings to configure my screen resolution make me loose my screen sleep ....
[10:16] <MrFaber> seaLne: I think that the Icon isn't the problem since KDE has so many that new users can't recognize it
[10:16] <seaLne> marseillai: i think that someone was talking about that yesterday
[10:16] <MrFaber> marseillai: yep, I :)
[10:17] <MrFaber> Very weird that everyone comes now since the bug happens since monthes
[10:17] <marseillai> MrFaber: sorry i've never use system setting before ....
[10:17] <MrFaber> marseillai: np :)
[10:17] <kmon> MrFaber: mornfall asks to use kde svn for bugs/features request of adept
[10:17] <MrFaber> marseillai: I only have reported the bug nothing more
[10:17] <kmon> so file a whishlist
[10:18] <kmon> I also think notifications would be nice
[10:18] <MrFaber> kmon: ok, I am going to try it
[10:18] <kmon> especially for kernel updates
[10:18] <kmon> when a reboot is needed
[10:18] <MrFaber> kmon: without registering?
[10:18] <MrFaber> kmon: yes :)
[10:18] <kmon> MrFaber: I think you need to register in kde bug tracker
[10:19] <MrFaber> marseillai: do you see the correct resolution under DIsplay?
[10:19] <MrFaber> kmon: ok
[10:19] <marseillai> MrFaber: yep
[10:20] <MrFaber> marseillai: hm, I see the wrong one and it resets screen resolution after restart if I change monitor power off time but today a new kde-guidance was relase so maybe it is fixed
[10:21] <seaLne> interesting in my xorg.conf file i only have one resolution specified so you can't move the slider, on the 1st head the slider is at lower position and on the 2nd head its at higher
[10:22] <MrFaber> seaLne: I have only one defined and can't move it at all and it shows me 1024x768 instead of 1366x768. Don't know why.
[10:22] <MrFaber> Ok, bbl, hope it works
[10:26] <MrFaber> :(     ;)
[10:28] <seaLne> is there anything else important that would effect everyone that should be added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems ?
[10:29] <MrFaber> seaLne: yes, the kernel scalling bug
[10:29] <MrFaber> very important imho
[10:29] <MrFaber> but not Kubuntu specific
[10:29] <MrFaber> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/36014
[10:29] <seaLne> do you know the bug #? kinda hard to check on lp
[10:29] <MrFaber> vanilla works fine for me
[10:30] <seaLne> MrFaber: can you access lp just now?
[10:30] <MrFaber> kernel seems to be a little bit overpatched :)
[10:30] <MrFaber> seaLne: no, like Ubugtu
[10:30] <MrFaber> our great bot :)
[10:30] <seaLne> MrFaber: kinda like the crash if you have bluetooth and want to sync a palm bug
[10:31] <MrFaber> I have no palm.
[10:31] <MrFaber> But Bluetooth works very fine for me, respect.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> seaLne: CUPS problems, it seems - varying heisenburg bugs about them
[10:32] <seaLne> cups broken again? *cries*
[10:33] <Hobbsee> seaLne: there's a guy in #kubuntu talking about it
[10:33] <Hobbsee> cups is always broken, isnt it?
[10:33] <MrFaber> Cups works fine here
[10:33] <MrFaber> Even over network, I am really impressed :)
[10:33] <seaLne> i only print at work, and then maybe 2 or 3 times a week so it takes me a while to notice
[10:33] <Hobbsee> people are whining about the kopete configure dialog crashing - but i cant reproduce that here either.
[10:34] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: ask them to move their configuration directory
[10:34] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: maybe an old configuration bug
[10:34] <seaLne> Hobbsee: the devices thing? yeah i couldn't either for a while
[10:34] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: yeah, it seems to come up every once in a while
[10:34] <seaLne> couldn't reproduce that is
[10:34] <Hobbsee> seaLne: no, that's different
[10:34] <MrFaber> oh, ok
[10:34] <seaLne> ah
[10:35] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: it was up for a while, seemed to get fixed, no one had problems, and bang, now it's up again
[10:35] <seaLne> MrFaber: is https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/36014 cpu scaling not working?
[10:36] <MrFaber> seaLne: yes
[10:36] <MrFaber> seaLne: at first only for 686 kernel and now for everyone
[10:37] <MrFaber> since then I only useing vanilla kernel
[10:37] <Hobbsee> seaLne: they got a patch for that kopete devices thing :)
[10:38] <seaLne> wasn't it fixed a while ago?
[10:38] <MrFaber> Another question, why tor users are banned on #kubuntu and so on?
[10:38] <seaLne> MrFaber: ask Riddell its maybe a channel option that needs set
[10:39] <MrFaber> seaLne: it is a channel option but I don't see the sence since people have to been registered at least on #ubuntu
[10:41] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: that's over all of freenode, pretty much - ubuntu too
[10:41] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: afaik, they dont need to be registered on #ubuntu
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: no, freenode has the option
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: I can connect to #kubuntu-de with tor
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: channel ops can choose
[10:42] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: they dont need to be registered on #ubuntu
[10:42] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: not exactly - chanserv auto-bans them again
[10:42] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: don't know now but in past you was moved to an other channel if you connect to #ubuntu without identifying your nick
[10:43] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: go look now
[10:43] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: i'm also under as blah__________________ <-- unregged, and it's there
[10:43] <test> ok, works now
[10:44] <Hobbsee> test: it's not +M anymore
[10:44] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: works
[10:44] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: i know :)
[10:44] <MrFaber> Hobbsee: but not with tor
[10:44] <MrFaber> :)
[10:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, nto with tor
[10:44] <Mez> morning Hobbsee
[10:44] <MrFaber> Hy, I am useing kubuntu how should I know that it has changed ;)
[10:45] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: if it gets unbanned by an op, then chanserv just goes and kicks, and rebans, as soon as a tor user enters...
[10:45] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: heh - #ubuntu's got interesting stuff in it, at times
[10:45] <MrFaber> no, the k is missing ;)
[10:45] <Mez> whats with the ban problem 
[10:45] <Mez> ?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Mez: tor users
[10:46] <Mez> ...?
[10:46] <Hobbsee> Mez: [18:38]  <MrFaber> Another question, why tor users are banned on #kubuntu and so on?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Mez: ?
[10:47] <Mez> I dont see any bans
[10:47] <Mez> whats the tor IP?
[10:47] <MrFaber> Mez: they can't connect
[10:48] <MrFaber> Mez: it is a freenode function, freenode recognizes tor users and the op can set an option that they can't join this channel afaik
[10:48] <Hobbsee> Mez: [18:47]  [367]  #kubuntu *!*@tor/session/* 
[10:48] <Hobbsee> MrFaber: we cant seem to set the option - unless someone knows how to modify chanserv somehow.
[10:48] <MrFaber> ?
[10:48] <MrFaber> I have tested it a week ago and it doesn't worked
[10:49] <Hobbsee> er, unset the option, ie allow tor users
[10:49] <seaLne> autorem seems to be the problem from looking at chanserv commands
[10:50] <seaLne> assuming it lists tor
[10:51] <seaLne> unfortunatly you need to be op to see if it is
[10:51] <MrFaber> "Channel owners are free to deny access to their channels by Tor users. But freenode  and PDPC  urge you not to use a "ban" command"
[10:51] <MrFaber> http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor
[10:52] <Hobbsee> seaLne: kubuntu one is emtpy, i cant see the #ubuntu one
[10:53] <pascalFR> hum  launchpad seems to be down or broken
[10:53] <seaLne> pascalFR: yep
[10:53] <Hobbsee> pascalFR: yep
[10:53] <MrFaber> lol
[10:53] <jpatrick> yep
[10:53] <pascalFR> :)  ok this is not  a scoop  :) 
[10:54] <MrFaber> ok, thanks for checking, bbl
[11:18] <Hobbsee_away> wow!  just realised how many hits there are for "hobbsee" on google - first link is the launchpad page
[11:22] <seaLne> looks like no ETA on launchpad working :-(
[12:14] <Hobbsee_away> hi kwwii 
[12:14] <seaLne> launchpad is back
[12:15] <Hobbsee_away> seaLne: yay :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay...
[12:16] <jpatrick> hmm
[12:16] <seaLne> heh
[12:17] <Hobbsee> bah.  cant win.
[12:18] <seaLne> linuxtag is no longer needed
[12:18] <Hobbsee> true - which means you can stick the meeting link back in
[12:18] <seaLne> which was?
[12:18] <seaLne> cool :)
[12:19] <seaLne> the email thing could probably go aswell?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> er, with the correct URL
[12:19] <seaLne> i'd imagine those it effects will have seen it
[12:19] <Hobbsee> probably some people havent seen it yet
[12:19] <Hobbsee> possibly
[12:24] <kmon> Hobbsee: the url for the RC?
[12:24] <kmon> Hobbsee: the url for the RC?'
[12:25] <kmon> or it's linked in testing current
[12:25] <kmon> sorry for the repetition, my keyboard is possesed
[12:26] <jpatrick> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-May/000081.html
[12:27] <kmon> I was talking about adding it to the topic ;)
[12:27] <kmon> hi jpatrick
[12:27] <jpatrick> hi kmon
[12:28] <jpatrick> Oh great
[12:28] <kmon> hehe
[12:35] <freeflying-g4> hi jpatrick 
[12:36] <jpatrick> hi freeflying-g4
[12:42] <Hobbsee> kmon: good point
[12:42] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: take teh launchpad ID stuff otu then :P
[12:54] <seaLne> remooving those extra |s helps :-/
[12:54] <Hobbsee> good point
[12:54] <Hobbsee> someoens' going to come in and think we've gone nuts with the topic...
[01:09] <seaLne> Riddell: neither of the wiki links on https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team exist
[01:34] <Hobbsee> how odd.  my keyboard input suddenly stopped working
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> Hobbsee: heh, the rest of us stopped listening to you weeks ago, I'm surprized your keyboard held out this long :p
[01:40] <Hobbsee> rofl!
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what happened to the UVF exception request for koffice?
[02:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, you have a sec?
[02:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: too late
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah okay
[02:26] <Hobbsee> pygi: mmm...should do
[02:26] <pygi> Hobbsee, http://omicron.pwsp.net/imgs/snaps/window09.jpg
[02:26] <pygi> how does this look like to you?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> pygi: stupid question, but what precisely is it meant to do?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> ohhh!
[02:27] <pygi> Hobbsee, hm, the icons?
[02:27] <pygi> lol :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> looks nice to me :P
[02:28] <pygi> k, thanks :)
[02:28] <Hobbsee> nah, was trying to figure out what all the different icons were - or whehter i was supposed to be looking at the programs or what
[02:29] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's the story with kde 3.5.3?  do we know?
[02:47] <chavo> Hobbsee, it's only bugfixes for 3.5.x ffrom now on
[02:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: in which respect?
[02:48] <Riddell> chavo: 3.5.3 has new features and strings too
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does it exist, and where's the changelog?  i'm curious now...
[02:48] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kde 4 preview release in october, in theory
[02:48] <Riddell> it's on the server for packagers
[02:48] <chavo> Hobbsee, it's been tagged in svn but no release yet
[02:48] <Hobbsee> so i saw
[02:48] <toma> string freeze was not lifted
[02:48] <Hobbsee> chavo: ah okay
[02:48] <Riddell> changelog will be same place as 3.5.2 changelog but s/2/3
[02:49] <chavo> I have an up to date copy installed here also
[02:49] <Hobbsee> now if i could just find where the 3.5.2 changelog went..
[02:50] <chavo> Riddell, I installed a fesh copy with the LiveCD last night and my exisiting kubuntu install was not added to grub menu is that normal?
[02:51] <Riddell> if it's still on the system the grub setup should still pick it up
[02:52] <chavo> Ok well it picked up my XP install but not this other dapper install
[02:52] <chavo> but other than that it was flawless, and fast
[02:53] <chavo> I'm going to test the install CD in a minute
[02:54] <Hobbsee> mmm...changelog looks nice :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> pity it'll miss dapper by a long shot :P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> New: KDE startup reordered in order to improve startup time.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yes!!!  Prevent "Akregator is running" messages on startup (reset PID to -1 when closing akregator)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> hi LeeJunFan 
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> hello bugslayer.
[03:12] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:12] <Hobbsee> not much i can do now, except reassign what's assigned wrognly
[03:17] <Riddell> inface I think I'll go and mow my lawn
[03:17] <Riddell> infact
[03:18] <Hobbsee> enjoy
[03:20] <toma> Riddell: I think you should clarify some things on kde-i18n-doc
[03:22] <toma> but mowing your lawn is also important ;P
[03:22] <Hobbsee> bah.  
[03:22] <Hobbsee> if he doesnt mow the lawn, then people wont think that they're welcome
[03:22] <Hobbsee> this will be a good thing, as it will give him more time to code.
[03:23] <Hobbsee> simple!
[03:23] <toma> right
[03:23] <toma> we should by him some Evil Dogs
[03:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:27] <toma> Speaking of Dogs. I should go out and fetch some cat food, keeps the dogs in the neighbourhood in good shape.
[03:56] <Riddell> toma: did my message get through?
[03:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if I don't mow my lawn my nagging neighbour will continue to nag me, and then I'l have less time to code
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha fair enough.  if he doesnt like it, cant he do it?
[03:57] <Hobbsee> besides, why does your neighbour get a say in it, if it's your lawn?
[03:58] <Riddell> Hobbsee: my neighbour lives underneith me and her flat backs onto the back garden, but she has no access, I have access through my stairwell, but my flat faces onto the street and I never see the garden
[03:59] <Hobbsee> ah...okay....that makes sense...
[04:02] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:04] <bddebian> Eeks
[04:05] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hey!  it wasnt a koala!  what are you complaining about?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> *now* i can see why you'd complain!
[04:11] <bddebian> Sheesh, violent group ;-)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hee
[04:17] <bddebian> :-)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> gotta love ops :P
[04:22] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i dont know about being a violent group, per se...
[04:23] <bddebian> heh
[04:28] <toma> Riddell: yes, your message came through, but the translators are not cheering.
[04:55] <Fig0^Breezy> hi
[04:55] <Fig0^Breezy> i have found a bug
[04:56] <pygi> Fig0^Breezy, file it on malone
[04:56] <Fig0^Breezy> when i have make a upgrade then my kernel hung at HAL
[04:56] <Hobbsee> that was definite, pygi :P
[04:56] <Fig0^Breezy> on 3 pcs
[04:56] <Hobbsee> *more* people with that?  fun.
[04:56] <pygi> Hobbsee, :)
[04:57] <Fig0^Breezy> and my Logitech MX900 doesnt work
[04:57] <Fig0^Breezy> under breezy work the mx900
[04:57] <Hobbsee> definetly file that one in malone.
[04:58] <seaLne> what is a Logitech MX900?
[04:58] <OculusAquilae> seaLne: mouse
[04:58] <Fig0^Breezy> a mouse with bluetooth
[04:58] <seaLne> ah
[05:04] <pygi> Fig0^Breezy, have you tried dapper? :P
[05:05] <Fig0^Breezy> yes
[05:06] <pygi> and, does it work?
[05:07] <seaLne> he siad earlier that it did
[05:07] <seaLne> didn't
[05:08] <pygi> ah :-/
[05:08] <Fig0^Breezy> in breezy works the mx900
[05:08] <Fig0^Breezy> in dapper not
[05:08] <pygi> Fig0^Breezy, try chrooting into system from live cd, and getting all updates
[05:33] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[05:34] <Riddell> freeflying: a bit
[05:34] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-chewing FBFTS, for yours changes in scim
[05:35] <freeflying> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/scim-chewing.debdiff
[05:36] <Riddell> freeflying: could you get mdz to review that
[05:37] <freeflying> Riddell: but mvo tell it can build on amd64, I don't know kow can he build it 
[05:37] <freeflying> s/kow/how
[05:39] <Hobbsee> okay, who was the chocolate-eating-gremlin????
[05:40] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: what?
[05:42] <jpatrick> could of been me
[05:43] <Hobbsee> can i have it back please?
[05:44] <jpatrick> too late for that now...
[05:45] <jpatrick> was my birthday yesterday :P
[05:46] <Hobbsee> so you're...15...16 now?
[05:46] <jpatrick> 15
[05:46] <Hobbsee> good guess :P
[05:46] <jpatrick> yep
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:56] <Hobbsee> fishing?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: do your kmix settings look like they normally do?
[05:58] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: yes
[05:58] <Flosoft> hey
[05:58] <jpatrick> artsd just seems to have passed on
[05:58] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: does aplay work?
[05:58] <Flosoft> Riddell: Can you update the Download pages?
[05:59] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I'll restart KDE
[06:00] <Hobbsee> goodnight all...must leave, before i pass out...
[06:02] <Hobbsee> goodnight all...must leave, before i pass out...
[06:02] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: did it work?
[06:02] <jpatrick> yep
[06:02] <jpatrick> night
[06:02] <Hobbsee> cool
[06:04] <neoncode> hi Hobbsee 
[06:29] <Riddell> Flosoft: to what?
[07:27] <pygi> Riddell, I might have a complete icon set ready for you for Edgy
[07:28] <Riddell> 1 icon?
[07:30] <pygi> Complete Icon set, not 1 icon :P
[07:31] <Riddell> taken up artistry?
[07:33] <pygi> no, I have artists who will do it :)
[07:34] <Riddell> in my humble opinion KDE needs less icon sets and more people working on the default KDE artwork
[07:35] <Riddell> I'm sure the oxygen people would welcome any help for example
[07:35] <pygi> ah, kwwii is great on that :)
[07:36] <Riddell> certainly is
[07:39] <pygi> ok, I'll just have to tell him to work on something else then :-/
[07:40] <Riddell> who?
[07:40] <pygi> well, that artist? :)
[07:41] <Riddell> get him helping with oxygen, it'll become public in a couple of weeks
[07:42] <pygi> oki
[08:49] <goldenear> Riddell: I've found the solution about kaffeine opening embedded video instead of kmplayer
[08:50] <goldenear> this problem is that there is a mess in the files types association
[08:51] <Riddell> goldenear: oh?
[08:52] <goldenear> have a look to http://goldenear.online.fr/filetype.pdf
[08:52] <goldenear> it's a table of my files types in konqueror
[08:53] <goldenear> there are two problems 1) check the application/x-mplayer2 line
[08:54] <goldenear> this was the linux wich cause kaffeine to be embedded in webpages instead of kmplayer
[08:56] <goldenear> I didn't understand why kaffeine was used ... indeed in video/x-msvideo and video/x-wmv kmplayer was set as the default player...
[08:57] <goldenear> then I've seen that *.wmv was also associated to application/x-mplayer2 wich was set to use... kaffeine!
[08:58] <goldenear>  /usr/share/applications/kde/kaffeine.desktop <-- the problem for that is here
[09:01] <goldenear> 2) I don't understand why there is for example both vorbis and x-vorbis, ogg and x-ogg, mpegurl and x-mpegurl ... etc
[09:08] <goldenear> Riddell: ?
[09:11] <jpatrick> goldenear: I think he's mowing his lawn
[09:12] <goldenear> ok
[09:13] <goldenear> I hope he will check what I sais... it's really an anying problem in kubuntu and it's easy to fix :)
[09:17] <Riddell> goldenear: how do we fix it?
[09:25] <goldenear> Riddell: first is it normal to have both eg vorbis and x-vorbis ?
[09:25] <goldenear> what's the right type ?
[09:26] <Riddell> I don't know
[09:28] <goldenear> that should be asked to somebody able to answer and then to "clean" the files types to remove unused ones
[09:28] <Riddell> I'd suspect both are used
[09:29] <goldenear> about the kaffeine problem, to fix it you just need to remove the type application/x-mplayer2 in /usr/share/applications/kde/kaffeine.desktop
[09:30] <Riddell> and what does that change?
[09:30] <goldenear> so kaffeine won't be activated by default for video embedded in webpages
[09:31] <Riddell> what the heck is application/x-mplayer2 anyway?
[09:31] <Riddell> trouble is that if kaffeine can do that mimetype we shouldn't just remove it, we should lower the priority
[09:31] <goldenear> also the application/x-mplayer2 type should be completly deleted IMHO
[09:32] <goldenear> look at my pdf file
[09:32] <chavo> goldenear, did you install kmplayer?
[09:33] <goldenear> chavo: kmplayer is not needed, only kmplayerlib (witch is what konq. uses)
[09:36] <goldenear> Riddell: you can see *.avi or *.wmv files are associed to severel types (application/x-mplayer2, video/avi, video/x-msvideo, video/x-ms-wmv)
[09:36] <Riddell> right
[09:38] <Riddell> both /usr/share/services/kmplayer_part.desktop and /usr/share/services/kaffeine_part.desktop have x-mplayer2
[09:38] <Riddell> I wonder how it chooses which to use
[09:38] <Riddell> they both have InitialPreference=9 so maybe kaffeine is first by alphabet or something
[09:39] <goldenear> I guess yes
[09:39] <goldenear> imho application/x-mplayer should not be used at all
[09:39] <goldenear> x-mplayer2 I mean
[09:39] <Riddell> so we need to add x-mplayer2 to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc
[09:40] <Riddell> I imagine it's there for a reason
[09:41] <Riddell> goldenear: fancy adding it to that file and testing to see if it works better?
[09:41] <goldenear> I think the only reason was a quick and dirty hack to open *.avi *.wmv files by default with kmplayer
[09:42] <Riddell> the mimetype file for x-mplayer2 comes from kaffeine
[09:42] <Riddell> I'll ask the kmplayer dude but it's too late to go around removing thing
[09:42] <Riddell> editing kubuntu-default-settings though we may well get away with
[09:43] <goldenear> I guess kaffeine also used the hack to get the hand on mplayer
 so we need to add x-mplayer2 to /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc <-- if x-mplayer2 can't be removed, so yes I think it's the best solution... not very clean IMHO, but at least it will work :)
[09:47] <Riddell> want to give it a shot?
[09:48] <goldenear> sure
[09:48] <goldenear> what do I have to do ?
[09:49] <Riddell> edit that file, try as a user with a fresh .kde directory see if it fixes things
[09:49] <Riddell> send me the diff, or for bonus points the debdiff
[09:49] <goldenear> ok
[10:03] <Riddell> hello frinkillo 
[10:17] <pygi> Riddell, he seems to be interested in oxygen :)
[10:27] <Riddell> pygi: cool, look out for the big announcement in a couple of weeks, or get him to contact kwwii first
[10:27] <Riddell> kwwii@bootsplash.org
[10:28] <pygi> Riddell, yup, I'll tell him to contact kwwii
[10:28] <pygi> jpatrick, joy :)
[10:28] <pygi> don't we all? :P
[10:56] <neoncode> Uhhh.... Huge update...
[11:01] <pygi> neoncode, ?
[11:07] <neoncode> pygi: Adept updater just told me that there's a new update. Includeing important-sounding packages such as "ubuntu-standard" and "ubuntu-minimal"
[11:54] <goldenear> Riddell: the change on the profilerc file works.
[11:54] <Riddell> goldenear: excellent
[11:54] <Riddell> goldenear: fancy making me a debdiff?
[11:54] <goldenear> please find the diff here : http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/
[11:55] <Riddell> that'll do nicely
[11:55] <goldenear> it not a debdiff
[11:55] <Riddell> that's fine
[11:55] <goldenear> only a diff from the old profilerc
[11:56] <Riddell> what name shall I put in the changelog?
[11:56] <goldenear> the new profilerc is also on my web place
[11:56] <Riddell> hello ctw 
[11:56] <goldenear> Goldenear
[11:56] <goldenear> or would you prefer my real name ?
[11:56] <Riddell> real name required
[11:58] <goldenear> also I have verified that x-mplayer2 is requiered
[11:58] <Riddell> did you work out what it's for?
[12:00] <goldenear> x-mplayer2 indeed seems to be a quick and dirty fix for the kmplayer-kpart plugin
[12:00] <goldenear> but we can't remove it... it's really requiered
[12:01] <goldenear> I really think that a better solution would have to be find for edgy
[12:01] <Riddell> I don't understand why it should be needed, it should just use the actual mimetypes
[12:02] <goldenear> because as I told you, at the moment files like *.avi or *.wmv have to be "set" for several files types (x-mplayer2 and the "normal "mimetypes")
[12:03] <goldenear> I don't neither understand why it is needed ... but I did try to remove application/x-mplayer2 but then kmplayer-kpart doesn't work
[12:05] <goldenear> I think kmplayer-kpart coded to use the x-mplayer2 mimetype and not to use each mimetype (video/avi, video/x-ms-wmv, etc..) independently
[12:07] <goldenear> I really think mimetypes woud need to be cleaned for edgy... IMHO it's not very clean to have, for example, both ogg AND x-ogg. 
[12:10] <goldenear> Riddell: I also discovered what is the problem with konqueror not correctly diplaying man pages with accuentuated characters