[12:02] <crazy_penguin> night all! // jo ejt!
[12:07] <bleaked> question, if one obtains new hardware (complete system, but will use current hard drive) is it ever worth the potential headache to just plug the current hard drive in the new machine, and just go, or should one always just install fresh and migrate data over?
[12:08] <crimsun> you can choose either given you've kept the Ubuntu kernel.
[12:08] <crimsun> it's modular enough to support a massive variety of hardware.
[12:19] <Bizzeh> anyone use kdevelop?
[12:24] <Bizzeh> whats the kde package that lets you configure any aspect of kde and any of the apps associated with it?
[12:26] <PyroMithrandir> Bizzeh, kcontrol?
[12:26] <thom_> Bizzeh: do you mean control panel
[12:27] <thom_> also known as system settings
[12:29] <Blissex> thom_: the proper name is Control Center, not Control Panel....
[12:29] <PyroMithrandir> what, is this a quiz now?
[12:41] <orient2000> can i transfer mp3 to ogg in kubuntu?
[12:42] <ben> anyone willing to help with an AC'97/alsa problem
[12:44] <ben> #ubuntu
[12:50] <sorush20> hi guys is it possible to have a kde inteface for firefox/
[12:50] <sorush20> for the save and open dialouge
[12:51] <aseigo> Riddell: ping?
[01:21] <MasterEvilAce> i want a script started that i have in /etc/init.d
[01:21] <MasterEvilAce> what runlevel script should i put it in under /etc/rc#.d
[01:32] <PyroMithrandir> orient2000, yes
[01:32] <PyroMithrandir> sorush20, not than I know of
[01:32] <PyroMithrandir> MasterEvilAce, that depends which runlevel you want it on :)
[01:32] <sorush20> PyroMithrandir: the gnome dialouge sucks
[01:33] <PyroMithrandir> I agree
[01:33] <PyroMithrandir> if you find a way, I'd like to know
[01:33] <PyroMithrandir> but I don't think there is one
[01:38] <MasterEvilAce> i did sudo nano, and saved a file that i want to run.. do i have to do anything special? i do an ls and all the other files are green but the one i made is white
[01:38] <MasterEvilAce> (i'm trying to learn linux better)
[01:40] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: you need to chmod it ot make it executable
[01:41] <MasterEvilAce> ah, thanks
[01:41] <MasterEvilAce> that makes sense
[01:42] <MasterEvilAce> perfect! thanks
[01:42] <imbrandon> yw ;)
[01:43] <dean> hello. Im having a strange problem with my laptops keyboad missing characters as im typing (no im not missing letters off like a fool) :D
[01:43] <dean> anyone ever heard of anything like it happening fore and even better a fix
[01:44] <MasterEvilAce> happen to know how KMix starts up? sometimes it opens when i startup, other times it doesn't
[01:45] <MasterEvilAce> dean: that would happen to me in windows if a program was making it bog down badly
[01:45] <Topclass> strange thou cos im not running anythi and it even missis letters at the login stage
[01:46] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[01:46] <Topclass> the missing ng from anythi above proves my annoying point :D
[01:50] <Topclass> come on you cant ruin my illusion that the people here know everything :D
[01:56] <Topclass> im guessing nobody knows about how to stop keyboards from not gistering some keypresses :(
[01:58] <xtacocorex> is there an option in the dapper install to not install lvm?
[02:02] <xtacocorex> nm, i'll ask in the dapper channel
[02:05] <orient2000> I did try to compile mp3toog-2.0 in tmp/mp3to... but I had missing gawk, mp3info, oggenc, vorbiscomment. I've got mpg321-0.2.10 and I can not ./configure. Missing gawk, gcc, cc, cl, no acceptable compiler found autoconfig, automake, autoheader, make, info. It seams like I have compilers or library missing. What do I do wrong?
[02:07] <LeeJunFan> Ugh! sun wonders why java never took off. Because it doesn't work! Hardly any app I ever try even runs.
[02:08] <_cathal> is there a way to configurer kde when moving to a new desktop, not to take the items in the taskbar to the new desktop screen so I have a clean taskbar?
[02:09] <imbrandon> yea right click on the pannel and click configure, its an option
[02:13] <troy> Riddell: thank you very much for the updated amarok packages :)
[02:13] <unperson> Hi, I'm trying to get drivers for a Samsung ML-2010 laser printer installed, but I need a little help.
[02:14] <unperson> I first tried adding a printer in the KDE printer setup, but it didn't list that model.
[02:14] <unperson> Now, it turns out that this printer comes with a CD that has "printer drivers", but I'm not quite sure how to get them installed.
[02:15] <unperson> There's a setup script for Linux that installs a program called "linux-config" that may be able to setup the driver, except it doesn't seem to work properly on Ubuntu.
[02:16] <unperson> It asks for administrator login info, but nothing seems to work.  I think this must be login info for the CUPS server, but I'm really not certain.
[02:16] <_cathal> imbrandon: unfortunately I can't see an option, a pointer in the right direction would be great. Im probably blind.
[02:17] <unperson> Anyway, I'm thinking that the appropriate drivers must be somewhere on the CD, so I guess the question is what would the printer driver files look like?  For example, what extension are they likely to have?
[02:18] <_cathal> imbrandon: its ok i found the option.
[02:18] <imbrandon> sorry was afk, i was looking ;)
[02:18] <imbrandon> glad you found it though
[02:20] <superdump> hello
[02:20] <imbrandon> 'ello
[02:21] <ryanakca> whats the kde equivalent of gnome-session?
[02:21] <superdump> is it possible to run the text installation from the flight 7 live cd?
[02:21] <imbrandon> superdump: no
[02:21] <superdump> the partioning crash is preventing me from installing and i don't have another spare disc
[02:21] <superdump> ah crap
[02:21] <superdump> :(
[02:21] <arafat> ori
[02:21] <imbrandon> you need the text install cd OR the DVD with live and text
[02:22] <imbrandon> ryanakca: for? like the startup scipts ?
[02:22] <superdump> thanks anyway
[02:24] <orient2000> love 7 live cd never worked for me but 2GD install from internet worked just fine and I just love it
[02:25] <bleaked> so, just to clarify this, i'm looking at the flight 7 ISO download page.  i see a 'desktop cd', which appears to be a live disc with an install option, and then there's the text-mode install disc.  i have a new machine that i want to dump kubuntu on and i require dapper..which is the preferred install disc?
[02:25] <RadiantFire> I would say text-mode
[02:25] <RadiantFire> if your already sure you want to install
[02:26] <bleaked> yes, that's sort of what i was thinking, but the 'install later' option lead me to believe that this might be a preferred install method or something.
[02:26] <imbrandon> text mode
[02:26] <imbrandon> bleaked: it is prefered once dapper hits non beta but not yet, still loads of bugs ;)
[02:27] <imbrandon> so text mode for now
[02:27] <imbrandon> to awnser you
[02:27] <orient2000> press esc or F1 before installation and there should be txt info what to do... few options
[02:28] <eosyn> bloody memory whores
[02:28] <imbrandon> eosyn: ?!?
[02:28] <eosyn> oh just applications that pork all my ram and swap once in awhile
[02:28] <imbrandon> lol
[02:29] <imbrandon> *cough* firefox *cough*
[02:29] <troy> eosyn: openoffice? :/
[02:29] <eosyn> azureus I think it was this time
[02:29] <troy> java :P
[02:29] <eosyn> yep
[02:29] <eosyn> java is a bastard
[02:29] <superdump> imbrandon: i just had a thought, has there been a fix committed for this partitioning issue? it appears to be something about unicode
[02:29] <imbrandon> ahh thats more a java thing, there is actualy a command line option to only allow it 64 / 128 etc etc mb of ram
[02:29] <imbrandon> from the vm
[02:29] <troy> eosyn: you should try ktorrent :) new versions are quite nice :)
[02:30] <eosyn> ktorrent is weird
[02:30] <superdump> if i could hack up the necessary scripts enough to get it working as intended then i'd be happy with that
[02:30] <imbrandon> superdump: yes there has BUT you need the latest daily build live cd
[02:30] <imbrandon> i dunno if you can apt-get update the live cd but its worth a try ;)
[02:30] <superdump> ktorrent ate ~1.5GB combined of ram + swap last time i used it
[02:30] <eosyn> its relativily light and I like it but it seems to have problems with some torrents and just sits there stalled.. dunno why
[02:30] <troy> superdump: ewww
[02:30] <superdump> since i've used rtorrent
[02:31] <superdump> and been happy
[02:31] <superdump> as i can leave it in a screen and do what i like
[02:31] <superdump> imbrandon: worth a try i suppose ;)
[02:31] <imbrandon> worst case it wont work stil ;)
[02:31] <imbrandon> *still
[02:32] <superdump> indeed
[02:32] <superdump> but as i said, i don't mind hand editing scripts if it's not too difficult a fix
[02:33] <imbrandon> try the apt-get update thing and if that dont work ask them in #kubuntu-devel what needs to be edited
[02:33] <superdump> ok, thanks :)
[02:34] <PyroMithrandir> superdump, what's so good about rtorrent?
[02:34] <superdump> it's not stupid, it does what it's supposed to and does it with minimal resource use
[02:34] <superdump> and i've had no problems with it
[02:34] <PyroMithrandir> I mean, I get that it is not a memory hog, but does it have other advantages?
[02:34] <superdump> plus being able to put it in a screen is a big plus
[02:35] <PyroMithrandir> "put it in a screen"?
[02:35] <superdump> screen is a very useful program
[02:35] <PyroMithrandir> I'm not familiar with it
[02:35] <superdump> have a google, it might come in handy for you
[02:35] <PyroMithrandir> will do
[02:36] <imbrandon> yea i use screen all the time
[02:36] <superdump> but, rtorrent doesn't exactly have the easiest scheduling / "run 2 downloads at a time and when one is done, set another going"
[02:36] <superdump> if it's possible at all
[02:36] <superdump> though this should come shortly with updates to libtorrent or so i'm told somewhere in the mists of time
[02:37] <imbrandon> i just use btdownloadmany.py and set it to a dir ;)
[02:37] <imbrandon> inside a screen on the server
[02:37] <superdump> if ktorrent doesn't eat ram anymore then i guess it would be ok
[02:37] <superdump> i want utorrent ;)
[02:37] <imbrandon> azureus is nice as long as you limit the ram the java vm can use ( easy command line option )
[02:37] <troy> ktorrent has a 2.0beta available for breezy (didn't see dapper packages) - but 1.2 seems to be installed by default on dapper...
[02:38] <troy> imbrandon: the problem for me is java in general on amd64... kind of hit-or-miss
[02:39] <imbrandon> just compile from source, i avent had a problem since then ;)
[02:39] <imbrandon> *on amd64
[02:40] <imbrandon> brb smoke break
[02:41] <PyroMithrandir> screen looks like it would be nice for ssh sessions
[02:43] <PyroMithrandir> or when I say to myself "oh, I'll come back to this, after I do such and such in a new terminal"
[02:43] <PyroMithrandir> it's actually a pretty cool idea
[02:44] <XVampireX> Hey, check out klik
[02:44] <troy> PyroMithrandir: I use konsole with tabs for much the same think...
[02:44] <XVampireX> http://klik.atekon.de
[02:45] <PyroMithrandir> well, yeah, that's what I normally do
[02:45] <troy> XVampireX: yeah, the only problem with klik is that they are ix86 friendly and ignore other platforms...
[02:45] <troy> XVampireX: still, x86 Opera packages work nicely on my amd64 machine from there :)
[02:46] <XVampireX> I'm on x86
[02:46] <troy> XVampireX: well then you're in luck :)
[02:46] <goldenear> does anybody here use kpowersave ???
[02:46] <goldenear> I've got some problems with it
[02:47] <XVampireX> yeah
[02:47] <XVampireX> I mean yeah to troy :P
[02:48] <XVampireX> It's an awesome idea in my opinion
[02:48] <troy> XVampireX: go tell them (the developers) that in #klik :)
[02:49] <XVampireX> It's easier than managing software in the repositories
[02:49] <XVampireX> Well structured
[02:49] <XVampireX> There's a SoC project for integration of klik with openSuSe
[02:58] <jub3i> i have a question
[02:59] <jub3i> i am trying to update my mozilla thunderbird and it says im up to date when i know i have a older version
[02:59] <jub3i> im using apt-get , and when i try to update it, it says im up to date, and im not
[02:59] <jub3i> is there a source list that i need to update ?
[02:59] <jub3i> for apt
[03:05] <jub3i> anyone?>
[03:06] <PyroMithrandir> jub3i, yeah
[03:06] <PyroMithrandir> sudo apt-get update
[03:06] <PyroMithrandir> that will update the sources list
[03:07] <goldenear> is there a command in irc to review the n last messages (my computer crashed and I had to reboot) ???
[03:07] <CheeseBurgerMan> goldenear: You can look at the logs, assuming that your client logs the conversations.
[03:09] <goldenear> CheeseBurgerMan: I was rebooting ... so my client did not work for the last 5 minutes :/
[03:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, I think there's a place online that store the logs for this channel...let me see if I can find it
[03:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> !logs
[03:09] <goldenear> that's why I'm asking if there is a command to ask the server an history of the conversation
[03:09] <ubotu> logs are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[03:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> aha!
[03:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> I don't know of a server command...but that link should do.
[03:10] <clintc_laptop> just upgraded to amarok 1.4 in dapper, using the xine engine, have libmad0 installed, mp3 still don't play, anyone know how to get back mp3 joy
[03:11] <goldenear> clintc_laptop: you have to install xine non free codecs
[03:13] <goldenear> clintc_laptop: apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:13] <clintc_laptop> goldenear: thanks, what repo does it live in
[03:14] <goldenear> I guess it's in universe
[03:15] <goldenear> no sorry, it's in multiverse
[03:15] <clintc_laptop>  I have universe, no joy, so probably it's multiverse
[03:17] <goldenear> yes it is
[03:30] <tulga> I need install tomcat on dapper. where I find good howto?
[03:31] <clintc_laptop> goldenear: life is good, mp3s play, multiverse is the way
[03:35] <goldenear> tulga: with google ?
[03:35] <tulga> goldenear: yes. I use google first
[03:36] <goldenear> and it doesn't give you anything ?
[03:37] <goldenear> tulga: http://doc.gwos.org/index.php/Install_tomcat_5.5
[03:37] <goldenear> found with google ;)
[03:37] <tulga> goldenear: yep. can I use blackdown's JDK instead of Sun JDK for tomcat?
[03:38] <tulga> ha tnx
[03:39] <tulga> packages really work on dapper?
[03:39] <goldenear> I don't know
[03:39] <goldenear> I don't use tomcat
[03:39] <luksan> i have gstreamer installed and amaroK still won't recognize it
[03:39] <luksan> ;-(
[03:40] <imbrandon> amarok uses xine dosent it
[03:42] <goldenear> yes indeed
[03:42] <goldenear> at least it can use it
[03:42] <luksan> no, it uses multiple backends
[03:42] <goldenear> but it can also use other backends
[03:44] <luksan> is anyone actually using Amarok 1.4?
[03:45] <goldenear> yes I do
[03:46] <luksan> how did you get it?
[03:46] <goldenear> I've just install it 1 hour ago :)
[03:46] <luksan> even if i enable "universe" the highest i can get is 1.3.9
[03:46] <goldenear> read the kubuntu.org website
[03:47] <goldenear> luksan: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[03:47] <luksan> i got it
[03:47] <luksan> thanks
[03:48] <goldenear> yw
[03:49] <luksan> (k)ubuntu - making Linux suck less!
[03:50] <Bilford> Kubuntu makes Windows suck more
[03:53] <luksan> all i want is for my amarok to play mp3 files
[03:57] <luksan> and it won't show the arts plugin either, wtf
[03:59] <goldenear> luksan: what would you like the arts plugin for ?
[03:59] <luksan> goldenear: nothing, i want the gstreamer plugin, but i am just noting that it is not showing the arts plugin either even though i have amarok-arts
[04:00] <goldenear> arts is depreciated
[04:00] <luksan> i know
[04:00] <goldenear> the gstreamer plugin shoud be available soon AFAIK
[04:01] <goldenear> but it's not yet ready for gstreamer 0.10
[04:02] <goldenear> I thinks phonon will be very useful :)
[04:02] <luksan> goldenear: in the mean time how would you recommend i listen to mp3 podcasts?
[04:02] <goldenear> with libxine
[04:03] <luksan> goldenear: i'm using amarok with xine
[04:03] <goldenear> amarok work fine with libxine for me
[04:03] <luksan> but it will not play mp3s
[04:03] <goldenear>  apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:03] <goldenear> (in the multiverse depo)
[04:04] <luksan> goldenear: ok... thanks
[04:06] <luksan> goldenear: is that the same thing as backports?
[04:06] <goldenear> no
[04:07] <luksan> oh, i see i just have to add the word "universe" to my components
[04:07] <luksan> the config file makes it confusing
[04:08] <luksan> or not
[04:09] <luksan> goldenear: how do i add the multiverse?
[04:10] <luksan> the "Documentation" section of the website isn't exactly ablaze with answers
[04:10] <Bilford> In KOrganizer, how do you make it so default entries have a Reminder
[04:12] <pascal_> Anybody know how often Rosetta synchronizes with dapper?
[04:12] <Bilford> tj9991, Linus Torvalds uses KDE
[04:12] <Bilford> Ubuntu + KDE = Kubuntu
[04:13] <Bilford> oops
[04:13] <Bilford> wrong channel
[04:13] <XVampireX> lol
[04:14] <goldenear> luksan: modify your /etc/apt/sources.list file and enable multiverse in it
[04:14] <Bilford> useful thread about what the file fodlers mean:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview?highlight=%28filesystem%29
[04:14] <XVampireX> Does  anyone know how plasma will look like?
[04:15] <luksan> i know, but how do i enable it?
[04:15] <luksan> goldenear: see my previous three comments
[04:15] <XVampireX> luksan: You enable them by removing comments
[04:16] <XVampireX> I think it was #
[04:16] <XVampireX> # = comments sign
[04:16] <luksan> XVampireX: removing the line with backports, aparrently
[04:18] <XVampireX> luksan: It clearly says what you should do to enable universe/multiverse
[04:18] <XVampireX> "Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the universe repository" for example, and another one is for multiverse
[04:18] <goldenear> luksan: deb http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe multiverse
[04:18] <goldenear> add it like that
[04:18] <Bilford> or   alt+F2, adept  -   Adept -  Repositories
[04:18] <XVampireX> When you're done save the file and do sudo apt-get update
[04:19] <luksan> ok, following goldenear's directions worked, even though i had already done it once before
[04:19] <orient2000> addin universe muliuniverse https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[04:20] <luksan> but, it was to no avail, because adept ignores me
[04:20] <Bilford> or   alt+F2, adept  -   Adept -  Repositories
[04:20] <goldenear> luksan: here is my soucers.list file : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/730448
[04:20] <luksan> but now it works
[04:20] <XVampireX> So anyone knows how plasma will look like?
[04:20] <GaiaX11> Why is that I cannot connect to my hotmail through konqueror? I give the right passw but it don't access my account? I think it is about certificate, but i do not know how to set up them.
[04:20] <Bilford> http://www.abclinuxu.cz/images/clanky/kratky/kde4-plasma-2_s.jpg maybe
[04:20] <XVampireX> plasma is KDE4, not vaporware
[04:21] <Bilford> it is?
[04:21] <XVampireX> lol! Damn!
[04:21] <XVampireX> That looks good
[04:21] <goldenear> Bilford: the app on the right is very ugly ! ;)
[04:21] <XVampireX> Though I think it's just brainstorming, or is it?
[04:22] <XVampireX> goldenear: You hate gimp?
[04:22] <luksan> Bilford: that screen shot has been around FOREVER, i'm pretty sure it's just brainstorming
[04:22] <Bilford> yeah
[04:22] <Bilford> how do they manage to keep it so secret
[04:22] <luksan> XVampireX: GIMP has the worst user interface in the world
[04:22] <XVampireX> :P
[04:22] <Bilford> theres not even any info in Wiki. just a red link
[04:22] <luksan> XVampireX: it is byzantine
[04:22] <luksan> Vive Krita
[04:22] <XVampireX> luksan: It works well with gnome interface
[04:23] <XVampireX> it's not as suitable for kubuntu as ubuntu
[04:23] <XVampireX> Though gimp is weird, I think it needs a more integrated GUI
[04:24] <goldenear> I don't hate it... I juste never could get familiar with its ui... I'm more a photoshop guy... So I'm happier with krita :)
[04:24] <XVampireX> Heh
[04:24] <goldenear> btw did you know that there had been a linux version of photoshop ?
[04:24] <XVampireX> No, but there are few things you can do to get photoshop to run on linux
[04:25] <goldenear> photoshop 3.5 has indeed existed for linux...
[04:25] <goldenear> I mean... without wine
[04:25] <XVampireX> 1. You can use photoshop plugins for gimp and other programs. 2. wine. 3. crossover office
[04:25] <goldenear> I was a native linux version
[04:26] <XVampireX> Yeah,   I think it could have been
[04:26] <XVampireX> I'm not into graphics too much, more into programming
[04:26] <goldenear> But adobe stoped it ...
[04:26] <goldenear> I bet Adobe may soon be back on the linux scene ...
[04:26] <Bilford> is Gimp good at removing background?  PS CS was good
[04:26] <XVampireX> Because of a reason: It's not worth development for a platform that is not mainstream
[04:26] <tulga> can I use blackdown's java SDK for tomcat?
[04:27] <XVampireX> Just use regular java
[04:27] <goldenear> Gimp is nice for website gfx creation but it can't be compared to ps IMHO
[04:28] <goldenear> it's too bad for publishing
[04:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> goldenear: Maybe not, but the Gimp's price is what made the decision for me. ;)
[04:28] <XVampireX> yeah :P
[04:28] <XVampireX> good point
[04:28] <goldenear> it depends your need
[04:29] <XVampireX> I think linux needs native directx support
[04:29] <goldenear> did you try krita 1.5 ?
[04:29] <XVampireX> krita is pretty good
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes, I looked at Krita
[04:30] <CheeseBurgerMan> Still like Gimp better :)
[04:30] <goldenear> I prefer the interface of krita
[04:30] <goldenear> more like photoshop :)
[04:30] <XVampireX> Because it's integrated
[04:31] <XVampireX> gimps interface is all broken down
[04:31] <goldenear> yes indeed
[04:31] <luksan> goldenear: except it doesn't take 20 minutes to start up like all adobe applications
[04:31] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[04:31] <goldenear> lol
[04:31] <goldenear> not yet :)
[04:31] <goldenear> but it can't do all what PS can do atm...
[04:32] <goldenear> but I'm pretty sure it will be faster when it it :)
[04:32] <goldenear> s/it/is
[04:32] <goldenear> XVampireX: directx support ?
[04:32] <XVampireX> Yeah
[04:32] <XVampireX> For the sake of people using linux instead of windows :P
[04:33] <goldenear> your mean a translator to gstreamer ?
[04:36] <luksan> goldenear: i don't know, KPDF is pretty good, and it starts instantly cf. Acrobat Reader
[04:37] <goldenear> Acrobat reader is pretty fast before v 4.5...
[04:37] <goldenear> after adobes add many useless (IMHO) stuff to it
[04:37] <goldenear> and may be some spyware ;)
[04:38] <goldenear> XVampireX: why to use directx when you can use sdl ?
[04:40] <orient2000> where can I get sdl?
[04:40] <XVampireX> Because of current games/applications that use directx
[04:40] <orient2000> Universe?
[04:40] <XVampireX> www.libsdl.org
[04:40] <orient2000> thanks
[04:40] <XVampireX> if you want to search for a package you can search for apt-cache search packagename
[04:41] <Bilford> in Windows, I used FoxIt for pdf
 Because of current games/applications that use directx <-- doesn't wine provide a directx emulation ?
[04:43] <goldenear> anyone wanting to make a multiplatform game should use sdl
[04:43] <XVampireX> Emulation is the keyword
[04:43] <XVampireX> I said current for a reason
[04:45] <Bilford> Cedega is for games
[04:45] <Bilford> aka WineX
[04:46] <XVampireX> I know
[04:46] <XVampireX> Not all games work and those that do, do not work perfectly.
[04:46] <_lauren> how do I create a symbolic link?
[04:47] <Bilford> it doesnt matter.  Windows is on the way down
[04:47] <Bilford> Kubuntu is on the way up
[04:47] <paca> Yeah!
[04:47] <XVampireX> I hope
[04:48] <XVampireX> Kubuntu needs more unique features that seperate it from other distros
[04:48] <paca> As soon as kubuntu 6.06 is out, I will install it for the first time.  Koffrice and OpenDocument have me fired up.
[04:48] <goldenear> _lauren: ln -s ?
[04:48] <Bilford> it is out, for the most part
[04:49] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[04:49] <kkathmanlappy> yah pretty much... updates each day tho .. but thats no big deal :)
[04:49] <goldenear> paca: koffice doesn't yet support opendocument very well
[04:49] <Bilford> Im using 6.06
[04:49] <kkathmanlappy> probably acceptable to load the Flight 7, then just do the updates :)
[04:49] <_lauren> thanks
[04:49] <paca> goldenear: heh, neither does OpenOffice in my experience...
[04:50] <paca> It doesn't fail gracefully like it should.
[04:50] <goldenear> Try to open the demo documents in dapper with koffice ...
[04:50] <goldenear> it won't work
[04:51] <goldenear> openoffice will do it properly
[04:51] <goldenear> but it may be because these documents have been made with OOo and are not "clean"
[04:51] <_lauren> where does the package installer install the firefox dir?
[04:52] <RadiantFire> goldenear: I remember reading somewhere that the standard is slightly ambiguous
[04:52] <RadiantFire> and thats the reason for the slight issues that occur
[04:53] <goldenear> I read an interview of a koffice programer somewhere... it is said that we'll have to wait at least for koffice 1.5.3 for "full" opendocument handling
[04:54] <goldenear> RadiantFire: it's now an ISO standard... it should not be ambiguous ;)
[04:57] <Bilford> I like the K products
[04:57] <Bilford> like KOnversation
[04:57] <XVampireX> K gimmick
[04:58] <Bilford> yes, but most are actually good
[04:59] <XVampireX> amaroK
[04:59] <XVampireX> Kopete
[04:59] <XVampireX> lol
[04:59] <Bilford> I dont use IM
[04:59] <goldenear> twinKle :)
[04:59] <Bilford> KTorrent is nice
[04:59] <XVampireX> The VoIP, it doesn't look good, prefer skype
[04:59] <XVampireX> KTorrent sucks :P
[05:00] <Bilford> what do you need it to do?
[05:00] <goldenear> skype sucks
[05:00] <goldenear> it a proprietary software...
[05:00] <Bilford> I like KOrganize calendar
[05:00] <XVampireX> Gizmo-Project > Skype > Twinkle
[05:00] <Bilford> how that little line moves down
[05:00] <goldenear> sip works at least as well IMHO
[05:00] <Bilford> I dont use VOIP
[05:01] <XVampireX> proprietary or not, it's good.
[05:01] <goldenear> XVampireX: did you try the lastest version of skype ?
[05:01] <goldenear> oops
[05:01] <Bilford> Konversation is underrated
[05:01] <XVampireX> On linux?
[05:01] <goldenear> twinkle
[05:01] <XVampireX> ah
[05:01] <Bilford> I never even heard about it until I installed Kubuntu
[05:01] <XVampireX> No, I never tried it, cause it looked bad
[05:01] <goldenear> I mean twinkle, not skipe
[05:02] <XVampireX> Yeah, i saw
[05:02] <goldenear> you should give it a try
[05:02] <goldenear> I'm compiled the latest version for dapper
[05:02] <XVampireX> I tell you what, I'll install it, if the sound sucks, and it doesn't support alsa by default, I'm going to remove it
[05:02] <goldenear> http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu
[05:02] <Bilford> thats a Windows mentality
[05:03] <XVampireX> It's not :P
[05:03] <Bilford> in LInux, if you dont like something, you can usually configure it
[05:03] <XVampireX> I know
[05:03] <Bilford> in Windows, if you dont like something, youre screwed
[05:03] <goldenear> it supports alsa
[05:03] <goldenear> and the sound is very good
[05:03] <Bilford> I use XMMS, because Im so used to WinAmp
[05:03] <Bilford> I only switched over from Windows 2 weeks ago
[05:03] <XVampireX> I use amarok
[05:04] <goldenear> me too
[05:04] <XVampireX> I switched from windows about a month ago or more
[05:04] <Bilford> why did you switch
[05:04] <XVampireX> Cause linux r0x0rz
[05:04] <XVampireX> lol :P
[05:04] <Bilford> lol
[05:04] <XVampireX> I put it that way just to sound lame
[05:04] <goldenear> I switch between Linux and windows all the time....
[05:05] <XVampireX> I don't dual boot
[05:05] <goldenear> I still have to use windows for my work :(
[05:05] <Bilford> thats no good
[05:05] <Bilford> oh
[05:05] <goldenear> I'm a professional video editor
[05:06] <Bilford> does Linux have any good video editing tools
[05:06] <Bilford> for professionals
[05:06] <XVampireX> Yeah
[05:06] <goldenear> and professional video editing can only be done under windows (or Mac OS, but I have the "one button mouse" concept ;) )
[05:06] <XVampireX> I forgot their names
[05:06] <goldenear> nop !!!
[05:07] <goldenear> nothing really "professional" under linux for video editing
[05:07] <XVampireX> You got 10 minutes to impress me with twinkle
[05:08] <XVampireX> What is a good SIP service provider?
[05:08] <deviant> lol needin some help, How to you turn on Universe and Multiverse in apt-get?
[05:08] <goldenear> voxalot ?
[05:08] <XVampireX> never heard of it
[05:08] <deviant> I know it's something like.. sudo vi /etc/source.list or something.
[05:08] <goldenear> http://www.voxalot.com/action/home
[05:09] <goldenear> deviant: you can do it with adept (in K/system)
[05:10] <goldenear> deviant: you can also have a look to my sources.list : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/730448
[05:10] <goldenear> and edit your file with sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:10] <goldenear> but I guess it's much more simple with adept
[05:10] <John-Z> Hrmm.. I'm unable to get any mp3 player to play my mp3's. Using Dapper 6.06
[05:11] <John-Z> It just skips through my playlist.. I believe I have everything installed.
[05:11] <deviant> I like apt-get alot more, Adept sometimes has a hard time loading lol
[05:11] <John-Z> Using amarok
[05:11] <goldenear> John-Z: you're the 1000th person to ask for that :)
[05:11] <John-Z> Bug?
[05:12] <goldenear> apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:12] <John-Z> doesnt work.
[05:12] <goldenear> not a bug, missing codec only :)
[05:12] <goldenear> you have to enable the multiverse depo
[05:12] <John-Z> Thought I already did it.. let me dbl check.
[05:12] <goldenear> John-Z: have a look to my sources.list : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/730448
[05:13] <deviant> To save in vi you type esc then ws?
[05:13] <John-Z> just w
[05:13] <John-Z> or wq to write,quit
[05:13] <luksan> actually :w
[05:13] <goldenear> deviant: ": w q"
[05:13] <John-Z> (esc):w
[05:14] <XVampireX> goldenear: How do I get twinkle configured with voxalot?
[05:14] <XVampireX> I registered on voxalot... I just don't know what to put in the wizard
[05:15] <goldenear> XVampireX: let me try
[05:15] <John-Z> I have all depo enabled, can't locate libxine
[05:15] <John-Z> weird.
[05:16] <John-Z> Using Adept..
[05:16] <goldenear> it's libxine-extracodecs
[05:16] <John-Z> I know.
[05:16] <goldenear> and it's in multiverse (no only universe)
[05:16] <John-Z> Is that a depo I have to manually add, or does it show in my list.
[05:17] <goldenear> XVampireX: Your name: what you want
[05:17] <goldenear> User name: your voxalot number
[05:17] <goldenear> Domain : voxalot.com
[05:17] <goldenear> Real: let it empty
[05:18] <deviant> aight one last question before I get out of your hair.. Updating KDE what's the command for apt-get sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[05:18] <XVampireX> What's the stun server?
[05:18] <goldenear> Name: your voxalot number
[05:18] <goldenear> and passwd: your voxalot passwd
[05:19] <XVampireX> Yeah, what about STUN server?
[05:19] <John-Z> Damnit.. I have ALL repo's enabled within adept and still no libxine-extracodecs
[05:19] <John-Z> Can't see what Im doing wrong.
[05:19] <John-Z> Hrmm
[05:19] <goldenear> XVampireX: try stun.fwdnet.net
[05:20] <goldenear> John-Z: did you make an apt-update ?
[05:20] <goldenear> apt-get update
[05:21] <John-Z> Maybe someone knows why this always happens.
[05:21] <John-Z> apt-get jacks up..
[05:21] <John-Z> spits out:
[05:21] <John-Z> root@teknowledge:~# apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:21] <John-Z> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[05:21] <John-Z> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[05:22] <goldenear> try sudo apt-get install ...
[05:22] <John-Z> Same thing.
[05:22] <goldenear> apt-get needs superuser rights
[05:22] <John-Z> Same error.
[05:22] <goldenear> you have to close adept before ...
[05:22] <John-Z> You can see I was root when I tried it the first time.
[05:22] <John-Z> Ahh.
[05:23] <XVampireX> woot!
[05:23] <XVampireX> Good quality
[05:23] <John-Z> So I did an update .. now tried apt-get install libxine-codecs and it says:
[05:23] <John-Z> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:23] <John-Z> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:23] <John-Z> is only available from another source
[05:24] <John-Z> *sigh*
[05:24] <XVampireX> goldenear :P
[05:24] <goldenear> John-Z: paste your sources.list here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:24] <XVampireX> Wanna call me? :P
[05:24] <goldenear> XVampireX: I can't now ...
[05:24] <John-Z> How do I paste it there?
[05:24] <XVampireX> haha :D
[05:25] <goldenear> My girlfriend is sleeping in the next room
[05:25] <goldenear> But later I can call you sure
[05:25] <XVampireX> So I can call anyone on any other sip network?
[05:26] <goldenear> sure
[05:26] <John-Z> Asterisk-Home?
[05:26] <goldenear> sip is open :)
[05:26] <John-Z> Anyways.. Golden, not sure how to paste my source list to that location.
[05:27] <goldenear> John-Z: go to the location, copy your file (from kate) and past it...
[05:27] <MasterEvilAce> Why does amaroK crash whenever i try to play music from a shared network drive?
[05:28] <MasterEvilAce> (same files play when on the HD itself)
[05:28] <John-Z> What file contains my source list?
[05:28] <John-Z> <-- New to Ubuntu, sorry.
[05:29] <deviant> ..../etc/apt/sources.list
[05:30] <John-Z> Pasted.
[05:31] <John-Z> Want to take a look at it..
[05:31] <goldenear> sure
[05:31] <goldenear> what's the url ?
[05:31] <John-Z> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/730494
[05:32] <John-Z> I literally have every single repo enabled.
[05:32] <John-Z> Confusses me.
[05:34] <deviant> Hrm, There isn't a way put a background on grub.. In Kubuntu like there was in SuSe. gah..
[05:34] <John-Z> Damn them!
[05:34] <John-Z> heh
[05:34] <John-Z> Id be happy if I could simply play a mp3.
[05:35] <deviant> Try to install mplayer
[05:35] <John-Z> Im mizzing codecs
[05:35] <John-Z> missing*
[05:35] <deviant> Go to the mplayer website.
[05:35] <deviant> They have the codecs.
[05:35] <jeff_> whats up guys
[05:35] <John-Z> libxine-codecs?
[05:35] <John-Z> Hey Jeff_
[05:35] <deviant> http://mplayer.hq or something like that.
[05:35] <jeff_> anybody know how to capture from a webcam?
[05:36] <goldenear> John-Z: add multiverse at line 22 and 23
[05:36] <John-Z> appended on the end?
[05:36] <goldenear> yep
[05:37] <John-Z> WORKED!
[05:37] <John-Z> Lets test her out.
[05:38] <John-Z> Amarok still just skips through the damn files, without playing them.. ARG!
[05:39] <goldenear> did you close and relaunch it ?
[05:39] <John-Z> Yep.
[05:39] <John-Z> *sigh*
[05:39] <goldenear> (I mean exit ... not leave it in the systray)
[05:40] <John-Z> Hrmm.. thought I did, guess not.
[05:40] <John-Z> there we go.. thank you for your help goldennear
[05:40] <John-Z> *goldenear
[05:40] <goldenear> yw
[05:41] <John-Z> Ive been dying to listen to the new tool album.. heh.
[05:41] <jeff_> so uhh
[05:41] <jeff_> anybody know how to capture from a webcam?
[05:41] <jeff_> video that is
[05:42] <goldenear> John-Z: also you should use ogg vorbis instead of mp3 each time you can
[05:42] <jeff_> yeah
[05:42] <jeff_> ogg doesnt cost money
[05:42] <imbrandon> camstream - Collection of tools for webcams and other video-devices
[05:42] <imbrandon> camstream-doc - Documentation for camstream
[05:42] <goldenear> ogg vorbis sounds really better and it's free, opensource
[05:42] <jeff_> every time you make something and save as mp3, you are helping whoever is charging for people to use their file format
[05:42] <goldenear> and patents less
[05:43] <jeff_> imbrandon: yeah thanks
[05:43] <goldenear> jeff_: ffmpeg can also capture from webcam AFAIK
[05:44] <jeff_> goldenear: how?
[05:44] <goldenear> jeff_: kvlc can also do it
[05:44] <goldenear> (open a capture device)
[05:44] <jeff_> goldenear: right right, i did the whole howto for capturing with vlc on the forums but it didnt work
[05:45] <jeff_> goldenear: whats AFAIK?
[05:45] <goldenear> As Far As I Know
[05:45] <goldenear> jeff_: http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net/index.php
[05:46] <jeff_> lol ok
[05:46] <jeff_> thanks
[05:46] <goldenear> ffmpeg is a command line tool to convert one video file format to another. It also supports grabbing and encoding in real time from a TV card.
[05:46] <imbrandon> or any v4l device
[05:46] <jeff_> awesome
[05:46] <jeff_> thanks guys
[05:47] <goldenear> good night/day... (function of the part of the world you are) :)
[06:01] <Rug> Howdy all
[06:02] <Rug> Is this channel just for Breezy, dapper, or both?
[06:02] <Dasnipa`> breezy
[06:02] <PyroMithrandir> the dapper channel is #ubuntu+1 but some of us here run it
[06:02] <Rug> ok thanks.
[06:15] <John-Z> Guys in #Gentoo arent as friendly as they are here.
[06:15] <John-Z> Hrmm.
[06:16] <HymnToLife> that's because Gentoo is not a friedly as Ubuntu )
[06:16] <John-Z> Right.
[06:16] <HymnToLife> as*
[06:16] <John-Z> Im having a hell of a time upgrading php with their stupid emerge tool.
[06:16] <John-Z> heh.
[06:17] <HymnToLife> why don't you install it on an Ubuntu ?
[06:17] <John-Z> Im recently a sys / network admin for a large datacenter and they offer every single linux flavor you could think of.. *sigh*
[06:17] <John-Z> The web server is running gentoo..
[06:17] <HymnToLife> weird idea if you ask me
[06:17] <|RadiantFire|> thats fun
[06:17] <John-Z> Real fun.. I have to learn the quirks of 20 different OS's.
[06:17] <John-Z> :(
[06:18] <RadiantFire> gentoo is pretty solid though
[06:19] <HymnToLife> so is Debian
[06:19] <HymnToLife> and it's much less hassle to manage
[06:20] <RadiantFire> I always enjoyed gentoo
[06:20] <RadiantFire> I dropped it because I got tired of the incessant compiling
[06:21] <HymnToLife> same here
[06:21] <HymnToLife> I became aware of its uselessness when I was 17 :p
[06:22] <John-Z> It wasnt my choice guys.. :(
[06:22] <John-Z> Trust.
[06:22] <RadiantFire> well, the good news with gentoo is you never ever have to worry about installing -dev packages
[06:22] <John-Z> true.
[06:22] <HymnToLife> heah, it's really a weird choice to put gentoo on a server...
[06:22] <RadiantFire> well, think about it
[06:22] <RadiantFire> servers don't upgrade that much
[06:23] <RadiantFire> unless there is a security hole
[06:23] <RadiantFire> and you get the performance benefit of stripping out junk you don't need + not having to deal with i386 compiled packages
[06:23] <RadiantFire> so not to much compiling
[06:24] <HymnToLife> but you have to be familiar with it, or you get stuck in John-Z's situation
[06:25] <RadiantFire> yeah
[06:25] <imbrandon> ubuntu/debian minimal installs are small and lightweight
[06:25] <RadiantFire> they are, but then again, gentoo is easily deployed onto multiple boxes
[06:25] <RadiantFire> you use 1 as the compiler and deploy prebuilt packages onto the rest
[06:26] <imbrandon> so is any linux distro ( ghost the drive 0 ;)
[06:26] <RadiantFire> I guess it all depends on what you look for
[06:26] <imbrandon> or send the .debs to the other boxes
[06:26] <RadiantFire> I never messed with my cflags, use vars to much
[06:26] <RadiantFire> I liked the init system
[06:26] <imbrandon> debuild on one box and use the debs on them all
[06:29] <MasterEvilAce> hey
[06:29] <MasterEvilAce> where in the world is tux racer???
[06:30] <HymnToLife> its name chaged if I remeber well
[06:30] <imbrandon> its penguin racer
[06:30] <HymnToLife> search for it in Synaptic
[06:30] <MasterEvilAce> i use adept
[06:30] <MasterEvilAce> oh penguin racer
[06:30] <HymnToLife> in Adept then (I never could stand it)
[06:30] <MasterEvilAce> there it is.. why was the name changed??? :(
[06:31] <HymnToLife> ask the developpers...
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> shame
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> so what makes Synaptic so special?
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> I thought Yast was pretty good in comparison to adept
[06:33] <imbrandon> nothing its the same as adept
[06:33] <MasterEvilAce> o_O
[06:33] <imbrandon> synaptic == gnome , adept == kde
[06:33] <MasterEvilAce> ohhh
[06:33] <John-Z> apt-get, screw adept.
[06:34] <crimsun> no synaptic is gtk and not specific to gnome. for instance, it installs in Xubuntu just fine without dragging in other gnome dependencies.
[06:34] <imbrandon> ahh i stand corrected ;)
[06:34] <imbrandon> crimsun: dsl too the more i think about it
[06:35] <HymnToLife> John-Z> agreed, I like Synaptic though
[06:36] <RadiantFire> i've noticed adept and synaptic handle search differently
[06:36] <RadiantFire> for instance search in adept for blender doesn't bring up  yafray, while it does in yafray
[06:36] <RadiantFire> er in Synaptic
[06:37] <imbrandon> search*
[06:43] <savut> hi
[06:46] <imbrandon> 'ello
[06:46] <nixternal> hello there fine sir
[06:46] <nixternal> i did a nice little ubuntu isp server install tonight
[06:46] <nixternal> went smooth...running great
[06:48] <nixternal> a little testing and some shoring up...and this just might go ahead the upgrade my current suse servers that have been running forever
[06:48] <nixternal> the speed increase on an older server is impressive...it should be good on some dl360's
[06:52] <nixternal> ..
[06:54] <MasterEvilAce> okay. weird. i made a symbolic link in the /etc/rc.local/rc2.d/ to point to a script in /etc/init.d/   i read it's SUPPOSED to start up but it just doesn't!
[06:55] <MasterEvilAce> er rc5.d *
[06:55] <savut> when the next release happen ?
[06:56] <MasterEvilAce> or where-ever it's supposed to be
[06:56] <savut> first June ?
[06:56] <MasterEvilAce> savut: yes
[06:56] <savut> Kubuntu the same ?
[06:56] <MasterEvilAce> i believe so
[06:57] <savut> wating for it, I. already using Dapper, is there any difference ?
[06:57] <savut> or they just realease it as stable
[06:57] <MasterEvilAce> dapper is basically a beta
[06:58] <MasterEvilAce> even if they don't change ANYTHING.. there will still be some sort of new version on june 1st
[06:58] <MasterEvilAce> you probably won't notice anything.. just bug fixes, etc.
[06:58] <savut> thx for the info, but It's look like working fine on my computer already
[06:58] <MasterEvilAce> same :D
[06:59] <savut> I still cant get my ATI card to work :(
[06:59] <savut> OpenGL I mean
[06:59] <savut> I have to use vesa
[07:00] <savut> KDE is pretty :P
[07:01] <Hobbsee> it is :)
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> KDE rocks
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> kubuntu rocks
[07:02] <savut> Konversation rock
[07:02] <deviant> Anyone know where I can find a mplayer .deb package at?
[07:02] <Hobbsee> !mplayer
[07:02] <ubotu> mplayer is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[07:02] <deviant> lol thanks
[07:03] <savut> i use KMPlayer, it's the same thing or not ?
[07:03] <MasterEvilAce> not that it's a big deal or anything.. but does anyone know why the default KDE IM client is Kopete or whatever, but even if you install gaim, there's no way to change the default client
[07:12] (nixternal/#kubuntu) don't need an ipod for this...what it does is sits on a server with all of your mp3's and what not...and with itunes, rythmbox, or banshee...you can see the server automatically and listen to the music
[07:12] (deviant/#kubuntu) !mplayer
[07:12] (ubotu/#kubuntu) methinks mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[07:14] <savut> you mean listen to the music remotely ?
[07:15] <nixternal> ya
[07:15] <savut> like shoutcast ?
[07:15] <savut> streaming mp3 ?
[07:15] <imbrandon> more like a nfs share only seen by music apps
[07:15] <nixternal> so i have like...5,000 songs sitting on my server...no matter whnich machine i am on...i just fireup itunes (winblows) or rythmbox or banshee for linux...and i can listen to the music on my server
[07:16] <imbrandon> it streams on demand
[07:16] <nixternal> exactly like imbrandon
[07:16] <savut> hmm ok you can pick what song you want and it stream it
[07:16] <imbrandon> yea
[07:16] <nixternal> see..if i do an nfs share though...then i could write to it...where as with daap i can't...and i have to ftp songs up to my server
[07:16] <savut> look cool
[07:16] <nixternal> hmm..i just might do an nfs share
[07:17] <imbrandon> that and you have to install services for unix on winblos to see nfs shares
[07:17] <imbrandon> thats a pita
[07:17] <savut> lol or add remote server
[07:17] <imbrandon> smb share might be good though
[07:17] <nixternal> true
[07:17] <savut> in KDE you can add remote places
[07:17] <nixternal> and hell...that can get setup right in system settings i beleive
[07:17] <savut> Konqueror
[07:17] <imbrandon> savut: yes
[07:17] <imbrandon> nixternal: yea samba is simple to setup
[07:18] <nixternal> i haven't messed much with samba...and when i did...it was probably more than 5 years ago
[07:18] <imbrandon> just not ulta secure but if you have a router and are on nat no biggie
[07:18] <MasterEvilAce> you can't be serious brandon
[07:18] <nixternal> if i can setup webservers all day long..t.hen samba shouldn't be much
[07:18] <MasterEvilAce> samba is a pain to do simple stuff
[07:18] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install samba probably
[07:18] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: it takes me like 3 minutes to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf to do what i want ;)
[07:19] <nixternal> lol...apt-get is almost as good as a gettin' a free drink at the bar
[07:19] <MasterEvilAce> 3 minutes way tooo long
[07:19] <MasterEvilAce> apt-get is too easy
[07:19] <nixternal> apt-get is easier though
[07:19] <imbrandon> hahaha ok setup nfs from install to secure in 3 minutes ;)
[07:19] <imbrandon> AND get both windows and linux to love it ;)
[07:20] <imbrandon> sides for the ulta newb there is swat web interface to config samba
[07:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:20] <nixternal> i am very impressed with the ubuntu breezy server install though
[07:20] <MasterEvilAce> my samba network stuff doesn't like windows writing to it, and doesn't like to write to windows. however both are glad to read off each other
[07:20] <nixternal> it doesn't get any easier
[07:20] <nixternal> runs better than debian etch also
[07:20] <savut> Hmm a question:  ALSA vs aRts vs Esound  what the difference, which one should i use
[07:21] <imbrandon> hmmm you might have a non standard install i do ALL my storage on a samba server with no problems to read and write and its over 300gb ( software raid share )
[07:21] <RadiantFire> arts and esound are both sound servers
[07:21] <RadiantFire> alsa direct interation with the hardware
[07:21] <nixternal> non-standard install for what??
[07:21] <savut> so I dont need arts and esound ?
[07:21] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: said he didnt like writes to smb shares
[07:21] <nixternal> what card do you have savut?
[07:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:22] <savut> nForce
[07:22] <savut> on motherboard
[07:22] <nixternal> alsa i think
[07:22] <savut> it's work on install
[07:22] <nixternal> i use also with sb
[07:22] <nixternal> alsa
[07:22] <nixternal> i keep putting also everytime
[07:22] <savut> just some player didn't heard the sound, so I installed anything about sound :P
[07:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:23] <savut> I think i messed my computer :(
[07:23] <nixternal> i will say...my worst experience with kubuntu was all sound related
[07:23] <nixternal> but i caused most of the problems
[07:23] <savut> haha same for me
[07:23] <nixternal> i don't like my machines with overhead...so everything i don't use...it gets whiped out...well i whiped out a lil to much i guess
[07:24] <nixternal> now this system is runnin' better then any system i have seen
[07:24] <nixternal> no initNoGo either
[07:24] <savut> I try to install everything until it work :P
[07:24] <imbrandon> heh
[07:24] <savut> and it get overbloated
[07:24] <nixternal> ck10 patch...which i can't tell a difference between it and vanilla kernel
[07:24] <nixternal> hahaha savut
[07:24] <imbrandon> ck10 patch ?
[07:24] <nixternal> i was doing that just to get nessus to freakin' work correctly
[07:24] <nixternal> ya
[07:25] <nixternal> don't ask me how i found it either
[07:25] <nixternal> it was a hidden con blog
[07:25] <nixternal> that dude has crap every
[07:25] <nixternal> where
[07:25] <imbrandon> wtf is ck10 ?
[07:25] <nixternal> con kolivas
[07:25] <imbrandon> ummm ok * gos back to coding *
[07:25] <nixternal> lol
[07:26] <nixternal> he does custom patches for linux kernels
[07:26] <nixternal> they are supposed to be hacked for performance
[07:26] <nixternal> i decided to try one out today
[07:26] <imbrandon> ahh
[07:27] <nixternal> linux default kernel is horrible with everythin loading in kernel or as a module
[07:27] <nixternal> ham radio...i don't need that ;D
[07:27] <imbrandon> modules only load when needed ;)
[07:27] <nixternal> true
[07:27] <nixternal> but they are there...and i don't like it...that lil file takes up space i can use ;D
[07:28] <nixternal> 18 seconds from grub to log in
[07:28] <nixternal> 9 seconds from login enter to desktop
[07:28] <deviant> Can't believe how hard of a time I'm having just trying to install mplayer lol
[07:28] <imbrandon> pretty damm close to mine, and i dident go through the headache
[07:28] <nixternal> it takes exactly 30 seconds to boot...7 seconds to shut down
[07:28] <nixternal> this is an older machine too
[07:28] <nixternal> nothing fancy
[07:29] <imbrandon> my bios takes longer to post then me to boot and i have a vanella kernel ;)
[07:29] <nixternal> and at start...i have 2 konsoles, akregator, kmail, konversation, kweather, kopete, superkaramba...plus themes load
[07:29] <nixternal> same here
[07:30] <nixternal> 1.4ghz t-bird...256mb ram...gf4 mx40000000????
[07:30] <Hobbsee> nixternal: wow
[07:30] <nixternal> 6 active desktops...all doing something
[07:30] <imbrandon> nixternal: p4 2.9 ghz 1.5 gig ram gf4 mx 400 ;)
[07:30] <nixternal> grrr
[07:30] <nixternal> i need to up the mem on all my machines
[07:30] <imbrandon> yea i love the extra ram
[07:31] <nixternal> i am seriously low on ram
[07:31] <nixternal> all my machines are i believe 512 and under
[07:31] <nixternal> 512 has always been good...but i found 1gb sets for $70 at fry's...so i might buy a couple this week
[07:31] <imbrandon> well i usaly am compiling something and building a package of some kinda with a few browsers open and photoshop running x 2, 90% of the time so the extra ram helps
[07:32] <nixternal> damn coders ;D
[07:32] <nixternal> i need to start coding again
[07:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:32] <nixternal> although..the coding i did was nothing like what is oging on today
[07:32] <nixternal> i used to program ladder logic, assembly, and vb about 8 years ago
[07:32] <savut> hey guys im going, gnight everyone, see you when Kubuntu Dapper will release :P, i'll surely have lot of questions :P
[07:33] <solid_liq> more ram always helps
[07:33] <nixternal> i have been sys admin'n now and not wanting to code...i love networking, security...and i love hardware
[07:33] <solid_liq> 1 gb on laptop, 2 gigs on one desktop, 3 gigs on the other
[07:33] <imbrandon> i've been codin since ummm about 96 with everything from fortran to cobal to c/c++, c# vb6 vb.net ummm and a little klix/delphi mixed in there
[07:33] <solid_liq> more ram speeds things up tremendously
[07:33] <nixternal> i do a lot of tech articles...and do a lot of news for local linux user groups
[07:33] <nixternal> and free os forums
[07:34] <solid_liq> (3 gigs is for my 64 bit machine, as that uses more ram)
[07:34] <nixternal> i messed with .net for 15 minutes
[07:34] <nixternal> to scarry for me ;p
[07:34] <imbrandon> lol
[07:34] <imbrandon> most all the coding i do now is in either php or c#
[07:34] <nixternal> i think i looked at it cuz someone gave my vstudio for free
[07:34] <imbrandon> 98% atleaste
[07:34] <nixternal> i can do a lil php now
[07:34] <nixternal> cuz i am messing wiht web servers all day long
[07:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:35] <nixternal> i understand it when i see it...starting to look more and more like english to me
[07:35] <imbrandon> heh
[07:35] <imbrandon> i need to update my blog BADLY, i've been putting it off for months
[07:35] <nixternal> i want to pick up python cuz one of the security focus groups i am with...well they code with python and one of our war machines is loaded with python
[07:35] <imbrandon> cleanup some of the php it uses etc and finish the features
[07:36] <nixternal> i haven't had time to blog...i need to do one for the family...so everyone nt he family has one place to go
[07:36] <imbrandon> python == the devil everytime i've tried to mess with it but its getting easyier
[07:36] <nixternal> lol
[07:36] <nixternal> i heard it is a good starter
[07:36] <imbrandon> heh
[07:36] <nixternal> i did c++ and that crap in college
[07:36] <nixternal> i can't remember any of it
[07:36] <imbrandon> lol
[07:37] <nixternal> i finsihed my bachelors in 97...i don't remember squat
[07:37] <imbrandon> its like riding a bike, plus c++ looks alot like php , or is it the other way arround /scarcasim
[07:37] <deviant> anyone know a good deb port I can download the mplayer package from?
[07:37] <imbrandon> deviant: its in universe or multiverse
[07:37] <nixternal> i know one of my sr. thesis' was on internet growth and the security focus and standpoints one should understand
[07:38] <imbrandon> breezy just "sudo apt-get install mplayer-586" dapper "sudo apt-get install mplayer"
[07:38] <nixternal> as far as programming...i don't know...this fall i am going to go for my postgraduate and starting some transfer classes...i might take up some programming
[07:38] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:39] <deviant> Package mplayer-586 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:39] <deviant> I've been having the same problem all night.
[07:39] <nixternal> pretty much all the network course i get to skip cuz of certifications...so i might spend soemtime coding
[07:39] <imbrandon> i should probbly go back and take a few classes
[07:39] <nixternal> i don't know if coding is such a good idea since i really quit drinking
[07:39] <imbrandon> deviant: breezy or dapper ?
[07:39] <deviant> Even though I put universe and multiverse in the sources.list
[07:39] <deviant> Breezy
[07:39] <nixternal> well...i haven't really quit drinking...i just didn't drink today ;p
[07:39] <deviant> Well commented out
[07:39] <imbrandon> not sure, i havent used breezy in so long
[07:39] <imbrandon> lol @ nixternal
[07:39] <nixternal> im using breezy...with no x-windows though
[07:40] <imbrandon> yea my server is breezy lol
[07:40] <imbrandon> should say server(s)
[07:40] <imbrandon> all upgraded from debian
[07:40] <nixternal> hehe...i have breezy...debian sarge & etch....solaris 10...and openbsd
[07:41] <nixternal> and win2k3 ;p
[07:41] <nixternal> gotta do ad testing with nix workstations
[07:41] <imbrandon> i take that back my xbox cluster has gentoo but thats mostly becouse i'm to lazy to compile a ubuntu kernel for xbox
[07:41] <nixternal> gahhhahaha
[07:41] <nixternal> the xbox cluster
[07:41] <nixternal> had to bring that up again
[07:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:41] <nixternal> i have been on ebay dreamin'
[07:41] <nixternal> ;D
[07:41] <imbrandon> i love that thing ;)
[07:42] <deviant> Think I found a way around it.. Alien'ed a rpm of mplayer
[07:42] <deviant> made it a .deb package
[07:42] <imbrandon> deviant: its better to fix you other problem it will likely save you trubble in the long run
[07:43] <deviant> I can't figure out what the problem is though.. It's in the sources.list but I commented out every deb
[07:43] <imbrandon> you mean uncommented ?
[07:43] <deviant> yea
[07:44] <deviant> Took the # off
[07:44] <imbrandon> hold on
[07:45] <imbrandon> pastebin is loading SLOW lol
[07:46] <imbrandon> deviant: it should look like this only with "breezy" in place of all the "dapper"  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/729091   thats my sources.list
[07:47] <HymnToLife> here's my sources.list (Breey) : http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/stuff/sources.list
[07:52] <nixternal> my little script kiddy ass neighbor is war driving up and down the street with his pda...this kid is like 14 years old...he is insane...
[07:52] <imbrandon> lol
[07:52] <imbrandon> sounds like my neighborhood
[07:53] <nixternal> my god
[07:53] <nixternal> he comes to the door and i like wth rich...your wireless is open
[07:53] <nixternal> i told him go ahead and connect
[07:53] <nixternal> hopefully he knows how to spoof his mac
[07:53] <imbrandon> heh
[07:54] <n3storm> hi
[07:54] <nixternal> Current weather for Chicago / West Chicago, Dupage Airport : Clear skies, Temperature: 45F, Pressure: 30.11" Hg, Wind: 0 MPH
[07:54] <nixternal> i just figured that out
[07:54] <nixternal> wth
[07:54] <nixternal> wrong channel
[07:54] <nixternal> sorry
[07:54] <nixternal> ;d
[07:55] <deviant> Thanks guys don't know what was wrong with mine, But Imbrandon your sources.list worked for me.
[07:56] <nixternal> i had no clue there were hidden lil scripts
[07:56] <imbrandon> np
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> argh!!! why is my script in /etc/rc5.d/ not running on startup???
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> it's just NOT starting. i can run it manually and it works
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> but it just won't run on startup
[08:09] <nixternal`zZzz> nite nite kubuntu
[08:12] <nixternal`zZzz> imbrandon: the room is all yours.....nite
[08:13] <imbrandon> heh gnight
[08:37] <MasterEvilAce> crap. I messed up something
[08:37] <MasterEvilAce> my computer boots in a loop now
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, hm?
[08:46] <Zaire> ummmm anyone know how to get mp3 playback on kubuntu dapper?
[08:46] <noiesmo> Zaire, yes
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell Zaire about mp3
[08:47] <Zaire> cool thx
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[08:49] <prashantk76> hi guys i have display problem(Toshiba, P3, Tridant display,Xubuntu install)after 3 min it automatically off (if i use keybord it works but if i use mouse off)
[08:58] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: I start my computer.. grub shows up, it continues, then my comp restarts completely.. i tried recovery mode, command line mode, etc. it always reboots
[08:59] <MasterEvilAce> maybe it's a heat issue.. the computer is damn hot
[09:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, does it reboot at the same point?
[09:00] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[09:01] <crazy_penguin> morning! //jo reggelt!
[09:02] <admin__> any good kde tuts some where ?   pm me pls
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, what point is it?
[09:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> admin__, look at the help files. what do you want to do?
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi crazy_penguin
[09:03] <admin__> dunno just install some stuff im a windows boon so :P
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> admin__, try help.ubuntu.com
[09:03] <admin__> okz thnx !
[09:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[09:05] <Hobbsee> !apt-get
[09:05] <ubotu> apt-get is probably http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/apt-howto.en.txt (in depth) and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto
[09:05] <Hobbsee> admin__: see wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:05] <admin__> is there a good program 2 see what u have on ur pc like a spec list ? that it go's on ur desktop ?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> admin__: system, kinfocentre
[09:08] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: I start it, i see bios screen, grub comes up , says hit ESC for menu, counts down 3 seconds.. it continues, and reboots
[09:08] <MasterEvilAce> so after the 3 seconds
[09:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, can you boot a different kernel?
[09:09] <MasterEvilAce> no, nor any of the recovery ones
[09:09] <noiesmo> sounds like a livecd rescue job MasterEvilAce
[09:10] <MasterEvilAce> what option do i use on the livecd?
[09:10] <MasterEvilAce> ok it says "Booting 'Ubuntu..." whatever and then restarts at that point
[09:11] <noiesmo> i'd use knoppix the chroot in mount proc get internet access and try reinsatll kernelimage
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, start the live cd normaly
[09:11] <MasterEvilAce> ok, i'm there
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi drgonzo
[09:12] <drgonzo> is anyone else finding kontact is struggling to run properly
[09:12] <drgonzo> hello Kamping_Kaiser
[09:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, now open a terminal (konsole)
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, do you know what partition number your ubuntu install is?
[09:13] <drgonzo> hello all
[09:13] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: nope
[09:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, ok. then run 'cat /proc/partitions' to get a list of your partitions
[09:20] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: okay.. it shows up as major 3, minor 1, hda1
[09:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, did you do a default ubuntu install?
[09:21] <drgonzo> btw, if anyone elses kmail is running extremely slow, what fixed it for me was deleted all the .index files and letting kde recreate them.
[09:21] <drgonzo> seemed they must of got corrupted.
[09:22] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: kubuntu, but yeah i let it do all the partitioning and all of that itself
[09:22] <drgonzo> later all
[09:22] <MasterEvilAce> it was working, i was installing stuff and setting up stuff how i want it, restarted and now it boots in a loop
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, sorry, kubuntu :). so in our temrinal type 'sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt`
[09:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, i suspect you removed a bit to enthusiasticly
[09:23] <MasterEvilAce> not sure :P ok i ran that command
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you type `ls /mnt` you should see your install, mounted into the live cd
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you can, type `sudo chroot /mnt`
[09:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> then *do not* type `rm` at any point while you have the terminal open :)
[09:26] <MasterEvilAce> alright, got it
[09:26] <MasterEvilAce> any command to have it run through checks to see what it's failing on?
[09:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> after you type the 'chroot' command it should say something like ubuntu@kubuntu
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> we are about to get there :)
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> root@ubuntu
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[09:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, whats your cpu?
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> it's a pentium III 1ghz i think. it's a dell inspiron (laptop)
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool. 686.
[09:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, try running `apt-get update` then `apt-get install linux-686`
[09:32] <Zaire> is kubuntu dapper supposed to be using Synaptic package manager cause mine isnt
[09:32] <MasterEvilAce> eon3
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Zaire, no its not
[09:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should be using adept afiak
[09:33] <Zaire> then for enabling how am I supposed to remove place holders
[09:33] <Zaire> for repositories
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Zaire, i asume adept handles that. you could also look at help.ubuntu.com in the kubuntu section
[09:34] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: Alright done
[09:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, does it install stuff?
[09:34] <MasterEvilAce> yeah it did all that
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> *if* it installed new kernels, you can type `exit` to quit the chroot, then type `cd /` and `sudo umount /mnt` in your terminal
[09:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> then reboot and try to boot off the hard drive
[09:38] <Zaire> its not very enlightening this help thing on the site I mean I understand what needs to be done its just figuring out what repository is what or even if the one Im looking for is in there :S
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: seems to be working!
[09:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, :)
[09:40] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks. that should have just cleaned up the core files, and not mess with any settings, right?
[09:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, it shoudl have installed a new kernel, and the restricted modles to go with it. not touched any other apps or settings
[09:41] <MasterEvilAce> cool, thanks again. boots fine
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> sweet.
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont remove your only kernel again *waves finger*
[09:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:43] <aftertaf> looool
[09:43] <aftertaf> kk dunno what you meant, but i did that too :)
[09:43] <aftertaf> livecd + chroot + apt-cdrom add
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol aftertaf
[09:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[09:44] <aftertaf> hi
[09:44] <aftertaf> you on about the 2.16-15.22 kernel that vfs panicked ?
[09:45] <Zaire> damnit now I can't even open adept  :S
[09:45] <aftertaf> Zaire, why?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: oh dear...who removed their only kernel?
[09:45] <Hobbsee> hi aftertaf
[09:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf, we had a 'it wont start' problem. turned out to be no kernel installed
[09:45] <aftertaf> lol
[09:45] <aftertaf> i removed all but one
[09:46] <aftertaf> it worked when i killed the others.... i think it felt lonely in my /boot... ;)
[09:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey Hobbsee. proffessional silence binds me *Points at MasterEvilAce *
[09:46] <Zaire> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[09:46] <aftertaf> Zaire,  and?? ... :/
[09:46] <Zaire> was working fine then down it went
[09:46] <aftertaf> !kernelpanic
[09:46] <ubotu> aftertaf: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:47] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: hehe!
[09:47] <MasterEvilAce> lol, if it DID get removed.. i have no idea how
[09:48] <aftertaf> ubotu, kernelpanic is If you have removed all working kernels and are a bit stuck.... Grab a livedvd, boot to it, mount your old /, chroot to it, add dvd to sources.list and apt-get install another :)
[09:48] <ubotu> aftertaf: okay
[09:48] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:48] <Zaire> the command that error message says to use apparently doesn exist acording to commandline
[09:48] <Hobbsee> oh is that a kernel panic?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[09:48] <aftertaf> Zaire, try sudo apt-get update
[09:48] <MasterEvilAce> argh! my /etc/rc5.d/ script STILL won't load at startup
[09:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf, kernel panic could be otehr stuff as well
[09:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, what script?
[09:49] <aftertaf> yeah i know that... but if you need a working kernel...
[09:49] <Zaire> just tried and I got this message............E: Type 'akode-mpeg' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:49] <aftertaf> Zaire, pastebin your sources.list
[09:49] <aftertaf> in /etc/apt
[09:50] <MasterEvilAce> found a script to map my laptop's special keys (volume up/down, play, stop, previous , next) using xmodmap. it works when i call it, but it's not getting called on startup
[09:50] <markc> is there a kubuntu/Qt version of the update-manager package ?
[09:50] <aftertaf> MasterEvilAce, how did you istall it? just put it in rc5.
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, is it executable? also i think you wil find rc5 si the rong place
[09:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> *is wrong
[09:50] <aftertaf> ?
[09:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> 2 would be ok.
[09:51] <macd> markc: Id use synaptic it seems to be the best, plus its a debian project (I think)
[09:51] <Zaire> how do you pastebin?
[09:51] <aftertaf> MasterEvilAce, use update-rc.d to add it to /etc/init.d ;)
[09:51] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[09:51] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[09:51] <Kadran> hi all, does win4lin can be installed on kubuntu?
[09:51] <markc> macd> does it do automatic updates ?
[09:51] <aftertaf> paste your sources.list there and give us the link
[09:52] <macd> markc: no you should let adept_updater handle that.
[09:52] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: searched google, it told me to make a script in /etc/init.d i think and make it executable. then add a symlink to /etc/rc5.d, and to run that update-rc.d command. i did all that and it's not working still
[09:52] <Zaire> done
[09:52] <aftertaf> ok
[09:52] <Zaire> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14451
[09:52] <markc> macd> adept_updater. never heard of it, thanks
[09:52] <macd> markc: its in kde.
[09:53] <macd> markc: and installed by default by kubuntu
[09:53] <aftertaf> looking
[09:53] <aftertaf> Zaire, get rid of line one ;)
[09:53] <aftertaf> thats your pb :)
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, rcS.d or rc5.d?  :O
[09:53] <markc> macd> so if I install kubuntu-desktop I should get whatever package it's in then
[09:53] <macd> markc: yep
[09:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> MasterEvilAce, try rc2.d
[09:54] <aftertaf> Zaire, or better still.... replace it with mine... you're on dapper so its cool ;)
[09:54] <MasterEvilAce> Kamping_Kaiser: 5 (Five), alright i'll try 2
[09:54] <macd> markc: if for some reason it doesnt, in konsole. 'sudo apt-get install adept adept-updater'
[09:54] <Zaire> well that did it it opens now
[09:55] <markc> macd> thanks for the tips... I usually only ever use apt-get
[09:55] <aftertaf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14452
[09:55] <markc> macd> I mean, I don't usually use any gui apt applications... it'll be interesting to see what adept is like
[09:55] <Zaire> and apt-get update is running to
[09:55] <aftertaf> Zaire, that way you'll have universe & multiverse enabled too... more software :)
[09:56] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser, shouldn't he use update-rc.d IMHO?
[09:56] <macd> markc: I still prefer apt and aptitude over the gui ones, but they do give more information.,
[09:56] <aftertaf> macd, the gui give more info?
[09:57] <macd> aftertaf: it gives package descriptions and sometimes a synopsis of the changelog b/t versions.
[09:57] <aftertaf> true... but there is apt-cache show too.
[09:58] <Zaire> so how do I add those lines to the file?
[09:58] <aftertaf> man apt-cache ;)
[09:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf, yes ideally. but i dont add new stuff to my services (i only turn existing ones off), so i dont know the details of that
[09:58] <aftertaf> Zaire, gnome or kde?
[09:58] <Zaire> kde
[09:58] <Zaire> gnome sucks lol
[09:58] <aftertaf> Zaire, ok. type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:59] <aftertaf> then paste, save, and apt-get update.
[09:59] <macd> dappers of the chain with these updates tonight, 122 of them :/
[10:00] <aftertaf> man update-rc.d is quite readable... ;)
[10:00] <aftertaf> for once
[10:00] <Hobbsee> heh...for once
[10:00] <Zaire> will those lines help fix k3b to? or is there something else
[10:01] <aftertaf> they will...but what is the breakage?
[10:01] <Zaire> place holder issue for audio
[10:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf, yes, but i have no need to read it :)
[10:03] <aftertaf> for general culture, man!!!!! jeez :)
[10:04] <Zaire> ?
[10:04] <aftertaf> place holder issue? wazzat?
[10:05] <Zaire> audio
[10:05] <aftertaf> zaire, type dpkg -l | grep k3b
[10:05] <aftertaf> what do you have? (pastebin maybe ;)   )
[10:06] <aftertaf> Zaire, did you do your apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:06] <Zaire> its a file format issue on restricted format basically nothing I can pastebin anywho :S
[10:06] <aftertaf> mp3 burning to audio?
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf, lol. i do enough of that anyway
[10:08] <aftertaf> anyone hot on lvm/evms?
[10:09] <aftertaf> i wanna migrate my / to evms, dynamic disk...
[10:09] <aftertaf> lool
[10:09] <aftertaf> !lart Kamping_Kaiser
[10:09] <aftertaf> well, that worked a lot..... :/
[10:10] <Hobbsee> they disabled it
[10:10] <aftertaf> oh ok .
[10:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[10:10] <aftertaf> whats the pb kk?
[10:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> aftertaf, cant get it to boot. i think grubs not installing on the mbr properly
[10:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i have a 12x cdrom drive. (left the fast ones at work... sigh)
[10:13] <solid_liq> aftertaf: why not use LVM instead?
[10:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> why are you using lvm aftertaf ?
[10:13] <Zaire> more or less mpeg yeps I had some of my CD's ripped for going to a lan party so I wouldn't have to take up any drives for installing my games and well one of them was kinda blown up in my one cd drive and now not only is the cd thrashed but the drive is to :S
[10:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> brb
[10:14] <Zaire> but managed to save the audio files thankfully
[10:15] <Zaire> and i'll say this much its a pain only having 1 drive in your computer :S
[10:16] <aftertaf> oops.
[10:16] <aftertaf> Kamping_Kaiser, argh!
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> !
[10:16] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Kamping_Kaiser
[10:16] <aftertaf> solid_liq, well it seems that lvm & evms are related, but evms is actually easier to manage.
[10:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[10:17] <aftertaf> and i want lvm/evms (dynamic disks) to have partition freedom
[10:17] <aftertaf> resize and all that
[10:17] <solid_liq> aftertaf: I personnally like LVM better, it seems to be more reliable
[10:17] <Zaire> so you know how to fix that with k3b?
[10:17] <aftertaf> Zaire, an exploded cdrom drive? no :)
[10:18] <aftertaf> solid_liq, for now ive swithced my home to evms.
[10:18] <aftertaf> i want to migrate my :
[10:18] <aftertaf> my /
[10:18] <aftertaf> all but /boot, iirc...
[10:18] <Zaire> no no the place holder for burning lol I had saved the audio from my exploded CD but can't do anything with k3b
[10:18] <solid_liq> ah, are you sure root evms partitions are supported by kubuntu?
[10:18] <aftertaf> Zaire, burn to iso?
[10:19] <aftertaf> solid_liq, i think so... all but /boot.
[10:19] <aftertaf> but i'm not sure.....
[10:19] <Zaire> yeps audio cd it was one of my favs to lol
[10:19] <aftertaf> Zaire, cant you choose to burn the ISO?
[10:19] <solid_liq> aftertaf: better check before you render your system unusable
[10:19] <Zaire> ummm oh you mean is it an iso
[10:19] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:19] <aftertaf> not touvhing anything else yet...
[10:19] <Zaire> nope its mp3 files
[10:20] <aftertaf> Zaire, choose to burn an audio cd, then just to only burn the image.... does that work?
[10:20] <Zaire> nope tried that it says it can't read or basically use the file format from what I get form it
[10:22] <Zaire> it says Unable to handle the following files due to unsupported format
[10:22] <Zaire> and it does that before I can do anything with creating an ISO
[10:23] <aftertaf> Zaire, you are missing a package
[10:23] <aftertaf> libk3b2-mp3
[10:23] <aftertaf> solid_liq, evms can manage lvm among other, right?
[10:24] <rus> hi all
[10:24] <solid_liq> aftertaf: I don't think so
[10:24] <rus> have this problem:
[10:24] <Zaire> that package wasn't found :S
[10:24] <aftertaf> Zaire, apt-get update?
[10:24] <aftertaf> before?
[10:25] <Zaire> did that right after the changes I made
[10:25] <rus> alsa keeps switching from the sound card to my tvtuner as the default sound device
[10:25] <rus> how do i force it to use the sound card only?
[10:25] <aftertaf> Zaire, its in universe.
[10:25] <Zaire> k confused lol
[10:26] <aftertaf> Zaire, repaste your sources.list if u want. ill recheck.
[10:28] <Zaire> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14453
[10:29] <Zaire> always a good thing lol'
[10:29] <aftertaf> Zaire, line one is commented out... either uncomment it, or add to the end of line 10 universe multiverse.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> !repos
[10:29] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:29] <aftertaf> if you uncomment line 1 , comment out 10.
[10:30] <kosh> Hobbsee: well I find that good hardware makes the problems go away, my sound problems stopped when I first get an sblive :)
[10:30] <aftertaf> do the same with lines 15+16. add uni & multi, then comment out line 2 , or comment out lines 15+16 and leave line 2
[10:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:30] <Zaire> ? :S
[10:30] <Hobbsee> go figure.  :P
[10:31] <kosh> considering that an emu10k1/emu10k2 card goes for abotu $30 now unless you have a laptop it is just easier and more sane to replace the hardware
[10:32] <aftertaf> Zaire, see my corrections... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14454
[10:32] <aftertaf> my sound stopped working yesterday too.
[10:32] <aftertaf> no sound, just like that no error....
[10:32] <kosh> I prefer to avoid laptops
[10:32] <aftertaf> same this morning.
[10:32] <erofee> hi all
[10:33] <turrican> moin
[10:33] <aftertaf> Hobbsee, it was the mixer that had reset to zero volume :)
[10:33] <erofee> can anyone help me with a problem with apt-get
[10:33] <Zaire> so I take it Im supposed to erase all the original text and input changes lol'
[10:33] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: ah, great
[10:33] <turrican> speak english only here?
[10:33] <Hobbsee> that'll do it
[10:33] <aftertaf> Zaire, yeah :)
[10:33] <Hobbsee> turrican: yes
[10:33] <Hobbsee> what language were you after?
[10:33] <aftertaf> erofee, fire away
[10:33] <Zaire> k thought I would check with my track record of deleting things lol
[10:33] <turrican> hobbsee: ok, than i try it
[10:33] <aftertaf> lol zaire :)
[10:34] <aftertaf> you can even delete all the lines with a #..... just clutter now;
[10:34] <erofee> i keep getting "couldn't stat source package list" errors
[10:34] <erofee> i am using breezy
[10:34] <aftertaf> erofee, paste your sources.list ;)
[10:34] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[10:34] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[10:34] <erofee> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.cc.columbia.edu_pub_software_kde_stable_3.5.1_kubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:34] <erofee> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.mirrorservice.org breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.mirrorservice.org_sites_ftp.kde.org_pub_kde_stable_3.5.1_kubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:34] <erofee> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/bolugftp.uni-bonn.de_pub_kde_stable_3.5.1_kubuntu_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:34] <erofee> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[10:34] <aftertaf> noooooooo
[10:34] <aftertaf> pastebin...
[10:34] <Zaire> *sigh* damn still unsupported lol
[10:34] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[10:34] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[10:35] <erofee> sorry, will do it there
[10:35] <aftertaf> Zaire, grr.... :/
[10:35] <Zaire> srry maybe should just mod my partition and install xp pro for this lol
[10:35] <aftertaf> erofee, that is not a standard sources.list........
[10:35] <aftertaf> Zaire, argh!
[10:35] <aftertaf> erofee, see easysources.
[10:35] <aftertaf> !easysources
[10:35] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, aftertaf
[10:35] <aftertaf> !repos
[10:35] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[10:36] <aftertaf> !tell  erofee about easysource
[10:36] <Zaire> I know Im unlucky lol no worries i'll figure it out sooner or later
[10:37] <aftertaf> Zaire, how many packages do you have when you type dpkg -l | grep k3b
[10:37] <aftertaf> -l = a small L  and not a 1(one)
[10:37] <erofee> thanks i will give all this a try and get back if i am still having problems
[10:37] <Zaire> 4
[10:37] <aftertaf> hmm ok.
[10:38] <aftertaf> Zaire, try with another mp3. maybe corrupt mp3z?
[10:38] <aftertaf> ok erofee :)    those repositories look quite custom ;)
[10:38] <Zaire> nopes it does same with all so far
[10:39] <aftertaf> Zaire, dcc send me one, i'll try if u want.
[10:39] <Zaire> could try another backup of files
[10:39] <erofee> can anyone tell me where to find the sources list on my box?
[10:40] <Zaire> I try to keep a backup for all of my fav cd's for that just incase another cd blows up thing lol
[10:40] <imbrandon> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <erofee> thanks
[10:41] <Zaire> oh boy can't mount cd now lol Im just one problem after another lol
[10:42] <Xemanth^> umount /dev/hdc ?
[10:43] <aftertaf> Zaire, in use?
[10:43] <Zaire> yeps
[10:43] <mikmak> hello, I just installed knetworkmanager, but it does not seem to be able to connect to the dbus backend , as it says knetworkmanager was logged out apparently, any idea ? :)
[10:43] <rus_> umount -f /dev/hdc
[10:43] <aftertaf> Zaire, and check you dont have a console open and in that directory.
[10:44] <Zaire> only one open and its in my home directory
[10:44] <Zaire> is write protected is busy is already mounted :S
[10:45] <Zaire> I get all 3 messages in one lol
[10:45] <rus_> umount -l /dev/hdc
[10:46] <Zaire> I do that remount it and refresh to see file list and it gives me the same message :S
[10:48] <Zaire> could it be that the directory for the drive doesn't exist?
[10:49] <Zaire> hmmmmm nothing in the mnt directory
[10:50] <Zaire> sigh oook then I somehow have the drive rerouted to a directory outside of mnt lol
[10:52] <Zaire> aftertaf: ok confirmed the files from my cd aren't corrupt I just tried another files from one of my backup cds and same thing not supported
[10:52] <aftertaf> Zaire, may be because k3b thinks you still have a cd burner.
[10:52] <aftertaf> not usre
[10:52] <aftertaf> sure
[10:53] <Zaire> I don't think so cause the program says unsupported format and then give the name of the file below which is a .mp3
[10:57] <Zaire> well its getting late I may be back on tomorrow but might try my partition mod with horridly crappy xp lol
[10:58] <Zaire> thx for the help
[11:01] <aftertaf> weird. maybe he doesnt have the codecs elsewhere.
[11:01] <aftertaf> oh well.
[11:05] <ubuntu> i'm trying to install grub right... installation couldnt handle it by itself (using XFS as my main linux partition)...
[11:06] <assclown> so i booted into the kubuntu livecd, and then goto Konsole... "grub-install /dev/hda"
[11:07] <assclown> it replies "mkdir:: cannot create directory '/boot/grub': Permission Denied
[11:07] <assclown> how do i remove it from this "safety mode" sort of thing ?
[11:07] <assclown> (ie. read only mode)
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> try sudo
[11:09] <assclown> ?
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> run grub-install with sudo
[11:12] <assclown> ok i did it
[11:12] <assclown> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[11:12] <assclown> Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
[11:12] <assclown> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[11:12] <assclown> :(
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl
[11:17] <Bilford_> big update today
[11:18] <luksan> seems like there's a big update every hour
[11:18] <Bilford_> lol
[11:19] <luksan> seriously, i do a full upgrade and half an hour later there's 20 packages waiting to go from r23 to r24
[11:20] <Bilford_> you dont have to upgrade
[11:20] <Bilford_> it would suck if youre on dialup
[11:20] <Bilford_> I guess people on dialup arent likely to download the beta CD though
[11:22] <luksan> i know, but i like less bugs
[11:24] <Bilford_> is there a list of changes somewhere
[11:24] <Bilford_> for each upgrade
[11:26] <aftertaf> dapper days await us.
[11:26] <assclown> why cant i access my hard drives ?
[11:26] <assclown> errr hard drive even
[11:26] <aftertaf> be prepared, and apt-get away
[11:26] <assclown> with the livecd...
[11:26] <aftertaf> assclown, mount it.
[11:27] <assclown> how
[11:27] <assclown> it is hda
[11:27] <aftertaf> what is the device name (ie hdb4)
[11:27] <aftertaf> hda 1/2/3/4?
[11:28] <assclown> hda1 = XP, hda2 = linux... XFS, hda5 = linux swap, HDA6 = fat 32 common share
[11:28] <aftertaf> ok. make a new directory in /mnt or /media
[11:29] <aftertaf> then type  mount /dev/hda[number]  /mnt/[newdir] 
[11:30] <aftertaf> that ok assclown ?
[11:31] <assclown> im in the livecd...
[11:31] <assclown> and it keeps f*ckingg saying access denied :/
[11:31] <assclown> it is as if the hard drive is in "read only" mode...
[11:31] <assclown> im trying to install grub, but it just wont let me
[11:31] <Bilford_> isnt the LiveCD read only
[11:32] <aftertaf> Bilford_, the cd itself yeah, the rest is in memory
[11:32] <Bilford_> I mean, read only as in , you cant affect the HD
[11:33] <assclown> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo grub-install /dev/hda
[11:33] <assclown> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[11:33] <assclown> it just wont work :/
[11:33] <aftertaf> Bilford_, you can igf ou mount it
[11:34] <assclown> this is on my laptop...
[11:34] <aftertaf> assclown, what you trying to do? recover grub?
[11:34] <assclown> im trying to INSTALL grub
[11:34] <aftertaf> assclown, chroot to your HDD root
[11:34] <assclown> o_O
[11:34] <aftertaf> !chroot
[11:34] <ubotu> hmm... chroot is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[11:35] <aftertaf> assclown, i did this to reinstall a new kernel on my hdd from the livecd
[11:36] <aftertaf> you create a mountmoint,mount your drive then chroot /mnt/themountpointinquestion
[11:36] <assclown> i cant mount the drive...
[11:37] <aftertaf> assclown, what are you typing to try?
[11:37] <aftertaf> !grub
[11:37] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[11:38] <assclown> an i pm you what i've tried ? (5 lines or so)
[11:38] <assclown> can*
[11:38] <aftertaf> yes.
[11:38] <aftertaf> or paste to #aftertaf
[12:00] <aftertaf> anyone help with this pb when chrooting to HDD root in livecd?   :  sudo: unable to lookup ubuntu via gethostbyname()
[12:09] <dumbkiwi> anyone know what:
[12:09] <dumbkiwi> (Reading database ... E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[12:10] <dumbkiwi> means when upgrading/installing packages?
[12:51] <jel> how much space does /boot require ?
[12:52] <jel> i know you cannot install grub to an XFS partition (and get it to boot it)
[12:52] <jel> so im thinking i should just make another small partition for /boot ?
[12:58] <turrican> where i can download a kubuntu dapper drake dvd-iso?
[01:02] <rpedro> turrican: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[01:06] <HymnToLife> !isos
[01:06] <ubotu> HymnToLife: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:07] <HymnToLife> !isos
[01:07] <ubotu> CD and DVD ISOs for Ubuntu / Kubuntu can be downloaded from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[01:07] <HymnToLife> :)
[01:17] <trym> is there an easy way of getting svn to support https ?
[01:21] <klerfayt> is there a way to enable aoss in konqueror (besides "aoss konqueror") like it can be done in firefox?
[01:35] <klerfayt> ok... how I turn off slpash (framebuffer)? vga=normal and splash=0?
[01:52] <drgonzo> hey fellas I think there is something up with the packaged kmail in kubuntu dapper
[01:53] <drgonzo> It's freezing up for about 30/40 seconds with any actions like deleting an email or moving it. I thought it might of been a corrupted index files so i regenerated them but It didn't fix the problem once new emails came back... It started again I've got some errors with kmail starting too
[01:53] <drgonzo> http://paste.uni.cc/9095
[01:53] <drgonzo> Here is some of it
[01:53] <drgonzo> also kmail crashes sometimes with the standard "ERROR: Communication problem with kmail, it probably crashed."
[01:54] <drgonzo> It's acting like my system resources are being used up and lagging, but they arn't very little is used...
[01:56] <drgonzo> http://paste.uni.cc/9095
[01:56] <drgonzo> error sorry
[01:56] <drgonzo> it's also complaing about a stale lockfile
[01:56] <drgonzo> [21:57]  <drgonzo> and when it close it off, it doesn't fully exit.
[01:58] <drgonzo> WeaverThreadLogger: thread (ID: 1) destroyed. ??
[02:21] <mhterres> morning
[02:22] <drgonzo> I might try reinstalling kmail package
[02:22] <drgonzo> who knows might fix the problem
[02:23] <drgonzo> I've posted a bug report too btw.
[02:23] <Obst> hi
[02:24] <dennis-> hmm, my xmms is skipping whenever there's load on the machine, anyone knows how to fix that?
[02:24] <Search4Lancer> how do I remove old kernel versions?
[02:25] <drgonzo> mmm ok when re-installing the packages I've got some more info
[02:25] <drgonzo> It's complaing about assigning it to a group that doesn't exist, Could this be a poorly created deb package?
[02:27] <dennis-> hmm, other questions, is the xine engine used by amarok not able to use arts for sound output?
[02:27] <klerfayt> dennis-: try avoiding arts
[02:28] <dennis-> klerfayt: why?
[02:28] <klerfayt> kl
[02:28] <klerfayt> oops
[02:30] <Hobbsee> !ping
[02:30] <ubotu> pong
[02:30] <firepol> hi, ive just upgraded to (kubuntu) dapper
[02:32] <firepol> i dont understand why if i run "gaim" from the konsole i get it opened. if i click the gaim icon in the "internet" groupo, it loads but then it closes
[02:32] <dennis-> klerfayt: why?
[02:33] <klerfayt> dennis-: arts is dead
[02:33] <dennis-> klerfayt: what should i use then?
[02:33] <klerfayt> dennis-: use alsa
[02:34] <dennis-> klerfayt: does it support multiple apps accessing the sound device?
[02:35] <klerfayt> dennis-: yes, alsa uses dmix if your soundcard doesn't do hardware mixing
[02:35] <dennis-> klerfayt: ok, thank you
[02:37] <klerfayt> xfs or ext3 ?
[02:37] <Obst> i have installed kubuntu 64 bit now, are the apps from apt all 64bit compatible?
[02:40] <firepol> obst, 32 bit applications should be compatible. the questrion is if all packages are 64 bit or some are only 32 bit
[02:51] <damitha> hi, i am running kubuntu on laptop and my screen goes off after inactivity. The problem the screen wont come up after any mousu clicks or keys
[02:52] <damitha> anybody hav any idea?
[02:52] <admin__> drivers ?
[02:52] <admin__> u downloaded all drivers for ur laptopz?
[02:54] <damitha> yep everything is smooth only problem i have is the black screen after certain time of inactivity
[02:55] <damitha> and can't get it back online...i ahve to restart the xserever with ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:55] <admin__> uhmz
[02:55] <admin__> put of the thing that turns it to black after idle :P
[02:59] <damitha> i don't haven't turned onnscreen saver as well
[03:10] <wacko> http://pastebin.com/730980 i get this error when compiling xmoto
[03:12] <Hobbsee> wacko: try installing liblua50 and try again
[03:12] <wacko> Hobbsee: what is the name of lib lua
[03:12] <Hobbsee> liblua50
[03:12] <Hobbsee> !info liblua50
[03:12] <wacko>  powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications.
[03:12] <wacko> '
[03:12] <ubotu> liblua50: (Main interpreter library for the Lua 5.0 programming language), section libs, is optional. Version: 5.0.2-5 (breezy), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
[03:13] <Hobbsee> liblua50-dev if the first one doesnt work
[03:17] <wacko> i have those installed and still get the errors
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:46] <klerfayt> I got ugly fonts in pdf
[03:46] <klerfayt> do I need msstcorefonts?
[03:53] <davidhouse> which packages do i need to play m4as in kaffeine?
[04:11] <julian> anyone can help me to switch to kdm?
[04:11] <klerfayt> julian: isn't kubuntu using kdm by default?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg --reconfigure kdm
[04:11] <Hobbsee> i think
[04:11] <Hobbsee> may be without the re
[04:12] <julian> no, im using gdm
[04:12] <klerfayt> julian: in kubuntu?
[04:12] <julian> no
[04:12] <julian> im gonna try
[04:14] <julian> bye, thanks
[04:19] <DaSkreech> MasterEvilAce: Hello
[04:20] <klerfayt> is the latest dapper iso "flight 7" ?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:21] <klerfayt> Hobbsee: can I get newer somehow?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> there are daily cds
[04:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which ones are recommended for testing?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> recent ubiquity or something?
[04:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yesterdays live CD would be good
[04:22] <Riddell> klerfayt: ^^
[04:23] <Riddell> hmm, that's oversized too
[04:23] <kasim> hi there, will dapper Kubuntu support xorg-multiseat features (that is: 2people working on one Kubuntu_PC, everybody with monitor, mouse, keybord) ?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: define "yesterday"
[04:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yesterday UTC :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> @time
[04:23] <Ubugtu> Current time in UTC: May 22 2006, 14:23:54
[04:23] <Hobbsee> right
[04:24] <Riddell> actually flight 7 with updated ubiquity ubiquity-frontend-kde and qtparted would be good too
[04:24] <Hobbsee> neat plugin that :P
[04:24] <Hobbsee> how big are cds usually?  680mb or something?  650?
[04:24] <Riddell> aseigo_dead: pong?
[04:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we do 700MB now
[04:25] <Riddell> some CD-Rs are 650 so you can't use those
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ah yes, the ones here are 700...cool...
[04:26] <klerfayt> is there somewhere newer iso than "flight7" hidden? ftp.estpak.ee/ubuntu/
[04:26] <goldenear> We'll there be a netinstall of ubuntu ?
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> There already is its in the netboot/ directory called mini.iso
[04:27] <goldenear> So the Boot CD would be only 100MB and you could choose Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc... at install
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> Its 8mb
[04:28] <goldenear> nice
[04:28] <goldenear> but with 8MB you won't be able to install a base system...
[04:30] <klerfayt> dapper/main/daily-installer-i386/current is latest?
[04:30] <v3ctor> base system comes from net on netinstall
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper/main/daily-installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> You take everything from the network
[04:31] <nixternal`afk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE1XQyT_IbA&feature=Views&page=2&t=t&f=b
[04:31] <nixternal`afk> drool
[04:31] <klerfayt> h3sp4wn: this is like the latest stuff?
[04:31] <v3ctor> netinstaller  = kernel, shell, installer !pkgs
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> It also allows you install without a keyboard or monitor (if none are found it defaults to console on ttyS0) - Thats why I found out about it
[04:32] <klerfayt> nixternal`afk: you can see him typing password
[04:33] <nixternal`afk> haha
[04:33] <nixternal`afk> i know
[04:33] <nixternal`afk> but still...that is one hell of a setup
[04:33] <nixternal`afk> 3 os's...xgl/compiz style...but not just desktop switching...he is os switching
[04:33] <nixternal`afk> his ubuntu boots up just a tad bit quicker than mine
[04:34] <nixternal`afk> klerfayt: only hax0rz see the password being typed ;)
[04:40] <klerfayt> Text-mode install CD will install the same kubuntu as desktop cd?
[04:41] <troy> klerfayt: yes
[04:58] <_pascal> Is it possible to get visulizations for amarok on a kubuntu deb-mirror?
[04:58] <uwo> hi all. how do i burn .bin files?
[05:00] <_pascal> doesnt k3b support bin files?
[05:02] <Topcass> hi anyone ever heard of an anoying butwhere every so often the keyboard forgets to register a couple of keresses?
[05:03] <Topcass> the oddness of the above message proves my problem about how annoying it is
[05:04] <klerfayt> Topcass: what machine you got?
[05:04] <Topcass> and there are no issues under windows (dont hate me) so it has to be a lunix/kubuntu thingi think
[05:04] <Topcass> acer laptop 1681LCi
[05:06] <riri> Hi
[05:06] <riri> how too create a lilo or grab in dapper 7 ?
[05:06] <bleaked> does anyone know the LAN kio slave package?
[05:06] <riri> the installation doesn't seem to do a dual boot ?
[05:07] <Topcass> any ideas klerfayt?
[05:07] <klerfayt> Topcass: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/acer.html
[05:07] <riri> nixternal : i use firestarter
[05:07] <Topcass> this keyboard mess is the only thing stopping me from using linux full time on this laptop
[05:08] <Topcass> cheers will have a look
[05:08] <_jesus> hi!
[05:09] <klerfayt> hello _jesus
[05:09] <kosh> I don't like that jesus guy, he has a horrible respawn time ;)
[05:10] <kosh> someone should check his connection ;)
[05:10] <klerfayt> kosh: you mean ping?
[05:10] <kosh> I think it is way more then ping
[05:11] <klerfayt> kosh: I'm new to irc; what are you trying to say?
[05:11] <Topcass> kleraty: thanks but still no keyboard issues reported :(
[05:11] <kosh> klerfayt: it is a joke
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:12] <kosh> klerfayt: you now the whole jesus died 2000 years ago thing and he was supposed to come back etc
[05:12] <DaSkreech> So why does Firefox hate Kubuntu?
[05:12] <kosh> all that myth stuff
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Myth Rocks!
[05:12] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: it does?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:12] <DaSkreech> We need a KubuntuMyth
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Like KnopMyth
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Thought you can apt-get myth :-(
[05:13] <klerfayt> Topcass: is your freq. scaling working?
[05:13] <v3ctor> kosh: you mean the 3 day respawn time?
[05:13] <kosh> v3ctor: well that first one was pretty bad but supposedly he was goign to respawn again which just did not happen
[05:13] <kosh> v3ctor: maybe he lost connection
[05:14] <Topcass> klerfayt: ?? freq. scaling ??
[05:14] <v3ctor> lol
[05:14] <klerfayt> Topcass: what cpu you got?
[05:14] <klerfayt> Topcass: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/37472
[05:15] <Topcass> pentium m 1.5GHZ
[05:15] <ctothej> how do i automatically type to a person ("username:") in polaris x mirc script?
[05:15] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Oh wait
[05:16] <theverant> can anyone help me get SMP working form my X2?
[05:16] <DaSkreech> You were talking about the Firefox hate thing huh?
[05:16] <theverant> I need NVidia working as well
[05:16] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Yup
[05:16] <DaSkreech> I t starts like one time out of 10
[05:16] <Hobbsee> odd. mine will usually start here
[05:16] <DaSkreech> It will start the thread Bounce the icon
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Then stops
[05:17] <Hobbsee> is this just for startup, or all the time?
[05:17] <klerfayt> Topcass: try booting with   i8042.nomux=1
[05:17] <DaSkreech> alldatime
[05:18] <gil_> hello i need some info on remote desktop....
[05:18] <gil_> I am using kubuntu dapper
[05:18] <DaSkreech> When I t starts I try to not close it just cause I know it won't open again
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Anyway to try and debug?
[05:18] <Topcass> klerfayt: i would love too but im afraid my linux is not that good :D have not been using it long and the learning curl ishall we say STEAP :D
[05:19] <klerfayt> Topcass: interseting stuff this keyboard problem
[05:19] <siefkencp> gil: rdesktop
[05:19] <siefkencp> -f for full screen
[05:19] <klerfayt> Topcass: what if you turn off touchpad? Can it be done with Fn key?
[05:20] <Topcass> klerfayt: well im gd i can keep you entertained :D
[05:20] <Topcass> one sec
[05:20] <DaSkreech> What is nspluginviewer?
[05:20] <siefkencp> gil "-a 24" for full color
[05:21] <Topcass> trying the tchpad thing now
[05:21] <gil_> ok
[05:21] <gil_> where is remote desktop setup
[05:21] <Topcass> ah no the missing letters above show me the problem is still there ;D
[05:22] <siefkencp> wait, you want to share yours or remote desktop a windoz machine?
[05:22] <gil_> i am new to kubuntu...trying to get my machine setup for remote acess
[05:22] <Topcass> klefayt: i will be back in a few minutes (sorry)
[05:22] <DaSkreech> gil_: openssh-server
[05:23] <siefkencp> will that give him vnc style access too DaSkreech?
[05:23] <DaSkreech> No
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Is that what (s)he is looking for?
[05:23] <gil_> ok my wife needs to acess this computer from our office
[05:24] <gil_> we have always been using remote desktop on windows
[05:24] <DaSkreech> And she needs pretty gui type stuff?
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> Freenx is probably the best way
[05:24] <Topcass> klefayt: back
[05:24] <gil_> well she isnt very computer savy.....i want it to behave the way remote desktop did in XP showing exact desktop
[05:25] <klerfayt> Topcass: I have no idea
[05:25] <gil_> i see the setup here in kubuntu for desktop sharing but it doesnt seem to be user speciific
[05:25] <edulix> krdc
[05:25] <klerfayt> Topcass: send a letter to acer
[05:25] <edulix> you want to share desktop? use krdc
[05:26] <edulix> you can connect to vnc servers via krdc in kde
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Right adept just froze :-(
[05:26] <Topcass> klefayt: hehe no worries. nobody else has ben able to help either. thanks for trying
[05:26] <edulix> also, you can do a sudo ptitude install tightvncserver for a server
[05:26] <gil_> ok how do i set up an acount for her to log into this computer....a permanenet account
[05:26] <firepol> hi, is anybody here using kubuntu with dapper?
[05:27] <Lynoure> firepol: yep.
[05:27] <firepol> i've just installed openoffice, but the openoffice icons are not updated in my kde menu
[05:27] <Lynoure> firepol: (and many other ppl, I bet)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hi Lynoure
[05:27] <Lynoure> firepol: But #ubuntu+1 seems to be the 'real' dapper channel
[05:27] <firepol> openoffice works, but no icon has been added under the "office" group
[05:28] <firepol> Lynoure, i asked there but it seems they use gnome...
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: dapper support for kubuntu specific stuff is in here
[05:28] <gnomefreak> firepol: did you try restarting the panel/menu?
[05:28] <firepol> how can i restart it?
[05:28] <gil_> what i am asking is can she connect using remote desktop of XP to my kubuntu machine
[05:28] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: ok.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> firepol: killall kicker && kicker
[05:29] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ty
[05:29] <gil_> does she have to have VNC set up on XP to acess kbuntu?
[05:29] <DaSkreech> Anyone have nsplugin running?
[05:29] <DaSkreech> gil_: Is she on windows?
[05:29] <firepol> Hobbsee: same problem
[05:30] <firepol> since i upgraded to dappert only one icon stayed there: openoffice-writer. the others are missing (but ive just installed everything)
[05:30] <gil_> DaSkreech: yes
[05:30] <DaSkreech> That should work then
[05:30] <gil_> DaSkreech: she is on XP
[05:31] <gnomefreak> can someone give me a clue as to what causes this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14476 i get it when it installs most everything
[05:31] <gil_> ok what do i need to setup an account for here....
[05:31] <gil_> on my kubuntu machine...
[05:31] <gnomefreak> it started after i did a major install of apps
[05:31] <gil_> how do i give her an accnount and password/?
[05:31] <klerfayt> gil_: system settings in menu
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Do you have Firefox running now?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yeah, just started it
[05:32] <klerfayt> gil_: look for "users&groups"
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Ok whats the process called?
[05:32] <firepol> Hobbsee ... any ideas?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> firefox-bin
[05:32] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: should be firefox iirc
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Man...
[05:33] <firepol> i had the same problem installing thunderbird
[05:33] <DaSkreech> It's not even starting now :-(
[05:33] <Hobbsee> firepol: none at this hour, but i recall a bug about itsomewhere..
[05:33] <firepol> is there a way to recreate the whole menu from scratch?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: try killall firefox first
[05:33] <firepol> if i delete some .kde subfolders in my home and restart kde, it should recreate the menu, right?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> no processes killed
[05:33] <firepol> the question is which directory contains the menu items?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: is this the mozilla binaries, or the ubuntu versions?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> apt-got
[05:34] <gil_> ok
[05:35] <DaSkreech> It starts for like a second
[05:36] <DaSkreech> from the command line it throws a list of errors then opens
[05:36] <Hobbsee> want to pastebin the errors?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Ok
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Un momento
[05:38] <DaSkreech> !paste
[05:38] <ubotu> see <!pastebin> please
[05:38] <DaSkreech> !pastebin
[05:38] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[05:38] <firepol> anyone knows which one is the directory containing all the icons of the panel menu? i'd like to delete it and restart kde to regenerate all the groups and icons...
[05:39] <Hobbsee> firepol: locate *.png
[05:39] <firepol> locate: fatal error: Could not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db':  No such file or directory
[05:39] <gnomefreak> isnt it /usr/share/pixmap or something like that
[05:39] <DaSkreech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14477
[05:40] <Hobbsee> firepol: probably in /usr/share/icons/themename
[05:40] <DaSkreech> firepol: sudo updatedb
[05:40] <Hobbsee> for teh icons, at least
[05:40] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: it opened?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> I think the first two Xerrors are scim type errors
[05:41] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Hmm?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: did you just follow the wiki for installing new version of ff?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Firefox?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: yes
[05:41] <DaSkreech> I apt-got it
[05:41] <firepol> Hobbsee i think its not a good idea to delete the /usr/share/pixmaps directory... do you think it will be recreated just after restarting kde?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> i've got no idea...
[05:41] <firepol> i was thinking more to delete some of my personal settings instead
[05:42] <gnomefreak> firepol: i wouldnt delete anything
[05:42] <firepol> if i delete my /home/.kde folder it will be regenerated
[05:42] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: im sorry i forgot kubuntu :(
[05:42] <firepol> but i dont want to lose all my kde settings
[05:42] <firepol> id like just to regenerate the menu settings
[05:43] <gnomefreak> update-menu i think it the command
[05:43] <gnomefreak> :(
[05:43] <gnomefreak> neither
[05:43] <aseigo> firepol: icons in the panel menu? you mean the kmenu structure?
[05:44] <aseigo> firepol: if so, remove ~/.config/menus and ~/.local/share/applications (i think the latter is correct; might not be, but it's somewhere in .local =)
[05:45] <firepol> aseigo, exactly
[05:45] <firepol> thanks aseigo, ill try that
[05:45] <firepol> i was convinced it woul dbe someghere inside .kde ... but no, in .config... :-S
[05:45] <aseigo> that will revert it back to the system defaults
[05:45] <aseigo> that's because we share that now with gnome
[05:45] <firepol> ok
[05:45] <aseigo> (and anyone else who implements the menu spec)
[05:45] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: It starts when you run from cimmand lie
[05:46] <aseigo> and amazingly, gnome wasn't cool with having it in .kde ;-P
[05:46] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: yes i know that the errors were the same after upgrading to ff1.5
[05:47] <firepol> ok, i hope the icons will be recreated, but of course il lrename the folder just in case
[05:47] <firepol> see ya later and thanks
[05:48] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Was there a fix?
[05:49] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: no it stopped doing it iirc it had somethign to do with the update checking it did at start up
[05:49] <DaSkreech> ahhh
[05:51] <firepol> hi guys, i got my menu icons regenerated correctly
[05:52] <DaSkreech> So why would starting it from CLI work?
[05:52] <firepol> but well, its not a nice bug for people that will upgrade to dapper...
[05:53] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: after upgrading i could start it either way icon or cli but cli was spitting out errors as it does with almost anything :( even adept scrolls alot of stuff including the first lines of your error
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Yeah I noticed
[05:53] <DaSkreech> Thats why I said it's probably scim
[05:54] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: it has something to do with gathering the ifo for updating its database
[05:54] <gnomefreak> s/ifo/info
[05:54] <gnomefreak> it could be scim
[05:54] <DaSkreech> Then why does it work sometimes?
[05:54] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: it should open everytime (thats what im not getting
[05:55] <gnomefreak> the errors/warnings shouldnt effct it opening except is there was a bigger issue like it couldnt update itself
[05:56] <Jel_> anyone here good with Kopete?
[05:57] <Jel_> i hid a menu bar, and can't find where to get it back... the main one which says "file" etc.... just above the main tile bar
[05:58] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: Ok I'm going to open it from CLI and try update it
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Man now Adept won't opn
[06:00] <billytwowilly> hi, any plans to put amarok 1.4 in dapper?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: gksudo adept or gksudo firefox  they wont open them at all
[06:01] <gnomefreak> billytwowilly: if its not in now it wont be in
[06:01] <billytwowilly> that's unfortunate.
[06:01] <billytwowilly> guess I'll just have to wait for the backports to start up;)
[06:01] <gnomefreak> billytwowilly: 1.3.9 is the version in dapper
[06:02] <gnomefreak> billytwowilly: go to the kubuntu.com site and grab the amarok repo
[06:02] <gnomefreak> it will give you 1.4
[06:02] <billytwowilly> oh ok.
[06:02] <billytwowilly> thanks.
[06:02] <gnomefreak> yw
[06:02] <kaiyilen> hey, i got a question i thinks a bit confusing. after i installed kubuntu it takes me to the command line. any ideas on why it did this when fedora4 didnt?
[06:02] <gnomefreak> im assuming its still there
[06:03] <gnomefreak> kaiyilen: is it a tty or do you have gui with a terminal open?
[06:03] <kaiyilen> tty
[06:03] <kaiyilen> no gui, straightto the command line. it doesnt even report any errors
[06:03] <kaiyilen> that i can see
[06:03] <gnomefreak> kaiyilen: did you do server install?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> kaiyilen: what install method did you use
[06:04] <kaiyilen> i dont think so. how can i check ifi did a server install? on the install type screen i type 'install'
[06:04] <billytwowilly> ok, I'm mildly retarded today. I see the amarok 1.4 beta 3 package repository in the wiki, but no mention of release packages for 1.4
[06:05] <gnomefreak> kaiyilen: apt-cache policy kde  << see if its installed
[06:05] <gnomefreak> billytwowilly: it hasnt been released yet
[06:06] <kaiyilen> i'll try that, is there any thing else i can try?(not at the machine right now)
[06:06] <billytwowilly> amarok 1.4 has been released...
[06:06] <gnomefreak> kaiyilen: if it turns up not installed run sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop    if it is installed type startx
[06:07] <MidMark> guys but kubuntu cds are totally free? I mean NO cost at all?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> billytwowilly: than the wiki hasnt been updated?  where is the wiki you are talking about?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> MidMark: correct
[06:07] <kaiyilen> MidMark: correct
[06:07] <MidMark> who pay for them?
[06:07] <gnomefreak> MidMark: for most part depends on wher eyou live there may be a tax
[06:07] <billytwowilly> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4beta3.php
[06:07] <DaSkreech> And shipping I think
[06:07] <billytwowilly> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[06:07] <billytwowilly> linked from here ^
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Yes but it's not in the dapper repos
[06:07] <gnomefreak> billytwowilly: give me a sec
[06:08] <MidMark> I live in Italy, but site doesn't say how much does it costs sending cds
[06:08] <billytwowilly> ok;) I'll take the time to point out your nick is hilarious given that this is a kde channel;)
[06:08] <kaiyilen> why not DL it at a cafe?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> billytwowilly: Maybe he freaks anytime he uses gnome?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Though I doubt it :)
[06:08] <kaiyilen> MidMark: why not DL it at a cafe?
[06:09] <gnomefreak> amarok 1.4 has not been released
[06:09] <MidMark> I can download here, but I'm just curious
[06:09] <gnomefreak> hence the word beta
[06:09] <visik7> gnomefreak: ?
[06:09] <billytwowilly> gnomefreak: http://amarok.kde.org/
[06:09] <kaiyilen> MidMark: ohhh heh.
[06:09] <visik7> gnomefreak: amarok 1.4 is out
[06:09] <billytwowilly> oh. says may 17
[06:09] <billytwowilly> that's probably why. Just not packaged yet.
[06:09] <gnomefreak> visik7: everything i just read says its not
[06:10] <billytwowilly> check the official page I linked to. released may 17
[06:11] <billytwowilly> or just type /j #amarok
[06:11] <kaiyilen> any way, thanks gnomefreak i'll try these when i get home. buh bye!
[06:12] <gnomefreak> it did make it in dapper too i guess because they had beta in dapper
[06:12] <DaSkreech> It's not in the dapper repos
[06:12] <gnomefreak> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Go to www.kubuntu.org
[06:13] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: not yet its not
[06:13] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: read what i gave you
[06:13] <DaSkreech> I asked Riddell and he said it probably wouldn't get in
[06:13] <gnomefreak> Amarok 1.4 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu Dapper.
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Much like Kopete .12
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know I'm running 1.4 now :-)
[06:14] <gnomefreak> than it gives an offical dapper repo
[06:15] <DaSkreech> What I mean is that people cannot expect to hit update and see Amarok 1.4 suddenly appear
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Work and knowledge is involved
[06:16] <gnomefreak> correct
[06:16] <DaSkreech> While many people can do the work
[06:16] <DaSkreech> The instructions are very easy
[06:16] <gnomefreak> it was released after the freeze for new packages
[06:16] <DaSkreech> The knowledge that it's there is going to be sparse amongst many
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Right
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Maybe backports can take care of it
[06:16] <billytwowilly> I think there are even amarok 1.4 packages in the repository.. when I changed teh deb source on the webpage to remove the beta stuff it worked and the packages appear to be release packages...
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Of course that's after dapper ships
[06:17] <gnomefreak> so it shouldnt be added but im assuming since beta was they plan on updating beta to stable
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Where is the apt-get database lock?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> is it /var/cache/apt/archives/lock ?
[06:26] <visik7> DaSkreech: you have another program that use apt
[06:26] <visik7> like adept
[06:26] <visik7> or a running apt-get something
[06:26] <DaSkreech> I tried to run adept and it started dying like firefox
[06:26] <paulvolk> I am having some problems updating with Adept
[06:26] <DaSkreech> It starts for a few seconds then dies
[06:26] <paulvolk> Can some one help me?
[06:26] <DaSkreech> paulvolk: What be the problem?
[06:27] <visik7> DaSkreech: btw you need to be sudoed or root
[06:27] <paulvolk> It won't update anymore and I know that there are updates cause I have another system that is working fine.
[06:27] <RadiantFire> does it give you an error?
[06:27] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: gksudo adept
[06:27] <DaSkreech> visik7: Yup I know
[06:27] <visik7> ok
[06:27] <DaSkreech> kdesu :)
[06:27] <visik7> kdesu here we are in kubuntu not ubuntu
[06:27] <gnomefreak> oops
[06:28] <DaSkreech> paulvolk: It won't update the lists or you can update the lists but not packages?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> sorry forgot
[06:28] <DaSkreech> heehee
[06:28] <DaSkreech> His name belies a lot
[06:28] <paulvolk> DaSkreech I am not sure I have tried both but either way I get that no packedges need to be updated
[06:29] <paulvolk> But I know that they should be.
[06:29] <DaSkreech> paulvolk: Is this breezy or dapper?
[06:29] <paulvolk> Breezy
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Ah..
[06:31] <DaSkreech> can you install an application
[06:31] <DaSkreech> visik7: Where is the apt-lock?
[06:31] <visik7> uh ?
[06:31] <DaSkreech> there is a lock file created when you try to interact with the apt-database
[06:32] <visik7> yes and removed when finisced
[06:32] <visik7> finished
[06:32] <DaSkreech> So if you run a second apt-type program it won't confilct
[06:32] <DaSkreech> Well something didn't remove mine
[06:32] <g0dchild> Is there a way to save sessions in konqueror?
[06:32] <g0dchild> similar to opera?
[06:32] <RadiantFire> yes
[06:32] <visik7> are you sure that nothing has running that interact with apt db ?
[06:32] <DaSkreech> I've gotten adept to start now but it throws an error that somethign else is using the database
[06:33] <RadiantFire> g0dchild: settings -> save view profile
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Unless someone has sshed in and is installing things now
[06:33] <RadiantFire> then create a new profile
[06:33] <DaSkreech> (I think that's highly unlikely)
[06:33] <klerfayt> I don't have power failures and I want something faster than ext3 is xfs the logical choise?
[06:33] <visik7> DaSkreech: so you can safely remove that file
[06:34] <visik7> but be sure that nothing is running that use apt db
[06:34] <DaSkreech> visik7: It's /var/cache/apt/archives/lock correct?
[06:34] <visik7> correct but be sure
[06:34] <paulvolk> DaSkreech I can still install things
[06:34] <paulvolk> just not update them
[06:34] <visik7> DaSkreech: wait
[06:35] <firepol> how to get rid of arts? with kubuntui breezy the sound was working, now it doesnt work anymore and i see an istance of arts running. even if i kill it the sound doesnt work anyway :(
[06:35] <DaSkreech> paulvolk: The two machines have two different versions?
[06:35] <paulvolk> DaSkreech No but one is updating the other says there are no updates
[06:35] <RadiantFire> firepol
[06:35] <RadiantFire> do you have sounds at all
[06:35] <RadiantFire> ?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> maybe one is more up to date than the other?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> visik7: Ok point of interest
[06:36] <visik7> DaSkreech: no the lock file is /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[06:36] <DaSkreech> I just did a ps aux | less
[06:36] <DaSkreech> and there are two kdesu adept processes running
[06:37] <DaSkreech> and one adept <defunct>
[06:37] <DaSkreech> There are lot of stray processes hanging around
[06:37] <visik7> or apt
[06:37] <visik7> also apt-get lock that file
[06:37] <DaSkreech> visik7: Thanks for the correction btw
[06:37] <DaSkreech> no apts
[06:37] <visik7> ok
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Just adept
[06:38] <visik7> maybe adept was crash
[06:38] <visik7> and doesn't unlock
[06:38] <DaSkreech> but it's a kdesu adept
[06:38] <firepol> RadiantFire: with breezy iu could listen for music in amarok and xmms, now not anymore
[06:38] <visik7> so there is ?
[06:38] <paulvolk> DaSkreech That is what I thought originally but when I checked the versions on the two the one that updates is more upto date then the one that claims that there are no updates.
[06:38] <DaSkreech> which makes me think that it started to open and asked for a login which somehow disappeared
[06:38] <DaSkreech> paulvolk: are they servers?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> visik7: I see no prompts open though
[06:39] <paulvolk> no
[06:39] <RadiantFire> RadiantFire, what is you amarok engine
[06:39] <RadiantFire> whoos
[06:39] <visik7> killall adept and apt remove the lock file and use apt-get install <package> and apt-cache search <package>
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Log out and log back in :)
[06:39] <RadiantFire> firepol: what is your amarok engine?
[06:39] <DaSkreech> visik7: I'm going to log out and back in
[06:40] <visik7> ok do it
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Soon return
[06:40] <paulvolk> I have tried to restart it even and it still hasn't worked
[06:40] <firepol> RadiantFire: no engine, but i think its because ive upgraded to dapper. lets try an easier program, like XMMS
[06:40] <firepol> xmms doesnt work anymore.
[06:40] <RadiantFire> you don't have any amarok engines?
[06:41] <firepol> RadiantFire, my soundcard is a USB headset, which was previously working
[06:41] <RadiantFire> ok, lets try something simple to see if your sound is working at all
[06:41] <RadiantFire> open a terminal and type cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp
[06:41] <RadiantFire> you should get static
[06:41] <firepol> xmms was configured to use ALSA, and I could hear the sound. everything was working fine
[06:41] <firepol> RadiantFire: bash: /dev/dsp: No such device
[06:42] <RadiantFire> mmm, thats no good
[06:42] <RadiantFire> what kind of soundcard do you have
[06:42] <RadiantFire> oh
[06:42] <RadiantFire> nm
[06:42] <firepol> RadiantFire, the kernel module is loaded, i cannot understand why /dev/dsp is not there
[06:42] <firepol> RadiantFire, my soundcard is a USB headset, which was previously working
[06:43] <RadiantFire> so the sound card is connected via usb
[06:44] <Jel> !mp3
[06:44] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:45] <HymnToLife> Jel> if you want information for yourself, please /msg the bot :)
[06:45] <HymnToLife> !fishing
[06:45] <ubotu> well, fishing is randomly throwing !commands in the channel instead of using /msg ubotu command. Please dont fish for help. either !ask in the channel or msg ubotu < Knows Everything!> :)
[06:45] <Jel> oh ok, sorry :)
[06:46] <firepol> RadiantFire: yes, it is connected, i checked by typing "dmesg"
[06:46] <Jel> i got Grub to work ^_^
[06:46] <RadiantFire> firepol: if it shows up, and was working, I don't know
[06:47] <firepol> a friend tells me i need the alsa modules for usb_audio
[06:47] <firepol> but i didnt change the kernel
[06:47] <DaSkreech> !fish
[06:47] <ubotu> I guess fish is A way to access another computer's files using a simple SSH shell account and standard UNIX utilities on the remote side.
[06:47] <DaSkreech> !fi
[06:47] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[06:47] <DaSkreech> damnit!
[06:47] <DaSkreech> !ubuntu-libre
[06:47] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:47] <firepol> RadiantFire, the kernel i have is the same i was using with breezy... strange issue, really
[06:48] <RadiantFire> try using the latest kernel?
[06:48] <firepol> RadiantFire... good idea ;)
[06:48] <DaSkreech> visik7: Same issue
[06:49] <foodcoman> Greetz
[06:49] <DaSkreech> I do a kdesu adept and it accepts the password then doens't open
[06:50] <DaSkreech> Whats a KDEsu_stub?
[06:50] <foodcoman> whois kathman
[06:51] <foodcoman> That needed a slash infront sorry.
[06:51] <firepol> RadiantFire, ill try with the latest kernel: 2.6.15 ...
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Good news is that Firefox works now :)
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Now I have three adepts running?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> plus an adept_update but that's inconsequential
[07:02] <racookier> install kubuntu on fasttrack units how??... i instaled with strip and grub hangs (wiothout error message)
[07:10] <Prak> my linux pc is currently connected to the internet through an ethernet cable to a router and then to my broadband modem
[07:10] <Prak> however, when i installed kubuntu, it doesn't detect DHCP on my computer
[07:10] <Prak> can anyone help me with that?
[07:13] <nixternal`afk> ..
[07:14] <nixternal> holly shnikeys
[07:14] <nixternal> good bye
[07:14] <nixternal> cya
[07:14] <Prak> hello?
[07:14] <nixternal> thx for stoppin' by
[07:14] <nixternal> sup Prak
[07:14] <nixternal> sudo killall everyone_on_freenode
[07:14] <Prak> my linux pc is currently connected to the internet through an ethernet cable to a router and then to my broadband modem
[07:15] <Prak>  however, when i installed kubuntu, it doesn't detect DHCP on my computer
[07:15] <Prak> can you help me with that, nixternal?
[07:15] <nixternal> i sure can try
[07:15] <Prak> i know i may have to setup something
[07:15] <nixternal> first off...do you see a link light where you plugged in your computer to the router?
[07:15] <Prak> right now, it's installing the packages as i left the internet configurations for now
[07:15] <Prak> yes
[07:16] <nixternal> k..so there is the physical connection....good...type in        lspci
[07:16] <nixternal> that is LSPCI
[07:16] <Prak> in terminal?
[07:16] <nixternal> see if it shows your network card in there
[07:16] <nixternal> yes sir
[07:16] <nixternal> terminal/konsole
[07:16] <Prak> ok...i'll have to wait until the packages are finished installing
[07:17] <nixternal> ok
[07:17] <Prak> this internet problem has given me grief
[07:17] <nixternal> lspci will show everything connected to your pci bus
[07:17] <nixternal> hehe..what kind of network card is it?
[07:17] <Prak> D-Link ethernet
[07:17] <Prak> 10/100
[07:17] <nixternal> do you know the brand?
[07:17] <nixternal> nm
[07:17] <nixternal> i see dlink
[07:18] <nixternal> wow...i can't believe it didn't work right from the get go
[07:18] <Prak> this problem didn't happen for my laptop
[07:18] <Prak> it worked from the get go for a really old distro of mepis that i tried
[07:19] <nixternal> ya...the dlink should have worked...maybe somehtin got botched during the install
[07:19] <Prak> botched?
[07:19] <_per_> if i order some cds from kubuntu shipit today, what release would i get?
[07:19] <klerfayt> I can't burn with k3b. I tried k3bsetup and added group cdrom but still it can't burn cd's because of permission errors
[07:19] <nixternal> nixternal|mobile: <-- that is my laptop with a wireless dlink card...it worked right from the get go
[07:20] <nixternal> ya...something got messed up during the install
[07:20] <nixternal|mobile> i need to kernel hack...bbiab
[07:20] <Prak> ok
[07:20] <nixternal> hehe
[07:21] <nixternal> done installing packages yet?
[07:21] <Prak> the package installation would take 10 more minutes i think
[07:21] <nixternal> hehe...roger that
[07:21] <_per_> if i order some cds from kubuntu shipit today, what release would i get?
[07:21] <nixternal> 6.06
[07:22] <_per_> dapper, right?
[07:22] <nixternal> yes
[07:22] <uniq> yes.
[07:22] <_per_> ok
[07:22] <_per_> thanks
[07:22] <nixternal> np
[07:22] <klerfayt> weird kdesu k3b works
[07:23] <nixternal> i hate when that happens ;p
[07:24] <HymnToLife> klerfayt> why wouldn't ik ?
[07:24] <HymnToLife> it*
[07:24] <Prak> am i still here?
[07:24] <nixternal> ya prak
[07:25] <klerfayt> HymnToLife: permission errors
[07:25] <nixternal> it tends to get quiet in here for a few minutes...then all of a sudden it gets swamped
[07:25] <klerfayt> HymnToLife: but I got it working with kdesu k3b
[07:25] <Prak> hello?
[07:25] <nixternal> hello Prak
[07:25] <nixternal> lol
[07:25] <nixternal> scroll down
[07:26] <nixternal> ;D
[07:26] <nixternal> gaahha
[07:26] <Prak> nixternal, are you still here?
[07:26] <nixternal> prak...careful with the mousewheel
[07:26] <nixternal> hehe
[07:26] <Prak> mousewheel?
[07:26] <nixternal> you were here the whole time...
[07:26] <nixternal> [12:25]  <Prak> hello?
[07:27] <Prak> i am
[07:27] <Prak> ?
[07:27] <Prak> my router got fucked up for some reason
[07:27] <nixternal> i think you accidentally scrolled up 1 line and thought you were disconnected
[07:27] <Prak> oh
[07:27] <nixternal> we could see everything you were typing
[07:27] <nixternal> you using konversation?
[07:27] <Prak> i didn't scroll up the bar
[07:27] <Prak> no
[07:27] <nixternal> hmmm.
[07:27] <Prak> using windows
[07:27] <Prak> mirc
[07:27] <nixternal> i have done it in the past...i always hit
[07:27] <nixternal> OMG
[07:27] <nixternal> GO
[07:27] <nixternal> hahah
[07:28] <nixternal> prolly had some lag then
[07:28] <Prak> yes
[07:28] <Prak> it's lagging like hell
[07:28] <nixternal> that is freenode
[07:28] <nixternal> this is the lowest i have been
[07:29] <nixternal> #kubuntu - 215 nicks (0 ops) | irc.freenode.net - Lag: 39 ms
[07:29] <Prak> i mean my router is lagging like hell
[07:29] <Prak> and my adsl
[07:29] <Prak> i'm logging in right now
[07:29] <nixternal> sbc dsl?
[07:29] <_per_> how fast, prak?
[07:29] <Prak> uniserve adsl; so i'll vspci soon enough
[07:30] <Prak> 1.5 mbps?
[07:30] <_per_> ok
[07:31] <nixternal> i need foood
[07:32] <nixternal> alright prak...you in yet?
[07:32] <Jel> i need the akode-mpeg package
[07:32] <Jel> but cant find it ?
[07:33] <nixternal> interesting...the repositories have akode-dbg...but not akode itself
[07:33] <racookier> do you have grub hangs
[07:33] <racookier> grub hangs at start up
[07:33] <Jel> know of any external repositories nixternal ?
[07:33] <nixternal> can you hit escape
[07:33] <nixternal> i have all of the repositories i think possible...and i don't see it anywhere
[07:34] <Carpa> my router lagged a lot again
[07:34] <Jel> then how am i going to get mp3 support?! >_<
[07:34] <Jel> the guide says i need it
[07:34] <nixternal> the guide for what?
[07:34] <Jel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:34] <DaSkreech> ahahahahaha!
[07:34] <DaSkreech> Got adept to work
[07:34] <Prak_alternate> nixternal, what do i type in again?
[07:35] <Prak_alternate> vspci?
[07:35] <nixternal> lspci
[07:35] <Prak_alternate> ok
[07:35] <Prak_alternate> and then?
[07:36] <nixternal> oh
[07:36] <Prak_alternate> i see ethernet controller: d-link system inc dl10050 sundance ethernet (rev 12)
[07:36] <nixternal> sorry
[07:36] <nixternal> wifey called
[07:36] <nixternal> i can't stand when she does that
[07:36] <Prak_alternate> so i think the card is there
[07:36] <nixternal> ok...do you see your network card in there
[07:36] <nixternal> ok
[07:36] <nixternal> do
[07:36] <nixternal> ifconfig
[07:36] <nixternal> see eth0 at all?
[07:37] <Prak_alternate> no
[07:37] <nixternal> how about lo
[07:37] <Prak_alternate> yes
[07:37] <nixternal> k
[07:37] <nixternal> do this
[07:37] <nixternal> more /etc/network/interfaces
[07:37] <nixternal> do you see any settings for eth0
[07:38] <nixternal> like auto eth0
[07:38] <Prak_alternate> map th0
[07:38] <nixternal> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:38] <Prak_alternate> *map eth0
[07:38] <nixternal> you just have map eth0
[07:38] <Prak_alternate> yes
[07:38] <nixternal> no other eth0 in there
[07:38] <Prak_alternate> just map eth0
[07:38] <nixternal> k
[07:38] <nixternal> do this
[07:38] <nixternal> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[07:38] <nixternal> this will open up that file in nano...a text editor
[07:39] <Prak_alternate> ok
[07:39] <Prak_alternate> and then?
[07:39] <nixternal> arrow down to the bottom and then type....
[07:39] <nixternal> auto eth0
[07:39] <nixternal> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:39] <nixternal> once you have that typed in...those 2 lines then you
[07:39] <josevitor> .
[07:39] <nixternal> control + o
[07:39] <nixternal> press enter to save
[07:40] <nixternal> then control + x to close
[07:40] <nixternal> then issue...
[07:40] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking.sh restart
[07:40] <nixternal> grrr
[07:40] <nixternal> don't do that
[07:40] <nixternal> it is
[07:40] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:40] <nixternal> and you should be good to go
[07:41] <Prak_alternate> we'll find out soon
[07:41] <Prak_alternate> i also have another problem with my linux pc
[07:42] <nixternal> don't we all ;p
[07:42] <Prak_alternate> i have a linux root and swap partition, a fat32 windows partition, and a ntfs windows partition
[07:42] <Prak_alternate> is it possible to access the ntfs partition by mounting that drive?
[07:42] <nixternal> yup
[07:42] <Prak_alternate> i have a problem of not being able of doing so
[07:42] <Prak_alternate> anyway
[07:43] <Prak_alternate> let's work on the internet problem first
[07:43] <nixternal> hehe...you almost there yet?
[07:43] <Prak_alternate> should i do anything else to get my internet working?
[07:43] <nixternal> that should do it
[07:43] <Prak_alternate> it doesn't do it
[07:43] <nixternal> as long as the interfaces file is good
[07:43] <nixternal> hmm
[07:43] <nixternal> more /etc/network/interfaces
[07:44] <nixternal> lets make sure everything is ok in there for eth0
[07:44] <Jel> i have like 250 packages that can be updated
[07:44] <Jel> should i update them ?
[07:44] <GaiaX11> Does anyone here use an aerial for wireless card? I use this and the aerial is up in my house. It is 6metres high. The problem is that there is a big mango tree which belongs to my neighbour and it is higher than my aerial. So, my connection is becoming very low now. Do anyone know if it has any influence in getting the signal from the server provider big aerial?
[07:44] <Prak_alternate> should i get rid of map eth0?
[07:44] <nixternal> umm...no it is fine
[07:44] <Prak_alternate> ok
[07:45] <Jel> nixternal - what is the console command to upgrade all upgradeable packages? :D
[07:45] <nixternal> sudo apt-get update ....then do sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:45] <Jel> thank you!
[07:45] <nixternal> hey prak...do ifconfig
[07:45] <nixternal> np jel
[07:45] <nixternal> do you see eth0 in there?
[07:45] <Prak_alternate> yes
[07:45] <nixternal> does it show an ip address at all?
[07:46] <Prak_alternate> no
[07:46] <nixternal> hmmm...
[07:46] <Jel> bbs
[07:46] <Jel> gotta upgrade!
[07:46] <nixternal> you aren't by chance working with vmware are you?
[07:46] <Prak_alternate> what's vmware?
[07:46] <nixternal> ok...nm ;D
[07:47] <nixternal> just checking
[07:47] <nixternal> what is your LAN ip...is it like 192.168.1.1
[07:48] <Prak_alternate> think it's 192.168.0.1
[07:48] <nixternal> wth am i thinking.....i am sitting here doing all konsole stuff...i am so used to working on a freaking server
[07:48] <nixternal> is this a dapper install you are using?
[07:49] <nixternal> please say yes...cuz i don't have any breezy computers setup...except for my server
[07:49] <foodcoman> Riddell: Dapper is looking really good, connected from the LiveCD right now.
[07:50] <Riddell> foodcoman: great
[07:50] <Riddell> foodcoman: live CD from when?
[07:50] <nixternal> whoa...the master himself
[07:50] <nixternal> haha...
[07:50] <foodcoman> Riddell: I got what ever was at the main site, so probably the last main release.
[07:51] <nixternal> ummm..Prak...where did you go?
[07:51] <Prak_alternate> which lan ip are you talking about?
[07:51] <nixternal> there you are
[07:51] <Prak_alternate> the ip that i use to login to the router?
[07:51] <foodcoman> Is there a location for the latest greatest builds in ISO?
[07:51] <nixternal> don't worry about that now...i forgot the fact we are not prehistoric and actually have something called x-windows
[07:51] <nixternal> are you on a kubuntu dapper install prak?
[07:51] <Prak_alternate> or router's ip address according to what i see for www.whatismyip.com?
[07:51] <Prak_alternate> what's a dapper install?
[07:51] <Riddell> foodcoman: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/  although all the latest ones are oversized
[07:51] <nixternal> you were right with the 192.168.0.1
[07:51] <foodcoman> Riddell: Gracias.  Im all over it.
[07:52] <Prak_alternate> hello?
[07:52] <nixternal> hello
[07:52] <foodcoman> Riddell: Wish I had more time to really be strong tester.  I use to manage External Test for Symantec.
[07:53] <Prak_alternate> do i also have to setup my router?
[07:53] <nixternal> you shouldn't have to prak...cuz it is working just fine...if it wasn't...you and i wouldn't be talking
[07:53] <nixternal> what version of kubuntu do you have installed?
[07:53] <Prak_alternate> 5.10
[07:53] <Prak_alternate> i think
[07:53] <nixternal> breezy
[07:54] <Prak_alternate> yes
[07:54] <Prak_alternate> breezy
[07:54] <nixternal> ok
[07:54] <nixternal> try this
[07:54] <nixternal> Kmenu > system > kcontrol
[07:54] <Riddell> foodcoman: release candidate candidates arriving from tomorrow will need testing :)
[07:54] <nixternal> <- can test if needed...laptop x86, desktop x86
[07:55] <nixternal> wireless, wired..whatever
[07:55] <Prak_alternate> where's kcontrol?
[07:55] <nixternal> do you see something that says control panel?
[07:55] <nixternal> whoa i am lagging bad now
[07:55] <foodcoman> Riddell: Tomorrow End of day I will grab.
[07:55] <Prak_alternate> i got to network settings in conqueror
[07:55] <nixternal> ya ya
[07:55] <nixternal> that will work
[07:55] <nixternal> do you see eth0?
[07:55] <nixternal> and can you configure it?
[07:56] <Prak_alternate> i saw it
[07:56] <Riddell> foodcoman: cool
[07:56] <Search4Lancer> can someone please tell me how to remove old kernel versions?
[07:56] <nixternal> see...on dapper everything is in system settings
[07:56] <Prak_alternate> enable interface for eth0?
[07:56] <tuxedup> i have a question about kubuntu, as I understand it as each new releae of KDE comes out kubuntu package it up and put it on the repositories, doe these packages recieve security updates, or do they stay the same version until a new full version is released rather then upgraded individual packages?
[07:56] <nixternal> yes prak
[07:56] <nixternal> see if it crashes or not
[07:56] <assasukasse> hi all
[07:56] <Search4Lancer> hi ass
[07:57] <assasukasse> i found a bug on kubuntu
[07:57] <nixternal> haha
[07:57] <Search4Lancer> so submit it
[07:57] <assasukasse> someone found it too?
[07:57] <Prak_alternate> it's taking a surprising long time to enable eth0
[07:57] <nixternal> hmm...
[07:57] <assasukasse> fl7 doesn't work at all, just hangs after seeing the desktop
[07:57] <Prak_alternate> i tried it before and it got automatically disabled again
[07:57] <nixternal> ok..when that crashes out...lets try to set the ip's static
[07:57] <Prak_alternate> crashed out
[07:57] <assasukasse> fl6 instead works, but when i try to set wifi connection crashes..so i've no connection..
[07:57] <nixternal> configure
[07:57] <Prak_alternate> i had trouble before setting it to ip static
[07:58] <Search4Lancer> then how are you on here?
[07:58] <assasukasse> with my main pc.
[07:58] <assasukasse> not with the laptop..
[07:58] <assasukasse> kubuntu goes on the lap
[07:58] <assasukasse> btw ubuntu fl7 works fine, even wifi works perfectly..
[07:58] <nixternal> hey prak...goto terminal/konsole
[07:58] <nixternal> type in        dmesg
[07:58] <nixternal> see if it shows errors
[07:58] <Prak_alternate> ok
[07:59] <Search4Lancer> so anyway.... how do I remove old kernel versions?
[07:59] <Prak_alternate> for eth0, noIPv6 routers present
[07:59] <nixternal> that is the only erro?
[07:59] <assasukasse> nixternal how can i submit it?
[07:59] <tuxedup> apt-get remove linux image<version> --purge
[07:59] <tuxedup> linux-image*
[08:00] <Prak_alternate> and i lot of usb 4-2 error messages, but we won't get into that today
[08:00] <Prak_alternate> or now
[08:00] <nixternal> lol
[08:00] <foodcoman> Seveas:  =)
[08:00] <Prak_alternate> what's next?
[08:02] <nixternal> one sec...i am uploading my /etc/network/interfaces config to the pastebin..
[08:02] <Prak_alternate> ok
[08:02] <nixternal> it is kinda slow right now
[08:02] <nixternal> actually terribly slow
[08:02] <Prak_alternate> i know
[08:02] <racookier> grub hangs at startup whitout error message
[08:03] <nixternal> don't you hate when those automated dialers call...and they tell you to wait for someone...and they called you
[08:03] <nixternal> i love it
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Ok
[08:03] <nixternal> i waited and when the guy came on...i started to talk to him...and then hung up
[08:03] <nixternal> i love it
[08:03] <DaSkreech> My hard drives kinda automount
[08:04] <nixternal> damn pastebin...to may connections
[08:04] <Prak_alternate> do i configure the router?
[08:05] <nixternal> you shouldn't have to configure the router
[08:05] <nixternal> your router is setup to do dhcp correct?
[08:06] <Prak_alternate> yes
[08:06] <DaSkreech> How do I get them to be writeable by me?
[08:06] <nixternal> in windows...goto cmd and type ipconfig
[08:06] <nixternal> what do you get?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> On bootup?
[08:06] <Prak_alternate> nothing
[08:06] <Prak_alternate> error
[08:07] <nixternal> oh
[08:07] <nixternal> do
[08:07] <nixternal> ipconfig /all
[08:07] <nixternal> in windows
[08:07] <nixternal> not kubuntu
[08:07] <nixternal> ;D
[08:07] <Prak_alternate> nothing
[08:07] <Prak_alternate> error
[08:07] <nixternal> lol
[08:07] <OlliK> ifconfig
[08:07] <Prak_alternate> windows is fuckin stupid
[08:07] <nixternal> haha...
[08:07] <Prak_alternate> nothing
[08:07] <nixternal> wth...how do you connect to the internet with windows then?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Language
[08:08] <Prak_alternate> wireless
[08:08] <Prak_alternate> automatic
[08:08] <nixternal> ahhh....
[08:08] <nixternal> i thought i made a post in the pastebin...but i can't find it
[08:09] <Prak_alternate> do i include some dns addresses from my isp into the settings?
[08:09] <nixternal> none of that is an issue right...it is almost like eth0 isn't even connecting to the router for communications
[08:09] <nixternal> you can't ping your router from the linux box can you?
[08:09] <Prak_alternate> how?
[08:09] <Prak_alternate> ping ip?
[08:10] <Prak_alternate> nope
[08:10] <nixternal> ping 192.168.0.1
[08:10] <Prak_alternate> nothing
[08:10] <Prak_alternate> unreachable
[08:10] <nixternal> what error do you get?
[08:11] <Prak_alternate> connect: network is unreachable
[08:11] <nixternal> can you ping 192.168.0.1 from the windows machine
[08:11] <uniq> what does 'mii-tool' say?
[08:11] <Prak_alternate> no
[08:11] <uniq> it'll tell you if you have link or not.
[08:12] <Jel> where can i find akode-mpeg package?
[08:12] <Jel> its not in the repositories...
[08:12] <nixternal> you see that prak
[08:12] <nixternal> sudo mii-tool
[08:12] <uniq> jel: it's in breezys universe only.
[08:12] <nixternal> try that and see what it says
[08:12] <Prak_alternate> ok
[08:13] <Prak_alternate> eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
[08:13] <nixternal> ok then
[08:13] <nixternal> check out this ->  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/731569       <- that is my lappy /etc/network/interfaces file....you want yours to look like that
[08:13] <nixternal> at least similar
[08:14] <nixternal> make sure...if your network is a 192.168.0 network...then use that
[08:14] <Prak_alternate> hold up
[08:14] <nixternal> 192.168.0.100 for the ip....192.168.0.1 for the gateway.....and 255.255.255.0 for the netmask
[08:14] <nixternal> that is eth0 (zero)
[08:14] <uniq> your router probably provides a DHCP service, and if you connect automatically from windows it's probably dhcp. i'd try that first.
[08:15] <nixternal> already tried that
[08:15] <nixternal> that is why we are givin' the static a shot
[08:15] <nixternal> i think there is a typo somewhere...at least that is what i am hoping
[08:15] <Jel> uniq - so what do i do about it ? i want to play mp3's...
[08:15] <uniq> jel: in amarok? are you on breezy or dapper?
[08:16] <Jel> dapper
[08:16] <Prak_alternate> i tried dhcp, it doesn't work
[08:16] <Prak_alternate> so i should try static?
[08:16] <Prak_alternate> what's the gateway address
[08:16] <Prak_alternate> ?
[08:16] <nixternal> can you connect to your router...from windows and look at the configuration?
[08:16] <Prak_alternate> the address that i see from www.whatismyip.com?
[08:16] <nixternal> gateway address is the ip of your rouer
[08:16] <Prak_alternate> yes
[08:16] <nixternal> connect to the router...lets see how it is setup
[08:17] <uniq> jel: i use amarok-xine
[08:17] <nixternal> make sure dhcp is enabled
[08:17] <nixternal> and it is a router...and not just a wireless access point right?
[08:17] <nixternal> how many computers do you hvae hooked up to the dsl not counting hte linux box
[08:17] <Jel> uniq - what about for xvid/divx playback ?
[08:18] <uniq> nixternal, prak_alternate: keep in mind that the wireless segment might use a separate subnet.
[08:18] <nixternal> ya
[08:18] <nixternal> that is why i want to look at the config
[08:18] <Prak_alternate> it's a router
[08:18] <nixternal> k...
[08:18] <nixternal> are you in it yet?
[08:18] <uniq> jel: kaffeine is the default player in kubuntu. 'kaffeine-xine' for engine.
[08:18] <Prak_alternate> yes
[08:18] <nixternal> k...what does it have for the router's ip address?
[08:19] <RadiantFire> Jel: you probably want to install libxine-extracodecs
[08:19] <nixternal> usually a 192 or 10 start
[08:19] <Prak_alternate> 192.168.0.1
[08:19] <nixternal> ok
[08:19] <nixternal> do you see dhcp config at all?
[08:19] <Prak_alternate> subnet mask 255.255.255.0
[08:19] <Prak_alternate> yes
[08:19] <Prak_alternate> it's on
[08:19] <nixternal> ok
[08:20] <Prak_alternate> which subnet mask should i put
[08:20] <Prak_alternate> lan port subnet mask?
[08:20] <nixternal> yes
[08:20] <Prak_alternate> or internet port subnet mask?
[08:20] <nixternal> the 255.255.255.0
[08:20] <Jel> i cant see libxine-extracodecs
[08:20] <nixternal> that is for the lan side
[08:20] <Jel> i've already got kaffeine-xine installed
[08:20] <Prak_alternate> ok
[08:20] <RadiantFire> Jel: you need to enable multiverse, libxine-extracodecs lets you get all the exciting things like mp3 playback
[08:21] <Jel> i have enabled multiverse? :S
[08:21] <Jel> it was just 2 different things i had to click enable on ?
[08:21] <RadiantFire> are you using your default sources.list?
[08:21] <Jel> how do i check ?
[08:22] <RadiantFire> open up your manager repositories
[08:22] <Prak_alternate> modified the file like you said and restarted connection
[08:22] <Prak_alternate> still doesn't do it
[08:23] <RadiantFire> you should have something that ends in "breezy  universe multiverse"
[08:23] <nixternal> .    /etc/init.d/networking restart
[08:23] <nixternal> that didn't do it
[08:23] <nixternal> grrr
[08:23] <nixternal> omg im an idiot
[08:23] <Prak_alternate> grr is right
[08:23] <nixternal> haha
[08:23] <nixternal> here..t.ry this
[08:23] <nixternal> sudo ifup eth0
[08:23] <Prak_alternate> failed to bring up eth0
[08:23] <nixternal> wtfreakingdoodoo
[08:24] <nixternal> tail -f /var/log/messages
[08:24] <Jel> ok i fixed it
[08:24] <Jel> forgot one of the lines to edit ;)
[08:25] <RadiantFire> Prak_alternate: I don't think 192.168.0.1 is a valid IP
[08:25] <RadiantFire> i think it should be .1.1
[08:25] <nixternal> it is for a gateway
[08:25] <nixternal> it is good
[08:25] <nixternal> my wireless subnet uses it
[08:25] <RadiantFire> every gateway I've ever seen has been at .1.1
[08:25] <nixternal> my open wireless net is 10.0.0.1
[08:25] <RadiantFire> mmm, wierd
[08:26] <wasp_ems> hello
[08:26] <Prak_alternate> i'm not sure
[08:26] <Prak_alternate> i'll try
[08:26] <nixternal> try what?
[08:27] <Prak_alternate> to connect my pc to the adsl modem directly
[08:27] <nixternal> oh
[08:27] <Prak_alternate> to see if it is my router's problem
[08:27] <Prak_alternate> be back in half an hour
[08:27] <wasp_ems> i am getting a xine engine error..no demuxer plugin available..does anyone know where i can get that plugin from
[08:27] <nixternal> if you do that...then you need to setup pppoe and all that
[08:27] <uniq> prak_alternate: has this setup ever worked?
[08:27] <Prak_alternate> no
[08:27] <nixternal> which is weird...typical 10/100 dlink nic
[08:27] <nixternal> ethernet
[08:28] <nixternal> it should have picked up everything during the install
[08:28] <Prak_alternate> but it doesn't
[08:28] <nixternal> what is the model number of that card in the computer?
[08:29] <Prak_alternate> dfe-530txs?
[08:29] <uniq> prak_alternate: make sure your router and the modem does not use the same local subnet. I've had problems with adsl modems giving the router a 192.168.1.x address, and the routers default config is to use the same subnet for it's clients. that makes problems.
[08:30] <Prak_alternate> ok
[08:30] <Prak_alternate> should i install the linux drivers for the card?
[08:30] <uniq> it's already installed as eth0 is there.
[08:31] <nixternal> you shouldn't have to
[08:31] <nixternal> ya..exactly
[08:31] <uniq> mii-tool told you the link was ok.
[08:31] <nixternal> ua
[08:31] <nixternal> ya rather ;)
[08:32] <nixternal> he has 1 eth0 error and it is the typical 'no ipv6 routers present'
[08:32] <Prak_alternate> i have to go
[08:32] <nixternal> i have that and so does everyone else...of course unless they connect to an ipv6 router
[08:32] <uniq> that's just a warning.
[08:32] <nixternal> k prak..i willb e here all day
[08:32] <Prak_alternate> ok
[08:33] <nixternal> i don't know where else to look at on that one
[08:33] <nixternal> his /etc/network/interfaces files is good
[08:33] <uniq> i would guess it's a router setup problem.
[08:33] <nixternal> i should have had him try to force eth0 and see it will crash out or not
[08:34] <nixternal> ya...but even if you set it to static...i don't care what the router ip is...eth0 should take a local static ip
[08:34] <nixternal> as a matter of fact i just forced a static ip of 244.244.222.222 on my lappy
[08:34] <nixternal> it is now the ip of my laptop...
[08:34] <Jel> ok this is strange
[08:34] <nixternal> the world is strange ;p
[08:34] <Jel> mp3 playback is working through kaffeine
[08:34] <Jel> but not amarok ?
[08:35] <nixternal> go figure....i hate amarok
[08:35] <Jel> i like it :(
[08:35] <nixternal> i finally got it up and working...but it doesn't support daap...
[08:35] <Brujah> The best musicplayer I know of!
[08:35] <nixternal> i thought wmp was the bestest ;)
[08:35] <Jel> brb
[08:35] <Jel> maybe i need to restart x
[08:36] <g-henna> hi everyone
[08:36] <nixternal> well hello there g-henna
[08:36] <uniq> jel, that shouldn't be neccessary.
[08:36] <g-henna> i have a problem with copying files with rsync on kubuntu. right place to ask here, or switch channel?
[08:36] <uniq> g-henna: right place.
[08:36] <nixternal> i haven't setup rsync...and don't have experience with it...anyone else?
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> g-henna: What you trying to do ?
[08:37] <g-henna> ok, there is no #rsync, i'll ask here :-) -- i want to copy my whol homedir with rsync and now i have problems with german 'umlauts' in file names...  and so
[08:37] <Brujah> will try wmp!
[08:37] <nixternal> gahaha Brujah
[08:37] <nixternal> wmp version 11 now
[08:37] <nixternal> soon to dominate every desktop
[08:37] <g-henna> when i copy everything with konqueror through the fish:// protocol, umlauts get preserved, but when i use rsync from the console, they are somehow mixed up
[08:37] <nixternal> or is that corrupt
[08:38] <g-henna> and the very odd thing is... i see umlauts on *this* computer correctly in shell and in konqueror. now i copy them with rsync to my remote machine and... when i'm logged in there with ssh, i see them correctly in the console, but looking at the same remote dir via fish:// and konqueror, i see they are bad
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> g-henna: just using the normal syntax i.e something like 'sudo rsync -av /home h3sp4wn@triton:/home/h3sp4wn/'
[08:39] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: exactly. -av is everything i did
[08:39] <ubuntu> sorry, im a newbie to this Kubuntu. I have the live cd, but can I have the root password?
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> Just run sudo -i
[08:40] <nixternal> login as kubuntu...no root password on live cd
[08:40] <LinuxMonkey> wassup guys
[08:40] <nixternal> sup LinuxMonkey
[08:40] <nixternal> my mouth is on fire
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Or select new root shell from the file menu in konsole
[08:41] <g-henna> i mean, why does fish:/ copy everything so that i can see the umlauts in every case, but rsync doesn't? is it a problem of konsole or of selected encoding or what?
[08:41] <wasp_ems> i am using a laptop and i am having a problem with my mouse.i am using the pad on the laptop..when i use the up and down arrow if i press it konqueror does a search..how can i disable this?
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu: Or select new root shell from the session menu in konsole sorry
[08:41] <g-henna> or ssh-client/server?
[08:41] <LinuxMonkey> not much, trying to find the address to download flight 7 again. my pc crashed last night,,,darn windows....lol
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> g-henna: both running kubuntu ?
[08:41] <Jel> ok i got amarok working
[08:42] <Jel> do you want to know what the issue was?
[08:42] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: this laptop (copy source) kubuntu, the remote server (copy dest) debian sarge
[08:42] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[08:42] <Jel> it can't play mp3's off my fat 32 drive (common space between windows and linux)
[08:42] <LinuxMonkey> nixternal thanks, as u posted i just found it in my papers here
[08:42] <Jel> i dont know why it cant. linux can access fat32 no worries
[08:43] <nixternal> hehe
[08:43] <Jel> but amarok has a heart attack
[08:43] <francois> Is there a samba pro ?
[08:43] <nixternal> no francois
[08:43] <nixternal> just straight up samba
[08:44] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[08:44] <francois> I want to connect my PC to a AD domain!
[08:44] <nixternal> samba pro used to be a horrible windows port back in the 90's
[08:44] <nixternal> one sec francois...lemme get you a link
[08:44] <LinuxMonkey> ew active directory...lol
[08:44] <nixternal> i use it...only for testing
[08:44] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: in konqueror, i can select 'remote charset'. if i select utf-8 there, everything still looks the same
[08:44] <nixternal> and most of my clients are scared that if i ever ditch them...they won't know what to do with linux
[08:45] <g-henna> with iso-88519-15, it looks at is is supposed to so
[08:45] <g-henna> :-)
[08:45] <francois> I want AD user to log on linux box
[08:45] <RadiantFire> so I'm having this wierd thing in k-mail where all of my contacts are duplicated,  I checked my Contacts list and it only has 1 resource, however, when I try to select address, 2 resources are in the dropdown menu, and there seems to be duplication of contacts.  Does anyone know how I can change this?
[08:45] <LinuxMonkey> im microsoft certified but hate it
[08:46] <nixternal> hahah me too LinuxMonkey
[08:46] <nixternal> got my Linux+ but companies fear it
[08:46] <Jel> is there any way to get amarok to read fat32 ?
[08:46] <nixternal> ccna cert and i don't ever use it
[08:46] <h3sp4wn> g-henna: dpkg-reconfigure locales set them both to the same
[08:46] <LinuxMonkey> AD,2000 server, 2000pro,isa, and a few others
[08:46] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[08:47] <uniq> g-henna: rsync simply copies the bytes, it doesn't care about charsets, so it's probably a problem with the application you're using to view the filenames.
[08:47] <nixternal> mmm...tree structure
[08:47] <nixternal> microsoft is stupid
[08:47] <LinuxMonkey> how many times has ad crashed .,....too many times to count
[08:47] <nixternal> actually...i will say...none of my servers have crashed
[08:48] <nixternal> only issue i had was a radius server/ad server on one box
[08:48] <nixternal> and they hated each other
[08:48] <g-henna> uniq: looking at the konsole window i am looking at, i see that umlauts are converted to utf8: "Die rzte" becomes "Die \303\204rzte"
[08:48] <LinuxMonkey> yeah well they usually crashed when another admin used it.
[08:48] <nixternal> lol
[08:48] <nixternal> thats why i don't work with other admins
[08:48] <macd> the problem is people think they know AD but they just know enough to mess something up
[08:48] <LinuxMonkey> i kept having to fix it for them
[08:48] <nixternal> this way here if something goes wrong...it is my fault
[08:48] <LinuxMonkey> lol
[08:49] <nixternal> which happened earlier today
[08:49] <h3sp4wn> Getting something equivalent to AD working with openldap / slapd is difficult (possible ?)
[08:49] <g-henna> so kubuntu uses utf-8 as locales-default, right?
[08:49] <nixternal> i had a nice bind9 fart go one
[08:49] <nixternal> oooh wee i wasn't payin' attention
[08:49] <nixternal> committed to something i shouldn't have and lets just say...1,000 people went...WTF#@@$#@#
[08:49] <LinuxMonkey> nixternal backups are the savior of any admin most of the time
[08:50] <nixternal> mine was an easy fix...but for 2 minutes...when 1000 people log in to check out there email and it can't connect...oh the phones go nuts
[08:50] <nixternal> i had it fixed in less then 2 minutes
[08:50] <macd> h3sp4wn: it can be done and rather easily, but it cant mimic interdomain trusts and proper replication b/t say 2 forrests not in the samy heirarchy
[08:50] <macd> so its not quite there yet.
[08:50] <nixternal> i swear...other users hear about what happened...they don'th ave a problem...but they call acting like they do
[08:51] <DrNickRiviera> i had some problems with apache, so i reinstalled it several times and now for some reason when i start adept i get the message, that the package database is already in use by another application and i wont be able to make any changes until that has been closed
[08:51] <DrNickRiviera> i've rebooted my system and the problem persists
[08:51] <DrNickRiviera> anyone got an idea what could be causing this?
[08:51] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: do i need to reboot for locale changes to take effect? i mean, what should actually be the outcome?
[08:51] <macd> DrNickRiviera: open konsole and type  'ps ax | grep adept'
[08:51] <nixternal> hey francois....have you set up the linux box to connect to the domain yet?
[08:51] <uniq> drnickriviera: 'fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock' will tell you what process using dpkg.
[08:52] <RadiantFire> DrNickRiviera: try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[08:52] <DrNickRiviera> i have, the only thing that comes up is the adept notifier
[08:54] <francois> Nixternal:  I have install kerberos, winbind and samba client
[08:54] <macd> DrNickRiviera: ok, go into /var/lib/apt/lists/  do you see a file called 'lock' ?
[08:54] <uniq> drnickriviera: kill it and restart adept and make a full upgrade.
[08:55] <DrNickRiviera> am just doing what RadiantFire suggested and that seems to be setting up the packages i had selected before it went wrong
[08:55] <RadiantFire> I had my adept crash when I tried to install sun-java5-jdk and that was how I got it back
[08:56] <francois> Nixternal: I have Kerboros ticket from my DC. I want de kde session manager with a logon to the domain!
[08:56] <RadiantFire> which I noticed the DLJ notice always crashes Adept
[08:56] <RadiantFire> mildly frustrating
[08:57] <DrNickRiviera> hmm, the command completed but when i try starting adept the cursor just bounces for a while and nothing happens :-/
[08:57] <h3sp4wn> g-henna: Just relogging in should be ok - But you can try rebooting if its not a production machine
[08:58] <RadiantFire> mmm, I dunno, sometimes adept is just finicky
[08:59] <wasp_ems> how do i extract bz2 files?
[08:59] <DrNickRiviera> ran an atp-get update and then the adept notifier came up
[08:59] <DrNickRiviera> and the adept updater is running through at the moment
[09:00] <DrNickRiviera> ah, seems to be working again now :)
[09:00] <macd> the adpet_updater had some problem last night, then I updates ~120 packages,  problem solved after that.
[09:00] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: ok, i rebooted now and additionally set in konqueror remote charset from standard to utf-8. shows up fine everywhere now
[09:00] <g-henna> thanks for your help
[09:01] <RadiantFire> good
[09:01] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: does that have any influence on whether filenames itselves are stored as utf-8 or iso8859-15?
[09:02] <h3sp4wn> g-henna: Don't know (I only use english which doesn't have many quirks)
[09:02] <Paradosso> how do I upgrade to kubuntu dapper?
[09:02] <DrNickRiviera> is someone here fairly familiar with apache and php?
[09:03] <wasp_ems> ok fuck it as noone is helping i will ask an easy question..do u know how u can change the fonts in the konsole once u have made it transparent?
[09:03] <DrNickRiviera> was working fine for me and at some point (must have installed some package to cause it, but not sure what) it started offering a download box when accessing php files
[09:03] <uniq> wasp_ems: in konsole 'bunzip2 file.bz2'
[09:03] <g-henna> h3sp4wn: i actually try to use ae and oe and so on instead of german umlauts (which is somehow silly... the further you get in technology, the more you have to pay attention on how to name your files...), but especially for music files, it is not quite beautiful like this
[09:04] <DrNickRiviera> which i assume means that apache doesn't know where the php interpreter is, but i don't understand why it used to work
[09:04] <wasp_ems> thanx uniq...
[09:05] <wasp_ems> anyone know about the fonts?
[09:05] <uniq> wasp_ems: and for the font, the method doesn't change when konsole is transparent. settings -> font
[09:05] <g-henna> ok, bye then everyone and thx for your advices
[09:05] <wasp_ems> uniq: it does not give me any option to change the colour
[09:06] <nixternal> umm
[09:06] <uniq> wasp_ems: ahh.. the colour.
[09:08] <uniq> wasp_ems: settings -> configure konsole -> appearance -> edit your color theme.
[09:08] <wasp_ems> uniq: i get an error that says that kcm_konsole.la not found in paths
[09:09] <uniq> ouch.
[09:09] <uniq> wasp_ems: are you on breezy? which kde version?
[09:10] <wasp_ems> breezy kde 3.5.2
[09:12] <g0dchild> Hi, is it possible to get xine-extracodecs on breezy?
[09:13] <g0dchild> I am unable to play any music on amarok-1.4 without this pkg- and i just read on the forum that i'd be needing this package
[09:13] <uniq> wasp_ems: this is a known bug with the kubuntu.org 3.5.2 breezy packages. workaround is explained in detail at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=154417
[09:13] <prashantk76> hi guys how i can login as a Admin in xubuntu
[09:13] <Brujah> pradeepto: you have to use sudo!
[09:13] <wasp_ems> uniq: ok thanx
[09:14] <pradeepto> Brujah: what?
[09:14] <Brujah> pradeepto: In ubuntu you do not login as root. You call the commands as user with the sudo command!
[09:15] <pradeepto> Brujah: yes but why are you telling me that?
[09:15] <Snake__> Brujah: wrong person ;)
[09:16] <Snake__> prashantk76: everything Brujah just said to pradeepto is directed to you
[09:16] <Brujah> it seems my client changed the name...
[09:16] <prashantk76> oh ok
[09:16] <Brujah> just typed 3 letters...
[09:16] <uniq> !sudo
[09:16] <ubotu> [sudo]  a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[09:17] <prashantk76> i wanna try to copy and paste some real players plug in but ...
[09:17] <pradeepto> Brujah: you scared me, really.
[09:17] <pradeepto> ;)
[09:17] <Brujah> pradeepto: sorry for that! :-)
[09:17] <Snake__> prashantk76: just put sudo before any command to run it as root
[09:17] <Snake__> (aka admin)
[09:17] <pradeepto> prashantk76: whatever admin realted job you want to do, just sudo for that.
[09:17] <pradeepto> Brujah: nah, j/k
[09:18] <prashantk76> ok if i wanna make dir then i have to write like :- sudo mkdir xyz
[09:18] <Snake__> prashantk76: correct
[09:18] <pradeepto> prashantk76: well if need be yes
[09:18] <prashantk76> cool thanks
[09:18] <prashantk76> i dont know i am new to linux
[09:19] <pradeepto> prashantk76: np
[09:19] <pradeepto> prashantk76: your name's Prashant?
[09:19] <prashantk76> thanks pradeepto
[09:19] <uniq> g0dchild: for info on restricted formats you can read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:19] <prashantk76> yeah i am prashant
[09:19] <pradeepto> interesting?
[09:20] <pradeepto> And you are from
[09:20] <prashantk76> germany
[09:20] <prashantk76> and u
[09:20] <Snake__> Wrap it up or take it to #kubuntu-offtopic please..
[09:20] <pradeepto> Mumbai, India.
[09:20] <Snake__> Or a /msg
[09:20] <pradeepto> Snake__: yup , sorry.
[09:20] <g0dchild> uniq, i figured that out and tried installing 'xine-extracodecs'
[09:20] <g0dchild> but cant find that in repository
[09:20] <prashantk76> cool where in mumbai
[09:21] <crimsun> g0dchild: it's libxine-extracodecs.
[09:21] <Snake__> crimsun: I think hes on breezy trying to run amarok 1.4
[09:21] <g0dchild> oh yes- my bad...thats the one
[09:21] <pradeepto> prashantk76: check /msg please.
[09:21] <g0dchild> its not there...i am using breezy- havent upgraded yet
[09:21] <Snake__> g0dchild: im not sure if that package is in breezy
[09:21] <g0dchild> Snake__, bingo...i suppose that wont work, right?
[09:21] <crimsun> Snake__: err, did he compile it himself? afaik, Riddell didn't compile 1.4 packages for breezy.
[09:22] <Snake__> crimsun: he didnt
[09:22] <Snake__> g0dchild: where did you get 1.4?
[09:22] <g0dchild> crimsun, found som bleeding repos- from source-o-matic which provided 1.4
[09:22] <crimsun> err, which repo?
[09:22] <crimsun> apt-cache policy amarok
[09:22] <g0dchild> lemme check...
[09:22] <prashantk76> sorry pradeep it says i am not registered here
[09:23] <Snake__> crimsun: probly...whats that dudes name.. he makes all the packages that shouldnt be here
[09:23] <g0dchild>       500 http://archive.czessi.net breezy/main Packages
[09:23] <pradeepto> prashantk76: ok, just join #kde-in please.
[09:23] <visik7> how many updates are there from flight 7 to current ?
[09:23] <Snake__> czessi that it
[09:23] <g0dchild> heh
[09:23] <g0dchild> is he the bad guy then?
[09:23] <Snake__> visik7: not to many, probly about 100 mb worth (if that)
[09:24] <crimsun> g0dchild: you'd still need libxine-extracodecs backported.
[09:24] <Snake__> g0dchild: not exactly, but breezy repos dont hold files to run 1.4
[09:24] <visik7> Snake__: I supose no other flight cd will be out before June 1st
[09:24] <jorugar1> Hola buenas tardes/noches a todos
[09:24] <Snake__> visik7: I believe 8 was just released, but ill assume thats the last one
[09:25] <Snake__> !es
[09:25] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:25] <jorugar1> con que comando puedo saber la version de kubuntu que tengo?
[09:25] <g0dchild> crimsun, alright- thanks for the tip then...i'll see if i can find it somewhere- or better yet, i am just as well off upgrading to dapper
[09:25] <crimsun> g0dchild: it's better to just dist-upgrade to dapper imo. Make sure you remove all those backports first.
[09:26] <jorugar1> sorry, i'm spanish guy. How I can know what kubuntu version I'm running
[09:26] <jorugar1> ?
[09:27] <g0dchild> are there any guides pointing to the dapper upgrade?
[09:27] <g0dchild> just in case.
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> lorugar1 :cat /etc/lsb-release
[09:27] <Brujah> Jorkar: muy facil! solamente hay 2 possibilidades. breezy o dapper. tienes que ver la liste de los archivos en el adept
[09:28] <jorugar1> I think is breezy. Thanks
[09:28] <Snake__> g0dchild: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[09:28] <Snake__> g0dchild: replace "gksudo" with "kdesu" when you type in that command
[09:29] <jorugar1> And how I can go to dapper from breezy? (sorry, my english language is not good)
[09:29] <g0dchild> will do...
[09:29] <Brujah> jorugar1: Replace all breezy to dapper in the list
[09:29] <Snake__> g0dchild: youll also need these:
[09:29] <Snake__> !sources
[09:29] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:29] <Snake__> g0dchild: replace your breezy sources with the dapper ones
[09:32] <Samuli^> g0dchild, sudo sed -e 's/breezy/dapper' -i /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:33] <Snake__> Samuli^: not a good idea if he has non-offical sources. dont you think?
[09:33] <g0dchild> thanks- Samuli^ makes life a lot easier :D
[09:34] <g0dchild> Snake__, i can remove the backports manually
[09:34] <g0dchild> ...if it isnt going to create further probs
[09:34] <Snake__> nope
[09:35] <g0dchild> sed: -e expression #1, char 15: unterminated `s' command
[09:35] <Samuli^> Snake__, No, I don't think. It's good if they're not enabled when upgrading.
[09:35] <Snake__> "The bandwidth of the main Ubuntu server is not infinite. " Pshhh could have fooled me
[09:36] <Samuli^> g0dchild, oh sorry. 's/breezy/dapper/'
[09:36] <theine> Does anyone know how to use the latex plugin in kopete? It somehow doesn't work on my Dapper machine
[09:37] <g0dchild> no probs :D
[09:38] <theine> Nevermind...
[09:38] <allee> anyone using digikam?
[09:38] <theine> I figured it out
[09:38] <Samuli^> In one command whole thing is sudo sed -e 's/breezy/dapper/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:38] <kronoz> allee, just ask your question
[09:38] <Samuli^> I should write that down and just paste around.
[09:39] <allee> kronoz: when you plugin you camera and select digikam in the media selection dialog.  Does digikam work as expected for you?
[09:39] <Brujah> allee: sure. works fine!
[09:39] <allee> Brujah: same question to you ask for kronoz
[09:40] <NewToKubuntu> how do i run a console application using Monodevelop from the Konsole?
[09:40] <Brujah> allee: yes. I have to turn the camera on before starting it. but if i do it works fine!
[09:40] <allee> Brujah: camera download dialog comes up for you?
[09:41] <Brujah> allee: yes! I get small versions of the pictures stored in my camera.
[09:41] <kronoz> if the camera has an sd card i reccomend removing it and copying the pictues on to the pc from that then putting it back in the camera
[09:42] <allee> Brujah, kronoz: when a gphoto ro USB storage camera is inserted.  Do you get an 'media action dialog'?
[09:43] <Brujah> allee: i have a canon camera. which gets detected automatically. No clue about anything else
[09:44] <allee> Brujah: what do you mean with detected automaticly?
[09:45] <Brujah> allee: In the "add camera" dialog
[09:46] <allee> Brujah: ah, damn!  So you get no 'media selector dialog' when you connect camera.  Ditto here :(
[09:48] <allee> Brujah, kronoz: btw. you both run dapper, didn't you?
[09:48] <Brujah> allee: of course :-)
[09:48] <kronoz> allee, yeah
[09:49] <allee> Brujah, kronoz and when you connect camera to PC you get no 'media selector dialog'?
[09:50] <kronoz> allee, 've never tried, i was just saying to ask your question instead of asking to ask
[09:50] <Brujah> allee: yes I got it. But I said I do not want to see it anymore!
[09:50] <allee> kronoz: care to try? :)
[09:50] <allee> Brujah: ah, okay
[10:03] <carverk> What would make an application not show in the Menu?
[10:04] <carverk> Or katapult?
[10:04] <NthDegree> hey has anyone got any tips for setting up an optimised KDE environment?
[10:04] <racookier> where are the default http directory of apache2?
[10:05] <allee> carverk: where a hidden attribute that can be used to hide it from k-menu
[10:05] <allee> racookier: default dir: /var/www
[10:05] <racookier> thanks
[10:06] <racookier> and the httpd.conf?
[10:06] <allee> racookier: default dirs you set in files in /etc/apache2/{available,enabled}-sites/
[10:06] <carverk> DaSkreech: Hi!!
[10:06] <Sythen> Hey
[10:06] <racookier> thanks allee
[10:07] <racookier> will try
[10:07] <allee> racookier: /etc/apache/sites-available/default
[10:07] <Sythen> I have a problem, I cannot get Kubuntu to install. Ubuntu installs (with a problem or two..) but Kubuntu gives this error: "The debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1). Check /target/var/log/debootstrap.log for the details"
[10:07] <allee> sites-enabled like to http.conf-like files in sites-available/
[10:08] <NthDegree> Sythen try installing ubuntu-server then installing KDE from aptitude
[10:09] <NthDegree> tis' what i'm gonna do in half an hour to sort out the perfect KDE environment
[10:09] <Sythen> ya mean apt :P aptitude isnt in server though, is it, because it is a guiapp, right?
[10:09] <NthDegree> nope
[10:09] <NthDegree> aptitude is text based
[10:09] <Sythen> hmm
[10:09] <Sythen> whats the gui based thing?
[10:09] <NthDegree> adept is the KDE package manger
[10:10] <NthDegree> or Kynaptic (Synaptic for GNOME)
[10:10] <Sythen> okay
[10:10] <Sythen> hmm
[10:10] <NthDegree> it's easy to use
[10:10] <NthDegree> it loads like a gui app but text based
[10:10] <Sythen> ill stick with apt-get install
[10:10] <NthDegree> that'll do it
[10:10] <NthDegree> just install the base system with ubuntu-server
[10:10] <Sythen> okay
[10:11] <Sythen> ill try that
[10:11] <NthDegree> then apt-get install KDE should work
[10:11] <Sythen> is it kde or kde-desktop?
[10:11] <NthDegree> kde should do it
[10:11] <Sythen> i dunno
[10:11] <racookier> thanks allee
[10:12] <racookier> and the smb.conf default file?
[10:12] <javier> the official metapackage is kubuntu-desktop
[10:12] <allee> racookier: n.p.
[10:12] <racookier> i tring to use swat, but i cant
[10:12] <Sythen> my problem might be with gnome, because the whole computer freezes when gnome is loading. hopefully it doesnt happen with KDE <kde wub>
[10:12] <javier> that will install the default kubuntu desktop (kde with tweaks)
[10:12] <Sythen> javier thanks
[10:12] <NthDegree> bad idea lol
[10:12] <allee> racookier: try: locate smb.conf
[10:13] <NthDegree> ubuntu was made for gnome, hence why I want to mod mine from the ground up
[10:13] <Sythen> NthDegree yeah I know
[10:13] <Sythen> but off to serverize my buntu
[10:14] <evildeath> 216 people how use linux wow nice
[10:14] <kronoz> how do i do recursive tar?
[10:14] <evildeath> or kubuntu :D
[10:14] <racookier> how to acces swat (samba) http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:901 dont work
[10:15] <kronoz> evildeath, the linux-counter is at 400 odd thousand
[10:15] <kronoz> and that just desktop users who want to register
[10:15] <NthDegree> i don't use kubuntu, i'm using windows till ubuntu-server gets it's ass redownloaded
[10:15] <NthDegree> debian messed me up :(
[10:15] <kronoz> NthDegree, how?
[10:15] <evildeath> ok ok ok
[10:16] <NthDegree> no KDE on AMD64 copy
[10:16] <NthDegree> well over half of it is broken
[10:16] <kronoz> NthDegree, debian-kde?
[10:16] <NthDegree> nope
[10:16] <NthDegree> normal debian, base only install
[10:16] <kronoz> NthDegree, etch has amd64, and so does sarge i think
[10:17] <NthDegree> i know
[10:17] <kronoz> oh.. i see now
[10:17] <NthDegree> tried one of them
[10:17] <kronoz> sorry i though you meant no kde or amd64 support
[10:17] <kronoz> s/though/thought
[10:17] <NthDegree> and i tried apt-getting kde no luck and none on aptitude either
[10:18] <NthDegree> i'll be customising my stuff and quite possibly using redhat for GNOME as it seems to be better built for RH
[10:18] <kronoz> yum will make you hate it though
[10:19] <NthDegree> tell me about it lol
[10:19] <NthDegree> SuSE was cr@p for me, kept crashing 24/7
[10:19] <NthDegree> FC4 was unstable
[10:19] <kronoz> SuSE is ok imo
[10:19] <NthDegree> not for me
[10:19] <NthDegree> kde and gnome both had random lockups 24/7
[10:19] <NthDegree> where not even the mouse pointer moved
[10:20] <kronoz> NthDegree, with an nvidia card?
[10:20] <noteventime> 10.1 is supposed to be kickass :)
[10:20] <NthDegree> yes nvidia lol
[10:20] <macd> yast is impressive
[10:20] <NthDegree> :|
[10:20] <NthDegree> u stoned?
[10:20] <kronoz> NthDegree, theres a xorg error which causes that
[10:20] <kronoz> NthDegree, i used to get it alot on gentoo, really annoying
[10:20] <NthDegree> well it doesn't have that problem with ubuntu
[10:21] <macd> if I was it wouldnt matter....yast is about as good as it gets for hardware detection
[10:21] <NthDegree> only SuSE had that problem
[10:24] <kronoz> 10.1 is a bit rough imo, new package management with rug and zenworks linux management (zmd)
[10:25] <kronoz> + transition to gnome loads of other changes
[10:34] <Bazzi> bad decision by suse to switch to gnome IMO :(
[10:35] <RadiantFire> I wonder why they did it
[10:36] <nixternal> bad decision by suse to sell to novell imo ;)
[10:37] <Bazzi> yeah :/ novell is crap if you ask me
[10:37] <RadiantFire> SuSe was my first distro
[10:37] <RadiantFire> 8.2 I think
[10:37] <RadiantFire> or something like that
[10:38] <RadiantFire> ahh, memories
[10:38] <nixternal> suse was my 3rd distro...and longest running distro
[10:38] <racookier> how to install samba under kubuntu 5.10???
[10:38] <nixternal> i did suse from 5 point something to novell
[10:38] <RadiantFire> SaX is a great tool though
[10:38] <racookier> because in the samba properties window a cant see the "Administrator Mode" Button
[10:38] <nixternal> i remember testing yast2
[10:38] <Bazzi> my first dist was debian (through ssh on a server at that time, but nevertheless...)
[10:39] <Bazzi> so somehow I stuck to debian :/
[10:39] <RadiantFire> I tried Debian, I couldn't get it to load anything newer than a 2.2 kernel on the install without freezing, so I gave up
[10:39] <Bazzi> yeah after my server experience I tried fedora core 1 or 2 on my desktop
[10:40] <Bazzi> it was a disaster
[10:40] <Bazzi> I stumbled upon ubuntu along the way
[10:40] <Bazzi> 4.10+5.04 were not quite ready IMO
[10:40] <Bazzi> but after trying dapper now I'll finally do the switch from win
[10:41] <RadiantFire> I installed 5.10 Kubuntu, coming from Gentoo
[10:41] <RadiantFire> I'm still enjoying it immensly
[10:41] <Bazzi> yeah I tried gentoo as well, too much work :/
[10:41] <RadiantFire> the reason I switched was I was getting a laptop and Gentoo is a nightmare to configure networking at runtime
[10:42] <racookier> how to install swat under kubuntu 5.10???
[10:42] <macd> not to mention a 24hr install process, what a joke.
[10:42] <uros> how do i go about finding the package id3info if it is not in the repositories (i have universe/multiverse enabled)
[10:42] <RadiantFire> macd: I've had a Gentoo install up and running in 1:29
[10:42] <macd> yeah with nothing but a base system
[10:42] <RadiantFire> Stage3 is your friend
[10:42] <NthDegree> hahah
[10:42] <Bazzi> using binary packages is just half the fun though
[10:42] <RadiantFire> no, fully functional environment
[10:42] <NthDegree> gentoo doesn't work for me
[10:42] <RadiantFire> I used the GRPs
[10:42] <macd> yeah thats not "gentoolike"
[10:43] <macd> those wierdos
[10:43] <RadiantFire> macd, it is if you recompile afterwards :)
[10:43] <NthDegree> I prefer hacking ubuntu
[10:43] <macd> if my system didnt compile it with USE flags its not optimized
[10:43] <macd> blah blah blah
[10:43] <RadiantFire> there are alot of nutjobs
[10:43] <macd> they can keep thier 1000th of a second
[10:44] <NthDegree> more than that macd
[10:44] <RadiantFire> compiling architecture is a noticable difference
[10:44] <NthDegree> gentoo is very fast if it supports your hardware
[10:44] <macd> and the rice comes out....
[10:45] <RadiantFire> I only changed CFLAGS on a few packages though
[10:45] <NthDegree> and it makes for a better KDE distro than any other right now
[10:45] <RadiantFire> like Blender
[10:45] <Bazzi> NthDegree: dapper runs more stable for me than gentoo ran
[10:45] <RadiantFire> macd: there is also the sexiness of having multiple KDE versions installed in parallel :)
[10:45] <macd> balh
[10:45] <NthDegree> bazzi: ever tried hacking kubuntu to improve it's KDEness
[10:45] <RadiantFire> lol, I know, completely useless, but f un
[10:46] <RadiantFire> KDEness?
[10:46] <Bazzi> NthDegree: yes, once, and failed :/
[10:46] <NthDegree> i'm installing ubuntu-server then adding KDE
[10:46] <NthDegree> i want to hack @ mine
[10:46] <Bazzi> I won't give up so easily, though :)
[10:46] <crum> I just want to learn how to use mine
[10:46] <macd> theres not that much difference from ubuntu-server+ kde and kubuntu
[10:47] <macd> its all the meta packages, you might have a slightly cleaner install
[10:47] <macd> I dont think it would run any better...
[10:47] <NthDegree> i think it would
[10:47] <macd> I tried it once for reference, breezy.
[10:47] <NthDegree> which is why I am doing it in 5 mins
[10:47] <Bazzi> btw, is there any way to boost boot time on kubuntu?
[10:47] <macd> Nth you going to use kde 3.5 ?
[10:47] <Bazzi> starts slow as crap
[10:48] <RadiantFire> Bazzi, turn off servics you are not using
[10:48] <macd> Bazzi: turn of services not needed.
[10:48] <NthDegree> macd i'm gonna use the KDE in the official repos for now
[10:48] <macd> disabling the ntp time sync is a HUGE help
[10:48] <macd> NthDegree: yeah I was but moved to deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351 breezy main
[10:48] <RadiantFire> don't use 3.5.1
[10:49] <Bazzi> there are not many services I dont use
[10:49] <RadiantFire> use 3.5.2 if you can get at it
[10:49] <macd> Its fine.....
[10:49] <Bazzi> I couldn't name one
[10:49] <RadiantFire> I had all sorts of problems with 3.5.1
[10:49] <RadiantFire> all the lil konq-addons were busted
[10:49] <NthDegree> i'm using dapper
[10:49] <RadiantFire> oh
[10:49] <RadiantFire> nm then
[10:49] <macd> works for me just fine, Im on dapper now....
[10:49] <macd> but I still run that kde repo
[10:49] <Bazzi> I heard of some parallel booting/starting of some services, is that possible? w/ init-ng or something.
[10:49] <RadiantFire> yeah, it works on dapper, but not so good in breezy
[10:50] <RadiantFire> Bazzi, yes, initng, but it is still highly experimental
[10:50] <RadiantFire> Bazzi: don't break your system...
[10:50] <NthDegree> i am going to constantly get sources and upgrade KDE as needed
[10:50] <Bazzi> I don't mind right now
[10:50] <Bazzi> I'm in testing and evaluation period
[10:50] <macd> NthDegree: that kinda defeats the purpose for me :P
[10:50] <Bazzi> and will cleanly reinstall the system once dapper final is out
[10:50] <RadiantFire> Bazzi: does your sy stem take a long time to complete a step, or is it just slow
[10:50] <macd> I just want to work, not spend my time doing that, but to each thier own
[10:50] <RadiantFire> because my startup was probably about 30% improved from Breezy
[10:51] <Bazzi> RadiantFire: overall loading, nothing special
[10:51] <NthDegree> I am also gonna remove the ubuntu graphical bootup
[10:51] <NthDegree> and change the looks etc.
[10:51] <macd> theres also some experimentation usinga  single xml file for configuration in kubuntu replacing all of /etc...
[10:51] <h3sp4wn> NthDegree: If you want to do that why not just run debian unstable ?
[10:51] <NthDegree> i only want ubuntu for it's brilliance :D so i can hack it to my will
[10:51] <macd> but youve undone it all then
[10:52] <NthDegree> debian unstable has no AMD64 KDE
[10:52] <RadiantFire> macd: that seems like a silly idea, great way to get full corrupted systems from 1 mistake
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> NthDegree: http://amd64.debian.net or kanotix
[10:55] <NthDegree> I buggered kanotix in 1 hour it was so crap
[10:56] <NthDegree> and i did try debian amd64
[10:56] <NthDegree> KDE was broken - half of it's dependencies weren't htere
[10:56] <h3sp4wn> I have been using it from the laptop I am on perfectly for a few days
[10:56] <linuxmonkey> wassup I'm back
[10:57] <NthDegree> try apt-get update then apt-get upgrade :P
[10:57] <macd> RadiantFire: well silly has been working for me for 8 years of debian
[10:57] <NthDegree> then try and tell me the same thing about kanotix
[10:57] <macd> ohh wrong reply
[10:57] <macd> heh
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> That would just upgrade me to sid
[10:57] <NthDegree> brb ubuntu hax0ring time
[10:57] <macd> RadiantFire:  it just makes configuration very easy sort of like a windows registry <insert shudder here/>
[10:58] <RadiantFire> oh well
[10:58] <RadiantFire> as long as there are comments
[10:58] <macd> yeah and everytings in plan text
[10:58] <RadiantFire> registry is the most difficult thing to change ever
[10:58] <RadiantFire> I just have visions of a broken system from someone trying to manually edit it and losing a closing brace
[10:58] <macd> its just xml, so imagine the possibilities of handling that b/t differetn distros
[10:59] <RadiantFire> then again, I try not to edit conf files by hand anymore,  I have a tendency to break things when I try
[10:59] <macd> hehe
[11:00] <macd> Im from the days when a GUI was only a dream in xerox's r&d dept, I feel pretty at home at console
[11:00] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in a minute in #ubuntu-meeting
[11:01] <RadiantFire> macd: as do I, from 2 years of using Gentoo
[11:01] <RadiantFire> but I had a nasty insident where I tried to edit my udev rules by hand
[11:02] <macd> maybee not the best idea :P
[11:02] <RadiantFire> hey, in the end I was successful, but having your system unable to create devices is not the best state
[11:03] <macd> indeed
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> If you are going to edit anything I usually start from scratch if I can or from the default upstream configuration - Its very difficult to work out what is going on with the complex way packages are setup in ubuntu - And the documentation is alot less complete usually
[11:04] <RadiantFire> this was in Gentoo
[11:04] <RadiantFire> afaik Gentoo has the best documentation ever
[11:04] <RadiantFire> some might argue too much
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> I think freebsd's documentation is more complete / easier to navigate
[11:06] <RadiantFire> I'll be happy if they ever get hal working on FreeBSD
[11:12] <LeeJunFan> RadiantFire: didn't hal come from freebsd?
[11:13] <RadiantFire> I read an article that they are attempting to port it to FreeBSD
[11:13] <RadiantFire> so the different volume managers will work
[11:18] <racookier> how to install SWAT (samba) under kubuntu 5.10?
[11:19] <Bazzi> hmmm initng indeed seems still to be a pain
[11:20] <wasp_ems> ok i need help with two things..firstly is there a way that i can have an icon in my taskbar that shows me when i am connected to the internet and the second is that when i use my mouse on the laptop and i scroll up or down with the wheel, if i press on it it starts searching..can that be disabled?
[11:22] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: breezy or dappeR?
[11:22] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: breezy
[11:22] <Hobbsee> !info knemo
[11:22] <ubotu> knemo: (network interfaces monitor for KDEs systray), section universe/kde, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-2ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 171 kB, Installed size: 808 kB
[11:22] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[11:23] <allee> knemo problem?
[11:23] <racookier> anybody knows how to install SWAT (samba) under kubuntu 5.10?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> allee: no, wasp_ems is looking for a taskbar app to display net connectoin, ie, knemo
[11:23] <Hobbsee> !swat
[11:23] <ubotu> swat is, like, totally, Samba Web Administration Tool | sudo apt-get install swat | http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html
[11:24] <h3sp4wn> racookier: swat doesn't work properly without the root account enabled
[11:24] <allee> Hobbsee: good suggestion ;)
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> racookier: It also needs inetd to be running / installed
[11:27] <wasp_ems> i will be gone for 5 minutes..can u think about them and send me a private message please?
[11:29] <racookier> how to install swat (samba) under kubuntu 5.10??
[11:30] <Hobbsee> !tell racookier about swat
[11:30] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: i only know of knemo, you may find more by searching in adept
[11:31] <racookier> adept install samba (but dont install swat)
[11:35] <visik7> racookier: samba doesn't depend on swat
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> racooker: sudo aptitude install swat inetd then /etc/init.d/inetd reload - it should be listening on port 901 (http://127.0.0.1:901) Then try logging in (However I believe that in order to the configuration properly you need to set a password for root)
[11:36] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: so i should just install knemo?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> wasp_ems: i think so, i'm not sure what the configuration files for it are like in breezy though
[11:37] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: ok thanx
[11:38] <g0dchild> Is there a way to get a scrnshot of a text terminal?
[11:38] <wasp_ems> so what exactly does sudo apt-get -f install do?
[11:38] <g0dchild> I hope i described that properly- am talking about a text-console.
[11:39] <g0dchild> --fix-broken
[11:39] <wasp_ems> ok thanx
[11:39] <HymnToLife> g0dchild> if you want to record the output of a command, add > filename.txt at the end
[11:39] <g0dchild> i havent seen it do anythin  useful if you mess ur system up real bad though
[11:40] <g0dchild> HymnToLife, no, its ok, i know how to echo out the output of a command to a file...i was just checking whether if there're any programs that does exactly what i described...taking a scrot and saving it to an image file
[11:41] <HymnToLife> I don't think there is
[11:41] <g0dchild> thanks though...i guess i am ruling out the possibilities here
[11:41] <HymnToLife> and anyway I don't think it would be much useful
[11:42] <g0dchild> no it isnt. for the sake of didactics, if you will.
[11:42] <linuxmonkey> any know how to get mp3 working in dapper
[11:42] <linuxmonkey> im reading the restrictedformat on the wiki and no help
[11:42] <h3sp4wn> sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[11:42] <g0dchild> linuxmonkey, am still downloading :) will have to wait and see :)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: install libxine-extracodecs
[11:43] <HymnToLife> g0dchild> oh yeah I see, fur such things I run my Linux in a VM on windows
[11:43] <linuxmonkey> cool thanks
[11:43] <linuxmonkey> some reason i read over the note
[11:43] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:44] <linuxmonkey> i think the wiki needs to be more K specific :)
[11:44] <wasp_ems> Hobbsee: after i install knemo where do i go to set it up?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> allee:  *poke* - how to set up knemo
[11:44] <wasp_ems> :S
[11:45] <RadiantFire> knemo installs a kcontrol module
[11:45] <racookier> aptitude install swat... do nothing
[11:46] <allee> Hobbsee: tonio fixed default setup.
[11:46] <Hobbsee> allee: even in breezy?
[11:46] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, breezy, well...
[11:47] <allee> afaik when knemo starts up first time one get's asked to configure it.
[11:47] <linuxmonkey> hobbsee didnt work
[11:47] <linuxmonkey> its saying No candidate version found for libxine-extracodecs
[11:47] <h3sp4wn> racookier: Have you installed inetd and swat ?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodecs dapper
[11:48] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1148 kB, Installed size: 2976 kB
[11:48] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: got multiverse enabled?
[11:48] <linuxmonkey> yessir
[11:48] <linuxmonkey> i enabled the from adept
[11:48] <linuxmonkey> them*
[11:50] <wasp_ems> if i click on local network browsing in kcontrol i get an error the module cannot be found..know why?
[11:51] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: i fixed it , should work this time
[11:51] <linuxmonkey> I had enabled the wrong multiverse
[11:52] <koolguynet> this may seem like a dumb question, but why isn't amarok 1.4 listed in Adept, do I have to manually get it?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> !amarok1.4
[11:53] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:53] <Hobbsee> koolguynet: see topic
[11:53] <goldenear> koolguynet: check www.kubuntu.org
[11:53] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:53] <racookier> apt-get install swat  - dont work - E: cant find package swat
[11:53] <wasp_ems> anyone know why local network browsing has that problem?
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> koolguynet: add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main to /etc/apt/sources.list (Only on dapper)
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> racookier: Do you have universe enabled ?
[11:54] <koolguynet> thx
[11:54] <klerfayt> why should I have services like raid and lvm starting at boot?
[11:56] <racookier> yes
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> klerfayt: install sysv-rc-conf if you know what you are doing
[11:57] <koolguynet> h3sp4wtn, thanks!  That worked
[11:58] <Hobbsee> klerfayt: there's a howto on ubuntu forums for that
[11:58] <wasp_ems> can i upgrade only my konsole to dapper?
[11:59] <salty> #kubuntu-de
[12:00] <h3sp4wn> wasp_ems: I don't understand what you mean
[12:00] <CutieCoder> Oi ;)
[12:01] <wasp_ems> well i dont want to upgrade fully to dapper..but because i can a problem with my konsole that can only be fixed if upgraded to dapper i was wondering if it is possible
[12:01] <racookier> i need swat (how to install)
[12:02] <desig007> hello everyone?
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> wasp_ems: Are you using kde 3.52 ? (Help about kde)
[12:02] <wasp_ems> yes
[12:02] <desig007> i need help INSTALLING kubuntu!
[12:03] <klerfayt> let's say I enabled universe&multiverse and decided to install msttcorefonts - do I have to run something else after installing them or just restart x?
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> wasp_ems: There is not much you can do without fully upgrading to dapper
[12:03] <CutieCoder> desig007: start by reading the manual ;)
[12:03] <desig007> i need help INSTALLING kubuntu!
[12:03] <soulcollector> is there anyone here familiar with RM Networks?
[12:03] <wasp_ems> h3sp4wn: ok thanx
[12:03] <desig007> i did
[12:04] <desig007> i seem to be having the same problem that a lot of other people have hand
[12:04] <desig007> had
[12:04] <CutieCoder> soulcollector: somewhat
[12:04] <wasp_ems> anyway good night all and thanx for the help
[12:04] <desig007> it gets to "Starting partitioner" 52%
[12:04] <desig007> and stops
[12:04] <desig007> anyone?
[12:04] <h3sp4wn> Are you using the latest daily build ?
[12:05] <desig007> no 5.10
[12:05] <desig007> currently on mandriva 2006
[12:05] <desig007> wanna leave it behind
[12:05] <CutieCoder> soulcollector: don't /msg me, talk in the channel
[12:05] <soulcollector> soz, dnt use irc much
[12:05] <desig007> i could really use help =(
[12:05] <soulcollector> cutiecoder im trying to integrate a kubuntu box into a CC3 network..
[12:06] <desig007> i really wanna see what the fuss is about kubuntu
[12:06] <CutieCoder> soulcollector: ok, good for you... now did you have a question?
[12:07] <soulcollector> CutieCoder: yeh, i have looked at some of the online FAQs and just need a bit of a push in the right direction
[12:07] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: like determining which of the servers is the domain controller, etc.
[12:08] <desig007> hello?
[12:09] <soulcollector> brb
[12:10] <soulcollector> back
[12:10] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: and what adds to the confusion is the number of file servers there are (there are different ones for different year groups)
[12:11] <klerfayt> very strange I can suspend to ram with nvidia drivers but not with nv
[12:11] <CutieCoder> soulcollector: are you setting this for home or work?
[12:11] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: school.
[12:12] <CutieCoder> University?
[12:12] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: nah, secondary
[12:13] <CutieCoder> soulcollector: Quebec?
[12:13] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: eh??
[12:14] <CutieCoder> errrm
[12:14] <CutieCoder> wrong window ;)
[12:14] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: fair enuf. lol
[12:15] <CutieCoder> Well, ask your system administrator... he should have enough clue as to which server you should connect and which file server / print server you have the right to use
[12:15] <Prak> nixternal, are you there?
[12:15] <nixternal> i heard my name being called
[12:15] <nixternal> how you doing Prak?
[12:16] <Prak> just starting up linux again
[12:16] <Obst> hi
[12:16] <nixternal> alrighty....still having the same problem ey
[12:16] <Obst> is dapper stable ranked?
[12:16] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: thats the thing, he knows we wanna do it and gave us the ok.. hes just not v helpful. he didnt even know what wireless network we ran.
[12:16] <soulcollector> (unrelated, but meh)
[12:16] <Prak> yes
[12:16] <Prak> having the same problem for a long time
[12:17] <nixternal> well...lets try and get this fixed
[12:17] <Prak> ok
[12:17] <Prak> last time we're at configuring the static ip
[12:17] <Prak> i think
[12:17] <nixternal> ok...you got that configured right?
[12:18] <nixternal> i had it in the pastebin for you to look over
[12:18] <nixternal> your /etc/network/interfaces should have looked similar to the following
[12:18] <nixternal> auto eth0
[12:18] <nixternal> iface eth0 inet static
[12:18] <nixternal> address 192.168.0.100
[12:18] <nixternal> gateway 192.168.0.1
[12:19] <nixternal> netmask 255.255.255.0
[12:19] <nixternal> that should be below the lo config...
[12:19] <Prak> for the address, is it whatever my router's ip address relative to the rest of the web?
[12:20] <nixternal> no...your router's ip address is the gateway
[12:20] <Prak> ok
[12:20] <nixternal> the address is one that is on the same subnet...for instance 192.168.0.100 or .101 or .102....etc
[12:20] <Prak> not below mapping hotplug?
[12:20] <nixternal> mapping hotplug?
[12:20] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: ill try and push him for some info and follow the online guides the best i can.
[12:21] <Prak> i'll type out mine and send it to you
[12:21] <Prak> how should i do it?
[12:21] <soulcollector> cutiecoder: i got other things to worry about atm neway - IT exams tomorrow :|
[12:21] <nixternal> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:22] <nixternal> you can use that...once you post...copy and paste the ip
[12:22] <nixternal> url rather
[12:22] <nixternal> it will look like http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/731569 <---but the number will be different
[12:23] <linuxmonkey> anyone have any issues playing music from a shared samba drive?
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> linuxmonkey: What type of a shared samba drive ? from linux / samba ?
[12:26] <linuxmonkey> is there a way to play music through a shared samba drive thats protected with password. its on another linux box that I use as a file server
[12:26] <nixternal> pastebin.com is horribly slow
[12:27] <HymnToLife> linuxmonkey> I suggest using NFS instead of Samba
[12:27] <linuxmonkey> HymnToLife: only 1 problem with that
[12:27] <linuxmonkey> i got a windows system that uses it constantly
[12:27] <nixternal> mt-daapd
[12:27] <nixternal> ;D
[12:28] <nixternal> my fav
[12:28] <nixternal> Prak: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/732047    <--your /etc/network/interfaces should look like that
[12:32] <linuxmonkey> is there a way to use NFS with windows so that it can write to the linux file server and read from it just like a share, or should I just run both NFS and samba
[12:32] <nixternal> you got it
[12:32] <nixternal> i fear talkin' to windows
[12:33] <Prak> nixternal, i'm posting the stuff onto pastebin right now
[12:33] <nixternal> roger that
[12:33] <nixternal> it should take a good week ;)
[12:33] <nixternal> xubuntu on my old ass laptop is decent
[12:33] <nixternal> i just need to install the kubuntu-desktop and it will be the bomb
[12:34] <linuxmonkey> now the debate starts should I upgrade amarok
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> what do u like?
[12:35] <nixternal> my iPod ;)
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> except the sexy strippers in toronto
[12:35] <nixternal> lol
[12:35] <nixternal> shhh...my wife is near by
[12:35] <nixternal> ./clear
[12:35] <nixternal> ;D
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[12:35] <linuxmonkey> hehehe
[12:36] <nixternal> i use the whole mt-daapd thing...until someone can show me a better setup
[12:36] <nixternal> i can access it with every machine in the house w/o issue
[12:36] <nixternal> iTunes sees my daap server as soon as it starts up...and on my linux box i use rythmbox and banshee
[12:36] <nixternal> i haven't figured which i like better
[12:37] <linuxmonkey> yeah but keep in mind i got a windows box too :(
[12:37] <nixternal> ya...i have 4 win boxes
[12:37] <nixternal> 3 winxp and 1 win2k
[12:37] <nixternal> 3 upstairs...one downstairs
[12:37] <nixternal> i have 4 linux boxes
[12:37] <linuxmonkey> so windows recognises the mt-daapd
[12:37] <nixternal> 2 servers....1 laptop and 1 desktop
[12:38] <nixternal> ya...iTunes sees it as soon as it opens
[12:38] <linuxmonkey> itunes..lol
[12:38] <nixternal> i love itunes
[12:38] <nixternal> itunes owns
[12:38] <nixternal> it is freakin' garbage too
[12:38] <linuxmonkey> i dont have my ipod yet
[12:38] <Prak> is pastebin slow right now?
[12:38] <linuxmonkey> lol
[12:38] <nixternal> proprietary crap
[12:38] <nixternal> you don't need an ipod for itunes
[12:38] <linuxmonkey> prak yes
[12:39] <Monketh> Ipod?  And you call yourself "linuxmonkey?"
[12:39] <nixternal> you can dl itunes from apple...freeby
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> i got a tatoo of tus on my shoulder
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> tux
[12:39] <nixternal> who is tus
[12:39] <Prak> ok
[12:39] <klerfayt> linuxmonkey: real tattoo?
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> nixternal: i meant tux
[12:39] <linuxmonkey> and yes its a real tatoo
[12:39] <Monketh> That's pretty crazy.
[12:40] <Monketh> Anywho, I'd go for a COWON iAudio X5, it's OS agnostic and supports OGG, mp3, FLAC, etc.
[12:40] <Monketh> It's also cheaper than some ipod models...
[12:41] <linuxmonkey> yeah well the ipod was free for me
[12:41] <klerfayt> linuxmonkey: can you show us that tattoo?
[12:41] <luksan> why does Kubuntu require a restart for new applications to appear in the KMenu?
[12:41] <nixternal> i got my ipod for christmas
[12:41] <nixternal> otherwise i wouldn't have one either
[12:41] <Monketh> luksan: *shrug*  Universally, or have tried logging in then loggin out.
[12:41] <Monketh> Oh!
[12:41] <linuxmonkey> ok klerfayt , gimme a sec i'll put em on my site if they havent shut it down
[12:41] <luksan> Monketh: yeah, that's what i meant by restart
[12:42] <luksan> Monketh: but no other distro requires it
[12:42] <Monketh> Nice to see another kubuntu user, btw.
[12:42] <luksan> Monketh: maybe i need to install FAM
[12:42] <nixternal> there is a 512mb mp3 player/usb flash drive at fry's electronics...if i had the need for a portable mp3 player...that would be the one i would get...it costs $39 and it sounded great
[12:42] <Prak> i've posted my information on pastebin with the router stuff
[12:42] <Monketh> I dunno, that's interesting.
[12:42] <Prak> i can't figure out which one is which
[12:43] <nixternal> ok...look up top...you will see a # in the url
[12:43] <nixternal> what is that number?
[12:43] <Prak> 732064
[12:44] <nixternal> loadin' now
[12:44] <nixternal> give me 2 days
[12:44] <nixternal> ;D
[12:44] <nixternal> the pastebin is a great idea...especially for a channel like this...but it is way to slow
[12:44] <nixternal> i think it is time to find another option
[12:44] <luksan> Monketh: i got tired of Gentoo packages not building
[12:45] <Monketh> : D
[12:45] <nixternal> omg prak
[12:45] <nixternal> are you kidding me?
[12:45] <nixternal> that is really the interfaces file?
[12:45] <Prak> what interfaces file?
[12:45] <Prak> the top is the interfaces file
[12:45] <luksan> Monketh: gentoo was nice for like the first 6 months of its existence when it was up to date
[12:45] <nixternal> no wonder it didn't work
[12:45] <Monketh> luk: I'm just a newbie, an artist and not a hardcore techie.
[12:45] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:45] <nixternal> got it
[12:45] <nixternal> i see
[12:45] <nixternal> whew...i was about to say
[12:45] <Prak> i just put two files in one
[12:45] <luksan> Monketh: good, Linux needs more artists
[12:46] <Prak> one is my interfaces file
[12:46] <nixternal> alrighty
[12:46] <Prak> the one is my router settings
[12:46] <Prak> b/c i can't figure out which ip is which ip
[12:46] <Prak> there are too many ips
[12:46] <klerfayt> linuxmonkey: second is over now show me your tattoo
[12:46] <nixternal> there are a lot of um
[12:46] <Monketh> luksan: So, after going through a few hassling distros either due to errors or my own incompentence or both, I landed here.  good stuff.  :)
[12:46] <nixternal> i will paste a brand new one for you...that you can copy and paste using kate
[12:46] <Prak> ok
[12:47] <Monketh> Aside from that, I started out creating my work in GIMP, so there are few OS-App transfer issues.
[12:47] <luksan> Monketh: for me it's the package management system that makes or brakes the distro
[12:47] <luksan> Monketh: everything else is pretty much the same
[12:47] <luksan> Monketh: distros are overrated
[12:47] <Monketh> luksan: Well, mandriva's package management was good, but there were too many bugs. :P
[12:48] <nixternal> Prak: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/732070
[12:48] <luksan> Monketh: last time i used Mandriva was before it was Mandriva
[12:48] <nixternal> use that Prak...but clear out your current file
[12:48] <Prak> ok
[12:48] <linuxmonkey> picture of me and my tatoo of tux http://photos.yahoo.com/terryrj@rogers.com
[12:48] <nixternal> you can use kate if it is easier for you too
[12:49] <nixternal> that just flat out pwns
[12:49] <nixternal> im goin' to get my tux on my forhead
[12:49] <nixternal> and the kubuntu logo on my chest
[12:49] <nixternal> it will be the worlds smallest kubuntu logo ;)
[12:49] <Monketh> luksan: Heh, maybe a good call.  It looked -really- nice though.  Thoroughly modern and such.  Plus that nifty control panel.
[12:49] <linuxmonkey> u can still see some of the redness in it on the pic, now the red is gone it looks awsome
[12:50] <Monketh> nixternal: You're crazy too.
[12:50] <nixternal> haha
[12:50] <linuxmonkey> klerfayt: check it out dude
[12:50] <nixternal> i am gonna get that tux tat when he has the flyswatter trying to get the gay msn butterfly
[12:50] <klerfayt> linuxmonkey: you should have done it a little lower
[12:50] <nixternal> i love that picture
[12:51] <linuxmonkey> nah im getting stuff added to it
[12:51] <klerfayt> linuxmonkey: what's next?
[12:51] <godlkwrth> i'm getting the minix mascot on my arm, the little badger
[12:51] <nixternal> i have quite a few tats...but i need one or two removed
[12:51] <nixternal> lol
[12:51] <luksan> Monketh: i never liked the ultra-bright crystal icons. especially that star thing
[12:51] <nixternal> don't drink and tat
[12:51] <linuxmonkey> next is a tribal dragon on the other arm
[12:52] <linuxmonkey> and after that a globe so that tux can sit on there
[12:52] <nixternal> haha
[12:52] <Monketh> luksan: I did! :P  But now I've got a much more subdued theme going on.  I change my look every 2 months or so though.
[12:52] <nixternal> ya...cuz he is gonna get tired of just hangin' on the bicep
[12:52] <nixternal> he needs something to sit on ;)
[12:52] <luksan> Monketh: to each his own
[12:52] <linuxmonkey> not only that but because he pwns the world
[12:52] <nixternal> haha..i bet Prak is still waiting for pastebin to load
[12:53] <linuxmonkey> isnt there another site like pastebin
[12:53] <Monketh> luksan: Yup.  Hijacked a couple of icon packs and made them into one. :D
[12:53] <nixternal> i haven't looked yet...but i will as soon as i get Prak's issue fixed
[12:53] <nixternal> the way we have been going...it might have been quicker to dl dapper and install
[12:53] <luksan> Monketh: i've been thinking of doing that for a long time. i even considered making a program that would let you visual create a new icon theme from multiple existing ones
[12:54] <nixternal> i need a good icon theme
[12:54] <nixternal> oh...speaking of themese...riddle me this
[12:54] <luksan> i find Crystal GT is a good compromise, but some of its icons are still too bright for me
[12:54] <klerfayt> best icons are gnome's default icons
[12:54] <Prak> still can't go on the internet
[12:54] <nixternal> how come i cannot change my kdm themes on dapper???  i installed the entire kdm package...well kde-kdm-themes
[12:54] <nixternal> i have no idea where in the hell it went
[12:54] <luksan> i don't like my destkop feeling like a nursery school
[12:55] <luksan> klerfayt: blasphemer! ;-0
[12:55] <Monketh> luksan: I'll see if I can did up and link which ones I used...
[12:55] <Prak> nvm
[12:55] <nixternal> who is gnome?  how come i haven't seen him in here?  he needs to check out KDE
[12:55] <nixternal> ;D
[12:55] <Prak> something went wrong with my file
[12:55] <nixternal> prak
[12:55] <nixternal> what?
[12:55] <nixternal> is it working?
[12:56] <Prak> i forgot to delete some stuff
[12:56] <nixternal> ohh..well delete
[12:56] <Prak> we'll have to find out
[12:56] <nixternal> use kate
[12:56] <nixternal> graphical text editor
[12:56] <Prak> on windows laptop right now
[12:56] <Prak> the linux box is the other box
[12:56] <nixternal> like a supercharged notepad
[12:56] <klerfayt> using windows yesterday made me feel somehow retarded
[12:57] <Prak> can't connect to the internet
[12:57] <nixternal> did you edit the file completely?
[12:57] <nixternal> get rid of all the hotplug stuff and what not
[12:57] <nixternal> sudo kate /etc/network/interfaces
[12:57] <nixternal> ctrl+a delete or backspace
[12:58] <nixternal> then copy and paste from the bin...or type it in
[12:58] <Prak> can't use kate
[12:58] <Prak> can i use nano
[12:58] <nixternal> sure
[12:58] <Prak> that's what i did
[12:58] <nixternal> jus delete everything first
[12:58] <aqui1a> where do i install firestarter from?
[12:58] <nixternal> control o to save
[12:59] <Monketh> luksan:  Vista-inspirate & nouveauXT
[01:00] <luksan> Monketh: i used to use nouveauXT
[01:00] <luksan> Monketh: never heard of Vista-inspirate
[01:00] <klerfayt> is the bytecode Interpreter enabled by default in kubuntu?
[01:00] <Monketh> plus some "KDE Pro" deal for the folders.
[01:00] <nixternal> you know what i really love about microsoft windows....b4 i open a file...i scan it with bitdefender to make sure it isn't infected
[01:00] <nixternal> grrr
[01:01] <nixternal> people can't say linux couldn't make their life easier
[01:01] <luksan> Monketh: why do all the "good" icon themes come from GNOME?
[01:01] <nixternal> i don't scan anything...i just open...unzip...install...you name it...i chkrootkit when its over
[01:01] <nixternal> lol
[01:01] <Prak> failed
[01:01] <BlankB> which would be better to use acpi=off or pci=noacpi my machine will boot with either? I cannot turn off acpi in my bios.
[01:01] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:01] <nixternal> still failing?
[01:01] <Prak> still failing
[01:01] <Monketh> luksan: GNOME is more similar to Macs, many artists use macs/like simpler interfaces, etc.
[01:01] <nixternal> this is horrible
[01:01] <linuxmonkey> hey nixternal ever play around with transparancy?
[01:02] <nixternal> ya
[01:02] <nixternal> i wish konversation could go transparent
[01:02] <nixternal> it prolly can...i just haven't found it yet
[01:02] <nixternal> hey prak
[01:02] <nixternal> tail -f /var/log/message
[01:02] <linuxmonkey> lol im looking to know what i need to go transparent
[01:02] <nixternal> tail -f /var/log/messages
[01:02] <Monketh> luksans: I just find it awkward to use and not customizabel enough.
[01:02] <luksan> Monketh: true, there are prob. less icons in GNOME
[01:02] <Prak> any more stuff i can do now?
[01:03] <nixternal> we shall see
[01:03] <luksan> Monketh: which makes it easier to come up with a theme
[01:03] <Monketh> 'yup.
[01:03] <aqui1a> where do i install firestarter from?
[01:03] <nixternal> there is always something to try
[01:03] <aqui1a> :)
[01:03] <luksan> Monketh: i'm looking forward to Oxygen
[01:04] <racookier> how the hell install swat under kubuntu 5.10 (i need it to configure samba)
[01:04] <nixternal> hey Prak.....does it say SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable                                      next line                 Failed to bring up eth0
[01:04] <Prak> in?
[01:05] <nixternal> when you do /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:05] <Prak> it just went ok
[01:05] <nixternal> i just purposely messed up my interfaces
[01:05] <nixternal> wth
[01:05] <nixternal> it just went ok?
[01:05] <Prak> ya
[01:05] <nixternal> it is working?
[01:05] <Monketh> luksan: Likewise, esp. that demo where they pulled the window off. :)
[01:05] <Prak> i tried to go to google.com
[01:05] <Prak> failed
[01:05] <luksan> Monketh: Oxygen is just the icon theme...
[01:05] <nixternal> hmmm
[01:05] <nixternal> ifconfig
[01:05] <nixternal> do you have an ip?
[01:06] <Prak> not with eth0
[01:06] <Monketh> luksan: Sorry, I'm kind of tired atm.
[01:06] <nixternal> omg
[01:06] <nixternal> eth1
[01:06] <nixternal> lol
[01:06] <Prak> eth1?
[01:06] <nixternal> nm
[01:06] <nixternal> i am thinking out loud
[01:07] <racookier> how the hell install swat under kubuntu 5.10 (i need it to configure samba)
[01:07] <Prak> ok
[01:08] <nixternal> hey...
[01:08] <nixternal> sudo mii-tool
[01:09] <nixternal> what is the connection on?
[01:09] <nixternal> is it eth0
[01:09] <Prak> eth0
[01:09] <Prak> yes
[01:09] <nixternal> wth batman
[01:09] <nixternal> your network should be working
[01:09] <Prak> should i restart my kubuntu?
[01:10] <nixternal> you can reboot if you want...just to see if something is locked up
[01:10] <Prak> ok
[01:10] <nixternal> it never hurts
[01:10] <nixternal> your laptop you are on...is it wireless too?
[01:10] <linuxmonkey> nixternal: i dont mind amarok, lol it works
[01:10] <Prak> yes
[01:10] <Prak> doesn't have such problem on my laptop
[01:11] <Prak> but i don't want to install linux on my laptop
[01:11] <Prak> i'm using all of my hard drive space for windows
[01:11] <luksan> is read-write on NTFS considered stable by now?
[01:11] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[01:11] <nixternal> Prak: first rule of thumb....change your ssid ;)
[01:11] <linuxmonkey> luksan: no
[01:11] <Prak> ssid?
[01:11] <luksan> fsck
[01:11] <nixternal> unless you are in an area where people like me aren't around
[01:11] <nixternal> the wireless portion of your network...in the router
[01:12] <nixternal> hehe
[01:12] <linuxmonkey> ssid is what your network is identified by
[01:12] <Prak> ok
[01:12] <luksan> linuxmonkey: so if i want to boot the inferior operating system i also have to use the inferior filesystem if i want to share my data
[01:12] <linuxmonkey> i personally change the name and set it not to broadcast
[01:12] <nixternal> ow wow...you definately didn't skimp when it came time for a wireless router..thats for sure
[01:13] <Prak> do i change ssid through my router config?
[01:13] <linuxmonkey> luksan: just set a partition to fat32 and use that as storage
[01:13] <linuxmonkey> and then each windows and linux on seprate partitions
[01:13] <nixternal> there are a lot of things to do to secure it...we can go over it once we have the kubuntu box working
[01:14] <nixternal> im loosing hair with this network issue
[01:14] <nixternal> ;D
[01:14] <linuxmonkey> nixternal: i find the best way is to use ..grrrr drawing ablank .....instead of wep
[01:14] <nixternal> wpa
[01:14] <linuxmonkey> ya thats it
[01:15] <nixternal> wpa2 now
[01:15] <nixternal> wpa-psk
[01:15] <nixternal> that is the old way
[01:15] <linuxmonkey> yeah a linux box to control the whole thing
[01:15] <linuxmonkey> lol
[01:15] <nixternal> ahh
[01:15] <nixternal> radius
[01:15] <nixternal> i love it
[01:15] <nixternal> with the wrt54g...you can control it with tacacs+
[01:15] <linuxmonkey> or just run linux directly on the wireless router :)
[01:15] <nixternal> tis what i do
[01:16] <Prak_alternate> back
[01:16] <Prak_alternate> just changed my ssid
[01:16] <Prak_alternate> restarting didn't help
[01:16] <linuxmonkey> anyways nixternal i'll be back later to help some of these people out, now i got a CS match
[01:17] <nixternal> can you test that cat5 cable any way prak?
[01:17] <Prak_alternate> cat5 cable?
[01:17] <nixternal> how about unplug it from the port onthe router it is in...and try another port
[01:17] <nixternal> the network cable
[01:17] <Prak_alternate> ok
[01:18] <Prak_alternate> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[01:18] <nixternal> yup
[01:19] <Prak_alternate> failed
[01:19] <nixternal> do you have another cable?
[01:20] <Prak_alternate> nope
[01:20] <nixternal> tail -f /var/log/messages
[01:20] <nixternal> what do you see?
[01:21] <Prak_alternate> ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver
[01:21] <Prak_alternate> at the end
[01:21] <nixternal> whoa
[01:21] <nixternal> that is odd
[01:21] <nixternal> why is it referring to ipv6 over ipv4
[01:23] <Prak_alternate> don't know
[01:23] <Prak_alternate> i'll copy and paste the entire message
[01:23] <Prak_alternate> onto floppy
[01:23] <melvin> hola?
[01:23] <nixternal> put it to the pastebin
[01:23] <nixternal> i can wait...cuz i am reading into something here
[01:23] <nixternal> just copy the last 10 lines or so
[01:23] <Prak_alternate> ok
[01:24] <stodge> Can Kaffeine play .vob movies?
[01:24] <Prak_alternate> i'm probably have to quit for today
[01:24] <Prak_alternate> on this
[01:24] <Prak_alternate> i'll try to figure it out tomorrow morning i guess
[01:24] <nixternal> ok...what is the make and model of that network card again?
[01:24] <nixternal> i am gonna do a little studying
[01:25] <Prak_alternate> d-link dfe-530txs fast ethernet 10/100 adapter
[01:25] <nixternal> if you get time...download kubuntu dapper flight 7 and install...i bet everything will work fine
[01:25] <nixternal> lol
[01:25] <Prak_alternate> router is netgear wgr614v4
[01:26] <Prak_alternate> can i download using windows?
[01:26] <nixternal> ya
[01:26] <nixternal> you can download...and burn it to cd
[01:26] <Prak_alternate> ok
[01:26] <luksan> awesome, adpet just started uninstalling all my KDE packages for no reason
[01:26] <nixternal> download the iso
[01:26] <Prak_alternate> ok
[01:26] <nixternal> that will give you the latest version of kubuntu also
[01:26] <Prak_alternate> thanks for your help
[01:26] <nixternal> no probl...come back and letme know
[01:26] <nixternal> i am here all the time
[01:26] <Prak_alternate> ok
[01:26] <nixternal> i want to get this workign for you...you will like using kubuntu
[01:28] <nixternal> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7
[01:28] <nixternal> that is where you can get the latest dapper Prak
[01:29] <nixternal> ya guys...congrats on the memebership
[01:29] <nixternal> imbrandon you lil code hog
[01:29] <nixternal> i can hack...but i can't code ;)
[01:29] <nixternal> i can mod like crazy...
[01:30] <nixternal> my motto...if it ain't broke...well hell it is my job to break it...then fix...and break it again...then make it better..then...you get the idea ;)
[01:30] <Search4Lancer> ah.... what's the name of that P2P program that I thought I had installed on here but can't find?
[01:30] <nixternal> limewire
[01:30] <nixternal> lol
[01:30] <nixternal> amule
[01:31] <nixternal> is it p2p or bittorrent?
[01:33] <Search4Lancer> p2p
[01:34] <nixternal> i use limewire for all my p2p needs..which is really just for music
[01:34] <Search4Lancer> whelp I found an mp3 download on a website of what I wanted anyway...
[01:36] <Search4Lancer> Alice's Restaurant Massacre :)
[01:36] <sh3l1> does KDE look much better than GNOME?
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> Not really
[01:37] <sh3l1> i haven't tried it yet
[01:37] <sh3l1> screenshots anywhere?
[01:38] <sh3l1> !_!
[01:38] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sh3l1
[01:38] <sh3l1> thanks
[01:44] <kosmonaut> test
[01:45] <klerfayt> strange my konqi crashed now
[02:05] <carve> hey room
[02:19] <nixternal> leave
[02:19] <nixternal> go home
[02:19] <nixternal> quit coming here ;)
[02:19] <linuxmonkey> who me?
[02:19] <nixternal> haha
[02:19] <nixternal> the guy behind you
[02:19] <nixternal> look..there he goes now
[02:20] <nixternal> freenode must run on windows server....there are like 100 connection time outs, connection resets, you name it...every hour
[02:20] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:20] <linuxmonkey> they must run on lindows
[02:21] <nixternal> oh lord
[02:21] <linuxmonkey> or whatever u call it
[02:21] <nixternal> linspire
[02:21] <nixternal> haha
[02:21] <linuxmonkey> linspire is it
[02:21] <linuxmonkey> they cant even keep a name straight
[02:21] <nixternal> im settin' up a vmware kubuntu and a vmware solaris 10 right now
[02:21] <nixternal> this should take ummm...forever
[02:21] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:22] <linuxmonkey> vmware from linux or from windows
[02:22] <nixternal> winblows
[02:22] <nixternal> might as well put the machine to use
[02:22] <nixternal> only time i use it is to...umm..oh ya office and autocad
[02:22] <nixternal> sorry...but ms office ownz
[02:23] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:23] <linuxmonkey> nixternal: you wont say that for office 12
[02:23] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:23] <nixternal> ya right
[02:23] <nixternal> i am using 2003...it is bloated but i like it
[02:23] <nixternal> go figure...im in the middle ofa  vmware setup and my damn mouse batteries die
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> debating on removing suse and installing kubuntu on my server
[02:24] <nixternal> oh my slowness
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> that will teach ya nixternal
[02:24] <nixternal> wathcin' vmware install kubuntu is like watchin' grass grow
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> should i mess with something thats not broke nixternal
[02:24] <linuxmonkey> ?
[02:26] <nixternal> lag rox
[02:26] <nixternal> always mess with something thats not broke
[02:26] <nixternal> im a hacker for christ sake...i always break stuff
[02:26] <nixternal> ;D
[02:27] <I_Eat_Plastic> :(
[02:27] <CutieCoder> Nice ;)
[02:27] <nixternal> as a matter of fact...im kinda in the middle of creating my own pic controller
[02:27] <nixternal> im sick of all the designs out there
[02:27] <I_Eat_Plastic> Mmm, code.
[02:27] <nixternal> and the best pic i have ever used is by rockwell automations
[02:27] <linuxmonkey> lmao nixternal
[02:27] <nixternal> assembly
[02:27] <nixternal> ya babh
[02:27] <nixternal> baby
[02:27] <nixternal> ladder logic too
[02:27] <linuxmonkey> i used to hack mssql server
[02:27] <nixternal> ladder logic and a pic500
[02:27] <CutieCoder> nixternal: ladder theory? :P
[02:28] <nixternal> hehe...damn CutieCoder has me pinged
[02:28] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:28] <nixternal> rslogic
[02:28] <I_Eat_Plastic> Bling bling.
[02:28] <nixternal> that was some good stuff back in the day
[02:28] <CutieCoder> I'll make you cringe with tamper-proof code :)
[02:28] <nixternal> eat plastic...i love that nick
[02:28] <nixternal> i cringe at child-proof lighters
[02:28] <CutieCoder> get a zippo
[02:28] <linuxmonkey> nixternal how many open mssql servers in china,,,, too many to count
[02:29] <nixternal> haha
[02:29] <linuxmonkey> I even had a nice talk with the FBI
[02:29] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:29] <nixternal> i don't mess with china...they are the only ones to render my network useless...the russians try every day..but the chinese were successful
[02:29] <linuxmonkey> they never did anything :)
[02:29] <CutieCoder> Only romanians were successful on my networks... but that didn't last long ;)
[02:30] <imbrandon> only some group from amsterdam ever took mine down
[02:30] <imbrandon> and that was long ago
[02:30] <linuxmonkey> whats the quickest and best way to access a NFS share
[02:30] <aqui1a> do i need to 'refresh' a panel for updates to be shown? e.g in ubuntu, 'killall gnome-panel'
[02:30] <apokryphos> aqui1a: as I said, you don't, no =)
[02:30] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:31] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey: mount -t nfs 192.168.1.1:/share /mount/point  ??!?
[02:31] <nixternal> imbrandon: congrats you phpmonkey ;)
[02:31] <aqui1a> lol :)
[02:31] <linuxmonkey> remember +++ath0
[02:31] <imbrandon> lol thanks nixternal
[02:31] <nixternal|vmware> muahahah vmware sux
[02:31] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:31] <nixternal> livecd from vmware
[02:31] <nixternal> not to shabby
[02:31] <CutieCoder> lol
[02:31] <nixternal> gotta hurry and shut down b4 the batteries die
[02:31] <nixternal> LOL
[02:32] <CutieCoder> nixternal: the bloody thing works?!
[02:32] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:32] <nixternal|vmware> goodbye, and good day
[02:32] <nixternal> i think once it is installed to the harddrive...it will work like a champ
[02:32] <nixternal> but livecd and vmware...just a little to slow
[02:33] <CutieCoder> kinda defeats the purpose of a livecd don't it?
[02:33] <nixternal> in a way
[02:33] <imbrandon> livecd is always kinda slow ;)
[02:33] <nixternal> i did'nt realise it was a livecd
[02:33] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:33] <aqui1a> the reason i ask that apokryphos, is because i just installed firestarter and i can not find it :/
[02:33] <CutieCoder> imbrandon: that's because the bus chokes :P
[02:34] <apokryphos> aqui1a: alt+f2 -> firestarter
[02:34] <aqui1a> ;D
[02:34] <aqui1a> ty
[02:34] <imbrandon> aqui1a: no you shouldent have to , but in reality sometimes you do ( mostly for certain apps, like when i install crossover office i have to restart kicker etc , but no you shouldent HAVE to )
[02:35] <lwizardl> i had a xfs partition stop listing files almost like it lost the table
[02:35] <lwizardl> any way to get them back?
[02:36] <nixternal> lol
[02:37] <imbrandon> heh
[02:37] <nixternal> i remember kvirc in the old days...i didn't like it then...i doubt i like it now
[02:37] <CutieCoder> It's pretty sweet, but nothing beats screen + irssi
[02:37] <CutieCoder> brb
[02:37] <nixternal> i don't trust bitchx anymore either
[02:38] <nixternal> it is like they gave up...the greatest irc client of all times...and they gave up
[02:38] <nixternal> and somebody setup sites to make you think you were getting bitchx and you werent
[02:38] <nixternal> screen and irssi...my god you just went back to the beginning
[02:39] <imbrandon> screen + irssi <#
[02:39] <imbrandon> <3
[02:39] <imbrandon> lol
[02:39] <nixternal> haha
[02:39] <imbrandon> actualy i use konversation 99% of the time , only irssi when im forced to use console
[02:40] <imbrandon> or with screenshots, good way to fill a terminal ;)
[02:40] <nixternal> ya
[02:40] <nixternal> i like konversation i guess
[02:40] <linuxmonkey> omg i just got a brain fart I can remember what to put in the fstab for NFS
[02:40] <nixternal> xchat...haven't used that since the beginning either
[02:41] <linuxmonkey> i used xchat today actually, dont care for it much
[02:41] <linuxmonkey> i wished they would do a mirc clone for linux
[02:41] <nixternal> if i had a mouse i would get to it...but since i don't...im not tabbing for the next 2 weeks to get it ;D
[02:41] <imbrandon> on winblowz xchat is about the best you can hope for
[02:41] <nixternal> i use bitchx in windows
[02:41] <nixternal> lol
[02:42] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:42] <imbrandon> heh
[02:42] <nixternal> i lied...i am using mIRC as a matter of fact
[02:42] <imbrandon> nixternal: Konversation 0.19 Build
[02:42] <nixternal> hey...leave me alone mr. pr0tman
[02:42] <nixternal> haha
[02:42] <nixternal> i see
[02:42] <linuxmonkey> I like the look and feel of mIRC but dont like all thebugs/holes
[02:43] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey: konversation is alot like mirc
[02:43] <nixternal> everything has bugs or holes...it is just that the script kiddies let you know about it in mIRC
[02:43] <nixternal> i want my transparency though
[02:43] <nixternal> i love transparency
[02:43] <linuxmonkey> yeah
[02:43] <linuxmonkey> i know there's a way but i forget how
[02:44] <imbrandon> nah i have a solid background so no need ;)
[02:44] <nixternal> 192mb of ram in this old celeron lappy...how much swap should i give it??? i usually take ram * 3.5
[02:44] <nixternal> oh...i have the bling bling factor of 10 going on cuz i can ;)
[02:44] <imbrandon> nixternal: 512 is what i would give it personaly
[02:44] <nixternal> ya
[02:44] <nixternal> well...to late
[02:44] <nixternal> cuz that is what it got
[02:44] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:44] <imbrandon> heh
[02:45] <imbrandon> my personal rule with swap is under a gig of ram i give it 512, over a gig of ram i make no swap
[02:45] <imbrandon> makes life simple
[02:45] <klerfayt> imbrandon: you need swap
[02:46] <klerfayt> imbrandon: some programs req. swap
[02:46] <nixternal> i don't use swap on this system
[02:46] <imbrandon> klerfayt: i havent run accross any, i have no swap
[02:46] <klerfayt> imbrandon: ans you can't suspend to disk without swap?
[02:46] <imbrandon> havent for months , probbly longer
[02:46] <nixternal> my lappy and my server have swap and thats it
[02:46] <imbrandon> i dont suspend to disk, its a desktop that runs constantly
[02:47] <linuxmonkey> im setting up nfs, the server is running suse and of course my main pc is running kubuntu,how do i setup kubuntu to connect to it, do i need a extra program installed or can I just add it to fstab
[02:47] <imbrandon> just add it, its built into the kernel
[02:47] <CutieCoder> kvirc is still nice for it's avatar feature :)
[02:48] <CutieCoder> But I'm a woman, so, cute stuff makes me biased :P
[02:48] <imbrandon> heh
[02:48] <nixternal> haha
[02:48] <nixternal> im not gonna comment
[02:48] <imbrandon> dont please
[02:48] <nixternal> i have been commenting for 32 years....im stopping right now
[02:49] <nixternal> everytime i comment...i do laundry ;)
[02:49] <CutieCoder> You really don't want to...
[02:49] <imbrandon> hobbsee posted a cool link about comments on irc and women, i should try to find it .... it was too funny
[02:49] <nixternal> my daughter didn't like my linux desktop cuz it wasn't cute
[02:49] <klerfayt> strange - madpenguin.org says that suse10.1 is sexy
[02:50] <CutieCoder> imbrandon: I got  34gbps available at the datacenter, don't force me to get midevil on your ass ;)
[02:50] <imbrandon> nixternal , CutieCoder : http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27
[02:50] <imbrandon> cutecoder, nah it was in womens favor ( hobbsee is female bythe way )
[02:50] <imbrandon> thats the link
[02:51] <CutieCoder> I'm a cute girl, I shoot guns and I got enough bandwidth to anihilate most ISPs, Any questions? :)
[02:51] <imbrandon> titled perfect : "OMG Girlz Dont Exist on teh Intarweb!!!!1"
[02:52] <imbrandon> haha nice
[02:53] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:54] <linuxmonkey> i think i may have messed up my NFS
[02:54] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[02:54] <nixternal> thats awesome
[02:54] <imbrandon> heh nixternal i thought so too
[02:54] <nixternal> i used to be in a gaming clan and we had a few girls...actually grown women...and they owned
[02:55] <nixternal> actually...my company is woman owned
[02:56] <nixternal> i got owned by alex1s in q3 at a huge chicago lan in 2000
[02:56] <nixternal> she owned me silly style
[02:56] <imbrandon> heh
[02:56] <linuxmonkey> ok now to figure out why i cant write to the NFS
[02:56] <nixternal> ro
[02:56] <nixternal> i told you
[02:56] <nixternal> ;)
[02:57] <linuxmonkey> theres no ro
[02:57] <nixternal> hmmm
[02:57] <nixternal> hahah
[02:58] <nixternal> at the gym this morning....i overheard some people talking about their "Unix" server and how it doesn't work
[02:58] <nixternal> i love how people call anything not microsoft "Unix"
[02:58] <linuxmonkey> permissions maybe dont NFS use the filesystem permission unline samba
[02:59] <nixternal> i have original 8-bin unisys/at&t unix on a floppy here
[02:59] <nixternal> why would a dcc be actively denied?
[02:59] <linuxmonkey> lol
[02:59] <nixternal> my router isn't an issue
[02:59] <imbrandon> client option
[02:59] <nixternal> cuz i receive dcc's all day long
[03:00] <nixternal> is that konversation?
[03:00] <nixternal> ahh man...someone got "you have been owned by he devil" listed in my weblog
[03:01] <imbrandon> heh
[03:01] <nixternal> php?you%20have%20been%20owned%20by%20the%20devil
[03:01] <linuxmonkey> can anyone help me with NFS
[03:01] <CutieCoder> haha
[03:01] <nixternal> and they think they are slick...and that is on the intranet
[03:01] <nixternal> my lord these people are stupid
[03:01] <nixternal> i bet my boss is playin' tricks
[03:01] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey: what problem are you having ?
[03:02] <nixternal> come on with the saycheese ;)
[03:02] <imbrandon> its getting sftp'd ;)
[03:02] <nixternal> lol
[03:02] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: i can connect to it i added it in fstab as 192.168.1.107:/mnt/raid0 /mnt/raid0 nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 ...but i cant write to it
[03:03] <nixternal> tail -f /var/log/messages
[03:03] <nixternal> that tells ya everything
[03:03] <nixternal> lol
[03:03] <imbrandon> yea try that see if there are any errors
[03:03] <linuxmonkey> on server or on client
[03:03] <nixternal> hell..it told me my mouse was dead
[03:03] <imbrandon> client first but both
[03:03] <CutieCoder> Redistribution of the url is strictly prohibited. Enforcement is done with an AK5B prototype and 30 little 5.56mm friends. My groups are of 1/8" of an inch at 600 yards, iron sight
[03:04] <nixternal> lol
[03:04] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:04] <linuxmonkey> nothing on client side no errors
[03:04] <nixternal> http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4714029?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG      <--$129 right now...i am gettin' another one...rm -rf linspire
[03:05] <nixternal> mmm 5.56mm ownz
[03:05] <nixternal> 7.62 is better
[03:05] <CutieCoder> x39mm or x54mm?
[03:05] <CutieCoder> 5.56mm only hurts, 7.62x39mm kills.
[03:06] <CutieCoder> but it won't beat my new savage .308
[03:06] <CutieCoder> Love that baby
[03:06] <nixternal> omg you own
[03:06] <nixternal> CutieCoder pnw3z
[03:07] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: no error messages on client nor server
[03:07] <imbrandon> hmmm strange
[03:07] <imbrandon> is the dir chmoded correct ?
[03:07] <imbrandon> to allow write access
[03:08] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: let me check
[03:08] <CutieCoder> nixternal: 10FP-LE2 model, just put a TWS-X20 scope and #46 weaver base. Federal 168 grain match is just perfect. Accutrigger set to 0.8lbs
[03:08] <CutieCoder> nixternal: bang ;)
[03:09] <imbrandon> make install ; not war
[03:09] <nixternal> am i missing something?  my h&k usp40 looks like a squirt gun now
[03:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:09] <nixternal> hahaha
[03:09] <Desh> Hi, whenever I plug USB drives into my laptop, I can see the folders but I cannot modify anything, such as adding or deleting or moving files. how can I change this?
[03:09] <CutieCoder> imbrandon: weakling
[03:09] <CutieCoder> Well, I am a gunsmith during the weekend :)
[03:09] <nixternal> lol
[03:09] <nixternal> no shit?
[03:10] <imbrandon> Desh: probbly options in fstab for its mount , check /etc/fstab
[03:10] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: is that on the server or the client were its mounted
[03:10] <nixternal> <-- 6 years active duty...GUNNER'S MATE!@#@@  w00t
[03:10] <CutieCoder> w00t!
[03:10] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey: server
[03:10] <nixternal> i gun smithed my whole naval career...plus...i was a small arms instructor
[03:10] <nixternal> i gotta get some food...bbiaf
[03:10] <nixternal|piggin> hahaha
[03:10] <CutieCoder> ohhh right ;)
[03:11] <nixternal|piggin> forgot about that
[03:11] <linuxmonkey> on the server  the folder had read/write to user linuxmonkey and group fileserver
[03:11] <Desh> :-O When I try to edit fstab as root it says conversation with root failed. >_<
[03:11] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey: just as a test change it to 777 ( dont keep it that way ) but just to see if its a perm problem ( on the client too )
[03:12] <Desh> Whenever I am asked for a password it says "Conversation with su failed."
[03:12] <imbrandon> Desh: huh ?!? are you typing "kdesu kate /etc/fstab"
[03:12] <linuxmonkey> ok another thing is that on the option for the NFS on the server is empty should there be something there
[03:12] <Desh> Oh, no I actually went to it in the folders.
[03:12] <aligrrl> hi, a friend of mine is in a hotel trying to pick up wireless internet. how can he manually change the netmask? from what he's telling me all he can see is a dropdown window with pre-assigned numbers.
[03:13] <Desh> "Su returned with an error."
[03:13] <apokryphos> Desh: how did you install KDE?
[03:13] <apokryphos> you'd get that error if you were using a vanilla kde, where kdesu isn't patched to work with sudo
[03:13] <Desh> It came with Kubuntu.
[03:13] <apokryphos> breezy?
[03:14] <Desh> Su wored just a second ago...
[03:14] <Desh> Yes Breezy.
[03:14] <apokryphos> Desh: hm, ok; do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:14] <apokryphos> I believe it was updated in breezy-updates because of a few problems
[03:14] <imbrandon> yea
[03:14] <apokryphos> though I don't recall that being one of them, really
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon: fixed
[03:15] <Sythen> Hey
[03:15] <Desh> Ok, done.
[03:15] <Desh> o_O nothing.
[03:15] <linuxmonkey> it was actually the options on the server
[03:15] <apokryphos> Desh: ideally log back into kde and try kdesu again
[03:15] <Sythen> so how do I change the display modes for the X server?
[03:15] <Desh> Restart or just end session?
[03:15] <imbrandon> linuxmonkey: cool , glad you got it working
[03:16] <Sythen> hmm
[03:16] <apokryphos> Desh: restarting kde, which is ending the session, yup :)
[03:16] <Desh> Ok, thanks.
[03:16] <linuxmonkey> imbrandon:  had to add rw,sync to the options on the server
[03:16] <Sythen> anyone know?
[03:16] <imbrandon> Sythen: are you in kde ?
[03:16] <Sythen> imbrandon: no
[03:17] <Sythen> I am using irssi in a terminal
[03:17] <imbrandon> Sythen: ok then .... "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:17] <Sythen> and i dont know wat to do
[03:18] <imbrandon> should work for ya
[03:18] <Sythen> what should I put for the mode, since I have an ATI integrated gfx card
[03:19] <imbrandon> mode ?
[03:19] <Sythen> oh.. uhhh
[03:19] <Sythen> driver* :-)
[03:19] <imbrandon> not sure with ati *looks arround room*
[03:19] <imbrandon> i use nv myself
[03:20] <Sythen> there is an ATI option, but it is integrated graphics, so i dunno :-\
[03:20] <imbrandon> thats ok if its ati even intergrated should still be ok
[03:20] <Sythen> okay
[03:20] <Sythen> thanks
[03:20] <klerfayt> Sythen: what's the name of graphics card?
[03:21] <Sythen> hmm
[03:21] <Sythen> well its an ati radeon xpress 200 series for intel
[03:21] <Samuli^> Sythen, fglrx
[03:22] <Samuli^> make sure you have xorg-driver-fglrx installed first.
[03:22] <Sythen> ookay.. *wonders what that is*
[03:22] <Samuli^> it's the ati-drivers from repositories.
[03:22] <slicslak> is it possible to start a remote x session or run x apps remotely on windows?  i know linux it's trivial, either X -query or ssh -X.  but windows???
[03:23] <imbrandon> slicslak: as long as you have an x server for windows like cygwins x server running
[03:23] <Sythen> okay
[03:23] <imbrandon> there are alot of commercial x servers for windows but cygwins is free ( and oss )
[03:23] <Sythen> so I am running apt-get and it should be installing it
[03:24] <Sythen> so it is installed, Samuli^ now what ?:-|
[03:25] <Sythen> in ram, one mb is 1024 kb right?
[03:25] <imbrandon> yes
[03:25] <Sythen> k
[03:31] <imbrandon> Sythen: where? choose fglrx from the menu when asked
[03:31] <imbrandon> after that package was installed
[03:31] <Sythen> >.<
[03:31] <Sythen> how do I restart X?
[03:31] <imbrandon> yes
[03:31] <Sythen> i chose ati :-x
[03:31] <imbrandon> ohh how? just type
[03:32] <imbrandon> "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[03:32] <imbrandon> if your using kubuntu
[03:32] <Sythen> i apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop, is that the same
[03:32] <imbrandon> yes
[03:32] <apokryphos> or ctrl+alt+backspace (which only restarts X)
[03:32] <imbrandon> apokryphos: he is at the console
[03:33] <apokryphos> oh ok
[03:33] <imbrandon> irssi on the console ;)
[03:34] <Sythen> error
[03:34] <imbrandon> what error ?
[03:35] <Sythen> unable to find a valid framebuffer device
[03:35] <Sythen> but hold on, gotta reconfig x
[03:35] <Sythen> i didnt use the fglrx driver
[03:38] <Sythen> i got it working, thanks
[03:38] <Sythen> oops
[03:40] <Desh> Umm...I accidentally made myself a non sudo user so as root I made my normal user as primarily sudo and added admin as a secondary group, is this recommended? I can basicaly do everything I used to, w/o needing to type the password for sudo or su.
[03:40] <Desh> I made myself primary sudo b/c I forgot what it was there before.
[03:41] <Desh> And I added admin to see if I could now edit things like USB drives, which I can.
[03:41] <Snake__> How do I figure out my broadcast ip, netmask, domain and DNSs?
[03:41] <NthDegree> that is equivalent to loggin into root Desh
[03:41] <Desh> So this is bad?
[03:42] <Snake__> someon
[03:42] <Snake__> e
[03:42] <Desh> What should my primary group be?
[03:43] <Desh> Try iwconfig Snake__
[03:43] <Desh> I can't prmoise it will have the info you need though. :-/
[03:43] <Snake__> Desh: doesnt give me the netmast, domain, or DNSs
[03:44] <Desh> Ah, man I'm a Linux noob. Heh.
[03:44] <Snake__> np
[03:44] <Desh> What should a normal user's primary group be? And should admin be a secondary group?
[03:45] <Snake__> wish I knew
[03:46] <Mr> Hello all
[03:46] <Mr> i am having a problem with KDE
[03:46] <Mr> is this the right place?
[03:46] <NthDegree> what problem
[03:47] <NthDegree> yes this is
[03:47] <Snake___> !ask
[03:47] <NthDegree> if you use kubuntu then it is
[03:47] <Snake___> !+ask
[03:47] <ubotu> [ask]  Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model and output of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org is important.  Please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html for more information.
[03:47] <NthDegree> kubuntu = ubuntu with KDE!
[03:48] <NthDegree> Mr, what is your problem?
[03:48] <Mr> The fonts in most of my windows (applications) are very tiny i just installed the KDE packaged and increased the font in kcontrol and it worked in some of the windows; the resolution is the same as under Gnome
[03:48] <Snake___> How do I know what domain im on, what my netmask is, and what my DNSs are?
[03:48] <ctothej> ive been waiting all month for ATI to release new drivers... SOO PISSED
[03:48] <Sythen> I got it to work :-D
[03:49] <Sythen> fonts are a little funny though ;-)
[03:49] <NthDegree> Mr that is because KDE apps listen to KDE and GNOME ones don't
[03:49] <Mr> but the same application in gnome have large fonts
[03:49] <Mr> *larger
[03:50] <Sythen> how do I have more than one server connected in konversation?
[03:50] <Sythen> nvm
[03:50] <NthDegree> Mr are you trying to say that you can't change the size of your GNOME apps fonts under KDE?
[03:50] <Mr> like fierfox was messed up only in KDE, then i installed version 1.5 and it was fine and i mean the menus and bookmars not the web content
[03:50] <Snake___> Doesn't anyone know!?
[03:51] <bimberi> Snake___: 'hostname -f', 'ifconfig' and 'cat /etc/resolv.conf'
[03:51] <NthDegree> Mr your best solution is to ONLY use KDE apps under KDE and GNOME apps under GNOME
[03:51] <NthDegree> that way you don't have problems
[03:51] <drgonzo> hello all,
[03:51] <Mr> NthDegree, no i am saying that they are fine under GNOME but smalller when on KDE
[03:51] <Mr> and its not only KDE apps
[03:52] <drgonzo> is adept updater working fine, I've litereally had 140 packages to update yesterday then today about 40 new packages that where next increments of yesterdays versions
[03:52] <Mr> konsol is like that too
[03:52] <Snake__> bimberi: thank you, but ehhh what would my netmask/domain be??
[03:52] <NthDegree> hmmmmmm
[03:52] <NthDegree> so your KDE apps are messed up too
[03:52] <Mr> yes
[03:53] <bimberi> Snake__: ifconfig should show netmask (eg. mine has "Mask:255.255.255.0" on one of the lines)
[03:53] <NthDegree> you using breezy? Mr
[03:53] <Mr> is that 5.10?
[03:53] <NthDegree> yes
[03:54] <Mr> yes then
[03:54] <NthDegree> get Dapper because they improved the KDE integration on it
[03:54] <Snake__> bimberi: great, hadnt noticed that! and I presume "localhost" would be my domain?
[03:54] <bimberi> Snake__: if 'hostname -f' only outputs the host name then you don't have a domain set up (i guess - i'm not strong on this)
[03:54] <Snake__> bimberi: snake@dapper:~$ hostname -f
[03:54] <Snake__> localhost
[03:54] <Mr> What is Dapper?
[03:54] <NthDegree> Mr:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[03:54] <Mr> the next release
[03:54] <Snake__> !dapper
[03:54] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until than
[03:54] <bimberi> !dapper
[03:55] <drgonzo> 40 new packages todasy*
[03:55] <drgonzo> today*
[03:55] <NthDegree> that is the next version of kubuntu/ubuntu
[03:55] <bimberi> blah, thrashed :P
[03:55] <Sythen> i LOVE kde :-D
[03:55] <Snake__> :)
[03:55] <Snake__> Here goes nothing...
[03:55] <Mr> is it easy to upgrade?
[03:55] <bimberi> !upgrade
[03:55] <ubotu> from memory, upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[03:55] <bimberi> \o/
[03:55] <drgonzo> this is dapper btw.
[03:56] <NthDegree> just download the CD and do a clean install Mr and it will solve your problem more than likely
[03:56] <Mr> ahhh reaaly
[03:56] <Mr> damn
[03:56] <Mr> i've been installing all day
[03:56] <Mr> lol
[03:56] <drgonzo> No i'm reffering to adept-updater issue.
[03:57] <drgonzo> it's failing to install a package too
[03:57] <NthDegree> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/ @ Mr
[03:57] <Snake___> sucess!
[03:57] <Mr> no other way?
[03:58] <Mr> Alright Guys, thanks for your help
[03:58] <bimberi> Mr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[03:58] <Mr> is drapper still beta?
[03:58] <NthDegree> yes
[03:59] <Snake__> Until June 1st
[03:59] <NthDegree> but very stable now
[03:59] <bimberi> Mr: yes - will go to Release Candidate soon and Final Release on June 1
[03:59] <Sythen> how do I open the control center?
[03:59] <imbrandon> k --. system settings
[03:59] <imbrandon> k --> system settings
[03:59] <Mr> cool
[04:00] <Mr> so if i get it, i shouldn't have too much trouble when the final comes out, all the updates will be through apt?
[04:00] <NthDegree> apt works yep
[04:00] <Mr> THANKS ALL
[04:07] <Sythen> how do I reconfigure my network adapter? internet seems really slow
[04:17] <imbrandon> k --> system settings --> network settings
[04:18] <Sythen> okay
[04:23] <Sythen> how do I make the bar normally at the bottom so it is at the top like a mac?
[04:25] <Desh> right click it and use configure panel
[04:25] <imbrandon> right click bar --> configure pannel
[04:26] <imbrandon> Sythen: but if your going for a mac clone gnome is more suited i think, its more like a mac outa the box ( not that i like gnome or anything )
[04:26] <Sythen> no
[04:26] <Sythen> there is baghira :-D
[04:27] <Desh> When I run things like  Adept, it usually asked me for a pas. now that I added admin as a secondary group, it doesn't ask for one anymore. Same with using Admin mode in the SYSTEM SETTINGS window, etc. And sudo in the comand line doesn;t ask for a pass either.
[04:27] <Desh> I added it because after I accidentally changed my primary group sudo and su would not work at all.
[04:30] <Sythen> night
[04:33] <lwizardl> whats the best video player that can queue multiple files ?
[04:33] <apokryphos> kaffeine's good
[04:35] <lwizardl> ill try that
[04:39] <lwizardl> nope most videos don't play in it
[04:41] <imbrandon> lwizardl: thats justa codec issue
[04:41] <imbrandon> kaffine plays all my video's
[04:41] <imbrandon> what kinda video will your not play?
[04:41] <lwizardl> half of my wmv
[04:41] <lwizardl> but i have the win32 codecs installed
[04:42] <imbrandon> do you have xine extra codecs installed?
[04:42] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:42] <lwizardl> let me check
[04:43] <lwizardl> kaffeine-xine ? yes thats installed
[04:43] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:44] <lwizardl> 'not found
[04:44] <imbrandon> you have universe enabled? one sec lemme look make sure i'm telling you correct
[04:44] <lwizardl> yes i have all the repos enabled
[04:45] <imbrandon> libxine-extracodecs
[04:45] <imbrandon> yup thats it
[04:45] <imbrandon> breezy ? that might be dapper only , i dunno
[04:45] <lwizardl> 5.10
[04:46] <imbrandon> yea thats breezy, as far as i know its a breezy pkg too but not sure
[04:46] <imbrandon> i am on dapper and cant check atm
[04:46] <lwizardl> ok let me update and see what happens
[04:46] <imbrandon> try "sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg"
[04:47] <imbrandon> for breezy
[04:47] <lwizardl> ok that installed
[04:48] <lwizardl> nope same videos don't play
[04:48] <lwizardl> but they play in mplayer
[04:49] <imbrandon> hmm strange
[04:50] <imbrandon> well if they play in mplayer it is definately a codec issue i just dont know what one ;)
[04:50] <imbrandon> but i think , infact i'm sure you can configure kaffine to use mplayer too ;)
[04:50] <imbrandon> not just xine
[04:52] <chx> hi. I tried to set up TwinView, and I have some success -- the second LCD signal LED turns to green but I do not see anything on screen
[04:53] <chx> kcontrol // Peripherals // Display crashes
[04:53] <chx> and K Menu disapperared, I guess it's on the second screen :)
[04:54] <CutieCoder> imbrandon: yes you can, kaffeine will use mplayer as engine
[05:01] <dunefan> a question if you please....how can I install KDE in Ubuntu without installing Kubuntu?
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> Kubuntu-Desktop is just a meta package of a lot  of the kde packages.
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> you could just select the packages alone if you really wanted to i guess
[05:03] <Dr_Willis> Boils down to 'what is the parts of kde that you install'
[05:04] <dunefan> the entire desktop
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> dunefan:  then that is "kubuntu-desktop" :P
[05:04] <dunefan> thanks
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> The whole Kubuntu/Ubuntu/Xubuntu - confuses way too many people. :P
[05:05] <dunefan> I can install Kubuntu Breezy and can never get my wifi to work....but I can install Ubuntu Breezy and then the KDE Desktop and the wifi works
[05:05] <dunefan> what is Xubuntu?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> Personally - i install Ubuntu, then install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop as well
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> XFCE4 ubuntu
[05:21] <DaSkreech> CutieCoder: Haha
[05:27] <Ahmuck> hi imbrandon
[05:28] <imbrandon> heya Ahmuck
[05:28] <CutieCoder> ?
[05:28] <CutieCoder> DaSkreech: WTF? over
[05:29] <Ahmuck> kubuntu has a lot of i386 stuff installed.  is there a way to get it to use i686 instead?  replace it?
[05:29] <imbrandon> i dunt know either CutieCoder, look like it came outa no where
[05:30] <imbrandon> Ahmuck: only for some programs, most dont have i686 optimizations and the ones that do like mplayer use runtime proc identification
[05:30] <Ahmuck> does runtime proc identification work better
[05:30] <imbrandon> for the most part yes
[05:31] <RadiantFire> it doesn't add overhead?
[05:31] <imbrandon> very very little RadiantFire
[05:32] <imbrandon> not anything above a 200mhz would even care about
[05:32] <imbrandon> litterly
[05:32] <regeya> seriously, there's a distribution for people who have to control every aspect of how their software is compiled... funroll-loops.org
[05:32] <imbrandon> gentoo ;)
[05:32] <RadiantFire> :)
[05:32] <RadiantFire> Gentoo's not worth it
[05:33] <RadiantFire> only useful thing it has is a really cool init script manager
[05:33] <RadiantFire> speaking of i386 v i686
[05:33] <RadiantFire> I have a Pentium 4, and I'm using ndiswrapper
[05:33] <RadiantFire> when I am using the i686 kernel, I get random total freezes
[05:33] <DaSkreech> CutieCoder: Oh sorry
[05:34] <RadiantFire> I don't when I'm u sing the i386
[05:34] <DaSkreech> You said I'm cute and I have guns and I own
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Then you said you were going to upload a picture
[05:34] <RadiantFire> does anyone know why?
[05:34] <DaSkreech> For some reason I thought you meant a picture of you to prove you were cute :-)
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Sorry catching up on 6 hours of missed IRC
[05:35] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: no clue but i experince the same thing, i figure its a ndiswrapper bug but i havent spent the time to track it down
[05:35] <RadiantFire> mmm
[05:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Can you apt-get limewore?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> Limewire?
[05:35] <RadiantFire> I remember being in a terminal once and it was a kernel panic
[05:35] <nixternal> haha
[05:36] <nixternal> no
[05:36] <imbrandon> no
[05:36] <DaSkreech> damn
[05:36] <nixternal> dl it and run it
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Why not?
[05:36] <nixternal> there is not installing
[05:36] <RadiantFire> I assumed it was locking issue, since the 686 is smp
[05:36] <Desh> WHen you lock a session, what password gets you back?
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Is it against the canonical way?
[05:36] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: you just need to have java installed, limewire there is no installing you just run it
[05:36] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Ah Ok
[05:36] <DaSkreech> Good point
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Which means no katapult :-(
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Blast
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Oh
[05:37] <imbrandon> Desh: your user password
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Why would an application not turn up in katapult?
[05:38] <Desh> DIdn;t work for some reason...
[05:38] <imbrandon> check caps lock etc etc etc
[05:38] <imbrandon> but that is what itsa wanting
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Or the menu come to think of it ?
[05:41] <imbrandon> depends on the app, if it dident make a menu entry for its self then .....
[05:41] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Ah
[05:41] <RadiantFire> generally terminal apps don't make menu entries
[05:41] <DaSkreech> and thats why it won't turn up in katapult?
[05:42] <imbrandon> correct
[05:42] <Desh2> Ok I have a session that is trapped in the Lock Session window. I input my login pass and it says wrong pass.
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I just had the feeling that if you turn up in alt+F2 and had an icon katapult would feel you out
[05:42] <RadiantFire> somewhere in kde is a program that searches the path for graphical apps not in the menu
[05:42] <RadiantFire> I don't know where it is
[05:42] <RadiantFire> maybe its hiding
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Yeah Maybe :-)
[05:43] <RadiantFire> maybe its not in the default kubuntu install
[05:43] <RadiantFire> but I remembe rusing it
[05:43] <DaSkreech> So With this 'somewhere in KDE program' I can get katapult to see gnucash?
[05:43] <graywolf> why isnt there a shortcut to KOrganizer
[05:45] <imbrandon> its intergrated with kontact
[05:45] <graywolf> ok
[05:45] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Is that the purpose for the app?
[05:45] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: probbly not as gnucash not a qt/kde app, you will probbly have to add it maunaly
[05:46] <Desh2> I have a session stuck in the lock session. My login pass doesn't work.
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Right. I figured that might be it
[05:46] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: yeah, it searchs for graphical apps not in your menu
[05:46] <RadiantFire> I'm trying to find it
[05:46] <DaSkreech> (though I'm sure it would work in Gnome and so should work in KDE)
[05:46] <DaSkreech> Me Too :-)
[05:46] <imbrandon> Desh2: log in as root ( single user ) and change the password, thats the onyl way if you dont rember the pass
[05:46] <RadiantFire> maybe its in the repository
[05:47] <RadiantFire> DaSkreech: found it kappfinder
[05:47] <Desh2> But I do. I can login as that user, but when I lock a session the same pass is invalid.
[05:47] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: However can I configure katapult to look in a wider (or more focused depends on how you look at it) area to find more apps?
[05:47] <RadiantFire> !info kappfinder
[05:48] <ubotu> kappfinder: (non-KDE application finder for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu6 (breezy), Packaged size: 252 kB, Installed size: 1312 kB
[05:48] <DaSkreech> RadiantFire: Drat not in Adept
[05:48] <nixternal> !microsoft
[05:48] <ubotu> nixternal: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:48] <nixternal> i had to see that
[05:48] <RadiantFire> eh?
[05:48] <DaSkreech> Oh no wait it is there
[05:48] <seawolf__> hi all
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Well I'm hitting bed
[05:49] <DaSkreech> See you all tomorrow
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Thanks nixternal imbrandon RadiantFire
[05:49] <nixternal> haha np
[05:49] <imbrandon> yw
[05:49] <nixternal> did you get limewire?
[05:49] <DaSkreech> nope tomorrow
[05:49] <nixternal> im using it right now
[05:49] <nixternal> lol
[05:49] <DaSkreech> After I get javadebs
[05:49] <imbrandon> nixternal: all your's i'm off to code a bit
[05:49] <nixternal> dl'n at snails pace
[05:49] <nixternal> oh lord
[05:49] <nixternal> thx
[05:49] <nixternal> ;D
[05:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:49] <nixternal> codemonkey
[05:50] <imbrandon> hey you clicked in not me ;)
[05:50] <imbrandon> clocked*
[05:50] <nixternal> haha
[05:50] <Desh2> imbrandon, I know the password, but it says that pass is invalid
[05:51] <imbrandon> as i said , check you caps lock etc, it is the same one you logged in with
[05:51] <imbrandon> its the only password there is
[05:51] <imbrandon> brb
[05:54] <imbrandon> nixternal: just for you ........
[05:54] <imbrandon> !microsoft
[05:54] <ubotu> hmm... microsoft is Ubuntu bug #1 ( see - https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bug/1 )
[05:55] <nixternal> gahahahahahah
[05:55] <nixternal> nice one
[05:55] <nixternal> you set that one up quick
[05:55] <imbrandon> nah its been there a while i just linked it
[05:55] <nixternal> lol...good one
[05:55] <nixternal> make that say a kubuntu bug
[05:55] <nixternal> ubuntu is great and all...but it isn't kubuntu ;)
[05:55] <imbrandon> heh ubotu serves x/k/ed/ubuntu ;)
[05:56] <robotgeek> they are all the same, but then again...they are not :)
[05:56] <nixternal> haha
[05:56] <nixternal> edubuntu is the only one i haven't messed with
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: bug 46063
[05:56] <nixternal> i am not a bug
[05:56] <Hobbsee> ah, that plugin probably isnt active in here...
[05:56] <nixternal> oh...bug # 46063
[05:56] <imbrandon> not ubugtu in here ? hmmm
[05:57] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's a kubunt bug...
[05:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure, but that plugin would be disabled
[05:57] <nixternal> lol
[05:57] <nixternal> i wish prak would come back...i really want to get his network up and running
[05:58] <nixternal> i think when he installed...something got fubarred....no matter what i did for /etc/network/interfaces it would crash out on restart
[05:58] <rob> did anyone else notice on the live cd installer that the Kubuntu logo is all stretched on the last couple of dialogs?
[05:58] <nixternal> can't say that i have rob
[05:58] <nixternal> and i just installed it
[05:58] <nixternal> like...it just finished installing on my laptop
[05:59] <imbrandon> rob what version of the cd installer ( flight 7 ? )
[05:59] <rob> nixternal, I did two installs in the last week (one laptop. one this PC) and it was for both
[05:59] <nixternal> i didn't pay attention
[05:59] <rob> umm off the top of my head the latest flight
[05:59] <imbrandon> rob , ok ...... if you dont mind a new RC will be released soon , try it with that one also and tell us
[06:00] <rob> imbrandon, ok I'll check it out
[06:00] <nixternal> ;D
[06:00] <imbrandon> roflmao
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hi rob
[06:00] <imbrandon> btw heya Hobbsee ;)
[06:00] <rob> hi Hobbsee
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon :P
[06:01] <rob> are there any plans to make the bootsplash a little more easy on the eye?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> rob: ask kwwii, when he comes back
[06:01] <Hobbsee> he does all the artwork
[06:01] <nixternal> well hello
[06:01] <imbrandon> kwwii is the art god ;)
[06:01] <nixternal> kwwii went back to bed
[06:01] <rob> the chunky blocky text and blurry kubuntu logo doesn't do justice
[06:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe, not surprised
[06:02] <imbrandon> usplash or kdm splash ?
[06:02] <rob> usplash
[06:02] <nixternal> don't get me started on kdm splash...cuz mine isn't working
[06:02] <Hobbsee> rob: what resolution would you be running at?
[06:02] <imbrandon> ahh that is also limited by 14 colors and some font issues etc
[06:02] <rob> what ever the default is set to for usplash
[06:02] <imbrandon> 800x600 probbly
[06:03] <rob> its chunky even on my laptop with the 14 inch screen
[06:03] <Hobbsee> right
[06:03] <Hobbsee> i thought usplash had a resoltuion
[06:03] <rob> this one is 19
[06:03] <nixternal> i thought it did too
[06:03] <imbrandon> not saying it cant be improved but as i said ......that is also limited by 14 colors and some font issues etc
[06:03] <nixternal> cuz i know on my 1600x1200 screen it is small...like it is also 1600x1200
[06:03] <rob> Gentoo/Mandrake have had some really nice usplash in the past
[06:04] <nixternal> and it looks good
[06:04] <nixternal> don't need it...i know it is loading...if it's broke..it will tell me
[06:04] <rob> and/or the other version of it
[06:04] <RadiantFire> I like the boot splash stuff, and it actually works the whole way through shutdown on the latest update
[06:04] <imbrandon> yea suse has had some nice ones too
[06:05] <rob> I just like the eyecandy when its booting up
[06:05] <rob> if something breaks I'll check dmesg
[06:07] <OpenSorce> ok......I've always been a lilo user.......I wanted to play with grub a bit...I typed "grub" and then ctrl-c to exit it and now my Windows drive won't boot......coincidence you think?
[06:07] <rob> did you configure grub to list your windows partition?
[06:09] <OpenSorce> yes yes, and it worked previously
[06:09] <RadiantFire> does it not list your windows or does it not boot it correctly
[06:09] <rob> so grub lists the partition on boot, but when you select it it wiggs out?
[06:10] <OpenSorce> the windows issue probably has nothing to do with grub.......it gets to the screen asking if I want safemode or not.......so it's actually booting just freezing afterwards
[06:10] <rob> nar thats not grub
[06:10] <OpenSorce> it's just windows crashing again
[06:10] <OpenSorce> POS
[06:10] <rob> sounds like you have an issue with windows itself
[06:10] <nixternal> hahah
[06:11] <nixternal> i love when people get pissed at windows...as a matter of fact...i just got pissed at windows...cuz out of no where it just comes alive..figures..when you don't need it, it works
[06:11] <rob> delete that partition and store porn or something in its place :P
[06:12] <rob> I adminster a large windows based network for crust, its lots of fun
[06:12] <RadiantFire> mmm, I"m sure
[06:12] <rob> I have today of thankfully
[06:12] <rob> s/of/off
[06:12] <stevekl> Anyone know how to save a screencap in VLC?
[06:12] <OpenSorce> hehe.....nah I have it mounted.....I'll keep using the data I have on it til I can reformat again
[06:13] <rob> I was playing Sauerbraten last night at my lug meet, for an open source shoot-em-up its not bad
[06:13] <robotgeek> stevekl: printscreen works, i am not sure about vlc
[06:13] <rob> its no Quake/Doom/Unreal etc, but fun never the less
[06:13] <OpenSorce> http://www.videolan.org/doc/faq/en/index.html#id238820
[06:14] <stevekl> Well that's officially too much work
[06:14] <OpenSorce> stevekl: assuming you haven't read that already :-)
[06:15] <stevekl> I'm not about to close down an episode of MST3k right in the middle of it!
[06:15] <OpenSorce> I've tried to use the screen-cap app......I just get a blank capture
[06:28] <nixternal> AMD X2's hit the shelves today
[06:33] <_tom_> fatbins
[06:39] <Ahmuck> how do i adjust ACLOCAL_FLAGS ?
[06:43] <robotgeek> Ahmuck: maybe export them
[06:44] <robotgeek> using export ACLOCAL_FLAGS=blah
[06:45] <drgonzo> hello all
[06:45] <drgonzo> adept manager is giving me a lot of these errors today "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[06:45] <drgonzo> it's crashing during upgrades too
[06:45] <robotgeek> drgonzo: what does apt-get say?
[06:46] <drgonzo> what do you mean
[06:46] <robotgeek> drgonzo: try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[06:48] <drgonzo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:48] <drgonzo> i ran synaptic and it says something didnt complete run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:48] <drgonzo> which I did
[06:48] <drgonzo> maybe i should reinstall adapt manager
[06:48] <drgonzo> ?
[06:49] <robotgeek> drgonzo: no, no need
[06:49] <robotgeek> drgonzo: sudo apt-get install -f
[06:49] <graywolf> if you have a hard drive with like 5 gb left and install Kubuntu, can you gradually increase the partition size as you transfer files over from the rest of the HD?
[06:49] <drgonzo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:49] <robotgeek> drgonzo: i think you should be fine, just go ahead and install what you wanted to
[06:50] <Word> Bilford I'm pretty sure
[06:50] <drgonzo> robotgeek: i was just doing some adapt suggested updates
[06:50] <drgonzo> when it crashed updating about 40 packages
[06:50] <drgonzo> I then reran it and it said nothing is needed for update
[06:50] <drgonzo> Then the next day (today) it has another set of packages for suggested update and I did an update, and again it crashed during it.
[06:51] <robotgeek> drgonzo: weird. did you get the backtrace and file a bug?
[06:51] <drgonzo> no backtrace, just that error message.
[06:52] <robotgeek> drgonzo: hmm, not sure. i rarely use adept
[06:52] <drgonzo> IF i don't click ok on the error message window I noticed that adapt keeps running and continues to update
[06:52] <drgonzo> it only closes off after i click ok on the error message
[06:52] <_tom_> the thing i dont like about freenet is there is no ssl connection
[06:52] <robotgeek> ah, okay.
[06:52] <_tom_> but then again i think ssl is broke for me since thunderbird cant download my gmail
[06:52] <drgonzo> robotgeek: so i can do the same update using sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[06:52] <_tom_> it tries for like 2 minutes and then just moves on
[06:53] <drgonzo> If thats the case, I'll just use command
[06:54] <drgonzo> I thought dist-upgrade was used to upgrade between breezy and dapper.
[06:54] <drgonzo> or does dist-upgrade check packages installed against repo and update them to latest?
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> ive often used dist-upgrade as a 'more in depth' upgrade.. seems to fix a few things every now and then.
[06:56] <drgonzo> ok thanks
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> Not sure the other details.. but ive seen where it updates the kernels and some other more 'imporntant' packages that may get held back
[07:08] <raf> hello all
[07:08] <raf> what are the first steps to develop KDE applications in kubuntu?
[07:09] <imbrandon> learn c++/qt development
[07:09] <Hobbsee> depends - packaging, or actual developing?
[07:09] <imbrandon> true ;)
[07:10] <Word> dapper is stable enough right now right?
[07:10] <raf> I'm a c++ programmer, but I don't know qt
[07:11] <imbrandon> Word: depends on your def of stable, if you can put up with frequent updates and a FEW quarks here and there yes, FULL DISCLOSURE: i'm running dapper now for months
[07:11] <raf> Hobbsee: I don't understand what you mean with "packaging or actual dev"
[07:11] <Word> frequent updates make me giddy
[07:11] <imbrandon> raf: packaging is taking a c++ app and making it into a debain package
[07:11] <Hobbsee> er, as in, writing or hacking new applications, or packaging existing applications for the repositories?
[07:11] <Word> and a broken kubuntu install that probably won't boot the next time I restart does the opposite
[07:12] <raf> imbrandon: ko
[07:12] <raf> imbrandon: ok
[07:12] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:12] <imbrandon> 'ello
[07:13] <imbrandon> raf if you program in c++ currently look into c++ qt hooks
[07:14] <imbrandon> kde / kubuntu apps are MOSTLY c++ using the qt libs
[07:14] <imbrandon> although python / qt is gaining ground as of late
[07:16] <RadiantFire> raf: qt is easy to learn
[07:16] <RadiantFire> raf: I've been looking at the documentation for about a 2 days now and I feel like I have a decent grasp
[07:16] <raf> well, i want to develop a command line application, and develop a graphical front-end for that application
[07:16] <Word> imbrandon: Will there be an option to delete other OS installations when I run dapper install cd?
[07:17] <bimberi> s
[07:17] <raf> but I don't what I need to learn to start programming in linux
[07:17] <imbrandon> raf then do the command line in pure c++ and the graphical app part in python / qt , would be the EASIEST way
[07:17] <imbrandon> Word: yes , if you so choose
[07:17] <Word> Great, thanks.
[07:18] <raf> I mean, in windows there's an API, what's the way to programm linux applications
[07:18] <raf> ?
[07:19] <_rince_> programming in linux is not that different
[07:19] <raf> is there a pretty cool C++ IDE under linux?
[07:19] <_rince_> you have no solutions or projects but have to wirte Makefiles instead
[07:20] <_rince_> there are ides but i can't say wether they're cool, i do my stuff in vim or emacs
[07:20] <Word> well for web programming there's Quanta Plus
[07:21] <_rince_> there's kdevelop for c++
[07:21] <_rince_> and eclipse
[07:21] <_rince_> for whatever you like
[07:21] <raf> I'm using eclipse right know
[07:21] <_rince_> then it should be quite familiar
[07:21] <raf> but it's so slow
[07:22] <_rince_> that's right
[07:22] <raf> my pc is a P3 600Kh :D
[07:22] <_rince_> if you are planning on writing a lot of code, maybe emacs is worth a look
[07:22] <_rince_> but it looks kind of clumsy in the beginning
[07:22] <raf> can emacs run on kde?
[07:23] <_rince_> expecially if you come from windows, but it turns out to be a real powerful editor
[07:23] <_rince_> although it is written in lisp and has a gtk gui it runs on kde, yes :)
[07:23] <raf> cool
[07:24] <_rince_> anything that runs on linux, runs on kde ... kde is nothing more than the look and feel of your windows
[07:24] <raf> I'll try emacs
[07:24] <_rince_> be careful, it's a pain in the ass in the beginning
[07:24] <_rince_> and it's no ide
[07:25] <imbrandon> if you are using eclipse you will like kdevelop3
[07:25] <imbrandon> and it is an ide
[07:25] <raf> ooh
[07:25] <imbrandon> kdevelop3 is like visual c++ on windows
[07:26] <raf> I'm trying to install emacs from adept, but I don't know what package I must install, there's hundreds of it
[07:26] <imbrandon> hahaha
[07:26] <raf> hehehe
[07:26] <raf> I'm feeling that pain in the ass
[07:26] <imbrandon> raf honestly if you dont wanna learn emacs ( months just to learn the editor ) use kdevelop
[07:27] <_rince_> s/months/weeks/ but you're right somehow :)
[07:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:28] <imbrandon> weeks to use it productively months to leanr it ;)
[07:28] <_rince_> "emacs is a damn fine operating system, it just lacks a good editor" :)
[07:28] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[07:28] <raf> :D
[07:28] <aseigo> _rince_: didn't someone implement a vim-alike mode in emacs? so i'd say it has a decent editor now ;)
[07:28] <rob> maybe they should make a Vim plugin for it then :P
[07:29] <imbrandon> _rince_: something tells me RMS dident say that
[07:29] <_rince_> there is a vim plugin ... 'elvis' isn't it?
[07:29] <raf> iis it emacs harder to learn than vi editor?
[07:29] <imbrandon> yes
[07:29] <_rince_> i don't remember who said that :)
[07:29] <raf> whoops
[07:30] <Bilford_> just use KDevelop
[07:30] <raf> hehehe
[07:30] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install kdevelop3
[07:31] <raf> yes, I already did that
[07:31] <imbrandon> dont get me wrong emacs might be a good thing to have under your belt later but for right now dont touch it
[07:31] <raf> but I'll try emacs :D :D
[07:31] <imbrandon> okie ;) youve been warned ;)
[07:32] <raf> what about xemacs? is it the X version of emacs?
[07:32] <raf> hehehe
[07:32] <imbrandon> also just so you know emacs is not an ide its just an editor , so no linker / compiler etc you still need to know gcc etc but kdevelop takes care of all that for ya
[07:33] <stevekl> HUZZAH!
[07:35] <imbrandon> !ping
[07:35] <ubotu> pong
[07:35] <imbrandon_> grr
[07:36] <nixternal> lol
[07:36] <nixternal> problems?
[07:36] <imbrandon> heh
[07:36] <poimen> koffice is better than openoffice?
[07:36] <nixternal> i have a 222ms lag right now
[07:36] <nixternal> i love it
[07:36] <imbrandon> dam nic reset on me for some reason
[07:36] <nixternal> ahh..love when that happens
[07:36] <nixternal> that was happening to me the other night
[07:37] <nixternal> then the hard drive crashed
[07:37] <imbrandon> hopefully this is the only time it will happen *jinxes self*
[07:37] <nixternal> oh great...thats what you got to look forward to
[07:37] <imbrandon> heh i just put a sata150 400gb in here two days ago, it better not die lol
[07:37] <nixternal> $79.99 300gb ata133 7200rpm 8mb cache at fry's electronics
[07:37] <nixternal> hehe
[07:37] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:37] <nixternal> good ol' sata...
[07:38] <imbrandon> yea i wanted a sata300 but my wallet dident
[07:38] <nixternal> hehe
[07:38] <imbrandon> poimen: not better or worse, just diffrent, its more lightweight if thats what you mean
[07:39] <imbrandon> but it also is not as interoperable with windows office
[07:39] <imbrandon> as openoffice is
[07:39] <poimen> I see
[07:39] <imbrandon> so its a tradeoff
[07:39] <poimen> I have never used it...
[07:39] <imbrandon> well if you dont have to worry about windows users and the like then koffice is good
[07:39] <imbrandon> infact its great
[07:40] <Bilford_> why isnt KOffice installed by default
[07:40] <poimen> I am in col;lage and I have to use windows format for class room :(
[07:40] <nixternal> i hear you poimen...me too
[07:41] <poimen> :(
[07:41] <nixternal> funny thing...the instructor is the linux+ instructor for the area too
[07:41] <poimen> nixternal what you study?
[07:41] <nixternal> lol
[07:41] <nixternal> anything i can now adays
[07:41] <poimen> hum?
[07:42] <nixternal> im inthe process of finishin up my mba...but i take extra computer classes at the local college for transfer credits
[07:42] <poimen> ohh I see
[07:42] <Bilford_> where is KOffice
[07:42] <nixternal> gonna get into some coding cuz brandon told me to ;p
[07:42] <imbrandon> but if you deal with having to save in windows office format then you need openoffice ( koffice will read office docs just not save them )
[07:42] <imbrandon> grrrrrrr
[07:42] <nixternal> can you at least save them in rtf format?
[07:43] <nixternal> if you can save them in rtf format then im all koffice
[07:43] <Bilford_> I dont see KOffice in the
[07:43] <nixternal> cuz openoffice is a pig
[07:43] <Bilford_> I dont see KOffice in the Add Programs list
[07:43] <poimen> I feel out of place
[07:43] <poimen> I am using gnome for my desktop
[07:43] <poimen> because XGL works better here
[07:44] <Bilford_> wheres KOffice
[07:44] <poimen> XGL is lovely in KDE but I dont know why In suse it looks very nice but when I installed it in my kubuntu
[07:44] <imbrandon> poimen: its the same compiz in kde or gnome
[07:44] <poimen> the wobbly plugin is too exagerated
[07:44] <imbrandon> hold on Bilford
[07:45] <poimen> and there is another thing like a shadow I dont Know It sucks that I cant configure it in kde
[07:45] <imbrandon> Bilford "sudo apt-get install koffice"
[07:46] <imbrandon> there is a meta package
[07:46] <Bilford_> ty
[07:48] <Bilford_> thats weird
[07:49] <Bilford_> KOffice is a project of KDE and everything, but it's not in the normal Add Programs list or anything
[07:49] <imbrandon> kubuntu is not PURE kde ;)
[07:50] <poimen> Bilford : u cant put all software in one cd
[07:50] <Bilford_> ok
[07:50] <Bilford_> guess its a licensing thing
[07:51] <imbrandon> basicly it boils down to , kubuntu is made to make linux easy, open office fit that idea better than koffice, thus its the default office apps ;)
[07:51] <Bilford_> oh
[07:51] <imbrandon> but that dosent mean you cant install koffice later
[07:53] <vinboy> is the release at the (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/) stable enough?
[07:54] <Bilford_> yes
[07:54] <vinboy> ok
[07:54] <vinboy> i'll get tat
[07:54] <Bilford_> its practically the finished thing
[07:54] <vinboy> ic
[07:54] <vinboy> i assume it is the same as the Release candidate due on 25th
[07:54] <Bilford_> not exactly
[07:55] <vinboy> ok
[07:55] <vinboy> nvm
[07:55] <Bilford_> its due on the 25th?
[07:55] <Bilford_> I thought June 1
[07:55] <Bilford_> oh release candidate
[07:56] <vinboy> yup
[07:56] <vinboy> i just can't win
[07:56] <vinboy> can't wait
[07:56] <vinboy> i'm going crazy
[07:56] <Bilford_> why are you waiting
[07:56] <Bilford_> it just downloads any updates
[07:57] <vinboy> to get the CD
[07:57] <imbrandon> not quite
[07:57] <imbrandon> but close
[07:57] <imbrandon> thats the daily build
[07:57] <imbrandon> rc wont be out for more hours to come ( 12+ or more )
[07:57] <Bilford_> does it matter though
[07:57] <Bilford_> it just downloads the updates anyway
[07:57] <vinboy> i'll do apt-get update when new things come
[07:58] <riri> Hi
[07:58] <riri> you see a pleased man ! lol
[07:58] <Bilford_> why
[07:58] <riri> i installed dapper 7 yesterday
[07:58] <imbrandon> gj
[07:59] <riri> but i was so afraid to break my linux i format xp ! lol
[07:59] <Bilford_> did you get your activation code
[07:59] <riri> so no more xp
[07:59] <riri> activation code ?
[07:59] <imbrandon> activation code ?
[07:59] <Bilford_> you have to register your copy
[07:59] <vinboy> are the images at (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/) install cd or live cd?
[08:00] <Bilford_> oh nm
[08:00] <imbrandon> live cd as it says in the url
[08:00] <crimsun> vinboy: live
[08:00] <Bilford_> wrong channel
[08:00] <riri> if i don't register dapper ?
[08:00] <imbrandon> Bilford maybe your thinking of #windows ;)
[08:00] <Bilford_> yeah
[08:00] <imbrandon> riri: no you dont have to register it
[08:00] <Bilford_> lol
[08:00] <riri> lol
[08:00] <riri> ouf
[08:01] <riri> i began to smile yellow ! lol
[08:01] <riri> don't make me so much pain in the morning ! lol
[08:01] <vinboy> crimsun: am I able to install using espresso to my HD?
[08:01] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:01] <imbrandon> vinboy: yes you should be able to no problems
[08:01] <vinboy> ok
[08:01] <riri> you know i sticked to mandriva till now just because i needed to share internet
[08:01] <vinboy> kool
[08:02] <seaLne> vinboy: dapper-desktop is a live cd that you can also install from
[08:02] <riri> yes
[08:02] <Bilford_> how do you refresh the Menu after installilng something that doesnt show up
[08:02] <riri> but my version was not night so i couldn't do it manually
[08:02] <imbrandon> Bilford restart kicker
[08:02] <Bilford_> ty
[08:02] <Bilford_> is it in init.d
[08:02] <riri> i have a little problem
[08:02] <imbrandon> Bilford no
[08:02] <riri> i wanted to install vmplayer
[08:03] <riri> to try xp :) lol
[08:03] <riri> so i found a nice webpage
[08:03] <riri> made by a newbie female...
[08:03] <riri> everything perfect... till vmware package
[08:03] <riri> i choosed rpm
[08:04] <riri> and installed rpm
[08:04] <riri> but missed dependances /bin/sh
[08:04] <riri> what this ?
[08:04] <imbrandon> rpm in kubuntu ?
[08:04] <riri> so i tried tar packages... tar xvfz
[08:04] <riri> yes
[08:05] <riri> i installed it from synaptic
[08:05] <imbrandon> why not just use the vmware player tar from vmware.com ;)
[08:05] <imbrandon> very easy to setup
[08:05] <riri> because i need vmware station
[08:05] <imbrandon> ahh warez
[08:05] <riri> to make my image of xp
[08:05] <imbrandon> you can use the free vmware server to make an image
[08:06] <imbrandon> and be totaly legal
[08:06] <riri> yes
[08:06] <riri> but i want to try vmware :)
[08:06] <riri> is there any problem with tar command ?
[08:06] <imbrandon> not that i know of
[08:06] <riri> may be the file is corrupted
[08:06] <riri> well 100 mb to load ! lol
[08:07] <riri> ok i try again...
[08:07] <riri> a friend of mine just told me i can use alien file.rpm ?
[08:08] <riri> is alien ok ?
[08:08] <riri> hi nixternal
[08:09] <CutieCoder> ?
[08:09] <nixternal> hey riri
[08:09] <imbrandon> you can try it but i recomend getting the official stuff from vmware.com
[08:09] <imbrandon> instead
[08:09] <imbrandon> its free no reason no to
[08:11] <riri> yes
[08:11] <riri> i load again and if broken i try alien
[08:12] <riri> so nixt i have come to kubuntu at last
[08:13] <riri> i used firestarter for my sharing internet
[08:17] <riri> is there somewhere I can get timidity ?
[08:18] <ubuntu_> imbrandon: Hey you still here?
[08:18] <imbrandon> yup
[08:18] <ubuntu_> This is word..i'm trying to install dapper..but when it's reading my windows partition it crashes
[08:18] <riri> you are in manual ?
[08:18] <ubuntu_> i'm using the cd
[08:19] <riri> if yes take a nightly
[08:19] <imbrandon> ubuntu , hold on one sec
[08:19] <riri> i spend the bug
[08:19] <Bilford_> how old is your CD
[08:19] <ubuntu_> just made it
[08:19] <riri> but it's already duplicated
[08:19] <Bilford_> from daily?
[08:19] <_phoenix> Hi all !
[08:19] <imbrandon> there are 3 packages you might need to update , hold on
[08:20] <ubuntu_> flight 7 bilford
[08:20] <riri> Hi alone :)
[08:20] <Bilford_> you probably have an older verison.  it has a partition bug
[08:20] <Bilford_> this is the link for the latest:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[08:20] <imbrandon> Bilford yes but there is a fix , just chill one sec
[08:20] <Bilford_> ok
[08:20] <_phoenix> I have a couple of questions: 1. I have downloaded Mozilla Firefox and Opera browsers
[08:20] <imbrandon> that is not nessesary
[08:21] <_phoenix> but non of them have a config file
[08:21] <ubuntu_> thanks imbrandon I really can't burn another cd if I want it to get done any time soon
[08:21] <_phoenix> so... when I enter ./configure, don't have somethnig to configure
[08:22] <_phoenix> How can I install Firefox or Opera browsers if I don't have a config file ?
[08:22] <riri> bilford 6.06 is not 7 ?
[08:22] <ubuntu_> opera has its own package so all you have to do is download it and right click Kubuntu package menu-> install
[08:22] <_phoenix> I'll try it right now
[08:23] <Bilford_> Flight 7 is beta of 6.06, but there's also daily builds
[08:23] <riri> ok i wait the final :)
[08:23] <_phoenix> not working. I downloaded tar.gz and I extract it
[08:24] <word> go to the opera website
[08:24] <_phoenix> I went there
[08:24] <word> and go through there download menu
[08:24] <_phoenix> no help for Linux install
[08:24] <word> and go to linux
[08:24] <word> you don't need help
[08:24] <_phoenix> I'll check again
[08:24] <word> you need the .deb for ubuntu
[08:24] <_phoenix> ook :0
[08:24] <_phoenix> :)
[08:24] <imbrandon> !ff1.5
[08:24] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[08:25] <_phoenix> thank you
[08:25] <Bilford_> new FF is in Dapper
[08:26] <imbrandon> Bilford that has directions for both
[08:26] <riri> can we write on ntfs ?
[08:27] <riri> xp
[08:31] <imbrandon> not without captitive ntfs drivers
[08:32] <imbrandon> default install no
[08:32] <vinboy> wat is captitive ntfs drivers?
[08:32] <word> and captive ntfs still carries heavy 'don't yell at us if all your files are erased' warning heh...
[08:33] <imbrandon> vinboy: its a 3rd party ntfs kernel driver that uses wine
[08:34] <imbrandon> !google captiventfs
[08:34] <ubotu> imbrandon: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:34] <imbrandon> heh
[08:36] <nixternal`zzz> g`night all
[08:36] <imbrandon> night nixternal`zzz
[08:36] <nixternal`zzz> night codemonkey
[08:36] <nixternal`zzz> haha
[08:58] <imbrandon> !ping
[08:58] <ubotu> pong
[08:58] <imbrandon> kinda quiet tonight ;)
[08:58] <farhank> anyone is using yahoo messenger provided by yahoo?
[08:59] <rob> heh no
[08:59] <_rince_> "tonight"?
[08:59] <farhank> ok
[08:59] <_rince_> imbrandon: where do you live?
[08:59] <imbrandon> kansas city, usa
[08:59] <imbrandon> y?
[09:00] <_rince_> ah, it's 9 a.m. here :)
[09:00] <farhank> no, not at all, i just dont want to use it, i am able to connect through gaim and kopete
[09:00] <aftertaf> hi all :)
[09:01] <yo_yo> hi
[09:02] <_rince_> 9 a.m. and not enough coffee yet %-)
[09:02] <imbrandon> asia ?
[09:02] <aftertaf> _rince_, its brewing right now :)
[09:02] <farhank> Pakistan
[09:02] <_rince_> europe
[09:02] <imbrandon> ah ;)
[09:02] <imbrandon> utc is 7am ;)
[09:02] <_rince_> that's all that counts :)
[09:02] <imbrandon> 2am here localtime
[09:03] <_rince_> aftertaf: i'm already at work, so i have to wait for my collegues
[09:03] <yo_yo> _rince_
[09:03] <yo_yo> where?
[09:03] <_rince_> .oO( however that is spelled )
[09:03] <_rince_> yo_yo: nuernberg, germany
[09:03] <aftertaf> i'm on shifts now, so i start @ 13:00
[09:03] <yo_yo> uh
[09:03] <yo_yo> :D
[09:04] <aftertaf> france :)
[09:04] <yo_yo> good
[09:04] <yo_yo> :)
[09:04] <yo_yo> italy me
[09:04] <yo_yo> ^_^
[09:04] <aftertaf> europe :)
[09:04] <yo_yo> yes
[09:04] <yo_yo> i'm at school
[09:04] <yo_yo> :)
[09:05] <_rince_> is there a non-europe italy, too?
[09:05] <_rince_> :-)
[09:05] <yo_yo> O_o
[09:05] <yo_yo> xD
[09:05] <_rince_> ok, maybe i missed the point here, off for some coffee
[09:06] <yo_yo> i need coffee too
[09:06] <aftertaf> good idea coffee :)
[09:06] <yo_yo> :|
[09:18] <aftertaf> hehe, want some?
[09:18] <raf> hello
[09:18] <aftertaf> hi raf
[09:18] <raf> I want to install other languages in Kubuntu, what can I do?
[09:19] <aftertaf> raf, open synaptic. and type the english name for your language in the search.
[09:19] <imbrandon> raf look for language packs in adapt
[09:19] <Hobbsee> mabye a couple of other things too...
[09:19] <imbrandon> no MT DEW ?!?! omg
[09:19] <yo_yo> mmm
[09:19] <yo_yo> boy
[09:19] <yo_yo> do yopu know how change splash?
[09:19] <yo_yo> you*
[09:20] <raf> I ran adept,but there's hundreds of packages on spanish language-pack-es, language-pack.kde-es, etc
[09:20] <raf> I don't know what I need to install
[09:20] <aftertaf> raf install the kde one language-pack.kde-es,
[09:20] <raf> aftertaf: what is synaptic?
[09:21] <aftertaf> i should have said adept ;)
[09:21] <raf> oh, ok :D
[09:21] <yo_yo> uff
[09:21] <imbrandon> synaptic == gtk version of adept
[09:21] <imbrandon> or similar
[09:21] <raf> ooh, ok
[09:22] <raf> I haven't synaptic, but I ahve adept
[09:22] <raf> have*
[09:24] <csseyah> hey guys!
[09:24] <csseyah> question here!!!
[09:25] <csseyah> hello guru
[09:25] <csseyah> anybody here\
[09:26] <aftertaf> askawaay
[09:26] <aftertaf> raf, you found it compadr
[09:26] <csseyah> ok
[09:26] <csseyah> sue komportable
[09:26] <csseyah> :p
[09:27] <raf> aftertaf: hehehehe, yes I found it, thanks
[09:28] <csseyah> what command Im going to run when im login in the terminal mode going to x windows...
[09:28] <aftertaf> ol man ;)
[09:28] <aftertaf> csseyah, eh?
[09:28] <aftertaf> what do you mean?
[09:29] <csseyah> you know what i mean
[09:31] <aftertaf> startx?
[09:31] <aftertaf> no i dont. you make little sense!
[09:31] <raf> yaahooo, now my Kubuntu is in spanish
[09:31] <raf> and german
[09:31] <csseyah> ohh men
[09:31] <raf> thanks a lot!
[09:31] <csseyah> did u understand
[09:31] <csseyah> that languages?
[09:31] <raf> yes
[09:31] <csseyah> ur amazing men
[09:31] <csseyah> :p
[09:31] <csseyah> what else languages
[09:31] <csseyah> can u speak
[09:31] <csseyah> :D
[09:31] <raf> mmm no, hehehe
[09:31] <csseyah> hehehehe
[09:31] <raf> I'm not amazing, I need those languages
[09:32] <csseyah> ohh ic
[09:32] <csseyah> :d
[09:32] <csseyah> maybe
[09:32] <csseyah> your trying
[09:32] <csseyah>  to access
[09:32] <csseyah> the site
[09:32] <csseyah> with that languages
[09:32] <csseyah> :p
[09:32] <raf> I speak spanish, german, a very bad english and nahuatl
[09:33] <yo_yo> nahuatl?
[09:33] <yo_yo> what is?
[09:33] <yo_yo> O_o
[09:33] <raf> nahuatl is a mexican language
[09:33] <csseyah> ic
[09:33] <csseyah> what is the command for going back to x windows
[09:34] <aftertaf> csseyah, alt + F7
[09:35] <seth|lappy> 'tis ctrl + alt + F7 actually
[09:36] <seth|lappy> but I think you want startx, as he said earlier
[09:36] <aftertaf> seth|lappy, not if in console already :P
[09:36] <seth|lappy> even better would probably be sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:36] <seth|lappy> to make sure things are happy
[09:36] <aftertaf> i agree :)
[09:39] <_johan> where can i set settings to let work my fan on my laptop? using dapper drake
[09:43] <Spaceraver> hi... i think i have a major problem... after choosing install to disc it says Uncompressing Linux. Booting Kernel
[09:43] <aftertaf> Spaceraver, restart it, and choose recovery mode (press esc if grub doesnt show) and give us the exact error... Which cd:dvd did you use to istall?
[09:43] <Spaceraver> ALERT! /dev/ram/ does not exist. Dropping to console
[09:44] <Spaceraver> it's at the install
[09:44] <aftertaf> what cd Spaceraver ?
[09:44] <Spaceraver> then /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[09:44] <Spaceraver> it's the 6.06 DVD
[09:45] <Spaceraver> drops me to busybox console...
[09:45] <aftertaf> 6.06... not yet stable.
[09:45] <aftertaf> Spaceraver, id use 5.10 then dist-upgrade if you want dapper......   and let the ppl know what doesnt work.
[09:45] <aftertaf> bugreport it
[09:45] <Spaceraver> hmmm...
[09:47] <aftertaf> 6.06 isnt finalised yet. so there must be a bug in it that comes up with your config.....
[09:48] <Spaceraver> okay... ill report it at the forums... there goes that dvd out the window...
[09:48] <aftertaf> remerber which flight number? Spaceraver ?
[09:48] <Spaceraver> i38
[09:48] <Spaceraver> dl'ed straight off kubuntu hp
[09:49] <aftertaf> Hobbsee, you nkow who to mention that to?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: what?
[09:49] <Hobbsee> hi sugoruyo
[09:50] <aftertaf> Hobbsee, 6.06 install dvd hanging on start: ALERT! /dev/ram/ does not exist. Dropping to console
[09:50] <sugoruyo> i'm having some troubles with KDE on ubuntu flight 7
[09:50] <Spaceraver> then /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[09:50] <Spaceraver> it drops me to busybox
[09:50] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: talk to Riddell about that
[09:50] <riri> vmware installed without any problem...
[09:51] <aftertaf> Riddell, ALERT! /dev/ram/ does not exist. Dropping to console   on the 6.06 install DVD...
[09:51] <riri> i guess my tar file was corrupted yesterday
[09:51] <sugoruyo> can someone help?
[09:51] <aftertaf> Riddell, then :/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off
[09:51] <riri> alien is not good
[09:51] <aftertaf> riri no . :)
[09:51] <imbrandon> sugoruyo: whats the problem?
[09:52] <sugoruyo> i'm in gnome
[09:52] <sugoruyo> and i have a notification that says
[09:52] <raf> hello again, I've downloaded the manpages in spanish, but I don't know ho to make that manpages the default
[09:52] <sugoruyo> i got tons of updates
[09:52] <sugoruyo> available
[09:52] <aftertaf> raf, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:52] <imbrandon> sugoruyo: ok and the problem ?
[09:52] <sugoruyo> so i tell it get them, and most files fail with a 404 error
[09:53] <imbrandon> sugoruyo: open a console and type
[09:53] <sugoruyo> also it tries to get'em from a au. mirror and i don't know why
[09:53] <aftertaf> sugoruyo, pastebin your sources.list
[09:53] <Spaceraver> this is bugging me bigtime... funny thing is the suse dvd works and install perfectly..
[09:53] <imbrandon> "sudo apt-get update"
[09:53] <riri> aftertaf do you mean it's good ?
[09:53] <riri> lol
[09:53] <aftertaf> Spaceraver, grab the 5.10 install cd/dvd and install that, then upgrade.... 6.06 is in final touches, but still not 100% stable.
[09:53] <riri> aftertaf means aprs le boulot ?
[09:53] <aftertaf> riri, not at all ;)
[09:54] <Spaceraver> okay
[09:54] <aftertaf> riri, oui ;)
[09:54] <riri> i guess you are from this funny country ! lol
[09:54] <sugoruyo> imbrandon: ok i did
[09:54] <aftertaf> not from, but in.
[09:54] <sugoruyo> aftertaf: what's that?
[09:55] <imbrandon> sugoruyo: now try
[09:55] <imbrandon> the updates
[09:55] <aftertaf> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:55] <sugoruyo> aftertaf: no i mean where is the pastebin
[09:55] <sugoruyo> what's the url
[09:55] <imbrandon> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:55] <aftertaf> !pastebin
[09:55] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[09:57] <Spaceraver> hmm... weird... cant seem to find the dvd release of 5.10 on the ubuntu hp... might as well have the option between kde and gnome
[09:57] <riri> aftertaf i am astonished of the quality of kubuntu
[09:57] <riri> even i use dapper 7
[09:57] <a_la_poste> me too :)
[09:57] <a_la_poste> back soon....
[09:58] <sugoruyo> imbrandon: ok now i'm getting stuf
[09:58] <riri> working there ? lol
[09:58] <riri> _la_poste ?
[09:59] <riri> it's strange : fr-kubuntu is not very crowded... but here lot of french...
[09:59] <raf> aftertaf: thanks, after "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" my manpages still appear in english
[09:59] <riri> so is there a need to make a fr one ?
[09:59] <sugoruyo> A
[09:59] <raf> aftertaf: thanks, but after "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales" my manpages still appear in english
[10:00] <Hobbsee> seawolf__: turn that off please
[10:00] <sugoruyo> a_la_poste: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14538
[10:00] <sugoruyo> imbrandon: what exactly was that?
[10:02] <_phoenix> I'm back, so... I can't install Firefox
[10:02] <lbe> guys how/where can i set Firefox as my default webbrowser, i am very new to kubuntu.
[10:02] <_phoenix> it didn't work in the way they say on the website
[10:03] <a_la_poste> _phoenix, sudo apt-get install firefox / use adept
[10:03] <_phoenix> I know sudo apt-get
[10:03] <_phoenix> but he didn't find
[10:04] <a_la_poste> apt-cache search firefox
[10:04] <_phoenix> I'll try to install Opera
[10:04] <a_la_poste> im off, be back soon
[10:04] <_phoenix> ok
[10:06] <imbrandon> lbe: k --> system settings --> kde components --> default browser
[10:07] <imbrandon> _phoenix: try this link
[10:07] <imbrandon> !ff1.5
[10:07] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:08] <Spaceraver> okay... i submitted the bug to the forums...
[10:09] <imbrandon> forums or launchpad ?
[10:10] <imbrandon> Spaceraver: there isnt a 5.10 dvd , only cd as far as i know
[10:10] <imbrandon> dapper dvd just is the live cd and install cd in one
[10:10] <Spaceraver> well i found the dvd after a bit of googling
[10:11] <imbrandon> well if your going to install it like i said save your self some bandwidth and grab the cd ;) ( if you dont need the live cd option )
[10:13] <_phoenix> there is also an DVD
[10:13] <imbrandon> ther is but like i said its just livecd + text install ( no extra packages )
[10:13] <Spaceraver> well i need the live dvd ver... might persuade some people to switch to linux along with me...
[10:14] <firepol> I wrote a post about the issues i encountered by upgrading from kubuntu breezy (+kde 3.5.2) to dapper, if someone is interested, take a look: http://www.pbworks.net/wp/2006/05/23/upgrading-ubuntu-breezy-to-dapper/
[10:14] <imbrandon> firepol: thanks, will do
[10:14] <Spaceraver> since i dont know anybody who runs linux other than a LUG based 10 km from here
[10:15] <Spaceraver> and 2 open minds is better than one
[10:15] <imbrandon> firepol: Sorry, no posts matched your criteria.
[10:16] <Spaceraver> or more even...
[10:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:17] <firepol> wtf, sorry, I'm editing the post righr now... ill fix it and repost the link
[10:17] <imbrandon> firepol: you might be interested in providing feedback on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/UpgradePaths too
[10:17] <Spaceraver> even though there are no linux users among the people i know i might make some people switch if they try it first... ie a live disc is handy for that...
[10:18] <imbrandon> Spaceraver: true
[10:18] <raf> aftertaf: man, I need help with my manpages
[10:18] <raf> the locales method doesn't seems to work
[10:18] <firepol> http://www.pbworks.net/wp/2006/05/23/upgrading-ubuntu-breezy-to-dapper/
[10:19] <Spaceraver> but im sorry to inform that ill keep my Win anyway... until there is DX9 support i cant solely rely linux on a daily basis...
[10:20] <imbrandon> Spaceraver: cedega has dx9 support
[10:20] <visik7> DX9 where?
[10:20] <firepol> imrandon: now it should work, sorry for the inconvenience
[10:20] <imbrandon> firepol: no, look also at the link i posted for you
[10:20] <firepol> imbrandon: ill take a loom at the wiki.
[10:20] <imbrandon> s/no/np
[10:21] <Spaceraver> so then i pay a amount of money to use their service.. and get rid of win alltogether..
[10:21] <firepol> imbrandon: the bigger bug i encountered it the openoffice. it was removed during the upgrade
[10:22] <Spaceraver> when i have all the qiurks ironed out ill make a whole switch ie.. Mp3 and video support.. and support for my cad suites
[10:23] <imbrandon> Spaceraver: there is also a cedegacvs version thats free
[10:23] <imbrandon> google for it
[10:24] <imbrandon> and mp3 and vidieo support take aout 5 minutes to setup, if you have issues feel free to come ask in here
[10:24] <imbrandon> cad you a bit on your own ;)
[10:25] <Spaceraver> is it possible to make a configuration file that says "get this and that package and install it" at the same time?? so i could save the cfg file to say a USB disc and load it
[10:25] <Spaceraver> or is that a big thing to do...
[10:26] <Spaceraver> im really a n00b at this...
[10:26] <imbrandon> you could add them all to a script and run the script
[10:26] <imbrandon> could be whipped up in just a few minutes
[10:27] <Spaceraver> nice...
[10:28] <riri> 88
[10:28] <Spaceraver> and i guess there is loads of console man pages i sift through first then...
[10:35] <dergringo> how can I change default browser to firefox?
[10:38] <aseigo> dergringo: in the control center there is a "default applications" panel
[10:41] <dergringo> aseigo: thank you :)
[10:50] <seaLne> is there a way to make all kde apps use utf8?
[11:09] <Bilford> is there a broken thing in tonight's update
[11:26] <Bilford> test
[11:31] <tiago> hi !!
[11:36] <qzzhong> p
[11:36] <qzzhong> 
[11:36] <Bilford> cool
[12:09] <larsivi> Do the kubuntu koffice 1.5.1 packages have a fix for that fatal kexi bug?
[12:10] <Adam_eM> hi there
[12:22] <Adam_eM> i'm going to give kubuntu 6.06 a try... is it the same as ubuntu ? what differs these two releases
[12:23] <larsivi> Adam_eM: KDE :)
[12:23] <P3L|C4N0> the desktop enviroment
[12:27] <larsivi> Riddell: Do the kubuntu koffice 1.5.1 packages have a fix for that fatal kexi bug?
[12:28] <Adam_eM> larsivi that's great: i like the whole idea behind ubuntu but i don't like gnome :)
[12:28] <Riddell> larsivi: yes, they do
[12:28] <Riddell> although you might want to test that on trial data first
[12:28] <larsivi> Riddell: thanks, don't have the trial data yet ;)
[12:29] <blagoj> ngon frn sverige?
[12:30] <Adam_eM> the only thing i am afraid of are the packages... most of them were made on gnome/gtk, so they're without qt flags... am i wrong ?
[12:31] <larsivi> Adam_eM: I haven't experienced such problems
[12:33] <Adam_eM> larsivi i meant that... for example: you're going to install some application, and after it you haven't got them displayed in the kmenu or such
[12:33] <klerfayt> Adam_eM: log out amd in
[12:35] <klerfayt> Adam_eM: it can happen backwards - you remove an applications but it's still in menu
[12:36] <Adam_eM> i've never used to use any debian based distro, but i decided to try kubuntu in view of lots of packages. Can i use packages from debian repos too ?
[12:37] <EvilIdler> You can usually use packages built for Debian, but avoid the official repositories. You'll find most, if not all, in Ubuntu.
[12:37] <Adam_eM> klerfayt i had the problem if i was trying to install gnome-compiled package
[12:39] <Adam_eM> i wanted to install gentoo because it has the biggest package base, but i have no time to compile everything so i decided to use kubuntu. I am using suse now
[12:39] <Sythen> huh?
[12:40] <Sythen> you devide to use kubuntu but are using suse.. o.O
[12:41] <Adam_eM> Sythen i haven't installed kubuntu yet. I'm just going too... and i'd like to get sum info about it
[12:42] <Sythen> Ahh, I get it :oD
[12:43] <Sythen> mirc in suse?
[12:44] <Adam_eM> Sythen windoze now, i'm not at home
[12:47] <Adam_eM> i wonder if i could install my old nvidia card on dapper, which pisses me off on suse...
[12:47] <Adam_eM> 7174 driver + 2.6.16 kernel\
[12:51] <Adam_eM> anyone knows ?
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > Adam_eM: check the wiki perhaps? (I dont know, just sayin what I do know :) )
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > !nvidia
[12:52] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > :(
[12:53] <Snake[Sleep] > Adam_eM: according to that page ubotu just spit up, it goes back to the TNT and TNT2.. so it might work?
[12:54] <Adam_eM> Snake[Sleep]  i've got riva tnt2...
[12:54] <Adam_eM> and the usb modem - this might be a problem too
[12:55] <Adam_eM> but the nvidia drivers are included in repos - great
[12:55] <Snake[Sleep] > Heh USB modems I know nothing about :) but hell, worth a shot, wait for june 1st and get a dapper desktop cd (or go and get it now, but dapper is in beta stages - but its pretty stable)
[12:58] <Adam_eM> Snake[Sleep]  i've made a request for it via shipit. I hope it's worth to remove suse :)
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > Alright I got to get going
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > hope you like kubuntu Adam_eM :)
[01:00] <Adam_eM> Snake[Sleep]  i hope so too :) take care, bye
[01:30] <crazy_penguin> hi all!
[01:31] <klerfayt> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/XglHowto?highlight=%28xgl%29 - that's for gnome and not kde!
[01:34] <klerfayt> something wrong here with xgl - I don't have window decoration and system tray
[01:35] <klerfayt> panel doesn't respond
[01:37] <Seantater> klerfayt: they say -- xgl is /experimental/
[01:38] <Seantater> klerfayt: try #ubuntu-xgl
[01:38] <klerfayt> Seantater:  help me fix it
[01:38] <klerfayt> Seantater:  look into your  /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[01:38] <klerfayt> Seantater:  line 464
[01:39] <klerfayt> Seantater: what comes after ServerCmd=
[01:39] <Seantater>  /usr/X11R6/bin/X -br
[01:39] <Seantater> no spaces before /usr
[01:40] <klerfayt> Seantater: I found the error compiz.real: Couldn't load plugin 'libgconf.so
[01:40] <Seantater> so is libgconf installed?
[01:41] <klerfayt> Seantater: let me first revert back to normal
[01:41] <klerfayt> Seantater: kde is like half broken now
[01:41] <chavo> klerfayt, It's all working for me but I used the quinstorm repos for compiz
[01:44] <Seantater> klerfayt: working?
[01:45] <klerfayt> Seantater: yes kde is back to normal
[01:45] <Seantater> klerfayt: xorg working?
[01:45] <klerfayt> Seantater: y
[01:45] <Seantater> klerfayt: good!
[01:46] <klerfayt> eh, I need gnome-window-decorator for compiz?
[01:48] <firepol> hi there, i was using kubuntu with kde 3.5.2 (kubunut.org official repositories). i recently upgraded to dapper and now I have the following problem with konqueror:
[01:48] <firepol> i have the "bookmarks" applet. each time i click a bookmark it opens it in a new konqueror window instead of using always the same one
[01:48] <chavo> klerfayt, yes
[01:49] <klerfayt> firepol: setting>configure konqueror
[01:49] <klerfayt> firepol: web behaviour>tabbed browsing
[01:51] <firepol> klerfayt: thank you very much
[01:51] <firepol> the optinop was "hidden" inside the "advanced" tab
[01:51] <firepol> *option
[01:56] <klerfayt> I need good howto for compiz under kubuntu
[02:01] <chavo> klerfayt, did you try ubuntuforums.org?
[02:01] <klerfayt> chavo: they are all gnome-centric
[02:01] <chavo> well I found one and it's working here
[02:02] <klerfayt> chavo: link please? :)
[02:02] <chavo> hold on a sec
[02:04] <chavo> klerfayt, you have an nvidia card?
[02:04] <klerfayt> chavo: yeah
[02:06] <klerfayt> kde-window-decorator is broken?
[02:06] <chavo> there's no kde-window decorator
[02:07] <klerfayt> there is : KDE window decorator that can be used with the compiz composition and window manager
[02:07] <klerfayt> compiz-kde
[02:07] <klerfayt> and it's broken?
[02:07] <apokryphos> yes, it's not complete
[02:07] <klerfayt> ahaa; so I should install gnome-compiz instead?
[02:08] <chavo> I have both installed but run gnome-window-decorator
[02:08] <chavo> I'm using the quinstorm compiz repos too, not sure if that makes a difference
[02:08] <apokryphos> klerfayt: es
[02:08] <klerfayt> ok I failed with kde-compiz I'll try with gnome-compiz
[02:08] <chavo> but just Today I finally got it all working
[02:09] <apokryphos> don't worry, it doesn't look very gnomey at all =)
[02:09] <chavo> well I had it working before, but it's working with Twinview now
[02:09] <chavo> the windeco is nice but I like my buttons on the left
[02:10] <chavo> plus the XGL server fixes a wierd font rendering bug on geforce 6600 cards
[02:10] <klerfayt> chavo: what's the issue?
[02:10] <piotrek> Can anyone help me installing Intel C++ Compiler on kubuntu?
[02:10] <chavo> real slow font rendering on 6600GT with nvidia driver
[02:11] <klerfayt> chavo: woot
[02:12] <nads> hey guys... i have an unusual question...does anyone know where the string table of the symbol table in an elf file is found? (in other words, i want to translate the symbols into their textual names)
[02:12] <chavo> woops one bug I havent fixed with XGL
[02:12] <chavo> Shift and backspace kills the X session :D
[02:13] <piotrek> Can anyone help me installing Intel C++ Compiler on kubuntu?
[02:13] <apokryphos> not a bug; a feature
[02:13] <chavo> there's still some wierd bugs though, I can't get the Server List window for konversation to close
[02:13] <piotrek> #join intel
[02:13] <piotrek> join #intel
[02:13] <chavo> yeah man that slow font rendering thing made me go back to Windows, but now everything seems to be rockin
[02:24] <klerfayt> hmm still broken
[02:24] <klerfayt> this time with decorations
[02:25] <klerfayt> but panel doesn't respond
[02:25] <klerfayt> compiz.real: Couldn't load plugin 'libtransset.so'
[02:25] <apokryphos> transset is obsolete now, anyhow; replaced by trailfocus and state plugins
[02:25] <apokryphos> and transset only comes in quinn's packs
[02:26] <klerfayt> extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:28] <pradeepto> Riddell: around?
[02:30] <Riddell> pradeepto: hi
[02:30] <pradeepto> Riddell: hey there.
[02:30] <klerfayt> I'll try kubuntu.org wiki's xglhowto
[02:30] <pradeepto> Riddell: just wanted to tell you that I just came back from a Qt development talk a while back.
[02:31] <pradeepto> Riddell: to a group of engg. college professors.
[02:31] <pradeepto> Riddell: gave away a lot of Kubuntu CDs, those rare blue packed ones :)
[02:31] <klerfayt> I don't have package gset-compiz
[02:31] <chavo> klerfayt, it's not needed but makes it easier to configure
[02:31] <apokryphos> pradeepto: good stuff! =)
[02:32] <pradeepto> Riddell: and also started the show with Umbrello as  proof what Qt can do :)
[02:32] <pradeepto> apokryphos: thanks :)
[02:32] <chavo> I have a question about kubuntu-default-settings, why are there no bookmarks for konqueror?
[02:32] <chavo> i just noticed that on the live cd
[02:33] <klerfayt> take a look here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/XglHowto?highlight=%28xgl%29 - isn't this for gnome?
[02:33] <imbrandon> kbuntu and ubuntu use the same wiki back end , they are themed
[02:33] <klerfayt> imbrandon: ok there can I find good xgl for kde?
[02:34] <imbrandon> you can actualy use that for kde too , the gnome decorator works
[02:35] <imbrandon> just use compiz-kde instead of compiz-gnome
[02:35] <imbrandon> all the rest should be the same
[02:35] <Riddell> pradeepto: wonderful :)
[02:36] <chavo> klerfayt, make sure you have no stray instances of gnome-window-decorator running it doesn't always exit gracefully
[02:36] <pradeepto> Riddell: :)
[02:36] <pradeepto> Riddell: the box you sent just has 5 CDs and your card left now. Thanks for them dude :)
[02:37] <klerfayt> chavo: I need howto first. you found it?
[02:37] <klerfayt> chavo: shouldn't I replace "gnome-session "  with "kde" ?
[02:37] <chavo> I can't find the exact one I used, I think I took info from a lot of them. compiz and xgl are in heavy development and hard to stay on top of the progress
[02:38] <klerfayt> chavo: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/XglHowto?highlight=%28xgl%29
[02:38] <chavo> klerfayt, I used kdm to start XGL
[02:40] <chavo> klerfayt, kdm will start the XGL server, from there it doesn't matter which session you choose
[02:41] <klerfayt> imo https://wiki.kubuntu.org/XglHowto?highlight=%28xgl%29 is still not for kde
[02:42] <chavo> klerfayt, using that method just substitute startkde for gnome-session
[02:42] <Bilford> how do I edit files in www
[02:43] <Bilford> I opened Konqueror with kdesu konqueror
[02:43] <Bilford> but when I click on a file to edit, it says  Kate or KEdit cant be initiated
[02:43] <chavo> Bilford, why do you run konq as root?
[02:44] <Bilford> chavo, I dont know.  Im trying to edit files in www.  what's the best way
[02:44] <chavo> files in www?
[02:44] <Bilford> var/www
[02:44] <chavo> ok
[02:44] <chavo> just kdesu kate and the open the files from there
[02:45] <klerfayt> nothing happened :)
[02:45] <Bilford> when I do, the files look all weird
[02:45] <Bilford> but Im sure thats not the way to do thing like this
[02:45] <klerfayt> I think I'm doomed this time
[02:45] <chavo> klerfayt, is XGL server running
[02:45] <Bilford> editing www files would be a common thing
[02:45] <Bilford> oh
[02:45] <chavo> Bilford, sure it is
[02:46] <Bilford> I'll just delete that folder as root
[02:46] <Bilford> and remake it as the normal user
[02:46] <klerfayt> chavo: no it's not
[02:46] <imbrandon> umm just chmod it
[02:46] <chavo> but I took ownership of the www folder
[02:46] <Bilford> I mean yeah
[02:46] <chavo> It's all for local use only anyway
[02:47] <chavo> klerfayt, you use kdm?
[02:47] <klerfayt> chavo: yes
[02:47] <klerfayt> chavo: I'm not giving up yet
[02:47] <chavo> open up /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and go to line 58
[02:47] <chavo> should read -> ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X -br
[02:48] <Bilford> how do I chmod from root to user
[02:48] <chavo> now comment that line out and add this one under it -> ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl :0 -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo
[02:48] <Bilford> the comman
[02:48] <chavo> Bilford, you have to chown first
[02:48] <imbrandon> Bilford: man chmod
[02:48] <Pupeno> How do I find out the MAC address of my wireless card adapter ?
[02:48] <Bilford> man chmod www/ -R  ?
[02:49] <Bilford> where does it change user?
[02:49] <chavo> Bilford, do you want to own them or just have write permissions
[02:49] <imbrandon> no man changemod is the manual
[02:49] <Bilford> own
[02:49] <Bilford> oh
[02:49] <Bilford> ok
[02:49] <Bilford> I'll read that
[02:49] <chavo> then you'll want to use chown
[02:49] <imbrandon> chown and chmod are your friends
[02:49] <Bilford> ok ty
[02:50] <imbrandon> type "man <command>" to learn abouyt a command
[02:50] <chavo> or you can change the directory in apache config to one you own
[02:51] <chavo> you can use konq too, type man:chmod in the addressbar
[02:51] <chavo> much prettier :)
[02:52] <Bilford> sudo chown USERNAME www -R
[02:54] <klerfayt> chavo: I get it running but it's still half broken
[02:54] <klerfayt> chavo: panel is froxen
[02:54] <klerfayt> chavo: *frozen
[02:54] <chavo> klerfayt, did you do dist-upgrade lately?
[02:55] <klerfayt> chavo: I'm using latest dapper
[02:55] <klerfayt> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":0.0"
[02:55] <chavo> klerfayt, latest as in dist-upgraded today?
[02:55] <klerfayt> chavo: no installed from cd
[02:56] <klerfayt> chavo: it's updated
[02:56] <chavo> ok because I had problems and upgraded a couple of hours ago and all is well
[02:57] <chavo> but like I said I used quinstorm repos
[02:57] <chavo> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ dapper main
[02:57] <chavo> deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[02:58] <chavo> I haven't tried the official ones lately so I don't know if they're broken
[03:07] <klerfayt> chavo: quinstrom repos?
[03:12] <konold> hi
[03:13] <munzir> goldenear: hi
[03:14] <goldenear> hi munzir
[03:14] <konold> does anyone use pinentry-qt and kmail?
[03:15] <chavo> klerfayt, you still here?
[03:15] <klerfayt> chavo: yes
[03:16] <chavo> well I can tell you which repos to add
[03:16] <klerfayt> chavo: I got them
[03:16] <chavo> ok these?
[03:16] <chavo> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ dapper main
[03:16] <chavo> deb http://xgl.compiz.info/ dapper main
[03:16] <chavo> so you have compiz_0.0.10-0ubuntu14?
[03:17] <klerfayt> chavo: I'm doing adept_update
[03:17] <chavo> ok
[03:20] <chavo> klerfayt, you were able to start the XGL server right?
[03:20] <klerfayt> chavo: yes but kicker freezed
[03:21] <chavo> before you tried to run compiz?
[03:21] <klerfayt> chavo: I had it running, just kde was half broken
[03:21] <chavo> ok
[03:22] <chavo> how did you start compiz?
[03:22] <klerfayt> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077
[03:22] <chavo> you made the script called thefuture?
[03:22] <klerfayt> chavo: umm. no
[03:23] <chavo> ok
[03:23] <frood> Does anyone know how I can type extended ascii characters in linux? Our Windows domain uses them in the domain password for the administrative accounts and I can't connect to the admin shares without them.
[03:23] <klerfayt> chavo: I'll try with -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo
[03:25] <chavo> only one bug for me right now, no apps showing up in kde taskbar
[03:25] <klerfayt> chavo: what's in your /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  ServerCmd=
[03:25] <chavo> ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl :0 -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo
[03:26] <klerfayt> chavo: is ":0 -fullscreen -ac"  needed?
[03:26] <chavo> yes afaik, works for me
[03:27] <klerfayt> chavo: what if "accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo" ?
[03:27] <chavo> klerfayt, I think it'll work without them just very slowly
[03:29] <klerfayt> chavo: and what's in you ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[03:30] <chavo> I have a desktop file that starts compiz & gnome-window-decorator
[03:43] <jorik> is there something i can do to free up some space in ubuntu ? it's taking up 11G right now, 6G is in my home directory but i have no clue where the rest might have gone too.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> jorik: sudo aptitude clean
[03:45] <jorik> Hobbsee, how much do you think that will clean ?
[03:45] <jorik> thing is
[03:45] <Hobbsee> jorik: i dont know - however much you have in /var/cache/apt/archives.
[03:46] <jorik> hmmm ... 1G
[03:47] <Hobbsee> that's a start then...
[03:48] <jorik> thing is ... i want to be able to copy dvd's on kubuntu. I have 1.9G free right now. But it got me thinking ... i have some free space on my windows partition, could i use that one ?
[03:49] <jorik> or is NTFS still dangerous to mount rw ?
[03:49] <DeadS0ul> NTFS is still dangerous to mount as rw
[03:50] <jorik> damnit
[03:50] <DeadS0ul> but some people use fuse to mount it using the windows ntfs driver which is fairly safe from what i hear
[03:50] <jorik> hmmm that doesnt sound like something id just set up in an afternoon
[03:50] <Hobbsee> or captivefs - but none of them are likely to be safe
[03:51] <jorik> I think im just gonna tighten the belt till i can buy a new -much much much bigger- HD
[03:51] <gronbaek> how good is ext3 or reiserfs support in windows?
[03:51] <DeadS0ul> gronbaek: read only and ...it's meh lol
[03:51] <gronbaek> if u still can't use ntfs the other way around
[03:52] <gronbaek> so it's either one OS or FAT...
[03:53] <jorik> i have a windows program to read from ntfs, i have yet to have problems with it, it seems very stable
[03:54] <kosh> it is amazingly how bad microsoft butchered filesystem support
[03:54] <DeadS0ul> what do you mean?
[03:54] <kosh> the original codebase that nt is based on (os/2) has very good filesystem support
[03:54] <DeadS0ul> how'd they butcher fs support?
[03:55] <kosh> DeadS0ul: it is a pain in the neck to support other filesystems in windows
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> ah
[03:55] <jorik> the neck ?
[03:55] <kosh> DeadS0ul: you know how basically it supports squat filesystems and there are almost no drivers for it to support any others
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> yeah the neck =P
[03:55] <kosh> jorik: better then naming other places
[03:56] <jorik> lol first time i've heard that one... is that "real" english ?
[03:56] <DeadS0ul> kosh: I read bout this on the ext3 windows driver, all the features must be coded in the driver it self, it doesn't have anythign like vfs
[03:56] <mhterres> morning
[03:56] <DeadS0ul> Jorik yeah, the kind that parents use
[03:56] <DeadS0ul> like spiffy!
[03:56] <jorik> lol
[03:56] <jorik> cool
[03:57] <kosh> DeadS0ul: however the nt driver model originally came from os/2 which had a pretty easy way to add that kind of stuff
[03:57] <kosh> DeadS0ul: however that was changed during nt 3.5 I think
[03:58] <hatred-> I seem to be banned from ubuntu.. could someone please do me a favour and tell them they are gay ?
[03:59] <kosh> hatred-: umm would you like to get banned from here also?
[03:59] <kosh> hatred-: that just seems like a very 5 year old thing to do
[03:59] <hatred-> hmm.. sure
[04:00] <kosh> well if you managed to get banned from ubunta I am sure you can manage it here also I just don't see why that is your goal
[04:00] <hatred-> I'm bored
[04:01] <chavo> hatred-, grow up quit calling people childish names and you won't get banned
[04:01] <hatred-> I don't care if I get banned
[04:01] <chavo> !hug hatred
[04:01] <ubotu> chavo: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:01] <chavo> everyone give hatred a hug
[04:01] <kosh> what kinds of things where you saying to them which got you banned, usually you have to be very offensive
[04:02] <hatred-> hmm
[04:02] <hatred-> I can't really remember
[04:03] <hatred-> stop it
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hatred-: with that attitude, you certainly wont get unbanned in #ubuntu
[04:04] <hatred-> I don't want to be unbanned
[04:04] <hatred-> I don't use debian/debian based systems
[04:04] <hatred-> so why would I care
[04:05] <Hobbsee> hatred-: why are you here?
[04:05] <hatred-> to find the meaning of life
[04:05] <Hobbsee> 42
[04:06] <RadiantFire> i thought it was 47
[04:06] <kosh> and the question is what do you get if you multiple 6 by 9 which it actually mathematically correct :)
[04:06] <kosh> it just says how weird our universe is
[04:06] <Hobbsee> true
[04:06] <chavo> everyone go to #42
[04:06] <apokryphos> katapult can now do calculations ;-)
[04:07] <hatred-> I think FreeBSD rules. I hope everybody else in here agrees
[04:07] <kosh> so Hobbsee what base is the universe?
[04:07] <apokryphos> what base?
[04:07] <kosh> FreeBSD is another os, it neither rules or sucks
[04:07] <Hobbsee> kosh: 27.
[04:07] <hatred-> it rules.
[04:07] <OdyX> kosh: base 13
[04:07] <mornfall|vie> fun here? do tell
[04:07] <chavo> yes FreeBSD rules your Moms basement hatred
[04:07] <RadiantFire> FreeBSD is a very impressive OS
[04:07] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: exactly :D
[04:07] <kosh> apokryphos: you can do mathematics in many number bases, most use base 10 but 6*9=42 in base 13
[04:07] <kosh> OdyX: correct
[04:07] <hatred-> freebsd is the shit
[04:08] <kosh> well I can see why hatred- can banned
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hatred-: quit flaming, and being otherwise immature.
[04:08] <kosh> s/can/go
[04:08] <RadiantFire> apparently
[04:08] <mornfall|vie> lalala
[04:08] <hatred-> why ?
[04:08] <OdyX> kosh: reading WikiPedia is sometimes useful
[04:08] <OdyX> :D
[04:08] <RadiantFire> we should all be happy :)
[04:08] <kosh> OdyX: hehe
[04:08] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: don't ban him yet, let's have fun with troll ;)
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hatred-: because it's against the COC.
[04:08] <RadiantFire> is base 13 useful for anything?
[04:08] <kosh> actually every os pretty much sucks
[04:08] <hatred-> what's "COC" ?
[04:08] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: don't think CoC is ground for banning though
[04:09] <mornfall|vie> code of conduct
[04:09] <Riddell> mornfall|vie: certainly is
[04:09] <kosh> RadiantFire: for some types of astrophysics
[04:09] <OdyX> RadiantFire: base 13 is the base in which the 42-tip works
[04:09] <apokryphos> guys, #kubuntu-offtopic is the place for general chatter
[04:09] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: sure it is.
[04:09] <OdyX> wp:42 everybody
[04:09] <mornfall|vie> huh?
[04:09] <mornfall|vie> i have to read it
[04:09] <hatred-> why don't you want to admit freebsd rules ?
[04:09] <apokryphos> mornfall|vie: we generally ask members to abide by it. It's mostly just common sense.
[04:09] <kosh> I have not seen a good os yet, however debian based systems are pretty good and ubuntu is definitely a pretty good one
[04:09] <mornfall|vie> apokryphos: that's why i don't like that not following CoC can be used as excuse for ban
[04:09] <OdyX> hatred-: this is no FreeBSD chan
[04:09] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: afaik, COC applies in all ubuntu channels, i thought...
[04:09] <mornfall|vie> i definitely don't follow CoC
[04:10] <Hobbsee> thought that was in these definitions
[04:10] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: you dont?
[04:10] <mornfall|vie> because i haven't even read it
[04:10] <OdyX> mornfall|vie: you should
[04:10] <mornfall|vie> so i can't
[04:10] <hatred-> ubuntu is for noobies
[04:10] <apokryphos> mornfall|vie: it's never an excuse; it's more-or-less synonymous with common-sense. For those who don't know though we just link to it
[04:10] <OdyX> hatred-: no, not only
[04:10] <mornfall|vie> hatred-: you are being obnoxious
[04:10] <OdyX> hatred-: ubuntu is for noobies TOO
[04:10] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: sure, yes.
[04:10] <hatred-> yes it is
[04:10] <OdyX> hatred-: explain.
[04:10] <apokryphos> mornfall|vie: /msg ubotu coc
[04:10] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: you can ban him now :-)
[04:10] <kosh> hatred-: I have been using linux for about 10 years now, I started with slackware and I used unixes before that, however I currently use ubuntu and I write database apps
[04:10] <hatred-> it's gui centered. the end
[04:10] <OdyX> hatred-: can't you do admin/compilation/packaging/hacking stuff on Ubuntu ?
[04:10] <mornfall|vie> hatred-: you are teh lame
[04:11] <OdyX> hatred-: and so what ?
[04:11] <kosh> hatred-: ubuntu is not more gui centered then slackware is or anything else
[04:11] <hatred-> mornfall|vie: you are teh gay
[04:11] <mornfall|vie> hatred-: i like when people have no damn clue what they talk about
[04:11] <hatred-> kosh: yes it is.
[04:11] <mornfall|vie> yay!
[04:11] <chavo> hatred-, you ar so right man, how could I have been so blind!
[04:11] <hatred-> mornfall|vie: narcissist
[04:11] <hatred-> chavo: dunno
[04:11] <mornfall|vie> hatred-: yes, i am gay (= happy), well, not right now, but usually
[04:11] <kosh> hatred-: it has very good postgres and zope packages for example, the debian based zope packages do full tracking of products, handle the db restarts, upgrades, zeo dependencies etc
[04:11] <mornfall|vie> hatred-: or at least sometimes
[04:11] <hatred-> that's not what I meant by gay
[04:11] <hatred-> and what *I* meant is what matters
[04:11] <mornfall|vie> hatred-: what did you mean?
[04:12] <mornfall|vie> fun fun
[04:12] <kosh> hatred-: and debian based postgres packages are among the best anywhere and where some of the first to include an autovacuum daemon
[04:12] <hatred-> take a dictionary
[04:12] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:12] <ubotu> methinks kofftopic is Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:12] <kosh> hatred-: that is for serious db stuff
[04:12] <chavo> hatred-, I am a gay, noobie, narcissist. does this mean you don't like me anymore?
[04:12] <chavo> You won't be my friend?
[04:12] <chavo> oh
[04:12] <chavo>  he's gone
[04:12] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: bets when he's back? :)
[04:12] <OdyX> chavo: he "left"
[04:12] <mornfall|vie> I WIN
[04:13] <chavo> hatred-, will you be my friend, you are so cool?
[04:13] <_pocket> chavo pas cher tous ca
[04:13] <kosh> actually I am happy that kubuntu recently added zope 2.9.2 packages and they are working well
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bah.  my remove didnt work!
[04:13] <chavo> ne parlez francais
[04:14] <mornfall|vie> and there, another one sent to hell with a burning footprint of Hobbsee's steel capped op boots on his ass
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:14] <kosh> my only current problem with kubuntu dapper is some weird issues related to opening konquerors from the icons, probably related to my custom setup but still working on it
[04:14] <kosh> sometimes it will open a konqueror window with no url bar
[04:15] <goldenear> _pocket: you're not on kubuntu-fr :) chavo n'est pas franais
[04:15] <kosh> however alt-f2 konqueror always works so it is strange
[04:15] <Hobbsee> mornfall|vie: these steel capped boots are useful, you know
[04:15] <kosh> Hobbsee: at least we know why he was banned from the other channel
[04:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, well i suspected that after the first line...
[04:16] <mornfall|vie> Hobbsee: i wear steel-capped boots (not now, but when it's not too hot)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:17] <mornfall|vie> they are useful, but you need be careful not to step on other people's feet
[04:17] <kosh> personally I prefer planet killers
[04:17] <mornfall|vie> unless you hate those people
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:17] <Hobbsee> well..
[04:17] <kosh> planet killers make a much better long term solutions to problems
[04:17] <kosh> those that say you can't solve problems with violence just never tried enough :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:18] <mornfall|vie> kosh: that's mean
[04:18] <kosh> effective though :)
[04:19] <kosh> imagine this scenario, which is more likely to create peace in the middle east? 1) lots of small actions, negotiations, etc or carpet bombing the entire place with nukes?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> kosh: now that's definetly offtopic...
[04:19] <kosh> yup was just making a silly point
[04:20] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:20] <kosh> however about the best way to fix windows boxes is to release a destructive virus? something that actually wiped out about 99% of all windows boxes and more then a few viruses have gotten that kind of penetration within < 8 hours
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:20] <kosh> that way people would switch to something better
[04:21] <kosh> this chipping away with annoying viruses does squat, we need one that jsut formats every windows box
[04:21] <h3sp4wn> Is anyone interested in writing a kde virus generation program ? (i.e viruses of the type that infect humans not computers - biological design)
[04:22] <kosh> hmm actually no
[04:22] <kosh> mostly I am interesting in writing better zope code
[04:23] <kosh> I need to rewrite some of my code to work better in a lazy fashion
[04:28] <ricardo> how to install swat under kubuntu 5.10
[04:28] <ricardo> how to install swat under kubuntu 5.10??
[04:28] <chx> hi. I can't get my microphone loud enough -- no matter what I change in KMix, it sounds the same low in Skype :(
[04:29] <h3sp4wn> chx: Are you sure you are not plugging it into a line in (as apposed to a mic input)
[04:29] <RadiantFire> wee, my laptop is here :)
[04:30] <RadiantFire> I'm sure I will soon have questions to ask :)
[04:30] <Bernardo> hi
[04:30] <chx> h3sp4wn: hmmmm
[04:30] <ricardo> how to install swat under kubuntu 5.10??
[04:32] <chx> h3sp4wn: according to the motherboard manual the pink connector is a Mic In
[04:32] <chx> h3sp4wn: the Light Blue is Line in. I may wear glasses but I truly hope I can distinguish between pink and blue :D
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> chx: run alsamixer from the console
[04:36] <chx> h3sp4wn: konsole won't do? i do not run artsd
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> konsole will do
[04:38] <ricardo> how to install swat under kubuntu 5.10??
[04:38] <Bernardo> sudo apt-get install swat?
[04:38] <chx> h3sp4wn: not much success :( same low
[04:39] <Paradosso> hi, where can I get the unrar-nonfree package?
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> multiverse
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> or www.rarlab.com
[04:41] <Paradosso> I have multiverse enabled h3sp4wn, but can't get the unrar-nonfree!
[04:41] <eeos> hi there!
[04:41] <HymnToLife> !info unrar-nonfree
[04:41] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[04:41] <HymnToLife> Paradosso> could you pastebin your sources.list ?
[04:41] <eeos> is Kubuntu 6.06 LTS available on the website the final version?
[04:42] <h3sp4wn> Its called just unrar in dapper
[04:42] <chx> eeos: can't be
[04:42] <HymnToLife> !dapper
[04:42] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until than
[04:42] <chx> eeos: June 1 is the day Dapper Drake flies
[04:42] <eeos> chriswk: why?
[04:42] <eeos> chx: wy?
[04:42] <chx> it's not out yet!
[04:42] <eeos> chx: :-(
[04:43] <jager> where can i get an iso for dapper?
[04:43] <chx> eeos: come on it's just a week. and the beta is usuable. but this is offtopic
[04:44] <eeos> chx: why offtopic?
[04:44] <HymnToLife> because dapper discussion is on #ubuntu+1 until June 1st
[04:44] <Paradosso> HymnToLife, http://pastebin.ca/58382
[04:44] <Paradosso> here's my sources.list
[04:44] <ricardo> sudo apt-get install swat (package swat not found)
[04:45] <eeos> ok, thanks
[04:45] <HymnToLife> Paradosso> try removing the ' 's at the beginning of lines
[04:45] <Paradosso> ok
[04:47] <Paradosso> HymnToLife, still can't see unrar-nonfree
[04:48] <apokryphos> you haven't enabled multiverse
[04:48] <apokryphos> !info unrar-nonfree
[04:48] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[04:49] <Paradosso> apokryphos, my sources.list is http://pastebin.ca/58382, I think multiverse is enabled
[04:49] <HymnToLife> Paradosso> thats weird, well you can still download the DEB I guess
[04:49] <Paradosso> that's what I am doing actually
[04:50] <apokryphos> Paradosso: no, it's not enabled.
[04:50] <apokryphos> Paradosso: add "multiverse" to every line there that has "universe"
[04:50] <apokryphos> then sudo apt-get update
[04:51] <Paradosso> you were right apokryphos
[04:53] <eeos> I am new to ubuntu. I was thinking to migrate my office computers to it as soon as Dapper Drake is out. How patched is the kernel? is it easy to recompile the kernel adding new packages (for example alsa 1.0.11).
[04:54] <eeos> ?
[04:55] <OdyX> eeos: "new to Ubuntu", means "new to Linux"  ? Where are you from (distro) ?
[04:55] <OdyX> and for what particular purpose would you need to recompilie your kernels ?
[04:57] <eeos> OdyX: no, it does not mean I am new to linux, just to kubuntu
[04:58] <eeos> OdyX: I need alsa 1.0.11
[04:58] <OdyX> what for ?
[04:58] <eeos> 1.0.11 support ha modems
[04:58] <eeos> s/ha/hda
[04:58] <OdyX> As Far As I know, Ubuntu kernels ar Vanilla's with Patches. Both can be obtained in packages.
[04:59] <OdyX> eeos: is there a way for me to see my version of alsa ?
[04:59] <eeos> right. so the patches can be applied to any kernel?
[04:59] <OdyX> well. Probably not.
[05:00] <eeos> OdyX: yes you can see your alsa version, but is not that easy ( :-( )
[05:00] <OdyX> eeos: I have time
[05:01] <eeos> well, if you kept everything including tools at the same version
[05:01] <eeos> just try
[05:01] <eeos> aplay --version
[05:01] <eeos> what is the result?
[05:01] <OdyX> aplay: version 1.0.10 by Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
[05:01] <eeos> ok
[05:01] <eeos> so you are running the beta of dapper?
[05:02] <eeos> then we know it is 1.0.10
[05:02] <OdyX> Yep.
[05:02] <OdyX> Exact
[05:02] <eeos> if you change the drivers but not the tools
[05:03] <eeos> then it is a bit more complicated
[05:05] <eeos> you can check the boot sequence, when it starts up alsa it should declare the version
[05:05] <eeos> also you can check the package name, usually contains the version
[05:06] <eeos> OdyX: is that ok?
[05:07] <OdyX> ?
[05:13] <eeos> OdyX: you asked how to identify alsa?
[05:13] <OdyX> well... I don't know what YOU are looking for...
[05:14] <eeos> OdyX: I kow how to identify the version of alsa. On the computer I have here is alsa 1.0.11 :-D
[05:15] <OdyX> well. Here it is 1.0.10
[05:15] <OdyX> .D
[05:15] <eeos> OdyX: but I want to migrate to Kubuntu, so I need to know how patched is the kernel, how easy is to recompile with alsa upgrades
[05:16] <OdyX> well.. I don't recompile my kernels... It should not be hard. I did once, it just worked.
[05:16] <eeos> ok
[05:16] <eeos> do you know where to find the list of patches that kubuntu applied to the vanialla kernel?
[05:18] <pm> i've installed dapper beta, will it automatically upgrade to the stable version on the first of july?
[05:19] <kosh> yes and no
[05:19] <theripper> can somone help me install driver with ndiswrapper?
[05:19] <kosh> it won't do it all on its own, however if you use adept, apt-get dist-upgrade etc to do upgrades it will just become that version
[05:19] <kosh> so as long as you are doing updates normally it will be all right, however if you don't do any updates at all then no it won't change from what is installed now
[05:20] <chuso> hi all! :)
[05:20] <chuso> first of all, sorry for my English
[05:20] <chuso> i have just changed "breezy" for "dapper" on my sources.list, so i did a aptitude udate ; aptitude upgrade ; aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:21] <pm> kosh: won't apt-get upgrade be enough?
[05:21] <chuso> but the dist-upgrade returns me dependencies problems
[05:22] <chuso> gdk-imlib1-dev and gdk-imlib11-dev
[05:24] <chuso> does anybody know how could I fix it?
[05:26] <Prak> is nixternal here?
[05:27] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:33] <ricardo> again, i need to install swat somebody knows if swat comes with kubuntu 5.10???
[05:33] <sonic> Hi there, anyone know how to unlocck a M$ access db file?
[05:34] <nixternal> hey Prak
[05:35] <ricardo> adept says that the package consits blah vlah vlah ..... swat blah blah blah, but swat it's not installed
[05:35] <theripper> can somone help me install driver with ndiswrapper?
[05:36] <HymnToLife> !ndiswrapper
[05:36] <ubotu> somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[05:37] <corey> anyone here use kbear?
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/breezy/net/swat its in breezy universe either you don't have the repos enabled or you are lying that it doesn't work
[05:38] <h3sp4wn> Remember to use swat you need to enable a root password which will break alot of things
[05:39] <ricardo> universe, will check
[05:39] <konold> h3sp4wn: can you provide an example of what will be broken?
[05:40] <ltibor65> Hi Guys! Please, help me! How can I fix the broken packages?
[05:40] <corey> noone uses kbear?
[05:42] <h3sp4wn> [16:37]  <h3sp4wn> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/breezy/net/swat its in breezy universe either you don't have the repos enabled or you are lying that it doesn't work
[05:42] <h3sp4wn> konold: Things that are based upon using sudo maybe not everything or even anything you may notice but people have alot of problems doing that sort of stuff (probably not if you are not using any gui apps)
[05:43] <ricardo> that sour don't appear in adept, a add, but how to enable universe
[05:44] <John-Z> Ricardo, what's your question?
[05:46] <h3sp4wn> !universe
[05:46] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[05:47] <corey> im suprised here noone uses kbear
[05:48] <corey> i cant figure out something simple
[05:48] <corey> and apparently the sourceforge site that has the manual is down ;o
[05:52] <macd> !easysource
[05:52] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:52] <macd> lost my bookmark.
[05:53] <corey> ;P
[05:54] <corey> http://kbear.sourceforge.net/ thats getting an sql error for yall isnt it?
[05:55] <chavo> corey, yes
[05:55] <corey> weird
[05:55] <macd> Has anyone else had a error with apt-get update, some of the repos are reporting http-301 err
[05:56] <corey> im trying to get khelpcenter and im getting a perm moved error
[05:56] <corey> so i think somethings funky
[05:56] <nixternal> ya..looks like some of the repository servers are takin' a nap
[05:56] <ricardo> ok adding repositories shows swat as BROKEN
[05:56] <Prak> nixternal, i gotta go
[05:57] <nixternal> same erros here
[05:57] <nixternal> k Prak
[05:57] <Prak> ttyl about that problem
[05:57] <nixternal> k
[05:59] <nixternal> nice
[05:59] <macd> Is it just the US repos, does anyone else use another countrys mirrors?
[06:00] <Skipster> can kubutu be installed on the same drrive as windows
[06:00] <corey> yes
[06:01] <Skipster> may i ask how
[06:01] <corey> two partitions
[06:01] <ricardo> first install windows, the repartition disk
[06:01] <uwo> hi all. having problems unmounting ipod: "umount: /mnt/ipod: device is busy", although i am not using it (gtkpod closed and amarok not connected)
[06:01] <Skipster> ok great, would you know where i can fing the documentation for it
[06:02] <corey> dunno theres numerous sites on dual booting
[06:02] <corey> just install windows form scratch but dont make the partition full size of disk only make it as much as you need
[06:02] <Skipster> i'll just google Dual Botting then, thanks
[06:02] <corey> then just install kubuntu and during install you can tell it to only take up free space
[06:02] <corey> its not hard
[06:02] <macd> pg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[06:02] <macd> opps
[06:02] <macd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[06:03] <corey> hrmm kbear crashes when i try and download a file ;[
[06:03] <ricardo> enablig universe and multiverse showa swat as BROKEN???
[06:03] <corey> servers are down
[06:04] <nixternal> ..
[06:05] <xwolf-> any suggestions on a good torrent client? azureus is slow as hell
[06:06] <troy> xwolf-: bittorrent.py :)
[06:06] <nixternal> ktorrent
[06:07] <nixternal> ktorrent is a clone to utorrent from the way it looks and acts...plus it is fast
[06:07] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install ktorrent
[06:08] <troy> or if you're on dapper, it's already there (at least in my case)
[06:08] <nixternal> true
[06:08] <nixternal> same here
[06:08] <theripper> ok , i get an error when sudo ndiswrappper "on line 135" which is coulnt copy .inf , why would it not be able to copy it ?
[06:09] <xwolf-> ok ktorrent i can apt-get, what about the other one you said troy ?
[06:10] <troy> xwolf-: that's the official bittorrent client, you can apt-get that one too :)
[06:13] <charon> hi evrybody
[06:14] <nixternal> hey charon
[06:14] <Skipster> bittorrent
[06:15] <aseigo> aaah!
[06:15] <aseigo> Err http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Packages
[06:15] <aseigo>   301 Moved Permanently
[06:15] <aseigo> ok, that can't be good... =/
[06:15] <charon> i am looking for a tip in making tightvncserver work with amd64 dapper. Anybody got expirience with that ?
[06:17] <corey> aseigo: servers are funked right now
[06:17] <NthDegree> aseigo
[06:17] <aseigo> evidently =)
[06:18] <NthDegree> there is no problem with moved permanently
[06:18] <NthDegree> it should have a link to where it's been moved to
[06:18] <troy> aseigo: mine are working fine... want my sources.list?
[06:18] <aseigo> NthDegree: this is when doing an apt-get update =/ and it just fails...
[06:19] <charon> hmm guess not
[06:19] <charon> Anbody has a tip on a good alternate vnc server ?
[06:20] <aseigo> troy: thanks.. but it's ok, i just switched off the .ca mirror
[06:21] <troy> aseigo: okay, no problem :)
[06:22] <troy> aseigo: how long have you been using *ubuntu anyway? thought you were always an RPM person...
[06:22] <aseigo> oh, i swing both ways
[06:23] <aseigo> i have been using suse as my primary desktop system for a number of years however
[06:23] <aseigo> that changed this year, but i still have one box with suse on it
[06:24] <nixternal> 1 full second of lag on irc ownz
[06:24] <nixternal> it tends to look like i am only getting like 5fps
[06:24] <nixternal> great stuff
[06:24] <troy> nixternal: weird, I'm at 91ms lag right now :P
[06:25] <macd> nixternal: get of that t0r network :P
[06:25] <nixternal> i am to now...96ms
[06:25] <nixternal> haha
[06:25] <nixternal> muhahah
[06:25] <nixternal> t0r ownz j00
[06:25] <nixternal> ;D
[06:25] <macd> more like it gets people owned
[06:25] <macd> :P
[06:25] <nixternal> im doing a http flash of solaris 10..but that shouldn't take that much
[06:26] <nixternal> 2400MBytes remaining
[06:26] <nixternal> it is quiet in here today
[06:32] <RadiantFire> so I have a question
[06:32] <nixternal> and that question is?
[06:32] <RadiantFire> I'm trying to install on a Dell Inspiron E1405
[06:32] <RadiantFire> and the wireless is being silly
[06:32] <nixternal> what card is in it?
[06:32] <RadiantFire> ndiswrapper -l lists hardware present, but I don't have a wireless interface
[06:33] <RadiantFire> Dell 1390
[06:33] <nixternal> if you do iwconfig all  you see is lo and eth0?
[06:33] <RadiantFire> yep
[06:33] <RadiantFire> i've read I need to use fn-f2 software switch
[06:33] <nixternal> like you...my wlan = eth0
[06:33] <RadiantFire> and the f2 key has a lil wireless dower
[06:34] <RadiantFire> mmm, I'm on the box right now
[06:34] <RadiantFire> I have  an ethernet jack plugged into it right now
[06:34] <nixternal> i set my wireless up right through my eth0
[06:34] <uwo> i don't really understand this mount/umount thing - why does my ipod sometimes want to mount to sda2 and sometimes to sdb2 (even sdc2...); in fstab i only have sda2 for it, so it is a hassle when it "chooses" something else
[06:34] <RadiantFire> iwconfig says eth0 has no wireless extensions
[06:34] <nixternal> my problem has been with setting up and wep and what not...i dont' use ndiswrapper cuz i have an orinoco card
[06:35] <RadiantFire> mmm
[06:35] <nixternal> let me boot up my lappy real quick to take a look
[06:35] <RadiantFire> ndiswrapper wiki lists this card as flawless
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> uwo,  im not sure you really want a fstab entry for that thing.
[06:35] <RadiantFire> and its a broadcom chipset bcmwl5
[06:35] <uwo> Dr_Willis: on breezy? i read on forums i need one...
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> uwo,  on dapper here. so cant tell ya.
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> Its getting to be a "user friendlyness fighting with users-that-know-how-to-do-things" issue. :P
[06:37] <uwo> Dr_Willis: am still on breezy - without the fstab entry it doesn't mount at all
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> uwo,  10 days.. dapper will be out. :P
[06:38] <uwo> :)
[06:39] <nixternal> ya...see i don't use ndiswrapper...iwconfig shows my wireless card as eth0
[06:39] <nixternal> i have never had it as wlan0 or anything like it should either
[06:39] <nixternal> plus...every time i try to use wep...i can't get it to connect
[06:39] <RadiantFire> i'm convinced its a software switch thing
[06:40] <nixternal> it very well could be
[06:40] <RadiantFire> because bcmwl5 lists the hardware present
[06:40] <uwo> Dr_Willis: can you tell me one thing - i am going to try dapper as soon as it comes out, because i have heard of several good improvements. i am still a bit scared that some things won't work (wireless, ?ipod?, ?palm?), so i would like to create a backup of my breezy so i can fall back. is it enough to copy the whole system to external drive and then just to copy back (using a live cd if it is the only way to start the computer? (am not dualbooting)
[06:40] <nixternal> the boadcom card should have been picked up from the get go...odd that it doesn't autoconfigure and give you a connection either
[06:40] <nixternal> i have always read that the broadcom cards were picked up
[06:40] <RadiantFire> broadcom works without ndiswrapper?
[06:40] <RadiantFire> lemme rmmod ndiswrapper and see if anything happens
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> uwo,   i just use 2 hard drives with dirrenet disrtos on each one.
[06:41] <nixternal> my card was picked up..and ubuntu/kubuntu is the only one to not install mine with ndiswrapper
[06:41] <MetaMorfoziS> hey anybody knwos why said it all when i start kdm:
[06:41] <nixternal> hey RadiantFire...have you check out the wlan-ng website to see if it lists your card?
[06:41] <MetaMorfoziS> May 23 18:30:03 sajtosteszta kdm_greet[5182] : Can't open default user face
[06:41] <MetaMorfoziS> May 23 18:30:22 sajtosteszta kdm_greet[5182] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[06:41] <MetaMorfoziS> tihsis why it satrts after nvidia logoo only 40seconds
[06:42] <uwo> Dr_Willis: unfortunately can't afford that, am on laptop with limited space...
[06:42] <nixternal> MetaMorfoziS: that is the same with a lot of people
[06:42] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[06:42] <MetaMorfoziS> i found on google
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> uwo,  good luck then is all ya can hope for.
[06:42] <nixternal> mien does it to..even after a default setup at times
[06:42] <MetaMorfoziS> some topics and psots, but i can'T find any solution
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> uwo,  i tend to use mondo/mindi to backup my systems
[06:42] <nixternal> i haven't found one either
[06:42] <MetaMorfoziS> so, no solution?
[06:42] <nixternal> i had read someone say it is due to the theme...but that can't be true if i am using a default kde theme
[06:42] <MetaMorfoziS> if i try other loginscreen?
[06:42] <RadiantFire> nixternal: that would be a negative
[06:42] <nixternal> hmmm
[06:43] <MetaMorfoziS> yes...
[06:43] <MetaMorfoziS> i readed that post^^
[06:43] <uwo> Dr_Willis: thnx for hint, am sure it will be ok in the long run, its only the first 2 weeks that are risky (before the forums fill up)
[06:43] <MetaMorfoziS> but i try out it.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> ive not heard of any dapper issues with that stuff.. but theres always issues with everything.
[06:44] <nixternal> ummm...wlan has hardware compatibility update - feb 1, 2004
[06:44] <nixternal> wth
[06:44] <nixternal> i hate when someone grabs a url that is exactly like the real one and messes it all up
[06:45] <RadiantFire> that no good
[06:46] <RadiantFire> nixternal: ima brb
[06:46] <nixternal> k
[06:46] <RadiantFire> see if a reboot fixes anything
[06:46] <RadiantFire> maybe I will hold down fn-f2 du ring boot and see if that does anhthing
[06:46] <nixternal> hey
[06:46] <nixternal> do you hvae wep or wpa enabled?
[06:46] <RadiantFire> no
[06:46] <nixternal> how about ssid broadcast?
[06:46] <RadiantFire> yes
[06:47] <nixternal> is it enabled?
[06:47] <RadiantFire> enabled
[06:47] <nixternal> ok...so it is like setup default right now then...cool..best way to test wireless with linux...secure it once it works ;D
[06:47] <RadiantFire> yeah
[06:47] <nixternal> same here
[06:47] <nixternal> reboot see what happens
[06:47] <nixternal> im readin' up on your card
[06:50] <RadiantFire> well, I now seem to have a sit0 interface with no wireless extensions
[06:50] <nixternal> hmm
[06:50] <nixternal> ya...i have sit0..same thing
[06:51] <nixternal> so you have lo, eth0, and sit0...and all 3 say no wireless extensions?
[06:53] <RadiantFire> yep
[06:53] <nixternal> hmm
[06:53] <nixternal> is your card internal or pcmcia?
[06:53] <RadiantFire> internal
[06:53] <nixternal> grrr
[06:53] <RadiantFire> this is frustrating
[06:53] <nixternal> what does dmesg say?
[06:54] <RadiantFire> awww, crap
[06:54] <RadiantFire> unknown symbols
[06:54] <nixternal> lol
[06:54] <nixternal> unknown symbols
[06:54] <nixternal> wth is that all about/
[06:54] <RadiantFire> I have no idea
[06:55] <nixternal> that is what it says in dmesg
[06:55] <RadiantFire> ndiswrapper is saying unknown symbols
[06:55] <nixternal> oh
[06:55] <nixternal> hmmm
[06:55] <RadiantFire> sigh, I got this wireless card cuz everyone said it worked great...
[06:55] <RadiantFire> with ndiswraper
[06:55] <Seantater> which card?
[06:55] <RadiantFire> dell 1390
[06:56] <RadiantFire> i'm connected I'm gonna upgrade to the newer kernel, see if it fixes anything
[06:57] <Lynoure> Did latest update break anybody's wireless? I'm using knetworkmanager, which no longer seems to be able to configure the device
[06:57] <RadiantFire> lol
[06:57] <RadiantFire> thats entertaining
[06:58] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: What's  entertaining?
[06:58] <RadiantFire> I'm having a wireless problem...
[06:58] <nixternal> i just did latest update...but i don't use knetworkmanager
[06:58] <nixternal> let me look at mine and see what it does
[06:58] <nixternal> <-cmd line junky
[06:59] <Lynoure> nixternal :)
[06:59] <nixternal> word up homies...i dun even have it install....lemme get it really quick ;D
[07:00] <lbe> ?ff
[07:00] <nixternal> it is working on my lappy
[07:00] <Lynoure> knetworkmanager shows my network, but at signal strenght -1 (and the AP is 2 metres away, line of sight)
[07:01] <lbe> anyone got the URL to the page about installing firefox 1.5 on kubuntu
[07:01] <nixternal> are you talkin' knetworkmanager or kwirelessmanager?
[07:01] <nixternal> i don't see any signal strength thing in knetworkmanager
[07:01] <Lynoure> nixternal: knetworkmanager
[07:01] <nixternal> hmmm...
[07:01] <nixternal> i don't see any signal strenght indicators...i see 2 red exclamation points
[07:02] <Lynoure> nixternal: I couldn't get kwirelessmanager to do WPA for me, originally
[07:02] <nixternal> had to us wpa_supplicant?
[07:02] <Lynoure> nixternal: Oh, I have never seen exclamation points, I think
[07:02] <nixternal> ahh
[07:02] <nixternal> they are to red towers
[07:02] <nixternal> lol
[07:02] <Lynoure> nixternal: Yes, I do, I think...
[07:02] <nixternal> had to look closely
[07:03] <nixternal> i can't get wep or wpa to work on my lappy
[07:03] <nixternal> but i don't care...i have an open wireless network with mac filtering
[07:03] <RadiantFire> thats a good idea
[07:03] <nixternal> i only open it when when i use the lappy
[07:03] <Lynoure> nixternal: mac filtering is quite easy to circumvent...
[07:03] <RadiantFire> i should probably turn macfilter on in the router
[07:03] <nixternal> i use the lappy pretty much at starbucks only
[07:03] <Lynoure> nixternal: but, yes, doing that helps.
[07:03] <RadiantFire> yeah, but anyone who can spoof macfiltering can probably crack wep
[07:04] <RadiantFire> ...
[07:04] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: That's why I don't use WEP :)
[07:04] <nixternal> kismet picks up mac too doesn't it
[07:04] <nixternal> lol
[07:04] <RadiantFire> so, nixternal
[07:04] <nixternal> no wonder my lil war hax0r neighbor keeps buggin' me
[07:04] <RadiantFire> i reinstalled the driver with ndiswrapper
[07:04] <RadiantFire> and got all of these messages
[07:04] <nixternal> the symbol messages?
[07:04] <nixternal> unknown
[07:04] <RadiantFire> no
[07:05] <nixternal> something new?
[07:05] <RadiantFire> Forcing parameter IBSSGMode|0 to IBSSGMode|2
[07:05] <RadiantFire> like 8 times
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> nixternal: yes, it's true, not the login screen is the kdm_greet problem
[07:08] <nixternal> http://www.linuxforums.org/network/wlan_cards_and_linux.html
[07:08] <nixternal> check that out RadiantFire
[07:08] <nixternal> if yo haven't already
[07:08] <nixternal> it is your card and ndiswrapper setup
[07:08] <nixternal> your not the only one with the problem either
[07:09] <RadiantFire> really
[07:09] <RadiantFire> thhats exciting
[07:10] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:10] <nixternal> the downfall to ndiswrapper...it uses windows drivers
[07:11] <nixternal> "Perfect! If anything goes wrong here it will be because of problems between the version of ndiswrapper and the kernel."
[07:12] <RadiantFire> nixternal: so that guy who had the problem matches mine flawlesses
[07:12] <nixternal> and that was referring to ....   modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:12] <RadiantFire> are you suggesting I compile a new kernel and ndiswrapper?
[07:12] <nixternal> i don't think i would go that far just yet
[07:12] <nixternal> what kerne are you using?
[07:12] <nixternal> 2.6.16-23
[07:12] <nixternal> or whatever
[07:12] <RadiantFire> 2.6.15-21
[07:13] <nixternal> i was close ;D
[07:13] <RadiantFire> I'm updawting right no
[07:13] <RadiantFire> i installed off flight 7
[07:13] <RadiantFire> so I will reboot and try it with 686-smp-23
[07:13] <RadiantFire> when its done
[07:13] <RadiantFire> everything else works really well though :)
[07:13] <nixternal> hehe...i got lucky with my wireless
[07:13] <RadiantFire> wait do you have the same model laptop as I do?
[07:14] <nixternal> ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/nubuntu are the only distros to work with it though
[07:14] <RadiantFire> mmm, if I get desperate I can always whip out my gentoo CD, I bet it has newer kernel versions on it :)
[07:14] <RadiantFire> ok, done updating
[07:14] <RadiantFire> gonna see if it works with the nwe kernel
[07:14] <luksan> my font sizes went crazy after the latest upgraded
[07:15] <xwolf-> i want uTorrent running here ;/
[07:15] <nixternal> lol
[07:15] <nixternal> use ktorrent
[07:15] <xwolf-> ktorrent sucks bad. bittorrent also
[07:15] <nixternal> i use utorrent on winblows...and ktorrent on nix
[07:15] <nixternal> ktorrent rox for me
[07:16] <nixternal> i don't know about wine and utorrent
[07:16] <xwolf-> i only use torrent in linux to seed...
[07:16] <nixternal> ahh
[07:16] <xwolf-> i tried putting the damn torrent in ktorrent but couldnt do it
[07:17] <theripper> ok , i get an error when sudo ndiswrappper "on line 135" which is coulnt copy .inf , why would it not be able to copy it ?
[07:18] <xwolf-> azureus has force check, set folder and those things.. you can do it all. ktorrent doesnt (if it has, it's damn hidden)
[07:18] <xwolf-> problem is, it's gonna be hard to start azureus every time i turn on the pc and wait for it to check 4.5GB of a single torrent
[07:19] <nixternal> sudo ndiswrapper -i filename.INF
[07:19] <RadiantFire> bah
[07:19] <RadiantFire> still no joy
[07:19] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:19] <RadiantFire> I'm gonna do it the old fashioned way
[07:19] <RadiantFire> and compile ndiswrapper
[07:19] <cyberboy> could somebody please help me? I closed adept package manager wrong, but now it only opens in read mode so i can't install any thing
[07:19] <nixternal> you doin' ndiswrapper from the reposiory?
[07:19] <RadiantFire> yes
[07:19] <nixternal> nice spelling on that one
[07:19] <nixternal> lol
[07:19] <nixternal> ya..i read in the ubuntu forums when i was having issues...that some people had issues with the repository version
[07:19] <RadiantFire> I'm frustrated
[07:20] <RadiantFire> works great on my desktop
[07:20] <RadiantFire> I wonder why
[07:20] <RadiantFire> other question
[07:20] <RadiantFire> do you know how do enable the little media keys on the edge of the laptop?
[07:20] <aseigo> cyberboy: try running an apt command from the command line... e.g. apt-get update
[07:20] <seth> cyberboy, press CTRL + Escape
[07:20] <seth> then remove the hung process
[07:21] <nixternal> i can't say that i do RadiantFire
[07:21] <RadiantFire> oh well
[07:21] <nixternal> that link i gave you
[07:21] <RadiantFire> yeah?
[07:21] <nixternal> it has some guy on the bottom talking about it though
[07:21] <seth> cyberboy, you probably have a sleeping dpkg process hanging about :)
[07:21] <RadiantFire> yeh
[07:21] <RadiantFire> I know
[07:21] <nixternal> lain....he says the hot key will not switch it on...so obviously he is using it
[07:21] <RadiantFire> thats my problem
[07:22] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:22] <nixternal> hehe
[07:22] <nixternal> whoa
[07:22] <RadiantFire> ah
[07:22] <RadiantFire> so I just found something online
[07:22] <nixternal> wait...i do have hot keys...i forgot...my lappy has all hte media hotkeys
[07:22] <RadiantFire> some guy coudln't make it work with 1.8
[07:22] <nixternal> hmm..
[07:23] <RadiantFire> so he used the 1.15
[07:23] <RadiantFire> he has a dell e1505
[07:23] <nixternal> whoa...he went back a little bit
[07:23] <nixternal> 1.8 to 1.15 is over a year in difference isn't it
[07:23] <RadiantFire> yeah
[07:23] <RadiantFire> someone needs to get on that
[07:23] <RadiantFire> 1.8 is ancient
[07:23] <RadiantFire> I was using 1.8 on a gentoo install 8 months ago...
[07:24] <RadiantFire> do you know packages I have to install to build a kernel?
[07:24] <nixternal> ya...i have noticed that all of the linux wireless apps are old
[07:24] <nixternal> wlan-ng, ndiswrapper
[07:24] <nixternal> the only thing i seen have a recent update is wpa_supplicant
[07:24] <RadiantFire> ok
[07:24] <RadiantFire> so I know there is some funky debian method for building a kernel
[07:24] <Flosoft> hey
[07:24] <RadiantFire> what do I need besides build-essential to build a kernel
[07:25] <nixternal> bin86
[07:25] <Flosoft> why isn't there an up2date realplayer in Dapper?
[07:25] <Lynoure> kernels are fun to build
[07:25] <nixternal> ummm...gcc
[07:25] <Flosoft> or atleast a Konqueror plugin?
[07:25] <Lynoure> RadiantFire:  google for "debian and the kernel"
[07:25] <RadiantFire> I know kernels are fun to build
[07:25] <nixternal> i think i do sudo apt-get install build-essential bin86 gccwhatever
[07:25] <nixternal> kernel headers
[07:26] <RadiantFire> can I build ndiswrapper without the fully compiled kernel?
[07:26] <nixternal> been a while since i installed um
[07:26] <nixternal> now i just dl the kernel and get to work
[07:26] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: I don't know anything about ndiswrappers, as I'm lucky to do out of box with my wireless
[07:26] <nixternal> ya same here Lynoure...orinoco worked right from the get go
[07:27] <nixternal> actually...i had issues with kismet cuz everywhere has my wireless card labeled as a prismII and it isn't
[07:27] <RadiantFire> push comes to shove I can always go get a ralink mini-pci I think
[07:27] <nixternal> and the breezy install i did used ndiswrapper now that i remember and i had issues up the wazoo...so i upgraded to dapper
[07:27] <RadiantFire> I set up a friends laptop and that one worked out of hte box
[07:27] <Flosoft> maybe a Kaffeine Real Player plugin for konqueror?
[07:27] <Flosoft> anyone?
[07:28] <nixternal> good question...i couldn't answer since i haven't gotten aroudn to messing with media yet
[07:28] <nixternal> i am to busy writin' crap ;)
[07:29] <RadiantFire> so while I have sources downloading
[07:29] <nixternal> vmware + solaris 10 install = sloooooooooooow
[07:29] <RadiantFire> did you figure out how to use the media hotkeys?
[07:29] <nixternal> once again...mine worked for the get go....let me tail /var/log and press um see what ig et
[07:31] <RadiantFire> sigh...
[07:32] <RadiantFire> and people wonder why linux hadn't gone mainstream yet...
[07:32] <nixternal> i hear you
[07:32] <nixternal> linux isn't for the kindhearted just yet
[07:32] <nixternal> hey Prak
[07:32] <Prak> hey
[07:32] <RadiantFire> all I know is, my desktop worked out of theh box
[07:33] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: It requires a careful choice of hardware still, I know. As many companies do not share their specs and reverse-engineering stuff is hard work
[07:33] <Prak> i'm not near my linux pc right now
[07:33] <RadiantFire> Lynoure: I did my research
[07:33] <Prak> i'm just here to paste the error message that i got from yesterday
[07:33] <Prak> any updates?
[07:33] <RadiantFire> everything was listed as compatible, including the wireless card through ndiswrapper
[07:33] <Prak> downloading dapper right now
[07:33] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: I think I carefully avoided ndiswrapper solutions.
[07:33] <Lynoure> Was a sceptic.
[07:33] <nixternal> dapper will fix it Prak...i just have that feeling
[07:33] <nixternal> hehe
[07:34] <Prak> ok...
[07:34] <Prak> we'll find out later tonight
[07:34] <nixternal> roger that
[07:34] <nixternal> i need to get cleanin' up my pigsty and get in the shower
[07:34] <nixternal> this irc makes me lazy ;D
[07:34] <RadiantFire> Lynoure:  there were no other good solutions
[07:34] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[07:35] <nixternal> haha
[07:35] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: I understand, it took me ages to find my baby
[07:35] <RadiantFire> weeem I figured out how to adjust screen brightness
[07:35] <nixternal> you guys got me sittin' here with 4 puters goin' trying to simulate issues
[07:35] <nixternal> my systems run so good that i don't have problems...and i can't even recreate um ;D
[07:35] <Lynoure> RadiantFire: Now I'm deliriously happy with this hp nc8230
[07:36] <nixternal> RadiantFire: i have noticed that linux runs better on older proven systems too
[07:36] <Lynoure> nixternal: Did you notice my embarrassed happy smile above? =)
[07:36] <nixternal> i don't have anythign newer then 3 years old
[07:36] <nixternal> lol
[07:36] <nixternal> ya i seen that Lynoure
[07:36] <nixternal> haha
[07:36] <RadiantFire> oh well
[07:36] <Lynoure> nixternal: that was the sound of my network problem being caused by pressing "network on/off" button before booting to winxp last night =)
[07:36] <RadiantFire> sooner or later its ability to run flawless on older systems will give it the inroads it needs
[07:37] <nixternal> ahhhh
[07:37] <r0xz> hey guys, is it normal for xorg to use 169 MB ram and peaks of cpu? (dapper)
[07:37] <nixternal> xorg is a hog that is for sure
[07:38] <nixternal> lemme see what mine is doing
[07:38] <r0xz> that is 169 virtual
[07:38] <nixternal> whoa
[07:38] <RadiantFire> and the good news is I've compiled kernels before...
[07:38] <nixternal> mine is like 0
[07:38] <nixternal> kernel compilation = fun fun fun
[07:38] <GaiaX11> I've upgraded my system 4 times and when i reboot it, grub show me 4 kernel options. How can i get rid of some of them the older ones without breaking my system or not being able to boot it again?
[07:38] <r0xz> i just started ktorrent (svn) and xorg gone wild until i killed ktorrent 9?)
[07:38] <r0xz> (?)
[07:39] <GaiaX11> I am asking it because i think the older kernels are taking much room in my hd.
[07:39] <nixternal> let me start ktorrent and see what happens
[07:39] <nixternal> grub....you can get rid of the older kernels through adept
[07:39] <nixternal> i just called you grub
[07:39] <nixternal> lol
[07:39] <RadiantFire> lol
[07:40] <nixternal> GaiaX11: you can get rid of the older kernels through adept
[07:40] <RadiantFire> i remember when I ran out of space in /boot
[07:40] <r0xz> i think the upgrades made some problem, 25 i'll install the rc and see again. I just hope i am the only one with this "problem"
[07:40] <RadiantFire> that was entertaining
[07:40] <RadiantFire> holy kernel panics batman, its not working!
[07:40] <Desh> Can a anyone help with changing root pass?
[07:40] <nixternal> you need to keep kernel headers and the linux-kernel-2.6.15-23-386
[07:40] <nixternal> desh...kmenu > system settings > users
[07:40] <GaiaX11> What about synaptic?
[07:40] <gpo> hi all
[07:40] <nixternal> do administration...
[07:40] <r0xz> Desh: there is no root pass because there is not root account
[07:40] <nixternal> ya GaiaX11...synamptic will work
[07:41] <Desh> Nah see myproblem goes beyond this...
[07:41] <nixternal> no..there is a root account....it just is like disabled ;D
[07:41] <nixternal> sudo -s -H
[07:41] <gpo> i just installed kubuntu dapper and i've noticed that i have too many modules when i lsmod. Where can i delete some of them ?
[07:41] <Desh>  It randomly asks me for a root passwd when I boot into recovery mode and the one pass I always used does not work. Also, my normal user account was accidentally stripped of sudo powers by me.
[07:41] <nixternal> you cang et root that way
[07:41] <nixternal> fakeroot even
[07:41] <GaiaX11> nixternal, many thanks!
[07:41] <nixternal> np
[07:42] <nixternal> when you select to remove them GaiaX11...look closely if it comes up with dependencies
[07:42] <nixternal> ask question in here while you go through with it
[07:42] <nixternal> just to be safe
[07:42] <nixternal> don't want to grab to much
[07:42] <r0xz> Desh: have your tried sudo passwd root ?
[07:42] <Desh> I cannot since my only account is stripped of sudo powers
[07:43] <nixternal> huh...how did that happen>?
[07:43] <RadiantFire> Desh, boot in recovery and do gpasswd -a <accont> admin
[07:43] <Desh> I accidentally changed the primary group.
[07:43] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:43] <gpo> plz help me : i just installed kubuntu dapper and i've noticed that i have too many modules when i lsmod. Where can i delete some of them ?
[07:43] <Desh> And for some reason, when I boot into recovery mode it asks for a pass for maintenance.
[07:43] <nixternal> gpo: what do you mean you have to many modules?
[07:44] <Desh> I added a line at the end of the kernel in the GRUB menu and I am logged in as root@(none)
[07:44] <gpo> nixternal : he loads me many modules that i don't need
[07:44] <Desh> But when I use passwd there, it says: Authentication tocken lock busy
[07:44] <nixternal> you change which modules load and what not through the kernel
[07:44] <nixternal> you have to compile your kernel and select what you need and don't need
[07:45] <r0xz> yikes, i see. What about using a live-cd and create & mount the right devices and then change the groups?
[07:45] <RadiantFire> what does sleep-inside-spinlock do?
[07:45] <nixternal> i hvae no clue
[07:45] <RadiantFire> some kind of mutex mechanism?
[07:45] <nixternal> sleep-inside-spinlock...where in the hell did that come from...
[07:45] <Desh> Hmm, I have Knoppix 3.4...
[07:45] <gpo> nixternel : it is a standard ubuntu kernel
[07:45] <r0xz> could work
[07:46] <Desh> How would I change groups with that?
[07:46] <nixternal> ya...all vanilla kernels are bloated...i download from www.kernel.org and grab the latest and compile my own
[07:46] <reagleBRKLN> just installed dapper and was hoping it would be nice pnp with my devices... but not only does it not create a logical symlink (e.g., FUJI, MUVO, usbdisk), it's not mounting an icon
[07:46] <reagleBRKLN> what packages do i need for this?
[07:46] <gpo> nixternal : there isn't a way to avoid that ?
[07:47] <RadiantFire> thats why I dumped gentoo, cuz I was tired of configuring kernels...
[07:47] <gpo> nixternal : i thought there was a file like /etc/modules
[07:47] <nixternal> not really gpo....they are loaded like that so they tend to work on every machine they are installed on...all those modules really don't slow anything down or increase kernel size at all
[07:47] <reagleBRKLN> usb-mount, hal-device-manager ?
[07:47] <nixternal> i don't have  /etc/modules
[07:48] <gpo> nixternal : except that ubuntu loads me a bad module for my wireless ethernet card
[07:48] <nixternal> lol...my /etc/modules is there...just flat out empty
[07:48] <nixternal> lol
[07:48] <nixternal> what card do you have?
[07:49] <gpo> wmp54gs working with ndiswrapper
[07:49] <RadiantFire> gpo, add the bad moduole to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[07:49] <nixternal> what module is loading that is bad for the card?
[07:50] <nixternal> ya.
[07:50] <RadiantFire> blacklist <modname>
[07:50] <gpo> yes !
[07:50] <gpo> thanks
[07:50] <RadiantFire> silly prism54 drivers did that to me
[07:50] <nixternal> ya...me too
[07:50] <nixternal> the whole prismII thing when i needed orinoco
[07:50] <RadiantFire> i've forgotten how much fun it is to watch kernel builds scroll by
[07:50] <nixternal> lol
[07:51] <nixternal> i go and mow the lawn when that part takes place
[07:51] <nixternal> ;D
[07:51] <RadiantFire> hopefully when this is done I can go outside in the nice weather and do some coding
[07:51] <nixternal> damn...it is 70f right now too
[07:51] <nixternal> and im in here on the puter
[07:51] <nixternal> im e.tarded
[07:51] <RadiantFire> lol
[07:51] <RadiantFire> its 85
[07:51] <nixternal> oh wow
[07:51] <nixternal> where you at?
[07:51] <RadiantFire> I'm gonna wait till it cools down a lil, and then go for a job
[07:51] <RadiantFire> jog*
[07:51] <RadiantFire> Atlanta
[07:51] <nixternal> hotlanta
[07:51] <RadiantFire> yep
[07:51] <nixternal> hehe..stone mountain baby
[07:52] <nixternal> pink floyd laser light show
[07:52] <nixternal> i love hotlanta
[07:52] <nixternal> used to stay out in snellville
[07:52] <nixternal> LOL
[07:52] <RadiantFire> lol
[07:52] <nixternal> my x is from snellville
[07:52] <RadiantFire> anything doing with your multimedia hotkeys
[07:52] <RadiantFire> ?
[07:52] <nixternal> nada
[07:52] <RadiantFire> oh well
[07:52] <nixternal> the only one that works is the sound on/off
[07:53] <nixternal> but i beleive that is through the bios and not nix
[07:53] <nixternal> i know it is through the bios actually
[07:53] <RadiantFire> the guy who got this lappy working that I'm reading uses Gnome, and said something about a gnome utility to configure all the fun stuff
[07:54] <RadiantFire> seeing as how I hate gnome, that does me very little good...
[07:54] <nixternal> that key..all it is...is a power on/off switch...i don't see why linux would control it...i think it don't work cuz the card isn't working yet
[07:54] <RadiantFire> the thing is
[07:54] <RadiantFire> i have little fn key mods
[07:54] <GaiaX11> And then .... remove the dependencies as well?
[07:54] <nixternal> what you can do in gnome you can do in kde ;)
[07:54] <RadiantFire> the fn key plus up-down changes my screen brightness
[07:54] <nixternal> yes GaiaX11
[07:54] <RadiantFire> but the pgup key has a louder icon and the pgdown key has a softer icon
[07:54] <nixternal> as long as they are not related to the curent kernel
[07:54] <RadiantFire> but fn-pgup doesn't increase volume
[07:55] <RadiantFire> and pgdown doesn't decrease it
[07:55] <nixternal> uname -r to see what your latest kernel is
[07:55] <RadiantFire> why does it work for some keys and not others!
[07:55] <nixternal> really...see now my volume keys do work
[07:55] <nixternal> but i don't believe they are software controlled
[07:56] <nixternal> as i can press then while the bios is loading up and see the volume indicator go up/down
[07:56] <RadiantFire> cuz that is useful :{
[07:56] <GaiaX11> nixternal, I did it. Now I will reboot to see if it works. Thanks!
[07:57] <nixternal> k
[07:57] <r0xz> Desh: with chgrp
[07:57] <RadiantFire> well, the mixer applet works at least
[07:58] <nixternal> hmm...you know...i haven't tested mine withthe mixer applet
[07:58] <nixternal> and i just shut mine off
[07:58] <RadiantFire> mixer applet controls raw pcm by default
[07:58] <RadiantFire> which seems to work
[07:58] <nixternal> thats cool
[07:59] <RadiantFire> yay, I'm compiling filesystems :)
[07:59] <nixternal> gettin' close now
[07:59] <RadiantFire> I'm silly and made my /home xfs
[07:59] <nixternal> filesystems in just pased half way
[08:00] <nixternal> filesystems is the only portion i really don't mess with in the kernel...i get rid of filesystems i know i will never ever use in my lifetime..that is about it
[08:00] <nixternal> i have tried all of possible filesystems and ext3 has benchmarked the best on all of my systems
[08:00] <Desh> I kick ass.
[08:00] <RadiantFire> if the 1.15 ndiswrapper works, I think I might submit a bug to the effect that ndiswrapper package is ancient
[08:00] <nixternal> i am using reiserfs on my lappy cuz it seems a lil quicker
[08:00] <nixternal> lol Desh
[08:00] <RadiantFire> i read that xfs works well on scsi drives so I mad root ext3 and home xfs
[08:00] <Desh> I remounted / and I changed pass.
[08:01] <Desh> Yay for root access!!
[08:01] <nixternal> lol
[08:01] <Desh> Ok now I need help.
[08:01] <nixternal> now get your groups fixed so you don't have to root
[08:01] <nixternal> hehe
[08:01] <Desh> My main user, fries, I want that account to have the same type of access I did when I first made it.
[08:01] <Desh> The primary group should be: fries?
[08:03] <Desh> Yes or no?
[08:03] <nixternal> yes
[08:03] <nixternal> sorry...dog was goin' nuts
[08:04] <Desh> Haha ok. Now, for me to be able to use sudo, and to be able to use the password thingy in Adept, Admin mode, etc, what secondary group do I need? Admin?
[08:04] <RadiantFire> users
[08:04] <RadiantFire> or user
[08:04] <RadiantFire> I can't remember
[08:04] <HymnToLife> yes,
[08:04] <RadiantFire> probably plugdev
[08:05] <HymnToLife> or add the user to /etc/sudoers
[08:05] <RadiantFire> are there cdrom and audio groups in ubuntu?
[08:05] <nixternal> im sure there are...
[08:05] <RadiantFire> those would probably be useful groups as well
[08:06] <RadiantFire> mmm, isdn drivers
[08:06] <nixternal> i thought the user control panel was a little more informative...but it isn't
[08:06] <nixternal> mine just shows user: nixternal
[08:06] <nixternal> that is it
[08:06] <nixternal> it doesn't list groups or anything
[08:06] <Desh> I have: audio, cdrom, dialout, dip, disk, floppy, Ipadmin, plugdev, scanner, ssh, video
[08:06] <nixternal> there youg o
[08:06] <nixternal> add um all
[08:06] <nixternal> lol
[08:06] <Desh> All of them?
[08:06] <nixternal> i am used to using group: wheel
[08:06] <HymnToLife> and admin
[08:06] <RadiantFire> yeah
[08:06] <Desh> When I added sudo before, it NEVER asked for a pass.
[08:07] <HymnToLife> otherwise the account won't have rights to use sudo
[08:07] <Desh> but when I had admin w/o sudo it would ask for a pass, but only once. It used to ask for a pass everytime.
[08:07] <RadiantFire> nixternal: if I am installing ndiswrapper from external sources, should I uninstall ndiswrapper-utils?
[08:07] <RadiantFire> or will it just get clobbered and go away
[08:07] <HymnToLife> it asks for the pass again after 15 mins by default
[08:07] <Desh> I'
[08:07] <Desh> I'd remove it...
[08:08] <nixternal> good question...i probably would...just so nothing gets mixed up with something that could be bad
[08:08] <RadiantFire> ah, i need to install checkinstall
[08:08] <RadiantFire> that what i was forgetting
[08:08] <knanand> hi a;;
[08:09] <knanand> i'm using ubuntu 5.10, i how can i upgrade to kubuntu???
[08:09] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[08:09] <vmware> go to synaptic and install kubuntu-desktop
[08:09] <Desh> Ok, so adding admin, umm, should I add adm, backup, bin, crontab, daemon, dhcp, fax, games, gnats, hal, irc, klog, kmem,  list, Ip, mail, man, nessagebus, news, nogroup, operator, proxy, shadow, slocate, src, staff, sudo, sys, syslog, tape, tty, users, utmp, uucp, voice, www-date
[08:10] <Desh> List the ones I should add, if you don;t mind. :)
[08:11] <RadiantFire> Desh, i don't thihnk you need those
[08:11] <RadiantFire> those are groups used by system users
[08:11] <Desh> I thik I had adm before tho...
[08:11] <Desh> I may have removed it myself..
[08:11] <RadiantFire> none of t hem would probably hurt
[08:11] <RadiantFire> you want users
[08:11] <RadiantFire> though
[08:12] <Desh> Can you check which ones you have that I don't? Just to be safe. :)
[08:12] <nixternal`afk> gotta get some things done...i will be back shortly
[08:13] <knanand> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu??
[08:13] <RadiantFire> knanand: default desktop environment
[08:13] <xwolf-> kubuntu = ubuntu - gnome + kde
[08:13] <vmware> kde
[08:13] <Desh> They run the same, both based off Debian, yada yda yada, cept Kubuntu is prettier since it's KDE.
[08:14] <knanand> if i install kubuntu desktop then will i lose gname??
[08:14] <xwolf-> and buggier
[08:14] <knanand> gnome??
[08:14] <xwolf-> knanand nope
[08:14] <Desh> No.
[08:14] <Desh> You can use gnome apps on KDE and vice versa.
[08:14] <xwolf-> nooo
[08:14] <RadiantFire> 5.10 kubuntu was buggy, I find 6.06 kubuntu more stable than gnome
[08:14] <xwolf-> YOU CAN?
[08:14] <knanand> Oh! so it is additional packages...
[08:14] <vmware> I think you can choose kde or gnome from the login menu
[08:15] <vmware> once kubuntu-desktop is installed
[08:15] <Desh> Yeah, you can have both KDE and Gnome.
[08:16] <Desh> I don't see why one would tho...
[08:16] <vmware> cause you can..... ;-)
[08:16] <xwolf-> hehe
[08:16] <Desh> Haha true.
[08:17] <Desh> Oh man, I think I fixed this. Thanks to all who helped.
[08:17] <Desh> First to test if root login still works...
[08:17] <Flosoft> why is the realplayer package out of date?
[08:18] <vmware> has anyone here have vmware trash the xserver files?
[08:18] <Flosoft> It isn't working anymore :/
[08:18] <Desh> Anyone know a good Linux distro to use to teach computer retarded people Linux?
[08:18] <vmware> I've had it happen 3 times
[08:18] <Flosoft> Dapper has Realplayer 8 instead of 10
[08:18] <Flosoft> Desh: SuSE
[08:19] <Desh> Hmm...if I gave root a pass...then when my normal user is asked for a pass for sudo, what pass would that be, the user one or the root one?
[08:19] <Flosoft> Root
[08:19] <Desh> Ah ok cool. Thanks.
[08:20] <Desh> And remember kids, never take your only user out of the admins group.
[08:20] <salvador> hi there
[08:21] <Desh> Hi.
[08:21] <salvador> i need some help about kubuntu but i don write english well
[08:21] <Desh> Spanish?
[08:22] <salvador> yep
[08:22] <xwolf-> German?
[08:22] <xwolf-> Suahile?
[08:22] <salvador> spanish
[08:22] <salvador> please :)
[08:22] <Desh> bueno, si puedo te ayudare y si no puedo serbir de interprete.
[08:22] <xwolf-> you can try ubuntu-es, too.
[08:22] <Desh> Tambien creo que ay #kubuntu-es para espanol
[08:22] <RadiantFire> um
[08:23] <salvador> gracias
[08:23] <Desh> de nasa
[08:23] <RadiantFire> so my kernel source package I installed through apt just failed to compile...
[08:23] <Desh> *nada
[08:23] <Flosoft> is Christian Marillat here?
[08:23] <Desh> Radiant, why?
[08:23] <Desh> For ndiswrapper?
[08:23] <salvador> installe ubuntu en mi laptop
[08:23] <RadiantFire> no
[08:24] <RadiantFire> the kernel itself
[08:24] <Desh> RadiantFire, lame.
[08:24] <Desh> salvador, y que es el problema?
[08:25] <RadiantFire> I can't find the error message
[08:25] <RadiantFire> I'm gonna try and reconfigure without the offending module
[08:25] <salvador> resulta que al instalar kde aparece un error ya que seala que la temperatura del equipo se elevo demasiado y que necesita apagarse
[08:26] <RadiantFire> silly me, "Select only drivers expected to compile cleanly wasn't clicked..."
[08:26] <xwolf-> salvador breezy o dapper?
[08:26] <salvador> breezy
[08:26] <Desh> Hmm, estas seguro que sera un problema de ubuntu o alomejor configuacion en el laptop?
[08:26] <salvador> el equipo es una compaq presario 2415la
[08:26] <frank_> !es
[08:26] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[08:26] <salvador> con el escritorio gnome no me causa problema
[08:26] <Desh> Podria ser que necesites configurar a los ventiladores en el BIOS.
[08:27] <Desh> Espera..
[08:27] <xwolf-> el problema esta en su laptop, muy certo.
[08:27] <Desh> hey, salvador says that when he uses gnome the laptop runs fine, but when he uses KDE he gets a message that says it is overheating. Any clues?
[08:28] <RadiantFire> KDE has better lm_sensor frontends?
[08:28] <Desh> Maybe.
[08:29] <RadiantFire> kde was supposd to use fewer resources last time I checked
[08:29] <Desh> salvador, creo que es rpoblema del laptop. Puede ser que a Gnome se le escape ese detalle y KDE lo reconose, pero no hay rason para que KDE haga que la temperatura suba tanto.
[08:29] <RadiantFire> well, I'm off for a job, hopefully the kernel will successfully compile this go around
[08:29] <Desh> Good luck, RadiantFire.
[08:30] <Desh> Y KDE supestamente usa menos recursos, entonses debe de ser la computadora.
[08:31] <salvador> de acuerdo. el equipo por si solo se calienta bastante pero no me habia ocurrido eso...
[08:31] <chuso> vaya en kubuntu se habla castellano? :S
[08:31] <salvador> de todas formas gracias y checare en el BIOS el ajuste de los ventiladores
[08:32] <Desh> de nada. :) buena suerte.
[08:33] <salvador> gracias
[08:33] <Desh> Well I'm out, thanks and bye all! :):):)
[08:34] <chuso> does anybody know if this howto [1]  is the best installing xgl on Kubuntu?
[08:34] <chuso> [1]  = https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[08:35] <chuso> sorry for my English
[08:36] <frank_> chuso: no, that one is for Ubuntu
[08:37] <chuso> frank_: do you know any howto available for kubuntu, please?
[08:37] <frank_> chuso: If you have a Nvidia card, use this one http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=845077
[08:38] <frank_> chuso: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148351
[08:38] <chuso> I have an intel integrated card on my laptop
[08:38] <Skipster> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu
[08:38] <chuso> but that could be a good start point :)
[08:38] <chuso> wow! :D thanks
[08:41] <chuso> and another one question... I have just dist-upgraded my laptop, and now i would like to dist-upgrade my desktop. Should I download again all packages? or copying /var/apt/cache files and updating it should work?
[08:42] <frank_> chuso: I think it should work. Never tried it though
[08:43] <chuso> ok, thanks again frank_  :)
[08:45] <Skipster> Just 1 more gig. to download and i'll be on my way to learning linux does anyone have any suggestions
[08:47] <uwo> hi all. installed kmplayer plugin with apt-get, but konqueror doesn't find it. how do i find out where it is installed, so i can add it to the plugins dir in settings?
[08:48] <troy> uwo: from the konsole, type 'which kmplayer' (should work if the program is called kmplayer)
[08:50] <uwo> troy: it does nothing (its called kmplayer-plugin)
[08:53] <frank_> uwo: are you on dapper?
[08:53] <uwo> frank_: no.breezy
[08:54] <frank_> uwo: ok. in dapper there is a kmplayer plugin in konqueror by default (that actually uses xine to play videos)\
[08:54] <frank_> uwo: did you do a 'scan for new plugins'?
[08:55] <uwo> frank_: problem could be that in the list of dirs to scan i only have firefox (i was removing the original list one by one to find a non-functioning one)
[08:55] <uwo> frank_: and it doesn't find it in that dir, so that is why i am searching around for where it could be
[08:56] <frank_> uwo: you can always do a sudo updatedb   then  locate kmplayer  to find files
[08:57] <uwo> frank:_: what is that?
[08:58] <frank_> uwo: in a konsole.   locate filename  is a quick way to find files.    sudo updatedb   updates the file index  (it usually is run once a day)
[08:58] <uwo> frank_: thnx - will do
[08:59] <uwo> frank_: just for the record - i am looking for a .so file?
[08:59] <frank_> uwo: I think so... I don't know that much about plugins
[08:59] <jtmoney> damn, adept found 139 updates today
[08:59] <jtmoney> new release momentarily?
[08:59] <jtmoney> =)
[08:59] <RadiantFire> yeah, the devs have been busy as of late
[08:59] <RadiantFire> ...
[09:00] <troy> it's worse if you have all the dev packages installed too :)
[09:00] <RadiantFire> lol, yes
[09:00] <RadiantFire> I had 223 on my desktop today
[09:00] <RadiantFire> and like 300 someodd if I can ever get this silly lappy up and running with wireless
[09:00] <julle> which version is the latest and stable kubuntu version?
[09:01] <jtmoney> julle: flight 7 is plenty stable
[09:01] <RadiantFire> 5.10 is stable, although 6.06 is coming out in 9 days
[09:01] <RadiantFire> oris it 10
[09:01] <RadiantFire> adding month days is hard
[09:02] <mzelem> How do I get a list of all the open ports on my server?
[09:02] <julle> okey, i have 5.10 right now but is there someway i can upgrade my dist or do i have to reinstall kubuntu?
[09:02] <frank_> julle: you can upgrade
[09:03] <frank_> !upgrade
[09:03] <julle> !upgrade
[09:03] <julle> ?
[09:03] <RadiantFire> that failed
[09:03] <frank_> julle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[09:03] <chuso> mzelem: nmap host
[09:03] <mzelem> ok, thanks
[09:04] <frank_> hmmm there is an upgrade for the kernel but not for the modules. I think I'll wait a bit
[09:05] <RadiantFire> ewww, I just started screensaver and it only appears in the top left corner
[09:05] <Broxtor> Hi. I'm trying to mount an ext3 partition read/write for all users, but I can't get it to work. I can only read. I have the following line in my /etc/fstab:
[09:05] <RadiantFire> whats up with that?
[09:05] <Broxtor> /dev/hda5    /media/hda5       ext3       rw,user,defaults     0         0
[09:13] <Sythen> hey
[09:13] <Sythen> how do I install baghira?
[09:14] <Sythen> i dont know how to symlink the admin dir from the kde cvs tree
[09:20] <Sythen> hey\
[09:20] <Sythen> how do I install svn?
[09:21] <Sythen> nevermind
[09:22] <xwolf-> i have two adsl routers, how can i do this 'load balance' thingie with them?
[09:25] <Drakeson> my getty's are totally b0rked. when I Alt-Ctrl-F1 I get a totally blank screen. Also in the booting process I never see the initialization page (usplash?). I just get some flickering noise instead
[09:30] <menno_> how can i move data to another partition?
[09:32] <Sythen> Hey
[09:33] <Sythen> What does "c compiler cannot make executables" mean? :-\
[09:34] <aseigo> Sythen: do you have gcc installed?
[09:34] <Sythen> aseigo: yes
[09:34] <Sythen> i just installed it
[09:34] <aseigo> menno_: mv or cp .. or in konqueror just drag and drop
[09:34] <aseigo> Sythen: open the config.log and see what the exact error was
[09:40] <Sythen> okay
[09:40] <Sythen> the makefile isnt right
[09:43] <Sythen> Makefile.am:2: HAVE_3_4 does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[09:45] <KMortimeRK_>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY KMortimeRK
[09:48] <dergringo> KMortimeRK_: :) I'd suggest that you change your Password, NOW.
[09:49] <jtmoney> hah
[09:50] <StR> hi all
[09:51] <StR> is kubuntu dapper going to come with XGL?
[09:52] <chavo> StR, it's available but not installed by default
[09:52] <Skrot> StR: There has been no work done on a window decorator for KDE/Compiz in 3 months, so I somehow doubt it. Unless they're planning to ship it with gnome window decoration
[09:53] <Sythen> meh
[09:53] <StR> where can I read wich video cards work with XGL?
[09:53] <Skrot> StR: Check out http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Video_Card_Support_Under_XGL
[09:54] <Sythen> anyone here have baghira installed?
[09:54] <chavo> Sythen, yes
[09:55] <Sythen> chavo: what are you using, kubuntu or other?
[09:55] <chavo> kubuntu but I built it from source I wanted the sidebar
[09:56] <Sythen> i cant get it working -_-
[09:56] <Sythen> i get this:
[09:56] <Sythen> Makefile.am:2: HAVE_3_4 does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[09:56] <Sythen> on the makefile building
[09:57] <chavo> do you have unsermak installed?
[09:57] <chavo> unsermake*
[09:58] <Sythen> no
[09:58] <Sythen> didnt know I needed it :||
[09:59] <chavo> I think you can build it without it but it's much easier with it, just apt-get install unsermake
[09:59] <Sythen> Makefile.am:2: HAVE_3_4 does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[09:59] <Sythen> oops
[09:59] <chavo> then rerun configure
[09:59] <Sythen> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[09:59] <chavo> then run unsermake
[09:59] <chavo> how did you install gcc?
[10:00] <Sythen> sudo apt-get install gcc
[10:00] <Sythen> lol
[10:00] <chavo> did you install build-essential?
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[10:00] <chavo> apt-get install build-essential
[10:00] <Skipster23> when i try to download the 5.10 dvd it downloads to 2.11GBs then internet explorer says that the server has timed out it has happend twice now what do i do
[10:00] <Sythen> pfft
[10:01] <Sythen> Skipster23: are you using NTFS?
[10:02] <RadiantFire> can someone explain to me why the 2.6.15-22 kernel sources from apt don't compile?
[10:02] <RadiantFire> its very silly
[10:02] <chavo> RadiantFire, did you sprinkle them with pixie dust?
[10:02] <RadiantFire> no, i didn't
[10:02] <chavo> well :P
[10:03] <RadiantFire> i think I've got it
[10:03] <RadiantFire> but I had to strip out about 5 use net adapters
[10:04] <Sythen> oh great -_-
[10:04] <Sythen> configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[10:05] <RadiantFire> Sythen: what are you compiling?
[10:05] <Sythen> RadiantFire: baghira
[10:05] <RadiantFire> do you have kdelibs4-dev installed
[10:05] <chavo> Sythen, do a sudo apt-get build-dep kdebase that should get you all the required libraries
[10:05] <RadiantFire> or you could do that
[10:06] <gpo> re tout le monde
[10:06] <chavo> that'll pull in the qt, xorg and kde includes
[10:06] <Sythen> thanks
[10:06] <Sythen> lol this is taking me forever
[10:08] <Sythen> how long does it take for [waiting for headers] ??
[10:11] <chavo> Sythen, you using the us repos?
[10:12] <Sythen> chavo: no, I thought they were down.. :-|
[10:13] <chavo> yeah theyre having trouble
[10:24] <Sythen> hey
[10:26] <Sythen> baghira site - "In the KDE Control Center, go to section LookNFeel > Behavior. Check ... (Mac OS-style) in the Menu Bar section." I dont see that
[10:28] <Sythen> chavo: are you there?
[10:28] <knanand> how can i install KOffice ??
[10:30] <KMortimeRK_> "Could not calculate the upgrade" is this a bug in the update-manager or in the packages?
[10:30] <knanand> some one tell me How to install KOffice in kubuntu?? :(
[10:31] <icheyne> !tell knanand about koffice
[10:31] <Sythen> anyone here have experience with baghira?
[10:31] <icheyne> knanand, search in synaptic
[10:31] <icheyne> for Koffice
[10:32] <icheyne> !baghira
[10:32] <ubotu> icheyne: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:32] <chavo> Sythen, it's in Desktop -> Behaviuour the baghira site is old
[10:33] <xwolf-> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html there is this page about using two routers, but i can only do that if i have two ethernet cards, right?
[10:35] <trpr42> xwolf-: i think so. the router would have 3 ethernet cards. one for each service provider and one to connect to the local network
[10:36] <xwolf-> hm, cause i am connected through a hub to two separate routers (192.168.10.254 and 192.168.254.254) and wanted to use them at once. that's not possible, right?
[10:36] <xwolf-> right now, i have to choose between them, by editing my ip and gateway
[10:39] <trpr42> xwolf-: i think the router is supposed to be doing that for you.. the router takes the two internet connections and binds them as one. from your point of view, you would only be connecting to the one router that is binding the connections
[10:39] <xwolf-> by router i mean *adsl modem*
[10:39] <swoke> Hello.
[10:39] <knanand> when i add the repos and try to install koffice i get an error
[10:39] <swoke> Does the gam_server CPU bug got any kind of solution ?
[10:41] <xwolf-> trpr42 sorry, i am not making myself clear. ---10.254 and ---254.254 are adsl modems, router modems. each one has its own phone line and everything. i can reach both of them, either setting my ip to 192.168.10.XXX or 192.168.254.XXX, but not at the same time. the idea was to use them as they were one
[10:42] <Skipster> Question - do i need a boot manager to be able run windows and kubuntu
[10:42] <trpr42> xwolf-: i see. yes. you can't use both without two ethernet cards
[10:42] <xwolf-> right.
[10:42] <trpr42> xwolf-: or... a router with two ethernet cards that is doing what that diagram is describing
[10:43] <xwolf-> i'm gonna do that, precisely... gotta buy a little machine though
[10:43] <trpr42> xwolf-: sounds like fun. old computers make good routers
[10:43] <xwolf-> :)
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> xwolf: Thing about link aggregation is each connection is assigned to one router so it doesn't become more reliable
[10:44] <xwolf-> but hey, how will i know $P1_NET and $P2_NET if each time the modem connects it is assigned a different ip number?
[10:48] <xwolf-> Skipster kubuntu installs grub automagically, if you say yes.
[10:49] <xwolf-> trpr42: see that $P1_NET and $P2_NET there?
[10:49] <trpr42> xwolf-: those are variables in your firewall script?
[10:50] <xwolf-> "Finally, let $P1_NET be the IP network $P1 is in, and $P2_NET the IP network $P2 is in."
[10:50] <xwolf-> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[10:50] <Skipster> ok great is that like LILO booter
[10:51] <xwolf-> Skipster: i've never seen LILO, but looks like they're brothers or such
[10:52] <xwolf-> trpr42: thing is, if a router modem is assigned a different ip number each time it connects to the provider, how will i know it when typing those codes?
[10:52] <casper> Anybody want to help a complete noob to linux?
[10:52] <Skipster> if i don't have an extra partition on my winblows machine do i need to reinstall and creat a blank partition
[10:52] <xwolf-> casper: shoot
[10:52] <casper> thanks
[10:52] <trpr42> xwolf-: sorry, not sure how to get those values.  i know it can be done with some simple scripting but i haven't done it
[10:53] <xwolf-> trpr42: i can always visit saymyip.com, isnt that what its asking?
[10:53] <xwolf-> s/its/it's
[10:53] <trpr42> xwolf-: yes but thats no good. your machine should be executing these commands on its own. the page is describing a script.. ie those values should be fetched for you
[10:53] <trpr42> you shouldn't have to supply them unless you are doing it all manually..and i bet you will only want to do that once or twice ;)
[10:54] <xwolf-> Skipster: you have to partition the HDD to install linux.
[10:54] <xwolf-> trpr42: right, thanks for the time man :)
[10:55] <trpr42> xwolf-: sorry i can't be more help. i have only setup very simple routers. ;\
[10:55] <Skipster> i understand that can i make a new partition with windows already installed or do i need to reinstall windows with a extra partition
[10:56] <casper> I just installed kubuntu....successfully.  First time to ever experiment with any linux.  On all my windows machines, I use a program called synergy.  It is a LAN based software KVM switch, basically.  I downloaded a tar.gz file from synergy2.sourceforge.net (which I believe is a compressed format for linux).  I extracted all the files that I can navigate to in Konqueror and I see the file, that in Windows I would double click on to execut
[10:56] <casper> And I have no idea how to run this software....
[10:56] <casper> sorry, I know this sounds retarded
[10:57] <casper> but....I am a linux retard at the moment
[10:57] <xwolf-> Skipster: no, you can leave winblows intact.. just use PartitionMagic to steal some spare space from it, then in kubuntu installer you use the automatic-use-this-space-as-linux-partition-thingie
[10:58] <Skipster> great thats what i needed to know thanks
[10:58] <xwolf-> np
[10:58] <xwolf-> casper: you downloaded the source files?
[10:59] <chavo> casper, synergy is available as a package
[10:59] <Skipster> casper: tar.gz is a linux compressed file if you need to uncompress it in windows use winrar
[10:59] <xwolf-> casper: chavo said it all.
[10:59] <casper> oh
[10:59] <casper> ok
[10:59] <casper> thanks
[10:59] <chavo> I don't know what repo it's in though
[10:59] <xwolf-> !repos
[10:59] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:00] <xwolf-> probably universe
[11:00] <chavo> casper there's no gui to configure it though
[11:00] <xwolf-> oh... that sucks...
[11:00] <chavo> but writing the config file is easy and there's a sample included
[11:01] <casper> that's ok.  Once I can just figure out some basic things....  I will have no problems.
[11:01] <xwolf-> leaving now, cya.
[11:02] <casper> Like the equivalent commands from microsoft command line to the console
[11:02] <Skipster> what is synergy anyways
[11:02] <casper> And how this directory structure (if that's even what this is) works
[11:03] <casper> synergy is awesome
[11:03] <trip> hm
[11:03] <casper> It allows you to use one keyboard and mouse
[11:03] <chavo> Skipster, it lets you use one mouse and keyboard with 2 computers
[11:03] <casper> for multiple computers
[11:03] <trip> any dapper users find that kontact crashes after most recent updates?
[11:03] <trip> I updated kernel and now only crashes when i check mail
[11:04] <chavo> trip, works for me
[11:04] <chavo> I updated this afternoon
[11:05] <trip> hm
[11:05] <trip> wonder if i've important my kontact settings through too many versions
[11:06] <chavo> I've had the same .kde folder for a long time
[11:06] <casper> it is seamless....for example, I have 3 monitors (two side by side on upper level, one centered on bottom).  Upper left monitor is connected to a 2003 server, bottom center is connected to an XP workstation, and upper right is connected to a workstation running kubuntu....if I can get this working, I will be able to instantly travel between the three...it's really, really snazzy.
[11:07] <chavo> casper, it works no problem for me. Only 2 computers but both are dual boot and synergy works all the time
[11:07] <Skipster> does anyone know how to use partion magic
[11:09] <trip> partition magic is pretty self explanatory
[11:09] <trip> if you understand partitions
[11:09] <trip> You guys think using i686 kernel vs i386 could cause dappers kontact install to become unstable?
[11:11] <Skipster> for a linux partion i need a linux swap and a linux ext2 or ext3
[11:11] <Skipster> which one
[11:11] <Skipster> 2 or 3
[11:11] <casperisregister> freenode kicked me out for my nick being casper
[11:11] <casperisregister> I just installed it, skipster, and I used 3
[11:11] <trip> go with 3
[11:11] <trip> but either will work
[11:12] <luksan> can somebody please search to see what package contains /var/lib/menu-xdg/menus/debian-menu.menu?
[11:12] <trip> isnt there a debian-menu package
[11:12] <casperisregister> I did a dualboot setup.  If I can help, I will.
[11:12] <Skipster> and the swap right
[11:12] <casperisregister> yes
[11:13] <casperisregister> you will need 3 partitions on your harddrive
[11:13] <Skipster> logic or primary for the ext3 and swap
[11:13] <casperisregister> logic
[11:13] <Skipster> for both
[11:13] <casperisregister> if your windows is primary
[11:13] <casperisregister> yea
[11:15] <Skipster> ok and for the swap file how big should it be i have an 80GB and windows takes up 20GB but a need few more on the windows for my wife stuff online
[11:15] <crazy_penguin> night all! pleasent dreams!
[11:16] <casperisregister> night
[11:17] <Skipster> what is the swap partition for
[11:17] <casperisregister> sorry, skipster, I was away for a second
[11:18] <casperisregister> Swap file (assuming it's the same as windows, which I'm sure it is) is:
[11:18] <casperisregister> What your system uses when you are out of physical ram, basically
[11:18] <Skipster> ok so make my linux swap like 2 GB
[11:18] <casperisregister> That's what I made mine, exactly
[11:19] <casperisregister> probably overkill....but I don't care
[11:20] <trip> wow
[11:20] <trip> flakey
[11:20] <trip> With the i686 kernel kontact crashed on me
[11:20] <trip> with i386 it's fine
[11:21] <jager> is azureus in the apt archives somewhere?
[11:24] <trip> yeah
[11:24] <trip> probably in the community repositories
[11:26] <jager> hmm, ok
[11:26] <jager> can't find it :(
[11:26] <casperisregister> I really hate to keep asking such dumb questions, and I will leave if I'm asked (I am familiar with impatience and "Use the search button" responses).  But where do I find these packages at?  I see no link on kubuntu.org....
[11:27] <BlankB> casperisregister: which packages?
[11:27] <dergringo> casperisregister: open console. type _ apt-cache search firefox _ for example
[11:27] <BlankB> jager: you do not need azureus from repo. The version from their site runs fine.
[11:28] <BlankB> jager: you do not need azureus from repo. The version from their site runs fine.
[11:28] <EvilIdler> I've actually had more luck with the official Azureus, especially since it auto-updates itself
[11:29] <EvilIdler> Don't like running Azureus sudo ;)
[11:30] <casperisregister> I found "Adept" and I'm assuming that it is listing packages that are stored locally that I can install.  @BlankB: I'm trying to install Synergy, and someone said a second ago it is available as a package.  @dergringo: will that search online somehow?  Or just through the local packages?  Or am I not understanding this at all...
[11:30] <Blissex> casperisregister: not necessarily locally... Most will not be local.
[11:31] <casperisregister> ok, cool
[11:31] <RadiantFire> hallelujah, and praise the lord!
[11:31] <BlankB> apt-cache show synergy says pool/universe/s/synergy/synergy_1.3.1-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:31] <RadiantFire> it finally works
[11:31] <casperisregister> thanks everyone
[11:34] <casperisregister> I typed _ apt-cache search firefox _ and it said command not found...  So I typed it without the underscores, and it just went to a new line, with no visible response to what I typed.
[11:35] <casperisregister> Well...  I replaced firefox with synergy
[11:36] <dergringo> casperisregister: sudo apt-get install synergy
[11:36] <chavo> it's in universe repo
[11:38] <casperisregister> @chavo: ok, what does that mean?
[11:38] <chavo> casperisregister, some repos aren't enabled by default
[11:38] <chavo> !repos
[11:38] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:38] <casperisregister> oh, shit
[11:38] <casperisregister> you said that a minute ago
[11:38] <casperisregister> sorry man
[11:39] <chavo> np, you running dapper?
[11:39] <casperisregister> I don't know what that is.
[11:39] <casperisregister> So....  Maybe?
[11:39] <casperisregister> hehe
[11:40] <casperisregister> oh wait
[11:40] <casperisregister> is that a distro?
[11:40] <chavo> dapper is the next release of kubuntu
[11:41] <casperisregister> I am running breezy, if it is.
[11:41] <chavo> ok click on the 2nd link that ubotu gave you
[11:41] <chavo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
[11:41] <casperisregister> yea, checking that out now
[11:42] <chavo> now run this in a terminal -> sudo kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:43] <chavo> actually you should back iy up first just in case
[11:44] <casperisregister> ok
[11:44] <chavo> sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak or whatever
[11:46] <chavo> then paste the text from the text box on that page into sources.list -> replace everything there already
[11:46] <chavo> then run -> sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:46] <chavo> woops, update
[11:46] <chavo> sudo apt-get update
[11:50] <RadiantFire> does anyone know how I can get the lil volume hotkeys and thelike working on my laptop?
[11:51] <_tony> I need kernel building help
[11:51] <RadiantFire> tony_ whats your problem?
[11:51] <_tony> I compiled a custom kernel, and alsa broke
[11:51] <RadiantFire> do you select the alsa modules in the kernel?
[11:51] <_tony> I re-installed the alsa debs, but the modules for my sound card are missing
[11:52] <_tony> yeah, I selected the alsa mods in the kernel
[11:52] <RadiantFire> how about the sound card driver in the kernel?
[11:53] <_tony> I'm pretty sure ... lemme look
[11:54] <_tony> yeah, it's there (as a module)
[11:54] <_tony> oh...I think I need to re-do my kernel package using "modules_install"
[11:55] <_tony> right?
[11:55] <RadiantFire> probable
[11:55] <skircr115> hey, whats the best to have? ubuntu or kubuntu, to see what i should get.
[11:55] <RadiantFire> did you do it manually or with make-kpkg
[11:55] <RadiantFire> skircr115: matter of personal preference
[11:56] <skircr115> but which is more user friendly?
[11:56] <RadiantFire> skircr115: we're probably biased
[11:56] <RadiantFire> skircr115: that is a highly subjective question
[11:56] <RadiantFire> it is possible to have both installed simulatniously however
[11:56] <_tony> okay, one more question, and my kernel is complete:
[11:57] <skircr115> really, how?
[11:57] <_tony> On my custom kernel, I'm getting this during boot:
[11:57] <robotgeek> kde- did you know K in KDE stands for kool :) </end joke>
[11:57] <_tony> tkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make
[11:57] <_tony>  it known
[11:57] <robotgeek> RadiantFire: yes, just install ubuntu-desktop
[11:57] <skircr115> ok
[11:57] <RadiantFire> yay!
[11:57] <skircr115> thanks for the info
[11:57] <RadiantFire> my inspiron is almost fully working now :)
[11:58] <robotgeek> RadiantFire: sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop , (instead of apt-get)
[11:58] <RadiantFire> i wasn't the one asking
[11:58] <RadiantFire> my question is how to get the silly multimedia hotkeys on this laptop to do smoething
[11:59] <Isis> have you tried xmodmap?
[11:59] <Blissex> RadiantFire: it is more trouble than it is worth, leave it alone.
[12:00] <RadiantFire> i dunno, some of them work
[12:00] <robotgeek> RadiantFire: wiki has a couple of articles on it, check it out
[12:00] <RadiantFire> for instance I can use fn to make my screen change brightness
[12:00] <PyroMithrandir> RadiantFire, run xev and then hit the keys
[12:00] <RadiantFire> but I can't use fn to change volumne
[12:00] <PyroMithrandir> that way you can see if they do anything at all
[12:00] <RadiantFire> they all do something
[12:02] <RadiantFire> robotgeek: which wiki?
[12:02] <RadiantFire> there are like 5000000000
[12:02] <robotgeek> wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:02] <RadiantFire> mmm, so its de agnostic
[12:02] <RadiantFire> fun times
[12:03] <robotgeek> RadiantFire: you can look at it in a cooler style sheet if you go to wiki.kubuntu.org
[12:03] <RadiantFire> lol
[12:03] <BazziR> lol
[12:03] <auTONYmous> well I'll be damned...
[12:04] <auTONYmous> sudo make modules_install did it
[12:04] <auTONYmous> does that stick on reboot?
[12:05] <casperisregister> alright.  I'm not doing anything right, apparently.  What is the actual goal here?  Like, outside of linux specific procedures, what needs to be done for this package to be installed?  Does a local file need to be updated with the URLs listed when I type sudo apt-get update?  If I can understand what I'm really trying to accomplish, rather just copying commands and pasting them into the konsole window, I'm sure I can figure this 
[12:05] <casperisregister> that sounds rude, reading it back now
[12:05] <casperisregister> I don't mean to be rude, I promise you
[12:05] <casperisregister> I am very appreciative of the help!
[12:06] <orient2000> Hi! I have a small problem. I reinstalled and upgraded system again. When I start my system before login it says 'cannot find /usr/share/kdm/theme/kubuntu' What do I miss?
[12:06] <robotgeek> casperisregister: hmm. moment
[12:06] <auTONYmous> tkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make
[12:06] <auTONYmous>  it known
[12:06] <auTONYmous> oops
[12:07] <auTONYmous> tkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make
[12:07] <auTONYmous>  it known
[12:07] <auTONYmous> dangit
[12:07] <robotgeek> auTONYmous: what are you doing?
[12:07] <auTONYmous> stupid stuff with the mouse...
[12:07] <RadiantFire> ah, so I map them to function keys
[12:08] <auTONYmous> won't happen again..sorry
[12:08] <RadiantFire> now, question, fn- modified keys don't appear in xev
[12:08] <RadiantFire> if that key doesn't appear, does that mean I should give up
[12:09] <robotgeek> casperisregister: i would recommend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto (it has some details)
[12:10] <auTONYmous> here's a dumb question: I lost my KDE volume control icon somehow...???
[12:10] <robotgeek> auTONYmous: alt + f2, kmix
[12:10] <auTONYmous> lifesavers, all of you..
[12:11] <EvilIdler> He's an alien knowledge sponge!
[12:12] <auTONYmous> me=sponge
[12:12] <auTONYmous> kubunt > suse
[12:12] <tsume> auTONYmous: eh :P
[12:12] <tsume> ship it cds for kubuntu.. hmm
[12:13] <tsume> what does LTS mean?
[12:14] <orient2000> Hi! I have a small problem. I reinstalled and upgraded system again. When I start my system before login it says 'cannot find /usr/share/kdm/theme/kubuntu' What do I miss?
[12:14] <auTONYmous> <[12:14] <dergringo> tsume: long-term support
[12:14] <robotgeek> orient2000: maybe "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kdm" might work
[12:14] <tsume> auTONYmous: yea but sadly ;( I've to use lilo on my laptop :(
[12:15] <tsume> auTONYmous: grub doesn't work
[12:15] <orient2000> thanks
[12:15] <auTONYmous> ouch
[12:16] <auTONYmous> next mission: captive-ntfs
[12:16] <RadiantFire> auTONYmous: you don't have to use captive-ntfs
[12:17] <auTONYmous> why not?
[12:17] <tsume> I need to find a developer which can give me info on how bootloaders load their memory :/ I think its a issue with the hd booting too slow/fast or mobo issues :(
[12:17] <RadiantFire> there is a fuse driver for ntfs write access
[12:17] <tsume> RadiantFire: hmm
[12:17] <RadiantFire> I've used it to write a 2GB file to ntfs partition without corruption
[12:17] <dergringo> RadiantFire: has this driver a name? :)
[12:17] <RadiantFire> I can't remember, but there are i nstructions on the wiki
[12:17] <tsume> RadiantFire: ditto question :)
[12:17] <auTONYmous> captive DOES use fuse...what's the difference
[12:17] <RadiantFire> it relies on libntfs#
[12:17] <dennis-> any eta for xorg 7.1 packages for dapper? :)
[12:17] <RadiantFire> mmm, intruiging
[12:17] <RadiantFire> when I installed it, i didn't install captive though
[12:18] <RadiantFire> and I didn't have to find a windows driver
[12:18] <RadiantFire> it just worked
[12:18] <tsume> dergringo: I doubt they will include 7.1, probably next release
[12:18] <tsume> dennis-: ^
[12:18] <dennis-> hrm
[12:18] <tsume> ask mdz :)\
[12:18] <RadiantFire> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=142481
[12:19] <tsume> or a different developer, just don't expect any nice response. Most of them came from Debian.
[12:20] <robotgeek> you could also ask on the mailing list
[12:21] <auTONYmous> radiant: looks good...I think captive goes a step further, using a windows driver to "ensure" the NTFS version/NLS is read/written correctly
[12:21] <tsume> the mailing list is a much better palce yes :) one of the developers are less likely to give a cocky attitude because its always on the internet :)
[12:21] <RadiantFire> auTONYmous: i guess
[12:21] <RadiantFire> i wrote large files without corruption
[12:21] <RadiantFire> either way its at your own risk
[12:21] <auTONYmous> for me (with a 78GB NTFS windows dual boot), I'd rather not take any chances
[12:21] <auTONYmous> Thanks for the heads up, though
[12:22] <casperisregister> thanks, robotgeek.  That wiki explained it all.
[12:22] <tsume> I completely forgot about the ubuntu forums :)
[12:22] <casperisregister> I got it enabled, and I installed the Synergy package.
[12:22] <casperisregister> awesome
[12:22] <auTONYmous> (Captive definitely uses fuse as a basis, and uses the NT NTOSKRNL.EXE as access for read/write)
[12:22] <RadiantFire> i know, i've used both
[12:23] <RadiantFire> I had some problems with captive, not being able to delete files it created
[12:23] <crimsun> tsume: it's not cockiness. They're under extreme pressure.
[12:23] <RadiantFire> I don't use my windows partition for anything anymore though, so if it gets corrupted, I'd just reclaim and use it for /var or something
[12:23] <tsume> crimsun: one second and I'll explain
[12:24] <orient2000> It was reinstalled but it dos't work. Last directory /kubuntu still does not exist Maybe it is new KDE upgrade problem?
[12:24] <auTONYmous> I didn't have any problems...at least not yet.
[12:24] <NewToKubuntu> Where do i find a session file ? to add  compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher water ??
[12:24] <auTONYmous> I don't mount my /windows/C with write perms
[12:24] <auTONYmous> but my /windows/D has a ton of apps/games
[12:25] <xst> How stable is the current state of dapper? I consider upgrading from breezy but as I use it for work at a daily basis it should not break
[12:25] <robotgeek> xst: check it with a live cd, then upgrade?
[12:25] <auTONYmous> and my /windows/E has my mp3/xvid collection (80GB) that I sometimes play around with ID3 tags and whatnoot
[12:26] <chavo> xst, only 9 days till release you might as well wait
[12:26] <auTONYmous> I'm not willing to corrupt that /windows/E partition, so I used captive based on that
[12:27] <auTONYmous> oh, has anybody seen a method of installing Firefox 1.5.03 with upgrade ability (on breezy)?
[12:28] <h3sp4wn> just when you need to upgrade run firefox with sudo then upgrade and quit (presumes it is installed into /opt)
[12:28] <auTONYmous> so install it with the Howto from the wiki or the forums?
[12:29] <robotgeek> i think the forums howto is to discuss the wiki article?
[12:30] <casperisregister> You guys are great!  It's like this is all some foreign language to me...  On the exterior, it seems familiar, but underneath, it is drastically different.  So here's my next question, I've been poking around, now that I've got the Synergy package installed successfully, but I don't really know what to do with it.  In Windows, you install a program, then go execute it (usually through a shortcut it put in the start menu for you).
[12:30] <robotgeek> casperisregister: did you look at the synergy howto
[12:30] <casperisregister> uhh....no, no I didn't.
[12:31] <casperisregister> I will do that now.
[12:31] <casperisregister> <---- Is retarded.
[12:31] <auTONYmous> casper: RTFM used to be the old way...now you have to RTFM, then RTFHowto, plus Google, before you ask
[12:32] <RadiantFire> lol
[12:32] <RadiantFire> i hate people who say rtfm, because the manual is almos impossible to read...
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> STFW is slightly less insulting than rtfm
[12:32] <robotgeek> RadiantFire: hmm, you can always try the wiki, or the good old help menu :)
[12:33] <EvilIdler> The M in most cases is the manpage, which is just a reminder the programmer wrote to jog his memory
[12:33] <casperisregister> lol @autonymous.  understood.
[12:34] <RadiantFire> lol
[12:34] <tsume> crimsun: I went in #ubuntu-devel, which is the correct place to ask if there is a grub developer since it came with ubuntu. #ubuntu is not the place to ask, I'm not asking for support, I'm asking for a developer to clue me in on how grub loads. Grub freeze on my laptop with "GRUB" that is it. I've been using lilo, but it takes _forever_ to even load the kernel(3 minutes), and I thought the problem might be fixed in dapper(its not). I wasn't greeted wi
[12:34] <auTONYmous> tsume: are you dual-booting?
[12:34] <tsume> I almost just wanna set the bots off on all the ubuntu channels so thye can be interrupted and forced to talk somewhere else heh.
[12:35] <tsume> auTONYmous: no, straight linux :)
[12:35] <crimsun> tsume: I witnessed the entire thing. You continued to be antagonistic despite several developers' attempts to tell you that they're extremely busy, not to mention several attempted to address your question.
[12:35] <auTONYmous> and grub crashes, lilo takes years?
[12:35] <tsume> auTONYmous: I'm trying something differnt right now.. trying to have lilo load the first hard drive sector to boot grub. Grub boots when I use a livecd. which is _really_ weird
[12:36] <tsume> crimsun: yes, I know. Only because the same person was an asshole in the past. Its hard to have a nice image about a person when you know how they walk, talk, and think about others.
[12:36] <auTONYmous> tsume: because it's not reading the hard drive on a cd boot...
[12:36] <crimsun> tsume: you have a history of being a nuisance on at least two different irc networks according to different people, so the ban-evasion approach you employed in -devel is hardly likely to earn you any of the core-devs' time.
[12:36] <tsume> crimsun: I told miguel md was a cheesy sd hack :)
[12:37] <tsume> crimsun: though he does let me in the channel, he hasn't unbaned my server
[12:37] <tsume> auTONYmous: i don't know how grub works, I know how lilo works..
[12:37] <crimsun> tsume: I don't really care what you think of any of the developers, but please understand that the core-devs are under duress. The time to approach them will be post-Dapper.
[12:38] <auTONYmous> tsume: if that drive is having problems from where the MBR is placed, you may want to look at a low-level format
[12:38] <tsume> crimsun: a simple "I don't know anyone" or simply not answering my question in #ubuntu-devel would have sufficed
[12:38] <tsume> crimsun: not a cocky attitude. I don't act cocky to any of my network users, I expect the same from others.
[12:39] <crimsun> tsume: you don't have a right to expect anything from them. They're not indebted to you.
[12:39] <tsume> crimsun: and they don't have a right to treat people how they treat others.
[12:39] <tsume> crimsun: do onto others how they would do onto you
[12:40] <tsume> crimsun: I try to be really nice to people, I dont expect a cocky bs attitude, unless the person acts that way from friendship(bulgarians, etc)
[12:40] <auTONYmous> tsume: the method of asking the question ( or being a pest) determines the answer you'll get. (Cocky or not)
[12:40] <crimsun> tsume: if you're attempting to save someone's life via CPR, and someone else rushes in screaming, "My car broke down!" I think you'd be inclined to not neglect the person who needs to be saved.
[12:41] <tsume> crimsun: exactly, which would be by ignoring the person, not shooting him with a gun
[12:41] <klerfayt> tsume, SCSI disk?
[12:41] <tsume> klerfayt: if my laptop had scsi, I'd be surprised X)
[12:41] <crimsun> tsume: in any case, we're straying far off-topic here.
[12:42] <tsume> klerfayt: I've narrowed it down to 2 things: grub not able to read the hard drive(chipset), or something booting at not the right pace
[12:42] <auTONYmous> tsume: I'll give you a little example - the drive I'm booted into right now was in my wife's old PC. Chattered like a sombitch, errors everywhere. I low-level formatted, and no problems since
[12:42] <klerfayt> tsume, bios is updated?
[12:42] <tsume> auTONYmous: I thought I tried a low lever format before.
[12:43] <tsume> klerfayt: you betcha.. since theres no floppy drive, I spent 4 hours getting a way to update my bios :(
[12:43] <auTONYmous> tsume: if you weren't using a maxtor/seagate/western digital DOS utility...you weren't low-level formatting
[12:43] <tsume> auTONYmous: its toshiba :)
[12:43] <auTONYmous> same diff. the manufacturers utilities (sometimes) work no matter who made the drive
[12:44] <auTONYmous> use the WD if you can get your hands on it.
[12:44] <klerfayt> tsume, create a bug report?
[12:44] <auTONYmous> google: Hiren's Boot CD
[12:45] <auTONYmous> I'm not advocating destroying all your data, but a bad sector near the MBR could be your problem
[12:46] <auTONYmous> brb
[12:49] <tsume> auTONYmous: if it works.. I'm a gonna beat myself silly
[12:49] <tsume> klerfayt: if I created a bug report, they would pass it off as "Cannot replicate"
[12:49] <klerfayt> tsume, ?why you think so
[12:50] <tsume> klerfayt: its what I would do :)
[12:50] <tsume> I develop, and I mark it off as such :)
[12:51] <klerfayt> tsume, send a letter to toshiba?
[12:51] <tsume> klerfayt: I'd get this... "Dear sir, please use the operating system which was preinstalled with your machine"
[12:51] <tsume> which was XP Home
[12:53] <klerfayt> tsume, have you searched really hard in teg interweb?
[12:55] <tsume> klerfayt: you bet I have. I looked everywhere
[12:55] <klerfayt> tsume, and nothing similar has nappenef before?
[12:55] <tsume> klerfayt: however, let me try finding a toshiba tool to zero out this drive. That is the only thing I haven't tried, but the thing is... when Fedora installs grub, it works..
[12:56] <tsume> klerfayt: has happened every time I try installing grub. lilo works :) Which is why I'm trying to find a grub developer.
[12:57] <klerfayt> tsume, ehat filesystem you use?
[12:57] <klerfayt> tsume, *what
[12:58] <tsume> klerfayt: ext3, I've tried ext2, and reiserfs4
[01:09] <stevekl> Is there a reason why my machine shut itself off by itself?
[01:10] <godlkwrth> cpu temperature too high
[01:11] <stevekl> hm
[01:11] <godlkwrth> perhaps
[01:11] <stevekl> I got a "root is broadcasting shutdown to all terminals" (or whatever) message
[01:11] <stevekl> so the operating system knew about it and executed 'shutdown'
[01:11] <godlkwrth> oh you don't get a warning if cpu temps are too high
[01:12] <stevekl> yeah
[01:12] <stevekl> linux just turned itself off then
[01:13] <godlkwrth> that message leads me to believe that someone acting as root shutdown your machine
[01:13] <godlkwrth> you don't have any remote users do you?
[01:13] <stevekl> Well is there a way to see any log-in logs?
[01:14] <godlkwrth> yeah
[01:14] <godlkwrth> "last"
[01:14] <EvilIdler> stevekl: Check your syslog and messages around the time of the shutdown to see if anything strange is reported
[01:15] <stevekl> ok
[01:15] <tsume> omg
[01:16] <tsume> klerfayt: this sounds odd, do you know if controllers in laptops are secondary or primary in the BIOS?
[01:16] <stevekl> May 23 16:03:42 localhost kernel: [4297774.752000]  Critical temperature reached (101 C), shutting down
[01:16] <stevekl> Well i'll be!
[01:16] <stevekl> thanks
[01:16] <stevekl> now I know what happened
[01:16] <EvilIdler> Smeggin' L!
[01:16] <EvilIdler> That CPU is *cooked*
[01:16] <godlkwrth> yeah that's a little high
[01:16] <EvilIdler> Scrape off all thermal paste when it's cool, then re-apply.
[01:17] <klerfayt> tsume, I know nothing about laptop controllers or grub :)
[01:17] <EvilIdler> I've never seen a CPU that high still run.
[01:17] <godlkwrth> EvilIdler: THe heatsink probably came loose or something and shutdown just in time
[01:17] <godlkwrth> It wouldn't have been at the temperature for any extended amount of time I don't think
[01:17] <EvilIdler> Yeah, probably. If it's Intel, it'll be fine. If it's AMD, start checking for prices of new ones :)
[01:18] <stevekl> um
[01:18] <stevekl> what should I do?
[01:18] <godlkwrth> check your heatsink+fan
[01:18] <godlkwrth> reapply thermal grease like he said
[01:19] <stevekl> acpi tells me that the CPU is at 51 C right now
[01:19] <EvilIdler> You most likely have the patch that comes with the fan, which is fairly useless. Buying som Arctic Silver should be much better.
[01:19] <stevekl> Is that too high?
[01:19] <EvilIdler> stevekl: Depends. What CPU do you have?
[01:20] <EvilIdler> My AMD64 has a running temperature of around 34 degrees. My Athlon XP usually 50+. My Pentium IV around 40.
[01:20] <RadiantFire> how do you determine these temperatures?
[01:20] <EvilIdler> Getting an XP down to 45 degrees is a true blessing :)
[01:20] <EvilIdler> Check in BIOS or use lmsensors and tools
[01:20] <RadiantFire> i tried installing lm_sensors and it just says "fail" on setting sensor limits
[01:21] <PyroMithrandir> your mobo may not have them
[01:21] <dom> chip should operate up to 70-90 degrees depending on the chip, iirc.  so 51c is fine if it doesn't rapidly get hotter
[01:22] <EvilIdler> 65 degrees while playing a 3D game is the safest max I can recommend for an AMD, for example
[01:23] <PyroMithrandir> my amd sempron runs at ~40c with my fan at about half speed
[01:23] <PyroMithrandir> I mean, that's just normal usage
[01:23] <EvilIdler> PyroMithrandir: Yeah, sounds about right. The newest AMDs are really cool, in so many ways.
[01:23] <PyroMithrandir> if I start running high intensity stuff it'll go up
[01:23] <PyroMithrandir> ah, mine isn't the newest, though
[01:23] <PyroMithrandir> it's a socket A
[01:24] <EvilIdler> Well, Sempron is of the newer method
[01:24] <EvilIdler> XP is the old, hot one
[01:24] <PyroMithrandir> well, yeah, but of the semprons, my is the oldest
[01:24] <EvilIdler> And it can survive longer because it's cooler :)
[01:24] <PyroMithrandir> I have fancontrol set up to kick up to full speed around 50c
[01:25] <stevekl> Yeah my chipset fan was stopped
[01:25] <stevekl> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[01:26] <stevekl> That's going to be about as easy to fix as broken vase
[01:26] <stevekl> I hate abit.
[01:29] <RadiantFire> lol
[01:56] <RadiantFire> hey nixternal
[01:56] <nixternal> sup sup
[01:56] <nixternal> i see you got it working
[01:57] <nixternal> what ended up fixing it?  changing out ndiswrapper (goin' back) or kernel upgrade
[01:57] <tsume> awesome, just awesome :) definitely getting some shipit cds :)
[01:58] <RadiantFire> well
[01:58] <RadiantFire> it was a long fight
[01:59] <RadiantFire> I compiled a kernel
[01:59] <RadiantFire> which failed to mount my root fs
[01:59] <RadiantFire> and then it occured to me I could compile ndiswrapper with just kernel-headers
[01:59] <RadiantFire> so I did that, and it worked
[02:00] <RadiantFire> the only things I have to do now are figure out how to get the multimedia hotkeys working and fix my screensaver so it doesn't only appear in the top left corner
[02:01] <nixternal`cookin> yay
[02:01] <nixternal`cookin> hahah...ndiswrapper=the pain
[02:01] <RadiantFire> i have no idea why the screensaver is wacked though
[02:01] <RadiantFire> its an opengl, but glxgears works properly
[02:02] <RadiantFire> and my glx module is loaded properly...
[02:02] <RadiantFire> silly integrated intel
[02:02] <nixternal`cookin> hahahaha...AMD ownz
[02:03] <RadiantFire> i'm getting excellent performance though
[02:04] <RadiantFire> my battery life has actually been increasing for the last 1/2 hour despite the fact im u nplugged :)
[02:06] <tsume> RadiantFire: my laptop lasts 3 hours, 2:30 with wireless on. its a 15.4"
[02:08] <RadiantFire> I'm seeing how long t his will last
[02:08] <RadiantFire> its been off battery power for about 2.5 h and still has 77% charge
[02:08] <RadiantFire> the only thing I got non-stock was a larger battery
[02:10] <HymnToLife> tsume> and with BOINC running at full power ? :p
[02:11] <tsume> RadiantFire: actively using it, like writing?
[02:11] <tsume> HymnToLife: hell no :P
[02:11] <tsume> HymnToLife: I'm using limited power on a centrino.
[02:12] <RadiantFire> tsume, i'm on it right now
[02:12] <tsume> HymnToLife: however.. this is an early model.. the other one I use doesn't steal the life from my battery :(
[02:12] <tsume> and omg
[02:12] <RadiantFire> i set it down for abou an hour to eat dinner
[02:12] <tsume> the guy who helped me earlier was right
[02:12] <tsume> zero'ing the MBR fixed grub
[02:12] <RadiantFire> I'm gonna code on it now for a while, since I have my samba shares
[02:13] <tsume> RadiantFire: tell me, what is your laptop?
[02:13] <tsume> *would you tell me
[02:13] <tsume> crap :) screwy english today
[02:14] <RadiantFire> insprion e1405
[02:15] <tsume> RadiantFire: that is a home system...
[02:16] <tsume> RadiantFire: my battery is a 6 cell.. I wish I had a larger battery :)
[02:16] <tsume> a 12 cell would last a hell longer time :)
[02:16] <RadiantFire> mine is 85WHrs
[02:16] <RadiantFire> I'm not sure how much wattage the the computer actually drins
[02:16] <tsume> oh, mine is very small, I think 35
[02:16] <RadiantFire> but it says 8 hours
[02:16] <RadiantFire> which is obviously fully powered down
[02:17] <RadiantFire> part of my experiment tonight is to see how long it will run
[02:18] <nixternal> mine will run for about 15 minutes ;D
[02:18] <nixternal> i so need to get a new one
[02:18] <RadiantFire> lol
[02:18] <tsume> even here in Homer, Alaska
[02:18] <nixternal> haha...same here tsume
[02:18] <RadiantFire> yay, I get x events out of the multimedia hotkeys:)
[02:18] <tsume> I'm always near power :)
[02:18] <nixternal> even got the hotkeys workin' i take it
[02:18] <RadiantFire> not working
[02:18] <RadiantFire> i just know I can
[02:18] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:18] <RadiantFire> i found a wiki article
[02:19] <nixternal> cool...point me in the right direction
[02:19] <RadiantFire> first step is to execute xev from a terminal and see if pressing the buttons does anything
[02:19] <nixternal> cuz i might go pick up this compact later..they want like $500 and it is a wide screen...
[02:19] <RadiantFire> one second
[02:19] <nixternal> that would be perfect
[02:20] <nixternal> ok vmware freaks..how to i get a higher resolution once installed???  all i have listed is 640x480 when i try through solaris
[02:20] <nixternal> i haven't researched it enough yet
[02:20] <nixternal> maybe later....
[02:21] <RadiantFire> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MultimediaKeys?highlight=%28multimedia%29
[02:22] <neoncode> What program can I use that can: Play video and music, supports most formats, can orginise my media collecton, Rip CD's, sync with my Creative Zen and be easy to use?
[02:22] <tsume> hmmmmmm
[02:23] <tsume> neoncode: mm, can banshee do that?
[02:23] <tsume> neoncode: its a mono based program
[02:23] <RadiantFire> banshee doesn't do video
[02:23] <RadiantFire> amarok can do all that except for playing video
[02:23] <tsume> oh
[02:24] <tsume> RadiantFire: yeah? :)
[02:24] <nixternal> kaffeine???
[02:24] <tsume> heheheh
[02:24] <neoncode> RadiantFire: How do I get amaroK to sync with my Zen, and Rip CD's?
[02:24] <nixternal> my thoughts exactly
[02:24] <nixternal> i got it..iTunes does that all taht ;)
[02:24] <tsume> I really hated all the apps like kaffiene for a long time just because stupid gstreamer
[02:24] <RadiantFire> I beleive the new 1.4 series can do it
[02:24] <tsume> 0.8, now there is 0.10, and its working properly
[02:24] <RadiantFire> lol, don't use gstreamer... its evil
[02:24] <tsume> 0.8 was a huge mistake to release
[02:25] <RadiantFire> xine > gstreamer all the way
[02:25] <tsume> RadiantFire: well now it works correctly
[02:25] <nixternal> i use xine..but to play m4a and that crap...you need to use gstreamer
[02:25] <RadiantFire> you know I wonder whats gonna happen to all the video apps once phonon goes into place
[02:25] <CyberSix> if amarok doesn't kzenexplorer will
[02:25] <neoncode> RadiantFire: How the hell do I get 1.4 on breezy... Actualy... I'll just download the fight 7 Install CD(The Live CD won't work)...
[02:25] <Bilford> I wonder if anyone will say at Lloyd Bentsen's funeral "I knew Lloyd Bentsen...  Lloyd Bentsen was a friend of mine"
[02:25] <RadiantFire> neoncode: well, Dapper comes out in 9 days :)
[02:25] <tsume> RadiantFire: was fixed very quickly after 0.8, but they should have made an announcement on trolldot "to everyone using gstreamer, we are stupid wankers for releasing 0.8. We're sorry, please use the latest bugfix version"
[02:25] <RadiantFire> lol
[02:26] <Bilford> oh sorry
[02:26] <Bilford> ARRRGGG
[02:26] <Bilford> I keeep poosting in the wrong channels
[02:26] <RadiantFire> ao
[02:26] <neoncode> RadiantFire: Sudo apt-get dist-upgrade will solve that in 9 days. Pluss I'm board and I want to play with Xgl
[02:26] <tsume> ubuntu is almost finished installing. yay :)
[02:26] <tsume> using dapper flight7 :)
[02:27] <RadiantFire> does transparency work in 3.5.2 yet?
[02:27] <nixternal> huh
[02:27] <tsume> :( so when do they release KDE4 based on qt4? :(
[02:27] <nixternal> everyting i have is transparent...cept for konversation
[02:27] <CyberSix> neoncode: i use kzenexplorer to sync my zen, dunno if *ubuntu has it tho
[02:27] <RadiantFire> i still have nightmares from enable transparency in kcontrol and having xorg crash when I clicked a view bubble from kopete
[02:27] <tsume> RadiantFire: hehe
[02:28] <nixternal> i don't chat..so i don't use kopete and that stuff
[02:28] <nixternal> if people need me...they email me...or come here to irc
[02:30] <nixternal`shower> bbiaf
[02:31] <nixternal`shower> time to go clean some more ;p
[02:31] <MasterEvilAce> damn! kubuntu won't boot again
[02:31] <_Clint> Hey
[02:31] <neoncode> w00t downloading kubuntu flight 7 text mode install CD..
[02:31] <tsume> MasterEvilAce: what is it doin?
[02:32] <RadiantFire> go neoncode go!
[02:32] <Sythen> Hmm
[02:33] <tsume> I'll have to give kubuntu a try
[02:33] <tsume> I"m switching this medical center to linux
[02:33] <tsume> all the desktops too
[02:35] <Bilford> why
[02:35] <tsume> Bilford: the cost of onership is nickel and diming my tech funds
[02:35] <Riddell> tsume: cool
[02:35] <tsume> *ownership for windows
[02:36] <Riddell> tsume: let me know if you have any problems
[02:36] <tsume> gotta buy this, gotta buy that, need upgrades, need upgrades agan
[02:36] <Bilford> yeah
[02:36] <tsume> I'm tired of getting nickel and dimed to death
[02:36] <tsume> I'd rather be spending money or time on coding opensource software for the company
[02:36] <tsume> which is what I'm doing, and they even pay me extra
[02:37] <Bilford> have you used LInux much
[02:37] <tsume> I need to create a program similar to 123employee scheduler
[02:37] <Bilford> or are you new
[02:37] <tsume> Bilford: I've used *BSD since 99
[02:37] <Bilford> oh
[02:37] <tsume> linux since late 00
[02:37] <Bilford> Linux veteran
[02:37] <tsume> I"d switch them all to BSD, but neither KDE or GNOME are tied well to FreeBSD HAL :)
[02:38] <RadiantFire> tsume, they are workingon that :)
[02:38] <MasterEvilAce> tsume: gets to kubuntu progress bar loading screen. finishes, goes to blinking cursor, then goes back to kubuntu screen w/ progress bar, bar not filled, and no text under it (loading, etc.).. doesn't go any further
[02:38] <tsume> "oh, yes open a console windows and type sudo mount /dev/cd0c /mnt/cdrom" isn't going to cut it :)
[02:39] <tsume> MasterEvilAce: oh noes :(
[02:39] <RadiantFire> tsume, I read on zdnet th ey are trying to get gnome-volume-manager up and running on FreeBSD
[02:39] <MasterEvilAce> tsume: i started linux, ran adept (it said new updates).. download them, it errors at some point.. so i close it and restart, and now it won't boot
[02:39] <RadiantFire> so all you hae to do is set vfs.usermount = 1 and voila, BSD automount
[02:39] <MasterEvilAce> tsume: adept (i tried starting it again before i rebooted), it said the "database is locked" or something
[02:39] <tsume> RadiantFire: yeah, I know how to use automounting
[02:39] <tsume> RadiantFire: however there is the fact BSD doesn't have a unlock cdrom utility from the settings ;(
[02:40] <Bilford> sometimes when I put in a DVD, it doesnt mount, and sometimes it does
[02:40] <RadiantFire> thats unfortunate
[02:40] <Bilford> so I just put a DVD icon link on my desktop, that I can right-click and select Mount
[02:40] <tsume> I'm still planning it all out
[02:40] <Bilford> I hate when things work sometimes, and sometimes not
[02:40] <Bilford> it makes no sense
[02:40] <tsume> I'm switching the file servers too
[02:41] <tsume> this is going to be a very heavy task
[02:41] <theverant> I'm sure you guys hear this a lot but... I can't get translucency to work - can anyone help me out?
[02:41] <tsume> we had a symantec subscription, yuck
[02:41] <tsume> symantec only catches 43% os viruses
[02:41] <tsume> *of
[02:41] <Bilford> does LInux get viruses?
[02:41] <tsume> kaspersky catch 98% :)
[02:41] <tsume> and its also cheaper
[02:41] <tsume> being a russian company its cool
[02:41] <Sythen> I have a problem with using a mac style menubar
[02:41] <RadiantFire> did they every decide if that code they found was actually a virus?
[02:42] <JBirdAngel> hello, is kde the most windows like set up? and which version(distribution?) and kubuntu and suse are realitively for a new linux user coming from windows? what kind of things am i looking at for differences between distros, also is linux smaller than windows? but it takes about teh same time to load from teh computer being turned on right? thank you
[02:42] <tsume> Bilford: yes
[02:42] <Sythen> it splits into two
[02:42] <tsume> Bilford: a virus is just a program which runs unauthorized
[02:42] <tsume> Bilford: kaspersky is for linux too :)
[02:42] <Bilford> ok
[02:42] <Sythen> meh
[02:42] <Bilford> JBirdAngel, some people say Gnome is more like Windows, some say KDE
[02:42] <tsume> Bilford: what...
[02:42] <theverant> tsume - there's a much lower chance of getting a virus for linux than Windows, though?
[02:42] <tsume> Bilford: GNOME is like MacOSX
[02:43] <Bilford> On the forums
[02:43] <tsume> Bilford: if you compare apps.. GNOME steals much of the MacoSX design
[02:43] <Sythen> my internet seems slow, like loading pages in Konqueror takes a long time while in Windows it is faast
[02:43] <tsume> KDE uses the Windows design
[02:43] <Bilford> ok
[02:43] <Sythen> tsume: that is so untrue
[02:43] <Bilford> see
[02:43] <tsume> well, its a bit different, but it was grafted from it
[02:43] <tsume> the idea
[02:43] <Bilford> no one can agree on this issue
[02:43] <theverant> Why does it matter which is like which how?
[02:43] <tsume> Sythen: Gnome was based on MacOSX design
[02:43] <Sythen> tsume: have you heard of baghira?
[02:43] <tsume> theverant: it doesn't
[02:43] <theverant> people get way too hung up on that stuff IMO
[02:43] <tsume> Sythen: yes
[02:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, what's the topic? :)
[02:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> DE wars? :P
[02:44] <RadiantFire> aparently
[02:44] <tsume> Sythen: I'm talking User interface documents, not look
[02:44] <tsume> UI papers != look
[02:44] <tsume> its usability
[02:44] <RadiantFire> intuiging
[02:44] <theverant> is it important to define how much video RAM you have in xorg,conf?
[02:44] <tsume> RythmBox looks like the music player from macosx..
[02:45] <RadiantFire> theverant: not really, unless there are problems
[02:45] <RadiantFire> the only thing rhythmbox has going for it is the ability to use daap
[02:45] <casperisregister> I don't know why I got disconnected.  Did anyone answer in my absense?  Or did my question even go through?
[02:45] <tsume> RadiantFire: I really don't like rythmbox, or the release which was in ubuntu before. It just didn't seem featureful
[02:46] <RadiantFire> the new version is better
[02:46] <RadiantFire> has a queue
[02:46] <tsume> RadiantFire: I'll try it once I get everything installed back :)
[02:46] <RadiantFire> some nice features
[02:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, rythmbox seems featureless...amarok does more, and looks better :)
[02:46] <Bilford> is amarok better than XMMS
[02:46] <tsume> CheeseBurgerMan: no argument there :)
[02:46] <RadiantFire> It'll be cool when amarok has daap support
[02:46] <tsume> Bilford: yes..
[02:46] <Bilford> hm
[02:46] <tsume> Bilford: unless you're talking about xmms2 :)
[02:47] <casperisregister> I'm assuming nobody even saw my question about gcc?  The second I sent it through I was disconnected...
[02:47] <RadiantFire> i didn't
[02:47] <RadiantFire> what was y our question
[02:47] <tsume> casperisregister: I didn't see it
[02:47] <casperisregister> ok
[02:47] <Bilford> I just automatically switched to XMMS because I just switched from Windows, and XMMS is like WinAmp
[02:47] <casperisregister> it was really long
[02:47] <casperisregister> I'll type it again
[02:47] <tsume> Bilford: try amarok
[02:47] <Bilford> what about video players?  I use VLC
[02:47] <tsume> Bilford: also rythmbox, they are both decent
[02:47] <RadiantFire> Bilford: definately, amarok has things winamp couldn't dream of
[02:47] <tsume> Bilford: there is kaffine
[02:47] <RadiantFire> Bilford: I would say kmplayer or kaffeine
[02:48] <JBirdAngel> my understadning is that kde is better for graphic design stuff?
[02:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kaffine here
[02:48] <Bilford> ok
[02:48] <tsume> I'm really bad on spelling today :/
[02:48] <RadiantFire> kaffeine is nice because of its queue
[02:48] <RadiantFire> but I wish they would fix that bug where it crashes konq when your close the window
[02:48] <RadiantFire> really annoying
[02:48] <Bilford> erm what
[02:48] <CheeseBurgerMan> Kaffeine came with it, and I don't watch much video. It's not worth it to install another player :)
[02:48] <tsume> RadiantFire: uhoh, is it the next nautilus? :P
[02:49] <RadiantFire> lol
[02:49] <JBirdAngel> kubunut/suse/mandriva these are called distros short for distributuions(sp) right?  what is it i should be looking at to compare different distros?
[02:49] <Bilford> I watch lots of video
[02:49] <Bilford> many formats
[02:49] <RadiantFire> tsume: its ok to crash during shutdown :)
[02:49] <tsume> JBirdAngel: ease of use, how often they update packages
[02:49] <Sythen> is there a Qt based web browser besides konq?
[02:49] <Bilford> xvid divx ogm etc
[02:49] <tsume> RadiantFire: hehe
[02:49] <tsume> Sythen: Opera :)
[02:49] <Sythen> hmm
[02:49] <Sythen> well my internet seems slow in linux
[02:49] <Sythen> dont know why
[02:49] <tsume> Sythen: was fast for me
[02:49] <RadiantFire> tsume: the only unacceptalbe crash I've seen in konqueror was in browsesr mode, there is some arbitrary hover effect that does it
[02:50] <RadiantFire> they may have fixed it, that was a while ago
[02:50] <Bilford> sounds like you had a preview configured weird
[02:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> RadiantFire: I don't think so...but I may have been using KDE 3.4 at the time I tried it.
[02:50] <tsume> RadiantFire: I used to be able to send emails to kmail users which crashed X11 :)
[02:50] <RadiantFire> thats fun
[02:50] <tsume> now that was funny
[02:50] <RadiantFire> I like kmail though, except sometimes I get the sam e-mail like 20 times
[02:50] <tsume> you couldn't delete them
[02:50] <RadiantFire> which is kind of annoying
[02:50] <JBirdAngel> okay thank you
[02:51] <Sythen> tsume: loading pages takes a long time (like looking up the host), not all images are loaded in a webpage, and I get random errors about unknown host
[02:51] <RadiantFire> tsume, your mean
[02:51] <Bilford> I like Konversation for IRC
[02:51] <RadiantFire> what did you do?
[02:51] <tsume> even if you disabled the viewing pane.. click on the subject and it crashes :P
[02:51] <Bilford> the only thing they need to change in Konversation is to provide a list of servers
[02:51] <tsume> Sythen: how odd
[02:51] <casperisregister> Synergy package is installed.  Configured it, got it running, all was well.  Except that the package included synergy 1.2.2 which is pretty old and doesn't have the features I love about synergy in it.  I enabled all the repos and that is the only package that shows up in adept.  I was, however, able to download a deb file from another source.  When I right click on that file, and go to install package -continued
[02:51] <tsume> Sythen: well now Opera is free :)
[02:51] <RadiantFire> i enjoy KvIRC
[02:52] <RadiantFire> but so huge and takes forever to load
[02:52] <Sythen> tsume: is it possible to install opera with apt?
[02:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sythen: Not AFAIK.
[02:52] <tsume> Sythen: I don't recommend it. Opera has a deb file available
[02:52] <CheeseBurgerMan> There may be some repo available, but it's not in the official repos. (at least for amd64)
[02:52] <casperisregister> it tells me synergy depends on gcc 4.0.2 and system version is 4.0.1-4ubuntu9
[02:52] <Sythen> hmm >.>
[02:53] <casperisregister> and the only packages I can obtain for gcc are 4.0.1
[02:53] <casperisregister> I've scoured the net, and all I seem to find is people saying to upgrade to dapper
[02:53] <EvilIdler> I'm using the Ubuntu package of Opera from the Opera site. Works fine.
[02:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> EvilIdler: Same here.
[02:53] <casperisregister> is there no other way to get 4.0.2 onto breezy?
[02:53] <tsume> its amazing how well ubuntu is spreading :)
[02:53] <tsume> ubuntu is the next defacto for sure
[02:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> casperisregister: The latest is 4.1...not sure how to get it though.
[02:53] <Bilford> Ubuntu is going to spread like crazy with Dapper
[02:53] <Sythen> graaaaaaaaah
[02:54] <RadiantFire> that makes me happy
[02:54] <theverant> oh many this translucency thing is so very sweet
[02:54] <Sythen> it takes like 10 seconds before konq even started to load opera.com
[02:54] <EvilIdler> I'm doing my bit to infect people's computers with it when Dapper is released >:)
[02:54] <tsume> where is canonical based anyhow?
[02:54] <tsume> EvilIdler: I'll send out the linux2fbsd infector :P
[02:55] <tsume> EvilIdler: its a evil virus(tm) someone made :)
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> EvilIdler: Yeah, I'm working on my brother...he want to install Linux, but his comp has 32MB RAM w/ a 400MHz PII :(
[02:55] <tsume> CheeseBurgerMan: ouch
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah.
[02:55] <EvilIdler> CheeseBurgerMan: Xubuntu for him, then
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Slackware won't work for him. ;)
[02:55] <Sythen> CheeseBurgerMan: what does it run now?
[02:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sythen: Win98
[02:55] <GaiaX11> How can i configure another linux computer remotely? Through ssh?
[02:55] <tsume> CheeseBurgerMan: EOL for win98 updates are in July :)
[02:56] <Bilford> isnt Linux better for slower computers than Windows?
[02:56] <tsume> GaiaX11: sure :)
[02:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> EvilIdler: The Kubuntu install freezes...I tried it
[02:56] <Sythen> *bleh* windows 98 :-(
[02:56] <Sythen> CheeseBurgerMan: were you doing the server install?
[02:56] <EvilIdler> CheeseBurgerMan: Did you try Xubuntu? Note the X for XFCE
[02:56] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sythen: Yep
[02:56] <casperisregister> cheeseburgerman:  Should I just try to track down a deb file for 4.1?  I'm completely in the woods, with linux (this is my first day to ever even see it), so thanks for helping.  The pieces of how this works are falling into place with the help of manuals, howtos, google, and this room.
[02:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> casperisregister: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=gcc <--- If you're lucky, the 'testing' or 'unstable' deb from there will work.
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> which are 4.0.3 (unstable) and 4.0.2 (testing)
[02:58] <casperisregister> oh..sweet
[02:58] <casperisregister> thank you very much
[02:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> Not a problem, but let's see if it works first. ;)
[02:58] <casperisregister> hehe ok
[02:59] <tsume> :(
[02:59] <tsume> how slow
[02:59] <tsume> updating at 290kB/s
[02:59] <CheeseBurgerMan> What are ya updating?
[02:59] <tsume> everything since the flight7 release
[03:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah
[03:00] <tsume> only 200 megs left :/
[03:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
[03:00] <tsume> at least my laptop is able to use grub now
[03:01] <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, that's always good :)
[03:01] <tsume> auTONYmous gave me a solution, but only because his sister's computer did the same thing. "GRUB" would show and freeze
[03:01] <tsume> and nobody else on the published internet ran in to the problem nor had a solution
[03:02] <tsume> I had to zero out my MBR
[03:02] <tsume> best thing since sliced bread
[03:03] <RadiantFire> lol
[03:03] <RadiantFire> why did you have to zero it?
[03:03] <RadiantFire> thats silly
[03:03] <EvilIdler> That would indicate a bug in Grub
[03:03] <tsume> RadiantFire: it kept Grub from working. "GRUB" would show on a black screen adn freeze right there
[03:03] <RadiantFire> thats no good
[03:04] <tsume> EvilIdler: correct, a bug in the install process. Lilo would work fine
[03:04] <tsume> and lilo had to load the whole kernel very slowly, taking 3 minutes to just load the kernel(not boot)
[03:05] <tsume> I used some hacker's(coder) tool to zero out my MBR :) there were al sorts of leet warnings like "Are you this stupid?(Y/N)"
[03:05] <RadiantFire> thats entertaining
[03:06] <tsume> it was totally leet :)
[03:07] <RadiantFire> lol
[03:08] <Bilford> whats the command to restart kicker
[03:08] <tsume> Bilford: hit alt f2
[03:08] <tsume> type kicker, hit enter
[03:09] <Bilford> ok thx
[03:09] <tsume> np
[03:09] <Bilford> but, what if it's already running
[03:09] <Bilford> I want to 'reboot' kicker
[03:09] <xtacocorex> bilford, you could also do in the terminal the following dcop kicker kicker restart
[03:09] <Bilford> ok
[03:10] <tsume> Bilford: oh oops :) heh
[03:10] <conn> I'm trying to compile something, and I get this error when running autogen.sh: "aclocal: configure.ac: 106: macro `AM_CFLAGS' not found in library" - does anyone know what dev packages I need to install?
[03:10] <Bilford> hm... wheres Kaffine
[03:10] <tsume> in suse kicker used to crash all the time in me because some packager was a waneker, so I assumed it crashed on you :)
[03:10] <Bilford> it didnt crash
[03:10] <Bilford> I installed some new programs and theyre not appearing in the menu
[03:11] <Bilford> I guess Kaffine and Amarok need a  relog
[03:11] <EvilIdler> They'll turn up eventually
[03:11] <Bilford> why eventually
[03:12] <Bilford> does the system internally refresh at set intervals
[03:12] <EvilIdler> Don't ask why. They refresh eventually for me.
[03:19] <tsume> hmmm
[03:19] <tsume> is decss available in any of the ubuntu repositories?
[03:19] <tsume> I don't remember how I installed it last time
[03:20] <Sythen> hey
[03:20] <Sythen> how do I install gnome?
[03:20] <PyroMithrandir> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:21] <Sythen> okay
[03:21] <PyroMithrandir> well, that will give you gnome and a bunch of gnome stuff
[03:21] <Snake__> Bilford: are you on breezy?
[03:21] <Sythen> cause im gonna switch just because I want xchat so bad
[03:21] <Bilford> Snake__,  no
[03:21] <PyroMithrandir> you can run xchat with kde
[03:21] <PyroMithrandir> I am right now
[03:21] <Snake__> Sythen: xchat runs on kde
[03:21] <Sythen> i looove xchat, sorry konversation
[03:21] <Sythen> i know
[03:21] <Sythen> but i also am going to try gnome
[03:21] <Snake__> Bilford: dapper?
[03:21] <Bilford> yes
[03:22] <Sythen> kde has too many bugs
[03:22] <Bilford> I like Konversaation
[03:22] <Snake__> Bilford: fully updated right?
[03:22] <Snake__> irssi ftw
[03:22] <Bilford> yes
[03:22] <Bilford> bleeding edge
[03:22] <PyroMithrandir> I should probably update, I'm a few days old behind ;)
[03:22] <tsume> irssi here too
[03:23] <Snake__> tsume: irssi+screen+yakuake = best IRC client ever
[03:23] <Snake__> Bilford: odd...it should be auto updating :(
[03:23] <Bilford> how can I make it update
[03:23] <Bilford> relog in?
[03:23] <Snake__> That never worked for me
[03:23] <Snake__> Perhaps go ask in #KDE
[03:24] <Snake__> it did that to me in breezy, I had to restart each time, quite annoying
[03:24] <PyroMithrandir> sometimes programs don't get added to the kicker and you have to add them yourself
[03:24] <PyroMithrandir> erm, s/kicker/k menu
[03:24] <tsume> Snake__: I just use xterm+screen+irssi
[03:24] <Bilford> ok, Ill try that
[03:24] <Snake__> tsume: just as good :)
[03:25] <Snake__> Mmmm gimpy goodness
[03:26] <Bilford> anyone here Usenet downloaders?
[03:27] <Snake__> No sir, torrent 4 life
[03:27] <Bilford> trying to find a good system for par2 repair
[03:27] <Bilford> Im currently using QuickPar in Wine
[03:29] <Sythen> sudo: timestamp too far in the future: May 24 06:36:51 2006
[03:29] <Sythen> what does that mean?
[03:30] <Sythen> meh
[03:30] <Sythen> this is messed up
[03:30] <PyroMithrandir> that means you've travelled forward in time
[03:30] <PyroMithrandir> you probably were speeding in your delorian on the way home
[03:31] <Sythen> lol
[03:31] <Sythen> i changed the clock, but that is because it was like 6 hours ahead
[03:32] <PyroMithrandir> well, that might have something to do with it
[03:42] <JohnCro13> hey room.
[03:42] <JohnCro13> TV tuner card issue!~
[03:43] <JohnCro13> I run KDEtv or TVtime and my screen instantly goes completely black!
[03:43] <JBirdAngel> what is breezy? ubuntu breezy / kubuntu breezy?
[03:43] <tsume> hmmmmmmmm
[03:44] <EvilIdler> Yes
[03:44] <JohnCro13> breezy is the version before dapper.
[03:45] <JohnCro13> get it?
[03:46] <JohnCro13> like Windows 98 is before me or 200 or xp...
[03:46] <JohnCro13> same concept.
[03:47] <Ican> JohnCro13:  You aren't talking to me, are you?
[03:47] <Ican> what the hell
[03:48] <JohnCro13> no.
[03:48] <JohnCro13> I was responding to JBirtAngel's question.
[03:48] <Ican> My name was casperisregister...I got disconnected
[03:48] <Ican> ok
[03:48] <Ican> Now casperisregister is still in the room.....interesting
[03:49] <JohnCro13> can you help me?
[03:49] <JBirdAngel> JohnCro13: okay thank you
[03:49] <JohnCro13> actually, can anyone help me?
[03:49] <Ican> What's your problem, johncro?
[03:49] <Ican> I missed most of your question
[03:49] <JohnCro13> lol.
[03:50] <JohnCro13> I run KDEtv or TVtime and my screen instantly goes completely black!
[03:50] <EvilIdler> What X driver?
[03:51] <JohnCro13> Evil...directed toward me?
[03:51] <EvilIdler> Yep
[03:51] <JohnCro13> fglrx
[03:51] <JohnCro13> but I have a tuner card too.  Separate.
[03:52] <EvilIdler> Yes, but I've had issues with my tuner card, depending on what graphics driver I used
[03:52] <JohnCro13> ah...
[03:52] <EvilIdler> Bog-standard open driver, crash. NVidia's taint, perfectly fine.
[03:52] <JohnCro13> bttv
[03:52] <JohnCro13> I have an 878 card.
[03:52] <EvilIdler> Good old Hauppauge 878 here
[03:54] <JohnCro13> what section in Xorg.conf is that?
[03:54] <JohnCro13> because I can't find anything.
[03:54] <GaiaX11> Where do I find a SystemRescueCD to download for ubuntu?
[03:55] <JohnCro13> wow, Gaia.  i didn't know there was one.
[03:55] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: I guess the only related driver is v4l under section Module
[03:55] <HymnToLife> GaiaX11> what do you need it for ?
[03:55] <EvilIdler> The installer CD/DVD is a rescue disc if you want it to be
[03:55] <JohnCro13> it's not there!!!
[03:56] <GaiaX11> HymnToLife, For resizing hd partitions
[03:56] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: OK, add "v4l", then :)
[03:56] <JohnCro13> Load "v4l"
[03:56] <HymnToLife> GaiaX11> the Ubuntu Live CD has GParted in it, or you can use the GParted Live CD but beware, resizing Linux partitions is unadvisable
[03:57] <JohnCro13> how do I reload X?
[03:57] <HymnToLife> JohnCro13> Ctrl+Alt+Bksp
[03:57] <JohnCro13> k.
[03:57] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: Just exit to save desktop, then ctrl-alt-bs
[03:57] <aseigo> heh.. that's the brute force way
[03:57] <GaiaX11> So, how do i start it?
[03:57] <EvilIdler> If you want to, reload KDM or whatever
[03:58] <HymnToLife> GaiaX11> insert the CD in your drive and reboot :)
[03:58] <GaiaX11> And then?
[03:59] <GaiaX11> HymnToLife, is there a command to invoke Gparted after booting?
[03:59] <JohnCro13> that didn't do it.
[03:59] <EvilIdler> Add easy Samba/NFS share handling, and I'd use them :)
[03:59] <HymnToLife> GaiaX11> if you use the Ubuntu Live CD it's in the Applications menu
[03:59] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: You left before I could ask you what other drivers you have
[03:59] <GullyFoyle>  hrm what's the keyboard shortcut to start katapult?
[03:59] <JohnCro13> sorry.
[03:59] <JohnCro13> I was excited.
[03:59] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: I have 11 modules listed
[04:00] <melvin> hola
[04:00] <HymnToLife> !es
[04:00] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:00] <melvin> soy nuevo en este SO alguien q me pueda ayuda
[04:01] <JohnCro13> under "modules" I have 11 also.
[04:01] <JohnCro13> now including the v4l
[04:01] <JohnCro13> 12c, bitmap, ddc, dri, extmod, freetype, glx, int10, type1, vbe, and now v4l
[04:02] <EvilIdler> Different mix than me, then
[04:02] <GaiaX11> HymnToLife, Is there a Gparted in the install cd as well?
[04:02] <EvilIdler> No dri, for example
[04:02] <JohnCro13> It would seem, but I had made preally no modification.
[04:02] <HymnToLife> GaiaX11> nope, you can get it easily though
[04:02] <EvilIdler> Isn't dri and glx mutually exclusive?
[04:03] <HymnToLife> just sudo apt-get install gparted
[04:03] <JohnCro13> OH!!! DINNER!!!
[04:03] <JohnCro13> brb.
[04:09] <JohnCro13> ok.
[04:09] <JohnCro13> I'm back
[04:09] <HymnToLife> 6 mins for dinner, wowo
[04:10] <JohnCro13> left-overs.
[04:11] <JohnCro13> by the way, can I just delete the screen resolution depths I don't want to use in xorg.conf?
[04:12] <EvilIdler> Yeah
[04:12] <JohnCro13> thought so.
[04:12] <EvilIdler> I might even recommend it
[04:13] <EvilIdler> You could save some lower resolutions, in case games need it in fullscreen mode
[04:13] <JohnCro13> Highest I want to go it 1024x768.
[04:17] <GullyFoyle> wow i must say that gaim looks much better with the antialiased fonts in breezy
[04:17] <JohnCro13> sigh.
[04:18] <JohnCro13> typing v4l-conf did the exact same thing.  screen went black.
[04:18] <JohnCro13> this is a problem.
[04:19] <EvilIdler> Yes, that is a problem.
[04:19] <EvilIdler> Using a default kernel?
[04:19] <JohnCro13> 21
[04:19] <JohnCro13> I know 23 is available now.
[04:20] <EvilIdler> What kernel architecture, what CPU?
[04:20] <EvilIdler> Version doesn't matter - it's mainly repackaging
[04:20] <JohnCro13> you mean ... 386?
[04:20] <EvilIdler> Yep
[04:21] <JohnCro13> I'm using 386, but have a 64-bit amd.
[04:21] <EvilIdler> Should be fine, although you should get a better kernel for it
[04:21] <JohnCro13> I wish I knew how.
[04:21] <EvilIdler> A K8 or whatever it's called
[04:22] <EvilIdler> Just get the package for the kernel and modules
[04:22] <JohnCro13> there's a 64-bit version of kubuntu, but (get this) macromedia flash isn't even supported.  I NEED that.
[04:22] <EvilIdler> Yes, I know.
[04:23] <EvilIdler> But k7 is the identifier you want. Plain 32-bit arch for modern AMDs.
[04:23] <JohnCro13> how can I see that?
[04:24] <EvilIdler> linux-image-k7
[04:24] <JohnCro13> where can I go to see that?
[04:24] <EvilIdler> Your package manager
[04:24] <EvilIdler> Adept, aptitude, apt-get
[04:25] <JohnCro13> I'm in synaptic.
[04:25] <GullyFoyle> JohnCro13: you can install 32emu and run firefox32-bit with flash and everything
[04:25] <EvilIdler> Don't know that one, but search for k7
[04:25] <JohnCro13> sigh.
[04:25] <EvilIdler> I had no luck getting flash to work with emulation.
[04:25] <EvilIdler> 64-bit isn't desktop-ready ;)
[04:26] <JohnCro13> hmmm...
[04:26] <JohnCro13> nothing installed.
[04:26] <EvilIdler> Search in packages to get, of course ;)
[04:26] <JohnCro13> but when I updated my linux kernal version, I lost my wireless card.
[04:26] <JohnCro13> that sucked.
[04:26] <JohnCro13> I'll be back.
[04:26] <EvilIdler> You also need a module package for it
[04:26] <JohnCro13> gotta go shopping.
[04:36] <Crystufer> Hello all. I'd like to know if anyone else has had problems with the system settings panel in breezy.
[04:36] <chx> I am trying to set up a dualhead config. and no matter what I try, there is no picture on the secondary monitor. it comes up but shows a black background and nothign else
[04:36] <EvilIdler> Yeah, system settings can't be resized. Use kcontrol instead.
[04:37] <Crystufer> thank you.
[04:38] <chx> and if I try to load the Display from kcontrol or System settings then it crashes with
[04:39] <chx>  (preferred_width,preferred_height) = self.getAvailableResolutions()[self.getResolutionIndex()] 
[04:39] <chx> IndexError: list index out of range
[04:40] <EvilIdler> Heh. Those errors tell us exactly what you already know: It's not working :P
[04:40] <Crystufer> I am also having trouble getting this thing on the internet, and kcontrol and system settings don't change to sudo mode properly.
[04:41] <Crystufer> Even if I sudo kcontrol, I can't enable my eth0.
[04:41] <Crystufer> I don't understand what's wrong.
[04:41] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: Do you have more than one network card?
[04:42] <chx> Crystufer: is it a PCMCIA card?
[04:42] <chx> EvilIdler: yes, but what should I do? for example, pastebin the xorg.conf and you give me advice? :)
[04:42] <Crystufer> Yeah. one land line and one wireless.
[04:42] <EvilIdler> Try enabling it as eth1 first
[04:42] <EvilIdler> Then eth2
[04:42] <chx> Crystufer: try cardctl eject 0 then cardctl insert 0
[04:43] <chx> I was only to make my Xircom realport working by eject/insert
[04:43] <Crystufer> it's not pcmcia. But I do have two network cards.
[04:43] <EvilIdler> It might detect as eth2
[04:43] <EvilIdler> I have that problem on a server
[04:43] <EvilIdler> eth0 and eth1 detected on installation, but then I rebooted.
[04:44] <Crystufer> but I'm using kcontrol.
[04:44] <Crystufer> it shows eth0 as the card I want.
[04:45] <Crystufer> is there a way to do this from the term?
[04:46] <EvilIdler> Yes, the settings are usually in /etc/network/interfaces
[04:46] <EvilIdler> Then you just 'sudo /etc/init.d/network restart' to get the new settings
[04:46] <EvilIdler> The interfaces file can be a bit tricky, but my settings with two NICs works
[04:47] <macd>  so /etc/profile modifies all users but roots bash_profile, but does not affect roots bash, can I add a .bash_profile to root, or am I missing something here
[04:47] <EvilIdler> macd: Should be doable.
[04:48] <Crystufer> If I pastebin this /etc/network/interfaces, will someone help me figure out to change it correctly?
[04:48] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: Here's my file - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/734427
[04:50] <Crystufer> evildler that is set up the normal way, right? dhcp on eth0?
[04:50] <EvilIdler> I have the LAN card detected as eth0
[04:50] <EvilIdler> eth0 = gigabit, eth1 = 100Mbit
[04:51] <Crystufer> Cool. Static or dhcp?
[04:51] <EvilIdler> eth0 is static, and eth1 is DHCP straight to the internet
[04:51] <EvilIdler> That auto ethX line made all the difference for me
[04:53] <macd> auto ethx just tells to start at boottime, same as issuing "ifup ethx"
[04:53] <Crystufer> I don't see any lines starting with auto ethX. You mean the lines that say auto eth1 and auto eth0?
[04:53] <EvilIdler> Yeah, or to actually *do* something when you run /etc/inet.d/network ;)
[04:53] <Skipster23> ok I'm burning Kubuntu to dvd does anyony have any suggestions before i shutdown and install
[04:53] <EvilIdler> Yep
[04:54] <EvilIdler> If you copy the settings I use to your respective NICs, it should work
[04:54] <EvilIdler> If kcontrol is recognising your card, you have the driver loaded fine
[04:55] <Crystufer> Yeah. I think so.
[04:55] <BlankB> Is there a channel similar to #ubuntu+1 that is good for discussing kubuntu dapper?
[04:55] <Crystufer> kcontrol is kinda screwy though.
[04:55] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: Yeah, to put it mildly
[04:56] <NickGarvey> BlankB: mm don't see one
[04:58] <Crystufer> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/734437
[04:58] <Crystufer> evildler that's what mine looked like before.
[04:59] <Crystufer> well, it had comments in it too.
[04:59] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: You were missing static or dhcp specification on one, I see
[05:01] <Crystufer> It's not set up the same as yours.
[05:01] <chx> is it possible that the video card is at fault -- despite the fact that it reads the monitor info string properly??
[05:02] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: Mine works, though ;)
[05:03] <Crystufer> We'll see. /etc/init.d/network command not found.
[05:03] <vinboy> hi
[05:03] <vinboy> does anyone has kubuntu dapper daily build from 23rd?
[05:03] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: ALWAYS use tab completion
[05:03] <vinboy> i need 2.5mb of it
[05:04] <Crystufer> Evildler What do you mean?
[05:04] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: Type partial command. Press tab. See what happens.
[05:04] <koen> hi everybody
[05:07] <Crystufer> btw, should it be /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[05:07] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: That's right
[05:07] <orcpman> can i ask some questions about kubuntu here? im new at it
[05:08] <robotgeek> orcpman: sure, ask away
[05:08] <orcpman> thx
[05:09] <orcpman> to start, i have a sound problem
[05:09] <orcpman> i hear sound when i start kubuntu, i can get on a teamspeak program, but i cant play music
[05:09] <robotgeek> orcpman, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:10] <orcpman> oke thx
[05:10] <orcpman> put it in may favorites already
[05:11] <orcpman> second question: how can i get the best out of kubuntu
[05:11] <orcpman> what to install,....??
[05:11] <EvilIdler> Define 'best' and your intended use
[05:12] <robotgeek> orcpman: are you running breezy/dapper?
[05:12] <orcpman> intended use : kick bill from my computer (is dual boot now)
[05:12] <orcpman> to be honest robotgeek i have no clue what version it is :s
[05:12] <orcpman> where can i fandt that?
[05:13] <EvilIdler> orcpman: In /etc/issue
[05:13] <robotgeek> orcpman: cat /etc/issue
[05:14] <EvilIdler> For playing music, I prefer XMMS. There are others, like Amarok, with its database stuff. I just need something small and simple, since my fileserver IS my database :)
[05:14] <robotgeek> i just love all the bells and whistles of amarok
[05:14] <orcpman> it says ubuntu 6.06 LTS \n \l
[05:14] <robotgeek> orcpman: okay, you are on dapper then. awesome
[05:14] <EvilIdler> Movies, I prefer Xine. Install xine-ui and libdvdcss2 to get DVD playability, too
[05:15] <EvilIdler> robotgeek: I just open bell.ogg and whistle.ogg if I need 'that*
[05:15] <robotgeek> EvilIdler: :P
[05:16] <orcpman> and i would like to play games on this to, but most games dont suprt linux, do you know some cool games
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> theres ooodles of games that work under linux. :P and most are free
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> depends on the kind of game ya like.
[05:16] <NickGarvey> nethack!
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> frozen-bubble
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> slune
[05:16] <NickGarvey> ah no
[05:16] <robotgeek> orcpman: there is a listing of games in the Desktop Guide
[05:16] <NickGarvey> don't say frozen. I can't finish it
[05:16] <HymnToLife> Frozen Bubble > all
[05:16] <orcpman> i mostly like fps and mmorpg
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> rocks-n-diamonds.
[05:17] <NickGarvey> I have lost so much time to that..
[05:17] <NickGarvey> so much...
[05:17] <robotgeek> i am no gamer, so i can't help you, orcpman
[05:17] <HymnToLife> NickGarvey> like you can finish NH, eh...
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> orcpman,  they have 7-step groups to get over that problem. :P
[05:17] <NickGarvey> HymnToLife: no I ment I couldn't finish typing the word..
[05:17] <robotgeek> orcpman: Help -> Kubuntu Desktop Guide
[05:18] <EvilIdler> Not an awful lot of MMOs for Linux yet, but I suspect Sam Lantinga is pushing from inside Blizzard
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> a lot of fun is to use dosbox and play some of the great old dos games.
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> or the other emulators.
[05:18] <EvilIdler> SNES emulators and a few JRPGs can keep you entertained a long time ;)
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> Im thinking the MMO market is saturated and everyone it getting sick of it.
[05:18] <HymnToLife> Dr_Willis> have you tried Duke Nukem 3D on it ?
[05:18] <HymnToLife> I definitely should give it a spin, that game rocks
[05:18] <EvilIdler> A Tale in the Desert is in its third version. I think Puzzle Pirates also works for Linux.
[05:18] <NickGarvey> supersaturated!
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> HymnToLife,  im thinking thats one fo the few games that use special memory managers - and may not work well.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> PuzzlePirates works great. :P
[05:19] <EvilIdler> Good to hear :)
[05:19] <EvilIdler> Or read.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> I think the idea of paying $$$ a month for a game.. is silly.  but at least Puzzlepirates is a free download.
[05:19] <HymnToLife> Dr_Willis> guess I'll kepp my old dual boot DOS/Debien 486X then :p
[05:19] <HymnToLife> Debian*
[05:19] <EvilIdler> Depends on the game. I don't mind paying a few Euros a month to get constant updates, and actual customer service
[05:20] <EvilIdler> Things WILL go wrong in persistent online worlds :)
[05:20] <Bilford> I ran a php online game
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> EvilIdler,  then they try to screw ya out of another $$$ for some big update...
[05:20] <Bilford> amarok doesnt play mp3 because...
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> I soled my World of Warcraft account. :P
[05:20] <EvilIdler> Dr_Willis: I don't play Sony games, so it's not expensive for upgrades :)
[05:21] <EvilIdler> The only Sony games I play are non-MMO PS2 games.
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> Im hearing some nasty things from the EQ1/2 players at work. :) glad i gave up on those a long time ago
[05:21] <EvilIdler> Nice system, crap endgame.
[05:22] <EvilIdler> That sums up most MMOs :)
[05:22] <Bilford> anyoone played Toadwater
[05:22] <EvilIdler> UT2004 is real cheap now, with a DVD worth of extra material. If you have a reasonable 3D card, you can get lost in Alien Swarm or something.
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> 'treadmill'  = mmo.
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> no endgame.
[05:23] <EvilIdler> The endgame is when you're the highest level. Some cheat, like Sony and Blizzard. They just add more levels.
[05:23] <orcpman> dou you have links for those games?
[05:24] <Bilford> why isnt amaroK playing mp3
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> I never even finish games that can be finished. :P
[05:24] <EvilIdler> orcpman: happypenguin.org - chances are you can find most games in your package manager
[05:24] <EvilIdler> Dr_Willis: I rarely ever finish FPSes, but I have fun with the mods :)
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Ultima4 ! :P
[05:24] <orcpman> k
[05:24] <orcpman> thx
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> EvilIdler,  Naked lady Mods :P
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> that now get the company in trouble...
[05:25] <EvilIdler> Dr_Willis: Bah.
[05:25] <EvilIdler> Mods like Tally-ho! for UT add a lot to a game
[05:26] <EvilIdler> I'd like an UT2004 version of that
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> i had a blast playing Quake3 soccer :P
[05:30] <EvilIdler> Yeah, odd mods that change FPSes to anything non-FPS are great :)
[05:30] <orcpman> is ut for free?
[05:30] <EvilIdler> There's a bunch of racing games, too
[05:30] <Bilford> all I need is ZSNES
[05:30] <EvilIdler> No
[05:30] <EvilIdler> Have you never heard of Unreal Tournament?
[05:30] <orcpman> heard about it, never seen or played it
[05:31] <EvilIdler> You can find a demo on the net
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> first person seizure fest. :P
[05:32] <orcpman> is it playable in linux?
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> theres a native linux port - yes
[05:34] <HymnToLife> gota try it sometime
[05:34] <HymnToLife> but I guess you need a really strong gfx to run it
[05:35] <EvilIdler> Only somewhat.
[05:35] <EvilIdler> UT2004 is one of the last CPU-bound games - newer games require serious graphics hardware
[05:36] <HymnToLife> especially on Linux where drivers aren't as efficient
[05:36] <EvilIdler> Yep
[05:36] <EvilIdler> Although Wine+F.E.A.R. would probably make grown men cry, even if you have the latest dual-core AMD :P
[05:37] <JohnCro13> I have returned!
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> if wine/cedega can even handle the copy protection.
[05:37] <EvilIdler> I don't buy any game unless I know I can find a nocd
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> Lame Copy PRotection/cd in the drive - is one of the many reasosn ive basicially given up on PC gaming.
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> that and the price has climbed to close to $45-$50 a pop!
[05:37] <HymnToLife> Console gaming is far more enjoyable anyway
[05:37] <EvilIdler> MMOs are nice like that. The media is merely a start to get the real downloads
[05:38] <HymnToLife> GameCube + Mariokart + 3 friends + Piza + Beer = Hours of fun :p
[05:38] <EvilIdler> Mmm..my PS2 gamestack is huge, and the DS games are breeding like rabbits
[05:38] <orcpman> im used to play silkroad online and americas army, but they dont work in linux (americas army dous but not the new version)
[05:39] <EvilIdler> Yeah, Pentagon gave up on Linux.
[05:39] <orcpman> the basterds :p
[05:39] <EvilIdler> After all, why should they promote something that hinders their attempts to break into your computer?
[05:39] <orcpman> haha, thats tue
[05:40] <JohnCro13> okay.  I want to try installing k7 modules.  But that requires I install Linux-image-2.6.15-23-k7 as well.  my concern is losing my Wifi connection, which is an Atheros.  How can I save my current configuration and reload it if something goes awry?
[05:41] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: There's a modules package related, plus usually a restricted modules package. Get both of those too, and you shouldn't lose anything.
[05:41] <JohnCro13> I did before.  I'm afraid.
[05:42] <EvilIdler> Yes, be afraid. Be very afraid. Kernel upgrades are something even us coder types don't like doing too often :)
[05:42] <EvilIdler> If you have just one piece of odd hardware, it's better to live with the old kernels.
[05:42] <EvilIdler> But in your case, you're running a one-size-fits-all kernel on a very modern CPU.
[05:43] <JohnCro13> everything works just fine right now except for my audio and TV tuner.
[05:43] <JohnCro13> it sure is modern.
[05:43] <JohnCro13> so, you suggest k7.
[05:43] <EvilIdler> I need my S-Video in, and (K)Ubuntu detected it automagically.
[05:43] <JohnCro13> Headers too?
[05:43] <EvilIdler> Headers optional, but suggested.
[05:44] <JohnCro13> smp?
[05:45] <EvilIdler> No
[05:45] <JohnCro13> k.
[05:45] <imbrandon> dual core ?
[05:45] <JohnCro13> no.
[05:45] <EvilIdler> Possibly for dual core
[05:45] <imbrandon> smp is only for dual proc / dual core
[05:45] <EvilIdler> In his case, it's a 64-bit CPU he wants to run in x86 mode to avoid all hassles
[05:45] <orcpman> gotta go, its time to go sleep, its already 06.00hours here and im awake from 08.00hours yesterday
[05:45] <orcpman> thx for the help
[05:45] <imbrandon> JohnCro13: just use the meta package, it will choose all the right stuff for ya "sudo apt-get install linux-k7"
[05:45] <orcpman> talk to you later
[05:46] <HymnToLife> same here orcpman
[05:46] <HymnToLife> And I have to wake up at 8 tomorrow
[05:46] <HymnToLife> well, soon :p
[05:46] <EvilIdler> That's what waking up at midnight is for.
[05:46] <JohnCro13> okay.
[05:46] <orcpman> hehe
[05:46] <HymnToLife> EvilIdler> +1e80
[05:47] <HymnToLife> but unfortunately you can't do that everyday :(
[05:47] <JohnCro13> I have my fingers crossed very tightly.
[05:47] <JohnCro13> this is probably the #1 reason I still have an XP partition.
[05:48] <imbrandon> JohnCro13: once you get used to it its not bad, special with apt-get
[05:48] <EvilIdler> Out of all Debian-based distros, this computer liked Kubuntu best. I've only ever bought hardware I know also works in Linux.
[05:48] <JohnCro13> Evil, my konsole window is back to prompt.
[05:49] <imbrandon> see i'm the opsite, i buy stuff that might not and MAKE it work ;)
[05:49] <JohnCro13> reboot suggested?
[05:49] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: The magic is done. Now you reboot.
[05:49] <JohnCro13> I may never see you again.
[05:49] <imbrandon> JohnCro13: you might want to ....
[05:49] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: You beat it into submission?
[05:49] <imbrandon> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to
[05:49] <imbrandon> make sure all deps are satisfied before reboot
[05:49] <JohnCro13> I'll do that after I reboot...IF I can get online.
[05:50] <JohnCro13> Wait...
[05:50] <imbrandon> ummm like i said BEFORE heh
[05:50] <EvilIdler> Wouldn't want any nasty things to happen, like, say, init going missing..
[05:50] <JohnCro13> I'll update and upgrade right now.
[05:50] <EvilIdler> I've had init disappear completely on me during rather large dist-upgrades.
[05:50] <imbrandon> heh
[05:51] <EvilIdler> That was Debian, though.
[05:51] <JohnCro13> Linux-image-386 needs to be upgraded.
[05:51] <imbrandon> thats fine, you can use it as a fallback kernel
[05:51] <JohnCro13> as well as linux-restricted-modules-386.
[05:51] <imbrandon> ^^
[05:51] <JohnCro13> okay.
[05:51] <EvilIdler> You want those parachutes.
[05:52] <johnny3d> what is the best interface to use for libcal3d?
[05:52] <JohnCro13> so I'll select k7 from Grub, though.
[05:53] <JohnCro13> okay.
[05:53] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: If it all goes pear-shaped, do you know how to boot with bash rather than init?
[05:53] <JohnCro13> no.
[05:53] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: I guess you will find some informative manpages once it happens ;)
[05:53] <JohnCro13> startx, you mean?
[05:53] <imbrandon> heh no , way before that
[05:53] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: No, we're talking about as basic an interface as possible here - NO programs but bash
[05:54] <JohnCro13> yeah.... no.
[05:54] <imbrandon> he has falback 386 thats working so he should be fine
[05:54] <JohnCro13> exactly.
[05:55] <EvilIdler> OK, upgrade and reboot. Then come back here and scream if you need to :)
[05:55] <JohnCro13> if all else fails.  I mean seriously everything else, I'll just go into XP and try to get bacl onto chat.
[05:55] <imbrandon> sounds good, we'll be waiting ;)
[05:55] <EvilIdler> Yeah, that's a possible fallback.
[05:55] <JohnCro13> If I don't see you in a couple of minutes, thanks for your advice.
[05:55] <EvilIdler> I've got 3 computers and backup bootups
[05:56] <JohnCro13> wow.
[05:56] <JohnCro13> Evil, thanks.
[05:56] <JohnCro13> see you on the flip-side.
[05:57] <EvilIdler> Considering how fast my boot time with Breezy is, he'll be here in a moment unless it failed
[06:00] <JohnCro13> I MADE IT!
[06:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:00] <EvilIdler> Woo and stuff.
[06:00] <JohnCro13> but, the blank screen issue is still there.
[06:00] <JohnCro13> lol.
[06:00] <EvilIdler> Right, but it fails much more efficiently now.
[06:01] <JohnCro13> my god.
[06:01] <JohnCro13> actually, yeah.
[06:02] <JohnCro13> lol.
[06:02] <pppoe_dude> is it normal for amarok to be using upwards of 35% CPU just to play music?
[06:03] <EvilIdler> On a P45, possibly
[06:04] <imbrandon> pppoe_dude: depends on the codec , mp3 quite possibly
[06:04] <pppoe_dude> P45?
[06:04] <pppoe_dude> i c.
[06:04] <EvilIdler> Pentoum 45. Classic CPU. Slow as heck :)
[06:04] <EvilIdler> Pentium, even
[06:04] <pppoe_dude> mine is currently at 600Mhz but it scales.
[06:04] <pppoe_dude> i locked it at 600
[06:04] <EvilIdler> Laptop?
[06:04] <JohnCro13> any suggestion where I should go for my tv tuner issue?
[06:04] <pppoe_dude> ya
[06:05] <tsume> *centrino
[06:05] <pppoe_dude> 6755 pp        15   0  118m  33m  23m S 21.2  6.9   2:48.67 amarokapp
[06:05] <EvilIdler> My old K6-2 200 used 2% tops on MP3.
[06:05] <EvilIdler> That was with XMMS and not a lot of memory.
[06:06] <pppoe_dude> thats top . 21.2 ranges from that to above... and total CPU usage is about 50%
[06:06] <pppoe_dude> 45 - 70%
[06:06] <tsume> mpg123 all the way :P
[06:07] <EvilIdler> Wow, sounds like a bandwidth issue. Harddrive not DMA mode?
[06:07] <pppoe_dude> im thinking maybe my audio card has the wrong drivers installed...
[06:07] <pppoe_dude> hmm 1 sec.
[06:07] <pppoe_dude> hdparm -i /dev/hda?
[06:07] <robotgeek> pppoe_dude: i think it takes some juice while indexing your music
[06:07] <pppoe_dude> ok im on UDMA5
[06:08] <pppoe_dude> its constantly like this tho
[06:08] <robotgeek> pppoe_dude: plus, you cn turn off fancy stuff like last.fm
[06:08] <JohnCro13> I think I will try fixing my tv tuner tomorrow.
[06:08] <HymnToLife> last.fm rocks !
[06:08] <EvilIdler> pppoe_dude: How large is your music collection?
[06:08] <JohnCro13> goodnight, all.
[06:08] <pppoe_dude> night JohnCro13
[06:08] <JohnCro13> thanks.
[06:08] <pppoe_dude> EvilIdler: not too large... just a couple of playlists
[06:08] <pppoe_dude> about 15 songs in each
[06:08] <EvilIdler> pppoe_dude: In mega/gigabytes?
[06:09] <EvilIdler> Ah, two albums.
[06:09] <EvilIdler> A playlist could be my entire 160 gigs ;)
[06:09] <pppoe_dude> i thougth about indexing (like sorta how gnome's nautilus uses 100% on indexing images) but it aint so
[06:09] <pppoe_dude> about 150 MB
[06:09] <EvilIdler> That shouldn't take long at all
[06:09] <EvilIdler> Especially UDMA5
[06:10] <pppoe_dude> i have an intel integrated audio card
[06:10] <pppoe_dude> i855, but i810 driver installed (to my knowledge)
[06:10] <pppoe_dude> intel's drivers are BS
[06:10] <pppoe_dude> but i dont think it should matter anyway
[06:11] <EvilIdler> Yeah, that Intel Inside is a warning if you're using their chipsets :P
[06:11] <tsume> its what I was looking for in a laptop :)
[06:11] <EvilIdler> Not that AMD is any friendlier. Never got that NForce working.
[06:11] <tsume> *card
[06:11] <pppoe_dude> but i855 is really crappy./.
[06:12] <pppoe_dude> problems with video from step 1 with linux (needs 855patch)
[06:12] <Bilford> hm,  Kaffeine and amarok are good
[06:12] <tsume> I need to make a mono based utility for making *ubuntu a sane solution(decss, w32codecs, etc)
[06:12] <pppoe_dude> and debian's installer hangs coz of audio
[06:12] <Bilford> whats the shortcut for mouse roller
[06:13] <pppoe_dude> next time, im gonna stick with ATI, even tho their drivers are usually late
[06:13] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu is already sane. What value of sane is needed?
[06:13] <pppoe_dude> or maybe nvidia
[06:13] <tsume> pppoe_dude: what is wrong with nvidia? the drivers are better
[06:13] <tsume> EvilIdler: dvd playback, w32 codecs :)
[06:13] <HymnToLife> pppoe_dude> nvidia is definitely the best choice
[06:13] <pppoe_dude> not used to nvidia. + they have that splash screen ( i had it with my sony)
[06:13] <pppoe_dude> im sure theres a way to get rid of it
[06:13] <EvilIdler> tsume: I have that. Xine works, mplayer works.
[06:13] <tsume> pppoe_dude: you can disable the splash
[06:14] <tsume> EvilIdler: yes, but I had to use a third party, and search for the decoder
[06:14] <HymnToLife> the splashscreen is cool :p
[06:14] <tsume> EvilIdler: encrypted dvds wont work without decss
[06:14] <EvilIdler> tsume: There's one repository for all that which I use.
[06:14] <tsume> pppoe_dude: in xorg.conf, the video section NoSplash = true or something like that
[06:14] <pppoe_dude> im now thinking of buying an averatec. they're cheap and tiny... just finding the right features can be troublesome
[06:14] <tsume> EvilIdler: the plf, I know
[06:14] <pppoe_dude> tsume: i c
[06:15] <tsume> pppoe_dude: dude, have you seen or played with an averatec?
[06:15] <pppoe_dude> HymnToLife: how is the splash screen cool?
[06:15] <tsume> pppoe_dude: the case is cheap and flimsy, so is the keyboard
[06:15] <tsume> pppoe_dude: buy a Toshiba, they work very well, except the SD card reader
[06:15] <pppoe_dude> tsume: a new one at bestbuy yes. it was ok actually...
[06:15] <HymnToLife> pppoe_dude> it's white
[06:15] <HymnToLife> and green
[06:15] <pppoe_dude> tsume: built more like an ibook
[06:15] <HymnToLife> tha's cool :p
[06:16] <tsume> pppoe_dude: they looked like cheap crap. I seen one at walmart
[06:16] <tsume> pppoe_dude: I'd rather buy a real notebook
[06:16] <pppoe_dude> hahaha
[06:16] <pppoe_dude> well, i can argue that they are manufactured by the same company that makes dells
[06:16] <imbrandon> dells are crap too ;)
[06:16] <tsume> pppoe_dude: no wonder all the dells I see are too fat then
[06:17] <pppoe_dude> lol
[06:17] <tsume> pppoe_dude: dells are only good for the warranty when you buy the business models
[06:17] <pppoe_dude> and sonys too
[06:17] <tsume> pppoe_dude: you really haven't had a vaio, have you? :P
[06:17] <pppoe_dude> 1 sec ill grab a link
[06:17] <tsume> pppoe_dude: or heard horror stories
[06:17] <pppoe_dude> tsume: i had the B100B series...
[06:17] <pppoe_dude> tsume: cheapest one
[06:17] <EvilIdler> Carefully selected parts for life!
[06:18] <tsume> pppoe_dude: stop going with cheap crap
[06:18] <pppoe_dude> tsume: easier said than done. no $$ :)
[06:18] <tsume> pppoe_dude: get a job :)
[06:18] <imbrandon> save $$ , stop impules buying ;)
[06:18] <tsume> imbrandon: that too
[06:19] <imbrandon> my little bro works at mcdonalds and can buy a mac ( he just has to save ) ;)
[06:19] <tsume> imbrandon: heh..
[06:19] <imbrandon> thats the wonderfull thing about ordering on the internet
[06:19] <Bilford> how do you configure  Kaffeine so the mouse roller is for volume
[06:20] <pppoe_dude> HPs are crap too tho.
[06:20] <pppoe_dude> IMO
[06:20] <tsume> compaq and hp
[06:20] <HymnToLife> HP rocks !
[06:20] <pppoe_dude> so are compaqs. at least the R2000, R3000 and R4000 series
[06:20] <tsume> toshiba is just okay, except their series from 2001
[06:20] <Bilford> when you configure app shortcuts, how do you enter mouse roller
[06:20] <frank_> can someone in dapper kubuntu who has the sun java plugin working in konqueror tell me what plugin is used for java in about:plugins  in konqueror?
[06:20] <pppoe_dude> IBMs are ok
[06:20] <imbrandon> hp compaq sony and 90% of all other laptops are made by the same company in china
[06:20] <pppoe_dude> or.. 'lenovo'
[06:20] <tsume> levono(sp?) IBMs are good choices
[06:21] <pppoe_dude> imbrandon: i was looking for a link about that, but yes
[06:21] <pppoe_dude> imbrandon: i think theres acually 3 companies
[06:21] <imbrandon> 3 , but one major one
[06:21] <pppoe_dude> imbrandon: and asus, which make their own
[06:21] <imbrandon> that does most of them
[06:21] <imbrandon> asus and apple are among the VERY few that make ther own
[06:22] <pppoe_dude> tsume: i guess levono
[06:22] <HymnToLife> tsume> you must be fooling me, stikpads are total crap
[06:22] <pppoe_dude> cheap marketing :(
[06:22] <HymnToLife> stink*
[06:23] <bobkc> evening all
[06:23] <pppoe_dude> i like apple and MAC, i just wouldnt feel very "cozy" installing linux on one, so i try to avoid them
[06:23] <pppoe_dude> however, it is no more different than installing linux on my laptop tht has a "windows key"
[06:24] <pppoe_dude> hows Ubuntu on macs btw?
[06:27] <pppoe_dude> plus the whole drivers thing gets more complicated
[06:28] <bobkc> pardon me, I have a question about a dapper install that's getting stuck
[06:30] <pppoe_dude> luksan: XChat can do that too
[06:31] <pppoe_dude> but, xchat is not konversation
[06:32] <luksan> pppoe_dude: yeah, I will always use the KDE integrated app regardless, i was just commenting
[06:32] <luksan> pppoe_dude: although occassionally when in a blasphemous mood i prefer Gaim of Kopete
[06:32] <pppoe_dude> luksan: i just moved to KDE recently btw, and it is quite good, except for some performance issues with amarok
[06:33] <luksan> pppoe_dude: what kinda performance issues?
[06:33] <pppoe_dude> and maybe konqueror plugin issues... unsure yet
[06:33] <pppoe_dude> high CPU usage when playing mp3s
[06:33] <luksan> pppoe_dude: ah, dunno
[06:33] <luksan> pppoe_dude: try a different backend
[06:33] <pppoe_dude> not too high all the time tho... now its at 12% of 22%
[06:34] <pppoe_dude> oh ya... might do that, does it go with xine as defualt?
[06:34] <luksan> i think so
[06:34] <luksan> yeah, that's a tad high
[06:34] <luksan> i'm using xine, and not having any problems
[06:34] <pppoe_dude> yes i just checked
[06:35] <pppoe_dude> what other backends can i use? like mplayer-style or just gstreamer
[06:35] <pppoe_dude> if even
[06:35] <pppoe_dude> coz i dont have other selections
[06:35] <luksan> pppoe_dude: oh yeah i forgot
[06:35] <luksan> pppoe_dude: kubuntu doesn't seem to support multiple backends very well
[06:35] <luksan> pppoe_dude: if at all
[06:35] <pppoe_dude> aRts i guess
[06:36] <luksan> ugh
[06:36] <luksan> pppoe_dude: even arts creator has disowned that monstrosity
[06:36] <pppoe_dude> maybe ill install amarok-engines and see
[06:36] <pppoe_dude> lol
[06:36] <luksan> pppoe_dude: i went through this the other day
[06:36] <luksan> pppoe_dude: it probably won't work
[06:37] <pppoe_dude> first ill check if kaffeine uses same CPU, to rule out anything else
[06:37] <pppoe_dude> or rather, to make sure its xine's fault
[06:38] <pppoe_dude> kaffeine uses even more.. 40%
[06:38] <pppoe_dude> well, 15% of 40%
[06:39] <pppoe_dude> 22% of 40 sorry
[06:39] <pppoe_dude> with integrated mplayer player (kaffeine) its off the top list
[06:40] <pppoe_dude> so its definitely a xine problem
[06:40] <luksan> pppoe_dude: have you tried seeing if there are any upgrades for xine?
[06:41] <pppoe_dude> im uptodate... using dapper... hey maybe its a dapper thing
[06:41] <luksan> i'm using dapper but using multiverse
[06:41] <pppoe_dude> ya me too
[06:46] <pppoe_dude> title is referring to a membership of some sorrt.. what kind of membership?
[06:50] <pwnshop> hello
[06:54] <frank_> pppoe_dude: playin a mp3 with kaffeine here is 1% cpu after I disable visualisation
[06:55] <pppoe_dude> frank_: according to top?
[06:55] <frank_> pppoe_dude: yep
[06:56] <frank_> pppoe_dude: I'm running dapper up to date
[06:56] <pppoe_dude> me too, but mine hovers around 30%
[06:56] <pwnshop> i'm burning my first kubuntu iso right now...getting ready to install
[06:56] <pppoe_dude> oh.. sorry not with kaffeine, but with amarok. kaffeine with xine engine is worse..
[06:57] <pwnshop> <- new user
[06:57] <pppoe_dude> hi pwnshop
[06:57] <pwnshop> hola
[06:57] <pppoe_dude> pwnshop: new to linux or ubuntu/kubuntu?>
[06:57] <pwnshop> kinda new to linux...i've had slackware and linspire but got an AMD64...
[06:57] <pppoe_dude> frank_: but kaffeine with mplayer is fine... so i think its a xine problem
[06:57] <pwnshop> i needed a 64b distro...and found kubuntu
[06:58] <pppoe_dude> cool
[06:58] <pwnshop> i just tried gentoo as well, but it sucked. the install was horrible
[06:58] <pwnshop> its gone
[06:58] <pppoe_dude> lol..
[06:58] <frank_> pppoe_dude: I just tried with amarok (with xine) and it's the same: between 1 and 2%
[06:58] <pppoe_dude> not most fun
[06:58] <pppoe_dude> frank_: i think it might be related to my audio card/driver... i810 is shitty all around
[06:59] <pppoe_dude> with mplayer its lower, but not 1 or 2%
[06:59] <pwnshop> anything i need to know before i install this?
[07:00] <pwnshop> i've read up on it
[07:00] <pppoe_dude> pwnshop: not much... should be straight forward
[07:00] <pwnshop> good...whats a recommended number of partitions to have?
[07:00] <chavo> amarok launches a few processes though
[07:00] <frank_> pppoe_dude: yeah but 40% with kaffeine is pretty excessive
[07:00] <pppoe_dude> pwnshop: do you have dapper version or breezy?
[07:00] <pwnshop> breezy
[07:00] <chavo> so it's really using about 6-7 percent
[07:00] <pppoe_dude> frank_: yes. definitely somethn wrong there
[07:01] <EvilIdler> Playing MP3s average 0.5% here, and that's over the network
[07:01] <pppoe_dude> chavo: amarokapp uses about 20% of the 30%
[07:02] <pppoe_dude> does output device matter with these things? oss/esd/etc...
[07:02] <chavo> I have 8 amarok processes and it's using about 5-7%
[07:02] <CutieCoder> kaffeine + mplayer as engine is pretty good
[07:02] <chavo> by the way install htop if you haven't nice little update to top
[07:03] <chavo> this is amarok with xine engine
[07:03] <EvilIdler> KSysGuard shows decent info, too
[07:03] <pwnshop> okie dokie, lets try this out
[07:03] <EvilIdler> FLAC barely registers in CPU use here
[07:03] <chavo> yeah but ksysguard takes a little while to start up
[07:04] <EvilIdler> I have memory to keep things like that running :)
[07:04] <CutieCoder> drinks about 1-2% on cpu #1 3.06 Xeon HT, for an NSV stream
[07:04] <CutieCoder> vp61 codec
[07:04] <pppoe_dude> no change in cpu usage when hovering output devices
[07:04] <CutieCoder> AACP sound
[07:04] <EvilIdler> Yeah, no sound should eat a ton of CPU
[07:05] <pppoe_dude> i really want a new laptop
[07:05] <pppoe_dude> but dont know what to get
[07:05] <HymnToLife> get some HP
[07:05] <pppoe_dude> i dont like how they look. :S
[07:06] <pppoe_dude> i liked the benq's but i dont know much about their reliability,
[07:06] <pppoe_dude> + it would be internet purchase, no guarantee against dead pixels (tmk)
[07:06] <HymnToLife> have you looked !laptops ?
[07:06] <pppoe_dude> !laptop
[07:06] <ubotu> I guess laptop is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops or http://www.linux-laptop.net/ or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam, or tuxmobil.org
[07:07] <pppoe_dude> i looked linux-laptop.net
[07:07] <HymnToLife> that tuxmobil thing always makes me laughe
[07:07] <HymnToLife> it's like Tux is a superhero just like Batman and his Batmobile rofl
[07:08] <pppoe_dude> any ideas on Benq?
[07:08] <pppoe_dude> joybook
[07:09] <pppoe_dude> i just don't like their more recent cheezy marketing messages: "The BenQ Joybook S53W is an innovative laptop computer whose design is geared toward helping users realize their inner potential."
[07:09] <pppoe_dude> but some of the designs and feats are ok
[07:23] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:26] <Crystufer> hello, all. I have a kubuntu laptop with no internet connectivity. Is there somewhere I can download the packages on a windows pc and then transfer them over on a cd or ipod?
[07:27] <_rince_> thx EvilIdler ... do they come coffee-flavoured?
[07:27] <Crystufer> Hi, evildler. That network setup you gave me earlier worked like a charm.
[07:27] <EvilIdler> They're blocks of pure caffeine
[07:27] <EvilIdler> Great :)
[07:27] <_rince_> \o/
[07:28] <EvilIdler> I'd be surprised if it didn't - I'd be without net when reality catches up!
[07:28] <Crystufer> Well, there is always the chance that my pc is secretly running a really fast version of windows and I don't know it.
[07:29] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: What packages is it you need to download? You can use a downloaded CD of newer releases as a deb source
[07:30] <Crystufer> i need wine mad lame flash, updates, you know... welcome to linux basket o goodies.
[07:31] <EvilIdler> Downloading that and dependencies is a pain
[07:31] <Crystufer> Yeah.
[07:31] <EvilIdler> No working network card on the laptop?
[07:32] <Crystufer> it works, but I'm not allowed to connect it to the internet. "security risk"
[07:32] <EvilIdler> Boo
[07:32] <Crystufer> i know.
[07:32] <EvilIdler> Browse around the webpage, find the packages..and start clicking..clicking..clicking
[07:33] <Crystufer> It's not like i'm going to infect the ms pc's with "the linux".
[07:33] <EvilIdler> Alternatively, find a netcafe and apt-get it there. Takes no more than 15 minutes, probably.
[07:33] <_rince_> and no pain with the dependencies
[07:33] <EvilIdler> They should be impressed you dare letting it on THEIR network :)
[07:34] <Crystufer> I wish there were a win pc program that would apt-get things and burn them to a disk.
[07:34] <EvilIdler> Well..
[07:34] <EvilIdler> There's CoLinux
[07:34] <Crystufer> I'm sorry?
[07:34] <EvilIdler> You run Linux as a process on Windows, apt-get or mirror with apt-cache or whatever
[07:35] <EvilIdler> Still a hell of a lot of work
[07:35] <EvilIdler> I vote for a trip to your friendly netcafe
[07:35] <Crystufer> grr.
[07:35] <Crystufer> Financially inconvenient. I wish there were a freedom toaster around here.
[07:35] <_rince_> you can install a "mirror" of your laptop inside qemu (which is available for w32)
[07:36] <_rince_> there you can download the the necessary packages and burn them
[07:36] <Crystufer> hmm... good idea.
[07:36] <_rince_> if you expect to need the setup more than once
[07:37] <yuriy> what is yaboot? is it used in the powerpc version of ubuntu instead of grub?  or is it used by some other distros?
[07:37] <_rince_> but you still need to have a sharp look at the pending dependencies, your qemu solves
[07:38] <_rince_> so, off to work, bbl ~
[07:38] <Crystufer> yuriy it is used in the ppc version of quite a few linux distros.
[07:38] <yuriy> including ubuntu?
[07:38] <Crystufer> not sure. i gave up on ubuntu for ppc when i found osx
[07:39] <EvilIdler> Feh, X froze.
[07:39] <Crystufer> yuriy you could prolly find it in the documentation.
[07:40] <yuriy> yeah, thanks, already found it
[07:40] <Crystufer> Cool beans.
[07:43] <crazy_penguin> good morning! // jo reggelt! // buna dimineata!
[07:43] <Crystufer> bien dia, crazy penguin!
[07:44] <riri> Hi :)
[07:45] <riri> i just installed the "providence" dapper 7
[07:45] <riri> it's a wonder
[07:45] <riri> but i can't install my printer
[07:45] <riri> it's in database
[07:45] <riri> when i use the control panel for printer
[07:46] <riri> a wizard guides me through the step and when i select my printer it says i maybe haven't the right to config the printer
[07:46] <riri> how can i do it manually
[07:46] <riri> i mean with root install
[07:46] <riri> su - root
[07:47] <riri> i have a root pw
[07:47] <riri> what the name of the printer wizard ?
[07:47] <riri> if one can help me would be nice
[07:47] <riri> because i couldn't find this printer on other distro
[07:48] <riri> x75 lexmark
[07:48] <riri> Hi nixternal don't you know about printer ?
[07:49] <nixternal> sup riri
[07:49] <nixternal> x75 lexmark ey
[07:49] <nixternal> lemme see whats up with that bad boy
[07:49] <HymnToLife> riri> ask ubotu, he knows everything :p
[07:50] <riri> ubotu : how to setup x75 lexmark ?
[07:50] <ubotu> riri: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:50] <HymnToLife> you should ask like this
[07:50] <HymnToLife> ubotu : printer
[07:50] <ubotu> printer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[07:50] <nixternal> is the x75 older or newer?
[07:51] <riri> 3 y
[07:51] <riri> old
[07:51] <nixternal> checin' kubuntu print db now
[07:51] <riri> i looked linux printing.org
[07:52] <riri> x75 is inside db
[07:52] <nixternal> well then...what is the issue/
[07:52] <riri> is there any soft to install printer on kubuntu ?
[07:53] <nixternal> no...it is in kmenu > system settings > printers
[07:53] <riri> the issue is : i tried to install it through the kubuntu kontrol panel
[07:53] <nixternal> as a matter of fact...it just locked up my lappy
[07:53] <riri> and a wizard started
[07:53] <riri> i was in admin setup
[07:53] <nixternal> ya...i see it
[07:53] <nixternal> ok...
[07:54] <riri> i detected x75
[07:54] <riri> and then it says either printer is not in db
[07:54] <riri> or you haven't enaught right
[07:54] <riri> so if i could find manually the printer setting i could do it in root
[07:54] <riri> wizard are ok when they work ! lol
[07:55] <nixternal> oh believe me i know....
[07:55] <riri> lol
[07:55] <riri> so if i can run this soft from root
[07:55] <riri> it will have the rights or ?
[07:55] <nixternal> obvioulsy it is in the db cuz you can see it in the wizard...and i can do an install w/o even logging in as root/admin
[07:55] <nixternal> so that is weird
[07:56] <riri> lol
[07:56] <riri> i am lucky each different distro always weird things ..lol
[07:58] <riri> i can try to set it through vmaware in xp emulation
[07:58] <riri> but i want to get rid of xp dependances !
[07:59] <riri> i am not addict :)
[07:59] <riri> ms addict
[08:00] <nixternal> hehe
[08:00] <nixternal> are you using it on a vmware setup?
[08:01] <riri> no i am in kubuntu
[08:01] <riri> pure
[08:01] <riri> lol
[08:01] <nixternal> whew
[08:01] <riri> i want to setup in linux not in xp
[08:02] <riri> but if i can't i will have to do it
[08:02] <riri> i am sure there is a way
[08:02] <nixternal> oh there is a way
[08:02] <riri> by hand
[08:02] <nixternal> im lookin' in on it now to see if there are any bug reports that are similar to your situation
[08:02] <riri> you know this kind of setup curses from rh
[08:03] <riri> very efficient
[08:03] <nixternal> according to linuxprinting.org the lexmark x75 works PARTIALLY
[08:03] <nixternal> what they mean by that...i don't know yet
[08:04] <riri> i know what they mean
[08:04] <riri> it means only printing works not scan
[08:05] <riri> because this drivers was on many printers and distro
[08:05] <nixternal> oh wow riri...you want to see the instructions for installing that printer???
[08:05] <riri> it 's made by a spanish
[08:05] <nixternal> my god...you need a degree i think
[08:05] <nixternal> LOL
[08:05] <riri> yes please
[08:06] <nixternal> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-X75
[08:06] <riri> you know i have looking many years for printing with it
[08:06] <riri> before same problem l3200
[08:06] <nixternal> they list a driver up top...then there are generic install instructions...then someone left a message about the printer a the botom
[08:06] <riri> thanks you are the best :)
[08:07] <riri> but why french always write english ? lol
[08:08] <nixternal> hey riri
[08:08] <riri> mailto:enrio@online.no i told you nixt :)
[08:08] <nixternal> lol
[08:08] <riri> it's the spanish !
[08:09] <riri> so if i could remind his name i wouldn't need more ! lol
[08:09] <nixternal> http://home.online.no/~enrio/
[08:09] <nixternal> he has a list of print drivers you can try in order to get it to work
[08:09] <riri> yes
[08:09] <nixternal> the x75 drivers in cups doesn't work
[08:09] <riri> it worked on mandriva
[08:09] <riri> and fc
[08:09] <nixternal> exactly...and it has issues with debain based setups
[08:09] <riri> it uses webadmin for printer
[08:10] <riri> lol
[08:10] <riri> my luck :)
[08:10] <nixternal> right
[08:10] <nixternal> i have issues with my printer too
[08:10] <nixternal> but it is hplip causing my issues
[08:10] <riri> who hasn't ?
[08:11] <nixternal> i have a network printer...and a smb printer...both give me issues
[08:11] <riri> i think linux has a way to go before good printing ... 20 y ago
[08:11] <riri> it was the same :)
[08:11] <riri> lol
[08:11] <nixternal> i can scan though with my hp psc1610
[08:11] <nixternal> but don't ask me to print you something
[08:11] <riri> you are lucky
[08:11] <nixternal> i can scan...but not print...how is that lucky?
[08:11] <nixternal> lol
[08:11] <riri> i can print on my notebook in the network
[08:11] <riri> lol
[08:11] <nixternal> i don't use the scanner anyways...unless i have to fax something
[08:12] <riri> that's why i wanted to be sure to be able to get internet before moving to kubuntu
[08:12] <riri> yes me too
[08:12] <riri> only private pics...
[08:12] <nixternal> well you got the internet...now the printer
[08:12] <nixternal> jeesh...whats next?
[08:12] <riri> but i will see if vmware can print with xp
[08:13] <riri> next is scim
[08:13] <nixternal> im loading kubuntu in vmware now
[08:13] <riri> for chinese writing
[08:13] <riri> lol
[08:13] <nixternal> i have a kubuntu vmware kubuntu setup
[08:13] <riri> the other way is better ! lol
[08:13] <nixternal> chinese writing...i can't even write english and i have lived in the USA my whole life
[08:14] <riri> i format xp
[08:14] <riri> fearing to delete my linux partition
[08:14] <riri> so now i don't want to put it bacl
[08:14] <riri> back
[08:14] <riri> i have cursedxp and winlsd
[08:14] <riri> lol
[08:14] <riri> much better
[08:15] <nixternal> haha
[08:15] <nixternal> vmware is actually pretty smooth now
[08:15] <nixternal> i remember when it first came out...it was flat out bad
[08:17] <riri> yes
[08:17] <riri> it 's incredibly speedy
[08:18] <riri> and easy to install on kubuntu
[08:18] <riri> xp works better in vm
[08:18] <riri> lol
[08:18] <nixternal> i have solaris 10, kubuntu, then i don't know whats next
[08:18] <nixternal> i am gonna do a kubuntu dapper server i think
[08:19] <riri> my son wants to make a server
[08:19] <riri> i told him to take dapper
[08:20] <riri> but i told him first try it in livecd
[08:20] <riri> so he can make hands on it :)
[08:20] <riri> we install teamspeak
[08:20] <riri> wow
[08:20] <riri> perfect audio
[08:21] <riri> i have just problem with webcam too
[08:21] <riri> its a philips
[08:21] <nixternal> teamspeak with dapper?
[08:21] <nixternal> hmmm
[08:21] <riri> yes
[08:21] <riri> works fine
[08:21] <nixternal> nice...i didn't think to check that out
[08:21] <riri> the audio is great
[08:21] <nixternal> that gave me an idea
[08:22] <riri> well son is the next generation :) lol
[08:22] <nixternal> that is good
[08:22] <nixternal> how old is he?
[08:22] <nixternal> prolly my age
[08:22] <nixternal> ;D
[08:22] <riri> 17y building himself in xp
[08:22] <nixternal> oh...i gottem by 15 years
[08:22] <riri> now wants a server on linux ! lol
[08:22] <nixternal> damn...he is goin' fast
[08:22] <nixternal> thats good though
[08:22] <riri> yes
[08:23] <riri> but i had to push his ace to get him to linux !
[08:23] <riri> and dapper help me a lot :)
[08:23] <riri> he tried first ubuntu
[08:23] <riri> but he had some problem old release
[08:24] <riri> breasy i think... ???
[08:24] <riri> so i gave him dapper 7 kubuntu after solving the partition problem
[08:24] <nixternal> and now he is in love
[08:24] <riri> lol
[08:24] <riri> cleaver boy !
[08:24] <riri> not yet all :)
[08:24] <nixternal> you should make a kubuntu movie....that would work i think
[08:24] <nixternal> hehe
[08:25] <riri> but still few months
[08:25] <nixternal> pretty soon you will be asking him the questions
[08:25] <riri> yes for movie i have archos ! lol
[08:25] <nixternal> hahaha
[08:25] <nixternal> there you go
[08:25] <nixternal> on your way
[08:25] <riri> he does sometimes
[08:25] <nixternal> lol
[08:25] <nixternal> my neighbor is 14...and i ask him all types of questions...he is a genius
[08:25] <riri> last year i spend 3 months in china
[08:25] <riri> lol
[08:25] <nixternal> nice
[08:26] <riri> and i made lot of avi with archos
[08:26] <riri> i went to marry my laopo (wife in pinying)
[08:26] <nixternal> my buddy uses it to make his movies and what not for work...i have seen it in action...pretty slick
[08:26] <riri> that's why i need scim
[08:26] <riri> brb
[08:27] <riri> conjugal must :)
[08:27] <riri> lol
[08:27] <nixternal> haha
[08:30] <free0sman> nixternal is my god@!#@#
[08:50] <riri> good night
[09:11] <mrfishhat> Hi im having some issues with dapper and nvidia drivers, does anyone have an idea as to why i cant apt nvidia-glx  and nvidia settings at the same time?
[09:11] <nixternal`2go> what error do you get mrfishhat?
[09:12] <nixternal`2go> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[09:12] <nixternal`2go> that doesn't work for you at all?
[09:13] <mrfishhat> it uninstalls the setting when the driver installs
[09:13] <mrfishhat> and vice versa
[09:14] <orient2000> Hi! I have a little problem. Just before logit I am getting message: " cannot open filr /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu". Directory /kubuntu does not exist. I have flight 7 , kubuntu 6.06 fully updated.
[09:26] <orient2000> Hi! I have a little problem. Just before logit I am getting message: " cannot open filr /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes/kubuntu". Directory /kubuntu does not exist. I have flight 7 , kubuntu 6.06 fully updated. Anybody has any idea?
[09:26] <nixternal`2go> is that a default install? or did you add a theme?
[09:27] <orient2000> It is defalt install.
[09:27] <nixternal`2go> so after you installed kubuntu...the first time you logged in that was the error you got?
[09:29] <orient2000> no errors at first. I downloaded kde itself with no librarie ans switched to kde and yhere eas the proble. I did uptade more but problem is there before login. It does not affect the system but error is there.
[09:30] <nixternal`2go> was it an ubuntu install?
[09:31] <orient2000> yes it was ubuntu and then i switchd to kubuntu
[09:31] <nixternal`2go> ahhh..did you do it by
[09:31] <nixternal`2go> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:31] <orient2000> I will try
[09:32] <nixternal`2go> that is the correct way to go from ubuntu to kubuntu...or add kde
[09:35] <orient2000> 37MB updates is coming. Thanks. I hope it works.
[09:36] <nixternal`2go> lol...that should fix your issue and give you kubuntu the way it should be
[09:36] <nixternal`2go> if you are on cable or dsl..it should be pretty quick
[09:36] <Crystufer> Hello.
[09:36] <nixternal`2go> hello Crystufer
[09:37] <Crystufer> How's stuff?
[09:37] <nixternal`2go> its goin'
[09:37] <nixternal`2go> tryin' to stay awake
[09:37] <nixternal`2go> i just tried to change the channel on the tv with my mouse...so sleep might be inevitable
[09:38] <Crystufer> Cool. I'm trying to find a way to easily download updates and stuff for my kubuntu laptop and burn it on cd, but i think that's a bust.
[09:38] <Crystufer> Oh well.
[09:38] <Crystufer> nixternal`2go, Why stay up then?
[09:38] <nixternal`2go> like grab everything from the repositories and burn them to a cd
[09:38] <imbrandon> apt-get -d upgrade ?
[09:38] <Crystufer> yeah, like that, but from a winpc.
[09:38] <nixternal`2go> ya that would work....but where does it dl it too imbrandon?
[09:39] <imbrandon> -d will just download them not install them ( they will be in the apt-cache )
[09:39] <nixternal`2go> ahhh
[09:39] <nixternal`2go> apt-cache...cool....
[09:39] <Crystufer> imbrandon You're good.
[09:39] <nixternal`2go> now i know where the hell they went earlier ;D
[09:39] <imbrandon> heh
[09:39] <nixternal`2go> he asked exactly what i did
[09:39] <nixternal`2go> but i moved it to my server
[09:40] <Crystufer> I wish I could just download the whole repository.
[09:40] <imbrandon> you can ( its 11 gigs for just i386 though ) , i ahve a local mirror running here at my house ;)
[09:40] <nixternal`2go> then i have a script that will change the soures.list to a temp one and dl from my server
[09:40] <nixternal`2go> that way there...when i am installin' dapper on say 4 clients systems at the same time...i just get all updates local network
[09:41] <nixternal`2go> it is sweet
[09:41] <imbrandon> nixternal`2go: instead of all that look into a debian app called apt-mirror
[09:41] <Crystufer> Oh. Wait, does that include the deb-src?\
[09:41] <imbrandon> CyberSix: no just binary is 11 gig
[09:41] <imbrandon> not src
[09:41] <Crystufer> wow.
[09:41] <Crystufer> Madness.
[09:41] <nixternal`2go> that is what i am doing for my debian sarge and etch already
[09:41] <imbrandon> bin i386 is 11gig
[09:41] <Crystufer> So just bin 1386 for only breezy?
[09:42] <Crystufer> i386*
[09:42] <Crystufer> That's a pain in the butt.
[09:42] <imbrandon> breezy or dapper, what ever one you choose but yea
[09:42] <Crystufer> Is dapper stable yet?
[09:42] <imbrandon> well i have 10+ systems here at the house so its good for me to mirror it ;) actualy i mirror the whole repos ( my lug uses it too )
[09:42] <EvilIdler> 11 gigs? I can manage that through the day :)
[09:43] <nixternal`2go> it is stable for me
[09:43] <tsume> Crystufer: yes, many are using it already
[09:43] <nixternal`2go> i have slung everything possible at it and it rox
[09:43] <nixternal`2go> no matter the system i run it on...it is smooth and clean
[09:43] <Crystufer> does kcontrol work better?
[09:43] <nixternal`2go> i am on ann older laptop...and it runs as good as xubuntu did on it
[09:43] <Crystufer> cuz I have problems with it on breezy like you wouldn't believe.
[09:43] <imbrandon> CyberSix: its "officialy" beta still BUT its rock solid thus ffar ( only a few days till full release )
[09:43] <nixternal`2go> kcontrol is now system settings
[09:44] <nixternal`2go> system settings is nicer...reminds me of windows control panel a little
[09:44] <Crystufer> I like it too, but that is even buggier in my install.
[09:44] <imbrandon> nixternal`2go: type "kcontrol" in a terminal , its still there ;)
[09:44] <nixternal`2go> i know
[09:44] <nixternal`2go> but im used to the system settings now
[09:44] <Crystufer> Besides, don't they use the same applets?
[09:45] <imbrandon> yup
[09:45] <nixternal`2go> plus...the only thing i change in system settings is printer and themes...thats it...everything else in terminal
[09:45] <nixternal`2go> konsole...gotta stop with terminal ;D
[09:45] <Crystufer> i can't do all of that yet.
[09:45] <Crystufer> I'm learning though.
[09:45] <imbrandon> brb
[09:45] <nixternal`2go> see...my linux experience is 10 years of terminal as a server admin
[09:46] <Crystufer> And glad I am too, cuz it's super-useful on osx term.
[09:46] <nixternal`2go> i used x-windows like for 2 months total prior to this year
[09:46] <orient2000> 17kB speed. I should have it soon. Can you advise me where to learn about linux? Manuals or books...?
[09:46] <nixternal`2go> im new to x-windows in a way
[09:46] <nixternal`2go> search oreily in google orient2000...
[09:46] <imbrandon> orient2000: wiki.ubuntu.com ;) and www.ubuntuforums.org
[09:47] <imbrandon> books are outdated before they are printed ;)
[09:47] <nixternal`2go> oreily has the best linux books out....
[09:47] <nixternal`2go> that is why i say goto oreily's website..most of theirs are updated
[09:47] <Crystufer> Seriously, orient2000 the only thing I learned from my linux books was how to use rpm's.
[09:47] <nixternal`2go> lol
[09:47] <nixternal`2go> red hat books suck
[09:47] <Crystufer> #kubuntu taught me everything else.
[09:47] <imbrandon> rpm's .... ewww
[09:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:47] <nixternal`2go> fedora uses rpms?
[09:47] <Crystufer> Well, and #ububtu
[09:48] <nixternal`2go> ububtu?
[09:48] <Crystufer> nixternal`2go, I think so.
[09:48] <nixternal`2go> is that a new xxx release?
[09:48] <nixternal`2go> lol
[09:48] <Crystufer> grr.
[09:48] <Bilford> whats the main image viewer for Kubuntu
[09:48] <Crystufer> It's the red hot love version of gnome.
[09:48] <nixternal`2go> had to ruffle your feathers on that one...i gotta kick out of it
[09:48] <imbrandon> fedora, madriva, suse, redhat , all kinds of distros use rpm that dont know about the apt-get goodness ;)
[09:48] <Crystufer> Yay dpkg!
[09:48] <nixternal`2go> haha yes
[09:49] <nixternal`2go> sudo rpm -die
[09:49] <orient2000> Thanks
[09:49] <nixternal`2go> np orient2000
[09:49] <Crystufer> orient2000 good luck.
[09:49] <nixternal`2go> www.linux.com and www.linux.org have a lot of good links...linux.org is mostly enterprise and i know some of the guys
[09:50] <nixternal`2go> the best way to learn though...break it and fix it...even if you don't mean too...that is how i learned
[09:50] <nixternal`2go> i learned nix with aix and irix at unisys when my mom worked there...as a kid i would go and log on when she was working and enjoy it
[09:50] <Crystufer> imbrandon, know a good way for me to dl a whole mirror?
[09:51] <Bilford> when you Configure Shortcuts, how do you add Mouse Wheel shortcuts
[09:51] <imbrandon> apt-mirror
[09:51] <nixternal`2go> hahah...just don't wget the whole thing
[09:51] <Crystufer> I was thinking wget32.
[09:51] <Bilford> Or any kind of mouse clicks
[09:51] <imbrandon> http://apt-mirror.sf.net
[09:51] <Crystufer> ;)
[09:51] <imbrandon> you can even use it under cygwin ;)
[09:51] <Crystufer> Huh?
[09:51] <Crystufer> cygwin?
[09:52] <orient2000> hey one more question. I tried to compile some programs before but I missed so many files, libraries. What should I get? I want to see my dvd working and maybe mp3?
[09:52] <imbrandon> cygwin == unix commands for windows
[09:52] <Crystufer> mp3=mad
[09:52] <imbrandon> cygwin.redhat.com
[09:52] <Bilford> KDevelop?
[09:52] <Firetech> isn't koffice-latest supposed to point to koffice-151 instead of koffice-15? (at http://kubuntu.org/packages)
[09:52] <nixternal`2go> gahahhahhahah
[09:52] <nixternal`2go> hbo has the bunny ranch on
[09:53] <orient2000> well mp3toog is fine
[09:53] <nixternal`2go> wrong channel i know...but i thought you should know
[09:53] <Crystufer> what is the bunny ranch?
[09:53] <nixternal`2go> a great american freedom
[09:53] <nixternal`2go> lol
[09:53] <EvilIdler> One word: Nevada.
[09:53] <imbrandon> Firetech: no, those are only installable by choice
[09:53] <Crystufer> also, thanks imbrandon I'm gonna check the google for cygwin.
[09:53] <nixternal`2go> it is a special place in nevada
[09:53] <nixternal`2go> oh no...cygwin....
[09:53] <nixternal`2go> actually...cygwin is a saviour forme
[09:54] <imbrandon> bunny ranch == where i spent alot of my time while married and living in reno
[09:54] <nixternal`2go> damn
[09:54] <nixternal`2go> i have never been...
[09:54] <Firetech> imbrandon: I noted that 151 only is available for dappper, too... maybe it's time to upgrade? (I think I'll wait until after next week, then there's no more schoolwork to worry about :P)
[09:54] <imbrandon> your not missing much ;)
[09:54] <nixternal`2go> lol
[09:55] <imbrandon> Firetech: upto you, i've been running dapper months ;)
[09:55] <imbrandon> your choice though
[09:55] <imbrandon> brb smoke time
[09:55] <nixternal`2go> i really not into stable anything
[09:55] <nixternal`2go> i need the latest and greatest
[09:55] <Firetech> right now I NEED a stable computer, an I DON'T have time to fix migration issues...
[09:55] <Hobbsee> Firetech: then dont upgrade yet.
[09:56] <Firetech> exactly :P
[09:56] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:56] <Crystufer> installing cygwin.
[09:56] <nixternal`2go> forget likes ;D
[09:56] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:56] <nixternal`2go> from the way it sounds...there are really only some minor tweaks left with dapper prior to release...righ Hobbsee?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: yes
[09:57] <Hobbsee> everything's being very carefully done this close to release
[09:57] <nixternal`2go> i had one issue with dapper...and flight 7 seemed to take care of it
[09:57] <nixternal`2go> every thing i have thrown at it has gone w/o problem
[09:57] <Crystufer> Excellent.
[09:57] <Crystufer> nixternal`2go, have yout tried wine?
[09:57] <nixternal`2go> i have put it on every type of machine possible and it flat out flies
[09:58] <imbrandon> wine works good, as does crossover office and cedega
[09:58] <nixternal`2go> Crystufer: i try not to mix win and nix....it is like drinking and driving...you just shouldn't do it
[09:58] <Firetech> the only "unstable" thing I run is amaroK from SVN, but since I have a kde svn account, unbreaking stuff isn't that much of a problem ;)
[09:58] <Crystufer> nixternal`2go, I gotta or my bros will kill me if they don't get their games.
[09:58] <nixternal`2go> i use windows for some autocad and custom spreadsheets...that is about it
[09:58] <Crystufer> I gotta dual boot at least.
[09:58] <nixternal`2go> lol...i really don't game anymore
[09:59] <nixternal`2go> tuxracer is it ;D
[09:59] <Crystufer> Well, I need wine or cedega.
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hehe yeah!  go tuxracer!
[09:59] <nixternal`2go> i am gonna order me some x2 love here soon...and it will be kubuntu
[09:59] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[09:59] <Hobbsee> although planetpenguin-racer is better - it's in dapper
[09:59] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[09:59] <nixternal`2go> really...
[10:00] <nixternal`2go> i am not even gonna try to game on this laptop
[10:00] <imbrandon> lol
[10:00] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: more levels, etc
[10:00] <Crystufer> And I've never gotten it to work right. likely just because I haven't used my seperate windows installation yet.
[10:00] <nixternal`2go> i had kubuntu breezy on here and it was so slow...so i put on xubuntu...now i have on dapper...and by far dapper has been the quickest
[10:00] <nixternal`2go> and it orinoco'd my wireless instead of horrible ndiswrapper
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> yay orinoco...on a prismII card that i hacked so it would rfmon correctly
[10:01] <Crystufer> bash.exe!ahahahahahaha
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> hahah cygwin goody
[10:01] <Crystufer> what is xubuntu anyways?
[10:01] <imbrandon> xfce4 desktop
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> xfce
[10:01] <nixternal`2go> ya
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> pwn3d
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> and i love nubuntu too
[10:02] <Crystufer> it would be sweet to "right click>open bash term here"
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> that is a fluxbox version for security testing
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> If you want cgwin for anything useful you should install the commandline stuff from the server resource kit (with pstat and ntkill you can manage stuff without needing vnc)
[10:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: breezy kde was slow anyway
[10:02] <nixternal`2go> ya..i noticed
[10:03] <imbrandon> *cough* not supported by conocial *cough*
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> prior to kde i used gnome in the middle 90's
[10:03] <imbrandon> nubuntu that it
[10:03] <Crystufer> huh?
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> i have been on cde since the 80's
[10:03] <Crystufer> hahahaha!
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> now i am trying out jde on solaris 10 and it is horrible
[10:03] <nixternal`2go> a java version of gnome
[10:04] <Crystufer> Administrator@basement ~
[10:04] <imbrandon> lol
[10:04] <nixternal`2go> haha
[10:04] <nixternal`2go> Sysinfo for '3lockbox': Linux 2.6.15-23-386 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Celeron(Coppermine) at 696 MHz (1393 bogomips), , RAM: 183/186MB, 86 proc's, 1.11h up
[10:04] <nixternal`2go> whoa...actually this sytem is faster then i thought...i thought it was a 400
[10:05] <imbrandon> my fileserver is a 333 celeron with dapper ;)
[10:05] <nixternal`2go> mine isn't much more than that
[10:05] <nixternal`2go> i think it is a 466 cellery
[10:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal`2go: ouch.
[10:05] <Crystufer> hey, imbrandon. What am i supposed to do to download all this stuff exactly?
[10:05] <imbrandon> heh read up on apt-mirror
[10:06] <imbrandon> took me a few days to get it right, and i'm used to that kinda thing ;)
[10:06] <Crystufer> crap
[10:06] <nixternal`2go> my main server is debian sarge on a dl360 dual xenon love
[10:06] <imbrandon> CyberSix: but i'll give ya a hint
[10:06] <EvilIdler> Don't let the apt-mirror manpage confuse you by reading it; just find a howto
[10:06] <imbrandon> i have a sample mirrors.list on my webserver you can use
[10:07] <imbrandon> CyberSix: http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/mirrors.list  <---- that will save you lots of time configing it
[10:07] <imbrandon> i'm sorry its : http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/mirror.list
[10:07] <Crystufer> You know you're talking to CyberSix instead of Crystufer , right?
[10:08] <imbrandon> once you install apt-mirror, put that in /etc/apt/
[10:08] <Crystufer> Tab completion is a dangerous mistress.
[10:08] <imbrandon> lol
[10:08] <nixternal`2go> haha
[10:08] <Crystufer> apt-get command not found.
[10:08] <Crystufer> ouch.
[10:08] <nixternal`2go> lol
[10:09] <imbrandon> yea cygwin is not ubuntu ;)
[10:09] <Crystufer> I like ubuntu though.
[10:09] <imbrandon> just got get apt-mirror.sf.net
[10:09] <nixternal`2go> i was gonna say...i don't remember debian commands in cygwin
[10:09] <imbrandon> use that mirror.list and change the base path and comment out what you dont want to mirrir
[10:10] <imbrandon> then run apt-mirror, and wait for 11 gigs + to download
[10:10] <Crystufer> crud.
[10:10] <imbrandon> heh i dident say it was easy i said it could be done ;)
[10:10] <Crystufer> fair enough.
[10:10] <imbrandon> THEN you have to setup a webserver to point to that mirror for the other installs to use it
[10:11] <imbrandon> as an apt-source
[10:11] <Crystufer> I'm not interested in actually mirroring I'm afraid.
[10:11] <Crystufer> I actually want to burn it all to cd then transfer it to my linux hd.
[10:11] <r0xz> how are the live-cd's coming? as install or live-cd?
[10:12] <imbrandon> ahh then you will have to homebrew up something
[10:12] <Crystufer> or better yet, ipod and sneaker-net
[10:12] <r0xz> ok i am just out off bed :(
[10:12] <EvilIdler> You shouldn't start brewing until you know the taste
[10:12] <r0xz> *how are the cd's coming? as install or live-cd?
[10:12] <Crystufer> Man, all I want is to get a shit load of debs.
[10:12] <imbrandon> r0xz: both
[10:12] <EvilIdler> r0xz: Yes
[10:13] <Crystufer> Hey, EvilIdler .
[10:13] <EvilIdler> At least the DVDs will do both, so they're recommended
[10:13] <imbrandon> Crystufer: the problem with that is ubuntu uses 17000+ debs ;)
[10:13] <Crystufer> yeah. pin.
[10:13] <Crystufer> pain*
[10:14] <imbrandon> soooooo basicly its grab what you need one by one or run a local mirror
[10:14] <Crystufer> Yep.
[10:14] <Crystufer> harshness.
[10:14] <imbrandon> i choose to run a local mirror ( becosue i give my local lug access to my mirror also )
[10:14] <Crystufer> If my main pc was up, it'd be a no brainer.
[10:14] <Crystufer> what is a lug?
[10:14] <imbrandon> linux users group
[10:14] <Crystufer> Oh.
[10:15] <Crystufer> What locality?
[10:15] <imbrandon> cron updates my mirror ever 30 minutes
[10:15] <imbrandon> kansas city  www.kclug.org
[10:15] <orient2000> There is few files in /themes/kubuntu after installation. I hope it works. I go BOOT now. Thanks.
[10:15] <imbrandon> or #kclug here on freenode ;)
[10:15] <Crystufer> 30 minutes?!
[10:16] <imbrandon> it dosent download the whole mirror , only whats changed ;)
[10:16] <imbrandon> heh
[10:16] <Crystufer> So it's constantly making sure you have the same as what is on the official?
[10:16] <imbrandon> basicly yup
[10:16] <MasterEvilAce> Hey, kubuntu isn't booting. I went to recovery mode and i get an error with "startx" .. it says NVIDIA: failed to load the nvidia kernel module!  Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
[10:17] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:17] <MasterEvilAce> Happens after I did an adept update (downloaded updated software)
[10:17] <EvilIdler> Recovery mode = no modules loaded, like the graphics driver
[10:17] <Crystufer> Okay. So how do i find out the requirements for a package?
[10:17] <EvilIdler> modprobe nvidia should get it up
[10:17] <DaveQB11> Does Dapper have an exact release date ??
[10:17] <imbrandon> the first
[10:17] <DaveQB11> woohoo
[10:17] <DaveQB11> something to count down to :)
[10:18] <DaveQB11> thanx imbrandon_
[10:18] <imbrandon> Crystufer: without installing ?
[10:18] <imbrandon> you can read the debain/control file, but i think there is another way , hold on
[10:19] <imbrandon> actualy type man dpkg and it should tell you or man dpkg-deb
[10:19] <Hobbsee> DaveQB11: june 1
[10:19] <Crystufer> Nope, winpc.
[10:20] <linyll> good morning, i wrote my CV with Kword and i wish know if i can make a pdf from kword ?
[10:20] <imbrandon> ouch hmmm not realy sure if there is a sane way then ( other than ripping the deb apart and reding the debain/control OR looking on the package wiki )
[10:20] <DaveQB11> thanx Hobbsee :) I am loking forward
[10:20] <DaveQB11> linyll:  File > Export > PDF ???
[10:20] <Crystufer> kde is definitely pretty though.
[10:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what are they looking to do?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> oh
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Crystufer: apt-cache show packagename.
[10:21] <imbrandon> find the packages a deb depends on ( in windows )
[10:21] <linyll> DaveQB11: i do not have this... is there a .deb ?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> oh...in windows...
[10:21] <imbrandon> yea , heh
[10:21] <DaveQB11> linyll:  Kword ?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: search pacakges.ubuntu.com for the package.
[10:21] <Crystufer> grr.
[10:21] <imbrandon> Crystufer: yea what Hobbsee said
[10:22] <Crystufer> really?
[10:22] <linyll> yes for kword
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Crystufer: yeah.  what did you need it for?
[10:22] <orient2000> Thank you for helping me. No more errors except some f arabic letters. I'll have to look at language setup.
[10:22] <Crystufer> just a bunch of stuff for my new kde com.
[10:22] <MasterEvilAce> Ok, I did xorg configure, however no change. The actual NVIDIA module isn't there, for some reason. Anyway I can get that using apt-get in recovery mode?
[10:22] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: getting updated debs for a non net connected laptop from windows
[10:23] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:23] <Hobbsee> why not connected to the net?
[10:23] <imbrandon> brb , smoke break time
[10:23] <imbrandon> dunno dident get that far
[10:23] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:23] <Crystufer> I need flash for konquerer as well as java and xchat and mad and lame.
[10:23] <imbrandon> Crystufer: you need all that without the net connected ?
[10:24] <Crystufer> Yeah.
[10:24] <Crystufer> All kinds of stuff.
[10:24] <Hobbsee> if that's possible, of course
[10:24] <Crystufer> yeah. me too.
[10:24] <imbrandon> ummm how are you gonna chat with no net ?
[10:24] <imbrandon> just curious
[10:24] <imbrandon> not tryinmg to make you fell ummm discouraged
[10:25] <imbrandon> anyhow brb smoke time
[10:25] <Crystufer> Okay. So here's the deal. My bro got a new top. He wants everything installed on it, but doesn't want it connected to the net and can't explain in actual words why not.
[10:25] <Crystufer> I think he has his head up his butt.
[10:25] <imbrandon> ahhh bsicly tell him that he cant have everything installed ( within reason ) without the net ;)
[10:25] <Crystufer> But I'm respecting his wishes because he's my bro.
[10:26] <Crystufer> i'm gonna try first.
[10:26] <Crystufer> if I can get just the codecs it'll be enough for me.
[10:27] <DaveQB11> Crystufer: odd, why net not allowed ? He would never know if it was or not, besides apt-get being configured ;-)
[10:27] <Crystufer> :)
[10:27] <Crystufer> True, but I would know.
[10:27] <imbrandon> codecs will be fun becouse like flash they are not all in the ubuntu repos
[10:27] <Crystufer> yay.
[10:27] <Crystufer> So I gotta search the universe and multiverse too.
[10:27] <imbrandon> no not even in universe and multi
[10:27] <Crystufer> crap.
[10:27] <imbrandon> IE not in the ubuntu repos
[10:28] <Crystufer> I know I saw mad in there somewhere.
[10:28] <imbrandon> they are restriced
[10:28] <DaveQB11> Crystufer: yes true, not saying it a "so go ahead and jump on the net" i am more saying it "why doesnt he want it on the net ? He wont know either way, wont make a diff either way"
[10:28] <imbrandon> !restrictedformats
[10:28] <ubotu> from memory, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:29] <imbrandon> ^^ flash mp3's etc etc etc
[10:29] <Crystufer> Ya know what? forget it all together. I'm gonna just see if I can teach him to use ogg's.
[10:30] <Crystufer> And that kind of thing.
[10:30] <imbrandon> heh
[10:30] <Crystufer> I still need wine though.
[10:30] <Crystufer> I don't even need to get that from ubuntu though, right?
[10:31] <DaveQB11> YAY for ogg and free software! :)
[10:31] <MasterEvilAce> what
[10:31] <MasterEvilAce> s's command to SEARCH apt-get database for nvidia?
[10:31] <Crystufer> I can get wine from the wine repos, right?
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, that would make sense
[10:34] <imbrandon> apt-cache search nvidia
[10:34] <Crystufer> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/otherosfs/wine
[10:34] <DaveQB11> Crystufer:  wine's website has ubuntu .deb's for Breezy
[10:35] <Hobbsee> Crystufer: make sure you get all the deps that you need - it's very difficult to do an install without the net, if you want extra programs
[10:35] <Crystufer> I just want the wine for now. i'll work on everything else later.
[10:36] <Crystufer> I should just install kubuntu on a different pc and apt-get -d all the things i want and then burn them to disc.
[10:36] <imbrandon> *cough* live cd *cough*
[10:37] <Crystufer> You're a smart man, imbrandon.
[10:37] <Crystufer> A very very very smart man.
[10:37] <Crystufer> Or woman.
[10:37] <imbrandon> man ;)
[10:37] <imbrandon> lol
[10:37] <Crystufer> i figured.
[10:37] <Crystufer> "Brandon"
[10:39] <visik7> I've an old install on lvm of ubuntu in a usb disk (that before was attacched to an ide channel, how can I mount it to retrive files inside the lvm partition ?
[10:40] <MasterEvilAce> very weird, but got it fixed
[10:40] <MasterEvilAce> cool stuff
[10:41] <MasterEvilAce> need to work on getting kubuntu to start/shutdown faster though
[10:41] <Crystufer> Hey, how can I make it so that when I put in my ipod, konquerer opens to media:/ipod instead of media:/sda1?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: see the howto at ubuntuforums.org on how to speed up your system
[10:43] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: Danke
[10:47] <MasterEvilAce> anyone know if nvtv works on Dell Inspiron Laptops? (nvidia geforce2 GO).. i want tv-out to work, but i'm not sure if that would work (or even if it's built into my gfx card)
[10:48] <Crystufer> okay, i got a deb. I thought I knew what to do with it. But I was wrong.
[10:48] <Crystufer> What's the konsole command to get my program installed?
[10:51] <Crystufer> nevermind dpkg -i (package) yeah?
[10:51] <Crystufer> sudo dpkg -i wine.deb
[10:58] <nixternal`2go> time for sleep
[10:58] <nixternal`2go> good night all...see ya in a few hours
[11:11] <Crystufer> Anyone still around?
[11:11] <tsume> no :)
[11:12] <Crystufer> Is it possible to make adept check one of my folders for .debs as a repository?
[11:13] <Crystufer> So that when I am using adept i can see the debs I donwloaded by hand and stored?
[11:14] <CutieCoder> ...
[11:14] <Crystufer> I'll take that as a no.
[11:15] <Crystufer> But hello, cutie.
[11:15] <PyroMithrandir> I bet you could, actually
[11:15] <PyroMithrandir> I don't know exactly how, but if you can make it read .debs from a cdrom (the install CD) then it's probably not too different to do it from a folder
[11:16] <Crystufer> That's what i thought.
[11:16] <Crystufer> But it says cdrom:fjksalkfjdskj\
[11:17] <PyroMithrandir> look at the /etc/apt/sources.list and then see if you can find some documentation on how and why it is set up like that
[11:17] <Crystufer> So would i go with file:
[11:17] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, that's my though
[11:17] <PyroMithrandir> but I don't know what you'd do with the "main restricted" part
[11:18] <Crystufer> meh.
[11:18] <PyroMithrandir> Crystufer, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html
[11:18] <PyroMithrandir> the second section there is exactly what you want
[11:18] <PyroMithrandir> :)
[11:22] <Crystufer> I got a crash. That's promising.
[11:23] <Crystufer> okay crud. how do i edit apt-sources by hand?
[11:24] <Hobbsee> Crystufer:
[11:24] <Crystufer> nm
[11:24] <Crystufer> I see it.
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ah, okay
[11:28] <Crystufer> okay, so what's this bit about /dev/null?
[11:29] <Crystufer> use /dev/null when calling dpkg-scanpackages?
[11:31] <Crystufer> blast!
[11:33] <Skrot> Any skype-users around?
[11:33] <Crystufer> Not I.
[11:38] <MasterEvilAce> for services that start in ubuntu... what does rmnologin and screen services do?
[11:38] <m0ns00n> Why aren't there more plugins written for Mozilla?
[11:39] <m0ns00n> The plugin dev package etc is fully available to anyone, but there aren't many plugins like flash and mozplug out there
[11:39] <m0ns00n> Is it cumbersome to develop?
[11:41] <Crystufer> ?
[12:13] <Den> Hi - I want to make an mp3 file(s) from a cd.  I found kaudiocreator - but there is no options for mp3 encoding available.  Do I need to add something to my repositories to gain mp3 encoding ability?  Is there a better program to use for this than kaudiocreator.  FWIW, the cd is a language learning cd - basically all voice.
[12:14] <Skrot> Den: Try k3b :)
[12:15] <Den> Skrot: er, I want to take audio off the cd into (preferably) mp3 format
[12:15] <Skrot> yupp
[12:15] <Skrot> k3b will do that for you :)
[12:15] <Den> Skrot: I've used k3b, but that's just for burning cd's right
[12:15] <Den> ?
[12:15] <Skrot> nope, it can rip as well :)
[12:15] <Skrot> Even hooks you up with CDDB and tags your files
[12:17] <Den> thx
[12:17] <Skrot> np :)
[12:18] <Bilford> whats the main image viewer in Kubuntu
[12:18] <Skrot> Bilford: Dunno if there's a standard viewer, but I find gwenview to be good :)
[12:19] <Den> Skrot: Are you sure?? There is nothing in the help, or menus that I can see, for reading audio off cd & writing .mp3 files - wehre do I look for that function?
[12:19] <Skrot> Den: Insert the audioCD, open it from k3b on the left treeview thingy
[12:19] <Skrot> Then there should be a button for ripping the CD in the top right window
[12:19] <Den> thx
[12:20] <Skrot> They should make it easier to find indeed, it's a nice feature :)
[12:21] <Den> Skrot: do you know if kaudiocreator will do this also?
[12:21] <Skrot> Never used it :)
[12:21] <Den> thx
[12:23] <kosh> wow you guys sure do stuff the hard way
[12:23] <kosh> just use audiocd:/  and drag the mp3 files off the disk
[12:24] <kosh> it will encode, do cddb etc
[12:24] <kosh> it is a built in part of kde
[12:24] <Skrot> kosh: But k3b gives more options for ripping :)
[12:24] <kosh> I always rip with the same options
[12:24] <kosh> ogg max quality
[12:25] <EvilIdler> Some people don't always use the same options
[12:25] <Skrot> mp3 vbr >=192 to 320, does the kio-slave have such a option?
[12:25] <kosh> yes
[12:26] <Skrot> I've never used it, to be frank :)
[12:26] <kosh> most of my oggs are about 400-500kbps
[12:27] <Bilford> I convert rm files to wav using   mplayer file.rm -ao pcm:file=file.wav  .  Is there an easier drag and drop way like  audiocd:
[12:27] <EvilIdler> At that rate, FLAC is probably a better choice :)
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> EW
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> flac.
[12:28] <kosh> flac was not an option when I was first doing that, I could reencode stuff though
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> nasty
[12:28] <kosh> what is wrong with flac?
[12:28] <MasterEvilAce> they're ginormous
[12:28] <EvilIdler> FLAC is non-lossy and opensource. What do you expect?
[12:28] <Den> kosh: I want to convert a cd with language instruction to mp3  - audiocd will only drag .mp3's off a cd that already has .mp3 files, yes?
[12:29] <Skrot> Den: No. The mp3s are "virtual".. when you drag them, the audio is converted to mp3-files
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> if i wanted lossless, i'd go for WAV lol
[12:29] <kosh> Den: no, the audiocd:/ ioslave is a virtual view of the cdrom, it shows all the audio tracks as mp3, ogg, wav etc files that you can drop off and it will encode them then
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> everything can play WAV's
[12:29] <MasterEvilAce> why use FLAC in that case
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Well, everything can use FLAC on a computer
[12:29] <kosh> all my stuff would play flac
[12:29] <EvilIdler> iAudio portable players can play FLAC
[12:29] <Bilford> why is mp3 more popular than ogg
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Age
[12:29] <kosh> it was out first
[12:29] <Bilford> ogg is old
[12:29] <kosh> mp3 is older
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Ogg is newborn compared to MP3 :)
[12:30] <Skrot> Besides, MP3 was hyped by the media like crazy
[12:30] <Crystufer> Hey. Don't you people ever sleep?
[12:30] <Bilford> hasnt ogg been out since the 1900s
[12:30] <EvilIdler> Crystufer: I guess some humans do.
[12:30] <Skrot> Everyone has heard of Mp3 :)
[12:30] <Crystufer> That's at least 100 years ago!
[12:30] <kosh> 500kbps is probably not much smaller then a flac file
[12:30] <Den> Skrot: or kosh so, use "audiocd:/" with what: konquewror?
[12:30] <Skrot> Den: yupp
[12:30] <kosh> Den: yup
[12:30] <Den> thx
[12:30] <MasterEvilAce> ogg won't replace mp3 becase mp3 is too popular
[12:30] <kosh> once you have it setup how you want you just pop in a cd, drag the files off and be done with it
[12:30] <MasterEvilAce> it's hard to kill something that's so commonly used
[12:31] <kosh> why does it have to replace mp3?
[12:31] <Crystufer> ogg was born last thursday.
[12:31] <EvilIdler> Especially with so many imperfect ears :P
[12:31] <Skrot> Yeah. Old habits die hard :>
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> what's the point if it doesn't?
[12:31] <kosh> it sounds better and it works great on my computer for encoding my cds
[12:31] <kosh> because without destroying the competition it still works great
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> What's the point of having 5 formats if people will only use one, and are only able to play one "right out of the box"
[12:31] <EvilIdler> Ogg/Vorbis has a friendly license. Most non-Microsoft games use it now.
[12:31] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[12:32] <Bilford> but what if Linux kills Microsoft
[12:32] <kosh> ogg is playable out of the box on every linux dist, mp3 is not for license reasons
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> I like ogg, too. i'm jsut saying.. it's practically not going to take off for general people-use
[12:32] <dergringo> Is there any software that can sync with google calendar (including write access trough Google API)?
[12:32] <EvilIdler> So it's not exactly a minority anymore. It just has different fields of use where it's more popular.
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> linux can't kill microsoft
[12:32] <Crystufer> My linux can't play mp3's
[12:32] <Lynoure> Bilford: Microsoft is suiciding, more likely =)
[12:32] <Bilford> lol
[12:32] <Skrot> Lynoure: Agreed. They are fighting them self :p
[12:32] <kosh> well considering that linux is a kernel I doubt it is going to kill microsoft
[12:32] <MasterEvilAce> more home users use windows than linux. windows plays Mp3 out of the box
[12:32] <EvilIdler> If Linux is going to kill Windows for desktop use, I really, really want it to happen so slowly we can actually teach people to use computers ;)
[12:33] <dergringo> MasterEvilAce: Kubuntu has Office out of the box :)
[12:33] <kosh> honestly if it never kills windows that is still fine with me
[12:33] <Lynoure> It's easy to teach people to use Linux
[12:33] <Bilford> Crystufer, by choice?  or you dont know how
[12:33] <Skrot> Just look at Xbox360. Xbox360 COULD have been a great high-def media center for your living room, but that would not be good for microsoft, since they already have a media center OS to sell =)
[12:33] <EvilIdler> Exactly.
[12:33] <EvilIdler> *I* use it and I'm happy with it.
[12:33] <kosh> I have been using linux for about 10 years now and will continue to
[12:33] <Lynoure> My mother will go from Debian to Ubuntu next month :)
[12:33] <Lynoure> (she is 65 now)
[12:33] <EvilIdler> I also use Windows for games, I have various certs and many years of experience, and I *still* have trouble with it all the time.
[12:33] <Bilford> I'd never switch my parents from Windows
[12:33] <MasterEvilAce> linux is cool.. it could use a few things though to make it easier.. the only reason i don't use it as main OS is because linux can't run windows apps (flawlessly)
[12:33] <Den> Are there any portable audio players readily available that play.ogg?
[12:33] <kosh> microsoft would have to make massive fundamental improvements to windows to make it even possible for me to switch to that for my work
[12:34] <Bilford> no reason to
[12:34] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Alot of programs do work flawlessly and there are alot of native ports
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: but they DO make the 360 tie with the Media Center OS :P
[12:34] <Lynoure> Bilford: For her it was added speed and less hassle with upgrades
[12:34] <XVampireX> :P
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> XVampireX: not the ones i care about though :P
[12:34] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: Indeed. And that's what I hate about them. :)
[12:34] <EvilIdler> I prefer an OS that gives me devtools right out of the install CD.
[12:34] <kosh> I use windows for games and linux for all my work
[12:34] <Crystufer> Bilford, I kinda know how.
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> XVampireX: I don't care if powerpoint works, for example
[12:34] <Skrot> If you buy one product, you'll need ten more to complete it
[12:34] <Lynoure> kosh: Same here.
[12:35] <Bilford> Crystufer,  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:35] <kosh> I have not used any windows productivity software in close to 8 years or so
[12:35] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Okey
[12:35] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: Look at the PS3, it comes with linux. How long would you think it will take before some HTPC-software is ported to it and it becomes a fully powered home theater computer? :)
[12:35] <Den> Skrot: or kosh Are there any portable audio players readily available that play.ogg?
[12:35] <EvilIdler> I use their compiler occasionally. It's still a pain.
[12:35] <kosh> I do server software development mostly with zope and python
[12:35] <kosh> Den: I don't know squat about portable audio players, I don't have them, have not researched them and don't have an intention to get one
[12:35] <Crystufer> Bilford, Now tell me how to do it without the internet.
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: well that hasn't been entirely comfirmed yet. Even if sony says it now, i don't trust jack sony says until it actually gets out
[12:36] <Den> kosh: thx
[12:36] <Bilford> Crystufer, youre on the internet now
[12:36] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: To be frank, I don't either. But if it does ship with linux, it WILL kick ass on that front :)
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> Den: I think a few portable players support it.. but i know a lot don't because ogg requires more cpu power, generally, and that = less battery life
[12:36] <kosh> Skrot: it would be cheaper to get a Wii and a regular entertainment system :)
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: I agree!
[12:37] <dergringo> Is there any software that can sync with google calendar (including write access trough Google API)?
[12:37] <Crystufer> Bilford, This is my windows.
[12:37] <Bilford> does Wii use Linux
[12:37] <XVampireX> When PS3 comes out, all you get it
[12:37] <kosh> I won't
[12:37] <XVampireX> Why?
[12:37] <Skrot> I'll get it if it ships with a open linux ready for brewing :)
[12:37] <Bilford> Wii uses Opera
[12:37] <XVampireX> No money?
[12:37] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Quite a lot of players support Ogg/Vorbis now. Even FLAC is starting to become popular.
[12:37] <MasterEvilAce> Because you already have linux?
[12:37] <XVampireX> Skrot: It will
[12:37] <Den> MasterEvilAce: Is there a .ogg format that is near .mp3 in cpu reqts?
[12:37] <kosh> umm because the games on the Wii interest me a heck of a lot more
[12:37] <Skrot> XVampireX: So they say, but as MasterEvilAce pointed out, I won't belive it before I see it myself :)
[12:38] <XVampireX> Kosh: Yeah, you can always get both
[12:38] <XVampireX> Skrot: There's nothing to believe, it's there
[12:38] <kosh> XVampireX: why waste the money on the PS3 though? what could I possibly gain from it?
[12:38] <Skrot> XVampireX: Have you seen it?
[12:38] <XVampireX> No, but when official sources say it will, then it will.
[12:38] <kosh> XVampireX: my desktop computer is a lot more powerful and the new one will be staggeringly more powerful
[12:38] <EvilIdler> Den: The only Ogg audio format that's commonly in use is Vorbis, and it's a bit heavy for small devices.
[12:39] <XVampireX> PS3 is running a different processor then what you have
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> Den: I dunno? I know OGG compresses better with the same quality as a similar bitrate mp3.. but that compression comes at expense to power consumption.. so, i dunno.
[12:39] <XVampireX> You can't compare
[12:39] <kosh> XVampireX: a PS3 is not any good for anything that I do and it is very hard to optimize for
[12:39] <EvilIdler> The CPU use of Vorbis is not noticable on my computers, but a small device using any ARM really notices it
[12:39] <XVampireX> Huh?
[12:39] <Den> EvilIdler: MasterEvilAce thx
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> I personally hate the PS3, just because Sony is throwing too much at it, in my opinion. Maybe it'll be good, but I would not buy one unlses it had a hell of a lot of EXCLUSIVE games that i want. even then.. it'd need a LOT
[12:40] <EvilIdler> PS2 and PS3 are like consoles from different worlds.
[12:40] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: yeah, portable music players is what i mean
[12:40] <EvilIdler> In fact, I think Sony will be competing with itself.
[12:40] <kosh> XVampireX: I do database development with web app stuff so I want io (disk and memory) and cpu power, what value does a PS3 have to me?
[12:40] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: My guess is that most games will ship for both xbox360 and PS3
[12:40] <XVampireX> What the heck? PS3 is a console
[12:40] <XVampireX> Has nothing to do with computers
[12:41] <kosh> XVampireX: then why are you pressing so hard that it will run linux, if you are using it as a game console who cares what os it runs?
[12:41] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: The best audio players I know of are iAudio. Linux supported, harddrive version available, hacked (opensource) firmware available.
[12:41] <Skrot> There is no such thing as a console any more. This new high-def generation killed the console. It's all about "entertainment system" now :)
[12:41] <MasterEvilAce> Skrot: I think so too. It makes sense for DEVs, as they'll make a hell of a lot more money, since both consoles aren't going to be as popular as older consoles were (due to price)
[12:41] <Lynoure> iaudios seem yummy...
[12:41] <Skrot> Agreed. This isn't kubuntu-related :p
[12:41] <kosh> Skrot: the Wii is a real console and the launch titles look amazing
[12:42] <Skrot> kosh: Agreed, but the Wii isn't really "next gen"
[12:43] <MasterEvilAce> kosh: I like the Wii in a sense that it's different, and affordable. However, I'd wait maybe a year to see what happens with it. Nintendo seems into gimmicky stuff, and for example, the DS, seems not entirely worth it.. and that AND the gamecube never really got any KILLER games
[12:43] <klerfayt> tell me why do the same fonts look different in suse? (dpi is same)
[12:44] <kosh> MasterEvilAce: re4, metroid prime 1 and 2, eternal darkness
[12:44] <XVampireX> You need to look in the positive side
[12:45] <klerfayt> I'm more concerned about smaller font sizes - they look less "rounded" or something in kubuntu
[12:45] <XVampireX> with PS3 being powered by Linux, it will help linux gaming
[12:45] <kosh> that one I don't know klerfayt I have not seen those issues
[12:45] <Bilford> how do I add more Applets to my KDE applet menu
[12:45] <XVampireX> But shit, PS3 costs a fortune
[12:45] <Bilford> I mean, how do I add more to choose from
[12:45] <EvilIdler> Not powered by. Optional.
[12:45] <MasterEvilAce> kosh: I have trouble w/ Metroid prime on gamecube. don't like the control scheme at all, really. RE4 demo was cool, I want that. On PS2 it sucked badly though (bad controls)... Eternal darkness i've heard of, but not looked into
[12:45] <eeos> hi there. does anyone know about a linux alternative to skype?
[12:45] <imbrandon> Bilford: right click on the pannel
[12:45] <EvilIdler> You won't launch into a KDE desktop, sadly
[12:45] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: Actually, I think it's powered by linux
[12:45] <imbrandon> eeos: there is a skyupe client for linux
[12:45] <Bilford> I know, I get a list of applets to choose from.  How do I get more
[12:46] <imbrandon> skype
[12:46] <XVampireX> Not like PS2 linux pack
[12:46] <eeos> I have tried the skype client and it is awful
[12:46] <imbrandon> console talk in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[12:46] <EvilIdler> I suspect it's still specialised firmware - their devkits are Linux, though
[12:46] <klerfayt> smaller fonts have "boxy" look in kubuntu
[12:46] <eeos> no video, sound is OSS, version is 1.2
[12:47] <EvilIdler> Skype might be in multiverse or PLF
[12:47] <imbrandon> eeos: unfortunately thats the only version atm
[12:47] <Skrot> I'm using the newest skype, and I'm having toruble with the sound
[12:47] <imbrandon> Evil thats fgrom sktpe themselfs
[12:47] <XVampireX> Skrot: Skype will have problems because it's using OSS
[12:47] <Skrot> sigh
[12:47] <klerfayt> in kubuntu smaller fonts are more readable than in suse
[12:47] <_neo> hi
[12:47] <XVampireX> You can't use other sound programs with it
[12:47] <Bilford> Where can I download more appletss
[12:47] <Skrot> Why would they use OSS?
[12:47] <kosh> who knows
[12:48] <XVampireX> Cause they hate linux
[12:48] <kosh> oss was deprecated before skype even existed
[12:48] <EvilIdler> eeos: You're better off using a real VoIP provider and SIP software
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: 18,000 isnt enough?
[12:48] <imbrandon> oss will work fine ( alsa has a compatibility layer )
[12:48] <XVampireX> They promised ALSA for a while now
[12:48] <_neo> how can i enable the root login on kubunto ?
[12:48] <eeos> what about aother product open source based which supports chat, audio and video? is there anything like that?
[12:48] <_neo> kubuntu*
[12:48] <kosh> however why not just get a good sound card
[12:48] <Bilford> Snake[Sleep] , where do you see 18000
[12:48] <Skrot> I get "problem with sound device" even if /dev/dsp is not locked, or is locked to skype
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: in the repos..
[12:48] <Skrot> And sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't
[12:48] <imbrandon> Bilford: check kde-look.org or google please
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > ubotu: tell Bilford about sources
[12:48] <kosh> you can get rid of just about every possible audio problem in linux with a $30 pci sound card
[12:48] <XVampireX> Yeah, SIP is cool, you can use whatever software you want and call to other people using SIP powered software
[12:48] <eeos> EvilIdler: do hey support video conferencing as well?
[12:48] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: Go to the sites ubotu just sent you, and get yourself some universe/multiverse repos
[12:49] <XVampireX> But with skype and microsoft and every company with monopoly it's hard to do that stuff, they want you to work how they want you to work.
[12:49] <Bilford> I have both, and Im already at kde-look.org
[12:49] <eeos> do you know of agood SIP provider in UK?
[12:49] <imbrandon> Snake[Sleep] : he is talking aobut pannel applets
[12:49] <EvilIdler> eeos: There's supposedly a few IM clients that have plugins for such weirdness
[12:49] <Snake[Sleep] > imbrandon: OHhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[12:49] <imbrandon> Bilford: check kde-look.org or google please
[12:49] <eeos> EvilIdler: :-D
[12:49] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: there are more applets in the repos too, if you havnt checked, is there a peticular one your looking for??
[12:49] <Bilford> Im already at kde-look.org
[12:49] <EvilIdler> Personally, I don't think people need to see me first thing in the morning on a conference call.
[12:49] <kosh> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102002
[12:49] <Bilford> Ok, I'll check the repos
[12:50] <_neo> how can i enable root login on kubuntu please
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > Bilford: apt-cache search applet
[12:50] <Bilford> Snake[Sleep] , no, not any in particular
[12:50] <Bilford> ok ty
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > _neo: you should have to
[12:50] <Skrot> kosh: That will work swell on my 12" laptop :p
[12:50] <EvilIdler> eeos: Dig around Freshmeat for names. GAIM has an experimental video plugin.
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > !sudo
[12:50] <ubotu> methinks sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > ^ _neo ^
[12:50] <kosh> Skrot: there is a reason I don't like laptops :)
[12:50] <MasterEvilAce> does GAIM even support damn buddy icons?
[12:50] <Snake[Sleep] > MasterEvilAce: yulp
[12:51] <EvilIdler> That's a point *against* GAIM
[12:51] <MasterEvilAce> KDE ROCKS
[12:51] <XVampireX> kopete is KDE
[12:51] <EvilIdler> I use Kopete, anyway :)
[12:51] <MasterEvilAce> The last thing i want all over my OS is a giant foot
[12:51] <imbrandon> so can kopete
[12:51] <Snake[Sleep] > Kopete never worked for me :D
[12:51] <_neo> some actions i cant make with my user login
[12:51] <_neo> so
[12:51] <eeos> does kopete have one coming?
[12:52] <_neo> yes
[12:52] <klerfayt> MasterEvilAce: foot print belongs to konqui
[12:52] <Skrot> Kopete for IM, Konversation for IRC. Aye :)
[12:52] <imbrandon> neo use sudo
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > imbrandon: I know they say I can, I never got it to work tho
[12:52] <Snake[Sleep] > _neo: you put "sudo" infront of the command and it gives you temp. root rights
[12:52] <MasterEvilAce> klerfayt: ? I'm referring to gnome
[12:52] <_neo> i c
[12:53] <_neo> but no way to make root able to login in ?
[12:53] <EvilIdler> Somebody make a qt-java mod for Azureus, and my desktop will be almost entirely KDE-based :)
[12:53] <imbrandon> check this link neo
[12:53] <imbrandon> !sudo
[12:53] <ubotu> it has been said that sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[12:53] <_neo> okay
[12:53] <eeos> get a look at http://www.ekiga.org/
[12:53] <MasterEvilAce> sudo is awesome
[12:53] <eeos> someone from another room told me
[12:53] <_neo> thanks
[12:53] <Snake[Sleep] > _neo: you shouldnt have to... the root has no password by default, and if you realllyyyy wanna "run as root" use "sude su" (iirc) But thats not exactly supported in this community
[12:54] <Snake[Sleep] > oops
[12:54] <Snake[Sleep] > sudo su**
[12:54] <_neo> i c
[12:54] <_neo> many thanks
[12:55] <Snake[Sleep] > I think its time to sleep (again) :D
[12:55] <_neo> :d
[12:56] <MasterEvilAce> Bah! Why sleep when you just have to wake up later?
[12:56] <Snake[Sleep] > MasterEvilAce: I dunno, I do this like, everyday: I wake up, tech support a few people in here, go back to bed
[12:56] <Snake[Sleep] > I dont know why, it just happens
[12:56] <Snake[Sleep] > lol
[12:57] <MasterEvilAce> hehe
[12:57] <Snake[Sleep] > Oh and whoever said konversation, psh irssi
[12:58] <eeos> what about chat, voice and videocnferencing peer to peer, forgetting abot calling normal pstn phones? is there anything of the sort?
[12:58] <Snake[Sleep] > Like skype?
[12:58] <Snake[Sleep] > lol
[12:58] <MasterEvilAce> eeos: they're always hard to find, really
[12:59] <EvilIdler> Videoconferencing is something that gives MCSEs I know trouble standing upright.
[12:59] <MasterEvilAce> I could never find anything that 1) Works good 2) looks good 3) does most / all of those things
[12:59] <eeos> MasterEvilAce: I know. I coud not find anything. hoped someone in the room knew about one.
[12:59] <EvilIdler> Sane people can manage phone and email.
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > !info centerirq
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > !info centerirq dapper
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > wtf?
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > !info centericq dapper
[01:00] <ubotu> centericq: (A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 4.21.0-10 (dapper), Packaged size: 1200 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB
[01:00] <Snake[Sleep] > ah ha! Good stuff
[01:03] <eeos> what is this centericq, never heard of.
[01:03] <eeos> where can I find information?
[01:10] <MasterEvilAce> I checked WINE's app database, and it doesn't say much but is Fruity Loops (FL Studio) usable in WINE?
[01:12] <elvstone> hello. is there a package for the microsoft fonts (georgia et.c.) in some restricted repo somewhere?
[01:12] <elvstone> anyone know the package name?
[01:13] <EvilIdler> msttcorefonts
[01:13] <MasterEvilAce> yeah there is a windows font repo
[01:13] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, that's it
[01:14] <elvstone> EvilIdler: thanks. what repo is that from? i have universe added but can't find it..
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Try multiverse
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Or "deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free"
[01:15] <elvstone> hm. do i just change 'universe' to 'multiverse' in sources.list? (sorry new to debian).
[01:16] <MasterEvilAce> it's in multiverse
[01:16] <MasterEvilAce> (just checked adept)
[01:16] <EvilIdler> You add, not change
[01:16] <elvstone> ah. i meant add. but everything the same as the universe lines i already have there, except s/universe/multiverse/ ?
[01:16] <EvilIdler> You can have free, non-free, universe and multiverse specified
[01:17] <elvstone> ah.
[01:17] <MasterEvilAce> Random question.. is there defragging in linux?
[01:17] <elvstone> okidok. thx.
[01:17] <EvilIdler> All four keywords after the rest of the deb specification
[01:19] <elvstone> EvilIdler: i see. i have universe and multiverse now. found the msttcorefonts. thanks a lot.
[01:21] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce: no
[01:21] <klerfayt> hmm I'm screwed I just better reinstall with kde
[01:21] <klerfayt> oops wrong channel
[01:22] <imbrandon> heh
[01:30] <berkes> anyone familiar with Xorg configurations?
[01:30] <MasterEvilAce> depends
[01:31] <berkes> I tried to get GL working with teh latest ATI driver, but while doing that, I broke my mouse scrollweel :)
[01:31] <berkes> I have no idea how to fix this again.
[01:32] <visik7> does kubuntu has wpa setting panel ?
[01:32] <berkes> I already ran apt-reconfigure a couple of times for xorg, but it did not fix this.
[01:32] <berkes> wpa? visik7
[01:33] <visik7> berkes: yes you know wpa ? the successor of wep ?
[01:33] <berkes> is it not under wireless settings in your kconfig?
[01:33] <visik7> I'm still with breezy and it doesn't
[01:33] <MasterEvilAce> berkes: ah, lol i don't know. I have it installed on a laptop :P
[01:34] <berkes> MasterEvilAce: you mean the X settings?
[01:34] <berkes> they are for your laptop too, and if you plug in a mouse It Just Works ;)
[01:35] <MasterEvilAce> hmm.. you want me to look at my xorg?
[01:36] <berkes> MasterEvilAce: thanks for the offer, but no. I can see the diff with my backup,
[01:36] <imbrandon> berkes: just look for the line in your old one that says zmapping "4 5" or simmilar
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> salright
[01:36] <berkes> but i fail to see why it did work in my old settings and not in my new ones
[01:36] <imbrandon> and put it in the new xorg
[01:36] <imbrandon> berkes: just look for the line in your old one that says zaxismapping "4 5" or simmilar
[01:36] <berkes> imbrandon: okay. zmapping. Thanks
[01:36] <imbrandon> something like that
[01:38] <imbrandon> here it is : Option          "ZAxisMapping"          "4 5"
[01:38] <imbrandon> for your InputDevice thats the mouse
[01:38] <imbrandon> "ConfiguredMouse"
[01:38] <imbrandon> then restart x, your scroll wheel will work
[01:39] <berkes> imbrandon: yea, weird, my original conf just did not have that line at all.
[01:39] <MasterEvilAce> anyone use multiple desktops?? The PAGER seems buggy. I have it set to show desktop wallpaper. it doesn't load the other wallpapers until i activate a desktop, that's okay i suppose, but occasionally the thumbnail clears itself out and doesn't come back. weird. is it just me?
[01:39] <berkes> imbrandon: the new conf has that line you suggest, but it does not work :(
[01:40] <imbrandon> did you restart kdm and x ?
[01:40] <berkes> MasterEvilAce: its normal afaikr
[01:40] <imbrandon> after the change
[01:40] <berkes> imbrandon: several times :)
[01:40] <berkes> ill try removing the lines and restatr now. sec.
[01:40] <imbrandon>  /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:41] <berkes> yea, BBIAS
[01:42] <visik7> is there a live cd of flight 7 ?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> visik7: there should be
[01:44] <imbrandon> berkes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14592
[01:46] <visik7> Hobbsee: I can't find it
[01:46] <Hobbsee> visik7: for kubuntu?
[01:46] <visik7> both
[01:46] <XVampireX> What would you say is the second best (In terms of most used) VoIP application?
[01:47] <XVampireX> second best after skype^
[01:47] <Hobbsee> visik7: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[01:47] <visik7> text mode and desktop pd
[01:47] <visik7> text mode and desktop cd
[01:47] <visik7> which one ?
[01:47] <imbrandon> visik7: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: visik7 wanted flight 7
[01:48] <visik7> what's the differences ?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> visik7: as in, the installer from the live cd?
[01:48] <imbrandon> ahh ok, well thats not flight-7 but thats the latest
[01:48] <Hobbsee> visik7: the daily releases are more updated
[01:48] <visik7> but the installer is the same ?
[01:48] <imbrandon> the live cd installer on flight 7 is broke anyhow
[01:49] <Hobbsee> ah is it?
[01:49] <imbrandon> use the daily image
[01:49] <Hobbsee> visik7: use the daily image then
[01:49] <imbrandon> yes hobsee 3 pkgs need updated for it to work
[01:49] <visik7> but before I need a live to do a backup
[01:49] <imbrandon> visik7: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/    <-- newest live cd
[01:50] <visik7> livecd allow me to install too ?
[01:50] <imbrandon> yes
[01:50] <visik7> cool
[01:50] <assasukasse> hi all
[01:50] <assasukasse> i wish to know if ekiga is available with kubuntu or not?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> visik7: imbrandon: i'm told that today's daily should work
[01:51] <Hobbsee> !info ekiga
[01:51] <Hobbsee> !ekiga
[01:51] <ubotu> somebody said ekiga was full-featured SIP and H.323 compatible VoIP, IP-Telephony and Videoconferencing application that allows you to make audio and video calls to remote users with SIP and H.323 hardware or software.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> !info ekiga dapper
[01:51] <ubotu> ekiga: (Free Your Speech), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-0ubuntu6 (dapper), Packaged size: 3572 kB, Installed size: 12188 kB
[01:51] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: breezy or dapper?
[01:51] <assasukasse> dapper
[01:51] <imbrandon> yup
[01:52] <assasukasse> fl7
[01:52] <assasukasse> do i have to install all the gnome libs???
[01:52] <visik7> does kde has a wpa configuration tool ?
[01:52] <visik7> dapper
[01:52] <imbrandon> knetworkmanager
[01:52] <visik7> imbrandon: ok
[01:52] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: probably, yeah
[01:53] <assasukasse> Hobbsee that's a problem...why is always like that, i've to install mb over mb of gnome that i never use..
[01:53] <Hobbsee> because it's built on the gtk libraries?
[01:53] <assasukasse> well that's a good reason :D
[01:54] <VincentMX> hi
[01:54] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: quite possibly, yes :P
[01:54] <assasukasse> btw is that true that in gnome something is missing or is just my impression?
[01:54] <assasukasse> i installed ubuntu just before and i couldn't find many config stuff..
[01:55] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: gnome configuration is usually in the menus, or just doesnt exist.
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hi VincentMX
[01:55] <VincentMX> I'm going to start a small pc company, where i'm going to sell PC's. am i allowed to sell them with Kubuntu Linux installed? since i'm not supposed to use it for commercial purpouseses
[01:55] <berkes> imbrandon: thanks removing that line  did It. I suspected that part to be the part that borked my system, but your confirmation hepled me find and fix it!
[01:56] <VincentMX> I'm going to start a small pc company, where i'm going to sell PC's. am i allowed to sell them with Kubuntu Linux installed? since i'm not supposed to use it for commercial purpouseses
[01:56] <assasukasse> Hobbsee i wanted to know if is possible to show ubuntu applications in gnome only and kubuntu on kde only..i mean i installed kubuntu-desk over ubuntu and got the menues full of things (ubuntu stuff in kubuntu)
[01:56] <VincentMX> Oops
[01:56] <VincentMX> sorry
[01:56] <berkes> VincentMX: off course you are.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> VincentMX: wait around till you get an answer :P
[01:56] <VincentMX> ok
[01:57] <Hobbsee> assasukasse: there may be, i'm not aware of what it is...i doubt it though
[01:57] <berkes> Ive GTG now, but ill ping you in a few mins
[01:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you know?
[01:57] <assasukasse> thanks anyway Hobbsee
[01:57] <berkes> VincentMX: GNU allows you to sell it, as long as you distribute the sources with it.
[01:58] <imbrandon> as long as the source is provided and the computer cost the same with or without kubuntu the i would say yes
[01:58] <berkes> you can even ask 2.000.000.000.000  if you want, GPL allows all that.
[01:58] <Riddell> VincentMX: hi
[01:58] <berkes> nothing keeps you from selling kubuntu/ubuntu, its just that it will **also** be available free of xcharge.
[01:58] <Riddell> VincentMX: yes, please do sell PCs with kubuntu installed
[01:59] <berkes> and on top of that, it is fair to ask money for the service of installing and configuring it, isnt it?
[01:59] <Riddell> VincentMX: you are allowed to use it for commercial purposes, just so long as you give access to the source if someone asks for it
[01:59] <imbrandon> berkes: yes
[02:00] <Riddell> VincentMX: if you use the name kubuntu in your advertising you are also very welcome to do that but you need a trademark licence from canonical, which they'll happily give you at no cost http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[02:02] <Hobbsee> VincentMX: *poke*
[02:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[02:03] <imbrandon> thanks Riddell ;)
[02:03] <imbrandon> * takes note for future qutions like that *
[02:04] <imbrandon> question*
[02:04] <imbrandon> lol
[02:04] <Riddell> I should add it to the FAQ
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that you should
[02:06] <bert> Riddell: Hi, Hows Kubuntu going? will we get updates after 1 june? or are things going Ok foe june1
[02:07] <imbrandon> there always updates ;) *notes there are lots of updates for breezy*
[02:08] <bert> Dapper i am talking about
[02:08] <imbrandon> yes i was using breezy as an example, IE it will be released on june 1 but to think there will be no updates in its life cycle is silly ( 3 years )
[02:11] <bert> I meant in the first week of june, there have been so many updates of the same program, I may as well wait a while for the last update for a while
[02:12] <bert> It's a pain updating a program tonight, then tomorrow night and so on, may as well wait a while
[02:12] <Riddell> bert: looks like june 1st will be good for release day
[02:15] <bert> Riddell: thanks
[02:16] <bert> Riddell: I wonder if someone knows that the screensaver doesn't work, doesn't bother me because I can't be bothered with screen savers
[02:17] <bert> But it should be working
[02:17] <Riddell> bert: I've not heard of that problem
[02:17] <Hobbsee> bert: which screensavers?  rss-glx?
[02:17] <bert> My screensaver never works, and I have seen others mention it too in the forums
[02:18] <Hobbsee> bert: can you point to the forum thread please?
[02:18] <bert> I just have the clock set for a screensaver, but it doesn't work, used to in Breezy
[02:19] <berkes> does anyone actually know if its possible to centralise tha "status" screens?  I work nearly always remotely,
[02:19] <berkes> and the prograss screes are really annoying then.
[02:19] <DanglyBits> i want to install kubuntu-desktop from ubuntu can anyone help with this ??  anyone help with a public key for deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde352 dapper main ?
[02:19] <berkes> progress :)
[02:20] <DanglyBits> i want to have ubuntu and kubuntu on my dapper system
[02:20] <berkes> is there some hidden setting to put them, eg in a single windown taht remains opened amm the time?
[02:21] <berkes> guess i'l need to ask @ #kde ;)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> DanglyBits: yeah, Riddell's key, it's on kubuntu.org site
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.2
[02:22] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde3.5.2 is to upgrade to KDE3.5.2, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[02:27] <MasterEvilAce> Anyone know if there's a way to make mouse cursor stop blinking so much when it plays an animation?
[02:27] <nop> hi
[02:27] <MasterEvilAce> hi
[02:27] <roc> hi
[02:28] <bert> Hobbsee:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159044&highlight=screensaver
[02:31] <justme^fly> huhu
[02:31] <justme^fly> ui wasn das so voll hier !?
[02:31] <House_MD> sorry slightly OT, does anyone here use a asus k8v se mobo?
[02:36] <userbn> hai
[02:47] <Tsuroerusu> I was just curious, is KNetworkManager gonna be integrated in Kubuntu Dapper?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> Tsuroerusu: yes, it's there
[02:47] <Hobbsee> not on by default though, IIRC
[02:48] <Tsuroerusu> Hobbee: Right out of the box, or is in an apt pool?
[02:56] <auTONYmous> where's the kubuntu dev channel? I have a question about kdesu
[02:58] <auTONYmous> NM....I found it
[03:03] <_michel> help: when we make an icon for floppy the icon appears 2 times so to is not possible to umount because device busz
[03:11] <pussfeller> which if any rar thingee handles multipart rars
[03:12] <pussfeller> unrar doesn't
[03:16] <bert> Hobbsee: I fixed my screensaver problem, I had xscreensaver installed, that stopped all screensavers
[03:16] <Hobbsee> bert: weird.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> which screensavers were you trying?
[03:17] <pd273> Hi all, this may not be kubuntu specific, but can some one tell me what a "mailer table" is
[03:17] <Hobbsee> the kscreensavers?
[03:17] <bert> I deleted xscreensaver and now I have the standard screensavers working
[03:17] <Hobbsee> which are the standard screensavers?
[03:17] <bert> No xscreensaver
[03:19] <Hobbsee> well...yeah...
[03:20] <bert> Kscreensaver is installed
[03:20] <Hobbsee> right
[03:22] <bert> Now all I need is to get Konquerer to show a floppy drive correctly in system Media,  Storage Media and then everything is working
[03:41] <fek> moin
[03:44] <nahoj> how do i check my graphic driver?
[03:44] <nahoj> wich one i am using that is...
[03:44] <DeadS0ul> for X or in your kernel?
[03:45] <timbba> Hi, does anyone know how to add mp3 support to amarok? I'm a newbie :/
[03:45] <nahoj> DeadS0ul, is there a difference?
[03:45] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[03:45] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:45] <Hobbsee> timbba: ^
[03:46] <DeadS0ul> hmm guess not
[03:46] <DeadS0ul> use lsmod to see what kernel modules you have, flgrx or somethign liek that is ati, nvidia is nvidias. not sure bout others
[03:47] <timbba> so libxine-extracodecs?? where to find?
[03:48] <nahoj> DeadS0ul, I think I found it... i just need some kaffeine right now.. :p thanks anyway =)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> timbba: multiverse
[03:48] <Hobbsee> !+multiverse
[03:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:49] <timbba> ok thanks hobbsee
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Good morning!
[03:50] <roc> lol it happens to be evening here... xD
[03:50] <roc> but good morning anyway
[03:51] <fabioFx> :)
[03:53] <fabioFx> any is running dapper beta?
[03:53] <DeadS0ul> yeah here
[03:54] <assasukasse> hi all
[03:54] <assasukasse> maybe someone wants to explain me what is the difference between performance, conservative, and userspace
[03:54] <DeadS0ul> heya
[03:55] <fabioFx> I'm at breezer... how to upgrade to dapper? apt-get upgrade-distro?
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> dist-upgrade
[03:55] <fabioFx> yeah :) sorry ..
[03:55] <DeadS0ul> you gotta set up your sources.list first
[03:56] <DaSkreech> assasukasse: Huh?
[03:56] <assasukasse> DaSkreech the power management for laptops..
[03:56] <assasukasse> it has cpu throttle
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Ah ok
[03:56] <DeadS0ul> for performance, reas some of the crap in www.nvidia.com
[03:56] <assasukasse> but no explanation about the meaning
[03:57] <DaSkreech> I would assume that perfermoance == dead battery and conservative means aggravting slow apps opening
[03:57] <DaSkreech> performance
[03:57] <fabioFx> what version kde in dapper?
[03:57] <imbrandon> 3.5.2
[03:58] <fabioFx> thank
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Quite funny :-)
[03:59] <DaSkreech> COurse it's even funnier that the reason this was brought up was ause I thought that CutieCoder was putting up a picture of herself ;-)
[03:59] <DaSkreech> cause
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:00] <Hobbsee> most girls arent silly enough to put their pictures into public channels...
[04:00] <assasukasse> btw is there any brightness control for battery operation?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Oh well you weren't here for the convo :)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> (neither was I for that matter)
[04:01] <DaSkreech> I was reading through the backlog of my idle time and it came up that she was a girl
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Then she said she was a girl she played games, handled guns and was cute
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Then she said she was going to put up some pictures
[04:02] <DaSkreech> and a little after that started talking about guns
[04:02] <DaSkreech> I just thought it was a proof of concept type thing :)
[04:03] <fabioFx> who is she?? :D
[04:04] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i was hoping i wouldnt need to point you to offopic, hoping you'd know better
[04:07] <humbolt> I am getting a million of those when I start kontact/kmail but the app itself does not come up? QGArray::at: Absolute index 892268644 out of range
[04:07] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: hah, the one about me getting woken up?
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Does Yup :-)
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Yup :)
[04:08] <humbolt> what can I do to resolve this problem?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: fyi:  i was awake.  just.
[04:11] <DaSkreech> No problem
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> in xorg.conf what the hell does this option do Option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"
[04:29] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: I guess EDID is Extended Display Identification Data. So I guess UseEdidFreqs means that Xorg will use the freqs it gets from EDID
[04:31] <Skrot> MasterEvilAce: Which means the display knows its own horizontal/vertical frequency, and which video modes are supported at which refresh rates
[04:31] <MasterEvilAce> ah
[04:45] <uwo> hi all. i would like to do a clean install of my system, but just in case something goes wrong i would like to first make a backup, which i could restore if i choose. what is the best way? i have heard of mondo/mindi, but would rather save the backup on an external hard drive...
[04:46] <hunt0r> hi all I try to install ubuntu dapper drake for a while now but it hangs on the boot process with this message everytime: cs: IO port probe 0x100-0x3af
[04:53] <Firetech> hmm, anyone here using QT4 on kubuntu? I'm trying to run qmake-qt4, but it seems to want to run uic from qt3...
[04:53] <Firetech> and the project I have is designed with qt 4 designer (windows, in school)
[04:55] <DeadS0ul> you might have better luck with #kde-devel
[04:56] <kOpter> Yello
[04:56] <kOpter> Because I want to run XGL, I need a new videocard (PCI). Now I know I need an Nvidea, but I also read most ATI problems are now fixed.. Who knows more about this?
[04:58] <ccc_> kOpter: it works fine on my ati radeon 9600pro
[04:58] <nixternal> kOpter: it doesn't matter which way you go with the whole Nvidia & ATI comparison...they are equal pretty mcuh
[04:58] <goldenear> hunt0r: is a a flight releae ?
[04:58] <nixternal> they both work great
[04:58] <kOpter> Caus it will save me about 40 euros :)
[04:59] <goldenear> ccc_: are you runing xgl with KDE ?
[05:00] <kOpter> Probably not :)?
[05:00] <ccc_> goldenear: nope, i'm not running xgl, but i've tried it
[05:00] <hunt0r> goldenear: flight?
[05:00] <goldenear> hunt0r: yes where did you get the iso from ?
[05:01] <hunt0r> http://source.rfc822.org/pub/mirror/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/ i downloaded both the live and the install iso
[05:01] <goldenear> flight CD 7 or dayly build ?
[05:01] <kOpter> ccc: Why do I find so much ATI bashing on the internet then?
[05:02] <ccc_> kOpter: because it's the internet :)
[05:02] <kOpter> But is the driver support of NVidia better?
[05:02] <goldenear> hunt0r: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/
[05:02] <goldenear> try this
[05:03] <ccc_> kOpter: i don't really know, never had an nvidia card. but i've heard people say that too.
[05:04] <hunt0r> goldenear: thx but well I don't think it will solve the problem becouse my laptop hangs everytime when linux trys to load the pcmcia drivers
[05:04] <goldenear> kOpter: an ATI 9250 seems to be working pretty well and is very cheap
[05:05] <goldenear> hunt0r: this is a more recent release... your pcmcia problem may have been fixed
[05:05] <hunt0r> goldenear: the problem is I have just one cd to burn left ^^
[05:05] <goldenear> hunt0r: if not, try to ask about your problem on (k)ubuntu-devel
[05:06] <kOpter> goldenaer: I was looking at a 7000
[05:06] <kOpter> and an FX 5200
[05:06] <kOpter> But the price difference is HUGE: 39 vs 69 euro's,,,,
[05:06] <hunt0r> goldenear: k I will try to ask there thx
[05:06] <goldenear> a 7000 may not be enough powerfull for xlg
[05:06] <goldenear> xgl*
[05:07] <goldenear> the FX5200 is more like an ati 9250 in term of perf.
[05:07] <kOpter> And price
[05:08] <kOpter> I think I'll look for a 5200 then...
[05:10] <ccc_> goldenear: actually i briefly tested the kororaa live-cd (which has both kde and gnome) some time ago. even tried xgl in kde. multiple desktops didn't really work, but apart from that everything was ok. wouldn't recommend it though. :)
[05:12] <goldenear> ccc_: xgl doesn't seem to work with KDE a the moment
[05:17] <Al-Daja> i got 2 programs that only works with IE anything that i can do , or any browser that works like IE?
[05:18] <GullyFoyle> what programs?
[05:19] <kOpter> goldenaer : why not?
[05:19] <Al-Daja> GullyFoyle, well they are programs to a game
[05:19] <GullyFoyle> ?
[05:19] <Al-Daja> kings of chaos
[05:19] <GullyFoyle> java?
[05:19] <GullyFoyle> or something else
[05:19] <Al-Daja> i don't think so i have java
[05:20] <Al-Daja> they were made to work only in IE
[05:20] <Al-Daja> or have the same programation as IE dunno exactly
[05:20] <GullyFoyle> the game itself or looking up stats etc..?
[05:21] <Al-Daja> looking for stats and clicking
[05:22] <GullyFoyle> is it flash maybe?
[05:22] <GullyFoyle> you have to be more specific on what won't run
[05:25] <Al-Daja> nothing works even with wine, i have firefox, konqueror, what i want to know is a way to cheat or a browser that can put that programs to work GullyFoyle
[05:25] <DanglyBits> I want to install Kubuntu on my Dapper Ubuntu system...how do i proceed to do this...the kde repo's are not in my sources.list
[05:29] <xanax`> hello
[05:30] <arafat> DanglyBits: i think sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should work
[05:34] <DeadS0ul> DanglyBits: yeah apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should work
[05:35] <DanglyBits> I get the following error when doing this... E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[05:35] <DanglyBits> i need to have the kde repos in sources.list
[05:36] <DeadS0ul> hmm
[05:36] <_per_> does anyone know the easiest way to try out xgl/compiz on kubuntu?
[05:37] <Bazzi> !+xgl
[05:37] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[05:37] <_per_> ubotu: thanks
[05:37] <ubotu> sure thing, _per_
[05:37] <DeadS0ul> I've tried xgl
[05:38] <DeadS0ul> had to use gnome's window manager for it
[05:38] <DeadS0ul> and it crashed at times
[05:40] <MasterEvilAce> anyone have TV-out experience? Pref. on a laptop
[05:40] <DanglyBits> I want to install Kubuntu on my Dapper Ubuntu system...how do i proceed to do this...the kde repo's are not in my sources.list
[05:47] <graft> err... so how do i get konsole to use a particular character set?
[05:48] <graft> it insists on using 'cp 1252' when i want to use 'iso 8859-1'
[05:50] <merkur> Hi all! If you can read this, my Kubuntu-Installation was successful :-D
[05:54] <apokryphos> merkur: failed ;-)
[05:54] <apokryphos> welcome :)
[05:54] <merkur> Whee :-)
[05:55] <MasterEvilAce> merkur! congrats
[06:04] <leafw> is it advisable to use update-manager from kubuntu ?
[06:04] <leafw> to upgrade from breezy to dapper ?
[06:04] <leafw> should we use gksudo or kdesu ?
[06:06] <apokryphos> leafw: kdesu, preferably; normal kubuntu installations won't havfe gksudo
[06:06] <leafw> fails: no module named pygtk
[06:06] <leafw> although recommended, it's not a dependency !
[06:07] <leafw> so I need python-gnome2-extras I suspect
[06:08] <leafw> which asks for installing basically the gnome desktop in full
[06:08] <leafw> what nonsense? I don't want gnome for kde !?
[06:09] <apokryphos> leafw: personally I'd just use the command line, a lot simpler.
[06:10] <apokryphos> !upgrade
[06:10] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[06:10] <leafw> which is what I am doing
[06:10] <apokryphos> hm, not that method
[06:10] <leafw> apokryphos : you mean changing the apt-get sources ?
[06:10] <apokryphos> yes
[06:10] <leafw> but I can't do a dist-upgrade to a beta, or can I ?
[06:11] <apokryphos> course you can; it's more-or-less the same as using the update manager, just not as easy for total new users
[06:11] <leafw> apokryphos : I was told while ago I coudln't. So just point sources to dapper instead of breezy ?
[06:11] <leafw> is there any caveat?
[06:12] <apokryphos> you definitely can, don't worry
[06:12] <leafw> "don't worry"
[06:12] <leafw> xD
[06:12] <leafw> I trust my backups.
[06:12] <apokryphos> leafw: (i) make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed, (ii) change your sources.list to reflect dapper sources (/msg ubotu sources) (iii) sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:13] <apokryphos> if you encounter problems it's because dapper is the current development release, not because of the method of upgrading.
[06:13] <leafw> apokryphos I am doing just that
[06:14] <apokryphos> might as well fix the wiki
[06:18] <gesho> hello guys, can anyone help me to get my logitec mouse working on my laptop? here is whole trouble: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14598
[06:22] <gesho> anyone can help? can't get ps2 mouse to work.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14598  description
[06:22] <dergringo> can anyone help me to solve this problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14599 ?
[06:24] <apol> dergringo: do you have automake installed?
[06:24] <dergringo> apol: yes automake and autoconf
[06:25] <dergringo> apol: I installed automake* and autoconf*
[06:25] <apol> you could try with make -f Makefile.cvs
[06:28] <leafw> what is the postfix ? Asks for parameters about internet
[06:28] <leafw> which I don't get
[06:28] <leafw> !ubotu postfix
[06:28] <ubotu> [postfix]  the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Postfix or here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[06:28] <_victor> hi
[06:29] <_victor> is this a help channel aslo?
[06:30] <leafw> yes
[06:31] <_victor> cool i'm using and adsl usb modem with chip eagle III but sometimes "most of the times" it can't get syncro within 60 secs
[06:31] <_victor> and when it does i cna't connect to my isp
[06:31] <_victor> can't sorry
[06:31] <leafw> no clue, never setup adsl on a ubuntu
[06:31] <_victor> :(
[06:31] <_per_> hey again, i followed ubotu's advice with getting started with xgl/compiz... however, in the link(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto), it states that i should go to "System -> Preference -> Sessions"... but there's no such thing in kde! what should i do instead?
[06:33] <gesho> can anyone please help to get ps2 mouse working on my laptop?
[06:34] <_victor> anyone about my question of adsl usb eagle modems?
[06:34] <leafw> _victor: your question is very generic, you may also try #ubuntu
[06:35] <_victor> ok i'll give it a try thanks
[06:35] <gesho> leafw: may be I'm not hopoeless. here is whole description with mouse problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14598
[06:36] <_per_> how can i place something in my session file on kde?
[06:37] <gesho> _per_ what's your problem?
[06:38] <_per_> gesho: in the link(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto), it states that i should go to "System -> Preference -> Sessions"... but there's no such thing in kde! what should i do instead?
[06:39] <gesho> u want to open terminal?
[06:39] <_per_> sorry...?
[06:39] <gesho> what do you want to do?
[06:40] <_per_> place a piece of text in my "session file"
[06:40] <_per_> so i can get xgl and compiz running
[06:41] <_per_> i have followed the steps, but now i'm lost
[06:41] <gesho> no clue really. is anybody expreienced looking at this chat?
[06:41] <gesho> do u know where on disk that "session file" is?
[06:41] <_per_> no
[06:41] <gesho> :(
[06:42] <gesho> got problems too, can't make ps2 mouse to work on my laptop
[06:42] <gesho> only touchpad works
[06:42] <_per_> to quote the guide: "We need compiz to start with the new Xgl server, so place the following in your session file. This is located at "System -> Preference -> Sessions. Go to the far right tab, and create a new entry and type in the following data: compiz --replace gconf decoration wobbly fade minimize cube rotate zoom scale move resize place switcher water"
[06:43] <gesho> hang on, I have seen that,
[06:43] <gesho> its not there, I have seen that "Session preerence" elsewhere
[06:43] <_per_> the page is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto
[06:44] <_per_> near the end of the first tutorial
[06:45] <gesho> okay, try these: go to Settings>KDE components>Session manager
[06:45] <gesho> is that what you need?
[06:45] <leafw> is thee any way to remove all *dev packages with one command with apt-get , such as remove *-dev   ?
[06:45] <_per_> it would be if i could addentries to it!
[06:46] <_per_> *add entries
[06:46] <Bazzi> leafw * should work yes
[06:46] <leafw> ok thanks Bazzi
[06:46] <leafw> I don't need anymore all those headers
[06:47] <gesho> _per_: sorry :(, I gues that's the extent of my expertise...
[06:47] <_per_> ok, thanks anyway
[06:50] <leafw> what is the 'bicycle-repair' package ?
[06:50] <leafw> dounds like a joke
[06:50] <leafw> *sounds
[06:50] <leafw> !ubotu bicycle-repair
[06:50] <ubotu> leafw: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:50] <nixternal> lol
[06:51] <taw> hello :-)
[06:51] <taw> anybody had luck with skim in dapper ?
[06:52] <GullyFoyle> hey i'm running the dapper live.iso
[06:52] <GullyFoyle> kewl
[06:53] <MetaMorfoziS> is there anybody who succesfully solved the kdm_greeet problem in dapper?
[06:54] <GullyFoyle> doesn't look a whole lot different, changes must be "under the hood"
[06:54] <leafw> GullyFoyle : yes, it's all under the hood
[06:54] <leafw> basically networking stuff
[06:55] <leafw> for wireless laptops and for sharing music, etc.
[06:55] <GullyFoyle> and kde3.5.2
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> MetaMorfoziS,  what problem? ive not noticed any.
[06:55] <leafw> some bugs fixed, maybe
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> Dr_Willis: when you boot
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> after the kubuntu loading screen
[06:57] <MetaMorfoziS> how many seconds you get the kdm loading screen?
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> 2-3 or 50?
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> ok, not 50 but too much...
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> 20-40
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> just a few. as far as i can tell.
[06:58] <Dr_Willis> nvidia logo.. then kdm login.
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> so check your syslog
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> after boot
[06:58] <MetaMorfoziS> or not... at thistime
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> cat /var/log/syslog | grep kdm_greet
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> is it said anything?
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> this is a clean install from the dapper daily build live cd. :P  so i cant test that at the moment.
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> oh yes
[06:59] <MetaMorfoziS> but if you install it you has this:
[06:59] <GullyFoyle> ok back to breezy
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/735372
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> :)
[07:00] <MetaMorfoziS> i saw somebody who has this problem, and i saw a lot of forums, but solution is nowhere..
[07:01] <Dr_Willis>  Can't open default user face    - sounds  t o me like its looking for that user icon.. try changing to the 'dont show faces/icons' login method?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> nternal error: memory corruption detected - Sounds like the program have a bug. :P
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm
[07:02] <MetaMorfoziS> i tryit
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, you tip is worked
[07:04] <MetaMorfoziS> i have only May 24 19:03:41 sajtosteszta kdm_greet[5364] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> at this time
[07:05] <MetaMorfoziS> but the loading time is still too big
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> you tried running that memtest for a few hrs? :P
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> how many users do you have? if using that icon login option. it scans each home dir as well.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> for that login icon.
[07:16] <Solan> I can't get disable the as-you-type spellchecking in kopete, anyone know how to do it?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> i saw it as a check box the other day.. :P i dont know where however. :p
[07:17] <Solan> hehe... I'v looked trough the whole config, I think. But I haven't found it, and it's really annoying....
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> settings -> Behaivore/chat
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> you missed it :P
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> 'enable automatic spell checking'
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> that is what i just saw on my 'irc'  connection i made in kopete
[07:18] <Solan> I don't have that option........?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> Settings->Configure->Behiavor-Chat Tab
[07:19] <Solan> yup, but I don't have that option there... wtf?
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> im using dapper. :P
[07:19] <Solan> breezy
[07:20] <kOpter> Yello, does anyone know a good ubuntu alternative for Tag & Rename
[07:20] <kOpter> ?
[07:20] <Solan> I think I'm gonna reinstall... I'v been having other probs with it aswell... thx anyway m8:)
[07:20] <Solan> bye..
[07:20] <xwolf-> !grub
[07:20] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:23] <Solan> crap... didn't fix the prob:(
[07:25] <inknanand> hi all
[07:25] <inknanand> can i send rich text mails (HTML Mails) using KMail??
[07:27] <nixternal> yes inknanand
[07:27] <inknanand> can i send images in a message??
[07:28] <kOpter> Sure, why not?
[07:28] <nixternal> yup
[07:30] <inknanand> actually i want to include my official logo in my signature... how can i do tht??
[07:32] <inknanand> how can i add an image in my signature??
[07:32] <nixternal> configure kmail > identies > modify > picture
[07:38] <dracflamloc> hello folks. how wouldi go about getting synaptic on a default dapper install of kubuntu
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install synaptic
[07:38] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install syan
[07:38] <nixternal> owned
[07:38] <nixternal> ;D
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> with a sudo :P
[07:38] <dracflamloc> i tried that
[07:39] <dracflamloc> needs dependencies
[07:39] <nixternal> try it through adept?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas install ubuntu-desktop and gnome-desktop myself
[07:39] <leafw> question: updated to dapper, no kdm at boot!
[07:39] <leafw> how does one launch kdm manually ?
[07:39] <nixternal> statx
[07:39] <nixternal> startx
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> sudo aptitude synaptic
[07:39] <leafw> startx leads to my fluxbox
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> startx dont launch kdm
[07:40] <leafw> Dr_Willis
[07:40] <nixternal> but if it didn't load kdm automatically..i would believe your xorg.conf file is messed up
[07:40] <aseigo> leafw: /etc/init.d/kdm start
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> it starts whatever is in the .xinitrc :P
[07:40] <leafw> Dr_Willis so who
[07:40] <leafw> ok
[07:40] <leafw> I should have thought of that
[07:40] <leafw> the init !
[07:40] <aseigo> leafw: but yes, it's likely a problematic xorg.conf
[07:40] <aseigo> hm.. no
[07:40] <aseigo> because if startx starts fluxbox, then that's not it
[07:40] <nixternal> ok...
[07:40] <nixternal> sudo kdm
[07:40] <nixternal> that will start it...actually just do kdm
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> I dont see how xorg being messed would affect kdm at all. :)
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> a user normally does not start kdm.
[07:41] <nixternal> if you do startx then you can select kde/kdm through the session manager
[07:41] <leafw> kdm doesn't launch
[07:41] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: it can't start without X ;) so it's the jmost common reason for kdm not comin gup
[07:42] <leafw> hum, so then I'll just replace the flucbox by kde in the .xinitrc and fix issues from within kde
[07:42] <nixternal> lol Dr_Willis
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> use 'startkde' in the .xinitrc
[07:42] <leafw> the /etc/init.d/kdm start didn't launch it
[07:42] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: and then you lose shutdown / reboot / start new session features in kde
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm
[07:42] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: all that is done through xdm
[07:42] <aseigo> er, kdm
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  some would consider that a good thing. :P  then again im old-skool.
[07:43] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: lol
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> i just smack alt-ctrl-backspace!
[07:43] <chavo> yeah who wants to shutdown or logout anyway
[07:43] <leafw> can't find startkde
[07:43] <leafw>  ??
[07:43] <chavo> yup just hit the powerbutton
[07:43] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: ooh. your apps must love you =)
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  xchat and xterms. :P
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> and screen sessions
[07:44] <aseigo> leafw: you don't have /usr/bin/starkde?
[07:44] <nixternal> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:44] <nixternal> forgot that one lil thing
[07:44] <chavo> woops
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> i think apt needs more options and little programs!
[07:44] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: ah... do you use just a plain ol' WM then?
[07:44] <leafw> no input friver matching synaptics, so this is new iin dapper ?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  often. been messing with "matchbox" lately
[07:45] <leafw> this is kubuntu-ppc
[07:45] <chavo> wm? we don't need no stinkin' wm
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> wm=windowmaker :P
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> in his case I think.
[07:45] <aseigo> no, window manager
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> wm used to mean windowmaker :P
[07:45] <nixternal> i thought it still meant window maker
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> all ya kids and your fancy abbreivations.
[07:45] <chavo> actaully I'm running with compiz right now
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> nixternal,  :P thats the fun of linux.
[07:46] <nixternal> i guess....i used no xwindows at all for 10 years with linux...why cuz i thought they all stunk...
[07:46] <nixternal> i used xwindows with mandrake one time and about died it was so bad...that was about 96 i would say
[07:46] <leafw> nixternal : so what do yo uuse, screen and ttys only ?
[07:46] <chavo> I've been struggling with X since Redhat 5.0
[07:46] <nixternal> and i use e in suse one time
[07:46] <nixternal> you got it leafw
[07:47] <chavo> aseigo, that's a nice one
[07:47] <nixternal> now i am using x cuz kde ownz now
[07:47] <leafw> nixternal : I work with images all the time, can't go without X
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> one ANNOYING thing ive noticec with kde on a new install.. the panel clock defaults to 24 hr format.. so i fix it to 'normal' :P  and i got to restart that silly clock
[07:47] <aseigo> installs everything needed to build that package.. so `apt-get build-dep kdelibs` gets me a kde dev env =)
[07:47] <nixternal> see i am a server admin and security guy...never needed x cuz everythning ran term
[07:47] <leafw> nixternal : yeah, I run my freebsd servers like that
[07:47] <chavo> Dr_Willis, just do dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:47] <nixternal> i gave mepis a try and liked the look but mepis sucked...so i tried kubuntu...and well now the rest is history
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> chavo,  heh.. all righty! :P
[07:48] <leafw> great news: find -name startkde   return ZERO results!
[07:48] <nixternal> now i have 5 kde boxes running, and one xfce 4 box
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> i dident see much use in mepis
[07:48] <leafw> great update from breezy to dapper
[07:48] <nixternal> whereis startkde
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> it had some neat ideas/features...
[07:48] <nixternal> if it shows ....    startkde:
[07:48] <nixternal> well then it ain't there ;D
[07:48] <leafw> doesn't show
[07:48] <leafw> I tried that
[07:49] <nixternal> at the prompt...type in start then hit tab to see what options you have
[07:49] <nixternal> probably just startx
[07:49] <leafw> I'm running a sudo updatedb
[07:49] <leafw> there is startx and startfluxbox, not startkde
[07:50] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <nixternal> that will fix your problem
[07:50] <nixternal> kde isn't installed from the sound of it
[07:50] <leafw> but it was there already ...
[07:50] <leafw> the install will fix an improper dist-upgrade ?
[07:50] <nixternal> did you accidentally remove it?
[07:50] <chavo> leafw, looks like the upgrade ripped it out
[07:50] <nixternal> sometimes it will leafw...i have been 50/50 with that working
[07:50] <aseigo> NO KDE FOR YOU!
[07:50] <nixternal> haha
[07:50] <chavo> you must have removed kubuntu-desktop at some pint
[07:51] <leafw> I will switch to gnome if it wasn't for kmail and konqueror
[07:51] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    <-- that will fix your problem and make you happy
[07:51] <leafw> chavo: 30 minutes ago I was on kubuntu-desktop, I mean on the KDE
[07:51] <leafw> the dist-upgrade messed up something
[07:51] <nixternal> thats what it looks like
[07:51] <nixternal> you did a breezy to dapper sources.list mod?
[07:51] <chavo> aseigo, I have a question about kicker. There is code in there to remove the 1 pixel border when you use a background image but it's commented out. any reason for that?
[07:51] <leafw> nixternal: all I mean is the kubuntu-desktop is already installed, if it wasn't dis-upgraded or soemthing that's anotherissue
[07:52] <chavo> leafw, running kde doesn't preclude having kubuntu-desktop
[07:52] <leafw> nixternal : yes.
[07:52] <aseigo> chavo: i did one release with it like that and then i got a large number of complaints about it "breaking" the look for many wallpapers...
[07:52] <nixternal> there is your issue right there...you seem to be one of the unlucky ones....i did the same thing cuz someone said i could do it...well it didn't work as planned
[07:52] <nixternal> i did a kubuntu-desktop install and that fixed my issues
[07:53] <chavo> ok well I have the kicker on top and it looks wierd to me, i always just patch it up
[07:53] <nixternal> there were still some minor issues that eventually worked themselves ou with updates
[07:53] <leafw> something is really wrong, can't find my openoffice, etc
[07:53] <aseigo> chavo: so i tried those wallpapers and indeed it did look crappy. and because we don't have support for things like cosmetic pens in vector graphics because it's just a scaled image, adding a line to wallpapers often doesn't work out unless the wallpaper is the exact size of the panel
[07:53] <aseigo> chavo: so i just defaulted back to the historical behaviour. =/
[07:53] <chavo> true
[07:53] <leafw> ok
[07:54] <nixternal> editing the source.list to go from breezy to dapper isn't a good idea....
[07:54] <aseigo> leafw: looks like once kde is installed you're going to spend some time in adept ;)
[07:54] <leafw> but kubuntu-desktop is installed, will the files be overwritten ... who knows
[07:54] <aseigo> nixternal: hehe.. that's what i did and it worked like a charm. guess i'm just lucky =)
[07:54] <nixternal> ya
[07:54] <nixternal> it worked on my vmware machien....and didn't work on 2 others
[07:54] <chavo> well the thing is the border is all one color, why not give the top and left side a light color and the bottom & right sides a darker color
[07:55] <chavo> I did that at one point and it looks nice, the 3d effect
[07:55] <aseigo> chavo: i really dislike that style personally.. i'd rather see it have a gradient and/or some subtle hinting .. but i'm not working on kicker anymore
[07:55] <aseigo> chuso: kicker is, for better or worse, Finished
[07:56] <chavo> ok I understand you've moved on to kde4
[07:56] <chavo> I was just curious as I tried to get a patch in for dapper
[07:56] <MetaMorfoziS> kde4?
[07:56] <chavo> since it's going to be used for quite some time
[07:58] <chavo> MetaMorfoziS, yup KDE4 is gonna rock
[07:58] <chavo> not that it doesn't rock now of course :)
[07:59] <aseigo> wel, no, it doesn't
[07:59] <aseigo> right now it's pretty broken =
[07:59] <aseigo> =)
[07:59] <aseigo> nothing to be concerned about. you can't not break something when you're in the process of ripping it apart ... still have a few months to go before it's put back together in any form resembling non-broken
[08:00] <chavo> I meant that KDE 3.5 rocks now
[08:04] <leafw> the kdm is called 'start-stop-daemon'
[08:04] <leafw> apparently
[08:19] <leafw> FYI, nixternal : the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop downloaded all packages again, and replaced the exisitng ones with the exact copies (pretty much for nothing), and now KDE is up
[08:19] <leafw> and it takes forever (10 seconds) to switch from the X to a tty (here)
[08:19] <nixternal> i guess that is a good thing
[08:19] <nixternal> kinda
[08:20] <RadiantFire> thats normal
[08:20] <RadiantFire> both my computers take forever to switch tty's
[08:23] <squid0> hey
[08:23] <squid0> anyone have luck with amarok 1.4 on breezy 1.5?
[08:23] <squid0> i mean, 5.1?
[08:23] <squid0> *5.10 (doing well!)
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> squid0: You need a new version of taglib (as a minimum)
[08:31] <squid0> h3sp4wn: ok... i saw that on the announcement. what do  i do?
[08:31] <RadiantFire> squid0: compile it and install it
[08:31] <h3sp4wn> Either upgrade to dapper (probably easiest) or build it from source
[08:32] <squid0> i'd love to upgrade to dapper, but my dsl cap can't handle it...
[08:32] <squid0> i live in primitive south africa :o
[08:32] <leafw> worst upgrade ever, but after entering the System settings and pushing apply a few times all is good now :)
[08:32] <RadiantFire> squid0: then you need to install build-essential, find yourself a new version of taglib, and then compile/install
[08:33] <RadiantFire> then do the same for amarok
[08:33] <squid0> leafw: serious??
[08:33] <squid0> ok...
[08:33] <leafw> squid0 : ?
[08:34] <leafw> squid0 I havce just upgraded from breezy to dapper the debian way. Actually all is working, it just needed some refreshing actions (updatedb, apply some settings)
[08:34] <RadiantFire> so, as for my question, I'm having this wierd problem where opengl screensavers appear only on the top 1/3 of my screen
[08:34] <squid0> leafw: ah, ok. the debian way, ie. via apt-get dist-upgrade?
[08:34] <leafw> yes
[08:35] <squid0> ah
[08:35] <leafw> can't see the multiple desktops in the kicker
[08:35] <leafw> only glitch
[08:35] <RadiantFire> add the applet back again?
[08:35] <leafw> good enough I'lm used to shortcuts
[08:35] <squid0> ok...
[08:35] <RadiantFire> sigh, this is mildly frustrating
[08:36] <RadiantFire> some of my fn key modifiers work and some don't
[08:36] <Snake[Sleep] > Grrrrrrrrrrrr I hate torrents that stop at 98 or 99 percent
[08:36] <Snake[Sleep] > ugh
[08:37] <squid0> so, you need build-essential to build on (k)ubuntu?
[08:37] <RadiantFire> yes
[08:37] <Snake[Sleep] > squid0: yes
[08:37] <Snake[Sleep] > !build
[08:37] <ubotu> If you want to build software, you need the build-essential package to start with
[08:37] <squid0> ah...
[08:37] <RadiantFire> squid
[08:37] <squid0> yup
[08:37] <RadiantFire> install checkinstall
[08:37] <RadiantFire> also
[08:37] <RadiantFire> that way you can getmanage anything you install with apt-
[08:37] <Snake__> !checkinstall
[08:38] <ubotu> hmm... checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[08:38] <RadiantFire> apt-get
[08:38] <squid0> ah. ok
[08:38] <RadiantFire> instead of make install, run checkinstall -D make install
[08:38] <RadiantFire> and it will make and i nstall a .deb
[08:39] <hamburg> hi, need gcc, but if i type in console gcc ->command not found ??
[08:39] <RadiantFire> hamburg: install build-essential
[08:39] <hamburg> RadiantFire: sry but how ?
[08:39] <RadiantFire> sudo apt-get install build-essential in a terminal
[08:40] <hamburg> ok
[08:41] <squid0> ok... i've installed checkinstall and build-essential.
[08:41] <RadiantFire> squid0: now you need to find taglib sources
[08:42] <leafw> nixternal : how can I repair dpkg problems, such as 'hplip' pkg containing problems ?
[08:42] <RadiantFire> that would be where google comes into play
[08:42] <squid0> RadiantFire: ok
[08:42] <squid0> rigt
[08:50] <squid0> ok, should i download the .dsc or the orig.tar.gz or the diff.gz?
[08:50] <RadiantFire> you want orig.tar.gz
[08:51] <squid0> ok
[08:51] <RadiantFire> are you downloading these from dapper source repos?
[08:51] <squid0> yep
[08:51] <RadiantFire> sneaky...
[08:51] <squid0> hmm... why?
[08:51] <RadiantFire> just a comment
[08:51] <squid0> ok.... google pointed me there...
[08:52] <RadiantFire> no, its fine, i was just being silly
[08:54] <squid0> no worries
[08:56] <squid0> does 'make' generally generate tons of output?
[08:56] <ccc_> yes
[08:57] <Riddell> if it's an automake application yes
[08:57] <squid0> ok
[08:58] <squid0> ok, great, i seem to have installed taglib! should I go on to install amarok 1.4?
[08:58] <squid0> or is there maybe something else i'm missing ? (I'm on breezy here)
[08:59] <RadiantFire> go on to amarok then
[08:59] <squid0> ok, cool.
[08:59] <RadiantFire> actually
[08:59] <RadiantFire> squid0: first executre apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:00] <Flosoft> hey
[09:00] <RadiantFire> that should take care of any amarok build dependancies
[09:00] <Flosoft> my Gajim GPG isn't working
[09:00] <Flosoft> could someone help me with that?
[09:01] <squid0> RadiantFire: before adding the new amarok 1.4 dapper source to apt?
[09:02] <RadiantFire> ?
[09:02] <RadiantFire> oh
[09:02] <RadiantFire> squid0: i would recommend you compile amarok from source as well
[09:02] <squid0> RadiantFire: ah, ok.
[09:02] <squid0> thanks
[09:02] <RadiantFire> seeing as how the precompiled dapper amarok probably has newer runtime dependancies
[09:02] <squid0> so would that be independent of apt, then?
[09:02] <squid0> yeah
[09:02] <RadiantFire> you can install it with checkinstall also
[09:02] <RadiantFire> but yeah, independant of apt
[09:02] <squid0> ok.
[09:03] <RadiantFire> you probably also want to install ruby, since the new lyric fetcher requires that
[09:03] <squid0> do i have to preface a 'make install'l command with checkinstall to have checkinstall work for it?
[09:03] <RadiantFire> yes
[09:03] <squid0> oh sh**
[09:03] <robotgeek> what's wrong with the precompiled amarok again? (only for dapper)
[09:03] <squid0> not serious, i suppose
[09:04] <RadiantFire> squid0: its ok, no biggy, you've just clobbered a prexisting taglib install, but it will still work
[09:04] <RadiantFire> the only difference is apt thinks you still have the old version installed
[09:04] <squid0> RadiantFire: ah
[09:04] <squid0> is there a way i could reverse that?
[09:04] <squid0> is there like, a 'make uninstall'?
[09:04] <RadiantFire> yeys
[09:04] <squid0> ooh :)
[09:05] <RadiantFire> you can make uninstall, then do checkinstall -D make install
[09:05] <squid0> ah, great
[09:05] <squid0> thanks
[09:07] <khaije1> hi
[09:07] <khaije1> anyone know if i can combine key and password based authentication with openSSH?
[09:09] <khaije1> mkay, robotgeek
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: What are you trying to do ? why do you need both ?
[09:15] <khaije1> hi h3sp4wn, i want to make ssh on my machine accessbile from the internet so i wanted to beef up to protection a littl
[09:16] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: When you make a key you can set a passphrase on it key based authentication is almost impossible to brute force
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: If you disable all password based authention it would be most secure
[09:17] <nixternal> not impossible h3sp4wn...just that it would take about 10 years to break ;D
[09:17] <nixternal> unless of course you have supercomputers comin' out the wazoo
[09:17] <nixternal> ;D
[09:17] <squid0> RadiantFire: should I run make with checkinstall too, or just make install?
[09:17] <h3sp4wn> impossible in real terms
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> Change your keys every year if you want to be sure
[09:18] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: i realize that but is it possible to combine both the system password and the key? i'd rather have the two layers than add a static password to the mix
[09:18] <RadiantFire> squid0: only make install
[09:18] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: although what you're describing sounds pretty good....
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> If you want higher security use ace server and secure id token
[09:20] <squid0> RadiantFire: thanks
[09:20] <khaije1> i use that at work, it is an elegant solution
[09:21] <RadiantFire> is amarok working?
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> Its a pain when it drifts
[09:21] <squid0> RadiantFire: still installing taglib (installed to an undesirable location at first). also downloading amarok source
[09:22] <RadiantFire> o, oops
[09:22] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: still, that is to be expected as a result of real-world conditions
[09:22] <RadiantFire> yeah, generally its a good idea to ./configure --prefix=/usr/local when installing stuff from source
[09:22] <RadiantFire> my bad :(
[09:22] <phasegen> can anyone name a good program for converting mpeg to dvd playable format?
[09:22] <squid0> RadiantFire: ok, thanks. what does that do?
[09:23] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: basicly my question is... what is the relationship between these different auth methods? is it AND,OR, or XOR ?
[09:25] <RadiantFire> squid0: unix file location conventions, things installed as part of the system go into /usr while things that are installed custom go into /usr/local
[09:25] <RadiantFire> squid0: when I instlaled kmplayer I had to install it to /usr/local or else it would clobber kaffeine's mime type reigstry
[09:25] <RadiantFire> when I was using breezy
[09:26] <squid0> RadiantFire: ah,. ok, thanks
[09:27] <squid0> but i thought configure doesn't actually do any installation? don't you mean make --prefix=/usr/local ?
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: I have never come across a way to use password based and keybased authentication together - Maybe you could use opiekey over ssh
[09:28] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: is a password-embedded key prefered to the compounded-but-seperate password/key idea i had?
[09:29] <vraptor> configure --prefix=/foo would set the proper path in the makefile before compiling
[09:30] <vraptor> but you can pass the appropriate flag to make as well
[09:30] <RadiantFire> squid0: it sets it so that when you instll, thats where it goes
[09:30] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: so what your saying is they don't automaticaly play nice? hmm
[09:30] <squid0> ok
[09:31] <squid0> on configure for amarok, I get 'checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!' . what package would I need?
[09:31] <squid0> (i've come across this before trying to build other apps)
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: ssh2 is supposed to be mathematically sound i.e If you find out my public key then you can't find out my private key from that
[09:33] <RadiantFire> squid0: execute apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:33] <vraptor> squid0: can't say specifically for that package, but dependencies should be listed in the install instructions or readme
[09:34] <vraptor> squid0: you can then figure out where those requirements are and pass the appropriate paths, or install them as needed
[09:34] <khaije1> h3sp4wn: i know that, i'm not worried about the encryption at all... i'm more worried about the authentication/access control
[09:34] <squid0> vraptor: ok, thanks
[09:34] <vraptor> squid0: the advantage of apt is that it manages dependencies for you
[09:34] <squid0> vraptor: right
[09:35] <vraptor> squid0: I've yet to find a pkg manager that is 100%, though
[09:35] <vraptor> solaris, linux, *bsd, etc.
[09:35] <RadiantFire> squid0: i dunno, generally failures in the pkg manager are the result of badly constructed packages
[09:36] <RadiantFire> i can't stand rpm though, impossible to install things from rpms...
[09:36] <vraptor> no arguments from me on that
[09:37] <squid0> RadiantFire: right. but i'm not installing from a package: i'm trying to install from source...
[09:37] <vraptor> I hateses the RPMses
[09:37] <RadiantFire> i spent half jy time ocmpiling source rpms
[09:37] <RadiantFire> squid0: easy way to get all the amarok build dependencies is to run apt-get build-dep amarok
[09:37] <RadiantFire> that should install all of amarok's build dependencies to the right place
[09:38] <phasegen> can anyone name a good program for converting mpeg to dvd playable format?
[09:38] <RadiantFire> qdvdauthor
[09:38] <RadiantFire> kind of ugly though
[09:39] <phasegen> how so?
[09:39] <nico8481> howdy
[09:39] <RadiantFire> i dunno, it just looks really really wierd
[09:39] <RadiantFire> but it seems to work
[09:40] <phasegen> Thank you, I'll give it a try
[09:42] <squid0> RadiantFire: but, i don't have amarok in the apt sources file! i've just got the source downloaded...
[09:43] <RadiantFire> squid0: thats ok
[09:44] <RadiantFire> it will install build dependancies for the old amarok, which should be most of the dependancies for the new on
[09:44] <RadiantFire> and you've already taken care of taglib
[09:46] <squid0> RadiantFire: i don't have that source repository in my sources.list either
[09:46] <RadiantFire> the amarok source repository?
[09:47] <RadiantFire> the build deps for amarok aren't stored in the amarok source repository
[09:47] <squid0> hm....
[09:47] <RadiantFire> most of them should be in main
[09:47] <squid0> ok
[09:48] <squid0> i still get: "E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list" when I execute 'sudo apt-get build-dep amarok'
[09:48] <RadiantFire> mmm
[09:48] <RadiantFire> i don't know then
[09:49] <RadiantFire> try searching for xserver in adept and installing any -dev packages that come up
[09:49] <squid0> ah! in the README file, it lists dependencies ! :)
[09:49] <RadiantFire> mmm
[09:52] <khaije> h3sp4wn: heh, tripped over my cord, were you about to say anything?
[09:55] <Johncro13> hiroom.
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> khaije1: Can you not just firewall it so you can only connect via a host that is known to be secure (protected by secure id etc) I don't worry about the security of my home network really (never been hacked) ssh is exposed but only allows key based authentication - I looked at the mathematics of it but its insane
[10:01] <squid0> RadiantFire: hah. finally found it on google. i need xlibs-dev
[10:04] <khaije> h3sp4wn: i /can/ setup fw rules to exclude all but a trusted few ips, i just don't know what the ip's are atm, but i would definitely add them to the firewalling list...
[10:05] <vraptor> khaije: could you give a brief statement of what you are trying to do?  I came in on the convo late
[10:06] <khaije> h3sp4wn: in fact i was thinking about writing a script that would allow me to change the fw rules via text msgs from my phone, maybe even other admin tasks (that would be a neat project)
[10:07] <vraptor> khaije: there is a cgi out there that will bring up ssh tunnels through a firewall after you request a URL and authenticate to it
[10:08] <khaije> vraptor: sure! initially i was wondering if i could combine key and password based auth with openSSH, but it sounds like people are saying that doesn't work well. instead it was reccomended that i use key-only auth, but using a password-embedded key, for the extra protection
[10:08] <vraptor> khaije: you mean a key with a passphrase?  Yep, that is the way to go--use keychain and ssh-agent to get the key in memory
[10:09] <khaije> vraptor: ya the ability to dynamicly adjust various things would be nice (i was thinking more through email) but that wasn't my main question just now
[10:10] <vraptor> it's too bad no one has come up with a VPN that has one time use passphrases for consumer set ups
[10:10] <khaije> vraptor: is it true that different auth methods that openSSH provides are inconsistent or incompatible?
[10:10] <vraptor> what do you mean by different auth methods?
[10:11] <Shuriken> hello
[10:11] <vraptor> I know there are probs integrating OpenSSH with some versions of PAM (Solaris, for example)
[10:11] <khaije> vraptor: well, you know openSSH offers password auth, and key auth, and PAMauth, and probably others
[10:12] <Shuriken> what's the difference between aRts and aKode ? (is one is better than the other ?)
[10:12] <khaije> rather than using key with a special password embedded key, i was thinking about using both the password auth method and the key auth method in conjunction
[10:12] <daoze> hi
[10:13] <khaije> vraptor: it was reccomended that i avoid this, but i can't help but be curious
[10:13] <vraptor> khaije: password and key auth should "just work" if the keys conform to standards supported by the implementation of SSH you are trying to connect to
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> You can only use one or the other (As far as I know)
[10:14] <vraptor> khaije: most people consider pub/priv key to be more than sufficient
[10:14] <khaije> ya, i'm sure they work seperately, but i was wondering about using both together
[10:14] <vraptor> khaije: I know for certain that if you want both you will have to turn on PAM and implement it in the PAM stack
[10:15] <vraptor> khaije: it's not something you can config in sshd_config
[10:15] <khaije> vraptor: do you mean to say i'd need to use key auth in pam? scary stuff
[10:15] <Shuriken> h3sp4wn: ok, in fact both work well, so it doesn't matter. but juK only supports aRts and aKode, so i was wondering what should i choose
[10:15] <vraptor> khaije: I would recommend testing on a local box that you have console access to, it's very easy to lock yourself out if you bork the PAM stack (btdt)
[10:16] <khaije> hehe, ya thats what i'm thinking
[10:16] <vraptor> khaije: PAM modules are stackable
[10:17] <vraptor> khaije: I was trying to get Linux cracklib working with Solaris 9
[10:17] <khaije> i'm on my laptop, i'll try this on the desktop and let you know how it went in a few
[10:17] <khaije> vraptor: whats btdt?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> khaije: If you work how to do it I would be interested in knowing
[10:18] <vraptor> khaije: (long story, but it didn't work out because of issues with a backporting of the Solaris 10 pam_unix_lib.so to Solaris 9 that Sun did)
[10:18] <vraptor> khaije: been there done that (btdt)
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> Shruriken: what is juK ?
[10:18] <Shuriken> a music player
[10:19] <vraptor> khaije: I think unless you are supporting a large number of users and are trying to control access without single sign on (e.g. LDAP, Kerberos), fiddling with PAM is overkill
[10:20] <vraptor> kraije: or you have some special authentication stuff you are doing where you need to build your own PAM module
[10:20] <vraptor> khaije: I'm all about doing things in standard ways so that they are easier to support and scalable--important when you are having to support 100+ servers
[10:22] <h3sp4wn> Shuriken: And you can't use xine ? (xine is what I use for everything) don't like arts or esd or gstreamer
[10:23] <Shuriken> no, only aRts and aKode (so i have to download the lib aRts-mpeg or akode-mpeg for mp3 support)
[10:23] <khaije> vraptor: ya this is just for my peice of mind, but it means alot to me, y'know?
[10:24] <Shuriken> and yes, xine looks far better
[10:24] <vraptor> khaije:Yep, it's why I fight with my own corporate droid IT department everyday about me not using *doze
[10:26] <squid0> thanks, all, who helped me out with installing amarok. unfortunately it just isn't working, i need KDE headers, and i can't install them because they would conflict with other packages. :( anyway, it's time for bed here. have a good day/night
[10:27] <h3sp4wn> Shuriken: A would say use akode but only because I think arts is so poor (I think akode runs ontop of arts though) try akode and use arts as a last resort
[10:29] <Shuriken> thanks, anyway i am already using aKode so i will keep it
[10:40] <brandon_> is amarok 1.4 stable?
[10:40] <brandon_> the lyrics feature doesn't work
[10:40] <RadiantFire> brandon_: haven't had a crash yet
[10:41] <RadiantFire> brandon_: install ruby for lyrics
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> I am using it (the dev's consider it stable)
[10:42] <brandon_> can you give me an idea of which one? there are a million ruby packages here
[10:42] <Bazzi> the ruby not installed automagically will be fixed in 1.4.1 afaik
[10:43] <inc|freaky> join #kubuntu-de
[10:43] <inc|freaky> oops, sorry
[10:48] <__filip_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto i have follow this and it works perfekt in gnome, what should i do to get it work in KDE?
[10:50] <stevekl> Can someone link me to a complete-newbie guide to gaming in ubuntu?
[10:50] <Bazzi> __filip_: I dont think it works yet in kubuntu
[10:51] <RadiantFire> thats cool :)
[10:51] <Bazzi> stevekl: there are some guides in the dorums
[10:51] <Bazzi> forums*
[10:51] <__filip_> Bazzi: Are you sure?
[10:52] <Bazzi> if it works then it doesn't work flawlessly
[10:52] <Bazzi> but I doubt they ported it to kubuntu yet, the kde version of xgl is still highly unstable
[10:52] <__filip_> Okey does anyboy in here have xgl installed and it works in KDE?
[11:26] <__filip_> Bazzi: xgl works with KDE! But i dont know how to do.
[11:26] <Bazzi> heh
[11:27] <Bazzi> I wont touch Xgl until edgy
[11:27] <Bazzi> same with initng
[11:27] <klerfayt> Bazzi: edgy is?
[11:27] <Bazzi> dapper+1
[11:28] <klerfayt> Bazzi: it's like dapper after badger?
[11:28] <Bazzi> yes
[11:28] <klerfayt> Bazzi: does it have version number (e.g. 6.06)?
[11:29] <Bazzi> 6.10 or 6.12
[11:29] <Bazzi> whatever mr shuttleworth sees fit ;)
[11:36] <axiom> In the KDE file dialogs, didn't there used to be an option to sort by filetype?
[11:37] <axiom> I can sort by permission, owner, or group, which I find utterly useless
[11:37] <axiom> but there doesn't seem to be any option to change what is up there
[11:38] <ctothej> can someone help me uninstall the previous ATI fglrx drivers and install the new ones?
[11:41] <ctothej> nm, found the guide...
[11:43] <ninniuz> hello
[11:44] <ninniuz> I cannot use my ptp camera any more :(
[11:46] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Aaron!
[11:47] <ctothej> how do i start ssh server?
[11:47] <aseigo> DaSkreech: yo
[11:47] <DaSkreech> It just clicked a while ago!
[11:48] <ninniuz> I installed dapper today and digikam cannot detect my camera anymore...running dmesg I can see the kernel detects it...
[11:49] <ninniuz> while it worked under breezy as a ptp camera
[11:52] <StR> hi there?
[11:52] <StR> what is the new apt installer for kubuntu in dapper?   something like synaptic?
[11:53] <ninniuz> adept?
[11:53] <StR> ninniuz: adept is like synaptic but comes in kubuntu?
[11:53] <ninniuz> yes
[11:53] <StR> thanks ninniuz
[11:53] <axiom> Does anyone know what happened to the sort by filetype option in kde's file dialogs?
[11:54] <skipster23> Question-Can anyony suggest a good torrent client
[11:55] <ninniuz> ktorrent
[11:55] <skipster23> ok thanks
[11:55] <ninniuz> you're welcome
[11:55] <ninniuz> can anyone help me with my digital camera?
[11:56] <DaSkreech> niGHT
[11:57] <StR> where can I see a roadmap for the release of dapper?
[11:57] <Kyral> StR...why?
[11:57] <Kyral> The dev cycle is over in.....7 days
[11:58] <StR> Kyral: yes.. I want to see what is missing today so I can see if I can install the beta
[11:58] <Kyral> dunno then lol
[11:58] <Kyral> I'd just jump to dapper via the Dist-Upgrade path
[11:58] <StR> Kyral: i have a new computer and I need to know if I can install dapper or need to install breezy jost for one week
[11:59] <Kyral> StR, I'm gonna tell you what I tell everyone when I dont have a definitive yes or no
[11:59] <Kyral> "Try it" :P
[11:59] <StR> so, there is no roadmap?
[11:59] <ninniuz> what's happening to udev?
[11:59] <Kyral> There is
[11:59] <Kyral> I just don't know where it is :P
[12:00] <ninniuz> now my usb pen drive is not even auto mounted
[12:04] <ctothej> Will I be able to ssh onto my ubuntu if I started in recovery mode?
[12:04] <ctothej> icer: have an ip address and my ssh server is started on port 22
[12:05] <ctothej> oh nevermind, my ssh server didnt start
[12:05] <ctothej> how do i start it?
[12:07] <shanky> ctothej: /etc/init.d/sshd start?
[12:08] <ctothej> shanky: awesome thanks!
[12:11] <ctothej> how do i move all files in a directory to a subdirectory? i cant use: mv *.* subdir
[12:12] <h3sp4wn> mv * subdir
[12:13] <ctothej> it just brings up an error that the subdir cannot be moved into itself, but still completed the rest of the task...
[12:14] <EvilIdler> That's normal.
[12:14] <ctothej> ok. nice. thanks.
[12:15] <visikLivecd> hi
[12:15] <visikLivecd> I'm on dapper livecd
[12:15] <visikLivecd> I'm looking for wpa settings
[12:15] <visikLivecd> but I can't find
[12:16] <visikLivecd> where is it ?
[12:16] <visikLivecd> there is only static wep conf
[12:19] <visikLivecd> hello _
[12:19] <visikLivecd> ?
[12:22] <visikLivecd> hello ?
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> "/usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes is very easy to understand (If you know what wireless card you are using)"
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> Is the card detected ok already ?
[12:23] <visikLivecd> but there shouldn't be a panel to configure wpa under dapper ?
[12:24] <visikLivecd> or am I wrong ?
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> You need to setup /etc/network/interfaces as the above file stats
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> I don't know networkmanager was really buggy when I tried it
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> Its much more reliable doing it from /etc/network/interfaces (configures wpa_supplicant manually)
[12:25] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: is that syntax supported also in breezy _
[12:25] <visikLivecd> ?
[12:25] <h3sp4wn> I don't think so
[12:26] <visikLivecd> ok
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> That one file is the only place its documented (no wiki on that way or anything) but its alot easier
[12:26] <h3sp4wn> (IMO)
[12:26] <visikLivecd> where is networkmanager _
[12:26] <evert_> Hello all
[12:27] <h3sp4wn> You could try installing it I suppose but it wouldn't work without an active desktop connection
[12:27] <visikLivecd> now on breezy I've a pre-up script and post down that brings up and down wpa_supplicant when needed
[12:27] <visikLivecd> but definitly it sux
[12:27] <evert_> I've got a question : how can i acces the linux filesystem with windows xp ?
[12:28] <EvilIdler> PMounter can mount ext2 and more
[12:29] <Bilford> yoou can share th ffolder  in Samba
[12:29] <evert_> but is kubuntu not using reiserf ?
[12:29] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: active desktop connection as another connection like ethernet?
[12:29] <EvilIdler> By 'more' I mean 'reiser'
[12:29] <h3sp4wn> http://pastebin.com/736035 visikLivecd: have a look at mine
[12:29] <EvilIdler> The filesystem is up to you
[12:29] <EvilIdler> You choose when installing
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: If you are using wpa-psk all you need to change is the pre-shared key and the maybe the driver
[12:30] <h3sp4wn> I don't know anything about network manager and think its crap
[12:31] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: is IEEE8021X handled by interfaces _
[12:31] <visikLivecd> ?
[12:31] <evert_> When i wants to use samba , i can just install samba on my windows xp , and then copy files out of my /home map ?
[12:32] <Bilford> no, you dont install Samba on Windows
[12:32] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install samba
[12:32] <h3sp4wn> I don't know - What is that used for ?
[12:33] <evert_> BUt need to copy files from my reiserf file system to my ntfs hard disk ...
[12:33] <evert_> i'm working with windows at the moment
[12:33] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: is wep with radius and dynamic key
[12:33] <evert_> *i screwed up my xorg.conf file , and i just wanna take a backup of some files ..
[12:33] <Bilford> you install Samba  on Kubuntu
[12:33] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: h3sp4wn it's supported by wpasupplicant 'couse I use it under breezy
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: You can do it but you read more deeply than the simple examples in that file
[12:34] <Bilford> evert_, is it on a diff computer or just a diff hard drive
[12:34] <goldenear> evert_: did dou try a "dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg" ?
[12:34] <evert_> different hard drive
[12:34] <Bilford> oh, forget Samba then
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> "wpa-key-mgmt IEEE8021X" you will want you will just need to read documentation a bit more better than I have so far
[12:36] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: btw should be usefull a full working network manager, I'm stuck with ifdown ath0 ; ifup eth0 if I want to switch from wifi to ethernet
[12:37] <visikLivecd> thank you
[12:37] <evert_> how can i do it then ?
[12:37] <evert_> if i wants to do it out of windows xp
[12:37] <blank_> hey guys I have a problem, you know the update manager at the bottom right, I clicked exit on the icon once and since then it hasn't come back on, how can I start it? the updatenotifier thing
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> Network manager makes the wireless go down all the time by scanning to make the silly graph
[12:38] <Bilford> evert_,  is the Kubuntu HD mounted in Windows
[12:38] <evert_> nope
[12:38] <evert_> I really don't know how to mount a hard disk in windows :s
[12:39] <Bilford> I forget how.  Right click My Computer, select Properties I believe
[12:39] <Bilford> find your way to the Diskk tools
[12:39] <EvilIdler> You want the admin tools menu for WinXP
[12:40] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: :)
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: Unfortunately I am rediculously tired (had an exam today and was cramming most of the night) So if you haven't sorted it out by tommorow I will fully investigate how to do it (I am interested in wireless a bit - took me 8 months or so to get myself to a point where my network is stable and I am happy
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: Is it working ?
[12:40] <evert_> Bilford , i found my way to my hard disk , i see it in the list of hardware ?
[12:41] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: I'm at home now
[12:41] <Bilford> no
[12:41] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: the wireless connection is in the campus
[12:41] <evert_> what can i do now ?
[12:41] <Bilford> http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/howto/install_xp_disk_mgmt.html
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: I am going to sleep anyway no point in me trying to think at this moment cya
[12:42] <Bilford> use that page to get you to the Disk tools
[12:42] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: through interfaces it will probably work perfectly but would be nicer if I can set all via guis :) I love guis :)
[12:42] <visikLivecd> h3sp4wn: no problem
[12:42] <Bilford> oh, you right-click My Computer, and select MANAGE
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> visikLivecd: I hate gui's (well that one) because it makes the connection drop alot
[12:42] <Bilford> not Properties
[12:43] <dracflamloc_> ello. can someone help me out. my wifi just isnt working. it shows 4 networks available. but i cant connect to even the non-wep ones
[12:43] <dracflamloc_> and mine doesnt seem to work either, which uses 128bit wep
[12:43] <Bilford> did you set the keys
[12:43] <dracflamloc_> i set one
[12:44] <dracflamloc_> but like i said it wont even connect right to the open ones
[12:44] <dracflamloc_> =\
[12:44] <dracflamloc_> i'm using the bcm43xx module
[12:44] <Bilford> I dont know
[12:45] <Bilford> evert_, did you find Disk Management
[12:45] <evert_> Yes
[12:45] <evert_> i found it
[12:45] <Bilford> did you mount it
[12:45] <evert_> I can see my linux hard disk .. but it's not shown in 'my computer'
[12:45] <Bilford> did you mount it
[12:46] <evert_> I think it's mounted ?
[12:46] <evert_> if i see it in the list , it has to be mounted
[12:46] <Bilford> isnt there an option in  Disk Management to mount
[12:46] <evert_> not that i see
[12:46] <evert_> But my hard disk (with the reiserf partition is shown here)
[12:47] <evert_> the link you gave is for formatting the partition
[12:47] <Bilford> ....
[12:47] <Bilford> I just gave you the link so you could find Disk Management
[12:47] <Bilford> [22:42]  <Bilford> use that page to get you to the Disk tools
[12:47] <evert_> ok
[12:47] <evert_> i found that
[12:48] <evert_> sry I didn't read it well , my excuses
[12:48] <Bilford> theres something you do there
[12:48] <Bilford> just be careful you dont erase it lol
[12:48] <evert_> lol yes
[12:48] <EvilIdler> You can't read a ReiserFS partition in Windows without a special program/driver, like PMounter.
[12:48] <Bilford> doh
[12:49] <evert_> i can't find a download of PMOunter with google
[12:50] <Moomoo2> Woah. Not a bad following
[12:51] <EvilIdler> evert_: http://www.aptrio.com/Development/Specialized-Tools/paragon-alles-mounter-professional-version-12865.html
[12:51] <evert_> wow , not cheap
[12:51] <EvilIdler> You might be able to find a trial version on their homepage
[12:52] <EvilIdler> I'd like someone to take a look at their software for any infringements, really
[12:52] <evert_> But is there no program that works without a bootdisk etc ?
[12:52] <EvilIdler> Not in a handy fashion, no.
[12:53] <EvilIdler> You need to up your google-fu :)
[12:53] <evert_> Like i can mount my NTFS hard disk in linux ... just with adding some lines in the mount files
[12:55] <EvilIdler> Remember who makes Windows.
[12:55] <Bilford> a fine humanitarian
[12:56] <EvilIdler> A tax dodging git, more like it :)
[12:56] <Bilford> rich people hire people to dodge taxes for them
[12:56] <Bilford> they know all the loopholes
[12:57] <evert_> lol
[12:57] <evert_> so it's not possible
[12:57] <evert_> i like linux , but it's worthless because i can't install the nvidia drivers :(
[12:57] <EvilIdler> IT's possible. There is a simple tool to copy straight from a partition, but it's hard to use.
[12:57] <EvilIdler> You just need to have strong google-fu.
[12:58] <mrfishhat> i too am having some nvidia driver problems
[12:59] <mrfishhat> with me it seems as if the screen is smaller then the resoulution
[01:00] <jfarrell> hey all, I just did an apt-get install firefox
[01:00] <jfarrell> but it doesnt have the flashplayer
[01:00] <jfarrell> so i went out the macromedia and downloaded it, but its asking me for the path
[01:00] <jfarrell> what is the default install path
[01:00] <neoncode> Instead of just locking my entire sesion. is it possible to just lock one of my virtual desktops? So that I can use the system and the other desktops normaly but to view/use that other desktop I have to unlock it with my password?
[01:00] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: In your homedirectory
[01:01] <bimberi> !flash
[01:01] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:01] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: You should have ~/.firefox/plugins
[01:01] <jfarrell> EvilIdler, well its asking for the path to the browser
[01:01] <jfarrell> point in there
[01:02] <jfarrell> the installation path, rather
[01:02] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: Read the link above, then
[01:02] <mrfishhat> has anyone had any luck with dual monitors using twinview or zinerama?
[01:02] <mrfishhat> xinerama*
[01:02] <EvilIdler> I prefer to just use my $HOME.
[01:05] <icheyne> !tell jfarrell about easyubuntu
[01:06] <timas> howdy folks
[01:06] <jfarrell> EvilIdler, nothing doing, that package mentioned doesnt exist (flashplugin-nonfree)
[01:06] <jfarrell> nor does ~/.firefox
[01:06] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you know what is hidden file?
[01:07] <jfarrell> ahh but there is a ~/.mozilla
[01:07] <jfarrell> klerfayt, hidden files generally are files with a . in the front
[01:07] <jfarrell> they are visible with ls -la
[01:07] <jfarrell> ls can take a second argument for the path to list
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: yes. right path to manually copy those files would be   .mozilla/plugins
[01:08] <jfarrell> which, doesnt exist
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: 2 files that end with   .so
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you can create it
[01:08] <jfarrell> are created after the installer runs successfully
[01:08] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you don't have to use installer
[01:09] <EvilIdler> jfarrell: It's FAR easier to just create the directory and put the plugin there
[01:09] <klerfayt> jfarrell: extract the tar file. and copy 2 files that end with   .so  to your   .mozilla/plugins
[01:09] <jfarrell> EvilIdler, what is the directory
[01:09] <jfarrell> .mozilla/plugins?
[01:10] <klerfayt> jfarrell: yes
[01:10] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you got .mozilla in your home?
[01:10] <timas> hum, anyone here know anything about openoffice toolbars that disappear and appear at free will?
[01:10] <klerfayt> create in .mozilla folder   plugins   and copy 2 files there
[01:11] <jfarrell> the only file is a libflashplayer.so
[01:11] <klerfayt> jfarrell: should be 2
[01:11] <klerfayt> jfarrell: you got "readme" in tar?
[01:11] <jfarrell> that is the only .so file in ~/downloads/install_flash_player_linux
[01:11] <jfarrell> yes
[01:12] <EvilIdler> You only need that one .so
[01:12] <klerfayt> jfarrell: then read it; find the section manual installation
[01:12] <EvilIdler> There used to be a dummy plugin before
[01:12] <jfarrell> its the .xpt that your thinking of
[01:12] <klerfayt> jfarrell: I don't remember what files only that there was 2 of them
[01:13] <jfarrell> now what
[01:13] <jfarrell> just restart the browser
[01:14] <klerfayt> jfarrell: are you using konqueror?
[01:14] <jfarrell> firefox
[01:14] <klerfayt> jfarrell:then restart ff
[01:14] <jfarrell> alriht works
[01:14] <jfarrell> thanks guys
[01:21] <zim> hi all
[01:21] <zim> just a quickie
[01:21] <zim> where do i edit the system menu on the right of the K menu
[01:22] <icheyne> right click the system icon
[01:22] <icheyne> and click edit menu
[01:23] <zim> not an option
[01:23] <zim> do u have to be root
[01:25] <icheyne> works for me and I'm not root
[01:25] <zim> i have move... remove... and panel menu >
[01:25] <Bilford> is the panel locked
[01:25] <icheyne> can you right click anywhere on th emenu
[01:26] <zim> nope
[01:26] <zim> yes
[01:26] <Bilford> unlock it
[01:26] <zim> i can edit the panel
[01:26] <zim> size K menu etc
[01:27] <Bilford> whats the System Menu
[01:27] <Bilford> oh
[01:28] <Bilford> it's an applet
[01:29] <Bilford> I doubt it's easily configuurable
[01:29] <Bilford> cant you use the STar instead
[01:29] <Bilford> Bookmarks
[01:29] <zim> i can right click on menu items that are in the K menu but not on the system menu button just to the right of it
[01:30] <Bilford> what do you want to add
[01:30] <zim> i want to copy the home folder link onto the desktop
[01:30] <Bilford> right click the Desktop
[01:31] <Bilford> Create New
[01:31] <Bilford> Link to URL
[01:31] <Bilford> add    /home/YOURUSERNAME
[01:31] <Bilford> change icon, etc
[01:32] <Bilford> actually, it lets you browse for the folder
[01:35] <dracflamloc__> whats the package to allow me to play mp3s through amarok?
[01:35] <Bilford> type this in terminal
[01:36] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[01:37] <dracflamloc__> thanks a bunch
[01:37] <JohnCro13> hi room.
[01:37] <JohnCro13> back seeking TV tuner help
[01:39] <JohnCro13> can anyone help?
[01:39] <BlueParrot> what is the propper way to upgrade kubuntu to dapper? The wiki instructions only seem to apply to gnome as far as I can tell.
[01:39] <JohnCro13> easy, parrot.
[01:39] <JohnCro13> do you have synaptec or adept?
[01:40] <JohnCro13> (under syste,)
[01:40] <JohnCro13> system...
[01:40] <BlueParrot> yea, I have synaptec
[01:40] <BlueParrot> tho I usually use aptitude
[01:41] <JohnCro13> okay.  did you select all the dapper repositories?
[01:41] <BlueParrot> heh, I tried doing it the "change sources.list with s/breezy/dapper/ then dist-upgrade" kind of way, but it sort of broke
[01:42] <BlueParrot> X refused to start afterwards
[01:42] <JohnCro13> yeah, I wouldn't mess with the sources.list.
[01:42] <JohnCro13> check your repositories in Synaptec.
[01:43] <BlueParrot> it will all be set to the breezy default now as I did a fresh install after I broke it in the above mentioned way
[01:43] <JohnCro13> k.
[01:43] <BlueParrot> yea, it has a load of breezy repositories there
[01:43] <JohnCro13> any dapper?
[01:44] <BlueParrot> nope
[01:44] <Bilford> do a fresh install
[01:44] <Bilford> start clean
[01:44] <BlueParrot> yea, I figured that would be a good idea
[01:44] <JohnCro13> welll....
[01:44] <JohnCro13> personal suggestion -- go to easyubuntu.com
[01:44] <BlueParrot> I have /home on a separate partition so it should be ok
[01:45] <Bilford> do you know where to get the latest build
[01:45] <BlueParrot> can I safely wipe teh config files and then just tell the installer not to format the partition I want to use for /home ?
[01:45] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[01:45] <EvilIdler> Yes
[01:45] <JohnCro13> follow the instructions to get easy ubuntu and select the updated repository list.
[01:46] <BlueParrot> Bilford: I'm thinking I will wait until it is released and just download the iso
[01:46] <JohnCro13> oh well.
[01:47] <BlueParrot> xtacocorex: you can't be worse than me at bzflag, 90 minute game, I got one kill because a guy went afk : /
[01:48] <xtacocorex> BlueParrot: hehe, i'm not bad, but my connection being laggy
[01:49] <MasterEvilAce> Okay.. I've had more weird screwups with Kubuntu than with anything else. NOW, my ethernet card isn't working. i think it's not being detected or something
[01:50] <nobby> hi does anyone know howto get your bluetooth headset working
[01:51] <nobby> I've been trying for the last week but I just can't get it working
[01:52] <nobby> I;ve installed the btsco thing but can't get my headset to pair
[01:52] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: What type of card? Is it the only one in your computer?
[01:52] <JohnCro13> hi, evil
[01:52] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: Inspiron laptop ,yes only one
[01:52] <EvilIdler> Hullo
[01:53] <MasterEvilAce> I was messing with xorg trying to get TV-Out to work and i guess this morning i start it up and no internet
[01:53] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Do you know the chipset of the NIC? lspci might show if it's detected at all
[01:53] <MasterEvilAce> Geforce 2 GO
[01:53] <MasterEvilAce> er
[01:53] <MasterEvilAce> i'm confusing shit
[01:53] <MasterEvilAce> lol ethernet.. um
[01:53] <MasterEvilAce> I'm not sure what it is offhand
[01:53] <EvilIdler> I have learned to separate shit from everything else :)
[01:54] <MasterEvilAce> it was working last night.. I'm not sure what happened as I did not change anything even remotely related to networking
[01:54] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: If it's eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, you can try eth1
[01:54] <Bilford> maybe an update changed something
[01:54] <DaSkreech> EvilIdler: Language
[01:55] <EvilIdler> DaSkreech: MasterEvilAce started ;)
[01:55] <MasterEvilAce> My bad :P
[01:55] <DaSkreech> MasterEvilAce: Language
[01:55] <MasterEvilAce> on boot-up configuring network interfaces gets "ok" next to it.
[01:56] <NotWired> what does ifconfig say MasterEvilAce?
[01:56] <Bilford> maybe the card isnt plugged in all the wway
[01:56] <stevekl> When I 'test' openGL screensavers in KDE, the screensaver only takes up the top 1/3rd of the screen
[01:56] <stevekl> anyone have any idea why?
[01:56] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Run ifconfig and see if it lists anything more than lo
[01:56] <DaSkreech> stevekl: Do you have a GL Driver installed?
[01:56] <MasterEvilAce> Evilidler: nope
[01:57] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: check te interfaces file
[01:57] <stevekl> DaSkreech: I think so...how do I test wether I have one or not?
[01:57] <DaSkreech> stevekl: You would know :)
[01:57] <stevekl> glxinfo shows the expected output and glxgears works
[01:57] <DaSkreech>  They are a pain to install
[01:58] <DaSkreech> What video card?
[01:58] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: Okay, it shows my past configuration as "auto eth0" and it has my IP, gateway, netmask etc in there
[01:58] <DaSkreech> Disclaimer: I be of LImited knowledge == limited help
[01:58] <stevekl> This is a laptop, it's built-in intel graphics...let me check
[01:58] <BlueParrot> stevekl: ouch
[01:58] <BlueParrot> stevekl: intel graphics are "fun" to use on Linux
[01:58] <stevekl> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device
[01:59] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Behind a router?
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Ah
[01:59] <DaSkreech> Well that would be of limited OpenGL help then
[01:59] <MasterEvilAce> evilidler: yes, but it was working fine last night
[01:59] <DaSkreech> stevekl: Are you registered with Nickserv?
[01:59] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: Can it give you DHCP?
[01:59] <BlueParrot> stevekl: you will have a hard time getting any decent hardware acceleration going on that
[01:59] <NotWired> MasterEvilAce, if it's not listed by ifconfig then it's not being detected
[02:00] <DaSkreech> NotWired: Not true it could be turned off
[02:00] <DaSkreech> ifconfig <interface> down would make it not turn up
[02:00] <DaSkreech> ifconfig <interface> up would bring back goodness
[02:00] <stevekl> DaSkreech: no
[02:00] <stevekl> Well ok
[02:01] <DaSkreech> or ifdown <blah>  vs ifup <blah. of course
[02:01] <BlueParrot> hmm, modprobe -l shoudl list it if the driver is working propperly, no ?
[02:01] <stevekl> I don't *need* hardware acceleration, I was thinking I could get better-looking 2D on this laptop by installing the 'right' drivers
[02:01] <stevekl> So is it worth it?
[02:01] <NotWired> okay DaSkreech but i'm thinking he would have booted and not done ifconfig <interface> down :-)
[02:01] <stevekl> I mean
[02:01] <DaSkreech> :-)
[02:01] <stevekl> Will I get better 2D?
[02:01] <MasterEvilAce> I turned on dhcp and restarting.. i also wonder if I turned it off in BIOS.. but that was relating to PCMIA cards, Docking station (don't have) etc. so i turned those off to maybe save power / resources
[02:01] <DaSkreech> NotWired: Maybe he didn't
[02:01] <MasterEvilAce> I think though that it was working after I messed with the BIOS.. but it's all a haze
[02:01] <DaSkreech> stevekl: Good thing is Intel has Open source drivers (Me thinks) so you should find some half decent vs half dead support
[02:02] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: If the router gives you DHCP, try running 'dhclient'
[02:02] <DaSkreech> stevekl: try /join ##linux
[02:02] <DaSkreech> He could have Evil Config Files (c) for his networking
[02:03] <DaSkreech> They can be of some broader assistance
[02:03] <EvilIdler> If he's got a router in DHCP mode and a static config file, he does
[02:05] <MasterEvilAce> still not detected
[02:06] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: lsmod would show a driver someone might recognise
[02:07] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: If there's no network driver shown, there's a bigger problem
[02:08] <MasterEvilAce> I don't see it
[02:08] <MasterEvilAce> crap
[02:08] <MasterEvilAce> how does Ubuntu allow this to happen???
[02:10] <MasterEvilAce> gonna reset bios stuff
[02:10] <MasterEvilAce> i hope that works
[02:11] <DaSkreech> Does kubuntu ship with koffice?
[02:12] <Search4Lancer___> I keep getting "audio unavailable, the device is busy" in amaroK.... how do I fix (other than rebooting)?
[02:12] <Search4Lancer> DaSkreech: don't think so
[02:13] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[02:13] <DaSkreech> ok
[02:13] <Search4Lancer> not like it's tough to install it yourself though
[02:13] <DaSkreech> No I was just wondering if I should bother
[02:13] <DaSkreech> Does OO.o have templates?
[02:14] <DaSkreech> like resumes or businessl etters?
[02:15] <psyke83> hi, is there an applet I can add to the panel similar to "show desktop" in gnome or windows?
[02:16] <Search4Lancer> yes psyke83, just don't know where to get it.... looking....
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Is there spell check in Konversation?
[02:16] <MasterEvilAce> Nope:( Wasn't Bios stuff
[02:17] <MasterEvilAce> there's NOTHING in "Available network interfaces" under network settings
[02:17] <psyke83> Search4Lancer: I found it, thanks for looking anyway... it was in the "Add Applet" window, I missed it when I looked ;)
[02:31] <JohnCro13> I'm sad.
[02:31] <NotWired> JohnCro13, why is that?
[02:32] <JohnCro13> I can't get my tv tuner card working.
[02:32] <NotWired> ahhh
[02:34] <JohnCro13> hey.  Does anyone know where I can get help for that?
[02:35] <caiado> bttv?
[02:35] <JohnCro13> yeah.
[02:36] <caiado> wait
[02:36] <JohnCro13> waiting.
[02:41] <JohnCro13> no.  English only.
[02:44] <psyke83> does anyone know a way to make kopete show google talk nicks rather than email addresses as contacts?
[02:45] <joel_> Caiado, I can't have a private message.  password issue.
[02:47] <caiado> #!/bin/bash
[02:47] <caiado> rmmod bt878
[02:47] <caiado> rmmod bttv
[02:47] <caiado> modprobe bttv card=37 tuner=2 radio=1
[02:47] <caiado> exit 0
[02:47] <caiado> this script
[02:47] <JohnCro13> I'll try it!
[02:47] <Kadran> hi i used mandriva for a while and switched for kubuntu i think mandriva is faster but kubuntu is more stable does any one know how to make kubuntu faster?
[02:47] <JohnCro13> except my card is supposed to be a different number.
[02:47] <JohnCro13> never mind.
[02:48] <caiado> humm...
[02:49] <DaSkreech> Kadran: Use less ervices maybe?
[02:49] <DaSkreech> services
[02:50] <godlkwrth> i doubt mandriva is faster :P
[02:50] <Kadran> DaSkreech: ok i will try to close some unused services and try it i liked kubuntu very much because it is really more stable
[02:51] <DaSkreech> Kadran: Great! Don't upgrade to dapper+1 :-)
[02:51] <Kadran> DaSkreech: i am currently using Dapper 6.06?
[02:52] <DaSkreech> yes
[02:52] <Kadran> DaSkreech: is it slow?
[02:52] <DaSkreech> I would hope :-)
[02:52] <DaSkreech> No it's ... edgy...
[02:52] <Kadran> yeah it 's cool
[02:52] <Kadran> with every thing uptodate i love it
[02:53] <DaSkreech> Well Dapper is even further than up to date :-)
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Wait
[02:55] <DaSkreech> Edgy :-)
[02:55] <Ahmuck> i have a problem with adept.  it keeps telling me another copy is open and the database is locked.  there is however nothing opened.  when i do a ps -ax, no adept pid shows up.  this happened after a failed removal of cacti
[02:56] <DaSkreech> Ahmuck: did anything crash?
[02:56] <Ahmuck> yes, adept did
[02:57] <RadiantFire> Ahmuck: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:57] <Ahmuck> well, i crashed it because cacti crashed during the removal, or rather adept crashed while trying to remove cacti
[02:58] <Ahmuck> that fixed it
[02:58] <Ahmuck> thx
[02:58] <RadiantFire> dpkg puts a lock on the database until its done, so if you ever crash, it keeps you from installing with partially configured packages, if it ever crashes just run that
[03:12] <DaSkreech> )#^%$)!!!!!!!
[03:12] <DaSkreech> No language rules broken
[03:14] <DaSkreech> Koroaa is no longer in development
[03:15] <Snake__> DaSkreech: What!?
[03:16] <DaSkreech> GPL accusation :(
[03:16] <DaSkreech> Dumb.....
[03:16] <Snake__> Ugh
[03:16] <DaSkreech> http://koroaa.org/index.php?entry=entry060521-200059
[03:17] <Snake__> DaSkreech: im reading now
[03:17] <jub3i> can i get some help please, im getting this error when i go to use talk  " Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused." how do i go abouts fixing this
[03:18] <Snake__> DaSkreech: I would like to know how PCLinuxOS gets away with it.
[03:18] <DaSkreech> or how edgy will
[03:18] <DaSkreech> It's a stupid argument but ....
[03:19] <Riddell> Snake__: with what?
[03:20] <Snake__> Riddell: having MP3 codecs etc bundled on their CD...
[03:20] <Snake__> Riddell: but apparently koroaa cant have the binary nvidia/ati drivers
[03:20] <EvilIdler> The argument is over NVidia's driver, which NVidia have given permission to distribute in such ways
[03:20] <EvilIdler> GPL zealots believe they are derived from the kernel
[03:21] <EvilIdler> In that case, all my code is derived from PHP or GCC or Python.
[03:21] <coreymon77> hi guys
[03:21] <Riddell> you can get away with MP3 on your CDs if you don't ship thousands of physicl CDs and have no money
[03:21] <coreymon77> ive got a problem
[03:22] <coreymon77> a big one
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> True,  but *buntu may ship thousands of CDs.
[03:22] <Snake__> Riddell: PClinuxOS is pretty popular,its not suse or ubuntu, but it has its step of its world and I believe its download only
[03:22] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: OK, what is it?
[03:22] <Riddell> EvilIdler: it makes direct use of the internals of linux, it's very much derived
[03:22] <jub3i> can i get some help please, im getting this error when i go to use talk  " Error on read from talk daemon: Connection refused." how do i go abouts fixing this
[03:23] <neoncode> Is there any way to view an activeX controll using Linux?
[03:23] <EvilIdler> Riddell: Put it like that, there exists no non-derivative way of making a driver.
[03:23] <Snake__> neoncode: I think theres a plugin for mozilla, check their extensions
[03:23] <Riddell> EvilIdler: correct
[03:24] <Snake__> Riddell: So how does edgy plan to evade this?
[03:24] <EvilIdler> Riddell: So we're buggered. Can't use the drivers that actually work.
[03:24] <neoncode> Snake__: Evade what?
[03:24] <Riddell> Snake__: same way dapper does, some trickery with tmp filesystems
[03:24] <coreymon77> ive burnt a kubuntu 5.1 (hoary i think) install disk twice from two different iso images from two different mirrors (and yes i didnt just burn the actual image on the cd because i put the cd into my computer on windows and everything is there) and both times my computer couldnt boot from either of them
[03:24] <coreymon77> what do i do
[03:24] <coreymon77> its not the cds
[03:25] <coreymon77> its got something to do with my computer
[03:25] <coreymon77> and i dont know what to do
[03:25] <neoncode> Snake__: I checked their extentions, nothing...
[03:25] <coreymon77> kubuntu has worked fine before
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Riddell: What trickery?
[03:26] <Snake__> neoncode: sorry man :( I thought I Seen one before
[03:26] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Is your computer set up to boot from the CD-ROM before the hard disk?
[03:26] <coreymon77> yes
[03:26] <Snake__> Riddell: But arnt they planning to use XGL by default in edgy?? If so your going to need those drivers... perhaps shuttleworth can bribe ati/nvidia into opensourcing them? :D
[03:27] <sheldonc> coreymon77: you didnt dl isos for AMD64 or anything did you?
[03:27] <coreymon77> i have done this same procedure sucessfully with many different linuxs (including kubuntu) before this
[03:27] <coreymon77> no
[03:27] <coreymon77> im not meaning to be rude but since you guys dont know me, ill tell you this
[03:27] <EvilIdler> coreymon77: You have symptoms of a faulty drive
[03:28] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I don't know, I've never used them
[03:28] <coreymon77> i am not an idiot when it comes to computers, i am actually very good with windows and even better with linux, so i know the basic stuff that i have to do
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Snake__: I doubt
[03:28] <DaSkreech> repeast
[03:28] <DaSkreech> doubt that highly
[03:28] <coreymon77> besides, i have installed linux sucessfuly many times before] 
[03:28] <MasterEvilAce-La> test
[03:28] <Riddell> Snake__: yes, we have plans to get Mark to buy ati and nvidia, free the drivers, then sell the companies on again
[03:28] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Try it with a disk you know works.
[03:28] <DaSkreech> They will have an easy way to play with it
[03:29] <coreymon77> you know
[03:29] <Snake__> Riddell: Great! :P :)
[03:29] <Snake__> DaSkreech: I know, I was playin man
[03:29] <Riddell> don't quote me on that
[03:29] <coreymon77> my bro got some ubuntu cds that he odered a long time ago
[03:29] <neoncode> Riddell: your jokeing right? Though he could..... couldn't he?
[03:29] <Snake__> Lol
[03:29] <Snake__> neoncode: I doubt it
[03:29] <coreymon77> should i try with one of those?
[03:29] <coreymon77> ill try somehting
[03:29] <coreymon77> ill be back
[03:29] <Riddell> neoncode: I'm afraid I am joking
[03:30] <Snake__> Riddell: zomg you lied!!
[03:30] <Snake__> j/p :)
[03:30] <neoncode> Riddell: So is Xgl going to be default in edgy?
[03:30] <Riddell> oh I wouldn't say I lied...
[03:30] <MasterEvilAce-La> I got ethernet working.. i guess i disabled a service that i needed. doesn't make sense at all, but whatever.. can't argue
[03:30] <Riddell> neoncode: not unless we can find someone to port kwin to be able to use it
[03:31] <DaSkreech> neoncode: First of all the AIGLX?XGL war hasn't even started much less been sifted out
[03:31] <NotWired> MasterEvilAce, how did you figure it out?
[03:31] <DaSkreech> Second kwin!= compiz
[03:31] <neoncode> Meh, Oh how easy will it be to use Xgl on Dapper?
[03:31] <MasterEvilAce-La> NotWired: I guess i just checked over what i changed last night.. i'm not sure what specifically it was, but it's working now
[03:31] <DaSkreech> third All code is so playing in the Alpha pool that Edgy could well be renamed bloody
[03:32] <NotWired> glad to hear it MasterEvilAce-La
[03:32] <Snake__> neoncode: sketchy... I cant get it to work
[03:32] <MasterEvilAce-La> :)
[03:32] <DaSkreech> neoncode: hang out in #ubuntu-xgl for a day
[03:32] <eimajenthat> howdy peeps.  I'm trying to run ./configure, and I get the error that my X includes are not found.  Apparently, I need an xorg devel package, but I can't figure out which one.
[03:33] <Snake__> !xincludes
[03:33] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[03:33] <Snake__> eimajenthat: ^^
[03:33] <coreymon77> im back
[03:33] <DaSkreech> 80% of all requests are How the <place of damnation her> do I get it to work with KDE?
[03:33] <eimajenthat> oh, thx
[03:33] <coreymon77> wierd
[03:33] <DaSkreech> eimajenthat: Gret nick
[03:33] <DaSkreech> great
[03:33] <eimajenthat> thanks
[03:33] <MasterEvilAce-La> Is there a way to make the system tray use a constant number of rows? when there are two icons, the icons are stacked in two rows, until more icons appear, then it becomes a single row. i sorta like the double row
[03:33] <coreymon77> the suse disks that i used for my previous linux system worked
[03:34] <DaSkreech> Riddell: So I come on to say grats to the recipents of the Kubunt-member award and guess how many are on? :-D
[03:34] <NotWired> i can sometimes get 2x2 MasterEvilAce-La but after that it goes single row
[03:35] <neoncode> So when is dapper being launched?
[03:35] <Snake__> neoncode: june first
[03:35] <coreymon77> cheeseburger: so i dont know what is going wrong here
[03:35] <neoncode> Snake__: 1 Week?
[03:35] <Snake__> neoncode: I guess..
[03:36] <neoncode> Snake__: I carn't wait... i'm still on breezy...
[03:36] <Riddell> DaSkreech: pardon?
[03:36] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: so what could be the problem
[03:36] <coreymon77> ?
[03:36] <DaSkreech> imbrandon kwwii toma?
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: I dunno either. You said that you didn't burn the disc, what happens if you burn a new disk?
[03:37] <DaSkreech> The last kubuntu meeting
[03:37] <DaSkreech> I missed it :-(
[03:37] <Riddell> they're all european, they'll be sleeping soundly
[03:37] <Riddell> which I think I'll go and do a well
[03:37] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan i burnt the disk twice, from two different images from two different sources
[03:37] <DaSkreech> Yeah I thought it was funny though
[03:37] <coreymon77> i burnt 2 disks
[03:37] <coreymon77> neither worked
[03:37] <decious> I recently installed windows on /dev/hda while /dev/sda holds kubuntu installation. My bios does not allow me to boot straight to /dev/sda if /dev/hda is enabled, so I have GRUB installed on /dev/hda,
[03:38] <Snake__> Riddell: doesnt knoppix include lots of binary, closed source drivers as well??
[03:38] <decious> problem I have is I cannot boot my windows partition
[03:38] <neoncode> DaSkreech: Is java going to be in the repos this time?
[03:38] <DaSkreech> Nope
[03:38] <DaSkreech> But there were java debs by Seveas I think
[03:38] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan do you know what i could do
[03:38] <NotWired> DaSkreech, i installed sun-java5-* in my dapper
[03:38] <DaSkreech> OK Cool
[03:38] <decious> I have modified /boot/grub/menu.lst a variety of different way, no luck w/ any of them
[03:38] <DaSkreech> I'll just do that then
[03:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: I'm not sure what's wrong...I assume you checked the MD5 checksums for both ISOs?
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Trolltech is selling out!
[03:39] <NotWired> jdk, jre, bin, etc...
[03:39] <coreymon77> ???
[03:39] <DaSkreech> Literally :-)
[03:39] <Riddell> Snake__: I've no idea, not looked at in a couple of years and then my job was to remove everything from it
[03:39] <coreymon77> i got them from the official site
[03:39] <DaSkreech> trolltech is going public :-)
[03:39] <Snake__> Riddell: heh I see... :-/ it just kinda makes me mad that a great project like koroaa live has to be shut down because of the GPL...
[03:39] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan what do you mean by that
[03:40] <eimajenthat> Snake__: what'd they do?
[03:40] <neoncode> Why carn't we put things like Java and Flash in the repos anyway?
[03:40] <coreymon77> and how would i do that
[03:40] <DaSkreech> eimajenthat: Ship XGL working
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Windows or Linux right now?
[03:40] <Riddell> Snake__: it's important to respect people's copyright in the Free Software world
[03:40] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Flash is in there kind of
[03:40] <Snake__> eimajenthat: Since the live disk had the binary ati and nvidia drivers, they got a email from a kernal dev saying it violated the GPL
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Technically it's important in all worlds
[03:41] <Snake__> eimajenthat: aka legal action could follow if they dont shut it down
[03:41] <neoncode> Snake__: Eh? how was it?
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/File-Management/Ferruh-Mavituna.shtml (for Windows)
[03:41] <Snake__> neoncode: how was what?
[03:41] <eimajenthat> that's whack
[03:41] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan windows
[03:41] <Snake__> neoncode: they are still offering live 2, but live 3 will never be released
[03:41] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan i mean, windoze
[03:41] <DaSkreech> Which means that XGL in Edgy may get killed before it starts
[03:41] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: whatever...I still call it Windows :P
[03:42] <neoncode> Snake__: How was includeing closed-source drivers a violation of the Gpl?
[03:42] <Snake__> neoncode: go to their site and read
[03:42] <Snake__> neoncode: http://kororaa.org/index.php
[03:42] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Apparently any driver for hardware is linking to the Linux kernel which is under GPL so it must be GPL itself
[03:42] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan now what
[03:42] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan i installed it
[03:42] <DaSkreech> At least from what Riddell just said
[03:42] <eimajenthat> how does that even touch the GPL?  The GPL doesn't say you can't use closed sourse material, just that you can't use gpl material to make closed source material, right?
[03:43] <Riddell> eimajenthat: no
[03:43] <Riddell> eimajenthat: you can use GPL'd programmes to make proprietry software, e.g. using GCC to compile proprietry code
[03:43] <eimajenthat> but...
[03:43] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Use it to check the md5 checksum against the one for the ISOs you downloaded (not sure which mirrors you used, so I can't be sure which checksum it is)
[03:43] <Riddell> but you can't link to GPL code from proprietry code
[03:43] <neoncode> "free" software huh?
[03:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> If that doesn't work, try burning at a slowers speed.
[03:44] <coreymon77> ftp://ftp.cs.mun.ca/pub/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/5.10/
[03:44] <coreymon77> thats the mirror
[03:44] <coreymon77> however, i did download it through botorrent
[03:44] <DaSkreech> and all drivers might possibly legally be considered linking
[03:44] <jii> hello is there somewhere daily builds of upcoming _kubuntu_ dapper?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> no one has ever tested it so no one knows
[03:44] <neoncode> Isn't there a way to reverse-engniere(sp) decent drivers?
[03:44] <coreymon77> and btw
[03:45] <DaSkreech> and to make life safe they killed Koroaa
[03:45] <Snake__> jii: just get the latest flight, itll auto-update to the latest versions of everything
[03:45] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: how do i do this md5 sum checking thing
[03:45] <DaSkreech> well the other issue is that at least nVidia drivers are not written for linux
[03:45] <DaSkreech> so it's not intended to link against GPL code in anyway
[03:46] <Riddell> jii: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[03:46] <Riddell> jii: put results on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: I've never used that particular tool to use it...I'm not exactly sure. All the checksums are stored in ftp://ftp.cs.mun.ca/pub/mirror/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/5.10/MD5SUMS
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> !md5
[03:46] <ubotu> md5 is, like, totally, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto
[03:46] <CheeseBurgerMan> Aha! :D
[03:46] <DaSkreech> ubotu is smarter than you :)
[03:46] <ubotu> DaSkreech: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:46] <nixternal> 1300 more files til a kde4 release...so at least that is what i got in akregator tonight
[03:47] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Which site?
[03:47] <CheeseBurgerMan> DaSkreech: So? ;)
[03:47] <nixternal> planet kde
[03:47] <jii> ok thanks, i will give a try to Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) Flight 7
[03:47] <nixternal> it came across akregator
[03:47] <neoncode> Isn't it possible to some how use WINE(or a highly modifyed version of WINE) to use Windows Drivers with linux? Or something?
[03:47] <ng_> hi everyone. I want to ask where can I find a pppoe client?
[03:47] <RadiantFire> ng_ rpppoe
[03:48] <Riddell> neoncode: ndiswrapper
[03:48] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: what is a windwos md5 thing for windows that you HAVE used
[03:48] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Groot?
[03:48] <nixternal> Riddell: i am unable to break dapper now...believe me i have been trying here testing it hardcore...so i am thinkin' it is edgy time ;)
[03:48] <nixternal> ya DaSkreech
[03:48] <nixternal> i don't care what system i put dapper on here it is working flawlessly
[03:48] <Search4Lancer> "xine was unable to initialize any audio-drivers"  ????
[03:48] <Riddell> nixternal: excellent
[03:49] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: I haven't use any. :P
[03:49] <nixternal> i have been doing some brute testing and haven't come up with anything
[03:49] <ng_> RadiantFire: why is rpppoe not in default installation?
[03:49] <RadiantFire> no clue
[03:49] <Search4Lancer> little help here?
[03:49] <nixternal> i mean i can delete a file to break it..but i am running it crazy....right now..i have 8 desktops with something going on and it is running clean
[03:49] <robotgeek> Search4Lancer: lsof /dev/audio
[03:49] <RadiantFire> nixternal: what are you running?
[03:49] <nixternal> what ain't i running is the question
[03:50] <neoncode> Hey why are the Open Source Versions of ATi/nVidia Drivers so 'crappy' anyway?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> becuase no one knows the hardware
[03:50] <eimajenthat> !qt-mt
[03:50] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eimajenthat
[03:50] <DaSkreech> They have no specs about how the hardware works because they break so many patents
[03:50] <RadiantFire> nixternal: what was the 8 desktops running clean?
[03:50] <Search4Lancer> robotgeek: now amaroK says "error: no engine loaded. cannot start playback"
[03:50] <nixternal> im folding on one desktop...irc on another...kmail on one...akregator on one....superkaramba and about 10 widgets on another..kismet ;) on one...ethereal on one
[03:50] <DaSkreech> So no one can build good solid drivers
[03:51] <DaSkreech> Or even a good framework to build drivers
[03:51] <nixternal> and then one for browsing
[03:51] <eimajenthat> !Qt3.2
[03:51] <ubotu> eimajenthat: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:51] <eimajenthat> !Qt 3.2
[03:51] <RadiantFire> nixternal: you have 2 many desktops
[03:51] <ubotu> eimajenthat: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:51] <nixternal> lol RadiantFire
[03:51] <robotgeek> Search4Lancer: what does "lsof /dev/audio" in a terminal say
[03:51] <robotgeek> eimajenthat: what are you looking for?
[03:51] <nixternal> i have been testing dapper...
[03:51] <Search4Lancer> robotgeek: absolutely nothing
[03:51] <RadiantFire> oh
[03:51] <nixternal> so far the only system i have had with this much success...and it isn't even final yet
[03:52] <RadiantFire> I have been using dapper exclusively since beta 2
[03:52] <RadiantFire> the only thing I had a problem with was a mirror sync so was unable to update one of the kernel
[03:52] <RadiantFire> but that was fixed ages ago
[03:52] <robotgeek> Search4Lancer: okay, good. close amarok and try again?
[03:52] <nixternal> i jumped over the past month and a half..i was trying out mepis which just loves ndiswrapper for prismII card...at least dapper hooked me up with orinoco drivers...my kismet compile works out of the box pretty much
[03:52] <neoncode> How meany Kernel Devs are there anyway?
[03:53] <EvilIdler> Hundreds
[03:53] <Search4Lancer> robotgeek: still nothing. And for that matter, I have no /dev/audio folder....
[03:53] <eimajenthat> !kerneldev
[03:53] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eimajenthat
[03:53] <nixternal> alright...enough about that...i can keep goin' on...it is help time
[03:53] <robotgeek> Search4Lancer: weird
[03:54] <Search4Lancer> somebody remind me.... how is it again that you can get raw data from a device, such as a mouse, through the terminal? I knew, and then I forgot.
[03:54] <Riddell> night all
[03:54] <nixternal> nite Riddell
[03:54] <RadiantFire> Search4Lancer: use cat
[03:54] <neoncode> Oh If I get one of those AMD Atholon 64 X2 chips, will I be able to use Xen with Full Virtulisation? When Xen gets a little more mature I mean?
[03:55] <nixternal> with ease more than likely
[03:55] <eimajenthat> what's this mean? ""
[03:55] <eimajenthat> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[03:55] <eimajenthat> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[03:55] <eimajenthat> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[03:55] <nixternal> freeby...but i gotta buy everything ;(
[03:55] <neoncode> nixternal: Are you talking to me?
[03:55] <Riddell> eimajenthat: install kdelibs-dev and use --prefix=/usr
[03:55] <nixternal> lol...ya neoncode
[03:56] <eimajenthat> like ./configure --prefix=/usr?
[03:56] <robotgeek> eimajenthat: yup
[03:57] <neoncode> nixternal: Wait, does Xen work with hardware virtulisation on the atholon X2's?
[03:57] <nixternal> why wouldn't it?
[03:57] <nixternal> i haven't seen anything saying that it won't...and most people have said they can't wait for the x2's for it
[03:57] <neoncode> nixternal: I thought the X2's were allready launched....
[03:58] <nixternal> they launched yesterday
[03:58] <neoncode> Yesterday? Wow.... I thought that they had been out for months...
[03:58] <nixternal> nope
[03:59] <neoncode> wow, oh do they use the AM2 socket?
[03:59] <nixternal> ya
[03:59] <nixternal> newegg has the most am2 socket boards available too right now
[03:59] <nixternal> with asus leading the pack
[04:00] <nixternal> see...xen would be usefull to me...but all of my systems are right here locally
[04:00] <nixternal> although...i will more then likely utilize it for remote clients in the field
[04:00] <neoncode> sweet. My and a friend of mine are going to build like 800 computers at the end of the year and we have been drooling over the X2 chips for the past month or so...
[04:01] <nixternal> there is a price list floating around...there are 3 versions...all based on power draw...low, medium, and high
[04:01] <eimajenthat> aww, not another socket change
[04:02] <eimajenthat> what was wrong with the last one?  The Socket 939 or whatever
[04:02] <nixternal> nothing
[04:02] <nixternal> am2 is ddr2
[04:02] <nixternal> that is the main change truthfully
[04:02] <neoncode> Wait, hold on. were talking about this chip right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64_X2
[04:02] <nixternal> l3 cache
[04:02] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: alright, i checked the md5 sum thing for the iso and it matches the one on the source site
[04:02] <neoncode> It says on there that it was launched in april...
[04:02] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: now what
[04:02] <nixternal> little things...and the overall improvements are only like 1% increase over fx cpu
[04:03] <eimajenthat> why can't they put ddr2 on a 939 board?
[04:03] <nixternal> no..they were released at midnight yesterday..the 23rd
[04:03] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: I'm really not sure...you could try burning it at a lower speed.
[04:03] <nixternal> i was over at etg #virtual-hideout when they did the release
[04:03] <neoncode> nixternal: How much are they?
[04:03] <coreymon77> what would that do
[04:03] <nixternal> they range from $150 up to $1200 or something close to that
[04:04] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: what would burning it at a slower speed do to?
[04:04] <neoncode> nixternal: Sweet. I have a budget of arround 800-1000 GBP for my next comptuer... I want an X2 because I want to play with 64 bit linux and hardware vitulisation.
[04:05] <nixternal> im sure you can do it easily
[04:05] <neoncode> sweet....#
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Less likely that the data gets corrupted during the burning.
[04:05] <nixternal> hell...i hvae been buying those stupid linspire machines for $130...they ain't much...but great for linux
[04:05] <neoncode> When can we expect the first info on hardware virtulisation with the X2 chips then?
[04:05] <godlkwrth> neoncode: i think qemu with kqemu is more interesting than xen
[04:05] <godlkwrth> xen only supports 3 OS's
[04:06] <nixternal> im sure it is out somewhere already
[04:06] <RadiantFire> nixternal: buying them for what?
[04:06] <nixternal> xen supports more than 3 os's
[04:06] <neoncode> godlkwrth: What is qemu?
[04:06] <godlkwrth> emulator
[04:06] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: should i do it a 1X -150 kbps
[04:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sure. That's what I do. ;)
[04:06] <nixternal> for test machines...and im working on creating a cluster
[04:07] <godlkwrth> FreeBSD, Linux, NetBSD, plan9, 4 OS's
[04:07] <nixternal> a kubuntu cluster
[04:07] <coreymon77> that was to me right
[04:07] <nixternal> sun solaris
[04:07] <nixternal> mac osx
[04:07] <DaSkreech> neoncode: You are both right
[04:07] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: and if that doesn work, well then you dont know what to do right?
[04:07] <nixternal> theere is a video of a guy using xen somewhere...we watched it the other night...he was a sun box using it
[04:07] <DaSkreech> With hardware virtualisation wouldn't it support Windows as well?
[04:07] <neoncode> DaSkreech: That's what I thought...
[04:08] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: should i put on buffer protection and finalize the cd?
[04:08] <godlkwrth> qemu with kqemu gives you full virtualization
[04:08] <DaSkreech> Just not as Dom0
[04:08] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: yeah.
[04:08] <coreymon77> allright'
[04:09] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: alright, i put on every corruption protection option my burning software has, lets try this again
[04:09] <CheeseBurgerMan> lol, OK
[04:09] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: wish me luck :P
[04:09] <nixternal> A: Currently Xen supports Linux 2.4, 2.6 and NetBSD 2.0. XenSource demonstrated Windows XP running on Xen at the Intel Developer Forum (IDF) in August 2005, and will deliver a commercial support offering for this in early 2006.
[04:10] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Good luck. ;)
[04:10] <nixternal> that is from the xensource.com site....and the video floating around shows the dude with a solaris box runnin' a bunch of stuff
[04:10] <RadiantFire> i thought the guest operating system had to be modified to run under xen, how did they get ms to agree?
[04:10] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: this may take a while...
[04:10] <staale> hi everyone, I have a screenshot, and its my licence that shows ive payd for a dataparty aka lan im going to tomorrow, or today or whatever. My printer driver wont be installed, when i trie to install the printer drivers through kdeprint, I get the following message:
[04:10] <staale> Unable to load the requested driver:
[04:10] <staale> Unable to create the Foomatic driver [HP-PhotoSmart_7350,gutenprint-ijs.5.0] . Either that driver does not exist, or you don't have the required permissions to perform that operation.
[04:11] <neoncode> will dapper support Xen/eqmu(or whatever) anyway?
[04:11] <godlkwrth> I think they use special hardware to achieve virtualization. i.e. chips that aren't yet available
[04:11] <nixternal> is there another selection for that driver???   like a hpijs driver
[04:11] <nixternal> or hplip driver?
[04:11] <DaSkreech> neoncode: yup
[04:11] <godlkwrth> to virtualize windows
[04:11] <neoncode> DaSkreech: By defualt?
[04:11] <coreymon77> staale: try taking the drivers directly off of your printers install disk that came with it
[04:11] <nixternal> it won't be installed in dapper
[04:11] <DaSkreech> neoncode: I don't think you quite get Edgy :-)
[04:11] <nixternal> bu as long as it is a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel you are good to go with xen
[04:11] <eimajenthat> !edgy
[04:11] <ubotu> Edgy Eft is the next codename for Ubuntu dapper+1. See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000064.html
[04:11] <neoncode> DaSkreech: No I don't...
[04:12] <DaSkreech> It's the crazy non supported version of Dapper
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Dapper is polished and streamlined
[04:12] <eimajenthat> !eft
[04:12] <ubotu> I heard eft is a newt in its terrestrial stage of development - the release after Dapper will be called Edgy Eft.  For information and pictures of efts/newts, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Edgy is the exact opposite
[04:12] <staale> coreymon77: i did install this printer on another pc, with kububuntu and kdeprint, it went out okey. Why not this time?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> So anything goes as long as it doesn't go against Ubuntu's code
[04:12] <neoncode> DaSkreech: I know, it's the beta version.
[04:12] <staale> what package do i have to remove / install ?
[04:12] <godlkwrth> qemu has 0 learning curve. xen on the other hand...
[04:12] <staale> May i reinstall kdeprint
[04:12] <DaSkreech> So Everything is game to be in there by default and when it starts it probably all will be
[04:13] <staale> and foomatic-db?
[04:13] <eimajenthat> so it's sort of like Sid, but Ubuntu style?
[04:13] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:13] <DaSkreech> With out the crashing
[04:14] <coreymon77> staale: i dunno, once again, take the drivers directly from the disk
[04:14] <staale> i dont have the disk that followed
[04:14] <DaSkreech> neoncode: In Short We don't know but we sure are going to do our utmost best to make all questions you ask be yes :)
[04:14] <coreymon77> staale: download the driver from hps website
[04:14] <nixternal> select the 7350 hpijs driver when you set it up
[04:15] <staale> ok
[04:15] <Search4Lancer> bummer.... cat doesn't work to see the raw data from my GPS unit....
[04:15] <nixternal> im installing it on my lappy now to see if i get an error or if it will go through
[04:15] <eimajenthat> !kommander
[04:15] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eimajenthat
[04:15] <neoncode> DaSkreech: Sweet.... I gotta get involved in edgy's development realy...
[04:15] <staale> nixternal: may the reason for the error accours be that i dont have the rigts?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Yeah!!
[04:16] <nixternal> can you sude?
[04:16] <nixternal> sudo
[04:16] <staale> yes
[04:16] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: had a premonition now? :-)
[04:16] <staale> i got it working thanks to nixternal
[04:16] <nixternal> you have rights
[04:16] <neoncode> DaSkreech: I have no dev experiance. How can I help?
[04:16] <nixternal> it works staale?
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> !help
[04:16] <staale> he said me to use the hpijs
[04:16] <staale> not the regular
[04:16] <nixternal> damn..i haven't even gotten the driver screen up yet
[04:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> !helping
[04:16] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, CheeseBurgerMan
[04:16] <staale> that worked :D
[04:16] <nixternal> ya...gotta use hpijs or you get that goofy error
[04:17] <staale> thanks nixternal!
[04:17] <nixternal> i have a similar printer
[04:17] <nixternal> np staale
[04:17] <DaSkreech> neoncode: Document, test, confirm bugs, help out in forums/channels/wiki
[04:17] <staale> nixternal: you saved my night!
[04:17] <DaSkreech> basically be more familiar with the system
[04:17] <nixternal> lol....good to know man...now print out your lan party slip and have fun
[04:17] <staale> nixternal: i will. bye
[04:17] <nixternal> pwn someone for kubuntu
[04:17] <nixternal> lol
[04:17] <DShepherd> neoncode: you can check out #ubuntu-bugs and help out with some bugs there
[04:17] <neoncode> lol
[04:17] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Umm no
[04:18] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: :-P
[04:18] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: That was .. not really a surprise but unexpected :-)
[04:20] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: alright, it burnt
[04:20] <neoncode> Riddell: So, what do you have left to do in the 7 days before dapper's launch?
[04:20] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: he goes the moment of truth
[04:20] <nixternal> all hell just broke loose here in chicago
[04:20] <nixternal> my lord the storm blew in quick
[04:20] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: wish me quadruple luck! ;):P
[04:20] <nixternal> i looked outside to see the rain fallin' and lightning hit close...made me pee myself a lil bit
[04:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Quintuple luck. :P
[04:21] <DShepherd> nixternal: hehehehe
[04:22] <nixternal> im not laughin' at that one
[04:22] <nixternal> hehe
[04:22] <macd> well, you know if you have to put a blanket over your head and use the PC, just make sure you have ventilation.
[04:22] <nixternal> http://www.weather.com/weather/map/USIL1313?name=dopplerradar100mile_large_animated&day=1
[04:23] <nixternal> it's a comin'
[04:23] <DaSkreech> How do I set up /weather in konversation?
[04:23] <nixternal> you gotta have kweather running
[04:23] <nixternal> Current weather for Chicago / West Chicago, Dupage Airport : Few clouds at 6000 feet, Temperature: 70F, Pressure: 29.68" Hg, Wind: 16 MPH S
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Where do I find that?
[04:24] <DaSkreech> katapult didn't find it :-(
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> 'sudo apt-get install kweather' ;)
[04:24] <CheeseBurgerMan> and then run 'kweather' :P
[04:24] <MasterEvilAce-La> where to get kicker panel applets?
[04:25] <macd> does kweather run in the task tray area? I assume its no widget like a karamaba sort of thing
[04:25] <nixternal> what kind of applets?
[04:25] <nixternal> kde-look.org has a few
[04:25] <nixternal> it runs in the kicker correct
[04:25] <macd> Im a mac person and widgets = pwnage :P
[04:25] <nixternal> that is why i like it...karamba takes up valuable desktop space
[04:25] <macd> thats what multiple desktops are for
[04:26] <nixternal> i have 8 desktops
[04:26] <nixternal> i dont' need another for karamba
[04:26] <nixternal> ;D
[04:26] <macd> but I think alot of people find themselves talking to a empty desktop
[04:26] <macd> :P
[04:26] <nixternal> hahahahha
[04:26] <nixternal> i hear you
[04:27] <neoncode> nixternal: I have 8 desktops too... I think I might change it to 10 actualy...
[04:27] <nixternal> im prolly gonna go up...cuz i am messing around with python a little bit...plus learnin' php a little more
[04:28] <Search4Lancer> ack..... how do I change themes? been so long, don't remember
[04:28] <nixternal> kmenu > system settings > appearance
[04:29] <Bilford> or  alt+F2  kcontrol
[04:29] <Search4Lancer> thanks
[04:29] <DaSkreech> nixternal: So heres my issue
[04:29] <DaSkreech> how do you jump to Desktop 18?
[04:29] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:30] <nixternal> can you even go that high?
[04:30] <Bilford> my  kmenu > system settings > appearance  has no Themes
[04:30] <eimajenthat> !kommander
[04:30] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eimajenthat
[04:30] <Bilford> no optin for Themes
[04:30] <nixternal> ya...haha 20 of um
[04:30] <nixternal> you need one hellified kicker to hold em all
[04:30] <EvilIdler> Or tiny icons
[04:30] <nixternal> lol
[04:31] <DaSkreech> I think you can go to like 36
[04:31] <neoncode> Ooooo.... multi-tasky
[04:31] <EvilIdler> They're virtual, so memory is the limit
[04:31] <Bilford> I only use 1 desktop.  what are other desktops used for?
[04:31] <EvilIdler> less clutter
[04:31] <nixternal> i wish each app wouldn't be displayed in the task panel...cuz i can select them on the desktop they are on
[04:32] <EvilIdler> All browsing on one screen, development on another, a screenful of spammy IM windows on a third, for example
[04:32] <DaSkreech> I have akregator in another desktop right now
[04:32] <Bilford> ph
[04:32] <Bilford> oh
[04:32] <nixternal> i have 6 main desktops....email, rss, irc, konsole x2, office, internet...then i use 2 others for whatever im actively working on
[04:32] <nixternal> would be nice if you could split desktops too
[04:33] <EvilIdler> Like, draw a line in the middle and have them split to virtual desktops or other monitors?
[04:33] <Bilford> You need one desktop just to manage all your other desktops
[04:33] <neoncode> Bilford: Lol
[04:33] <nixternal> ya EvilIdler
[04:33] <nixternal> exactly
[04:33] <eimajenthat> anyone know how to run KMDR scripts?
[04:34] <eimajenthat> Kommander scripts?
[04:34] <EvilIdler> That would be a cool addition to the virtual screen manager in KDE
[04:34] <nixternal> sorry
[04:34] <macd> Ive got one of those nvidia quadro cards on my workstation at the office, running 4 heads, 4 seperate X sesions
[04:34] <neoncode> eimajenthat: I don't even know what a kommander script is...
[04:34] <macd> Its prety slick
[04:34] <nixternal> EvilIdler: i will back you up on that one...get it setup as a proposal on the launchpad
[04:34] <macd> now getting glx working was another story..
[04:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> eimajenthat: Hold on...lemme download one. ;)
[04:34] <nixternal> ;D
[04:35] <eimajenthat> from what I gather, Kommander is related to QT Deisgner, tool for making small QT apps
[04:36] <eimajenthat> kmdr-executor <filename>, apparently
[04:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe...I just got kommander installed :P
[04:37] <EvilIdler> I think I'll look into expanding the functionality of the background picture handler before I do anything *useful*
[04:37] <Bilford> is there any way to make money working on Linux
[04:37] <EvilIdler> Plenty
[04:37] <nixternal> oh ya Bilford...it pays the bills for me ;)
[04:37] <Bilford> how, when everything is free
[04:38] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: BADDAM-CHING!!!!!!
[04:38] <eimajenthat> be Redhat, they seem to make some good bank
[04:38] <nixternal> consulting = $$$$$
[04:38] <EvilIdler> That's exactly why :)
[04:38] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: it worked!!!!!
[04:38] <EvilIdler> You bait them with decent, free software..then you help them use it.
[04:38] <imbrandon> no the software is free ( as in freedom not always beer )
[04:38] <nixternal> exactly
[04:38] <Bilford> you ahve to go to their house?
[04:38] <eimajenthat> I'm getting free consulting here, though
[04:38] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Yay! :D
[04:38] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: now to do it with my dapper release!
[04:39] <imbrandon> Bilford: if home customers are your target yes
[04:39] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: one more question
[04:39] <Bilford> eww
[04:39] <nixternal> i charge $175/hour to consult....you buy hardware through me...i charge you $85/hour...get it elsewhere $125/hr...mac i charge more and windows i charge more
[04:39] <EvilIdler> Bilford: Think bigger. Think of selling consulting & admin services on a webserver, fileserver etc.
[04:39] <imbrandon> most consultantsa work for companies
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: OK, what is it?
[04:39] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: how do i install my network card drivers
[04:39] <Bilford> Oh well, I dont have the qualifications for that kind of work
[04:39] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: they arent on there natively
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> coreymon77: Wireless, I assume.
[04:39] <CheeseBurgerMan> !ndiswrapper
[04:39] <ubotu> somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[04:40] <nixternal> what network card?
[04:40] <coreymon77> yup
[04:40] <coreymon77> linksys wireless g pc wireless network card
[04:41] <nixternal> ndiswrapper more hen likely
[04:41] <nixternal> atheros card...so it probably is
[04:41] <nixternal> unless you got lucky and got an orinoco version
[04:41] <eimajenthat> I have that
[04:41] <EvilIdler> Now I can't get that Enya song out of my head :/
[04:41] <eimajenthat> links abg card
[04:42] <neoncode> Need.... sleep....
[04:42] <eimajenthat> worked out of the box with Dapper
[04:42] <nixternal> nite neoncode
[04:42] <CheeseBurgerMan> neoncode: go...to...bed... ;)
[04:42] <nixternal> lol
[04:42] <eimajenthat> atheros chipsets use the madwifi driver
[04:42] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan: model number wrt54g
[04:42] <neoncode> It's 3:42 AM... and I have school tomorrow... great...
[04:42] <coreymon77> CheeseBurgerMan:: and i dont need ndiswrapper for it
[04:43] <nixternal> that is an atheros card depending on the version....atheros = ndiswrapper
[04:43] <coreymon77> i know that
[04:43] <Bilford> Did you set the keys
[04:43] <coreymon77> its a rawlink card
[04:43] <nixternal> wrt54g = router...not wireless card
[04:44] <Bilford> thats the one I have
[04:44] <Bilford> and I just configured my laptop to talk to it
[04:44] <CheeseBurgerMan> Bilford: Good..help him. :P
[04:44] <coreymon77_> my card has a rawlink chip in it
[04:44] <Bilford> but I did so many different things trying to figure out how to set it up, I forgot exactly
[04:45] <coreymon77_> rawlink does not need ndiswrapper
[04:45] <nixternal> what model# is the card?
[04:45] <Bilford> I get an unpleasant feeling when I help people , for some reason
[04:45] <coreymon77_> wrt54g
[04:45] <nixternal> that is a router
[04:45] <coreymon77_> atleast thats the model of the router
[04:45] <nixternal> that isn't a card
[04:45] <coreymon77_> let me check
[04:46] <EvilIdler> Bilford: Maybe you're a bastard deep down, and helping people is not in your true character? :P
[04:46] <Bilford> not too deep
[04:46] <nixternal> there are 3 main chips for wireless cards..they are atheros, prism, and orinoco...those are the 3 best...rawlink isn't a chip for wirelss cards that i know of
[04:46] <nixternal> besides cisco's airnet stuf
[04:47] <EvilIdler> Rawlink or RAlink?
[04:47] <nixternal> i forgot about broadcom too...i helped someone get one running yesterday
[04:47] <RadiantFire> me
[04:47] <nixternal> ralink maybe
[04:47] <nixternal> lol....no RadiantFire...you got yours up on your own...there was someone else
[04:47] <RadiantFire> oh
[04:47] <nixternal> lol
[04:47] <RadiantFire> well, you assisted
[04:48] <nixternal> hahaha..i ran you in circles :)
[04:48] <RadiantFire> linux-headers-686 were my savior
[04:48] <RadiantFire> I didn't have to compile the kernel in the end
[04:48] <nixternal> try this...do this...do that...no don't do that...hell you do soemthing
[04:48] <nixternal> ;D
[04:48] <RadiantFire> now if I could only get opengl working...
[04:48] <RadiantFire> well, working all the way
[04:48] <nixternal> i don't even know if it is working all the way for me
[04:48] <RadiantFire> all I know is my gl screensavers are borked
[04:49] <nixternal> actually i guess it is..cuz i have played tuxracer and what not
[04:49] <nixternal> and the one where he eats the fish
[04:49] <nixternal> lol
[04:49] <RadiantFire> i've never played those ones before
[04:49] <nixternal> he lies on his belly and slides down a glacier
[04:49] <RadiantFire> lol, thats hot
[04:49] <nixternal> i got bored and installed them
[04:49] <nixternal> hahahahha
[04:49] <nixternal> your sick
[04:49] <RadiantFire> i used to have fun with glhack
[04:49] <RadiantFire> it kept me entertained
[04:49] <coreymon77_> found it
[04:50] <RadiantFire> random button mashing :)
[04:50] <nixternal> you just brought back memories with glhack
[04:50] <coreymon77_> my model number is wmp54g
[04:50] <nixternal> i remember the first time tyring xwinders
[04:50] <nixternal> there we go
[04:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> nixternal: Awesome game. :)
[04:51] <nixternal> lol
[04:51] <nixternal> radiant...help him...i believe the wmp54g = broadcom
[04:51] <nixternal> off the top of my head with that though
[04:51] <coreymon77_> nope
[04:51] <coreymon77_> its rawlink
[04:51] <macd> hey since I know this has been covered 1000times and Ive tried everything I know, ATI IGP340M I cant get fglrx or the proprietary ati drivers to work, anyone else have the igp340M so I could take a ganer at thier xorg.conf ?
[04:51] <coreymon77_> my card is a rawlink card
[04:51] <macd> mainly I want DRI.
[04:52] <RadiantFire> coreymon77, so its wmp54g
[04:52] <nixternal> there is no such thing as rawlink
[04:52] <RadiantFire> and doesn't work with the prism54?
[04:52] <RadiantFire> ralink chipsets work out of the box
[04:52] <RadiantFire> so if it was a ralink it would be workig
[04:52] <nixternal> it is a broadcom card if im now mistakin'
[04:53] <RadiantFire> most of them are
[04:53] <RadiantFire> but linksys changed it up for v4 and made it ralink
[04:53] <coreymon77_> i used to have a broadcom chip for mine
[04:53] <nixternal> well...you can find them with an atheros chipset in um
[04:53] <coreymon77_> but the antenna kept on breaking
[04:53] <coreymon77_> i happened twice
[04:53] <RadiantFire> nixternal: do you know if I can set a ndiswrapper card to work in master mode?
[04:53] <nixternal> ralink is ndiswrapper isn't it?
[04:53] <RadiantFire> ralink works natively
[04:53] <DaSkreech> imbrandon_: Grats!
[04:53] <coreymon77_> then they sent me the rawlink card
[04:53] <RadiantFire> I set it up for a friend, he had a minipci airlink
[04:54] <RadiantFire> it worked worse under ndiswrapper
[04:54] <nixternal> lol
[04:54] <nixternal> i didn't think that was possible
[04:54] <nixternal> hawking 802.11g cards..they all have atheros chipsets
[04:54] <nixternal> or i buy my cards from seattle wireless
[04:54] <RadiantFire> it worked natively full capacity, it was sweet, I was hoping this laptop would be as easy to set up :(
[04:54] <nixternal> old dlinks are good..but can't secure worth a crap...
[04:56] <macd> atheros are nice, but theres some bugs in the drivers still
[04:56] <RadiantFire> so coreymon77, what does lspci say?
[04:56] <macd> I went back to using ndis
[04:56] <RadiantFire> about your card
[04:56] <RadiantFire> i'm excited about the new driver stack they are folding in
[04:56] <RadiantFire> that was donated by that company
[04:57] <coreymon77_> huh???
[04:57] <RadiantFire> coreymon77_ type lspci in a terminal, and see if it lists your wireless card
[04:57] <coreymon77_> i dont have linux installed yet
[04:57] <RadiantFire> eh?
[04:58] <coreymon77_> im using windoze at the moment
[04:58] <nixternal> coreymon77_: http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/28.html
[04:58] <coreymon77_> waiting for dapper to dwnload
[04:58] <nixternal> read that...it willg et your card up and running
[04:58] <nixternal> they have it for debian cuz i see the instructions is using dpkg -i
[04:58] <coreymon77_> for crying out loud
[04:59] <coreymon77_> it isnt a broadcom card
[04:59] <nixternal> YES IT IS
[04:59] <nixternal> give me a rev# then
[04:59] <coreymon77_> i know my own damn card
[04:59] <nixternal> version#
[04:59] <coreymon77_> ???
[04:59] <nixternal> linksys own website says broadcom
[04:59] <imbrandon> broadcom chipset
[04:59] <nixternal> version4
[04:59] <RadiantFire> coreymon77_ it is either a prism54 (broadcom) or a ralink if it is from li nksys
[04:59] <RadiantFire> v4 is the ralink
[05:00] <nixternal> v4 is broadcom
[05:00] <RadiantFire> are you sure?
[05:00] <nixternal> reading it on linksys website now
[05:00] <nixternal> ya
[05:00] <RadiantFire> i thought v1 and v2 are prism
[05:00] <coreymon77_> v4 is rawlionk
[05:00] <nixternal> wmp54g = broadcom
[05:00] <RadiantFire> and v4 was broadcome
[05:00] <nixternal> every single one of um
[05:00] <coreymon77_> v 1.2 is broadcom
[05:00] <RadiantFire> the prism54.org website said differen't I though
[05:00] <nixternal> im wrong..v4 is ralink
[05:00] <coreymon77_> HA!
[05:01] <nixternal> i was looking at pcmcia
[05:01] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: grats!
[05:01] <imbrandon> thx DaSkreech
[05:01] <nixternal> if your card isn't v4..then it is different
[05:01] <nixternal> lspci
[05:01] <nixternal> what does it say?
[05:01] <coreymon77_> screw this
[05:01] <Seantater> We have automatix and easyUbuntu for multimedia, why not something automating stuff for wifi?
[05:01] <macd> networkmanager
[05:01] <nixternal> does it see the card?
[05:01] <imbrandon> knetorkmanager
[05:01] <coreymon77_> im installing kubuntu v5 and then dapper thorugh that
[05:02] <macd> netorks are hard to manage :P
[05:02] <nixternal> they are easy
[05:02] <Seantater> even /installing. drivers?
[05:02] <RadiantFire> wlmanager is the greatest invention ever byy the way
[05:02] <macd> "netorks"
[05:02] <coreymon77_> nixternal: im not using linux at the moment
[05:02] <macd> if was un at the typo ;)
[05:02] <coreymon77_> its not installed yet
[05:02] <imbrandon> Seantater: yes
[05:02] <RadiantFire> ndisgtk is a nice frontend
[05:02] <macd> pun*
[05:02] <Seantater> RadiantFire: I tired it, IMO, it sucks
[05:02] <RadiantFire> Seantater: ? I really like it
[05:02] <macd> ubuntu has a gui?
[05:02] <nixternal> ya gnome
[05:02] <RadiantFire> yeah, ubuntu does
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[05:03] <nixternal> lol
[05:03] <RadiantFire> maybe I should make that my next programming project
[05:03] <coreymon77_> ill be back on kirc
[05:03] <RadiantFire> porting ndisgtk to kde :)
[05:03] <macd> I actualy witnessed someone download and install the ubuntu server iso, then apt-get install kde
[05:03] <imbrandon> knetwork manager makes ndiswarapper a sinch ( even installing drivers )
[05:03] <Seantater> imbrandon: ooohhh -- I'll put it on my list of apps to try out -- :-)
[05:03] <macd> I wanted to laugh, but I did not.
[05:03] <RadiantFire> imbrandon: it does?
[05:03] <imbrandon> yes
[05:04] <nixternal> no wonder wmp54g is the worst rated wireless card...it is built off the same config as the usb version
[05:04] <Seantater> imbrandon: what about downloading them on an eth conn?
[05:04] <RadiantFire> I have a wusb54g, except for the random freezes when using the 686 kernel, it works good
[05:04] <nixternal> my hawking works from live cd until install...no matter what version of kubuntu i install...and it is ralink
[05:04] <nixternal> that card is rated one of the worst...the v4 series that is...
[05:05] <nixternal> you can turn it into a usb version...only cuz it draws less power...so it is a 200ma card like the others
[05:05] <RadiantFire> imbrandon: I had heard horrible things about people b0rking their system with network-manager
[05:05] <nixternal> it isn't**
[05:05] <RadiantFire> they fix it yet?
[05:05] <nixternal> sudo nano /etc/network/insterface
[05:05] <nixternal> that is how you set up your network
[05:05] <RadiantFire> lol
[05:06] <nixternal> guarantee it is your fault if it don't work ;)
[05:06] <imbrandon> if they do just uninstall it in single user mode
[05:06] <EvilIdler> The nano method also increases chances of success ;)
[05:06] <RadiantFire> mmm,  I wonder what we will end up for network management once Solid comes out
[05:06] <RadiantFire> vim > nano, muahaha
[05:06] <RadiantFire> but thats horribly offtopic
[05:06] <nixternal> im gettin' used to nano finally..for 15 years i used vi...so my jklm keys are erased..you can't tell the letters anymore
[05:07] <nixternal> i and o are almost gone to
[05:07] <EvilIdler> Leet geeks use a completely blank keyboard, anyway.
[05:07] <nixternal> haha
[05:07] <nixternal> db2
[05:07] <nixternal> gah
[05:08] <nixternal> hahaha...oops...slipped in an old os2 venture database there
[05:08] <EvilIdler> The IBMs are the sturdiest battleta..keyboards I know of
[05:08] <nixternal> i love um..i wash mine once a month too in the dishwasher...great stuff
[05:08] <nixternal> i used to have a how-to on washing your keyboard at www.virtual-hideout.net that i wrote like in 99 or 2000
[05:08] <RadiantFire> that doesn't kill it?
[05:08] <EvilIdler> I dip the keys into diskwashing liquid and scrub the innards.
[05:08] <nixternal> i through in like 5 ibm keyboards
[05:09] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Koroaa got shut down :-(
[05:09] <nixternal> not at all RadiantFire
[05:09] <nixternal> you can't turn on high heat
[05:09] <nixternal> lol
[05:09] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: As long as you keep the temperatures reasonable and dry before use, you can put keyboards through anything :)
[05:09] <imbrandon> nah DaSkreech they choose to not continue it
[05:09] <nixternal> i wash my keyboards and my ball caps together
[05:09] <nixternal> lol
[05:09] <EvilIdler> LCD keyboards would be an exception
[05:09] <RadiantFire> thats fun
[05:09] <nixternal> ya
[05:09] <DaSkreech> That's terrible :-(
[05:09] <nixternal> like this stupid gaming lcd keyboard someone gave me
[05:09] <DShepherd> imbrandon: why not?
[05:10] <RadiantFire> lcd?
[05:10] <RadiantFire> how does that work exactly?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> I got a Logitech G15 also. :P
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> Its a nice keyboard.
[05:10] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: When you change keymaps, the keys change :)
[05:10] <imbrandon> DShepherd: video card lic issues
[05:10] <RadiantFire> what!
[05:10] <RadiantFire> thats retarded!
[05:10] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: Why? If I switch to Icelandic, I want to see the special symbols
[05:10] <DaSkreech> That would be be over here
[05:11] <RadiantFire> EvilIdler: so it mysteriously add keys
[05:11] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: And don't bug Dasnipa` either :)
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Hmm? an oled keyboard?
[05:11] <EvilIdler> Yes, OLED keys
[05:11] <EvilIdler> They're still partially in the fictional realm
[05:11] <EvilIdler> I have yet to lay my hands on one, but I hope they will actually be produced soon :)
[05:11] <imbrandon> DaSkreech:  i was talking to the right person "22:09]  <DShepherd> imbrandon: why not?"
[05:12] <RadiantFire> EvilIdler: that makes me think of the consols frmo ST: the next gen
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Ah Missed that totally :-)
[05:12] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: I bet the designers do, too :)
[05:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:12] <Dr_Willis> EvilIdler,  thats why i was wondering where he even got the thing.
[05:12] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: It has its uses in applications like flight simulators, too
[05:12] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: has  sabdfl reacted to that yet?
[05:12] <imbrandon> to what ?
[05:13] <imbrandon> kororaa ?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> The possible legal brouha of shipping a working XGL in Edgy
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Unless it's not going to work
[05:13] <imbrandon> kororaa was putting nvidia and ati MINARY drivers in with it, nothing to do with xgl
[05:13] <EvilIdler> I just want to go into stasis and wake up when it's sorted out. Then download the then-current edition.
[05:13] <imbrandon> BINARY
[05:14] <imbrandon> *
[05:14] <DaSkreech> I know
[05:14] <imbrandon> we dont put binary drivers in be default , so not the same issue
[05:14] <DaSkreech> but then Edgy wanted to ship with AIGLX/XGL
[05:14] <DaSkreech> ah
[05:14] <imbrandon> xgl is totaly independant
[05:14] <DaSkreech> I get it :)
[05:14] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: My brain auto-corrected that, but when you corrected yourself, I looked again. My idea of minary software is not pleasant :P
[05:14] <DaSkreech> I just didn't see the point of shipping it without that stuff on
[05:14] <imbrandon> xgl dosent REQUIRE nvidia etc
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> now i wonder if the installer could get them legally.....
[05:15] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: But then it's not Kool :)
[05:15] <imbrandon> DaSkreech: just takes one extra step ( apt-get install nvidia-glx ) heh
[05:15] <imbrandon> etc , no biggie
[05:15] <Dasnipa`> DaSkreech, ?
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Dasnipa`: Sorry :-)
[05:16] <imbrandon> he dident want me to typo his name and say yours ( auto tab )
[05:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:17] <DaSkreech> I guess that's an interesting side step
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Any thoughts so far on XGL vs AIGLX?
[05:18] <imbrandon> Dr_Willis: it could if it grabbed them from the nvidia/ait website and showed you the lic , etc etc
[05:18] <DaSkreech> X 7.0 went stable I think?
[05:18] <imbrandon> x 7.1 is released ;)
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> modular :
[05:18] <imbrandon> yup modular
[05:18] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/736417   am I correct in thinking the ati proprietary driver wil work with this?
[05:19] <imbrandon> ( wont make dapper in time though ) will be for edgy
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> now if they could get the xorg.conf file more modulare and a little cleaned up...
[05:19] <imbrandon> macd: should ( although i am not an ati expert , mostly nv cards here at the house )
[05:20] <macd> well, you ready to see some errors ? :P
[05:20] <imbrandon> heh sure, dunno how much i can help but like i said i'll try ;)
[05:20] <macd> thats all I want another mind, maybee Im missing something silly
[05:21] <imbrandon> w00t looks like kubuntu.pastebin.com is sped up to normal speed finaly
[05:21] <imbrandon> has been slow as ...... the last few days
[05:21] <Snake__> imbrandon: its because they started letting you store posts forever, it smashed their servers
[05:22] <macd> restarting X to test...brb
[05:22] <imbrandon> k
[05:22] <DaSkreech> Right modular thats what I was going for
[05:23] <imbrandon> heh
[05:23] <JohnCro13> okay.  I'm BACK.  Last time tonite.
[05:24] <imbrandon> j/k
[05:24] <JohnCro13> can anybody help me with my stupid TV tuner issue?
[05:24] <nixternal> i have been reading up on this whole xgl/compiz thing...maybe i don't see it...but what is so great about it?  it reminds of cuber...the old apple 2e screensaver
[05:25] <nixternal> whats up JohnCro13?
[05:25] <JohnCro13> nix, it's all about cooness.
[05:25] <Snake__> nixternal: get a koroaa live disk and play with it. its very pretty/fun :)
[05:25] <nixternal> i guess so...it odn't look cool to me
[05:25] <JohnCro13> it's just as cool as Vista.
[05:25] <JohnCro13> and that's what matters.
[05:25] <Snake__> JohnCro13: its cooler than vista.
[05:25] <EvilIdler> Cooler, even
[05:25] <nixternal> vista
[05:26] <nixternal> wth...vista stinx
[05:26] <nixternal> ;D
[05:26] <EvilIdler> Vista is just Mac with a different binary format now :P
[05:26] <Snake__> Does anyone know if vistas got virtual desktops at all?
[05:26] <RadiantFire> it is?
[05:26] <nixternal> vista = polished poop
[05:26] <RadiantFire> lol
[05:26] <imbrandon> Snake__: yes
[05:26] <RadiantFire> vista == 5 security dialogs to delete a desktop shortcut
[05:26] <nixternal> i have been beta testing vista...it is horrible
[05:26] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: Look at the presentation floating around. It's Bill Gates presenting 'new' features, but a video of someone's Mac desktop :)
[05:26] <nixternal> it looks pretty...whoopy doo
[05:26] <imbrandon> yea nix i have it up in a vm right now ;)
[05:26] <JohnCro13> so my issue is I have a Kworld TV tuner card.  When I try to open TVtime or KdeTV, I get a black screen and that's it.
[05:27] <imbrandon> JohnCro13: what chipset ?
[05:27] <nixternal> gah...why couldn't you have had a hauppage or a radeon... ;)
[05:27] <JohnCro13> 878
[05:27] <nixternal> hmmm
[05:27] <JohnCro13> this was cheaper.
[05:27] <imbrandon> hauppage == linux friendly
[05:27] <nixternal> ok..that is similar
[05:27] <EvilIdler> I like my years old Hauppauge.
[05:27] <nixternal> aiw radeon = linux friendlier
[05:27] <JohnCro13> the ex ran off with my hauppage.
[05:27] <nixternal> lol
[05:27] <EvilIdler> They've even got some Linux help on their pages.
[05:27] <nixternal> hahahahahhaa
[05:27] <imbrandon> JohnCro13: cheap dosent always work correct ;)
[05:28] <nixternal> i hate when that happens JohnCro13
[05:28] <EvilIdler> At least she had some sense :P
[05:28] <imbrandon> hahaha
[05:28] <imbrandon> true
[05:28] <JohnCro13> it's a sad story.
[05:28] <JohnCro13> and now, here I am.
[05:28] <JohnCro13> stuck with a cheap kworld.
[05:28] <EvilIdler> TVtuner-less and sad.
[05:28] <macd> yeah imbrandon no luck, whe  I use the aticonfig generated xorg.conf, when restarting X, the kubuntu usplash screen loads with no tet then hangs untill I kill kdm
[05:28] <imbrandon> trust me i know JohnCro13 i'm going through a divorce right now
[05:28] <macd> I think its time to check the Xorg.log
[05:29] <DaSkreech> nixternal: It's actually pretty neat
[05:29] <JohnCro13> good times.
[05:29] <EvilIdler> JohnCro13: I'm not sure if it means anything at all, but you had both dri and xgl loaded, didn't you? That is a nono with NVidia, at least.
[05:29] <nixternal> ya...really great ;(
[05:29] <RadiantFire> what ever happened to xorgcfg?
[05:29] <nixternal> lol
[05:29] <RadiantFire> its nowhere to be found
[05:29] <JohnCro13> I'm an Ati guy, Evil.
[05:30] <EvilIdler> My condolences >:)
[05:30] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ;)
[05:30] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Plus Compiz is pretty well done :)
[05:30] <imbrandon> i'm sorry JohnCro13
[05:30] <RadiantFire> imbrandon: yeah, but xorgcfg requires no user input
[05:30] <nixternal> is compiz a wm?
[05:30] <JohnCro13> hey, Imbrandon, will dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with for me too?
[05:30] <nixternal> that i haven't read into much...
[05:30] <RadiantFire> nixternal: yes it is
[05:30] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: ok "dpkg-serconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg"  no user input ;)
[05:31] <nixternal> i just looked at the pics and that was enough for me not to like it
[05:31] <JohnCro13> compiz info is on the novell website.
[05:31] <RadiantFire> there is a compi-gnome and a compiz-kde from what I've read
[05:31] <nixternal> ok...im not switchin' from kde...so thats that ;D
[05:31] <nixternal> i definately ain't messin' with it if it is on the novell website
[05:31] <imbrandon> nixternal: its a composite manager that works WITH knome or kde
[05:31] <nixternal> ah
[05:31] <imbrandon> and its in the repos
[05:31] <macd> well, in Xorg.0.log, I see where the ati gfx are detected and using the radeon driver, it even sais its loaded radeon DRI, then sais it cant find and framebuffer devices...any ideas? anyone
[05:31] <nixternal> i still dont' like it ;)
[05:31] <EvilIdler> KDE works perfectly here, apart from one thing: Konqueror keeps popping up when I insert media. I want it to stop.
[05:32] <imbrandon> turn off framebuffer ;) i dunno man *dislikes ati*
[05:32] <EvilIdler> It used to open Konq AND Kaffeine, but I stopped the latter
[05:32] <RadiantFire> EvilIdler: there is an option in kcontrol somewhere
[05:32] <RadiantFire> I wish the autopopup worked for dvd
[05:33] <EvilIdler> The framebuffer driver is loaded on the image disk thingamy
[05:33] <imbrandon> EvilIdler: its in kcontrol
[05:33] <RadiantFire> i put in a dvd and hit play with kaffiene, and it tries to play system;/media/hdc which is clearlynot a device
[05:33] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: Yeah, that's where I switched off Kaffeine autostarting, but I found nothing that helped against Konq
[05:33] <RadiantFire> or a mountpoint
[05:34] <macd> yeah I have a x1800 on my other laptop and it works great...out of the box dapper ..
[05:34] <JohnCro13> so, anyway...
[05:34] <nixternal> JohnCro13: i see people using that card with mythTV and having no problems...i don't see them using it with anything else....
[05:35] <JohnCro13> v4l-conf command does the same thing.
[05:35] <JohnCro13> I scoured the ubuntu forums.
[05:35] <XVampireX> Is X.Org 7.1 in the repositories?
[05:36] <eimajenthat> don't do it!!!
[05:36] <XVampireX> wha?
[05:36] <eimajenthat> upgrading Xorg seems to break stuff
[05:36] <eimajenthat> at least when I do it
[05:37] <XVampireX> Does it work for others?
[05:37] <eimajenthat> I dunno
[05:37] <eimajenthat> If you're confident in your abilities, go for it.
[05:37] <nixternal> hey JohnCro13...im gettin on with my lappy...i have a link for you that may help you out...give me one second
[05:37] <XVampireX> Not abilities, I'm not an advanced linux user... just wanna have the "Bleeding Edge" as they call it
[05:38] <eimajenthat> But if you have any feelings of newbieism, you should avoid it
[05:38] <JohnCro13> k.
[05:38] <eimajenthat> get Dapper, it's got Xorg 7.0, iirc
[05:38] <RadiantFire> trust me, bleeding edge gets old af ter while
[05:38] <nixternal`2go> http://www.mepislovers.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=8383&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&start=10
[05:38] <RadiantFire> especially when shit starts breaking
[05:38] <nixternal`2go> try that JohnCro13
[05:39] <nixternal`2go> i know it is mepis...but that guy seemed to fix everyones issue with your same exact 878 card
[05:39] <XVampireX> I'm on dapper
[05:39] <nixternal`2go> scroll down...eadwine put in his 2 cents and fixed everyones issues
[05:39] <JohnCro13> I am checking it out now.
[05:40] <eimajenthat> Dapper's somewhat bleeding, as much as I'd recommend.  Upgrading Xorg is more like hemorrhaging edge
[05:41] <XVampireX> lol
[05:41] <eimajenthat> If you want you want to delve into that realm, I'd suggest having two boxes, or at least two installations
[05:41] <nixternal> JohnCro13: here is a quote "you need bttv with card=78 tuner=5 radio=1" to make it work
[05:41] <eimajenthat> one with dapper, and one to hoze
[05:41] <nixternal> im guessing he is referring to the bttv.conf file
[05:42] <Den> Hi - Howto play audio cd in Kub?  yesterday I was told use "cdrom:/" in konq  - that didn't work. (K3b did offer to create mp3s.)  When I did "mount /cdrom" I got some error.   ---  I'd like to just be able to browse to the cdrom with konq, & click on tracks to play them.  What's the proper/easy way to accomplish that?
[05:42] <eimajenthat> also, install nirc and lynx
[05:42] <EvilIdler> The voices in my head are arguing about upgrading to Dapper now :/
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> May as well..
[05:43] <nixternal> Den: i just use kscd in the multimedia directory..it does everything for me..plus when i put in a music cd...kubuntu automatically mounts it for me...what version of kubuntu are you using?
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> servers will be over loaded next week
[05:43] <eimajenthat> nirc is a commandline IRC client and lynx is a commandline web browser.  If Xorg breaks, you'll still be able to access irc and the web to research fixing it.
[05:44] <imbrandon> Den : amarok ?
[05:44] <Den> nixternal: latest, I believe, plus latest kde pulled from somewhere as deb packages for ubuntu
[05:44] <Den> nixternal: er, or Breezy, + latest kde
[05:45] <Den> imbrandon: thx :)
[05:45] <nixternal> ya imbrandon...keep sellin' that amarok ;)
[05:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:46] <nixternal> is kopete the best all around chat client?
[05:46] <imbrandon> for IM yea
[05:46] <nixternal> figures
[05:46] <Den> Shouldn't konq be able to see & understand (what to do with) an audio cd??
[05:46] <imbrandon> konversation for irc
[05:46] <nixternal> yes den is should
[05:46] <imbrandon> Den : kinda
[05:46] <Den> So, what do I need to do so konq sees the cd?
[05:46] <nixternal> ya imbrandon...i will give you konversation...thx for that recommendation
[05:46] <nixternal> although my kubuntu kbfx theme rox on the llappy
[05:47] <nixternal`2go> it is groovy
[05:47] <imbrandon> nixternal mines better lol, although i'm working non a new one
[05:47] <imbrandon> nixternal check -offtopic
[05:48] <Seantater> Den: konq has a protocol called audiocd://
[05:49] <Den> Seantater: How is it used/accessed?
[05:49] <eimajenthat> !konq
[05:49] <ubotu> eimajenthat: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:49] <imbrandon> Den amarok is the best audio player for kde
[05:49] <Seantater> Den: It has several folders (which are a figment of the protocol's imigination), and you drag the files from the appropriate folder to whereever you want your music
[05:50] <Seantater> Den: The folders are arranged by encoding flac/mp3/ogg, etc
[05:50] <eimajenthat> what about juk, never tried it, but I've meant to for a while
[05:50] <Seantater> Den: Amarok uses the audiocd protocol, but it uses it in a way it was not intended to be used -- it;s made to endoe the music, not immediate playback
[05:51] <Seantater> encode even
[05:51] <Seantater> !konqaudiocd
[05:51] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Seantater
[05:51] <Den> Seantater: I don't want (in this case) to drag the files anywhere, I just wnat to put the audio cd in the drive, open konq, & go to a folder that has the cd files list, & click on a file & have it play - what's the proper settings/whaterver to do that?
[05:52] <imbrandon> den then you want amarok , konq is a file browser not a player
[05:52] <Seantater> Den: You probably want a cd player program that odes not unnecessairly encode the music -- try kscd
[05:52] <Den> imbrandon: but, I want' to browse the files
[05:52] <imbrandon> audio cd's have tracks not files ;)
[05:52] <imbrandon> and you can list the tracks with amarok
[05:53] <imbrandon> or use kscd
[05:53] <Seantater> imbrandon: true, but amarok is not necessary to list the tracks
[05:53] <Seantater> imbrandon: but probably more conveinent
[05:53] <imbrandon> Seantater: yea but he keeps saying konq and thats not going to wqork in HIS situation
[05:54] <Seantater> imbrandon: I agree
[05:54] <imbrandon> not for what he is wanting
[05:55] <imbrandon> den are you used to windows ? look at it like this , konq == windows explorer , amarok == windows media player
[05:55] <Den> imbrandon: but konq _should_ (i deem it so) show the tracks/files on the cd!
[05:56] <imbrandon> not by design, konq way to handel audio cd's is to get them ready to encode
[05:56] <imbrandon> not play
[05:57] <imbrandon> in a perfect world it would do both gracefully but umm ......
[05:57] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:57] <Den> imbrandon: Seantater everyone: thanks :)
[05:58] <RadiantFire> i need to convert all my music to ogg...
[05:58] <RadiantFire> now that I have rockbox working
[05:58] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: ogg2mp3 is nice ;) but again its lossy to lossy ( if at all possible better to re rip )
[05:58] <imbrandon> errr mp32ogg
[05:59] <imbrandon> banshee music player is nice too
[06:06] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[06:06] <coreymon77> im back
[06:06] <coreymon77> and talking form kubuntu!
[06:06] <coreymon77> guys
[06:06] <coreymon77> i got a problem
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> oh?
[06:07] <coreymon77> two problems
[06:07] <coreymon77> one
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> oh? oh? :P
[06:07] <coreymon77> how do I setup a konsole startup command?
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> konsole runs a shell.. so it depends on what you are trying to do exactly
[06:08] <Dr_Willis> commands in .bashrc or .bash_profile normally for 'shell' things. :P
[06:08] <coreymon77> i need to have a command for iwconfig to run at system startup
[06:08] <dereks> does kde have a builtin remote desktop server like gnome does?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> that has nothing to do with 'konsole' then.
[06:09] <coreymon77> its done in konsole
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  not sure on that.. there is a built in vnc viewer.. but never tried it as a server
[06:09] <dereks> hmm, i don't need a viewer
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> coreymon77,  its CAN be done in the shell.. the sysv init system runs a lot of scripts.
[06:09] <vinboy> hi kubuntu dapper RC1 out yet?
[06:10] <coreymon77> how do i get this particular script to run everytime i boot
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  i find it better to run vnc server in the backtground. But it depends on wha tyou are doing
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> coreymon77,  there may be a proper place for it in the networking configs/scripts.. or use /etc/rc.local
[06:11] <coreymon77> i kinda need step by step instructions on exactly what to do
[06:11] <dereks> Dr_Willis: why
[06:11] <coreymon77> if you can give me them
[06:11] <dereks> kde has *something* built in
[06:11] <dereks> jsut not sure how to use it
[06:11] <coreymon77> i dont know to much about scripts
[06:11] <imbrandon> vinboy: not for a few more hours
[06:11] <DaSkreech> How do I figure out what is using a device?
[06:12] <vinboy> ok thx imbrandon
[06:12] <vinboy> imbrandon: wat time does it normally get released?
[06:12] <coreymon77> i can run apt (which is my second problem) and run apps and type in this script to run it when i want it to and other stuff like that
[06:12] <coreymon77> but to get something to happen a system startup, i dont know how to do it
[06:12] <imbrandon> vinboy: 12 noon on the 25th
[06:12] <imbrandon> utc
[06:13] <vinboy> oh ic
[06:13] <vinboy> so that is 8 more hours
[06:15] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  faster for one thing.. and i can just  log out and keep the session running for weeks on end
[06:15] <dereks> Dr_Willis: how is that different than "desktop sharing" in system settings
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  desktop shareing is how vnc workjs under windows.. you  desktop you are on - is also shared..
[06:16] <Dr_Willis> running vncserver lets you have several  desktops/xsessions that are not seen locally
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> vncserver is how vnc used to work. :P (old skool) only recently has the shared-current desktop feature been  added to gnome (not sure about kde)
[06:18] <dereks> hmmm,
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> ive been using vnc for ages. :P
[06:21] <dereks> Dr_Willis: is there a reason the -fullscreen doesn't work?
[06:22] <dereks> i am using "Terminal Server Client" to connect my gnome box to my kde
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> no clue there.. i normally use.. 'krdc' whatever thats called. :P
[06:22] <Dr_Willis> could be the same program. just i call it from the shell.. and your icon has a long name
[06:23] <dereks> my icon has a long name?
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> in the menus. kde likes to use 'descriptive names'
[06:24] <dereks> oh
[06:24] <dereks> haha
[06:24] <dereks> do you knwo the correct syntax for cli?
[06:24] <dereks> nm i am a moron
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> krdc --help
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> :)
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> i set up icons that connect to my fileserver
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> i also got my fileserver set where i vnc to port 5962 and it auto-spawns a vnc session to the kdm/gdm screen
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> vnc is fun to play with
[06:26] <DaSkreech> I think Amarok went nuts
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Den: Found kscd?
[06:29] <dereks> Dr_Willis: heh, i am a moron, cuz i ahve a dual monitor setup, full screen spans both monitors :(
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  heh - i pluged in my tv to the tv out. and lost "X" for 2 days.. because it was defaulting to showing on the tv out...
[06:30] <dereks> lol
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  i was real real irked.. the shell worked.. X seemed to work.. even played sound..
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  then i turned on the tv..
[06:30] <dereks> gnome normall handles "maximizing" and stuff with twinview/xinerama really well
[06:30] <dereks> haha
[06:30] <DaSkreech> It's been scanning for a while now
[06:30] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  ive only used clone for the tv out and 'twinview' feature of nvidia
[06:31] <dereks> yeah, it took me 6 days do get my original dual monitor exactly how i wanted it like 5 years ago
[06:31] <dereks> its come a long way since then :)
[06:32] <dereks> if i am using twinview, that means i only have 1 "display" right?
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> one thing i aint been able to do.. is get the videos i play to show on the tv in FULL SCREEN mode.
[06:32] <aseigo> dereks: correct
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> like they do under windows.  - whichis dang handy
[06:32] <aseigo> dereks: by "reall well" you mean "correctly" or was that sarcasm (given the laughter the followed)
[06:33] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: i believe kdetv supports fullscren mode
[06:34] <dereks> aseigo: no, i was being serious, by default it handles it exactly how i like it to/would expect it to. I haven't used my kubuntu box on a dual monitor, so i can't comment on how it handles it
[06:34] <aseigo> dereks: ah, yeah, i was going to say they fixed that some time ago =) and kde handles it quite well
[06:34] <dereks> aseigo: :)
[06:34] <aseigo> dereks: our splash screens even show up in the right places
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  on the 2nd display only. :P -  i want video just on the tv. (full screen) leaving the other desktop untouched.
[06:35] <dereks> this vnc thing is the first thing that *hasn't* worked how i need it to right away(and it might, i am investigating it now), and i assume that is the clients problem anyways (not kde/gnome's)
[06:36] <dereks> aseigo:yeah, the splash screen on gnome i *think* displays weirdly
[06:36] <Dr_Willis> vnc has a 1000 and 1 neat things and 1000 and 2 'gotyas' at time you need to look out for.
[06:36] <dereks> Dr_Willis: so how do i do halffullscreen :)
[06:36] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: yes, fullscreen in kde apps is xinerama aware
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> aseigo,  but im using nvidias twinview :P
[06:37] <dereks> aseigo: so kde would have fullscreen for xnvc working correctlY?
[06:37] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Whats the most promising thing in KDE4?
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> the vnc clients are normally the ones that decide to be fullscreen or not.
[06:37] <dereks> Dr_Willis: i think thats why my terminal services app is having problems
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  the 'windows' terminal services ap? or krdc ?
[06:38] <aseigo> dereks: if you use the kde app for it, yes..
[06:38] <Dr_Willis>  I cant recall ever using 'terminal services' :P lets see
[06:38] <dereks> Dr_Willis: i am using it on my gnome box to connect to kde
[06:38] <dereks> aseigo: so i would *expect* the gnome one to work too... hmm
[06:39] <DaSkreech> Hooray the Progress bar moved!! :)
[06:39] <aseigo> Dr_Willis: yes, it works on twinview as well. twinview is just nvidia's impl of xinerama.. to x11 apps it looks identical
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> using the gnome 'terminal services' eh...
[06:39] <dereks> Dr_Willis: my main machine is gnome
[06:39] <aseigo> dereks: well, there's a difference between "maximized" and "full screen"
[06:39] <aseigo> dereks: for the latter you need some support in the app itself. just like with splash screens
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> krdc - has a 'fullscreen' button. :P
[06:39] <dereks> aseigo: ohhh
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> of coruse ya could krdc under gnome if ya wanted.
[06:39] <aseigo> bbiab
[06:40] <dereks> Dr_Willis: i keep my 2 seperate, no kdelibs on my gnome box, no gtk libs on my kde box
[06:40] <dereks> aseigo: thanks for the help
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> dereks,  phhht!
[06:40] <Dr_Willis> :P
[06:40] <dereks> i did till i got my second box
[06:41] <dereks> i notice it performs a lot better and looks cleaner
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> never noticed any differance at all.
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> as for looks.. :P bah!
[06:41] <EvilIdler> So no GIMP on the KDE box?
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> gimp is too handy.. and so is k3b...
[06:42] <dereks> Dr_Willis: and i also think both environments do a great job integrating their apps into the environment, but not into others
[06:42] <dereks> EvilIdler: i have it on my gnome box, but i don't think i have ever used it
[06:42] <Hobbsee> dereks: they've gotten better though, with the same dpi settings
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> i mix and match kde + gnome all the time.. and have very few problems.
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> used to be some big problems.. but i cant even think of any problems ive had  with the 2 lately
[06:42] <dereks> Hobbsee: really? i am waiting for freedesktop.org to merge kde+gnome
[06:43] <EvilIdler> Azureus is integrated nicely with the KDE desktop, really.
[06:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, kubuntu decided to use the same dpi settings as gnome, so that it was consistent across all teh wm's
[06:43] <dereks> cool
[06:43] <EvilIdler> I use that qt-engine theme
[06:44] <dereks> the one app i wish i could have on my ubuntu box is kpim
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> Hobbsee,  and drag&drop seems to work good now to.. in the 2.
[06:45] <EvilIdler> I don't mind mixing apps that have different looks; it's not as if you can avoid it on other OSes, with all their mad skinning and indecently non-standard GUIs
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> EvilIdler,  youve noticed that nasty stuff happening on windows and osx also eh? :P
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> its sooo 'nice' when a windows app. decides it should look like a OS-X app.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> normal square windows seems to be 'forbidden' these days
[06:46] <EvilIdler> Dr_Willis: I use Windows for games, and no two programs share a common GUI standard, even if they don't actually have fancy skins
[06:46] <EvilIdler> XFire: No option to turn skins entirely off. Norman: A sort of non-skinned GUI..yet there are odd buttons, and so on
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> ive given up on games  :)
[06:47] <EvilIdler> I'll keep playing the ones I have till I'm entirely bored of them all if Vista becomes a requirement
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> the $50 price tag on most of them now a days is a big turn off.
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> and the song and dance ya had to do for Halflife2 was just....  dumb. :P
[06:48] <EvilIdler> The $50 pricetag is actually excellent for me - different country and downloadable purchases :)
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> and the *#&@&@ cd in the drive requirements...
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> I do see more downloadable  things these days..
[06:48] <EvilIdler> Gah, HL2 was absolutely the most painful experience I've never bothered with
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> but i often play a game for a while - then give it to my brother.. what if that game would ONLY work on my initial pc.. that would suck
[06:49] <EvilIdler> 10-40 dollars for a game is nice for us; we pay the equivalent of 80 dollars for console games
[06:49] <EvilIdler> $60-70 for Windows games
[06:49] <EvilIdler> I do have some Linux games, fortunately.
[06:49] <EvilIdler> Besides the free ones, that is.
[06:51] <MasterEvilAce> sometimes when i install programs they don't put themselves into my KDE menu.. is that normal?
[06:51] <dereks> anyone have a problem with finding "libkdnssd.so.1"
[06:52] <dereks> i am trying to open krdc and it can't find it (on dapper)
[06:53] <Hobbsee> !gpg
[06:53] <ubotu> gpg is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto or http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[06:53] <dereks> eh?
[06:53] <dereks> prob not for me
[06:53] <EvilIdler> dereks: Is the krdc package installed?
[06:54] <dereks> EvilIdler: yeah
[06:54] <EvilIdler> dereks: There's also a krfb package that is related to it
[06:54] <dereks> EvilIdler: ?
[06:54] <EvilIdler> dereks: Just in case it is needed, that is. Check the wiki for info.
[06:55] <dereks> EvilIdler: i think it has to do with my kdnssd not krdc
[06:56] <MetaMorfoziS> bye all i go to school :\
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> MasterEvilAce,  yes.
[07:00] <dereks> hmm, the kdnssd package is installed, yet there is an error when something tries to use libkdnssd.so.1
[07:00] <dereks> where should that be located?
[07:00] <EvilIdler> The most common location would be /usr/lib
[07:01] <EvilIdler> Mine are there
[07:02] <dereks> do you have that EXACT file name?
[07:02] <EvilIdler> Yes, /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0, with two links to /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1 and /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so
[07:03] <dereks> hmmm, i am missing those!
[07:03] <EvilIdler> Remove the package and get it again.
[07:03] <EvilIdler> Your drive must be suffering bitrot :)
[07:04] <dereks> EvilIdler: i just did that, its not fixing it
[07:04] <dereks> apt-get remove kdnssd
[07:04] <dereks> apt-get install kdnssd
[07:04] <EvilIdler> dereks: This was dapper, right?
[07:04] <dereks> ya
[07:05] <EvilIdler> Check the contents of the downloaded deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:05] <EvilIdler> dpkg -c
[07:06] <EvilIdler> If it lists the libraries in the same location I have them, there's something else, very weird going on
[07:06] <dereks> EvilIdler: dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/kdnssd_4%3a3.5.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[07:07] <dereks> it doesn't list them
[07:07] <EvilIdler> dereks: Ooookaaay..
[07:07] <dereks> EvilIdler: do yours?
[07:08] <EvilIdler> dereks: Not sure if I have the package anymore
[07:08] <EvilIdler> It's not there, since I've cleared out mine. Besides, I'm on Breezy.
[07:09] <EvilIdler> I don't get why the libraries aren't anywhere, though.
[07:09] <dereks> EvilIdler: ahh, so you are using different packages anyways
[07:09] <EvilIdler> dereks: The structure of that system is pretty much the same, though.
[07:09] <EvilIdler> And the libs should be *somewhere* in your libpath ;)
[07:09] <dereks> EvilIdler: maybe they changed?
[07:09] <EvilIdler> Changed, and you caught them mid-change, perhaps.
[07:10] <dereks> i will ask in -devel cuz i did a locate, found nothing
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Blast!
[07:11] <dereks> EvilIdler: but shouldn't that fix on a dist-upgrade?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> is apt going to be updated in dapper?
[07:11] <EvilIdler> dereks: Yes, but if you happened to catch your updates while packages were being mirrored, you've got a system in limbo
[07:12] <dereks> EvilIdler: eh?
[07:12] <EvilIdler> dereks: Packages don't automagically appear all at once; they're uploaded in whatever order the devs do, so strange things can happen.
[07:12] <EvilIdler> Dapper IS still in development.
[07:13] <dereks> lol, oh so you are saying it might be broken tonight
[07:13] <dereks> cuz of the mirrors
[07:13] <EvilIdler> Could be :)
[07:13] <EvilIdler> Your mirror might not be entirely done. I know mine is extremely slow.
[07:13] <EvilIdler> If I update at midnight, I am often not able to grab half the packages.
[07:14] <EvilIdler> The pacakge lists are sent first, then the packages.
[07:14] <EvilIdler> But that's just my mirror; yours might have it happen differently.
[07:14] <dereks> EvilIdler: Hobbsee has the same problem, so it is prob a bug
[07:15] <EvilIdler> Yeah, probably
[07:19] <mrfishhat> has anyone had any luck with xinerama?
[07:23] <Hobbsee> EvilIdler: we were looking in teh wrong package - it's in kdelibs4c2a
[07:24] <EvilIdler> Ah. But where do the libs end up?
[07:26] <frank_> EvilIdler: somewhere in /usr/lib
[07:30] <DaSkreech> the new apt has incremental updates :-(
[07:31] <mrfishhat> Is there a GUI app for configuring twinview or xinerama?
[07:33] <BlankB> mrfishhat: Using dapper kubuntu it is in built into the system settings gui.
[08:14] <nixternal> ...
[08:15] <shanky> good morning
[08:28] <_phoenix> Hi all !
[08:28] <_phoenix> I need a little help here
[08:28] <_phoenix> I made un update, install a new kernel
[08:28] <_phoenix> how can I recompile the kernel or third party ?
[08:29] <_phoenix> because now in Grub show me 2 kernels and 2 kernel images
[08:29] <_phoenix> the older and the new one
[08:30] <_phoenix> and after this update I can't see the others partitions (NTFS from Windows)
[08:30] <_phoenix> somebody here ?
[08:30] <_phoenix> what should I do ?
[08:31] <_phoenix> ...
[08:32] <BlankB> _phoenix: when it installs a new kernel it leaves the last one in place...just use the old one
[08:32] <_phoenix> so then why updates exist ?
[08:33] <_phoenix> So I must reboot in older kernel
[08:33] <BlankB> see if it works.
[08:33] <_phoenix> ok, but if I have to recompile the kernel, how shoul I do ?
[08:34] <frank_> _phoenix: that's the whole concept of a unreleased version. dapper is not stable yet.
[08:34] <_phoenix> I see
[08:35] <frank_> _phoenix: are you running dapper?
[08:35] <_phoenix> hmm not stable yet... I don't like this words :)
[08:35] <_phoenix> Kubuntu 5.10
[08:35] <frank_> _phoenix: oh....  no that's breezy. If the newer kernel is not working there is a problem
[08:36] <_phoenix> So SuSE remains one of my favorites :) hmm... untill now Kubuntu it's ok
[08:36] <_phoenix> Breezy... somehow
[08:36] <_phoenix> wait
[08:36] <Hobbsee> frank_: it will be in a few days...
[08:37] <_phoenix> yes it's Breezy, I don't know whay I make the confusion, sorry
[08:37] <frank_> Hobbsee: I haven't rebooted with the latest kernel update but I've seen people complain that USB drives don't automount for example with it
[08:38] <_phoenix> so, if it show me 2 kernels, the older and the new one, and to kernel images... ?
[08:38] <_phoenix> and now in my storage media I see only floppy
[08:38] <Hobbsee> frank_: i havent been able to reproduce that, but i've heard others talk about it
[08:39] <_phoenix> and it shoud be another 3 partitions, from Windows - NTFS
[08:39] <_phoenix> what is the solution?
[08:39] <frank_> _phoenix: if you see 2 different kernels in grub it means that both kernels are installed at the same time. I suggest you just use the one that works for the time being
[08:39] <_phoenix> k
[08:40] <_phoenix>  but this is not a solution for long time
[08:42] <_phoenix> my /ect/fstab is empty
[08:42] <Hobbsee> _phoenix: because you misspelled it?
[08:42] <_phoenix> before update the new kernel it looks diferent
[08:42] <Hobbsee>  /etc/fstab
[08:42] <_phoenix> lol, sorry
[08:42] <_phoenix> :))
[08:43] <_phoenix> yes my /etc/fstab
[08:43] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:43] <_phoenix> :)
[08:43] <_phoenix> different
[08:46] <_phoenix> no solutions... ok...
[08:47] <evader> Hi, I was trying to find the most current version of Kubuntu to download,
[08:47] <evader> Some sites have it listed as 'Beta 2' , some say 'Flight 7
[08:47] <evader> What is the newest release please
[08:47] <nixternal> flight 7 is the latest
[08:47] <Hobbsee> flight 7, for the moment.  i dont think the RC has been released yet
[08:48] <evader> Thanx
[08:48] <evader> Well what was Beta 2, by the way?
[08:48] <evader> http://mirrors.uwa.edu.au/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/
[08:48] <evader> For examplke ^
[08:48] <evader> example*
[09:05] <inquisitor2> hi everybody
[09:08] <cfraz89> hi
[09:10] <Bilford> oh
[09:10] <Bilford> you want the most current version?
[09:10] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[09:11] <inquisitor2> Hmm
[09:11] <inquisitor2> what irc client you guys use ?
[09:11] <imbrandon> konversation
[09:11] <Bilford> Konversation
[09:12] <inquisitor2> ah well :)
[09:12] <Hobbsee> konv
[09:12] <inquisitor2> hmm, i want konversation in english
[09:13] <imbrandon> inquisitor2: install the english lang packs ?
[09:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's it doing?  still ftbfs'ing?
[09:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  yea
[09:13] <inquisitor2> imbrandon: aight, will check it out, first time using this one :)
[09:27] <nrsn> hi, new to kubuntu and linux, just wondering how much disk space it required?
[09:29] <BlankB> I'm not sure what is required but I usually give my root partition about 10G
[09:29] <Hobbsee> wow, mine's closer to 5
[09:30] <nrsn> im going to dual boot with xp, does it have to be a root?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> !dualboot
[09:30] <BlankB> nrsn: by root I mean the partition that holds my root install... I usually give the rest of the drive to my /home dir
[09:30] <ubotu> for wintel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo :for the Mac https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[09:31] <Hobbsee> nrsn: how big's your hard drive?
[09:31] <Hobbsee> and how much stuff do you have on your windows partition?
[09:31] <nrsn> 80g
[09:32] <nrsn> about 18g but my defrag, i need to create a partition, still has things scattered up to 50% of my disk
[09:33] <Hobbsee> i'd create about 10 gig as /, 30 or so as /home, and leave the other 40 as windows
[09:33] <nicko> evening
[09:35] <nicko> I'm looking for a mud client - any ideas?
[09:35] <nrsn> sorry Hobbsee i dont know what "as /" means
[09:35] <Hobbsee> nrsn: / = the root partition
[09:35] <Hobbsee> otherwise, just get it to resize, and use the free space on your disk - there's a setting for that
[09:36] <BrigadierFrog> how do I get libxine-extracodecs in dapper?
[09:37] <BrigadierFrog> its not in the usual repos I take it
[09:37] <nicko> you need to add the multiverse repository
[09:37] <nrsn> ant tips on how to partition, i was thinking of using my xp install disk to get to the format/partition point, partioning and then backing off
[09:37] <BrigadierFrog> I thought I did that already...
[09:37] <BrigadierFrog> lemme check
[09:37] <nicko> BrigadierFrog: you might have enabled universe
[09:38] <nicko> BrigadierFrog: on the same line you should add multiverse after the universe keyword
[09:38] <BrigadierFrog> ok
[09:39] <BrigadierFrog> thanks nicko
[09:39] <nicko> no problems, BrigadierFrog
[09:41] <nrsn> ok well thanks you guys for the info, gonna get going to do the install deed
[09:44] <BrigadierFrog> when I full screen the video's there's these jaggies that show up every so often
[09:44] <BrigadierFrog> as if the screen doesn't refresh fast enough
[09:44] <BrigadierFrog> is opengl the best way to have xine output video?
[09:46] <BrigadierFrog> eh oh well
[09:48] <cfraz89> BrigadierFrog: i think you need sync to vblank
[09:48] <cfraz89> and usually xv is best video output
[09:54] <treakath> hey
[09:54] <cfraz89> you know, the computer teacher at my school wont let me use my laptop on the school network, because it runs linux
[09:54] <cfraz89> why is that?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> cfraz89: that's crazy
[09:55] <Hobbsee> likely because they dont want to provide support, or have some windows based software that they want to run on teh network
[09:55] <aseigo> cfraz89: what sort of school? secondary? uni?
[09:55] <cfraz89> high school
[09:55] <aseigo> yep =)
[09:55] <cfraz89> last time i did it apparently he got really angry
[09:55] <cfraz89> but i wasnt there to see it
[09:56] <cfraz89> so instead of just using my laptop, we have to install java, eclipse and python on the school computers
[09:56] <aseigo> it's usually either a fear borne of ignorance or fear that they can't control someone running linux as well (the assumption being that a) you can do more with such an OS and b) the operator is probably smarter than the average bear)
[09:57] <cfraz89> lol
[09:57] <cfraz89> cant wait for uni
[09:57] <Hobbsee> they wont support it - but they dont care what OS we use...
[09:57] <aseigo> Hobbsee: universities tend to be a bit more clueful
[09:57] <cfraz89> yeah
[09:57] <Hobbsee> true
[09:57] <aseigo> Hobbsee: high school computer teachers tend to be math or science teacher who get pushed into the job and really don't know all -that- much about computers and are overworked ...
[09:58] <Hobbsee> true...
[09:58] <aseigo> Hobbsee: they don't need more brokenness on their systems (high school networks are usually a mess what with bored student messing with them and understaffed/trained IT barely keeping up)
[09:58] <cfraz89> he prefers windows 2000 over xp
[09:58] <Hobbsee> my computer teacher ran a mac :P
[09:59] <aseigo> which leads to the really annoying problem of it being hard to introduce linux into many high schools where it could reach more young people
[09:59] <cfraz89> yeah
[09:59] <cfraz89> all my friends are impressed by xgl
[09:59] <cfraz89> i havent told him that last time i hooked up, i could go straight into the principals shared folder though
[09:59] <cfraz89> they thought someone hacked the wireless network
[10:01] <cfraz89> but theyve redone the network setup since then
[10:09] <Spaceraver> where do i find the md5sum of the ubuntu dapper drake cd??
[10:10] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:11] <Spaceraver> thx... been googling for it  an hour
[10:11] <Bilford> but
[10:12] <Bilford> the last official Flight 7 was at :  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-7/MD5SUMS
[10:12] <Bilford> I'd get the Daily build though
[10:12] <Bilford> the old one has problems with partitioning
[10:13] <Spaceraver> okay
[10:16] <Spaceraver> dapper alternate??
[10:17] <Spaceraver> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ from here right...
[10:17] <Bilford>  
[10:17] <Bilford> let me look
[10:18] <Spaceraver> im actually at my third download of ubuntu... last two discs i made didn't work... :/
[10:18] <Bilford> Id go wtih my link
[10:19] <Bilford> yours says alternate.  Im sure it's ok, but I dont know what they mean by alternat
[10:19] <Bilford> why didnt they work
[10:21] <Spaceraver> well... the dvd i dl'ed killed itself somehow... after i chose install and 10 minutes of: Uncompressing Linux. Booting Kernel. it went ALERT! dev/ram does not exist. dropping to shell..
[10:21] <Spaceraver> and i wound up in busybox
[10:22] <Bilford> no reason to get the DVD
[10:22] <Bilford> get the CD
[10:22] <Spaceraver> so i will download the cd image and find a md5sum checker...
[10:22] <Bilford> do you verify your burns
[10:22] <Spaceraver> normally not... brand new burner
[10:24] <Spaceraver> and the SuSE DVD i made a week ago works fine.. didn't check or verify that one either...
[10:25] <Bilford> you can always wait a week
[10:25] <Bilford> for the official release
[10:28] <Spaceraver> nah.. i need to play around a bit... and it would be okay to run it right.. as it's only a week to release
[11:22] <Lynoure> I'm looking at the latest set of updates for dapper... any idea what's pulling app-install-gnome to kubuntu, or is it needed directly?
[11:32] <klerfayt> is nvidia-glx package going to be updated in dapper multiverse?
[11:49] <_rince_> mrgn
[12:04] <_nano_> hi, could any one tell me which process mounts my usb drive?
[12:04] <_nano_> i don't see any entries in the fstab file..but it still gets mounted..how? :-s
[12:09] <Den> Hi - How do I turn off the "Unhandled event:41" message box that pops up blocking about half the screen whenever I quickly press & release the "Fn" key?  --  A week ago I set some control to disable error message sounds.  Changing that or some other setting at that time caused the pop up messages, instead of sounds.  Now I find the pop up boxes annoying, but cant find where to turn them off.  I've looked in "system settings > sound & multimed
[12:09] <Den> tings > sound & multimedia > system bell",   "system settings > hardware > keyboard"   --- Any ideas where to turn off this setting?
[12:35] <vikke> !filesharing
[12:35] <ubotu> vikke: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:36] <vikke> can anyone help me to share files over the network in kubuntu dapper?
[12:37] <_rince_> vikke: have you tried ktorrent?
[12:38] <_rince_> it should be in the default install
[12:38] <Bilford> Samba
[12:38] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install samba
[12:38] <_rince_> ah, that kind of filesharing :)
[12:38] <vikke> yes :)
[12:39] <vikke> can i share to windowsplatforms with samba?
[12:39] <Bilford> yes
[12:40] <vikke> great ill try it :)
[12:42] <leafw> anyone running into Gdk problems?
[12:42] <leafw> Inkscape shows the iwnodwi n black
[12:43] <leafw> and Gdk reports warnings about the pixmap being empty
[12:43] <leafw> sorry, the window in black, and the menus as well
[12:43] <leafw> something is really wrong with the Gdk for kubuntu-ppc at least.
[12:45] <massimo_> hi
[01:01] <Hobbsee> !flash
[01:01] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[01:02] <Snake[Sleep] > mornin Hobbsee
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hi Snake[Sleep] 
[01:10] <MasterEvilAce> I need a reason to use my laptop more. "Sell" me to some linux apps to enhance my lovelife with kubuntu
[01:13] <EvilIdler> OK, Dapper was disatrous again :(
[01:13] <EvilIdler> Disastrous, even
[01:15] <Bilford> why
[01:15] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: :(
[01:16] <EvilIdler> The kernel wouldn't boot. Broken udev and/or kernel and/or update-initramfs. Bug reported to death by many people already.
[01:16] <EvilIdler> No kernel = mismatching NVidia drivers
[01:17] <Dasnipa`> all your kernal are belong to me
[01:17] <Bilford> do you work on it
[01:17] <imbrandon_zZz> MasterEvilAce: banshee , ummm yea
[01:19] <EvilIdler> Downgrade lost my sound again :(
[01:20] <MasterEvilAce> stupid worthless websites out there. Googled Banshee and got a review site. The site reviews Banshee but doesn't even link to the website
[01:23] <MasterEvilAce> isn't there some way to setup a sourceforge thing in adept? so i can have adept control the install
[01:23] <MasterEvilAce> like set it up as a repo
[01:29] <radone> I have just installed kubuntu 5.10 - Please, how can I change display resolution to 1600x1200 ?
[01:31] <MasterEvilAce> KDE panel-> system settings -> display
[01:34] <radone> MasterEvilAce: the problem is, that there is not option for 1600x1200 :(
[01:35] <radone> MasterEvilAce: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf I have defined modes:  "1600x1200" "1400x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[01:35] <vinboy> u have to set it in xorg.conf
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> your screen does support it though?
[01:36] <klerfayt> easiest way is  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:37] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, go for what kler said
[01:40] <vinboy> almost 12
[01:40] <vinboy> hope the RC comes out
[01:40] <MasterEvilAce> Sourceforge as repository???
[01:40] <klerfayt> I was thinking here - isn't it bad for my stabilty if kubuntu creates 3 entrys for some weird "wacom" deivece even though I don't have it?
[01:41] <MasterEvilAce> klerfayt: Stability? not sure. Wacom tablet is used for drawing
[01:41] <MasterEvilAce> You can remove the references and you should be fine
[01:42] <klerfayt> MasterEvilAce: I have done it but theretically thinking shouldn't it affect my system some negative way if xorg.log screams that "device not found" ?
[01:43] <MasterEvilAce> klerfayt: nah, i doubt it. or else they wouldn't have shipped it in there. I think it's more for compatibility for hardware, i don't consider that a bad thing, really
[01:44] <MasterEvilAce> klerfayt: I also consider "device not found" more of a debugging type thing, rather than some sort of critical error
[01:45] <klerfayt> is wacom so popular? :)
[01:45] <MasterEvilAce> for artists, yeah
[01:46] <MasterEvilAce> my friend has one for drawing on the computer
[01:46] <MasterEvilAce> it's actually pretty slick
[01:47] <klerfayt> any thoughts about why msstcorefonts look dirty (other fonts look good) http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/3561/snapshot15iu.png
[01:49] <klerfayt> could it be that bytecode_interpreter is turned on by default in ubuntu?
[01:52] <menno_> is the place to put in environmental variables: ~/.basrc?
[01:52] <menno_> ~/.bashrc
[01:53] <chavo> menno_, that'll work for just you
[01:53] <menno_> chavo: thats ok
[01:56] <menno_> chavo: and 'export SSDIR=/media/sda9/csound_data/Samples' will got
[01:57] <menno_> o that path every time i demand SSDIR?
[01:57] <menno_> (just to be sure...)
[01:57] <chavo> yes
[01:57] <menno_> thanks
[02:09] <menno_> chavo: is there a nice way to check if when i provoke SSDIR it is showing the location?
[02:10] <chavo> echo $SSDIR
[02:10] <menno_> chavo: ok it's astring
[02:11] <wangweilin> hi everybody is possible that now with dapper xwine is not included in the packagemanagmend anymore ?
[02:16] <Dr_Willis> you mean 'wine' ?
[02:16] <brenda> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:17] <ghb> I'm trying to get wpa_supplicant to work, but it won't find the AP. Could anyone please help me?
[02:17] <brenda> hy brandon_
[02:23] <Bilford> In amaroK, can you change the mouse roller value, so it raises the volume by less than 4% per click
[02:24] <klerfayt> Bilford: menu>system settings>mouse>advanced
[02:24] <wangweilin> ghb i might be able to whats your problem
[02:25] <ghb> I've configured the conf file (the way I think it's suppose to be), but when I run wpa_supplicant it just says "Failed to set encryption" and Operation not supported
[02:25] <Bilford> klerfayt, there's no setting for amaroK there
[02:25] <wangweilin> ok whats the command u use to start the wpa_supplicant
[02:26] <ghb> wangweilin: wpa_supplicant -i eth1 -D ipw -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -w
[02:26] <klerfayt> Bilford: look at mouse scrolling value
[02:26] <wangweilin> ok change the "-D ipw" to "-D wext" this might be teh problem
[02:26] <Bilford> klerfayt, thats lines.  I have it set to 12 lines.  I want to change only amaroK volume control
[02:27] <MasterEvilAce> what do the kde applets dock app bar, and kasbar do?
[02:27] <klerfayt> Bilford: are you sure that can be changed?
[02:27] <klerfayt> Bilford: never heard of it
[02:27] <Bilford> klerfayt, no, that's what I want to know
[02:27] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:27] <Bilford> In XMMS, you can change it
[02:27] <ghb> wangweilin: Hey, now I don't get any errors. Although it says there's no network configuration for the current AP. But still something... =)
[02:27] <Bilford> I'll check the config file
[02:28] <wangweilin> ok then you need to setup a config file ... lets start a privat chat and I will explain it to you
[02:28] <ghb> Is there any way of knowing what network you're currently connected to?
[02:29] <wangweilin> shure iwconfig
[02:29] <wangweilin> sure "iwconfig" i mean
[02:31] <wangweilin> sry i am not registered and cannot send privat msg ... sry
[02:32] <wangweilin> ghb plz join the channel "#ghb" because i cannot post privat msg
[02:33] <ghb> Righto.
[02:33] <MasterEvilAce> does KDE4 have a date they're shooting for?
[02:41] <dracflamloc> whats the best way to reduce the bootup time of linux?
[02:41] <MasterEvilAce> dracflamloc: disable stuff that you don't need from running on startup
[02:42] <MasterEvilAce> dracflamloc: I did it.. there's a big change for shutdown time, small change for start-up. there are more drastic changes you can make, but they're not recommended
[02:42] <MasterEvilAce> dracflamloc: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491&highlight=optimize
[02:42] <dracflamloc> thanks
[03:00] <cyberboy> frank
[03:01] <gabriela> HELLO!!!
[03:02] <blackflag> hello all
[03:02] <blackflag> Is it possible to compress a directory with tar?
[03:03] <EvilIdler> Of course
[03:03] <blackflag> how?
[03:04] <blackflag> I can not find a way
[03:04] <EvilIdler> Just like you'd archive files
[03:04] <EvilIdler> 'tar cvf archive.tar directory' to just store without compression
[03:04] <EvilIdler> That shows you what it's doing (v flag) while creating (c flag)
[03:05] <EvilIdler> Add a z or j to the flags for gzip or bzip2 compression
[03:05] <EvilIdler> You can also use Ark to do it graphically.
[03:06] <blackflag> ahh, okay
[03:06] <blackflag> how is it with permission in tar s?
[03:06] <blackflag> when I uncompress then I have rights from original?
[03:07] <blackflag> user rights permissions?
[03:07] <EvilIdler> p flag to preserve permissions for non-root
[03:07] <EvilIdler> If you sudo tar, it automagically keeps them
[03:07] <joshuafr> hello all
[03:08] <EvilIdler> So, 'tar jcvPf' would handle it at fairly high compression
[03:08] <MasterEvilAce> what in the world.. isn't samba config supposed to be /etc/samba/smb.conf ?
[03:08] <MasterEvilAce> It seems to be gone now.. what the hell
[03:08] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: That has happened to me on numerous upgrades, too
[03:09] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: smb.conf is something I keep multiple backups of
[03:09] <MasterEvilAce> damn! well how do i get it back.. or atleast a default copy?
[03:09] <blackflag> when I uncompress then I have also sue the -p flag?
[03:10] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: I'd recommend installing swat, and reading the docs about it. smb is a pain in the anatomy without it :)
[03:10] <MasterEvilAce> EvilIdler: thanks
[03:10] <joshuafr> I have a problem with xvid files, I can't watch them, and running xine give me the line : "video_decoder: no plugin available to handle 'XviD'", but I have installed avifile-xvid-plugin
[03:10] <EvilIdler> blackflag: Untar preserves flags by default, I think
[03:10] <joshuafr> a idea?
[03:11] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: You need restricted formats
[03:11] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: The joke is that 2 weeks ago all works right!
[03:12] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Have you upgraded since?
[03:12] <joshuafr> no
[03:12] <EvilIdler> Not a single package?
[03:12] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: many package, not a dist-upgrade
[03:12] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Well, that's upgrading, too
[03:13] <joshuafr> :-)
[03:13] <EvilIdler> Check if you can install libxvidcore4
[03:14] <EvilIdler> You'll find various such formats and w32codecs in the repository "deb http://packages.freecontrib.org/ubuntu/plf breezy free non-free"
[03:14] <tuxedup> ubuntu 6.06 will have xgl available, suse have xgl on kde as well as gnome, will kubuntu provide support for xgl on kde?
[03:14] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libxvidcore4, but nothing change
[03:14] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: What is it that won't play?
[03:15] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: all my xvid files
[03:15] <joshuafr> Evil
[03:15] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Did you make them yourself?
[03:15] <Infecto> hello
[03:15] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: no, I have downloaded them, like the demo of xgl
[03:15] <Infecto> can some one tell me how to export mail settings from kmail
[03:16] <Infecto> that when i rm -rf .kde
[03:16] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Use the 'file' command on them and see what codec it really asks for
[03:16] <Infecto> i will steal be able to restore my acount settings
[03:16] <joshuafr> file xgl-bastion-et-water-xvid.avi
[03:17] <joshuafr> xgl-bastion-et-water-xvid.avi: RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 800 x 600, 25.00 fps, video: XviD
[03:18] <tuxedup> the w32 codecs dont seme to support avi files, try mplayer of vlc
[03:18] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Which player are you using?
[03:18] <dracflamloc> lo
[03:18] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: kaffeine
[03:19] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Dunno what codecs that uses - I use Xine
[03:20] <tuxedup> xine wouldnt play avi files for me even when i had the w32 codecs, it complains it cant find the codec support, so try vlc or mplayer, i wa dunable to find a way to make xine/kaffeign play avi files
[03:20] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: xine says no plugin availabled to handle 'XviD'
[03:20] <EvilIdler> That's really odd.
[03:20] <EvilIdler> I'm in Breezy, and it just works.
[03:20] <EvilIdler> DVDs, too
[03:22] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: ok, mplayer plays it
[03:22] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Then it's an issue with Xine and Kaffeine, possibly the same library
[03:22] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: Dapper or Breezy?
[03:22] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: Breezy
[03:23] <dracflamloc> i have a synaptics touchpad, is ther a way to change th tap sensitivity and such?
[03:23] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: I haven't installed anything beyond w32codecs and libxvidcore4, and I just did a reinstall an hour ago
[03:23] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: thanks for your help
[03:24] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: If you can call it help ;)
[03:24] <MasterEvilAce> dracflamloc: yup let me see what i have installed on mine real quick
[03:24] <joshuafr> :-) my daughter will be happy to see her movies
[03:24] <EvilIdler> Good :)
[03:24] <EvilIdler> joshuafr: You should try VLC, too. It's probably got a better interface than MPlayer
[03:25] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: I'm going to try
[03:28] <joshuafr> EvilIdler: bye and thanks again
[03:28] <KDEfanboy> speaking of vlc... anyone happen to know why 0.8.5 isn't in the universe repository hmm or maybe i don't have my universe repo set up right..
[03:28] <EvilIdler> No prob
[03:30] <EvilIdler> KDEfanboy: No idea why, and it's 0.8.4 in Breezy right now
[03:36] <dracflamloc> MasterEvilAce, any luck>
[03:36] <dracflamloc> ?
[03:36] <MasterEvilAce> dracflamloc: adept decided to start updating a bunch of stuff.. it's almost done then i can check
[03:36] <dracflamloc> lol ok
[03:38] <MasterEvilAce> oh no deja vu
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> its deja vu all over again!
[03:39] <MasterEvilAce> dracflamloc: Okay, I have ksynaptics and xserver-xorg-input-synaptics  installed. ksynaptics is the GUI part
[03:40] <MasterEvilAce> or something like that
[03:41] <r0xz> anyone knows what a movie with a *.ts extension is?
[03:41] <GazzaK> how stable is the live cd?  ie if I boot from it, can I stay logged in and running erm, like for a few days?
[03:42] <dracflamloc> alright thanks MasterEvilAce
[03:42] <r0xz> my sister is hammering me to get an awnser ;(
[03:42] <MasterEvilAce> GazzaK: on my computer, the live cd was slowwwwww to do anything
[03:43] <MasterEvilAce> i'd imagine the live CD is just as stable as an install
[03:43] <GazzaK> it is slow, but i've got to use it this way, as the work laptop is being given to another user, so I had to reinstall windows
[03:43] <GazzaK> how do I disable all power management and screensaver options?
[03:45] <MasterEvilAce> if it's the same as an install go to system settings, desktop, screensaver    for power management there's a laptops & power in my system settings
[03:46] <MasterEvilAce> I have a WINE install that froze up.. how do i terminate it
[03:47] <chavo> MasterEvilAce, killall wine
[03:47] <GazzaK> thanks MasterEvilAce :)
[03:48] <MasterEvilAce> chavo: no process killed
[03:48] <chavo> MasterEvilAce, try killall wine<TAB> it's wineserver or something like that
[03:49] <MasterEvilAce> chavo: thanks, that worked
[03:57] <ghb> Adept crashed and now I can't get out of read-only mode. Doesn't matter if I reboot the computer. =(
[03:58] <eddy_o> hey guys
[03:58] <eddy_o> im having trouble installing kubuntu...
[03:59] <dracflamloc> the problem would be...
[04:00] <eddy_o> it says installation step failed when it tries to install the base system thing
[04:00] <eddy_o> u know, after the partition bit
[04:00] <dracflamloc> installing dapper?
[04:00] <eddy_o> erm
[04:01] <dracflamloc> which version of kubuntu
[04:01] <eddy_o> breezy
[04:02] <drgonzo> hey fellas
[04:02] <MasterEvilAce> did the burn go ok? i thinkthe live cd has a check media option when you put it in
[04:02] <drgonzo> how come there is no video preview support in kubuntu kde ?
[04:02] <eddy_o> i checked integrity of the cd
[04:02] <drgonzo> for konqueor that is
[04:03] <eddy_o> if thats what u mean
[04:03] <MasterEvilAce> ya, and it was ok?
[04:03] <eddy_o> im not doing the live one, the install one
[04:03] <eddy_o> well apparently one file was corrupted..
[04:03] <dracflamloc> is there a kde equivalent of gksudo?
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> kdesu
[04:03] <dracflamloc> eddy_o, well that file is probably where it crashes
[04:04] <eddy_o> it crashes straight off though
[04:04] <eddy_o> without even starting
[04:05] <drgonzo> or am I missing something?
[04:05] <drgonzo> Because I can't see any video previews in view -> previews
[04:06] <eddy_o> kubuntu installs onto ntfs right?
[04:06] <MasterEvilAce> linux can't write to ntfs
[04:07] <eddy_o> oh shit
[04:07] <eddy_o> thgats my prblem then
[04:07] <eddy_o> what system do i wana use?
[04:07] <HymnToLife> ext is the defaul Linux filesystem
[04:07] <eddy_o> that the best?
[04:08] <HymnToLife> It's good enough for pretty much everyone
[04:08] <Skrot> Unless you've got some unusual requirements for your filesystem, go with ext3
[04:08] <EvilIdler> JFS and XFS are other good choices.
[04:08] <eddy_o> such as what requirements?
[04:09] <ghb> eddy_o: For one, being able to kill an invisible process that's blocking the package database...
[04:09] <eddy_o> also.. i have a partition with loads of media i wana keep... thats in ntfs
[04:09] <eddy_o> so i should go with ext3?
[04:09] <drgonzo> am I missing a package?
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> Its better after unclean shutdown ext3
[04:09] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: Google for a test of Linux journalling filesystems to see if you actually need anything more
[04:09] <eddy_o> ok ta :)
[04:10] <EvilIdler> I use ext3 for my root and JFS for the rest
[04:10] <Shuriken> eddy_o: ext3 is much better than ntfs
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> I use ext3 for everything appart from /var on my webcache which runs reiserfs (because it was significantly faster)
[04:11] <eddy_o> yay its intalling now :)
[04:11] <eddy_o> i know its better..
[04:11] <EvilIdler> Reiser is great for lots of small files
[04:11] <eddy_o> but will linux be able to reead my ntfs partition?
[04:11] <EvilIdler> Ext3 is Ext2 with journalling tacked on
[04:11] <Shuriken> eddy_o: yes, but read only
[04:11] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> yes, but not write
[04:11] <EvilIdler> XFS and JFS was designed to be journalling from the start
[04:11] <eddy_o> cool
[04:11] <eddy_o> thats ok
[04:12] <h3sp4wn> XFS is good on IRIX never used it on linux because of horror stories
[04:12] <EvilIdler> NTFS support in Linux is enough to help you off the habit :)
[04:12] <eddy_o> il probs end up sending all the files to the other pc back home then rewriting the partition
[04:12] <eddy_o> as ext3
[04:12] <eddy_o> :)
[04:15] <MasterEvilAce> i let kubuntu format my stuff itself.. clean format.. what filesystem did it probably use?
[04:16] <klerfayt> MasterEvilAce: ext3
[04:16] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: You can see that in your fstab
[04:16] <MasterEvilAce> cool
[04:16] <paolo_> hi all
[04:16] <Hobbsee> hey pau
[04:16] <Hobbsee> paolo_:
[04:18] <MasterEvilAce> it's just a jump to the left
[04:19] <EvilIdler> Do the time-warp?
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> LOL yes
[04:19] <eddy_o> erm
[04:20] <eddy_o> which kernel do i want to install?
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> Also, why in the world did kubuntu setup three partitions? Partition 1: 29.1GB  partition 2: 1kb   partition 3: 729.5 (SWAP).   what's the deal with the 1KB?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> eddy_o: type /sysinfo
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: because it likes doing that way - something with the way it all gets mounted :P
[04:20] <eddy_o> why hobbsee?
[04:20] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: Depends on your CPU. i686 for P4, K7 for regular AMD
[04:20] <eddy_o> i have an amd64
[04:20] <Shuriken> the second one it's not realy a partition
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> is it possible to use that 1KB? perhaps it hides a 1KB text file easter egg? ASCII art even? i wonder what it hides there
[04:21] <Hobbsee> eddy_o: what EvilIdler said, and /sysinfo well tell us, if you dont know :P
[04:21] <eddy_o> ot says amd64 thingy, then something with image in it
[04:21] <Shuriken> in fact there is only 2 partitions
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> oh
[04:21] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: k7 most likely, then. Not SMP, not 64-bit (it's still only for the brave)
[04:21] <ghb> They say that the safest computer is the one not connected to any network. That's why I recommend D-Link Wireless access point...
[04:21] <Hobbsee> eddy_o: k7, yeah
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> lol ghb.. i've heard that before somewhere
[04:22] <ghb> MasterEvilAce: Try bash.org
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> yeah that sounds right
[04:22] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: 3Com homepage?
[04:22] <EvilIdler> Hours of fun :)
[04:23] <MasterEvilAce> yeah it is
[04:23] <MasterEvilAce> doesn't get updated often enough though
[04:23] <MasterEvilAce> it's sad
[04:23] <ghb> MasterEvilAce: Seriously, Linux and D-Link APs are NOT a good combination. Hell doesn't even work with Windows! What do you need to do to make it work?? Replace the damn thing??
[04:23] <eddy_o> erm....
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> ghb: Depends on what model - install linux on it ?
[04:24] <eddy_o> i thought linux was ok with 64 bit?
[04:24] <MasterEvilAce> LOL BASH -- <Sede> I usually got to be the car, because otherwise I'd pick the Scottish-Terrier-riding-a-wheelbarrow-wearing-a-tophat piece, which didn't leave anyone else many options.
[04:24] <ghb> h3sp4wn: Install Linux on a D-Link box?? Madness.
[04:24] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: It is, but are you ready for it? Getting Flashg working in your browser is a pain, some programs are simply not available
[04:25] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: I had absolutely no luck even while running 32-bit versions of browsers. No plugins worked *at all*.
[04:25] <ghb> h3sp4wn: Okay, if you wrap the D-Link shell around a linux computer, then it might work...
[04:26] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: You also completely lose the ability to use w32codecs to play various media formats. You've got basic Xvid, and that's not really enough anymore.
[04:26] <ghb> Tonight I recommend everyone around the world to be outside at midnight +1:00 CET. Look out for a white stripe on the sky. If you see it, you'll know that's my D-Link AP taking a joy ride to the moon...
[04:26] <eddy_o> crap...
[04:26] <eddy_o> i kinda downlaoded the 64 version...
[04:26] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: So install a 32-bit kernel and 32-bit OS :)
[04:27] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: Poopy :(
[04:27] <blackflag> can someone tell me how I should copy multiple files?
[04:27] <eddy_o> sigh...
[04:27] <eddy_o> il have to download a new one...
[04:27] <blackflag> I do "cp path/pri.* /path/pri.*
[04:27] <Shuriken> 64 bits version is still ready for the desktop
[04:27] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: I have a few commercial Linux games, and apart from UT2004 64-bit version, they were unstable
[04:28] <blackflag> but it tells me the target directory dopesnt exists
[04:28] <blackflag> but its still there
[04:28] <Shuriken> but there is to much problems for non-supported applications :/
[04:28] <blackflag> what Im doing wrong?
[04:28] <eddy_o> mm
[04:28] <blackflag> can someon help?
[04:28] <eddy_o> so i gotta download the 32 bit one..
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> ghb: If its based on ar7 there is a semi working port of linux for it - Try using better antenna's first - upgrade the firmware - which model is it ?
[04:28] <eddy_o> can anyone link me?
[04:29] <Shuriken> sure, wait 2s
[04:29] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: Did you get that 64-bit edition off a local university? If so, you should find other ISOs around the same directories
[04:29] <Shuriken> http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[04:30] <wimpies> I have upgraded to dapper and need to compile my ATI fglrx drivers for the new kernel.
[04:30] <wimpies> Therefor I need something in /usr/src/linux ... which package should I install for dapper ?
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: The ones in the repo are the latest ones
[04:30] <wimpies> Ah, dapper contains the fglrx drivers ?
[04:30] <dracflamloc> howdy. whats the package for sun java?
[04:31] <eddy_o> evil i downloaded i
[04:31] <eddy_o> t
[04:31] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: you need to install linux-modules-restricted and xserver-fglrx
[04:32] <eddy_o> do i want dapper hoary or breezy?
[04:32] <wimpies> could not find package ? need an entry in sources.list ?
[04:32] <MasterEvilAce> eddy_o: get all three! TRIBOOT OMG
[04:32] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: Breezy
[04:32] <eddy_o> ok
[04:32] <eddy_o> lmfao
[04:32] <eddy_o> hahah
[04:32] <eddy_o> x86?
[04:32] <MasterEvilAce> it would be an awesome use of resources as all of them could use the same swap partition
[04:32] <EvilIdler> Hoary is the previous one, Dapper is the soon to be released update, but there are problems
[04:33] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: x86 indeed
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> It is possible to use a 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel
[04:33] <eddy_o> errr
[04:33] <eddy_o> haha
[04:33] <eddy_o> x86 is the 32 bit version right?
[04:33] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Sorta, but it's a bit wonky
[04:33] <EvilIdler> eddy_o: Yep
[04:34] <eddy_o> k
[04:34] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: When I tried it, 32-bit libraries were there for backwards compatibility, but there's a way to run a chroot jail of some sort
[04:34] <HymnToLife> !chroot
[04:34] <ubotu> [chroot]  at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[04:34] <HymnToLife> but's it's much hassle
[04:35] <EvilIdler> Enormous hassle.
[04:35] <EvilIdler> If my preferred software doesn't work, it's not much good :/
[04:36] <wimpies> h3sp4wn : linux-restricted-modules is installed and contains fglrx but
[04:36] <wimpies> I ran xinit and x is unable to find the fglrx module
[04:36] <HymnToLife> wimpies> did you modprobe it ?
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: have you installed xserver-fglrx also ?
[04:37] <wimpies> hymntolife : should that happen automatically (It did in breezy)
[04:38] <HymnToLife> don't know, it was just a guess
[04:38] <EvilIdler> You may need to run modconf and look for the driver once, then it remembers it on future reboots
[04:38] <HymnToLife> but dapper discussions are on#ubuntu+1
[04:38] <glick> excuse me how can i play .ram files?
[04:38] <HymnToLife> !dapper
[04:38] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until than
[04:38] <glick> realplayers says that file type is not longer supported
[04:38] <wimpies> h3sp4wn : Ah it was xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:38] <glick> helix cant play it
[04:38] <glick> nor anything else
[04:38] <HymnToLife> glick> realplayer is available for linux, see !plf
[04:38] <wimpies> Much better !!
[04:39] <glick> realplayer says that file type is no longer supported
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: That would be it (check fglrx is at the bottom of /etc/modules)
[04:39] <HymnToLife> that's bad
[04:39] <HymnToLife> maybe !w32codecs
[04:39] <MasterEvilAce> I wouldn't touch realplayer with a really really long stick
[04:39] <EvilIdler> .ram is just a file containg a URL, isn't it?
[04:39] <wimpies> glick : tried mplayer ? I never use realplayer
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> I think the actual file is .ra the helix player is fully opensource
[04:41] <glick> it says the context your are trying to play is using an obsolete file type
[04:41] <glick> and is no longer supported
[04:41] <EvilIdler> Yay proprietary media formats!
[04:42] <glick> so wtf?
[04:42] <glick> i cant listen to them?
[04:42] <wimpies> glick : who is 'it'
[04:43] <glick> wimpies: realplay
[04:43] <glick> for linux
[04:43] <wimpies> glick : use mplayer ... It works much better
[04:43] <wimpies> or kmplayer or gmplayer ...
[04:43] <wimpies> I need to change my screen resolution
[04:43] <wimpies> in X
[04:44] <wimpies> I remember some menu somewhere ... anybody ?
[04:44] <glick> nay doesnt work in mplayer either
[04:44] <wimpies> What does mplayer say ... Does it recoginize the file format or perhaps it is missing codecs ?
[04:44] <v3ctor> if it doesn't play in mplayer it is not worth listening to
[04:45] <wangweilin> @wimpies I think now you have to go to systemsettings x screen something
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[04:45] <glick> im trying to listen to the audio files here
[04:45] <glick> http://www.landoverbaptist.org/60second/
[04:45] <wimpies> Hold on glick ... will try
[04:46] <wimpies> audio ?
[04:46] <glick> yeah
[04:46] <wimpies> I tried 'paster deacon fred' and it works.  Just save the 'ram' file to desktop and click on it.
[04:47] <wimpies> Then kmplayer starts up and I hear sond
[04:47] <wimpies> sound
[04:47] <wimpies> wangweilin : yes I found it but It seems the 'display' module is not installed ... (all others for perpherals seem to work)
[04:47] <v3ctor> glick: they play in amarok
[04:49] <glick> v3ctor: in amork it says error gstreamer could not determine type of stream
[04:50] <glick> wimpies: gmplayer doesnt play it for me
[04:50] <wimpies> Then you are missing codecs
[04:50] <glick> and when i just click on it kaffeiene tries to open nit
[04:50] <leafw> anyone having a hell of a time with gtk-2.0 in kubuntu 6.06 beta ?
[04:50] <leafw> firefox crashes, java apps run really bad., inkscape doesn't paint properly ..
[04:50] <glick> what codecs do i need?
[04:50] <wangweilin> thats because there is no gstreamer package for amarok anymore
[04:51] <goldenear> at least.... not yet :)
[04:51] <nick_> My kubuntu fails to start with the newest kernel
[04:52] <wangweilin> you need gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg und gstreamer0.10-esd I think than it works
[04:53] <nick_> Everything loads fine, but instead of getting the nvidia splash as I usually do, I get the kubuntu boot screen back.  It says loading local boot scripts /etc/rc.local but then won't go any further
[04:54] <glick> wangweilin: nah i have the latest version of those already installed
[04:54] <wangweilin> I had the same problem but I just reinstalled kubuntu ... sry I cannot help you
[04:54] <MasterEvilAce> nick_: i had the same thing happen. I tried recovery mode (hit esc at grub).. then when it loaded that, i typed startx and it gave me an error
[04:54] <MasterEvilAce> and he's gone
[04:55] <wangweilin> glick http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=181248 try this it worked for me
[04:56] <wangweilin> and is very simple to use
[04:57] <antx> how can I set a network interface as default? I go to Systemsettings -> Network Settings, hit the "Administrator Mode"-button, enter my password, click on the interface I want and hit the "enable interface"-button. So far it works and I have network access, but after a reboot its all back to what it was before. With every reboot I have to do this again. How can I save the settings?
[04:58] <Hobbsee> antx: add a line saying "auto (interface)" into /etc/network/interfaces
[04:58] <wimpies> Hmm ... when I boot and kdm starts up the display resolution is OK
[04:59] <wimpies> when I log in as my user then the display resolution is 640x480 ... which could have been saved
[04:59] <wimpies> when the fglrx module was not yet properly installed.
[04:59] <wimpies> How can I get rid of that setting ?
[05:03] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: Got to system settings -> display -> Administrator mode and set it there
[05:04] <h3sp4wn> wimpies: Because it is fine for upto and including kdm I think the x server is configured properly
[05:06] <antx> okay, but I cant save the file and have now idea how to edit it from within a console so that I can use sudo...
[05:06] <MasterEvilAce> antx: i use sudo nano whatever.conf    to edit files
[05:09] <antx> oh, okay, it seems the "desktop"- idea of (k)ubuntu is really just an idea... at the end one still has to do everything in a console... :-(
[05:11] <h3sp4wn> antx: you can use kdesu kate /path/to/file (from run)
[05:11] <MasterEvilAce> console isn't so bad
[05:11] <MasterEvilAce> i hated it at first
[05:11] <dereks> antx: so don't use it
[05:12] <MasterEvilAce> now it's just normal
[05:12] <dereks> desktop means desktop machine as opposed to server, not desktop as opposed to console
[05:13] <MasterEvilAce> Ok. Kubuntu is pissing me off
[05:13] <dereks> MasterEvilAce: why
[05:13] <MasterEvilAce> everytime I restart, something else disappears, is deleted, or gets lost
[05:13] <dereks> heh
[05:13] <Infecto> ello
[05:13] <antx> yes, but what is then gnome and kde all about? however, at the end its just me...
[05:13] <MasterEvilAce> This time wine files are missing
[05:14] <Infecto> is some thing messed up witch klaptop and performance profile ?
[05:14] <dereks> antx: they are about creating a gui
[05:14] <Infecto> 2.6.15-23-686  on thos kernel
[05:14] <Infecto> ?
[05:14] <dereks> antx: if you ahve problems with their functionality, patches are very welcome
[05:14] <MasterEvilAce> KDE is purdyness and gnome is basically like functionality over anything
[05:16] <r0xz> MasterEvilAce: don't do that...
[05:16] <MasterEvilAce> r0xz: personal opinion :D
[05:16] <MasterEvilAce> cough based on facts cough oh sickness cough
[05:16] <wimpies> I had a dual display set up and it seems that the screen shown on display 0 is the settings for display 1
[05:17] <antx> I m no programmer, I just thought by know linux would be an alternative to windows. It sure is in many parts, but apparently its not yet for my purposes...
[05:18] <dereks> antx: it is a great alternative to windows, i don't see a reason why it isn't, unless you need programs that aren't supported (where there are no alternatives)
[05:18] <MasterEvilAce> antx: it takes some getting used to. and it's always improving
 antx: you can use kdesu kate /path/to/file (from run) <-- may be a new icon with "Edit as superuser" in the K menu should be included by default
[05:18] <dereks> antx: i use windows for work, and i go into the command prompt a lot
[05:19] <dereks> i havne't found an operating system that DOESN"T need some sort of CLI
[05:19] <dereks> and in addition, it would take you 30 seconds to write an "open as superuser" bash script
[05:20] <MasterEvilAce> antx: I originally tried linux a few years ago. I hated it. most programs had really bad interfaces, and it seemed like a mess. It's cleaned up a LOT now, it looks beautiful to me, and it doesn't have the problems i had long ago. it's different, in a cool way
[05:20] <Bazzi> MasterEvilAce: the last bad interfaces will hopefully be gone in KDE4 :/
[05:20] <MasterEvilAce> I actually like it more than windows, now.. I can't officially get rid of windows though because i play a lot of games--something all devs don't entirely support
[05:20] <antx> at the end linux might be able to do everything that windows can, but just not so easily...
[05:20] <HymnToLife> dereks> mont Windows users don't need the CLI at all
[05:20] <goldenear> dereks: windows doesn't need CLI never
[05:20] <HymnToLife> most*
[05:21] <MasterEvilAce> CLI?
[05:21] <RadiantFire> goldenear: ever hear of .bat files? they are basically shell scrips
[05:21] <HymnToLife> !cli
[05:21] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[05:21] <r0xz> i have a serious noob question that i wanted to know for years now ;p
[05:21] <MasterEvilAce> oh ok
[05:21] <dereks> whether people realize it or not, they do
[05:21] <dereks> thether it is a bat file, or something similar
[05:22] <r0xz> sometimes i see people selecting text backwards with the keyboard, how do they do that?
[05:22] <h3sp4wn> The last time I had to do anything with windows (migrating a virtual server from nt4 to windows 2000) I used cygwin and perl for everything so that junk like restarting iis could be done over ssh
[05:22] <MasterEvilAce> I use command prompt a bit in windows. namely tracert, ipconfig, ping, etc.  and I use start-> run constantly. I actually sorta hate start menus.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> r0xz: ctrl+shift+left arrow?
[05:22] <MasterEvilAce> r0xz: shift arrowkeys?
[05:22] <goldenear> RadiantFire: .bat files can be launched (and edited) from the gui, they don't need CLI
[05:23] <dereks> antx: while maybe you feel kde or gnome *should* have an open as superuser in the file dialog, there is a reason why neither do
[05:23] <RadiantFire> goldenear: I can edit .sh files from a GUI and launche them from an interface, that doesn't change the fact they execute cli commands
[05:23] <dereks> goldenear: but .bat files essentiall are a cli
[05:24] <dereks> RadiantFire: well, in that case you NEVER need to use the cli in linux either, just create a bash script to open each file
[05:24] <MasterEvilAce> CLI is good to know how to use period. allows you to fix your own computer when windows (or any OS) messes up
[05:24] <dereks> or do whatever
[05:24] <mhterres> hello people
[05:24] <MasterEvilAce> hey
[05:25] <antx> yes, its more save and all that... but now that I just had a look at that interfaces file and find my router password there in plaintext, I wonder how save all that is in the end...
[05:25] <antx> just an exsample
[05:25] <MasterEvilAce> one thing I hate in linux currently.. when a program crashes.. no error message whatsoever that I can see. Just "oops" basically. or if a program doesn't start due to an error, i get nothing. I have to open console and try to launch the program there, and THEN it'll give me an error
[05:25] <h3sp4wn> antx: use wpa_passphrase
[05:25] <r0xz> Hobbsee, MasterEvilAce, yeah that's it, i feel such a noob now
[05:25] <dereks> antx: well, its similar in windows, you need to encrypt things you want safe
[05:26] <r0xz> thanks
 goldenear: but .bat files essentiall are a cli <-- of course, but the user will only have to learn CLI commands to edit a .bat file...
[05:26] <dereks> goldenear: so in the same respect, then there is NEVER a need to use the CLI in linux either
[05:27] <dereks> if you just edit bash files
[05:27] <goldenear> For most users, kate will always be more user friendly than vi
[05:27] <dereks> goldenear: i am not denying that, but people can't do away with the cli on an os
[05:27] <dereks> they need to learn it
[05:27] <Hobbsee> goldenear: then again, nano's not too bad
[05:27] <MasterEvilAce> nano rocks
[05:27] <antx> I just think that all the effort the KDE people are doing is in vain for the big mass as long as one has to work with a console...
[05:27] <goldenear> I used to works with cli when administrating a server :)
[05:27] <h3sp4wn> goldenear: Unless they read UNIX in a nutshell before they start trying to use a UNIX os (as I did) - why are people so adverse to learning anything
[05:28] <dereks> antx: its the same with windows
[05:28] <HymnToLife> +1 h3sp4wn
[05:28] <antx> what is the point of the networksetting dialog if the settings are gone after reboot?
[05:28] <dereks> antx: i have a feeling thats something YOU are doing wrong
[05:28] <HymnToLife> pisses me off when some dude is here telling "it's my first time using linuxe"
[05:28] <RadiantFire> antx, it depends which network setting dialog you use
[05:28] <dereks> cuz i never have that problem
[05:28] <MasterEvilAce> I think what antx is talking about is editing settings. A lot of programs in linux don't have GUIs for it. In windows, practically everything has a settings window
[05:28] <visik7> I had Xft fonts in breezy where are they in dapper ?
[05:29] <antx> in windows there are other problems... but sure not those
[05:29] <HymnToLife> I'm like "wtf are you doing her e? Go read some docs !"
[05:29] <goldenear> h3sp4wn: because of windows : people are used to work with a GUI and then think CLI is only for geeks
[05:29] <RadiantFire> i dunno, I seldom have to use the CLI anymore
[05:29] <goldenear> CLI is very nice for system administration IMHO
[05:29] <dereks> antx: complaining that linux is too hard to use and a waste won't solve your problems, why not just state your problems then we can tell you what *YOU* are doing wrong
[05:30] <goldenear> but it's useless for the basic user
[05:30] <dereks> goldenear: i am not an admin, i am on the cli right now :)
[05:30] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: if it was in X, the error messages are probably found in ~/.xsession-errors. KDE apps will give a GUI stacktrace though, and for example, amaroK will actually launch a new email message with the stacktrace ready to send to the developers when it crashes
[05:30] <antx> RadiantFire: okay, I of course use the one I find first... and I would not even expect there to be another one...
[05:30] <HymnToLife> goldenear> basic users can do their stuff more efficiently from CLI
[05:30] <goldenear> dereks: do to what exactly ?
[05:30] <HymnToLife> i.e. copying files and such things
[05:30] <dereks> well, email, im, chat, etc
[05:30] <RadiantFire> antx: did you use the one in system settings?
[05:30] <eddy_o> erm
[05:31] <dereks> antx: stop complaining and describe your problem
[05:31] <RadiantFire> antx: you have to select "start at boot" for the interface to come back up
[05:31] <eddy_o> should the main 1st drive with the system files on be the root / drive?
[05:31] <h3sp4wn> I think most cli stuff works better (wpa_supplicant from cli not constantly polling the network like that networkmanager junk does for example)
[05:31] <goldenear> dereks: so you're not a basic user... I meann to do all this stuffs from gui you need some computer skill
[05:31] <dereks> goldenear: oh yes, but on windows i still need the cli
[05:31] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: yeah, I understand. amaroK was one i was thinking of. the dialog that appears is just basically "oops" sure, you CAN find out what happened, but it would be nice to just know right then in the crash.  The other part is, say the sources.list for Adept is messed up.. if you try to open adept, nothing. no error. but if you use apt-get in console, it'll tell you the error
[05:31] <dereks> and i don't do anything big on windows
[05:31] <dereks> outside of VS2005
[05:32] <RadiantFire> MasterEvilAce: what would be nice is a "cannot execute program dialog" like the one gnome spews when it can't launch something
[05:32] <antx> dereks: well, as I said: at the end its just me... Linux is just not there yet where I would like it to be...
[05:33] <dereks> antx: so then either help contribute (so your complaints mean something) or swtich to another os that is "there"
[05:33] <MasterEvilAce> RadiantFire: Don't know much about gnome. I used it only the first time I installed linux.. after I got KDE, it was over. gg gnome :P but any sort of detail info is good to have
[05:34] <antx> contributing isnt that easy when you are not a programmer...
[05:35] <MasterEvilAce> ywah, but with opensource you can basically go to a forum and tell people what you're wanting fixed
[05:35] <MasterEvilAce> and someone can do it
[05:35] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: yep, I noticed that adept does do that in its present state (at least the one that was there before the last upgrade). that's true. there, you're talking about runtime problems, though, not crashing. well, when a program crashes, it's basically because it's trying to access or run code in invalid memory spaces, so for an ordinary user, "oops" is about the best you can do because it's not understandable. in windows, i
[05:35] <KDEfanboy>  that's the best you can do
[05:35] <dereks> antx: thats not true, there are tons of tasks, what do you do for a living
[05:36] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: Ah, very true
[05:37] <antx> a while ago I had a problem with Klaptop, I checked the docs and found that it was totaly outdated and did not fit the program anymore. I posted a bugreport and offered my help with the docs, but that was it since then...
[05:37] <antx> Im an artist...
[05:38] <dereks> antx: they need LOTS of artists
[05:38] <Hobbsee> antx: grab kpowersave instead :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ah yes, see #ubuntu-art for artists, i think
[05:38] <dereks> antx: http://kde.org/support/#Contributing
[05:38] <RadiantFire> antx: http://appeal.kde.org/wiki/Oxygen
[05:38] <_andy> hello
[05:38] <_andy> how can i get me mp3's till play?
[05:38] <aseigo> antx: if you are still interested in writing docu, email kde-docs-en@kde.org =)
[05:38] <dereks> antx: they need people in documentation AND art
[05:38] <aseigo> antx: they'll point you in the right direction
[05:39] <aseigo> antx: and yes, artists are always in demand =)
[05:39] <antx> hold on... I have to write things down...
[05:40] <KDEfanboy> _andy: which players have you tried?
[05:41] <_andy> im new till this
[05:41] <_andy> none
[05:41] <_andy> lol
[05:42] <MasterEvilAce> _andy: you want to be able to play mp3s?
[05:42] <RadiantFire> try clicking on your mp3 files and seeing what happens then
[05:42] <_andy> yes
[05:42] <_andy> ok
[05:42] <_andy> i'll try now
[05:42] <_andy> brb
[05:43] <KDEfanboy> oh, to be a newb. those were the days
[05:44] <eddy_o> no they werent
[05:44] <KDEfanboy> :)
[05:45] <_andy> i have till restart its not letting me into my usb hard drive lol
[05:45] <_andy> brb
[05:45] <mensur> does anyone know if there is some nice looking app installer which can be used ??
[05:46] <jjesse> mensur: are you running dapper or breezy?
[05:46] <MasterEvilAce> damn. wine is saying "could not load c:\\windows\\system32\\install.exe" : module not found"
[05:46] <mensur> jjesse: dapper... and i want to distribute one software with it
[05:47] <jjesse> mensur: hmm don't know was thrown off track by your question to be honest, i thought you were asking about installing software not distrubting softawr
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> Anyone running ubuntu on an xbox ?
[05:48] <mensur> hehe thanx anyway
[05:48] <MasterEvilAce> lmao
[05:49] <HymnToLife> h3sp4wn> !anyone :p
[05:50] <antx> here is another question: I once hit "lock session" by accident and got a loginscreen after that. put it just would not acept my password. And I really tried a lot... how come? it is my user password that it wants or not?
[05:50] <MasterEvilAce> yeah, user pass
[05:50] <visik7> kubuntu dapper fonts are tfu
[05:50] <visik7> any way to fix it ?
[05:50] <KDEfanboy> mensur: maybe this is good http://www.happypenguin.org/show?BitRock%20InstallBuilder
[05:51] <eosyn> heh I accidentally hit lock session last night
[05:51] <eosyn> it didnt lock anything, it just logged me out.. cute
[05:51] <antx> hmm... strange... I could make a new session with my password but the old one was just locked...
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: Are you ? Its easy enough to get debian on it and its x86 based so I don't see why it shouldn't be relatively easy
[05:53] <HymnToLife> nope I'm not, I don't have a xbox
[05:54] <h3sp4wn> HymnToLife: I don't but am thinking that they may be quite a bit quieter than my current server
[05:55] <mensur> KDEfanboy: yes but i have heard that some of bitrock apps are containing spyware
[05:56] <KDEfanboy> oh
[05:56] <mensur> hehe
[05:57] <eddy_o> oh la la
[05:58] <yogi> Can someone tell me which pkg it is that auto-umounts a cdr drive when the eject button is pushed?  Breeay did it automagically, Dapper doesn't.
[05:58] <jjesse> yogi: it works for me correctly on dapper
[05:59] <KDEfanboy> i hope _andy didn't lose hope :(
[05:59] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[05:59] <yogi> jjesse:Hm.  Wonder why it's busted on my up-to-date system, then...?
[06:00] <yogi> jjessee:Been busted ever since the upgrade from Breezy to Dapper via FTP.
[06:00] <jjesse> yogi: don't know,sorry
[06:01] <yogi> jjesse:Right-o.  That was more-or-less rhetorical. :-)  Thanks.
[06:02] <wimpies> I still am not able to set my user session to the proper resolution.
[06:02] <wimpies> When KDM shows, the resolution is fine but when I log in then it seems that the
[06:03] <wimpies> settings for screen1 (I had / have a dual head setting) are selected
[06:03] <klerfayt> wimpies: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:06] <eddy_o> right
[06:06] <eddy_o> huys
[06:06] <eddy_o> guys even
[06:06] <MasterEvilAce> hi
[06:06] <eddy_o> how do u set up a vpn on a freshly intalled kubuntu?
[06:07] <HymnToLife> !vpn
[06:07] <ubotu> hmm... vpn is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[06:07] <eddy_o> do u need the network drivers for ur mobo or what?
[06:07] <MasterEvilAce> are there any Linux emulators?
[06:07] <MasterEvilAce> NES/SNES etc
[06:07] <eddy_o> thats useless
[06:08] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[06:08] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> why ?
[06:08] <eddy_o> no idea how that helps lol
[06:08] <HymnToLife> wait for someone else then, or maybe ask in #ubuntu
[06:08] <r0xz> is the beta2 download the RC?
[06:09] <vinboy> no
[06:10] <r0xz> cool, something to wait for then
[06:15] <eddy_o> uhh im stuck again :(
[06:15] <MasterEvilAce> where
[06:16] <eddy_o> asrock doesnt do any drivers for linux...
[06:16] <eddy_o> i have an asrock mobo
[06:16] <eddy_o> :/
[06:17] <MasterEvilAce> there needs to be more programs out there that move animated characters around your desktop
[06:17] <eddy_o> ...
[06:17] <eddy_o> how do i get the drivers in on linux?
[06:17] <klerfayt> MasterEvilAce: there are
[06:18] <wimpies> klerfayt : nope ... that does not help ... it still uses 640x480 after I login (which corresponds to screen1 settings)
[06:18] <klerfayt> wimpies: menu>system settings
[06:18] <eddy_o> help meeeee :'(
[06:18] <klerfayt> wimpies: menu>system settings>display
[06:18] <XVampireX> eddy_o: What drivers?
[06:18] <wimpies> Strangely enough, in system settings the display configuration does not work (it does not show anything)
[06:19] <wimpies> On my laptop it does so I presume I am missing some module or something but which ?
[06:19] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: nes/snes use zsnes
[06:19] <XVampireX> eddy_o: What drivers?
[06:20] <h3sp4wn> MasterEvilAce: You are probably better off building the pre release 1.43 versions from source (They run alot lot faster / better)
[06:20] <MasterEvilAce> it's a shame the noob windows stuff carried over to linux. i click X on a program, it tells me it's in system tray. you close from system tray and the program asks if you meant to close it.. ugh
[06:21] <MasterEvilAce> h3sp4wn, XVampireX: thanks
[06:22] <eddy_o> nm vampire:)
[06:22] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: I didn't notice it but yeah, actually, sometimes it's a good thing to get confirmation, it's not Kubuntu/KDE's fault, it's programmers "fault", but it's easier for people who didn't intentionally click on it, some people have reflexes to do it
[06:23] <XVampireX> eddy_o: that gaming vpn thingy, just do it, it should work.
[06:24] <dracflamloc> hey. i dunno what happened. i restarted my computer, and now after i click login, the screen goes blank for a second then the login screen pops up again
[06:25] <XVampireX> What did you do before it?
[06:25] <dracflamloc> nothing that i can think of
[06:25] <dracflamloc> it was just sitting there
[06:26] <XVampireX> Does it bother you? Is it really a problem?
[06:26] <XVampireX> Ah, wait
[06:26] <dracflamloc> i mean it cant start kde
[06:26] <XVampireX> nevermind, I'm kinda dizzy, didn't sleep for a while
[06:26] <MasterEvilAce> anyone know if there's a way to stream music from a network drive (using Samba) through amaroK?
[06:26] <MasterEvilAce> plugin or somethin'
[06:27] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Maybe :P
[06:27] <XVampireX> dracflamloc: Did you update recently?
[06:28] <dracflamloc> mm. no
[06:28] <XVampireX> You dual booting ubuntu and kubuntu?
[06:28] <dracflamloc> nah, just kubuntu
[06:28] <dracflamloc> no dual boot
[06:29] <XVampireX> KDM might have failed loading something
[06:29] <XVampireX> Did you try getting into the safe thingy?
[06:29] <dracflamloc> yea failsafe seems to work
[06:29] <dracflamloc> just opens a konsole window
[06:30] <dracflamloc> no border
[06:30] <XVampireX> Oh
[06:30] <XVampireX> Yeah, KDM failed to load something
[06:30] <dracflamloc> is there a kde log?
[06:30] <XVampireX> You'll need to ask someone else :P
[06:31] <XVampireX> I'm not that advanced but I know a little bit what might be going on
[06:31] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: what does playing through the kioslave do?
[06:31] <XVampireX> Log? There might be, try to see what fails to load during startup
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: No idea what that means
[06:33] <dracflamloc> hrm
[06:33] <_usuario> HOLA!
[06:33] <dracflamloc> only thing i see in kdm.log is some errors regarding synaptics touchpad
[06:33] <KDEfanboy> dracflamloc: maybe you are looking for ~/.xsession-errors, where X stdout goes
[06:33] <XVampireX> not related to synaptic
[06:33] <_usuario> que hay?
[06:33] <_usuario> sale, que esten bien!
[06:33] <XVampireX> lol
[06:34] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: using the smb:// kioslave. if it plays ok, you might be able to build a playlist and point files to it
[06:34] <dracflamloc> KDEfanboy, x is fine i think since the kdm shows up ok
[06:34] <dracflamloc> nothing in .xsession-erros
[06:34] <ll_one> hello :)
[06:35] <ll_one> I'm trying to enable direct rendering on my apple laptop (ATI), does anyone here know know where to look for help?
[06:35] <jarlath> Can anybody tell me how to restart my network when my wifi connection is lost? I've tried the script in the init.d folder 'networking restart', but it doesnt change things. At present, only rebooting reconnects me to the network.
[06:36] <dracflamloc> =(
[06:36] <ll_one> jarlath: do you use dhcp? Then you prob have to restart the dhcp daemon
[06:38] <jarlath> ll_one, I have also tried 'dhclient wlan0'. but it never establishes a connection.
[06:38] <KDEfanboy> dracflamloc: completely empty?? there should be a lot output from various kde startup apps.. you can check /var/log/kdm.log* .. then try starting kde manually without kdm from a login console
[06:38] <Sweet_kate> hello everybody
[06:38] <jarlath> Maybe its not the same thing though. I will try killing theh daemon too.
[06:38] <KDEfanboy> hey kate
[06:39] <dracflamloc> KDEfanboy, kdm.log has alot of stuff. only errors i see are regarding synaptics touchpad
[06:41] <Sweet_kate> if i right-click on desktop it  does not appear the menu that once appeared!! hopw can i restore it??
[06:41] <KDEfanboy> dracflamloc: hmm next is to then stop kdm and use startx from a login console and see the output directly
[06:42] <eddy_o> whats the root password?
[06:42] <XVampireX> just use sudo
[06:42] <eddy_o> sudo?
[06:42] <MasterEvilAce> eddy_o: first rule of sudo, don't talk about sudo
[06:42] <eddy_o> ...
[06:42] <eddy_o> ?
[06:43] <KDEfanboy> rofl
[06:43] <eddy_o> anyway
[06:43] <hastesaver> !tell eddy_o about root
[06:43] <eddy_o> whats the root pw? :p
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> eddy_o: that's a security risk, we can't!
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> don't give out your root password!
[06:43] <klerfayt> !root
[06:43] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:43] <eddy_o> ty :)
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> aw, we could have had him confused all day
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> stupid ubotu bot
[06:43] <nixternal> lol
[06:43] <eddy_o> :p
[06:44] <eddy_o> bitch :p
[06:44] <MasterEvilAce> :)
[06:44] <eddy_o> well
[06:44] <eddy_o> apparently to set up my vpn i have to do this
[06:44] <eddy_o> To configure or create a VPN connection you need to run the PPTP client as root,
[06:44] <eddy_o> # pptpconfig.php
[06:44] <eddy_o> how do i do that then?
[06:44] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: did smb:// work for amaroK streaming by chance?
[06:45] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: ? best i could figure was i went to the share folder itself and did an open with amaroK. it opens then closes amarok
[06:45] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: i read though to mount the drive to a folder and it'll work, so i'm doing that now
[06:45] <hastesaver> eddy_o, read the RootSudo page. In short, "running something as root" ~ "running it with sudo".
[06:46] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce: ah
[06:47] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/737380   < Does anyone see why DRI wouldnt be working? It appears to be loaded and finds dev/dri
[06:49] <eddy_o> its all gibberish
[06:49] <eddy_o> i cant understand it :'(
[06:50] <MasterEvilAce> that's cause it's the european alphabet
[06:50] <XVampireX> Woot
[06:50] <eddy_o> :s
[06:50] <eddy_o> erm
[06:50] <dracflamloc> ok i got it
[06:50] <eddy_o> http://linux.ncl.ac.uk/vpn/
[06:50] <dracflamloc> somehow
[06:50] <dracflamloc> =P
[06:51] <KDEfanboy> yay!
[06:51] <eddy_o> can someone show me how i am to do this
[06:51] <XVampireX> You can become root through running the command: sudo su
[06:51] <eddy_o> step by step?
[06:53] <eddy_o> :/
[06:53] <eddy_o> wheres the command line?
[06:53] <zambba> Open Konsole
[06:53] <HymnToLife> !cli
[06:53] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> eddy_o: If you need to be root you can just press session new root shell from konsole
[06:55] <aitor> hi
[06:56] <aitor> would you recommend me to upgrade from breezy to dapper or to wait the remaining 2 weeks?
[06:56] <eddy_o> ohhh
[06:57] <antx> well 2 weeks, I think you can survive this...
[06:59] <eddy_o> erm
[06:59] <eddy_o> it sayd command not found
[06:59] <eddy_o> *said
[07:00] <pipe> Kubuntu spanish????
[07:00] <hastesaver> !es
[07:00] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:00] <pipe> ok
[07:02] <KDEfanboy> hehe, nice
[07:05] <XVampireX> WOW! Piracy law enforced in europe I hear, that's good for the Free Software world!
[07:06] <klerfayt> XVampireX: piracy law?
[07:06] <XVampireX> anti-piracy
[07:06] <OdyX> XVampireX: URL ?
[07:07] <XVampireX> no URL but a friend of mine told me
[07:07] <XVampireX> some 10k people arrested
[07:07] <OdyX> !?
[07:07] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, OdyX
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> 10,000?
[07:09] <XVampireX> "btw, there's a new law in europe" "that is kinda freaky" "10000 people were already arrested for that" "yeah there are people that sit and watch u downloading illegal stuff" "then they use your IP to figure out who u are" "and then the police comes and arrests u"
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> like a huge piracy ring
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> or a bunch of nobodys?
[07:09] <eddy_o> tarball pptp-1.7.0.tar.gz
[07:09] <eddy_o> src.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.src.rpm
[07:09] <eddy_o> i386.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.i386.rpm
[07:09] <eddy_o> x86_64.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm
[07:09] <eddy_o> which one do i want?
[07:09] <XVampireX> i386
[07:09] <XVampireX> but
[07:09] <eddy_o> i have no idea how to extract this stuff
[07:09] <XVampireX> What system are you using?
[07:09] <XVampireX> and
[07:09] <XVampireX> You don't want either one of them if there is a deb package
[07:09] <XVampireX> RPM is not for ubuntu/kubuntu
[07:09] <MasterEvilAce> rpm -ivh blah.rpm
[07:10] <eddy_o> linux
[07:10] <eddy_o> kubuntu breezy
[07:10] <MasterEvilAce> Dapper is a cooler codename than breezy
[07:11] <XVampireX> Ah, I'd suggest you compile it then
[07:11] <XVampireX> Get tarball
[07:11] <hastesaver> eddy_o, check the repos first (apt-cache search pptp)
[07:11] <XVampireX> Yeah
[07:11] <I_Eat_Plastic> I'm trying to install kubuntu on my laptop. It's stuck at "Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel.".. Is it actually doing anything? I'm not getting any output. Ubuntu is already installed on it, and installed fine.
[07:11] <hastesaver> eddy_o, there are at least three packages that might do what you want
[07:12] <XVampireX> It's there
[07:13] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: I've had similar problems, you need to go to grub
[07:14] <I_Eat_Plastic> XVampireX thanks.
[07:14] <XVampireX> And use earlier kernel
[07:14] <XVampireX> Latest kernel seems to be faulty
[07:15] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: If you notice during the startup it doesn't mount root file system
[07:16] <knanand> hi all
[07:16] <HymnToLife> [19:15]  <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: If you notice during the startup it doesn't mount root file system <= now THAT's an annoying bug
[07:16] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[07:16] <MasterEvilAce> yeah that would be
[07:16] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: So it is stuck in the place where you said
[07:17] <knanand> How can i install kdm instead of gdm??
[07:17] <XVampireX> Here's the article the one who told me about the anti-piracy law
[07:17] <XVampireX> http://www.e-recht24.de/artikel/urheberrecht/72.html
[07:17] <XVampireX> use babelfish for translation
[07:18] <I_Eat_Plastic> XVampireX: Yeah, I'll see about manualy installing it.
[07:18] <knanand> how to install KDM???
[07:18] <eddy_o> wha?
[07:18] <HymnToLife> knanand> youmean KDE ?
[07:18] <eddy_o> 17:25]  <XVampireX> Ah, I'd suggest you compile it then
[07:18] <eddy_o> [17:25]  <XVampireX> Get tarball
[07:18] <eddy_o> [17:25]  <hastesaver> eddy_o, check the repos first (apt-cache search pptp)
[07:18] <eddy_o> [17:25]  <XVampireX> Yeah
[07:18] <eddy_o> no idea what u guys r saying
[07:19] <eddy_o> ok how do u open a tarball on linux?
[07:19] <hastesaver> eddy_o, type "apt-cache search pptp"
[07:19] <XVampireX> eddy
[07:19] <XVampireX> do
[07:19] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install pptp
[07:19] <hastesaver> eddy_o, drop the tarball, untill you're very sure there's no other way :)
[07:19] <XVampireX> wait
[07:19] <MasterEvilAce> eddy do jumping jacks
[07:19] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install pptp-linux
[07:19] <knanand> HymnToLife:  i mean K Login manager (wat ever its called)
[07:20] <XVampireX> knanand: That's KDM, and what is the problem with it?
[07:20] <HymnToLife> knanand> isn't it enabled by defaut if you run KDE ?
[07:20] <XVampireX> Yeah, it's enabled by default :P
[07:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> Anyone know what packages I must unintall to rid of gnome?
[07:20] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: yeah
[07:20] <HymnToLife> I_Eat_Plastic> hmm nautilus ?
[07:21] <eddy_o> huh?
[07:21] <XVampireX> Wait
[07:21] <eddy_o> AAAAAH
[07:21] <eddy_o> i still have no idea
[07:21] <HymnToLife> !caps
[07:21] <ubotu> FYI, typing in ALL CAPS is considered to be 'yelling', and therefore rude behaviour.
[07:21] <knanand> i am not able to shut-down or restart.. i can only log-off...
[07:21] <eddy_o> ok, say i dl the tarball, move it to my pc
[07:21] <I_Eat_Plastic> Heh, thanks.
[07:21] <eddy_o> i have it on the desktop, what do i do
[07:21] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: libgnome2-0
[07:21] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> don't dl the tarball unless you sure there's no other way, what are you trying to install ?
[07:21] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get remove libgnome2-0
[07:22] <XVampireX> It will uninstall most things gnome
[07:22] <HymnToLife> I remember messing my GNOME up once when trying to remove the useless evolutions
[07:22] <knanand> HymnToLife: i am not able to shut-down or restart.. i can only log-off...
[07:22] <HymnToLife> evolution*
[07:22] <I_Eat_Plastic> XVampireX: Thanks
[07:22] <HymnToLife> lnan
[07:23] <XVampireX> I_Eat_Plastic: No problems
[07:23] <HymnToLife> knanand* what happens when you try to reboot ?
[07:23] <eddy_o> hymn its a pptp thing
[07:23] <HymnToLife> !info pptp
[07:23] <knanand> HymnToLife:  there is only one button "End Current Session"
[07:24] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> did you search for it in the repos ?
[07:24] <eddy_o> i know i gotta get this thing on my pc
[07:24] <eddy_o> right
[07:24] <eddy_o> but its in a tarball pptp-1.7.0.tar.gz
[07:24] <eddy_o> src.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.src.rpm
[07:24] <eddy_o> i386.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.i386.rpm
[07:24] <eddy_o> x86_64.rpm pptp-1.7.0-1.x86_64.rpm
[07:25] <eddy_o> or one of them
[07:25] <eddy_o> and i need it on my pc
[07:25] <eddy_o> how do i install it?
[07:26] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> you have lots of pptp packages in the repos
[07:26] <HymnToLife> !info pptpd
[07:26] <ubotu> pptpd: (PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-4 (breezy), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 248 kB
[07:28] <knanand> HymnToLife: there is only one button "End Current Session"
[07:28] <HymnToLife> knanand> I read it the first time, and I have no idea about it sorry
[07:29] <eddy_o> huh?
[07:29] <eddy_o> where do i get that from?
[07:30] <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install packagename
[07:30] <knanand> HymnToLife: i have recently upgraded from ubuntu.. do you know wer to change the Login Manager... wer de settings are stored..??
[07:30] <_unclemo> spanish?
[07:30] <HymnToLife> !es
[07:30] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:30] <Kejk_PL> knanand: install kdm
[07:30] <knanand> HymnToLife:  how
[07:31] <I_Eat_Plastic> !de
[07:31] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu oder Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de oder #edubuntu-de
[07:31] <eddy_o> [17:43]  <HymnToLife> sudo apt-get install packagename <--- i dont need to dl anything?
[07:31] <HymnToLife> knanand> sudo apt-get install kdm I guess
[07:31] <Kejk_PL> knanand: aptitude install kdm
[07:31] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> it will automagically download and install it
[07:32] <eddy_o> not if i need pptp to connect to the onternet :p
[07:32] <eddy_o> internet
[07:32] <KDEfanboy> heh
[07:32] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> hold on a sec
[07:32] <eddy_o> il have to download SOMETHING and move it to my pc... (this isnt the linux pc
[07:32] <eddy_o> )
[07:33] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> you can download the PPTP client from here : http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/net/pptp-linux
[07:34] <HymnToLife> then move it to your linux pc and run        sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:34] <eddy_o> my uni linked me to this -> http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/#download
[07:36] <HymnToLife> It tells you tu use any distro specific stuff instead of that one
[07:36] <HymnToLife> !pptp
[07:36] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[07:36] <HymnToLife> I guess the Ubuntu-thing to use PPTP is the one I sent you
[07:36] <eddy_o> what u mean?
[07:36] <eddy_o> im on kubunt
[07:37] <slow-motion> re
[07:37] <eddy_o> u
[07:37] <eddy_o> erm
[07:37] <eddy_o> i want the amd64 one?
[07:37] <HymnToLife> I mean that the link you gave is a relatively generalist thing, there are specific - and easier - ways for each distro
[07:37] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> depends on which version you installed
[07:37] <eddy_o> right
[07:37] <eddy_o> kubuntu :p
[07:38] <HymnToLife> Ubuntu and Kubuntu use the same packages, go for it :)
[07:38] <eddy_o> right
[07:38] <eddy_o> which thing do i wana click on?
[07:38] <HymnToLife> click on "amd64", it will give you a list of mirror to download the package
[07:39] <eddy_o> right
[07:39] <eddy_o> i have a .deb
[07:39] <eddy_o> what do i do with it?
[07:40] <HymnToLife> eddy_o> copy it to the other pc
[07:40] <eddy_o> then what?
[07:40] <HymnToLife> and run sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:41] <eddy_o> how do i run that
[07:43] <eddy_o> ?
[07:43] <eddy_o> on the root thing?
[07:46] <KDEfanboy> yep
[07:50] <eddy_o> kool
[07:55] <eddy_o> um
[07:56] <eddy_o> can someone scroll up and paste me the command i got instructed to use?
[07:56] <eddy_o> please
[07:56] <abattoir> eddy_o: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[07:56] <KDEfanboy> heh
[07:56] <eddy_o> -i?
[07:57] <abattoir> yes, that's 'install' i guess
[07:59] <eddy_o> it says no such directory
[07:59] <eddy_o> where does the file need to be?
[07:59] <Monkee13> how would I setuid root for my screen saver?
[08:00] <abattoir> eddy_o: the file can be anywhere...
[08:00] <abattoir> but you need to change the directory...
[08:00] <eddy_o> but i did tat command..
[08:00] <eddy_o> what do?
[08:00] <abattoir> try 'cd /path/to/file'
[08:00] <eddy_o> huh?
[08:00] <abattoir> sorry '/path/to/dir'
[08:00] <abattoir> where is the file?
[08:00] <eddy_o> on the desktop
[08:01] <abattoir> ok, so type 'cd Desktop'
[08:01] <abattoir> w/o the quotes :)
[08:01] <eddy_o> k
[08:01] <abattoir> the prompt should have changed now
[08:01] <abattoir> has it?
[08:01] <eddy_o> no such file or directory
[08:01] <eddy_o> :/
[08:02] <abattoir> are you in your home directory?
[08:02] <eddy_o> yeah
[08:03] <abattoir> try the command ls
[08:04] <abattoir> ok sorry, type 'cd ~/Desktop'
[08:04] <abattoir> am really sleepy here :(
[08:04] <eddy_o> its ok :)
[08:04] <abattoir> does that work?
[08:04] <eddy_o> no such file or directory...
[08:05] <eddy_o> :/
[08:05] <XVampireX> abattoir: same here
[08:05] <XVampireX> I mean, I'm also sleepy :P
[08:05] <eddy_o> its on the desktop.. i dunno argh
[08:05] <abattoir> eddy_o doesnt the graphical installer work?
[08:05] <eddy_o> the what now?
[08:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[08:05] <abattoir> i.e right click on the file-> Install package?
[08:05] <eddy_o> u mean clicking on it?
[08:05] <eddy_o> no it kinda doesnt
[08:06] <abattoir> XVampireX: :) , i also have a flight to catch in the morning ;)
[08:06] <macd> right-click --> then select install package
[08:06] <macd> dont double click it ;)
[08:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody here is experienced with ATI multiple desktop?
[08:07] <eddy_o> ah
[08:07] <antx> desktops? or do you mean screens?
[08:07] <eddy_o> it says it wants an i386
[08:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yes
[08:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> screens
[08:08] <eddy_o> so i dl the i386?
[08:08] <XVampireX> weeeeeee :D
[08:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> they look as separate kde desktop, with the only difference i can navigate from one to the other
[08:08] <abattoir> eddy_o: what processor?
[08:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> so somebody knows about it? i have something to ask
[08:08] <klerfayt> why is it so that if I want to remove katapult I have to also remove "kubuntu-desktop" ?
[08:08] <abattoir> eddy_o: also, what is the output of 'uname -r' ?
[08:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> klerfayt: the latter is only a meta-package
[08:09] <MasterEvilAce> trying to mount on boot, but it's root-only... so it's not working very well. any ideas?
[08:09] <eddy_o> i have an amd64
[08:09] <Tallia1Kubuntu> that is, depends from a list of package that a user that want to install kubuntu in his desktop version, is likely to install
[08:09] <abattoir> eddy_o: and the output of 'uname -r' ?
[08:10] <antx> well, I have a 2nd screen attached to my notebook, but I can only use one at a time...
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you decide to install that one, the system have to install all the dependancies..
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: meh, i can use both of them
[08:10] <klerfayt> Tallia1Kubuntu: is doesn't mean that I'll loose something else?
[08:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> klerfayt: nope
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> klerfayt: for sure!! :)
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if you see in details -> installed files, you will see.. .it's empty!
[08:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: when xorg starts, two different kde systems are istantiated
[08:12] <antx> when I detach the CRT-screen my notebook screen is used, otherwise only the CRT is used and I can not change this in the settings...
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: with the particularity that i can move from one to the other
[08:12] <eddy_o> it said package (amd64) does not match system (i386)
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, do you have an ATI?
[08:12] <eddy_o> whats uname -r?
[08:12] <antx> yes
[08:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, do you have ATI propetary drivers?
[08:12] <abattoir> eddy_o: its a command which tells which kernel you are using
[08:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ( installed i mean :P )
[08:13] <antx> ati mobility radeon 9700
[08:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: ? the drivers?
[08:13] <eddy_o> right
[08:13] <eddy_o> erm
[08:14] <abattoir> eddy_o: you can install both 32-bit Operating Systems(x86,i386) and 64-bit Operating systems(amd64,x86_64) on an AMD 64 processor.
[08:14] <antx> I use the drivers that came with the Kbuntu DVD. the propritary ones were too hard to install
[08:14] <abattoir> eddy_o: i suspect you have installed the 32-bit version, i386
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, you shoulda check now!! they are in the Repositories, they are supereasy to install
[08:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, let me give you this link
[08:14] <abattoir> eddy_o: that's why i want to know the output of uname-r
[08:15] <eddy_o> ern
[08:15] <abattoir> sorry, uname -r
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, jump over the part that regards compilation, and go to the packaged driver part :)
[08:15] <eddy_o> 2.6.12-9-386
[08:15] <antx> I have kubuntu 5.1 and I tried only 3 weeks ago
[08:15] <abattoir> eddy_o: yes, as i suspected...
[08:15] <eddy_o> what happened
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: my FPS went up of 20x
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, i see :)
[08:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's very easy to set them on
[08:15] <abattoir> even though you have an amd64 processor, you have installed a 32-bit operating system
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the only annoying thing is the xorg.conf file..
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i can give you an hand
[08:16] <antx> I can imagine they are faster...
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you can copy and paste
[08:16] <abattoir> eddy_o: if you want to use a 64-bit OS, amd64, you should have installed from a different CD
[08:16] <eddy_o> yeah ofc i did
[08:16] <eddy_o> i have both
[08:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[08:16] <eddy_o> but i put the 32 on cs 64 is buggy
[08:16] <eddy_o> well didgy
[08:16] <eddy_o> dodgy
[08:17] <eddy_o> so what do i do about it?
[08:17] <eddy_o> i dont want a 64 bit OS
[08:17] <eddy_o> i just want this 32 bit one and i wana get  this bastard program running
[08:18] <Tallia1Kubuntu> antx, do you want to try?
[08:18] <abattoir> eddy_o: then you should install the i386 version of the package
[08:18] <abattoir> not the amd64 version
[08:18] <eddy_o> so
[08:18] <eddy_o> i got the i386 thing
[08:18] <eddy_o> but it doesnt like it
[08:18] <eddy_o> there isnt an install thing on the right click
[08:19] <abattoir> eddy_o: what is the name of the package... exactly?
[08:19] <eddy_o> pptp-1.7.0-1.i386.rpm
[08:19] <nico8481> :))
[08:21] <abattoir> eddy_o: there is not Install package submenu under Actions?
[08:21] <wimpies> how do I enable xv on an ATI fglrx board ?
[08:21] <antx> erm... I think I just stick with the drivers that I have... All that stuff looks so hacked together, at least I have something now... I just hope one day all this will be easier...
[08:21] <abattoir> eddy_o: huh, back to the command line then :(
[08:21] <eddy_o> no
[08:21] <eddy_o> i guess
[08:21] <eddy_o> sec
[08:21] <abattoir> eddy_o: funny cd ~/Desktop doesnt work
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> Booting without root (or sudo)... how?
[08:21] <dereks> what is with everyone command line phobia
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> ER
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> not booting
[08:21] <MasterEvilAce> mounting
[08:22] <hastesaver> abattoir, what do you mean it doesn't work?
[08:22] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:22] <abattoir> hastesaver: eddy_o says it gives him no such file or directory
[08:22] <hastesaver> eddy_o, did you type *exactly* "cd ~/Desktop" (without the quotes)? And as normal user, not as root?
[08:25] <eddy_o> i moved the file into my personal files
[08:25] <eddy_o> it recognises it now but i stoill get an error
[08:25] <eddy_o> saying it is not debian or something
[08:25] <abattoir> eddy_o: the exact output might be helpful. :)
[08:25] <eddy_o> sigh.. itl take ages
[08:25] <abattoir> if it is long, you can post it at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[08:26] <abattoir> eddy_o: aargh... my mistake
[08:26] <abattoir> you seem to be installing an rmp
[08:26] <abattoir> rpm
[08:26] <abattoir> you should install a .deb
[08:26] <abattoir> where did you get the file?
[08:27] <hastesaver> eddy_o, make sure you're not running it as root. (You were the one asking for the root password a little while ago?)
[08:27] <abattoir> you should have got it from an ubuntu mirror
[08:27] <abattoir> hastesaver: he is trying to install an rpm
[08:28] <eddy_o> yeah im running it as root
[08:29] <eddy_o> subprocess bpkg-deb --control returned error exit status 2
[08:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu_> somebody here is experienced with ATI propetary drivers - multiple screens?
[08:29] <abattoir> eddy_o: you are running breezy right?
[08:29] <eddy_o> yeah
[08:29] <abattoir> one sec, i'll try to find you the package
[08:30] <eddy_o> thx :)
[08:32] <MasterEvilAce> omg DIE LINUX
[08:32] <eddy_o> ...
[08:32] <eddy_o> ?
[08:32] <MasterEvilAce> i can't mount a damn folder without root
[08:32] <abattoir> eddy_o: one sec...
[08:32] <abattoir> there are 2 packages
[08:32] <abattoir> pptpd and pptp-linux
[08:33] <abattoir> they also seem to have dependencies
[08:33] <abattoir> eddy_o: i am sorry if you have answered this earlier
[08:33] <abattoir> why dont you install it through
[08:33] <abattoir> adept?
[08:33] <eddy_o> adept?
[08:33] <abattoir> eddy_o: that is kubuntu's package manager
[08:34] <eddy_o> uh...
[08:34] <eddy_o> never heard of it
[08:34] <eddy_o> all i knew about linux was the name before today
[08:34] <abattoir> Alt+F2 -> adept
[08:34] <eddy_o> remember that :(
[08:34] <eddy_o> ok
[08:34] <dickhall> it's also under the system tab in your K menu
[08:34] <ossosso> hi everyone!
[08:35] <dickhall> or Alt-Space -> Adept if you've got katapult going
[08:35] <MasterEvilAce> Help mount without root
[08:35] <MasterEvilAce> Help mount without root
[08:35] <ossosso> I've yet installed this packets: kubuntu-desktop and Kde (previously I had Ubuntu)
[08:35] <ossosso> now all seems to work.. but it's all in english :) can I translate it in Italian?
[08:36] <abattoir> eddy_o: has adept been launched?
[08:36] <eddy_o> nothing happened/...
[08:36] <abattoir> ok sorry, click the Kmenu button....
[08:36] <hastesaver> MasterEvilAce, you usually mount filesystems, not single folders... what exactly are you trying? Maybe it's not to do with mounting at all...
[08:36] <eddy_o> ok what do i do once adept is launched
[08:36] <eddy_o> i launched it dw
[08:37] <abattoir> oh ok cool
[08:37] <abattoir> now in searchbar, type pptp
[08:37] <eddy_o> okies
[08:37] <dickhall> ossosso: Kmenu->System Settings->Regional and Accessibility->Country Region and Language
[08:37] <abattoir> there are 2 packages
[08:37] <abattoir> eddy_o: i think you should install both
[08:37] <ossosso> thanks dickhall!
[08:38] <dickhall> no prob
[08:38] <dickhall> never heard of linux and you're trying to get pptp going? ambitious :)
[08:38] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: basically trying to get amaroK to stream my networked music. someone said they mounted it and got it to work.. which is possible.. and they mentioned mounting it at startup. but you can't mount period unless you have root
[08:38] <DevGet> I have problems with gmail's smtp in kmail
[08:38] <eddy_o> yay
[08:39] <hastesaver> MasterEvilAce, yes, that's true. If you don't have root access, get the admin user to do it for you
[08:39] <eddy_o> it found it, i clicked intsall and now its supposedly installed
[08:39] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: I am the admin user
[08:39] <abattoir> eddy_o: sorry, i just picked up the conversation in the middle, else would have pointed to adept ages ago :)
[08:39] <eddy_o> it found one anyway
[08:39] <eddy_o> its ok :)
[08:39] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: well whatever.. i just need amarok to play networked music :(
[08:39] <DevGet> I have set server to smtp.gmail.com, port to 465, SSL, and PLAIN
[08:39] <hastesaver> MasterEvilAce, then you can do it with "sudo"
[08:39] <eddy_o> so now i have it "installed"
[08:39] <eddy_o> how do i run it?
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: yeah, but i'd like it to automount at startup, though.
[08:40] <abattoir> eddy_o: sorry i have no clue about that... :(
[08:40] <abattoir> try pptpd
[08:40] <eddy_o> bugger
[08:40] <abattoir> in the ocmmand line
[08:40] <eddy_o> ok
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> hastesaver: i'm only even mounting it because i don't know of any other way. so i prefer not to mount at all, heh
[08:40] <hastesaver> !automount
[08:40] <ubotu> hastesaver: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:41] <ossosso> dickhall?
[08:41] <dickhall> yo?
[08:41] <ossosso> under Languages there's only English
[08:42] <dickhall> hrm, just noticed that too
[08:42] <ossosso>  :)
[08:42] <ossosso> and now?
[08:42] <dickhall> try installing the "kde-i18n-it" package
[08:43] <ossosso> ok.. can you tell me where's the Synaptic link?
[08:43] <ossosso> I don't know this interface..
[08:43] <dickhall> just a guess. I haven't done any i18n stuff as I'm a native (and exclusive) english speaker
[08:43] <eddy_o> urgh
[08:43] <dickhall> what version of Kubuntu / KDE are you running?
[08:43] <dickhall> I always use adept
[08:44] <ossosso> probalby the last..
[08:44] <ossosso> I've update kubuntu from ubuntu
[08:44] <dickhall> ah, fair enough
[08:44] <ossosso> fair?
[08:44] <ossosso> do you mean old?
[08:44] <abattoir> eddy_o: what happened?
[08:44] <abattoir> command not found?
[08:44] <dickhall> no, that's just a figure of speech
[08:44] <ossosso> ah ok..
[08:45] <eddy_o> i dunno how to run it
[08:45] <ossosso> so.. where can I obtein that package?
[08:45] <abattoir> eddy_o: did you try 'pptpd' in the command line?
[08:45] <dickhall> okay, I don't know where synaptic is... you can try doing Alt+F2 (which opens a "run" dialog in kde) then typing "synaptic"
[08:46] <dickhall> (synaptic isn't included with Kubuntu by default)
[08:46] <dickhall> if that doesn't work, try running Adept, which is the KDE front-end
[08:46] <dickhall> package manager, that is
[08:47] <ossosso> haven't you kubuntu?
[08:47] <dickhall> I do have kubuntu
[08:47] <dickhall> but synaptic is not a kubuntu program
[08:47] <ossosso> ah
[08:47] <ossosso> and how do you istall packages?
[08:47] <dickhall> Adept
[08:48] <ossosso> it's the same?
[08:48] <dickhall> don't know, I've never used synaptic
[08:48] <ossosso> ok
[08:48] <dickhall> similar, probably. it's very easy to use
[08:49] <dickhall> get it working?
[08:49] <eddy_o> no
[08:49] <ossosso> under System---Language Selector
[08:49] <eddy_o> lol
[08:50] <ossosso> I can choose a language..
[08:50] <ossosso> "Italian" is yet checked...
[08:50] <eddy_o> can anyone help me run pptp-linux?
[08:50] <dickhall> yet checked?
[08:50] <eddy_o> apparently i have to configure it but i have no idea how to
[08:50] <ossosso> but it doesn't appera under Country\Region Language
[08:50] <ossosso> yes
[08:50] <eddy_o> ?
[08:51] <dickhall> is it in the Add Language menu?
[08:51] <ossosso> yes.. there's a lot of language
[08:51] <abattoir> eddy_o: maybe http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=configure+pptp-linux&btnG=Search
[08:51] <ossosso> the most unchecked, but italian is checked
[08:51] <ossosso> maybe I have to reboot
[08:51] <milian_> Hi there, what do I have to do if I want to use the php mail() function? It returnes true but no mails are sent...
[08:51] <ossosso> I don't know..
[08:52] <milian_> I read something about postfix, where can I find the postfix log ?
[08:52] <ossosso> dickhall, can you tell where's Adept link?
[08:52] <dickhall> milian_: look in /var/log
[08:53] <dickhall> ossosso: Click the K in the lower left corner, and it's in the system menu
[08:53] <dickhall> ossosso: when you say that italian is checked, is that in the system settings or in adept?
[08:53] <milian_> dickhall: thanks, I looked for something like postfix but it is named "mail.log" ...
[08:54] <ossosso> system setting
[08:54] <eddy_o> how do i start config for a package i just installed on linux?
[08:54] <dickhall> milian_: yep, mail.log
[08:55] <dickhall> ossosso: okay, well, if you apply that and it says that italian is selected, it says that it only affects newly started programs
[08:55] <dickhall> so, try starting a new program and seeing if it's in italian
[08:55] <dickhall> you need to logout and log back in to get everything in italian
[08:56] <ossosso> ok.. I try againg..
[08:59] <ossosso> dickhall?
[08:59] <ossosso> all in English :)
[08:59] <dickhall> :(
[08:59] <ossosso> ok ok... step by step..
[09:00] <ossosso> which my first step?
[09:00] <dickhall> Open adept, make sure the package "kde-i18n-it" is installed
[09:00] <ossosso> ok. wait..
[09:00] <dickhall> sure
[09:01] <GaiaX11> When I turn on the PC what can i do not to restore the previous session in kubuntu?
[09:01] <ossosso> it says "not istalled"
[09:02] <RadiantFire> GaiaX11: select default session from the menu tab in KDM
[09:02] <RadiantFire> instead of last session
[09:02] <ossosso> I made Rightclick and "install"
[09:02] <dickhall> ah. there's your problem :)
[09:02] <dickhall> okay, then you need to "Commit"
[09:02] <ossosso> now?
[09:02] <ossosso> commit?
[09:03] <dickhall> with adept, you can "preview changes", which shows which packages will be installed, and you can "commit changes" which actually installs the package
[09:03] <abattoir> GaiaX11: or you can start with an empty session w/ Session Manager
[09:03] <dickhall> "Commit Changes" is a button near the top of the Adept window, it has a green checkmark on it
[09:03] <dickhall> see it?
[09:03] <ossosso> yes but...
[09:04] <ossosso> under the package there's a button "Installa Package"
[09:04] <sonic> Anybody know how to crack a protected M$ access db file?
[09:04] <ossosso> I press it before you said of Commit Changes
[09:04] <dickhall> yes, that's correct
[09:04] <antx> that only marks it for installation
[09:04] <dickhall> "Install Package" really means "Add this package to the list of packages to install"
[09:04] <dickhall> it doesn't actually DO anything until you hit Commit
[09:04] <antx> commit is what it then really installs it
[09:05] <ossosso> but now all is blocked :(
[09:05] <dickhall> that's handy if you want to install, say, 100 packages at a time
[09:05] <dickhall> blocked? how so?
[09:05] <ossosso> just when I clicked on that button..
[09:05] <ossosso> d'oh!
[09:05] <dickhall> on commit? it should be downloading and installing the package
[09:06] <GaiaX11> RadiantFire, abattoir - thanks very much!
[09:07] <abattoir> GaiaX11: no problem :)
[09:07] <ossosso> ok it's downloading.
[09:07] <dickhall> :)
[09:08] <ossosso> which difference between the various System--->Package Menagement?
[09:08] <dickhall> do you mean Adept, Synaptic, etc.?
[09:08] <ossosso> (adept - kpackage.. and so on)
[09:09] <ossosso> yes I've four Package Menagement..
[09:09] <ossosso> Add Application - Adept - kpacakge - Syaptic
[09:09] <ossosso> everyone has different applications?
[09:09] <dickhall> I think Kpackage manages things other than (k)ubuntu packages
[09:10] <ossosso> under Adept can I do a research for package that interest to me?
[09:10] <dickhall> but Ubuntu and Kubuntu want to be easy, so they have easy tools like Adept
[09:10] <dickhall> yes, there's a search field
[09:10] <ossosso> or have I to know the precise name?
[09:10] <dickhall> and you can narrow it down to the type of application you want
[09:10] <ossosso> good..
[09:11] <ossosso> and when I check an application.. it automatically check for me the necessary package?
[09:11] <dickhall> yes
[09:11] <dickhall> to see what it's going to install, you use the "Preview Changes" button
[09:11] <dickhall> that will show you every package that will be installed if you press "Commit Changes"
[09:11] <ossosso> ok
[09:11] <ossosso> installed..
[09:11] <ossosso> now?
[09:12] <ossosso> I return under Country\Region...?
[09:12] <dickhall> yes
[09:12] <ossosso> I don't remember the path :P
[09:13] <dickhall> KMenu -> System Settings -> Regional and Accessibility :)
[09:14] <ossosso> ok .. I've added Italiano
[09:14] <ossosso> now I log out
[09:15] <dickhall> :)
[09:18] <ossosso> dickhall..
[09:18] <GaiaX11> I did not like the system configuration view of kubuntu. And it does not give me other view options! They decided for us. Linux is freedom! Isn't it?
[09:18] <ossosso> all wokrs :)
[09:18] <ossosso> grazie mille
[09:18] <dickhall> :)
[09:18] <dickhall> good to hear
[09:18] <ossosso> just the last thing
[09:19] <ossosso> kubuntu controls update automatically?
[09:19] <dickhall> do you mean, does the system automatically update itself?
[09:19] <hastesaver> GaiaX11, you can change everything :)
[09:19] <ossosso> no.. that it's advert me when I'va to donwload updats..
[09:20] <dickhall> no, it won't do that
[09:20] <ossosso> oh...
[09:20] <ossosso> where can I control updates?
[09:20] <dickhall> but what you can do, once a day or once a week or whatever you want, is open adept, click "fetch updates", and click "full upgrade"
[09:20] <dickhall> that will mark every package to be updated
[09:20] <GaiaX11> So, how to change the system configuration view?
[09:21] <ossosso> oooook
[09:21] <GaiaX11> hastesaver, So, how to change the system configuration view?
[09:21] <dickhall> you can then go into the "Preview Changes" menu to see exactly what is being upgraded
[09:21] <ossosso> thanks again
[09:22] <dickhall> so, say you wanted to upgrade everything except "Program X". You would go Fetch Updates -> Full Update -> Preview Changes, remove Program X, then click Commit
[09:22] <dickhall> okay, it's lunch time, I have to go. Hope that helps
[09:22] <hastesaver> GaiaX11, I don't know -- I don't even know what the "system configuration view" is. If it's just a GUI thing, then I really don't know how to change how it looks. Look in Edit->Preferences or View, or something.
[09:22] <ossosso> sure
[09:22] <ossosso> good lunch
[09:27] <ossosso> hi
[09:28] <ossosso> I noticed that Skype appears also for linux.. instead download it form the website.. does it appear under the Adept?
[09:32] <GaiaX11> hastesaver, I will try anyway. Thks
[09:36] <abattoir> ossosso: i dont think so, i.e it'd not be in the ubuntu repositories
[09:36] <ossosso> d'oh!
[09:36] <ossosso> ok thank you
[09:36] <abattoir> however, if you do install the .deb skype package, it will show up in adept as an installed package
[09:37] <esben> I'm working on switching to Kubuntu :) Just one thing left, I hope someone can help me here.
[09:37] <esben> A tale in the desert (a game) wants a so: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[09:37] <esben> Anyone know where to find that?
[09:38] <esben> It might be something from the gcc 2.96x days :/
[09:39] <NoUse> esben you might try searching http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:40] <h3sp4wn> esben: You may want to try running it from a chroot of debian woody
[09:42] <graft> hey, why doesn't kaffeine play any audio for me?
[09:42] <graft> it just says 'there were no decoders found to handle the stream'
[09:43] <esben> graft: What sort of audiofiles are you trying to play?
[09:43] <graft> just some mp3
[09:43] <graft> or no
[09:43] <graft> a wav rather
[09:43] <esben> mp3 woudl probably need some mp3 decoder installed. Wav... that is just strange :/
[09:44] <macd> !restrictedformats
[09:44] <ubotu> [restrictedformats]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:44] <graft> i've got the appropriate mad lib installed anyway, i can decode mp3s fine in amarok
[09:47] <graft> no ideas? anyone got kaffeine working at all?
[09:48] <chavo> graft, kaffeine works here
[09:48] <graft> using which, gstreamer or xine?
[09:49] <chavo> xine
[09:53] <da_fat_thing> hi
[09:58] <borut> hi all
[09:58] <borut> can anyone help me with installing mp3 codec
[09:59] <Blissex> !restricted
[09:59] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:59] <Blissex> !mp3
[09:59] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:59] <borut> tenks
[10:00] <|evilelf|> "thanks"
[10:07] <wimpies> anybody around that has a working fglrx ati dapper system using XVideo ?
[10:21] <dergringo> is the aircrack-ng available for dapper?
[10:22] <Bazzi> no
[10:22] <Bazzi> but can be easily compiled from source
[10:23] <dergringo> Bazzi: ok, I don't like compiling because of updating, etc.
[10:23] <Bazzi> yeah but it has no dependencies, not even a configure, just make && make install :)
[10:24] <Bazzi> but I'd like to see that as a package as well
[10:24] <Bazzi> maybe something for edgy
[10:24] <Bazzi> if you have a launchpad account feel free to ask for it ;)
[10:25] <dergringo> Bazzi: I dont have
[10:25] <Bazzi> and I'm too lazy to get used to using launchpad
[10:26] <Bazzi> but ultimately I'd like to add packages myself
[10:26] <dergringo> Bazzi: http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=downloads I found a breezy package here
[10:29] <dergringo> Bazzi: I installed without any problems on dapper
[10:32] <RadiantFire> argh, silly hibernate
[10:32] <klerfayt> RadiantFire: dapper is missing boot option "suspend=..." or something like that - that's way you can't hibernate
[10:33] <Bazzi> dergringo: such things should be in universe though :)
[10:35] <dergringo> Bazzi: agree :) aircrack(-old) is in universe afaik
[10:35] <Hrrmschmr> H'lo..
[10:35] <Hrrmschmr> ..I have a question or two..
[10:36] <Bazzi> not w/ the tools unfortunately
[10:36] <Hrrmschmr> ..if there's anyone 'round.
[10:36] <Hrrmschmr> yay! maybe.
[10:36] <RadiantFire> klerfayt: naaa, it actually was suspend, my laptop autosuspends if its unplugged and left idle for 2 long
[10:36] <RadiantFire> its kind of frustrating
[10:36] <RadiantFire> I need to figure out how to turn it off
[10:36] <dom> go for it.  chatrooms have all the answers, Hrrmschmr
[10:36] <Hrrmschmr> ..trying 'kdesu kdar' doesn't work, nor does 'kdesu konqueror' -- it seems that anything I want to start as root doesn't work if it's an X application.
[10:37] <Hrrmschmr> Inevitably, they seem unable to connect to display <whatever>(:0, :1, :2)
[10:38] <Hrrmschmr> erh.
[10:38] <Hrrmschmr> "XInputExtension" missing on display ":2.0" ..etc.
[10:38] <dom> ?
[10:38] <hamburg> hi, on bootscreen all steps = ok, only: initialized modules = failed  ?
[10:38] <Hrrmschmr> ..this is vnc.
[10:39] <dom> Hrrmschmr, you want to VNC as a regular user and the use kdesu to launch an app as super-user?
[10:41] <Hrrmschmr> Yes.
[10:41] <Hrrmschmr> I have a VNC session up and running, and it works fine.
[10:41] <Hrrmschmr> ..I'm checking right now (having someone else check) to see if the same is true non-vnc.
[10:42] <dergringo> !mp3
[10:42] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:42] <dom> I was about to ask
[10:43] <dom> I've found VNC isn't the greatest of protocols but I haven't tried doing what you describe so I don't know what to expect for that
[10:43] <pinux> salout
[10:44] <pinux> lol 226 nick, et pas un mot ds que un pinux arrive hein !  :p
[10:48] <dom> it's a bit quiet, yets
[10:50] <GnarusLeo> hi, anyone know where my linux headers are located?D irectory containing linux kernel source code []   ?
[10:52] <Duffman> hi, does anyone know if the Kubuntu rc1 will be released today too?
[10:52] <dom> did you look in /usr/src/linux ?
[10:54] <RadiantFire> GnarusLeo: I think kernel headers are somewhere in /lib
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> /usr/src actually, but thanks
[10:55] <RadiantFire> headers are differen't than source though
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> is that why I get:
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/include/net/sock.h:992: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of csum_and_copy_from_user differ in signedness
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> ld: frag.o: No such file: No such file or directory
[10:55] <GnarusLeo> Failed to make module "cisco_ipsec".
[10:55] <RadiantFire> GnarusLeo: are you compilining kernel modules?
[10:56] <GnarusLeo> no, Im trying to install a cisco vpn client
[10:56] <RadiantFire> what does uname -a say your kernel is?
[10:56] <RadiantFire> oh, nm
[10:56] <GnarusLeo> gnaleo@tryodin:~/tempo/vpnclient$ uname -r
[10:56] <GnarusLeo> 2.6.12-10-386
[10:57] <RadiantFire> GnarusLeo: insteall linux-headers-386
[10:57] <RadiantFire> and try it again
[10:57] <GnarusLeo> ok, ty
[10:58] <GnarusLeo> still, the same
[10:59] <esben> h3sp4wn, NoUse: Thank you both. As it turns out, the application needed to have a setup script run to use the new libstdc++. No idea why I didn't think about that.
[10:59] <GnarusLeo> you think I am missing something RadiantFire ?
[11:00] <RadiantFire> i don't know
[11:00] <RadiantFire> same error?
[11:01] <RadiantFire> I don't know then
[11:01] <GnarusLeo> yep
[11:02] <nixternal> how come there isn't a kubuntu laptop testing community like there is for ubuntu?
[11:03] <RadiantFire> good question
[11:03] <sistema> Hola
[11:04] <nixternal> i have been testing dapper  on a laptop now for over a month...and everything is ubuntu
[11:04] <nixternal> there isn't much for kubuntu in the launchpad either and i wish there was...kind of makes supporting a little more difficult
[11:04] <RadiantFire> that is kind of annoying
[11:05] <[mX] > anyone know how to run an app in X as a different user? xhost doesn't appear to work..
[11:10] <RogueJediX> Does anyone have the rss-glx package installed? I can't get the screensavers to work
[11:13] <esben> Any AMD64 expects here? If I have an extra 32-bit .so file I want to get picked up by needing applications, where should I stuff it? I see no /usr/local/lib32
[11:16] <Riddell> topic diff: 6.06LTS Release Candidate out
[11:16] <Hrrmschmr> ohkee.
[11:16] <Hrrmschmr> Sorry.
[11:16] <Hrrmschmr> (I was talking to someone earlier and disappeared)
[11:17] <Hrrmschmr> Here's the deal:  It's only KDE programs that have this issue.
[11:17] <Hrrmschmr> kdesu nautilus makes a happy root nautilus window.
[11:17] <Hrrmschmr> kdesu kdar, konqueror, and such gets stuck.
[11:18] <Hrrmschmr> This is after an install of kubuntu dapper from flight 7.
[11:18] <Duffman> WooHoo!
[11:19] <Hrrmschmr> (and updating and all)
[11:19] <Hrrmschmr> ..is there any way to figure out what's keeping my kde programs from running as root when I kdesu?
[11:21] <Hrrmschmr> *poke*
[11:21] <Hrrmschmr> ?
[11:22] <esben> What if you simply sudo ?
[11:22] <Hrrmschmr> Same.
[11:22] <Hrrmschmr> well, output is slightly different if I remember correctly..
[11:23] <Hrrmschmr> Nope, output's essentially the same.
[11:24] <esben> what about sudo strace konqueror
[11:25] <Hrrmschmr> BTW, it gets to a certain point and freezes: It doesn't die.
[11:25] <Hrrmschmr> (unless ctrl-c'd)
[11:34] <m0ns00n> What happens when linux says: Booting the kernel. [freeze] 
[11:34] <m0ns00n> Tried command line disabling etc...
[11:34] <m0ns00n> disabling apic
[11:34] <m0ns00n> What's wrong?
[11:37] <micks> hello?
[11:37] <Hrrmschmr> Eh?
[11:38] <micks> well, i'm completely new to kubuntu
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> Ah.
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> Welcome.
[11:38] <micks> but i just don't know how to install for example firefox
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> ah.
[11:38] <Hrrmschmr> Go to the k menu..
[11:38] <micks> ok
[11:39] <RadiantFire> Menu -> System -> Adept (Package Manager)
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> ah.
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> thanks.
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> Hehe.
[11:39] <esben> m0ns00n: Try booting with acpi=off
[11:39] <esben> acpi is the trouble too often :/
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> K menu, system, adept (package manage) and install synaptic!  Heh.
[11:39] <RadiantFire> micks: if your feeling adventurous and know the name of what you can install, you can also type apt-get install <program name> in a terminal
[11:39] <Hrrmschmr> sorry.
[11:40] <RadiantFire> er, sudo apt-get install <pkg name>
[11:40] <micks> ok, i get a lot of help here, let's see
[11:40] <micks> it's just soooo much different than windows
[11:41] <Hrrmschmr> A nice thing to remember:  alt-spacebar.
[11:41] <esben> micks: When you have adept up and running, type "firefox" or whatever in the search bar
[11:42] <esben> that should narrow the number of packages down to a managable number :o)
[11:42] <hamburg> hi, how can i record sound from my hardware mixer with the line in ?
[11:42] <Hrrmschmr> you can run programs you know the name or description of, or if amarok (music player) is installed, you can play a specific song..
[11:42] <zblach> anyone know about ipod video and gtkpod?
[11:43] <micks> thanx
[11:44] <wimpies> guys, I am out of ideas with my screen resolution problem
[11:44] <RogueJediX> Can anyone here get the Really Slick Screensavers package (rss-glx) to work?
[11:44] <wimpies> Anybody have some time to help me with this ?
[11:44] <wimpies> It is a KDE problem I am sure but I do not know which
[11:44] <Hrrmschmr> micks:  I find it useful to hunt around on the web for a particular linux app 'til I find one I like,
[11:44] <Hrrmschmr> micks: and then install it from the package manager.
[11:45] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..as opposed to searching through the package manager.
[11:45] <micks> ok, and how to install it in the package manager?
[11:46] <Bilford> for a newbie,  Add/Remove Programs would be easier
[11:47] <davix> is there a program that can help me make and burn dvd movies?
[11:47] <Bilford> k3b
[11:48] <wimpies> is there a problem with OpenOffice2 packages ?
[11:48] <davix> does it makes divx become readable on dvd?
[11:48] <Hrrmschmr> not to my knowledge.
[11:49] <zblach> anyone know anything about gtkpod and ipod video?
[11:49] <m0ns00n> How can I make linux not look for apic?
[11:49] <m0ns00n> It freezes on ACPI: ..
[11:49] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : When I use ADEPT to install openOffice2 it shows BREAK ...
[11:49] <Hrrmschmr> Micks:  sorry, old computer, got real slow for a bit.
[11:49] <dereks> info 0 hillz25
[11:49] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: Have you done a recent apt-get update?
[11:49] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : yes I have
[11:51] <Hrrmschmr> micks: To install using package manager, you can:  run adept (package manager), then click "fetch updates".
[11:51] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..then select the package you want from the list (use search to narrow things down first, probably)
[11:51] <wimpies> when I do apt-get install openoffice.org2 openoffice.org
[11:52] <wimpies> I get :   openoffice.org: Conflicts: openoffice.org2
[11:52] <wimpies> and when I do : apt-get install openoffice.org2
[11:52] <wimpies> I get
[11:52] <HymnToLife> wimpies> you can't install both
[11:52] <wimpies> openoffice.org2: Depends: openoffice.org (> 2.0.2)
[11:52] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:52] <Hrrmschmr> micks: then click on the item you want to install, and click "install," then "apply changes" at the top.
[11:53] <micks> ok
[11:53] <HymnToLife> !info openoffice.org2
[11:53] <ubotu> openoffice.org2: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.9.129-0.1ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 192 kB
[11:53] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: do you have extra repositories in your list of repositories?
[11:53] <micks> it is working :D
[11:53] <Hrrmschmr> micks: :-)
[11:53] <HymnToLife> wimpies> could you pastebin your sources.list ?
[11:53] <wimpies> yes I can if you tell me quickly how to pastebin again ...
[11:54] <HymnToLife> !pastebin
[11:54] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[11:54] <Hrrmschmr> micks: You can do the "fetch updates" thing once every few days.  ..or, if your system is up and running 24 hours, it'll fetch updates automatically sometime in the middle of the night.
[11:54] <micks> ok
[11:54] <micks> im getting it
[11:55] <Hrrmschmr> micks: You can also click on "add/remove programs" instead of "adept package manager".
[11:55] <m0ns00n> esben: Doesn't work
[11:55] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..that's a simplified version of the same thing.
[11:56] <m0ns00n> esben: This is where it stops: ACPI: setting ELCR to 0200 (from 0c28)
[11:56] <m0ns00n> esben: {freeze] 
[11:56] <Hrrmschmr> micks: ..but when you're installing a package you know lots of people probably use, its simplicity is quite nice.
[11:56] <wimpies> Pastebinned it
[11:56] <RadiantFire> micks: with the new version Dapper, the system will notify you of updates as well
[11:57] <micks> it's great :)
[11:57] <esben> m0ns00n: You booted with acpi=off ... and it still does ACPI? Weird
[11:58] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[11:58] <m0ns00n> esben: Yes, I use "c" (command line)
[11:58] <zblach> is there no proper linux ipod software?
[11:58] <zblach> ** is there no proper software for the ipod in linux?
[11:58] <m0ns00n> esben: kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro splash noapic nolapic apci=off
[11:58] <m0ns00n> gonna try again
[11:59] <esben> it's aCPi, no aPCi
[11:59] <esben> m0ns00n: it's aCPi, no aPCi
[11:59] <Hrrmschmr> zblach: Apple doesn't make any.  But, you can use amarok..
[11:59] <m0ns00n> AH!
[11:59] <m0ns00n> Thanks man!
[11:59] <m0ns00n> :-D
[11:59] <m0ns00n> Now it boots
[11:59] <m0ns00n> :-)
[11:59] <esben> :D
[11:59] <m0ns00n> !i!
[11:59] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, m0ns00n
[11:59] <zblach> Hrrmschmr: amarok work with ipod video?
[11:59] <m0ns00n> I had apci
[12:00] <m0ns00n> not acpi
[12:00] <m0ns00n> hehe
[12:00] <pike__> zblach: there is a proper linux for the ipod :) www.ipodlinux.org
[12:00] <esben> m0ns00n: spelling mistakes are too easy on the kernel boot line :/
[12:00] <Hrrmschmr> zblach: Oh yeah.  you're looking to put video on there..
[12:00] <zblach> pike__: tried it. _very_ crappy.
[12:00] <zblach> but i can't do anything to help
[12:01] <pike__> zblach: oh guess i wont try it just yet then
[12:01] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : my pastbin did it work ?
[12:01] <jeekl> Do I dare update to dapper now or should I wait a week untill it's released?
[12:03] <zblach> pike__: rockbox is nice, but there's still much lacking there too
[12:03] <Hrrmschmr> zblach: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=103071
[12:04] <Hrrmschmr> ..how does one fetch a pastebin?
[12:04] <Hrrmschmr> hehe.
[12:05] <zblach> Hrrmschmr: thanks. found that earlier. still not much help
[12:05] <zblach> ...the site, not anyone here
[12:05] <Hrrmschmr> ah..
[12:05] <Hrrmschmr> !pastebin
[12:05] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[12:05] <Hrrmschmr> oh.
[12:06] <wimpies> It seems I need to paste the URL ?
[12:06] <wimpies> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14646
[12:08] <davix> how do I make an xvid file play on dvd if my dvd dosent support xvid?
[12:08] <wimpies> davix : convert to mpeg2
[12:08] <smoosh> hi, how can i see witch version of gcc is used for compile a (compiled) binary file?
[12:08] <davix> what app can do it?
[12:08] <davix> wimpies
[12:09] <wimpies> mencoder : transcode and a few DVD authoring guis (check freshmeat or kde.apps)
[12:09] <davix> will do thanks
[12:12] <hamburg> how can i get firefox 1.5x ? i use 1.08 ;/
[12:14] <Hrrmschmr> ..there's no kde applet.
[12:14] <Hrrmschmr> ..for webboard.
[12:14] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : the above URL does not work ?
[12:15] <luksan_> why doesn't kubuntu have packages for zsnes?
[12:15] <RogueJediX> luksan_: I can find it just fine
[12:16] <imbrandon> luksan_: it does
[12:16] <imbrandon> luksan_: zsnes - Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM)
[12:16] <imbrandon> multiverse
[12:17] <luksan_> i have multiverse, but adept isn't showing it
[12:17] <Hrrmschmr> ..hrm.
[12:17] <imbrandon> can you paste your sources.list in pastebin ?
[12:17] <luksan_> this doesn't make any sense
[12:17] <luksan_> yes
[12:18] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: You do have a couple of extra repositories, and though they don't look like they'd contain packages that would conflict with oo.o2, it's still possible.
[12:18] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: (yes, the url worked, I just didn't look hard enough -- didn't notice viewing links and 'search')
[12:18] <luksan_> imbrandon: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zdOaUc95.html
[12:19] <imbrandon> k one sec
[12:19] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: can you also pastebin the conflict message?
[12:21] <esben> smoosh: You can't, not really. You can see the ABI with something like nm /home/esben/c++/a.out | grep CXX, unless it's stripped
[12:22] <imbrandon> luksan_: looks like your missing a few that i have of the official ones, try my sources.list http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/738176
[12:22] <imbrandon> back yours up, doa apt-get update and try again
[12:22] <jeekl> I was about to upgrade to dapper from my breezy and changed my sources.list to fit dapper and ran a apt-get update and then a dist-upgrade. But apt wants to remove lots of packages from me? Why is that? I HAve the correct repos in my sources.list. Here is the output of dist-upgrade:http://pastebin.com/738166 and this is my sources.list: http://pastebin.com/738171
[12:23] <smoosh> esben: ah, ok... thanks alot for the info...
[12:23] <_per_> how do i change the screen resolution? (it is set to 1024x768 now, and i know it can get up to 1280x800, but that option is not shown in the "System Settings")
[12:23] <imbrandon> jeekl: thats semi normal, it will remove alot ( including oo.o ) just reinstall it when its done if you want
[12:24] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14650
[12:24] <luksan_> imbrandon: ok thanks
[12:24] <jeekl> imbrandon: Seminormal? Okey, but why? Design flaw in apt or just some strange behaviour in repo handling or something?
[12:25] <HymnToLife> jeekl> it will install a lot of new wones too, I think it's OK
[12:25] <imbrandon> _per_: at a command prompt type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[12:25] <HymnToLife> see line 75
[12:25] <_per_> imbrandon: thanks
[12:25] <imbrandon> jeekl: no i just ment thats normal ( ignor the semi )
[12:25] <jeekl> HymnToLife: Yeah, I see. Right then. I guess it's all fine and dandy.
[12:26] <jeekl> imbrandon: Right, thanks.
[12:26] <gil> hi
[12:26] <imbrandon> 'ello
[12:26] <imbrandon> morning HymnToLife
[12:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:26] <gil> how do i take a large linux partitions and resize it....create a new partition out of it
[12:26] <imbrandon> qtparted
[12:27] <gil> is that from the command line
[12:27] <gil> ?
[12:27] <imbrandon> no command line is cfdisk
[12:27] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: When was the last time you did an apt-get update?
[12:27] <wimpies> 10 minutes ago ?
[12:27] <Hrrmschmr> k.
[12:28] <HymnToLife> 'night imbrandon :p
[12:28] <imbrandon> wimpies: apt-get install openoffice.org2 << drop the "2"
[12:28] <gil> ok
[12:28] <imbrandon> wimpies: apt-get install openoffice.org
[12:28] <wimpies> would that install version 2 ?
[12:28] <gil> can i create a fats32 partition with qtparted
[12:28] <gil> ?
[12:28] <wimpies> or 1
[12:28] <imbrandon> 2
[12:29] <HymnToLife> gil> it's recommended to create them with Windows
[12:29] <wimpies> so whats this .org2 package then ?
[12:29] <HymnToLife> it might not recognie FAT partitions created with Parted
[12:29] <imbrandon> meta packages to make the transition wimpies
[12:29] <HymnToLife> !info openoffice.org
[12:30] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section universe/editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.5-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6707 kB, Installed size: 28920 kB
[12:30] <klerfayt> what does LTS stand for?
[12:30] <imbrandon> !info openoffice.org dapper
[12:30] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:30] <HymnToLife> yep, seems openoffice.org2 is a metapackage
[12:30] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: I don't see the package "openoffice.org >2.0.2" in the openoffice.org2 package dependencies.
[12:30] <gil> i have one large ext3 partition from which i want to create a small fat32 partition!
[12:31] <wimpies> !info openoffice.org dapper
[12:31] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:31] <HymnToLife> gil > what d'you mean ?
[12:31] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: comment out all but the ubuntu archives, and do an apt-get update, and then try to install oo.o2.
[12:31] <imbrandon> gil: resize the ext3 with qtparted and the go into windows and create a fat32 part in the free space
[12:31] <wimpies> Hrrmschmr : seems I need to install the openoffice.org package
[12:31] <gil> ok thats what i thought
[12:32] <imbrandon> wimpies: are you on dapper or breezy ?
[12:32] <gil> thanks imbrandon
[12:32] <gil> oh...i have another question about my ALSA sound...
[12:33] <gil> it seems to look up on me on occasion...how do i restart it?
[12:33] <Hrrmschmr> wimpies: it's a metapackage that should install all of the oo.o2 stuff.
[12:33] <gil> lock up
[12:33] <imbrandon> apt-get install koffice ;) j/k
[12:34] <gil> when i use mic on skype for example,...afterward my sound is locked up,,,i actually need to turns skype off to fix the problem
[12:34] <wimpies> imbrandom : dapper (I just upgraded but during upgrade openoffice was removed )
[12:34] <imbrandon> gil: i dunno look for a init script in /etc/init.d for alsa the do "/etc/init.d/alsa restart"
[12:34] <imbrandon> wimpies: then yea drop the "2" its not needed in dapper anymore
[12:35] <imbrandon> !info openoffice.org dapper
[12:35] <ubotu> openoffice.org: (OpenOffice.org Office suite version 2.0), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:35] <imbrandon> ^^ version 2
[12:35] <rob138> whenever i do "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" it says call failed, can anyone help?
[12:35] <imbrandon> !info openoffice.org2 dapper
[12:35] <ubotu> openoffice.org2: (Transitional package to openoffice.org), section editors, is optional. Version: 2.0.2-2ubuntu8 (dapper), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
[12:36] <imbrandon> see meta package
[12:37] <Hrrmschmr> imbrandon, shouldn't the metapackage automatically install the others? ..and if it doesn't, shouldn't that not be a part of its description in the apt cache?
[12:37] <rob138> whenever i do "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" it says call failed, can anyone help?
[12:38] <imbrandon> Hrrmschmr: it SHOULD but its broke, they are working on it ( its a known issue )
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> ..but, yeah, either way, installing oo.o should be fine.
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> oh.
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> Heh.
[12:38] <Hrrmschmr> imbrandon: thanks..  :-)
[12:39] <wimpies> imbrandon : do you know anything about kde and screen resolutions ?
[12:39] <imbrandon> a little , whats up ?
[12:39] <wimpies> well, KDM runs in the perfect resolution (1280x1024) but when I log on as my user then
[12:40] <wimpies> it switches to 640x480.
[12:40] <Hrrmschmr> eugh.
[12:40] <wimpies> I can manually set it to the proper resolution but it seems to forget every time
[12:40] <wimpies> (Using system settings -> display
[12:40] <rob138> can someone help me fix my dcop/hal to see my ipod and make it work with amarok?
[12:40] <imbrandon> hmm do you .... hold on lemme find the option
[12:42] <imbrandon> actualy that should work .... if your on the newest dapper, and its still not working file a bug on launchpad.net ( detailed please )
[12:42] <imbrandon> rob138: whats wrong with it ?
[12:43] <wimpies> imbrandon : should I report the bug about the screen resolution ?
[12:43] <imbrandon> wimpies: thats what i was talking about
[12:43] <RadiantFire> rob138: whats your problem?
[12:44] <rob138> imbrandon, when i do dcop kded mediamanager fullLIst, which it says to do if amarok can't autodetect, and then it says call failed
[12:45] <imbrandon> rob138: what version of kubuntu and how do you have the ipod hooked up and what does aramok say ?
[12:45] <SlimG> anyone know if openoffice.org will be replaced by koffice in the final release of kubuntu 6.06 ?
[12:45] <imbrandon> SlimG: no it wont ( not for dapper )
[12:45] <rob138> 6.06 kubuntu, ipod is hooked up through usb...? and amarok says: QWidget::setMinimumSize: The smallest allowed size is (0,0)
[12:45] <rob138> QComboBox::setCurrentItem: (speakerComboBox) Index 1 out of range X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3  Major opcode:  7Minor opcode:  0 Resource id:  0x340003a
[12:46] <SlimG> imbrandon: thanks, too bad
[12:46] <rob138> when i try adding the device manually
[12:47] <imbrandon> hrm ok i havent seen that one, have you my chance tried amarok 1.4 ?
[12:47] <rob138> i am using 1.4
[12:47] <imbrandon> k hrm
[12:47] <wimpies> BTW. are there known issues with kdetv and dapper ?
[12:48] <wimpies> When I run Xine or Mplayer things are OK but when I start kdetv X screen goes black (I think
[12:48] <rob138> imbrandon, yah, i tried remove amarokrc and the amarok folder and reinstall amarok and it still the same
[12:48] <wimpies> X crashes)
[12:48] <imbrandon> wimpies: check the forums
[12:50] <rob138> imbrandon, also when i click auto-detect it popups and says: No new media devices were found. If you feel this is an error, ensure that the DBUS and HAL daemons are running and KDE was built with support for them. You can test this by running "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" in a Konsole window.
[12:51] <wimpies> imbrandon : at the risk of sounding stupid ... URL ?
[12:52] <imbrandon> wimpies: www.ubuntuforums.org and www.kubuntuforums.net
[12:52] <da_fat_thing> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4019.0 <-- i have exactly the same problems
[12:52] <da_fat_thing> is there any fix yet?
[12:53] <imbrandon> rob138: no idea about that command but i do know kde/kubuntu has dbus / hal support
[12:54] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: maybe try dapper ( better laptop support ) ??
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> yeah, thats the thing
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> its not a laptop
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> ordinary desktop, x800xt, athlon 64 3000+
[12:55] <imbrandon> yea but your install is thinking it is
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> pretty much the same config
[12:55] <da_fat_thing> :\
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> hm, is that all?
[12:56] <imbrandon> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/  <-- dapper release candidate
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> then i should be able to deactivate the check, shouldn't i?
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> i've got no blank cds here, so kubuntu is my only shot until tomorrow
[12:56] <da_fat_thing> hoped to install it tonight
[12:57] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:58] <da_fat_thing> also it hangs directly after the check
[12:58] <da_fat_thing> so its propably not the check itself
[12:58] <da_fat_thing> heh
[12:59] <da_fat_thing> dunno what the guys problem in the thread is, but noapic helps me
[12:59] <da_fat_thing> as a boot parameter
[12:59] <da_fat_thing> does that change anything important or is it acceptable to keep it permanetly?
[01:01] <visik7> fonts in dapper sux or I'm stupid ? :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: thats ok to keep perm yes
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> good
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> now only xorg is left
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> but ive always got problems with that
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> is it normal that the configuration changes?
[01:08] <da_fat_thing> without me provoking it
[01:10] <da_fat_thing> xorg cant find a card in the specified pci-bus
[01:10] <da_fat_thing> how can i find out in which bus it is
[01:11] <wimpies> In konqueror the view mode icon is no longer there ... how can I reactivate it ?
[01:15] <gil> imbrandon: how do i get qtparted to work with my drive....when it says it is busy
[01:17] <gil> can someone help me out with qtparted....
[01:17] <visik7> konversation n dapper sux
[01:17] <rob138> imbrandon, i think i figured my ipod problem, it is being mounted as read only, how do i change this?
[01:17] <visik7> its abbreviate channel name and isn't easy to undestand in which channel am I
[01:17] <HymnToLife> visik7> only in dapper ?
[01:17] <visik7> any way to fix it ?
[01:17] <visik7> HymnToLife: I'm using it in breezy and works ok for my needs
[01:18] <theine> visik7: what sucks about it?
[01:18] <HymnToLife> guess I'm too used to my xchat but I didn't like it in Breezy either
[01:18] <visik7> theine:  it abbreviate channel name and isn't easy to undestand in which channel am I
[01:19] <visik7> theine: the led at the left of the channel name is too big
[01:19] <theine> visik7: hmmm, I don't seem to have that problem
[01:19] <visik7> theine: plain install of flight 7
[01:19] <visik7> now I'mgoing to try rc
[01:20] <imbrandon> visik7: the led's dont show up in dapper  : look http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png
[01:20] <theine> visik7: I don't have such a led, but I continually upgraded from breezy
[01:20] <da_fat_thing> is it possible that kubuntu has problems with pcie?
[01:20] <visik7> imbrandon: I'v enabled it
[01:21] <RadiantFire> what does SCIM do?
[01:21] <nomad> hello
[01:21] <imbrandon> standard something input method, something about mappping kleys
[01:21] <imbrandon> keys*
[01:21] <RadiantFire> really?
[01:21] <visik7> btw most of my font apps in breezy are setted to xft font (dunno where is it but is cool ) in dapper there isn't such a font
[01:21] <RadiantFire> I wonder if I could use it to get at my multimedia h otkeys
[01:21] <gil> imbrandon: how do i get qtparted to lock onto my drive...it says it is busy
[01:22] <imbrandon> gil unmount it
[01:22] <gil> unmount root partition
[01:22] <imbrandon> you cant change a mounted drive
[01:22] <RadiantFire> gil, do act on  your own harddrive your gonna have to boot with some sort of rescue CD
[01:22] <imbrandon> ahh if its root you have to boot from a live cd or such
[01:23] <gil> i cant use qtparted like partiition magic?
[01:23] <nomad> anyone with drake that has xgl running ?
[01:23] <imbrandon> gil , not on mounted drives ( you can run qtpartd on a livecd )
[01:23] <gil> ok
[01:25] <imbrandon> *yawns* , soooooo how is everyone this eve ?
[01:29] <imbrandon> lol
[01:30] <RadiantFire> sigh
[01:30] <RadiantFire> pointers are evil...
[01:31] <imbrandon> ye they are ...... * sticks with c# *
[01:31] <RadiantFire> oh wells...
[01:31] <RadiantFire> when in doubt, scrape the whole function and start over :)
[01:32] <Kadran> hi did any one tried to install hsf modem on kubuntu?
[01:32] <Kadran> please tell me how?
[01:33] <imbrandon> hsf sorry no, i havent used a modem in a long time
[01:35] <HymnToLife> Kadran> you have a site full of informations on this subject at http://www.linmodems.org
[01:35] <HymnToLife> but it might be a bit confusing, ask for help if needed
[01:37] <Kadran> HymnToLife: thanks
[01:37] <da_fat_thing> now its getting frustrating
[01:38] <da_fat_thing> i tought (k)ubuntu was so good at detecting hardware -.-
[01:38] <HymnToLife> da_fat_thing> it is
[01:38] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: for the most part it is
[01:38] <HymnToLife> at least for me
[01:39] <da_fat_thing> i dunno, i dont have any exotic hardware and i cant seem to find the error, it behaves differently on every boot
[01:39] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: ipod ?
[01:39] <da_fat_thing> no,
[01:39] <da_fat_thing> nope
[01:39] <imbrandon> what are your errors, what ahardware ?>
[01:39] <imbrandon> we can TRY to help
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> well, a card reader, im gonna disconnect that
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=4019.0
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> still that
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> exept it sometimes works with noapic or pci=routeirq as boot parameters
[01:40] <da_fat_thing> or it locks up at a different point
[01:40] <imbrandon> ahhh as i sugested before , atleaste TRY dapper
[01:41] <da_fat_thing> :\
[01:41] <imbrandon> breezy will be upgrading to dapper by default in a few days anyhow
[01:41] <da_fat_thing> yeah.
[01:41] <imbrandon> in your case might be good to jump ahead
[01:41] <da_fat_thing> any way to do that from the console?
[01:41] <imbrandon> yea if you have network
[01:42] <imbrandon> just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all the "breezy" to "dapper"
[01:42] <imbrandon> and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:42] <imbrandon> wait for it to finish, reboot
[01:43] <da_fat_thing> if i get to boot it i'll try, if not, i'll have to wait till tomorrow
[01:44] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing:
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> i had kubuntu 3 i think, that worked very well
[01:44] <imbrandon> when booting
[01:44] <imbrandon> edit the grub entry and add "single" without quotes to the end
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> i'm just wondering what changed
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> k
[01:44] <imbrandon> that will put you in single user mode
[01:44] <imbrandon> to do the upgrade
[01:44] <da_fat_thing> k
[01:45] <imbrandon> then remove it when finished ( still might need noapic depending on your hardware
[01:45] <imbrandon> )
[01:45] <da_fat_thing> well, noapic isnt working anymore :(
[01:45] <da_fat_thing> strange
[01:45] <YazzY> hi guys
[01:46] <YazzY> i dapper the latest version of ubuntu ?
[01:46] <imbrandon> yes dapper RC is
[01:46] <YazzY> thanks
[01:46] <YazzY> what repositories do i need to add to get applications like ktorrent, kmplayer, dixv support and such ?
[01:47] <imbrandon> universe and multiverse
[01:47] <imbrandon> YazzY: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/738176
[01:47] <YazzY> imbrandon: could you please post your apt config on pastebin.com ?
[01:47] <da_fat_thing> is there some sort of boot-log?
[01:47] <YazzY> heh
[01:47] <YazzY> thanks
[01:48] <imbrandon> da_fat_thing: /var/log/messages
[01:49] <YazzY> thanks again and laters
[01:53] <nrdb> I was wondering if there is an interface that goes direct to the ethernet hardware without going though the TCP/IP stack?
[01:54] <nrdb> that is for a C program!
[01:54] <Dasnipa`> sounds like that would be too easily exploitable...
[01:55] <Kyral> oyah
[01:57] <imbrandon> nrdb: you could probbly write a kernel interface ;)
[01:57] <imbrandon> gl
[01:58] <scubes13> anyone familiar with booting a box via pxes having already installed freenx onto kubuntu?
[01:58] <scubes13> any direction at all is well appreciated
[01:59] <scubes13> someone had mentioned the pxes project, but I have yet to be able to figure out what is needed on a kubuntu box to connect a client
[02:00] <imbrandon> scubes13: might try edubuntu channel they use ltsp alot ( just let them know your on kubuntu though )
[02:01] <nrdb> imbrandon: so there isn't an interface or you don't know what it is?
[02:01] <imbrandon> nrdb: no, you would have to write a driver on your own
[02:02] <nrdb> imbrandon: ok thanks for that. :(
[02:02] <_bbeck> Does anyone know if the release candidate that came out today will there be a live cd for it?
[02:02] <imbrandon> there already is
[02:03] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmmm, McDonalds is offering adult happy meals.
[02:03] <_bbeck> oh, is the desktop version what they're calling the live cd?
[02:03] <imbrandon> ye
[02:03] <imbrandon> s
[02:03] <imbrandon> alternate install is the text mode install
[02:06] <coreymon77> guys i have a question
[02:06] <coreymon77> for printers
[02:06] <scubes13> imbrandon: thanks for the tip, had not even thought about edubuntu channel, thanks again
[02:06] <imbrandon> np
[02:06] <evader> Hi, I just installed Flight 7 last night, and now the release candidate came out today!!!
[02:06] <coreymon77> would a driver for the hp photosmart 3200 work for the hp photosmart 3210
[02:06] <evader> Is there a changelog?
[02:07] <imbrandon> evader: just apt-get dist-upgrade and you will have the latest , dosent matter what you install
[02:07] <evader> Can I read the changelog still please
[02:07] <imbrandon> coreymon77: yes , most likely ( they only release major numbers )
[02:07] <HymnToLife> !changelog
[02:07] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, HymnToLife
[02:07] <RadiantFire> does he need to dist upgrade if he installed flight7?
[02:08] <evader> Thanks
[02:08] <imbrandon> RadiantFire: its always better to use dist-upgrade rather than upgrade unless you have a specific reason
[02:08] <coreymon77> so i should use hplip
[02:08] <imbrandon> coreymon77: yes
[02:09] <evader> I can't seem to find the right changelog
[02:09] <evader> I want to see the differences between flight 7, and the RC
[02:09] <da_fat_thing> well, thanks for the help, the upgrade will take 30 minutes so ill try that tomorrow
[02:09] <coreymon77> i mean hpjis
[02:09] <da_fat_thing> gn8
[02:10] <coreymon77> now my printer has ethernet capabilities meaning it can connect directly to my network as a seperate entity
[02:11] <imbrandon> evader: read the dapper-changes mailing list, there isnt a "changelog" per se
[02:11] <coreymon77> would all i need to do to get it to work is download the driver
[02:11] <coreymon77> ?
[02:11] <evader> imbrandon: ok i'll have a look
[02:11] <imbrandon> evader: many thousands packages get changed , would be impossible to maintain
[02:11] <evader> ok
[02:11] <imbrandon> coreymon77: correct
[02:11] <coreymon77> or should i upgrade to dapper rc before trying
[02:12] <evader> imbrandon: well i just wanted to know if there is any configuration changes that i miss out on because i used Flight 7
[02:12] <imbrandon> dosent matter coreymon77
[02:12] <drgonzo> hello all
[02:12] <imbrandon> evader: no, not as long as you are apt-get dist-upgrading , its exactly the same
[02:12] <drgonzo> is anyone here using kbfx with kubuntu, I'm having issues with the applet
[02:12] <evader> ok
[02:12] <evader> thanks
[02:13] <imbrandon> drgonzo: yes i'm using it ( http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png  )
[02:13] <drgonzo> Once I installed the deb package  through synaptic, I can add kbfxvista( the name of the applet) to my pannel, but from there I can't edit it or open it
[02:13] <coreymon77> which would bring me to my next problem
[02:13] <imbrandon> in the control center
[02:14] <drgonzo> oh, In kde components?
[02:14] <imbrandon> no apperance
[02:14] <drgonzo> ok thanks :)
[02:14] <coreymon77> imbrandon, apt on my computer has no repositories on it, after installing kubuntu fresh apt has no repositories
[02:14] <coreymon77> how could i get all the ones i need
[02:14] <imbrandon> coreymon77:  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/738176
[02:15] <coreymon77> where does the repositories list go
[02:16] <imbrandon> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:16] <coreymon77> oh, by the way, i still have breezy
[02:16] <imbrandon> ouch , will still work, just change all the "dapper" to breezy
[02:16] <coreymon77> but i want to get dapper rc through apt
[02:16] <coreymon77> how would i do that
[02:17] <imbrandon> then use my sources.list
[02:17] <HymnToLife> coreymon77> here's mine if you want : http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/stuff/sources.list
[02:17] <HymnToLife> it's for Breezy
[02:17] <imbrandon> and apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:17] <dergringo> hi, I am looking for an alternative icon theme for kopete (not an emoticon theme) but I can't find anything :(
[02:17] <imbrandon> then use my sources.list ( to get dapper if thats what you want )
[02:17] <imbrandon> and apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:17] <imbrandon> dergringo: check kde-look.org
[02:18] <coreymon77> do i have to do anything so that it downlaod non final releases aswell
[02:18] <imbrandon> coreymon77: here this is easyier to ready : http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list
[02:18] <dergringo> imbrandon: I do, daily :D But I just find emoticon sets :(
[02:18] <coreymon77> oh, and thanks hymm
[02:19] <coreymon77> which one do i use
[02:19] <imbrandon> no coreymon77 just do the updates every day and you dont have to do anything
[02:19] <coreymon77> the breezy one from hymm or yours
[02:19] <imbrandon> coreymon77: if you want dapper use mine
[02:19] <imbrandon> if you want breezy then his
[02:20] <imbrandon> you wanted to upgrade to dapper right ?
[02:20] <coreymon77> yes
[02:20] <coreymon77> and where do i put it
[02:20] <imbrandon> coreymon77:  http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list  <-- make your /etc/apt/sources.list look like that
[02:20] <imbrandon> with "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[02:21] <coreymon77> so just replace my sources.list with the one you gave me
[02:21] <imbrandon> and then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:21] <imbrandon> coreymon77: yes
[02:21] <imbrandon> and then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:21] <imbrandon> it will upgrade you
[02:21] <coreymon77> oh, and this includes kubuntu right
[02:21] <imbrandon> yes thats kubuntu or ubuntu
[02:21] <imbrandon> either one
[02:24] <coreymon77> could i just use sudo -s and not have to type sudo all the time
[02:25] <veronica--f> I always did the long version of that: sudo zsh
[02:25] <imbrandon> could but i dont recomend that to new people
[02:27] <imbrandon> coreymon77: you WILL have to reinstall openoffice.org when done ( no way arround it atm ) but its easy , when its all done just "apt-get install openoffice.org"
[02:29] <coreymon77> brandon, i know how to use apt, ive been using linux for years
[02:29] <imbrandon> kk sorry, dont mean to talk you down, alot of people in here dont ;)
[02:30] <Spaceraver> including me
[02:32] <coreymon77> i can still use kubuntu while dist upgrade is going right
[02:33] <imbrandon> yup
[02:35] <coreymon77> good
[02:42] <Ahmuck> if i unplug my cable, and then plug it back in will kubuntu auto connect ?
[02:46] <imbrandon> to what ? ethernet ?
[02:46] <Bilford> tj9991,  cant you transfer everything off the Windows drive instead, and then remove Windows
[02:53] <Ahmuck> i am having problems with resize on a windows xp box
[02:53] <HymnToLife> what problem exactly ?
[02:54] <Ahmuck> I get an error that says, "Failed to create enough space for installation  The resize operation did not create enough free space for the installation.  Resizing may have failed.  You will have to set up partitions manually.  <Go Back> <Continue>
[02:54] <Ahmuck> Windows XP Pro and NTFS
[02:55] <HymnToLife> Ahmuck> resize your NTFS manually with GParted before installation
[02:55] <Ahmuck> ok
[03:08] <brad_> im thinking about switching from slackware to kubuntu because of its amd64 support. how was is its support for sata drives?
[03:10] <HymnToLife> brad_> It's rather kernel-based but no problem for me
[03:12] <zblach> hey, anyone here use gtkpod often?
[03:12] <brad_> ive used it
[03:13] <zblach> that sounds like it's in the past tense
[03:13] <zblach> i just got an ipod video in the mail, and i'm wondering if there's a gtkpod-like program for video
[03:14] <zblach> ***videos
[03:14] <brad_> i think i read on their site that is gonna support video pretty soon
[03:14] <zblach> any idea what 'really soon' means?
[03:14] <brad_> i was actually looking for the same thing
[03:14] <drgonzo> oh btw, now that dapper is final, do I need to change my repo entry ?
[03:14] <brad_> i just got an ipod video
[03:15] <zblach> brad_: the version included with breezy is 99.2, and video is supported from 99.0
[03:15] <zblach> maybe i'll take a second look
[03:15] <brad_> oh nice deal
[03:16] <brad_> i had some problems with it
[03:16] <brad_> kept crashing
[03:18] <drgonzo> do i  even need the repo now that dapper is released?
[03:18] <drgonzo> won't kubuntu 3.5.2 be in the main repo now?
[03:18] <Bilford> I dont know.  what if people dont want to upgrade?
[03:20] <dipnlik> hi all. my konqueror's amaroK sidebar is not working, it always display "no track playing". any ideas?
[03:21] <seth> hi dipnlik, what kind of media files are you using?
[03:23] <brad_> there isnt a dvd releasee of dapper?
[03:23] <Bilford> why do you want a DVD
[03:23] <dipnlik> seth: mostly mp3, but i have some oggs and wma's and mp4, i think
[03:23] <seth> dipnlik, breezy or dapper?
[03:23] <seth> dipnlik, if dapper, amarok 1.3 or 1.4?
[03:24] <dipnlik> seth: dapper, 1.4-beta3
[03:24] <seth> perfect
[03:24] <seth> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[03:24] <brad_> there was a dvd with the last release wasnt there?
[03:24] <seth> 1.4 final is out
[03:24] <seth> should fix your issue
[03:25] <dipnlik> seth: wow, cool!
[03:27] <brad_> what was the reason for the dvd release? because it was a livecd and install disc
[03:27] <seth> the dvd also contained all of main
[03:27] <Bilford> You can install with the Live CD
[03:28] <Bilford> you dont need the DVD to install
[03:28] <brad_> what do you mean all of main... sorry i dont know all that much about kubuntu. im thinking of switching from slackware
[03:29] <Bilford> you only need the CD
[03:29] <Bilford> after you load the Live CD, theres a desktop icon to Install
[03:30] <brad_> is dapper safe to install or should i stick with breezy till dapper is final
[03:31] <dipnlik> brad_: no problems with breezy here
[03:32] <brad_> dipnlik, do you mean dapper?
[03:32] <dipnlik> brad_: dapper here, sorry
[03:32] <brad_> ok
[03:32] <dipnlik> brad_: i'd go breezy in a work environment, maybe
[03:33] <brad_> ive heard a lot of good things about *ubuntu. the whole it just works motto makes me feel confident
[03:33] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[03:34] <Bilford> Dapper is safe.  the official release iis in about a week
[03:34] <dipnlik> brad_: i really like this part too
[03:34] <HymnToLife> hmm what about servers, should I dist-upgrade mine ?
[03:34] <Bilford> I think it's better to install Dapper fresh rather than Breezy, and have to upgrade a week later
[03:34] <brad_> 6.06 LTS is downloading right now
[03:34] <Bilford> where are you getting it from
[03:35] <Bilford> the link I posted?
[03:35] <brad_> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/
[03:35] <Bilford> no
[03:35] <Bilford> oh, sorry
[03:35] <Bilford> RC is out
[03:35] <brad_> yup
[03:35] <brad_> today
[03:35] <Bilford> cool
[03:35] <unix_infidel> how would i go about removing old packages from cache?
[03:35] <unix_infidel> or is that even viable since ubuntu doesnt really release new software.
[03:36] <brad_> so with kubuntu i have access to all of ubuntu packages and all of debians? is that true?
[03:36] <unix_infidel> brad_: yes.
[03:36] <imbrandon> most of debians not all
[03:37] <HymnToLife> be careful when using Debian binaries though
[03:37] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu recompiles pretty much everything from Debian. Kubuntu is the KDE desktop for Ubunru.
[03:37] <brad_> thats really the main thing that slackware lacks... package management
[03:37] <HymnToLife> bbut all of Ubuntu for sure, Ubuntu and Kubuntu are basically the same thing
[03:37] <EvilIdler> There's probably an apt-slack by now :)
[03:37] <brad_> evil_doer, there is
[03:37] <unix_infidel> anyone on my old package removal questino,
[03:37] <EvilIdler> idler = !doer
[03:38] <brad_> slapt-get actually
[03:38] <imbrandon> unix_infidel: what question ?
[03:38] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: how would i go about removing old packages from cache.
[03:38] <EvilIdler> Yeah, I thought they'd get to their senses eventually, even in slack territory :)
[03:38] <unix_infidel> and what threshold in days does it use to determine which packages are out dated.
[03:38] <imbrandon> apt-get clean
[03:38] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: threshold?
[03:39] <EvilIdler> No threshold. The packages stay till you run clean.
[03:39] <imbrandon>    clean - Erase downloaded archive files
[03:39] <imbrandon>    autoclean - Erase old downloaded archive files
[03:39] <brad_> there is also no talk of supporting amd64 either. and since i just paid for a new system id like to use it to its potential
[03:39] <imbrandon> no threshhol, all or none
[03:40] <imbrandon> brad- :)
[03:40] <brad_> yes?
[03:40] <imbrandon> just a smile at amd64
[03:41] <brad_> oh :)
[03:41] <brad_> where is this repository of packages? can i look at the goods?
[03:41] <imbrandon> packages.ubuntu.com
[03:42] <imbrandon> ubuntu and kubuntu both use the same repos , its just diffrences in whats installed by default
[03:43] <brad_> oh really
[03:43] <HymnToLife> exactly
[03:43] <EvilIdler> Ubuntu defaults to Gnome. Kubuntu is the KDE desktop instead.
[03:43] <imbrandon> ubuntu == gnome/gtk , kubuntu == kde , by default but can be mixed and matched etc
[03:44] <brad_> wow
[03:45] <imbrandon> and if you install kubuntu and wanna try ubuntu just "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" or xubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop etc etc etc
[03:45] <brad_> xubuntu?
[03:45] <brad_> hrm
[03:45] <imbrandon> xfce4
[03:45] <HymnToLife> !xubuntu
[03:45] <ubotu> well, xubuntu is Ubuntu using Xfce instead of Gnome for the desktop. Details here: https://www.xubuntu.org
[03:45] <dipnlik> brad_: xubuntu is cool, i used it at work
[03:45] <brad_> ah nice
[03:46] <brad_> yea xfce is nice
[03:46] <dipnlik> wow, kwrite is not available anymore, anyone knows why?
[03:46] <imbrandon> like i said all the *buntu's use the same repos , just whats installed by default ( kubuntu == kubuntu-desktop and dependancies )
[03:47] <imbrandon> dipnlik: its avaible just not installed by default .... apt-get install kwrite
[03:47] <imbrandon> but kte is nicer
[03:47] <imbrandon> err kate
[03:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:47] <dipnlik> imbrandon: not available here, are you sure it is available?
[03:47] <brad_> i really hope this is nice as it seems
[03:48] <imbrandon> my bad, look like kwrite == kate
[03:48] <brad_> im sick of standing on my head to get some things to work in slack
[03:48] <HymnToLife> imbrandon> I'm pretty sure it is, in Breezy at least
[03:48] <imbrandon> brad it is ...... BUT just rember its not the end all / be all BUT if your used to slack then you will love it
[03:49] <dipnlik> imbrandon: IIRC, it was possible to embed vim in kwrite, this is not possible on kate
[03:49] <imbrandon> HymnToLife: probbly
[03:49] <imbrandon> !info kwrite breezy
[03:49] <imbrandon> !info kwrite dapper
[03:50] <imbrandon> hmmm
[03:50] <imbrandon> !+info kwrite dapper
[03:50] <ubotu> Package 'kwrite' does not exist.
[03:50] <imbrandon> !+info kwrite breezy
[03:50] <ubotu> Package 'kwrite' does not exist.
[03:50] <dipnlik> :-O
[03:50] <imbrandon> ouch
[03:50] <imbrandon> is kwrite part of koffice ?
[03:51] <dipnlik> imbrandon: no, that is kword
[03:51] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[03:51] <HymnToLife> !info kwrite
[03:51] <imbrandon> might have to get a debian package for now and take your chances, then ask the -motu to maby get it in for edgy
[03:51] <HymnToLife> that's strange
[03:52] <imbrandon> debian etch/sarge packages *can* work , just be carefull with them
[03:52] <imbrandon> but if your a vim user then you might be used to that ....... *chokes on vim*
[03:52] <imbrandon> ;)
[03:53] <imbrandon> j/k
[03:53] <imbrandon> but i'll see what the deal is later once dapper has shipped for getting it into edgy for ya if its possible
[03:53] <NeoChaosX> kwrite is installed if you have kate installed
[03:54] <NeoChaosX> it's just a stripped down kate
[03:54] <imbrandon> thats what i thought NeoChaosX
[03:54] <imbrandon> but he seems to think diffrent
[03:54] <NeoChaosX> who does?
[03:54] <imbrandon> dipnlik:
[03:54] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: wow, yeah i have kwrite (just not on katapult, wierd)
[03:55] <HymnToLife> [03:54]  <imbrandon> but he seems to think diffrent <= I hate apple :p
[03:55] <imbrandon> lol
[03:55] <nahoj> anyone else having trouble with kubuntu dapper freezing very often?
[03:55] <imbrandon> nahoj: not i, been running dapper a long time now
[03:55] <dipnlik> HymnToLife: i like mac minis, want one :)
[03:55] <dipnlik> imbrandon: how do you like the macbook?
[03:56] <HymnToLife> The only Apple stuff I ever bought was an iPod :p
[03:56] <nahoj> my system just froze 2 times in five minutes...
[03:56] <imbrandon> i LOVE it
[03:56] <imbrandon> nahoj: why?
[03:56] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: kwrite can have vim embedded
[03:56] <brad_> so im searching packages.ubuntu.com and some packages have  restricted in red letters after the title what is that all about?
[03:56] <nahoj> imbrandon, no idea, every day it freezes at least 4-5 times
[03:56] <HymnToLife> I would't spit on a 12" iBook either but I cn't afford having 2 laptops yet
[03:56] <nahoj> everything but the mouse just stop working
[03:56] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: Settings, Choose editor
[03:56] <nahoj> no option but to reboot
[03:57] <imbrandon> brad_: diffrent licencing
[03:57] <NeoChaosX> dipnlik: didn't know that, that's interesting
[03:57] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: just want to know what do I need to do to have vim embedded
[03:57] <NeoChaosX> Ah
[03:57] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: google says vimpart, but kubuntu doesn't have that package either
[03:58] <nahoj> imbrandon, i just had a clean install and after 3 minutes it froze completely
[03:58] <d3a> a new Windows xp installation has destroyed my grub ? is there a way to have the multiboot ?
[03:58] <imbrandon> nahoj: check /var/log/messages for errors, sounds like you have some hardware issues maybe
[03:58] <dipnlik> nahoj: my dapper freezed when I tried something OpenGL w/o configuring my video card
[03:58] <brad_> d3a, should have installed windows first
[03:58] <d3a> i can get in to my previous ubuntu partitions
[03:59] <d3a> brad_ yes too late
[03:59] <dipnlik> imbrandon: i'll have to save money for some 6 months to buy my mini... quite sad
[03:59] <imbrandon> d3a: yes just use the ubuntu cd again and repair grub ( there is a repair menu )
[03:59] <d3a> oh tks
[04:00] <d3a> bye all
[04:00] <nahoj> imbrandon, hmm... i don't really know what to look for... *n00b*
[04:01] <NeoChaosX> dipnlik: yeah, funny, vimpart package is in Breezy, but not in Dapper
[04:01] <nahoj> imbrandon, in the file, that is...
[04:01] <imbrandon> nahoj: look for errors
[04:01] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: maybe it is hidden in another vimpackage, heh
[04:01] <NeoChaosX> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fk%2Fkdeaddons%2Fvimpart_3.4.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=5fcf3f0c16405cfcd7a389cc8331045f&arch=i386&type=main
[04:02] <NeoChaosX> That has links to where you can download the Breezy vimpart package
[04:02] <dipnlik> NeoChaosX: oh, thanks :)
[04:03] <NeoChaosX> no problem
[04:03] <brad_> dipnlik, what video card do you have?
[04:03] <dipnlik> brad_: radeon 9250
[04:03] <brad_> do you have it working with opengl now?
[04:04] <NeoChaosX> oh wait a minute. dipnlik, it doesn't work in Dapper
[04:04] <NeoChaosX> it requires an older version of the kdelibs4c2 package. >_<
[04:05] <dipnlik> brad_: well, i followed the steps on the wiki, and noticed better performance, but didn't try even an opengl screensaver
[04:05] <NeoChaosX> The question is if it was updated for KDE 3.5. If it wasn't, that may explain why it isn't in the Dapper repos
[04:06] <nahoj> imbrandon, hmm.. when i check the file I can't find the word error anywhere....
[04:06] <brad_> k, i have an ati card as well... did it give you any ass pains
[04:07] <conflabermits> anyone wanna volunteer to help me? i just migrated from xp and i'm having some problems getting used to linux. need help installing stuff and learning the basics. volunteers?
[04:08] <nahoj> conflabermits, off course, newbie-questions are my speciality. ;-)
[04:08] <conflabermits> awesome
[04:08] <nahoj> that's why :p
[04:08] <masterloki> Hi there is there a way to install 6.06 live beta on text mode?
[04:09] <conflabermits> so nahoj, i downloaded a version of tron (the game) and i'm trying to learn how to install it
[04:09] <nahoj> conflabermits, is it .deb?
[04:10] <conflabermits> tron-0.5beta.tar.gz
[04:10] <conflabermits> what do you mean by .deb?
[04:10] <nahoj> .deb is a package that is ready to be installed with debian-based distros
[04:11] <brad_> hrmm this is weird...  im missing a gig of ram
[04:11] <nahoj> conflabermits, start with extracting the file
[04:11] <conflabermits> hmm, i guess it isn't. i didn't see that extension on any of the files
[04:11] <conflabermits> yeah, extracted
[04:11] <conflabermits> that was the easy part :)
[04:11] <dipnlik> masterloki: you want terminal commands to install 6.06 or install 6.06 w/o graphic mode?
[04:11] <nahoj> conflabermits, hmm... are u sure u can play that in linux?
[04:12] <conflabermits> i should be able to
[04:12] <dipnlik> conflabermits: where did you download it from?
[04:12] <masterloki> dipnlik I want to enter in
[04:12] <masterloki> dipnlik install w/o graphic mode
[04:12] <masterloki> dipnlik: sorry to much lag
[04:12] <conflabermits> it might take me a little while to find the website...
[04:13] <conflabermits> lemme check the history
[04:13] <dipnlik> masterloki: on install, there is a server mode install or something like that... ubuntu-server ... i saw that once, just don't remember exactly now
[04:14] <masterloki> dipnlik, ok let me check
[04:14] <nahoj> conflabermits, hmm.. got my hands full right now, but i am sure u are in good hands. good luck =)
[04:15] <conflabermits> http://freshmeat.net/projects/vgatron/?branch_id=35279&release_id=120440
[04:15] <conflabermits> thanks for the help, have a good one
[04:15] <Hrrmschmr> conflabermits, wait.
[04:15] <nahoj> see u around, good night
[04:15] <Hrrmschmr> I have come out of my lurking for a purpose.
[04:15] <Hrrmschmr> ..have you heard of armagetron?
[04:15] <conflabermits> not at all
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> you should try it.  3d, multiplayer (same machine or otherwise).
[04:16] <conflabermits> if you missed all the action, i'm about two days, about two hours, into using kubuntu
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> ..it is the love of the gods shining down on tron lovers.
[04:16] <conflabermits> is there a basic mode? i'm a fan of the classic
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> ..well, you can change the 3d view..
[04:16] <Hrrmschmr> hehe.
[04:16] <conflabermits> hmmm
[04:16] <conflabermits> do you have a link to one that's easy to install?
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> it's simple, fun gameplay.
[04:17] <conflabermits> or that you can guide me through
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> apt-get install armagetron.
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> ..that's it.
[04:17] <conflabermits> ok
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> ..it's nice, but not necessary, to have 3d accelleration.
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> armagetron -w if you need to run it as a window.
[04:17] <conflabermits> adept, right?
[04:17] <Hrrmschmr> yep.
[04:18] <dipnlik> conflabermits: you can search for tron in adept :) i saw armaagetron and ktron at least
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> Ktron is stupid
[04:19] <conflabermits> i can't seem to find it
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> armaagetron we played at school
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> that game was AWESOMe
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> i don't know of spelling
[04:19] <conflabermits> lemme fetch updates
[04:19] <conflabermits> i found ktron
[04:19] <MasterEvilAce> ktron is 2D
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> it's like the game snake
[04:20] <conflabermits> no prob
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> except with two snakes
[04:20] <conflabermits> right
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> and no items
[04:20] <conflabermits> i know tron
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> yeah.
[04:20] <imbrandon> tron ;)
[04:20] <Hrrmschmr> armagetron is love.
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> KTron is lame in comparison to 3d armagetron
[04:20] <conflabermits> the only other person i know with linux has it i think, that's one of the reasons why i wanted to get linux :P
[04:20] <Hrrmschmr> it's all the simplicity of the older games, with some newer graphics.
[04:20] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> true
[04:20] <imbrandon> ktron is a clone of the old tron arcade game MasterEvilAce
[04:20] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: I understand.. it
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> s just rubbish :)
[04:21] <conflabermits> so i clicked install and commit changes
[04:21] <dipnlik> i basically use emulators for non-windows gaming, maybe i'll give armagetron a try
[04:21] <conflabermits> SWEET it worked!
[04:21] <conflabermits> so adept is basically how i get most apps?
[04:21] <imbrandon> yup
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Yep.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Look 'em up on the internet, and then see if they're in adept.
[04:22] <conflabermits> ah
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Oh.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> Hey.
[04:22] <EvilIdler> Happypenguin.org and Freshmeat.net are good places to start
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> If you don't have at least the 'universe' repository on, you should try it.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> erh, should turn it on.
[04:22] <Hrrmschmr> It will increase your selection a lot.
[04:23] <dipnlik> i have universe and multiverse. just don't know exactly what is what, but in this case more is more :)
[04:23] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:24] <EvilIdler> Add the PLF repository, and you have all you need, pretty much
[04:24] <Hrrmschmr> Just remember that if you see two packages that seem similar, and one has 'ubuntu' in the package version, use that one.
[04:24] <dipnlik> PLF?
[04:24] <EvilIdler> Penguin Liberation Front :)
[04:24] <imbrandon> cybefunk is better ;)
[04:24] <dipnlik> don't know about this
[04:24] <imbrandon> it has dapper stuff
[04:24] <Hrrmschmr> eh?
[04:24] <conflabermits> hmmmm
[04:24] <Hrrmschmr> What is this cybefunk you speak of?
[04:25] <conflabermits> i shall do some research
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:25] <EvilIdler> I'm on Breezy, because the kernels in Dapper won't boot
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> :-(
[04:25] <conflabermits> my goal is just to learn how to navigate in linux by the end of the summer
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> heh.
[04:25] <Hrrmschmr> Well, you'll prolly have it by then.
[04:26] <Hrrmschmr> Most of the distributions have one sort of package manager or another.
[04:26] <imbrandon> # Cipherfunk multimedia packages (packages, GPG key: 33BAC1B3)
[04:26] <imbrandon> deb ftp://cipherfunk.org/pub/packages/ubuntu/ dapper main
[04:26] <Hrrmschmr> Adept, Synaptic, kpackage, yum..
[04:26] <imbrandon> ^^ w32codecs and such
[04:27] <Hrrmschmr> Thanks, imbrandon.
[04:28] <conflabermits> hey, thanks for the help guys. i'm off to play some tron and browse around for more stuff
[04:28] <conflabermits> adios
[04:28] <Hrrmschmr> :-)
[04:29] <brad_> ok off to install this...
[04:31] <coreymon77> hi everyone
[04:31] <coreymon77> im running dist-upgrade (finally)
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh
[04:34] <EvilIdler> Hmm..not good. Adept crashed when I selected ScummVM :/
[04:36] <Parkotron> Is there a way to make Kopete ignore status when sorting contacts?
[04:43] <DrBair> anyone out there use bing?
[04:46] <coreymon77> ill be back with dapper!
[04:50] <imbrandon> coreymon77 : good luck
[05:14] <kathy> I'm having trouble getting my Palm m500 to consistently sync with KPilot
[05:14] <kathy> the strange thing is my Tungsten T works flawlessly
[05:35] <Ed_L> if I install 6.06 LTS now, will there be an easy update path to the final version?
[05:36] <imbrandon> "apt-get dist-upgrade" wait to finish .... done ;)
[05:36] <imbrandon> thats easy huh ;)
[05:36] <Ed_L> indeed
[05:36] <Ed_L> after a failed Xandros attempt I'm now stuck on Mandrake :/
[05:36] <imbrandon> in other words yes, sorry kinda sarcastic tonight
[05:37] <imbrandon> failed Xandros ?
[05:37] <imbrandon> heh i never wanted to pay for xandros or i might have tried it sometime
[05:37] <Ed_L> it was stuck on 1024x768 on a widescreen LCD. no fun :/
[05:38] <Ed_L> there is an open circulation edition of it, but it was released a year ago to the month
[05:41] <Ed_L> I like how KDE just crashed
[05:53] <drgonzo> hello all
[05:53] <drgonzo> anyone here using xgf and kde ?
[05:54] <drgonzo> xgl*
[05:57] <imbrandon> drgonzo: might have better luck in #ubuntu-xgl if anyone is awake
[05:58] <drgonzo> ah thanks
[05:58] <DrBair> drgonzo: have played with it a little if you can't find help there
[05:59] <drgonzo> OK thanks DrBair
[06:02] <drgonzo> Seems it might be dead atm.
[06:02] <drgonzo> DrBlair: i'm trying to follow this guide http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148860&highlight=compwiz
[06:02] <drgonzo> I've got a nvidia fx 5200, and i've compiled the driver using the exe for my own kernel.
[06:02] <drgonzo> compiled my own headers that is.
[06:03] <drgonzo> Anyway once I've gone through all the steps for kde, i restart ubuntu and when kdm boots up the nvidia windows starts but then it just dies back to a terminal straight away
[06:05] <drgonzo> actually im going to try something
[06:05] <drgonzo> brb
[06:12] <drgonzo> is that guide no good?
[06:13] <drgonzo> DrBair: Neither the gnome or the kde parts work for me
[06:16] <drgonzo> oh yeah im using 8756
[06:16] <dereks> drgonzo: check out #ubuntu-xgl ... its a whole channel for that topic :)
[06:16] <drgonzo> yeah, im there.
[06:16] <dereks> :)
[06:19] <DrBair> drgonzo: have you checked the output of the xorg log?
[06:21] <drgonzo> there is nothing
[06:21] <drgonzo> nothing complaing anyway
[06:21] <drgonzo> DrBair: did you follow that guide ?
[06:21] <DrBair> yeah, no problems on my NV6600
[06:22] <drgonzo> I compiled the nvidia drivers by hand using the nvidia installer
[06:22] <drgonzo> do i need the packaged nvidia-glx etc ?
[06:23] <MasterEvilAce> okay, i gave user access to smbmount command or whatnot. so i can mount stuff w/o root. but it still wants my user password to do it. is there a way to provide this in the mount command so i can put it in a script w/o having to enter pass everytime
[06:25] <DrBair> MasterEvilAce: I can tell you it is possible
[06:26] <MasterEvilAce> DrBair: but not anymore?
[06:27] <DrBair> drgonzo: the nv installer should have brought glx with it
[06:27] <DrBair> MasterEvilAce: I think its something like 'mount -t smbfs -o username=xxx -o password=xxx //address /mountpoint'
[06:28] <drgonzo> brb trying something
[06:31] <MasterEvilAce> DrBair: is that password for MY user on linux so my user can mount it? or is it for the network share access?
[06:32] <DrBair> for the share access
[06:32] <MasterEvilAce> oh :-/ looking for a way to bypass my linux user password
[06:32] <coreymon77> guys
[06:32] <coreymon77> problem
[06:33] <coreymon77> big problem
[06:33] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: yes?
[06:33] <coreymon77> internet not workin
[06:33] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: does your network card get recognized?
[06:33] <coreymon77> yup
[06:34] <coreymon77> ralink card
[06:34] <coreymon77> rt2500
[06:34] <robotgeek> coreymon77: should work out of the box, really
[06:34] <DrBair> how does dmesg look when you attempt to connect?
[06:34] <robotgeek> coreymon77: are you on breezy / dapper?
[06:34] <coreymon77> dapper
[06:35] <coreymon77> dmesg
[06:35] <coreymon77> ?
[06:35] <coreymon77> i use iwconfig
[06:35] <robotgeek> !wifi
[06:35] <ubotu> I guess wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[06:35] <robotgeek> coreymon77: check that link out, and i'll help you thru it
[06:35] <coreymon77> haha! ubotu!
[06:35] <coreymon77> one problem
[06:35] <coreymon77> im in windoze right now
[06:36] <coreymon77> thats how im tlakin to you guys
[06:36] <coreymon77> hey!
[06:36] <robotgeek> coreymon77: hmm, it is going to be an issue without 2 computers/other computer on wire
[06:36] <coreymon77> theres a whole special page for my specific card!
[06:36] <robotgeek> coreymon77: i also used to use te card, it should really work directly in dapper
[06:37] <coreymon77> its working
[06:37] <coreymon77> im connecting to my network
[06:37] <coreymon77> just not the intarweb
[06:38] <robotgeek> coreymon77: as in, you can ping the gateway, but not google
[06:38] <coreymon77> i cant acess my router either
[06:39] <coreymon77> havent tried pingin it though
[06:39] <robotgeek> coreymon77: okay, maybe we need to set route or something
[06:42] <coreymon77> ??
[06:42] <coreymon77> heres the problem though, i cant use konversation in linux, so if i go and try something and it doesnt work, i have to go back into doze, which is a pain in the @$$
[06:43] <MasterEvilAce> ok, cool. i figured out the mounting stuff. when i put a mount entry into /etc/fstab, it puts an icon on my desktop. anyway to get rid of that?
[06:46] <coreymon77> robo. you there?
[06:46] <robotgeek> coreymon77: yeah
[06:46] <coreymon77> so, what do i do
[06:46] <coreymon77> the way in which i have to reboot as little as possible
[06:47] <robotgeek> coreymon77: do you have a ehternet connection
[06:47] <coreymon77> give me all the possible things that you can think of to try which would fix it or show you what is wrong, ill try them all and tell you if they work or not
[06:47] <coreymon77> i have a wireless card
[06:48] <robotgeek> coreymon77: maybe printout the wireless howto/save it on the linux machine?
[06:48] <coreymon77> ?????
[06:49] <coreymon77> ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
[06:49] <coreymon77> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
[06:49] <coreymon77> ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[06:49] <MasterEvilAce> if you can connect to network but not internet.. maybe there's a proxy setup for some reason?
[06:49] <coreymon77> aslright you ge tthe point
[06:49] <EvilIdler> Holy punctuation, Batman!
[06:49] <robotgeek> coreymon77: please don't do that
[06:49] <coreymon77> alright i had my fun
[06:50] <coreymon77> ace: iwconfig and kcontrol say im connected and i dont have a prox
[06:50] <coreymon77> y
[06:50] <MasterEvilAce> and check if there are DNS servers? if not add one. like 4.2.2.1 4.2.2.2 4.2.2.3  are the ones i use (someone else suggested them)
[06:50] <coreymon77> i have my own dns servers
[06:50] <critter> the new release of dapper is nice...
[06:50] <critter> very nice
[06:51] <coreymon77> ill copy them directly from my router (im doing this all in windoze btw)
[06:51] <MasterEvilAce> yeah make sure all the settings are filled in that you can
[06:51] <MasterEvilAce> although DHCP should work perfectly fine
[06:51] <coreymon77> DNS 1:  	24.153.22.195 DNS 2:  	24.153.22.67
[06:52] <coreymon77> and it worked perfectly in breezy
[06:53] <critter> hey this might be a bit off topic, but does anyone know where i could grab a nice skin to go with beep-media-player; the default skin is meant for ubuntu, and i am running kubuntu, so it looks a bit ugly
[06:53] <critter> i need something blueish
[06:53] <robotgeek> amarok :)
[06:53] <coreymon77> what, doze media player
[06:54] <critter> amarok is cool, but i like the simplicity of beep
[06:54] <critter> plus im on an older machine, so i am tryin to save those extra cpu cycles :P
[06:54] <coreymon77> now
[06:54] <coreymon77> back to my prob
[06:55] <coreymon77> people
[06:55] <coreymon77> robo, ace anyone got any other idea
[06:55] <coreymon77> s
[06:58] <masterloki> Hi there anyone knows who to start text-mode install on 6.06 LST?
[06:59] <coreymon77> i cant believe that worked
[06:59] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: not really.. it's weird that it connects to network but you can't use the internet. I'd make sure DHCP (automatic config) produces the same results as manually-configing. also try to ping,etc. places
[06:59] <MasterEvilAce> masterloki: what is LST?
[06:59] <coreymon77> you mean lts?
[06:59] <masterloki> yes
[07:00] <masterloki> typing error
[07:00] <coreymon77> look
[07:00] <coreymon77> what do i do
[07:00] <coreymon77> i want my eentarweb to work!!!
[07:00] <masterloki> how?
[07:00] <MasterEvilAce> is that the live cd master?
[07:01] <masterloki> MasterEvilAce, yes
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> boot the live CD
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> there's an install option icon on the desktop of the CD
[07:01] <coreymon77> who me?
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> i don't know if there's a diff way (not booting live cd, that is)
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> but that's what i did
[07:01] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon: no
[07:01] <masterloki> MasterEvilAce, I don't want to use it
[07:01] <coreymon77> loki: i just used an install cd
[07:02] <coreymon77> a regular old classic install disk
[07:02] <masterloki> MasterEvilAce, It seems it destriy my partition table
[07:02] <coreymon77> loki: use a regular old install cd
[07:03] <MasterEvilAce> masterloki: hmm? weird. it shouldn't mess with partitions until you get to a certain part of install, and it will ask you if you want to config it yourself me thinks
[07:03] <coreymon77> or get breezy and then dist-upgrade
[07:03] <drgonzo> ok, it sort of works now
[07:04] <masterloki> coreymon77, dist-upgrade brokes my install
[07:04] <coreymon77> i dont know what to do with my inet
[07:04] <drgonzo> If i run thefuture by hand after boot it starts up but suddently all my apps can't be moved and no keyboard entry works
[07:04] <coreymon77> it seems like its destined never to work :(
[07:05] <coreymon77> atleast you can still use linux
[07:05] <coreymon77> im beginning to give up
[07:06] <robotgeek> coreymon77: okay, lets try to go over it step by step
[07:08] <drgonzo> mmm, ok very buggy
[07:09] <drgonzo> can someone tell me what the /etc/kde3/xdm/xdmrc ServerCmd= line was. I stupidly wrote over it without backing it up
[07:10] <coreymon77> doc: its important, kubuntu cant work without it, once you shut off you computer you will never be able to boot kubuntu again without reinstalling it
[07:10] <bintrue> so is the only difference between kubuntu and ubuntu the UI?
[07:10] <coreymon77> just kidding
[07:10] <drgonzo> that is for kde 3.52
[07:10] <coreymon77> i have no clue what its for
[07:10] <drgonzo> it's under the [X-:*-Core] 
[07:10] <MasterEvilAce> drgonzo: /usr/bin/X -br  is what mine says
[07:11] <drgonzo> MasterEvilAce: ServerCmd=/usr/bin/X -br ?
[07:11] <coreymon77> kubuntu is for kde ubuntu is for gnom
[07:11] <coreymon77> e
[07:11] <MasterEvilAce> drgonzo: yup
[07:11] <drgonzo> thanks
[07:12] <coreymon77> im really getting hopeless here
[07:13] <MasterEvilAce> gonna play a game.
[07:14] <coreymon77> my internet is never gonna work
[07:14] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:14] <coreymon77> i always have problems with linux and internet
[07:17] <coreymon77> why do i even bother
[07:18] <EvilIdler> I always have problems with Windows and routers. Want to trade?
[07:18] <coreymon77> sure!
[07:18] <coreymon77> windows works great with me
[07:18] <coreymon77> i help you and you help me?
[07:18] <coreymon77> well it works great when it comes to my router
[07:18] <EvilIdler> Note: Problems are fixable when Linux is in the mix, while we *know* Windows is hopeless ;)
[07:20] <coreymon77> so, evil
[07:20] <coreymon77> how do i fix my problem
[07:21] <EvilIdler> What IS your problem?
[07:22] <coreymon77> isorry about that
[07:22] <coreymon77> i dont know what my crazy computer just did
[07:23] <MasterEvilLaptop> coreymon77: damn man just try to narrow down the problem. it's hard to suggest what the fix is if we don't know more about problem
[07:23] <coreymon77> what can i say, iwconfig says im connected and my essid and wep key are all correct
[07:24] <coreymon77> but i cant access my router or the eentarwebb
[07:24] <EvilIdler> Wireless is one field I am completely clueless in. My DS *sometimes* connects. That's all I know :)
[07:25] <EvilIdler> Wireless and databases is what I avoid most.
[07:25] <MasterEvilLaptop> I don't think it's a router problem
[07:25] <MasterEvilLaptop> he says his network connects fine
[07:25] <coreymon77>  what is going on here
[07:25] <MasterEvilLaptop> he just can't visit outside network
[07:25] <coreymon77> insane windoze is disconnecting me all the time
[07:26] <MasterEvilLaptop> lmao
[07:27] <EvilIdler> Hmm..sound like it IS the router.
[07:27] <coreymon77>  does anyone know wtf my crazy computer in disconnecting form the server
[07:27] <EvilIdler> If you get a local address but no traffic outside the LAN, the router might not be letting your MAC out.
[07:28] <EvilIdler> With my own router, I set my MAC IDs as DMZ and was done with it.
[07:28] <martinjh99> Will there be a standard DVD edition of 6.06..?
[07:28] <EvilIdler> Then I reject access by any unknown IDs. No need for authentication then, really.
[07:28] <coreymon77> martin, the point of dvd is it has both live and install
[07:28] <martinjh99> Corey thats what I meant yeah.. ;)
[07:28] <coreymon77> are you guys all talking about my problem
[07:29] <martinjh99> Standard as in the same as the Breezy DVD I've got...
[07:29] <kakalto> hiya
[07:29] <kakalto> how do I change what starts on startup?
[07:29] <robotgeek> damn, got disconnected
[07:29] <kakalto> like, stop cups from starting, stuff like that
[07:29] <coreymon77> answer soon b/c f**kdows is gonna go crazy again soon
[07:30] <robotgeek> coreymon77: hmm, i pointed you to a link
[07:30] <EvilIdler> He might have missed it while offline.
[07:30] <kkathman> hi there robotgeek :)
[07:31] <EvilIdler> If the system he's using now is the same he's trying to use Linux on, I suspect hardware trouble, plain and simple.
[07:31] <robotgeek> also, there is a troubleshooting guide for wireless, but i can't help you if you cant read it while debugging
[07:31] <robotgeek> hey kkathman , how goes it
[07:32] <kakalto> anyone?
[07:32] <coreymon77>   v  guys, im about to give up here because this always happens
[07:32] <coreymon77> my internet problems
[07:32] <coreymon77> for crying out loud, my broadcom card worked better
[07:32] <EvilIdler> coreymon77: Are you in Windows on the same computer where you're having Linux trouble?
[07:32] <coreymon77> yup
[07:32] <kakalto> under gentoo, it's easy - rc-update {add,del} <package> (default)
[07:33] <EvilIdler> Seems like you have some broken hardware there.
[07:33] <coreymon77> two different hds though
[07:33] <EvilIdler> No amount of OS perfection will fix it then ;)
[07:33] <kakalto> but there's no rc-update I can find on [k] ubuntu
[07:33] <robotgeek> kakalto: all you would need to do is sudo update-rc.d foo remove
[07:33] <robotgeek> kakalto: while being in the /etc/init.d directory
[07:33] <coreymon77> iit worked in breezy though
[07:33] <kakalto> robotgeek: kewl, thanks. can I list them through that command, too?
[07:33] <EvilIdler> coreymon77: But since then you've also started having trouble in Windows. I see a connection there.
[07:34] <robotgeek> kakalto: all system services are started from there, mostly
[07:34] <kkathman> robotgeek: okie dokie...traveling alot..just got back from a week in Nashville.
[07:34] <kakalto> robotgeek, but can I list them... at the moment, more or less all I know to remove is cupsd..
[07:35] <kakalto> just ls in /etc/init.d/ ?
[07:35] <robotgeek> kakalto: no, cd /etc/init.d , sudo update-rc.d --force cups remove (i think)
[07:36] <coreymon77> when i get to 0 i give up
[07:36] <coreymon77> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[07:36] <coreymon77> -*--------------------------------------------------------------------
[07:36] <coreymon77> *********************************************
[07:36] <coreymon77> 9999999999999999999999999999999999999
[07:36] <kakalto> robotgeek, to _list_ all things in the boot?
[07:36] <coreymon77> 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888
[07:36] <coreymon77> 7777777777777777777777777777777777
[07:36] <MasterEvilLaptop> amarok takes a long damned time to load a huge network folder of music
[07:36] <kkathman> uhmmm is this necessary?
[07:36] <kkathman> thanx robotgeek
[07:36] <robotgeek> coreymon77: please don't do that
[07:37] <critter> what a loser
[07:37] <coreymon77> im gone /quit sorry, im just being annoying so ill leave now
[07:37] <kakalto> robotgeek, for example, there's something to do with 'battery' in the boot, but... I have no idea what it's called
[07:38] <robotgeek> kakalto: i know there is gnome gui to handle system services, not sure about kde gui.
[07:38] <Bilford> 
[07:38] <kakalto> robotgeek, what about a CLI?
[07:38] <kakalto> or just some files?
[07:38] <kakalto> I'm without GUI at the mo
[07:39] <robotgeek> kakalto: okay, what exactly do you want to do?
[07:39] <MasterEvilLaptop> konversation is awesome
[07:39] <scarn> is there a concrete date for 6.06 release?
[07:39] <MasterEvilLaptop> the color coded names is brilliant
[07:39] <MasterEvilLaptop> June 1st
[07:39] <scarn> nice
[07:39] <MasterEvilLaptop> concrete can be broken with a jackhammer though
[07:39] <kakalto> robotgeek: I want to find out all the things that start on bootup, and disable all unnecessary things (eg, cups, battery, APM)
[07:39] <MasterEvilLaptop> just keep that in mind
[07:39] <scarn> true dat
[07:39] <scarn> < mason lol
[07:40] <robotgeek> kakalto: almost all relevant services are in /etc/init.d, man update-rc.d for syntax  (sorry, i don't have access to my buntu machine currently
[07:41] <kakalto> robotgeek, perhaps it would be easier for me to simply install the GTK app for managing this stuff?
[07:41] <kakalto> what's it called
[07:42] <robotgeek> kakalto: i think its called bum
[07:42] <kakalto> hehe
[07:42] <kakalto> righto then
[07:42] <MasterEvilLaptop> boot up manager
[07:42] <kakalto> I'll see what I can do
[07:42] <kakalto> I still find myself trying to emerge
[07:42] <kakalto> yep, bum exists
[07:43] <kakalto> by the way, is the (k)ubuntu livecd the same as install these days?
[07:43] <kakalto> did they actually integrate it?
[07:43] <MasterEvilLaptop> you can install thrfough live cd
[07:43] <MasterEvilLaptop> so sure?
[07:43] <kakalto> ahk
[07:44] <kakalto> oh, and shipit is for kubuntu aswell? yay
[07:44] <MasterEvilLaptop> what is shipit
[07:44] <Bilford> yes, you only need the CD
[07:44] <kakalto> O_o
[07:44] <Bilford> the LiveCD has an icon on the desktop for Install
[07:44] <kakalto> shipit.... ship it... to your house
[07:44] <scarn> shipit, you can get pressed cds of k/ubuntu sent to you
[07:45] <scarn> FREE!
[07:45] <MasterEvilLaptop> that's awesome
[07:45] <kakalto> do both come in the same pack now, or is it just 1 cd?
[07:45] <MasterEvilLaptop> kubuntu is so cool
[07:45] <Bilford> yes
[07:45] <kakalto> oh yeah, free, too ^-^
[07:45] <Bilford> you only need the 1 LiveCD
[07:45] <scarn> ;p
[07:45] <kakalto> 1 cd for {k,u}buntu, install + live??
[07:45] <Bilford> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/
[07:45] <Bilford> right
[07:46] <MasterEvilLaptop> photoshop has to be run via wine, right? is it pretty stable and works fine?
[07:46] <Bilford> PC (Intel x86) desktop CD for most people
[07:46] <Bilford> yes Photoshop appears to work, with only minor annoyances
[07:46] <Bilford> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=1815
[07:47] <kakalto> ahh, desktop and alternate
[07:47] <kakalto> are both shipped?
[07:48] <Bilford> I dont know
[07:48] <Bilford> You only need Desktop
[07:48] <kakalto> I can't check, I can't access https links at the mo
[07:48] <Bilford> the LiveCD is both a LiveCD and installation CD
[07:49] <sheldonc> ugh, photoshop. i'd want something closer to macromedia fireworks
[07:49] <Bilford> That works too
[07:49] <kakalto> well, the desktop cd doesn't support upgrade well does it? the alternate one says it's for upgrade
[07:49] <critter> for must have apps i would consider using vmware; it is fantastic
[07:49] <Bilford> No, Fireowrks doesnt work
[07:49] <critter> highly recommended
[07:50] <critter> and it runs much faster than you would expect
[07:50] <Bilford> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?versionId=2641
[07:50] <Bilford> dont you have to install Windows in VMWare to run anything on it?
[07:50] <critter> yes
[07:50] <Bilford> eww
[07:50] <critter> you run windows virtually through vmware
[07:50] <Bilford> Im done activating
[07:50] <critter> i'm just saying for the must have apps that do not work with wine
[07:50] <Bilford> Im tired of getting activation keys
[07:50] <critter> vmware is an excellent option
[07:51] <Bilford> trying to find my serial number, etc
[07:51] <critter> hehe
[07:51] <critter> i hear ya
[07:51] <Bilford> but...
[07:51] <sheldonc> im guessing we're trying to win over windows users?
[07:51] <Bilford> with VMWare, does virtually everything run in it?
[07:51] <EvilIdler> I've tried Win4Lin on an irregular basis, and it's also damn impressive.
[07:52] <critter> everything will run on vmware
[07:52] <critter> everything.
[07:52] <EvilIdler> Direct3D also?
[07:52] <kakalto> you actually install the OS onto vmware
[07:52] <sheldonc> what apps in windows do you find yourself missing?
[07:52] <critter> yes, not quite as fast as you would like
[07:52] <critter> but it will run
[07:52] <sheldonc> i mean what apps in linux do you find yourself missing
[07:52] <kakalto> but, since it's emulating a whole computer, it does slow a bit
[07:52] <kakalto> sheldonc: who are ya asking?
[07:53] <critter> true, there are specific drivers you can install to speed things up though, i have found overall, aside from gaming, it is totally usable
[07:53] <sheldonc> anybody who is running wine or vmware or whatever
[07:53] <Bilford> well, I only miss them because Ive been using them forever
[07:53] <Bilford> I only switched to Linux 2 weeks ago
[07:53] <EvilIdler> For just running a compiler, I'd prefer W4L. I have XP already, though, and some variation of Visual Studio.
[07:53] <Bilford> for instance, I was a heavy NewsLeecher user
[07:53] <_tom_> you can install windows vista ultimate edition it doesnt require activation
[07:53] <kakalto> sheldonc, I myself... only miss windows for games. and cedega's doing a pretty good job of that for me
[07:53] <kakalto> apart from Oblivion >.<
[07:54] <Bilford> I'd also like to be able to par2 repair files just by clicking on them, instead of running QuickPar in Wine
[07:54] <critter> flashfxp, has no true equivalent in linux yet, though i suppose fxp clients are a dying breed
[07:54] <EvilIdler> Linux for work, Windows for games. In other words, two computers needed.
[07:54] <kakalto> otherwise, it tends to be me missing features/apps in windows, from linux..
[07:54] <_tom_> i like filezilla
[07:54] <kakalto> the middle-click drag thing.... and amarok
[07:54] <critter> cant compare to flashfxp though tom
[07:54] <critter> flashfxp for those in the warez scene is a must
[07:54] <Bilford> How many games does one really need?
[07:54] <kakalto> Bilford: as many as you can get :P
[07:54] <Bilford> Linux has enough games to last anyone a lifetime
[07:55] <critter> not that i support that kind of activity though
[07:55] <critter> ;)
[07:55] <kakalto> Bilford, AFAIK, 90% of linux games are small, arcade style things...
[07:55] <Lynoure> Bilford: Hardly, if one likes adventure games...
[07:55] <sheldonc> Gah. RPGs are lame, nobody has made a good RTS in years (Total Annihilation is the best game ever), and FPS is good enough - and hassle free - on a console.
[07:55] <critter> another app i would love to see ported is newsleecher, pan is nice, but the supersearch in newsleecher is a must
[07:55] <_tom_> theres a free total annihilation clone
[07:55] <EvilIdler> I have a stack of PS2 games large enough to last a lifetime, or at least 3 years (which is the console's lifetime, anyway). But another stack for Windows, and a smaller one for Linux..
[07:55] <critter> and theres no linux equivalent for that, yet
[07:56] <sheldonc> _tom_:  ?
[07:56] <_tom_> critter what you gonna leech
[07:56] <EvilIdler> TA is indeed the best ever RTS.
[07:56] <_tom_> sheldonc: i dont remember what its called sadly
[07:56] <sheldonc> :(
[07:56] <critter> lets just say i do my fair share of moving bits _tom_
[07:56] <EvilIdler> critter: Seems like you only mis programs used for infringement of various copyrights :P
[07:56] <critter> hehe
[07:56] <_tom_> TA Spring
[07:56] <critter> i know!
[07:56] <_tom_> is what its called
[07:56] <critter> maybe its a sign
[07:56] <Lynoure> critter: there is some programs for getting binaries from USENET...
[07:57] <_tom_> critter: hellanzb is popular and python
[07:57] <critter> yea, but i'm specifically talking about the supersearch option newsleecher has
[07:57] <critter> there is no equivalent to that yet
[07:57] <robotgeek> hmm, i would suggest people to keep illegal/warez talk off here
[07:57] <EvilIdler> BitTorrent gets me my old TV shows (and some new ones). I mainly play online games, so I buy them.
[07:57] <_tom_> yeah i know robotgeek
[07:57] <EvilIdler> Damn, I'm legal and uncool :(
[07:57] <_tom_> i was wondering whats with all the filez talk
[07:57] <sheldonc> making a free TA clone would be damn hard. at least, it would be hard to make it flawless
[07:57] <_tom_> sheldonc: ta spring
[07:58] <critter> i run vmware for those two apps alone, and a few others i need
[07:58] <_tom_> listen to me someday
[07:58] <Lynoure> robotgeek: By default, there is nothing illegal in getting binaries from usenet, though, true, many of the binaries are there illegally
[07:58] <_tom_> loook it up on wikipedia
[07:58] <EvilIdler> sheldonc: Yet there are two projects. Just hoping one of them actually "finishes"
[07:58] <robotgeek> Lynoure: i was merely suggesting to keep illegal talk away from this channel (in case)
[07:58] <imbrandon> even so can we please keep this on topic ( kubuntu support ) /me points to #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:58] <EvilIdler> My ISP doesn't carry *any* binary groups because of the possibilities, and because they have traffic stats from past incarnations
[07:58] <critter> dapper is pretty though, xgl is going to be the shit
[07:58] <Bilford> why isnt Linux burning the midnight oil making something that will make Windows games compatible?  then more users could switch, and with more users, game companies would start developing for Linux
[07:59] <EvilIdler> So Pan would be enough for me :)
[07:59] <critter> i tried xgl out last week, i was really impressed
[07:59] <Bilford> There's only  Cedega
[07:59] <kakalto> is dapper actually based on xgl? or just available?
[07:59] <Bilford> which isnt free
[07:59] <Lynoure> robotgeek: luckily not much talk is illegal, but sure.
[07:59] <critter> its available, you got to do some editing by hand
[07:59] <crimsun> kakalto: availabel in universe.
[07:59] <imbrandon> kakalto: avaible
[07:59] <critter> etch will use xgl though
[07:59] <critter> its a definite
[07:59] <EvilIdler> Bilford: It is free if you compile, but you need to pay for copy-protection support for so many reasons.
[07:59] <Bilford> Games are everything
[07:59] <EvilIdler> Yet another thing against protection by anything other than a license key.
[07:59] <imbrandon> Bilford: not to everyone
[08:00] <critter> i haven't gamed since quake2
[08:00] <critter> i am out of the loop
[08:00] <crimsun> games are very much /not/ the reason Linux took off
[08:00] <Bilford> Games built the home computer industry
[08:00] <sheldonc> too many of my friends have their lives devoured by gaming
[08:00] <critter> hahaha
[08:00] <EvilIdler> Glimmer, GCC, mediaplayers, Quanta, a debugger and the core X tools. That's all I *need* from Linux distros. Everything else just makes it more fun :)
[08:00] <critter> i second that sheldonc
[08:01] <imbrandon> even so can we please keep this on topic ( kubuntu support ) /me points to #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:01] <critter> addicts!
[08:01] <kakalto> Bilford: as I see it, there simply isn't enough developers who have the knowledge and drive to make a completely OSS & free directx implementation
[08:01] <EvilIdler> I know several 8-16 hours a day gamers. Need to convert them to Linux so they can use their copious spare time for good :)
[08:01] <imbrandon> kakalto: check out cedega
[08:01] <imbrandon> ^^ dx9
[08:01] <kakalto> critter: didn't quake2 suck? I thought quake1 was better xD
[08:01] <Lynoure> I have been planning to make an adventure game for Linux for quite some time
[08:01] <critter> get them away from the consoles and get them learning C
[08:02] <Lynoure> But alas, no graphics artist...
[08:02] <kakalto> imbrandon: Bilford was complaining about open, free directx emul
[08:02] <critter> quake1 with opengl was the shit, il never forget the first time i saw that
[08:02] <critter> "no pixels!"
[08:02] <imbrandon> kakalto: its open source and free ( although yes there IS a payfor version )
[08:02] <EvilIdler> Mmm..glQuake+Voodoo on Linux. That was how Quake was meant to be.
[08:02] <_tom_> my main computer is an ibook runnning linux
[08:02] <kakalto> imbrandon: in my experience, the CVS version quite simply sucks.
[08:02] <_tom_> i mean osx
[08:02] <critter> haha i think i bought a voodoo rush specifically for quake1
[08:03] <imbrandon> kakalto: but its there ;)
[08:03] <EvilIdler> critter: That was pretty much all I had to test it with back then, too :)
[08:03] <EvilIdler> Now I just dug up Descent 2 files from deep in my piles of old crap.
[08:03] <kakalto> imbrandon: heheh. true I suppose... but it's not exactly inviting for people to switch... "you just have to use CVS to install this emulator which will let you install & play your windows games...
[08:03] <kakalto> "
[08:04] <critter> they made an opengl port for duke nukem3d
[08:04] <EvilIdler> I tested the Torque Game Builder fish-demo (which uses GL lighting), and verified my 3D is working perfectly well.
[08:04] <critter> so i have been playing that now and then
[08:04] <kakalto> critter: they did?
[08:04] <critter> for old school purposes
[08:04] <critter> yea
[08:04] <kakalto> SHOW ME PLUEASE! xD
[08:04] <critter> google jonof duke3d
[08:04] <EvilIdler> GL Duke Nukem? Where?
[08:04] <Bilford> to update everything I just type  sudo apt-get update    right
[08:04] <imbrandon> games talk ( even linux ) please to #kubuntu-offtopic ( so we can not clutter the support channel )
[08:04] <kakalto> critter: how good is it?
[08:04] <critter> they had internet play working, it was pretty cool
[08:05] <imbrandon> Bilford:  no you need "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:05] <Bilford> oh ty
[08:05] <EvilIdler> No Linux port..yet
[08:06] <critter> yea, i ran it on XP
[08:06] <critter> there may be a linux port somewhere though im not sure
[08:07] <EvilIdler> Didn't this Fowler guy do a sort of port of a reverse-engineered Frontier:First Encounters?
[08:07] <critter> its possible, i know he has worked on a few games
[08:07] <critter> i have talked to him on aim before, he usually responds to messages
[08:07] <vinboy> hi
[08:07] <vinboy> how do I use my KDE theme?
[08:07] <vinboy> i downloaded 1 from the net, but dunno where to put it
[08:08] <|brad|> wow
[08:08] <imbrandon> follow the README for the file, there are alot of diffrent ways to install them depending on what it is
[08:08] <|brad|> kubuntu is pretty damn sweet
[08:08] <imbrandon> |brad|: ;)
[08:09] <|brad|> what a change from slackware
[08:09] <EvilIdler> Slackware is recommended for learning.
[08:09] <EvilIdler> It was my first distro :)
[08:09] <|brad|> i put a cd in and it mounted itself? are serious
[08:09] <imbrandon> yes
[08:09] <critter> haha
[08:09] <EvilIdler> Scary, isn't it?
[08:09] <critter> hahaha
[08:09] <EvilIdler> It'
[08:09] <EvilIdler> It's like it *knows* you want to use the disc!
[08:09] <|brad|> EvilIdler: it was my first too
[08:10] <imbrandon> haha
[08:10] <critter> every distro has its advantages, but lets face it, ubuntu is just damn convenient
[08:10] <EvilIdler> My WinXP installation has stopped recognising discs after the first one..
[08:10] <imbrandon> and kubuntu is pretty ;)
[08:10] <critter> yea, kubuntu is lookin pretty
[08:10] <critter> dapper has really impressed me
[08:10] <critter> i'm officially on the wagon
[08:10] <|brad|> but whats up with mp3 support? i saw in the faq you have to install some extra packages?
[08:10] <EvilIdler> Lots of ridiculously over-designed themes to get :)
[08:11] <critter> you have to install multimedia codecs seperatyl
[08:11] <imbrandon> |brad|, yup
[08:11] <critter> add them to your sources
[08:11] <imbrandon> !restricted
[08:11] <ubotu> [restricted]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[08:11] <critter> its due to licensing issues
[08:11] <kevii> anyone familar with Wifi in kubuntu? I have my wireless nic associated with a AP but I can't get an ip from my DHCP server
[08:11] <|brad|> i figured thats what the deal was
[08:11] <EvilIdler> Or fear of licensing, in the case of MP3. The MAD decoder is technically not infringing in one respect.
[08:11] <Lynoure> kevii: WEP/WPA/neither?
[08:11] <imbrandon> brad check that link for mp3 stuff
[08:11] <kevii> Lynoure: none
[08:12] <critter> just follow the faq, might take 5 minutes to get everything going with the multimedia
[08:12] <MasterEvilAce> damnit why does simple stuff have to be so difficult? Samba is NOT auto-mounting, despite me telling it to auto-mount
[08:12] <kevii> MasterEvilAce: because then it wouldn't be Linux :)
[08:12] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, make sure its above your cdrom in fstab
[08:13] <EvilIdler> Linux: Simple stuff becomes hard, but impossible stuff becomes doable :)
[08:13] <Lynoure> kevii: hmm, then I have no idea, many things could be wrong.
[08:13] <kevii> exactly
[08:13] <EvilIdler> The (K)Ubuntu desktop is very simple to use, though.
[08:14] <EvilIdler> Such a relief to have auto-recognised media, just plugging in my headset to attempt some swearing over TeamSpeak etc.
[08:14] <Lynoure> kevii: I'd start with checking that you AP really offers dhcp, then check the logs for errors about the wifi drivers
[08:14] <imbrandon> and check the wiki too
[08:14] <imbrandon> !wifi
[08:14] <ubotu> hmm... wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[08:15] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, and prank calls with skype ;)
[08:16] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Hehe
[08:16] <kevii> Lynoure: I know it does dhcp. the wired nic is working just fine :) if I do ifup eth0 (my wireless nic) it just sits there waiting for a dhcp reply
[08:16] <EvilIdler> kevii: Try 'dhclient eth0'
[08:16] <EvilIdler> kevii: It that gives you an IP address, netmask and DNS, you have a few minor changes to make in the config file
[08:20] <word> I just started installing dapper and the partitioner doesn't work..what can i do to fix it?
[08:20] <imbrandon> RC ?
[08:21] <word> flight 7 i believe i talked with you before imbrandon and you told me i needed to update 3 packages but it wasn't fixing it
[08:21] <imbrandon> ahhh well RC is out and it fixes the flight 7 partition bug
[08:21] <_kevii> well wireless works now...
[08:22] <_kevii> thanks
[08:22] <_kevii> now that I got it working... to upgrade to 6.06 or just reinstall
[08:22] <word> well i can't burn a new one >< any way i can do it with flight 7 ?
[08:22] <imbrandon> not unless those 3 package updates worked
[08:23] <imbrandon> there are ALOT of other bug fixes too , i would highly reomend grabbing it
[08:23] <imbrandon> or reverting to an older cd and updating later
[08:24] <word> do you remember what those 3 packages were?
[08:25] <imbrandon> no i sure dont , sorry ( i asked the dev at the time but he is not online atm )
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> [02:14]  <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, make sure its above your cdrom in fstab
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> How does it make a difference?
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> I will try that however
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> in hopes that it will work
[08:29] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, i dunno why it works just know thats what i have to do with mine
[08:30] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: restarting. I hope it works. That would be fantastic. Also, do you get a desktop icon for the share?
[08:30] <imbrandon> yes
[08:30] <MasterEvilAce> there a way to get rid of it?
[08:30] <MasterEvilAce> or hide it
[08:31] <imbrandon> yes there is , i'll let you know if it works ( look at my icons http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png )
[08:31] <imbrandon> 3rd one down is a smb share
[08:31] <MasterEvilAce> I see
[08:32] <MasterEvilAce> that's exactly what i'm doing
[08:32] <imbrandon> anyhow ... rightclick configure desktop
[08:32] <imbrandon> choose behaveure ... then on that screen choose device icons tab
[08:32] <imbrandon> you can uncheck it from there
[08:33] <imbrandon> uncheck the "Mounted/Unmounted Samba ( Microsoft Network) Share" options
[08:34] <imbrandon> and others you dont want shown on the desktio
[08:34] <imbrandon> desktop
[08:36] <serenity> hi
[08:36] <imbrandon> 'hello
[08:38] <MasterEvilAce> hey
[08:38] <imbrandon> ?
[08:38] <serenity> i have installed the closed-source nvidia-drivers, edited the xorg conf file, but no change has been done
[08:38] <imbrandon> restart x ?
[08:39] <serenity> yes, i restarted the x-server ;)
[08:39] <imbrandon> what change did you expect ?
[08:39] <serenity> frequency of my crt
[08:40] <imbrandon> ok i'm sorry i must have missed you orig convorastion, what did you do ( exactly ) and what are you trying to accomplish , and why do you think is t not working ?>
[08:40] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: Thanks, that did hide the icon (awesome tip).. however putting the share above the cdrom drive didn't auto-mount it, still
[08:41] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, can you pastebin your fstab ?
[08:41] <serenity> installed nvidia closed source drivers, edited the xorg conf and restarted x-server
[08:41] <MasterEvilAce> sure hold on
[08:42] <imbrandon> serenity, ok lets try to be a bit more specific, did you get and compile them from the website, if so was it successfull , or did you apt-get install nvidia-glx, exactly HOW did you edit the xorg.conf etc etc etc and what make you say that the drivers isnt working , IE what test did you use ?
[08:43] <macd> :P
[08:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:43] <macd> thats rite still not luck with ATI
[08:43] <serenity> driver works correctly, the nvidia logo is shown on x-server starts.
[08:44] <macd> however Xorg logs dont indicate a single error.
[08:44] <imbrandon> serenity, if nvidia works on xserver start then the nvidia driver is working
[08:44] <imbrandon> err logo shows on start
[08:44] <imbrandon> then its working
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: http://www.pastebin.com/738754
[08:44] <serenity>         Option          "NvAgp"                 "1"
[08:44] <serenity>         Option          "RenderAccel"           "true"
[08:44] <serenity>         Option          "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[08:44] <imbrandon> serenity, please dont paste here
[08:44] <serenity> sry
[08:45] <macd> MasterEvilAce: I think you need to specify a username:password , or a credentials file.
[08:45] <imbrandon> macd, hold on lemme fix that up for you , one sec
[08:45] <imbrandon> err MasterEvilAce
[08:47] <serenity> http://pastebin.com/738759
[08:47] <serenity> this sections were edited
[08:47] <macd> MasterEvilAce: http://pastebin.com/738760 thats my solution, imbrandon prolly has another as well :)
[08:48] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce,  ...... http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/master.fstab ..... that is like mine and it auto mounts
[08:49] <imbrandon> on bootup
[08:49] <macd> or mount -a ?
[08:50] <imbrandon> macd, i never use mount -a ,i just let it mount on boot ( its a files server i'm connecting to )
[08:50] <imbrandon> so i dunno ;)
[08:50] <macd> yeah I try to but sometimes my fileserver here isnt on, so a lil mount -a solves that
[08:50] <imbrandon> guess i could umount it and try
[08:51] <imbrandon> ahhh my file server is my webserver and mail server etc so if its not on i got bigger probs ;)
[08:51] <macd> your way works I just tried, Im just not to keen on having my usernames/passes in a file viewable by nonroot :P
[08:51] <imbrandon> macd, i have a special smb user setup
[08:51] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:52] <macd> but that doesnt stop someone from seeing that in /etc/fstab
[08:52] <imbrandon> yea but they have to GET to my fstab first
[08:52] <macd> well actualy I dont think anyone but you would anywho :P
[08:52] <imbrandon> and physical security i dont worry about
[08:53] <imbrandon> if someone is broke in my house i dont care about my mp3/ogg collection
[08:53] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:53] <macd> haha
[08:53] <macd> unless its the riaa
[08:53] <imbrandon> lol true
[08:53] <GazzaK> god i'm tired...
[08:54] <macd> ya know the riaa and mpaa are going crazy these days
[08:54] <serenity> riaa is breaking in someones house? Never mind the mp3s
[08:54] <imbrandon> hahahaha
[08:54] <macd> well _they_ seem to think they are law enforcement
[08:55] <imbrandon> more artist need to goto indy labels but this is offtopic ;)
[08:55] <imbrandon> anyhow serenity whats not working for you now? if the nv logo is showing the driver is working
[08:57] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, did that work for ya ?
[09:00] <EvilIdler> Ooh..PlantStudio is soon to be GPLed, for those of you looking for more graphical tools.
[09:01] <serenity> gf woke up...mom
[09:02] <imbrandon> you gf woke up your mom ?
[09:06] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: give me a second
[09:07] <imbrandon> np, was just curious
[09:09] <riri> hi nixternal
[09:09] <riri> not "dodo" yet ?
[09:09] <riri> i am testing dapper 7 for few days now ... really the best !!!
[09:10] <GazzaK> dapper 7?
[09:10] <GazzaK> I thought it was dapper 6.06 still
[09:10] <riri> not the daily one
[09:10] <riri> i mean on kubuntu website they said dapper 7
[09:11] <riri> the last before the final :)
[09:11] <GazzaK> blimey, only yesterday I got the latest build and I was sure it said 6.06?  i'll check
[09:11] <riri> yes
[09:11] <riri> you are right you probably got a daily one ?
[09:11] <PyroMithrandir> riri probably means flight 7
[09:12] <riri> o yes sorry
[09:12] <PyroMithrandir> :)
[09:12] <riri> humble apologize ! lol
[09:12] <GazzaK> ahhhh, yes flight 7, hehe
[09:12] <imbrandon> 6.06 is the version, be probbly means "Dapper Drake 6.06 LTS - Flight 7 Beta"
[09:12] <GazzaK> d'oh, I should have realised, but I have a headache and needed more sleep
[09:12] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:12] <PyroMithrandir> 6.06 means June 2006 :)
[09:12] <riri> lol
[09:13] <riri> so take some medicine
[09:13] <riri> and stop kubuntu till fresh :)
[09:13] <GazzaK> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) Release Candidate is the latest - it's a RC :)
[09:13] <imbrandon> besides flight 7 is old, RC is released ;)
[09:13] <riri> lol
[09:13] <GazzaK> when did that come out?
[09:13] <imbrandon> today ;)
[09:13] <riri> i just downloaded the last 6.06 which correct partitioning
[09:14] <riri> lol
[09:14] <GazzaK> wow
[09:14] <riri> guys things go to quickly
[09:14] <GazzaK> thats gonna need downloading for my new laptop which is due today
[09:14] <riri> i will still spend a cd !
[09:14] <imbrandon> riri,  thats how things go with betas
[09:14] <riri> yes i know
[09:14] <riri> and i appreciate it
[09:14] <imbrandon> riri, and the final will be released in a few more days
[09:15] <riri> as long as beta are good quality like this one
[09:15] <GazzaK> now, should I wait....... naaaa
[09:15] <imbrandon> on the first to be exact
[09:15] <riri> pity i go to paris ! lol
[09:15] <riri> maybe i have time to download it before...
[09:15] <imbrandon> GazzaK, you can just apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade from RC to release
[09:15] <riri> to tell you the truth i never read topic too quick
[09:16] <riri> can i too ?
[09:16] <imbrandon> riri, just type /topic to read it again
[09:16] <imbrandon> yes riri you can too
[09:16] <riri> thanks
[09:16] <riri> i am newby with irc
[09:17] <GazzaK> imbrandon: i'm funny like that, i'd rather do a clean install - dunno why
[09:18] <riri> yes... but i choose to try it now ! lol
[09:18] <riri> before kubuntu i had xp in dual with mandriva
[09:18] <riri> now i have "kubuntu " lol
[09:18] <riri> so i can spare one hard disk
[09:19] <mcquaid> hello, i'm trying to install the 2.0beta of ktorrent. the site provides a ubuntu pkg but i get this error:
[09:19] <mcquaid>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[09:19] <mcquaid> same thing happened when compiling from source
[09:19] <imbrandon> mcquaid, looks like its not compatible atm
[09:20] <imbrandon> probbly why its still a beta
[09:20] <mcquaid> hmm, why does kdelibs-data brom a minelink for bittorrents?
[09:20] <riri> so upgrade is started :)
[09:20] <imbrandon> it has the mimelinks for alot of things
[09:21] <mcquaid> have a mimelink
[09:21] <mcquaid> seems like a very minor thing though, should be ok if I force it
[09:21] <GazzaK> I can't belive this live cd is running so well, left it running stuff last night when I went home, and it was fine this morning :)
[09:21] <imbrandon> heh
[09:22] <GazzaK> funny though, it wants me to do 23 updates - think that might be kinda hard on a live cd
[09:22] <imbrandon> you can do them it will just take up the ram
[09:22] <GazzaK> yeah, thats so not gonna happen
[09:23] <GazzaK> this laptop has a gig, but thats for me :)
[09:23] <imbrandon> lol
[09:23] <riri>  very qucik done : adept did the job this morning i guess
[09:23] <GazzaK> and if one of those updates wants a reboot? :p
[09:23] <riri> 19 packets only
[09:23] <imbrandon> updates ? reboot? this isnt windows ;)
[09:23] <riri> lol
[09:23] <GazzaK> if it's a kernel update?
[09:24] <imbrandon> that would be the only thing and then you dont HAVE to
[09:24] <GazzaK> recently on my home ubuntu install I have had plenty of updates wanting reboots after
[09:24] <imbrandon> kernel updates
[09:24] <GazzaK> notice the wanting reboots, not needing reboots, thats MS's way :p
[09:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:24] <riri> how can i get rid in grub of many boot options ?
[09:25] <GazzaK> gotta love this OS though
[09:25] <imbrandon> sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:25] <riri> better you hardly can find better one !!
[09:25] <riri> thanks im
[09:25] <|brad|> yea i dont think there is anyway im going back to slackware
[09:25] <imbrandon> im<tab> hehehe
[09:26] <riri> i will do kath nano i can't use
[09:26] <imbrandon> |brad|, and thats just the first day, wait till you get "used" to it ;)
[09:26] <|brad|> heh
[09:26] <imbrandon> once you learn the ubuntu way ther is no other ;)
[09:27] <riri> no doubt i begin to be conviced
[09:27] <imbrandon> riri, the use "kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst"
[09:27] <GazzaK> if I were to ask the dreaded question "whats better, ubuntu or kubuntu?" would that be a really stupid thing to ask on a kubuntu channel?
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> yes
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> very stupid
[09:27] <imbrandon> kubuntu !?!!!!!
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> infact you should leave to avoid laughter
[09:27] <riri> lol
[09:27] <imbrandon> lol
[09:27] <|brad|> hrmm  i wonder if my media card works
[09:27] <GazzaK> MasterEvilAce: thats not nice
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> you should change your name too
[09:27] <riri> depends if you like gnome or kde ?
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> hehe
[09:27] <imbrandon> lol
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> GazzaK: you asked.. i just told you:P
[09:28] <imbrandon> serouisly kubuntu rocks ;)
[09:28] <riri> i used to like gnome better because the manager (vista like) but since crystal on kde i am delighted
[09:28] <GazzaK> I've got ubutu at home, and like it, but i'm running this live cd here at work, and I like it too, but for different reasons
[09:28] <imbrandon> GazzaK, pop a ubuntu live cd in and try it though, each has it own
[09:29] <imbrandon> riri, then you would like my kde theme ( http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png )
[09:29] <riri> i found a green island picture with blue sea !
[09:29] <riri> thanks
[09:29] <|brad|> i always wanted to try out ubuntu but never liked gnome... then i found out about this.
[09:29] <GazzaK> imbrandon: i've only used linux for a month, but in that time I've had local installs of breezy, both flavours and dapper, both flavours, and like both kde and gnome, but can't figure out which I like more
[09:29] <imbrandon> kde <3
[09:30] <riri> it looks like suse ?
[09:30] <shanky> hi, I'm having problems with accents in OpenOffice2 with kubuntu dapper
[09:30] <imbrandon> riri, thats kubuntu dapper 6.06 LTS ;)
[09:30] <riri> ok
[09:31] <riri> one on the web (kde-look) made suse and when on mandriva i could use it
[09:31] <MasterEvilAce> ?
[09:31] <imbrandon> i did that theme from scratch by hand
[09:31] <MasterEvilAce> the visual style is just KDE or Gnome
[09:31] <shanky> the accents are working in konsole, kate, konqueror... but not in openoffice
[09:31] <riri> but your bar is what i would like
[09:31] <MasterEvilAce> Gnome is a cleaner looks, and KDE is a more eye-candy look
[09:31] <riri> can i get it ?
[09:32] <imbrandon> riri, its kicker ( normal kde ) with the kbfx applet
[09:32] <imbrandon> and some custom images i made
[09:32] <riri> i don't know how to use kiker
[09:32] <riri> and kbfx
[09:33] <imbrandon> kicker is the "bar" in kde
[09:33] <riri> ok
[09:33] <GazzaK> I like eye candy :)
[09:33] <riri> but there is no round one in kde ?
[09:33] <riri> and no start pingouin
[09:33] <riri> tuck
[09:34] <PyroMithrandir> I disagree, MasterEvilAce, you can make KDE look very clean
[09:34] <GazzaK> kubuntu is the only one I can run without changing the default theme, ubuntu I have to change the theme asap
[09:34] <imbrandon> the penguin is a custom graphic i made for kbfx ( and applet for kicker )
[09:34] <riri> don't you share it ?
[09:34] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/kbfx/custom_kbfx/tux_start.png
[09:34] <imbrandon> riri, its not packaged up yet, i will package it up someday, but there is the image if you want to put it in your self
[09:35] <GazzaK> imbrandon: that looks very winxpish
[09:35] <|brad|> nice! media card reader works
[09:35] <riri> can you explain ? if it's not asking you too much ?
[09:35] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/kbfx/custom_kbfx/bar_bg.png and the bar bg
[09:35] <imbrandon> GazzaK, just becosue i like linux /kde dosent mean i dont like how windows LOOKS ;)
[09:35] <GazzaK> you gotta love those bouncing icons when a app is loading :)
[09:35] <PyroMithrandir> I agree with GazzaK... far too windowsy for me
[09:36] <riri> not for me
[09:36] <GazzaK> PyroMithrandir: I was not slating winxp, I was making an observation
[09:36] <riri> i can change the wall parer with mine ! lol
[09:36] <GazzaK> I've used windows for the last 8 years as a sys admin - it pays my wages, i'd not slate it too much :)
[09:36] <PyroMithrandir> GazzaK, I know, I was just taking your observation and turning it into a bash ;)
[09:36] <riri> where is the tux image for start ?
[09:37] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/kbfx/custom_kbfx/tux_start.png
[09:37] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/kbfx/custom_kbfx/bar_bg.png and the bar bg
[09:37] <imbrandon> for kicker
[09:37] <GazzaK> nooooo, windows bashing is bad, their dodgy software full of bugs pays my salary :p
[09:37] <imbrandon> ( to use the tux image you will need kbfx )
[09:37] <riri> so
[09:37] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/kbfx/kbfx-0.4.8rc2_i386.deb
[09:38] <riri> i start kbfx
[09:38] <imbrandon> noooo kbfx is an applet for kicker
[09:38] <riri> and it needs config ?
[09:38] <imbrandon> its a kmenu replacement
[09:38] <riri> can i get it with adept ?
[09:38] <imbrandon> sure
[09:38] <imbrandon> if you like
[09:39] <riri> because i can't download your file
[09:39] <imbrandon> on dapper that is ( not in breezy )
[09:39] <riri> i am on dapper
[09:39] <riri> flight 7
[09:39] <imbrandon> riri, did you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[09:39] <riri> i have nothing to loose so i installed it
[09:39] <riri> yes
[09:39] <riri> 19 pakages
[09:39] <imbrandon> then you are not on flight 7 any longer ;) your using RC
[09:40] <GazzaK> will my custom ubuntu dapper sources.list work in kubuntu dapper?
[09:40] <riri> lol
[09:40] <riri> right
[09:40] <imbrandon> GazzaK, yes
[09:40] <GazzaK> cool
[09:40] <riri> will it work on rc ?
[09:40] <imbrandon> GazzaK, ubuntu and kubuntu use the same repos
[09:40] <imbrandon> riri, yes
[09:40] <GazzaK> thats great news imbrandon, you font of all knowledge you :)
[09:40] <imbrandon> lol
[09:41] <word> imbrandon: hey is that dev on again?
[09:41] <|brad|> ok what do i have to do to install java?
[09:41] <Master_Evil_Ace> stupid internet
[09:41] <|brad|> i dont see any packages in adept
[09:41] <imbrandon> word, no
[09:41] <imbrandon> brad you need to enable universe and multiverse first then search adept for sun
[09:42] <imbrandon> once thats enabled "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre"
[09:43] <imbrandon> and then "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[09:43] <imbrandon> and choose "sun" probbly option 3 if its like mine
[09:43] <imbrandon> then your good to go
[09:43] <apokryphos> sun java isn't in universe/multiverse
[09:43] <imbrandon> apokryphos, yes it is ( now )
[09:44] <apokryphos> oh, for dapper?
[09:44] <riri> i just installed it yesterday manually
[09:44] <imbrandon> apokryphos, yes
[09:44] <apokryphos> hm, so I see.
[09:44] <riri> if i would have known !
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> ugh
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> ok auto-mount thing didn't work :(
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> but um
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> is there a way to run the desktop icon and see what IT runs?
[09:45] <GazzaK> I love the icon for my usb memory stick
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> the exact command
[09:45] <imbrandon> root@voyager:~#  apt-cache madison sun-java5-jre
[09:45] <imbrandon> sun-java5-jre | 1.5.0-06-1 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/multiverse Packages
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> well even then
[09:46] <|brad|> ok i enabled universe by following that link that was posted earlier
[09:46] <MasterEvilAce> I mean i can mount on my own.. it's just not mounting at bootup
[09:46] <imbrandon> |brad|, you on dapper correct ?
[09:46] <|brad|> but it wont let me enable multiverse? i typed it in after universe and it just kept disappearing
[09:46] <imbrandon> make your sources.list look like this http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list  <-- dapper only
[09:46] <|brad|> yes
[09:47] <imbrandon> you can edit the file by "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" and copy paste it
[09:47] <GazzaK> |brad|: are you modifying the sources.list as su?
[09:47] <|brad|> GazzaK: no i was using adept
[09:48] <imbrandon> ye use the command i showed you and paste mine in there
[09:48] <imbrandon> you can edit the file by "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" and copy paste it
[09:48] <|brad|> roger that
[09:51] <imbrandon> |brad|, make sure to run "sudo apt-get update" after you edit that file
[09:51] <tiroloco> hi
[09:51] <esben> What is the (k)ubuntu way of handling 3rd party aps, like ut2004 and their ilk? Under Gentoo you installed them as anything else, but I see no ut2004 or similar package.
[09:51] <imbrandon> 'ello
[09:51] <tiroloco> how package contain "xorgconfig"
[09:51] <tiroloco> on dapper branch
[09:51] <tiroloco> ?
[09:51] <|brad|> you guys kick ass... its installing now
[09:52] <imbrandon> tiroloco, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[09:53] <neil> I am trying to setup a printer for my new install of kubuntu, it has asked for a printing system authorization dialog.  it isn't acepting my login in name/password what does it want?
[09:53] <imbrandon> esben, depends on the app, if its not in the repos ( cant get it via apt-get ) then you probbly need to 1) compile it OR 2) get a deb from the maintainer
[09:53] <|brad|> ok this is gonna be the real test of kubuntu. if i can get this website to work i will be so happy. now matter what i did in slack this damn site would not load
[09:53] <tiroloco> imbrandon: ok
[09:53] <tiroloco> thanks
[09:53] <imbrandon> |brad|, what site ?
[09:53] <tiroloco> but and xorgconfig?
[09:53] <tiroloco> not this in dapper?
[09:54] <tiroloco> :(
[09:54] <imbrandon> nope
[09:54] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: that auto-mount /etc/fstab stuff still isn't working :(
[09:54] <imbrandon> strange MasterEvilAce works perfect for me ;(
[09:54] <Hobbsee> neil: is this a network printer?
[09:54] <esben> imbrandon: I'm unlikely to get my hands on the sourcecode of unreal tournament and games like that :) I was just wondering how to install it nicely on Kubuntu (if there is no nice way, I'll just put it under /uisr/local)
[09:54] <neil> Hobbsee: no its connect via a USB cable.
[09:55] <imbrandon> esben, well normaly if there isnt source there is install instructions , no if there isnt a deb there isnt a nice way
[09:55] <RogueJediX> esben: Get the loki installer for them. Easy as pie.
[09:55] <neil> Hobbsee: a HP deskjet 948c
[09:55] <|brad|> imbrandon: air force training site
[09:55] <riri> im : kbfx is installed with dapper
[09:55] <esben> imbrandon: kk, thanks :)
[09:55] <imbrandon> riri, yes kbfx is in the dapper repos
[09:56] <riri> it' s installed but i have  no icones
[09:56] <Hobbsee> neil: hmm, okay then.  no idea
[09:56] <RogueJediX> esben: For more info visit http://liflg.org/
[09:56] <imbrandon> its a pannel applet , right click on your "bar" and add applet , it will be on the list
[09:56] <riri> ok
[09:56] <arthurb> Hey, has anyone musicbrainz working with mp3 in amarok ?
[09:56] <riri> sorry i am slow ! lol
[09:56] <esben> RogueJediX: It's not the installing, but in Gentoo new patches etc could be installed as any other upgrade and so on, that is all :) I've gotten used to not having to check for updates myself :) But thanks, I will check that out :)
[09:57] <imbrandon> morning Hobbsee
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[09:58] <riri> i have a kbfx vista
[09:58] <imbrandon> yea thats kbfx
[09:58] <Kadran> hi
[09:58] <riri> in button skin option
[09:58] <riri> i have to put your pic ?
[09:58] <imbrandon> riri, read up on www.kbfx.org
[09:58] <imbrandon> its in kcontrol
[09:58] <riri> ok
[09:58] <imbrandon> the option
[09:58] <imbrandon> hello Kadran
[09:59] <riri> ok
[09:59] <Kadran> can the update be automatic i want kubuntu to work every day and udate it self without me even know
[09:59] <Kadran> hi imbrandon
[10:00] <imbrandon> Kadran, you could make a script and have cron run it i guess but as far as an option i doubt it
[10:00] <imbrandon> and it would be dangerious as it would have to assume "y" for installs
[10:01] <neil> I am trying to setup a USB printer in the 'printer' system config it meantions /dev/usb/lp0 etc. but I have no directory called /dev/usb is there something I need to do first?
[10:01] <Kadran> imbrandon: is there any thing to force the apt-get upgrade command and not to wait for the y?
[10:01] <imbrandon> neil, check
[10:01] <imbrandon> !printers
[10:01] <ubotu> methinks printers is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[10:02] <MasterEvilAce> imbrandon: I think i may have gotten it *crosses fingers*
[10:02] <imbrandon> Kadran, there is an option in apt-get to assume "y" for everything but again i would be carefull with it
[10:02] <xanax`> hello
[10:02] <MasterEvilAce> hello
[10:03] <Kadran> imbrandon: ok thanks alot i will try doing it now and see what happen :)
[10:03] <imbrandon> Kadran, "sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade" as a cron.daily would work
[10:03] <imbrandon> actualy
[10:04] <imbrandon> Kadran, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade" would work not the former
[10:04] <Kadran> imbrandon: will the last cammand do the update and upgrade ?
[10:04] <imbrandon> but you need to be carefull becouse that wont diffrenciate between kmess or a kernel etc
[10:04] <imbrandon> Kadran,  yes
[10:05] <Kadran> imbrandon: what is kmess?
[10:05] <apokryphos> msn for kde
[10:05] <imbrandon> kmess is a msn clone , just an example as to you not knowing whats going to get updated , as kernels require reboots etc
[10:06] <imbrandon> its possible just not "safe" ;)
[10:06] <GazzaK> does anyone have a intel graphics card?  and if so, does it work okay
[10:06] <Kadran> imbrandon: ic so i need to have a look to the log from time to time?
[10:07] <imbrandon> GazzaK, i have a built in intell 845 works great , even with xgl/compiz 3d ;)
[10:07] <imbrandon> Kadran, yes
[10:07] <Kadran> imbrandon: anyway i will take your advice and stick to the manual way :)
[10:08] <riri> im : it works even on the older bar
[10:08] <imbrandon> Kadran, it would probbbly be ok if you rebooted after the updates
[10:08] <imbrandon> GazzaK, here is what i have "0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device (rev 03)" works like a charm even for 3d
[10:09] <Kadran> imbrandon: i have added more sources from source-o-matic, would it be dangerous?
[10:09] <imbrandon> ohh yes definately then dont do it
[10:09] <GazzaK> imbrandon: great, as my new laptop, which should arrive today has a intel 930 or something, card
[10:09] <imbrandon> yea thats an 845g
[10:09] <riri> gas : lucky man :)
[10:09] <Kadran> imbrandon: thanks alot :)
[10:09] <imbrandon> Kadran, yes i would only recomend that if you use only the official sources.list
[10:10] <imbrandon> riri, if you type the first few chars of someones name and hit <tab> it will autro complete it for you
[10:10] <riri> ok
[10:10] <imbrandon> i just need an inline typo checker lol
[10:11] <GazzaK> it's one of these btw - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF06b/21675-283229-283229-283229-12434618-12115130-64938339.html
[10:11] <GazzaK> has a "Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900"
[10:11] <nixternal`zzz> good night all
[10:11] <imbrandon> i would upgrade the hdd right away but other than that hp's are nice
[10:11] <riri> gonit alone :)
[10:12] <imbrandon> 5400rpm gonna be a slow hdd
[10:12] <GazzaK> i'm not bothered about the 60Gb hard drive, at work all data is on the server, and at home it is on the NAS box
[10:12] <imbrandon> the rest looks good ;)
[10:12] <GazzaK> and it is a 2Ghz cpu and will have 2Gb ram
[10:12] <imbrandon> not realy the compasity , its the speed, 5400rpm ( thats the slowest you can get )
[10:12] <imbrandon> with that ram and proc it will be bottlenecked on the hdd
[10:12] <GazzaK> yeah, I typed my bit before you said the speed
[10:13] <GazzaK> I might have to "borrow" another hard drive then :)
[10:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:13] <imbrandon> yea 60gig is ok for a laptop, just get something faster than a 5400
[10:13] <|brad|> i just recently went against my religion and bought a hp desktop
[10:13] <GazzaK> it is only like 1.8Kg, 4pounds
[10:13] <imbrandon> you will see a "noticeable" diffrence not just on benchmarks but realworld
[10:14] <GazzaK> I might try to get work to buy a faster drive, then give this 60Gb one to my partner who only has a 20Gb drive atm
[10:14] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:15] <nixternal`zzz> RIRI!!!!
[10:15] <nixternal`zzz> whoa...how is the system running?
[10:15] <word> i accidently fried my 60 gig drive by putting a bare wire under it..(don't ask ;p) and maxtor sent me back an 80 gig drive
[10:15] <GazzaK> I might try that idea then word :p
[10:16] <word> it was refurbished but meh didn't even look like it'd ever been used
[10:17] <word> imbrandon: I'm installing / upgrading more and more and the partitioner is slowly gaining funcionality lol :P
[10:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:17] <|brad|> error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-06-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):  <--- what the piss does that mean?
[10:18] <imbrandon> no idea , you got me on that one
[10:18] <crazy_penguin> good mornin' ! // jo napot!// buna ziua! :)
[10:18] <imbrandon> 'ello
[10:19] <noiesmo> the error processing will refer to either a corrupt deb package or maybe a confilt with dependanies but normally thats outputed as well
[10:19] <imbrandon> |brad|, it might be a bad build on the repos ( might have to manualy get it from sun
[10:20] <riri> from sun works fine
[10:20] <riri> and easy to install
[10:20] <noiesmo> I would remove /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-06-1_amd64.deb the do sudo apt-get update and then apt-get install
[10:23] <|brad|> this sudo  thing is gonna take a little bit to get used to
[10:23] <GazzaK> it's like sumo but not
[10:23] <GazzaK> you do not have to wear the funn suits
[10:23] <imbrandon> lol
[10:24] <|brad|> noiesmo: that didnt work... i guess im gonna have to get it from sun
[10:24] <imbrandon> |brad|, my beatup old HP ( that does all my compiling etc , my main dev wk station ) http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/work_area.jpg
[10:25] <|brad|> you smoke the cowboy killers eh?
[10:25] <imbrandon> heh sata drives took all my hdd spots so i have that ide drive just dangling
[10:25] <imbrandon> lol yea i smoke like its going out of style
[10:26] <|brad|> yea looks like my old system with shit hanging out and the case off
[10:26] <imbrandon> i took that picture just NOW, like 2 secs ago
[10:26] <GazzaK> some one has stolen the side of your pc
[10:26] <|brad|> i dont even know where my case is... i think i left it in pennsylvania
[10:27] <satempler> has amarok 1.4 made it in the dapper main release or would I still have to get that seprately
[10:27] <visik_>  is reiser from dapper installer still unavailable ?
[10:27] <imbrandon> lol GazzaK thats just that one, i should go downstairs and take a pic of my other computers ( about 6 more ) or my file servers ( 2 more ) or my xbox cluster ;)
[10:27] <GazzaK> you need to tidy up imbrandon
[10:27] <GazzaK> xbox cluster - tell me more :)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> satempler: separately
[10:27] <satempler> ok
[10:27] <imbrandon> heh its 9 xboxes modded runniing gentoo atm ( to lazy to compile a ubuntu xbox kernel just yet )
[10:28] <satempler> thanks
[10:28] <noiesmo> |brad|, theres is a way to make your own package from the java bin from sun with is the preferred way
[10:28] <|brad|> thats sexy
[10:28] <satempler> trying out the Live CD installer
[10:28] <imbrandon> |brad|, read the bottom of !restriced to find out how to make your own package from sun
[10:28] <imbrandon> !restricted
[10:28] <ubotu> restricted is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:28] <GazzaK> 9 of them?  all running seperatly or as one?
[10:28] <noiesmo> |brad|, Create a debian packagae with Sun Java jre package ( http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp )
[10:28] <imbrandon> GazzaK, all as one , a beowolf cluster
[10:29] <GazzaK> and I thought I was geeky
[10:29] <imbrandon> hahah
[10:29] <GazzaK> but imbrandon, what does it do?
[10:29] <|brad|> Unfortunately, Sun's Java for 64-bit PC's does't work very well yet <--- thats my problem
[10:29] <noiesmo> |brad|, sudo apt-get install java-package && fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin && sudo dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update05_i386.deb you may need to Adjust jre-1_5_0_05-linux-i586.bin to suite the one you download
[10:29] <imbrandon> i'm going to put a howto up[ on my blog sometime next week when i got kubuntu running ( i have to recompile a xbox kernel for kubuntu )
[10:30] <GazzaK> I want to mess with my xbox, but cannot get that game which is supposed to help open it up
[10:30] <imbrandon> GazzaK, right now its my media cluster , i have it record tv shows server up mp3/ogg files and movies/tv show streams to my media pc in the living room
[10:30] <GazzaK> but nice of them?
[10:30] <GazzaK> nine
[10:31] <satempler> GazzaK Livberate it from bittorrent ;)
[10:31] <imbrandon> GazzaK, i did all mine through software , no game / mem card needed ( you have to "hotswap" the hdd while its on
[10:31] <satempler> GazzaK: that was supposed to be liberate
[10:31] <imbrandon> stevekl, wont work, needs to be the orig as an unmodded xbox wont read a dvd-r
[10:31] <satempler> ah ok
[10:32] <GazzaK> surely doing a live hotswap is dangerous
[10:32] <GazzaK> could kill the hard drive?
[10:32] <imbrandon> BUT you CAn do it via hotswap with nothing extra , no mod chips or games / memcards
[10:32] <GazzaK> imbrandon: can you write a how to?
[10:32] <GazzaK> please
[10:32] <imbrandon> GazzaK, you COULD but its very unlikely i've dont littlery dozens of them for friends
[10:32] <GazzaK> mine is a early xbox, one of the first, with the noisy fan
[10:32] <imbrandon> yea a 1.1 probbly
[10:32] <GazzaK> pop over here and do mine please :)
[10:33] <imbrandon> GazzaK, yea i'll make a howto next week on my blog
[10:33] <satempler> bbl
[10:33] <GazzaK> where is your blog?
[10:33] <imbrandon> GazzaK, no joke send me your xbox and i'll mod it ;) just pay shipping both ways ;)
[10:33] <imbrandon> www.imbrandon.com where else ;)
[10:34] <satempler> to bad the live cd won
[10:34] <GazzaK> imbrandon: shipping would cost a lot :p
[10:34] <satempler> t grab the latest updates
[10:35] <imbrandon> GazzaK, yea, i'll just put a howto up, you should be able to do it np
[10:35] <imbrandon> its not THAT hard once you know the steps
[10:36] <imbrandon> and dosent require any additional hardware, but you Do know it will void any warentee you might nhave ;)
[10:36] <imbrandon> but like i said i've done dozens for me and my friends with no problems , never messed up one yet, not even the first one i tried
[10:38] <GazzaK> imbrandon: this xbox is old, it has no warrany
[10:38] <GazzaK> plus I'm getting hassle to buy a new xbox 360 from the other half
[10:39] <imbrandon> heh its nice when the other half is wanting one instead of hassle you NOT to buy one ;)
[10:39] <GazzaK> yeah, but the other half is making me poor
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh get a wii not an xbox360 then ;)
[10:40] <GazzaK> I already have a load of xbox games though
[10:40] <GazzaK> and don't like mario
[10:41] <imbrandon> but that makes it even better becosue your 360 will play your old xbox games and your then free to run linux on it ( and yes you can wire a keyboard and mouse upto it , the controler ports are just "funny shaped" usb ports )
[10:42] <imbrandon> AND after its moded it will play "backup" iso's ( not that i would condone downloading those ) or original games as well as linux and xbmc ( xbox media center )
[10:44] <GazzaK> wooo
[10:45] <GazzaK> sounds fun imbrandon
[10:46] <GazzaK> when I have the case apart, I think i'll paint it too
[10:46] <imbrandon> http://xbmc.sourceforge.net/imgs/xbmc_alpha/xbmc_alpha_screenshot_mayhem01.jpg   <-- xbmc running
[10:46] <GazzaK> wow
[10:46] <GazzaK> that is ace
[10:47] <GazzaK> gimme gimme gimme :)
[10:47] <imbrandon> http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/info_screens.htm
[10:49] <GazzaK> nice, looks good
[10:52] <assasukasse> hi all
[10:52] <assasukasse> i wish to know how much ram usually kubuntu requests at bootup
[10:53] <imbrandon> 192 i THINK
[10:56] <assasukasse> imbrandon thanks, do u know if xmms firefox and ssh are installed by default?
[10:57] <imbrandon> none of the above, but you can apt-get thm easy
[10:57] <assasukasse> imbrandon are u using it? did u experience any particular problem?
[10:57] <imbrandon> yes and no
[10:57] <assasukasse> i have read this http://tinyurl.com/ofb9r review and i was pretty surprised
[10:58] <riri> im
[10:58] <riri> kvfx is really wonder :)
[10:58] <riri> kb
[10:58] <imbrandon> im<tab> and kbfx ;)
[10:59] <imbrandon> assasukasse, that was from almost a year ago
[10:59] <imbrandon> look at the date
[10:59] <imbrandon>  04/25/2005
[11:00] <|brad|> damn its 5 am
[11:00] <assasukasse> imbrandon can i ask why u choose kubuntu over ubuntu?
[11:01] <imbrandon> becouse i dont like gnome and i develop qt/kde applications  ( and help package them sometimes )
[11:01] <imbrandon> how about you ?
[11:02] <assasukasse> imbrandon i've been using kanotix for long at now, but i need something that will work with the power management of my laptop..
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> I am using kanotix on my laptop (because kde is actually useable with 256Mb on it) - but my desktop has kubuntu because the bloat is less of a problem
[11:04] <assasukasse> h3sp4wn actually i was unable to make the power management work with kanotix..
[11:05] <assasukasse> suspend hangs
[11:05] <assasukasse> speedsteps doesn't work properly..
[11:05] <assasukasse> i end up with 2 hours battery while with win Xp lasts 4 hours
[11:06] <assasukasse> h3sp4wn is kubuntu far more bloated??
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> Depends on the speed of your laptop
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> More importantly how much ram you have
[11:07] <assasukasse> h3sp4wn i have 512
[11:07] <assasukasse> on a centrino 1.4
[11:08] <h3sp4wn> kubuntu will be fine with that - but its got alot of internationalisation stuff compiled into everything must be why its so slow
[11:09] <assasukasse> h3sp4wn is there any way to get rid of that? i don't need bulgarian or thai languages...
[11:11] <EvilIdler> Languages aren't loaded into memory unless you use them
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> What about like pango and all that type of stuff
[11:11] <EvilIdler> Needed for input
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> Not necessary for english
[11:11] <EvilIdler> Many countries use more than 26 symbols
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> For me thats bloat all the input related stuff
[11:12] <EvilIdler> It's not only input, but also output - UTF-8 etc.
[11:12] <esben> mle <--- english word, no? :o)
[11:12] <assasukasse> actually kanotix or kubuntu are my only two choices...and kanotix doesn't work with my lap well...
[11:13] <EvilIdler> Or nave :)
[11:13] <XVampireX> Anyone know any linux conferences here in Israel?
[11:13] <assasukasse> btw can i do something about EKIGA?
[11:13] <XVampireX> anyone know? :P
[11:14] <xanax`> XVampireX : http://www.iglu.org.il/IGLU/index.php
[11:14] <EvilIdler> The point of having i18n libs and constantly using them is so people from non-English speaking countries can safely stick to one text format (Unicode) and share it with everyone
[11:14] <XVampireX> woot
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: Its not worth it because it makes your system alot slower they should provide a version without all that (kanotix is so much faster) - I think speed is one of the most important things (especially on older computers)
[11:15] <assasukasse> for using ekiga i have to install all the gnome lib or just will take what is needed..
[11:15] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: You almost sound like an American saying that ;)
[11:16] <EvilIdler> I don't think the i18n libs will make your program a lot slower
[11:17] <XVampireX> assasukasse: Ekiga is in the repositories, it will handle the dependencies alone
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> Evilidler: Try running firefox compiled with and without pango - Look at the speed of bootup and general snappyness between kanotix and kubuntu
[11:17] <EvilIdler> If you don't live in a country that needs it, you don't know what a pain it can be to share documents when everyone's on a different codepage ;)
[11:17] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Couldn't that be some other optimisation Kanotix has done?
[11:17] <EvilIdler> My system sure feels nice and fast.
[11:18] <EvilIdler> When I occasionally use the fox of flames, it's nice and responsive :)
[11:18] <vincentrc> Hi everybody. What is the correct channel for kubuntu bugs please ?
[11:18] <imbrandon> vincentrc, launchpad.net
[11:19] <admiral_proFTW> vincentrc, what bug do you have
[11:20] <vincentrc> The first one is minor and happens only in the Kubuntu live CD : you have to do Ctrl + Alt + Backspace in order to the screen resolution modifications take effect.
[11:20] <vincentrc> The second is one I have reported for a moment, but hasn't been fixed : Bug #40596
[11:20] <vincentrc> I wanted to talk about on the irc as the final release is coming soon.
[11:21] <admiral_proFTW> link?
[11:21] <vincentrc> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/40596
[11:22] <imbrandon> Riddell, is the maintainer for that .... might ping him sometime
[11:22] <vincentrc> Yes, I have tried to ping him on #kubuntu-devel.
[11:23] <vincentrc> No response for the moment, I'm waiting.
[11:23] <freeflying|away> vincentrc: hi
[11:23] <vincentrc> Hi
[11:23] <imbrandon> vincentrc, well then you have done what you can, i'm sure he will get to it asap time permitting, what makes it easyier is if you also submit a patch if you are able
[11:23] <imbrandon> heya freeflying|away ;)
[11:24] <vincentrc> Sorry, I'm not a developper, I have never coded. It would have been a pleasure.
[11:24] <imbrandon> vincentrc, thats also a package in main too witch is frozen for the moment so the patch would have to be approved
[11:25] <imbrandon> vincentrc, thats why i said if possible , i realize not everyone can code ;)
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: It could be other optimisation kanotix has done - but the fact is on older hardware kubuntu runs slowly (whereas my desktop runs easily fast enough - my laptop is unusably slow)
[11:25] <admiral_proFTW> i had a bug updating to dapper, but i was with tt-cidfont-conf
[11:25] <|brad|> well java works now
[11:25] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Removing internationalisation libs from this distro would break a lot of things for a lot of nationalities, though
[11:26] <|brad|> but that site still doesnt work... i guess i do still need windowss
[11:26] <admiral_proFTW> brad: what do you mean java "works"
[11:26] <|brad|> admiral_proFTW: i just installed jre
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: Just having one version with internationalisation support and one without would be fine
[11:27] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Exchanging files between developers would often be a pain then, though.
[11:27] <admiral_proFTW> brad: the one on the sun page
[11:27] <|brad|> yes
[11:27] <EvilIdler> I'd be using UTF-8, thanks to the 'bloaty' libs, while a UK developer would be using ASCII files
[11:27] <admiral_proFTW> hmm, i read somewhere not to install that. i just used automatix and i think that set it up
[11:28] <EvilIdler> When he reads mine, no problem. When I read them back, nothing is certain.
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: ASCII is more standard than UTF-8
[11:29] <|brad|> admiral_proFTW: i have a amd64 system
[11:29] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: We're moving away from it, though.
[11:29] <admiral_proFTW> Brad: oh that would complicate things. i have friends that are wiating on ubuntu to have better 64 support
[11:30] <|brad|> its support is better then slackware
[11:30] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: i18n is here to stay ;)
[11:31] <admiral_proFTW> scripts like easy ubuntu, automatix, bumps arent supported
[11:31] <admiral_proFTW> is what i mean
[11:31] <|brad|> ah
[11:32] <admiral_proFTW> i expected more problems from people...
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: Every file you create in utf8 is four times as big
[11:33] <gnaleo> I am trying to install mercury, and I only get this error allt he time, though j2re is installed! No Java virtual machine could be found from your PATH
[11:33] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: You're thinking of something else. UTF8 is an extra byte for specific symbols
[11:34] <EvilIdler> UTF-16, UTF-32 or whichever you'd need for most efficient Chinese
[11:35] <_rince_> gnaleo: maybe you have to run update-alternatives and set the correct vm?
[11:35] <gnaleo> _rince_, how do I do that?
[11:35] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: The input libraries need to process what you type in, which can't possibly reach millions of characters per second, so I don't think they're the problem if things are slow
[11:36] <_rince_> gnaleo: i can't remember the exact syntax, have a look at "man update-alternatives"
[11:37] <_rince_> gnaleo: maybe 'update-alternatives --all'
[11:37] <_rince_> that one asks you for every binary which has alternatives (editor, pager, browser ...) including the java-vm iirc
[11:38] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: Firefox goes from being horribly slow (ubuntu build) to perfectly usable (mozillia.org build) having experimented disabling various features with pango disables its almost as fast as the mozilla.org one
[11:38] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: You should nag some Pango devs, then. It shouldn't be so.
[11:39] <gnaleo> ok, I choose the sun-j2re _rince_  ... how can I add it to my PATH?
[11:39] <imbrandon> gnaleo, update-alterntives
[11:39] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Pango is for text-processing, and there's not that much text on most webpages that it should crawl because it hit an 
[11:39] <gnaleo> it worked :)
[11:40] <_rince_> should be done automagically
[11:40] <_rince_> fine :)
[11:40] <gnaleo> thanks alot :)
[11:40] <assasukasse> btw then is it possible to speedup kubuntu?
[11:41] <EvilIdler> I had to use "sudo update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/bin/java" before Azureus worked
[11:42] <unix_infidel> hey guys, quick question, does ubuntu ship with a dynamic association script with its wireless config
[11:42] <unix_infidel> eg with iwconfig
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: You do it from /etc/network/interfaces
[11:43] <EvilIdler> Looks like he did find it :)
[11:44] <jake> hey what does the debian menu in automatrix actually install?
[11:45] <imbrandon> unix_infidel, yes iwconfig is installed
[11:45] <unix_infidel> imbrandon: noooo, i meant how does ubuntu manage dynamic wireless association.
[11:45] <unix_infidel> when i get my device up it automatically associates to the closest AP
[11:46] <imbrandon> no
[11:46] <unix_infidel> no?
[11:46] <imbrandon> no as in it dosent , brb
[11:47] <unix_infidel> then why does it associate with the closest unencrypted ap then?
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: Its only 3 commands to do it with iwlist and iwconfig - kubuntu is not designed for going onto other peoples networks particularly - use knetworkmanger if you want that sort of junk - otherwise just use wpa_supplicant to handle multiple (named) networks
[11:49] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: well, i dont need encryption with wpa_supplicant
[11:50] <unix_infidel> i'm just trying to figure out why iwconfig sometimes reassociates with a new AP when i'm not looking.
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: It doesn't have to have encryption (but then you can set priorities for different networks)
[11:51] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: so you're telling me i can use wpa_supplicant to manage my AP's for me.
[11:51] <unix_infidel> if i predefine say 2-3 aps to associate if it detects them itll associate, get an ip and go on its merry way.
[11:52] <unix_infidel> and it'll even manage unencrypted Ap's well.
[11:52] <unix_infidel> ??
[11:52] <unix_infidel> how would i go about doing that?
[11:53] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: key_mgmt=NONE
[11:53] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: yea, i'm reading the man page.
[11:53] <unix_infidel> that seems simple enough, i'm talking about the hard part, specified association, then if not getting the defined AP's use the strongest unencrypted WAP
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes (that tells you how to hook it into /etc/network/interfaces)
[11:54] <unix_infidel> h3sp4wn: /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: Where the network interfaces are configured the doc's haven't been updated yet I don't think (are you on breezy or dapper ?)
[11:56] <unix_infidel> breezy.
[11:57] <imbrandon> ouch
[12:01] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: into /etc/default/wpasupplicant you need to put ENABLED=1 into it make sure you card type etc is specified properly and put your networks into /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf (you use priority=7 or whatever) inside each network section
[12:08] <h3sp4wn> unix_infidel: If they are your access points just run them in WDS mode and it will automatically associate with the strongest
[12:09] <toweri> Greetings. I have a problem with root on LVM2 and lilo giving fatal errors on kernel upgrade (done with apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; breezy, 2.6.12-9 ->2.6.12-10)
[12:10] <imbrandon> lilo ?
[12:10] <toweri> Yes.
[12:10] <imbrandon> why not grub ?
[12:10] <toweri> IIRC installation didn't even offer me the choice to install grub.
[12:11] <imbrandon> did you run /sbin/lilo when you upgraded the kernel ?
[12:11] <toweri> That's exactly when the error occurred.
[12:12] <XVampireX> toweri: grub exists internally
[12:12] <imbrandon> can you apt-get install grub ?
[12:12] <toweri> Exact lilo output:
[12:12] <toweri> timo@badger:~$ sudo lilo
[12:12] <toweri> Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/dm'
[12:12] <toweri> device-mapper ioctl cmd 12 failed: No such device or address
[12:12] <toweri> Fatal: device-mapper: dm_task_run(DM_DEVICE_TABLE) failed
[12:13] <imbrandon> i have no idea i havent used lilo since 1997
[12:13] <Cin> Anyone tried Xgl on KDE?
[12:13] <toweri> XVampireX: Umm, what exactly do you mean, "grub exists internally"?
[12:14] <xanax`> Cin : try #xgl
[12:14] <toweri> I had gathered that grub wasn't exactly friendly with lvm.
[12:14] <Cin> It's working sweeeet on mine. I just got an upgrade of compiz. Not sure *how new* it is... but it's got more stuff to it.
[12:14] <XVampireX> It just does
[12:14] <XVampireX> It installs it automatically with kubuntu
[12:14] <Cin> Nah I just thought I'd come and tell you chaps that it works perfectly on KDE now.
[12:14] <Cin> :P
[12:14] <toweri> XVampireX: Apparently not.
[12:14] <nico8481> what works better with linux? geforce or radeon?
[12:14] <Cin> xanax`, but thanks.
[12:14] <XVampireX> Toweri: You might have a corrupt cd then
[12:14] <imbrandon> nico8481, nvidia
[12:15] <toweri> XVampireX: Breezy downloaded from official mirror, md5sum matches.
[12:15] <nico8481> imbrandon: don't they have "closed" drivers?
[12:15] <imbrandon> open and closed as does ati
[12:15] <imbrandon> so ?
[12:15] <EvilIdler> nico8481: NVidia overall; both work, buit NVidia's drivers are nearest Windows performance.
[12:16] <XVampireX> Toweri: Right
[12:17] <nico8481> EvilIdler: all geforce are nvidia, right?
[12:17] <imbrandon> yes
[12:17] <nico8481> ok
[12:17] <EvilIdler> NVidia chipsets, yes
[12:18] <_nano_> anyone knows of a superkaramba widget for amarok?
[12:18] <nico8481> any idea about the heat production of intel core duo CPUs ?
[12:18] <imbrandon> ~45c  this is google type stuff ;)
[12:18] <nico8481> coz i've read that the mac laptops using them get incredibly hot !
[12:19] <_nano_> 45C is like P4
[12:19] <nico8481> actually i'm wondering if it's a good idea to buy a core-duo based laptop...
[12:20] <imbrandon> nah buy a chia-mac http://plig.org/things/pictures/tn/chiamac.med.jpg
[12:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:21] <nico8481> hehe
[12:22] <toweri> Hmm, I gather that no-one here has any idea about that lvm + upgraded kernel problem?
[12:23] <imbrandon> toweri, probbly not VERY VERY few people use lilo
[12:23] <toweri> imbrandon: I know, I'd rather use grub, if it supported LVM.
[12:23] <toweri> Apparently, it doesn't, so I'm kinda stuck.
[12:24] <imbrandon> why do you need lvm ?
[12:24] <toweri> Suffice to say that I didn't have a choice when installing this machine.
[12:25] <imbrandon> ok , looks like grub / softraid would solve your problems
[12:25] <imbrandon> but w/e ;)
[12:26] <toweri> Seems that I have to take a few backups and try to resize one of the lvm pv's to fit in a non-lvm boot partition.
[12:26] <toweri> Thanks anyway.
[12:35] <frodo90> hi
[12:40] <frodo90> it seems that kubuntu is so slow
[12:42] <serenity> hi
[12:45] <frodo90> my system runs nearly perfect under xp, now i swichted to kubuntu and everything seems to be working sub-optimal
[12:46] <frodo90> system: pIII 866mhz, 512 ram
[12:46] <kubuntu> alrite guys
[12:47] <kubuntu> need help on kubuntu
[12:47] <frodo90> kubuntu: what's up?
[12:47] <kubuntu> havent a clue how till work it
[12:47] <_nano_> frodo90: what kind of graphics card you got?
[12:47] <frodo90> gf 4200
[12:47] <_nano_> frodo90: what's the output of the command: glxinfo: grep direct
[12:48] <kubuntu> how can i ply mp3's frodo90
[12:48] <kubuntu> play*
[12:48] <_nano_> !mp3
[12:48] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:49] <frodo90> nano: what do u mean in special?
[12:49] <kubuntu> thanks _nano_
[12:49] <_nano_> frodo90: i'm wondering if your graphics card is configured properly
[12:50] <_nano_> frodo90: plus KDE has even from graphics eye candies as compared to XP...so
[12:50] <_nano_> *more
[12:50] <_nano_> *from= more
[12:51] <frodo90> i installed the closed source nvidia drivers
[12:51] <_nano_> frodo90: hmm...
[12:52] <_nano_> frodo90: so what's the output of the command i typed down before?
[12:52] <atomic16> im having a problem with settings
[12:52] <frodo90> but dunno if i did it correct. Everytime the x-server starts, the nvidia-logo is shown
[12:52] <frodo90> it didnt work
[12:52] <_nano_> frodo90: then most probably graphics card is configured correctly
[12:52] <_nano_> frodo90: the command didn't work? as in ?
[12:53] <_nano_> glxinfo | grep direct
[12:53] <atomic16> I can't change any of my settings can anyone help?
[12:53] <_nano_> atomic16: what kind of settings?
[12:53] <frodo90> nano: first you typed : not pipe
[12:53] <atomic16> any of them
[12:53] <_nano_> frodo90: oops my bad...
[12:53] <frodo90> direct rendering: yes
[12:53] <_nano_> frodo90: what's your RAM?
[12:54] <atomic16> it says I need to be in the administrator, but I am the administrator, then when I click the admin button an error comes up
[12:54] <frodo90> 512
[12:54] <frodo90> 133 mhz clocked
[12:54] <_nano_> frodo90: swap size?
[12:54] <frodo90> dunno
[12:55] <frodo90> atomic: u arent admin. Click admin button, type the pw you set on install und hit return
[12:55] <_nano_> frodo90: use command : df
[12:55] <atomic16> no I get an error then it won't let me type a password, plus I am the only user
[12:55] <_nano_> atomic16: but you surely must have set a root password?
[12:56] <_nano_> _nano_: oops..
[12:56] <atomic16> yes I did, I tried login in on it but it said it was disabled, then I tried running kuser on it but it said I had the wrong password, I know the password was right.
[12:57] <frodo90> nano: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/1205/
[01:00] <_nano_> frodo90: you don't have a swap partition
[01:00] <Timmmm> Hi, are there qt 4.1 packages anywhere for (k)ubuntu?
[01:00] <_nano_> !swap
[01:00] <ubotu> swap is, like, totally, used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[01:01] <_nano_> and given the fact that KDE has more eye candies than XP..i guess it's safe to assume that it uses a good amount of memory..
[01:01] <_nano_> unless you tone it down a bit
[01:01] <_nano_> your XP also has a swap file
[01:01] <frodo90> will try
[01:01] <XVampireX> KDE uses less meomry
[01:02] <XVampireX> memory^
[01:02] <_nano_> it might...but that doesn't prove a case for not using a swap
[01:02] <XVampireX> I know
[01:02] <_nano_> with a memory of 512MB
[01:02] <XVampireX> I got 256mbram and 768 swap
[01:03] <Timmmm> I don't have swap.
[01:03] <atomic16> the error I get is "su returned with an error"
[01:03] <frodo90> what size would be good for 512 mb ram?
[01:03] <Timmmm> Or at least if I do it is never used.
[01:03] <Hobbsee> atomic16: use sudo, not su
[01:03] <XVampireX> You should use at least another 512mb for swap
[01:03] <atomic16> Im not in terminal
[01:03] <vinboy> hi
[01:03] <vinboy> what browsers do u guys use?
[01:03] <XVampireX> Firefox
[01:04] <vinboy> firefox is slow after awhile
[01:04] <vinboy> ic
[01:04] <XVampireX> Use opera then if you want
[01:04] <XVampireX> Or konqueror
[01:04] <XVampireX> Firefox is not slow
[01:04] <atomic16> so what do I tupe in Konsole?
[01:04] <vinboy> eating up memory
[01:04] <h3sp4wn> elinks or firefox (depending on whether the site looks ok in elinks or not)
[01:04] <vinboy> ok
[01:04] <XVampireX> elinks? :P Never heard
[01:04] <_nano_> me too never heard
[01:05] <_nano_> XVampireX: could you link me to a benchmark comparing memory consumption of XP and KDE?
[01:06] <atomic16> I typed kdesu sudo and the same error came up
[01:06] <h3sp4wn> XVampireX: using elinks requires the site to be properly designed (because its text based)
[01:06] <XVampireX> Ah
[01:07] <_nano_> h3sp4wn: web browsing is not only about reading text :(
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> nano: what about blind people everything should be readable in a text only browser easily
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> nano: If I am working I get less destracted using a text only browser
[01:08] <vinboy> actually
[01:08] <vinboy> blind ppl can't read
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> screen readers
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> they can only do text
[01:08] <vinboy> may as well download the mp3
[01:08] <vinboy> hehe
[01:08] <vinboy> do u guys play any game?
[01:09] <klerfayt> vinboy: wesnoth
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Streetfighter 2 Turbo (Jap) on advancemame
[01:09] <vinboy> ic
[01:09] <vinboy> any nice game on linux?
[01:09] <_nano_> tuxcart ;)
[01:09] <klerfayt> vinboy: what type of game you like?
[01:10] <vinboy> real time strategy
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> I have Civilisation call to power for linux (but it has to be run in a chroot of debian woody which is a pain)
[01:10] <vinboy> first person shooting
[01:11] <_rince_> h3sp4wn: doesn't run on kubuntu?
[01:11] <_nano_> people have run counter strike using wine..
[01:11] <_nano_> i haven't tried it
[01:11] <klerfayt> vinboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_first-person_shooters
[01:11] <_rince_> last time i played it using gentoo, a few years ago
[01:12] <vinboy> thx klerfayt
[01:12] <vinboy> i got cedega going for my CS
[01:12] <vinboy> but, the frame rate is 30
[01:12] <frodo90> which command is for looking up swap volume running?
[01:13] <_nano_> frodo90: didn't get your question
[01:13] <_nano_> frodo90: rephrase?
[01:14] <frodo90> i installed a swap parti, but dunno if it was done correct
[01:14] <klerfayt> vinboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open_source_games
[01:14] <_nano_> frodo90: mount -l
[01:15] <vinboy> yup
[01:15] <vinboy> got it
[01:15] <vinboy> thx
[01:15] <_nano_> frodo90: my bad..
[01:15] <_nano_> frodo90: that's not the command
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> rince: Its an old loki game and hence linked against old libraries
[01:16] <admin__> is there a guide on how to build a new 2.6.16.18 kernel for kubuntu anywhere ?
[01:16] <_nano_> frodo90: check your /etc/fstab file?
[01:16] <admin__> my usb wirelss card locks up the dapper kernel
[01:17] <frodo90> nano: ?
[01:17] <Dasnipa`> red stripe beer does not make good laundry detergent. that is because it is not laundry detergent... its beer! hooray beer!
[01:18] <_nano_> frodo90: cat /etc/fstab
[01:18] <klerfayt> is it seriously final artwork in rc?
[01:18] <_nano_> frodo90: also you might check sysguard to see how much swap is being used
[01:18] <_rince_> h3sp4wn: ah, rings a bell
[01:19] <_rince_> and no more updates available
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> they are in liquidation
[01:19] <_nano_> frodo90: kdemenu-->system-->performance monitor(kdesysgard)
[01:19] <frodo90> thats the entry  /dev/hdc5 none swap sw 0 0
[01:20] <_nano_> frodo90: pastebin your fstab please?
[01:21] <frodo90> it seems that the swap is not used (looked up in perfomance monitor)
[01:21] <frodo90> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/1206/
[01:22] <_nano_> frodo90: i'm wondering why the word "none" exists there :-?
[01:22] <_nano_> frodo90: it should say "swap" instead of none :-?
[01:22] <_nano_> frodo90: did you format it as linux swap?
[01:23] <frodo90> i did it like the how-to said
[01:23] <_nano_> !swap
[01:23] <ubotu> somebody said swap was used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[01:23] <Jel> how come smbmount does not work ?
[01:23] <Jel> isn't samba installed from installation ?
[01:24] <imbrandon> actualy it SHOULD say none there, the swap gets no mount point
[01:24] <imbrandon> look at your own fstab ;)
[01:24] <imbrandon> Jel, no its not
[01:24] <imbrandon> jel apt-get install smbfs
[01:25] <frodo90> what should i do now?
[01:25] <_nano_> frodo90: what does your kdesysguard say?
[01:25] <frodo90> no use of the swap
[01:25] <_nano_> frodo90: and the physical memory used?
[01:26] <frodo90> 491mb used
[01:26] <_nano_> frodo90: that's like most of your RAM :-?
[01:27] <frodo90> yipp, 24.000 KB free
[01:27] <Dasnipa`> lol
[01:27] <Dasnipa`> frodo90, sounds like you got probs
[01:27] <Jel> imbrandon - how would i mount a network directory, smb://server/media/mp3s ?
[01:27] <Jel> to say /mnt/mp3s
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> frodo90: the memory under cached is available if necessary
[01:28] <_nano_> frodo90: did you disable and recreate your swap?
[01:28] <frodo90> no
[01:28] <_rince_> usually most of your memory is "used" - this is considered a feature
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> frodo90: Same with buffers
[01:28] <_nano_> !swap
[01:28] <ubotu> hmm... swap is used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[01:29] <imbrandon> Jel, if smbfs is installed you would use "sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=username,password=password,uid=uid,gid=gid,rw //server/share /mount/point
[01:29] <frodo90> all: i switched 2 days ago to linux...
[01:29] <frodo90> so no knowlegde is available
[01:29] <Jel> uid ?
[01:29] <Jel> gid ?
[01:29] <imbrandon> linux user id and group id
[01:29] <imbrandon> ie uid=jel,gid=admin
[01:30] <Jel> ahh i c
[01:30] <Jel> the file system doesnt have a user/pass required
[01:30] <Jel> (its from a windows XP shared directory)
[01:30] <imbrandon> jel then a winxp username / password from that bopx
[01:31] <imbrandon> unless you have it set to world writeable , bad bad bad boy
[01:31] <Jel> ahh ok
[01:31] <_nano_> frodo90: swapoff -a
[01:31] <_nano_> /sbin/mkswap /dev/hda5
[01:31] <_nano_> swapon -a
[01:31] <Jel> so i can put username=administrator (my account on xp), and then password=<mypass>
[01:31] <_nano_> where hda5 is your swap partition
[01:31] <imbrandon> sure jel
[01:31] <frodo90> did so
[01:32] <_nano_> frodo90: try rebooting?
[01:33] <frodo90> perf.mon says: 1.502.036 KB free, but i created only a 768mb swap
[01:36] <Jel> imbrandon "Could not resolve mount point /mnt/Mp3s"
[01:36] <Jel> i've done sudo mkdir /mnt/Mp3s
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> frodo90: look at the output of 'free -m' take the total and minus the buffers and the cached
[01:37] <h3sp4wn> frodo90: For example my desktop here with a gb of ram reports only 38Mb free but if necessary there is alot more available
[01:37] <Jel> hmm ok, seems the mnt point is case sensitive
[01:38] <EvilIdler> Jel: All files are case-sensitive
[01:40] <Jel> i tried this:
[01:40] <Jel> sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=administrator,password=j*********,uid=jel,gid=admin,rw //server/media/mp3s /mnt/mp3s
[01:40] <corey> Is this the right channel to ask noob questions in?
[01:40] <EvilIdler> Jel: I recommend using lowercase filenames for mountpoints
[01:40] <EvilIdler> corey: One of many good ones :)
[01:41] <Jel> and it says: "11505: tree connection failed: ERRDOS - ERRnosuchshare (you specified an invalid share name)
[01:41] <Jel> SMB connection failed
[01:41] <Jel> that is the RIGHT name of the director i want to share...
[01:41] <frodo90> re
[01:42] <EvilIdler> Jel: Samba shares are changed to uppercase, so no worries there, but the mountpoint is case-sensitive
[01:42] <frodo90> nothing happened after rebooting
[01:42] <Jel> i know it is
[01:42] <EvilIdler> Jel: Is the name of the actual server 'server'?
[01:42] <Jel> yes
[01:42] <corey> Evil: Great. I'm having a problem with Adept. A lot of packages give me an error that it "Could not commit changes." "there was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[01:42] <EvilIdler> Jel: And does it have a share named media?
[01:42] <Jel> yes
[01:42] <Jel> smb://server/Media/Mp3s
[01:42] <Jel> if i type that in konqueror i can access it
[01:43] <EvilIdler> Jel: I don't think you can set up a directory under a share like that; try just //server/media
[01:43] <klerfayt> what parameter I should give to glxgears so that it will show me fps?
[01:43] <EvilIdler> corey: Breezy or Dapper?
[01:43] <corey> Breezy.
[01:44] <corey> For example, if I try to install frozen-bubble with apt-get install, I get "Depends: libsdl-mixer1.2 (>= 1.2.5) but it is not installable"
[01:44] <imbrandon> !print
[01:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, print is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters or http://www.linuxprinting.org
[01:44] <EvilIdler> corey: Try running Fetch Updates again, then Preview what it wants to change
[01:44] <frodo90> nano: nothing happens
[01:45] <_nano_> frodo90: give me a min
[01:45] <frodo90> k
[01:46] <Jel> hmm you're right
[01:46] <Jel> i can mount /media fine :)
[01:46] <_nano_> frodo90: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4107
[01:46] <EvilIdler> Jel: Thought so - I can't mount a directory under a share on Windows either :)
[01:49] <corey> I don't know why I uncommented universe Sources. It takes forever to update and I'm not ready to start Linux development ... yet.
[01:49] <Jel> awesome
[01:49] <Jel> i just got a few thousand mp3's in amarok ^_^
[01:50] <frodo90> nano: no help
[01:50] <EvilIdler> corey: It's handy to have for more than development. If you have all four corners of the Ubuntu reality, you're covered well :)
[01:50] <EvilIdler> Jel: Neat-o
[01:50] <corey> Evil: Fetched updates, and previewed changes. there is nothing there.
[01:50] <EvilIdler> Amarok choked on my 160-gig music partition :/
[01:51] <Jel> now i just need to setup that wireless network between me and my mates place
[01:51] <Jel> hes got 100gb of his own music :O
[01:51] <Jel> yeah it took a few minutes to reconstruct my "collection"
[01:51] <EvilIdler> corey: What were you trying to do when it failed?
[01:52] <EvilIdler> I just went back to XMMS, since it crashed horribly :/
[01:52] <corey> Trying to install a new package.
[01:52] <_nano_> frodo90: i'm clueless here...may be reinstall with the swap ?
[01:52] <EvilIdler> corey: Are you still getting the error when trying now?
[01:52] <corey> For example, if I try to install frozen-bubble, I expand the selection, click "Install Package" then commit changes. That's when I get the error. Yes, I am still getting it.
[01:52] <frodo90> need the url once again
[01:53] <EvilIdler> 17930 available packages. What more can I install today..
[01:53] <EvilIdler> corey: Can you stick your /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin?
[01:55] <frodo90> nano: need the url once again
[01:55] <_nano_> frodo90: which url? the latest one?
[01:55] <frodo90> the !swap
[01:55] <_nano_> !swap
[01:55] <ubotu> well, swap is used to put unused programs out of memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SwapFaq
[01:55] <_nano_> :P
[01:56] <corey> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739065
[01:56] <EvilIdler> Does the bot have a list of topics you can get in a private message?
[01:57] <Hobbsee> EvilIdler: yes
[01:57] <Hobbsee> !foo
[01:57] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[01:57] <Hobbsee> EvilIdler: ^
[01:58] <EvilIdler> Hobbsee: Cheers :)
[01:58] <_nano_> frodo90: you might wanna consult Hobbsee :)
[01:59] <EvilIdler> corey: I can't see anything directly wrong with that file, but I dunno if that cdrom source is necessary
[01:59] <Hobbsee> _nano_: oh no...what's teh problem/
[01:59] <mhterres> morning
[01:59] <markrian> After updating APT's cache of the repos, archive.ubuntu.com doesn't validate
[01:59] <_nano_> Hobbsee: it seems frodo90's swap isn't being used...he has 512MB of memory..is that normal?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> how much of the RAM is being used?
[01:59] <markrian> And doing it again doesn't fix it. No matter what, archive.ubuntu.com's update doesn't validate - what's the problem?
[01:59] <_nano_> Hobbsee: he didn't have swap partition in his initial installation
[02:00] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:00] <Hobbsee> what is the output of "free"?
[02:00] <_nano_> Hobbsee: no idea :-s
[02:01] <corey> I don't know if it will help, but I added the output of "apt-get" to the bottom. It does have 2 specific errors. I get the same kind of problem on several files. Others download and install fine. http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739069
[02:01] <Hobbsee> frodo90: what's the output of "free"?
[02:01] <EvilIdler> markrian: Try a countrycode in front of archive, like uk.archive.ubuntu.com
[02:01] <Hobbsee> !repos
[02:01] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:01] <markrian> EvilIdler: but it's always worked, just last night I updated fine
[02:02] <Hobbsee> corey: delete what's in yoru /etc/apt/sources.list, and add what's in the URL next to breezy there
[02:02] <Hobbsee> # means a comment
[02:03] <_nano_> Hobbsee: have you used superkaramba? if yes, would you happen to know of any amarok widgets?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> _nano_: ages ago i did, i think there might be...no idea what it's called though - check on kdelook.org / kdeapps.org
[02:04] <EvilIdler> Yeah, I see it now. Corey's main repositories are commented :P
[02:04] <_nano_> Hobbsee: yeah that's what I've been doing...was loookin for a shortcut ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:04] <_nano_> Hobbsee: and as they say, there are no shortcuts in real life :(
[02:04] <corey> Thanks, guys. I warned you I'm a noob!
[02:05] <EvilIdler> Newbie, perhaps, but not noob ;)
[02:05] <EvilIdler> Noo..don't tempt me to open my DS and waste more time on sudoku!
[02:05] <_nano_> same difference :P.... corey welcome to the club :P
[02:05] <frodo90> nano: free get me this http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/1207/
[02:05] <imbrandon> lol @ Hobbsee
[02:06] <Hobbsee> frodo90: hmmm...okay...
[02:06] <Hobbsee> EvilIdler: hehe!
[02:07] <_nano_> frodo90: it seems you have free memory in your RAM
[02:07] <Hobbsee> frodo90: what are you running on your system at the moment?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, and it'll use most of the ram before the swap
[02:07] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ free
[02:07] <imbrandon>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[02:07] <imbrandon> Mem:       1026544     589340     437204          0     104648     255684
[02:07] <imbrandon> -/+ buffers/cache:     229008     797536
[02:07] <imbrandon> Swap:      1951888          0    1951888
[02:07] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$
[02:07] <imbrandon> gah sorry guys
[02:07] <frodo90> firefox, amarok (non playing), gaim
[02:07] <imbrandon> ment to paste that on paste bun  /me kicks own self for flood
[02:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe, i could do that for you, if you liked :P] 
[02:08] <_nano_> frodo90: lol I've exact same apps running :D
[02:08] <corey> Another stupid question. If I want to edit a file as root, how can I manage that via the GUI? The only way I've figured out is to "su -" then use pico another console editor.
[02:08] <frodo90> hehe
[02:08] <Hobbsee> !+kdesu
[02:08] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[02:08] <EvilIdler> You see? Even the gods are not faultless!
[02:08] <Hobbsee> frodo90: i'd try running a few games on there as well, just to use up the memory...
[02:08] <imbrandon> heh
[02:08] <Hobbsee> !+sudo
[02:08] <ubotu> rumour has it, sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[02:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nah, bddebian is :P
[02:09] <EvilIdler> Sorry, too much SG-1
[02:09] <imbrandon> heheh yea Hobbsee
[02:09] <imbrandon> omg i LOVE sg-1 ;)
[02:09] <frodo90> hobbsee: fired up 5 instances of writer at once
[02:09] <EvilIdler> Mmm..I need my fix, but there's yet another season-break now :/
[02:09] <Hobbsee> frodo90: haha, that should do it
[02:10] <frodo90> but my mem never runs to zero
[02:10] <Hobbsee> frodo90: my machine only swaps very occasionally as well - even when it only had 512mb of ram...
[02:10] <imbrandon> heh looks like here in a few days i'll have to go back to dual booting ( dapper / edgy )
[02:10] <EvilIdler> Was there a Dapper update today? I'm waiting for a couple of kernel-related bugs to be fixed before I can upgrade :/
[02:10] <EvilIdler> By update, I mean bigger than usual
[02:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: exactly - brign it on!  unfortunately, i made my dapper / a bit small :P
[02:11] <_nano_> Hobbsee: how much ram do you have now?
[02:11] <Dasnipa`> if you run 256 mb ram it swaps a lot
[02:11] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, not bigger than usual
[02:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you going to keep your /home for both distros, or have separate ones?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> _nano_: 1gb
[02:11] <EvilIdler> There's something weird going on with the unholy trinity of udev/update-initramfs/the kernel
[02:11] <_nano_> Hobbsee: i too had 256mb..and now I also have 1gb :D
[02:11] <Hobbsee> bah.  that'd never go into swap - waste of space
[02:11] <Hobbsee> @ imbrandon
[02:12] <imbrandon> yea i know , i use it for when i boot live cd's
[02:12] <imbrandon> not normal ods
[02:12] <imbrandon> os*
[02:12] <EvilIdler> I have two gigs of swap on 1 gig of RAM, but what else can I use all that space for?
[02:12] <frodo90> but my system seems so slow, a live-cd is faster
[02:12] <Dasnipa`> thats back arsewards...
[02:12] <kubuntu> i am trying till add reporites, i added the universe 1's and went till fetch updates but nothing happeed, it said fetching headers for a while but i didnt get any updates?
[02:12] <Dasnipa`> livecd should be slower than poop
[02:13] <Hobbsee> kubuntu: your network was definetly connected?
[02:13] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, lol same here ( look at my df -h output on konsole in this pic http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png )
[02:13] <EvilIdler> I guess they've softened the livecds to diarrhea levels..
[02:13] <kubuntu> yeah sure im talking till u now
[02:13] <imbrandon> Dasnipa`, nah live cd is pretty fast on my pc
[02:13] <Hobbsee> kubuntu: odd, want to paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin please?
[02:13] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Those files on the server must feel lonely
[02:14] <Obo> hello
[02:14] <Obo> i have two users in my ubuntu desktop, one who uses gnome (which has a root password) and the other who uses kde which doesn't. is it possible for the gnome user to login to kde and d/l packages for the kde user ? will all the settings set by the gnome user stick?
[02:14] <kubuntu> sorry i dont no wot ur on about :s
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Obo: yeah, you could also do that from a virtual terminal
[02:14] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, heh its a webserver ( with an dapper / edgy mirror on it now , wasent when i took the snapshot )
[02:14] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: I've found ways to fill it up. Copying over Neverwinter Nights now, and digging for my Loki+ other games :)
[02:15] <Obo> virtual terminal?
[02:15] <kubuntu> hobbsee wots the paste bin?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> Obo: ctrl+alt+f1 - ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[02:15] <Hobbsee> !+pastebin
[02:15] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[02:15] <imbrandon> kubuntu, kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:16] <_nano_> frodo90: what was your config again?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> frodo90: install kpersonalizer, and get rid of some of the effects from there
[02:16] <Hobbsee> frodo90: how much free space do you have?
[02:16] <imbrandon> df -h
[02:16] <Obo> oh ok thanx
[02:16] <frodo90> 866 mhz, 512 mb ram
[02:16] <imbrandon> frodo90, df -h
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ouch
[02:16] <EvilIdler> Whiskey tango foxtrot?! Samba just decided to restart :/
[02:17] <Hobbsee> frodo90: ever tried running xfce on that?
[02:17] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, dapper and samba != good atm
[02:17] <frodo90> imbrandon: what for df -h?
[02:17] <imbrandon> frodo90, wrong person
[02:17] <imbrandon> sorry
[02:17] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: I'm on Breezy after a failed attempt at Dapper, so there's probably something related to that downgrade ;)
[02:18] <imbrandon> ahh
[02:18] <kubuntu> hobbsee send feebeack?
[02:18] <kubuntu> feedback*
[02:18] <frodo90> hobbsee: apps need some much ram
[02:19] <imbrandon> oooooooh google just release picasa for linux , now if they would port some other apps ;)
[02:19] <Hobbsee> kubuntu: huh?  type "kate /etc/apt/sources.list" into a console, copy the output, from the new window that opens, then paste it in the pastebin link above, and give us the link
[02:19] <EvilIdler> Ooh
[02:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: didnt they release that a while ago?
[02:19] <EvilIdler> Just a poker client away from getting my dad to ditch Windows, I guess :)
[02:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, not for linux
[02:20] <n3storm> ok
[02:20] <_nano_> imbrandon: that uses wine
[02:20] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, crossover office ;)
[02:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah okay, i thought they did
[02:20] <frodo90> nano: where is kpersonalizer installed?
[02:20] <kubuntu> ok
[02:20] <kubuntu> wot link do i give u?
[02:20] <imbrandon> _nano_, ye but it uses wine "internaly" IE static linked
[02:21] <_nano_> imbrandon: aah
[02:21] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Hmm..I'll have to find out what he uses and see if crossover has a demo, then
[02:21] <_nano_> frodo90: i never used kpersonalizer :P Hobbsee  did :)
[02:21] <Hobbsee> frodo90: should be in the kmenu
[02:22] <Hobbsee> frodo90: i'd think of trying xfce
[02:22] <Hobbsee> !xfce
[02:22] <ubotu> I guess xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[02:22] <Hobbsee> with only that little amount of processor power
[02:23] <joshka> salut la room
[02:23] <joshka> kelkun aurait-il la solution  mon problme svp ?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: any idea what language that is?
[02:24] <GazzaK> french?
[02:24] <GazzaK> I think
[02:24] <joshka> excuse me
[02:24] <Hobbsee> !fr
[02:24] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:24] <joshka> i don't know it s an english channel
[02:24] <joshka> thanks
[02:24] <GazzaK> okay, not a problem joshka
[02:24] <joshka> have a nice day
[02:24] <GazzaK> you too :)
[02:24] <crazy_penguin> re
[02:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, it ?
[02:25] <Hobbsee> !it
[02:25] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[02:25] <GazzaK> maybe it's alien?
[02:25] <imbrandon> salut is german though
[02:26] <GazzaK> gutten morgen Herr Hobbsee
[02:26] <frodo90> nano hobbsee: all my running apps seems no need so much RAM, not the kde gui
[02:26] <Hobbsee> frodo90: ah okay...
[02:26] <kubuntu> Sorry, that looked a bit too much like spam - go easy on the links there. why is is saying that?
[02:26] <frodo90> reduced it to the ugliest i ever seen and it's also slow
[02:27] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: i'm not a herr anything :P
[02:27] <GazzaK> frau?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: ya
[02:28] <GazzaK> enschuligunsee (damn, I cannot spell right in german)
[02:28] <corey> Any recommendations for a window manager ... or is that another personal preference thing? I don't want one that eats memory or system resources, but I'd like to play with some of the advanced features.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> corey: light ones - fluxbox, xfce, settings rich - kde
[02:28] <GazzaK> kubuntu - pretty, ubuntu - nice and clean, xubuntu - tiny
[02:28] <Hobbsee> corey: you can install more than one, and choose at login..
[02:28] <corey> oh. cool.
[02:29] <GazzaK> try them all is maybe the best advice I've been given
[02:29] <GazzaK> Hobbsee: do you feel a bit in the minority here?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: yeah, at times - but it's not like i get hit on terribly much, which is good.
[02:30] <GazzaK> I get hit on by Darkmatter all the time :)
[02:30] <GazzaK> and it is kinda funny, as we are both blokes, and it scares people! :p
[02:30] <kubuntu> wa?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: now that is scary.  it's also offtopic
[02:31] <GazzaK> oops
[02:31] <kubuntu> how can i install xmms?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:31] <Hobbsee> !xmms
[02:31] <ubotu> xmms is, like, totally, to get xmms to work in Ubuntu Hoary and Breezy, set the output plugin to eSound (right-click on the XMMS window, then choose Options -> Preferences)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> kubuntu: sudo apt-get install xmms
[02:31] <Hobbsee> hmm okay
[02:32] <frodo90> hobbsee: tried xfce and same here...low mem
[02:32] <klerfayt> esound? right...
[02:32] <Hobbsee> frodo90: darn
[02:32] <Hobbsee> klerfayt: i suspect that's gnome related
[02:33] <_nano_> i would highly appreciate if anyone could post a screenshot of how www.google.com looks on their browser .. :(
[02:33] <Hobbsee> _nano_: which browser?
[02:33] <klerfayt> _nano_: it's ugly
[02:33] <_nano_> Hobbsee: firefox preferably
[02:33] <Hobbsee> _nano_: mozilla binaries, or from the repos?
[02:33] <kubuntu> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[02:33] <kubuntu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[02:33] <klerfayt> _nano_: msstcorefonts look dirty in dapper
[02:33] <kubuntu> it comes up that
[02:33] <kubuntu> :(
[02:34] <Hobbsee> kubuntu: got adept/synaptic/another apt-get window open?
[02:34] <_nano_> I've installed installed ttf fonts from windows directory itself
[02:34] <kubuntu> ah
[02:34] <kubuntu> ok
[02:34] <_nano_> Hobbsee: show the screenshot..lemme look :D
[02:34] <Hobbsee> i just use deja vu sans...
[02:35] <kubuntu> it comes up a pile of stuff now
[02:35] <frodo90> hobbsee: why is it so?
[02:35] <corey> Why does firefox tell me it can't find libmozjs.so when I run it? I can see the file right there in the directory.
[02:35] <kubuntu> can some1 remotely connect till me pc?
[02:36] <_nano_> corey: which directory?
[02:36] <corey> same directory as firefox-bin
[02:36] <Hobbsee> _nano_: http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3287/snapshot53ph.png
[02:37] <imbrandon> omg Hobbsee is that your desktop ?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no
[02:37] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:37] <_nano_> Hobbsee: wow it looks nice!
[02:37] <Hobbsee> _nano_: yeah, rather
[02:37] <_nano_> Hobbsee: atleast fonts are big
[02:37] <XVampireX> You people know about swiftfox?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: yeah
[02:37] <Hobbsee> custom user.js file also does the job ;)
[02:38] <XVampireX> http://www.getswiftfox.com/
[02:38] <XVampireX> It's not just for AMD anymore
[02:38] <h3sp4wn> The mozilla.org build is alot faster than the ubuntu ones (unless it has changed in the last 4 days)
[02:38] <_nano_> Hobbsee: what did you change in the user.js file?
[02:38] <corey> nevermind ... weird. Firefox wouldn't come up yesterday. Now it does.
[02:38] <_nano_> Hobbsee: do you force all the websites to use dejavu fonts?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> _nano_: yeah, i think so
[02:38] <_nano_> Hobbsee: k
[02:39] <Hobbsee> no, wait, i let them choose my own
[02:39] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: definetly
[02:39] <_nano_> Hobbsee: :D
[02:39] <Hobbsee> _nano_: http://pastebin.com/739119
[02:40] <kubuntu> i guess its back till windows for me :(
[02:40] <frodo90> where can i upload pics like pastebin?
[02:40] <imbrandon> imageshack.us
[02:41] <_nano_> Hobbsee: that doesnt seem to have any info regarding fonts ?
[02:41] <Hobbsee> _nano_: no, that's to make it render pages faster, among other things
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i've got the fonts of the actual window set in gtk settings in system settings...
[02:42] <_nano_> Hobbsee: aah...nice! :D thanks a bunch
[02:42] <frodo90> nano: look at this http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6788/screenshot7ge.png
[02:42] <frodo90> hobbsee: look at this http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6788/screenshot7ge.png
[02:42] <_nano_> frodo90: wow that's a cool english mod :D
[02:43] <frodo90> nano: ?
[02:43] <Skrot> frodo90: What's the problem?
[02:43] <dbglt> hey everyone
[02:43] <_nano_> frodo90: jking :D
[02:43] <dbglt> is there a way to use (like wget does) --limit-rate of an apt-get download?
[02:43] <_nano_> frodo90: i wasn't able to understand the language thats why
[02:43] <mhterres> Riddell: ping
[02:43] <frodo90> skrot: my system is sooo slow
[02:43] <Riddell> mhterres: hi
[02:44] <Hobbsee> dbglt: no idea, but i doubt it
[02:44] <Hobbsee> dbglt: check in apt-get -h
[02:44] <mhterres> Riddell: hi.
[02:44] <mhterres> Riddell: will final Kubuntu 6.06 be released in june, 1st ?
[02:44] <dbglt> I already checked the help file too
[02:44] <dbglt> man file
[02:44] <dbglt> nothing there
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)  my ego feels better now :)
[02:44] <Riddell> mhterres: I expect so
[02:44] <dbglt> I assumed since it is a normal http download wouldn't be so hard to have rate limiting built in
[02:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: welcome :)
[02:45] <mhterres> Riddell: let me show you something that makes me worry
[02:45] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotta love rss feeds :P
[02:45] <Skrot> frodo90: How much ram do you have?
[02:45] <mhterres> Riddell: I requested the Ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs and today I saw this message in shipit:
[02:45] <frodo90> skrot: 512 mb, but a live-cd seems to run faster than my system
[02:45] <mhterres> Riddell:20 CDs requested in 2006-05-18. 20 CDs approved and sent to the shipping company in 2006-05-24. Please note requests usually take from 4 to 6 weeks to deliver, depending on the country of shipping.
[02:46] <mhterres> Riddell: How they sent the CDs to the shipping company if the final version is not out ?
[02:46] <Skrot> frodo90: The thing about linux is that if you go for KDE, you save resources by only using KDE apps (e.g konqueror over firefox). Do you run many non-kde applications?
[02:46] <frodo90> only gaim and firefox
[02:47] <frodo90> skrot: and it eats up nearly 500 mb of my sys
[02:47] <Skrot> frodo90: okay. In what areas is it slow? Starting apps?
[02:47] <frodo90> skrot: yes, and browsing
[02:48] <Riddell> mhterres: it means the order has been approved, this shipping company is the same company as makes the CDs
[02:48] <Skrot> frodo90: Another thing about linux, is that the number you get from f.ex "top" about memory usage isn't exactly true
[02:48] <XVampireX_> Should I update to xorg 7.1?
[02:48] <kosh> s/exactly/even remotely close/
[02:48] <Skrot> frodo90: The number you get, let's say 60mb for konversation, is how much memory konversation would use, if it was the only program running, because the shared libs are included, and they are used by more than one application
[02:49] <mhterres> Riddell: Hmm, ok. I imagine that, but I was not sure. Thanks for the information.
[02:49] <_nano_> frodo90: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[02:49] <qbert> kubuntu rules
[02:49] <Skrot> frodo90: Anyway, if you use KDE with firefox, a whole lot of shared libs will have to load in order to get firefox running, as for konqueror, most of those libs are common to other KDE applications, and thus already loaded
[02:51] <frodo90> skrot: 5.10 i'm using...
[02:52] <kosh> Skrot: it is even more complex then that, some of it is memory mapped libs, where the memory is not really being used
[02:53] <Skrot> kosh: Indeed.. memory usage in linux is a tricky one.
[02:53] <kosh> Skrot: so you could be using <1M of a 5M lib but since the lib is mapped as part of the process address space I think it will show up as 5M
[02:53] <_nano_> Skrot: I remember upgrading to dapper improved kde performance significantly
[02:54] <kosh> Skrot: actually it is tricky under any modern os even windows, windows just fudges stuff to be what people expect
[02:54] <Skrot> _nano_: I can't remember, but my dapper is blazing fast :)
[02:54] <_nano_> Skrot: yeah .. kde on breezy was kind of sluggish
[02:54] <kosh> my dapper is fairly fast but it won't get a lot faster until I upgrade to a new computer
[02:54] <EvilIdler> Use xrestop to get some more reasonable process memory usage readings
[02:54] <kosh> quad monitor output is a real hit on this box
[02:54] <Skrot> Konqueror starts in < 1sec
[02:54] <frodo90> perhaps my definition of slow ist wrong. Let's say slower tha windows
[02:54] <EvilIdler> It's a spin-off program from the KDE folks
[02:54] <corey> I updated my sources.list file and did a fetch updates. When I commit Changes, it starts downloading stuff. Every time it finishes downloading a package, it says "error"
[02:55] <corey> Now what have I done wrong? :(
[02:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there
[02:55] <corey> And how do I abort... no sense letting it continue.
[02:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i'd need a hand for the configuration of the second screen...
[02:55] <Skrot> kosh: Really impressed with the speed of OOo in kubuntu as well
[02:55] <kosh> corey: hmm I have not seen that before
[02:55] <Skrot> It starts *way* faster than most OOo's I've tried in windows
[02:55] <kosh> Skrot: oh yeah konq and stuff like that starts in <1s it is just that the gui is not as responsive as I would like with 4 monitors
[02:56] <Skrot> wow, 4 monitors? =)
[02:56] <kosh> Skrot: that is one reason I want to upgrade to nvidia cards and use xgl/aiglx since longterm the idea is to offload more normal work to the graphics cards
[02:56] <Skrot> mhm
[02:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to use the Svideo to see the fullscreen of the screen of my laptop, by now i can see it, but it's not completely showed on the TV, when i move the cursor on the laptop, the showed screen in TV moves... somebody could take a look to my xorg.conf??
[02:58] <XVampireX_> Skrot: That's because java works faster on linux
[02:58] <kosh> Skrot: people keep showing off the visually interesting stuff for xgl/aiglx but if you look at the dev stuff on it the real plan is to allow the gui to be hardware accelerated more efficiently
[02:58] <fortus> hi
[02:58] <frodo90> how to change the frequency of my monitor
[02:58] <Skrot> I know. The end game is a 100% accelerated server, isn't it?
[02:59] <corey> apt-get complains about not being ale to lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock ... does that help?
[02:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there anybody that can help me?
[02:59] <kosh> corey: sudo apt-get update
[02:59] <Skrot> kosh: Seeing how ATi and nVidia won't keep up making those 2D chips in a few years.
[03:00] <XVampireX_> corey: You can't be running sudo on several users
[03:00] <corey> I already did a su -
[03:00] <XVampireX_> so in su just do apt-get update
[03:00] <corey> I'm not ... at least I don't think I am.
[03:00] <XVampireX_> But make sure other tasks running apt-get don't exist
[03:00] <kosh> corey: so you added a root user to your system?
[03:01] <kosh> corey: okay then do lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock and see what other program has it open
[03:01] <XVampireX_> kosh: people can run su through sudo
[03:01] <corey> Okay ... it is running now. I already updated everything with Adept. I'm just trying to find out why when I do a commit everything give me an error.
[03:01] <corey> kosh: yes.
[03:01] <xcyborg> when the final 6.06 release will be available for mirrors ?
[03:01] <XVampireX_> xcyborg: June 1st
[03:02] <HymnToLife> June 1st I think
[03:02] <xcyborg> june 1st isn't the official public release ?
[03:02] <XVampireX_> Yeah it is
[03:02] <xcyborg> the mirrors don't get to sync first ?
[03:03] <XVampireX_> The mirrors get it altogether
[03:03] <XVampireX_> all together^
[03:03] <GazzaK> surely that will be a massive load on the mirror servers/bandwidth?
[03:03] <GaiaX11> XVampireX_, will it be possible to upgrade to stable, let's say, from June 1st?
[03:03] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there anybody that can help me?
[03:04] <XVampireX_> GaiaX11: Yes
[03:04] <XVampireX_> GazzaK: That's what bittorrent is for
[03:04] <GazzaK> Tallia1Kubuntu: what resolution are you running?
[03:04] <XVampireX_> Tallia1Kubuntu: What do you need?
[03:04] <Tallia1Kubuntu> GazzaK: 1400*1050 on the laptop screen, and i tried 1024x768 on the TV
[03:04] <GazzaK> svideo out afaik will only use 800x600, or it will scroll
[03:04] <corey> hmmm ... this can't be right. http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739158
[03:04] <GaiaX11> XVampireX_, good!
[03:04] <GazzaK> I think anyways
[03:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> let me try 800x600 and i will come back here
[03:05] <GazzaK> good luck Tallia1Kubuntu
[03:05] <GazzaK> sorry for the delay
[03:05] <Tallia1Kubuntu> GazzaK: see ya in 3 secs :)
[03:06] <GazzaK> but if 15 mirrors are all trying to pull 10Gb (or whatever) from one location, it's gonna take ages
[03:06] <GazzaK> plus about 5 million desperate geeks too
[03:06] <GazzaK> that was quick Tallia1Kubuntu
[03:06] <XVampireX_> GazzaK: Don't worry
[03:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hey
[03:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it scrolls even more than with 1024x768
[03:06] <XVampireX_> Ah
[03:07] <XVampireX_> You got a scrolling problem
[03:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what can i do?
[03:07] <EvilIdler> We need apt-torrent functionality :)
[03:07] <GazzaK> whats the max res for svideo out on a laptop?
[03:07] <corey> okay. Once I know who is locking a file, what's the safest way to unlock it? And why does my ssytem still think Adept is running when I closed it?
[03:07] <XVampireX_> In the xorg.conf file
[03:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> dunno, i tried 1400 and it didn't work
[03:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> maybe i can try
[03:07] <XVampireX_> EvilIdler: No, you don't need apt-torrent
[03:07] <corey> or ... maybe I should say "why does lsof show it is locked by adept when I alrady closed adept?
[03:08] <XVampireX_> Tallia1Kubuntu: In the xorg.conf file there's something you have to disable
[03:08] <XVampireX_> I had scrolling problem too, I forgot how to fix it, I think it was in the xorg.conf
[03:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like?
[03:09] <leafw> silent
[03:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> any idea of what should i change?
[03:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what about xinerama?
[03:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i remember that when i was using a desktop on the side of another i used that one to have it working
[03:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and have it of the same size
[03:13] <xcyborg> what does "LTS" mean ? long time support  ?
[03:13] <visik_> soseems
[03:15] <DaBooMGR> guys i have a problem
[03:16] <DaBooMGR> i don't know how to mount my windows partition to kubuntu
[03:16] <DaBooMGR> plus, i've screwed up the accounts section
[03:16] <DaBooMGR> i've turned myself into an administrator, but when i press the "adminstrator mode" button, and enter my password, nothing happens
[03:18] <DaBooMGR> anyone ?
[03:20] <HymnToLife> happens here too, bug I assume
[03:20] <corey> Daboo: Are you mounting an NTFS partition?
[03:20] <qbert> ahoy, is their a GUI for configuring apache with kubuntu ?
[03:20] <DaBooMGR> corey yes
[03:21] <corey> DaBoo: this is what I did. First, mkdir /mnt/xp
[03:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> somebody is still here to gimme a hand?
[03:21] <DaBooMGR> but the problem is that i can't manage them anymore, because of the screwups with the accounts
[03:21] <corey> DaBoo: Then, mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/xp -t ntfs -r -o umask=0222
[03:21] <corey> That assumes the partition you want to mount is on /dev/hda2.
[03:22] <kosh> qbert: there probably is a gui but you would regret trying to do it that way
[03:22] <corey> The files will show up under /mnt/xp
[03:22] <qbert> why is that ?
[03:22] <qbert> and what is the gui called :P
[03:22] <kosh> qbert: the gui config tools are almost universally horrible, it just takes too much time compared to doing it manually
[03:22] <DaBooMGR> corey the problem is that i get "only root can do this"
[03:22] <kosh> qbert: I know there is a gui, I don't remember what it is called and I don't recommend using it
[03:23] <corey> DaBoo: yep. You need to be root.
[03:23] <DaBooMGR> but i can't login as root
[03:23] <DaBooMGR> it says "no root logins are allowed"
[03:23] <DaBooMGR> in the login screen
[03:23] <corey> Oh sorry ... then I'm out of my depth.
[03:23] <jfro> alright, i feel kinda stupid, i can NOT set my timezone, it just doesn't work
[03:24] <DaBooMGR> can u tell me the command for console login ?
[03:24] <qbert> jfro, you try setting it in bios right ?
[03:24] <corey> nope. I just installed kubuntu yesterday. I know as close to nothing as is possible!
[03:24] <EvilIdler> jfro: Try tzsetup
[03:25] <DaBooMGR> same here
[03:25] <theine> DaBooMGR: can you log in as ordinary user and use sudo?
[03:25] <DaBooMGR> does anyone know how to login as root from console ?
[03:25] <jfro> EvilIdler: thanks!
[03:25] <DaBooMGR> i don't know what sudo is :P
[03:25] <Hobbsee> !tell DaBooMGR about sudo
[03:25] <jfro> is there a way to restart the panel so the clock updates? hehe
[03:25] <DaBooMGR> wow!
[03:25] <theine> DaBooMGR: open a terminal and type "sudo ls" and enter your user password
[03:25] <Hobbsee> DaBooMGR: it's a bad idea to log into the GUI as root
[03:25] <theine> DaBooMGR: see if that works
[03:25] <Hobbsee> jfro: killall kicker && kicker
[03:25] <DaBooMGR> thanks guys
[03:25] <corey> I'm getting a LOT of "104 Connection reset by peer" errors from apt-get. Is it a problem with apt-get or my internet connection? It wouldn't surprise me a bit if it IS my internet connection.
[03:26] <jfro> thanks
[03:26] <DaBooMGR> i'll read some documentation
[03:26] <DaBooMGR> gr8 support!
[03:26] <DaBooMGR> :D
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> DaBooMGR: you can just do session root terminal from konsole also
[03:26] <h3sp4wn> new root shell sorry
[03:26] <Hobbsee> OdyX: you're in hisory now :P
[03:26] <jfro> ahhhh
[03:26] <DaBooMGR> i'm out
[03:26] <OdyX> Hobbsee: ?
[03:26] <DaBooMGR> going to try these things
[03:27] <DaBooMGR> bye
[03:27] <jfro> thanks so much!, apparently editing timezone file manually doesn't trigger whatever tzsetup does after changing
[03:27] <jfro> finally clock is set right
[03:27] <Hobbsee> OdyX: we both made it into Ridd*ell's blog
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jfro: yay!
[03:27] <OdyX> Hobbsee: URL ?
[03:27] <jfro> KDE's adjust time & date flat out wouldn't work
[03:27] <jfro> which sucks... heh
[03:27] <Hobbsee> OdyX: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2040
[03:27] <Hobbsee> jfro: yeah, that seems botched.  no idea why.
[03:27] <jfro> weird
[03:27] <OdyX> Hobbsee: I thought Fridge publicated my fantastic minutes...
[03:27] <OdyX> :D
[03:27] <jfro> thanks again
[03:28] <Hobbsee> OdyX: hehe
[03:28] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. Nobody reads them in every case.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> OdyX: the kde developer blogs are pretty well linked..
[03:29] <OdyX> Riddell: On your blog (^^), you miswrote my nick... It has big letters..
[03:29] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure . But no RSS
[03:29] <Hobbsee> OdyX: haha!  yours too?
[03:29] <OdyX> Hobbsee: ;-)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> OdyX: sure it has rss - that's how i saw it
[03:30] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. Not correctly showed then... No icon in Konqui
[03:30] <Hobbsee> konqui?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> as in, konqueror?
[03:30] <OdyX> ;-)
[03:30] <OdyX> Yep
[03:30] <OdyX> as do I
[03:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Hobbsee: have you ever had scrolling problems while using screen cloning on the TV-out Svideo?
[03:31] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone have a full copy of the wiki in text format (or know how to use html2text for a full directory)
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Tallia1Kubuntu: i've never tried...
[03:32] <corey> OdyX: Sounds like a job for GreaseMonkey.
[03:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: what about yoU? the last time you have been very helpful
[03:32] <OdyX> corey: ? GreaseMonkey as in Firefox ?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> OdyX: yes, same here.  maybe we should poke someone to get that fixed, after release
[03:32] <corey> OdyX: yes.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> OdyX: greasemonkey is an extension in firefox, yes
[03:32] <OdyX> Hobbsee: do it now...
[03:33] <OdyX> corey: I don't have Firefox...
[03:33] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: I don't really know anything about tv out is it on ati ?
[03:33] <Tallia1Kubuntu> h3sp4wn: yes
[03:33] <corey> OdyX: Okay. nevermind.
[03:34] <h3sp4wn> Tallia1Kubuntu: My card has an svideo out but I don't think I have an svideo cable :(
[03:36] <corey> Thanks for the help. It's way past dinner time and apt-get says it will be busy for another 30 minutes. I'm out of here.
[03:37] <leafw> attention powerpc users: dapper doesn't stand as high as breezy. There anumerous problems with Xorg and the gtk/gdk that affect lots of applications (firefox, any java app, inkscape ...)
[03:37] <leafw> now if only it was clear how to downgrade again.
[03:44] <markc> FWIW I was in the middle of rolling new kernels and drivers to get my USB wireless card working and then the RC ISO image download finished so I blew a CD and tried it out... lo n behold I got to see my wireless working for the first time... in over a year of having a linksys dsl router and a USB wireless card... me very happy
[03:44] <GazzaK> markc: what wifi card?
[03:45] <markc> GazzaK> a small Repotec USB card... rt2570
[03:45] <GazzaK> do you happen to know who the wifi chipset is made by
[03:46] <GazzaK> is it broadcom?
[03:47] <markc> hang on, 	 I have to put it in and load the driver... it might freeze on this box
[03:48] <markc> ZyDAS 802.11b/g USB2 WiFi
[03:51] <markc> http://www.repotec.com/wirelessLan/RP_WU0402.htm  FWIW
[03:52] <fortus> Good afternoon, or what time its around there
[03:52] <esben> Where do I found libdecss packages for kubuntu?
[03:53] <esben> s/found/find/
[03:53] <HymnToLife> !plf
[03:53] <ubotu> it has been said that plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf , mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[03:53] <HymnToLife> there
[03:53] <fortus> Im wondering if there was some1 who would like to help me with sound problems?
[03:53] <esben> ty :)
[03:53] <HymnToLife> !tell fortus about justask
[03:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok, since i gave up having 1400x1050 on the sVideo 1024x768 without scrolling, is there a way to hot-change the resolution of the laptop screen from 1400x1050 -> 1024x768 without restarting Xorg?
[03:56] <markc> have you tried control-shift key + and minus ?
[03:56] <markc> key = keypad
[03:56] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't have a keypad in my laptop :|
[03:57] <Abnaxos> Is there any workaround for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/39658 (using /etc/apt/preferences or something)?
[03:57] <Abnaxos> dist-upgrade from breezy to dapper wants to uninstall 355 packages. :(
[03:57] <esben> Anywhere I can find decss for amd64? Or is there a guide to compile source packages in Kubuntu somewhere?
[03:57] <apokryphos> Abnaxos: what's wrong with that?
[03:58] <Abnaxos> apokryphos: It's kde-desktop and all of its dependencies.
[03:58] <Abnaxos> apokryphos: s/kde-desktop/kubuntu-desktop
[03:58] <HymnToLife> !compile
[03:58] <ubotu> A nice howto about compiling software from source code can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (but remember to search !apt first, after adding all the !repos)
[03:58] <markc> esben: it might be as simple as download tarball and cd into the dir and "make"
[03:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't have a keypad in my laptop :|
[03:59] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok, since i gave up having 1400x1050 on the sVideo 1024x768 without scrolling, is there a way to hot-change the resolution of the laptop screen from 1400x1050 -> 1024x768 without restarting Xorg?
[03:59] <esben> markc: Sure.... but isn't source packages about compiling and installing them as a package? (Forgive me if I ask stupidly)
[04:01] <HymnToLife> esben> nope, it will just get you the source files
[04:01] <markc> esben: sure and that howto probably outlines how to do so... I think the decss program is so small and self-contained it's probably easy to compile and install it directly though... probably simpler than doing a real deb package
[04:01] <HymnToLife> AFAIK, you'l have to compile them yourself
[04:02] <esben> markc: ok. I'll try :)
[04:03] <fortus> thank u very much for guiding me to some page I can find fom google on my own, but Id rather have help from some1
[04:05] <fortus> I have already been searching from web sites and forums but they dont seem to help me with this problem
[04:06] <markc> fortus: did you outline what your problem is ?
[04:07] <fortus> mark: I have Integrated intel ICH5 soundcard and I only get alarm  noises
[04:08] <fortus> yes, Im sure I havent muted em
[04:08] <fortus> so no mp3s etc
[04:08] <fortus> :s
[04:11] <fortus> so no help :(
[04:19] <RototoR> Hi! I've updated my fglrx drivers to 8.25.18 and now i'm getting "[fglrx]  API ERROR: could not register entrypoint for  ..." errors when starting any GL application
[04:19] <RototoR> Have you ever seen this error?
[04:23] <wimpies> I am unable to get sound out of amarok ...
[04:24] <wimpies> artsd works, mplayer works, but konqueror preview and amaroK dont
[04:25] <markc> fortus: that is not much information to go on... I don't have that sound system so I can't test anything similar, what program are you using to play mp3's ?
[04:26] <da_fat_thing> hi
[04:26] <markc> wimpies: have you tried the xine engine in amarok ?
[04:27] <wimpies> No I currently have it set to Artsd but I noticed something weird
[04:27] <wimpies> The KMix application shows Master and PCM to max
[04:28] <wimpies> but still amarok's volume is 0.
[04:28] <visik_> RototoR have u try to askto ggl??
[04:28] <wimpies> Setting the amarok volume to higher produces sound but no mixer
[04:28] <wimpies> slidebar moves to higher values.
[04:28] <markc> try amarok-xine
[04:28] <wimpies> So I am wondering which volumen amarok is controlling ?
[04:28] <markc> I think it depends on the driver/soundcard
[04:29] <wimpies> activating XINE engine says : error - cannot initialize any audio-driver
[04:31] <RototoR> visik_: Yes i have, but i didn't find much information on this error. It was only posted in some problem reports, but no fixes were provided :(
[04:32] <visik_> RototoR: are you using any sort of nonvesa framebuffer ?
[04:32] <Hawkeye> hi to all!!
[04:32] <RototoR> visik_: No, i don't use any framebuffer
[04:32] <corey> Can someone please help me? I'm still trying to get apt-get to update the headers. I keep getting a data integrity error. See: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739330
[04:32] <Hawkeye> someone knows how to install kubuntu on hard disk sata?
[04:33] <RototoR> visik_: The problem is: X starts fine, also the driver reports in the Xorg.0.log file that it found the correct kernel module
[04:33] <RototoR> visik_: But when trying to start any Gl linkt application it aborts and reports this error message for all GL extensions provided by the fglrx driver
[04:34] <RototoR> e.g. [fglrx]  API ERROR: could not register entrypoint for TexBumpParameterivATI
[04:34] <visik_> have you correctly installed libGL.something ?
[04:34] <visik_> I think it's a problema about wrong library
[04:35] <RototoR> visik_: I think so. libGL* is a symlink to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL* - as created by the fglrx drivers
[04:35] <RototoR> visik_: Maybe I could try reinstalling some packages?
[04:36] <visik_> dunno what package I don't use ati driver :)
[04:36] <RototoR> hmm, who knows this? *g*
[04:36] <XVampireX_> Hi, while configuring SVN kopete:
[04:36] <XVampireX_> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[04:36] <XVampireX_> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[04:36] <XVampireX_> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[04:41] <NoUse> XVampireX you need the kde packages ending with -dev, also you need the build-essential package
[04:49] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: install kde-devel
[04:50] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Tons of dependencies which won't install
[04:50] <Monkee13> In kontact and Korginizer my exchange2000 calendar is the wrong offset for hours.  My system, app, and exchnge server are all set to he corect timezone.  Anu ideas?
[04:50] <nalioth> XVampireX: in a console, "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:50] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: pastebin the errors?
[04:52] <XVampireX> ok, just a sec
[04:52] <XVampireX> http://pastebin.com/739375
[05:00] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: great.
[05:00] <XVampireX> lol
[05:00] <XVampireX> What's so great about it? :P
[05:01] <markc> anyone using amaroK v1.4a ?
[05:02] <gibarian> Hi, I've got a question relating to external harddrives...anyone?
[05:03] <markc> gibarian: just ask
[05:04] <freemanen> fixme:msi:MsiInstallProductW L"AutoRun.exe" (null)
[05:04] <freemanen> fixme:msi:MSI_OpenDatabaseW open failed r = 80030050!
[05:04] <freemanen> what does this error mean?
[05:04] <gibarian> right...I'm using an external harddisk, holding my photos and music...how can I have a fixed mountpoint for the disk, so apps with databases (like amarok or picasa) won't get confused over different locations of the media
[05:05] <markc> damn, I wish I knew the answer to that one :-/
[05:06] <Shuriken> gibarian: you can mount you extertal where you want
[05:06] <Shuriken> *external HD
[05:07] <markc> yes, but usb drives tend to get automounted where the system wants... which can be different the next time one reboots etc
[05:07] <wimpies>  anybody here that can help me with Amarok and the xine backend
[05:08] <Shuriken> does your external HD always on the same USB grip ?
[05:08] <markc> wimpies: for some reason my marok 1.4a won't play streaming files... something has changed (for me) in recent dapper updates
[05:08] <_nano_> gibarian: you can write your own udev rule
[05:09] <dickhall> slow night in here
[05:09] <Bilford> should I have version 1.3.9 of amaroK still
[05:09] <gibarian> shuriken: Yes, I know...the problem is that I won't know whether it's going to be sda, sda1, sdc, etc...I have to enter all possibilities into fstab, resulting in any other USB device like my camera, sitting on top of the already mounted external disk
[05:09] <markc> _nano_: doesn't that depend on the usb drive having a label though ?
[05:10] <_nano_> markc: there are so many things you can use as a key..like product, model etc
[05:10] <dickhall> hah, or not, my screen just wasn't scrolling :p
[05:10] <_nano_> markc: i've used the serial number for instance
[05:10] <wimpies> markc : i just tried an mp3 file but i get this XINE backend problem all the time
[05:10] <gibarian> _nano_: how do I set up the udev system?
[05:11] <gibarian> _nano_: nevermind, I looked it up
[05:11] <Shuriken> gibarian: i understand that, but if your external HD is ALWAYS connected on the same USB grip, so Ubuntu will always recognize it on the same grip
[05:11] <_nano_> gibarian: let me give you some links .. they have explained it real well
[05:11] <wimpies> is there ANY place I can find some logging or error output ?
[05:11] <_nano_> gibarian: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
[05:11] <markc> wimpies: perhaps it might be worth trying the 1.4 version of amaroK from -> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[05:12] <wimpies> markc : I just did and that has the problem too
[05:12] <_nano_> gibarian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/11/msg00689.html
[05:12] <gibarian> _nano_: thanks!
[05:12] <markc> wimpies: bugger, so your arts plays sound but xine does not ?
[05:13] <gibarian> Shuriken: what if I turn off my external disk, then on again, all in the same session...if in between another USB device as been added, the system will assign it to another grip
[05:13] <_nano_> gibarian: like in my case, i've a usb hub..and I have two different ext hard drives..one for media and another for documents and backup....my media hardrive always gets mounted to /mnt/music :D
[05:13] <gibarian> _nano_: that's exactly what I need
[05:13] <wimpies> yes indeed but the arts engine seems not to be available for 1.4 (hard
[05:14] <wimpies> dependency of the egine to version 1.3.9
[05:14] <markc> _nano_: can you spare a quick on-irc tutorial ? :-)
[05:14] <_nano_> gibarian: the first link is kinda bible..it's really helpful
[05:14] <wimpies> so it works for amarok 1.3 only
[05:14] <Bazzi> arts has been wiped from amarok 1.4, yes
[05:14] <Bazzi> primarily now xine, secondary gstreamer
[05:14] <markc> wimpies: and xine does not work for either the dapper or 1.4 amaroK... double bugger
[05:14] <_nano_> markc: i'm myself a noob..but can share my experiences :P
[05:14] <gibarian> _nano_: alright, thanks again
[05:15] <wimpies> Actually I don't get this sound thing
[05:15] <Hobbsee> markc: it doesnt?
[05:15] <wimpies> amarok plays through xine which plays to arts but which has a backend to xine ?
[05:16] <markc> wimpies: I don't think xine uses arts as a backend, it could use either ALSA or OSS (or ALSA/OSS emulation) for the backend driver
[05:16] <_nano_> XVampireX: there?
[05:17] <gibarian> anyone tried Picasa already?
[05:17] <robotgeek> gibarian: digikam works very well, thank you. plus, i am on ppc
[05:17] <_nano_> gibarian: didn't try the new wine linux port yet :P
[05:18] <wimpies> I thought that also was not able to handle inputs from multiple sources and that was
[05:18] <wimpies> the task of arts ?
[05:18] <_nano_> robotgeek: sup!
[05:19] <robotgeek> _nano_: nothing much
[05:19] <markc> wimpies... ALSA... later versions of alsa with modern cards can multiplex sounds
[05:19] <XVampireX> _nano_: If I'm here? Yes
[05:19] <gibarian> _nano_: well, it's pretty good actually...
[05:19] <wimpies> so what is the purpose of arts then
[05:19] <_nano_> XVampireX: i'm trying to figure out a way to make swiftfox use artsdsp :-S
[05:20] <XVampireX> No idea, I want it to use alsa
[05:20] <_nano_> XVampireX: unlike firefox, running flash sound in swiftfox  blocks other sound apps ...
[05:20] <r0xz> where do i paypal if i want to donate some money to the shipit guys? I did this for the breezy cd's too, but i can't find the right email anymore
[05:20] <XVampireX> It happened to me in firefox too
[05:20] <markc> wimpies: it used to be the only consistant way to mix sounds, and provides an api for various programs... but it's on the way out, it's unmaintained and a thing called Phono will take over in KDE4
[05:20] <_nano_> XVampireX: but the firefox issue is resolvable...
[05:20] <markc> Phonon
[05:21] <XVampireX> How?
[05:21] <_nano_> XVampireX: the firefox script is a bit different from swiftfox script
[05:21] <_nano_> XVampireX: the firefox script has the provision to specify the DSP (artsdsp in our case)
[05:21] <wimpies> Ok
[05:22] <XVampireX> I don't know :-/
[05:22] <wimpies> whats this with skype then ? why does skype block audio ?
[05:22] <_nano_> XVampireX: so with firefox I can listen to music and still hear the whitehouse presidential debate on googlevideos :D
[05:22] <markc> wimpies: perhaps try xmms as an alternate app and see what happens
[05:22] <markc> wimpies: it can use ALSA or OSS directly as a backend
[05:22] <XVampireX> I'm gonna try aoss I think
[05:22] <wimpies> markc : xmms works like a charm
[05:23] <_nano_> XVampireX: vi /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
[05:23] <markc> wimpies: because it only uses the OSS backend (or it used to, maybe it uses ALSA now, not sure)
[05:24] <wimpies> Ah so any system using ALSA is able to 'mix' inputs ?
[05:24] <EvilIdler> If Skype uses OSS directly, and you don't have a Creative Live/Audigy card, it hogs all audio
[05:24] <wimpies> evilldler : i have used the hyjacker program and at least I do not have
[05:24] <wimpies> to restart skype once I had a call
[05:25] <markc> wimpies: well certainly any modern card, ALSA also has a built in "dmix" but I'm not sure how many apps can use that notively
[05:25] <markc> yet
[05:25] <markc> natively yet
[05:25] <masterloki> Hi there anyone has enabled mp3 playback on 6.06?
[05:25] <masterloki> libmad0 and libxine-extra
[05:25] <masterloki> arent in repos
[05:26] <XVampireX> nano: Ok, I tried aoss with swiftfox and it works, so use it
[05:26] <robotgeek> masterloki, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:27] <_nano_> XVampireX: what did you try exactly.? (so that I can try and replicate)
[05:27] <_nano_> XVampireX: i mean the steps :D
[05:27] <XVampireX> You just have to start swiftfox with aoss
[05:28] <_nano_> "aoss swiftfox"  ?
[05:28] <XVampireX> How did you install swiftfox? Did you just unpack it and run it from the folder?
[05:28] <_nano_> yea
[05:28] <XVampireX> yeah, prefix aoss and then swiftfox
[05:28] <_nano_> the fonts etc are better in swiftfox :D
[05:28] <_nano_> means ubuntu's firefox build is :-S
[05:29] <XVampireX> swiftfox fonts are better BUT
[05:29] <XVampireX> Some italics are hard to see
[05:29] <wimpies> what is amarokapp ?
[05:31] <XVampireX> nano: I tested it on exactly what you said: flash application (I.E: pandora music) and google video
[05:31] <dom> wimpies, amarok? it's a music (media?) player.  it's bitchin
[05:31] <_nano_> XVampireX: did you try running amarok while pandora was running?
[05:32] <XVampireX> I'm not sure amarok works with alsa
[05:32] <wimpies> when I run amarok it says I should not use gdb or valgrind on it but use amarokapp
[05:32] <dom> XVampireX, sure it does.  I run it with alsa.
[05:32] <_nano_> XVampireX: it shouldn't matter right? the point is that my browser shouldn't lock up my media players
[05:33] <XVampireX> It does matter
[05:33] <_nano_> XVampireX: "aoss swiftfox" returns "aoss command not found" :-s
[05:34] <markc> wimpies: hmm, I just downgraded to amarok 1.3.9 and get the same thing when I try to start it from a shell... it still won't play PLS streams from the net though... something has changed in dapper in the last 24 hours
[05:34] <XVampireX> _nano_: You need aoss installed
[05:34] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install aoss
[05:34] <XVampireX> or wait, whatever the package name was
[05:35] <XVampireX> sudo apt-get install alsa-oss
[05:35] <XVampireX> It is OSS applications that lock the sound device
[05:35] <wimpies> markc : I have 9 updates on dapper pending but non seem to be related to audio
[05:36] <XVampireX> But I heard you can somehow get xine to use alsa, need to figure out how exactly
[05:37] <markc> XVampireX: in amarok, at least, there is an Output plugin option when using the xine engine
[05:38] <XVampireX> Where?
[05:38] <markc> settings -> engine
[05:38] <imbrandon> *blinks*
[05:38] <XVampireX> Ah, cool
[05:39] <XVampireX> works!
[05:39] <_nano_> but then i've to do that for every media player
[05:39] <_nano_> kaffeine, vlc etc tec
[05:39] <imbrandon> only once
[05:39] <XVampireX> Yup
[05:40] <_nano_> and all this for just the browser...so if I could make the browser behave....
[05:42] <XVampireX> _nano_: I don't think you have to, the browser plugins work together with the browser
[05:43] <XVampireX> so if you launched it with aoss, you can get all plugins working with aoss
[05:43] <_nano_> XVampireX: and aoss won't conflict with kaffein etc..right?
[05:44] <XVampireX> No idea
[05:44] <XVampireX> I don't think
[05:44] <_nano_> cool
[05:44] <_nano_> now let me try it :D
[05:44] <XVampireX> hehe
[05:46] <XVampireX> The skype bastards are very behind with the linux release
[05:46] <XVampireX> No alsa support yet
[05:46] <XVampireX> Nor does aoss work with skype
[05:48] <markc> does this work for anyone ? -> amarok http://somafm.com/groovesalad.pls
[05:48] <XVampireX> markc: Nope, it doesn't work
[05:48] <XVampireX> I wanted to listen to it today
[05:48] <benoit> when Kubuntu 6.06 will be downloadable ?
[05:48] <markc> ah, maybe somefm.com has problems... whew
[05:48] <XVampireX> Yeah
[05:48] <_nano_> XVampireX: I'm not getting any sound with aoss (note, amarok isn't running)
[05:49] <XVampireX> It does because other stations don't work
[05:49] <XVampireX> _nano_: You need to get dmix, too
[05:49] <XVampireX> It's really easy with dmix though
[05:49] <_nano_> XVampireX: what's dmix?
[05:49] <_nano_> !dmix
[05:49] <ubotu> I heard dmix is first try system>prefrences>multimedia system selector change it to alsa. for oss application type aoss <appl name> if still have problems then http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:49] <klerfayt> dmix is enabled by default
[05:49] <XVampireX> Yeah it is
[05:49] <klerfayt> aoss is in multiverse
[05:50] <markc> ah yes, bassdrive works
[05:50] <XVampireX> But I think I had to enable it :P
[05:50] <klerfayt> for firefox to use aoss you need to edit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc
[05:50] <klerfayt> FIREFOX_DSP="aoss"
[05:51] <XVampireX> We're using swiftfox
[05:51] <_nano_> klerfayt: the point is we are not using the default firefox build
[05:51] <klerfayt> (I'm not sure about konqueror)
[05:51] <markc> sheet, I hope somafm.com are okay... I keep meaning to make a donation :-/
[05:51] <klerfayt> ofcourse you can launch program with  aoss firefox
[05:51] <XVampireX> I replaced firefox icon with swiftfox location before and just now to test aoss I added aoss before the quote mark
[05:52] <XVampireX> AH! nano, you need to go to the multimedia settings
[05:53] <XVampireX> And then instead of auto-select you need to make it alsa
[05:53] <XVampireX> err, not auto-select.. but whatever it was that's auto :P
[05:54] <_nano_> XVampireX: yep trying that :P
[05:54] <XVampireX> Phonon should make things much easier in KDE4
[05:55] <klerfayt> aoss only works if other applications use alsa output?
[05:55] <XVampireX> No idea
[05:56] <klerfayt> XVampireX: you get no sound in swiftfox if amarok is playing? but what output is it using?
[05:56] <klerfayt> XVampireX: is it set to xine-alsa?
[05:56] <XVampireX> klerfayt: I already fixed the amarok problem
[06:06] <XVampireX> yakuake... just heard about this program
[06:06] <fool> d3mon84: #ubuntu-it-chat :)
[06:16] <ccc_> XVampireX: yakuake = best ever :)
[06:18] <v3ctor> i use kuake
[06:19] <xfizzle> yakuake ? what is?
[06:19] <macd> yeah yakuake rocks
[06:20] <macd> its like konsole but scrolls up and down so its out of your way
[06:20] <xfizzle> wow
[06:20] <xfizzle> is that in the repos?
[06:20] <macd> f12 is the action key, though just moving out of focus will do the same
[06:20] <macd> sure it is :)
[06:20] <xfizzle> wow where the heck have I been
[06:20] <macd> then just alt+f2 yakuake
[06:21] <macd> ok katapault
[06:21] <macd> or*
[06:21] <xfizzle> im rather fond of katapult
[06:21] <macd> and it supports transparency, when coupled with X's composite, its impressive and smooth
[06:21] <xfizzle> I never did figure out how to use x's composite
[06:21] <macd> I never actualy got into katapault I just ue alt+f2 (run command)
[06:21] <macd> its pretty easy :)
[06:22] <macd> add a few lines to your xorg.conf
[06:22] <macd> want me to stick them on pastebin for you?
[06:22] <xfizzle> yes
[06:22] <CoOlGhOsT> hey all
[06:22] <CoOlGhOsT> I recently installed ubuntu (migrated from mandriva), then afterwards i installed the kubuntu packages. when i use the "log off" menu item in KDE i only have an option of "End session". How do I get options of closing the computer etc in the dialog that appears???
[06:23] <xfizzle> yakuake is awesome
[06:23] <macd> xfizzle:   http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739570    add that to the very bottom, restart X then your good to go, though Id recommend checking to see if you have DRI enabled, as its way slow without
[06:23] <xfizzle> how do I check for dri?
[06:23] <dickhall> what does yakuake offer over, say, console?
[06:23] <macd> at yakuake :P
[06:23] <macd> type glxinfo
[06:24] <macd> check to see that it doesnt say mesa indirect
[06:24] <xfizzle> Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G 20050225 ?
[06:25] <macd> good to go :)
[06:25] <macd> lucky you, I still havent got my DRI working on my laptop with ATI..
[06:26] <xfizzle> ill paste it into pastebin so you can take a look if you like
[06:26] <macd> your good to go :) you can jsut add those lines to your xorg.conf and youll have composite manager
[06:26] <dickhall> is yakuake more robust than kuake? websites are a little sparse on details...
[06:26] <larsivi|idc_pl> !xine
[06:26] <ubotu> larsivi|idc_pl: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:27] <macd> dickhall: Ive never used kuake, so Im not sure about the differences, is there anything that kuake doesnt do that youd like it too?
[06:27] <dickhall> never used kuake either :) just Konsole
[06:27] <xfizzle> macd 2 questions. where is the xorg.conf and is yakuake themeable
[06:28] <xfizzle> dickhall yakuake is pretty nifty
[06:28] <dickhall> but I saw that yakuake was "Yet another Kuake", and I've never heard of either, so I figured I'd get some opinons on them
[06:28] <dickhall> trying it out currently. I spend all my time on the console (mutt, vim, irssi) so a good term is key :)
[06:28] <macd> xfizzle: 'sudo /etc/X11/xorg.conf'    yakuake might be Im not sure...I just selected uyse same settings as konsole
[06:29] <macd> dickhall: well I definetly recommend yukuake over konsole, it behave like a set of window blinds, so dekstop clutter can be kept low.
[06:30] <xfizzle> macd http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739588
[06:30] <dickhall> okay, cool
[06:30] <dickhall> a lot of KDE devs here, so if it's good I'll be a popular guy ;)
[06:31] <macd> looks good to me xfizzle
[06:31] <n3storm> hi everyone
[06:31] <n3storm> my pc is shutting down for no reason known
[06:31] <dickhall> and by kde devs I mean developers who use KDE, and by here I mean my office, not the channel
[06:31] <n3storm> I am thinking in getting a 64bits dual core machine
[06:31] <macd> I kinda figured that ;P
[06:31] <dickhall> n3storm: could be bad hardware
[06:31] <n3storm> any advice for kubuntu?
[06:31] <xfizzle> macd ill be back
[06:32] <macd> sure sure :)
[06:32] <dickhall> it's very likely not a software issue
[06:32] <n3storm> dickhall: yeah, I think so
[06:32] <dickhall> so it's not a kubuntu specific problem
[06:32] <n3storm> yes
[06:32] <macd> n3storm: the ubuntuforums have some good info on 32bit v 64bit linux, and userland stuff, its worth reading into.
[06:32] <n3storm> ok
[06:33] <n3storm> thanks macd that's what I asked for in some way
[06:33] <macd> youll find that 64bit userland isnt all its cracked upto be
[06:33] <dickhall> does it shut down when you're doing specific things? like processor intensive tasks (could be heating issue), memory intensive task (bad ram stick), etc.
[06:33] <macd> no backwards compatibility with 32bit binarys....anywho, youll see :)
[06:33] <dickhall> when my box was shutting down randomly, it turned out the capacitors on my motherboard had burst
[06:34] <dickhall> then it was my powersupply
[06:34] <macd> yeah caps on mobos = bad
[06:34] <macd> caps on apple powerbooks = worse :P
[06:34] <dickhall> heh
[06:35] <dickhall> hope they have a different mobo on ibooks, 'cause I have one
[06:35] <macd> my coreduo one has been sent in like 3 times
[06:35] <n3storm> macd: yeah, it doesn't look very well for me
[06:35] <n3storm> dickhall: is an all-in-board and I think it's in bad state
[06:36] <n3storm> I cannot even replace the CPU so I want to replace the whole machine
[06:36] <macd> ahh yes
[06:36] <dickhall> might be an idea :)
[06:36] <_serenity> hiho
[06:36] <dickhall> might want to throw in a liveCD of some sort and run it for a while, just to make sure it's a hardware problem
[06:36] <macd> n3storm: PC mag just had a great article on building a cheap but
[06:36] <macd> opps, I didnt finish
[06:37] <dickhall> of course, that won't test if your hard drive is the problem, unless you've got it set up to use swap
[06:37] <_serenity> what does "safe default" mean when kubuntu is booting?
[06:37] <n3storm> dickhall: nice idea
[06:37] <macd> none the less it was a sub $500 machine that was pretty well equiped
[06:37] <dickhall> and even then it won't test all your hard disk. still, it could narrow it down
[06:37] <macd> _serenity: for one it allows you root
[06:37] <n3storm> dickhall: I'll try later on, but anyway this pc has to go
[06:37] <dickhall> yeah, building your own machine's the way to go. I've built my past 4 (discounting the ibook, of course), and I don't think I've paid over $700 CDN for one including monitor
[06:38] <dickhall> cool, good luck
[06:38] <_serenity> macd: allows you root?
[06:38] <dickhall> sudo su - ?
[06:38] <n3storm> I wonder if I could get a small pc, mini pc or something like that, any ideas?
[06:38] <macd> _serenity: yes normal kubuntu doesnt allow you to be root, safe default is a maintance mode of sorts, it allows you to become root, also there is no gui.
[06:39] <macd> n3storm: shuttlePC has a line of barebones intel dual core and amd dual core
[06:39] <macd> I think you could put one together minus display for about 650
[06:39] <n3storm> macd: compatible with Kubuntu?
[06:39] <macd> USD*
[06:39] <macd> n3storm: of course
[06:39] <_serenity> macd: oh, i see. Just wondered if it is some kind of "don't load to many drivers etc"-mode
[06:39] <n3storm> great! hehehe
[06:39] <macd> n3storm: basicly, linux friendly, = nvidia gfx
[06:40] <Mitja> How do I upgrade to new version of KDE?
[06:40] <macd> Mitja: what version are you on now? and what kubuntu version?
[06:41] <dickhall> macd: what do you mean, doesn't allow you to be root? do you mean in the gui?
[06:41] <dickhall> 'cause I use a root console all the time
[06:41] <macd> dickhall: well unless youve set a root password in kubuntu, you cant be root, you sudo to act as root
[06:41] <macd> !sudo
[06:41] <ubotu> hmm... sudo is a command that will let users run commands as root. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:41] <HymnToLife> dickhall> tes, who needs to be root in the GUI anyway ?
[06:42] <dickhall> HymnToLife: I agree, I was just trying to clarify what he was saying
[06:42] <macd> kdm runs as root :P
[06:42] <macd> but thats another story
[06:42] <dickhall> but if you sudo su -, you are root
[06:42] <HymnToLife> you _can_ get a root terminal, just the command to get it is different
[06:42] <macd> kinda pointless to me :P
[06:42] <HymnToLife> it's sudo -i instead of su
[06:42] <Mitja> What's the command for kubuntu version?
[06:43] <macd> Mitja: is it breezy or dapper?
[06:43] <Mitja> breezy, KDE 3.4.3
[06:43] <macd> well you can enable the kde 3.5.1 repos for breezy
[06:43] <macd> would you like the repos to add to your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[06:43] <dickhall> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[06:44] <dickhall> 3.5.2 is available for breezy, I've been running it since it came out, quite stable
[06:44] <HymnToLife> 3.5.2 actually :)
[06:44] <HymnToLife> !kde
[06:44] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[06:44] <xfizzle> macd it worked
[06:44] <HymnToLife> dammit, I added the 352-thing in it
[06:44] <dickhall> don't mind me, I'm new here
[06:44] <macd> xfizzle: you like>
[06:45] <xfizzle> oh yeah!
[06:45] <macd> Mitja: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-351.php  theres some instructions
[06:45] <Mitja> macd, thanks
[06:45] <wimpies> if I can hear audion from my microphone on my speakers but am not able to record from it
[06:45] <xfizzle> macd are there any other tweaks I can use?
[06:45] <wimpies> using the sound recorder, what might be wrong ?
[06:45] <macd> xfizzle: not that I can think of off hand
[06:46] <HymnToLife> !kde
[06:46] <HymnToLife> that's better :)
[06:47] <macd> maybee I can get some help now :)
[06:47] <xfizzle> macd whats going on?
[06:47] <macd> DRI not working :P
[06:47] <xfizzle> what gfx card?
[06:48] <macd>  ATI IGP340M
[06:48] <xfizzle> are you on dapper
[06:48] <macd> though http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/737380   is my Xorg.0.log and it sais DRI was loaded succesfully
[06:48] <macd> yes@dapper
[06:48] <macd> worked in breezy no prob
[06:48] <xfizzle> try your luck at #ubuntu+1
[06:49] <macd> yeah I was thinking that
[06:50] <macd> Id love to get it working on my laptop, I want composte manager back :)
[06:50] <macd> its eyecandy to the extreme ;)
[06:51] <xfizzle> macd it totally is
[06:51] <macd> is your working very smooth and fast?
[06:52] <xfizzle> macd you know what, xfce picked up the fact that I enabled the composite manager right away
[06:52] <macd> interesting,
[06:52] <xfizzle> totally It faded out the panels
[06:53] <xfizzle> but I still don't know how to fade out apps
[06:53] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello All, first time here.
[06:53] <macd> hmm, in kde the apps fade nicely
[06:54] <xfizzle> damn xfce! lol
[06:54] <xfizzle> I will log onto my kde account to check it out
[06:54] <xfizzle> ] brb as kdizzle
[06:56] <Jack_Sparrow> Anyone here used Mepis or Knoppix.  Those are all I have used and I would like to know more about what to expect now that I am switching to kubuntu
[06:57] <macd> Jack_Sparrow: first off, hows your ship doing? sunk any lately?
[06:57] <macd> Jack_Sparrow: expect a great experience with kubuntu
[06:57] <HymnToLife> well, Knoppix is a Live CD so it's not realy the same thing
[06:57] <macd> Knoppix can be installed I do believe
[06:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Knoppix has both live and install versions
[06:58] <HymnToLife> and Mepis AFAIK is very user-friendly, Ubuntu is a bit less
[06:58] <HymnToLife> you'll have to do much more stuff in the command line for example
[06:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Warren who wrote Mepis is switching to an Ubuntu base
[06:59] <Jack_Sparrow> IS it still Debian?
[06:59] <macd> yes
[06:59] <Jack_Sparrow> That helps
[06:59] <ubuntu> hi anyone can tell me if the Live CD installer is the actual installer for the Kubuntu 6.06 ?
[06:59] <macd> ubuntu is basicly a different "glue" if that makes sense
[06:59] <h3sp4wn> alternative is the older installer
[07:00] <dickhall> hrm.. is there a way to force Katapult to rescan it's db?
[07:00] <Jack_Sparrow> I have compiled kernels if that helps you to know my level of understanding
[07:00] <ubuntu> h3s: oh, so this Live Cd installer is the new one?
[07:00] <macd> h3sp4wn: so the radeon driver wont do DRI ? I had read in to forums that it did :/
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> macd: You have got dri
[07:01] <h3sp4wn> macd: support for anything greater than 9250 is still considered expermental by the devs of xorg
[07:01] <ctothej> is there a way to download and install kdevelop using adept or apt-get?
[07:02] <macd> well I think a IGP340 is way under a 9250
[07:02] <kdizzle> macd, The apps aren't translucnet
[07:02] <kdizzle> *translucent
[07:02] <macd> kdizzle: oh snap! , they do fade in and out correct?
[07:02] <macd> h3sp4wn: should I be able to get direct rendering with the radeon driver?
[07:03] <macd> glxinfo would say direct rendering: yes
[07:03] <RadiantFire> ctothej: yes, just search for kdevelop
[07:03] <kdizzle> they look the same as they did before i enabled x thing
[07:03] <ctothej> i used adept and put kdevelop in the search box, nothing showed up...
[07:03] <kdizzle> *pardon that last bit
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> macd: I don't know about your card it is possible you may be able to but I don't know how (may check xorg 7.1 to see whether it now supports 9800pro with radeon driver)
[07:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Will I have any problems with my Nvidia Card.. 6600 I think is the chioset
[07:05] <Jack_Sparrow> chipset
[07:05] <macd> ty h3sp4wn
[07:05] <kdizzle> oh macd when the window is inactive the border is translucent
[07:05] <macd> 7.1 isnt in the official repos yet is it?
[07:05] <kdizzle> but thats it
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> macd: Its experimental as expressed in the release notes of xorg 7
[07:05] <xwolf-> can anybody point me a site you can download subtitles?
[07:06] <macd> xwolf-: Im not sure thats a question for #Kubuntu
[07:06] <h3sp4wn> macd: probably not until edgy at least (I don't think the edgy repos have opened yet) fglrx should work though
[07:06] <xwolf-> that's NOT a question for kub, but i have nowhere else to ask
[07:07] <xwolf-> anyway, if one knew such a site, couldnt he just PM me the address?
[07:07] <n3storm1> crash again
[07:09] <LorandKA> hello
[07:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello
[07:09] <LorandKA> have just isntalled kubuntu
[07:09] <LorandKA> first problems :P
[07:09] <xwolf-> congratulations
[07:10] <LorandKA> first problem: cannot set refresh rate to more than 60hz
[07:10] <LorandKA> @1024
[07:11] <LorandKA> how can i set refresh to more than 60hz?
[07:11] <Ryoga85> Hi, I have a problem with adept-updater
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> LorandKA: Are you using an lcd panel some / (most ?) are recommended to be run at 60hz
[07:12] <LorandKA> no, i just have an old monitor
[07:12] <LorandKA> crt
[07:12] <Ryoga85> It says "Database in use", so I can't update my system :( can anyone help?
[07:12] <h3sp4wn> LorandKA: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:13] <LorandKA> i have used it at 1024@75hz, on ms
[07:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Did you have it running a faster refresh on another OS
[07:13] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[07:13] <dickhall> Ryoga85: sounds like apt is hung up somewhere. Do you know how to kill apt from a command line?
[07:14] <ctothej> How would i use apt to get kdevelop?
[07:15] <dickhall> ctothej: kdevelop is in "universe"
[07:15] <Ryoga85> dickhall: apt is not running, I just started kubuntu
[07:15] <ctothej> dickhall: so i need to add that to apt's config file right?
[07:16] <dickhall> ctothej: yeah, there should be a line you can uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:16] <d3mon84> hi, is there any wpa_supplicant expert?
[07:16] <LorandKA> reconfigured xserver, still cannot shoose more options for refresh rate
[07:16] <ctothej> dickhall: thanks.. ill try it now
[07:16] <dickhall> no prob
[07:16] <LorandKA> do i need to restart?
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> LorandKA: Yes you need to restart
[07:17] <LorandKA> okey
[07:17] <LorandKA> brb
[07:17] <dickhall> Ryoga85: so `ps auxww | grep apt` doesn't give you anything?
[07:17] <LorandKA> well one more important thing
[07:17] <Ryoga85> brb triing to restart KDE and see if it helps
[07:17] <dickhall> hrm.. that's always been the case whenever that happend to me (though it hasn't happened in a while
[07:17] <dickhall> k
[07:18] <LorandKA> where can i get that script, that mount automatically my windows partitions?
[07:18] <LorandKA> url? simething
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> Couldn't tell you just add the partition to /etc/fstab is about the easiest way
[07:19] <LorandKA> well i'm an absolute newbie
[07:19] <LorandKA> is there a more easier way?
[07:19] <n3storm1> hi
[07:19] <n3storm1> I came back in the laptop
[07:19] <n3storm1> the pc crashed again
[07:19] <LorandKA> settings/ system administration /filesystem
[07:19] <n3storm1> but I don't have the display settings applet in kcontrol
[07:21] <n3storm1> I need to change resolution
[07:21] <tRSS> quick question: my resolution has been changed from 1024x768 to 800x600 after a reboot. i am using (K)ubuntu 5.10
[07:22] <n3storm1> !dpkg-reconfigure
[07:22] <ubotu> n3storm1: I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:23] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just downloaded Poseidon from the net in VCD format, it's divided in 2 cds, each with a couple of .bin/.cue files, how can i playe the movie?
[07:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Burn it
[07:24] <Ryoga85> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[07:24] <Ryoga85> I did that and it works
[07:24] <dickhall> Tallia1Kubuntu: to view the movie, simply go to a theater and pay money ;)
[07:24] <Massacration> good afternoon
[07:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ^__-
[07:24] <dickhall> heh
[07:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it was the old poseidon, not the new one
[07:25] <dickhall> 1960's? with leslie neilson? sweet
[07:25] <Massacration> could anybody  help me
[07:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Did he pass away?
[07:25] <Jack_Sparrow> Whats up Mass
[07:25] <Massacration> i'm having trouble withmy keyboard
[07:26] <Jack_Sparrow> Dont tell me.. You cant get a new console
[07:27] <Jack_Sparrow> My DL of Kubuntu is 50%
[07:27] <Massacration> how do i reconfig them?
[07:28] <tRSS> why is everybody having resolution problem suddenly?
[07:28] <ossosso> hi friends!
[07:28] <Massacration> it's taking about a  second
[07:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Is it a wireless keyboard?
[07:28] <ossosso> I'm trying to download with the torrent software, but it doesnt' go
[07:28] <ossosso> in which way can I see which port that program uses?
[07:28] <Massacration> to show aaaaaaaany  char in kubuntu
[07:29] <Massacration> no its a regular keyboard
[07:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Had to ask.
[07:30] <Massacration> its noy even usb
[07:30] <Jack_Sparrow> What is your cpu speed and monitor res?
[07:31] <Jack_Sparrow> I am shooting in the dark since I dont have kubuntu installed yet
[07:31] <Massacration> but when i pressss any char, I have to hold it for about 1 sec before it shows on kubuntu
[07:32] <tRSS> Mass:  you might to have simply change the keyboard settings, but I can't remember where they are, as I am currently on an OS X(x86) machine
[07:33] <dickhall> hrm.. not sure I really like yakuake
[07:33] <Massacration> anybody knows the com to reconfig it?
[07:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I am currently on an XPee box myself
[07:34] <macd> dickhall: its customizable, just look at the menu
[07:34] <dickhall> it doesn't allow you to change the order of tabs like konsole does
[07:34] <dickhall> I checked the shortcuts, there's no way to add a new one
[07:34] <macd> yeah I noticed that as well, you can rename them however
[07:35] <dickhall> yeah, but my workflow is such that often I'm flicking back and forth between to tabs
[07:35] <dickhall> er, s/to/two
[07:36] <macd> gotcha
[07:36] <macd> I can see why that would be a(n) issue
[07:36] <dickhall> so, if it's tab 1 and 5 that I'm toggling, and I'm running yakuake, I'm SOL
[07:36] <dickhall> neat eye-candy though
[07:36] <tRSS> so how do I fix my resolution? my resolution changed from 1024x768 to 800x600 after I rebooted my box. no changes were made. I have even looked at my xorg.conf file and everything seems in place. help would be appreicated. i am running (K)Ubuntu 5.10
[07:36] <macd> I really like the fact it moves out the way when Im done
[07:36] <macd> Im a vim whore nodbout
[07:37] <dickhall> but it looks like it just allows you to use f12 as a hotkey instead of alt-tab
[07:37] <macd> you can change the hotkey
[07:37] <dickhall> yeah, maybe I'll install it on my home machine
[07:37] <dickhall> but here at work I'm always in the console anyway, and usually only have Konsole + Firefox open, so it moving out of the way isn't really a benefit
[07:38] <Massacration> dpkg - reconfig xserver
[07:38] <macd> brb, need to restart X
[07:39] <ctothej> you guys like kdevelop as a c++ editor?
[07:39] <Massacration> is this the right command?
[07:39] <corey> anyone here familiar with konversation?
[07:39] <Massacration> dpkg - reconfig xserver
[07:39] <Massacration> is this the right command?
[07:39] <dickhall> ctothej: I'm just about to get into it in the next few days
[07:39] <ctothej> corey, its a very simple prog
[07:39] <corey> ctothej: well i cant get the connect command to work
[07:39] <corey> i have commands in there, but its not executing them ;/
[07:40] <ctothej> dickhall: i'm scoping it out now. i want it for ruby too
[07:40] <Massacration> fat bastards
[07:40] <ctothej> connect command?
[07:40] <corey> yea
[07:40] <Massacration> fat bastards
[07:40] <corey> commands to execute after you connect to server
[07:40] <ctothej> ahhh
[07:41] <corey> help says you can put in a command and i did, yet its not executing it
[07:43] <ctothej> corey: which topic in the help file did you look under? i want to check it out
[07:43] <corey> um
[07:43] <corey> Defining new networks, servers and auto join channels
[07:43] <corey> its the 2nd picture
[07:43] <corey> #4
[07:43] <corey> im using same command they are using, yet with AuthServ
[07:44] <ctothej> why AuthServ?
[07:44] <corey> cause network im on with it doesnt use nickserv
[07:44] <ctothej> oh... which network?
[07:45] <dickhall> ctothej: cool. I want to get into Qt/KDE development, and they highly recommend using kdevelop, so I figure why not
[07:45] <slow-motion> re
[07:45] <dickhall> and my "IDE" is currently vim (for C, perl, javascript, html)
[07:46] <dickhall> unfortunately, the "vimpart" KDE part is discontinued, I could never get it to work
[07:46] <ctothej> dickhall: yeah, i am currently messing around with a GTK project. I think you need to get a QT plugin... hmm
[07:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> does ever happen to anybody lately that firefox stop running? it simply freeeezes when i open some webpages :( ?
[07:47] <ctothej> brb going to check this auto ident command...
[07:47] <dickhall> k
[07:47] <dickhall> I think it natively supports QT, seeing how KDE is built on it and kdevelop is touted as the IDE for KDE
[07:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Tallia, link a site that locks you up
[07:50] <corey> ctothej: authserv
[07:50] <corey> er
[07:50] <corey> gamesurge
[07:50] <ctothej> corey: hmm, i just set it up fine for freenode...
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Jack_Sparrow: ok, gimme the time
[07:50] <corey> i dont know why it wont work for me
[07:50] <corey> it doesnt message authserv or anything
[07:52] <ctothej> corey: put your commands: line in quotes here..
[07:53] <corey> hrm
[07:53] <corey> im getting a [451]  Register error
[07:53] <corey> im just doing /msg AuthServ Name Pass
[07:54] <ctothej> corey: looking through the AuthServ help, got this -> "-AuthServ- /msg AuthServ@Services.GameSurge.net AUTH [account]  <password>"
[07:54] <corey> nah
[07:54] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Jack_Sparrow: www.europlex.it
[07:54] <corey> its a shortcut
[07:54] <ctothej> use "AUTH" before name, pass
[07:54] <corey> er
[07:54] <corey> im doing that
[07:54] <corey> i just typed it out
[07:55] <ctothej> you typed: "/msg AuthServ Name Pass", im saying to type: "/msg AuthServ AUTH Name Pass"
[07:55] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Jack_Sparrow: any idea?
[07:55] <corey> i am
[07:55] <ctothej> oh
[07:55] <corey> i didnt copy and paste
[07:55] <ctothej> ahh
[07:56] <corey> it says
[07:56] <corey> [451]  Register first
[07:56] <corey> and thats not an authserv error
[07:56] <Jack_Sparrow> It is looking for the latest flash player..
[07:57] <ctothej> corey: its not recognizing your account...
[07:57] <corey> no
[07:57] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry I am bandwidth challenged today
[07:57] <corey> its something on konversations side
[07:57] <corey> cause  thats not an authserv error
[07:57] <corey> [12:56:54]  [451]  corey Register first.
[07:58] <corey> corey isnt my accoruntname eithe
[07:58] <Jack_Sparrow> Does anyone know what version of flash is still working with Kubuntu
[07:58] <ctothej> corey: i think konversation is sending your command, i put a simple command in and ran it, and it worked fine.
[07:59] <Jack_Sparrow> I heard they are dropping Flash support for Linux as of 8 or 9
[07:59] <corey> maybe its sending it too early?
[07:59] <ctothej> corey: its possible. or it is using your nick instead of the account name/no
[07:59] <corey> shouldnt be
[08:00] <corey> i have /authserv auth itscorey pass
[08:00] <corey> wonder how i can delay it like 5 seconds
[08:00] <ctothej> corey: can you run the command manually?
[08:01] <corey> yep
[08:01] <corey> it says it sends it after connecting but it looks like it sends it while connecting
[08:01] <corey> need to find out how to send the command several seconds later
[08:02] <ctothej> set up a mirc script to run when you connect to that network... use the "/pause s <no>" command
[08:02] <ctothej> and then /echo "stringtoidentify"
[08:03] <corey> pause?
[08:04] <corey> pause Unknown command
[08:04] <ctothej> no, its mirc script language
[08:04] <ctothej> not a network command
[08:04] <corey> oh..
[08:05] <corey> so id just do /pause s 5 /echo /AuthServ auth....
[08:06] <ctothej> think so... i havent scripted in a bit, but that seems right
[08:06] <ossosso> which comand to see Ip local address?
[08:07] <ctothej> ossosso: ifconfig
[08:07] <corey> and then in the connect command just /exec filename
[08:07] <ctothej> yep
[08:08] <ossosso> thanks.. then I don't understand why ktorrent doesn't start...
[08:09] <ossosso> onto the router I've open 6881-6889 doors for my ip
[08:09] <ossosso> there's something more have I to do?
[08:09] <ctothej> ossosso: what do you mean by opened?
[08:10] <corey> hrmm
[08:10] <corey> where do i put it ctothej?
[08:10] <corey> i put it in
[08:10] <ossosso> The NAT, the table where in the router I can open different ranges of ports
[08:10] <corey> .kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts but it didnt work
[08:10] <corey> ^ in home
[08:11] <ossosso> I've opened the range 6881-6889 (default range for torrent client) but ktorrent doesn't go
[08:11] <ctothej> corey: not really sure, i never did this for konversation. only mirc on winblows
[08:11] <ctothej> ossosso: Is there a port forwarding section?
[08:11] <uwo> hi all. tryed to upgrade to dapper with gksudo "update-manager -d" and got error message: "Could not calculate the upgrade. A unresolvable problem occured while calculating the upgrade. Please report this as a bug. ". Do you think it is safe to try to upgrade by changing repositories or am i likely to come into troubles?
[08:12] <ossosso> yes
[08:12] <ctothej> ossosso: use the port forwarding section..
[08:13] <ossosso> ?? with "port forwarding" I mean "opens that range of port that that particular software needs to enter the net"
[08:13] <ossosso> and I did it
[08:13] <ossosso> what do you mean?
[08:13] <Seantater> Has anyone here used kitchensync?
[08:14] <corey> hrm, it seems to be executing it, but not doing anything ;o
[08:14] <ctothej> ossosso: what router?
[08:14] <ossosso> Atlantis
[08:14] <corey> Using: /pause s 5 /msg AuthServ Auth ItsCorey PASS
[08:14] <ossosso> mine router :)
[08:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Oss are you not getting through the router at all.?
[08:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Are you on a secod system?
[08:15] <Jack_Sparrow> second
[08:15] <ctothej> corey: did you see the Scripting section of the help file?
[08:16] <corey> yea, it sucks
[08:16] <corey> its executing now
[08:16] <corey> but i dont think the command is right
[08:16] <ctothej> corey: ok, just make sure you gave it execute permissions
[08:16] <corey> yep
[08:16] <ctothej> hmm
[08:16] <corey> is this right: /pause s 5 /msg AuthServ Auth ItsCorey  ?
[08:17] <sonic> Anybody here ever get problems with reppppppeating kkkkkkkkeys?
[08:17] <ctothej> maybe: /pause s 5 /echo /msg AuthServ Auth ItsCorey
[08:17] <corey> sonic: system>prefs>keyboard
[08:18] <corey> hrm
[08:18] <corey> still nothing
[08:18] <corey> no output, no error
[08:18] <sonic> I don't think it's that cause I can type as fast as I want and It's fine, but every say 50 characters, even if I type really slow, I'll get a repeating character
[08:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, i have a question.
[08:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> suppose that i have this stream that i want to download using mplayer
[08:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i even record it on file?
[08:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> http://69.9.184.28/45tg34f34f4f3ws34/4400/Season%201/the[1] .4400.S01E02.nsv
[08:21] <ctothej> corey: maybe those commands only worked in mirc.
[08:22] <corey> hrm
[08:22] <corey>  i just put the straight
[08:22] <DeBert> Now that (k)ubuntu's release candidate is out, does that mean the artwork in (k)ubuntu is final?
[08:22] <ctothej> i'm trying to find some docs on the net about it now, but no luck yet
[08:22] <corey> the /authserv auth command only in the script
[08:22] <corey> and it doesnt execute
[08:23] <ctothej> try to put a simple "/say yo adrian" line in there
[08:23] <YazzY> hi guys
[08:24] <foodcoman> Greetings
[08:24] <YazzY> any idea how to change keybindings ? I cant find any application allowing this in kubuntu
[08:25] <corey> nothing ctothej
[08:25] <corey> doesnt say it
[08:25] <Riddell> YazzY: each application handles its own keybindings
[08:26] <YazzY> Riddell: not really, you can change global keybindings in kde
[08:26] <corey> i dont think /exec works like this, i think all the commands in the script are passed to bash
[08:26] <foodcoman> Riddell: I installed today.1 Dapper on my R52 thinkpad.
[08:27] <ctothej> corey: reading http://www.free2code.net/plugins/articles/read.php?id=204
[08:27] <corey> this isnt mirc though..
[08:28] <ctothej> err... right
[08:28] <Riddell> foodcoman: release candidate?
[08:28] <ctothej> been using it for so long... it just seems natural
[08:28] <corey> maybe
[08:29] <corey> in the konversation commands i can just put like
[08:29] <corey> 50 echo commands
[08:29] <corey> thatd delay it
[08:29] <ctothej> very true
[08:29] <corey> until im connected
[08:29] <bsnider> is anybody able to log into hotmail using konq?
[08:29] <ctothej> or put the auth command like 25 times!
[08:29] <YazzY> well, if kubuntu somehow locked option to change keybinding then i will have to ditch it
[08:29] <ctothej> nah.. that would probably warrant a kick
[08:30] <corey> youd think thered be a command to wait or something
[08:30] <corey> lol crap
[08:30] <corey> i put too many
[08:31] <foodcoman> Riddell: cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/2006/0525.1/    iso
[08:31] <corey> wtf?
[08:31] <corey> [13:31:20]  [421]  /msg Unknown command
[08:31] <corey> how is that an unknown command
[08:32] <ctothej> heh.. how many times did it say that?
[08:32] <corey> just once, for the auth command
[08:33] <ctothej> ohhh right. did the say commands execute before?
[08:33] <corey> ?
[08:33] <Riddell> foodcoman: yeah, that's release candidate.  any problems?
[08:33] <corey> well no
[08:33] <foodcoman> -config
[08:33] <corey> its doing it after connected now
[08:33] <corey> or at least its showing it after
[08:33] <ctothej> i meant the echo commands
[08:33] <corey> oh
[08:33] <corey> well according to timestamps the echos are after connected
[08:34] <corey> 13:32:30]  [421]  /echo Unknown command
[08:34] <corey> [13:32:30]  [421]  /msg Unknown command
[08:34] <foodcoman> Riddell: The installer for some reason glitched and I could see what came after about 53% while installing Base.  Black Screen with 2 white blocks.
[08:34] <KDEfanboy> !restricted
[08:34] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[08:34] <foodcoman> Riddell: I rebooted CD and reinstalled base and Grub with no hiccups.
[08:34] <ossosso> how cna I create a link of a file to the desktop?
[08:35] <ossosso> If I right click on it there's no option that let me do it
[08:35] <corey> command /msg should work no matter what, i dont see why its showing it as an unknown command
[08:35] <ctothej> real weird...
[08:36] <ctothej> i put this in and it worked for me: "/msg AuthServ HELP AUTH"
[08:36] <corey> i just have
[08:36] <ctothej> it just echoed the help text for the auth command
[08:36] <corey> this: /echo;/msg authserv auth
[08:36] <misieq> how do i change timezone? i mean i think i have timezone configured properly, but i'm in gmt+1 but clock indicates gmt time.
[08:36] <corey> misieq: right click on the clock
[08:37] <corey> settings>timezone
[08:37] <misieq> how obvious...
[08:37] <corey> mhm
[08:37] <nelio> re
[08:37] <nelio> ben kdm se charge oui
[08:38] <ctothej> > [14:33]  [421]  echo Unknown command
[08:38] <nelio> enfaite si tu veux le resum de ce que je voies en ce moment
[08:38] <ctothej> [14:33]  [Notice]  -AuthServ- AUTH requires more parameters.
[08:38] <nelio> c deux choses
[08:38] <corey> ?
[08:38] <ctothej> i did your command
[08:38] <nelio> konversation et la konsole
[08:38] <nelio> c tout
[08:38] <corey> whatd u put
[08:38] <nelio> oups
[08:38] <nelio> sorry
[08:38] <corey> you did this: /echo;/authserv auth ?
[08:38] <ctothej> corey: yep
[08:39] <corey> what network
[08:39] <ctothej> corey: irc.gamesurge.net
[08:39] <corey> wtf
[08:40] <ctothej> corey: what version of konversation do you have?
[08:40] <corey> 0.18 #3016
[08:41] <ctothej> same here
[08:41] <ctothej> maybe we should look into bitchx lol
[08:41] <corey> i have exactly this: /echo;/authserv auth itscorey PASS
[08:41] <corey> did u put a space?
[08:42] <ctothej> corey: no. but then i put "/say yo; /msg authserv help auth" and i got...
[08:42] <ctothej> yo; /msg authserv help auth
[08:43] <corey> what in the world
[08:43] <ctothej> sorry, wrong line
[08:43] <ctothej> [14:38]  [412]  No text to send
[08:43] <ctothej> [14:38]  [421]  /msg Unknown command
[08:43] <ctothej> why would the msg work in the first command and not in the second string?
[08:44] <corey> dunno
[08:44] <corey> i think im going to find a new client
[08:44] <PyroMithrandir> xchat ftw
[08:45] <ctothej> corey: i just pasted your line in there and got
[08:45] <ctothej> [14:40]  [Notice]  -AuthServ- Your hostmask is not valid for account ItsCorey.
[08:45] <corey> yea...
[08:45] <ctothej> so it would have worked...
[08:45] <corey> the cmd works so somethins fd
[08:48] <Seantater> does kitchensync sync general files and folders too?
[08:48] <Seantater> if so, how?
[08:54] <corey> ;p
[08:54] <corey_> using xchat now
[08:54] <corey_> since it actually works
[08:54] <ctothej> corey_: how is it?
[08:54] <corey> eh
[08:55] <corey> i need to seriously configure it
[08:59] <crazy_penguin> re
[08:59] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, xchat takes a bit of time to configure, but once that's out of the way, it's really a nice client
[09:03] <foodcoman> Every time I upgrade codec/DVD is a bugger.  Anyone have a good link?
[09:05] <muesli> hey guys... what happened to libxine-extracodecs?
[09:06] <PingunZ> ?
[09:06] <muesli> is there any mp3-codec package for xine now?
[09:06] <bsnider> what do you mean?
[09:06] <bsnider> it's still there
[09:06] <muesli> well, it's gone here
[09:06] <corey> bsnider, !restrictedformats
[09:06] <bsnider> but it's not called libxine
[09:06] <foodcoman> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?action=show&redirect=Codecs
[09:06] <PingunZ> xine-ui ?
[09:07] <muesli> no, i'm talking about libxine-extracodecs
[09:07] <muesli> the ui and the other xine libs still exist of course
[09:07] <bsnider> it's still here
[09:07] <bsnider> it's installed on my system, i yanked it out of the repos only a couple of weeks ago
[09:07] <PingunZ> Kubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) Install the libxine-extracodecs package.
[09:07] <muesli> i got multiverse and universe
[09:08] <bsnider> it's in multiverse
[09:08] <muesli> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:08] <muesli> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:08] <muesli> is only available from another source
[09:08] <bsnider> your sources.list is screwed
[09:08] <bsnider> get a better one, and your problems will be solved
[09:09] <muesli> lol, a better one
[09:09] <PingunZ> use source-o-matic
[09:09] <PingunZ> u using dapper / breezy ?
[09:09] <bsnider> it's there in dapper, you can be sure of that
[09:09] <PingunZ> second that
[09:12] <PingunZ> maybe you can upgrade to dapper ?
[09:13] <word> So the partitioner has bugs in the RC Desktop version too?
[09:13] <muesli> yeah, i got dapper
[09:13] <PingunZ> dont think so
[09:14] <muesli> it seems to be a problem with my uk mirror
[09:14] <muesli> i switched the mirror and the errormessage disappeared
[09:14] <PingunZ> lol
[09:14] <word> I just started it up and it doesn't want to work
[09:14] <bsnider> told you
[09:15] <prxq> I still have to get used to the kubuntu login screen... Other than that - upgrade went perfectly well :-)
[09:15] <word> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/739883 - i got that error when after the partition scanner thinger closed and i pressed back
[09:16] <PyroMithrandir> you can get a new login screen
[09:16] <PyroMithrandir> just search on kde-look.org
[09:17] <muesli> PingunZ: upgrade your chatzilla ;-)
[09:17] <word> is the partitioner supposed to be broken in RC Dapper?
[09:18] <PingunZ> huh why ? :p
[09:18] <word> because it's broken for me
[09:18] <cvasilak> hello there what is the name of the package that installs the SMP kernel for dapper drake?
[09:18] <PingunZ> meusli, why ?
[09:19] <cvasilak> i have a dual core processor
[09:20] <prxq> PyroMithrandir: thanks
[09:21] <muesli> PingunZ: that was the friendly way of saying "i think you could be a bit more friendly and don't assume you're just right if you're infact not"
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> cvasilak: How do you know you aren't using two cores already ?
[09:22] <ismael> what repository should I put for haven't this error "libidn11 (>= 0.5.18) but 0.5.13-1.0 is to be installed" II have a ubuntu breezy  distribution
[09:23] <wimpies> is the mplayer version in ubuntu old ?
[09:26] <foodcoman> Wireless is improved in RC.
[09:27] <cvasilak> just installed the 6.06 LTS. just whoa! no ndiswrapper for the wireless needed anymore, no alsa recompile for the sound. the system just works! many many thank to kubuntu developers.....i love you :)
[09:27] <foodcoman> Newer Kernel
[09:27] <_adam> hi all, im having problems playing mp3's with amaroK and Kaffeine. I have set "realtime priority" and raised the sound buffer but no luck. Any ideas?
[09:29] <Lynoure> _adam: what kind of problems? Sound quality or not playing at all, or something else?
[09:30] <_adam> oh sorry the mp3's play but stutter so much you can't really make it out
[09:31] <KDEfanboy> _adam: i had that problem and set my sound buffer as low as possible and that fixed it for me
[09:31] <_adam> i'll try that now
[09:32] <_adam> :( no different, still stuttering
[09:33] <_adam> if it helps i installed gstreamer0.8-mad to enable mp3 support
[09:33] <KDEfanboy> :(
[09:33] <bigkevmcbobbyd> _adam, try xmms or mpg123 from the command line
[09:33] <bigkevmcbobbyd> _adam, does other audio work ok?
[09:34] <bigkevmcbobbyd> you should set your sound buffer to be very large
[09:34] <_adam> i haven't tried anything apart from mp3's, I will download something now maybe an ogg encoded file
[09:36] <KDEfanboy> _adam: might try this too http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdemultimedia/artsbuilder/artswrapper.html
[09:36] <bigkevmcbobbyd> _adam, or just opent eh soudn settings and try the normal KDE sounds?
[09:37] <_adam> mp3 is playing fine with mpg123 from command line
[09:37] <KDEfanboy> yay
[09:39] <_adam> i have also done a "Test Sound" from the Sound System Config dialogue which is also fine
[09:40] <KDEfanboy> using gstreamer0.8-artsd?
[09:41] <_adam> no just using gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:44] <_adam> just noticed when i play the file in amaroK and move the window around a but it takes a few seconds for the screen to refresh, maybe its a memory or cpu config issue
[09:45] <KDEfanboy> i think mad's just a decoder, but artsd is an audio output module. what other gstreamer plugins do you have installed?
[09:45] <_adam> i am running on a p4 laptop with 512mb ram so system resources shouldn't be a problem
[09:48] <KDEfanboy> better question is, what is the output module configured with gstreamer in amaroK?
[09:48] <_adam> aparently i have alsa, audiofile, cdparanoia, dv, dvd, flac, gsm, hermes, jpeg, mad, misc, musepack, oss, sdl, speex, theora, vorbis pluggins
[09:49] <_adam> output pluggin in amaroK is alsasink
[09:50] <KDEfanboy> well you can try oss and see what happens. but since the test sound is running ok with the arts, you might try installing gstreamer-0.8-artsd and use that
[09:50] <KDEfanboy> trying oss will just check to see if the alsasink is the problem
[10:00] <prxq> hm. the kernel from the linux-source package errs
[10:01] <prxq> make[5] : *** [drivers/usb/net/zd1211/zddevlist.h]  Error 1
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> I've got a set of desktops with dapper who can't mount usb drives in KDE, it says can't find /dev/sda1 in fstab or mtab, however it shouldn't need to be.
[10:06] <LeeJunFan> hal should be taking care of the mounting.
[10:07] <corey> anyone here use kbear?
[10:08] <corey> it crashes whenever i try and transfer a file for some reason
[10:12] <any> hi
[10:13] <any> how can i make the middle click opening a new tab on konqueror ?
[10:14] <RogueJediX> corey: Same problem here. I just use ncftp or konqueror instead
[10:15] <segfault> hi
[10:15] <RogueJediX> any: Settings -> Configure Konqueror... -> Web Behaviour -> Middle Click opens URL in selection
[10:15] <segfault> i can't get transparency in konsole (the fake background transparency)
[10:15] <Jack_Sparrow> Just booted Kubuntu for the first time live cd..  No Games, No firefox, no thunderbird, no kvirc I used my kvm switch to bounce to this machine and when I went back to Kubuntu it was hosed up.
[10:16] <RogueJediX> any: Also, tick off "open links in new tab instead of new window"
[10:17] <any> thanks
[10:17] <any> RogueJediX: and to close a tab with middle click ?
[10:18] <RogueJediX> any: You got me there
[10:19] <corey> ;/
[10:19] <RogueJediX> any: Closest thing I can find is the "Show close button instead of website icon" option
[10:19] <corey> i like kbears feature where you can open code thru client
[10:19] <corey> and save as u go to see changes
[10:20] <adam2> oh god its one of those days
[10:20] <RogueJediX> Fridays?
[10:21] <corey> and now their website errors out
[10:21] <corey> so idk what their deal is
[10:21] <RogueJediX> corey: Whose?
[10:21] <shanky> hi, I have a kubuntu dapper installed, and using wifi, but it's really slow even in the wifi-lan
[10:22] <corey> kbear
[10:22] <RogueJediX> corey: Here's their sourceforge site: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kbear
[10:23] <corey> hrm
[10:23] <corey> kbear.sourceforge.net/ is what i was looking at
[10:23] <corey> what i always had bookmarked
[10:23] <adam2> while trying the suggestion of using the artsd pluggin for my mp3 playback problem the whole system hang, i rebooted and then I was unable to change my network settings. I am now on my windows box as i can't specify my dns servers :(
[10:23] <RogueJediX> corey: I know, but it gives funky mysql errors for me too
[10:23] <corey> hrm
[10:24] <corey> i have 2.1
[10:24] <corey> they have a 3.0 alpha ill try
[10:25] <adam2> can anyone tell me where dns server addresses are stored?
[10:25] <corey> is ncftp graphical RogueJediX ?
[10:27] <RogueJediX> corey: Nope, console client
[10:27] <corey> agh
[10:27] <RogueJediX> corey: There are tons of other KDE FTP clients, though
[10:27] <corey> well im actually usinb ubuntu
[10:28] <nightmare> hello ,i'm new to kubuntu
[10:28] <RogueJediX> corey: Go for gftp then
[10:28] <nightmare> i will ask a few Q if you dont mind!!
[10:29] <nightmare> ok
[10:29] <nightmare> how can u put Trash on the desktop
[10:29] <nightmare> Trash icon
[10:30] <RogueJediX> corey: And if you dislike gftp, check out the other gnome-based clients here: http://www.gnomefiles.org/subcategory.php?sub_cat_id=44
[10:30] <corey> thanks ill chekc those out - iw as looking on freshmeat
[10:30] <corey> i just liked how on kbear itd open the file in the program and let you save as you go to see the updates
[10:31] <pekay> sorry but why can't I play MP3s in amaroK?
[10:31] <RogueJediX> corey: Yeah, but kbear seems to be a tad unstable. Old too. Last update was in 2003
[10:32] <RogueJediX> pekay: Do you have libmad0 installed?
[10:32] <texjoachim> good evening!
[10:32] <pekay> RogueJediX: no :S
[10:33] <nightmare> plz
[10:33] <nightmare> how to put Trash icon on Desktop
[10:33] <RogueJediX> pekay: Go install it, then. sudo apt-get install libmad0 in console
[10:33] <nightmare> i have kubuntu
[10:33] <corey> blah
[10:33] <RogueJediX> pekay: Or use adept, if you like
[10:33] <pekay> oh ye it says installed in adept sorry
[10:34] <RogueJediX> pekay: What program are you using to play audio files?
[10:35] <pekay> Rogue: amaroK 1.4
[10:35] <RogueJediX> pekay: Look in Settings -> Configure Amarok... -> Engine and tell me which one you're using
[10:36] <pekay> xine
[10:36] <RogueJediX> pekay: Hm, weird. What does it say when you try to play an mp3 file?
[10:37] <nightmare> sorry for disturbing you i think no one want to answer my Q
[10:37] <Jack_Black> I would answer but I dont know..
[10:37] <pekay> nothing, it just goes to the track then skips to the next one
[10:37] <KDEfanboy> i just read it nightmare
[10:38] <nightmare> thanx guys
[10:38] <nightmare> i just installed kubuntu
[10:38] <RogueJediX> pekay: Okay, let's try this. Close everything you're not using, including amaroK and then run it again
[10:38] <Jack_Black> I just booted the live cd for the first time
[10:38] <nightmare> and i would like to mode trash icon to desktop
[10:39] <Lil_Eagle> Hello, I just tried new RC and get sync out of range when X starts.  Anyone heard of this?
[10:40] <nightmare> move trash icon
[10:41] <Lil_Eagle> nightmare, just drag it.
[10:41] <pekay> Rogue: okay
[10:41] <Steel> Hi!
[10:42] <Steel> Problem - i just updated my dapper - and my opengl seems to be lost sinse then
[10:42] <Jack_Black> Eagle dragging it didnt work
[10:42] <KDEfanboy> nightmare: ok i found it
[10:42] <coreymon> bingo
[10:42] <coreymon> i got my internet working!
[10:43] <Lil_Eagle> Somehow I think noone here has tried the RC yet...
[10:43] <RogueJediX> nightmare: Right click on the desktop and go New... -> Link to Location and type in trash:/ as the URL
[10:43] <coreymon> if anyone remembers me from yesterday
[10:43] <coreymon> i got my internet working
[10:43] <pekay> RogueJediX: nah still the same :(
[10:44] <Jack_Black> Thanks Rogue
[10:44] <RogueJediX> pekay: I'm stumped, then. My best guess was some other app was using the sound device. All I can think of now is rebooting
[10:44] <nightmare> thanx alot RogueJediX
[10:45] <swinghead> hiho
[10:45] <pekay> hmmm
[10:45] <RogueJediX> No prob, Jack_Black and nightmare
[10:45] <nightmare> it works yaay :D
[10:45] <nightmare> by the way the firefox that came with kubuntu its version very old i think v1.0
[10:45] <swinghead> i want to sync my nokia mobile phone a some kind of pim app...tried a lot, but nothing worked right
[10:46] <nightmare> do i have to find latest version and install it
[10:47] <pekay> Rogue:JediX: damn thats like the player that looks like iTunes :p. Eh, do you use Konversation since I have a nick completion problem there :p
[10:48] <Lil_Eagle> Nightmare:I would suggest you try automatix, it will give you Firefox 1.503 as well as many other goodies
[10:48] <RogueJediX> nightmare: Just sit tight. 1.5 is in Dapper which should be released a few weeks from now, if I'm not mistaken
[10:48] <Jack_Black> I just dl'd the live version and no firefox at all
[10:48] <RogueJediX> pekay: Yeah, I'm using Konversation right now
[10:48] <coreymon> guys i have a question
[10:49] <Lil_Eagle> Which live version?
[10:49] <Jack_Black> Same here
[10:49] <Jack_Black> Just got it...
[10:49] <coreymon> you know the kde orint manager
[10:49] <Jack_Black> One sec..
[10:49] <coreymon> print*
[10:49] <Jack_Black> 5.10 live
[10:49] <pekay> RogueJediX: I cant understand how this nick completion works for instance when I was on mIRC with NNscript, i could do "Jedi:" and would complete it for me, it dont't seem to be like that here, how does it work if you know?
[10:49] <morzel> hi all
[10:50] <morzel> when will the stabil dapper comming?
[10:50] <Lil_Eagle> today a new RC is out, check distrowatch...
[10:50] <RogueJediX> pekay: Well, you have to type in the first letter of the nick (not case sensitive) and if there's only one nick beginning with that letter it completes it itself. If not, it gives you a list
[10:50] <morzel> hmm...
[10:50] <morzel> what's the different about rc and stable?
[10:51] <Jack_Black> rogue which prog does that?
[10:51] <pekay> r: test
[10:51] <Lil_Eagle> RC = Release candiate
[10:51] <pekay> see? :p
[10:51] <coreymon> guys
[10:51] <coreymon> i have a problem
[10:51] <RogueJediX> Jack_Black: Konversation. It should at least.
[10:51] <morzel> thx
[10:51] <coreymon> how do i get my printer to work
[10:51] <morzel> turn on and print... :D
[10:51] <Jack_Black> Rogue it dosent seem to do that.
[10:51] <pekay> Rogue test
[10:51] <pekay> heh :S
[10:52] <coreymon> no i dont mean like that
[10:52] <pekay> Rogue: test
[10:52] <RogueJediX> pekay: Go Settings -> Configure Konversation... -> General and take a look at the "Nick Completion" section
[10:52] <hestia> coreymon, what printer do you have?
[10:52] <Lil_Eagle> coreymon: printer icon in system settings.  You need to tell KDE about it.
[10:52] <coreymon> i have an hp photosmart 3210 printer
[10:53] <coreymon> it has ethernet capabilities so it is part of my wireless network as a seperate entity
[10:53] <Jack_Black> It says shell like with completion box
[10:53] <coreymon> i try using the add printer wizard
[10:53] <coreymon> but it can never detect it
[10:53] <pekay> RogueJediX: I did its like this "Shell-Like" (whatever that is :p) and suffix is ": "
[10:53] <RogueJediX> Jack_Black and pekay: Gah! I screwed up, my bad
[10:53] <hestia> coreymon check out the HP linux driver project http://hplip.sourceforge.net/ it has complete instructions there
[10:53] <coreymon> i can access it by its ip on firefox
[10:54] <RogueJediX> Jack_Black and pekay: After typing in the letter hit Tab
[10:54] <coreymon> but i checked in my drivers folder
[10:54] <coreymon> kubuntu has my printers driver
[10:54] <Jack_Black> ah
[10:54] <pekay> RogueJediX: hoi
[10:54] <pekay> yay
[10:54] <pekay> thanks :] 
[10:54] <Jack_Black> Thanks.. cool
[10:54] <RogueJediX> pekay: No prob.
[10:54] <Jack_Black> RogueJediX:  nice feature
[10:55] <hestia> I found that with my HP printer the printer doesn't fully work unless I install hplip
[10:55] <RogueJediX> Jack_Black: Isn't it, though? :)
[10:55] <coreymon> could i get it through apt?
[10:55] <Lil_Eagle> You select Network (TCP) in the wizard and type in the IP and it still doesn't find it?
[10:56] <Jack_Black> Im going to try my hp now...
[10:56] <hestia> probably.... i don't use apt so I don't know
[10:57] <coreymon> i use apt whenever i can
[10:57] <hestia> nothing wrong with that ;)
[10:57] <RogueJediX> apt is your fwend
[10:57] <hestia> source is my friend
[10:57] <coreymon> im trying eagles sugestion of just manually putting in the ip adress
[10:58] <RogueJediX> Yeah, I like him too, but he usually takes a while to get in binary form
[10:58] <Jack_Black> Nope Didnt print..
[10:58] <Jack_Black> My HP is on parallel port.
[10:58] <Jack_Black> Would have thought it would have configured it by itself
[10:59] <coreymon> which driver should i select in the list
[10:59] <coreymon> photosmart 3200 or photosmart 3200 hpijs
[10:59] <coreymon> ?
[10:59] <hestia> which list?
[10:59] <coreymon> in the kde print manager
[10:59] <hestia> try the first one
[10:59] <coreymon> i typed in the ip and it asked me to choose a driver
[11:00] <coreymon> there are 2 drivers for my printer
[11:00] <coreymon> photosmart 3200 and photosmart 3200 hpijs
[11:00] <Lil_Eagle> agreed, first one.  If it doesn't work well, then try the other.
[11:00] <coreymon> i dont know which one to select\
[11:00] <pekay> does KDE support Dell printers? :p
[11:00] <coreymon> use the non hpijs driver?
[11:01] <hestia> yes try the non hpijs first
[11:01] <nimrod> hello, i just started using kubuntu, anyway to make the input local show on taskbar like gnome does?
[11:02] <Lil_Eagle> pekay: Dell M5200 and S2500 are supported.
[11:02] <pekay> Lil_Eagle: i got a A920 :[[
[11:04] <Lil_Eagle> pekay:  Sorry, I can't help.  Might want to just try other drivers, if you find one that works, use it.  You won't need to try that many to find one that works.
[11:04] <coreymon> yahoo!
[11:04] <coreymon> works
[11:05] <coreymon> now, next question
[11:05] <pekay> O.o
[11:07] <coreymon> i want the command "sudo iwconfig ra0 essid cohens key [my wep key] " to run on kde startup
[11:07] <coreymon> how do i get that to happen
[11:07] <coreymon> ?
[11:08] <Lil_Eagle> gotta run... bye
[11:08] <Lynoure> coreymon: make a little shell script, put it in ~/.kde/Autostart  , and then it does
[11:08] <coreymon> i dont know how to make scripts
[11:08] <Jack_Sparrow> And Yes
[11:08] <coreymon> and is it possible to make it remember my password so that i dont have to put retype it again
[11:09] <coreymon> every time kde boots
[11:09] <dickhall> that's really poor security... besides, why are you booting that often?
[11:09] <coreymon> alright
[11:09] <coreymon> nevermind that
[11:10] <coreymon> now that linux is all working, i guess i wont have to be restarting my comp all the time
[11:10] <coreymon> anyways
[11:10] <coreymon> how do i make the script
[11:10] <dickhall> it's just a textfile
[11:10] <dickhall> plus you'll have to make it executable
[11:11] <dickhall> not sure if .kde/Autostart items need to have a specific format, I've never used that feature
[11:11] <coreymon> so just write the command that i want in kedit, save it, make it executable and put it into the autostart folder?
[11:12] <coreymon> allright
[11:12] <coreymon> im gonna try
[11:12] <dickhall> you might have to put "#!/bin/sh" at the beginning of the file
[11:13] <dickhall> and as for rebooting your box, yeah, you shouldn't have to do it often. my uptime is 17 days, and only that low because I had to move where my machine was
[11:14] <coreymon> so put the bash thing before sudo
[11:15] <dickhall> yes, #!/bin/sh should be the top line in the file
[11:15] <coreymon> and do i have to name it anything in particular, or just w/e i want
[11:15] <coreymon> oh wait, it should be on a seperate line
[11:15] <Lynoure> coreymon: as it starts with "sudo" you'll need some way to pass the password to it...
[11:15] <coreymon> i just wrote it all on the same line
[11:16] <dickhall> yes, good point
[11:16] <coreymon> lyn, a dialog box pops up and i type the password
[11:16] <dickhall> alternatively, you could add that script to the /etc/sudoers file under NOPASSWD
[11:17] <Lynoure> coreymon: I don't think it would pop up a dialog when placed there, but I might be wrong
[11:17] <coreymon> guys give me an exact template of what the scrpit should look like
[11:17] <Lynoure> coreymon: dickhall's idea seems good :)
[11:18] <dickhall> the first line: #!/bin/sh
[11:18] <dickhall> the second line: <your command here>
[11:18] <dickhall> (without the <>)
[11:18] <coreymon> okaywait
[11:18] <coreymon> does the second line have to be prefixed with anything
[11:18] <dickhall> no
[11:18] <dickhall> of course, I have no way to test this, since I'm not logging out for htis
[11:19] <chuso> hi all
[11:19] <coreymon> alright
[11:19] <coreymon> save it as w/e name i want right?
[11:19] <dickhall> and I've never used Autostart. someone else may be able to help more
[11:19] <dickhall> yepo
[11:19] <coreymon> say save it as iwconfig
[11:19] <dickhall> sure
[11:19] <dickhall> and chmod +x it
[11:20] <Lynoure> dickhall: the one time I did that, it was way easy: drop it in and it should work
[11:20] <dickhall> cool
[11:20] <chuso> I have just dist-upgraded to dapper, and now I dont have openoffice. Is it a bug? does anyone know the solution?
[11:20] <neoncode> on amaroK 1.4 how do I get this "mood bar" thing to work?
[11:21] <coreymon> chuso: no, it isnt a bug, just reinstall it using apt
[11:21] <coreymon> same thing happened to me
[11:21] <dimmak> answers in the amarok channel aren't helping?
[11:22] <nimrod> hello, how can i switch between locales in kubuntu? i tried playing around with the settings, but it won't switch :(
[11:22] <coreymon> alright, i typed it, saved it and made it executable
[11:22] <dickhall> nimrod: you need to log out and log back in to have it affect everything
[11:22] <neoncode> dimmak: Oh I didn't know anyone had said anything
[11:22] <coreymon> how do i do this no root password thing
[11:22] <nimrod> no no i mean
[11:22] <nimrod> i have hebrew and english installed
[11:23] <nimrod> both locales
[11:23] <dimmak> neoncode: it doesn't appear that they have
[11:23] <nimrod> but i can't switch between them with a keypress like i did with gnome
[11:23] <dimmak> neoncode: i am also unfamiliar with the issue
[11:23] <neoncode> dimmak: Well it has made a mood bar for one song. but not for any others
[11:23] <coreymon77> two secs
[11:24] <hestia> nimrod, dont you see a little flag in the tray
[11:24] <nimrod> i do
[11:24] <dimmak> neoncode: i am googling for information now
[11:25] <hestia> when you click on that you can't switch?
[11:25] <nimrod> it does
[11:25] <nimrod> but can't i create a shortcut?
[11:25] <nimrod> like in gnome?
[11:25] <neoncode> dimmak: Thanks... I'm tring to figure out why it did it for 1 but not any others...
[11:25] <coreymon77> okay
[11:25] <coreymon77> guys
[11:26] <coreymon77> how do i do that sudoers no password thing?
[11:26] <dimmak> neoncode: how long have you been using it?
[11:26] <neoncode> dimmak: About 10 minutes
[11:27] <dimmak> coreymon77: sudo su passwd? though i think that might be bad practice
[11:27] <dickhall> nimrod: under System Settings->Regional Accessibility, there's a keyboard shortcuts menu
[11:27] <dickhall> dimmak: no, he wants to run a certain command under sudo with no password
[11:28] <dickhall> coreymon77: man sudoers :)
[11:28] <coreymon77> let me just try something
[11:28] <nimrod> i did
[11:28] <nimrod> but those shortcuts won't work
[11:29] <dickhall> dunno, I don't use locales
[11:30] <hestia> sorry nimrod, I don't know.... have you looked in the kde manual?
[11:30] <coreymon77> hey it works!
[11:30] <dickhall> cool
[11:32] <coreymon77> let me just try something here
[11:33] <andrea> hi everybody
[11:33] <coreymon77> ,    !!!
[11:33] <coreymon77> just trying something
[11:33] <andrea> uao
[11:34] <andrea> have u got a great experience in ubuntu linux??
[11:34] <ryanakca> coreymon77: what was that?
[11:34] <ryanakca> lol
[11:34] <coreymon77> hebrew
[11:34] <ryanakca> hebrew methinks
[11:34] <ryanakca> yeah
[11:34] <coreymon77> nimrod says he speaks it, i just wanted to see
[11:34] <ryanakca> I have some friends who speak hebrew
[11:34] <coreymon77> can someone try and get his attention
[11:35] <nimrod> mine
[11:35] <nimrod> ?
[11:35] <ryanakca> nimrod: ping!
[11:35] <ryanakca> lol
[11:35] <coreymon77> ya
[11:35] <ryanakca> lagging...
[11:35] <cvasilak> hi there, what is the name of the package for the nvidia-kernel SMP version
[11:35] <coreymon77> you said you understand hebrew didnt you
[11:35] <nimrod> i do
[11:35] <coreymon77> why didnt you answer me then
[11:35] <nimrod> i did
[11:36] <ryanakca> o.O
[11:36] <nimrod> cuz you're not supposed to talk in any other lang, other than english in the main channel
[11:36] <nimrod> if you wanna speak in hebrew, pm me
[11:36] <coreymon77> you can answer in english
[11:36] <coreymon77> i dont care
[11:36] <nimrod> ok
[11:36] <coreymon77> its my first language anyways
[11:36] <nimrod> maybe you can help me please?
[11:36] <coreymon77> i was just playing around
[11:36] <coreymon77> sure
[11:36] <coreymon77> i pmed you
[11:36] <nimrod> why can't i change my locale with shortcuts?
[11:37] <hestia> I'm sure you can somehow
[11:37] <nimrod> i tried everything, i must be missing something
[11:37] <coreymon77> answer the pm already
[11:38] <nimrod> i did|!
[11:38] <coreymon77> how come im not seeing it
[11:38] <coreymon77> oh wait
[11:38] <nimrod> ah i know~!
[11:38] <coreymon77> have you registered your nickname yet?
[11:38] <nimrod> 00:38]  [505]  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! (
[11:38] <nimrod> that's why
[11:38] <coreymon77> with nickserv
[11:38] <nimrod> i will in a sec
[11:39] <coreymon77> ive had mine registered for ages, now no one can take use my nickname but me
[11:39] <da_fat_thing> i can't write to a vfat partition
[11:39] <da_fat_thing> i have no idea why
[11:40] <coreymon77> nimrod, did you register
[11:40] <Nimmrod> thank god
[11:40] <Nimmrod> i just did
[11:40] <da_fat_thing> i edited fstab
[11:40] <da_fat_thing> but it still does not allow me to write on that parition
[11:40] <da_fat_thing> only as root
[11:41] <da_fat_thing> /dev/hdb8 /windows/o vfat auto,rw,exec,users,quiet,gid=users,umask=0000 <-- thats in fstab
[11:41] <HymnToLife> da_fat_thing> did you remount the partition to apply the changes ?
[11:41] <da_fat_thing> yeah
[11:42] <da_fat_thing> /dev/hdb8 on /windows/o type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,quiet,gid=100,umask=0000 <-- thats the output of mount
[11:42] <da_fat_thing> i wonder why it changed exec to noexec
[11:43] <da_fat_thing> is it not possible to start linux binaries off windows partitions?
[11:43] <da_fat_thing> anyway, gid and umask are still correct
[11:44] <da_fat_thing> and i added my account to the users group, so that should be correct too
[11:44] <da_fat_thing> is there anything i missed?
[11:47] <Word> Hey uh...the partitioner isn't working for me in RC anything i can do to fix? or will the alternate version work?
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> Probably almost certainly the alternate version will work
[11:48] <Word> ok because i only have one cd left
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> That version has never failed for me (and I have only a slave disk on the first channel (no master it died)) are you using sata ?
[11:50] <Word> nope i have a previous kubuntu install that i want to erase and i want to keep my windows partition so that might be what's causing the problem for me
[11:53] <Word> h3sp4wn: should i erase the partitions from the old kubuntu install?
[11:54] <h3sp4wn> Word: Delete them and re create them is probably easiest
[11:54] <Word> recreate them in the installer?
[11:55] <joakim> Hi folks!
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> Word: yes
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> Word: Delete them there as well
[11:56] <Word> is 'extended' a part of the linux install? it's like 386 mb and i don't remember putting it there..
[11:58] <dusty> Hey guys I have a wheel mouse and im wondering what I have to put under the mouse section of xorg.conf to make it work? Everything else works fine, apart from this?
[12:01] <hestia> dusty, what mouse do you have?
[12:02] <dusty> DOn't know on the underneath it says: Model Name SAGM002, its silver and black two buttons with a wheel in the middle?
[12:03] <hestia> brand?
[12:03] <dusty> sysgration ltd
[12:03] <dusty> is in small print
[12:03] <dusty> it doesnt say a brand
[12:03] <Nimmrod> :)
[12:05] <dusty> Surely the whell configuration is irrelevant of brand.. what do you usually put in, and i'll try that?
[12:05] <hestia> well I've used: Option  "Protocol" "explorerps/2"
[12:06] <hestia> then: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[12:06] <hestia> and that worked for my current mouse, it didn't work for another mouse though
[12:07] <dusty> hmm ok
[12:08] <MetaMorfoziS> okay, good night everybody. kshutdown @ 20min.)
[12:08] <xwolf-> firefox doesn't have its own bouncing icon.
[12:08] <xwolf-> how can that be?
[12:12] <crazy_penguin> good night, pleasent dreams!
[12:14] <Nimmrod> anyway to make a key combination of keyboard switchers go back and forth?
[12:23] <coreymon> whoever is the op
[12:23] <coreymon> this is coreymon77
[12:24] <coreymon> something screwed up
[12:24] <coreymon> and apparently coreymon77 is still online
[12:24] <coreymon> could somebody kick coreymon77 so that i can restart with that nick again
[12:25] <coreymon> someone please
[12:26] <rob> coreymon, done
[12:27] <coreymon77> thank you
[12:27] <rob> np
[12:28] <coreymon77> so ur an op rob?
[12:28] <rob> yep
[12:29] <coreymon77> in konversation there is a square made up of 4 little squares beside each nick
[12:29] <coreymon77> what do they mean
[12:29] <rob> dunno, I just xchat
[12:29] <coreymon77> ?
[12:29] <rob> use, that is
[12:30] <coreymon77> o
[12:30] <coreymon77> does anyone know what the squares are for?
[12:32] <eosyn> I think the squares are ment to piss curious people off
[12:32] <coreymon77> lol
[12:34] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: you fix internet?
[12:34] <coreymon77> yup
[12:35] <coreymon77> and printer
[12:35] <MasterEvilAce> What was the problem?
[12:35] <coreymon77> dunno
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> hhhh..lol
[12:36] <coreymon77> it just started working
[12:36] <MasterEvilAce> strange
[12:36] <coreymon77> how do i add an app to the kmenu?
[12:37] <MasterEvilAce> right click the kmenu
[12:37] <MasterEvilAce> (when the panel isn't locked)
[12:37] <MasterEvilAce> and edit kmenu
[12:37] <coreymon77> now what
[12:37] <slow-motion> n8
[12:38] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: open whatever section you want to edit, and then click the sheet of paper with a star on it (for add new)
[12:38] <coreymon77> what do i put for command and work path
[12:39] <dickhall> ctothej: how's kdevelop working for you
[12:39] <MasterEvilAce> command you put the name of the program, with any other options after it.. such as just put  "gaim" as the command to launch gaim
[12:40] <MasterEvilAce> workpath i assume is to supply a folder such as "/usr/bin/" and then command for whatever program you want to run in that workpath
[12:40] <MasterEvilAce> although i dunno, none of my kmenu items have a workpath
[12:40] <MasterEvilAce> i'm just assuming hat's how it works :P
[12:40] <coreymon77> thanks
[12:43] <s22> hello, may i ask a question?
[12:43] <KDEfanboy> !ask
[12:43] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:43] <MasterEvilAce> LOL
[12:43] <MasterEvilAce> LOL
[12:43] <KDEfanboy> wow there's an !ask, cool!
[12:44] <s22> i'm using kubuntu and today i found out that in konqueror under "tools", i can't find the option to search for files...
[12:44] <s22> and under "settings" i can't find the "load profile"
[12:44] <MasterEvilAce> KDEfanboy: that's hilarious
[12:45] <s22> do you guys have any idea how that could happen?
[12:45] <KDEfanboy> s22: search for files is in Edit->Find
[12:46] <coreymon77> how do i set myself a static ip
[12:46] <KDEfanboy> MasterEvilAce, heh i had no idea what ubotu would show up, if anything.. figured i'd give it a shot
[12:46] <s22> it's not there
[12:47] <KDEfanboy> wait a minute
[12:47] <s22> it used to be under "tools" but something went wrong... if i open a new user it works fine
[12:47] <LeeJunFan> anyone here having problems using floppies with dapper that can try my fix and see if it works for them - works with my USB floppy. just add your user to group disk, log out/in then try mounting floppy via kde storage media.
[12:47] <MasterEvilAce> coreymon77: system settings-> network settings -> click your interface -> configure interface -> select Manual, fill out stuff
[12:47] <KDEfanboy> s22: sorry you're right... should be in tools.. anything happen if you do CTRL+F ?
[12:48] <s22> no..
[12:49] <s22> i tried removing konquerorrc and things like that - didn't help either
[12:49] <KDEfanboy> s22: do they come back if you start konqueror like this? KDEHOME=~/somedirectory konqueror
[12:50] <s22> in another user i have it under "tools"
[12:51] <s22> obviously something's fucked up in my home directory but i don't know what
[12:51] <s22> KDEfanboy - yes
[12:52] <gil> hello,....i need help with a USB hookup of a sony MD device
[12:53] <KDEfanboy> hmmm mmmm
[12:55] <gil> does anyone know how to make dapper see a sony Hi-MD as a removable media
[01:02] <KDEfanboy> s22: this has menu data (different from konquerorrc) .kde/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror.rc
[01:03] <gil> can someone help me install a Hi-MD device as a Mass storage device
[01:05] <s22> thanks
[01:11] <gdh> Hola - anyone seen this behaviour before (qtparted hangs on custom partitioning on RC live CD) ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/46841
[01:21] <roger> hello
[01:21] <KDEfanboy_> hiya
[01:22] <Riddell> gdh: nope
[01:22] <roger> i need help for kubuntu
[01:22] <gdh> Riddell: ... I feared that would be the answer :(
[01:23] <corey> found an ftp client i seem to like :o
[01:23] <gdh> Riddell: If I use the 'Allocate largest free contiguous space', it decides that it'll use /dev/sda2 as ext3 .... that partition is an 8MB hidden partition :|
[01:23] <roger> i installed this version of webside
[01:23] <roger> and etered my name for one user
[01:24] <gdh> Riddell: I mean, I'm perfectly comfortable hacking around it to get a working system, but I'm more interested in dealing with this as an issue that may affect N number of other potential Windows converts :)
[01:24] <roger> but i don't know which is my psswrd root
[01:25] <Riddell> !root
[01:25] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[01:25] <roger> how?
[01:25] <roger> ok
[01:25] <roger> right
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> corey: ncftp ? (I think that is the best one there is)
[01:25] <Riddell> gdh: qtparted has its share of bugs, I've not seen yours before and I'm pretty sure people have tested it on machines with windows installed, so hopefully it's not too common
[01:27] <gdh> Riddell: Are there steps I can take to help with debugging given that I am not a programmer?
[01:28] <gdh> Is the strace output remotely helpful? (the affected system is sitting here beside me running the livecd if you need it via krfb / ssh etc.
[01:29] <corey> nope
[01:30] <corey> IglooFTP :o
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> never heard of it
[01:31] <gdh> IglooFTP is a shameless copy of BulletProof FTP for Windows..
[01:31] <gdh> It's commercial
[01:31] <Riddell> gdh: kfrb would be fun
[01:32] <gdh> Riddell: Then it shall be so. Give me a minute to poke holes in the firewall, etc.
[01:52] <foodcoman> Does anyone know the dpkg command that would reconcile my repositories with my installed apps.  My package manager shows some stuff not installed that is.
[02:06] <dusty_> Hello guys, anyone in here use Real Player, im having some troubles installing it?
[02:06] <crimsun> what sort of trouble?
[02:08] <DaSkreech> Snake is kind of shifty
[02:08] <Snake> DaSkreech: ?
[02:08] <Snake> DaSkreech: I finally dropped the underscores! yay
[02:08] <DaSkreech> name shifting
[02:08] <Snake> ah, I was setting up new links and whatnot
[02:12] <h3sp4wn> you will be waiting a long time think
[02:13] <Bilford> Furry Ferret
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Fuzzy?
[02:14] <Bilford> no
[02:14] <DaSkreech> Furry doesn't make sense
[02:14] <Bilford> I like fuzzy
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Fab Ferret :-)
[02:15] <Bilford> but that implies fuzzy logic
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Right
[02:15] <DaSkreech> It's not edgy
[02:15] <DaSkreech> But it's not definte either
[02:15] <Bilford> ok, Fuzzy then
[02:15] <Snake> Whys it have to be F?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> Cause thats how it is
[02:16] <Snake> 0.o
[02:16] <Snake> Elaborate?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> The code names are always a pair
[02:16] <Bilford> what happened to C
[02:16] <Snake> What happen to A?
[02:16] <DaSkreech> a Descriptive name and an animal name
[02:16] <Snake> DaSkreech: but why F??
[02:17] <DaSkreech> After Dapper they said they would keep the progression alphabetic
[02:17] <Snake> -.-
[02:17] <Snake> DaSkreech: how about "Funny Flamingo"
[02:17] <Bilford> youre just mad because there wont be a Slithery Snake for a long time
[02:18] <DaSkreech> And I just picked up the other day that they descriptive name is indicative of the intent or state of that release
[02:18] <DaSkreech> Hence the first one being warty
[02:18] <Bilford> hm
[02:18] <DaSkreech>  the breezy one focusing on speen
[02:18] <DaSkreech> the dapper one being about ppolish
[02:18] <Snake> DaSkreech: you didnt notice that??
[02:18] <Snake> >.<
[02:18] <DaSkreech>  theedgy release being about cutting edge
[02:18] <Snake> lol
[02:18] <Bilford> ok
[02:18] <Bilford> Friendly Ferret
[02:18] <Snake> Bilford: I like it!
[02:19] <Bilford> to make it even more user friendly
[02:19] <Snake> DaSkreech: I like my screen crystal clear
[02:19] <dusty_> Hello guys, anyone in here use Real Player, im having some troubles installing it?
[02:19] <gdh> "grotesque goatse," anyone?
[02:19] <Snake> gdh: hahaha
[02:19] <DaSkreech> well it's not about what you see it's about what you feel
[02:19] <gdh> the OS that opens that little bit wider...
[02:32] <DaSkreech> On the real player front
[02:32] <DaSkreech>  What's up with Helix?
[02:37] <Snake> Can anyone help me with frostwire/java?
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Whats frostwire?
[02:37] <Snake> DaSkreech: herd of limewire?
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Yes
[02:37] <Snake> Limewire pro minus the ads and subscription
[02:37] <DaSkreech> Hurd of heard? :)
[02:38] <Snake> Nope
[02:38] <DaSkreech> heehee
[02:38] <Snake> DaSkreech: http://www.frostwire.com/
[02:38] <Snake> This what happens when I run it
[02:38] <Snake> http://snake.pastebin.com/740425
[02:39] <noteventime> Snake, You need the SUN JRE
[02:39] <Snake> noteventime: I got the one from the repos
[02:39] <Snake> !ping
[02:39] <ubotu> pong
[02:40] <noteventime> Snake, the sun one fromo the repos?
[02:40] <noteventime> !pong
[02:40] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, noteventime
[02:40] <noteventime> :P
[02:40] <DaSkreech> Hmm that's pretty neat
[02:41] <Snake> who said I needed the sun?
[02:41] <noteventime> I did
[02:41] <Snake> noteventime: I got the binarys from the dapper repo
[02:41] <Snake> would that work?
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Seveas's repos?
[02:41] <noteventime> If you got the Sun ones yes
[02:41] <Snake> DaSkreech: Offical repos
[02:42] <noteventime> My brother uses frostwire :)
[02:42] <DaSkreech> there is a sun on the official repos?
[02:42] <Snake> !info sun-java5-bin dapper
[02:42] <ubotu> sun-java5-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), Packaged size: 21625 kB, Installed size: 65608 kB
[02:42] <noteventime> yes
[02:42] <Snake> noteventime: would that one work with it?
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[02:42] <DaSkreech> This is since the Sun change of heart
[02:42] <DaSkreech> ?
[02:42] <noteventime> Hmm, I thouoght so :/ But it's in multiverse...
[02:42] <Snake> DaSkreech: yes
[02:42] <DaSkreech> Coolness :)
[02:43] <noteventime> Sun opensouorced java about a week ago
[02:43] <noteventime> or two :D
[02:43] <noteventime> Might even be three :P
[02:43] <DaSkreech> Sun "opensourced" java about a week ago
[02:43] <noteventime> ;) well, you get my point
[02:43] <dergringo> no kidding? haven't read about it.
[02:44] <DaSkreech> Doesn't work?
[02:44] <noteventime> Snake, take a look at the website if frostwire works with version 5
[02:44] <Snake> noteventime: im loojin around now
[02:44] <noteventime> Snake, try sun-java5-jre
[02:44] <Snake> noteventime: alright
[02:45] <word> Umm..should it be nescesary to open system settings as administrator?
[02:45] <noteventime> Maybe it wasn't installed by sun-java5-bin
[02:45] <noteventime> word, ? what settings
[02:45] <Snake> noteventime: I already got it
[02:45] <noteventime> :/
[02:45] <word> I want to change the hostname in network settings. When i click on Administrator Mode no login box comes up
[02:46] <DaSkreech> word: You can change them as admin
[02:46] <noteventime> snake, maybe try j2re1.4?
[02:46] <Snake> noteventime: will that run along side the sun?
[02:46] <noteventime> word, try running kcontrol instead of system-settings
[02:47] <noteventime> Snake, I don't know, I'm sorry.
[02:47] <Snake> alright
[02:47] <noteventime> I think that is the one my brother is using
[02:47] <noteventime> Dunno if I upgraded his to the java onoes
[02:48] <Snake> !ping
[02:48] <ubotu> pong
[02:48] <noteventime> Anyway, I'm too tired for this, g'night all
[02:48] <Snake> noteventime: night
[02:49] <word> noteventime: Just running kdesu systemsettings did the trick.
[02:51] <graywolf> System Settings - Panel - Panels - Add SETTINGS
[02:53] <Snake> YES GOT IT!
[02:53] <Snake> :)
[02:54] <Snake> sudo update-alternatives --config java -- then tell it to use the sun java
[02:54] <Snake> !frostwire
[02:54] <ubotu> frostwire is, like, a free peer-to-peer application that runs on the Gnutella network. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrostWireHowTo
[02:57] <bigkevmcbobbyd> has anyone here mastered a VCD disc for a hardware player?
[02:57] <bigkevmcbobbyd> I'm trying to and it's just not working
[03:04] <MasterEvilAce> when you go to logout, when the screen turns black and white
[03:04] <MasterEvilAce> does it all turn at once
[03:04] <MasterEvilAce> or does it scroll down
[03:04] <MasterEvilAce> mine scrolls down.. maybe videocard is too old to do it fast (and i use 1600x1200.. so there's a lot to black out)
[03:04] <MasterEvilAce> anyway to speed it up?
[03:05] <DaSkreech> What's the difference?
[03:07] <MasterEvilAce> hmm?
[03:09] <EvilIdler> Hola
[03:10] <MasterEvilAce> hello
[03:10] <MasterEvilAce> the evilometer just went up 2%
[03:10] <EvilIdler> Quick! Invite more gullible people!
[03:10] <MasterEvilAce> LOL
[03:12] <MasterEvilAce> what's that program that tells you about the keys you've pressed
[03:13] <MasterEvilAce> it's like kev something
[03:14] <MasterEvilAce> xev
[03:14] <MasterEvilAce> xev was the correct answer it seems
[03:20] <EvilIdler> coreymon: Network still not treating you well?
[03:23] <matej_> hi, is there linux-kernel in kubuntu with applied suspend2 patch? I mean official .deb (I know I can compile it myself, I did it for many years).
[03:33] <word> in dapper are ntfs partitions writable? Or what does the setting "Security and setting (checkbox) Writable" in the mounting configuriing for an ntfs partition mean?
[03:35] <coreymon77> guys
[03:35] <coreymon77> how can i acess my windows ntfs drive from kubuntu
[03:36] <DaSkreech> mount ?
[03:36] <tristanmike> !ntfs
[03:36] <coreymon77> what
[03:36] <ubotu> ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[03:36] <coreymon77> what / mount hda1
[03:37] <coreymon77> i dont want to write, just acess and copy files off of
[03:37] <DaSkreech> normally hda1 is your root partition
[03:37] <coreymon77> hda1 is my windwos dirve
[03:37] <DaSkreech> man mount
[03:38] <WEBGUY0822> hey guys, quick kde question for ya
[03:40] <WEBGUY0822> how do i create desktop shortcuts to my Home Folder, Network Places...etc
[03:41] <noiesmo> WEBGUY0822, right click i\on desktop then create new
[03:41] <WEBGUY0822> ok, then what??
[03:42] <segfault> hi
[03:42] <segfault> someone can helpme
[03:42] <xwolf-> WEBGUY0822 then.. pick a flavor.
[03:42] <WEBGUY0822> just point to /home
[03:43] <WEBGUY0822> is that what a "launcher" is??
[03:44] <segfault> my konsole cant do transparency :( what can i do?
[03:44] <WEBGUY0822> if, so how do I change a launcher's icon?
[03:44] <corey> go to its properties WEBGUY0822
[03:45] <WEBGUY0822> ok thanks alotg corey
[03:45] <corey> anyone know a program that lets you schedule when tv shows will be on?
[03:45] <corey> doesnt have to record, just lets you kind of organize when shows you want to watch are on
[03:46] <WEBGUY0822> i'm sure i'll be back
[03:46] <xwolf-> segfault you set the scheme as transparent?
[03:46] <segfault> yeah
[03:46] <segfault> but only i have with that is a black BG
[03:47] <coreymon77> !ntfs
[03:48] <ubotu> ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows NT and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions there is no write support for ntfs that is safe.
[03:48] <xwolf-> i tried that before, it's not just edit that place, i had to choose it also. the settings menu has a Scheme submenu with a bunch of schemes
[03:48] <segfault> i know
[03:48] <segfault> i set transparent
[03:48] <segfault> in everyscheme
[03:50] <coreymon77> guys
[03:50] <Seantater> does kitchensync support syncing general files and directories, rather than just pim stuff?
[03:50] <coreymon77> when i try to go to my media folder it gives me an error message saying kmediamanager is not running
[03:51] <coreymon77> how do i get kmediamanager to run
[03:51] <monteiro> in dapper, my hp print driver, doesnt detect my printer, anyone knows what is it ?
[03:51] <coreymon77> this is urgent guys
[03:51] <coreymon77> i need to acess my windows drive
[03:51] <Seantater> coreymon77: type which kmediamanager into a terminal --se what happens
[03:52] <Seantater> coreymon77: there are other ways to get to the windows drive tho
[03:52] <coreymon77> how
[03:52] <Seantater> coreymon77: just go into the "media" folder in "/" and you will find several folders, one should be windows
[03:52] <coreymon77> i need to know now
[03:53] <coreymon77>  do i have to do this as root
[03:53] <Seantater> coreymon77: I see your urgency -- but impatience will not help
[03:53] <coreymon77> or will my regular user work
[03:53] <Seantater> coreymon77: nothing I have yet said needs root
[03:53] <segfault> Riddell: are u here?
[03:54] <coreymon77> all right
[03:54] <coreymon77> the folder hda1 is there
[03:54] <coreymon77> but theres nothing in it
[03:54] <Seantater> okay -- is windows in it
[03:54] <coreymon77> what is this kde media manager
[03:54] <Riddell> segfault: hi
[03:54] <segfault> hi how r u
[03:54] <Seantater> okay -- look in /mnt now
[03:54] <segfault> i think i found a bug (btw sorry my english)
[03:54] <segfault> but i have a problem and a friend too
[03:55] <segfault> with kde 3.5.2 and dapper (its not from kde because i asked to a few friends that uses another distros and they not have the problem)
[03:55] <coreymon77> nothing in the mnt folder
[03:56] <Seantater> coreymon77: then you have a bigger problem that just the above -- try restarting
[03:56] <sopido> hi.. i'm on kubuntu dapper and i installed beagle, but when i run beagle-settings i get "Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: intl" any ideas how to fix this?
[03:56] <Seantater> coreymon77:  It might remount your devices and make life easier
[03:56] <coreymon77> if i restart, just might aswell go into windows and email the things i need to myself
[03:57] <coreymon77> why dont i just do that
[03:57] <Seantater> coreymon77: sorry -- but you might try this as root: mount -a
[03:57] <coreymon77> unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-fuse'
[03:58] <coreymon77> im restarting
[03:58] <Seantater> then look for windows in the folders (except /dev) that the output of 'mount' gives you (no need for root here
[03:58] <Seantater> patience is a virtue
[03:59] <Seantater> oh well
[03:59] <Seantater>  /next/ - haha
[03:59] <segfault> Riddell: ?
[03:59] <Seantater> segfault: what is it, I might be able to help
[03:59] <segfault> ahh oka
[03:59] <segfault> :D
[04:00] <segfault> konsole
[04:00] <segfault> dont have transparency
[04:00] <Riddell> segfault: what's the problem?
[04:00] <Riddell> konsole transparency works for me
[04:01] <segfault> damn :(
[04:01] <corey> anyone know a program that lets yyou download tv listings and select shows to add to a list that you want to watch?
[04:01] <segfault> for me no
[04:01] <Riddell> what doesn't work about it?
[04:01] <skipster23> i 'm having trouble installing mozilla firefox can anyone help me
[04:01] <segfault> instead of transparency i have a black bg
[04:01] <segfault> or white bg
[04:01] <segfault> depends on the transparency schema that i choose
[04:02] <skipster23> i have done everything the documents tell me
[04:03] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: What error are you getting?
[04:03] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: Try this: sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:03] <skipster23> the installer tells me ./mozilla-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:03] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: Hmm.. There's a problem in the package somewhere.
[04:03] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: Have you upgraded to Dapper Drake yet?
[04:04] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: If not, then I would. The release candidate is out.
[04:05] <skipster23> no how do i do that
[04:06] <Hobbsee> elijahlofgren: its' not stable until june 1
[04:06] <elijahlofgren> Hobbsee: But the release candidate is recommened for everone using Breezy now.
[04:07] <Hobbsee> who said that?
[04:07] <skipster23> does it come kubuntu 6.06
[04:07] <segfault> Riddell: ?
[04:07] <elijahlofgren> Hobbsee: From the email: "
[04:07] <segfault> Seantater: ?
[04:07] <elijahlofgren> We consider this release candidate complete, stable and suitable for testing
[04:07] <elijahlofgren> by any user. We would especially recommend that current Ubuntu 5.10 ("Breezy
[04:07] <elijahlofgren> Badger") users and developers use the upgrade procedure described below.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> elijahlofgren: oh okay, fair enough.  i didnt see that, i dont think
[04:08] <Seantater> segfault: I'm here
[04:08] <skipster23> where do i get breezy
[04:08] <segfault> do u read the error?
[04:08] <Seantater> segfault: have you adjusted the transparency levels?
[04:09] <skipster23> never mind thats what i have
[04:09] <segfault> [22:08]  <Seantater> segfault: have you adjusted the transparency levels? <- yup
[04:09] <elijahlofgren> Hobbsee: Here's the URL https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-May/000081.html ;)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> elijahlofgren: mmm okay - so i didnt read it properly
[04:10] <Seantater> segfault: doing great  here -- transperancy is perfect!
[04:11] <segfault> dammn :(
[04:11] <Seantater> segfault: there is still hope
[04:11] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: You find more info about Dapper here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[04:11] <Seantater> segfault: look at "konsole color"
[04:11] <Seantater> segfault: check it on and off, see if it helps..
[04:12] <skipster23> i hace kubuntu 5.10, do ihave it already
[04:12] <Seantater> segfault: make sure to "save schema" too
[04:12] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: No, You want to upgrade to Kubuntu 6.04
[04:12] <Seantater> segfault: what version of KDE?
[04:13] <Seantater> segfault: I use 3.5.2 on Kubuntu Dapper
[04:13] <segfault> me too
[04:13] <segfault> segfault@hidroxilo:~/varios/sphpblog$ kde-config --version
[04:13] <segfault> Qt: 3.3.6
[04:13] <segfault> KDE: 3.5.2
[04:14] <skipster23> i can just wait for 6.06 right i've already orderd a dvd
[04:14] <Seantater> segfault: what revision -- (it should be the last numeral in the version when viewed on adept)
[04:15] <segfault> i dont use adept
[04:15] <segfault> wait
[04:15] <segfault> i check with apt-cache
[04:15] <segfault> Version: 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu26
[04:15] <Seantater> segfault: but are you sure that is what /you/ are using, not just what is available to upgrade to?
[04:15] <segfault> im using it
[04:15] <segfault> im update my system
[04:15] <segfault> everyday
[04:16] <segfault> :D
[04:16] <Seantater> I'm using ubuntu16
[04:16] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: Sure, it's fine to wait until you get the Dapper DVD. I would try running: "sudo apt-get update" and then try installing Firefox again. There may be fix in a new version for your problem.
[04:16] <Seantater> segfault: then I think I will refrain from upgrading until 27 :)
[04:16] <segfault> :D
[04:17] <Seantater> segfault: I upgrade ~monthly, and backup just before then
[04:18] <segfault> yeah?
[04:18] <Seantater> segfault: perhaps you were best off telling riddell
[04:18] <Seantater> segfault: but you could tell launchpad too
[04:19] <neoncode> I just accsidently shut of the power to my PC while I was ripping a CD. I swore a lot then I rebooted. Now i'm stuck in 640x860 and I carn't change it!
[04:19] <Seantater> !resfix
[04:19] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Seantater
[04:20] <Seantater> !res
[04:20] <ubotu> hmm... res is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:20] <Seantater> Read above
[04:20] <neoncode> It was fine before...
[04:21] <Seantater> neoncode: I really don;t know anything about it -- I;m just trying to give you a straw to grasp
[04:21] <neoncode> Seantater: ok, thanks... what was the xorg reconfigure command?
[04:21] <Seantater> neoncode: #ubuntu is more busy and may be more helpful
[04:21] <macd> neoncode: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[04:24] <skipster23> which kde come with kubuntu 5.10 1 or 2
[04:25] <neoncode> Nope didn't help...
[04:25] <neoncode> the reconfigureing didn't help...
[04:25] <neoncode> skipster23: KDE 3.4 I think
[04:25] <HymnToLife> yep, KDE 3.4.3
[04:25] <DaSkreech> after a Ctrl+Shift+T how do I jump tween window frames?
[04:25] <HymnToLife> you can upgrade to 3.5.2 though
[04:26] <skipster23> i need to download an burning software for iso's like kisocd ant suggestions
[04:26] <skipster23> sorry any suggestions
[04:26] <neoncode> !res
[04:26] <ubotu> I guess res is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:29] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: and your here too
[04:29] <DaSkreech> Nope
[04:35] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: Use k3b for burning ISOs.
[04:35] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: K-Menu -> Multimedia -> K3b
[04:37] <elijahlofgren> skipster23: Then just click "Burn CD Image"  and next to "Image To Burn" click the Blue folder icon and select your ISO file.
[04:40] <matej_> corey: apt-cache search xmltv
[04:41] <corey> matej_, yea i just installed that but i cant figure out how it works
[04:42] <matej_> corey: it is quite complicated -- go to their website (IIRC xmltv.sf.net) and read their docs. Basically, you have to download all the stuff with one command and then there is command which will filter out whatever you need.
[04:43] <corey> blah
[04:43] <DaSkreech> How do I get a METAR location?
[04:44] <corey> ill keep looking theres gotta be something easier
[04:45] <corey> or at least a web site thatll email you when shows you added are coming on
[04:52] <OpenSorce> alright......in an attempt to err on the side of caution......if I have my box use ide-scsi on one of my drives will it break (k)Ubuntu?
[04:52] <OpenSorce> the drive in question being a DVD Burner
[04:52] <Onetrack> .......this is really complicated.......
[04:54] <OpenSorce> lol
[04:55] <satempler> Riddell: you here
[04:55] <satempler> is there a reson why automake1.6 isn't in the repos ??
[04:59] <DShepherd> satempler: cause the rock said so?
[04:59] <satempler> the rock who
[05:04] <DaSkreech> lol
[05:15] <matej_> corey: I think you can get something like that (email on show) from Yahoo!
[05:26] <corey> gosh, why cant a program just download listings form the internet
[05:27] <corey> instead of using this xmltv crap
[05:27] <DaSkreech> if they have a aRSS feed you subscribe
[05:29] <DaSkreech> can I dpkg--reconfigure kubuntu-desktop?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> bloody
[05:36] <corey> yahoo tv listings stink
[05:36] <nightmare> hello, i faced a display problem after i upgrade
[05:36] <nightmare> plz help me i'm new
[05:37] <nightmare> when i put resolution 1024x768 it goes crazy and i cant read anything but 800x600 has no prblem
[05:37] <nightmare> anyhelp???
[05:42] <DaSkreech> Where is the lock file for adept?
[05:42] <DaSkreech> I crashed it installing KDM
[05:57] <JavaGeek> hello
[06:00] <DaSkreech> aseigo: Hi
[06:02] <aseigo> hoie
[06:03] <DaSkreech> If adept crashes which lock file should I remove?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> installing KDM crashes it
[06:04] <nightmare> well, is kubuntu is the most suitable distro???
[06:04] <nightmare> i would like to know how to make it more stable
[06:05] <nightmare> coz i think it is not
[06:05] <DaSkreech> launchpad :)
[06:05] <nightmare> so dapper is more stable??
[06:05] <nightmare> i installed automatix and i think it has many problems
[06:05] <nixternal> stable on my computer yes...but i don't know about your computer
[06:06] <nixternal> computers are like finger prints...each one is different
[06:06] <nightmare> my computer is toshiba tecra m2
[06:06] <nightmare> laptop
[06:06] <nixternal> hahah DaSkreech...im sure it is..but at least they use linux there
[06:06] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[06:06] <nixternal> look there ;)
[06:06] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Where are the lock files for adept?
[06:07] <nixternal> you know i have no clues...i try to stay away from adept since it is slow i think
[06:07] <nightmare> i think kutuntu is not stable yet coz after i done upgrade the display goes crazy and i cant read anything
[06:07] <nixternal> what video card is in the tecra m2?
[06:07] <nightmare> nvidia
[06:07] <JavaGeek> mmm... So updating to 6.06 RC will uninstall kde?
[06:08] <nixternal> i have a toshiba satellite 1735 with ati rage mobility-c and it runs great...i have some artifacts at times..but they always clear themselves
[06:09] <zero> hui
[06:09] <zero> hi
[06:09] <zero> hihihihi
[06:09] <nightmare> so why this prblem appeeeeers
[06:09] <nightmare> Creating NVIDIA TLS links... done
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Sweet!1
[06:10] <DaSkreech> Fixed it
[06:11] <nightmare> i will try
[06:11] <nightmare> :(
[06:18] <nikkiana> hmm... what do you do if you have a program kinda lock up and then not be able to close it? is there anything in kubuntu that's equivelent to the Ctrl+Alt+Del of WIndows?
[06:18] <nixternal> what is the issue with yahoo and kopete????
[06:18] <admiral_proFTW> open up perfomence monitor
[06:19] <nixternal> ps -e
[06:19] <admiral_proFTW> or "sudo killall -KILL <process>"
[06:19] <nixternal> find the program
[06:19] <nixternal> sudo killall die die die
[06:19] <nixternal> hahah
[06:19] <admiral_proFTW> os "sudo killall -KILL gaim"
[06:19] <admiral_proFTW> is how i do it
[06:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: You mean to kill the program?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: May I make the assumption that it's a GUI program?
[06:21] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, yeah... Firefox locked up for some odd reaso
[06:21] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Try Ctrl+Alt+Esc
[06:21] <corey> is there a better more customizabl email/tasks/calender suite then evolution?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Your mouse should change
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Klik on Firefox
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Do NOT Click on the desktop... ever!!!
[06:22] <nikkiana> ahhh... thanks :)
[06:22] <admiral_proFTW> thunderbird
[06:23] <DaSkreech> anytime
[06:23] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, i take it bad things happen if you were to accidently click on the desktop ;)
[06:24] <DaSkreech> <farnsworth voice>Oh my Yes</farnsworth voice>
[06:25] <DaSkreech> You got it!!
[06:26] <DaSkreech> We all are
[06:26] <DaSkreech> :-) in some way
[06:27] <nikkiana> it's more fun than being frusterated with... say.... Windows. :D
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Oh yeah that goes on for years and years
[06:28] <nikkiana> indeed
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Any other packages to deliver?
[06:29] <LorandKA> hello
[06:29] <LorandKA> just a little help
[06:29] <LorandKA> i need the url for that, windows-partition-auto-mounting script
[06:30] <LorandKA> ...thing
[06:30] <LorandKA> cant find it anywhere
[06:30] <admiral_proFTW> fstab?
[06:30] <LorandKA> dk
[06:30] <admiral_proFTW> http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[06:30] <admiral_proFTW> i think you want that
[06:31] <LorandKA> can i use it in kubuntu?
[06:31] <LorandKA> i used it in Ubuntu last time...
[06:31] <admiral_proFTW> yea
[06:31] <admiral_proFTW> you can
[06:31] <LorandKA> whatever..i'll check it up
[06:31] <LorandKA> thanks
[06:32] <admiral_proFTW> or you can do a "sudo mount /dev/hda# /home/user/Partiton"
[06:32] <admiral_proFTW> if you know which one is the windows partition and wherever you want to mount it
[06:32] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: anything else we can help with?
[06:32] <LorandKA> no..there was a script., that did this things automatiucally on startup
[06:33] <DaSkreech> LorandKA: It works in all linux type thingys
[06:33] <nikkiana> DaSkreech, not at the moment. :)
[06:33] <nikkiana> thanks though :)
[06:33] <PyroMithrandir> fstab will do it automatically if you tell it to
[06:33] <DaSkreech>  Well we are always here
[06:33] <admiral_proFTW> you do an edit on /ect/fstab
[06:33] <nikkiana> i'm sure i'll be around
[06:33] <PyroMithrandir> and using an fstab entry is better than using a script
[06:33] <admiral_proFTW> fstab loads everytime you get on your system
[06:33] <LorandKA> i see
[06:34] <admiral_proFTW> and fstab auto mounts what you tell it
[06:34] <LorandKA> or i could just mount the part's in sys settings/sys admin./disk & filesystem?
[06:35] <LorandKA> nope...I could not
[06:37] <LorandKA> wouldn't be easier, just to find and run that script?? :((
[06:37] <PyroMithrandir> nope
[06:38] <PyroMithrandir> the easiest thing would be to add it to your fstab
[06:38] <LorandKA> i'm kinda affraid using term
[06:38] <admiral_proFTW> termZ
[06:38] <PyroMithrandir> okay, well, you can edit it with a gui if you want
[06:38] <LorandKA> brings me back to the worst days in ms-dos
[06:38] <LorandKA> gui? sounds good
[06:38] <PyroMithrandir> but you will have to open a terminal to get kate open with privs
[06:39] <admiral_proFTW> no man the terminal is quite powerful.
[06:39] <PyroMithrandir> so, open up konsole and type sudo kate /etc/fstab
[06:39] <admiral_proFTW> yea do a "sudo kate /etc/fstab"
[06:39] <admiral_proFTW> omg pyro you suck
[06:39] <HymnToLife> please, use kdesu instead of sudo to run GUI apps
[06:39] <HymnToLife> !kdesu
[06:39] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[06:40] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Great :-)
[06:41] <LorandKA> kdesu kate /etc/fstab ?
[06:41] <admiral_proFTW> ubotu: really? i never heard of that before
[06:41] <ubotu> admiral_proFTW: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:41] <PyroMithrandir> yea
[06:41] <DaSkreech> Always great to have people who laugh at Farnsworth :)
[06:41] <PyroMithrandir> admiral_proFTW, you realize ubotu is a bot?
[06:41] <PyroMithrandir> hence uBOTu
[06:42] <LorandKA> that is chineese for me
[06:42] <HymnToLife> !ubotu
[06:42] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[06:42] <admiral_proFTW> yea now i do
[06:43] <PyroMithrandir> right, LorandKA, the first column is where the partition you want to mount is, the second is where you want to mount it, the third is what kind of partition it is and the other two aren't really important ;)
[06:44] <PyroMithrandir> so, do you know what the location of the partition you want to mount is?
[06:44] <HymnToLife> PyroMithrandir> they are if you mount FAT or NTFS drives
[06:44] <HymnToLife> or if you want to tweak the settings a bit
[06:44] <HymnToLife> quite useful actually
[06:44] <PyroMithrandir> HymnToLife, oh, I know they're useful, but I doubt a newbie would need them
[06:44] <LorandKA> :((
[06:45] <HymnToLife> PyroMithrandir> newbies use a lot of FAT or NTFS , and they like to have access to them ;)
[06:45] <LorandKA> the world is happiness....
[06:45] <PyroMithrandir> oh, geeze, I forget about the options column, didn't I?
[06:45] <PyroMithrandir> I meant that the last two weren't really important
[06:45] <PyroMithrandir> the options column is very important
[06:46] <LorandKA> ..or i can just find that damn script
[06:46] <HymnToLife> LorandKA> what script ?
[06:46] <LorandKA> rhar script. that locates and mounts all the fat32 partitions
[06:47] <LorandKA> last night i have edited ..some...stuff...and kde couldnt boot up
[06:47] <LorandKA> that is why i don't wanna mess up things again
[06:48] <HymnToLife> well, automatic scripts can mess up things badly too, even this one which is unsupported
[06:48] <HymnToLife> especially* sorry
[06:48] <HymnToLife> It's late here :p
[06:49] <LorandKA> whatever, last time i have used that in ubuntu, and it worked,...
[06:49] <LorandKA> okay..have a good night!
[06:53] <HymnToLife> LorandKA> well, if I were you I'd learn how to do it by myself
[06:53] <HymnToLife> it's really not difficult
[06:56] <LorandKA> HymnToLife :(( it's urgent
[06:56] <LorandKA> i will learn that later
[06:56] <HymnToLife> well
[06:56] <HymnToLife> it involves copying 1 line of text
[06:56] <LorandKA> i know that
[06:59] <cfraz89> hi
[07:07] <Bilford> I have a question about KView
[07:07] <Bilford> how do you disable that message asking to Save or Discard Changes after rotating images
[07:08] <LorandKA> cannot make dir permission denied
[07:10] <HymnToLife> LorandKA> sudo :)
[07:27] <johnny3d> I filed a bug for no sound weeks ago, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/43738, but I still have no sound
[07:31] <johnny3d> is there any hope of resolving this issue?
[07:34] <macd> johnny3d: ask in #kubuntu-devel , or #ubuntu+1
[07:39] <johnny3d> thankyou macd
[07:57] <word> Hey uh...how do you use shockwave in a web browser?
[07:58] <word> nevermind
[08:02] <frank__> word: for shockwave, the only way is by using wine I think
[08:03] <word> Yah i got it
[08:39] <Bakemono> hello
[08:41] <imbrandon> 'ello
[08:50] <edulix> hi !
[08:53] <edulix> what I need to reinstall to fix image support in kde?
[08:53] <edulix> it's not working very well, for example konqueror doesn't show image previews and it only opens them correctly with gthumb
[09:10] <jtmoney> will shipit send the final version of dapper to me?
[09:10] <jtmoney> or one of the flights
[09:10] <jtmoney> (i'm confused because the final version hasn't been released yet)
[09:10] <crimsun> only the final.
[09:10] <jtmoney> okay, sweet deal
[09:10] <crimsun> (they obviously won't begin shipping til post-1 june)
[09:11] <jtmoney> right
[09:11] <jtmoney> european?
[09:11] <jtmoney> june 1 > 1 june
[09:11] <crimsun> hmm?
[09:11] <jtmoney> nothing, just weird to see 1 june
[09:11] <jtmoney> ignore me
[09:12] <crimsun> no, we tend to follow convention. The majority of the developers are not in the USA.
[09:12] <jtmoney> ahh, gotcha
[09:12] <crimsun> (I'm from NC myself, but when in Rome...)
[09:12] <jtmoney> ahh, from what part?
[09:13] <crimsun> triad
[09:13] <jtmoney> no clue
[09:13] <crimsun> greensboro
[09:13] <jtmoney> been to blowing rock, boone, ashville, chatolla (sp?), charlotte, mooresville
[09:14] <jtmoney> beautiful state
[09:14] <crimsun> triad's greensboro/winston-salem/high point; the triangle is raleigh/durham/chapel hill
[09:14] <jtmoney> hah, right in the middle of the circus, eh?
[09:14] <jtmoney> (duke LAX)
[09:15] <jtmoney> err, n/m
[09:15] <jtmoney> triangle == circus
[09:27] <GazzaK> is the rc iso dated 25th may the latest iso image?
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno why when ubuntu set up one year ago, the wireless card have been associated to eth1 instead of wlan0
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to correct it?
[09:29] <jtmoney> Tallia1Kubuntu: same here
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is seems kwifimanager complains about it... :(
[09:29] <jtmoney> Tallia1Kubuntu: hmm, not really sure
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> even when the wireless card is connected.. it says it is not..
[09:30] <jtmoney> screw kwifimanager
[09:30] <jtmoney> i hate that program
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> screw?
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> what do you use?
[09:30] <jtmoney> if you go into settings, you can configure a wireless network easily that way
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah, i did that..
[09:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but i have a switch on the laptop
[09:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> for the wifi, and i can't understand when the wifi is on since the led doesn't work
[09:31] <Abnaxos> Hi, I just upgraded to Dapper ...
[09:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i understand if it is on? i am sure that the button is working
[09:31] <GazzaK> from what Abnaxos ?  how do you find it?
[09:32] <Abnaxos> Now, for some reason, X won't start anymore; /var/log/Xorg.0.log sais that the nvidia driver couldn't be loaded
[09:32] <GazzaK> what did you upgrade from?
[09:32] <Abnaxos> breezy
[09:33] <GazzaK> you could try setting your xorg.conf graphics card driver back to nv
[09:33] <GazzaK> and then once in, doing a driver update?
[09:33] <Abnaxos> I've got to add that I'm running a custom kernel (because of suspend2) ...
[09:34] <GazzaK> I have no idea how that would effect things?  lets hope it doesn't
[09:34] <Abnaxos> yeah, that's certainly possible, but the CSS nvidia driver should actually work, too ;)
[09:34] <uwo> hi all. how do i make a back up of my kmail inbox/outbox... if i try to copy the /.kde/share/apps/kmail dir to an external drive i get several "could not write file" errors...
[09:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how can i understand if the wifi card is on using a program? my led is screwed.. it's always on
[09:35] <Abnaxos> Actually, it seems that the NVidia driver's installer is doing someting wrong ... still, although I'm not really a newbie, I'm stuck here :)
[09:35] <GazzaK> I am currently downloading the latest kubuntu iso, I have always done a fresh install, rather than updates, as even though people say updating is fine, I don't feel comfortable going that route
[09:36] <GazzaK> Abnaxos, can you use the nvidia driver in the repos?
[09:37] <Abnaxos> GazzaK: No, because of my custom kernel
[09:37] <GazzaK> oww, 24% of that iso so far :)
[09:37] <GazzaK> eeek, then sorry Abnaxos i'm stuck for ideas for you, but i've only been using linux for a month!
[09:38] <johannes__> hi guys
[09:38] <johannes__> i have kopete 0.12 beta 2 and kde 3.5.1
[09:38] <johannes__> when someone is offering to send me a file in msn it crashes. HELP!
[09:38] <GazzaK> mind you in a month, I've tested 5.10, gnome and kde, 6.06 k&g and now on g and d/ling kubuntu rc
[09:38] <Hobbsee> johannes__: hwo'd you get the beta 2?
[09:40] <johannes__> Hobbsee i think i installed bey hand from sourceforge
[09:40] <Hobbsee> johannes__: ah okay
[09:40] <johannes__> using the manual from their webpage
[09:41] <Hobbsee> johannes__: work around would be to not get people to send you msn files, and work by email instead, i expect
[09:41] <Hobbsee> we cant really troubleshoot it - not having that version on our systems
[09:41] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: smart
[09:41] <GazzaK> smart?
[09:41] <GazzaK> me?
[09:42] <johannes__> yes Hobbsee i thought of that too and will do if there is no easy solution
[09:43] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: smart in downloading a cd
[09:43] <GazzaK> yes, I just do not feel comfortable updating
[09:43] <GazzaK> people say "yeah it's fine to do a dist upgrade" but is it?  is that really wise?
[09:43] <Abnaxos> The versions are: NVidia 8756, Kernel 2.16.17 (almost vanilla, just added Suspend2), Dapper upgraded from Breezy
[09:44] <Abnaxos> GazzaK: Currently definitely no, because it will uninstall almost anything which is related to KDE ... :)
[09:45] <uwo> one more try: how do you export kmail mails in order to do a clean install of your system. i seem to not be able to physically "just copy" the /.kde/apps/kmail directory
[09:45] <GazzaK> do you get an error uwo
[09:46] <uwo> gazzak "could not write file" errors... if i autoskip (or skip all files with error) it copies only 30 Mb out of some 800 Mb
[09:46] <GazzaK> where are you copying them to?
[09:47] <uwo> GazzaK: external drive
[09:47] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: it can be.
[09:47] <GazzaK> 800 mb - ouch, we give users at my work only 100Mb to play with in their mailfiles :)
[09:47] <uwo> GazzaK: it's 3 years worth of private/work files... should try to clean it up a little... :)
[09:48] <GazzaK> uwo, I've had "similar" I did a retry on each error and it retried and worked?
[09:49] <uwo> GazzaK: i only get cancel/skip/autoskip...
[09:50] <GazzaK> thats odd
[09:51] <Abnaxos> Just did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, still no avail
[09:55] <Abnaxos> The question is, where does the new X-server expect the driver so it can find it? (the log sais it can't find the driver)
[09:55] <serenity> hi
[09:57] <serenity> i am using kubuntu 5.10 with kde 3.4, is it possible (if yes...how?) to update to 3.5?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.2
[09:57] <ubotu> hmm... kde3.5.2 is to upgrade to KDE3.5.2, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[09:57] <Hobbsee> serenity: ^
[09:58] <serenity> other one: i want to have firefox as my standrad web-browser. How to configure?
[09:59] <cfraz89> go to systemsettings
[09:59] <cfraz89> then kde components
[10:00] <cfraz89> then go to webbrowser
[10:00] <cfraz89> and change to firefox
[10:00] <serenity> thanks
[10:00] <cfraz89> np
[10:02] <serenity> i switched a week ago, first i was scared and now i love linux
[10:03] <cfraz89> lol yeah its awesome
[10:04] <serenity> but i must pretend that for "normal" users is sometimes very difficult. For me, it's no problem configuring my x-server 2 hours
[10:04] <Abnaxos> hmmm ... strange ... I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, nvidia-xconfig, the module is at /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o, just as in the package, but Xorg can't find it :/
[10:04] <cfraz89> true
[10:05] <cfraz89> Abnaxos: your not using Xorg 7.1 are you?
[10:05] <serenity> is there a command for looking up my kde version?
[10:05] <cfraz89> kde-config -v
[10:06] <Abnaxos> No, Dapper 'default' (except for the kernel)
[10:06] <cfraz89> hmm
[10:06] <cfraz89> have you rebuilt the nvidia driver since you changed kernel?
[10:06] <Abnaxos> yep
[10:07] <Abnaxos> the module is loaded
[10:08] <cfraz89> hmm
[10:09] <cfraz89> my /usr/X11R6/lib doesnt have a modules folder
[10:10] <crazy_penguin> morning all!
[10:11] <cfraz89> morning
[10:11] <cfraz89> Abanaxos: for me it is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules
[10:13] <Abnaxos> oh, I'll try that :)
[10:16] <Abnaxos> yay, a symlink did the job, thanks! :)
[10:16] <cfraz89> np
[10:27] <Broxtor> How can I perform CUPS adminstration tasks in Dapper? My username and password aren't good enough......
[10:27] <cfraz89> i think you have to be in the lpadmin group
[10:28] <Broxtor> cfraz89: I already am. So something else is bothering me....
[10:29] <cfraz89> hmm
[10:29] <cfraz89> maybe sudo adduser cupsys shadow
[10:31] <Broxtor> cfraz89: cupsys is already a member of shadow
[10:31] <cfraz89> hmm
[10:31] <cfraz89> you could try enabling root
[10:32] <Broxtor> cfraz89: how would I do that?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> Broxtor: run kdesu kcontrol
[10:32] <Hobbsee> then add it in that way
[10:33] <cfraz89> sudo passwd root
[10:33] <cfraz89> then set a root password
[10:33] <macd> I added some lmsensors in my /etc/modules and it freezes on boot, even in failsafe mode on sensors, is there anyway to bypass loading modules?
[10:33] <macd> a option I can pass to grub?
[10:33] <cfraz89> once you dont need root anymore its best to lock it
[10:33] <cfraz89> sudo passwd -l root
[10:35] <Abnaxos> macd: add init=/bin/bash to the kernel options, then manually mount /usr, vi /etc/modules and remove the modules
[10:36] <macd> excellent ty.
[10:37] <Broxtor> still no luck
[10:40] <scoopex> hi, where can i get kdevelop for kubuntu-breezy....
[10:42] <HymnToLife> !info kdevelop
[10:42] <scoopex> !info kdevelop
[10:42] <HymnToLife> hmm
[10:42] <HymnToLife> apparently, there is no package for it
[10:43] <cfraz89> sorry Broxtor, im not sure
[10:43] <EvilIdler> The package is kdevelop3
[10:43] <Broxtor> cfraz89: np. Thanks for the help so far.
[10:44] <scoopex> ok :-)
[10:44] <scoopex> thanks
[10:52] <macd> Abnaxos: its stil loading all the kernel modules,....
[10:56] <Abnaxos> With init=/bin/bash? With this option, the boot process stops just after the kernel is up, so it basically can't be. :)
[10:56] <macd> yeah my mistake, I added it on its own line, Im frazzled
[11:13] <pascalFR> !reinstall
[11:13] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, pascalFR
[11:13] <pascalFR> !pastebin
[11:13] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[11:33] <_esben> It seems I need either ruby 1.8.2 or 1.8.4, but the repository version is 1.8.3 (it says 1.8.2 but it is 1.8.3). How do I install one of the others?
[11:34] <piotrek> who now how can i install intel c++ compiler on kununtu?
[11:39] <g0dchild> How do i install qcomicbook - is it available through apt?
[11:40] <jpatrick> g0dchild: compile and install it?
[11:40] <g0dchild> yeah, tried that-
[11:41] <g0dchild> and when i do, i get an error...wait..let me get it
[11:41] <johannes__> sry guys i havent worked it out by now: i wanna download a wma file from my notebook to the ipod nano, understandably it just wants to be fed with mp3s . how do i convert in ubuntu breezy,kde351?
[11:41] <jpatrick> what happened?
[11:41] <g0dchild> #checking correct functioning of Qt installation... cat: bnv_qt_test.c: No such file or directory failure
[11:42] <g0dchild> any ideas what the prob is- am i missing qt-headers
[11:42] <jpatrick> johannes__: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IPodHowto
[11:42] <piotrek> who now how can i install intel c++ compiler?
[11:43] <jpatrick> g0dchild: install libqt3-mt-dev
[11:43] <g0dchild> got it-
[11:43] <g0dchild> :S
[11:43] <uros> hi all. does atumatiks work for dapper?
[11:44] <g0dchild> uros, i read somewhere it didnt
[11:44] <g0dchild> i used easyubuntu
[11:45] <uros> godchild: tnx.
[11:49] <corey> Can I get a little help? I have autofs set up so that I can see my NTFS volumes, but I can only access them if I "su -" first. How can I set the permissions so all accounts see my NTFS volumes?
[11:49] <javier> #join #kubuntu-devel
[12:13] <xst> How do I configure konqueror to NOT move deleted files to trash?
[12:15] <seaLne> launchpad is back
[12:15] <klerfayt> what's the package name that enables video thumbnails in konqueror?
[12:15] <nico8481> xst: Settings>configure Konqueror>Behavior>"Show 'Delete' context menu entry....."
[12:16] <xst> ok
[12:17] <nico8481> xst: "thanks" is the word you're looking for
[12:17] <cyberserver> Hi people. Where should I discuss dapper install problems?
[12:18] <cyberserver> Is there a #kubuntu+1 ?
[12:19] <ccc_> cyberserver: all versions go in here afaik
[12:20] <Hobbsee> cyberserver: in here
[12:25] <cyberserver> My kubuntu rc install is stalling at 81% .... I'm guessing its a kernel panic as I've lost control of the machine...
[12:25] <cyberserver> ... or maybe its a problem on grub-install ...
[12:26] <cyberserver>  ( as I've just notisted my grub is messed up )
[12:32] <macd> cyberserver: does it say kernel panic?
[12:33] <cyberserver> No. My installer just stalls
[12:34] <waterglass> hi, i'm  a little new to kubuntu and i'm thinking of buying a microsoft ergonomics keyboard.. i've heard of a few packages that help to suport the extra programmable keys but just wanted to know, has anyone got all the extra keys on it working on kubuntu?
[12:35] <waterglass> it's just that it's quite expensive and i don't wanna waste moneyon it until i know for sure
[12:37] <Hestia> waterglass it's doable, but expect to spend alot of time trying to get it working right
[12:41] <cyberserver> My kubuntu rc install is stalling at 81% .... I'm guessing its a kernel panic as I've lost control of the machine... or maybe its a problem on grub-install ( as I've just notisted my grub is messed up )
[12:41] <cyberserver> The installer placed 1.5G in my drive and I see no grub in /boot
[12:42] <johannes__> hi, is there someone familiar with the kaddressbook?
[12:43] <klerfayt> I see that if I have lately used sudo then kdesu adept won't start adept
[12:52] <tsdgeos> anyone knows why updating from 5.10 to 6.06 gave me a ugly boot sequence?
[12:52] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: define ugly
[12:52] <tsdgeos> seems the same as before
[12:52] <tsdgeos> but with ugly colors and probably much less resolution
[12:53] <Hobbsee> tsdgeos: that's the new usplash, i expect
[12:53] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: type in the konsole dmesg and look what is your vga=
[12:53] <waterglass> Hestia: thanks.. sorry i just saw your reply.. missed it earlier somehow
[12:53] <Bizzeh> i just grabbed, gcc, all automake versions, binutils, and kdevelop
[12:53] <Bizzeh> but
[12:53] <Bizzeh> when i try and compile a project, i get this http://pastebin.com/740948
[12:53] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: what's your desktop resolution?
[12:53] <tsdgeos> klerfayt: 1280*1024
[12:53] <tsdgeos> tsdgeos@bluebox:~$ dmesg | grep vga=
[12:53] <tsdgeos> tsdgeos@bluebox:~$
[12:54] <Bizzeh> its the "aclocal: configure.in: 8: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library" i dont get
[12:54] <tsdgeos> Bizzeh: install libtool
[12:54] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: try   vga=794
[12:54] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: you know how to add it to grub ?
[12:54] <tsdgeos> strange it worked before
[12:54] <tsdgeos> yeah
[12:54] <Bizzeh> will do
[12:55] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: vga=794  will set your framebuffer to 1280x124 16bit
[12:55] <klerfayt> tsdgeos: *1280x1024*
[12:55] <tsdgeos> klerfayt: ok, let's reboot and see if that helps
[12:55] <Bizzeh> tsdgeos: ok, im getting somewhere now
[12:55] <Bizzeh> but
[12:55] <Bizzeh> now i get
[12:55] <Bizzeh> "configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables"
[12:56] <MasterEvilAce> script problem?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> !b-e
[12:57] <ubotu> or if you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, or get "make: command not found, then you need to do a    sudo apt-get install build-essential.
[12:57] <Bizzeh> hmmn, g++ didnt install with gcc as it said it would
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Bizzeh: installed ^?
[12:57] <Bizzeh> installing that now
[12:58] <tsdgeos> well
[12:58] <tsdgeos> it improved a bit
[12:58] <tsdgeos> but only because it's smaller :D
[12:58] <Bizzeh> ahh
[12:58] <Bizzeh> all good
[12:58] <Bizzeh> <3
[01:02] <cyberserver> any way I can boot rc cd in text mode ( to do a install in text mode )?
[01:02] <kmon> anyone knows how to change the locale from the live cd? so I can use my keyboard layout properly?
[01:02] <tsdgeos> cyberserver: recovery mode option in grub gives you a text mode
[01:03] <cyberserver> tsdgeos : Ok, but I dont have the option to install in text mode ( a la debian, as it was before flight5 or so )
[01:03] <tsdgeos> cyberserver: no idea :D
[01:04] <rob> how can I get konqueror to show a web page by default when I run it, at the moment I just get a blank page when it starts
[01:05] <tsdgeos> rob: go to the page you want to start it
[01:05] <tsdgeos> and then go to settings -> save profile
[01:05] <tsdgeos> and be sure "save url" is checked
[01:05] <rob> thanks tsdgeos
[01:05] <h3sp4wn> cyberserver: Use the alternate cd (its the old install one)
[01:05] <rob> that worked :)
[01:06] <cyberserver> h3sp4wn : oh, great!
[01:06] <rob> any idea why Konqueror starts so small?
[01:06] <rob> ah same again
[01:09] <klerfayt> rob: settings>save view profile
[01:10] <rob> klerfayt, yeah I found that, had to tick "save window size" also
[01:10] <klerfayt> rob: I have no idea why "saving profile" is better idea
[01:11] <rob> it caught me out, kind of seems dumb but its done now
[01:11] <klerfayt> rob: have resize it anyway then browsing different sites
[01:25] <n3storm> hi everyone
[01:26] <n3storm> upgrading to Dapper I got this:
[01:26] <n3storm> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:26] <n3storm> and now not all packages can be upgraded
[01:26] <n3storm> some of them important ones
[01:26] <Hobbsee> n3storm: paste all the stuff above that to pastebin?
[01:26] <n3storm> uf
[01:27] <n3storm> Hobbsee: I can't
[01:27] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:27] <Hobbsee> run sudo dpkg-configure -a
[01:27] <n3storm> The machine is a laptop, and I am using my old pc
[01:28] <n3storm> I have done that
[01:28] <uros> does any1 know what the mac os style panel that replaces kicker is called?
[01:28] <RogueJediX> How do I make my machine diplay japanese characters correctly?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> uros: baghira or something?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> it's on kde-look.org
[01:29] <n3storm> yeah uros, check at baghira website, they have nice howtos for that
[01:29] <dergringo> uros: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=8692
[01:30] <Hobbsee> n3storm: i dont have enough information to even start doing that - what did sudo dpkg-configure -a do?
[01:30] <n3storm> Hobbsee: I don't have this package: dpkg-configure -a
[01:30] <n3storm> well, dpkg-configure
[01:30] <n3storm> doesn't exist
[01:30] <Hobbsee> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:30] <n3storm> ok
[01:31] <uros> thnx all
[01:31] <n3storm> Hobbsee: something is going on now
[01:31] <n3storm> thanks
[01:31] <klerfayt> RogueJediX: what's wrong with your japanese characters?
[01:32] <RogueJediX> klerfayt: All I get are weird symbols and squares, when I think I should be getting either katakana or kanji
[01:33] <klerfayt> RogueJediX: do you have fonts installed?
[01:34] <RogueJediX> klerfayt: I'm not sure. Japanese characters display fine on websites in Konqueror, but not in the console
[01:34] <n3storm> I've been asked to use Dash instead of Bash, is it a good idea?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> n3storm: not heard of dash
[01:35] <n3storm> I'll give it a try
[01:40] <_user> howdee
[01:44] <uros> installing dapper on thinkpad - system settings says to load nvram module "insmod nvram"; i tried this but i get insmod: can't read 'nvram': No such file or directory
[01:47] <_user> Does anyone know why openoffice would open then close while trying to open a xls or doc file from a network drive in kde, yet if booted into gnome they open fine??
[01:47] <klerfayt> ehee adept is using nuvola icons - any way to change that?
[01:48] <n3storm> _user: which kind of network drive?
[01:48] <n3storm> do you mean smb:/ or nfs:/ ?
[01:49] <n3storm> Openoffice cannot handle smb:/ nfs:/ or fish:/
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> n3storm: or media:/ for that matter.
[01:50] <dbglt> hey folks
[01:50] <n3storm> LeeJunFan: that's right any:/
[01:51] <dbglt> just wondering how I can get juk to work with gstreamer? I did a dist-upgrade to dapper, and now juk won't output to gstreamer anymore
[01:51] <_user> smb: - they open fine through gnome though
[01:52] <n3storm> _user: don't know, but if you mount the smb it will work ok, the prob is that smb:/ are not real mounted network directories
[01:52] <n3storm> you can mount dirs with smb4k
[01:53] <_user> yeah wierd.. tried 7 diferent distros and gnome work fine but kde would just open openoffice then close back down
[01:54] <_user> might try koffice
[01:55] <n3storm> _user: mount those dirs using smb4k, you want need to change your office suite
[01:57] <ubuntu> Hi! I'm trying to install 6.06 from livecd, but the installer doesn't have reiserfs. Is it a bug or what?
[02:00] <_user> dont want to do that for everyone in the office. You see my work doesnt want to fork out the money to be fix there lack of MS licensing issues so I am on a mission to convert the office to linux. 100+ users. I want a 1 cd install distro that doesnt need to much tweaking to talk to the Windows side of the business.
[02:00] <_user> kubuntu would be ideal if this error didnt pop up
[02:02] <drbreen> hello
[02:02] <_user> hi
[02:02] <GazzaK> hi user
[02:02] <drbreen> i have an pentium II processor and an amount of 64 mb ram
[02:03] <drbreen> kubuntu runs but is slows
[02:03] <GazzaK> I bet it is slow
[02:03] <jpatrick> drbreen: I'm not surprised
[02:03] <tsdgeos> drbreen: you need more mem
[02:03] <drbreen> so can i just upgrade ram and hope it to run faster or do i need a faster processor ?
[02:03] <drbreen> so 128 mb would be ok ?
[02:03] <GazzaK> what speed PIII?
[02:03] <_user> what speed
[02:04] <drbreen> 350 mhz
[02:04] <_user> 256 at least i rekon
[02:04] <drbreen> can go up to ~400 i think
[02:04] <GazzaK> I'd look at more than that drbreen as the slower cpu will kinda be offset a little by more ram
[02:04] <drbreen> sorry i do not really understand what you are trying to tell me ?!
[02:04] <drbreen> i am not so good at english
[02:04] <drbreen> :~
[02:04] <GazzaK> 350 > 400 mhz isn't gonna make much difference, but 64Mb to 256 will
[02:05] <drbreen> a i see
[02:05] <_user> upgrade everything you can afford to
[02:05] <GazzaK> so get 2 x 128Mb memory modules.
[02:05] <drbreen> i have another pc which runs fine
[02:05] <drbreen> but i wanted to use this crap pc and xfce is not really that configurable
[02:05] <drbreen> the other has an athlon 2000+ and 265 mb ram
[02:06] <_user> vmware....
[02:06] <_user> love it
[02:06] <drbreen> GazzaK: what is recommended for running open office ?
[02:06] <jpatrick> lots of mem
[02:06] <drbreen> which amoutn of ram
[02:06] <jpatrick> I prefer KOffice
[02:07] <_user> id put more ram in your other pc. Buy vmware and throw out the old pc
[02:07] <GazzaK> not sure whats recommended drbreen
[02:07] <GazzaK> I agree with _user
[02:08] <RogueJediX> Why buy vmware when there's qemu and bochs?
[02:08] <GazzaK> more ram in good pc and bin old one
[02:08] <_user> xen even
[02:08] <_user> i know
[02:08] <drbreen> the old pc is for my mom so she can finally ditch newspapers - i just dont like binning usable hardware ;)
[02:08] <drbreen> errr... can i say "binning" ?
[02:09] <drbreen> from to bin
[02:09] <_user> vmware so much easier though
[02:09] <RogueJediX> Good point
[02:10] <drbreen> does koffice use less ram than open office ? and can it read odf, doc, rtf ?
[02:10] <jpatrick> drbreen: yes to all
[02:12] <jpatrick> I'm going to eat
[02:13] <drbreen> jpatrick: the last time i used koffice it had some problems with odf formulas
[02:13] <drbreen> jpatrick: is that an oo.org issue or an koffice one ?
[02:13] <tsdgeos> drbreen: did you report a bug?
[02:14] <RogueJediX> drbreen: What version did you have at the time? 1.5 fixes a A LOT of problems
[02:14] <drbreen> is 1.5 in breezy repositories 
[02:14] <drbreen> ?
[02:14] <RogueJediX> drbreen: No, but you can add the repository yourself
[02:15] <tsdgeos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-15.php
[02:15] <RogueJediX> Damn you, tsdgeos and your uber-fast pasting skills >_<
[02:15] <tsdgeos> :-P
[02:16] <drbreen> so how does one add a repo throgh use of CLI ?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> drbreen: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list and add the repo on a new line
[02:16] <drbreen> i do not want my upgrades to stop when i waste the x server...
[02:17] <Hobbsee> add a repo, or update?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> upgrade:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:18] <drbreen> Hobbsee: i know that with use of editor i just thought it could be there is something like "apt-get addrepository http://myrepo.com/ breezy/universe # my cool repository for STUFF(tm)"
[02:18] <Hobbsee> drbreen: nah, you have to add it separately...
[02:18] <Hobbsee> you can add cdroms that way though
[02:19] <RogueJediX> Which is the first thing I commented out. I just prefer to leech everything off the online repos
[02:20] <Hobbsee> true
[02:20] <Hobbsee> same here
[02:20] <drbreen> i prefer online stuff also
[02:20] <drbreen> do i have to add all the koffice breezy repos or just one ?
[02:20] <RogueJediX> drbreen: Just one of your choice
[02:20] <drbreen> ok ill take uni of bonn
[02:21] <RogueJediX> drbreen: Also, don't forget to do sudo apt-get update afterwards
[02:22] <drbreen> yeah i know
[02:22] <drbreen> thx
[02:23] <buddens> i upgraded to dapper yesterday and i cant get my ati radeon to work (fglrxinfo always shows mesa) and my sound doesnt work anymore (sb live, playback seems fine, i just dont get any output)
[02:23] <drbreen> a question: why didnt they put koffice 1.5 in their repositories ?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> drbreen: was after feature freeze, adn UVF
[02:23] <drbreen> wasted! dapper is beta.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> drbreen: only for another 4 or so days...
[02:24] <drbreen> oh nice
[02:24] <RogueJediX> Hobbsee: That soon?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> drbreen: the idea of not sticking unstable stuff in what's about to be stable is usually recommended :P
[02:24] <Hobbsee> RogueJediX: june 1 was the last i heard
[02:24] <RogueJediX> Cool!
[02:24] <drbreen> Hobbsee: so ko 1.5 is "unstable" ? what does that mean ? unstable like m$ software or unstable like debian unstable ?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> drbreen: the latter
[02:24] <RogueJediX> drbreen: Unstable as in not been thoroughly tested with Breezy
[02:25] <Hobbsee> drbreen: well, it was released after the feature freezes, etc
[02:26] <Hobbsee> actually, come to think of it...i wonder what happened to the UVF exception for it...
[02:26] <RogueJediX> Hobbsee: It did get into Dapper, though, right?
[02:26] <Hobbsee> RogueJediX: 1.5 did, not 1.5.1 though, i think
[02:26] <RogueJediX> Dang
[02:27] <Hobbsee> no, was too late
[02:27] <Hobbsee> 1.5.0 is in there
[02:27] <drbreen> my system load average is at 2 mostly, but in peak times it goes up near to 5 ? is that bad ?
[02:27] <RogueJediX> Oh, well. Can't complain with full ODF support and everything
[02:29] <Hobbsee> RogueJediX: edgy, it will be
[02:30] <RogueJediX> Hobbsee: Isn't KDE4 coming out around that time?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> RogueJediX: no, it'll be released sometime after edgy
[02:30] <RogueJediX> Cwap :/
[02:32] <goldenear> edgy will be an updated dapper... more stable I guess.
[02:32] <_user> what the easist way to clone a linux hard drive?
[02:32] <goldenear> _user: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb
[02:33] <goldenear> (of course if the two drives are the same model/capacity)
[02:35] <_user> if i add a new hard drive into a kubuntu pc will it reconise it as /dev/hdb or do I need to format it or something?
[02:35] <drbreen> no i think not
[02:35] <Pupeno_> !mp3
[02:35] <ubotu> well, mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:36] <drbreen> you do just have to add it with "disk manager"
[02:36] <drbreen> or something like this at "system settings"
[02:36] <_user> cool ill give it a go
[02:38] <RogueJediX> !h264
[02:38] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, RogueJediX
[02:38] <RogueJediX> Damn
[02:39] <buddens> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+ticket/928 <- this one describes my problem. any ideas how to fix it?
[02:42] <noteventime> 'ello
[02:42] <noteventime> Does anyone know if there are any problems with DVI resulution 1440x900 with NVIDIA drivers?
[02:44] <slow-motion> hallo
[02:44] <noteventime> 'ello slow-motion
[02:44] <slow-motion> hi noteventime
[02:52] <uros> can you make an application running in sudo take up on your theme (style&win decorations)?
[02:53] <uniq_> you'll have to install/choose the theme for the root user. 'sudo kcontrol' choose theme there.
[02:54] <chavo> uros, I'd suggest using a different color scheme at least. just to remind you that you're root and not to mess up
[02:55] <uros> chaco: not a bad idea... will stick with it 4 a while
[02:56] <Hobbsee> RogueJediX: kde 3.5.3 and 3.5.4 are coming out, they'll be in edgy..
[03:02] <larry> #opensuse
[03:03] <dergringo> hm
[03:09] <xanax`> hello
[03:09] <GazzaK> hello xanax`
[03:19] <Desh> Hi, after choosing fglrx as my video driver all my fonts got bigger. how can I change my DPI?
[03:20] <cfraz89> make a file called .Xresources in your home
[03:20] <cfraz89> and paste this into it:
[03:20] <cfraz89> Xft.dpi:96
[03:20] <Desh> Ok, llemme try.
[03:20] <Bilford> are Linux programs uncompiled C?
[03:20] <cfraz89> sometimes, it depends
[03:20] <cfraz89> there are many compiled packages
[03:20] <Gentix> I have problems with skype. When I have a conversation I can hear myself on the speakers. How do I fix this? (ive got a sb pci512)
[03:20] <cfraz89> and many, especially KDE progs, are c++
[03:21] <Bilford> uncompiled?
[03:21] <dergringo> Gentix: use www.openwengo.org :D
[03:21] <cfraz89> Bilford: usually uncompiled
[03:21] <Bilford> weird
[03:21] <cfraz89> but many have compiled packages too
[03:21] <Gentix> thats not a solution. This is a problem within the sound mixer setup
[03:21] <Bilford> so they compile whenever you start them?
[03:21] <cfraz89> its too hard to support compiled packages for many distros
[03:21] <cfraz89> for some reason, autopackage hasnt caught on
[03:21] <Desh> Ok, restart time.
[03:22] <Desh> Thanks cfraz89.
[03:22] <cfraz89> np
[03:22] <Desh> :)
[03:22] <Gentix> I have problems with skype. When I have a conversation I can hear myself on the speakers. How do I fix this? (ive got a sb pci512)
[03:23] <cfraz89> Try turning off the microphone in the mixer
[03:23] <_user> turn off the speakers :)
[03:23] <cfraz89> actually
[03:23] <cfraz89> leave it on
[03:23] <cfraz89> but turn volume right down
[03:23] <cfraz89> thats how i use skype
[03:23] <Gentix> cfraz89: I tried that then the other person can't hear me
[03:23] <cfraz89> wierd
[03:24] <Murfy> skype on linux = crap, use OpenWengo instead :)
[03:24] <cfraz89> did you try volume up + mic off?
[03:24] <Gentix> yes yes really nice theis openwengo..... DOES IT WORK WITH SKYPE USERS???
[03:24] <Gentix> I'll give it some more shots at it
[03:24] <Murfy> no but they should use it too :)
[03:25] <Gentix> then openwengo is nowhere
[03:25] <dergringo> Gentix: This is not possible: http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf
[03:25] <Gentix> people wont use it cause they want to talk to skype users
[03:25] <cfraz89> Gentix: mute the capture channel
[03:25] <Gentix> look at kopete and howmany people use msn instead of icq or other networks
[03:25] <cfraz89> http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=4489
[03:26] <dusan> I have problem with play dvds, the linux show me a blank dvd, but in dvd rom is dvd with video? Why?
[03:26] <dergringo> Gentix: tell all your friends to use openwengo :) There are binarys for win32/osx/*nix
[03:26] <psyke83> dusan: did you follow the guide here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:27] <Murfy> isn't there any client which works with the skype protocol?
[03:27] <dergringo> Murfy: not unless you have skype installed, too
[03:28] <dergringo> Murfy: did you have a look at this: http://www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf ?
[03:28] <Murfy> i will now
[03:30] <Gentix> Sound problem fixt
[03:30] <Gentix> simple turn down the AC97 channel
[03:31] <Desh> Ok, I have installed fglrx, X works, yay. Now, the Penguin Racer game still does not work. Do I need to configure fglrx somehow?
[03:32] <Gentix> desh you prolly got some glx issues
[03:32] <Gentix> Desh: are you sure you have all the ati libs installed?
[03:32] <ninHer> hi all
[03:33] <_user> howdee
[03:34] <Desh> Well, I folwed the instructions from the Ubuntu Wiki.
[03:34] <Desh> The game loads, but it runs really slow.
[03:35] <Steven_M> is mplayer avaliable for dapper flight 6?
[03:36] <dusan> psyke83: Yes I install libdvdcss2 but linux show me blank dvd
[03:36] <uros> am having difficulties with konqeuror crashing on a sight with embedded realplayer stream. anyone willing to help?
[03:36] <Desh> Use forefox. :)
[03:36] <Desh> *firefox
[03:36] <Hobbsee> !+mplayer
[03:37] <ubotu> mplayer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[03:37] <uros> desh: it does help :), but prefer konqeueror
[03:38] <Desh> Hehe, are you using mplayer? Have not tried it o konqueror but it works great on firefox.
[03:39] <jpatrick> KMPlayer ftw
[03:39] <Steven_M> ftw?
[03:39] <Desh> I can't get this stupid game to work.
[03:41] <uros> dash: not mplayer... trying so far either kaffeine (which crashes) or realplayer, which doens't embed
[03:41] <uros> desh: which plugn does mplayer need?
[03:43] <Desh> OH SNAP!!! STEAM SEEMS TO BE WORKING!!
[03:43] <Desh> With Wine.
[03:43] <Desh> Ok, i have Cdega, how do I put steam in there to work?
[03:43] <MasterEvilAce> Desh: ya that's what i hear
[03:44] <MasterEvilAce> I think only HL1 engine games run though
[03:44] <Desh> Fatal Error. :(
[03:44] <MasterEvilAce> i don't think HL2 works
[03:44] <Desh> I read Cdega works with HL2.
[03:44] <MasterEvilAce> Cdega is fee based right
[03:45] <Desh> Yeah.
[03:45] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[03:45] <BazziR> the wine devs are implementing more and more for hl2 to work though
[03:45] <BazziR> especially steam
[03:45] <MasterEvilAce> that's good
[03:46] <MasterEvilAce> i want gaming supported really well in linux
[03:46] <MasterEvilAce> so i can switch
[03:46] <EvilIdler> Google fixed over 200 bugs in Wine, too. That's going to help a good bit.
[03:46] <MasterEvilAce> how does DirectX stuff work? do you have to use opengl, or does wine/cdega have stuff implemented to allow some sort of Directx clone?
[03:47] <Desh> Steam loads up but theN i get a message: FATAL ERROR. Could not load module 'bin/vgui2.dll'
[03:47] <EvilIdler> Direct3D is just a layer between games and OpenGL in Wine.
[03:47] <MasterEvilAce> hmm
[03:48] <MasterEvilAce> so it basically takes the equivilant of direct3d and uses opengl?
[03:49] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: All 3D calls are done with OpenGL, yes. Shaders might be more evolved in Cedega, though.
[03:49] <MasterEvilAce> why'd the cedega people become greedy
[03:49] <MasterEvilAce> *cries*
[03:49] <Desh> :(
[03:50] <EvilIdler> MasterEvilAce: It's not greed. Apart from two sections, all if available as source.
[03:50] <MasterEvilAce> the main sections?
[03:50] <Desh> :)
[03:50] <EvilIdler> They had to license a few types of copy protection, plus some shader-related stuff.
[03:50] <MasterEvilAce> *cries harder*
[03:50] <klerfayt> anyone else having problems with "gam_server" ? end from FAM server connection invalid length 24902
[03:53] <MasterEvilAce> WHY CEDEGA WHYYYYY
[03:56] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: :D
[03:57] <MasterEvilAce> I have a linux related question
[03:57] <MasterEvilAce> My question is: Why, Cedega, why?
[03:57] <XVampireX> What?
[03:57] <XVampireX> What's wrong with cedega?
[03:58] <MasterEvilAce> What's right with it?
[03:58] <XVampireX> Alot
[03:58] <GazzaK> hey MasterEvilAce
[03:58] <MasterEvilAce> hello
[03:58] <XVampireX> lol
[03:59] <stjepan> anyone here uses kxdocker?
[04:02] <hugelmopf> klerfayt: there exists a bug about this gam_server problem.
[04:02] <Desh> Ragnarok (kRO) won't load with Wine.
[04:02] <klerfayt> hugelmopf: how I fix it?
[04:02] <MasterEvilAce> Desh: CEDEGA???
[04:02] <hugelmopf> klerfayt: where do you get that error message? https://launchpad.net/bugs/36581
[04:02] <Desh> Nah, I don;t know how to use it.
[04:03] <MasterEvilAce> WHY ?? WHY CEDEGA???
[04:03] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[04:04] <minimouse> hello, please i need some help with software raid on kubuntu. kubuntu installer doens't recognize the hard drive at all (partitioner doesn't show any disks or partitions). laptop is toshiba portege S100 with 80GB RAID0 hard drive. Matter is very urgent.
[04:04] <klerfayt> hugelmopf: it's in ~/.xsession-errors
[04:04] <klerfayt> hugelmopf: is it because I use reiserfs as filesystem?
[04:04] <hugelmopf> klerfayt: then we are talking about the same bug. no solution yet though. have you recently upgraded to dapper?
[04:06] <stjepan> will anyone here do me a favour? I need a checkinstalled kxdocker package for dapper. (kxdocker-1.1.4a)
[04:06] <Hobbsee> stjepan: compile it yourself?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> checkinstalled debs are dangerous.
[04:07] <stjepan> Hobbsee, I can't get it working
[04:07] <Hobbsee> checkinstalled debs are not to be redistrobuted
[04:07] <Hobbsee> !info kxdocker dapper
[04:07] <ubotu> kxdocker: (innovative docker for KDE that is like Mac OSX Docker), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 0.39-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 253 kB, Installed size: 832 kB
[04:07] <stjepan> ohh
[04:07] <Hobbsee> besides, it's in repos...
[04:07] <MasterEvilAce> what in the world is a checkinstalled deb
[04:07] <stjepan> I need latest kxdocker deb
[04:07] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: checkinstall is evil.
[04:07] <MasterEvilAce> so it's been said
[04:07] <MasterEvilAce> !info checkinstall
[04:07] <Hobbsee> stjepan: that isnt the latest?
[04:07] <ubotu> checkinstall: (installation tracker), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 1.5.3-3 (breezy), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 132 kB
[04:07] <stjepan> Hobbsee, the one in the dapper repos is too old
[04:08] <silvia> hi, i'm trying to get my lexmark printer to work, i installed the drivers as recommended by www.ubuntuusers.de. but now when i start "printer" in the system konfiguration a window pops up saying "initializing printersystem.." an there it hangs
[04:08] <stjepan> Hobbsee, latest one is 1.1.4a
[04:08] <Hobbsee> stjepan: you'll have to compile it then...why didnt it want to compile?
[04:08] <stjepan> Hobbsee, it compiled
[04:08] <silvia> is this a known bug and is there a workaround?
[04:08] <stjepan> Hobbsee, but I compiled it badly :(
[04:08] <Hobbsee> silvia: grr...that again?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: found someone to reproduce your bug.
[04:09] <Hobbsee> stjepan: define "badly"
[04:09] <silvia> Hobbsee: does that mean it is a known bug and there is no workaround?
[04:10] <stjepan> Hobbsee, when running kxdocker it wanted to get libraries from /opt/kde/blah/blah/lib/  Strange, huh?
[04:10] <stjepan> Hobbsee, but I did ./configure --prefix=/usr
[04:10] <klerfayt> hugelmopf: are you expert?
[04:10] <klerfayt> hugelmopf: I did flight 7 install
[04:10] <klerfayt> hugelmopf: and it's updated
[04:10] <stjepan> Hobbsee, I'll try to install it again
[04:11] <stjepan> btw, what is the name of the next ubuntu unstable? (after dapper)
[04:11] <MasterEvilAce> Snaggypants
[04:11] <hugelmopf> klerfayt: i don't know how to solve that bug, but for me it disappeared after a few days.
[04:12] <MasterEvilAce> how are the names determined anyways
[04:12] <UbuntuProbz`> NAZIS
[04:12] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: there is a long explanation as to *why* checkinstall's evil, but you'r eprobably happy just knowing that it is, and that it's okay for your system, as long as you dont majorly upgrade your system
[04:13] <Desh> fglrx is working as my video driver, X works, but games like planet penguin racer still run VERY slowly.
[04:13] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: why the positive name, then? checkinstall surely seems like something you'd want to do after every install...
[04:13] <Desh> Anyone know how to fix this?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: heh.  i dont know
[04:14] <silvia> [16:07]  <Hobbsee> silvia: grr...that again?  <--- does that mean it is a known bug and there is no workaround?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> silvia: yeah, reading back - i ignored all this red to deal with the *other* red.
[04:14] <GazzaK> what was that from ubuntuprobz???
[04:15] <Hobbsee> stjepan: tried installing those specific libraries?
[04:15] <silvia> ok i see
[04:15] <silvia> cu
[04:17] <Hobbsee> stjepan: edgy.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: a troll, from #ubuntu
[04:17] <MasterEvilAce> omg you're an op
[04:17] <Hobbsee> okay...anythign i missed?
[04:17] <MasterEvilAce> you can't hide
[04:18] <MasterEvilAce> we already know who you are
[04:18] <GazzaK> Hobbsee: really, thats sad
[04:18] <Hobbsee> oh darn, silvia left..
[04:18] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: yeah, rather
[04:19] <GazzaK> I can't belive they would troll, not organised anyhows, just some lonely guy with nothing better to do...
[04:20] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: nah, you'll love the *real* trolls...ack...
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> mommy says trolls aren't real
[04:23] <GazzaK> lol @ MasterEvilAce
[04:24] <Adam_eM> hi there
[04:24] <MasterEvilAce> hello
[04:24] <Adam_eM> i've just burnt dapper rc live, and i'm impressed :)
[04:24] <MasterEvilAce> :)
[04:25] <Adam_eM> i'm just starting with (k)ubuntu
[04:26] <MasterEvilAce> first time with linux?
[04:26] <Adam_eM> MasterEvilAce: no, first time with this particular distribution
[04:26] <MasterEvilAce> Adam_eM: Ah. cool. Stay away from checkinstalls, i hear. they're dangerous. I don't know why, nobody tells me these things. :)
[04:27] <GazzaK> Adam_eM: nice isn't it :)
[04:27] <GazzaK> checkinstalls - ?  tell me more MasterEvilAce?
[04:28] <MasterEvilAce> That's all i know, honest.
[04:28] <MasterEvilAce> first time i heard it was 10 minutes ago
[04:28] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee mentioned it!
[04:28] <MasterEvilAce> nag him to tell us :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: it's evil.
[04:28] <Adam_eM> MasterEvilAce: I'm just testing it at the moment. It works fine... nearly fine
[04:28] <Hobbsee> yes, oh green martian.
[04:29] <MasterEvilAce> Adam_eM: Yeah, my first time with dapper, too. I installed it half a week ago. It's very good. My favorite so far.. a few nagging things here and there, but i'm slowing fixing them
[04:29] <Adam_eM> GazzaK:  what do you mean ? the distro ?
[04:30] <Adam_eM> i can't launch the add/remove thing, and some more apps
[04:31] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce, GazzaK:  I dont have the full and long explanation of it, as my head's hurting a fair bit, but each package has its' dependancies - checkinstall is not good at figuring out what the dependancies are - so while it works on yoru system, it's not redistributable, as no two people are likely to have the same package installed on their system.  It's a very bad and nasty hack
[04:32] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: lol, alright. sorry about your head. I wouldn't have told everyone to nag you if i had known :)
[04:32] <Adam_eM> i've chosen the distro, because i am really dissapointed with suse 10.1. I've heard that ubuntu has much more packages in the repos, and i can upgrade them smoothly
[04:33] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: hehe, i'ts okay
[04:33] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: by the way, i'm female....
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: sorry to hear about that ... we can't be friends anymore, then
[04:33] <Adam_eM> or even whole OS
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Adam_eM: yeah, particularly if you enable multiverse
[04:34] <Adam_eM> is there a possibility to edit xorg,conf when i am using livecd ?
[04:35] <Adam_eM> multiverse ? i don't get it clearly
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce> Adam_eM: disappointed? Suse? I like suse (although i like kubuntu more, now).. i felt suse was one of the better distros out there. and Adept shows like 18,700 something packages available
[04:36] <MasterEvilAce> Adam_eM: extra repositories that you can enable in sources.list .. allows you to have access to more stuff
[04:36] <Hestia> but suse is begining to lean towards gnome
[04:36] <Adam_eM> MasterEvilAce: yeah i like(d) suse too, but the recent release isn't good imo
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> Adam_eM: You can edit it from the livecd (it uses unionfs)
[04:37] <GazzaK> Adam_eM: I have the live cd running on the work laptop - it's been running for a week with no reboots fine, any apps you install will be lost upon a crash or reboot
[04:38] <Adam_eM> h3sp4wn: i wanted to enable composite and check how it works, but i don't know how since i can't save any file (that's obvious)
[04:38] <Hestia> GazzaK, that can't be doing your cd drive any favours
[04:38] <GazzaK> I think compiz will need a restart
[04:38] <GazzaK> Hestia: it's a work laptop, I don't care :p
[04:39] <GazzaK> Hestia: it's a great ram tester though
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Adam_eM: did i write that?  i meant universe.  well, both really
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> Adam_eM: You can save files (because the live cd uses unionfs)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> !tell Adam_eM about repos
[04:39] <Hestia> lol gazzak well that's one way of looking at it
[04:39] <h3sp4wn> Adam_eM: But getting composite working on the live cd would be non trivial
[04:40] <h3sp4wn> Adam_eM: You mean XGL / compiz? try an xgl live cd if you just want to see what its like
[04:41] <Adam_eM> h3sp4wn: no i meant the standard kde extensions
[04:41] <GazzaK> theres a xgl live cd?
[04:41] <Adam_eM> just as transparency, alpha blending etc
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> Gazzak: There is not a ubuntu one
[04:42] <Desh> I downlaoded the UT2004 Demo .run file. How do I install this?
[04:42] <shanky> hi, anyone can help me with a sata hd?
[04:42] <MasterEvilAce> Whta is compiz? alternative to XGL?
[04:43] <MasterEvilAce> !info compiz
[04:43] <shanky> I can see this in dmesg:
[04:43] <shanky> [4294673.534000]  sata_via 0000:00:0f.0: version 1.1
[04:43] <shanky> [4294673.534000]  sata_via 0000:00:0f.0: routed to hard irq line 9
[04:43] <shanky> [4294673.534000]  ata1: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE800 ctl 0xE402 bmdma 0xD400 irq 169
[04:43] <shanky> [4294673.534000]  ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0xE000 ctl 0xD802 bmdma 0xD408 irq 169
[04:43] <shanky> [4294678.560000]  scsi0 : sata_via
[04:43] <shanky> [4294678.761000]  scsi1 : sata_via
[04:43] <GazzaK> !pastebin
[04:43] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[04:43] <shanky> but there is no way to mount anythin
[04:43] <GazzaK> shanky: maybe pastebin would be handy?
[04:43] <shanky> sorry, I though it was only two lines
[04:43] <GazzaK> np
[04:44] <Adam_eM> can i install my native localization using a livecd ?
[04:45] <Desh> Hmm, whenever I click menus now, with fglrx, there is a horizontal like under my mouse cursor...anyone know how I can make it go away?
[04:46] <Adam_eM> MasterEvilAce: talking about suse... i've got the kubuntu livecd (just livecd) and i'm sure that it will be faster when i would install it (i mean faster than suse)
[04:47] <MasterEvilAce> Shame for Suse, really
[04:48] <Adam_eM> yast is really slowing suse down
[04:49] <Adam_eM> could anyone tell me if the eagle-usb driver package is included on the cd ?
[04:51] <Hestia> you don't like Yast adam,?  I don't think that yast is a negative feature of suse
[04:51] <MasterEvilAce> i'll ask these again for anyone incase someone knows an answer:  when i go to logout, my screen goes black and white, but it does it very slowly (huge resolution/old computer).. anyway to speed this up or disable it?        and My windows shares are Writable from other computers, but not my linux computer. Windows can read/right to linux, but linux can only read from windows (despite being anonymous and writable)
[04:52] <Adam_eM> Hestia: i didn't say that... i like it, i just find it's very slow
[04:52] <Hestia> slow? like in connecting to obtain updates?
[04:53] <Hestia> just a matter of switching to another server (source) the default ftp.suse.com is veryyyyy slow
[04:53] <Adam_eM> Hestia: right... or during software installation
[04:54] <MasterEvilAce> I installed Suse from an FTP install.. talk about slow
[04:54] <GazzaK> MasterEvilAce: are the windows shares ntfs?
[04:54] <corey> MasterE do a GTK login w/ no graphics
[04:54] <MasterEvilAce> GazzaK: yes..
[04:54] <GazzaK> ubuntu cannot write to ntfs
[04:54] <corey> thatll be about as fast as u can get
[04:54] <Hestia> Adam_eM, I didn't notice any speed problems with installing stuff from yast
[04:55] <MasterEvilAce> GazzaK: i was under the impression that linux just sends the data over, and that windows actually does the writing
[04:55] <GazzaK> ahhhh, are these shares on a different machine?
[04:55] <Adam_eM> i was using smart to do so, it's faster
[04:55] <MasterEvilAce> GazzaK: ah, yes
[04:55] <GazzaK> oh, oops
[04:55] <Adam_eM> so could anyone take a look at the cd contents please ?
[04:56] <Adam_eM> i'm looking for the eagle-usb package... i
[04:56] <MasterEvilAce> Adam: sure, what am i looking for
[04:56] <Adam_eM> i
[04:56] <Adam_eM> sorry
[04:56] <Adam_eM> i've got an usb modem (at home) which i'd like to be installed automatically...
[04:58] <Adam_eM> so it would be nice to see the package included
[04:58] <MasterEvilAce> Adam_eM: i did a search for "eagle" on the cd, and nothing
[04:59] <MasterEvilAce> would it maybe be in an archive?
[04:59] <Adam_eM> might be
[05:01] <MasterEvilAce> there's a 500+ MB file.. if it's on the CD.. it's in there.. heh
[05:01] <MasterEvilAce> doubt i'll be able to check inside that
[05:01] <martinjh99> Afternoon all - Which one of the types of ISO file is the one with the standard text installer?
[05:02] <GazzaK> it is called the alternative text installer
[05:02] <GazzaK> not the desktop cd
[05:02] <martinjh99> Thought so - Just making sure though ;)
[05:02] <Adam_eM> MasterEvilAce: ok don't bother then, i can cope it... somehow :)
[05:02] <GazzaK> going for the dapper one?
[05:03] <martinjh99> Thanks - Yup going for the Dapper one...
[05:03] <MasterEvilAce> mating call
[05:03] <MasterEvilAce> KUUUUBUNTTUUUUU
[05:04] <GazzaK> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/ the "PC (Intel x86) alternate install CDPC (Intel x86) alternate install CD" is what you want
[05:04] <martinjh99> I have had Dapper installed since about Flight 6 but there seems to be a kernel or udev/hal bug thats stopping it from booting so am going to try the latest rc
[05:04] <GazzaK> it worked well fo me
[05:04] <martinjh99> Gazzak is that Kubuntu though?? ;)
[05:04] <GazzaK> yes
[05:05] <MasterEvilAce> KUUUUBUNTUUUU
[05:05] <GazzaK> you okay MasterEvilAce :p
[05:05] <martinjh99> :) Ta!  Downloading the Gnome one at the moment...
[05:05] <MasterEvilAce> GazzaK: of course
[05:05] <martinjh99> No worries only takes half an hour for a CD to download...
[05:05] <MasterEvilAce> ew gnome
[05:06] <MasterEvilAce> I hate gnomes. especially the ones that live in your yard
[05:06] <GazzaK> I got the gnome one, the kde one, both live cd's and ext mode install cd's - Have to say the install fromt he live cd works fine
[05:06] <EvilIdler> I've had the udev/root mounting bug myself. Did anyone here have it in Dapper and get it fixed with a recent update?
[05:06] <martinjh99> Not keen on Gnome myself either - Don't like the way you can't customize it as much as KDE...
[05:06] <GazzaK> nah, gnomes are cute, and make great target practice for the air gun
[05:06] <GazzaK> but pixys are better
[05:07] <martinjh99> Hehe
[05:07] <MasterEvilAce> Is there a way to run a windows registry file in wine? wine blah.reg will that work correctly?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: check the wine documentation for that
[05:07] <Hobbsee> !+wine
[05:07] <ubotu> Wine is a compatibility layer for running windows programs on linux. Get the latest .deb from http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/binary/ or see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wine for more info.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> or #winehq i think
[05:07] <martinjh99> EvilIdler> I thought I had but when I came to boot today it didn't work again...
[05:08] <EvilIdler> martinjh99: Argh. It's the only thing stopping me from upgrading. Dapper works on the server, but not on this workstation :/
[05:08] <goldenear> Hobbsee: Do you know what's the issue with Wine and AMD64 ?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> goldenear: not a clue, i dont deal in AMD64
[05:09] <GazzaK> right be right back...
[05:09] <martinjh99> Am going to try the Latest RC and see what happens...
[05:09] <EvilIdler> I think there's a pseudo-FAQ somewhere about why WineHQ hasn't done AMD64 yet
[05:09] <EvilIdler> I can imagine it's a nightmare :)
[05:11] <goldenear> ok
[05:11] <Adam_eM> oh, another question here. Is there a possibility to install legacy nvidia gpu on ubuntu ? (i had problems with it on suse - 2.6.16 kernel)
[05:12] <EvilIdler> Yes, there are legacy driver packages
[05:12] <EvilIdler> Search for 'legacy' in your package manager
[05:13] <Adam_eM> great
[05:14] <martinjh99> Laters all
[05:15] <XVampireX> If I'm in a middle of a game, and for some stupid reason it freezes (Doesn't do anything in game as well as it won't let me get out except ctrl-alt-backspace) how can I force exit it?
[05:15] <corey> alt f4?
[05:15] <EvilIdler> Or log in remotely?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: ctrl+escape
[05:16] <corey> or pull the power cord
[05:16] <XVampireX> alt-f4 doesn't work :P
[05:16] <corey> does for me
[05:16] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: or alt+f2, xkill, click on offending app
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ctrl+escape is the shortcut for xkill, usually
[05:17] <NickGarvey> whats the kde version of gksudo?
[05:17] <jpatrick> kdesu
[05:17] <NickGarvey> thank you
[05:17] <jpatrick> welcome
[05:18] <XVampireX> lol
[05:18] <XVampireX> I did a little oopsie :P
[05:19] <jpatrick> XVampireX: woah
[05:19] <XVampireX> meh, brb
[05:20] <stamen81> hi
[05:20] <stamen81>  how to unmount a network place in Remote places ?
[05:23] <uwo> n1 with a thinkpad+dapper who could help with suspend/hibernate. in forums most ppl have problems with it not waking up, mine doesn't sleep at all....laptop support says it should work
[05:23] <coreymon77> hi guys
[05:23] <VincentMX> hi
[05:23] <stamen81> so nobody knows how to unmount the network place?
[05:23] <stamen81> 
[05:24] <VincentMX> anybody tried the release candidate?
[05:24] <coreymon77> vincent i have
[05:24] <NickGarvey> VincentMX: not for kubuntu
[05:24] <VincentMX> is it a bit stable?
[05:24] <PyroMithrandir> I'm on it
[05:24] <coreymon77> its great
[05:24] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, it's stable
[05:24] <NickGarvey> I'm running kde on ubuntu though
[05:24] <VincentMX> can ok
[05:24] <NickGarvey> its running perfectly
[05:24] <coreymon77> nick, why
[05:24] <PyroMithrandir> I just got it through apt-get though
[05:24] <coreymon77> use ku
[05:24] <coreymon77> its better
[05:24] <VincentMX> ok<
[05:24] <NickGarvey> whats the difference?
[05:24] <stamen81> tell me how to enable then the Open GL for NVIDIA
[05:25] <coreymon77> ku is made especiallly for kde
[05:25] <stamen81> I have installed the glx, but direct rendering doesn't work
[05:25] <NickGarvey> so is aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ;)
[05:25] <NickGarvey> I like a little variety in my desktop environments
[05:25] <coreymon77> aptitude?
[05:25] <NickGarvey> I'll be trying to get e17 working and such
[05:26] <NickGarvey> apt-get with bonuses heh
[05:26] <coreymon77> is that like some cheapass ripoff of apt
[05:26] <NickGarvey> aptitude - high-level interface to the package manager
[05:26] <NickGarvey> I guess?
[05:26] <NickGarvey> it comes default
[05:26] <coreymon77> its a cheapass gnome ripoff of apt
[05:27] <VincentMX> its not gnome
[05:27] <VincentMX> Synaptic is gnome
[05:27] <VincentMX> aptiude is console
[05:27] <coreymon77> synaptic is the kpakage equiv
[05:27] <VincentMX> you can just run it from xterm, or Konsole
[05:28] <coreymon77> i never use kpkg anyways
[05:28] <coreymon77> apt is better\
[05:28] <VincentMX> yes
[05:28] <VincentMX> i always use apt-cache and apt-get
[05:28] <coreymon77> oh
[05:28] <NickGarvey> I don't really know how to use synaptic..
[05:28] <coreymon77> so it is regualr apt
[05:28] <NickGarvey> yes coreymon77
[05:28] <coreymon77> alright
[05:29] <NickGarvey> its not a gnome rip off of anything ;)
[05:29] <h3sp4wn> aptitude is better at handling dependancies than apt-cache / apt-get
[05:29] <coreymon77> who cares
[05:29] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: heh bad mood today?
[05:29] <MasterEvilAce> I feel so stupid now. I just spent 5 minutes trying to help someone just to realize I was in #fedora, and that what i said has no relevance
[05:29] <NickGarvey> heh it happens
[05:29] <coreymon77> all i need is just to get the programs i wnat
[05:30] <coreymon77> nick ya im in a very bad mood
[05:30] <coreymon77> my parents are forcing me to use windows
[05:30] <coreymon77> or else they'll take away my computer
[05:30] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: eww.  why?
[05:30] <MasterEvilAce> LOL
[05:30] <MasterEvilAce> LOL
[05:30] <VincentMX> then you could set up a linux media center
[05:30] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: well, better get the qemu running
[05:30] <jpatrick> coreymon77: ownage
[05:31] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: although there was one distro that was designed to look as close to windows as possible
[05:31] <NickGarvey> don't remember the name
[05:31] <MasterEvilAce> Lindows?
[05:31] <jpatrick> Linspire
[05:31] <coreymon77> i need to do school work and for some reason they think that it will work better if i use oppenoffice in windows than if i use it in kubuntu
[05:31] <PyroMithrandir> well, you can mod KDE enough that you could get it to look pretty similar
[05:31] <VincentMX> no linspire looks like kde
[05:31] <VincentMX> yes
[05:31] <NickGarvey> no no thats not it
[05:31] <coreymon77> pyro
[05:32] <NickGarvey> it wasn't a popular distro
[05:32] <coreymon77> that defeats the whole purpose
[05:32] <XVampireX> linspire is based on KDE
[05:32] <VincentMX> or use XPde, or icewm
[05:32] <coreymon77> i dont want it to look like windows
[05:32] <coreymon77> whats xpde
[05:32] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[05:32] <coreymon77> or icewrm
[05:32] <corey> is there a disk format thats fully readable/writable by both linux and windows?
[05:32] <coreymon77> fat 32
[05:32] <corey> besides that
[05:32] <coreymon77> fat
[05:33] <corey> besides that ;P
[05:33] <coreymon77> well
[05:33] <corey> i have filesize issues with fat
[05:33] <coreymon77> dapper has a bit of ntfs write support
[05:33] <coreymon77> and full read
[05:33] <corey> yea but not too stable
[05:33] <VincentMX> coreymon77, XPde and IceWM look like Windows
[05:33] <NickGarvey> windows can read ext2/3
[05:33] <NickGarvey> read write ext2/3
[05:33] <NickGarvey> it can read reiser
[05:33] <VincentMX> XPde looks a lot like WinXP
[05:33] <NickGarvey> after you get the drivers
[05:34] <corey> really?
[05:34] <corey> is it stable though
[05:34] <NickGarvey> is what stable?
[05:34] <coreymon77> vincent: again, that defeats the entire purpose
[05:34] <NickGarvey> the read write of ext2/3?
[05:34] <corey> windows write to ext
[05:34] <VincentMX> http://www.xpde.com/
[05:34] <NickGarvey> I have never had a problem with it
[05:34] <coreymon77> i dont want it to  look like windows
[05:34] <corey> bleh
[05:34] <NickGarvey> !fsdrivers
[05:34] <ubotu> Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, NickGarvey
[05:34] <NickGarvey> damn
[05:34] <corey> im going to have to enable ntfs support on here i guess
[05:34] <MasterEvilAce> LOL @ looking like windows side bits
[05:35] <coreymon77> it scares me when linux looks like windows
[05:35] <corey> so i can mvoe all the contents on the disk to this one so i can format it
[05:35] <NickGarvey> !e2fs
[05:35] <ubotu> somebody said e2fs was A driver for windows  that will allow you to read EXT2 filesystems.  check here http://www.fs-driver.org/download.html
[05:35] <NickGarvey> !ext3
[05:35] <ubotu> somebody said ext3 was a filesystem that Linux can be installed on and can be read/written from Windows via http://www.fs-driver.org
[05:35] <NickGarvey> yeah, so there we go
[05:35] <coreymon77> ha! i love that
[05:35] <coreymon77> uBOTu
[05:35] <NickGarvey> !forget ext2win
[05:35] <ubotu> i forgot ext2win, NickGarvey
[05:35] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[05:36] <NickGarvey> that was a factoid I made but it was requested only 4 times, all by me
[05:36] <NickGarvey> extra bloat in the DB
[05:36] <corey> blah
[05:36] <corey> ill just boot to windows and copy data over
[05:36] <coreymon77> no
[05:36] <NickGarvey> xpde was it!
[05:36] <coreymon77> pointlesxs
[05:36] <corey> why?
[05:36] <corey> i dont wanna set up ntfs support on here just so i can move the files off disk and format drive to fat
[05:37] <corey> when i can go to windows and just move it
[05:37] <coreymon77> you can take copy stuff from an ntfs drive to linuix
[05:37] <NickGarvey> I almost want to set it up to see what it looks like
[05:37] <Techno_2> I have installed, mkinitrd, but it is not a recognised command when I type it into a shell. What can I do to sovle this?
[05:37] <corey> i could
[05:37] <coreymon77> just not the other way around very well
[05:37] <coreymon77> i do that all the time
[05:37] <corey> whats file size limit on fat32
[05:37] <corey> its around 2gb isnt it
[05:37] <coreymon77> or what i do aswell
[05:38] <coreymon77> corey, are you using 2 different drives
[05:38] <corey> yes
[05:38] <coreymon77> well
[05:38] <corey> my laptops drive and the drive in question is the USB hard drive
[05:38] <corey> its currently NTFS and i need to make it writable by linux
[05:38] <corey> so i gotta copy all files off and then format to ext or fat32
[05:39] <coreymon77> cut off a small partition from one of them, (1.1.5 gigs should be all you need) format it as fat32 and use it as a storage drive that you can transfer files to and from each op system
[05:39] <nixternal> Techno_2: locate the directory of mkinitrd...the goto /usr/bin and type>  sudo ln -s /dir/where/mkinitrd/bin_file/is_located
[05:39] <corey> yea well the thing is
[05:40] <corey> theres like
[05:40] <corey> 20~GB of files on the drive
[05:40] <Techno_2> nixternal: Thanks
[05:40] <nixternal> no problem
[05:40] <coreymon77> you need all of those files?
[05:40] <corey> yep
[05:40] <corey> most
[05:40] <coreymon77> well then
[05:41] <coreymon77> mount your ntfs drive and just start copying crap
[05:41] <corey> /dev/sda1             150G  100G   50G  67% /media/B&S Drive
[05:42] <corey> BUT 90gb of that i dont need
[05:42] <NickGarvey> give to me
[05:42] <corey> so i guess i only got 10GB
[05:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I wish I only had so gig of files... I am transfering 400 gig to another pc as we speak
[05:42] <corey> 90gb of that is shows :P
[05:42] <NickGarvey> ..show offs
[05:42] <NickGarvey> I have 40 gigs
[05:42] <NickGarvey> and 3 gigs in usb drives heh
[05:42] <corey> i got this 200gb external for like...$80
[05:42] <coreymon77> you know what linux distro really really REALLY scares me
[05:42] <coreymon77> redomend linux
[05:42] <coreymon77> redmond*
[05:42] <NickGarvey> yeah I saw a 300gb external for 120 or something
[05:43] <coreymon77> during a time that i was testing out different linuxes
[05:43] <corey> i got 17GB free on /
[05:43] <corey> so i casn copy it all over
[05:43] <coreymon77> i tried redmond once
[05:43] <coreymon77> or no, it was called xandros
[05:43] <NickGarvey> there we go
[05:43] <NickGarvey> redmond wasn't even on distrowatch
[05:44] <coreymon77> the first time i booted this xandros distro
[05:44] <coreymon77> i litrerally ran away from my computer screaming
[05:44] <ctothej> why
[05:44] <Jack_Sparrow> I fell asleep booting Kubuntu
[05:45] <Techno_2> nixternal: It doesn't appear to be installed, and I can't find it in synaptic manager. How do I get it?
[05:45] <NickGarvey> I fell asleep right after I hit yes for aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[05:45] <coreymon77> it looked 100% *E-X-A-C-T-L-Y*  like windows
[05:45] <NickGarvey> woke up in the morning, and hurray
[05:45] <coreymon77> and i mean EXACTLY!
[05:45] <ctothej> ohhh
[05:45] <coreymon77> EVERYTHIN
[05:45] <Techno_2> Coreymon77: Wake up :P
[05:45] <coreymon77> the desektop had the start menu instead of the kmenu
[05:46] <Jack_Sparrow> THe live cd dosent look like that?
[05:46] <coreymon77> the file manager looked exactly like explorer
[05:46] <coreymon77> the login screen was exactly the same as xps welcome screen
[05:46] <NickGarvey> crazy
[05:46] <ctothej> what graphics environment was it using?
[05:46] <Hestia> that's the idea coreymon77 so as not to scare off the windoze users
[05:47] <Jack_Sparrow> Can I get a live kubuntu to look that way
[05:47] <ctothej> or window manager rather
[05:47] <coreymon77> and i think they even went so far as to make konquerors icon look like ie's
[05:47] <ctothej> it was kde?
[05:47] <coreymon77> yup
[05:47] <coreymon77> more like wde though
[05:47] <ctothej> heh
[05:48] <coreymon77> im noit kidding
[05:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Whick Kubuntu "Install" version is like that?
[05:48] <Techno_2> What si xandros like?
[05:48] <Techno_2> is*
[05:48] <NickGarvey> Jack_Sparrow: like what?
[05:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Like xp
[05:48] <Techno_2> Is it as crashy and buggy as xp :P
[05:48] <coreymon77> i ran away from my computer yelling and screaming "take it away!!! make it stop!!! please someone make is stop!!!"
[05:49] <coreymon77> and im being 100% dead serious
[05:49] <Jack_Sparrow> Would still like to see it
[05:49] <Techno_2> Corey: Are you sure you wern't dreaming?
[05:49] <Techno_2> Me too
[05:49] <coreymon77> no
[05:49] <Hestia> Jack_Sparrow go to control center> appearence and themes and change everything to redmond
[05:49] <coreymon77> my bro was with me
[05:49] <coreymon77> he can tell you about it aswell
[05:49] <Techno_2> Corey: Did you make sure you low level formated your hard disk?
[05:50] <coreymon77> copied fro the xandros website
[05:50] <coreymon77> The Xandros Desktop OS products are built with the Windows user in mind. The look and feel is immediately familiar, which means you can use Xandros the same way you use Windows.
[05:51] <GazzaK> coreymon77: sure it wasn't dual booting with windows?
[05:51] <coreymon77> no
[05:51] <coreymon77> what i just said is copied directly form the xandros site
[05:51] <coreymon77> The Xandros Desktop OS products are built with the Windows user in mind. The look and feel is immediately familiar, which means you can use Xandros the same way you use Windows.
[05:52] <Techno_2> Actually, this might be advantageous. It could encourage windows users to use linux
[05:52] <Techno_2> (And lead them down the path of righteseouness)
[05:52] <nico8481> can you modify the icon size in konqueror, but only for a specific directory?
[05:53] <coreymon77> look at the screen
[05:53] <coreymon77> s
[05:53] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopdlx/dsk_dlx_screenshots.html
[05:53] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopstd/dsk_std_screenshots.html
[05:53] <Techno_2> *vomits*
[05:53] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/products/business/desktop/dsk_bus_screenshots.html
[05:53] <coreymon77> oh ya
[05:53] <coreymon77> and i think you have to pay for it aswell
[05:53] <coreymon77> look at those screens and you will see why i was scared
[05:54] <Techno_2> Nah, you can download it of bitorrent
[05:54] <nico8481> example i'd like to use medium-sized icons everywhere but in my music folder, where i'd rather have huge ones
[05:54] <Techno_2> It makes a mockery of linux, trying to sell it
[05:54] <Techno_2> Xandro$
[05:54] <PyroMithrandir> nico8481, I think if you change the icon size, it changes for all folders
[05:54] <coreymon77> everyone look at those screenshots
[05:55] <PyroMithrandir> I might be wrong, though
[05:55] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopdlx/dsk_dlx_screenshots.html
[05:55] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/products/home/desktopstd/dsk_std_screenshots.html
[05:55] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/products/business/desktop/dsk_bus_screenshots.html
[05:55] <PyroMithrandir> coreymon77, yeah, you pasted them already
[05:55] <PyroMithrandir> you don't have to paste them again
[05:55] <Techno_2> Defaintely not again :P
[05:55] <nico8481> PyroMithrandir: that's what i think too... but since there seems to be a way to customize folders through the use of a hidden file, maybe you can put something in it to customize its size or i don't know...
[05:56] <coreymon77> i thnk you get my point now
[05:56] <coreymon77> right
[05:56] <PyroMithrandir> yeah, well, google it, and see if that shows you anything like that
[05:56] <PyroMithrandir> but as is, I don't know a way to do it
[05:57] <Techno_2> Where do I get mkinitrd from? I can't fidn the package anywhere
[05:57] <GazzaK> coreymon77: thats kinda cool
[05:57] <coreymon77> why
[05:58] <Techno_2> It is kinda
[05:58] <Techno_2> I would like a windows like linux
[05:58] <Techno_2> So long as I still have a terminal
[05:58] <Techno_2> :D
[05:58] <coreymon77> i think that defeats the purpose for me
[05:58] <Techno_2> I don't like the way they are selling it
[05:58] <coreymon77> one of the reaons i use linux is to get me away from doze
[05:59] <coreymon77> next computer i get would probably be a mac laptop
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> I think you should be able to sell it if you are providing support and complying with the terms of the GPL
[05:59] <coreymon77> then i wouldnt use linux
[06:00] <Techno_2> I think linux should always remain free and that support shouldn't cost you as much as windows does
[06:00] <coreymon77> p4wm, they are only providing support for 30-60 days
[06:00] <coreymon77> then you have to pay for it again
[06:00] <stodge> About to upgrade to dapper, but adept is telling me it wants to remove HAL. Is this correct?
[06:01] <GazzaK> coreymon77: My Mum will not use kubuntu as she says "it is too different" the might get her away from windows...
[06:01] <GazzaK> s/the/that
[06:01] <coreymon77> true gazzak
[06:01] <coreymon77> very true...
[06:01] <coreymon77> stodge: why not just use apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:02] <GazzaK> she is useless at updating virus checkers etc, so I want to get her to move
[06:02] <stodge> Isn't it the same as adept?
[06:02] <coreymon77> apt is console based and never gave me problems like that
[06:02] <stodge> apt-get dist-upgrade  tells me the same thing. It says HAL will be removed
[06:02] <coreymon77> oh
[06:03] <Adam_eM> hey i've just browsed through some osdir's kubuntu screenshots. and found that adept looks different on it (packages are divided into sections etc.) how can i do it here ?
[06:03] <coreymon77> gazzak: show your mom xandros
[06:03] <Techno_2> There should be a virus that transforms windows into linux :P
[06:03] <coreymon77> i mean xandro$
[06:03] <GazzaK> I might, but I want her to try kubuntu properly first, she last had a proper play on ubuntu
[06:03] <NickGarvey> stodge: I'd back up stuff you want, hit ok, and pray ;)
[06:04] <NickGarvey> HAL = hardware abstraction layer
[06:04] <NickGarvey> not sure.. why it wants to delete it
[06:04] <GazzaK> Techno_2: there is, it's called a live cd left in your dads laptop on purpose!
[06:05] <Techno_2> There's still windows on there, which means people could easily stray from the path of righteousness
[06:05] <coreymon77> gaz, she doesnt like ku becasue she says it looks to different right
[06:05] <NickGarvey> I could have SWORE I updated oo last nigth
[06:05] <NickGarvey> sworn*
[06:05] <Adam_eM> anyone saw what i wrote ?
[06:06] <tarmath> I saw that last line
[06:06] <coreymon77> so show he xandro$ and dare her to say that it looks to different
[06:06] <stodge> It wants to remove 49 packages
[06:06] <NickGarvey> I have no idea what adept is Adam_eM ;)
[06:06] <stodge> Including cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data dbus gstreamer0.8-jack hal hotplug hplip-base
[06:06] <riri> ?? ?
[06:07] <Adam_eM> NickGarvey:  it's a package manager in kubuntu
[06:07] <riri> Hi
[06:07] <NickGarvey> stodge: mm... I'd do a fresh install...
[06:07] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, what do you mean? can you show me the screenshot you're talking about?
[06:07] <NickGarvey> Adam_eM: oh okie
[06:07] <coreymon77> OH GOD1
[06:07] <coreymon77> !!!
[06:07] <ubotu> coreymon77: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:07] <riri> here is a problem with scim in chinese
[06:07] <PyroMithrandir> I know what adept is, i just don't know how you want it to look
[06:07] <coreymon77> i just saw something on the xandro$ website that scared me even more
[06:07] <riri> should be 3 pictogramms and not a "point"
[06:08] <coreymon77> it has micro$oft word installed on it...
[06:08] <coreymon77> ...BY DEFAULT!
[06:08] <NickGarvey> naw
[06:08] <ctothej> how so?
[06:08] <riri> hi im :)
[06:08] <NickGarvey> can't be right...
[06:08] <coreymon77> http://www.xandros.com/images/screenshots/v3/microsoft_word.png
[06:08] <riri> Hi nixternal
[06:08] <PyroMithrandir> with wine
[06:09] <Techno_2> coreymon77: *Pukes*
[06:09] <ctothej> wine can run Word?!
[06:09] <NickGarvey> really?
[06:09] <Techno_2> Just about
[06:09] <NickGarvey> whoa I need to try that
[06:09] <NickGarvey> if I can freaking get wine working
[06:09] <coreymon77> nick: dont do that
[06:09] <coreymon77> use ooo
[06:09] <NickGarvey> I know
[06:09] <VincentMX> yes
[06:09] <NickGarvey> I want to see if it works though
[06:09] <riri> im : nixt : thanks to you  and kubuntu my son got rid of xp and install kubuntu ! lol
[06:09] <VincentMX> OpenOffice rulez
[06:09] <coreymon77> i use ooo in doze anyways
[06:09] <VincentMX> or Koffice
[06:09] <NickGarvey> I like oo over koffice
[06:09] <PyroMithrandir> I'd try, but I don't have word installed on my windows partition :)
[06:10] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir: there's a file called oo-presenting-kubuntu in examples directory and there's one slide connecting to adept - that's what i mean
[06:10] <ctothej> Active directory! uhh
[06:10] <riri> wine can emulate word
[06:10] <riri> but why ?
[06:10] <coreymon77> guys, i dont think that was wine
[06:10] <Techno_2> What is ooo?
[06:10] <dipnlik> OpenOffice.org
[06:10] <riri> openoffice org
[06:10] <coreymon77> open office
[06:11] <Techno_2> Ah
[06:11] <Techno_2> Few
[06:11] <coreymon77> techno, did you see that screenshot
[06:11] <NickGarvey> its crossover office
[06:11] <coreymon77> oh ya, crossover
[06:11] <coreymon77> i know that
[06:11] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir: can you see it ?
[06:11] <riri> ican even emulate a crack keygen with wine ! lol
[06:11] <coreymon77> well then it prob has that installed by default
[06:12] <dipnlik> anyone here knows good monospaced fonts?
[06:12] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, let me find it, hang on
[06:12] <riri> a funy cracker made one for linux with windows ! lol
[06:12] <Techno_2> Corey: Yes
[06:12] <coreymon77> techno: is your nick registered with nickserv
[06:13] <Techno_2> Corey: Don't rub it in
[06:13] <Techno_2> Corey: Yes, as Techno, but I forgot my password
[06:13] <riri> lol
[06:13] <coreymon77> well then reregister this one
[06:13] <riri> don't set any pw
[06:13] <coreymon77> pms
[06:13] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir:  eight slide as far as i remember
[06:13] <dipnlik> i really wanted Bitstream Vera Sans Mono 9 looked as nice her as it is on Windows :S
[06:13] <Techno_2> Let me try guess my password
[06:14] <n3storm> can I install kubuntu with the former installer?
[06:14] <riri> is there any one using SCIM ?
[06:14] <ubuntu> I am trying out kubuntu... I was told you could make it look alot like xp .  I changed what I could find to redmond but can I change the K menu logo to Start ?
[06:14] <NickGarvey> Techno: john the ripper?
[06:14] <Techno> What?
[06:14] <Techno> john the ripper?
[06:14] <onewing> hello, im wondering how to change the click behavior to single click focus, next click open
[06:14] <riri> ask imbrandon ! lol
[06:14] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, I don't see it. is it in the shots of dapper or breezy?
[06:14] <stodge> Anyone running dapper kubuntu?
[06:14] <n3storm> ubuntu: have a look at http://kde-look.org
[06:14] <NickGarvey> Techno: password recovery tool for unix
[06:15] <NickGarvey> not sure how well it works
[06:15] <dipnlik> stodge: i am
[06:15] <riri> he showed me his yesterday and now i have a better look then xp itself
[06:15] <Techno> Ah
[06:15] <GazzaK> imbrandon: ping!!! :p
[06:15] <Techno> Nick: I meant password for this server
[06:15] <riri> im are you around ?
[06:15] <stodge> dipnlik: can you tell me if you have a package called HAL installed? (or hal lower case)
[06:15] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir: it's in the examles directory of dapper (on your desktop)
[06:16] <PyroMithrandir> http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=652&slide=23 <-- that?
[06:16] <coreymon77> techno
[06:16] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir: and also at osdir.com, but i can't open the gallery so as to be able to show you
[06:16] <coreymon77> did you figure out your password
[06:16] <Techno> Not yet
[06:16] <coreymon77> just reregister techno_2
[06:16] <dipnlik> stodge: lemme check on adept
[06:16] <Techno> Fine!
[06:17] <stodge> thanks
[06:17] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, it's the program adetp_installer
[06:17] <PyroMithrandir> adept_installer
[06:17] <coreymon77> if only so thatr nobody else can take it now
[06:17] <PyroMithrandir> if you go to the k menu > add/remove programs
[06:17] <Techno2> How do I register?
[06:17] <Techno2> gain? :P
[06:17] <dipnlik> stodge: installed
[06:17] <Techno2> again*
[06:17] <stodge> Hmmm
[06:18] <coreymon77> wait a sec, let me check
[06:18] <stodge> dipnlik: Did you upgrade from breezy? Or a fresh install?
[06:18] <dipnlik> stodge: fresh install of flight 6
[06:18] <n3storm> The Alternate install Cd uses the older installer? I don't want the live installation
[06:18] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir:  yeah that's just what i meant
[06:19] <n3storm> In fact I am at stage 5 of 6 for and hour or so
[06:19] <n3storm> in the live cd
[06:19] <stodge> Ah ok
[06:19] <stodge> Maybe I'll download the CD
[06:19] <n3storm> I want the old system
[06:19] <coreymon77> techno: /msg nickserv register <your-password>
[06:19] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, :) glad I could help
[06:19] <dipnlik> i want better monospaced fonts!
[06:20] <Techno2> Yay!
[06:20] <Techno2> Did you get my IM corey?
[06:20] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir: but it can ony manage already installed packages, or can I browse the repos just like adept does ?
[06:20] <coreymon77> nope
[06:20] <onewing> hello, im wondering how to change the click behavior to single click focus, next click open
[06:21] <Adam_eM> it could be a great way to install new software if it would work like that
[06:21] <dipnlik> onewing: lemme check
[06:21] <onewing> thanks
[06:22] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, looks to me like you can install things with it
[06:22] <Schlag> hellp
[06:22] <Schlag> hello*
[06:22] <PyroMithrandir> from the repos
[06:22] <PyroMithrandir> it doesn't seem to have as many packages, though
[06:23] <nixternal> riri: glad to hear you son decided to make the switch also
[06:23] <Schlag> do someone knows if i can make a maximized window in kde unresizable and unmovable?
[06:23] <Schlag> like in windows
[06:24] <Adam_eM> PyroMithrandir: strange, doesn't it use the same sources as adept then ?
[06:24] <PyroMithrandir> Adam_eM, I don't know. I would think that it would use the same sources, but I'm guessing it is just simplified, and not showing everything
[06:24] <ubuntu> I didnt mean to ignore anyone I was on that site looking at themes.. Thanks.. I will be back with questions about what to do with the file in a minute or two
[06:25] <dipnlik> onewing: kcontrol, peripherals, mouse
[06:25] <Adam_eM> ah i see
[06:25] <onewing> thanks
[06:25] <coreymon77> guys
[06:25] <dipnlik> onewing: maybe you can use system settings instead of kcontrol (but systemsettings is stupid)
[06:25] <Adam_eM> thanks a lot PyroMithrandir
[06:25] <coreymon77> anyone know how to get mkinitrd
[06:25] <PyroMithrandir> :)
[06:25] <ubuntu> Now that I have the theme rpm what do I do with it..?
[06:26] <Techno2> rpm :S
[06:26] <dipnlik> Schlag: yes you can. i don't remeber how but you can
[06:26] <dusty_> Hey guys Im running firefox v 1.0.8 - and when i load certain pages like documents in html format it doesn't display half the content? any ideas why and hoto fix this?
[06:27] <Schlag> i got help already. thanks anyway :)
[06:27] <Techno2> dusty_: Downlaoded the latest firefox?
[06:28] <coreymon77> dont you need alien for rpms in debian
[06:28] <dusty_> can I do that with apt-get?
[06:28] <dusty_> as i upgraded and dist-upgraded so i thought i got the latest stuff
[06:28] <NickGarvey> yes, to use rpms you need to use alien
[06:28] <NickGarvey> !ff1.5
[06:28] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[06:28] <dusty_> thanks
[06:28] <Techno2> Darn I downloaded mine and had to mess around with it
[06:28] <coreymon77> dusty: apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:28] <NickGarvey> dusty_: in like 4 days dapper is out though
[06:28] <NickGarvey> and it comes like that
[06:28] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: the one in the repos for breezy is 1.0 I believe
[06:29] <coreymon77> oh
[06:29] <dusty_> NickGarvey, cool!! Will it be possible to dist-upgrade to dapper?
[06:29] <PyroMithrandir> dusty_, yes
[06:29] <ubuntu> I appreciate the help and I will be back soon.  Got some honey do's to take care of..
[06:29] <coreymon77> dusty: you can dist-upgrade to dapper now
[06:29] <NickGarvey> dusty_: of course
[06:29] <riri> nixt :) sir I can't change my language fr with us which sticks on kde ?
[06:29] <PyroMithrandir> dusty_, that's what I've done
[06:29] <riri> lol
[06:29] <NickGarvey> dusty_: they said the most recent RC for dapper is stable for home use, so I would upgrade
[06:30] <dusty_> what you can upgrade to dapper now#/
[06:30] <dusty_> ?
[06:30] <NickGarvey> !upgrade
[06:30] <dusty_> omg
[06:30] <dusty_> wicked!
[06:30] <dusty_> thankyou guys!#
[06:30] <NickGarvey> !tell dusty_ about upgrade
[06:30] <riri> upgrade !!!
[06:30] <PyroMithrandir> I upgraded to dapper a long time ago :)
[06:30] <stodge> I tried to upgrade to dapper but it told me it wanted to remove HAL.
[06:31] <NickGarvey> stodge: I'd do a fresh install if things are breaking
[06:31] <NickGarvey> I usually do fresh installs for large upgrades
[06:31] <stodge> I'm downloading
[06:31] <NickGarvey> like 10.0 > 10.1
[06:31] <NickGarvey> for suse
[06:31] <stodge> 600k/s :)
[06:31] <NickGarvey> and breezy to dapper
[06:31] <NickGarvey> :)
[06:31] <NickGarvey> pretty fast
[06:32] <coreymon77> dusty: using apt-get dist-upgrade you can update to the dapper rc release
[06:32] <NickGarvey> dusty_: yeah, just need to edit your source.list like the link that ubotu sent you said
[06:33] <coreymon77> get the dapper repositories
[06:33] <coreymon77> thats what i did and it worked great
[06:33] <dergringo> When I am running something in fullscreen for example wesnoth or warzone, how I can I switch to desktop?
[06:33] <NickGarvey> dergringo: alt tab might go to another window
[06:33] <coreymon77> derg, usually just press escape
[06:33] <dergringo> NickGarvey: doesn't work
[06:33] <NickGarvey> dergringo: I have my keys set to the windows theme, so winkey d shows desktop
[06:34] <coreymon77> dergringo: try pressing escape
[06:34] <dergringo> NickGarvey: Yes I have windows keys setting, too but this doesn't work
[06:34] <Schlag> how do i install tar.gz packages in ubuntu?
[06:34] <dergringo> hmm coreymon77 let me do a try
[06:35] <Schlag> kubuntu*
[06:35] <_nano_> XVampireX: there?
[06:35] <aljoshanl> tar -zvxf <package>
[06:35] <aljoshanl> make
[06:35] <aljoshanl> make install
[06:35] <aljoshanl> no
[06:35] <dergringo> coreymon77: yes esc does the job but then I cannot switch back to game
[06:35] <aljoshanl> ./configue
[06:35] <aljoshanl> make
[06:35] <aljoshanl> make install
[06:35] <aljoshanl> use googel
[06:35] <Schlag> thanks :)
[06:35] <coreymon77> what do you mean
[06:35] <Schlag> i tried google
[06:36] <coreymon77> it closes the game?
[06:36] <dergringo> coreymon77: when I press escape I a back on the Desktop, yes it closes the game
[06:36] <coreymon77> oh
[06:39] <dipnlik> dergringo: try switching desktops
[06:39] <dergringo> dipnlik: hmm
[06:39] <dipnlik> dergringo: or alt enter to exit fullscreen
[06:42] <dipnlik> !fonts
[06:42] <ubotu> I heard fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[06:42] <XVampireX> _nano_: Yes
[06:42] <coreymon77> what do you want
[06:42] <coreymon77> true type fonts
[06:43] <dipnlik> coreymon77: good monospaced fonts
[06:44] <coreymon77> if so just type apt-get install msttcorefonts into konsole
[06:44] <coreymon77> do that and see if it gives you anything you want
[06:45] <dipnlik> coreymon77: no need for ms fonts, i love antialiased dejavu sans condensed even more than tahoma cleartype
[06:45] <coreymon77> alright
[06:46] <coreymon77> thats just my suggestion
[06:46] <dipnlik> coreymon77: msttcorefonts comes with any good monospaced font?
[06:46] <coreymon77> they are the truetype fonts
[06:47] <uwo> one more question -how do you call the screen that asks you for login with username and password?
[06:47] <NickGarvey> kdm
[06:47] <NickGarvey> uwo: "kdm"
[06:47] <coreymon77> uwo: login screen?
[06:47] <uwo> tnx
[06:47] <coreymon77> dip, try installing them and see if they give you anything you want
[06:48] <Techno2> g2g bye :)
[06:48] <dipnlik> coreymon77: k
[06:49] <coreymon77> i always like comic sans ms but thats just me
[06:50] <dipnlik> coreymon77: comic sans is not monospaced
[06:50] <coreymon77> oh
[06:50] <coreymon77> did you try installing them
[06:50] <coreymon77> ?
[06:51] <dipnlik> i know comic sans from windows :P
[06:52] <coreymon77> did you try installing msttcorefonts
[06:52] <dipnlik> know it enough to agree with http://www.bancomicsans.com/
[06:53] <EvilIdler> Blambot.com has a lot of free fonts
[06:54] <dipnlik> msttcorefonts only installs Courier New and Andale Mono, don't want them
[06:54] <dipnlik> EvilIdler: how do i install them?
[06:54] <coreymon77> no, it intalls lots of fonts
[06:54] <coreymon77> oh
[06:54] <dipnlik> coreymon77: the other are not monospaced
[06:54] <coreymon77> dip: try apt-cache search-ing them
[06:54] <EvilIdler> There should be a font howto somewhere
[06:54] <NickGarvey> !font
[06:54] <ubotu> hmm... font is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[06:55] <coreymon77> !fonts
[06:55] <ubotu> from memory, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FontInstallHowto
[06:55] <NickGarvey> :)
[06:55] <EvilIdler> That one :)
[06:55] <coreymon77> see what apt-cache search-ing what you want will give you
[06:55] <coreymon77> !hi
[06:55] <ubotu> coreymon77: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:56] <coreymon77> doesnt wor
[06:56] <coreymon77> k
[06:56] <dipnlik> reading and trying things there, thanks
[06:56] <coreymon77> i just love that uBOTu thing
[06:57] <NickGarvey> me and ubotu are good friends..
[06:57] <NickGarvey> !botsnack
[06:57] <ubotu> :)
[06:57] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[06:58] <NickGarvey> he doesn't love you
[06:58] <Schlag> scooby snack
[06:58] <coreymon77> ?
[06:58] <Schlag> !
[06:58] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Schlag
[06:58] <NickGarvey> !hi
[06:58] <Schlag> !porno
[06:58] <ubotu> NickGarvey: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:58] <ubotu> Schlag: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:58] <Schlag> haha
[06:58] <NickGarvey> haha I bet you do wish you knew
[06:59] <Schlag> the bot is pornaholic :D
[07:01] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[07:01] <ubotu> thanks coreymon77 :)
[07:01] <coreymon77> ha
[07:02] <coreymon77> whos ubugtu
[07:02] <NickGarvey> @chuck
[07:02] <uwo> managed the kdm theme - how do i change the splash screen?
[07:02] <aljoshanl> dunno. hes always online
[07:02] <NickGarvey> hmm..
[07:02] <NickGarvey> hes a bot oo
[07:03] <aljoshanl> i like him a lo ^_^
[07:03] <aljoshanl> t
[07:03] <aljoshanl> it *
[07:03] <minimouse> hello, please i need some help with software raid on kubuntu. kubuntu installer doens't recognize the hard drive at all (partitioner doesn't show any disks or partitions). laptop is toshiba portege S100 with 80GB RAID0 hard drive. Matter is very urgent.
[07:04] <NickGarvey> minimouse: does your bios show it?
[07:04] <minimouse> yes
[07:05] <NickGarvey> minimouse: whats fdisk -l show
[07:05] <minimouse> i have installed winxp and had to install raid driver for the winxp installer to see the disk as well
[07:05] <NickGarvey> !raid
[07:05] <ubotu> hmm... raid is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaidConfigurationHowto
[07:07] <corey> how can i set a partition to be fully accessible for myself?
[07:07] <minimouse> ok the link is useful only if you have already installed ubuntu on the machine and want to make use of the raid
[07:07] <minimouse> but my problem is that i can't get the installer to even see the drive
[07:08] <NickGarvey> minimouse: using the live cd?
[07:08] <minimouse> plus, i found a very useful page on how to install dmraid using the Live cd but i got to another problem. when the live session begins, i only see a brown background and teh mouse cursor. nothing else. i can't even open a terminal with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[07:09] <NickGarvey> minimouse: are you doing a dapper or breezy install?
[07:09] <minimouse> breezy i have the original cds
[07:09] <NickGarvey> ah
[07:09] <NickGarvey> no idea then, with dapper teh live cd is also an install cd
[07:09] <NickGarvey> so you can set everything up
[07:09] <corey> i made an ext3 partition yet now i dont have permissions to access it
[07:09] <minimouse> if you could help me fix the live cd problem?
[07:09] <minimouse> i'm also downloading the dapper dvd now :/
[07:10] <minimouse> i also tried to boot the live cd with vga=771 but didn't make any difference
[07:11] <NickGarvey> dvd?
[07:11] <minimouse> yep
[07:11] <minimouse> http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[07:11] <NickGarvey> the live cd for breezy I needed to pass boot options "expert noapic nolapic vga=771"
[07:12] <NickGarvey> worked with defaults for dapper
[07:12] <NickGarvey> oh sweet, whats the difference?
[07:12] <frank_> corey: make a directory in the partition you created like   sudo mkdir /media/partitionname/username  then sudo chown username:username /media/partitionname/username
[07:13] <minimouse> i have a geforce Go 6200 and apparently it doesn't like it !
[07:13] <Schlag> give it to me
[07:14] <luksan> how do i get 32-bit compatibility versions of libXcursor and libXft?
[07:15] <corey> frank_, that didnt do anything
[07:16] <frank_> corey the directory should be accessible to your userr
[07:16] <ubuntu> hola
[07:16] <corey> it didnt even make a directory
[07:16] <frank_> corey where is the partition mounted?
[07:17] <corey> it says it exists but i cant see it
[07:17] <corey> its an external hdd: /media/NixBS
[07:17] <corey> i want the whole drive to be freely accessible by me
[07:17] <corey> well, the whole computer
[07:18] <frank_> corey: what does ls -l /media/NixBS give?
[07:18] <corey> permission denied
[07:19] <frank_> corey ok...   how about ls -l /media
[07:20] <corey> d-wx--x--x  3 root  root  4096 2006-05-27 12:19 NixBS
[07:20] <frank_> corey did you remove read access?
[07:21] <corey> nope
[07:21] <corey> i just formattedit
[07:21] <corey> theres nothing on it at all
[07:21] <frank_> corey go in system settings -> File and Disk managemetn
[07:22] <corey> er, im on unbuntu right now
[07:22] <corey> i think i got it one sec
[07:22] <frank_> corey: ok. what is the corresponding line in /etc/fstab ?
[07:23] <corey> ugh, disk manager doesnt let me change permissions
[07:23] <coreymon77> corey, open it as root
[07:24] <coreymon77> sudo diskmanager or someting like that
[07:24] <frank_> coreymon77: root doesn't have read access on it
[07:24] <coreymon77> root can do anything though
[07:24] <corey> im not on kubuntu right now
[07:24] <frank_> corey: ok. what is the corresponding line in /etc/fstab ?
[07:24] <corey> i dont see a place to change permissions in the g version
[07:25] <corey> /dev/sda        /media/usb0     auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[07:25] <corey> thats the whole hdd, theres 3 partitions of different filesystems on there
[07:25] <notbb> hello everyone
[07:26] <NickGarvey> holla
[07:26] <NickGarvey> hello*
[07:26] <NickGarvey> heh, funny how off centered fingers make you talk spanish
[07:26] <frank_> corey: don't you have one line per partition?
[07:26] <|brad|> i have one grip about kubuntu.... its not nearly as fast as slackware was. i dont what the deal is
[07:26] <notbb> i just installed the latest dapper drake on a laptop and i have a problem with my wireless card
[07:26] <corey> nope
[07:26] <notbb> it's a netgear wg511t which should work out of the box with dapper ..
[07:26] <corey> its a USB drive
[07:26] <NickGarvey> |brad|: slack is minimalist at install I believe, that would make sense
[07:27] <NickGarvey> gentoo was crazy fast, everything cept installing software ;)
[07:27] <|brad|> NickGarvey: it installs more then kubuntu does
[07:27] <notbb> lspci shows it is recognized but how do i insert my wpa-psk keyword ?
[07:27] <frank_> corey: how did you create the partition and how did you mount it?
[07:28] <corey> it was made in windows, and it was auto mounted
[07:28] <corey> since its usb
[07:28] <NickGarvey> doesn't run as much then?
[07:28] <NickGarvey> not sure never used slack
[07:28] <NickGarvey> I know it was very stable and good on old hardware
[07:28] <frank_> corey: how did you format ext3 in windows?
[07:28] <corey> partition magic
[07:29] <NickGarvey> thats like 50 dollars right?
[07:29] <corey> nah ;)
[07:29] <_nano_> 70 dollars :|
[07:29] <coreymon77> nick: ever heard of bittorrent
[07:29] <_nano_> 69.99 :|
[07:29] <NickGarvey> ouch
[07:29] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: of course
[07:29] <coreymon77> well
[07:29] <coreymon77> theres you answer
[07:29] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: do all downloads > 200 MBs that way if Ic an
[07:29] <|brad|> yea i loved slack but it wasnt that great with new hardware. i got a new system and wanted to take advantage of the new hardware. and package management sucks
[07:29] <NickGarvey> coreymon77: I asked a question?
[07:30] <coreymon77> you dont have to pay for partition magic
[07:30] <NickGarvey> I don't pirate
[07:30] <coreymon77> if you know what i maen
[07:30] <coreymon77> mean
[07:30] <coreymon77> does that include getting serial number
[07:30] <_nano_> rofl
[07:30] <frank_> corey: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[07:30] <NickGarvey> I don't use commercial software that I haven't paid for
[07:31] <_nano_> but partition magic is damn overpriced
[07:31] <NickGarvey> yes it is
[07:31] <NickGarvey> which is why I don't use it
[07:31] <coreymon77> corey, did you pay for it
[07:31] <corey> nope
[07:31] <NickGarvey> gparted gets the job done
[07:31] <coreymon77> did what i would do right?
[07:31] <corey> frank_,  what about it?
[07:31] <corey> right
[07:31] <_nano_> NickGarvey: there are some things that qparted can't do....like converting NTFS to FAT32 and vice versa
[07:31] <frank_> corey: do you see the ext partion?
[07:31] <coreymon77> corey, is your name registered with nickserv
[07:32] <NickGarvey> oh thats cool
[07:32] <corey> nope
[07:32] <corey> :(
[07:32] <coreymon77> do it
[07:32] <coreymon77> i want to talk to you
[07:32] <corey> i cant some bitch has it
[07:32] <frank_> corey: what do you get as output?
[07:32] <coreymon77> register something
[07:32] <_nano_> prolly coreymon77 needs the serial number :P
[07:32] <uscg_corey> there
[07:32] <coreymon77> i want to talk to you in a pm
[07:32] <uscg_corey> ok
[07:33] <coreymon77> alrguht
[07:33] <uscg_corey> /dev/sda5               2       13038   104719671   83  Linux
[07:33] <Sweet_kate> hello!!
[07:33] <uscg_corey> HELLO!
[07:34] <Sweet_kate> how can i "load" my printer on kubuntu now  that i have started the pc with it turned off??
[07:34] <Prak> is nixternal here?
[07:34] <_nano_> Sweet_kate: you can use the "add printer" dialog?
[07:35] <Sweet_kate> yes my printer is already in the list
[07:35] <Sweet_kate> !!
[07:35] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Sweet_kate
[07:35] <coreymon77> kate: one tip, dont start you computer with your printer turned off
[07:35] <coreymon77> i always keep mine on
[07:36] <_nano_> coreymon77: i thought the HAL backend should take care that :-?
[07:37] <frank_> uscg_corey: /dev/sda5        /media/NixBS     ext    defaults  0       0       this should work but may not be the best solution for a removable drive
[07:37] <coreymon77> dunno
[07:37] <coreymon77> i just always keep mine on
[07:38] <slow-motion> bbl
[07:38] <uscg_corey> if i just formatted it in linux would it work?
[07:38] <uscg_corey> since theres no data on it right now
[07:40] <frank_> uscg_corey: it should work but maybe the automount is not working.     try sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/MixBS
[07:40] <coreymon77> !botsnack
[07:40] <ubotu> :)
[07:40] <uscg_corey> says its already mounted
[07:41] <Prak> during kubuntu dapper flight installation, it still can't detect my DHCP network
[07:41] <NickGarvey> Prak: ethernet?
[07:41] <Prak> yes
[07:41] <NickGarvey> what doesn't happen?
[07:42] <Prak> it doesn't automatically detect my internet connection
[07:42] <NickGarvey> Prak: run dhclient
[07:42] <frank_> uscg_corey: try sudo umount /media/NixBS
[07:42] <frank_> uscg_corey: ithentry sudo mount /dev/sda5 /media/MixBS
[07:42] <Prak> dhclient during installation or after installation?
[07:43] <NickGarvey> dapper install with the live cd?
[07:43] <Prak> i'm installing with the install cd
[07:43] <coreymon77> prak, what network card
[07:44] <Prak> dlink dfe-530txs
[07:44] <uscg_corey> wont let me unmount it
[07:44] <uscg_corey> says its busy
[07:44] <coreymon77> anyone know if prak's driver is included in dapper
[07:45] <Prak> during 5.10 installation, it detects my card
[07:45] <coreymon77> ahh
[07:45] <Prak> not the connection though
[07:45] <coreymon77> type iwconfig into konsole
[07:45] <NickGarvey> iwconfig?
[07:45] <kkathman> I wonder if anyone has encountered issues with kubuntu's handling of multiple panels?  This seems to be something that is just kubuntu, and it is deficient
[07:45] <coreymon77> ya
[07:45] <NickGarvey> thats wireless I thought..
[07:46] <Prak> abort installation and type iwconfig?
[07:46] <coreymon77> oh
[07:46] <NickGarvey> sure its not ifconfig?
[07:46] <coreymon77> this isnt wireless
[07:46] <Prak> i think it's ifconfig
[07:46] <coreymon77> well then yes is it ifconfig
[07:46] <coreymon77> nope never mind them
[07:46] <coreymon77> then
[07:46] <Prak> i'll abort the installation and type ifconfig
[07:46] <coreymon77> ydont do tat
[07:47] <coreymon77> you can juswt open up another tab
[07:47] <Prak> i'll type ifconfig in 5.10
[07:47] <coreymon77> do that
[07:48] <Prak> i don't think it's the distros problem
[07:48] <coreymon77> after installation do that
[07:48] <coreymon77> just wait for installation to be done
[07:48] <Prak> ok
[07:48] <nixternal> Prak: still having issues?
[07:49] <Prak> yes
[07:49] <Prak> dapper flight failed on me too
[07:49] <Prak> during installation
[07:49] <nixternal> during installation?
[07:49] <Prak> it doesn't detect my internet connection
[07:50] <frank_> Prak: the installer couldn't find my network either. but now the prefered way to install is using the Live CD I think
[07:50] <Prak> ok
[07:50] <Prak> i don't have the live cd with me right now
[07:50] <kkathman> live CD install???  odd
[07:51] <Murfy> not odd
[07:51] <uscg_corey> i think im going to go into windows and delete the ext3 and format it in linux
[07:51] <Murfy> new
[07:51] <Prak> brb
[07:51] <uscg_corey> bbs
[07:51] <Prak> gotta eat breakfast
[07:51] <nixternal> type> lsmod | grep sundance
[07:51] <dontm> hello all
[07:51] <nixternal> see if that driver is loaded
[07:56] <nixternal> Prak: when you type> lspci     ...does the network card show in there...and if so what does it say about the card?
[07:57] <dontm> sometimes i see screenshots of linux and there is a sidebar that shows cpu usage and information of that nature.  does anyone know the name of that program?
[07:58] <carsten> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs is down ...
[08:00] <carsten> Riddell: I just wanted to close all my bugs ;-) All problems fixed in the rc! good work!
[08:01] <_esben> Is it me, or does Konversation have an extremely annoying focus bug? (The text entry field has no focus when switch to Konv.)
[08:01] <Snake> anyone here use darkbot? off hand?
[08:02] <uscg_corey> dammit
[08:02] <uscg_corey> i just formatted the partition
[08:02] <uscg_corey> now only root can view it
[08:02] <dontm> chown chgrp
[08:03] <frank_> uscg_corey: make a directory in it and do sudo chown user:user /media/NixBS/directory
[08:03] <dontm> yup
[08:03] <dontm> uscg: man chown; man chgrp;
[08:04] <Prak> back
[08:05] <Prak> i still have about 20% of dapper flight to download
[08:05] <coreymon77> why dapper flight
[08:05] <Prak> so it will be a while to get the livecd working
[08:06] <coreymon77> why not dapper rc
[08:06] <Prak> dapper rc?
[08:06] <nixternal> the new release candidate posted at http://www.kubuntu.com
[08:06] <dontm> is the function of this channel linux support or linux development?  is there a webpage specific to this channel? the links in the topic look general to kubu
[08:06] <coreymon77> the release candidate
[08:07] <coreymon77> less bugs
[08:07] <Prak> ok
[08:07] <coreymon77> get that instead
[08:07] <Prak> ok
[08:08] <Prak> there's only one cd?
[08:08] <nixternal> im gonna go to this computer store by the house prak...i can buy older network cards for about $1 from him...i hope he has the same card as you...i have researched that card to find out it is a canadian distro card, and you aren't the only one having problems with it
[08:08] <nixternal> ya Prak...one cd
[08:09] <Prak> ok
[08:09] <frank_> dontm: it's a support channel
[08:10] <uscg_corey> sudo chown -R admin:admin /dev/sda7
[08:10] <uscg_corey>  is this not correct?
[08:10] <Riddell> carsten: excellent.  launchpad is having problems but should be back up before long
[08:11] <frank_> uscg_corey: no.
[08:11] <uscg_corey> why not?
[08:11] <dontm> frank thank you, the wiki on kubuntu is very helpful.  i am reading the faq now.  sorry.
[08:11] <carsten> Riddell: good :) even 16:9 ratio is working
[08:11] <carsten> Riddell: now my only complaint in dapper is: ctrl-tab is not switching desktop
[08:12] <frank_> uscg_corey: /dev/sda7 is a device.   you have to do in in /media/mountpoint
[08:12] <Riddell> carsten: hmm, so it isn't
[08:13] <carsten> that is not kde's default AFAIK
[08:13] <uscg_corey> ahh
[08:13] <uscg_corey> got it frank_
[08:13] <Riddell> no
[08:14] <uscg_corey> well it says im still not owner of the disc
[08:14] <dontm> sorry to repeat myself but does anyone know the name of the sidebar program that lets u monitor network and cpu usage/activity? amongst other things
[08:14] <uscg_corey> but i think i have full access over the files on it
[08:14] <uscg_corey> how can i change the actual owner of the partition?
[08:14] <dontm> uscg: chown
[08:14] <uscg_corey> i just did that
[08:15] <dontm> ls -l <patition name>
[08:15] <frank_> uscg_corey: in /etc/fstab usually. not sure for automounts
[08:15] <dontm> does it read uscg_corey:uscg_corey?
[08:15] <uscg_corey> changed ownership of `/media/usbdisk' to admin:admin
[08:15] <dontm> after you change owner and group u may need to change individual file permissions via chmod
[08:15] <uscg_corey> ls -l usbdisk just outputs total 0
[08:16] <dontm> ok well cd to it
[08:16] <uscg_corey> theres no files on the partitions
[08:16] <dontm> then ls -l
[08:16] <dontm> oh ok
[08:16] <dontm> well then cd ..
[08:16] <uscg_corey> thers no files on it
[08:16] <dontm> then do a ls -l
[08:16] <dontm> verfiy that the owner and group are set properly
[08:16] <uscg_corey> it says its still root
[08:16] <dontm> hrm...
[08:16] <uscg_corey> but it let me delete the one file on it
[08:16] <uscg_corey> which it wouldnt let me before
[08:17] <dontm> did u run the chmod and chgrp as root?
[08:17] <uscg_corey> i didnt do chgrp
[08:17] <uscg_corey>  sudo chown -cR admin:admin /media/usbdisk
[08:17] <uscg_corey> is all i did
[08:17] <dontm> hrm that looks right
[08:17] <uscg_corey> it only seemed to change the files on it
[08:17] <dontm> and im assuming /media/usbdisk is there you mounted it correctly?
[08:17] <uscg_corey> not the actual partition
[08:18] <uscg_corey> yea it shows up
[08:18] <dontm> odd...
[08:18] <uscg_corey> i wish i could rename it, linux generically called it "99.9GB Volume"
[08:18] <uscg_corey> but its there
[08:18] <dontm> can you read/write/exec/modify files on the partition as your user account?
[08:19] <uscg_corey> nope
[08:19] <uscg_corey> it let me delete that folder, but cant do anything now
[08:19] <dontm> wait. what folder?
[08:20] <uscg_corey> lost+found
[08:20] <dontm> im assuming that was put there by default
[08:20] <uscg_corey> yea
[08:20] <frank_> uscg_corey: lost+found is part of the filesystem
[08:20] <dontm> do u remember the owner and group of that folder?
[08:20] <uscg_corey> nope
[08:21] <uscg_corey> let me see if i can restore it
[08:21] <dontm> so what happens if u try to copy a file to that partition now?
[08:21] <frank_> uscg_corey: I don't know what happens when you delete it
[08:21] <uscg_corey> that folder was owned by me
[08:21] <dontm> what exact error do u get back?
[08:21] <rohan> is there any hope of getting amarok 1.4.0 pushed into dapper final ? uvf exception was not entertained ?
[08:21] <uscg_corey> it lets me copy files
[08:22] <frank_> uscg_corey: well it was since you changed the ownership
[08:22] <frank_> rohan: probably not but you can get from the kubuntu.org repo I think
[08:22] <rohan> frank_: yes, i can get from that repo
[08:23] <rohan> but still, amarok 1.4.0 on the cd would've been "too cool"
[08:23] <frank_> rohan: heh. too late though ;)
[08:23] <rohan> frank_: still, 5 days to go
[08:23] <uscg_corey> hrmm
[08:23] <uscg_corey> when i copied a file over
[08:23] <uscg_corey> it said i owned it now
[08:23] <rohan> enough to get the package in, with sufficient testing (i think)
[08:25] <dontm> ok uscg sounds fine then
[08:25] <uscg_corey> i just need to rename the drive now
[08:25] <dontm> try opening and modding hte file from the partitions
[08:26] <dontm> corey, stupid question im sure, but are you in the coast guard?
[08:26] <uscg_corey> lol yea
[08:26] <dontm> is the linux system in question being used for uscg official work?
[08:26] <uscg_corey> noirequus, its my personal laptop
[08:27] <dontm> very cool
[08:27] <uscg_corey> -irequus
[08:27] <uscg_corey> idk where that came from haha
[08:27] <dontm> ha ha
[08:27] <dontm> what kind of laptop?
[08:27] <uscg_corey> how the hell do i rename this
[08:27] <dontm> hrm let me google a bit
[08:28] <kkathman> hmm.. wonder why java wouldnt work in dapper kubuntu, if the sun-java5-bin and sun-java-jre are both installed?
[08:28] <Riddell> carsten: launchpad back now
[08:29] <frank_> kkathman: you mean in konqueror?
[08:29] <uscg_corey> gateway pos
[08:29] <kkathman> frank_:  konqueror or firefox either one actually
[08:29] <rohan> hm.. then its 'final' that amarok 1.4 wont be in dapper ?
[08:29] <frank_> kkathman: the plugin works for me in firefox but not konqueror
[08:30] <frank_> kkathman: try http://java.sun.com/applets/jdk/1.4/demo/applets/ArcTest/example1.html in firefox
[08:31] <kkathman> ok frank_ lemme take a look
[08:32] <kkathman> frank_:  it gives that "download the plugin" thing
[08:33] <kkathman> yet I can do a dpkg - l | grep java and the bin and jre are there
[08:33] <frank_> kkathman: what version of ubuntu and firefox?
[08:34] <kkathman> frank_:  lets see...well I just did the updates last evening on dapper that were available
[08:34] <kkathman> firefox version is 1.5.0.3
[08:34] <frank_> I have the same thing and it works fine. if you go to about:plugins in firefox do you see the java plugin?
[08:35] <kkathman> let me check that frank_ one moment
[08:35] <kkathman> aha.. no, its not there :)
[08:35] <kkathman> hmm
[08:35] <kkathman> guess the install doesnt put it there?
[08:35] <rohan> also the artwork .. windeco, theme and all such .. seen in rc, is the final for dapper ? no changes ?
[08:36] <frank_> kkathman: did you restart firefox since installing java?
[08:36] <kkathman> hmm let me do that just in case
[08:36] <kkathman> I did just now, but its not picking up the java
[08:36] <_nano_> kkathman: sometimes the symlinks are broken
[08:37] <kkathman> I wonder if the "plugin" is a separate download?
[08:37] <_nano_> kkathman: try tracing the symlink to the actual java plugin location?
[08:37] <frank_> kkathman: no it comes with sun-java5-bin
[08:38] <klerfayt> is "gam_server" bug famous already?
[08:38] <kkathman> aha
[08:38] <kkathman> no its separate :)
[08:38] <kkathman> now its in firefox
[08:38] <frank_> kkathman: what did you install?
[08:38] <kkathman> I did a sudo apt-get install sun-java5-plugin
[08:38] <kkathman> and now its there
[08:39] <kkathman> before I had only installed  sun-java5-bin  and sun-java5-jre
[08:39] <kkathman> didnt get the "plugin"
[08:39] <rohan> hmm.. easier just to make-jpkg on the bin
[08:39] <_nano_> lolz
[08:39] <rohan> atleast it doenst give you split stuff
[08:39] <kkathman> works now :)
[08:39] <kkathman> thanks guys for the help :)
[08:40] <_nano_> kkathman: you figured everything on your own :P
[08:40] <frank_> kkathman: does it work in konqueoror? I never could make it work
[08:40] <dontm> kkath: make sure u make a symbolic link to the so file
[08:40] <dontm> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/manual_install_linux.html
[08:40] <kkathman> frank_:  let me double check on that one
[08:42] <kkathman> frank_:  yes it works now
[08:42] <kkathman> frank_:  you'll need to go to the Configure Konqueror and point the java location to /usr/bin/java
[08:43] <kkathman> once you load the plugin
[08:43] <kkathman> guess I will try azureus again now
[08:44] <frank_> kkathman: it works.  I just had java there which points to the same place
[08:44] <kkathman> nope
[08:44] <kkathman> that still doesnt work :)
[08:44] <frank_> kkathman: sudo update-alternatives -configure java
[08:44] <klerfayt> I'm using reiserfs an I want to enable extended user attributes for home; is it  "user_xattr"?
[08:44] <kkathman> I get this mesage that azureus did not shutdown tidily....and that message remains on my screen and cant get it off without ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:45] <frank_> kkathman: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[08:45] <kkathman> ok
[08:45] <kkathman> brb must restart X
[08:46] <uscg_corey> howwww do you rename a disk
[08:47] <uscg_corey> i dont want mine named "99.9 GB Volume"
[08:47] <fatejudger> !samba
[08:47] <ubotu> hmm... samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[08:50] <kkathman> frank_:  sorry what was that command again to get azureus working?
[08:51] <kkathman> the update alternatives one?
[08:54] <KDEfanboy> !help
[08:56] <KDEfanboy> !commands
[08:56] <ubotu> rumour has it, commands is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[08:56] <kkathman> hmmm thats odd, there is no such update-alternates in the repos :(
[08:58] <kkathman> argh
[08:58] <JavaGeek> hello
[08:58] <JavaGeek> I just upgraded my laptop to dapper
[08:58] <glick> excuse me does anyone know how i can play my ram files?
[08:59] <glick> real player says the file is obsolete and is no longer supported
[09:00] <glick> JavaGeek: yeah i was thinkin of doing that today too
[09:00] <glick> does anyone know how i can play my .ram files?
[09:00] <XVampireX> Yo, can one make screencasts with kubuntu, somehow?
[09:01] <klerfayt> glick: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <_nano_> yeah i would also like to know the answer to XVampireX's question :)
[09:01] <JavaGeek> glick: it removes kde :(
[09:02] <JavaGeek> how do i know what files were installed for a package?
[09:02] <skuttler> does kubuntu come with just pure KDE apps or does it install apps like firefox, gimp, etc by default
[09:03] <apokryphos> no firefox or gimp
[09:03] <billups> can anybody say that how can i install firefox?
[09:03] <uscg_corey> !ff1.5
[09:03] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:03] <skuttler> excellent apokryphos - so just pure KDE
[09:03] <apokryphos> billups: fire up adept and install firefox
[09:03] <apokryphos> skuttler: pretty much
[09:03] <XVampireX> So no one knows
[09:03] <apokryphos> screencast?
[09:04] <skuttler> i am thinking of moving from SuSE 10.1 to kubunutu - was very impressed with ubuntu handles package management
[09:04] <JavaGeek> dapper comes with ff 1.5.0.3 :)
[09:04] <apokryphos> skuttler: yup, it's a shame about the awful package management in 10.1. Still, smart is more-or-less perfect.
[09:05] <JavaGeek> what's up with the package 'tags'? the new adept has that
[09:05] <billups> apokryphos: ok
[09:05] <apokryphos> new debtags, which adept is the first GUI front-end to have support for
[09:05] <_nano_> apokryphos: screencast as in a video recording the screen
[09:05] <skuttler> apokryphos: i was hoping 10.1 would fix all the problems with 10.0, but it just seems worse especially the package management which is just dreadful
[09:06] <apokryphos> skuttler: I really really liked it apart from the package management muck-up, which is indead temporary but a big blow.
[09:06] <skuttler> think i am going to try kubuntu 6.06
[09:06] <apokryphos> kubuntu's nice, yup :)
[09:06] <billups> apokryphos: i just let it install and it takes time i mean is it normal or am i doing something wrong
[09:06] <apokryphos> skuttler: download the dapper RC
[09:06] <glick> damnit i installed w32codecs but it refuses to play my damn .ram files
[09:06] <glick> wtf
[09:06] <apokryphos> billups: it'll take some time, sure; depends on your net connection.
[09:06] <GazzaK> glick: that needs realplayer
[09:06] <skuttler> apokryphos: does dapper RC handle WPA-PSK well?
[09:06] <apokryphos> no idea
[09:07] <glick> GazzaK: realplayer says the file is obsolete and doesnt support that file type anymore
[09:07] <billups> ok
[09:08] <JavaGeek> apokryphos: where can i find more info about those tags?
[09:08] <JavaGeek> dapper detected my laptop's sd slot, btw :D
[09:09] <apokryphos> ubotu: debtags is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebTags
[09:09] <ubotu> apokryphos: okay
[09:09] <KDEfanboy> hmm are there packages to enable more encryption algorithms for gnupg (or perhaps kpgp just doesn't support them) ?
[09:09] <apokryphos> JavaGeek: that page's good :)
[09:10] <JavaGeek> apokryphos: arigato
[09:11] <glick> i seem to have everything installed but i cant play my .ram files?
[09:14] <KDEfanboy> glick: which app is using w32codecs?
[09:16] <glick> KDEfanboy: i dont know i was just instructed to install it and it would work automagically
[09:16] <KDEfanboy> glick: you've only tried realplayer?
[09:17] <glick> KDEfanboy: no i tried mplayer, kaffeine, realplayer, helix
[09:18] <KDEfanboy> ah, when you try mplayer what is the console output? is it finding the codecs but not playing, or not finding the codec, etc
[09:27] <glick> well i guess its broken :(
[09:28] <KDEfanboy> :'(
[09:30] <glick> what bums the people at realnetworks are
[09:33] <JavaGeek> mmm... the java plugin isn't working for firefox on dapper
[09:34] <crimsun> /which/ java plugin?
[09:36] <Kadran> hi is there is a solution yet for the 'critical temp reached' when using kernel 2.6.15-23-386
[09:38] <JavaGeek> crimsun: *the* java plugin. the one from sun
[09:38] <JavaGeek> I have installed sun-java5-plugin, but I don't see it under firefox
[09:38] <crimsun> JavaGeek: the one from multiverse is most certainly /not/ the /only/ Java plugin.
[09:39] <crimsun> JavaGeek: did you read the topic in #ubuntu+1 ?
[09:42] <JavaGeek> crimsun: sun-java5-plugin
[09:42] <crimsun> JavaGeek: I know. Did you read the topic in #ubuntu+1?
[09:44] <JavaGeek> crimsun: yes, and I did the update-java-alternatives
[09:44] <JavaGeek> java is working
[09:45] <JavaGeek> just not the plugin for ff
[09:45] <alexito-> hello
[09:45] <alexito-> wo canl help me
[09:47] <hastesaver> JavaGeek, did you read the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-ef347c277a133b64af0600bd1bf24bc64e7038b8 ?
[09:47] <JavaGeek> mmm... maybe the plugin needs to be somewhere else
[09:47] <jesus_> Hola
[09:47] <jesus_> a todos
[09:47] <Macxdmg> does anyone know why my install would freeze while booting ... last thing was /etc/rc ... i think
[09:48] <word> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AzureusHowTo - are these instructions any different fro dapper?
[09:48] <alexito-> i have problem with kubuntu
[09:48] <alexito-> i cant get ehternet works
[09:48] <alexito-> ethernet
[09:48] <crimsun> JavaGeek: you should set up an alternative for the plugin, too, then.
[09:48] <crimsun> JavaGeek: either that or manually create the symlink.
[09:48] <alexito-> when i click adminitration mode and wrote my rroot password
[09:48] <word> Macxdmg: My isntall would always freeze while loading the enterprise volume thinger i just pressed ctrl+c to skip it and it worked fine.
[09:48] <alexito-> dont happen nothing
[09:49] <JavaGeek> crimsun: I tried both
[09:49] <Macxdmg> word : thanks
[09:49] <hastesaver> JavaGeek, did you install it according to the RestrictedFormats wiki page? (Or try it again...)
[09:49] <ctw> Hi! I have a Sony Ericsson W600i cell phone and would like to synch my contacts & calendar with Kontact. Does anybody know how? (I can see my contacts in KMobileTools, but don't know how to export or edit them.)
[09:49] <JavaGeek> i added the symlink to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins
[09:49] <crimsun> JavaGeek: what does it point to?
[09:51] <r0xz> does anyone know an app that can talk over LAN with an win pc?
[09:52] <JavaGeek> aha!
[09:52] <JavaGeek> I needed to add the plugin to my ~/.mozilla/ dir too
[09:52] <JavaGeek> weird
[09:52] <JavaGeek> it needs to be in both places
[09:52] <dontm> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/manual_install_linux.html
[09:52] <dontm> javageek: there u go
[09:52] <dontm> heh
[09:53] <hastesaver> dontm, no, don't do that
[09:53] <dontm> i just did and it works fine
[09:53] <dontm> why shouldnt i do that?
[09:54] <JavaGeek> dontm: because ubuntu now comes with java support (dapper)
[09:54] <JavaGeek> apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[09:55] <hastesaver> dontm, in general, it is not a good idea to follow generic instructions that are not Ubuntu-specific, IMHO
[09:55] <dontm> :java ok
[09:55] <dontm> Java: ok
[09:55] <uscg_corey> anyone else have a download speed issue with the Bittorrent Client that comes with ubuntu?
[09:55] <dontm> crap i cant get stupid nick completion to work in konversation
[09:56] <jpatrick> dontm: press tab
[09:56] <dontm> jpatrick: thanks
[09:56] <JavaGeek> w00t!
[09:56] <dontm> jpatrick:  i was used to using colon
[09:56] <uniq> uscg_corey: i have noticed that azureus is alot faster than ktorrent.
[09:56] <JavaGeek> thanks for your help. Dapper looks and feels great
[09:57] <dontm> hastesaver: so what should i do instead of using the java sun instructions?
[09:57] <uscg_corey> hrm
[09:57] <uniq> uscg_corey: but i guess that's because of the distributed support that lacks in ktorrent.
[09:57] <hastesaver> !java
[09:57] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:57] <uscg_corey> well im actually using the ubuntu one
[09:57] <uscg_corey> whatever it is
[09:58] <JavaGeek> hastesaver: thx
[09:58] <dontm> !version
[09:58] <ubotu> To find out what ubuntu version you have type ''lsb_release -a'' in a terminal.
[09:58] <uscg_corey> wonder if bittornado is any better
[09:59] <r0xz> uscg_corey: bittornado is better, i agree
[09:59] <uscg_corey> i can only get like 20kb on this gnome bittorrent
[09:59] <dontm> ah good stuff thank you haste:
[09:59] <dontm> crap can u do nick completion after the start of a line?
[09:59] <macd> uscg_corey: your download speed has nothing todo with the torrent program your using
[10:00] <macd> I use ktorrent btw.
[10:00] <dontm> macd: not necessarily a true statement
[10:00] <uscg_corey> idk
[10:00] <uscg_corey> i dont see why id only get 20kb
[10:00] <dontm> many torrent clients have settings to throttle dl and upload speed. moreover, dl speed is a function of upload speed throttle in most clients
[10:00] <macd> dontm: ok so maybee there is a.001% variance, due to inefficient code, or bad handling of requests.
[10:00] <dontm> read hwat i just wrote
[10:01] <word> Are the instructions to install azureus - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AzureusHowTo any different for dapper?
[10:01] <macd> dontm: that has todo with the settings in the program, not the program :/
[10:01] <dontm> symantecs =-)
[10:01] <dontm> uscg_corey: make sure the SETTINGS in your PROGRAM are configured to allow for max uploading and dling throttle
[10:01] <dontm> also make sure the priority is normal or below
[10:01] <macd> configured the same, ktorrent and gnometorrent would perform alike.
[10:01] <dontm> thread priority
[10:02] <dontm> macd: agreed
[10:03] <word> So...anyone know if there's a dfiference for azureus installlation in dappper?
[10:04] <crimsun> word: install sun-java5-jre, update the java alternative, then install azureus
[10:04] <macd> word: sudo apt=get install azureus
[10:04] <macd> sorry, I assumed jre was already installed.
[10:04] <dontm> macd: how do u know what command to run to get a certain program?
[10:04] <dontm> macd: the apt commands i mean
[10:05] <macd> dontm: I look at packages.ubuntu.com
[10:05] <macd> I find what I want, then I just apt-get install <namehere>
[10:05] <dontm> is there a keyword search feature?
[10:05] <dontm> save using a pkg manager
[10:06] <macd> yes, goto that page, then you can browse by release, the package category, or get the whole list of then at the bottom of the page and use your webbrowsers "find" option
[10:06] <dontm> =-/
[10:06] <dontm> clooge
[10:07] <dontm> (sic)
[10:07] <dontm> u know a cloogy (sic?) fix?
[10:07] <dontm> hot and fast and sloopy
[10:07] <dontm> not pro
[10:07] <dontm> not well thought out
[10:07] <dontm> not robust
[10:07] <dontm> cloogey
[10:07] <dontm> not sure how to spell it
[10:08] <dontm> are there any rules in this channel for going away or idling?
[10:08] <macd> not to my knowledge
[10:08] <macd> IVe been in here for about a month striaght
[10:08] <dontm> i know #linux on efnet have rules about idling or auto way functions of clients
[10:08] <dontm> ok cool brb then heh
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> dontm: aptitude search keyword or apt-cache search keyword (the second is more verbose)
[10:10] <macd> that would see alot easier ;)
[10:11] <Paradosso> hi there, how do I prevent katapult from loading at startup?
[10:17] <XVampireX> Hey
[10:17] <XVampireX> There's a problem with the menu updating, sometimes it updates and sometimes it doesn't...
[10:17] <XVampireX> Can it be fixed?
[10:22] <KDEfanboy> XVampireX: when doesn't it
[10:22] <XVampireX> Sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't, mostly random
[10:23] <stodge> I'm trying to install dapper using the new GUI installer...
[10:23] <word> Hey..do I let azurues install some 40 installs or should java be all i need?
[10:23] <XVampireX> word
[10:23] <stodge> I don't see how to specify the mount point for a partition without formatting it
[10:23] <XVampireX> just java
[10:23] <KDEfanboy> XVampireX: you talking about the kmenu after instalilng an app or what?
[10:23] <XVampireX> You not in msn
[10:24] <frank_> word: if you download azureus from the website, you only need java.
[10:24] <word> XVampireX: I'm not supposed to be on I have family over :P
[10:24] <XVampireX> Ah, okey
[10:24] <XVampireX> But you're on IRC
[10:24] <XVampireX> KDEfanboy: yes, that's what I'm talking about
[10:25] <word> Okay...are you talking about the .deb file - http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/pool/contrib/a/azureus/azureus_2.4.0.2-1_all.deb or the source package on their website
[10:25] <KDEfanboy> XVampireX: ok, then you can type kbuildsycoca in the command line to refresh it
[10:26] <stodge> Anyone know how to not format an existing partition using hte new installer?
[10:26] <XVampireX> I have to do it everytime an application doesn't appear when I install it? Can I automate it after everytime I install something?
[10:27] <KDEfanboy> XVampireX: probably if you script it, but as far as i'm concerned, it's a bug
[10:27] <XVampireX> Yeah :-/
[10:29] <McNutella> bootup logo is kubuntu, I want it back to ubuntu, how do I change back ?
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> !usplash
[10:29] <ubotu> from memory, usplash is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USplashCustomizationHowto
[10:29] <Massacration> hi
[10:35] <stodge> Is there a way to use the old text installer instead of the graphical live cd?
[10:36] <h3sp4wn> stodge: alternative iso
[10:36] <stodge> Gah
[10:37] <stodge> Damn partitioner won't re-use existing partitions without formatting htem
[10:38] <billups> im tryin to install firefox by Adept and its been almost one hour but i hasnt finished yet .is that normal?
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> stodge: just do a dist-upgrade or use updatemanager -d
[10:39] <stodge> I did a dist-upgrade but it screwed my system up and wouldn't boot
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> stodge: Packages from unofficial repos installed ?
[10:41] <stodge> I dont remember :P
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> stodge: I take it you backed up first ?
[10:41] <stodge> My home directory is fine
[10:41] <stodge> I just need to know how to re-use existing partitions with the new partitioner
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> stodge: As far as I know you can't
[10:42] <stodge> Huh????
[10:42] <stodge> Wow, that's a major missing feature
[10:42] <stodge> How could they possibly put out the RC with this missing?
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> stodge: you are supposed to use gksudo "update-manager -d" to upgrade between distro's not install from cd
[10:43] <stodge> I tried but that screwed up, so..
[10:44] <h3sp4wn> stodge: the alternate cd can keep partitions
[10:44] <stodge> Yeah but that's another 650Mb download and another CD :(
[10:44] <_bbeck> I was wondering if anyone knew of a way to enter unicode code points into KDE apps?
[10:46] <rasa> Am I crazy to want to put /etc under subversion's control?
[10:46] <chavo> rasa, no not crazy at all to want it
[10:46] <rasa> ok, thanks, i'm gonna give it a try
[10:58] <r0xz> strange, i rip a cd with marking author rights in settings of kde, but audiocd:/ doesn't set the author right tag
[11:01] <blue_> ls
[11:01] <blue_> hello?
[11:01] <blue_> .part
[11:02] <r0xz> and the bitrate settings of audiocd:/ in mp3 are missing a "p"
[11:02] <r0xz> it tells me 160 kbs
[11:05] <blue6249> Ballsack!
[11:05] <blue6249> I mean, hi guys.
[11:06] <blue6249> Oh yeah.
[11:06] <blue6249> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:08] <r0xz> does kubuntu uses the official dutch kde translation for kde?
[11:12] <dontm>   is dapper drake stable?
[11:12] <billups>  when i try to install any package by apt-get install i get an error written "couldn't find package" so why i get those error messages?
[11:12] <Dasnipa`> dontm, id hope its faily stable its slated to be released soo afaik
[11:12] <Blissex> "dapper
[11:12] <Blissex> !dapper
[11:12] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until then
[11:13] <Dasnipa`> see
[11:13] <dontm> heh
[11:13] <dontm> thanks
[11:13] <sheldonc> it hasnt caused me much trouble
[11:14] <blue6249> :(
[11:14] <blue6249> What kind of retarded C compiler that doesn't output executables did I install and why?
[11:14] <sheldonc> ???
[11:14] <blue6249> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:15] <chavo> blue6249, did you install build-essential
[11:15] <h3sp4wn> blue6249: cross compiler ?
[11:15] <minimouse>  hello, anyone know of problems with GeForce 6200? I got nothing but a cursor and the background. Can't even open a terminal
[11:16] <sheldonc> got write permissions ?
[11:16] <diop> hello, i need the repository for installing multimdia codecs, mp3 etc..
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> multiverse
[11:17] <diop> h3sp4wn: could you please give me an exple of source list
[11:17] <diop> ive got an error everytime i try my apt-get
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> dapper or breezy ?
[11:18] <diop> dapper
[11:18] <glick> hmm dapper has issues
[11:18] <glick> it automounted my firewire drive once
[11:18] <glick> and not it doesnt anymore
[11:18] <glick> a few minutes ago i had a complete system lock up
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> diop: http://pastebin.com/741818 (you dont need the deb-src lines)
[11:19] <glick> does anyone know how i can get it to mount my firewire drive again?
[11:20] <diop> thank you h3sp4wn
[11:20] <McNutella> too many spammers in here :(
[11:20] <johnny3d> how to set gtk_config path to a gimp plugin install?
[11:20] <glick> the folders in media are still there
[11:21] <glick> even though its not mounted
[11:21] <glick> should i delete the folders?
[11:21] <h3sp4wn> glick: what have you tried ?
[11:21] <glick> h3sp4wn: umm plugging it in
[11:25] <johnny3d> how to include a path for an install?
[11:25] <h3sp4wn> glick: does it appear in the output of dmesg (unplug it and replug it in and then look at the bottom)
[11:25] <glick> h3sp4wn: yes it does
[11:26] <glick> h3sp4wn: but error messages
[11:26] <diop> E: Couldn't find package libdivx4linux   <----- i  ve this got this error
[11:26] <diop> any idea
[11:26] <diop> ?
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> glick: look at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/36274 are the messages related ?
[11:26] <osar_sabin> raga, sa
[11:27] <glick> h3sp4wn: yes their similer
[11:29] <glick> ?
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> glick: Dapper is still not released you should not expect it to work fully until june 1st - if you do 'ls /dev | grep sd' do you get any output
[11:31] <dontm> question about adept: adding the universe and multiverse repositories
[11:32] <dontm> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:32] <h3sp4wn> dontm: what is the question ?
[11:32] <dontm> says to add multiverse to any component w/ universe in it
[11:32] <glick> h3sp4wn: just ptysd
[11:32] <glick> and ttysd
[11:32] <dontm> and in the pic, the component name is main-restricted universe (and then append multiverse)
[11:33] <dontm> well my commented out line by default had nothing but universe w/ no main-restricted before it
[11:33] <h3sp4wn> glick: I can't help you I don't have any firewire stuff to test with and the kernel obviously is not detecting it
[11:33] <dontm> in short, the compenent label was universe instead of main-restricted universe
[11:33] <glick> maybe i should go back to the i386 kernel
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> dontm: just uncomment the line and add multiverse to it (universe multiverse)
[11:34] <h3sp4wn> glick: Probably I know usb is unreliable on any arch other than i386 for me so I wouldn't expect firewire to be any more reliable
[11:34] <dontm> h3sp4wn: right that's what i ahve now, however does it need to have main-restricted also in the compenent label like the screen shot?
[11:35] <glick> h3sp4wn: if on the 1st i do upgrade will it upgrade me to release version or do i have to reinstall?
[11:35] <dontm> "main-restricted universe multiverse" instead of simply "universe multiverse" ?
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> glick: it will upgrade you to the release version
[11:35] <h3sp4wn> dontm: you only need to have each section in once
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> dontm: If you have main restricted on one line you don't need them again
[11:36] <h3sp4wn> dontm: using dapper or breezy ?
[11:36] <dontm> 5.10 breezy
[11:36] <piotrek> who can help me in installing intel c++ compiler on ubuntu?
[11:36] <piotrek> i'll be glad of your help
[11:37] <dontm> h3sp4wn: im just following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:38] <piotrek> who can help me?
[11:38] <piotrek> join #ubuntu
[11:38] <dontm> the screenshot on that page has "main-restricted" "main-restricted" and "main-restricted universe multiverse" for deb and deb-src in breezy, breezy-updates, and breezy-sec see?
[11:39] <h3sp4wn> dontm: use http://pastebin.com/741859
[11:40] <h3sp4wn> dontm: you don't need deb-src unless you want to compile from source
[11:41] <h3sp4wn> piotrek: ask intel
[11:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn: thank you
[11:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn:  what is a back port exactly?
[11:42] <macd> I think intels compiler suite is a .bin
[11:42] <piotrek> h3sp4wn, thanks for help :/
[11:43] <h3sp4wn> dontm: newer versions of software made to work with breezy (you don't need them if you don't want)
[11:44] <macd> piotrek: http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/compilers/277618.htm   is that the product your referring to>?
[11:44] <nico8481> re
[11:44] <piotrek> macd, yes :)
[11:45] <macd> piotrek:   you purchased it, it comes with documentation and intel support, since its not a supported ubuntu package, unless someone uses it we have no idea.
[11:45] <piotrek> macd, no i have download free trial version
[11:45] <macd> piotrek: ok, hold on one sec. let me look on thier site for documentation
[11:46] <glick> it seems like when i did an upgrade it upgraded pmount
[11:46] <glick> and ever since then it was screwy
[11:47] <Lynoure> piotrek: If they do not provide enough help to get it installed, don't buy it.
[11:47] <piotrek> macd, ok thank you very much !
[11:47] <macd> ok piotrek the file you downloaded, what is it named?
[11:47] <piotrek> macd, file:///home/piotrek/Desktop/l_cc_c_9.0.030.tar.gz
[11:48] <dontm> can backports break teh distro?
[11:48] <macd> ok first youll need to untar that, 'tar zxvf l_cc_c_9.0.030.tar.gz'
[11:48] <piotrek> macd, i can tell you in what part of installation it crash
[11:48] <dontm> h3sp4wn: can backports break anything?
[11:48] <macd> piotrek: whay dont you paste everything into kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> dontm: Usually not
[11:49] <dontm> h3sp4wn: thank you very much for all your help
[11:49] <h3sp4wn> dontm: But they are perhaps slightly less well tested than the stuff in breezy main
[11:50] <piotrek> macd, here is first error "install_cc.sh can't identify your machine type, glibc, or kernel."
[11:51] <macd> piotrek: thats pretty self explanitory, are you running the install script sudo ?
[11:52] <piotrek> macd, i have login to root account
[11:52] <macd> yeah well root has no path.
[11:52] <piotrek> macd, i'have the newest ubuntu beta 2
[11:52] <macd> become your user again, then sudo ./install_cc.sh
[11:52] <piotrek> ok, i'll try now
[11:53] <billups> i cannot use 1152*768 color depth on my comp. however i have a new monitor. I tried to fix it by xorg.conf but it gave an IO error so what can i do
[11:53] <billups> ?
[11:53] <HymnToLife> !tell billups about fixres
[11:55] <billups> i added 1152*768 lines to xorg.conf
[11:55] <billups> on 24 bit section
[11:58] <billups> so what can i do?
[12:00] <piotrek> macd, i still have "install_cc.sh can't identify your machine type, glibc, or kernel." :(
[12:01] <macd> well, piotrek I dont use the intell c++ compiler I use GNU, but if you care to wait till my download is finished I'll give it a shot on kubntu 6.06
[12:01] <piotrek> macd, thanks a lot!
[12:02] <macd> np, looks like about 31minutes
[12:02] <piotrek> macd, because in poland is night now and i have to go sleep can you mail me later on pkochanek@gmail.com ?
[12:02] <piotrek> macd, i'll be very glad of your help!
[12:02] <macd> umm, how about come back here this time tommarrow?
[12:03] <macd> OR post a thread on ubuntuforums.org and give me the addy to it, and I 'll reply
[12:04] <piotrek> macd, here http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=5275.0
[12:04] <macd> excellent!
[12:04] <piotrek> i've post already, bu i haven't got good answer
[12:07] <Jack_Sparrow> Yo Ho is imBrandon around