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| bluefoxicy | Fabulous | 02:58 |
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| bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Mq64HK84.html Works on i386, untested on PPC, tested with 2.6.15-23.35 (skipped the patch for arch/x86-64/ files that aren't in that version), built as i686 and tested. | 03:00 |
| bluefoxicy | Any chance at all I can talk this one into Edgy later? | 03:00 |
| bluefoxicy | (Dapper's kernel is well past being frozen) | 03:01 |
| zul | what is it? | 03:03 |
| jbailey | Heya Chuck! | 03:04 |
| zul | hey jeff how is it going? | 03:04 |
| jbailey | bluefoxicy: This is more stsack randomisation stuff? | 03:04 |
| jbailey | bluefoxicy: What's the upstream status of it? Is it at least in -mm? | 03:05 |
| jbailey | zul: Good! | 03:05 |
| jbailey | I didn't manage to ping you about the lkh stuff last week. | 03:05 |
| zul | jbailey: good to hear | 03:05 |
| jbailey | zul: Workin' away as always. | 03:05 |
| zul | jbailey: i wasnt around much this weekend but im working on it right now | 03:05 |
| jbailey | Oh, nice! | 03:05 |
| zul | while watching family guy | 03:06 |
| bluefoxicy | jbailey: nowhere near mm, upstream saw the first try (a really ugly and hackish patch) and only arjan has taken me up on principle, nobody else cares. | 03:08 |
| jbailey | bluefoxicy: Really? Why not? Stand randomisation is generally accepted as sane, and this doesn't look like it has high cost. | 03:08 |
| lifeless | y | 03:08 |
| bluefoxicy | jbailey: This patch has (tested) absolutely 0 effect on i386 if you just patch and reboot; and should have (not tested) absolutely 0 effect on any other architecture if you don't touch it. | 03:09 |
| bluefoxicy | Our current kernel inherits mainline's 8 megs of stack randomization and 1 meg of mmap() base randomization, which has been in since 2.6.12 | 03:09 |
| jbailey | lifeless: Are you agreeing, or just farting? | 03:09 |
| bluefoxicy | What the patch I wrote does is leaves that in tact, except makes it dependent on a variable that can be adjusted easily -- and throws a knob on the kernel command line | 03:09 |
| bluefoxicy | I had hoped for mainline to lay the framework for SELinux-controlled randomization entropy | 03:10 |
| lifeless | jbailey: finger fart | 03:10 |
| bluefoxicy | For now, if a user so chooses, he can turn stack and mmap() randomization up/down/off with boot time parameters. | 03:10 |
| jbailey | lifeless: =) | 03:10 |
| bluefoxicy | jbailey: I'm going to have to install fedora core 5 here and run paxtest probably to argue with them. Arjan is claiming 8M and 1M is enough; but I'm pretty sure Fedora Core 5 and RHEL both use 128M (PaX uses 256M, and the code will not let you use more than 1/12 the VMA space-- which is 256M if TASK_SIZE=3G) | 03:14 |
| bluefoxicy | jbailey: I'm looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BOFs/ProactiveSecurityRoadmap (Disclaimer: I wrote some of it), I'm pretty sure -Wstack-protector and FORTIFY_SOURCE can make Edgy (gcc 4.1) | 03:20 |
| jbailey | Cool. | 03:21 |
| bluefoxicy | yeah.. I was hoping 4.2 would make edgy but eh. | 03:21 |
| bluefoxicy | I hear the stack protector in 4.1 is semi-broken. | 03:22 |
| bluefoxicy | FC5 uses it | 03:22 |
| bluefoxicy | so it can't be that bad | 03:22 |
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| bluefoxicy | http://rafb.net/paste/results/wgUvS593.html Here we go, with FC5's defaults (12 bits and 19 bits, instead of 10 and 19) | 04:37 |
| bluefoxicy | wait, the hell | 04:41 |
| bluefoxicy | since when do they have randomized ET_EXEC base | 04:41 |
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| Mithrandir | BenC: any idea about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/34643 ? Doesn't the kernel actually lock the drive when mounting something off it? | 10:55 |
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| fabbione | BenC: so -23- on live keeps freezing... | 12:13 |
| fabbione | BenC: sometimes when i boot it from hd it works, but switching to console kills the machine | 12:14 |
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| airlied | fabbione: what graphics card? | 12:20 |
| fabbione | airlied: ati | 12:20 |
| fabbione | it's a PB g4 | 12:20 |
| fabbione | exactly the same as BenC | 12:21 |
| fabbione | it works for him but not for me | 12:21 |
| airlied | fabbione: I assume switching to console is switching from X? | 12:21 |
| fabbione | yes | 12:21 |
| fabbione | from X to console | 12:21 |
| fabbione | it's a hard freeze | 12:21 |
| airlied | what ati chipset? | 12:21 |
| fabbione | 0000:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] | 12:22 |
| fabbione | i was just looking at the kernel changelog and stuff to see if there is anything relevant | 12:22 |
| airlied | well I merged up the drm changes from the latest kernel to dapper.. | 12:22 |
| fabbione | oh | 12:23 |
| airlied | you mightn't of had DRI enabled on the previous kernel perhaps.. | 12:23 |
| fabbione | i can check | 12:23 |
| fabbione | old kernel seems to have dri enabled | 12:25 |
| fabbione | (II) RADEON(0): [DRI] installation complete | 12:25 |
| airlied | can you pastebin an old kernel xorg.0.log and a new one? | 12:25 |
| fabbione | let's check with the new one | 12:25 |
| fabbione | airlied: sure of course | 12:25 |
| fabbione | i was just rebooting into the new one | 12:25 |
| fabbione | how curious | 12:27 |
| fabbione | now i can ssh into the box but i have no X and keyboard is dead | 12:27 |
| fabbione | no | 12:27 |
| fabbione | box is dead | 12:27 |
| airlied | benh is away as well, I normally punt all ppc to him :-) | 12:28 |
| fabbione | yeah i know | 12:28 |
| airlied | I really need to get an M10 out of somewhere.. | 12:29 |
| fabbione | here it is booted fine now | 12:29 |
| fabbione | HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM | 12:32 |
| fabbione | grabbing the logs.... | 12:32 |
| fabbione | http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/Xorg.0.log.daltanius.* | 12:35 |
| fabbione | the new is when it manages to startup with the new kernel | 12:36 |
| fabbione | i need to modify a bit the boot sequence and see if i can scp the logs of when it crashes before it does so | 12:36 |
| fabbione | it seems to be DRI/DRM related | 12:40 |
| fabbione | (II) RADEON(0): AGP card detected | 12:40 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | 12:40 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) | 12:40 |
| fabbione | this is the last thing it can write to disks before it dies | 12:40 |
| fabbione | in the middle of DRI init | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 187.896705] [drm] Initialized drm 1.0.1 20051102 | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 187.991213] [drm] Initialized radeon 1.24.0 20060225 on minor 0 | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 189.157702] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:0b.0 into 1x mode | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 189.157715] agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:10.0 into 1x mode | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 189.305909] [drm] Setting GART location based on old memory map | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 189.305928] [drm] Loading R300 Microcode | 12:40 |
| fabbione | [ 189.305987] [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs | 12:40 |
| fabbione | this is in dmesg | 12:41 |
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| fabbione | disabling dri from xorg.conf does the trick | 12:49 |
| airlied | hmm I wonder about how well radeonfb works with the new drm memory mapping.. | 12:49 |
| fabbione | apparently not very well.. :) | 12:49 |
| airlied | I suspect the system is crashing in radeonfb rather than X.org on VT switch.. | 12:49 |
| fabbione | possibily... what do you want me to test? | 12:50 |
| airlied | hmm can you boot without radeonfb and set usefbdev to off? | 12:51 |
| fabbione | sure | 12:51 |
| airlied | I've no idea if that is possible on ppc.. | 12:51 |
| fabbione | i can do all teh tests you want | 12:51 |
| fabbione | no idea too | 12:51 |
| fabbione | but we can try :) | 12:51 |
| fabbione | no actually no.. radeonfb is built-in | 12:51 |
| fabbione | but i can disable usefbdev and see | 12:52 |
| airlied | yeah try that at least.. | 12:52 |
| fabbione | this one works too | 12:56 |
| fabbione | but note this now: | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:10.0 | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0 | 12:56 |
| fabbione | drmOpenDevice: open result is 6, (OK) | 12:56 |
| fabbione | this time it find the devices? | 12:56 |
| airlied | yeah you get some wierd results with drmOpenDevice.. | 12:56 |
| fabbione | it looks like a very interesting race condition | 12:56 |
| airlied | no it is just got lots of backwardss comapt.. | 12:56 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 12:57 |
| fabbione | well either disabling dri or radeonfb seems to work | 12:58 |
| fabbione | so the two did stop to like eachother | 12:58 |
| airlied | thats a bit of a problem, as benh is probably the only one that can fix radeonfb.. | 12:59 |
| fabbione | yes it is indeed a problem... | 01:00 |
| fabbione | given that we have only less than a week to get this stuff sorted | 01:01 |
| airlied | can you send me a log file with usefbdev off as well? | 01:03 |
| fabbione | airlied: sure | 01:15 |
| fabbione | in a second | 01:15 |
| fabbione | Xorg.0.log.daltanius.nousefb | 01:18 |
| fabbione | same url as above | 01:18 |
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| airlied | hmm it's hard to decide whether we need to fix radeonfb or the X.org driver using it.. | 01:42 |
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| fabbione | airlied: or revert the drm change... | 01:56 |
| fabbione | at this point in time there is no time to guess.. :/ | 01:56 |
| airlied | fabbione: the drm change fixes a few x86 issues :-) | 01:58 |
| fabbione | and break my laptop... and i hate x86... | 01:58 |
| fabbione | ;) | 01:58 |
| airlied | I'm thinking usefbdev isn't needed for radeon anyways :-) | 01:58 |
| airlied | I think benh recommends against it now.. | 01:58 |
| mjg59 | We could just drop that from dexconf | 02:00 |
| mjg59 | Or hack the driver so it's the default | 02:00 |
| airlied | I need benh to take a look at this , he might know a quick fix.. | 02:00 |
| airlied | from what I can see the drm is just picking some wrong values.. | 02:01 |
| fabbione | i think last time we were talking about making it the default since everybody was turning it on anyway | 02:02 |
| fabbione | iirc | 02:02 |
| fabbione | but that doesn't change the situation as it is now | 02:02 |
| airlied | in theory when you use the old mapping code, the drm operatse the same.. | 02:04 |
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| airlied | bah the codepaths looks the same, but it is getting the fb size wrong on the new DRM for no good reason.. | 02:21 |
| airlied | I know how to punt the problem if that is anygood :-), we can CHIP_NEW_MEMMAP flag to the drm_pciids.h for all those RV350 chips.. | 02:23 |
| airlied | I think that'll stop DRM from getting enable if usefbdev is on.. | 02:23 |
| airlied | could change the message to say either a new X.org DDX or try not using UseFBDev. | 02:23 |
| airlied | I might look into it more tomorrow evening, bed time now, g'night | 02:25 |
| fabbione | airlied: do you have a patch you want me to test? | 02:25 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:25 |
| fabbione | good night :) | 02:25 |
| airlied | fabbione: can you edit kernel sources easy? | 02:25 |
| fabbione | airlied: generally ... | 02:25 |
| fabbione | vim usually works fine :P | 02:25 |
| airlied | in drm_pciids.h just add CHIP_NEW_MEMMAP to the line for your card, 0x1002, 0x4e50 I think.. | 02:26 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:26 |
| airlied | that should stop DRM from working with fbdev I think.. | 02:26 |
| airlied | let me know if it works... l8r/ | 02:26 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:26 |
| fabbione | my card is not there at all :) | 02:27 |
| fabbione | oh never mind | 02:27 |
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| zul | hey | 03:23 |
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| zul | hey fabbione how was the holiday? | 03:25 |
| fabbione | zul: pretty good thanks | 03:25 |
| zul | good to hear | 03:25 |
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| fabbione | BenC: the ubuntu-2.6.git on rookery is .17, right? | 03:53 |
| BenC | right | 03:57 |
| BenC | ubuntu-dapper.git is the one | 03:57 |
| fabbione | yup | 03:58 |
| fabbione | BenC: git pull http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/archives/ubuntu-dapper.git | 04:00 |
| fabbione | tested | 04:00 |
| fabbione | it fixes the crashes for me | 04:00 |
| fabbione | this is a must go in for dapper | 04:00 |
| fabbione | let me talk to mdz too | 04:00 |
| BenC | Put it in your tree and push please | 04:01 |
| BenC | I'll pull and upload | 04:01 |
| fabbione | already done | 04:01 |
| fabbione | it's all there | 04:01 |
| BenC | fabbione: pulling | 04:11 |
| BenC | fabbione: thanks | 04:11 |
| fabbione | thanks | 04:11 |
| fabbione | no problem | 04:11 |
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| zul | BenC: im available later in the week for fatal beatings | 04:28 |
| BenC | ok | 04:28 |
| BenC | sry been missing ya, been way too busy | 04:28 |
| zul | no problems i start the new job tomorrow its a holiday in ontario today | 04:28 |
| fabbione | BenC: | 04:29 |
| fabbione | silo -f | 04:29 |
| fabbione | /etc/silo.conf appears to be valid | 04:29 |
| fabbione | Fatal error: File systems other than ext2, ext3, ufs and romfs not yet supported | 04:29 |
| fabbione | /dev/mapper/root on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) | 04:29 |
| BenC | what fs is it? | 04:29 |
| fabbione | /dev/md0 on /boot type ext3 (rw) | 04:29 |
| fabbione | ext3 | 04:29 |
| fabbione | /dev/md0 228M 14M 203M 7% /boot | 04:29 |
| BenC | md0 for root is probably a bad idea | 04:30 |
| BenC | s/root/boot/ | 04:30 |
| fabbione | it works fine on a 9GB disk | 04:30 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: when you have the time: 10:55 < Mithrandir> BenC: any idea about https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/34643 ? Doesn't the kernel actually lock the drive when mounting something off it? | 04:30 |
| fabbione | it fails here on the 73G | 04:30 |
| fabbione | BenC: but the partition is small and at the beginning of the disk | 04:30 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: ok, checking it | 04:30 |
| fabbione | 8 0 71687369 sda | 04:30 |
| fabbione | 8 1 8032 sda1 | 04:30 |
| fabbione | 8 2 249007 sda2 | 04:30 |
| BenC | fabbione: but it's an md device...I've no idea how silo handles that | 04:31 |
| fabbione | BenC: it works on the 9GB just fine | 04:31 |
| BenC | as an md device? | 04:31 |
| fabbione | it's raid1 device that silo claims to support | 04:31 |
| fabbione | yeps | 04:31 |
| BenC | not sure then | 04:31 |
| fabbione | i take a 9Gb disk with 8M empty -> 128MB md -> /boot -> works | 04:31 |
| fabbione | i am ready to bet that it fails because the partitioner did stop once in the middle of all that mess | 04:33 |
| fabbione | i know at least one user that did install the same and did work | 04:33 |
| BenC | mjg59: Is libata-acpi.c needed with 2.6.17-git? | 04:48 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Probably, but I doubt it'll apply right now | 04:54 |
| BenC | doesn't | 04:54 |
| BenC | is there a libata git I can pull from safely? | 04:54 |
| BenC | the libata suspend/resume stuff in current git supercedes the stuff we had in dapper, right? | 04:55 |
| fabbione | BenC: i think i found the silo bug | 04:57 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: There's stuff we have that isn't in git | 04:58 |
| mjg59 | But I'll need to go over everything to figure out what | 04:58 |
| fabbione | if (lseek (fd, 1024, 0) != 1024 || read (fd, &sb, sizeof (sb)) != sizeof (sb)) | 04:58 |
| fabbione | silo_fatal("Cannot read Super Block!"); | 04:58 |
| fabbione | if (swab16 (sb.s_magic) == EXT2_SUPER_MAGIC) { | 04:58 |
| fabbione | if (fstype == unknownfs) fstype = ext2fs; | 04:58 |
| fabbione | return 1024 << swab32 (sb.s_log_block_size); | 04:58 |
| fabbione | } | 04:58 |
| BenC | mjg59: For now I've reverted 2.6.17 to stock ata code | 04:58 |
| fabbione | this looks like not properly alligned to the disk or something | 04:58 |
| BenC | I've forward ported a couple of things like promise pata support | 04:58 |
| mjg59 | I think we ought to consider jumping to libata pata support | 04:59 |
| mjg59 | It'll be dodgy for a bit, but we'll actually get decent testing of it | 04:59 |
| BenC | mjg59: Agreed, initrd can handle the change (with a long delay) | 05:00 |
| BenC | mjg59: are there any IDE drivers that libata pata doesn't replace? | 05:01 |
| mjg59 | Don't think so, no | 05:02 |
| mjg59 | Possibly some ancient ISA stuff | 05:02 |
| BenC | so we'll just need ide-generic? | 05:04 |
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| mjg59 | Guess so | 05:07 |
| mjg59 | Not sure if that's been ported to libata | 05:07 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: the only way around that is to send an ioctl for the cd device to lock it | 05:13 |
| BenC | CDROM_LOCKDOOR maybe | 05:14 |
| BenC | not sure if that overrides the software eject | 05:15 |
| BenC | it makes it so you can't eject via the button on the drive | 05:15 |
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| rlaager | How is the source for linux-restricted-modules managed? I'm building a modified kernel and I need those modules as well. | 05:56 |
| rlaager | BenC: Are you the guy to ask about linux-restricted-modules? | 06:25 |
| BenC | rlaager: it aint easy | 06:25 |
| BenC | in fact, it's so not easy, I can't really begin to tell you how to do it | 06:25 |
| rlaager | BenC: I don't care about easy. | 06:25 |
| rlaager | I'm building a kernel from the git tree.... | 06:26 |
| BenC | like I said, the package really isn't built with custom kernels in mind :) | 06:26 |
| BenC | are you using a known target? | 06:26 |
| BenC | and did it produce a linux-headers-x.x.x... package? | 06:26 |
| rlaager | I'm not sure what you mean by "known target". | 06:26 |
| BenC | -386, -686, etc. | 06:27 |
| rlaager | -686 at the moment. | 06:27 |
| BenC | then install all the linux-headers-2.6.15-23* packages | 06:27 |
| BenC | install your custom linux-headers package, and rebuild l-r-m just like a normal debian package | 06:28 |
| rlaager | rebuild l-r-m-2.6.15 ? I get the impression the git tree is 2.6.17, from debian/control. | 06:28 |
| BenC | oh, you are using the latest git instead of ubuntu-dapper.git? | 06:29 |
| BenC | then you are out of luck | 06:29 |
| BenC | much of l-r-m doesn't build against it, as I've already found out | 06:29 |
| rlaager | BenC: Yes. Ouch. Hmm. | 06:29 |
| rlaager | Well, in the short term, I just need nvidia and ipw3945. | 06:30 |
| BenC | what modules do you need? | 06:30 |
| BenC | ipw3945 is in the kernel | 06:30 |
| rlaager | but there's a regulatory daemon, though, isn't there? | 06:30 |
| BenC | you can just link ipw3945d-2.6.17-1 to ipw3945d-2.6.15-23 | 06:30 |
| BenC | same daemon | 06:30 |
| BenC | should be in /sbin/ | 06:31 |
| rlaager | k, that'll do for now | 06:31 |
| BenC | nvidia, you can just download their tarball and install | 06:31 |
| rlaager | Alright. Any idea on how long it'll take for that stuff to be working again? Anything specific that I could do to help? | 06:32 |
| rlaager | Or perhaps I should ask about my end goal... I'm trying to build a -xen0 kernel package with the eventual goal of coming up with something acceptable for inclusion in Ubuntu. | 06:33 |
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| zul | BenC: should i email mdy for the xen stuff? | 07:13 |
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| jbailey | zul: For the conference? Yeah. | 07:27 |
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| zul | jbailey: okie dokie | 07:31 |
| zul | jbailey: done | 07:37 |
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| zyga | hello | 07:39 |
| jbailey | =) | 07:39 |
| === zyga will ask once and then make a bug at launchpad | ||
| zyga | I've got pictures of a kernel panic if anyone is interested | 07:39 |
| zyga | on k7 about 3 days ago | 07:39 |
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| zul | heh...star trek 1 is on | 07:49 |
| Keybuk | zul: billshatnertastic | 07:49 |
| zul | Keybuk: exactly.. | 07:50 |
| Keybuk | it suddenly occurs that a duet between Bill Shatner and Tom Jones would be sublime | 07:50 |
| zul | he was ok in over the hedge | 07:50 |
| zul | mr tamborine man was awesome.. | 07:51 |
| Keybuk | common people was fantastic | 07:52 |
| zul | heh.. | 07:52 |
| jbailey | And all that made me think of was William Shatner singing "Major Tom" | 08:02 |
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| bluefoxicy | hmm. | 08:12 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti is busy, I wanted to ask him his thoughts on Edgy. | 08:12 |
| bluefoxicy | But right now he's very busy with dapper and in discussion. :) | 08:12 |
| Keybuk | Edgy is a banned topic on #ubuntu-devel until June 2 | 08:14 |
| bluefoxicy | mmm. | 08:14 |
| bluefoxicy | Like I said, he's massively busy anyway | 08:15 |
| zul | ooh...muppet show is on | 09:29 |
| jbailey | Anyone have an amd64 box handy? | 09:55 |
| zul | not me | 09:55 |
| cjb | jbailey: Yes. | 09:59 |
| jbailey | cjb: Mind doing a test for me? | 10:00 |
| jbailey | #include <stdio.h> | 10:00 |
| jbailey | #include <unistd.h> | 10:00 |
| jbailey | #include <errno.h> | 10:00 |
| jbailey | int | 10:00 |
| jbailey | main () | 10:00 |
| jbailey | { | 10:00 |
| jbailey | nice(-2); | 10:00 |
| jbailey | printf("%d", errno); | 10:00 |
| jbailey | perror(0); | 10:00 |
| jbailey | return 0; | 10:00 |
| jbailey | } | 10:00 |
| jbailey | cjb: Please compile that and run it as a regular user, tell me what you get. | 10:01 |
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| cjb | havoc:cjb~ % ./a.out | 10:01 |
| cjb | 13 | 10:01 |
| cjb | Permission denied | 10:01 |
| cjb | 10:01 | |
| jbailey | cjb: Great. Give me uname -a ? | 10:02 |
| cjb | (32-bit userland, 2.6.15-22-k7.( | 10:02 |
| cjb | Linux havoc 2.6.15-22-k7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 7 17:27:47 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux | 10:02 |
| jbailey | Ah, I need to test this on the amd64 kernel. | 10:02 |
| cjb | Hm? Which? | 10:02 |
| jbailey | That test. | 10:03 |
| cjb | I mean, which kernel. :) | 10:03 |
| jbailey | jbailey@auzura:~$ uname -a | 10:03 |
| jbailey | Linux auzura 2.6.15-22-amd64-k8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun May 7 16:15:46 UTC 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 10:03 |
| jbailey | Would be nice. | 10:03 |
| jbailey | Or -23, I guess is out now. | 10:03 |
| jbailey | I haven't updated that machine yet, | 10:03 |
| cjb | 'kay, can upgrade to that. | 10:05 |
| jbailey | Cool, thanks! | 10:05 |
| cjb | No, I can't. :) I don't see -amd64- kernels available. | 10:07 |
| cjb | Maybe they require 64bit userland? | 10:07 |
| cjb | Yeah, I suppose they're only in the amd64 distro, and I'm using i686. Looks like I can't help; sorry. | 10:09 |
| jbailey | Ah, dunno. | 10:09 |
| jbailey | Thanks, though | 10:09 |
| cjb | Welcome. At least you have a simple test case, should be able to find someone in one of the other channels. | 10:10 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: ok, I thought the kernel did that already. | 10:47 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: It locks the device from unmounting, but that doesn't stop the physical eject with an ioctl, which overrides anything | 10:48 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: 'k, I guess casper should lock the drive, then | 10:48 |
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| zul | why the hell am im watching opra? | 02:17 |
| BenC | because you have no life? :) | 02:44 |
| zul | that must be it | 02:48 |
| zul | its mesmerizing though | 02:48 |
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| fabbione | BenC: <airlied> fabbione: set if for all rv350 to be safe.. <--- | 06:40 |
| fabbione | BenC: the patch i gave to you yesterday | 06:40 |
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| pips1 | hi | 12:21 |
| pips1 | are there any known problems with G5? (yesterday's daily build) | 12:21 |
| pips1 | and if so, what are the symtombs? | 12:21 |
| pips1 | symtoms | 12:21 |
| pips1 | ? | 12:21 |
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| beanz | Where can I find pre-released versions of the ubuntu kernel? | 01:02 |
| mjg59 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 01:03 |
| beanz | Is there not a holding area for the debs before they enter main or updates? | 01:05 |
| mjg59 | No | 01:06 |
| beanz | damn | 01:06 |
| beanz | okay | 01:06 |
| mjg59 | The source gets uploaded, autobuilt and goes into the archive | 01:06 |
| beanz | I see. and the _0 in linux-kernel-di-i386-2.6_0.64ubuntu2.dsc - does it mean current? | 01:09 |
| fabbione | i am afraid you are not looking in the right place | 01:12 |
| beanz | ah. you're right. thanks. | 01:13 |
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| crimsun | BenC: any kernel upload planned prior to final? There are enough HDA ALC* bug reports that I think http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel?cmd=changeset;node=aca7d794a097b9aa64ff7e2d8536586a494c8313;style=gitweb would be worth merging | 09:16 |
| BenC | not before release | 09:17 |
| crimsun | ok, thanks. | 09:17 |
| BenC | mdz is already reaming me for the last one :) | 09:17 |
| crimsun | heh :) | 09:17 |
| BenC | I can squish it in with the first security upload though | 09:17 |
| crimsun | that would be fabulous | 09:18 |
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| zul | heylo | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | olyeh | 11:29 |
| zul | hey Keybuk how is it going? | 11:29 |
| Keybuk | I'm trying to persuade one of my teeth to come loose | 11:29 |
| zul | thats nice | 11:30 |
| Keybuk | and Openoffice only builds if run under strace | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | Keybuk: you're not supposed to lose teeth at such an early age, are you? | 11:30 |
| zul | hehe | 11:30 |
| Keybuk | Mithrandir: it's the one I broke in Kristiansand, if you remember | 11:30 |
| Mithrandir | I don't, but ok. Then it makes sense, or something | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | the shoddy repair job came loose over the weekend and fell out today | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | I should probably just go to the dentist | 11:31 |
| Mithrandir | can't be that shoddy if it held up for two years. | 11:31 |
| Keybuk | true | 11:31 |
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| zul | time for din din | 11:35 |
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| desrt | BenC; thanks a bunch :) | 03:04 |
| BenC | heh, you owe me a beer :) | 03:05 |
| BenC | infinity: ping | 04:35 |
| cjb | Can anyone get in touch with any Ubuntu Summer of Code admins? They're desperately needed to resolve a duplicate with a student being accepted to Ubuntu as well as another org. | 04:43 |
| BenC | try -devel? | 04:46 |
| cjb | Don't think we've had any luck there, will try again. | 04:46 |
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| foogle | I got a Kernel panic my install cd wont work anymore I think it has some thing to do with segmentation | 05:56 |
| crimsun | foogle: do you have a recent dapper live cd ? | 05:58 |
| foogle | Is dapper 5.10? | 05:58 |
| crimsun | no, that's breezy. | 05:58 |
| crimsun | you probably want to migrate this question back to #ubuntu | 05:59 |
| foogle | oh ok | 05:59 |
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| infinity | BenC: pon? | 11:01 |
| infinity | g | 11:01 |
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| RandolphCarter | is there any chance of reverting the changes made to the sky2 module in 2.6.15-23? (afaik they weren't bugfixes, and they've broken networking here) | 02:17 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:30 |
| BenC | infinity: Trying to get lrm building with 2.6.17 | 02:32 |
| BenC | infinity: It fails in the ati module build, for some reason it's trying to symlink Makefile.lib.c to scripts/Makefile.lib.c and build Makefile.lib.o in the linux-headers directory...any idea why? | 02:33 |
| BenC | lamont: in regards to the ia64 acpi crash on boot, my i2k started showing it, so it's a problem that just started showing up | 02:34 |
| BenC | lamont: good news is, the 2.6.17 kernel boots fine | 02:34 |
| zul | BenC: do you want to do some training on thursday night? | 02:38 |
| BenC | RandolphCarter: actually they were bug fixes | 02:38 |
| BenC | zul: tomorrow night sounds good | 02:38 |
| zul | cool...because lost is on tonight | 02:39 |
| RandolphCarter | BenC: ah :/ I've filed a bug (#46326), but they've broken net here, and they were introduced the day the kernel was frozen :/ (doh?) | 02:39 |
| BenC | RandolphCarter: We had some 10-15 bug reports on sky2 prior to that update...it fixed some of those | 02:51 |
| BenC | most are still broken | 02:51 |
| RandolphCarter | ah :/ I'm about to try amd64, failing that, can you point me to any archives that still have the -22 rev? | 02:51 |
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| RandolphCarter | and there it goes :( sorry, if you answered that, could you send it again? | 02:54 |
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| infinity | BenC: No idea, TBH... I don't have the time to look at it. | 02:55 |
| infinity | BenC: But you're adopting it anyway, right? :) | 02:55 |
| BenC | yeah, I'm getting it ready for edgy...just wondering if you had seen this failure before :) | 02:56 |
| BenC | so far I have 2.6.17 building on all 6 arch's, and booting on ia64, amd64, ppc and i386 | 02:57 |
| infinity | Sweet. | 02:58 |
| infinity | So, we'll have the first 2.6.17 upload on June 2? | 03:02 |
| infinity | Oh, while you're doing LRM prep, "rm -rf madwifi madwifi-ng && svn co <latest madwifi-ng HEAD> madwifi" | 03:04 |
| infinity | I can do that on June 2, though. :) | 03:04 |
| BenC | yeah, it'll be uploaded the day edgyi is opened hopefully | 03:07 |
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| BenC | mjg59: Is something supposed to replace wlan-ng? | 03:42 |
| BenC | the prism stuff isn't compiling well with 2.6.17 :/ | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | No idea | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | It shouldn't be too hard to fix up | 03:42 |
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| BenC | it's actually pretty horrible | 03:45 |
| BenC | for some reason it has a lot of depency loops for include/prims2/*.h headers...not hard but tedious | 03:46 |
| BenC | not sure why it's showing up now :/ | 03:46 |
| BenC | *depndency | 03:46 |
| desrt | BenC; agreed. | 03:46 |
| BenC | doesn't hostap take care of most of prism2? | 03:46 |
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| mjg59 | Not USB | 03:54 |
| BenC | prims2_pci only had one id that hostap_pci didn't handle | 03:56 |
| BenC | copied that | 03:56 |
| BenC | prims2_cs had all the id's commented out, so seems like it was never any use in dapper | 03:56 |
| BenC | same for plx | 03:57 |
| BenC | I'll see if I can just enable usb | 03:57 |
| lamont | BenC: I tracked down which change (pair) caused it, back in the -15 to -16 transition (on zx2000). Or are you saying that the i2k is still failing even with ACPI_DEBUG turned on? | 04:23 |
| BenC | lamont: was failing for me | 04:24 |
| fabbione | lamont: ACPI_DEBUG is good for me | 04:24 |
| BenC | irq 39: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option) | 04:24 |
| BenC | I still get that on ia64 | 04:24 |
| BenC | wait, I haven't tested if 2.6.15 boots on it now that ACPI_DEBUG is enabled | 04:24 |
| lamont | BenC: starting with -16 it quit booting unless ACPI_DEBUG is on to mask whatever the real problem is | 04:25 |
| BenC | ah | 04:25 |
| BenC | lamont: do you know why hppa would give me a bad reloc entry when it tries to load a kernel module with 2.6.17? | 04:37 |
| BenC | I reverted all of parisc to stock code | 04:37 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's probably the 17bit jmp limit? | 04:37 |
| BenC | it fails to load jbd.ko, which as you can imagine makes things pretty hard to boot | 04:37 |
| fabbione | that would be a toolchain issue | 04:37 |
| BenC | didn't have it on 2.6.15 | 04:37 |
| BenC | odd that it would show up now | 04:38 |
| fabbione | is jbd.ko in .17 bigger? | 04:38 |
| fabbione | or is it of the same size? | 04:38 |
| lamont | BenC: there's a, um, feature in ld -r | 04:38 |
| lamont | it creates unlinkable .o files under some circumstances | 04:38 |
| BenC | crappy...I've built it 4 times and it's always the same thing in jbd.ko :( | 04:39 |
| BenC | I need to get the exact failure for you | 04:39 |
| lamont | if it has the number 17 in the reloc name, that's the bug | 04:39 |
| BenC | rebooting now... | 04:40 |
| BenC | Module jbd, symbol journal_destroy_caches is out of range for PCREL22F relocation | 04:43 |
| fabbione | yeps | 04:43 |
| BenC | journal_destroy_caches is a static function | 04:43 |
| fabbione | BenC: it's the 17bit issue | 04:44 |
| BenC | how can I workaround it? | 04:44 |
| fabbione | fixing the toolchain | 04:44 |
| BenC | I want all my machines booting 2.6.17 by the end of the week :) | 04:44 |
| fabbione | kile has been working on it for a while without success | 04:44 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:19 |
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| zul | BenC__: around? | 02:48 |
| BenC | yeah | 02:48 |
| BenC | got your email, 8pm sounds good | 02:48 |
| zul | goodie..i would have been available last night but you know lost was on.. | 02:48 |
| zul | priorities ;) | 02:48 |
| BenC | hehe | 02:49 |
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| zul | meh.. | 03:32 |
| Keybuk | BenC: ping | 03:53 |
| BenC | Keybuk: pong | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | BenC: so sendfile64 appears busted | 03:54 |
| Keybuk | on AMD64, doing sendfile() with >2GB returns -EINVAL | 03:54 |
| BenC | hmm | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | fwict. sendfile() on AMD64 == sys_sendfile64 | 03:55 |
| infinity | It's been busted for ages on 2.6 kernels, from what I can tell. | 03:58 |
| infinity | Last time I tested all this was on 2.4 | 03:58 |
| infinity | Silly me. | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | it's not unique to our kernel either, Debian are busted too | 03:58 |
| infinity | No, it's upstream. I found some stuff about it from Linus in the 2.5.x days. | 03:58 |
| infinity | it was intentionally broken, but was also meant to be reimplemented and fixed. | 03:59 |
| infinity | I guess the latter part never happened. | 03:59 |
| BenC | wonder why it's broken on say amd64 and not things like ppc64 and sparc64 | 04:02 |
| BenC | duh, they are 32bit userspace | 04:02 |
| infinity | Ed zachary. | 04:03 |
| BenC | still, you would think on 64-bit userspace, sys_sendfile() itself would support > 2G files | 04:03 |
| infinity | Well, that's not fair, actually. sendfile64() seems to be universally broken on at least all 64-bit kernels. | 04:03 |
| infinity | It's not the userspace that matters, afaict from my reading. | 04:04 |
| infinity | Anyhow, trivial to workaround in the one application where we seem to care. Just wish this had been noticed a few months ago. | 04:04 |
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| infinity | BenC: Why did my burner decide to statr flaking out with the latest kernel? :) | 05:08 |
| infinity | sr 1:0:0:0: Device not ready | 05:08 |
| infinity | (over and over again) | 05:08 |
| BenC | infinity: murphy :/ | 05:09 |
| infinity | I'll blame him until further evidence makes it your fault. >) | 05:09 |
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| jcole | if someone has time, kernel build help please -> http://pastebin.com/737508 | 07:44 |
| jcole | i don't need the udebs either | 07:46 |
| jcole | is there a way to disable them? | 07:46 |
| jcole | i want to bump the ABI version, so the users i'm providing these kernels too, don't accidentally get upgraded to a stock dapper kernel | 07:48 |
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| jcole | :/ nothing useful for me | 07:55 |
| jcole | got it | 08:16 |
| jcole | i think i need to change these files -> ./debian/config/amd64/config,./debian/config/hppa/config,./debian/config/i386/config,./debian/config/ia64/config,./debian/config/powerpc/config,./debian/config/sparc/config | 08:17 |
| crimsun | see the abi hints in debian/rules | 09:24 |
| zul | BenC: we still ok for tonight? | 10:29 |
| zul | bbl,, | 10:38 |
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| jcole | crimsun: i don't understand | 12:12 |
| jcole | crimsun: i'm in debian/rules right now | 12:13 |
| jcole | crimsun: i want to recompile using a certain .config | 12:13 |
| jcole | crimsun: isn't there a maintainers guide/readme/doc/howto for this? | 12:14 |
| crimsun | jcole: not that I know of. BenC could give you the rundown for bumping the ABI. | 12:22 |
| jcole | crimsun: i've got the ABI bumped, need to add REGPARM=y to all kernel configs | 12:24 |
| jcole | crimsun: how does one enable one kernel option? | 12:26 |
| jcole | crimsun: i have to recompile and provide all kernels with this one flag enabled | 12:26 |
| jcole | crimsun: i've compile twice and it keeps generating .config files with REGPARM disabled | 12:27 |
| jcole | crimsun: i tried to add a .config file to the source dir, tried to edit debian/config/i386/config, and tried to edit arch/i386/Kconfig... nothing is working | 12:29 |
| crimsun | what did you edit in debian/config/i386/config? | 12:30 |
| crimsun | "CONFIG_REGPARM=y" ? | 12:30 |
| jcole | crimsun: CONFIG_REGPARM | 12:30 |
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| jcole | yes | 12:31 |
| jcole | do i need to run a "special command" or something? | 12:32 |
| jcole | lol | 12:32 |
| crimsun | jcole: no idea, ping Ben for that | 12:33 |
| jcole | maybe a --compile-with-my-damn-config option | 12:33 |
| jcole | it takes hours and hours to compile all these... this really sucks | 12:36 |
| jcole | holy mother of gawd | 12:37 |
| jcole | it's working now | 12:37 |
| jcole | $ grep REGP ./debian/build/build-386/.config | 12:37 |
| jcole | CONFIG_REGPARM=y | 12:37 |
| jcole | *sigh* FINALLY | 12:38 |
| jcole | :) | 12:38 |
| jcole | if people really want these kernels, i'm going to make each and everyone install distcc | 12:39 |
| lifeless | clearly you should embed distcc in the kernel | 12:55 |
| jcole | lifeless: good point | 12:56 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:20 |
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| zul | BenC: hey | 01:58 |
| BenC | hey, might have to delay this a bit more | 01:58 |
| BenC | tracking down this damn squashfs bug | 01:58 |
| zul | ok no problem | 01:58 |
| zul | tomorrow same bat channel same bat place? | 01:59 |
| zul | oh yay...charlie's angel's is on | 02:04 |
| zul | having fun yet BenC | 03:27 |
| BenC | not really | 03:28 |
| BenC | yeah, tomorrow night should be good | 03:29 |
| zul | heh ok | 03:34 |
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| zul | that was weird my swap was not acitviated | 03:39 |
| crimsun | failed resume from hibernation in the past? | 03:40 |
| zul | nah...it just wasnt formatted or activated | 03:53 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:56 |
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| zul | BenC: i should be home around 8:30 tonight | 03:35 |
| pips1 | Hi, booting dapper rc hangs on a new imac (G5), I tried live cd's of both kubuntu and edubuntu flavors. Have other users reported problems with G5 processors? | 03:47 |
| fabbione | pips1: afaik the new imac g5 support has been added to the kernel only recently | 03:48 |
| fabbione | i think it requires at least .16 if not .17 | 03:48 |
| pips1 | ic | 03:48 |
| fabbione | and the backport is not possible. | 03:48 |
| fabbione | the code has been ported to .16 for a distro and it resulted in a very unstable environment | 03:49 |
| fabbione | pips1: anyway edgy will open very soon with .17 | 03:49 |
| pips1 | right | 03:49 |
| fabbione | question of 2/3 weeks max | 03:49 |
| pips1 | :) | 03:49 |
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| pips1 | fabbione, thanks for info | 03:53 |
| fabbione | no problem | 03:53 |
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| archis_ | Hi - I get fs-related error messages when mounting ext3 partitions via USB in dapper. | 04:11 |
| archis_ | See http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14672 | 04:11 |
| archis_ | syslog: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14673 | 04:11 |
| fabbione | archis_: did you actually umount them before fsck? | 04:14 |
| fabbione | May 26 15:38:44 localhost kernel: [4303502.447000] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds | 04:15 |
| fabbione | May 26 15:38:44 localhost kernel: [4303502.447000] EXT3 FS on sda2, internal journal | 04:15 |
| fabbione | May 26 15:38:44 localhost kernel: [4303502.447000] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. | 04:15 |
| fabbione | May 26 15:38:44 localhost kernel: [4303502.463000] kjournald starting. Commit interval 5 seconds | 04:15 |
| fabbione | May 26 15:38:44 localhost kernel: [4303502.463000] EXT3 FS on sda5, internal journal | 04:15 |
| fabbione | May 26 15:38:44 localhost kernel: [4303502.463000] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. | 04:15 |
| fabbione | this clearly shows that the devices have been mounted properly | 04:15 |
| archis_ | fabbione, yes they mount fine but fsck.ext3 complains during boot and drops me into a shell | 04:15 |
| fabbione | can you show me fstab? | 04:16 |
| archis_ | just a s ec | 04:16 |
| fabbione | sure | 04:16 |
| archis_ | fabbione, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14674 | 04:17 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ^^^this is udev/mount race condition i am afraid | 04:18 |
| fabbione | archis_: thanks. | 04:18 |
| Keybuk | USB drive not mounted by fstab? | 04:18 |
| fabbione | yup | 04:18 |
| archis_ | fabbione, welcome | 04:18 |
| fabbione | and it's not even root | 04:18 |
| Keybuk | Known, solution "DON'T DO THAT THEN" | 04:18 |
| fabbione | it's just a media | 04:19 |
| Keybuk | the edgy solution is to get rid of checkfs/checkroot/mountall entirely, and do all fsck and mount calls from udev rules | 04:19 |
| archis_ | fabbione, Keybuk ..any suggestions? | 04:20 |
| fabbione | that's going to fail with SAN systems and multipath with hotstandby disks | 04:20 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: no, it only fails on USB drives that I know of | 04:20 |
| Keybuk | because they take so damned long to initialise | 04:20 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: nope.. it will fail also on SAN with multipath | 04:20 |
| fabbione | i can explain you why | 04:20 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i assume you are familiar with internet routing? | 04:21 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: I used to work for an ISP | 04:21 |
| fabbione | to be able to read a traceroute at least | 04:21 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:21 |
| fabbione | well just to make sure :) | 04:21 |
| fabbione | imagine host A and B | 04:21 |
| fabbione | routers C D E F | 04:21 |
| fabbione | A is connected to C and D | 04:21 |
| Keybuk | archis_: echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="block", ACTION=="add", NAME=="sd[a-z] [0-9] *", RUN+="mount %k"' >> /etc/udev/rules.d/88-mount.rules | 04:21 |
| fabbione | C is connected to E and F | 04:22 |
| fabbione | D is connected to E F | 04:22 |
| fabbione | E and F are connected to B | 04:22 |
| Keybuk | archis_: though that won't give you fsck ... which might be a problem | 04:22 |
| fabbione | so you have N paths to get there | 04:22 |
| archis_ | Keybuk, thanks :-) | 04:22 |
| fabbione | now.. in a SAN system... | 04:22 |
| fabbione | A is the host | 04:22 |
| fabbione | C and D two FC-HBA controllers | 04:22 |
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| fabbione | E and F 2 SAN controllers | 04:22 |
| fabbione | B the disk | 04:23 |
| fabbione | A will see B as sda sdb sdc sdd | 04:23 |
| fabbione | if you try to fsck them in parallel you will doom the FS on the disk | 04:23 |
| fabbione | alsp | 04:23 |
| fabbione | usually 2 paths are active | 04:23 |
| fabbione | and that's ok acces | 04:23 |
| archis_ | I can boot into USB from second grub located on the USB itself for occasional filechecking, no? | 04:23 |
| fabbione | access | 04:23 |
| fabbione | 2 of them are kept hot-stsandby | 04:23 |
| fabbione | that means if you try to access them you will get errors | 04:24 |
| fabbione | like real scsi errors | 04:24 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: I think you've wandered from the point ? | 04:24 |
| fabbione | if you do the fsck the way you describe it, it will fail the boot and possibly corrupt the FS if it starts in parallel | 04:24 |
| Keybuk | or I'm not following | 04:24 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: the SAN doesn't support parallel fsck? | 04:24 |
| fabbione | the SAN has nothing to do with the FS you run on top :) | 04:25 |
| Keybuk | ie. simultaneous fsck of different exposed DRIVES ? | 04:25 |
| Keybuk | sda == a device | 04:25 |
| fabbione | SAN exports a block device | 04:25 |
| fabbione | not a FS | 04:25 |
| Keybuk | this is all besides the point | 04:25 |
| fabbione | or N block devices.. but one is enough for our example | 04:25 |
| Keybuk | let's get back to the "will a SAN mount today" issue | 04:25 |
| fabbione | i am not talking about mounting.. | 04:26 |
| Keybuk | does the SAN driver return from _init before it has discovered and created the block devices in the kernel? | 04:26 |
| fabbione | <Keybuk> the edgy solution is to get rid of checkfs/checkroot/mountall entirely, and do all fsck and mount calls from udev rules | 04:26 |
| Keybuk | what are you talking about then? | 04:26 |
| fabbione | ^^ i am talking about this for edgy | 04:26 |
| Keybuk | right, I don't see why that is bad | 04:26 |
| fabbione | it works in dapper now.. so that's no problem | 04:26 |
| Keybuk | if you can't fsck the block device, then it won't work today | 04:26 |
| fabbione | because you can start 2 fsck on the same disk at the same time? | 04:26 |
| Keybuk | then it won't work today | 04:27 |
| fabbione | on a SAN you rarely use the sdX devices | 04:27 |
| fabbione | you slam a multipath tools on top that abstract the sdX to a single device that you mount | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | in edgy we'll be able to explicitly exclude SAN devices that won't let you do that | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | so I don't see the problem | 04:27 |
| fabbione | well you didn't say that before and i got worried :) | 04:27 |
| Keybuk | if you don't use /dev/sdX then it won't be in /etc/fstab, no? :) | 04:28 |
| fabbione | also remember that usually SAN devices are recognized by uuid | 04:28 |
| fabbione | true that too | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | udev will only be calling fsck + mount for something in /etc/fstab | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | ie. replacing mountall | 04:28 |
| fabbione | assuming that your box is fully redundant | 04:28 |
| fabbione | there are still corner cases where we want to offer the blacklist | 04:28 |
| Keybuk | yeah, we can blacklist with udev -- is easy | 04:28 |
| fabbione | perfect | 04:28 |
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| Keybuk | anyway, archis_'s problem is a known one | 04:29 |
| Keybuk | it's not "solvable" today | 04:29 |
| archis_ | Keybuk, I had no problem with fsck checking sda on breezy - why do I have it now? | 04:32 |
| Keybuk | archis_: you actually did ... breezy just took longer to boot | 04:32 |
| Keybuk | oh, wait | 04:33 |
| Keybuk | no, that's right | 04:33 |
| Keybuk | breezy took longer to get from S04udev to S30checkfs.sh | 04:33 |
| Keybuk | (though how /dev/sdaX got created without the modules being loaded by hotplug I have no idea :p) | 04:34 |
| Keybuk | did you put anything in /etc/modules ? | 04:34 |
| archis_ | nope | 04:34 |
| archis_ | no udev rules either | 04:35 |
| Keybuk | magic :p | 04:35 |
| archis_ | I have an ancient syslog somewhere that I can paste if you're interested | 04:35 |
| Keybuk | syslog doesn't help | 04:36 |
| Keybuk | all this happens wayyy before that daemon is started ;) | 04:36 |
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| dilinger | i go to packages.ubuntu.com/nagios, and get prompted for a username/passwd | 05:02 |
| fabbione | dilinger: we hate you :P | 05:03 |
| dilinger | guess i'll have to backport nagios2 to dapper | 05:04 |
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| BenC | infinity: ping | 07:59 |
| zul | BenC: i should be home around 8:30 tonight we can do it then if you want | 08:04 |
| doko | BenC: is there an easy way to turn of hyperthreading/smp in the kernels? | 09:29 |
| BenC | doko: # CONFIG_SMP is not set | 09:40 |
| BenC | in the debian/config/$arch/config.$flavour of your choice | 09:41 |
| doko | well, but hyperthreading is turned on | 09:41 |
| doko | BenC: no boot option to turn these off? | 09:42 |
| fabbione | doko: ht=on | 09:48 |
| fabbione | off= | 09:48 |
| fabbione | ht is disabled by default iirc | 09:48 |
| fabbione | because of the hw bug | 09:49 |
| fabbione | SMP ... hmmm | 09:49 |
| fabbione | somehting like smppersonality=off | 09:49 |
| fabbione | or smp=off | 09:49 |
| BenC | nosmp on the command line | 09:51 |
| doko | fabbione, BenC: ht is on by default, so ht=off should work ... | 09:53 |
| BenC | yeah, ht=off nosmp | 09:53 |
| BenC | that should do it | 09:53 |
| fabbione | ok | 09:54 |
| fabbione | i am ogg | 09:54 |
| fabbione | off | 09:54 |
| fabbione | good night | 09:54 |
| BenC | good night fabio | 09:55 |
| zul | im heading home as well ill talk to you later BenC | 09:56 |
| BenC | later zul | 09:56 |
| doko | BenC, Mithrandir: booting using ht=off, the boot hangs mounting the root file system: IOAPIC[0] : Invalid reference to IRQ 0 | 10:00 |
| BenC | what is this on? | 10:01 |
| doko | P4 with hyperthreading | 10:01 |
| BenC | some systems have to have SMP/ioapci enabled, and wont work otherwise | 10:01 |
| BenC | ioapic | 10:01 |
| doko | ok, removing nosmp lets the boot succeed | 10:03 |
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| doko | fabbione, BenC: ht=off doesn't work | 10:06 |
| BenC | I really thought ht was off by default because of a security errata | 10:07 |
| doko | no, /proc/cpuinfo still shows two CPUs | 10:09 |
| jcol1 | doko: that doesn't work for me neither | 10:13 |
| BenC | else if (!memcmp(from, "ht=on", 5)) | 10:13 |
| BenC | disable_ht = 0; | 10:13 |
| BenC | else if (!memcmp(from, "ht=off", 6)) | 10:13 |
| BenC | disable_ht = 1; | 10:13 |
| BenC | should work | 10:14 |
| BenC | anything in dmesg about ht? | 10:14 |
| doko | ok, it's disabled, but it still finds two CPU's. strange ... | 10:18 |
| doko | BenC: ^^^ | 10:18 |
| BenC | I think it always scans all of them when in that mode | 10:36 |
| BenC | it just may only use the one | 10:36 |
| doko | $ getconf _NPROCESSORS_ONLN | 10:43 |
| doko | 1 | 10:43 |
| BenC | sweet | 10:50 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:53 |
| zul | BenC: yo | 02:33 |
| BenC | zul: Hey, give me a couple of minutes | 02:40 |
| zul | sure | 02:40 |
| zul | firg...my eye hurts.. | 02:55 |
| BenC | zul: email address? | 02:57 |
| zul | zulcss@gmail.com | 02:57 |
| zul | *sigh* you dont know it yet? :) | 02:58 |
| BenC | I'm as bad with email addresses as I am with names | 02:58 |
| BenC | that's why I like IRC, you see the persons name whenever they speak :) | 02:58 |
| zul | im worse with names, better with email addresses | 02:58 |
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| infinity | BenC: Pong? | 07:39 |
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| davyd | is there much time for bug fixing before the Dapper release? | 08:40 |
| davyd | 42258 would be very, very handy | 08:40 |
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| davyd | (oops, wrong button) | 08:42 |
| fabbione | davyd: no time at all | 08:42 |
| davyd | fabbione: that's a damned shame, because this bug is going to break every single one of our desktops at work | 08:43 |
| crimsun | (I'm not sure if infinity asked about newer Nvidia drivers) | 08:43 |
| davyd | and shoots my attempt at an Ubuntu migration (from Fedora) | 08:43 |
| fabbione | davyd: it is already proposed as update | 08:44 |
| fabbione | it might happen shortly after release | 08:44 |
| davyd | ok | 08:44 |
| davyd | I've got my kernel packages here on hold | 08:44 |
| davyd | it doesn't seem to affect you until you start twinview, so I suppose I'll just have to run updates first | 08:45 |
| davyd | once it lands | 08:45 |
| infinity | davyd: I'm pushing to get it fixed before release, so the new drivers ar on the CD, but if not, it'll happen shortly after release. | 08:54 |
| davyd | ok | 08:54 |
| davyd | that's excellent news | 08:55 |
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| archis_ | I see fabbione is not around... | 01:01 |
| archis_ | Just to follow up on Keybuk's udev rule for the udev/mount race condition on my system | 01:03 |
| archis_ | It sort of confuses things - screenshot: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14722 | 01:04 |
| archis_ | (fstab here) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14674 | 01:05 |
| archis_ | and I'm still being dropped into a shell at boot like so.. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14672 | 01:06 |
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| zul | heyl0 | 02:55 |
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