[12:05] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[12:05] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 18:00: Community Council
[06:56] <ferronica> hi room
[06:56] <ferronica> any one tell me how to creat shortcut of home folder on desktop???
[06:58] <ferronica> HELP ME
[09:45] <raphink> @schedule paris
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 18:00: Community Council
[05:00] <freeflying> @schedule Shanghai
[05:00] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 23 May 05:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 04:00: Technical Board | 24 May 21:30: Xubuntu | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 00:00: Community Council
[08:49] <Lure> @schedule Ljubljana
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Ljubljana: 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 18:00: Community Council
[08:59] <sivang> re all
[09:27] <siretart> @schedule Berlin
[09:27] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 18:00: Community Council
[09:41] <sladen> @schedule Mexico
[09:41] <sladen> @schedule Mexico City
[09:41] <sladen> @schedule Mexico City
[10:44] <BlueT_> @schedule Taipei
[10:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Asia/Taipei: 23 May 05:00: Kubuntu | 24 May 04:00: Technical Board | 24 May 21:30: Xubuntu | 25 May 04:00: Edubuntu | 26 May 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 31 May 00:00: Community Council
[10:49] <comm[A|n] der> @schedule berlin
[10:49] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 22 May 23:00: Kubuntu | 23 May 22:00: Technical Board | 24 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 22:00: Edubuntu | 25 May 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 30 May 18:00: Community Council
[11:00] <kwwii> hi
[11:01] <allee> kwwii: hi
[11:02] <Lure> hi allee & kwwii
[11:02] <`6og> hi mob
[11:02] <Riddell> I think I woke hobbsee up 
[11:03] <kwwii> a sonar ping over the internet?
[11:03] <`6og> Riddell: <grin>
[11:03] <imbrandon> lol @ Riddell 
[11:04] <`6og> imbrandon: what time is it?
[11:04] <`6og> *there
[11:04] <allee> imbrandon: wher to you life?
[11:04] <imbrandon> 4pm localtim BUT i work overnights
[11:04] <linuxmonkey> what time is the meeting starting at?
[11:04] <`6og> imbrandon: heh. 6.30 am here
[11:05] <m-onkey> 23:05 here...
[11:05] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: waiting on hobbsee
[11:05] <allee> linuxmonkey: 4 min ago ;)
[11:05] <Riddell> ah hah :)
[11:05] <`6og> hey Hobbsee :)
[11:05] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee 
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hello...
[11:05] <linuxmonkey> lmao
[11:05] <Hobbsee> skype sucks :P
[11:05] <Riddell> lets start with who we are
[11:05] <linuxmonkey> lol
[11:05] <allee> tata!
[11:06] <klichota> klichota is Krzysztof Lichota
[11:06] <Riddell> so this is our first meeting with a kubuntu council, who are me, toma, Hobbsee, allee 
[11:06] <Riddell> doesn't seem like raphink or tonio are around
[11:06] <Hobbsee> oh wow, so i really did need to be here
[11:07] <Hobbsee> they'll probably come
[11:07] <Riddell> agenda at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[11:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: your item first
[11:07] <Hobbsee> wha?  i have an item?
[11:07] <Riddell> according to the agenda you do
[11:07] <Hobbsee> can we switch back to me when i'm slightly mroe awake?
[11:07] <Riddell> sure
[11:07] <Riddell> members!
[11:08] <Riddell> imbrandon: seems you're first
[11:08] <imbrandon> I dont have a long into but , I help alot on irc and learing to MOTU for kde
[11:08] <Riddell> imbrandon: care to introduce yourself
[11:08] <imbrandon> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/imbrandon
[11:08] <imbrandon> intro*
[11:09] <crimsun> I can, of course, vouch for imbrandon taking an active role in universe-fixing for 6.06
[11:10] <imbrandon> ;) bddebian has uploaded a few for me also
[11:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with a brick :P
[11:10] <allee> bddebian: you're here?
[11:10] <Riddell> ok, I've got it now
[11:10] <bddebian> Aye, I can speak for imbrandon.  Though I am not directly involved in kubuntu :-)
[11:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: I don't think we've spoken much, how long have you been around #kubuntu-devel
[11:11] <Riddell> crimsun, bddebian: what kind of stuff has he been doing?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh, so you did fix kvirc - thanks
[11:11] <imbrandon> about 3 months now
[11:11] <allee> bddebian: no problem ;)
[11:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he's more in -motu - i've worked with him with the dh_iconcache fixes
[11:11] <imbrandon> motly motu and #kubuntu irc stuff ;)
[11:11] <bddebian> Aye dh_iconcache uploads
[11:11] <Riddell> imbrandon: what have you been doing in #kubuntu?
[11:12] <imbrandon> general help , like install problems and setting up restricted formats for people
[11:12] <Riddell> imbrandon: you're not an op are you?
[11:12] <imbrandon> gerearly helping the new people with thinga like sudo understanding and such
[11:12] <imbrandon> Riddell, not as of yet no
[11:12] <Riddell> well, we can fix that
[11:13] <imbrandon> but i'm in #kubuntu and #kubuntu-offtopic about 6 houtrs a day on avarage
[11:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: what did you fix for kvirc?
[11:13] <Riddell> imbrandon: what kind of stuff happens in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> fortunately, there doesnt seem much op'ing in kubuntu needed - which is good - #ubuntu is enough!
[11:13] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, was having trubble getting it to compile with the dh_iconcache
[11:13] <Riddell> hi Tonio_, we're discussing membership for imbrandon 
[11:13] <Tonio_> I'm sorry to be so late.... hello everyone
[11:13] <Red-Sox> Riddell: I'm on #kubuntu-offtopic quite often
[11:13] <Tonio_> I'm just out of work....
[11:14] <allee> Red-Sox: anything you can say about imbrandon?
[11:14] <Red-Sox> allee: He helps out a lot for us newbies :P
[11:14] <imbrandon> as i said i'm on irc helping arround 6 hours a day , mostly overnights CDT ( 6pm to about 4am )
[11:14] <allee> Red-Sox: cool.  this needs lot's of patience
[11:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: will you be able to help us with the RC and final release at all?
[11:14] <imbrandon> yes
[11:15] <Riddell> excellent :)
[11:15] <imbrandon> i'm here for the long haul ;)
[11:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon tends to be one of the few people that helps around in #kubuntu - the ratio of newbies to people who know what they're talking about is very high
[11:15] <`6og> imbrandon: CDT?
[11:15] <Lure> imbrandon: you mention forums contributions - but link does not work
[11:15] <`6og> Hobbsee: agreed
[11:15] <Hobbsee> it's getting hard to get an answer in #kubuntu actually - i'll answer if i see it, and it's not too late for me to make sense...but i see questions go unanswered a lot
[11:16] <imbrandon> lure, very few honestly ( there are only 3 post where i helped on the forums , but i couldent get the link working correct )
[11:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: is that ubuntu forums or kubuntuforums.net?
[11:16] <allee> Lure: afaiu you need an account there
[11:16] <imbrandon> i dident know about kubuntuforums.net ;)
[11:16] <imbrandon> or else i would have ( and wll from now on ) be there
[11:17] <Riddell> imbrandon: how active are the kubuntu parts of ubuntu forums?
[11:17] <imbrandon> very
[11:17] <Riddell> good to know
[11:17] <imbrandon> new post ever few minutes
[11:17] <imbrandon> even over night
[11:17] <kwwii> hehe, night for who?
[11:17] <kwwii> :-)
[11:17] <imbrandon> alot on xgl stuff and kde actualy ;)
[11:17] <Riddell> well I've not heard much involvement from imbrandon before but what I'm hearing here is good and the testimonials are all positive
[11:18] <Riddell> so I think a +1 from me
[11:18] <toma> imbrandon: fubuntu-desktop?
[11:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, and he also did a quite interesting bunch of patches
[11:18] <Riddell> any other questions/votes from council members?
[11:18] <Lure> I think we need more people to help newbies in irc and forums - thsi is where Kubuntu is lacking
[11:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what are your plans for edgy?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> Lure: +25
[11:19] <allee> many others supported him.  +1 from me too. 
[11:19] <Tonio_> +1 for me although I wasn't here at the begening
[11:19] <kwwii> I know that the few questions I asked there were not properly answered
[11:19] <Hobbsee> that's quorum, but i'd like the questions answered
[11:19] <kwwii> so good people are needed in this respect
[11:19] <Hobbsee> sorry, was a bit too asleep before
[11:20] <crimsun> Riddell: (sorry, phone conference) mainly bugfixes ranging from .desktop to merges from upstream
[11:20] <crimsun> Riddell: plays well with others (team player), quick learner, quick to ask questions
[11:20] <allee> Hobbsee: quote the questions 
[11:20] <Riddell> imbrandon: any plans for edgy?  can I put you on my list of people to throw packaging problems at?
[11:20] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ust a little question : what are your eventual projects for future contribution ?
[11:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, definatly
[11:21] <imbrandon> i plan on being very active in edgy and kde4
[11:21] <toma> lets do one question at a time
[11:21] <imbrandon> Tonio_,  i plan on concentrating on kde ( qt4 patches ) but i also lkike to look on malone and help where i can
[11:22] <imbrandon> while ideling on irc heling new people
[11:22] <Tonio_> imbrandon: great
[11:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee, toma: time to vote I think
[11:22] <toma> imbrandon: are you active for more then two months?
[11:22] <imbrandon> toma about 3+ now 
[11:22] <toma> imbrandon: did you sign the code of conduct?
[11:23] <imbrandon> yes sir
[11:23] <toma> imbrandon: what are your plans with fubuntu-desktop ?
[11:23] <Riddell> fubuntu-desktop?
[11:23] <imbrandon> it is just in VERY drafting right now but its mainly for my older systems ( 300mhx ) fluxbox desktop
[11:24] <Riddell> ah, right
[11:24] <imbrandon> Riddell, its a spec i submitted a few months ago
[11:24] <toma> imbrandon: good, that will run on my tungsten ;-)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> +1 from the stuff i see in -motu - i'd like to see you in #k-devel though :)
[11:24] <toma> +1 for me
[11:24] <imbrandon> mostly submitted the spec becouse there wasent cohesion in the ubuntu-lite area
[11:25] <imbrandon> to kinda bring those guys togather
[11:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, will do ( #k-devel )
[11:25] <Riddell> seems like +1s all around
[11:25] <Riddell> thanks for taking the grilling imbrandon and congratulations on being the first kubuntu-member
[11:25] <Tonio_> ack for me
[11:25] <`6og> hm. 1100 instances of imbrandon in my xchat logs
[11:25] <Lure> imbrandon: congrats!
[11:25] <Tonio_> imbrandon: welcome aboard
[11:25] <`6og> contrats imbrandon:)
[11:26] <allee> imbrandon: congrats!
[11:26] <Hobbsee> congratulations imbrandon 
[11:26] <Riddell> I spot kwwii is now added to our agenda
[11:26] <kwwii> :-)
[11:26] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:26] <Riddell> kwwii: care to introduce yourself?
[11:26] <Hobbsee> let's say no :P
[11:26] <kwwii> love too! (/me loves to talk)
[11:26] <Tonio_> let's go kwwii
[11:26] <Hobbsee> kwwii: go for it
[11:27] <kwwii> well, I am kenneth wimer, been around linux for a long while
[11:27] <kwwii> worked for another major linux company for 7 years doing all the graphics
[11:27] <kwwii> kde member, kde-hci member, kde-artists ring-master or such
[11:27] <bddebian> w00t, congrats imbrandon.
[11:28] <kwwii> since about a 6-8 months using kubuntu
[11:28] <kwwii> in the meantime, a ubuntu-art member
[11:28] <OdyX> congrats imbrandon
[11:28] <kwwii> did lots of stuff for dapper
[11:28] <kwwii> learning deb packaging recently
[11:28] <kwwii> :-)
[11:29] <Riddell> well I know kwwii pretty well, I don't have any questions
[11:29] <Riddell> anyone got questions about kwwii, he did all the dapper artwork for kubuntu
[11:29] <kwwii> Tonio_: it is really not *that* hard
[11:29] <Hobbsee> sure, what's the edgy artwork going to look like?  :P
[11:29] <kwwii> hehe
[11:29] <Riddell> full disclosure: kwwii is contracted by canonical at the moment
[11:29] <Tonio_> kwwii: depends on what to package ;)
[11:29] <kwwii> well, packaging artwork is pretty easy
[11:30] <kwwii> I hope that I can take over packaging all my artwork myself
[11:30] <kmon> kwwii: are you following the recent proposals for usplash in dapper?
[11:30] <kwwii> kmon: yes...long story there
[11:30] <kwwii> in fact, 3 of those pics come from me
[11:30] <kmon> any plans there or is it a too long story to tell now? ;P
[11:31] <Riddell> kmon: canonical contracted kwwii to make the ubuntu usplash, but nobody told the ubuntu-art community
[11:31] <Hobbsee> oh dear...
[11:31] <imbrandon> ouch
[11:31] <linuxmonkey> ouch
[11:31] <`6og> mmm. (again?)
[11:31] <kwwii> Hobbsee: you can say that loudly
[11:31] <kwwii> and I had no idea there was a ubuntu-art list, etc
[11:31] <kmon> so it's a tricky situation
[11:31] <kmon> ok
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hehe - not too loudly, i value my life :P
[11:32] <kwwii> so in the meantime things are a bit better
[11:32] <kwwii> I guess the same mistakes won't be made for edgy
[11:32] <kwwii> s/guess/hope
[11:32] <Hobbsee> +1 based on the artwork contributions - looking forward to seeing what happens in edgy
[11:32] <linuxmonkey> lol was about to say or will they! lol
[11:33] <kmon> kwwii: ok, thanks for answering
[11:33] <kwwii> kmon: no prob, thanks for asking :-)
[11:33] <toma> kwwii: do you work on kde stuff now as well, or only ?ubuntu ?
[11:33] <Tonio_> +1 based of artwork contribution, work done for the linux tag, and because I can't say no to someone that can drink more beer than I do !
[11:33] <kwwii> toma: yepp, I am part of the oxygen team
[11:33] <kwwii> how could I miss adding that!?
[11:33] <kmon> hehe
[11:33] <Hobbsee> kwwii: can we sneak some of that stuff in for edgy?  :P
[11:33] <toma> kwwii: just helping you ...
[11:33] <kwwii> Hobbsee: hopefully we will have a release announcement shortly before the paris meeting
[11:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe
[11:34] <toma> kwwii: did you sign the code of conduct?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> kwwii: oh good :)
[11:34] <kwwii> toma: definitely
[11:34] <Riddell> +1 from me for kubuntu artwork, top linuxtag help and oxygen goodness
[11:34] <Hobbsee> kwwii: come to think of it, do you have a wiki page at all?
[11:35] <kwwii> kwwii.blogspot.com :-)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> er, according to launchpad, kwwii's not an ubuntero
[11:35] <kwwii> sh put it on some webpage somewhere too
[11:35] <Tonio_> kwwii: Hobbsee's right, would be nice to have a wiki page to present and resume your work and contributions
[11:35] <toma> +1 for me, although a wiki page describing yourself is badly missing
[11:35] <Tonio_> launchpad page can do the job too
[11:35] <Riddell> kwwii: you should make a wiki page at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KennethWimer with a short description of yourself
[11:35] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/people/kwwii
[11:35] <Riddell> allee: vote?
[11:36] <kwwii> I can take care fo that, no problem :-)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> i'm looking at the right page?
[11:36] <kmon> kwwii: are you planning anything related to kubuntu website after dapper is released? I remember Riddell talking about something
[11:36] <allee> Riddell: can we without signed conduct?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Ubuntero:  Not yet 
[11:36] <kwwii> kmon: we made a new title graphic
[11:36] <Riddell> kmon: we have a new version of the logo to put on the site
[11:36] <Riddell> allee: yes we can vote
[11:37] <allee> kwwii: then +1 of course!!
[11:37] <Riddell> allee: he won't get into the kubuntu-members team without signing the conduct, same goes for imbrandon 
[11:37] <imbrandon> i signed already ;)
[11:37] <Riddell> +1s all round again, congatulations kwwii 
[11:37] <Riddell> thanks imbrandon 
[11:37] <`6og> congrats kwwii
[11:37] <kwwii> :-)
[11:37] <imbrandon> congrats kwwii 
[11:37] <Riddell> anyone else here for membership?
[11:37] <kwwii> thanks!
[11:38] <allee> kwwii: congrats!
[11:38] <Lure> kwwii: congrats and looking forward for edgy bling ;-)
[11:38] <toma> Riddell: maybe i should be there?
[11:38] <Riddell> ah yes, there's an issue
[11:38] <Hobbsee> toma: maybe you should - arent you supposed to be on the committee???
[11:38] <Riddell> toma is our KDE link on the committee
[11:38] <Hobbsee> surely membership comes before kcc?
[11:39] <toma> well, I'm working on RSIBreak, i was working on digiKam
[11:40] <toma> i was a dutch translator before that
[11:40] <allee> toma: and you'll start (partially) again ;)
[11:40] <Tonio_> toma: aren't you working on codeine at the moment ?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> congrats kwwii, by the way...
[11:40] <toma> Tonio_: i worked on a media:/ library
[11:40] <kwwii> Hobbsee: thnx :-)
[11:40] <Tonio_> toma: great ;) codeine is a marvellous player, definitly
[11:40] <Riddell> toma: what makes you interested in Kubuntu?
[11:40] <toma> Tonio_: and tried to implement that in codeine, but upstream implemented it differently
[11:41] <toma> next to that, i did some packaging on alioth (debian). learning from allee
[11:41] <toma> and code kde-nl member
[11:41] <toma> core
[11:41] <kmon> congrats kwwii
[11:42] <Hobbsee> ack, coughing fit...cant vote or read for a min...
[11:42] <toma> Riddell:  i think linux should be easier for the users and i'm seeing kubuntu making a good efford doing so
[11:42] <toma> Riddell: so i want to help in that area and focuessed on KDE
[11:43] <Riddell> toma: have I ever met you in real life?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: surely you should remember that?
[11:43] <kwwii> Riddell: I think we both have
[11:43] <kwwii> :-)
[11:44] <Riddell> Hobbsee: so many of these kde-nl members I loose track
[11:44] <allee> toma: do not forget to mention you upstream work on kipi-plugins
[11:44] <Hobbsee> oh, fair enough
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: toma was with us in the meeting with kde and mark :)
[11:44] <toma> Riddell: no
[11:44] <toma> allee: ah, yes, thanks
[11:44] <Tonio_> toma: uh ?
[11:44] <toma> Tonio_: ?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> mmm...upstream...wish their bug tracker was faster...
[11:45] <allee> Tonio_: if he was. I'll kick him because he didn't say hello ;)
[11:45] <Tonio_> seems I missed you with someone else..... sorry
[11:45] <Tonio_> toma: so many new persons meet there ;)
[11:45] <imbrandon> isnt it mMm .... Hobbsee !?! heh
[11:45] <kwwii> toma: which kde meetings have you attended?
[11:45] <Tonio_> shame on me
[11:46] <toma> Tonio_: launchpad knows me from template generation to my surprise
[11:46] <toma> s/Tonio_//
[11:46] <toma> kwwii: in the netherlands: all, no others.
[11:47] <kwwii> hrm, guess I was wrong then about us having met :-)
[11:47] <Riddell> toma get a +1 from me for bringing KDE knowledge to kubuntu council, but I think we'd expect more kubuntu contribution for most members so I understand if others vote the other way
[11:49] <toma> yes, i can not say I have done a lot for kubuntu untill now, but I will be more active, you have to know that the council is a bit of a surprise for me.
[11:49] <Hobbsee> toma: did you sign the COC at all?  is *anyone* showing up as having signed it?
[11:49] <Riddell> toma: I'm not asking for more kubuntu involvement, as I say we value you for the upstream involvement
[11:49] <toma> Hobbsee: yes i have
[11:50] <Riddell> allee, Tonio_?
[11:50] <Tonio_> +1 for me, based on the future and the specific case of toma (cc member before beeing a member)
[11:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, mine should show up as signed , i singed it weeks ago
[11:51] <allee> Riddell: I trust/know toma.  +1
[11:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah yes, you're shown
[11:51] <Riddell> toma is in the positive then, congratulations and welcome to kubuntu membership
[11:51] <apokryphos> it's a good idea for anyone with a launchpad account to sign the coc
[11:51] <Tonio_> toma: welcome aboard
[11:51] <OdyX> congrats toma
[11:52] <`6og> wd toma
[11:52] <Riddell> any other members today?
[11:52] <toma> YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH , you guys are great! thanks all!
[11:52] <imbrandon> welcome toma 
[11:52] <Hobbsee> I hope this doesnt set a precident of us approving members without decent wiki pages/launchpad pages :P
[11:52] <Hobbsee> welcome toma 
[11:52] <Lure> Riddell: I got ubuntu membership inbetween, but would like kubuntu emblem ;-)
[11:52] <imbrandon> i think its was only in the case of cc first ;) 
[11:52] <Riddell> Lure: yes, I'll approve yours after the meeting
[11:53] <Lure> Riddell: thanks
[11:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: back to your item?
[11:53] <allee> Hobbsee: I agree.  
[11:53] <toma> Hobbsee: i'll make a nice page
[11:53] <Hobbsee> okay - we have a few days till release - what do you want us to work on until then?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> when do the repos freeze?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> toma: oh good :)
[11:53] <linuxmonkey> with preaty pink flowers right toma
[11:53] <linuxmonkey> j/k
[11:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:54] <imbrandon> like the priority of each item, before release
[11:54] <toma> linuxmonkey: pink flowers?
[11:54] <Riddell> main is already frozen, all uploads should mentioned on DapperReleaseThing or approved by mdz
[11:54] <Riddell> DapperReleaseRadar
[11:54] <Riddell> universe I expect will remain open until next tuesday
[11:55] <Hobbsee> okay - so any point working on bugs?
[11:55] <Riddell> in universe I think bugfixes are fine
[11:55] <Hobbsee> okay, cool, thanks
[11:55] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea but no upload for main unless mdz approves and its major
[11:55] <Riddell> and in main important bugfixes where it's obvious they won't break other things are fine too
[11:55] <Riddell> but get approval first
[11:56] <Hobbsee> okay, cool
[11:56] <Riddell> any volunteers for making a kubuntu version of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Short ?
[11:56] <Lure> Riddell: what about testing? Is there plan for wider RC testing?
[11:56] <allee> Hobbsee: every low risk bug fix is worth fixes
[11:56] <imbrandon> Riddell,  sure  i can sdo that this evening
[11:56] <allee> s/s/ing
[11:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: thanks
[11:56] <OdyX> Riddell: I can probably take it (adaptation)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> do we have more people applying for MOTU status in edgy?  i'm always on the lookout for other uploaders :P
[11:57] <Riddell> Lure: tonight's nightly build will be the first RC canidate, please start testing sfrom tomorrow (european) morning
[11:57] <OdyX> imbrandon: mark me as "re-reader"...
[11:57] <imbrandon> ok OdyX 
[11:58] <Lure> Riddell: ok, results should be reported to wiki?
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will perform a bunch of tests before the end of the week
[11:58] <allee> Hobbsee: I'll will apply.  But not sure if I'm accepted
[11:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: please prepare https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentKubuntu for RC if you can
[11:58] <Riddell> Lure: we'll put them on that wiki page
[11:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume the big priority is to test kubuntu-express widely no ?
[11:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: ubiquity, definately
[11:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, is it supposed to be able to resize ntfs partition and install dual boot within grub automatically ?
[11:59] <Tonio_> this is a big test to make :)
[11:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: it should be able to do anything partman can do
[11:59] <Riddell> so it's the same as the text installer
[11:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, by the time edgy is nearing motu ready i'll be applying for edgy motu ( i need to get a bit more under my belt first )
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I will test this on wednesday
[11:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: allee:  cool.
[11:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: good luck
[11:59] <`6og> Tonio_: colin recently fixed an ntfs issue, so make sure you get a recent cd
[11:59] <kmon> Riddell: does ubiiquity support lvm?
[12:00] <Riddell> kmon: no, it doesn't
[12:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, vmware ;)
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I have machines at work with a ghostcast server, so I can crash them, that's not an issue :)
[12:00] <Riddell> you need the old text installer for that
[12:00] <OdyX> imbrandon: vmware ? qemu too ?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good point, i'd not thought of that.  might have space troubles with that though
[12:00] <Riddell> anyone have major bugs we should be aware of?
[12:00] <Tonio_> `6og: well I will use a daily image
[12:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the one about not eating the windows partition
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed toonight a problem with adept
[12:00] <OdyX> Riddell: well.. konqueror crashing with multimedia...
[12:00] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's that?
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's that?
[12:01] <Tonio_> it has problem with "graphical" postinst scripts, like with the new java packages in multiverse of postfix
[12:01] <Riddell> OdyX: does it still use kaffeine as the plugin?
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont worry, i was joking
[12:01] <OdyX> Riddell: nope...
[12:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: phew :)
[12:01] <Tonio_> you can see the disclaimer page, but it freezes
[12:01] <Riddell> OdyX: so it's using kmplayer?
[12:01] <OdyX> Riddell: I can give you 1000's of Konqui crashing pages...
[12:01] <OdyX> Riddell: yep.
[12:01] <`6og> Hobbsee: sounds like what i was just talking bout ;)
[12:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does that use?
[12:02] <Riddell> not debconf?
[12:02] <allee> Riddell: wiki.kubuntu.org keeps asking to accept certificate.  Hope that's fixable on the server and need no kdebase tweaks
[12:02] <Riddell> allee: I've a note here to poke sysadmin to fix that
[12:02] <Hobbsee> oh grrr...can we get that fixed?  it's annoying!
[12:02] <Riddell> allee: but it's also a konqueror bug
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think so, but I need to test a bit widely, I just saw that at 21h at work....
[12:02] <Hobbsee> i'ts in firefox too
[12:02] <Riddell> allee: please report upstream if you have a moment
[12:03] <toma> allee: i'm seeing the same on several of my own servers. really annoying
[12:03] <klichota> In qemu I am seeing kdesktop crash right after logging in
[12:03] <Riddell> klichota: live CD?
[12:03] <klichota> yes
[12:03] <Riddell> maybe I should give qemu another try
[12:03] <klichota> But in Vmware it is OK, so it is qemu fault
[12:03] <linuxmonkey> i know something that needs fixing, the restrictedformat wiki for kubuntu cause its mostly all about ubuntu.
[12:03] <allee> toma: I only see it with wiki.kubuntu.org  (no shttp server here)
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: having kdesktop crash when right clicking a file to move it somewhere else is kidna annoying - having to kill kdesktop, and restart it
[12:04] <Riddell> linuxmonkey: it's a wiki, please do fix it up for kubuntu
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like there was an update for adept today...
[12:04] <Hobbsee> apart from various screensaver bugs, i dont recall anything else major
[12:04] <OdyX> linuxmonkey: I can take a precise look on that if you want.
[12:04] <allee> toma: so maybe you in better position to: [00:02]  <Riddell> allee: please report upstream if you have a moment
[12:04] <allee> toma: I can't add much info
[12:05] <Riddell> OdyX: that would be cool if you did
[12:05] <Tonio_> can someone try to install sun-java5-bin and confirm he can accept the disclaimer with adept ?
[12:05] <OdyX> Riddell: noting that for tomorrow morning
[12:05] <toma> allee: np
[12:05] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i did last night but i will again if needed
[12:05] <imbrandon> no problems
[12:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: did that work for you ?
[12:05] <linuxmonkey> thanx OdyX
[12:05] <imbrandon> yes
[12:05] <Riddell> right, any other business?
[12:05] <Tonio_> imbrandon: okay, maybe that was a problem with my machine only....
[12:06] <imbrandon> *hopes*
[12:06] <klichota> What is the requirement for memory for live CD?
[12:06] <toma> Riddell: did you get responses to the newsletter?
[12:06] <klichota> Help states it is 128MB
[12:06] <Hobbsee> that newsletter was cool :)
[12:06] <toma> indeed
[12:06] <Riddell> toma: nope, but if anyone has suggestions for the next one please add to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuNewsletter
[12:06] <`6og> 128 fro dapper? eek
[12:07] <klichota> I really doubt anybody can install with 128 MB
[12:07] <allee> Riddell: Hobbsee suggested to be more strict about membership formalities  (wiki, coc etc)
[12:07] <imbrandon> Riddell, i'm going to get off line for about 2 hours but i dont mind getting any other wiki pages ready for RC just shoot me an email ( brandon@imbrandon.com ) or catch me in 2 hous
[12:07] <kmon> Riddell: I've added a post in distrowatch pointing out the newsletter and sent a mail to the fridge devs, so it gets more widespread
[12:07] <Riddell> oh yes, jjesse added that kubuntu-docs needs translations
[12:07] <Tonio_> klichota: according to my tests, it is usable with 128, but 256 is better to be comfortable
[12:07] <OdyX> klichota: AFAIK, it whould make it.
[12:07] <klichota> 128 MB + swap?
[12:07] <klichota> Or just 128 MB
[12:07] <Tonio_> just 128
[12:07] <Tonio_> that was slow, but working
[12:07] <Riddell> allee: CoC can easily be done after meetings, just as long as they don't get in the launchpad team without signing it
[12:07] <klichota> Ubiquity also works?
[12:08] <Tonio_> although test install cd is better for low memory machines
[12:08] <Tonio_> klichota: tremendously slow, but no crash ;)
[12:08] <Riddell> as for wiki pages Hobbsee may have a point there, I know what kwwii and toma have done but not all members do
[12:08] <klichota> Good :)
[12:08] <klichota> I will try to test it tomorrow
[12:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not exactly what i meant - i'd hate others to get the impression that they should go for kubuntu membership, just because we accept easier than other people.
[12:09] <klichota> Last time it didn't work
[12:09] <kwwii> Riddell: the truth is that a lot of that information is well hidden on the wiki page, if you do not know in advance it is hard to find
[12:09] <Tonio_> klichota: anyway, 128 MB is not adapted to kde nowadays...
[12:09] <Lure> Hobbsee: +1
[12:09] <Hobbsee> of course, having worked with the people before is a substitute, but that's probably not what a lot of people see, not hanging around in -devel
[12:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: part of the point of us doing it is we know better who is good for membership than the ubuntu council
[12:09] <klichota> Yes, but then Requirements section in help should be changed
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i know, but we dont know everythign :P
[12:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you put a notice on Kubuntu/Meetings that people going for membership need to have a wiki page
[12:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sure, will do
[12:10] <Lure> Hobbsee: and link to NewMembers (or whatever is the page)
[12:11] <Riddell> kmon: thanks for poking distrowatch and fridge
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: link's already there - i added that a couple of days ago
[12:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: Riddell: and a launchpad account with code of conduct signed too
[12:11] <Hobbsee> but yeah, writing that for kubuntu specific stuff is probably a good idea
[12:11] <Lure> Hobbsee: sorry - did not notice it...
[12:11] <imbrandon> Riddell, thats there ( and a link to newmembers ) but it needs to be updated for kubuntu ( its ubuntu specific so far )
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Lure: not a problem
[12:11] <Riddell> any other business?
[12:11] <Tonio_> nite kmon
[12:12] <Riddell> date and time of next meeting?
[12:12] <`6og> Riddell: where can i find discusion about why Kubuntu was split out re membeship?
[12:12] <Riddell> `6og: it was sabdfl's idea
[12:12] <Hobbsee> i'd love to move to around 12-2pm UTC or so - not being a morning person, but i'm fine with that waiting a few months..
[12:13] <Riddell> me and ogra brought it up at community council a few weeks ago
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: arround 6th june would be good for dapper feedback
[12:13] <imbrandon> yea 6th sounds good to me , gives time for dapper to be released
[12:13] <ogra> that move was made to take the load of the CC 
[12:13] <imbrandon> and used
[12:13] <Riddell> how does euopean daytime suit people?
[12:14] <imbrandon> fine with me ( just so i know in advance so i can set an alarm clock ;)
[12:14] <imbrandon> like today ;)
[12:14] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:14] <Riddell> so 6th June at 14:00UTC?
[12:14] <OdyX> Riddell: you mean 20, 21 UTC ?
[12:14] <allee> Riddell: should be managable.  But I can't promised that I'm not interrupted
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: daytime isn't nice for me since I don't have irc access at work
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, can that idea, and revisit it in a few months...
[12:15] <Hobbsee> keep it at 21UTC
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: and as the network admin is a kind of sisco killer I wouldn't take the risk of ssh-tunnelling :)
[12:15] <Riddell> 6th June at 21UTC?
[12:15] <Lure> Tonio_: does 8001 port work?
[12:15] <allee> Hobbsee: admireable!
[12:16] <Tonio_> Lure: of course not :) so the only solution is http or ssh tunnelling, but well.....
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: fine with me
[12:16] <Riddell> ok, agreed for now, we can change it if there's a problem
[12:16] <Hobbsee> wed morning, 2 weeks...yep, okay
[12:16] <Hobbsee> allee: hush ;P
[12:16] <Riddell> thanks everyone, congratulations to the new members
[12:17] <Tonio_> congrats all :)
[12:17] <Riddell> and test test test until release!
[12:17] <Hobbsee> congratulations all
[12:17] <kwwii> thanks from me to everyone for voting me in !
[12:17] <toma> minutes anyone?
[12:17] <imbrandon> thanks, ok i'm off to get about 2 more hours of sleep , i'll be back on irc in a while 
[12:17] <OdyX> nite imbrandon
[12:17] <OdyX> toma: "minutes" = ?
[12:17] <Riddell> toma: 3 memberships and 1 general discussion, don't know if there's much to minute
[12:18] <Tonio_> ` nite :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> `6og: pitiful.  it's 7.45am there.
[12:18] <imbrandon> OdyX, logs
[12:18] <Riddell> OdyX: summary of decisions
[12:18] <OdyX> imbrandon: making summary ?
[12:18] <Lure> toma: I think log of meeting is put to wiki anyhow, not sure if minutes are needed...
[12:18] <OdyX> Riddell: I could make that tomorrow too
[12:18] <imbrandon> no i dident plan on it but i can
[12:18] <OdyX> :D
[12:18] <`6og> Hobbsee: 7.48 by my clock. remember i waws up at 6.15 to get here. 
[12:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:18] <Riddell> OdyX: see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/Minutes
[12:19] <OdyX> Riddell: Yeah. Read those.
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: no minute required ;) I don't want everyone on the wiki to discover I have a red fish like memory ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> OdyX: if you could make one for this meeting that would be cool
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's why clients log...
[12:19] <OdyX> Riddell: If you say me "make it", I'll make it.
[12:19] <Hobbsee> *scrolls up for what she was going to do for the wiki*
[12:19] <toma> OdyX: great! 
[12:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: argh !!
[12:19] <Riddell> OdyX: do it baby!
[12:19] <OdyX> Riddell: Thanks. All honour for me.
[12:19] <OdyX> :D
[12:20] <Riddell> OdyX: fancy e-mailing fridge-devel with the date of the next meeting too?
[12:21] <OdyX> fridge-devel ?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's the address of your wiki page, please?
[12:21] <OdyX> I can. I'll grab the archives to look for latest and adapt... :D
[12:21] <OdyX> Riddell: ^^ I'm not on that list, but archives are public, huh ?
[12:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyMercatante
[12:23] <Tonio_> what for ?
[12:23] <Riddell> OdyX: fridge-devel doesn't need you on the list
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: thanks.  wanted to use your page as an example wiki page, if that's okay with you
[12:23] <OdyX> Riddell: yeah, OK. But I can't see archives for now.
[12:23] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/fridge-devel
[12:23] <Riddell> there's no public archives
[12:24] <Riddell> it's just the list you send to when you have a story or meeting time for them
[12:24] <OdyX> OK. Fine
[12:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure, although it isn't up to date
[12:24] <OdyX> I'll make custom message then. :D
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: thanks :)
[12:25] <kwwii> night all...got an early morning tomorrow
[12:25] <allee> kwwii: nite
[12:26] <kwwii> night allee
[12:26] <Hobbsee> night kwwii 
[12:26] <OdyX> Nite all !
[12:30] <klichota> Bye everyone, I am going back to preparing translations for tomorrows KDE release :)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> klichota: yay!
[08:22] <Keybuk> no, you're wrong Ubugtu ;)
[08:28] <robitaille> @topic
[08:31] <Howdy125> FYI .. flight7 clean install and just updated .. when setting the icon size to 75% in nautilus the icons become huge .. 
[08:44] <neuralis> Howdy125: wrong channel; file a bug
[06:34] <vinboy> hi
[06:35] <vinboy> is the release candidate out yet?
[06:36] <sfllaw> vinboy: Tomorrow, I think.
[06:37] <vinboy> COOL
[06:37] <vinboy> around wat time?
[06:37] <sfllaw> No idea.
[06:37] <vinboy> thx
[01:14] <jelkner> Is there an edubuntu meeting this morning?
[01:15] <ogra> jelkner, not officially
[01:15] <ogra> jelkner, we wanted to do a rather nonofficial one in #edubuntu
[01:16] <jelkner> ogra: is that going on now?
[01:16] <ogra> (since we're all too busy testing CD installs anyway, nobody was after making a huge meeting)
[01:16] <jelkner> ogra: thanks
[01:16] <jelkner> btw.  i'm lovin the new version! ;-)
[01:17] <jelkner> props to whomever did the edubuntu-homies artwork too
[01:17] <jelkner> my students like the way it looks
[01:18] <jelkner> and things are working very well
[01:18] <jelkner> ok, then, if there is no meeting, i'll catch ya'll later...
[01:18] <ogra> jelkner, what about the chalkboard, it was very contoversal, nobody apart from the management liked it ...
[01:19] <jelkner> ogra: i think it looks fine
[01:19] <ogra> (i'd have loved to use the homies as default rather)
[01:19] <jelkner> but i haven't seen any students choose it
[01:19] <ogra> heh
[01:19] <ogra> ok
[01:19] <jelkner> ogra: i'm with you on that
[01:19] <jelkner> i even found out about the homies artwork because students started selecting it on their own
[01:20] <jelkner> that's a good sign ;-)
[01:20] <ogra> yeah
[01:20] <ogra> cbx33, hear what jelkner says !
[01:20] <ogra> jelkner, cbx33's wife made it for us :)
[01:20] <jelkner> she did a great job
[01:21] <ogra> yeah
[01:21] <jelkner> ok, i need to get back to work... what is next?
[01:21] <jelkner> when do we meet
[01:21] <ogra> release :)
[01:21] <jelkner> cool
[01:21] <ogra> we'll have a wrap up meeting next wed. i think)
[01:21] <cbx33> Oh wow
[01:22] <cbx33> exellent thanks jelkner 
[01:22] <ogra> but no promises, its 24h before release then :)
[01:22] <cbx33> I'll let the missus know, shes ill in bed today so that'll cheer her up
[01:22] <jelkner> cbx33: no, thank your wife!
[01:22] <jelkner> cbx33: sorry to hear that, hope she feels better soon
[01:23] <jelkner> i'll check back in next week
[01:23] <cbx33> she's feeling a lot better than yesterday
[01:23] <jelkner> cya then...
[01:23] <cbx33> see ya jelkner 
[01:59] <Klaidas> @schedule Vilnius
[01:59] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 24 May 16:30: Xubuntu | 24 May 23:00: Edubuntu | 30 May 19:00: Community Council | 31 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu
[02:06] <cbx33> unofficial edubuntu meeting in #edubuntu
[02:06] <JaneW> **NOTE** thiere is not edubuntu meeting here, there is an informal discussion going on in #edubuntu
[02:06] <jsgotangco> unofficial??
[02:07] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:07] <JaneW> **NOTE** there is no edubuntu meeting here, there is an informal discussion going on in #edubuntu
[02:07] <flint> JaneW, I know that..
[02:07] <flint> Just force of habit.  The later afternoon time is not that good for me right now.  
[02:07] <flint> I am renovating a house.
[02:08] <pips1> flint, you aren't going to join us in edubuntu then?
[02:08] <pips1> come along!
[02:08] <pips1> :-)
[02:08] <flint> I will likely make it next week, and will try for this week.  This split thing is not good for me.
[02:08] <flint> join #edubuntu
[02:08] <flint> oops...
[02:09] <pips1> :)
[02:09] <flint> ah well...
[03:37] <thierryn> anyone from xubuntu there?
[03:57] <DaSkreech> Hello is there a log of the last Kubuntu meeting?
[03:59] <Lure> DaSkreech: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings/2006-05-22
[03:59] <DaSkreech> THanks
[08:55] <GNAM> @schedule Italy/Rome
[08:55] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[08:55] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 30 May 18:00: Community Council | 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[11:39] <sivang> @schdule Israel
[11:39] <sivang> @schedule Israel
[11:39] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Israel: 30 May 19:00: Community Council | 31 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 08 Jun 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:04] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[10:04] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 30 May 18:00: Community Council | 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[12:02] <dholbach> [PUPPETS] Gonzo: ALTER!
[11:23] <GNAM> @schedule Europe/Rome
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 30 May 18:00: Community Council | 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 08 Jun 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 15 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team