[12:49] <Burgundavia> ogra, what is the landscape client?
[01:36] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:18] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, you there?
[02:18] <Amaranth> yep
[02:18] <Amaranth> hang on, let me plug in
[02:19] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, I under anselmo chatted with you today. He said there might have been some miscommunicatin
[02:19] <Amaranth> apparently
[02:19] <Burgundavia> do you understand what he is doing
[02:19] <Amaranth> because it sounds like his project isn't really needed if i get mine done
[02:19] <Burgundavia> given, I wrote the original spec...
[02:19] <Amaranth> where is the spec? the soc website wouldn't let me look at the proposal
[02:19] <Burgundavia> SafetyBoat is more than just proxying
[02:20] <Burgundavia> http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/ChildrensBrowser
[02:20] <Burgundavia> that is the original draft
[02:21] <Amaranth> ah
[02:21] <Burgundavia> does that make more sense to you now?
[02:21] <Amaranth> "The Control panel should control the level of filtering (low, medium, high), as well as specific white and black lists." looks odd, otherwise yeah
[02:21] <Burgundavia> that was just my quick ideas. I never expected to get it picked up
[02:22] <Burgundavia> actual implementation may differ
[02:22] <Amaranth> i forgot, i need to ask ogra about my project
[02:23] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: I was thinking an epiphany and/or firefox extension that can tell the proxy a site is good or bad would be cool
[02:23] <Burgundavia> an iframe would be better, imho
[02:23] <Burgundavia> because then people with IE and Safari can control it as well
[02:23] <Burgundavia> but that might be more work
[02:23] <Amaranth> that's a bit more complicated, yeah
[02:24] <Amaranth> and harder to use
[02:24] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:24] <Burgundavia> maybe build your proxy with the ability for someone to plug either in
[02:25] <Amaranth> yeah, that's what i need to talk to ogra about
[02:25] <Amaranth> making my own instead of using willow
[02:25] <Burgundavia> which changes the spec somewhat
[02:25] <Burgundavia> as you were just going to package and write a gui for willow, no?
[02:26] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:26] <Amaranth> although a part of the packaging would be code review and modifications to make it better for ubuntu
[02:27] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:27] <Amaranth> and i might be able to do this with an existing proxy + the reverend module for bayesian filtering
[02:28] <Burgundavia> code reuse is always nice
[02:28] <Burgundavia> ie, use dansguardian and plugin reverend?
[02:28] <Amaranth> maybe
[02:28] <Amaranth> i was looking for a simpler proxy
[02:30] <Amaranth> "Before downloading, please read the copyright for DansGuardian 2. DansGuardian is not free for commercial use. DansGuardian may not be used by Military governments such as SPDC in Myanmar (formally known as Burma)."
[02:30] <Amaranth> that makes dansguardian worthless
[02:31] <Burgundavia> isn't dg gpl?
[02:32] <Burgundavia> that is garbage. dg is gpl
[02:33] <Amaranth> apparently it's GPL + restrictions
[02:33] <Burgundavia> license in CVS says nothing like that
[02:34] <Amaranth> i know, only their download page does
[02:35] <Burgundavia> then someone needs to spank them
[02:35] <Amaranth> heh
[02:35] <Amaranth> all the proxy has to do is HTTP 1.1 and HTTPS, right?
[02:35] <Burgundavia> "This page has been personally inspected by RMS (Richard Stallman) himself (Oct 2001). It had his approval and hopefully still does."
[02:35] <Amaranth> and HTTP AUTH and such, that's a given
[02:37] <Burgundavia> ok, the DG author is nuts
[02:37] <Burgundavia> what about using squid?
[02:38] <Amaranth> well
[02:38] <Amaranth> reverend is python
[02:38] <Amaranth> so unless i want to embed python the proxy would have to be too
[02:38] <Amaranth> i found a nice list of them
[02:38] <Amaranth> i've been looking at some of them
[02:38] <Burgundavia> I love how our company "breaks" his license
[02:39] <Amaranth> heh
[02:39] <Burgundavia> we ship DG with every DiscoverStation
[02:39] <Burgundavia> which we sell for gazillions of dollar
[02:39] <Burgundavia> s
[02:40] <Amaranth> hehe
[02:40] <Amaranth> i think mandriva has it in their repos
[02:41] <Burgundavia> so does debian and ubuntu
[02:41] <Amaranth> oh?
[02:42] <Amaranth> the author of this thing is full of himself
[02:42] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:42] <Burgundavia> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/web/dansguardian
[02:43] <Amaranth> the LICENSE file says GPL
[02:43] <Burgundavia> that is what I mean
[02:43] <Amaranth> but the source code says otherwise
[02:43] <Amaranth> /Please refer to http://dansguardian.org/?page=copyright2
[02:43] <Amaranth> /for the license for this code.
[02:44] <Burgundavia> I think debian/etc. ignore that and go with the licesing file
[02:44] <Amaranth> yeah
[02:44] <Amaranth> i wonder if i should email debian-legal
[02:44] <_Mikael_> hi everybody!
[02:44] <Amaranth> hehe
[02:44] <Amaranth> hey _Mikael_
[02:45] <_Mikael_> is my first time in this channerl, a lot of time i dont use irc, snif...
[02:45] <_Mikael_> im not speak english very well, sorry 
[02:45] <Burgundavia> I think he would have a hard time with a judge with messy licesning like that
[02:45] <Burgundavia> _Mikael_, np
[02:45] <_Mikael_> :)
[02:45] <Burgundavia> some of us no speeky english too well and that is the only language we speak :)
[02:46] <_Mikael_> hahaha
[02:46] <Amaranth> me speak bad english
[02:46] <Amaranth> :P
[02:46] <_Mikael_> where are you from?
[02:46] <Amaranth> usa
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, seriously, I think we might just want to avoid dg
[02:46] <Burgundavia> Canada
[02:46] <Amaranth> i just suck at english
[02:46] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: yeah, it's too weird
[02:46] <_Mikael_> aahhh, greeting from Chile!
[02:47] <Amaranth> a lot of the time i say something then say "pretend that made sense"
[02:49] <_Mikael_> hey, one question about edubuntu...
[02:49] <Burgundavia> _Mikael_, we don't talk about Edubuntu
[02:49] <Burgundavia> remember, the first rule of Edubuntu...
[02:49] <_Mikael_> :S
[02:49] <Burgundavia> _Mikael_, no seriously, shoot :)
[02:49] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: err, cultural joke
[02:49] <_Mikael_> xD
[02:50] <Burgundavia> Amaranth, maybe. a lot of people get it though
[02:50] <_Mikael_> is edubuntu multilanguage? can i use it for children that just speak spanish?
[02:50] <Burgundavia> absolutely
[02:50] <_Mikael_> :o
[02:50] <Burgundavia> 30+ language, I think
[02:51] <_Mikael_> ok, excellent! :D
[02:51] <Burgundavia> and you can have mutiple users each using a different language, simultaneously
[02:51] <_Mikael_> im thinking about a first grade school...
[02:52] <Amaranth> i think the spanish translations are some of the best, actually
[02:52] <Amaranth> most complete, i mean
[02:52] <_Mikael_> then, rigth now i download it! 
[02:52] <_Mikael_> ;)
[02:52] <Burgundavia> _Mikael_, there is also #edubuntu-es and #ubuntu-es
[02:53] <_Mikael_> haha, i didn't that xD
[02:53] <_Mikael_> i found this channel in the web documentation... :P
[02:53] <_Mikael_> thx very much!
[02:54] <_Mikael_> see you ;)
[03:15] <troy_s> hey folks
[03:15] <troy_s> anyone here from artwork?
[03:16] <Burgundavia> troy_s, what do you mean?
[03:16] <troy_s> Henrik Omma needs a little art... and I know that the Edubuntu folks have an art team...
[03:16] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Tasks
[03:16] <Burgundavia> troy_s, why are you not in #ubuntu-ca ?
[03:16] <troy_s> if anyone can help, thanks.
[03:17] <Burgundavia> troy_s, #ubuntu-art might be a better choice?
[03:17] <troy_s> yes it is there too.  but edubuntu has a nice organized art troope.
[03:17] <troy_s> just trying to share the knowledge.
[03:17] <Burgundavia> we do?
[03:18] <troy_s> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuArtwork and it is listed at launchpad.
[03:19] <Burgundavia> yep, but I don't think asking edubuntu people to help the ubuntu website is the best
[03:20] <troy_s> okie.
[03:21] <_Mikael_> hey again! i can't find the url where download edubuntu... =(
[03:21] <_Mikael_> only ship-it
[03:22] <Burgundavia> hm, the edubuntu page has nothing, you are correct
[03:22] <_Mikael_> aaahhp, ok
[03:23] <_Mikael_> then... how i get it? :S
[03:23] <Burgundavia> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/
[03:23] <_Mikael_> first i wanna download and test it and then use ship-it
[03:23] <_Mikael_> ok, thx ;)
[03:24] <Burgundavia> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/ <-- RC unstable version
[03:24] <Burgundavia> 5.10 is the current stable, 6.06 is going to be released June 1st-ish
[03:24] <_Mikael_> :o a secret place =P
[03:24] <Burgundavia> I emailed the edubuntu mailing list about it
[03:25] <_Mikael_> mmm, is important...
[03:25] <_Mikael_> i check all pages before ask you
[03:25] <Burgundavia> no, if you can't find something, ask
[03:25] <Burgundavia> it is a bug that shoudl be fixed
[03:26] <_Mikael_> ok, you are so nice ;)
[03:26] <Burgundavia> if you can't find something, it is a fair shake you are not alone
[03:27] <_Mikael_> thx very much, see you again! xD
[03:28] <Burgundavia> indeed
[05:01] <jsgotangco> good morning
[05:01] <Burgundavia> salut jsgAWAY 
[05:01] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, 
[05:02] <jsgotangco> gee you're right there's no download link
[05:02] <jsgotangco> heh!
[05:04] <jsgotangco> i could fix this its only drupal but i should wait for highvoltage i think
[10:20] <highvoltage> ogra: ping!
[10:22] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: you forgot the download link on the website lol
[10:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's there now ;)
[10:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it was there, it was just unpublished. d'oh!
[10:23] <jsgotangco> (instead of a node)
[10:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm going to ping the mailing list to go through everything for spelling mistakes, etc and other things that we might have missed, so that we get this 100% right
[10:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm thinking of putting a banner at the top of the front page or something that announces the new release and download
[10:23] <jsgotangco> yes that would be great
[10:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: is that big button enough? :)
[10:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we'll have to have a documentation section too
[10:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i don't think we can have a big proper one like we want by launch time
[10:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: but it's something i think we should start working on
[10:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: even if it's just layout, etc of the page
[10:25] <jsgotangco> would you prefer to have it as a static page or a link to the wiki proper?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> the wiki proper is a bit dodgy in terms of accuracy
[10:26] <highvoltage> at the moment, there's a link under quick links to the wiki page
[10:26] <highvoltage> it's not so much inacuracy that bothers me, that's quite fixable
[10:26] <highvoltage> it's just that users find wiki's scary
[10:27] <jsgotangco> doc.ubuntu.com currently has about edubuntu, release notes (ive yet to update it) and ESA
[10:27] <highvoltage> and i think it would at least be nice to have one 'summary' doc page, that points to the relevant wiki pages
[10:28] <highvoltage> great. I'm thinking more in terms of someting like: http://help.ubuntu.com/
[10:28] <highvoltage> perhaps we should link to relevant documentation from the "Help & Support" page?
[10:28] <highvoltage> i think that will be good
[10:29] <jsgotangco> well those in doc.ubuntu.com will eventually be moved to help
[10:29] <jsgotangco> i will liase with mdke upon release
[10:29] <jsgotangco> i will update the release notes as well
[10:29] <highvoltage> yep. doc.u.c is for development, and help.u.c is released, right?
[10:29] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:49] <blue-frog> hi folks, I have been using gtranslator to translate missing stuff for schooltool but couldn't find everything I wanted to translate in the/usr/lib/ptython24/site-packages/schooltool/locales/fr/LC_MESSAGES/schooltool.po. Then I found out about rosetta and found that there was more in rosetta than in the po file. If I understan rosetta correctly downloading stuff with rosetta will provide me with a more complete po file?
[10:57] <highvoltage> blue-frog: i think so
[10:57] <highvoltage> blue-frog: although i'm not too versed in rosetta. it might be best to ask in #launchpad, though
[12:57] <cbx33> ogra, what is allowed in LP and what isn't
[01:03] <juliux> hi cbx33 
[01:03] <cbx33> hi juliux 
[01:04] <juliux> cbx33, i fly on the 7th june to london
[01:04] <cbx33> excellent
[01:04] <juliux> cbx33, we have to drink some beer together
[01:05] <cbx33> indeed
[01:15] <lucasvo> Guiness!
[01:15] <lucasvo> +n
[01:17] <juliux> pah guiness i can drink also in germany
[01:53] <highvoltage> ogra: ping
[01:54] <highvoltage> ogra: about that e-mail i just sent you. i thought you were responding to Corey :)
[01:55] <ogra> heh
[01:55] <ogra> cbx33, no idea, ask #launchpad 
[01:56] <ogra> juliux, try the red beers, they are fairly good, lager is pretty boring if its not at least 30C
[01:56] <cbx33> ogra, thanks have done so....was wondering if my gisomount would be allowed as a product in it
[01:56] <ogra> sure, why not
[01:56] <cbx33> someone said yes, no reason why not
[01:56] <cbx33> :D
[01:56] <cbx33> I should probably check with Laser_away seeing as we are working on this together
[01:56] <cbx33> ogra, python is so cool
[01:57] <cbx33> I'm really getting somewhere now
[01:57] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[01:57] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[01:57] <ogra> :)
[01:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: have you had a chance to upload those screenshots?
[01:57] <cbx33> infact the beta release should be ready....possibly by the end of the day....
[01:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm burning to replace those old breezy screenshots on the screenshots page :)
[01:57] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'll do it now for you
[01:57] <highvoltage> cbx33: thanks :)
[01:57] <cbx33> I didn't have that laptop with me
[01:57] <cbx33> but I do now
[01:57] <cbx33> did you agree with the my idea of sorting it out
[01:58] <cbx33> where do you want them
[01:58] <cbx33> just as attachemtns to the screenshots page?
[01:58] <highvoltage> talking to me?
[01:58] <cbx33> yes :p
[01:58] <highvoltage> i think it's best if you put them in a tarball and upload it somewhere
[01:58] <cbx33> ok
[01:58] <cbx33> I'll do that right away
[01:58] <highvoltage> thanks
[01:59] <highvoltage> ogra: do you think we could mention freedom toasters on the download section
[02:00] <highvoltage> ogra: or do we need permission from silbs? if so, could you please add that to the list of questions for her?
[02:00] <ogra> i think we can do this right away, i'll take the blame if silbs complains
[02:00] <ogra> its a valuable project that deserves promotion for our side imho
[02:00] <highvoltage> ogra: ok :)
[02:01] <highvoltage> yeah, and Helen King is doing a lot to get it in many other countries too
[02:03] <cbx33> freedom toaster?
[02:04] <lucasvo> I would like to have a freedom toaster in zurich
[02:04] <highvoltage> http://www.freedomtoaster.org.za
[02:04] <ogra> well, it only makes sense where you dont have bandwith ...
[02:04] <highvoltage> it's a machine where you can take your blank cd's and burn distro's.
[02:05] <lucasvo> highvoltage: not only distros
[02:05] <lucasvo> free data as well
[02:05] <highvoltage> lucasvo: yes, i know :)
[02:06] <highvoltage> lucasvo: you do realise i work for TSF, don't you ;)
[02:06] <lucasvo> highvoltage: of course, but cbx33 maybe doesnt
[02:06] <lucasvo> I just said it so nobody in this channel thinks it's only for distros ;)
[02:07] <lucasvo> btw, is ubuntu also funded by tsf?
[02:08] <ogra> does anybody read the ubuntu-art ml here ? 
[02:08] <lucasvo> no
[02:08] <ogra> we got a lot of praise for the well structured artwork team ... 
[02:08] <ogra> well done highvoltage :)
[02:08] <lucasvo> ogra: edubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:09] <ogra> edubuntu indeed
[02:10] <ogra> they dont manage to get themself organized since quite some time and just discovered that the edubuntu-art tea has a clear LP teampage, a very clean wiki presentation etc ...
[02:10] <highvoltage> lucasvo: no, it's not funded by tsf
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm subscribed to it, but rarely read it
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks :)
[02:10] <lucasvo> highvoltage: good, otherwise one would have to stop in two years :)
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra: not that we have actually produced usable artwork that actually got into edubuntu :(
[02:11] <ogra> well, but the team is well organized ;P
[02:11] <highvoltage> hopefull with a bit of armtwisting and some work, the next release will have some more
[02:11] <highvoltage> i'm lying
[02:11] <highvoltage> lisa's artwork made it into edubuntu! :)
[02:11] <highvoltage> and toxictoadz'
[02:11] <ogra> so add her to the artteam :)
[02:12] <ogra> we always had community artwork ... thats more than ubuntu can say
[02:12] <highvoltage> cbx33: would lisa mind being added? does she have a launchpad account yet?
[02:12] <highvoltage> actually, i'm quite impressed with the amount of willing volunteers we have
[02:12] <highvoltage> if you look at our launchpad teams, they're all quite big
[02:12] <cbx33> I can but ask
[02:12] <highvoltage> i just wish i had more time to help co-ordinate them
[02:13] <highvoltage> but thanks to cbx33, that's already been much easier lately
[02:13] <highvoltage> a big goal for the next release is to get our testing team super organised
[02:13] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'll do what I can
[02:13] <cbx33> you guys know that
[02:13] <highvoltage> (i mean, well before the next release)
[02:13] <cbx33> highvoltage, I'm gonna get right on top of that
[02:13] <highvoltage> cool :)
[02:13] <cbx33> I was just so super busy with ESA and everything else
[02:14] <ogra> highvoltage, please coordinated with sfllaw for the testing team, he's doing all ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu testplans
[02:14] <ogra> -d
[02:15] <lucasvo> when is the translatoin freeeze?
[02:15] <ogra> (i wasnt aware of that myself until we had to switch our testing to Testing/Current recently)
[02:15] <highvoltage> ok
[02:15] <cbx33> ok ogra I'll scrap what I was doing for that then...no point in doing it twice :p
[02:15] <highvoltage> i'll add him to the launchpad team too
[02:16] <ogra> cbx33, he'll be happy if we do it ourselves, but he needs to be made aware of it (which he wasnt)
[02:16] <cbx33> ok sure
[02:17] <ogra> i'm pretty sure he'll be overworked himself for edgy, note that he is only aboard sinc 4 weeks yet
[02:17] <ogra> so all we can do ourselves will help reducing his workload
[02:18] <highvoltage> ogra: are you familiar with LAMS and SIF?
[02:18] <lucasvo> LAMS is cool
[02:19] <lucasvo> except it's java :)
[02:19] <ogra> not in detail, i only know some basics about lams
[02:19] <lucasvo> but what is SIF?
[02:19] <highvoltage> http://www.sifinfo.org/
[02:19] <ogra> but mark is after including it in edubuntu, so i'll have to :)
[02:19] <highvoltage> also something that sabdfl is likely to fund soon, it will have to be rewritten from scratch though
[02:19] <highvoltage> (for reasons i can't quite remember)
[02:19] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, which is why i'm bringing it up :)
[02:20] <highvoltage> ogra: do we know how much space the pacakges takes?
[02:20] <lucasvo> highvoltage: you are talking about sif or lams?
[02:20] <highvoltage> lucasvo: sif
[02:20] <ogra> i think they already work on getting it working with free java
[02:20] <ogra> (lams)
[02:20] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i don't think sif actually even works in its current state
[02:22] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm just building up more motivation for a second cd ;)
[02:22] <ogra> :7
[02:22] <cbx33> highvoltage, check the artwork team...
[02:22] <cbx33> right at the top...a new member :p
[02:23] <ogra> i'm not fond of having a second CD as long as its avoidable ...
[02:23] <lucasvo> I think a "server" cd would be quite reasonable
[02:23] <ogra> should always be our last resort ... 
[02:23] <ogra> we have a server cd
[02:23] <lucasvo> with ltsp, schooltool, moodle, lams
[02:24] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean just a repo without installer
[02:24] <ogra> moodle will never ever be on any of our CDs
[02:24] <lucasvo> why?
[02:24] <ogra> because its unsupportable
[02:25] <ogra> schooltool is some KB big, ltsp as well, whats the purpose of a floppy sized server CD ?
[02:25] <lucasvo> ogra: and apache? isn't it needed for schooltool?
[02:25] <ogra> nope
[02:25] <ogra> schooltool uses parts of zope
[02:26] <ogra> such a CD would probably be 5M in max thats really not worth having to manage, test and maintain it 
[02:26] <ogra> (you wouldnt belive how much work that is)
[02:26] <lucasvo> ok
[02:26] <ogra> the only usecase i see currently for a second CD is a langpack CD 
[02:27] <ogra> which you could even update in the middle of a release to have more and more recent translations
[02:28] <ogra> additionally i think we should have a system for third party people to produce their own add-on CD 
[02:28] <ogra> but as long as i can avoid it, i'll not vote for a second official CD
[02:28] <lucasvo> ogra: isn't jigdo something like this?
[02:29] <ogra> yes, but its nothing a teacher can use out of the box
[02:29] <ogra> i'd prefer a LP servvice where you can click together a package selection and have a "build" button at the bottom
[02:30] <ogra> at the end of the build you get a mail with a download link for an iso
[02:30] <lucasvo> that would be coo
[02:31] <highvoltage> cbx33: is alias vegas lisa?
[02:38] <cbx33> yup
[02:39] <cbx33> aliasvegas=lisasavage
[02:39] <cbx33> anagram :D
[02:39] <highvoltage> heh
[02:40] <cbx33> just creating her wiki page for her
[02:40] <highvoltage> ogra: btw, have you seen anagramarama yet? it's packaged in universe, and looks like a great addition for edubuntu (i'm putting it into tuxlabs too)
[02:40] <cbx33> she said if you ever want her to do anything yet, just email her 
[02:40] <cbx33> lisa@couzensfamily.co.uk
[02:40] <highvoltage> cool :)
[02:40] <cbx33> then she won;t forget
[02:40] <cbx33> could you send he an email about the seperate characters you asked for she has said
[02:41] <cbx33> then she won;t forget about it
[02:41] <highvoltage> she won't mind? i don't want to sound too demanding
[02:42] <cbx33> no no
[02:42] <cbx33> she's asked me to ask you
[02:42] <ogra> what did you ask for ? characters of the edubuntu team ? 
[02:42] <ogra> like the JaneW one ? 
[02:42] <cbx33> I'll try to get her into IRC
[02:43] <highvoltage> ogra: i asked for seperate images of the current characters, so that we can use it in other materials as well
[02:43] <ogra> ah
[02:44] <highvoltage> ogra: and yes, i did ask for other real life edubuntu characters too :)
[02:44] <ogra> hehe
[02:51] <lucasvo> highvoltage: so in next release we'll have little ogra on our desktop bg's?
[02:51] <lucasvo> :P
[02:51] <highvoltage> lucasvo: we just might ;)
[03:08] <highvoltage> cbx33: not that i want to pest you, but how are those screenshots coming along?
[03:11] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the default username/password for schooltool again?
[03:11] <ogra> schooltool/manager ?
[03:12] <ogra> (i tend to forget that, not sure)
[03:12] <highvoltage> ah, manager/password worked for me
[03:12] <highvoltage> thanks
[03:12] <highvoltage> i forgot the manager part
[03:13] <ogra> can that be added to ESA ?
[03:15] <highvoltage> absolutely
[03:16] <highvoltage> hmm... we need some kind of users guide.
[03:16] <highvoltage> i think esa has shifted a bit from its original goals, but that's not a bad thing.
[03:16] <highvoltage> sorry i'm just rambling
[03:29] <highvoltage> ogra: ther three theme setups with edubuntu are 'young', 'plain', and ?
[03:29] <ogra> default
[03:29] <highvoltage> ah
[03:30] <lucasvo> on what port is schooltool running by default?
[03:30] <blue-frog> 7080
[03:31] <lucasvo> blue-frog: sure?
[03:31] <blue-frog> yes
[03:31] <lucasvo> strange
[03:31] <lucasvo> it's not responding
[03:31] <blue-frog> localhost:7080
[03:31] <lucasvo> doesn'twork
[03:32] <blue-frog> with edubuntu out of the box?
[03:35] <lucasvo> yes
[03:35] <blue-frog> something went wrog then
[03:35] <blue-frog> wrong
[03:42] <blue-frog> is rosetta the official tool to make translation for schooltool. Have downloaded a po file from rosetta but the formatting have suffured a bit apparently. have to review every instance of the file to me sure everything is ok
[03:43] <blue-frog> to make*...
[04:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: don't worry about those screenshots, i just made some mysqlf
[04:15] <highvoltage> s/mysqlf/myself
[04:25] <highvoltage> ogra: can you please provide an updated version of http://www.edubuntu.org/images/ltsp_inet.png ?
[04:25] <cbx33> highvoltage, ok, i've been searching for them....
[04:26] <cbx33> just realised they were on an hdd that crashed at work the otherday
[04:26] <cbx33> :(
[04:26] <cbx33> sorry 
[04:26] <highvoltage> np
[04:26] <cbx33> and sorry I didn't get your message just now
[04:26] <cbx33> really relaly sorry.....
[04:26] <cbx33> :(
[04:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: i've made it more difficult for you this time: http://www.edubuntu.org/images/tour/khangman.png
[04:26] <ogra> highvoltage, urgh, you mean with the chalkboard ? 
[04:26] <ogra> i'd rather not
[04:27] <ogra> the coloring will look awful i suspect
[04:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, dapper drake :p
[04:27] <highvoltage> ogra: well, without edubuntu girl perhaps. and perhaps without mustard background. otherwise, if you're happy with it as it is, then so am I :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes :P
[04:27] <ogra> highvoltage, i'm fine with it as is ...
[04:27] <highvoltage> ok cool.
[04:28] <cbx33> I'll need to re do all those images...
[04:28] <ogra> why should we hide our edubuntugirl :)
[04:28] <cbx33> was going to offer to redo any that you need as well
[04:28] <cbx33> just finished lunch
[04:29] <highvoltage> cbx33: i've updated most of the screenshots on http://www.edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[04:29] <highvoltage> you could get some there if you want
[04:29] <cbx33> thank you
[04:29] <highvoltage> some of them i'll have to re-redo
[04:29] <cbx33> once again I'm so sorry
[04:29] <highvoltage> no problem at all
[04:29] <highvoltage> the OOo ones i didn't have nice docs to use as example content, so i just used anything randomg i could find, i'll update them with more relevant shots some time
[04:30] <cbx33> I can get those done, with the example content if you like
[04:30] <highvoltage> ok, it's no biggie though :)
[04:31] <cbx33> ok
[04:31] <cbx33> I'll have those by tonight
[04:32] <cbx33> any others you need?
[04:32] <cbx33> or would like
[04:32] <cbx33> i had them for every app
[04:32] <cbx33> with useful content
[04:32] <cbx33> bbl
[04:32] <highvoltage> i would've liked to have three more gnome screenshots
[04:33] <highvoltage> but can't think of any nice ones
[04:33] <highvoltage> ogra: you have any ideas?
[04:33] <ogra> nautilus probably ? 
[04:34] <ogra> firefox with the default homepage (scaled down a bit) ?
[04:35] <highvoltage> ok great
[04:36] <highvoltage> btw, sometimes after a dist-upgrade i get the xubuntu home page, and sometimes after a dist-upgrade i get the edubuntu start page. is that normal if i have both xubuntu-desktop and edubuntu-desktop installed?
[04:38] <ogra> heh, i guess that depends on the order how the packages were installed ... i'll change the priority
[04:45] <highvoltage> the d-i installer images doesn't scale down too well :(
[04:46] <highvoltage> i think i'll just cut the relevant parts out of the screenshots, instead of having the entire screen there, or an ugly scaled down version.
[04:48] <cbx33> highvoltage, just mail me a list of the shots you need
[04:48] <cbx33> I'll get them done tonight
[04:49] <cbx33> WIF
[04:49] <cbx33> sorry WOF
[04:49] <cbx33> With Out Fail
[04:53] <blue-frog> hi folks anyone familiar with schootool mo files?
[04:53] <blue-frog> I have in /fr/LC_MESSAGES 2 files messages.mo and schootool.mo are they both used by schooltool?
[04:59] <highvoltage> blue-frog: sorry that i keep pointing you to other places all the time. but perhaps #schooltool can help? sorry, wish I could help you :(
[05:00] <blue-frog> it's ok as long as I know where to look. ty
[05:08] <blue-frog> well maybe you can help for po files in general. If I translate a complete po file then compile it in mo file and then find out that there is still some english in the program, I must add reference to what is not translated in the po file by using something like #: /interfaces.py:105
[05:08] <blue-frog> msgid "Description"
[05:08] <blue-frog> msgstr "Description"
[05:09] <blue-frog> the hard part being to find the right reference (here that would be /interfaces.py:105)?
[05:55] <juliux> ogra, do you know why on edubuntu.de is no content?
[05:57] <ogra> juliux, ask the owner
[05:57] <juliux> ogra, ok 
[06:13] <LaserJock> morning Edubuntu people!
[06:28] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[06:30] <LaserJock> pong cbx33 
[06:32] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[06:32] <cbx33> hi jsgotangco 
[06:32] <jsgotangco> what's cookin?
[06:33] <cbx33> gISOMount :p
[06:33] <cbx33> heheh
[06:34] <lucasvo> anybody know a good app to do screen movies?
[06:35] <ogra> byzanz
[06:37] <jsgotangco> istanbul
[06:38] <ogra> depends which output format you want :)
[06:38] <highvoltage> yay, just a few short weeks and we'll be edubuntu'ing in paris :)
[06:38] <ogra> istanbul == ogg, byzanz == gif films
[06:38] <ogra> yeah
[06:39] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[06:39] <cbx33> pingger :p
[06:39] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[06:39] <cbx33> ok
[06:39] <cbx33> my new dapper machine is ready for screenshots
[06:39] <highvoltage> ok computer
[06:39] <highvoltage> but i told you i got the screenshots! :)
[06:40] <cbx33> but you said you might want some redone 
[06:40] <cbx33> with more content
[06:40] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: actually i still have to get a visa this week ;)
[06:41] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: me too!
[06:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: oh yes, I nearly forgot. ok you know what to do then.
[06:41] <jsgotangco> oh at least i know africans aren't allowed in europe instantly heh
[06:42] <cbx33> OOo with example content, any other apps you need?
[06:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: perhaps just some gnome/nautilus screenshots that look nice, thumbnails should be 200x150
[06:43] <cbx33> ok you got it
[06:44] <cbx33> highvoltage, can you confirm tuxtyping is in edubuntu
[06:44] <cbx33> on my latest install it's not here
[06:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: hmmm.. i think it has been taken out. ogra can you confirm?
[06:45] <highvoltage> we can just remove that one then
[06:45] <cbx33> yup
[06:45] <highvoltage> it's interesting what people enter in the 'search' field on the website
[06:45] <cbx33> indeed it is
[06:46] <ogra> tuxtype is gone, tuxmath stayed on i386 and ppc
[06:46] <highvoltage> (usb, thin client, ubuntu cd, parent control, parental filter, divx, configuring built-in webcam, codak, registry, ltsp, hardware, physics electrostatic)
[06:47] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you want to add a note about tuxmath on amd64
[06:47] <ogra> wow Amaranth will be famous it seems 
[06:47] <highvoltage> (download edubuntu, adsl, edubuntu ltsp server, dapper, wireless, virtual machine, authentication, 6.06, wallpaper, fracais, download mirror, sound, local hardware, systi flopi disk, school, ESA)
[06:47] <cbx33> i think we mentioned doing this before?
[06:47] <cbx33> oooh ESA
[06:47] <ogra> parental control in the top four
[06:47] <highvoltage> ogra: how so?
[06:47] <highvoltage> ah :)
[06:48] <highvoltage> (mp3player, programs, screen resolution, live, x windows, gstreatmer, kde, kdewifi, webmin, spanish, fedora, powerpc)
[06:48] <highvoltage> i'm surprised at how much the search button is being used. that's just some of the search phrases from the last two days!
[06:49] <ogra> nice
[06:49] <jsgotangco> where do i see those stats?
[06:49] <ogra> make statistics :) so we'll know whats wanted for edgy+1
[06:50] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: go to the admin page, then under the "Filter by message type" dropdown box, choose 'search'
[06:50] <cbx33> highvoltage, now you see why I kept on saying...the search button is broke :p
[06:50] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, will do.
[06:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep, that was before the site went live though, wasn't big priority for a long time
[06:51] <cbx33> heheh i know
[06:51] <cbx33> just kiddin
[06:51] <cbx33> highvoltage, what res are you using for your full size screen shots?
[06:51] <cbx33> 1024x768 - and did you use imagemagick
[06:52] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes, 1024x768 and no, i used gimp
[06:52] <cbx33> ok
[06:52] <cbx33> brb
[06:52] <jsgotangco> Access denied
[06:52] <jsgotangco> You are not authorized to access this page.
[06:54] <cbx33> back
[06:54] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the file extension for ogg movies?
[06:55] <jsgotangco> ogg
[06:55] <ogra> ogg indeed :)
[06:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, i will create another role for 'log viewers' and add you to that, will let you know, won't be now though
[06:56] <jsgotangco> np
[06:56] <cbx33> ogra, where is example content installed to?
[06:57] <cbx33> if you install from the CD it's in your home dir
[06:57] <cbx33> but from apt-get it seems to be missing
[06:57] <jsgotangco> that's a symlink
[06:57] <cbx33> ah
[06:57] <cbx33> jsgotangco, where is it :S:S
[06:57] <jsgotangco> do an ls you should be able to see where it goes
[06:57] <jsgotangco> probably /usr/share/example-content
[06:58] <cbx33> thanks jsgotangco 
[07:00] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu example content
[07:00] <jsgotangco> For each desktop application in the default install where it is practical,
[07:00] <jsgotangco> we provide at least one piece of example content. This is valuable for
[07:00] <jsgotangco> testing, experimentation and demonstration of Ubuntu (especially the live
[07:00] <jsgotangco> CD). These examples should be small but meaningful, and easily discoverable.
[07:00] <jsgotangco> "small"
[07:00] <jsgotangco> :D
[07:00] <cbx33> small
[07:01] <jsgotangco> its so small we couldn't fit it in edubuntu
[07:01] <cbx33> 19Mb = small?
[07:01] <cbx33> *pah*
[07:01] <cbx33> highvoltage, what about scribus
[07:01] <cbx33> or inkscape?
[07:03] <highvoltage> cbx33: add it
[07:03] <cbx33> ok
[07:06] <cbx33> tbh highvoltage, looking at it....your content looks even better than the example content
[07:07] <highvoltage> it's more relevance which i were concerned than how good it looks
[07:08] <cbx33> ok
[07:08] <cbx33> I'll recreate with example content
[07:10] <highvoltage> ok, no urgency in that
[07:10] <cbx33> I'm doing it now
[07:10] <highvoltage> don't let it keep you from doing other useful stuff :)
[07:10] <cbx33> at the mo, I'm working o nscreenshots, reformatting my wifes pc and setting up LP for gisomount
[07:10] <cbx33> and I'm hopefully going to get a chance to do some more wiki work too
[07:11] <cbx33> ogra, did you say we are keeping all LTSP docs back
[07:11] <ogra> ast least keep them editable in the old place
[07:12] <ogra> the docteam is free to copy them over, but i object on removals
[07:12] <ogra> s/on/to/ ?
[07:14] <cbx33> ok good
[07:14] <cbx33> ogra, just outta interest : https://launchpad.net/products/gisomount
[07:15] <highvoltage> cbx33: you writing that?
[07:15] <cbx33> yup
[07:15] <highvoltage> cool idea.
[07:15] <cbx33> it's in beta at the mo...beta meaning it does actually work
[07:15] <cbx33> just a few issues to iron out
[07:15] <cbx33> I'll package up into a tarball soon
[07:15] <highvoltage> aaah, is that what beta means.
[07:15] <highvoltage> :p
[07:16] <cbx33> yeh alpha is ...don;t even both trying...all we have written is the first sentence - or build the gui in glade
[07:16] <cbx33> beta means it works...but you might not like it
[07:16] <cbx33> you need to create some dirs at the moment
[07:16] <cbx33> /mnt/vcd1 through to vcd5
[07:20] <cbx33> when i package it that will be taken care of
[07:20] <ogra> uuh, please not in /mnt
[07:20] <cbx33>  /media/
[07:21] <ogra> the usual place to mount removable stuff is /media
[07:21] <ogra> right
[07:22] <cbx33> highvoltage, how about
[07:22] <cbx33> vcdrom
[07:22] <cbx33> iwant to tie it in, so as soon as you've mounted, it loads nautilus
[07:23] <cbx33> but for people who don;t have it I don;t know how to handle it
[07:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: sounds good. i don't know how ubuntu-legal that is though
[07:23] <cbx33> at the moment, it's not part of ubuntu
[07:23] <cbx33> :p
[07:24] <cbx33> I can always changed it later
[07:24] <cbx33> so /media/vcdrom1-5
[07:26] <ogra> i'd read the label and use that as mounpoint name :)
[07:27] <cbx33> hmmm
[07:27] <highvoltage> cbx33: do you have to run this program with sudo?
[07:27] <cbx33> that's too clever for me yet
[07:27] <cbx33> highvoltage, yes
[07:27] <cbx33> as it mounts
[07:27] <cbx33> and i can't make sure people want/have setuid
[07:28] <cbx33> ogra, I'll file that as a wishlist bug
[07:28] <cbx33> unless you want to
[07:28] <ogra> suid ? what for ? 
[07:28] <cbx33> ogra, have noticed what could be a bug - I installed edubuntu from the CD last week, on tues.......did an upgrade today, and either oodraw icon was never there, or it has been lost
[07:28] <cbx33> ogra, mounting
[07:29] <ogra> use pmount ;)
[07:29] <ogra> right, its missing for me in my new install as well ...
[07:29] <cbx33> oh bloody eck - now you tell me
[07:29] <ogra> damned
[07:29] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[07:30] <ogra> i'd like to know first if its missing in ubuntu as well
[07:31] <cbx33> yeh
[07:31] <cbx33> i'm afraid I can't check that at the moment
[07:34] <ogra> cbx33, its there in alacarte
 ogra: yes, requested by the menu cabal
[07:34] <ogra> so its not a bug :/
[07:35] <ogra> even though i'd see it as one
[07:35] <cbx33> I'd say that's a bug
[07:35] <spacey> whats the menu cabal?
[07:35] <ogra> menu simplification spec
[07:36] <spacey> ah
[07:36] <ogra> from montreal
[07:36] <cbx33> it should have stayed in the office set of icons
[07:37] <ogra> nope it should be in the graphics menu
[07:37] <ogra> imho
[07:37] <cbx33> ^^^ imho too :p
[07:37] <cbx33> but i think it needs to be in the menu set......if a package that big is installed - the menu should be visible
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[07:38] <ogra> well, not much i can do about it two days before we roll the final iso
[07:38] <spacey> i guess it is not a heavily used application
[07:39] <cbx33> ogra, no
[07:39] <cbx33> it's a recent change
[07:39] <highvoltage> ogra: what is the menu cabal?
[07:39] <ogra> well, we dont ship inkscape, so its the only vecor drawing app we have 
[07:40] <ogra> so imho it should be visible by default as one ...
[07:40] <cbx33> I'm really sorry for not spotting that on sooner
[07:40] <ogra> *vector
[07:40] <cbx33> ogra, I can't use pmount
[07:40] <cbx33> unless you want to rewrite it....
[07:40] <cbx33> no support for loop devices
[07:40] <ogra> not with sudo, no
[07:40] <ogra> oh
[07:40] <cbx33> :p
[07:40] <cbx33> i'll have to stick to mount for now
[07:41] <ogra> highvoltage, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MenusRevisited
[07:42] <ogra> #
[07:42] <ogra> OpenOffice from Template [Done] 
[07:42] <ogra>     *
[07:42] <ogra>       - hide, can be accessed from within OO
[07:43] <cbx33> math has gone too
[07:43] <ogra> yep
[07:44] <cbx33> infact
[07:44] <cbx33> there were some sever font isues last time i tried it
[07:44] <cbx33> highvoltage, think we need firefox screenshots too?
[07:46] <highvoltage> i don't think it's really edubuntu specific though
[07:46] <cbx33> ok
[07:46] <highvoltage> the screenshots page mostly show off things that's specific to edubuntu
[07:46] <highvoltage> ogra suggested a firefox window unmaximised, showing the default page, which we can add to the gnome desktop section
[07:47] <ogra> you wnated stuff to fill the page :)
[07:48] <highvoltage> well, i just wondered if there's any gnome coolness that we need to show off
[07:48] <cbx33> gisomount - 
[07:48] <highvoltage> but the two different wallpapers already looks nice there :)
[07:48] <cbx33> oh damn it's not in there yet :p
[07:48] <highvoltage> ogra: have you seen? http://www.edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[07:49] <ogra> cool
[09:11] <blue-frog> how do I get another login screen on the ltsp workstation? the white one is nice but no language choice?
[09:14] <ogra> blue-frog, not implemented yet
[09:15] <blue-frog> ah
[09:16] <blue-frog> how do i make the workstations use a langauge instead of another then?
[09:16] <highvoltage> ogra: is it possible to login with a passwordless user in LDM (assuming PAM is correctly set up for this)?
[09:16] <ogra> nope
[09:16] <ogra> not yet
[09:16] <ogra> thats all on the list for edgy (if we even keep ldm)
[09:16] <highvoltage> ogra: is that a nope to blue-frog, or me?
[09:17] <ogra> to you
[09:17] <highvoltage> ogra: are you hinting that gdm might have ssh login capability? that would be rockin'
[09:17] <ogra> blue-frog, do it in the user session
[09:17] <ogra> highvoltage, it already has, was just introduced one or two weeks ago
[09:18] <ogra> so it was to late for me to even think about it ...
[09:18] <highvoltage> oh wow, that's great!
[09:18] <highvoltage> pity they couldn't have done that 6 months ago
[09:18] <ogra> well, i'm still pretty sceptical
[09:19] <highvoltage> is it still buggy? or are you sceptical that they've actually made it work?
[09:19] <ogra> unless they solve the language and session selection prob for us i dosnt see any advantage beyond ldm
[09:19] <blue-frog> ogra need help don't see any menu to change on the fly session language
[09:20] <ogra> gdm is way bigger than ldm so i'd prefer to keep and enhance it unless gdm gains us anything beyond its functionallity
[09:20] <highvoltage> if ldm had slightly better theming, and the session and language buttons, then it would be great
[09:20] <ogra> yes
[09:21] <ogra> themeing will improve 
[09:21] <blue-frog> in breezy we used to have session and language buttons, didn't we?
[09:21] <ogra> session and language are a ssh probelm ...
[09:21] <ogra> nope
[09:21] <highvoltage> and i'd like passwordless login capability too :)
[09:21] <ogra> there was a menu in ldm but that was nonfunctional (and mdz didnt allow me to take it out)
[09:21] <ogra> highvoltage, indeed
[09:21] <ogra> thats on my list already
[09:22] <highvoltage> since it's on your list, may i make another suggestion?
[09:22] <ogra> sure
[09:22] <highvoltage> what i've been wanting to hack in gdm for the longest time for tuxlabs, is to create a 'Guest Login' button on the login screen
[09:23] <highvoltage> which creates a random user and logs you in, and when you log out, the account is deleted
[09:23] <highvoltage> sometimes people do weird things in our current guest accounts, and when other people log in later
[09:23] <highvoltage> the panels have been moved around and languages has changed, etc and then the guest user is confused
[09:24] <ogra> hmm, afaik we'll get an app to reset user accopunts from SoC
[09:24] <highvoltage> that we have from K12-LTSP too (the reset accounts script)
[09:24] <highvoltage> or does the SoC app have more features?
[09:25] <ogra> no idea, i just saw it on the proposals page
[09:27] <blue-frog> ogra ok ty the language stuff works for users to log in with all the same language but then you're telling me that one user ca't decide to have an italian session while the other are in french, correct?
[09:27] <ogra> yep
[09:27] <ogra> you can try setting it via gdm on the server (i never tried that)
[09:27] <ogra> (per user)
[09:27] <ogra> as a workaround
[09:28] <blue-frog> well th's a no for me even though I will have a look... teachers am gonna see soon hopefully won't make it that far
[09:28] <ogra> i think it writes that stuff into ~/.dmrc, gnome will respect that
[09:28] <blue-frog> i'll do it for my personnal knowledge thouhg
[09:31] <ogra> blue-frog, create a ~/.dmrc for the users and add: 
[09:31] <ogra> [Desktop] 
[09:32] <ogra> Session=default
[09:32] <ogra> Language=it_IT.UTF-8
[09:32] <ogra> for italian for example
[09:32] <ogra> (indeed the language pack for that locale must be installed)
[09:33] <blue-frog> ok ty I have to think about a simple button (K12 is gonna help) for the teacher to push this to pupil's folder
[09:34] <blue-frog> I do believe that they all will use the same language per courses but just in case..
[09:34] <ogra> the prob is that i cant get the list of supported languages easily from the server *before* the user logged in
[09:34] <ogra> same for sessions
[09:34] <blue-frog> not a problem
[09:34] <ogra> it is :)
[09:35] <ogra> and i'd like to have it solved in edgy
[09:35] <blue-frog> I decide what languages are on the server and what languages I put in ~/.dmrc
[09:35] <ogra> ldm aready has the complete code for language and session selection including gui pieces and all
[09:35] <ogra> its just that i cant get the info what should be in the selection
[09:36] <blue-frog> sad
[09:36] <ogra> yeah
[09:36] <ogra> i have no idea yet how to check that with only ssh in a non hackish way
[09:37] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[09:37] <blue-frog> anyway am just thinking that gcompris language can be changed from within a session so this solves my immediate problem
[09:37] <ogra> true
[09:38] <Yagisan> blue-frog: ogras workaround re setting it via gdm didn't work for me.
[09:39] <ogra> Yagisan, you have the necessary language-support-* package installed ? 
[09:39] <blue-frog> ok ty anyway that would have been to much a hassle for "my" teachers, i would setup ltps server myself from a normal ubuntu to have "normal" gdm login screen..
[09:41] <Yagisan> ogra: of course.
[09:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: you here?
[09:41] <Yagisan> ogra: I'll give it another go later, as we have had some updates since then
[09:42] <cbx33> yup
[09:42] <cbx33> just png crushing those images and they are done
[09:42] <blue-frog> oh highvoltage you're john carter, right?
[09:43] <highvoltage> blue-frog: nope
[09:43] <highvoltage> blue-frog: not john
[09:43] <blue-frog> ah sry then.
[09:43] <ogra> but neraly
[09:43] <blue-frog> sry am lazy
[09:43] <highvoltage> blue-frog: http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf
[09:43] <blue-frog> on typing tonight
[09:43] <highvoltage> hehe. ok.
[09:44] <blue-frog> just seen a small glitch on getting started page fro edubuntu
[09:44] <highvoltage> please point out :)
[09:44] <blue-frog> you write gksudo "gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf"  but the picture is about gksudo lts.conf
[09:44] <ogra> ooooohhhh
[09:45] <highvoltage> aaah
[09:45] <highvoltage> ogra: really? i subsribed like, 5 minutes after the list was created!
[09:45] <highvoltage> blue-frog: thanks, i'll get that fixed
[09:45] <ogra> highvoltage, oh, you didnt use the shots from the edubuntu-docs package ? 
[09:46] <ogra> highvoltage, you are subscribed already 
[09:46] <blue-frog> and eventually if you can add that from where you can get a default lts.conf file (e.g /opt/ltsp/usr/share..
[09:46] <ogra> as everybody from -devel is
[09:46] <highvoltage> ooh, no. but i'll do so for that shot
[09:46] <highvoltage> ogra: aah
[09:46] <highvoltage> blue-frog: that's a great suggestion, i'll add to the todo list
[09:47] <highvoltage> ogra: the top sites that refered people to edubuntu.org today is:
[09:47] <highvoltage> 699 hits: http://www.ubuntu.com/
[09:47] <highvoltage> 210 hits http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[09:47] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/images-crushed.tar.gz
[09:48] <cbx33> highvoltage, there ya go
[09:48] <cbx33> bbl
[09:48] <highvoltage> 93 hits: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?di...
[09:48] <ogra> haha
[09:48] <highvoltage> cbx33: cool, thanks
[09:48] <ogra> 93 hits, really ? 
[09:48] <highvoltage> yep. just today.
[09:48] <ogra> nice !
[09:48] <highvoltage> from distrowatch. i think that's quit cool!
[09:48] <highvoltage> yeah!
[09:48] <blue-frog> am doomed with sound...
[09:49] <highvoltage> down the line there's even an: 42 hits: http://www.xubuntu.org/
[09:49] <ogra> thats vaused by the ltsp announcement i guess
[09:49] <ogra> *caused
[09:49] <highvoltage> and a measly 12 from google!
[09:49] <blue-frog> have activated the sounds thru lts.conf BUT gcompris play the sounds on th server not the client :(
[09:50] <highvoltage> we probably need some search engine optimisation in that case
[09:50] <highvoltage> or perhaps all the new pages aren't properly indexed yet
[09:50] <highvoltage> blue-frog: hmmm. does your system sounds play through the pc?
[09:50] <blue-frog> system sound ok on the client
[09:50] <blue-frog> not gcompris
[09:51] <ogra> blue-frog, try running: esddsp gcompris
[09:51] <blue-frog> still the same, on the server
[09:52] <highvoltage> the homepage got 2666 hits today
[09:52] <highvoltage> and the screenshot page 721 (which might have been 50% me :) )
[09:52] <ogra> blue-frog, esddsp -s $ESPEAKER gcompris
[09:53] <highvoltage> faq had 227 and and downloads 221
[09:53] <ogra> ?
[09:53] <blue-frog> same
[09:53] <ogra> strange
[09:53] <blue-frog> ah one idea
[09:54] <ogra> man gcompris ;)
[09:54] <cbx33> highvoltage, hehehe
[09:54] <ogra> gcompris --espeaker=$ESPEAKER
[09:55] <cbx33> highvoltage, have you enabled stats on tha page tehn?
[09:55] <cbx33> oh i see
[09:55] <cbx33> you're looking at referers
[09:55] <highvoltage> yep
[09:55] <highvoltage> cbx33: btw, can you do me and mdke a favour on the edubuntu wiki pages when you edit them?
[09:56] <cbx33> sure
[09:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: could you please add "CategoryDocumentation" to all the edubuntu doc pages?
[09:56] <blue-frog> have used lts.conf from /opt/ltsp/usr/.... and used it as it is just adding sound=true to the default server stuff (the second one)
[09:56] <cbx33> highvoltage, is this fo the move?
[09:56] <blue-frog> ogra still a non for gcompris :(
[09:56] <highvoltage> cbx33: yes
[09:56] <cbx33> cos ogra said he didn't wanna move yet....unless something has changed
[09:56] <ogra> blue-frog, thats ok, even though you shouldnt use the example file
[09:56] <cbx33> I'm in a state of flux
[09:57] <cbx33> ogra, what am i doing here?
[09:57] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, i think i missed that
[09:57] <ogra> blue-frog, if you have the system sounds coming out of the client, the prob is in gcompris
[09:57] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the objection against moving to ubuntu docspace?
[09:58] <cbx33> hte line i got was, we will move when the docs are not WIP
[09:58] <blue-frog> yes i thought so indeed
[09:58] <ogra> highvoltage, hmm, we talked several times about it
[09:58] <cbx33> i think it's in the meeting minutes :p
[09:58] <ogra> highvoltage, editability
[09:58] <cbx33> brb
[09:58] <highvoltage> i thought the new wiki will be editable too?
[09:59] <ogra> highvoltage, but Burgundavia told me they will still be editable through the new wiki
[09:59] <ogra> i just dont understand the purpose of the edubuntu wiki then 
[09:59] <highvoltage> ogra: sorry, but i'm having trouble understanding you :(
[09:59] <highvoltage> ogra: your main objection is editibility, but it will be editible?
[09:59] <ogra> highvoltage, initially it sounded like they want everything on help.ubuntu.com
[10:00] <highvoltage> ah, i see what you mean.
[10:00] <ogra> which would have meaned that people can only change stuff to SVN
[10:00] <highvoltage> yuck
[10:00] <ogra> so i objected heavily
[10:00] <ogra> but they want to open another *sigh* wiki where they pull the doc stuff from 
[10:00] <highvoltage> mdke confirmed the new docspace will be in an editible wiki
[10:01] <ogra> but then i dont understand why we should still have the edubuntu wiki
[10:01] <highvoltage> yeah. a doc-specific wiki, it seems
[10:01] <highvoltage> it is a bit strange, i must admit
[10:01] <ogra> and since many of our docs are still in flux i'm not happy about the ide to move them
[10:01] <ogra> so i'd like to keep the stuff where it is for now
[10:01] <ogra> we can still move
[10:02] <highvoltage> the problem i can see with leaving them is, that they're going to be the only 'documentation' left on the wiki, since pretty much everything else is going to move
[10:02] <ogra> well, what will be left then ? 
[10:02] <cbx33> exactly
[10:02] <ogra> some laptop testing pages 
[10:02] <highvoltage> ogra: old specificatoins and user pages :)
[10:02] <highvoltage> (according to mdke)
[10:03] <ogra> and ugly tabled pages and lists where people coordinated work through the wiki
[10:03] <highvoltage> yep
[10:03] <ogra> additionally it fregments everything
[10:03] <ogra> i'm not happy about it
[10:03] <highvoltage> absolutely
[10:03] <highvoltage> that's the biggest bad thing about it
[10:03] <highvoltage> which is why i want all our stable documentation in the website, so that a user knows he can search there and find what he wants
[10:04] <highvoltage> instead of having to search through three different sites
[10:04] <ogra> yep
[10:04] <ogra> but we have a *lot* of unfinished stuff 
[10:04] <highvoltage> yeah. i feel better about documentation in this release than the last one though.
[10:05] <cbx33> so what do we do
[10:05] <ogra> yep thats true you guys improved it a lot
[10:05] <ogra> not to say you all ROCK :)
[10:05] <cbx33> so we don;t rock ?? :(
[10:05] <cbx33> hehe
[10:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: well, perhaps just not yet ;)
[10:06] <ogra> you do
[10:06] <cbx33> highvoltage, oooooh
[10:06] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, this new wiki will have the same editing rules as the current one, it will just be exclusively about docs
[10:06] <cbx33> Burgundavia, who's going to police this.....
[10:07] <Burgundavia> cbx33, the doc team
[10:07] <cbx33> hehe
[10:07] <ogra> Burgundavia, and how do you avoind that people still write docs on the old wiki ? 
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ogra, we LART them and then move the docs over
[10:07] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: how will users know where to search for docs, and how will they do it. will the search button on the main wiki search through doc pages too?
[10:07] <cbx33> all good points
[10:08] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, no, but it will be very clear there are no end user docs on the main wiki
[10:08] <cbx33> to discuss doc transition?
[10:08] <highvoltage> cbx33: as soon as you call it an official meeting, then it lasts too long and no conclusions are reached ;)
[10:08] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, why do the edubuntu people not simply move everything to drupal?
[10:08] <cbx33> but we get to write about the pointlessness in minutes :p
[10:09] <cbx33> Burgundavia, I thought of that
[10:09] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: we'll be doing that for the stable docs
[10:09] <cbx33> but then
[10:09] <cbx33> there is the editability issue
[10:09] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: mdke wants us to have everythin in the move too
[10:09] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: but that causes duplication and more maintenance
[10:09] <Burgundavia> how the edubuntu team wants to solve the duplication issue is really up to you guys
[10:10] <Burgundavia> I favour getting off the wiki entirely, if you are putting stable docs somewhere else
[10:10] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: so the unstable docs can move over, ogra had some objections previously regarding editibility, but since the new wiki will be editible, ogra is fine with the move
[10:10] <blue-frog> to change subject very quickly. Does any of you have a webcam which works with dapper? if yes please give me it's reference.
[10:10] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: so unfinished docs move along with CategoryDocumentation, and then later on we'll move it off there (if necassary)
[10:10] <cbx33> to where ?
[10:11] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:11] <highvoltage> cbx33: to drupal
[10:11] <cbx33> ahh right
[10:11] <cbx33> what we need is an svn drupal plugin
[10:11] <cbx33> so that the svn docs can stay up to date ;)
[10:11] <cbx33> and still be upto date on the site
[10:11] <cbx33> i suppose there shouldn;t be a lot of changes though
[10:12] <cbx33> however we will need somene to be in charge of drupal doc updates so they don't get lost
[10:12] <cbx33> imho
[10:12] <highvoltage> stable docs will really just need to change with new releases
[10:12] <cbx33> ok
[10:13] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think that would be jsgAWAY for now. but can change later on.
[10:13] <cbx33> ok np
[10:13] <cbx33> just thinking ahead
[10:22] <highvoltage> goodnigh ogra, cbx33 and blue-frog 
[10:22] <cbx33> nn highvoltage 
[10:22] <highvoltage> may the force be with you.
[10:22] <cbx33> were thos ss ok?
[10:22] <blue-frog> bye
[10:23] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm downloading them tomorrow morning
[10:23] <cbx33> ok cool
[10:23] <cbx33> lemme know
[10:23] <cbx33> tomorrow is bank holiday here :D
[10:30] <thom_> is there something I can do for safe child internet surfing?
[10:31] <blue-frog> install squid
[10:31] <thom_> or can i allow only certain sites somehow?
[10:31] <cbx33> thom_, censornet is great
[10:32] <cbx33> but you have to intall it on a seperate machine
[10:32] <cbx33> but it has really good fine grain controls
[10:32] <cbx33> you can even limit bacdwidth
[10:33] <Burgundavia> thom_, we are in the process of developing two tools that will help you, if you also want to help in development of those
[10:33] <thom_> i have a few computers sharing internet at home
[10:33] <cbx33> Burgundavia, indeed that was going to be my next point
[10:33] <cbx33> :p
[10:33] <thom_> thanks
[10:34] <thom_> Burgundavia: where can i find out about these new tools?
[10:34] <Burgundavia> thom_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnselmoApplicationSoC2006 <-- this is a new browser for child-safe surfing
[10:35] <ogra> thom_, currently you have only the options of squidguard and dansguardian
[10:35] <Burgundavia> the other piece is going to be a content filter that the above will plug into
[10:35] <thom_> ok, i have heard of the latter
[10:35] <Burgundavia> ogra, the dans guardian developer is mad
[10:35] <ogra> thom_, but for edgy we have someone working on a easy solution for content filtering
[10:35] <ogra> Burgundavia, dansguardian is mad
[10:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, tools follows developer, no?
[10:36] <thom_> ok, im also a teacher, will be for 5th grade again maybe, thanks
[10:36] <Burgundavia> thom_, dansguardian is CIPA compliant
[10:36] <ogra> Burgundavia, hmm, so lets see how insane amaranth is :)
[10:37] <Burgundavia> heh
[10:37] <cbx33> thom_, if you have a spare machine, for now till the tools are ready censornet is excellent free software
[10:37] <thom_> the waldorf shcool here has some new computers and no OS, im trying to get them interested in Linux
[10:37] <thom_> but its lots of work
[10:37] <ogra> thom_, http://www.digitallumber.com/software/willow/
[10:38] <Burgundavia> ogra, you know, our release schedule sucks for schools
[10:38] <ogra> thats what we'll get (hopefully) with a nice gtk and web gui for management
[10:38] <thom_> great, im going to look into all of this
[10:38] <Burgundavia> ogra, has Amaranth talked to you about the issue he has had with willow?
[10:38] <ogra> Burgundavia, not at all :) they will get stable software even with stuff in -updates and -security :)
[10:39] <ogra> Burgundavia, he didnt talk to me at all yet
[10:39] <Burgundavia> ogra, basically Willow is a mess
[10:39] <ogra> and i'm very short of time until thursday
[10:39] <Burgundavia> license is a mess, code is a mess, etc.
[10:39] <ogra> well
[10:40] <ogra> i'm not opposed if he starts a rewrite, not even if it goes beyond SoC
[10:40] <Burgundavia> that is what he was thinking
[10:40] <ogra> as long as he delivers good work in the SoC time i wont step in the way
[10:40] <Burgundavia> basically the license is the big issue, because if you read strictly, only one file is under the gpl, the others are not clear
[10:40] <ogra> and if you dont read strictly ? 
[10:41] <Burgundavia> still pretty unclear
[10:41] <Burgundavia> he ships the gpl but doesn't say what it applies to
[10:41] <Burgundavia> s/he/the willow developer
[10:41] <ogra> yep
[10:41] <thom_> i saw pclinuxos has a child safe version, but its not gpl either
[10:41] <Burgundavia> plus Amaranth says the code is a mess
[10:42] <Burgundavia> he pinged the author but has not heard back (as of a few days ago)
[10:42] <ogra> thom_, if we want to ship it on the CD it must be easily maintainable (which excludes dansguardian and squidguard) and free indeed
[10:42] <thom_> oh.
[10:42] <ogra> Burgundavia, ok, i'll jump in on that after friday
[10:42] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[10:43] <Burgundavia> Amaranth is quite keen to chat with you about it
[10:43] <ogra> i'm just to busy with release stuff atm
[10:43] <thom_> well maybe its simpler for me, i am only going to allow a few web sites
[10:43] <Burgundavia> we may also be able to get Anselmo to write your pygtk gui for us
[10:47] <Burgundavia> ogra, do you have any idea what this landscape-client is?
[10:47] <ogra> Burgundavia, confident 
[10:47] <Burgundavia> confidental, you mean?
[10:47] <ogra> Burgundavia, not sure i'm allowed to talk about it 
[10:47] <ogra> yes
[10:48] <ogra> so i wont unless i know for sure
[10:48] <Burgundavia> hmm, where is JaneW when we need her :)
[10:48] <ogra> but apt-cache show landscape-client ;)
[10:48] <Burgundavia> she leaks like a sieve
[10:48] <ogra> Burgundavia, resigned
[10:48] <Burgundavia> I know, very sad :(
[10:48] <ogra> yep
[10:48] <ogra> now i'm alone with edubuntu
[10:48] <Yagisan> ??
[10:49] <ogra> but i hope that'll change again
[10:49] <Burgundavia> what sort of person are you looking for?
[10:49] <Burgundavia> ie, is it something I could apply for?
[10:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, there were roumors i could get a developer and i hope there will also a JaneW replacement
[10:50] <ogra> but i have no concrete info at all yet
[10:50] <ogra> so we'll see 
[10:50] <ogra> s/also/also be/
[10:51] <AliasVegas> hi
[10:52] <ogra> hey lisa \o/
[10:52] <ogra> our lead artworker is here !! :)
[10:52] <AliasVegas> hi ogra :)
[10:53] <blue-frog> could i have the path to download dapper-desktop-i386 (cd and dvd), pls? must admit am a bit lost right now at the cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage directory
[10:53] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[10:53] <blue-frog> sry ogra not edu just ubuntu
[10:53] <ogra> oh -desktop-i386 ? so you want ubuntu ? 
[10:54] <blue-frog> got edubuntu in both dvd and cd already :)
[10:54] <lucasvo> is there a good command line cd burning programm?
[10:54] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:54] <cbx33> heheh told you I'd get her in here.... :p
[10:54] <blue-frog> yes ogra going to swith my breezy to dapper
[10:54] <ogra> cbx33, cool :)
[10:54] <lucasvo> last update broke my system :(
[10:55] <cbx33> unfortunately AliasVegas is suffering from the flu
[10:55] <cbx33> so I'm going to put her to bed....
[10:55] <ogra> AliasVegas, get well soon, and come back here :)
[10:55] <AliasVegas> *cough* *cough*
[10:55] <lucasvo> AliasVegas: good night!
[10:55] <AliasVegas> thanks ogra :)
[10:55] <AliasVegas> night lucasvo 
[10:56] <AliasVegas> send us a pic :p all is possible :p
[10:56] <blue-frog> ty ogra
[10:56] <blue-frog> fols do you use bazaar?
[10:57] <blue-frog> folks*
[10:57] <ogra> blue-frog, sure, else canonical would fire me :)
[10:57] <blue-frog> well just making sure :)
[10:57] <lucasvo> lol
[10:57] <blue-frog> going to apply for the job i saw on ubuntu employment page
[10:58] <cbx333> blue-frog, which one ?
[10:58] <blue-frog> community advocate for bazaar
[10:59] <blue-frog> it's kind of perfect forme. have always considered myself as the missing link between devs and users
[10:59] <cbx333> bbl guys
[10:59] <ogra> ciao cbx333
[11:00] <cbx333> I'll be back soon
[11:00] <blue-frog> would have liked to see same job for edubuntu but well can't win them all :)
[11:00] <cbx333> blue-frog, indeed
[11:00] <Burgundavia> blue-frog, I think something like that is coming
[11:00] <Burgundavia> in which case, you had better get in line behind me :)
[11:00] <ogra> well, not a community advocate i think
[11:01] <ogra> rather a development manager 
[11:01] <blue-frog> ah dev manager no can't do am afraid if dev skills are required
[11:02] <ogra> JaneW had no dev skills either
[11:02] <blue-frog> ah
[11:02] <ogra> its rather about the link between me and the management
[11:02] <ogra> and edu app knowledge
[11:03] <blue-frog> hum interesting but still i prefer the link between devs and users
[11:03] <ogra> kicking my ass and reporting about that to the management would be the job description ;)
[11:04] <blue-frog> worked before for a company creating server communication software, had to do the manuals in french and english so that they could be understandable for the common ppl
[11:05] <blue-frog> had fun with it, lts of travel as well to install the soft
[11:06] <blue-frog> ogra following your description, definitely not my scene :)
[11:09] <cbx333> :p
[11:10] <cbx333> then i fear it would be ogra kicking cbx333's ass
[11:10] <ogra> heh
[11:10] <cbx333> bbl
[11:11] <blue-frog> ogra rsync to cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/dapper-desktop-i386.iso gives me @error unknown module daily-live ?
[11:11] <divansantana> Hello Everyone!!
[11:12] <ogra> blue-frog,  cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily-...
[11:12] <Burgundavia> 'ello divansantana 
[11:12] <divansantana> With Edubuntu 5.10 can you dist-upgrade to Edubuntu Dapper without breaking ltsp?
[11:12] <blue-frog> ty
[11:12] <ogra> divansantana, yes, but i'd suggest recreating the ltsp chroot
[11:13] <divansantana> Hi Ogra! :)
[11:13] <divansantana> How do I do that?
[11:13] <ogra> divansantana, wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[11:13] <ogra> ;)
[11:13] <divansantana> ltsp-build-client ?
[11:13] <ogra> yep, see the wikipage
[11:13] <divansantana> wow! Kewl, thanks, will check it out.
[11:14] <ogra> if you just upgrade you'll miss some speedup patches that can only apply during client chroot buildtime
[11:14] <divansantana> That wiki should tell me everything?
[11:14] <divansantana> Cause I would like sounds and local devices,&speedup to work hopefully
[11:14] <divansantana> LTSP really rocks in Kubuntu(thats what im using).
[11:15] <ogra> divansantana, for the normal server upgarde just follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[11:15] <ogra> no local devices this release
[11:15] <ogra> but sound
[11:15] <divansantana> I have a Big Courier company using it internally on 100 users one server
[11:15] <ogra> and themed login manager
[11:15] <divansantana> Sound, yes? Local devices, no? 
[11:15] <ogra> yep
[11:15] <divansantana> Will thats better :) Login Manager would be welcomed!
[11:16] <ogra> we have the ltspfs and ltspfsd packages in universe
[11:16] <divansantana> Think users are going to be so happy
[11:16] <divansantana> what is that?
[11:16] <ogra> so you can pick the scripts from ltsp.org and make it work, but its not included by default yet
[11:17] <ogra> ltspfs is the base of all local device support 
[11:17] <divansantana> kewl, will try it, would it cause problems??
[11:17] <divansantana> Free software rocks because users get affected by upgrades in a possitive way frequently!
[11:17] <ogra> no idea, i have only recently upgraded the packages with the ubuntu fixes from ltsp.org
[11:18] <ogra> so it might cause probs, not sure
[11:18] <divansantana> This Muekow project is looking good! Wonder if LTSP is going to move that way...
[11:18] <divansantana> Will give it a try thats a mill!
[11:18] <ogra> but its the same version you'd get if you compile the ltsp.org stuff
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:19] <divansantana> I like Muekow more.
[11:19] <divansantana> Kewl keep well! Ciao!
[11:20] <ogra> yeah, but we're slower implementing stuff
[11:20] <ogra> ciao ! :)
[11:20] <divansantana> for now, i suppose... anyways "see you soon..."
[11:23] <blue-frog> ogra am going to install "normal" ltsp on "normal" ubuntu to see if i have same problem with gcompris sound. so i will be able to fill in proper bug report
[11:25] <ogra> i doubt you'll find anything different in ubuntu :) but go ahead
[11:44] <blue-frog> disconnected *@)!?\  well night all
[11:44] <ogra> night
[11:46] <Yagisan> ogra: could I trouble you to toss something though a dapper powerpc pbuilder for me
[11:47] <ogra> Yagisan, can you mail it please, i'm about to go to bed
[11:47] <Yagisan> ogra: sure. ogra @ ubuntu.com ?
[11:48] <ogra> yep
[11:48] <cbx333> ping Yagisan  - pm :p
[11:48] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks. will email you a bit later
[11:49] <Yagisan> cbx333: yep. I'm about to step out
[11:51] <Yagisan> cbx333: I have stepped out. will be back later
[11:52] <cbx333> ok