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goldenearthe problem is that konqueror uses utf-8 by default and the automatic detection of encodding doesn't always work... this is the case for the man pages (generated with man:something) that are encoded in ISO 8859-1512:12
goldenearsetting manualy the encoding to ISO 8859-15 will make konqueror display the man pages properly12:13
goldenearactualy automatic detection works ... but the man2html engine always insert this line : <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">12:17
frinkillohi all :)12:22
goldenearbonsoir frinkillo12:23
verwilstmy kmail mis-sorts my mails12:24
verwilsti have to click the bar above the date a few times to make it sort correctly12:24
verwilstvery strange12:24
verwilsti always choose "Date   ^"12:24
frinkilloit comes with "Date (order by arrival)" as default12:25
frinkilloI don't like that ordering either12:25
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bddebianHello01:36
Riddellevening bddebian 01:38
bddebianHeya Riddell.  How's things?01:39
goldenearhi bddebian01:39
Riddellok, got all of kde 3.5.3 compiled01:39
goldenearRiddell: did you read all my messages ?01:39
goldenearespecialy about man pages problem ?01:40
Riddellgoldenear: too late to change that for dapper01:40
RiddellI'm not convinced autodetection would work for all users01:40
goldenearI think the issue is not really autodetection01:41
goldenearthe coding is specified in the html header01:41
Riddellno, but autodetection wouldn't work as a fix01:41
Riddelldepending on your system locale01:41
goldenearnon autodetection is ok I think01:42
goldenearthe problem is in man2html01:42
bddebianHello goldenear01:42
goldenear(or the lib used by konq to convert man pages to html)01:42
bddebianRiddell: Cool01:43
goldenear(I don't know exactly how it works)01:43
goldenearbut what I know is that is should not create an html header with <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">01:44
Riddellgoldenear: got an example of a troublesome man page?01:44
goldenearthe correct header should be <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO8859-1">01:44
goldenearsure: man:/usr/share/man/fr/man8/aptitude.8.gz01:45
Riddellah, I'm not running in french today01:46
goldenearany accentuated man page (in any language) should show you the problem01:47
tomalooks good in my konqueror, automatic encoding01:49
goldeneartoma: in what language ?01:50
tomafrench, the urll you pasted01:51
goldenearwhat do you have in the html header ?01:53
toma<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15">01:54
goldenearhow are the locals set on your system ?01:55
tomai'm not completly up-to-date with dapper, dont know if that matters01:55
goldenearmay be01:55
tomaLANG=nl_NL01:55
goldenearA french guy on #kubuntu-fr also had the accents problem in man:pages01:56
Riddellthat man page looks very bad here01:56
goldenearwhat is your default encoding, UTF-8 or ISO8859-1 ?01:57
Riddellutf801:57
Riddellen_GB01:57
tomaso we could say that header is generated based on the system locale, not based on the content?01:58
goldenearI think yes01:59
goldenearmy locale is LANG=fr_FR.UTF-802:00
tomawhere is the script located?02:02
Riddellkdebase/kioslave/man/man2html.cpp02:03
tomalets have a look02:04
tomathere is a SIMPLE_MAN2HTML switch to switch from user locale to a fixed one (8859-1)02:06
tomathat switch is used more 02:08
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tomaI would remove the user defined lines, if all manpages are 885902:11
tomadiff at http://rafb.net/paste/results/KAwTEG43.html02:12
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Riddellnot all man pages will be 885902:19
tomawe could patch it via QTextCodec to change that, not sure if thats worth the efford though....02:30
Riddellkmplayer author on x-mplayer2 mimetype: It's a microsoft mimetype for WMP version n+1.02:33
goldenearRiddell: ok thanks for the information02:42
goldeneartoma: I think arabic or asiatic man pages use utf-802:43
tomaright02:45
RiddellI'd expect it depends on the mood of upstream02:46
tomaNicolas GOUTTE's time is limited afaik.02:47
tomai could mail him though02:47
Riddellwho?02:47
tomai've had some conversations with him before.02:48
tomanicolas Goutte is upstream according to the file02:48
goldenearRiddell: application/x-mplayer2 is indeed a microsoft stuff, nothing to do with mplayer... sorry for the confusion.02:49
Riddellcrazy02:49
goldenearRiddell: an interesting page about mime type : http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/winmime.html02:54
tomanight.02:55
goldeneargoodnight, toma02:55
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Hobbseeclaydoh: where are you?04:44
claydohMaine, Northeastern US04:44
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claydohjust put in the unit, just checking to see if irt is functional04:45
claydohif it is functional04:45
Hobbseeah okay04:46
Hobbseehehe04:46
claydohits a balmy 18.3 C04:47
claydoh64.9 F for us us folks04:48
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Hobbseeguess it's slightly warmer there than here...04:49
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bddebianHello jsgotangco05:01
jsgotangcogood morning05:01
Hobbseehi jsgotangco 05:03
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HobbseeRiddell: ping07:01
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nixternalHobbsee: what is this example-content that i keep seeing in update?08:23
Hobbseenixternal: not a clue.08:25
nixternali have seen it now for a couple of updates...wasn't until this week that i have noticed it08:25
crimsunread the description :-)08:29
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klugezkubuntu.org's koffice 1.5.1 packages are not working for me09:09
klugezkword: error while loading shared libraries: libkio.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory09:09
nixternalhmmm..i haven't tried them yet...let me dl and see what i get09:09
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klugezkspread and kpresenter give the same error09:10
nixternaland that is from the link onthe front page right?09:10
klugezdeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-151 dapper main09:10
Hobbseeplease dont tell me p.u.c is down too, like launchpad...09:11
Hobbseehmm...the file doesnt seem to exist in any of the packages...09:11
klugezkdelibs4c2a: /usr/lib/libkio.so.409:12
uniqit's not.09:12
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uniqp.u.c works for me.09:12
klugezi wonder if that's what they're trying to find09:12
Hobbseeklugez: may well be...09:12
crimsun.4, eh? sounds like autotools screwage.09:13
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nixternaljeesh...header dl is slow tonight09:31
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nixternalklugez: you got that error when you just started up kword and what not??? or were you doing some sort of work?09:42
nixternali installed it...and ran them with no problem...i want to see if i can reproduce the error09:43
klugeznixternal: i get the error trying to start them09:47
klugezso it seems it's a local problem09:48
nixternalahh09:48
klugezkoffice 1.5 worked, though, so i've no idea what i've done09:48
nixternalya..it runs actually pretty decent though09:48
nixternali have been wanting to dedicate more time to it and shy away from openoffice a little more09:49
nixternalyou gave me the opportunity to do so now09:49
nixternal`zzznite everyone09:54
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RiddellHobbsee: pong12:27
HobbseeRiddell: i found a patch for the kopete configure crash - but cant test it works, as i dont get the bug on my system.  what should happen about it?12:27
Riddellattach it to the bug report?  what's the number?12:28
Hobbseeit's attached....let me look up teh bug number :P12:29
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HobbseeRiddell: bug 3765712:30
UbugtuMalone bug 37657 in kdenetwork "Kopete Configure Crash" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3765712:30
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Hobbseeexcellent...full marks in the first half of the computing checkpoint..12:34
verwilsthellow12:35
verwilstcan a firefox-using dude please try this url?12:35
verwilsthttp://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/mediatheek/video-060527ganzen/index.shtml?play12:35
Riddellthis isn't a firefox using channel12:35
verwilsthehe12:36
verwilstwell, i don't use konqueror for surfing12:36
verwilstsince it's a bit too flaky media-wise12:36
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verwilstyeah, me neither12:36
verwilsti don't know what to install for it to work :$12:37
Hobbseemedia player, probably12:37
verwilstnah12:37
verwilstkaffeine plays it just fine12:37
Hobbseeseeing as it's directing you to the MS site to download the plugin manually...12:37
verwilstmaybe some mozplugger thingy or something12:37
seaLnein the html it has js tests about quicktime and wmp12:38
verwilstit plays fine in konqueror though12:39
verwilstfor once12:39
Riddelllet this be a lesson to you12:39
tomaRiddell: i think Carsten mail on i18n-doc is spot on. How can we improve rosette-kde intergration?12:39
Hobbseecome to think of it, where should the bugs of "this is not translated/translated properly"/etc go?12:41
Hobbseeto the respective lang packs, or something?12:41
Riddelltoma: I think carsten has missed the point about the advantage of a web frontend :)12:41
RiddellHobbsee: to the respective translation team12:41
HobbseeRiddell: gotcha12:41
tomaRiddell: no, he mentions it in point 312:41
tomait gives the possibility to translators to use rosette, but integrates it with the current workflow.12:42
verwilsthm, installing totem-xine-firefox-plugin makes it work12:42
Riddellrosetta users don't want to have to learn about sending diffs12:43
tomano, that should be automated of course12:43
tomaso the rosetta user does some translating and the system sends out a diff to the maintainer of that translation12:44
verwilstmozilla-mplayer, jaj ;)12:45
Riddelltoma: sounds exactly like how rosetta does work, except the the translator master approved it within rosetta and can then export the translations as .po12:46
tomaRiddell: the material in rosetta is based on a fork of kde translation. Carstens proposal is to base it on the actual work in kde-svn. And the control is based on the upstream maintainer.12:48
tomaRiddell: the way rosetta works now is a bit insulting to the upstream translators: they work hard and are proud at their work, but when an important distribution releases, they say their hard work altered.12:52
tomashould we discuss this at a kubuntu meeting or maybe this should be discussed in paris?12:55
Riddellimporting directly from SVN is a plan the rosetta people have12:55
tomaok, that would be cool, the best of both12:56
Riddellif ubuntu translation teams are altering their upstream translations that's daft and I think they'll learn not to12:56
Hobbseetoma: not all kubuntu people are doing translations, although a lot are.  12:56
Riddellit's hard to discuss in either a meeting or in paris as the rosetta developers won't be there12:56
tomaok, then i've no idea how to solve this12:58
tomaf1 time12:59
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Hobbseegrr.  it seems that computers do actually run out of battery power eventually.02:11
Riddelleventually?  my thinkpad runs out in about half an hour02:12
Hobbseemine runs out in just over an hour - probably about an hour and a half or somethign :(02:12
Hobbseei was goign ot turn it on when it started to flash, got called for dishes, so went and did them, and walked into the computer flashing, and it just deciding to shut itself down.  grr.02:14
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jeroenvrphi folks02:40
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jeroenvrpit seems we still have a problem02:40
jeroenvrpI'm talking about guidance's userconfig02:40
jeroenvrpit doesnt create a new homedir after I create a new user02:41
_Simejeroenvrp: hi02:41
_Simejeroenvrp: should we try reproducing this at my end on a clean install?02:41
jeroenvrp_Sime: be my guest02:41
jeroenvrpI've upgraded from breezy 02:42
_Simejeroenvrp: booting up my test machine now.02:42
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_Simejeroenvrp: have you tried running it from a shell ("sudo userconfig") and seeing if any error messages are printed?02:42
jeroenvrpbut a update from breezy should also work02:42
jeroenvrp_Sime: 02:42
jeroenvrpgood idea02:42
jeroenvrplets try that02:43
Riddelljeroenvrp: works for me02:47
jeroenvrpRiddell: _Sime: it doesnt work02:48
jeroenvrpI get no output on the command line02:49
jeroenvrpshould I remove something02:49
jeroenvrpor reinstall02:49
_Simejeroenvrp: describe exactly what you are seeing.02:56
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jeroenvrp_Sime: I open kcontrol or I do a kdesu or sudo userconfig02:57
jeroenvrpI click on new02:57
jeroenvrpI add the info, password and click ok02:58
jeroenvrpthe new user is not there02:58
_Simewhat is the info?02:58
jeroenvrpwhen I enable and disable 'show system users' it shows up02:58
jeroenvrpbut no homedir, allthough th user is created02:58
jeroenvrp_Sime: no info02:58
jeroenvrpI'm reinstalling now02:58
_Simewhat is the user name?02:59
jeroenvrpthe user name = remote02:59
jeroenvrpthe shee = rbash02:59
jeroenvrpshell I mean03:00
jeroenvrphomedir = /home/remote03:00
jeroenvrpdoesnt exist03:00
jeroenvrpuser remotge also not03:00
jeroenvrpI also tried it with username new_user03:00
_Simejeroenvrp: and there are no error messages?03:03
jeroenvrp_Sime: also after reinstalling (made sure no guidance files were left) still no results - no error messages03:03
_Simejeroenvrp: which language are you using?03:03
jeroenvrp_Sime: Dutch03:03
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jeroenvrp_Sime: let met try gdb03:04
jeroenvrpwait03:05
jeroenvrp_Sime: whats this: kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!03:05
_SimeI've seen that many of times; don't know what it is on about.03:05
_Simeseems harmless.03:06
jeroenvrpno than I dont knoqw03:07
jeroenvrpthan I will make the directory manualy03:07
jeroenvrphave to go03:07
_Simejeroenvrp: ik kan het straks testen in het nederlands.03:07
jeroenvrpok :-)03:07
_Simejeroenvrp: I might have to fix my network settings first.03:08
jeroenvrp_Sime: ik heb wel wat03:08
jeroenvrpsome output03:08
jeroenvrptracebback03:08
jeroenvrp  File "/usr/bin/userconfig", line 358, in slotNewClicked03:08
jeroenvrp    newuid = self.usereditdialog.showNewUser()03:08
jeroenvrp  File "/usr/bin/userconfig", line 886, in showNewUser03:09
jeroenvrp    self.admincontext.save()03:09
jeroenvrp  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unixauthdb.py", line 862, in save03:09
jeroenvrp    os.write(fd,u._getShadowEntry().encode(locale.getpreferredencoding()))03:09
_Simejeroenvrp: any more????03:09
jeroenvrp  File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unixauthdb.py", line 1046, in _getShadowEntry03:09
jeroenvrp    return u":".join( [self._username,03:09
jeroenvrpUnboundLocalError: local variable 'passexpirewarn' referenced before assignment03:09
_Simeok, I'll check the source here.03:09
jeroenvrpinvalid length 2490203:09
jeroenvrpFailed to process 45 bytes from server03:09
jeroenvrp_Sime: I really must go03:10
_Simecool, that info is useful.03:10
_Simethanks03:10
_Simefound it.03:12
jeroenvrp_Sime: adduser works03:14
jeroenvrpoh you have found it?03:14
_Simejeroenvrp: do you have a little bit of time right now?03:15
jeroenvrp_Sime: unfortunalu no03:15
jeroenvrpI have to go tom my mums birtday03:15
jeroenvrpI will be here at the of the evening03:16
jeroenvrpdutch time03:16
jeroenvrpthe end of the evening03:16
_Simethat's ok.03:16
_SimeI'm pretty sure I've got that bug now.03:16
_Sime(unless there is another one too!)03:16
_SimeRiddell: ping03:17
Riddell_Sime: yo03:17
_SimeI just commited a fix for jeroen's problem.03:18
_Simeone liner.03:18
_Simedo you want that in 6.06?03:18
Riddell_Sime: got the patch?03:19
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Riddelloh, it's not another unicode issue is it?  python is so evil for those03:19
_Simeno, it is something dumber. ;-)03:20
_SimeRiddell: do you get the commit mails from playground?03:20
RiddellI filter commits for kubuntu and some other interesting words03:21
_Simejriddel@ubuntu?03:22
_Simejriddell@ubuntu?03:22
Riddelljriddell@ubuntu.com03:22
_Simedone03:22
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Riddelljeroenvrp: would you be able to report this bug to launchpad?  it would make it easier to get the upload approved03:23
Riddellguess not :)03:24
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Riddelljeroenvrp: would you be able to report this bug to launchpad?  it would make it easier to get the upload approved03:24
jeroenvrpRiddell: ok, lets try a quick one than03:25
jeroenvrp_Sime: Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/4709003:31
UbugtuMalone bug 47090 in kde-guidance "No homedirectory created when creating a new user with userconfig" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  03:31
jeroenvrpNow I have to go :-)03:31
Riddellthanks jeroenvrp 03:31
_Simejeroenvrp: thanks, i'll add that to my change log.03:31
jeroenvrpcheers and thanks Riddell and especially _Sime 03:31
jeroenvrpsee you layer03:31
jeroenvrpt03:31
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_Simeno,    thank you!03:31
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goldenearhi there04:12
goldenearI'm experimenting a new problem with konq and embedded video04:13
goldenearthe problem is now about smil04:14
goldenearI've trying to change the mime types in konq, but nothing changes! I don't know why but kaffeine is always called to open smil mimetype...04:17
goldenearIs there a "harlinked" dependence between konqueror and kaffeine about the application/smil mime type ?04:18
goldenearthe url is http://www.rtvslo.si/modload.php?&c_mod=rnews - red tab on top "avdio/video" - opens new window - then i get warning "smil support rudimentary, kaffeine part will play... yes/no" in both cases crash04:18
goldenearThis is a serious bug because it makes konqueror crash every time!04:19
Hobbseegoldenear: is it in malone?04:20
OculusAquilaeconfirmed04:22
goldenearHobbsee: yes it is04:29
Hobbseegoldenear: cool, just checking04:29
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goldenearHobbsee: I wonder what is the mime type used in the web page on the slovenian web site04:41
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goldenearI tryed to check from the html source, but there are javascipt scripts everywhere ... so no way to check it easily :(04:42
goldenearHobbsee: what time is it for you ?04:43
Hobbseealmsot 1am monday04:43
goldenearaha04:46
goldenearwhere are you from ?04:46
Hobbseeaustralia04:46
goldenearok04:47
goldenearso have a good night :)04:47
Hobbseewill do04:48
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marseillaiRiddell: we've got on #kubuntu-fr someone who is trying to upgrade! he has kde 3.5.2 and dist-upgrade remove kubuntu-desktop and many kde-apps06:12
Riddellmarseillai: I need to do some test to see why that happens06:13
Riddellhe can easily install them again after the dist-upgrade06:13
marseillaiyes06:13
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poimenhey devs take a look at this app It will be nice fro kubuntu ( in my opinion)08:27
poimenhttp://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3834708:27
Riddellvery much a multiverse package I think :)08:28
Riddellbut sure, go ahead and package it08:28
Riddelldoc.ubuntu.com should have the packaging guide08:29
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poimenthankx08:33
poimen:)08:33
poimenRiddell you think kubuntu 6.06 will be nice on time for june 1?08:34
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Flosofthey09:58
Flosoftwhen will the release of Dapper be?10:00
crimsun1 june.10:00
Flosoftok ... will I be able to get it 24hrs before to put it onto the mirrors?10:00
crimsunno idea, probably not10:01
Flosoftdamn10:04
Flosoftwednesday evening?10:04
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Flosoftbtw ... good news ... I will add 5 new mirrors this week ;)10:14
goldenearthe iso will also be available with bittorent, won't it ?10:20
Luregoldenear: yes10:25
verwilst3 days and counting! :d10:30
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\shinfinity: good that you are still awake :) gnade, can you magically tell your ubuntu build system to build sourcepackage "gnade" just for i386? 11:23
\shargl11:24
\shwrong channel11:24
uniq:)11:24
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