[12:12] <goldenear> the problem is that konqueror uses utf-8 by default and the automatic detection of encodding doesn't always work... this is the case for the man pages (generated with man:something) that are encoded in ISO 8859-15
[12:13] <goldenear> setting manualy the encoding to ISO 8859-15 will make konqueror display the man pages properly
[12:17] <goldenear> actualy automatic detection works ... but the man2html engine always insert this line : <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
[12:22] <frinkillo> hi all :)
[12:23] <goldenear> bonsoir frinkillo
[12:24] <verwilst> my kmail mis-sorts my mails
[12:24] <verwilst> i have to click the bar above the date a few times to make it sort correctly
[12:24] <verwilst> very strange
[12:24] <verwilst> i always choose "Date   ^"
[12:25] <frinkillo> it comes with "Date (order by arrival)" as default
[12:25] <frinkillo> I don't like that ordering either
[01:36] <bddebian> Hello
[01:38] <Riddell> evening bddebian 
[01:39] <bddebian> Heya Riddell.  How's things?
[01:39] <goldenear> hi bddebian
[01:39] <Riddell> ok, got all of kde 3.5.3 compiled
[01:39] <goldenear> Riddell: did you read all my messages ?
[01:40] <goldenear> especialy about man pages problem ?
[01:40] <Riddell> goldenear: too late to change that for dapper
[01:40] <Riddell> I'm not convinced autodetection would work for all users
[01:41] <goldenear> I think the issue is not really autodetection
[01:41] <goldenear> the coding is specified in the html header
[01:41] <Riddell> no, but autodetection wouldn't work as a fix
[01:41] <Riddell> depending on your system locale
[01:42] <goldenear> non autodetection is ok I think
[01:42] <goldenear> the problem is in man2html
[01:42] <bddebian> Hello goldenear
[01:42] <goldenear> (or the lib used by konq to convert man pages to html)
[01:43] <bddebian> Riddell: Cool
[01:43] <goldenear> (I don't know exactly how it works)
[01:44] <goldenear> but what I know is that is should not create an html header with <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
[01:44] <Riddell> goldenear: got an example of a troublesome man page?
[01:44] <goldenear> the correct header should be <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO8859-1">
[01:45] <goldenear> sure: man:/usr/share/man/fr/man8/aptitude.8.gz
[01:46] <Riddell> ah, I'm not running in french today
[01:47] <goldenear> any accentuated man page (in any language) should show you the problem
[01:49] <toma> looks good in my konqueror, automatic encoding
[01:50] <goldenear> toma: in what language ?
[01:51] <toma> french, the urll you pasted
[01:53] <goldenear> what do you have in the html header ?
[01:54] <toma> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15">
[01:55] <goldenear> how are the locals set on your system ?
[01:55] <toma> i'm not completly up-to-date with dapper, dont know if that matters
[01:55] <goldenear> may be
[01:55] <toma> LANG=nl_NL
[01:56] <goldenear> A french guy on #kubuntu-fr also had the accents problem in man:pages
[01:56] <Riddell> that man page looks very bad here
[01:57] <goldenear> what is your default encoding, UTF-8 or ISO8859-1 ?
[01:57] <Riddell> utf8
[01:57] <Riddell> en_GB
[01:58] <toma> so we could say that header is generated based on the system locale, not based on the content?
[01:59] <goldenear> I think yes
[02:00] <goldenear> my locale is LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8
[02:02] <toma> where is the script located?
[02:03] <Riddell> kdebase/kioslave/man/man2html.cpp
[02:04] <toma> lets have a look
[02:06] <toma> there is a SIMPLE_MAN2HTML switch to switch from user locale to a fixed one (8859-1)
[02:08] <toma> that switch is used more 
[02:11] <toma> I would remove the user defined lines, if all manpages are 8859
[02:12] <toma> diff at http://rafb.net/paste/results/KAwTEG43.html
[02:19] <Riddell> not all man pages will be 8859
[02:30] <toma> we could patch it via QTextCodec to change that, not sure if thats worth the efford though....
[02:33] <Riddell> kmplayer author on x-mplayer2 mimetype: It's a microsoft mimetype for WMP version n+1.
[02:42] <goldenear> Riddell: ok thanks for the information
[02:43] <goldenear> toma: I think arabic or asiatic man pages use utf-8
[02:45] <toma> right
[02:46] <Riddell> I'd expect it depends on the mood of upstream
[02:47] <toma> Nicolas GOUTTE's time is limited afaik.
[02:47] <toma> i could mail him though
[02:47] <Riddell> who?
[02:48] <toma> i've had some conversations with him before.
[02:48] <toma> nicolas Goutte is upstream according to the file
[02:49] <goldenear> Riddell: application/x-mplayer2 is indeed a microsoft stuff, nothing to do with mplayer... sorry for the confusion.
[02:49] <Riddell> crazy
[02:54] <goldenear> Riddell: an interesting page about mime type : http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/winmime.html
[02:55] <toma> night.
[02:55] <goldenear> goodnight, toma
[04:44] <Hobbsee> claydoh: where are you?
[04:44] <claydoh> Maine, Northeastern US
[04:45] <claydoh> just put in the unit, just checking to see if irt is functional
[04:45] <claydoh> if it is functional
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <claydoh> its a balmy 18.3 C
[04:48] <claydoh> 64.9 F for us us folks
[04:49] <Hobbsee> guess it's slightly warmer there than here...
[05:01] <bddebian> Hello jsgotangco
[05:01] <jsgotangco> good morning
[05:03] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco 
[07:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[08:23] <nixternal> Hobbsee: what is this example-content that i keep seeing in update?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not a clue.
[08:25] <nixternal> i have seen it now for a couple of updates...wasn't until this week that i have noticed it
[08:29] <crimsun> read the description :-)
[09:09] <klugez> kubuntu.org's koffice 1.5.1 packages are not working for me
[09:09] <klugez> kword: error while loading shared libraries: libkio.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:09] <nixternal> hmmm..i haven't tried them yet...let me dl and see what i get
[09:10] <klugez> kspread and kpresenter give the same error
[09:10] <nixternal> and that is from the link onthe front page right?
[09:10] <klugez> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-151 dapper main
[09:11] <Hobbsee> please dont tell me p.u.c is down too, like launchpad...
[09:11] <Hobbsee> hmm...the file doesnt seem to exist in any of the packages...
[09:12] <klugez> kdelibs4c2a: /usr/lib/libkio.so.4
[09:12] <uniq> it's not.
[09:12] <uniq> p.u.c works for me.
[09:12] <klugez> i wonder if that's what they're trying to find
[09:12] <Hobbsee> klugez: may well be...
[09:13] <crimsun> .4, eh? sounds like autotools screwage.
[09:31] <nixternal> jeesh...header dl is slow tonight
[09:42] <nixternal> klugez: you got that error when you just started up kword and what not??? or were you doing some sort of work?
[09:43] <nixternal> i installed it...and ran them with no problem...i want to see if i can reproduce the error
[09:47] <klugez> nixternal: i get the error trying to start them
[09:48] <klugez> so it seems it's a local problem
[09:48] <nixternal> ahh
[09:48] <klugez> koffice 1.5 worked, though, so i've no idea what i've done
[09:48] <nixternal> ya..it runs actually pretty decent though
[09:49] <nixternal> i have been wanting to dedicate more time to it and shy away from openoffice a little more
[09:49] <nixternal> you gave me the opportunity to do so now
[09:54] <nixternal`zzz> nite everyone
[12:27] <Riddell> Hobbsee: pong
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i found a patch for the kopete configure crash - but cant test it works, as i dont get the bug on my system.  what should happen about it?
[12:28] <Riddell> attach it to the bug report?  what's the number?
[12:29] <Hobbsee> it's attached....let me look up teh bug number :P
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bug 37657
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37657 in kdenetwork "Kopete Configure Crash" [Unknown,Unknown]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37657
[12:34] <Hobbsee> excellent...full marks in the first half of the computing checkpoint..
[12:35] <verwilst> hellow
[12:35] <verwilst> can a firefox-using dude please try this url?
[12:35] <verwilst> http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/mediatheek/video-060527ganzen/index.shtml?play
[12:35] <Riddell> this isn't a firefox using channel
[12:36] <verwilst> hehe
[12:36] <verwilst> well, i don't use konqueror for surfing
[12:36] <verwilst> since it's a bit too flaky media-wise
[12:36] <verwilst> yeah, me neither
[12:37] <verwilst> i don't know what to install for it to work :$
[12:37] <Hobbsee> media player, probably
[12:37] <verwilst> nah
[12:37] <verwilst> kaffeine plays it just fine
[12:37] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's directing you to the MS site to download the plugin manually...
[12:37] <verwilst> maybe some mozplugger thingy or something
[12:38] <seaLne> in the html it has js tests about quicktime and wmp
[12:39] <verwilst> it plays fine in konqueror though
[12:39] <verwilst> for once
[12:39] <Riddell> let this be a lesson to you
[12:39] <toma> Riddell: i think Carsten mail on i18n-doc is spot on. How can we improve rosette-kde intergration?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> come to think of it, where should the bugs of "this is not translated/translated properly"/etc go?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> to the respective lang packs, or something?
[12:41] <Riddell> toma: I think carsten has missed the point about the advantage of a web frontend :)
[12:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: to the respective translation team
[12:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotcha
[12:41] <toma> Riddell: no, he mentions it in point 3
[12:42] <toma> it gives the possibility to translators to use rosette, but integrates it with the current workflow.
[12:42] <verwilst> hm, installing totem-xine-firefox-plugin makes it work
[12:43] <Riddell> rosetta users don't want to have to learn about sending diffs
[12:43] <toma> no, that should be automated of course
[12:44] <toma> so the rosetta user does some translating and the system sends out a diff to the maintainer of that translation
[12:45] <verwilst> mozilla-mplayer, jaj ;)
[12:46] <Riddell> toma: sounds exactly like how rosetta does work, except the the translator master approved it within rosetta and can then export the translations as .po
[12:48] <toma> Riddell: the material in rosetta is based on a fork of kde translation. Carstens proposal is to base it on the actual work in kde-svn. And the control is based on the upstream maintainer.
[12:52] <toma> Riddell: the way rosetta works now is a bit insulting to the upstream translators: they work hard and are proud at their work, but when an important distribution releases, they say their hard work altered.
[12:55] <toma> should we discuss this at a kubuntu meeting or maybe this should be discussed in paris?
[12:55] <Riddell> importing directly from SVN is a plan the rosetta people have
[12:56] <toma> ok, that would be cool, the best of both
[12:56] <Riddell> if ubuntu translation teams are altering their upstream translations that's daft and I think they'll learn not to
[12:56] <Hobbsee> toma: not all kubuntu people are doing translations, although a lot are.  
[12:56] <Riddell> it's hard to discuss in either a meeting or in paris as the rosetta developers won't be there
[12:58] <toma> ok, then i've no idea how to solve this
[12:59] <toma> f1 time
[02:11] <Hobbsee> grr.  it seems that computers do actually run out of battery power eventually.
[02:12] <Riddell> eventually?  my thinkpad runs out in about half an hour
[02:12] <Hobbsee> mine runs out in just over an hour - probably about an hour and a half or somethign :(
[02:14] <Hobbsee> i was goign ot turn it on when it started to flash, got called for dishes, so went and did them, and walked into the computer flashing, and it just deciding to shut itself down.  grr.
[02:40] <jeroenvrp> hi folks
[02:40] <jeroenvrp> it seems we still have a problem
[02:40] <jeroenvrp> I'm talking about guidance's userconfig
[02:41] <jeroenvrp> it doesnt create a new homedir after I create a new user
[02:41] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: hi
[02:41] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: should we try reproducing this at my end on a clean install?
[02:41] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: be my guest
[02:42] <jeroenvrp> I've upgraded from breezy 
[02:42] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: booting up my test machine now.
[02:42] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: have you tried running it from a shell ("sudo userconfig") and seeing if any error messages are printed?
[02:42] <jeroenvrp> but a update from breezy should also work
[02:42] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: 
[02:42] <jeroenvrp> good idea
[02:43] <jeroenvrp> lets try that
[02:47] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: works for me
[02:48] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: _Sime: it doesnt work
[02:49] <jeroenvrp> I get no output on the command line
[02:49] <jeroenvrp> should I remove something
[02:49] <jeroenvrp> or reinstall
[02:56] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: describe exactly what you are seeing.
[02:57] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: I open kcontrol or I do a kdesu or sudo userconfig
[02:57] <jeroenvrp> I click on new
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> I add the info, password and click ok
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> the new user is not there
[02:58] <_Sime> what is the info?
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> when I enable and disable 'show system users' it shows up
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> but no homedir, allthough th user is created
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: no info
[02:58] <jeroenvrp> I'm reinstalling now
[02:59] <_Sime> what is the user name?
[02:59] <jeroenvrp> the user name = remote
[02:59] <jeroenvrp> the shee = rbash
[03:00] <jeroenvrp> shell I mean
[03:00] <jeroenvrp> homedir = /home/remote
[03:00] <jeroenvrp> doesnt exist
[03:00] <jeroenvrp> user remotge also not
[03:00] <jeroenvrp> I also tried it with username new_user
[03:03] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: and there are no error messages?
[03:03] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: also after reinstalling (made sure no guidance files were left) still no results - no error messages
[03:03] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: which language are you using?
[03:03] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: Dutch
[03:04] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: let met try gdb
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> wait
[03:05] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: whats this: kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[03:05] <_Sime> I've seen that many of times; don't know what it is on about.
[03:06] <_Sime> seems harmless.
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> no than I dont knoqw
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> than I will make the directory manualy
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> have to go
[03:07] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: ik kan het straks testen in het nederlands.
[03:07] <jeroenvrp> ok :-)
[03:08] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: I might have to fix my network settings first.
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: ik heb wel wat
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> some output
[03:08] <jeroenvrp> tracebback
[03:08] <jeroenvrp>   File "/usr/bin/userconfig", line 358, in slotNewClicked
[03:08] <jeroenvrp>     newuid = self.usereditdialog.showNewUser()
[03:09] <jeroenvrp>   File "/usr/bin/userconfig", line 886, in showNewUser
[03:09] <jeroenvrp>     self.admincontext.save()
[03:09] <jeroenvrp>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unixauthdb.py", line 862, in save
[03:09] <jeroenvrp>     os.write(fd,u._getShadowEntry().encode(locale.getpreferredencoding()))
[03:09] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: any more????
[03:09] <jeroenvrp>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/unixauthdb.py", line 1046, in _getShadowEntry
[03:09] <jeroenvrp>     return u":".join( [self._username,
[03:09] <jeroenvrp> UnboundLocalError: local variable 'passexpirewarn' referenced before assignment
[03:09] <_Sime> ok, I'll check the source here.
[03:09] <jeroenvrp> invalid length 24902
[03:09] <jeroenvrp> Failed to process 45 bytes from server
[03:10] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: I really must go
[03:10] <_Sime> cool, that info is useful.
[03:10] <_Sime> thanks
[03:12] <_Sime> found it.
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: adduser works
[03:14] <jeroenvrp> oh you have found it?
[03:15] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: do you have a little bit of time right now?
[03:15] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: unfortunalu no
[03:15] <jeroenvrp> I have to go tom my mums birtday
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> I will be here at the of the evening
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> dutch time
[03:16] <jeroenvrp> the end of the evening
[03:16] <_Sime> that's ok.
[03:16] <_Sime> I'm pretty sure I've got that bug now.
[03:16] <_Sime> (unless there is another one too!)
[03:17] <_Sime> Riddell: ping
[03:17] <Riddell> _Sime: yo
[03:18] <_Sime> I just commited a fix for jeroen's problem.
[03:18] <_Sime> one liner.
[03:18] <_Sime> do you want that in 6.06?
[03:19] <Riddell> _Sime: got the patch?
[03:19] <Riddell> oh, it's not another unicode issue is it?  python is so evil for those
[03:20] <_Sime> no, it is something dumber. ;-)
[03:20] <_Sime> Riddell: do you get the commit mails from playground?
[03:21] <Riddell> I filter commits for kubuntu and some other interesting words
[03:22] <_Sime> jriddel@ubuntu?
[03:22] <_Sime> jriddell@ubuntu?
[03:22] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com
[03:22] <_Sime> done
[03:23] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: would you be able to report this bug to launchpad?  it would make it easier to get the upload approved
[03:24] <Riddell> guess not :)
[03:24] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: would you be able to report this bug to launchpad?  it would make it easier to get the upload approved
[03:25] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: ok, lets try a quick one than
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/47090
[03:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47090 in kde-guidance "No homedirectory created when creating a new user with userconfig" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> Now I have to go :-)
[03:31] <Riddell> thanks jeroenvrp 
[03:31] <_Sime> jeroenvrp: thanks, i'll add that to my change log.
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> cheers and thanks Riddell and especially _Sime 
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> see you layer
[03:31] <jeroenvrp> t
[03:31] <_Sime> no,    thank you!
[04:12] <goldenear> hi there
[04:13] <goldenear> I'm experimenting a new problem with konq and embedded video
[04:14] <goldenear> the problem is now about smil
[04:17] <goldenear> I've trying to change the mime types in konq, but nothing changes! I don't know why but kaffeine is always called to open smil mimetype...
[04:18] <goldenear> Is there a "harlinked" dependence between konqueror and kaffeine about the application/smil mime type ?
[04:18] <goldenear> the url is http://www.rtvslo.si/modload.php?&c_mod=rnews - red tab on top "avdio/video" - opens new window - then i get warning "smil support rudimentary, kaffeine part will play... yes/no" in both cases crash
[04:19] <goldenear> This is a serious bug because it makes konqueror crash every time!
[04:20] <Hobbsee> goldenear: is it in malone?
[04:22] <OculusAquilae> confirmed
[04:29] <goldenear> Hobbsee: yes it is
[04:29] <Hobbsee> goldenear: cool, just checking
[04:41] <goldenear> Hobbsee: I wonder what is the mime type used in the web page on the slovenian web site
[04:42] <goldenear> I tryed to check from the html source, but there are javascipt scripts everywhere ... so no way to check it easily :(
[04:43] <goldenear> Hobbsee: what time is it for you ?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> almsot 1am monday
[04:46] <goldenear> aha
[04:46] <goldenear> where are you from ?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> australia
[04:47] <goldenear> ok
[04:47] <goldenear> so have a good night :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> will do
[06:12] <marseillai> Riddell: we've got on #kubuntu-fr someone who is trying to upgrade! he has kde 3.5.2 and dist-upgrade remove kubuntu-desktop and many kde-apps
[06:13] <Riddell> marseillai: I need to do some test to see why that happens
[06:13] <Riddell> he can easily install them again after the dist-upgrade
[06:13] <marseillai> yes
[08:27] <poimen> hey devs take a look at this app It will be nice fro kubuntu ( in my opinion)
[08:27] <poimen> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=38347
[08:28] <Riddell> very much a multiverse package I think :)
[08:28] <Riddell> but sure, go ahead and package it
[08:29] <Riddell> doc.ubuntu.com should have the packaging guide
[08:33] <poimen> thankx
[08:33] <poimen> :)
[08:34] <poimen> Riddell you think kubuntu 6.06 will be nice on time for june 1?
[09:58] <Flosoft> hey
[10:00] <Flosoft> when will the release of Dapper be?
[10:00] <crimsun> 1 june.
[10:00] <Flosoft> ok ... will I be able to get it 24hrs before to put it onto the mirrors?
[10:01] <crimsun> no idea, probably not
[10:04] <Flosoft> damn
[10:04] <Flosoft> wednesday evening?
[10:14] <Flosoft> btw ... good news ... I will add 5 new mirrors this week ;)
[10:20] <goldenear> the iso will also be available with bittorent, won't it ?
[10:25] <Lure> goldenear: yes
[10:30] <verwilst> 3 days and counting! :d
[11:23] <\sh> infinity: good that you are still awake :) gnade, can you magically tell your ubuntu build system to build sourcepackage "gnade" just for i386? 
[11:24] <\sh> argl
[11:24] <\sh> wrong channel
[11:24] <uniq> :)