[12:09] <glick> hey is there anyway to revert to a package before yu upgrade?
[12:09] <glick> before you upgradeD?
[12:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry second day here.. Very much a noob
[12:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Stil trying to DL the install CD
[12:13] <Macxdmg> can anyone help me get into my kubuntu ... it gets past what seems like boot ... i can hardware interupt / interface interupt for shutdown / restart, but I don't get X or KDE proper like.
[12:26] <r0xz> ahmeni: how? final isn't released yet right?
[12:27] <HymnToLife> nope
[12:27] <HymnToLife> June 1st
[12:28] <ahmeni> oh, guess I misinterpreted "10 CDs requested in 2006-05-18. 10 CDs approved and sent to the shipping company in 2006-05-24"
[12:28] <ahmeni> I u
[12:28] <ahmeni> err, I humbly retract my dance
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Anyone here help with the XP theme for Kubuntu ?
[12:29] <macd> Jack_Sparrow: having troubles downloading or burning?
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> THe dl failed of the live cd
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> but I started it agin.
[12:29] <macd> was there enough free space on the destination drive?
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I got the live on the second try as well
[12:29] <macd> nvm.
[12:30] <Jack_Sparrow> I have 20 gigs free on that partition
[12:30] <Jack_Sparrow> \but it had an RPM extension and that scared me off
[12:31] <macd> wierd, It might have been b/c it was a partial download, just wait for it to finish, it should be .iso
[12:31] <Jack_Sparrow> I found a bz2 is that any better
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> No, dl of install version isnt the problem, wanted to play with theme while waiting
[12:32] <macd> for the theme?
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Do you run it on a Mac..  I have a G4 here
[12:32] <macd> I actualy have a dual g5 :)
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Install version of Kubuntu
[12:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I have a dual G4 that was donated to me..
[12:33] <macd> I have Kubuntu 6.06
[12:33] <macd> but I stated with hoary way back hen, and have just been upgrading as I go
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Wow, I took some Benadryl for a spider bite and it is kicking my tailwind
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Geting groggy
[12:35] <macd> that stuff knocks me out, best not try todo anything to your system now :P
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> NOt the time to play with a new os
[12:35] <ahmeni> I thought pirates liked grog?
[12:36] <macd> haha
[12:36] <macd> I said grog wench not cactus juice.
[12:36] <Jack_Sparrow> I like grog, just not when I am trying to work..
[12:36] <macd> this is prolly #kubuntu-offtopic :P
[12:37] <Jack_Sparrow> My wife wears a medic alert braclet.. It reads... No Tequilla Shooters
[12:38] <macd> haha
[12:39] <stodge> Hi - is there a particular sources.list file I should download?
[12:40] <Riddell> !sources
[12:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:48] <sampan> for some reason, after updating, my k3b is getting user permission errors on my burner ... i ran the k3bsetup again, but ... no joy ... how do i go about letting it burn a cd?
[12:49] <klerfayt> sampan: I have same problems
[12:49] <klerfayt> sampan: but I could burn with root permissions
[12:49] <klerfayt> sampan: alt+f2 > kdesu k3b
[12:49] <sampan> lol
[12:50] <sampan> i suppose that works, but seems weird to have to kdesu -- it's like the "burning" group (didn't there used to be one?) is gone??
[12:50] <klerfayt> sampan: i think yo ushould create a bug report
[12:51] <sampan> :/
[12:51] <klerfayt> sampan: cause I got same problems than you
[12:51] <klerfayt> sampan: if you run k3bsetup you will get error that there is no group "burning"
[12:52] <sampan> yeah
[12:52] <sampan> and in system settings, i don't see it either -- only a "cdrom" group
[12:52] <klerfayt> has anyone else tried to burn cd/dvd with k3b in kubuntu 6.06?
[12:53] <nixternal`out> !nixternal
[12:53] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nixternal`out
[12:53] <nixternal`out> haha
[12:54] <zblach> hi. why would k3b tell me that DVD+R and -R are not writable, but i've got two fully detected dvd* burners?
[12:54] <klerfayt> zblach: try to run "k3bsetup"
[12:54] <sampan> so strange, because it used to burn just fine
[12:54] <zblach> k3bsetup has been run, and all settings look normal. lemme check again
[12:55] <klerfayt> zblach: can you burn cd's if you run   kdesu k3b  ?
[12:56] <zblach> klerfayt: haven't tried cds
[12:56] <r0xz> is there a special package i need to install to get audiocd:/ rip and tag a mp3 as "original"?
[12:56] <klerfayt> zblach: then try dvd's with   kdesu k3b
[12:57] <zblach> klerfayt: nope.
[12:57] <zblach> found: DVD+R (empty)
[12:58] <zblach> please insert ... CD-R(W) medium
[12:58] <klerfayt> zblach: maybe you klicked on the wron icon?
[12:59] <zblach> wron icon?
[12:59] <zblach> ctrl+b is burn, yes?
[12:59] <zblach> "starting sao at 94x speed"? seems a little fast for my drives
[12:59] <zblach> hang on
[01:00] <crazy_penguin> good night everybody. pleasent dreams
[01:03] <sampan> even changing the perms on /media/cdrom1 doesn't help
[01:03] <sampan> i can burn with kdesu, but ... that's just dumb, i shouldn't have to use su to burn a cdr
[01:04] <klerfayt> sampan: same here; have you tried to create the group "burining" in system settings?
[01:05] <sampan> klerfayt  nope ... but i tried changing the group setting in k3b to "cdrom" and that failed too
[01:07] <sampan> klerfayt  if i create that group, how do i set it so that it has perms (and that K3B has perms) to open my cdrom devs?  (i've never created or modified groups before -- linux newb!)
[01:08] <klerfayt> sampan: I have no idea
[01:08] <Bizzeh> you know what i dont get
[01:08] <Bizzeh> why the pope they elect, is always OLD
[01:08] <Bizzeh> get a young one, he will last longer
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Wrong they have one old one young that is the pattern it always is
[01:09] <r0xz> that's what she said
[01:09] <Bizzeh> h3sp4wn: so, john paul was the last young one?
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> John Paul 2
[01:11] <Bizzeh> hmmn, kdevelop needs ALOT of work
[01:12] <klerfayt> sampan: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/28155
[01:12] <flo> with dapper when i'm tring to run adept y get this:
[01:12] <flo> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[01:12] <glick> hey so has anyone else been having problems with external harddrives and dapper?
[01:12] <klerfayt> flo: I know that problem
[01:13] <glick> with the live cd my drive mounted fine
[01:13] <flo> apt-get install works fine
[01:13] <glick> and when i had it installed it mounted fine too
[01:13] <nads> hey... how do i add "./" to the path?
[01:13] <glick> untill i upgraded that is
[01:13] <glick> till i did an upgrade
[01:13] <nads> (automatically that is)
[01:13] <klerfayt> flo: open konsole and do   sudo apt-get update  and then   sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> nads: its a bad idea
[01:14] <nads> h3sp4wn: how so?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> nads: the whole reason that there is a path system is so you can't just run apitary commends from anywhere
[01:15] <flo> klerfayt:that does a general upgrade of the sistem?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> just symlink them to /usr/local/bin
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> or ~/bin (which will be become part of the patch if there on reboot
[01:15] <Bizzeh> whats a good tool for mounting ISO's in kubuntu?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> mount
[01:15] <klerfayt> flo: yeah it is like kdesu adept_update that doesn't work for you yet
[01:15] <nads> h3sp4wn: i just want a path to the current directory... so when i'm in /home/whatever/mydir i could run programs without using ./myprogram
[01:16] <flo> tks
[01:16] <klerfayt> flo: that's how I got adept working
[01:16] <stodge> How do I install the nvidia drivers for dapper?
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: sudo mount -o loop xubuntu-6.06-rc-desktop-i386.iso /mnt/combined/
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: something like that would work
[01:17] <stodge> I can't see them through adept and using apt-get won't work due to unmet dependencies
[01:17] <PyroMithrandir> !nvidia
[01:17] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:17] <Bizzeh> ty
[01:17] <stodge> That doesn't work - I can't find nvidia in adept
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: It you want to modify isos the best way is with unionfs
[01:18] <Bizzeh> h3sp4wn: i just wanna mount to use
[01:18] <Bizzeh> ie. installing UT2K4
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> lol
[01:18] <PyroMithrandir> stodge, do you have all the repos?
[01:18] <stodge> nvidia-glx: Conflicts: nvidia-settings but 1.0-3ubuntu7 is to be installed
[01:19] <stodge> I'm not sure
[01:19] <glick> how often does the auto updator check for updates?
[01:19] <sampan> klerfayt  thanks for that bug link -- i'll keep a watch on that page :)
[01:19] <stodge> Is there a list somewhere?
[01:19] <PyroMithrandir> stodge, it says on that page "(in Dapper nvidia-settings is already part of nvidia-glx)"
[01:19] <stodge> oh
[01:19] <stodge> oops
[01:20] <klerfayt> sampan: there are more http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742005
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: does ut2k4 have a linux version on cd ?
[01:23] <Bizzeh> h3sp4wn: on the cd version i have, last cd has install.sh
[01:23] <Bizzeh> dvd, i havnt checked yet
[01:24] <Bizzeh> anyway
[01:24] <Bizzeh> bbl
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> Is kubuntu considered more woman friendly ?
[01:26] <suddo> whi?
[01:26] <suddo> why?*
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> never known any women to be in channels other than this
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> (that have made there gender obvious) may be just coincidence
[01:27] <suddo> im a man.
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> so am I
[01:30] <flo> how can i make the screen resolution to run at 1024x768@85 hz? now i have 60 in my system settings pannel and i cannot go any hyre from there, does the instalation of ati's proprietari driver solves that?
[01:32] <suddo> maybe, if you have an ati (i dont)
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> flo: what card
[01:32] <klerfayt> flo: no it doessn't depend on that
[01:33] <flo> how do i edit my xorgconf?
[01:33] <flo> i'm not an experienced usser
[01:33] <klerfayt> flo: have you done it before?
[01:34] <klerfayt> I'm not sure but you could try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:34] <sampan> sheesh, now k3b is telling me it can't even FIND the cd writing tools
[01:34] <flo> neither my english is good
[01:35] <klerfayt> flo: by the way did fixed adept cache problem
[01:35] <flo> klerfayt: yes but y could use some help
[01:35] <flo> y have 53 min left to the end of the upgrade
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> flo: are you using an LCD?
[01:36] <flo> no...crt 17 inches
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> just checking
[01:37] <flo> is just killing my eyes
[01:38] <klerfayt> flo: wait for apt-get upgrade to finish at first
[01:40] <flo> klerfayt: k....then? tks aniway for the help given
[01:40] <klerfayt> flo: I'm not sure but I would reboot
[01:41] <^GoKu-^> saludos amigos!
[01:42] <suddo> hola
[01:42] <r0xz> flo: find out the highest resolution of your monitor and note the highest refresh rate it can deliver. Use that in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with medium wizard at the end
[01:42] <^GoKu-^> disculpen, tengo un ligero problema que no se como solucionar
[01:42] <r0xz> that's the way i always configure a crt here
[01:42] <suddo> no deberias escribir en ingles?? :) ...
[01:42] <suddo> ...cual es?
[01:42] <klerfayt> r0xz: dpkg-reconfigure can automatically detect monitor
[01:43] <^GoKu-^> tengo instalado windows y kubuntu con el gestor grub para iniciar ... y todo marchaba bn
[01:43] <r0xz> klerfayt: well, my monitors are not detected here
[01:43] <flo> r0xz: the highest refresh is 87 hz
[01:44] <^GoKu-^> pero en linux comenze a montar la particion de windows para jalar y meter archivos ambas particiones y despus reinicie y ya no me permitia entrar a windows
[01:44] <^GoKu-^> alguna sugerencia?
[01:45] <flo> r0xz: what is medium wizard?
[01:45] <^GoKu-^> mas bien ya no me permite jajajaja :S
[01:45] <r0xz> flo: at the highest resolution? you have to input the highest resolution with the max Hz
[01:46] <suddo> al hacer cambios no causa problemas con windows
[01:46] <r0xz> flo: that's the part where you set the controll you'll have on the setup of resolution and refresh rate (it's at the end)
[01:46] <klerfayt> r0xz: is it safe to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then doing sudo apt-get upgrade?
[01:46] <^GoKu-^> pos ya no me deja entrar desde el menu de grub, pero por ejemplo entro a linux y monto y lo monta y to, el problema nomas es que no arranca
[01:47] <r0xz> klerfayt: yes, xorg will only load the new settings when reloading x
[01:47] <flo> k...i'l doit in the morning thought, i have other 45 min of upgrade, tks all, good night
[01:47] <suddo> y ya probaste deshaciendo los cambios??
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> cuales cambios?
[01:48] <r0xz> good luck flo
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> mira, la vd no entiendo muxo eso de (hd0,0) (aunque se que asi arranca la primera particion)
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> y al montarlo lo monto /dev/hdc1
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> lo que si me fije en la consola es que tenia otro color hdc1 xD
[01:49] <^GoKu-^> y ya despues me lo ponia como amarillento =P
[01:49] <suddo> hdc1 es tu cdrom
[01:49] <suddo> no no...
[01:50] <suddo> tenias windows en la primera particion (primaria)?
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> Si
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> esta en la primera windows
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> y en la segunda ubuntu
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> y tengo un cd-rom
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> y la lectora floppy
[01:51] <suddo> ubuntu no monta particiones ajenas por default...
[01:51] <suddo> asi que...
[01:52] <suddo> ....
[01:52] <kkathman> does anyone in here use azureus in Dapper?
[01:52] <suddo> no deberia ser /dev/hda1 tu particion de windows??
[01:53] <r0xz> kkathman: nope i couldn'tt get it running...
[01:53] <r0xz> kkathman: i just use ktorrent svn :0
[01:53] <r0xz> * :)
[01:53] <suddo> kkathman i use azureus in breezy
[01:53] <^GoKu-^> suddo pos si, pero me la carga con dev/hdc1
[01:54] <^GoKu-^> te digo el problema no esta en montarlo al montarlo me lo monta bn y to y puedo ver los archivos
[01:54] <^GoKu-^> pero pos ya no puedo iniciar windows desde el menu list
[01:54] <^GoKu-^> jajaja :P
[01:55] <kkathman> suddo: I cant get it to work in Dapper
[01:55] <suddo> ^GoKu-^ instalaste windows y despues ubuntu verdad??
[01:56] <apokryphos> kkathman: http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/downloads/2.0beta1/ktorrent_2.0beta1-1_i386.deb
[01:56] <^GoKu-^> si
[01:56] <kkathman> apokryphos: ahhh a 2.0 deb!! excellent!
[01:56] <suddo> kkathman i'vent try on dapper, but, did you install java and blah blah blah??
[01:57] <kkathman> yes
[01:57] <suddo> ^GoKu-^ acabado de instalar ubuntu podias entrar a windows??
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> si
[01:57] <glick> anyone experience firewire harddrive mounting problems in dapper?
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> todo muy bien
[01:57] <suddo> kkathman is there a error message?
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> llevaba como unos quince dias asi
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> pero hoy justamente ocupaba jalar unos archivos de win y pos monte
[01:58] <r0xz> apokryphos: isn't that one for breezy?
[01:58] <^GoKu-^> y al intentar desmontarla me decia que estaba en uso
[01:58] <^GoKu-^> asi que reinicie asi,
[01:58] <^GoKu-^> y ya al entrar nanaiz paloma xD
[01:58] <kkathman> apokryphos:  its a nogo :(
[01:58] <kkathman> dpkg: error processing ktorrent_2.0beta1-1_i386.deb (--install):
[01:58] <kkathman>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[01:58] <suddo> ^GoKu-^ enconces :) ...
[01:58] <r0xz> kkathman: because?
[01:58] <kkathman> out of sync looks like
[01:58] <r0xz> ah i see
[01:59] <apokryphos> hm
[01:59] <r0xz> easy fix
[01:59] <kkathman> easy?
[01:59] <suddo> proba usando scandisk o algo porque seguro de danio.
[01:59] <apokryphos> suddo: English only in here
[01:59] <kkathman> r0xz:  ideas for the fix?
[01:59] <r0xz> kkathman: dpkg --force-overwrite
[01:59] <^GoKu-^> upz :S
[01:59] <kkathman> remembering Im on Dapper tho
[01:59] <apokryphos> kkathman: not a great idea
[01:59] <kkathman> ugh man I hate --force-overwrite :)
[01:59] <apokryphos> kkathman: just sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent, and then compile
[02:00] <apokryphos> should go smoothly
[02:00] <suddo> ^GoKu-^: let's go to #ubuntu-es im there
[02:01] <^GoKu-^> suddo ok,
[02:01] <stodge> I'm running dapper now, but when I choose "add/remove programs" from the menu nothing happens
[02:01] <kkathman> apokryphos:  I think I probably dont have the compile tools right now tho
[02:01] <^GoKu-^> quest*
[02:01] <^GoKu-^> because only english?
[02:01] <apokryphos> kkathman: build-dep should do it.
[02:02] <kkathman> apokryphos:  but the current version isnt 2 in the repos
[02:02] <kkathman> so I think that will work only with 1.5
[02:02] <stodge> I get the bouncing cursor but the program never appears
[02:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: I think you'll still be fine
[02:03] <apokryphos> I doubt 2.0 brought many more build dependencies in, if any
[02:04] <trym|home> how sick is tihs
[02:04] <trym|home> Im on irc while installing linux
[02:04] <stodge> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:06] <r0xz> trym|home: that's not sick, that's modern and friendly ;)
[02:07] <trym|home> r0xz: of course.. but sick in a good way
[02:07] <r0xz> hehe
[02:08] <kkathman> apokryphos:  the build-dev finished
[02:09] <kkathman> apokryphos:  do I need to do anything else at this point?  this is new to me :)
[02:09] <glick> heh yeah i dont think dapper will be ready for production systems by its release date
[02:10] <glick> i had this same problem with breezy when breezy first came out
[02:13] <apokryphos> kkathman: nope, just compile
[02:13] <apokryphos> !build-dep
[02:13] <ubotu> APT's build-dep tool will automatically resolve build dependencies for you. Simply sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[02:14] <kkathman> apokryphos:  so I do a ./configure ,make and makeinstall?
[02:14] <kkathman> and if so...WHERE?
[02:15] <apokryphos> kkathman: ./configure --prefix=/usr, make, checkinstall
[02:15] <apokryphos> kkathman: compiling from source. So download the source from the site.
[02:16] <kkathman> ahh
[02:16] <Infecto> [4325423.651000]  usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 4
[02:17] <Infecto> thats 4325423.651000 is unix time or else
[02:17] <apokryphos> brb
[02:17] <glick> heh i think i should continue to run breezy for a couple of months
[02:17] <Infecto> why :) ltd works fine :)
[02:17] <glick> Infecto: i dont know cause my firewire drive no longer mounts when i plug it in
[02:18] <glick> worked in the liveCD
[02:18] <glick> worked when i first installed
[02:18] <glick> then i did an upgrade and it stopped working
[02:18] <glick> now i get kernel error messages
[02:18] <Infecto> show them
[02:18] <glick> i filed a bug report but i think i filed it under the wrong thing
[02:19] <glick> other then that i love dapper
[02:19] <glick> it looks and performs nicely
[02:19] <glick> but i need my data on that drive
[02:19] <Infecto> what kernel
[02:20] <Infecto> uname -r
[02:20] <glick> Infecto: i didnt upgrade the kernel
[02:20] <glick> Linux voyager1 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:20] <glick> it doesnt work in the 386 one either
[02:21] <Infecto> you did
[02:21] <Infecto> upgrade kernel
[02:21] <Infecto> 2.6.15-23-386 is the younger in repository
[02:22] <glick> Infecto: huh?
[02:22] <Infecto> put your device
[02:22] <Infecto> and showm me dmesg line
[02:22] <Infecto> dmesg message about this fire wire
[02:23] <glick> Infecto: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qJc47Z82.html
[02:25] <kkathman> apokryphos:  well all kinds of compile errors :)
[02:25] <kkathman> Im suspecting there are imcompatibilities
[02:25] <kkathman> Dapper IS still pretty beta
[02:25] <kkathman> hehe
[02:26] <glick> how beta can it still be its due out in 3 days
[02:27] <Infecto> glick:  dpkg -l |grep linux-image
[02:28] <glick> Infecto: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CI88I622.html
[02:28] <kkathman> glick:  hehe you'd be surprised :)
[02:29] <Infecto> glick: hmm
[02:29] <kkathman> jrjr
[02:29] <Infecto> you dont heaw older kernel
[02:29] <Infecto> so
[02:29] <Infecto> i think thats bigest problem
[02:29] <glick> Infecto: can i get the older one?
[02:29] <Infecto> you must take look on mirrors
[02:30] <Infecto> 2.6.15-22-386
[02:30] <Infecto> that what you should look
[02:30] <Infecto> but you can try to witch in 686 arch kernel
[02:30] <glick> Infecto: so just get that deb package?
[02:30] <Infecto> glick: your boot manager is grub yes ?
[02:30] <glick> Infecto: yes
[02:30] <Infecto> glick: jest get deb package
[02:31] <Infecto> try on 686
[02:31] <Infecto> maybe that error wil be loss
[02:31] <glick> umm the mirros listed on ubuntu.com?
[02:31] <Infecto> maybe try
[02:31] <Infecto> i always keep my older kernels
[02:32] <Infecto> right now im back to -22
[02:32] <Infecto> :)
[02:33] <glick> Infecto: in the breezy repos or the dapper repos?
[02:33] <Infecto> dapper
[02:33] <juanfe> hallo
[02:33] <Infecto> juanfe: hallo
[02:35] <apokryphos> kkathman: what compile errors?
[02:39] <glick> yeah i have no idea where i would find that deb fle
[02:39] <glick> file
[02:42] <zblach> now why would k3b suddenly refuse to burn dvds?
[02:43] <nnn0> because you try to burn a windows cd ? oh no kde is not made by m$ sry :D
[02:43] <zblach> nnn0: ???
[02:43] <r0xz> am i the only one where the option flags in mp3 ripping aren't working?
[02:44] <nnn0> yes
[02:44] <nnn0> next!
[02:44] <nnn0> :D
[02:44] <nnn0> sry
[02:44] <zblach> r0xz: (ignore him)
[02:44] <zblach> uh...
[02:44] <evader> is there any benchmarks around, that compare KDE to Gnome?
[02:44] <nnn0> i do i do
[02:44] <zblach> evader: apples v. oranges
[02:44] <nnn0> both is bloated, but gnome is evil too
[02:45] <glick> Infecto: check this out http://rafb.net/paste/results/HybM2N32.html
[02:45] <zblach> juicy delicious apples v. old bruised oranges
[02:45] <glick> do i have 4 kernels installed?
[02:45] <evader> zblach: why do you say that?
[02:45] <evader> glick: why do you say that?
[02:45] <evader> I'
[02:45] <glick> and what does pi stand for
[02:45] <zblach> evader: i've used both, and I much prefer kde
[02:45] <zblach> seems cleaner, quicker, and more intuitive
[02:45] <glick> evader: check out that link
[02:45] <Infecto> glick: that is still -23
[02:45] <Infecto> linux-image-2.6.15-22-386
[02:45] <nnn0> the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle; approximately equal to 3.14159265358979323846
[02:45] <Infecto>  -22
[02:46] <Infecto> that what you need
[02:46] <Infecto> ok by
[02:46] <Infecto> battery donw
[02:46] <Infecto> [d] 
[02:46] <nnn0> d8^,-~~"
[02:46] <evader> I've used gnome for ages, and just switched to KDE...
[02:46] <evader> i do like some things (amaroK)
[02:46] <evader> and the system tray..
[02:46] <nnn0> gnome is too much like windows for my taste
[02:47] <evader> why is gnome like windows?
[02:47] <nnn0> trying to hide functionality
[02:47] <evader> What's that link for?
[02:47] <nnn0> make it "simple"
[02:47] <evader> the pi one..
[02:47] <nnn0> fuck simple
[02:48] <evader> Also, using ubuntu, i can't ctrl-alt-f1, f2 etc... to get to a console
[02:48] <evader> any ideas why...
[02:48] <nnn0> if you want a cool wm, both gnome and kde are not gonna cut it
[02:48] <evader> ubuntu or kubuntu just give me a blank screen when i do it
[02:48] <r0xz> nnn0: get yourself together please
[02:48] <zblach> evader: left ctrl + left alt
[02:48] <nnn0> okok
[02:48] <evader> zblach: yeah that's what i do
[02:48] <evader> nnn0: I'm very fond of wmii
[02:48] <nnn0> there you go
[02:48] <zblach> evader: you have a new keyboard? maybe F-lock is not on?
[02:48] <nnn0> :)
[02:49] <evader> zblach: nah, i am using a laptop keyboard
[02:49] <nnn0> i'm playing with fluxbox
[02:49] <evader> nnn0: what do you think of fluxbox?
[02:49] <PyroMithrandir> evader, did you ask that question earlier? maybe in #ubuntu?
[02:49] <evader> i prefer keyboard driven stuff
[02:49] <PyroMithrandir> because I saw that same question earlier today
[02:49] <nnn0> but now i run enlightenment as wm undre kde :D
[02:49] <evader> PyroMithrandir: no
[02:49] <evader> nnn0: how do i switch wm's under KDE?
[02:49] <PyroMithrandir> what happens if you do ctrl+alt+f* and then hit enter
[02:49] <evader> PyroMithrandir: , i'll try..
[02:50] <PyroMithrandir> that's what did it for the last guy, I believe
[02:50] <evader> nah that didnt work
[02:51] <PyroMithrandir> ah, well, it worked for someone else today
[02:51] <nnn0> k edit /etc/profile
[02:51] <nnn0> and put in above export:  KDEWM=enlightenment
[02:51] <nnn0> and then add that do export, like in: export PATH KDEWM
[02:52] <nnn0> and then restart session
[02:52] <evader> that makes no sense.. this is the first couple lines of my /etc/profile
[02:52] <evader> #/etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1))
[02:52] <evader> # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...).
[02:52] <evader> if [ "$PS1" ] ; then
[02:52] <evader>   if [ "$BASH" ] ; then
[02:52] <evader>     PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ '
[02:52] <nnn0> of course you have to build enlightenment beforehand ;)
[02:52] <evader> i want to use wmii under kde :)
[02:52] <PyroMithrandir> evader, when I had that problem with the blank screen instead of a console, I remember it being because of the splash option in booting the kernel
[02:52] <evader> to see if it works
[02:53] <evader> evader: ok.. i'll turn that off..
[02:53] <_neil> Hi I am trying to get a USB printer to go but cups says it is not connected, can anyone help
[02:53] <evader> _neil: lsusb
[02:53] <evader> lsusb |grep -i printer
[02:53] <evader> see anything?
[02:53] <zblach> k3b reports the dvd as a blank medium (correct), but also says that it has no writable medium
[02:53] <evader> lsmod |grep -i usb
[02:54] <evader> zblach: run k3bsetup2?
[02:54] <zblach> done that, there are no errors
[02:54] <zblach> but this works: writing an image first, and then burning the image
[02:54] <MasterEvilAce> A few of my laptop keys (Media keys: Play,stop,prev,next) do not generate any sort of codes when pressed.. how do i make them?
[02:55] <zblach> MasterEvilAce: sometimes they just don't
[02:55] <_neil> evader: nothing with the the text "printer"
[02:55] <zblach> not all media keys work with linux
[02:55] <zblach> sorry
[02:55] <evader> _neil: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:55] <MasterEvilAce> zblach: i can't MAKE them work? :(
[02:56] <evader> Hmm... so much bloat... so little time. I want a distro like Gentoo, where i can choose what I want, but not start off with heaps of bloat
[02:56] <PyroMithrandir> MasterEvilAce, write drivers :)
[02:56] <evader> Maybe ubuntu-server is the way to go?
[02:56] <evader> I want to be able to choose like Gentoo, but not compile everything!
[02:57] <evader> Is ubuntu server the same as ubuntu/kubuntu but, with no xorg and X packages?
[02:58] <zblach> MasterEvilAce: i'm sure you _can_ but the road is long and difficult, and no one's ever survived
[02:58] <zblach> if you do, post a tutorial
[02:59] <zblach> if you don't... well, you died for a good cause
[03:01] <evader> Is ubuntu-server the same basis as Kubuntu and Ubuntu, but with no X packages?
[03:01] <_neil> evader: sorry for the delay linux version is "Linux laptop 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Fri Apr 28 13:13:44 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux"
[03:04] <evader> is that Kubuntu Breezy?
[03:04] <_neil> evader: I think so.
[03:05] <evader> hmm...
[03:05] <evader> show me the output of lsusb, in a private message
[03:05] <_neil> evader: how
[03:06] <evader> in a terminal, do lsusb
[03:06] <evader> copy the text
[03:06] <evader> paste it in irc
[03:06] <evader> and add
[03:06] <evader> "/msg evader yourtexthere"
[03:07] <_neil> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 047e:1001 Agere Systems, Inc. (Lucent) USS720 Parallel Port
[03:07] <_neil> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:07] <_neil> sorry that didn't go as planed
[03:08] <evader> hah
[03:08] <evader> hmm
[03:08] <evader> is the printer turned on!?
[03:08] <evader> unplug the printer (the usb cable)
[03:08] <evader> plug it back in
[03:09] <evader> then, in a konsole, do dmesg|head -n 20
[03:09] <evader> and then paste that to me
[03:09] <_neil> evader: hah hah first thing I checked. don't you mean 'tail'
[03:09] <evader> oops
[03:09] <evader> yeah :0
[03:10] <evader> What are the disadvantages of using a KDE app under Gnome, or a Gnome app under KDE?
[03:11] <evader> Is it just that you'd have both sets of libraries (QT and GTK/GTK2) loaded in memory?
[03:12] <sheldonc> evader: well the apps might act a bit differently, and you'd be consuming more resources
[03:13] <_neil> evader: see http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/6982
[03:13] <evader> What I really want: Gnome/KDE, with wmii as the window manager (for keyboard goodness) and amaroK
[03:14] <evader> _neil: [ 2169.115489]  uss720: reg: d8 0c 23 00 00 00 01
[03:14] <evader> [ 2169.115501]  uss720: epaddr 131 interval 1
[03:14] <evader> [ 2171.661908]  parport2: Printer, HEWLETT-PACKARD DESKJET 948C
[03:14] <evader> [ 2171.666327]  lp2: using parport2 (polling).
[03:14] <evader> it's there..?
[03:14] <evader> open up a web browser
[03:14] <evader> and go to:
[03:14] <evader> http://localhost:631
[03:14] <evader> tell me what comes up
[03:15] <OpenSorce> odd question: Since I upgraded to FireFox 1.5 everytime I insert a CD it shows the contents in a Konq window 11 times.......make any sense? :-)
[03:15] <_neil> evader: a page with a number of options to click on
[03:16] <evader> ok
[03:16] <evader> so cups is running..
[03:16] <evader> try and add a printer through that web interface
[03:17] <ahmeni> evader: KDE apps typically have some other KDE functionality that they come with, so your loading times will depend on what is and isn't currently loaded, but otherwise everything but systray icons work great in wmii
[03:21] <word> I'm getting no sound in mplayer...i get sound in other things but not in it...what could be wrong?
[03:21] <evader> when you run mplayer, is there any errors
[03:25] <stodge> Hi - I added the repository for koffice, but it doesn't show in the adept search results. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[03:26] <evader> stodge: apt-get update
[03:26] <stodge> did that already
[03:26] <moldor> Hi gang - quick question: can I do a hard drive install from the Live CD ?
[03:26] <evader> are you sure the repo has been added (cat /etc/apt/sources.lst)
[03:27] <stodge> Damn I added it manually but it's not there
[03:27] <evader> sudo vi /etc/apt/source.lst
[03:27] <word> evader: Sorry for the late response.  yes, Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound when i play a video.
[03:27] <evader> hmm
[03:27] <evader> but the same thing works when you open it in a different player?
[03:27] <stodge> sources.list?
[03:28] <evader> stodge: yeah
[03:28] <evader> sorry
[03:28] <stodge> :)
[03:28] <word> I can hear sound in other programs i don't have any other video players atm i'm getting this to work for streaming video.
[03:28] <stodge> It is at the end of sources.list but it doesn't show in apt-get update
[03:28] <evader> also, you may need to add the GPG key stodge
[03:28] <evader> # gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[03:28] <evader> # gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[03:28] <evader> replace KEY with
[03:29] <evader> DD4D5088\
[03:29] <evader> that should be the kubuntu.org Koffice key..
[03:29] <evader> not the \
[03:29] <evader> just DD4D5088
[03:29] <stodge> I did this          http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[03:29] <stodge> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[03:29] <stodge> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[03:29] <word> evader: I can hear sound in other programs i don't have any other video players atm i'm getting this to work for streaming video.
[03:30] <evader> ah ok
[03:30] <evader> not sure word, try... mplayer --no-cache
[03:30] <evader> or whatever the option is
[03:31] <stodge> Ah            gpg: can't open `kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg': No such file or directory
[03:32] <evader> stick to the console
[03:32] <evader> Adept sucks
[03:37] <OpenSorce> sorry I was afk......did anyone address my question?
[03:38] <OpenSorce> guess not? Is it ok if I re-post it then?
[03:38] <evader> ja
[03:38] <OpenSorce> Danke.....odd question: Since I upgraded to FireFox 1.5 everytime I insert a CD it shows the contents in a Konq window 11 times.......make any sense? :-)
[03:38] <evader> that sucks
[03:38] <evader> um
[03:39] <evader> run...
[03:39] <evader> sudo update-alternatives --all
[03:39] <evader> There is an option, about web browsers...
[03:39] <OpenSorce> I mean it mounts ok and it's just an annoyance closing 11 windows......
[03:39] <evader> disable autorun....
[03:39] <evader> but do that update-alternatives thing first
[03:40] <OpenSorce> hmm.....well.....I'm trying to make an image of a very well setup Kubuntu install.......I don't need autorun myself but others might.....
[03:41] <mathakin> alguien habla espaol aca?
[03:41] <evader> run sudo update-alternatives --all
[03:41] <evader> ci
[03:41] <mathakin> si como que?
[03:41] <mathakin> a alguien le ha pasado que ninguna aplicacion de Kubuntu le salga a internet a menos que sea una que viene con Kubuntu?
[03:41] <martim> anyone having problems with broken packages in synaptic? ntp-server specifically
[03:42] <OpenSorce> evader: ja, vielen Dank
[03:42] <evader> bitte sehr
[03:42] <xwolf-> damn... deutsch
[03:42] <mathakin> joe no cazo una & my english y so bad!
[03:43] <xwolf-> ich brauche TO erlernen das
[03:43] <xwolf-> lol
[03:43] <mathakin> O_O
[03:43] <evader> Eu no sou certo o que voc significa
[03:43] <MasterEvilAce> HELL YEAH SUPER TUX 100FPS
[03:43] <MasterEvilAce> gooo tux
[03:43] <mathakin> bye people  I can t understand you
[03:43] <OpenSorce> Sie wissen genug
[03:44] <evader> TOO MANY LANGUAGES
[03:44] <OpenSorce> ah crap :-(
[03:44] <evader> haha
[03:44] <OpenSorce> sorry guys.....
[03:44] <evader> meh i was trying to keep up
[03:44] <evader> but i'm crap
[03:44] <evader> i'll stick to english
[03:44] <OpenSorce>   
[03:45] <OpenSorce> yeah me too
[03:46] <evader> If I install the Dapper RC today, will there be any difference if I had of just waited a few days and installed the final release?
[03:46] <evader> As long as I keep it updated ..
[03:46] <OpenSorce> seems like......
[03:46] <evader> ?
[03:47] <OpenSorce> but I've only been reviewing (k)Ubuntu for about a week or so......don't take my word for it
[03:47] <evader> What do you mean seems like?
[03:47] <Bilford>  
[03:48] <Bilford> Can Windows do that?
[03:49] <omega> Why would windows want to do that?
[03:49] <Bilford> it looks cool
[03:49] <omega> Does it though?
[03:50] <ubuntu> brb
[03:51] <OpenSorce> evader: sorry.....seems like it would be the same.....sorry was reading and installing KotOR2....and sending an sms.....did I mention my ADD?
[03:51] <evader> hah
[03:51] <jonathan_> Hey, can you boot an iso from a hard disk?
[03:52] <OpenSorce> btw.....liflg.org doth rock
[03:52] <OpenSorce> jonathan_: VMWare can.....
[03:53] <jonathan_> just set up like a network install?
[03:54] <OpenSorce> oh, ok....what are you trying to do?
[03:55] <OpenSorce> wow....there was a guy here named Palpatine....who quit when I said I was installing KotOR2?!? He's gone to warn the Sith!!! :-D
[03:55] <OpenSorce> Holy hell........end of the month.....out of Ritalin too soon.....I'l stfu now
[03:56] <sheldonc> bit too much sugar today
[03:57] <OpenSorce> man.....jonathan_ left :-(
[03:58] <OpenSorce> now I REALLY feel like a dork
[04:00] <lwizardl> whats a good newsgroup binaries downloader besides pan? pan seems to crash and close itself to often for me
[04:01] <Macxdmg> anyone know what /etc/rc.local
[04:01] <Macxdmg> is
[04:02] <evader> man /etc/rc.local
[04:02] <martim> ntp-server: broken package
[04:03] <Macxdmg> i can't get into my kubuntu ... the last thing I see is running /etc/rc.local ... in safe mode it reads /etc/rcS.D before it hangs
[04:04] <OpenSorce> Macxdmg: rc.local is a group of startup commands and such
[04:05] <OpenSorce> mac: it doesn't mean that THAT is the cause of your problem
[04:05] <word> With mplayer i get this error - http://pastebin.com/742166 in command line..what could be wrong?
[04:06] <OpenSorce> on my first Kubuntu install I broke it clicking "Full Upgrade" in adept
[04:07] <word> OpenSorce: any idea what my problem is?
[04:07] <OpenSorce> word: I'm looking.....
[04:08] <word> OpenSorce: Thanks.
[04:09] <OpenSorce> word: dunno if that's really an error message per se but maybe just telling you that it is pasting the crash info you "pastebin" or that you need to.....are there any other error messages?
[04:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Anyone know how to change the startbar to look like XP
[04:09] <omega> Install Windows. =P
[04:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Ouch, tough room
[04:10] <sheldonc> hahaha
[04:10] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: there are several nice looking themes out there
[04:10] <omega> It's just a joke. Nothing to worry about.
[04:10] <word> I get the Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. in gui of mplayer
[04:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I know it can be changed. Just trying to learn my way around Kubuntu
[04:11] <OpenSorce> jack: I doubt any look like XP.......we're Linux people....most of us (well me anyway) hate M$ :-)
[04:11] <OpenSorce> wtf?!? My nick complete only works half the time !
[04:11] <OpenSorce> That's it, I am re-installing Slack 3!
[04:11] <word> OpenSorce: lol... so any idea what - Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. means?
[04:12] <Jack_Sparrow> You can see screenshots at kde-look.org
[04:12] <sheldonc> im sure there is ways you can make it look just like windows. don't hate MS.
[04:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Fixing MS pays the bills...
[04:13] <OpenSorce> word: yes actually......ok, (guys correct me if I am wrong here) (K)Ubuntu has a "DSP" group that a user must belong to in order to acess the sound card
[04:13] <MasterEvilAce> amarok does NOT open the "do not show splashscreen" thing
[04:14] <azayaka> hello all
[04:14] <MasterEvilAce> hi
[04:14] <azayaka> i just installed kubuntu this morning its really cool
[04:14] <OpenSorce> word: (why am I using nick complete for your nick?!?!) Do you know if your user account you are trtying to launch mplayer with is in this group?
[04:15] <azayaka> but now i feel like such a dumbass.. im new to this.. i dont recall it asking me to create a root password?
[04:15] <Macxdmg> Open : do you know how i could get my kubuntu to start?
[04:15] <OpenSorce> ./s/trtying/trying
[04:15] <azayaka> during the install.. if it did then whatever i typed isnt working
[04:15] <OpenSorce> mac: when I broke mine I reinstalled it.....
[04:15] <azayaka> i may need to attempt single user mode and set root passwd in there somehow from what i've read
[04:15] <OpenSorce> azayaka: rott account is disabled by default
[04:16] <OpenSorce> *root
[04:16] <azayaka> oooh so its not just me
[04:16] <Macxdmg> fork ... thanks open
[04:16] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: yes, there's a bug in malone for that
[04:16] <MasterEvilAce> cool
[04:16] <OpenSorce> azayaka: use sudo for anything rootish you need to do :-)
[04:16] <azayaka> yeah been doing that so far for the most part
[04:17] <azayaka> i was a little disappointed when i tried playing one of my DVD's after i'd installed VLC media player
[04:17] <OpenSorce> azayaka: I hated it at first.....then I thought of all the coppertops that misused root in Mandrake all those years ago (shudder) now I like it :-)
[04:18] <azayaka> it seems to be not working at all for DVD's error states region 4 or something..
[04:18] <azayaka> im thinking i need a css or a decss thingo
[04:18] <azayaka> if u know what i mean ?
[04:18] <OpenSorce> azayaka: ah....still doable......add the "other" repositories in Adept and then you can download all the needed libs for DVD's and mp3s
[04:18] <azayaka> cool thanks ^^
[04:18] <azayaka> i'll give it a go now
[04:19] <OpenSorce> azayaka: seems like I still needed at least one lib from VLC's site though.....
[04:19] <OpenSorce> azayaka: have fun :-)
[04:21] <OpenSorce> Kubuntu Kninjas.......feel free to toss me a stfu if I say the wrong thing here......I am, after all, a Kubuntu Knewb
[04:21] <nick__> does anyone know much about xgl?
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> STFU
[04:21] <OpenSorce> ./s/tonigh/tonight
[04:22] <OpenSorce> master: haha
[04:22] <OpenSorce> grr....stupid nick complete
[04:22] <azayaka> nick_ i know XGL looks damn awesome im gonna set it up when im done here
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[04:22] <nick__> I've got it
[04:22] <nick__> sortof
[04:22] <Jack_Sparrow> OpenSorce:  mine works
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> I need fun apps for KDe/Kubuntu plz k thx
[04:22] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: mine only half the time.....like litterally every other time
[04:22] <nick__> Just whenever windows get too big they turn black
[04:23] <nick__> so the desktop is all black
[04:23] <OpenSorce> jack: see?
[04:23] <nick__> maximized windows are black
[04:23] <OpenSorce> oh....wait....caps!
[04:23] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: 1
[04:23] <OpenSorce> jack: 1
[04:23] <OpenSorce> yup.....how silly
[04:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Cool
[04:24] <nick__> I think I need to roll back my nvidia-glx driver
[04:24] <Jack_Sparrow> CaSe SeNsEtIvE
[04:24] <nick__> can't figure out how to do it though...
[04:24] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: I ph33r your 1337 cApS skillz
[04:24] <Hobbsee> bah.  stop that.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: go look in adept for apps
[04:25] <OpenSorce> Hobbsee: yessir
[04:25] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:25] <Jack_Sparrow> I am still trying to change my K-Menu to an XP look
[04:25] <nick__> ugh
[04:25] <nick__> why
[04:25] <nick__> on earth
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: I know.. but there's too many
[04:25] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: that is blasphemy.....you know that right?
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: It's Mam! not Sir!
[04:25] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: really?
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: of course
[04:26] <nick__> I don't use the menu anymore just katapult for me
[04:26] <Jack_Sparrow> It is just a way for me to begin to learn my way around Kubuntu
[04:26] <nick__> oh
[04:26] <nick__> you know about katapult?
[04:26] <Jack_Sparrow> I saw screenshots of it at KDE-Look.org
[04:26] <nick__> it should be on your computer now
[04:26] <nick__> it comes with kubuntu
[04:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Not katapult.. The XP theme.
[04:27] <nick__> oh
[04:27] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: " We exist without skin color,
[04:27] <OpenSorce> without nationality, without religious bias..." I suppose without gender in my eyes......Linux chicks are however, hot :-)
[04:27] <OpenSorce> hey......how did that CR slip in there?!?
[04:27] <nick__> I guess if there's an OSX theme, why not an Xp theme?
[04:28] <CaBlGuY> greetings and salutations all..  :)
[04:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Yo... Go Yellow....CAB
[04:28] <azayaka> crud adept keeps crashing T_T
[04:28] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: howdy
[04:28] <OpenSorce> azayaka: uh-oh......you might try running it in a terminal to see why...
[04:29] <CaBlGuY> im tired of winblowz freezin up so, IM stickin with ubuntu at least until dapper comes out and I can upgrade. :P
[04:29] <OpenSorce> azayaka: or type dmesg to see what's up maybe
[04:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I still have an hour of DL on the HD Install CD
[04:29] <nick__> what do you have for a connection Jack_Sparrow?
[04:30] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: "Why do my eyes hurt?" Morpheus: "Because you've never used them before."
[04:30] <Jack_Sparrow> DSL
[04:30] <CaBlGuY> dang..   wel Jack_Sparrow  sometimes the server is a little slow too..
[04:30] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> np I am on a different computer anyhow...
[04:31] <azayaka> uhoh ...
[04:31] <nick__> are you getting the dVd?
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> no.. just the CD foor now
[04:31] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow,  oh, cool..
[04:31] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow,  is this your first time in Ubunutu then?
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> brb need to get a slice of watermellon
[04:31] <OpenSorce> Well let's see.....I've referrenced the "Mentor's" manifesto and the Matrix......I wonder how truly lame I can sound this evening......GOD I wish I wasn't out of ritalin
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, I have run Mepis and Knoppix
[04:32] <azayaka> says something like hda: command error : {drive ready seek complete error}
[04:32] <nick__> may want to wait for dapper
[04:32] <nick__> Jack_Sparrow: a
[04:32] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow,  well good for you...  I like Ubuntu.. It's pretty simple to install and get drivers for all yur shtuff.. ;)
[04:32] <nick__> it comes out in a few days
[04:32] <azayaka> that stuffs probably just something to do with my dvd drive having dvd in
[04:32] <CaBlGuY> yea.. dapper is comin out in like 5 days or somethin..
[04:32] <nick__> 4
[04:32] <Jack_Sparrow> azayaka... Are you running the nforce4 and a Maxtor drive?
[04:32] <CaBlGuY> be the newest distro..
[04:33] <OpenSorce> is Dapper just for 64bit?
[04:33] <nick__> no
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[04:33] <nick__> i'm running it now
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> return to castle wolfenstein CD won't install (in windows)
[04:33] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  no..
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> cd prob or something. yet cd has NO scratches
[04:33] <CaBlGuY> it will be for regular machines as well
[04:33] <nick__> it was too stable for me so I had to try this whole compiz/xgl stuff
[04:33] <azayaka> yeah i have Nforce 4 with 4x sata HDD's (2x seagate 300gb, 1x WD 300GB 1x seagate 250GB)
[04:34] <OpenSorce> no? Oh great.....I've spent two weeks writing a review of Kubuntu as-is.....wouldn't be right to publish it without reviewing Dapper would it?
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  sure it would..
[04:34] <MasterEvilAce`LT> it would
[04:34] <nick__> it just be out of date
[04:34] <azayaka> i think its saying hda which would be IDE pioneer DVD burner (i've 2 of these hda, hdc)
[04:34] <Jack_Sparrow> azayaka:  there are some issues with the nforce4 chipset..
[04:34] <nick__> rather quickly ;)
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> Just be sure u mention it's pre-dapper
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> :0
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> :o)
[04:34] <MasterEvilAce`LT> and say what sorta features dapper has added
[04:34] <nick__> dapper is in RC right now
[04:34] <azayaka> used to have maxtor HDD IDE till i installed this morning took out old slow IDE
[04:34] <nick__> so all the features are there
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce`LT> Be like Kubuntu was awesome! and this isn't even the newest version, there's new hotness that is DAPPER! it cures cancer
[04:35] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: nah......I could do that but then I'd wanna turn right around and review Dapper
[04:35] <nick__> apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce`LT> your name is spelled wrong btw
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce`LT> Source
[04:35] <nick__> add the repos first
[04:35] <Jack_Sparrow> azayaka: do a quick search on the web for nforce4 hard drive problems
[04:36] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  true, whatever you feel is best..  eather way would be fine im sure..  ;)
[04:36] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: oh! Hey!!! You are the first to ever notice that!!
[04:36] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: LOL really? or sarcasm?
[04:36] <Jack_Sparrow> It isnt just a Linux problem it is windows as well.  Seagates seem to do the best
[04:36] <azayaka> jack_Sparrow will i then find a cure? or will it simply make me cry?
[04:36] <Bilford> Konq is acting like FF did before I did the IPV6 fix on FF..   How do I do the same thing to Konq
[04:36] <nick__> ipv6?
[04:36] <Bilford> long pauses before a page loads
[04:37] <Jack_Sparrow> It will make you cry..
[04:37] <azayaka> this evening im buying a 2nd 7800GTX extreme 256MB for SLI .. will this cause problems for linux?
[04:37] <nick__> probably lol
[04:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Nforce is ignoring the problem..
[04:37] <nick__> i don't know about SLI support
[04:37] <nick__> because it's so new
[04:37] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: search button :P
[04:37] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: I'm kidding.....a long time ago on a BBS far far away I posted through sleepy eyes to some selfish dev....."There is no "U" in Open Source"......I meant to say "no "I" in.." anyway.....people called me "OpenSorce" after that
[04:38] <Bilford> Im sure this is a very very common problem
[04:38] <azayaka> i'd read posts people run gentoo with SLI fine.. nvidia provides their own binaries so i just figured it'd work
[04:38] <Bilford> The long delay before something loads in Konq
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: haha, nice
[04:38] <Bilford> how do I fix it
[04:38] <nick__> could thene
[04:38] <Bilford> a web page, that is
[04:38] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: also at that time you could only have a 9 character nick in IRC.....OpenSorce fit
[04:38] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce, hehe   well there ya go then..  good nick story..  :)
[04:38] <nick__> Are you sure it's not just a bad connection Bilford
[04:38] <nick__> ?
[04:38] <azayaka> hehe earlier i'd tried about 10 times to install gentoo.. always failed.. unless i installed it on other peoples computers
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> CaBlGuY: indeed, quite original.
[04:38] <azayaka> then it worked perfectly
[04:38] <azayaka> so i figured i'd go kubuntu FTW simplicity
[04:39] <CaBlGuY> MasterEvilAce,  indeed..  :)
[04:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I really need to go cut a piece of watermellon.. THe wife is giving me that "LOOK"
[04:40] <OpenSorce> Can you guys believe that KOTOR2 has been installing this WHOLE time?
[04:40] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: you better run
[04:40] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: so Jim Carrey or Larry the?
[04:41] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: or do you have a nick story as lame as mine? :-)
[04:41] <MasterEvilAce> Guys: Maybe he's just a cable guy?
[04:42] <OpenSorce> yeah, yeah could be....sorry am I being too "off-topic"?
[04:42] <Spaceraver> then he is teh evil!!
[04:42] <Spaceraver> :D
[04:42] <OpenSorce> Spaceraver: hehe
[04:42] <MasterEvilAce> IRC is never really ontopic
[04:42] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: too true
[04:42] <Spaceraver> the day it is.. im quitting irc!!
[04:43] <MasterEvilAce> Spaceraver: who are you again? :P
[04:43] <OpenSorce> Spaceraver: NO!!! Quit you must not, to the DarkSide it will lead you!
[04:43] <Spaceraver> just a ubuntu user
[04:44] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  I have a story.. well, Kinda..
[04:44] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:44] <Spaceraver> hehe
[04:44] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: yeah?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:44] <ubotu> kofftopic is probably Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:45] <MasterEvilAce`LT> be quiet, ubotu, nobody likes you!
[04:45] <CaBlGuY> I'm an "old skool" script kiddie..   and I had a cable connection when we opened our Warez channel on IRC back in the day... and back then I was known as CaBlGuY-SuRfRkInG
[04:45] <CaBlGuY> :)
[04:45] <word> OpenSorce: Sorry for the late response >< i only have one user and only one group and amarok works fine so I don't think that's it.
[04:45] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: nice!
[04:45] <r0xz> pfff just used abcde and jack, those are really advanced rippers
[04:45] <r0xz> i can't deside anymore :s
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> yep..  I liked it so, I kept it over the years..
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> :)
[04:46] <OpenSorce> word: kk......in the past I have had issues with aRtsd running and hogging up the sound card.......not saying that's it.....but it _could_ be
[04:46] <word> wouldn't that prevent amarok from playing?
[04:47] <eimajenthat> hi, I'm trying to install nvidia-settings w/ adept, but when I select it, it selects nvidia-glx for removal
[04:47] <Spaceraver> hmm... this (k)ubuntu thing is starting to grow on me i think.. im running xoblite on an xp machine too...
[04:47] <OpenSorce> word: well not if Amarok uses arts too
[04:47] <word> i have it set to use alsa
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> word,  yes, amrok is kinda finicy..
[04:47] <eimajenthat> !xoblite
[04:47] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eimajenthat
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> *finiky
[04:47] <azayaka> how can i get the DVD's i bought which are retail with CSS to play back?
[04:48] <eimajenthat> apt-get install libdvdcss
[04:48] <Hobbsee> er, what's the problem with amarok?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[04:48] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> !restricted
[04:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:48] <OpenSorce> word: ok (CaBlGuY: Finicky) hmmm.....
[04:48] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[04:48] <word> OpenSorce: :( I went to the mplayer channel but they prefer to ignore problems they can't solve off the top of their head lol..
[04:49] <CaBlGuY> word,  U have beep installed??
[04:49] <OpenSorce> word: you might might might.....try running mplayer as root ("sudo mplayer") just to see if it is a permissions thing or not
[04:51] <OpenSorce> word: you'll find that is a fairly common attitude among those in the know.......this channel is an absolute exception to that rule
[04:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Mepis is also very helpfull for generic kde or debian issues
[04:52] <OpenSorce> word: sometimes they just want to feel superior rather than help you......have not run into that issue here at all though
[04:52] <word> :D No...beep i don't have installed...and sudo privs with that doesn't work
[04:53] <OpenSorce> word: I would probably try uninstalling and reinstalling mplayer with adept (if that is how you installed it) I know it seems a very "windowsesque" approach but sometimes it works
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> word,  well if you like, beep is basicaly a "generic" winamp for Linux.  it's very easy to use an such..  and works most of the time..
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> it shuld be in the devs..
[04:54] <word> I'm using mplayer for streaming video in web browsers :-/
[04:56] <CaBlGuY> Howdy snupples   o/
[04:58] <word> new error - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742247
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> word,  that looks like maybe a driver problem..
[04:59] <word> Meh. :(
[04:59] <word> how to fix?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> word: got alsa-utils installed?
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> have to find the driver specifcally for your card..
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> on devs
[04:59] <sheldon> test
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> Hey Hobbsee  o/
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:00] <word> Hobbsee: Yes.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hi
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> word,  she will know..  /me points to Hobbsee
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> :P
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> Hows that Dapper lookin Hobbsee ..  :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> word: hmmm...crimsun would know, but he's not here
[05:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun is the expert on sound
[05:01] <word> Maybe he could be some kind of sound super hero and if you chant crimsum 3 times he'll hear his name and get on IRC O.O
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> LOL  @ word...  Or not..
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> :P
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> it's saturday...
[05:02] <word> I can dream can't I? :P
[05:02] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> yes word, u can dream...
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is saturday...he's here, but idling...not in this channel for some reason
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:03] <word> VIA8237 so google linux drivers for that card?
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> so, Hobbsee  dapper...   huh huh huh....
[05:03] <Hobbsee> he's at work, it seems
[05:03] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: yes, dapper.  what about it?
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> hows it comin silly
[05:03] <Hobbsee> oh
[05:03] <Hobbsee> seems good to me :)
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> commin even
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> have u tested it yet?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> dapper?
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> yep..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> of course
[05:04] <Hobbsee> i've been running it since flight 1
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> wlel cmon woman..  out with it..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> it's been my sole OS - well, apart from XP, since about jan this year
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> tell us..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> what do you want to know?
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> everything..   of corse..
[05:04] <nick__> Hobbsee do you have XGL/compiz?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> nick__: no
[05:04] <azayaka> oooh i found those free codecs pages from google..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> !xgl
[05:04] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> whats new, whats the same, whats been improved..  etc
[05:05] <azayaka> they told me to us that css thingo but i cant install it
[05:05] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: there's a release page with all of that info...
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !flight 6
[05:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !flight6
[05:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:05] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  oh sure..   just pass it off to the web page..  I c how it is.. :/
[05:05] <azayaka> says something weak like configure error compiler cannot create executables
[05:05] <nick__> you need gcc
[05:06] <Hobbsee> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperrc
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> lol
[05:06] <Hobbsee> !tell azayaka about b-e
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> yur mean.. ya meany.....
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> :p
[05:14] <RadiantFire> so, I've noticed something
[05:14] <RadiantFire> the kubuntu version of kcontrol for samba doesn't have the option to change workgroup
[05:14] <Massacration> good night
[05:14] <RadiantFire> does anyone know where that option is hiding?
[05:14] <Massacration> everyone
[05:14] <Massacration> could any body help me?
[05:14] <Massacration> i've jsut downloaded
[05:14] <Massacration> the whole dapper
[05:15] <Massacration> but it just won't install
[05:15] <Massacration> which apt command should i use?
[05:15] <RadiantFire> what do you mean, it just won't install
[05:15] <RadiantFire> are you running breezy?
[05:15] <Massacration> yes
[05:16] <RadiantFire> i thinke there are upgrade instructions somewhere, but if you've downloaded a CD y ou could just do a clean install
[05:16] <Massacration> it appears 122 packages not updated
[05:16] <Massacration> no i've just changed the repositories to dapper
[05:16] <Massacration> in the apt
[05:17] <Massacration> adept
[05:17] <RadiantFire> did the update process crash with some error?
[05:17] <Massacration> no
[05:17] <Massacration> it didnt
[05:18] <RadiantFire> well, there is the possibility that some packages are the same version in dapper as breezy I guess
[05:18] <RadiantFire> if it finished completely, your probably ok
[05:18] <RadiantFire> I'd assume programs like bzip2 don't change very much aymore
[05:18] <crimsun> Hobbsee: pong(unlikely)
[05:19] <Massacration> thanls anyway
[05:19] <gil> can someone help me with ACPI suspend mode
[05:19] <gil> on a toshiba laptop
[05:20] <word> hmm...how do you configure alsa?
[05:21] <crimsun> word: should be done automatically for you unless you have an isa sound card
[05:21] <gil> i cant get my laptop out of suspend mode...can someone help me
[05:22] <Massacration> I like ISA sound cards
[05:22] <Massacration> I have one
[05:22] <Massacration> sound blaster pro
[05:22] <Massacration> it orcks
[05:22] <word> ah! crimsun the sound guru
[05:22] <word> I knew chanting your name would help!
[05:22] <Massacration> it has 15 years old
[05:22] <word> crimsun: I'm getting this error - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742247
[05:24] <word> crimsun: It's when i try to run mplayer i get sound in other things just not mplayer
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hey crimsun :)
[05:26] <crimsun> hi Hobbsee
[05:27] <Hobbsee> you found word then?  good :)
[05:27] <crimsun> word: sec
[05:27] <word> :D
[05:28] <crimsun> word: pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[05:29] <crimsun> (need the url)
[05:38] <RadiantFire> weee, the new update fixed kaffeines attempts to play system:/media/hdc when a DVD is put in :-)
[05:38] <RadiantFire> this is so sweet
[05:41] <crimsun> word: any progress?
[05:42] <word> crimsun: sorry relatives are over and i keep getting dragged out to talk
[05:42] <CaBlGuY-Sleep> night all..
[05:43] <crimsun> word: np, take your time, I'm here for another three hours orso
[05:44] <word> crimsun: Here- http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742285
[05:45] <Bilford> I might just switch to Konqueror as default web browser
[05:46] <crimsun> word: are you using breezy or dapper rc?
[05:46] <stevekl> Guys, my VLC is all slow and very unresponsive to things like changing the volume and fast forwarding...does anyone have any idea what the problem may be? The video plays fine, but changing something like the volume is hideously laggy (this is kubuntu dapper)
[05:46] <word> Dapper rc.
[05:46] <crimsun> word: ok, and I presume you want your onboard sound chipset to be the default one?
[05:46] <azayaka> uhh it looks like i cant install XGL unless i run dapper?
[05:46] <word> crimsun: Yup.
[05:47] <word> crimsun: Is it not atm?
[05:47] <OpenSorce> stevekl: are you playing a dvd?
[05:47] <crimsun> word: ok, open a Konsole, and type: asoundconf set-default-card V8237
[05:47] <OpenSorce> stevekl: if so, do you have dma turned on?
[05:47] <azayaka> i just installed 5.10 is it possible to upgrade to something so i can play with XGL?
[05:47] <stevekl> OpenSorce: It happens with DVDs, avis, whatever
[05:48] <OpenSorce> stevekl: oh.....hmm....no clue, sorry
[05:48] <azayaka> least u guys have DVD's playing..
[05:48] <word> crimsun: Thanks! :D that did the trick.
[05:48] <azayaka> mine spits out strange errors all the time
[05:48] <stevekl> DMA is on
[05:48] <crimsun> word: np
[05:49] <stevekl> I have another machine with kubuntu dapper and VLC works fine
[05:49] <stevekl> It's frustrating because I don't know where to begin my diagnosis
[05:51] <crimsun> stevekl: only in vlc or in any media app?
[05:51] <Bilford> add  KDE_NO_IPV6=true   to   /etc/environment   to remove the Konqueror page load delay
[05:51] <Bilford> Im surprised no one in here knows that
[05:51] <Bilford> it's a very very common problem
[05:51] <stevekl> crimsun: just vlc
[05:52] <crimsun> can you capture the output from vlc -vv while it's sluggish?
[05:52] <load> where can I find the configure options that were used to build the original package from source?
[05:53] <crimsun> load: apt-get source foo, look in $(pwd)/foo-version/debian/rules
[05:53] <load> ahhh, ok, thank you very much
[05:54] <stevekl> hold on, I think I may have solved my problem...deleted ~/.vlc/ and relaunched it, and it appears to work now
[05:54] <OpenSorce> wow.....nobody awake in #cedega
[05:55] <Bilford> I think I'll do another fresh install of Kubuntu, but this time try to use all default settings
[05:55] <Bilford> I always mess things up
[05:55] <RadiantFire> awww, defaults are no fun
[05:57] <Bilford> lol
[05:58] <Bilford> when I started using K/Ubuntu, I started using lots of Wine
[05:58] <Bilford> then I started looking for apps similar to my old Windows programs
[05:58] <Bilford> but the more I used default Kubuntu apps, the more I liked them
[05:59] <RadiantFire> Bilford: everyone goes through that process
[05:59] <Bilford> whats the next step?
[05:59] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: WHY CEDEGA, WHY??
[06:00] <RadiantFire> accepting most things, and tinkering with a few little things that bother you
[06:00] <Hobbsee> OpenSorce: do tell when cedega runs sims 2, wont you?
[06:00] <RadiantFire> about the only non-KDE app I use regularly is limewire
[06:00] <Bilford> if I use p2p, I'd use KMule
[06:00] <Bilford> or is it aMule
[06:01] <Bilford> the ed2k network is a lot larger than the Limewire network
[06:02] <Bilford> but I'd rather download from Usenet
[06:03] <RadiantFire> mmm, kmule?
[06:03] <RadiantFire> interesting
[06:04] <Bilford> aMule
[06:07] <Bilford> theres xMule too
[06:07] <nixternal> why do i have to be a xMule?
[06:07] <nixternal> oh...sorry..thought you called me an xMule ;)
[06:08] <nnn0> emulEtorZ 5K GT Rabbit v1000 theta FnordCon Edition
[06:08] <word> Hmm..how do you add applications to katapult?
[06:08] <Bilford> you are a donlock
[06:12] <word> donlock?
[06:14] <Bilford> he said he was an xMule
[06:16] <word> Ok..lol..
[06:26] <word> how do you add an application to Katapult?
[06:28] <RadiantFire> word, you just start typing
[06:28] <RadiantFire> it can access anything in your menu
[06:28] <word> oh lol...wasn't working before >< hehe...
[06:28] <Hobbsee> word: in a konsole - killall katapult && katapult
[06:28] <Hobbsee> it can refresh the lists that way
[06:29] <word> yah i restarted since i tried it last so it did that for me.
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> jeez i'm gettin kinda tired of people thinking i'm some sorta weirdo cuz my primary desktop runs linux. how long can this go on? i've only been doing it for 6 years.
[06:39] <MasterEvilAce> YOU USE LINUX LOL
[06:39] <jsgotangco> GullyFoyle: ive been doing it for almost 10
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> right
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> people think it's a fad or something. they don't get it
[06:40] <jsgotangco> do whatever works for you
[06:40] <Bilford> theyre ignorant
[06:40] <jsgotangco> no, not really
[06:40] <Bilford> they probably think AOL is the internet
[06:40] <jsgotangco> more of uneducated
[06:41] <word> they probably think macs are the future..
[06:41] <Bilford> they probably think Windows is the future
[06:41] <Bilford> Kubuntu is the future
[06:41] <jsgotangco> no
[06:42] <jsgotangco> the future is now for linux :)
[06:42] <word> Heh, you don't have to be a 'geek' to use linux you have to be a 'geek ' to know how much better it is :P
[06:42] <Bilford> only for informed people
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> i sit here, surf, email, play ut2004, chat, customize my box, watch videos, this is a fad?
[06:42] <jsgotangco> it'll be much better when dapper comes out
[06:43] <Bilford> theres many things you dont do though
[06:43] <GullyFoyle> like what?
[06:43] <Bilford> search for your serial number
[06:43] <Bilford> scan for viruses
[06:43] <Bilford> etc
[06:43] <GullyFoyle> get rid of spyware?
[06:43] <Bilford> yeah
[06:43] <jsgotangco> that's one thing i dont miss
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Bilford: you forgot about defragging.
[06:44] <Bilford> lol
[06:44] <load> if I'm going to recompile a deb package, should I use the same compiler version that was used to originally compile?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco
[06:44] <load> may be a stupid question, but I'm not 100% sure of the answer
[06:45] <load> I would imagine that for kernel modules and what not then you should but other software doesn't matter does it?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> load: er...i would have thoght you used whatever was on yoru system
[06:46] <jsgotangco> it would also depend on your target system
[06:46] <load> hobbsee: I didn't compile the original package, the package maintainer did
[06:46] <Hobbsee> load: so, er, why are you wanting to recompile the deb?
[06:46] <load> this would be for use only on my machine
[06:46] <Hobbsee> dont you want to compile the source code?
[06:47] <load> ok, rather "rebuild" the deb package, from deb-src
[06:47] <crimsun> why do you want to rebuild it?
[06:47] <load> well, better optimization for one thing
[06:47] <crimsun> the answer is generally "yes" you do want to use the same compiler version
[06:48] <crimsun> better optimisation is largely a red herring
[06:48] <crimsun> it is extremely important in the case of C++ libraries and apps
[06:48] <load> my original reason is because sometimes it takes a while to get the official package patched with a bug fix
[06:48] <crimsun> don't mix and match C++ libraries and apps compiled with different compiler versions. Some of the changes are extremely sensitive.
[06:49] <load> crimsun, yes, that part I assumed
[06:49] <crimsun> we go through a lot of trouble to transition said libraries and apps across different compilers just so you don't have to worry about them
[06:51] <load> well, I'd like to get comfortable building packages so that I may at some time be able to offer assistance to the (k)ubuntu project
[06:52] <load> really all I want to do right now is recompile kopete with the upstream patch and see if it fixes the settings/configure crash issue
[06:52] <Hobbsee> load: grab source, apply upstream patch, debuild
[06:52] <load> but with an app like that I wouldn't think that the compiler version would matter much
[06:52] <crimsun> of course it matters
[06:53] <Hobbsee> load: do you have a link to this upstream patch, btw?
[06:53] <load> yeah, hang on
[06:53] <crimsun> it's a KDE app, which means it's a C++ app, so what was said prior applies
[06:55] <nixternal> how come my kasablanc doesn't show up in katapult?
[06:55] <load> I see
[06:55] <load> I'm digging through my history for that patch, give me a minute
[06:56] <Hobbsee> load: cool, thanks :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> load: you're on dapper, arent you?
[06:58] <load>  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120117
[06:58] <load> hobbsee: no
[06:59] <load> patch is attached at the bottom
[06:59] <load> I have no idea if it will work as I have yet to rebuild it
[07:00] <jonathan_> Hey, when I log off kubuntu the gui goes away. What causes this?
[07:00] <load> jonathan_: you mean X goes away and you're back at a shell?
[07:00] <jonathan_> yes
[07:01] <Hobbsee> load: if you could check that, it'd be great
[07:01] <load> I would guess you're using the stock kde login manager? kdm
[07:01] <jonathan_> yeah
[07:01] <load> hobbsee: yeah, if I can get it rebuilt ok I'll let you know what happens
[07:02] <Hobbsee> load: for some reason, i cant reproduce that - but i've seen plenty of bug reports on it...
[07:02] <jonathan_> Its dapper if that helps any.
[07:02] <load> Hobbsee: what video drivers are you using?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> load: not sure, it's an intel integrated card
[07:03] <load> ok, never mind
[07:04] <jonathan_> any ideas on the shell thing?
[07:05] <load> crimsun: are there any ubuntu specific docs on (re)building packages?
[07:05] <crimsun> load: no, but there's a packaging guide
[07:06] <load> jonathan_: check /var/log/Xorg.log or Xorg.0.log and see what it has to say
[07:07] <load> you can also run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart   and see what happens
[07:10] <load> Hobbsee: yeah, I dunno whats up with launchpad, I was just on it a few minutes ago and now it won't load
[07:10] <Hobbsee> load: ah, it's back :)
[07:11] <crimsun> it's probably a bad sign that my productivity is tied to lp.net being reachable
[07:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe.  well, if you're bug killing, that is where the bugs are..
[07:12] <glick> wish someone would kill the bug thats preventing my firewire drive from working :P
[07:13] <load> Hobbsee: to answer your question, I don't think so.  I read someone using the new dapper liveCD and it still crashes
[07:14] <Hobbsee> load: the patch isnt applied yet :P
[07:14] <Hobbsee> sure wish you'd come in a few days ago and said that though.
[07:15] <load> ahh, ok
[07:15] <load> Hobbsee: why's that?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> load: well, the closer we get to release, the harder it is to get patches in.  besides that, by now this patch couldnt make it onto the latest cd
[07:15] <nixternal> Hobbsee: which patch are you referring to?
[07:16] <nixternal> im running dapper rc and kopete 12.1
[07:16] <nixternal> .12 beta 1
[07:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/37657
[07:16] <nixternal> roger that
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ah, this is kopete 0.11
[07:16] <glick> Hobbsee, are you a developer?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> glick: i'm told that i am - but i cant code terribly much yet.
[07:16] <nixternal> thats a breezy bug
[07:17] <load> I think I read that the patch has been applied to the CVS
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: so it's not applying to dapper at all now?  seems that people in that bug report say otherwise.
[07:17] <glick> Hobbsee, have you guys been getting alot of complaints or are you aware of alot of people having problem with external firewire harddrives?
[07:17] <load> what version does dapper use?
[07:17] <glick> hehe complaints = bug reports
[07:18] <Hobbsee> glick: check malone - i dont work with firewire hard drives...
[07:18] <Hobbsee> load: kopete 0.11
[07:18] <glick> Hobbsee, whos maline>
[07:18] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i just upgraded from .11 just because...i having been using .11 for 2 months now..no problems what so ever
[07:18] <glick> whos malone?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> 0.11.1, to be exact
[07:18] <load> then yeah, it'll affect dapper
[07:18] <Hobbsee> glick: launchpad.net
[07:18] <Hobbsee> !bug
[07:18] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:18] <nixternal> whatever is int he repositories..i was using
[07:18] <nixternal> i know it is .11 for sure
[07:18] <glick> i had the same problem when breezy first came out
[07:19] <nixternal> i grabbed the .deb .12 beta 1 yesterday and upgraded...
[07:19] <glick> and the same problem when hoary first came out
[07:19] <glick> which means in the future i best wait a few months before upgrading to the latest release
[07:20] <nixternal> hmmm...my only problem with kopete was the documented yahoo connection issue..which i fixed by porting my .11.1 .la and .so files for the yahoo plugin over to 12.1 to make it work
[07:21] <nixternal> who in here can make a good hackergotchie? cuz i sook at it
[07:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'd imagine that 0.12 will be in edgy pretty soon  :)
[07:21] <nixternal> i can't believe there isn't a .12 beta 2 one...
[07:21] <nixternal> let alone .12 beta 1
[07:22] <nixternal> i so got to get back into coding
[07:22] <Hobbsee> what, in dapper?
[07:22] <load> nixternal: you're using the Debian package, not the Ubuntu?
[07:22] <nixternal> yes the debian package
[07:22] <nixternal> or was there a dapper package?
[07:23] <nixternal> im sorry..it is the ubuntu dapper release
[07:23] <load> nixternal: I was just wondering if you mix in Debian packages often and how it works out for you.
[07:23] <glick> i dont understand how my drive worked perfectly on the rc1 liveCD but when i clicked intall, it ceased working
[07:23] <load> oh ok
[07:23] <nixternal> load: i do it quite a bit and have very rarely ran into a problem
[07:23] <glick> what kernel version is on the rc 1 cd?
[07:24] <nixternal> 2.6.15-23
[07:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: .12 never made it into dapper, and wont
[07:24] <nixternal> truthfully...i don't see any differences
[07:24] <glick> nixternal, hmm thats hella strange
[07:24] <nixternal> and i heard that there is a new kopete in the works anyways
[07:25] <load> nixternal: what do you mean by "new"
[07:25] <nixternal> glick: whats strange?
[07:25] <glick> nixternal, that my firewire drive is detected and automounted fine when im running of the liveCD
[07:25] <nixternal> someone told me to wait on getting into themeing on kopete for an entirely new version...just yesterday
[07:26] <ridius> Anybody in here pretty good with KDE?
[07:26] <ridius> I've got a wierd resolution problem I can't fix.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ridius: define "weird resolution problem"
[07:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, that is about it..same here though
[07:26] <nixternal> although i gotta say, every theme for kopete so far stinks
[07:26] <ridius> My graphics card in my laptop can run at 1400x1050
[07:26] <Hobbsee> i rather like efficient :)
[07:27] <load> I've never used kopete, I didn't like it when it came out, but gaim is pissing me off, so I figured I'd try it out
[07:27] <nixternal> that is what i use
[07:27] <nixternal> i like it too...
[07:27] <nixternal> to an extent
[07:27] <ridius> I used 855resolution to modify the BIOs to support that resolution and X recognizes it
[07:27] <ridius> The problem is that KDE still looks like it's running at a lower resolution
[07:27] <ridius> For example, my K/Start menu takes up half the screen when I open it
[07:27] <nixternal> back in the day... i used to run a setup called ..::minima::..  <-- just like that...it was great...i have always tried to get back to it, but havn't been able to
[07:28] <nixternal> me new favorite program has got to be yakuake though
[07:28] <ridius> Any idea's?
[07:28] <nixternal> i can't get enough of it..i love terminal..and just hittin' f12 to bring it down, do what i gotta do, adn f12 it back up is awesome
[07:28] <nixternal> ridius: what is your issue...sorry didn't see you sneak in..i was in the zone
[07:29] <ridius> :D
[07:29] <ridius> I got my video card to support 1400x1050 (through 855resolution), X automatically detected that resolution, but KDE still looks like 1024x768
[07:29] <ridius> When I open the K/Start menu, it takes up half the screen (vertically, not horizontally)
[07:29] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:30] <nixternal> you got the correct monitor selected?
[07:30] <ridius> I only have one... the LCD attached to my laptop
[07:30] <nixternal> it has 1400x1050 available?
[07:30] <nixternal> and it just wont' run it?
[07:30] <ridius> Yep, and 1280x1024
[07:31] <ridius> Well, KDE says it's running it, but it looks like 1024x768
[07:31] <ridius> Almost like it's zoomed in or something
[07:31] <load> nixternal: When I started using Linux I didin'tt X
[07:31] <load> oops
[07:31] <nixternal> me either load
[07:31] <nixternal> lol
[07:31] <glick> damn that makes no sense
[07:31] <pervez> i am trying to install sun-java5-jdk, but i get the following error : sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented
[07:31] <nixternal> ridius: have you taken a look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to see what it has for resolution?
[07:31] <ridius> Yep, but I'll double check again
[07:31] <pervez> and it stops with sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented
[07:32] <load> I used naim for the longest time even after I started using KDE
[07:32] <pervez> whta's the problem
[07:32] <nixternal> what laptop is it ridius?
[07:32] <load> damn bluetooth keyboard is pissing me off
[07:32] <ridius> Dell Lattitude D610
[07:32] <ridius> I only have 1 screen section
[07:32] <ridius> And all the color depths have 1400x1050 listed as the only resolution
[07:33] <pervez> now i cant install any software because apt-get asks me to first use apt-get -f install and that command gives me the error which i just mentioned
[07:33] <ridius> Should I try a different default color depth?
[07:33] <pervez> anybody knows about this issue?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> pervez: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[07:33] <Hobbsee> does it give a different error message?
[07:33] <nixternal> ridius: here you go > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/i915Driver
[07:34] <nixternal> that is how you get your resolution fixed
[07:34] <nixternal> same laptop as yours
[07:34] <nixternal> i know it says breezy up top...but the tester stated he used that work around for dapper
[07:34] <ridius> That's cool, I'm using Breezy anyway
[07:35] <nixternal> there you go
[07:35] <pervez> i am using sudo
[07:35] <ridius> Well, if you don't here from me again, it's because it worked!
[07:35] <ridius> Thanks guys!
[07:35] <nixternal> by the way...i hate you cuz your resolution is so high on your laptop ;)
[07:35] <ridius> :D
[07:35] <nixternal> hehe
[07:35] <nixternal> come back ridius
[07:35] <nixternal> you are always welcome
[07:35] <ridius> If it makes you feel better, it's not my Laptop... work assigned
[07:35] <MasterEvilAce> <-- 1600x1200 for teh win
[07:35] <ridius> But IT let me dual boot
[07:35] <nixternal> a little better..but still
[07:35] <MasterEvilAce> Dell inspiron
[07:35] <nixternal> hehe
[07:36] <nixternal> i seen the most beautiful laptop display tonight at compusa...on a new toshiba...it is the bomb
[07:37] <glick> hmm
[07:37] <glick> i guess it must have updated to a version of hal that is broken
[07:38] <pervez> if i use sudo apt-get install dun-java5-jdk errors are:
[07:38] <pervez> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[07:38] <pervez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:38] <pervez>   sun-java5-demo: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-06-1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:38] <pervez>   sun-java5-jdk: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-06-1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:38] <pervez> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[07:38] <nixternal> http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=336277&pfp=BROWSE
[07:39] <nixternal> that is it there
[07:41] <Hobbsee> pervez: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[07:46] <EvilIdler> Morning, all
[07:46] <Bilford> mourning
[07:47] <EvilIdler> My java package is "sun-j2re1.5"
[07:47] <MasterEvilAce> it's actually night here
[07:47] <MasterEvilAce> but hey
[07:48] <EvilIdler> Panang curried chicken for breakfast. Yum.
[07:48] <|klavier|> Hallo.
[07:51] <EvilIdler> pervez: Any luck getting it installed?
[07:52] <ridius> Ok, I'm back. Still didn't work
[07:53] <ridius> I even went in to check Peripherals -> Display: it says 1400x1050
[07:53] <ridius> But icons and windows are HUGE!
[07:53] <ridius> Let me see if I can get a screenshot
[07:55] <pervez> i actually had to use dpk-reconfigure debconf
[07:55] <pervez> and choose low
[07:55] <ridius> So I grab a screenshot, and it says 1400x1050
[07:55] <pervez> so that liscence could be displayed
[07:55] <ridius> KDS just doesn't look it
[07:56] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[07:56] <MasterEvilAce> ridius did you mess with any theme settings or anything?
[07:56] <ridius> I mean, my Konversation window take up almost my whole screen and I only have 22 lines of chat!
[07:56] <ridius> I tried using different themes, same result
[07:56] <ridius> I reset them back to default
[07:56] <MasterEvilAce> wait hmm
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> i remember having a weird thing back in the not kubuntu days
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> i had two settings to mess with
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> one was the resolution of the monitor.. and the other was the resolution of the desktop or something
[07:57] <ridius> Ohhhh, where do I find the desktop resolution?!?!?!?
[07:58] <MasterEvilAce> atleast i think that's how it was.. i jsut remember having some weirdness and mass confusion because of that
[08:00] <EvilIdler> Virtual resolution, perhaps?
[08:00] <ridius> Cool, where do I find that setting>
[08:00] <ridius> * setting?
[08:02] <MasterEvilAce> i'm so confused right now because maybe it was SUSE, or Fedora.. but i had something like two control panels.. Kcontrol, and some other one. and one had a setting to tell my monitor what resolution it runs at (1600x1200 is native) and what my desktop res should run at or something (i tried 1280x1024, before going to 1600x1200) i just had weird problems with all of that
[08:02] <MasterEvilAce> The only similar things i see in kubuntu, is in the display tab there's size & orientation, and then under hardware you set the monitor size
[08:02] <MasterEvilAce> or something ?
[08:03] <ridius> I went to Peripherals -> Display and it's set to 1400x1040
[08:03] <ridius> Any other idea's?
[08:03] <ridius> * ideas?
[08:03] <MasterEvilAce> under the hardware tab, what is monitor 1 set as?
[08:04] <ridius> What hardware tab?
[08:04] <MasterEvilAce> do you use kubuntu or gnome
[08:04] <MasterEvilAce>  ieman
[08:04] <ridius> In Kcontrol?
[08:04] <MasterEvilAce> kde or gnome / kubuntu or ubuntu whatever
[08:05] <ridius> Let's backstep 1. What program do you want me to run?
[08:05] <MasterEvilAce> in kcontrol -> display, i see the same thing as if i went to system settings -> display
[08:06] <ridius> Ok
[08:06] <MasterEvilAce> i have a hardware tab , power saving, color & gamma and size,orientation tabs
[08:06] <ridius> So I have "Settings for screen:"
[08:06] <ridius> Screen1 is the only thing available
[08:06] <ridius> Screen size: 1400x1050
[08:06] <ridius> Refresh rate 60Hz
[08:06] <MasterEvilAce> under size, orientation?
[08:07] <ridius> Orientation is normal (everything else is greyed out)
[08:07] <MasterEvilAce> you don't see any tabs at the top of that though?
[08:10] <ridius> For those that want to see my crazy issue, check out this image: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hugedesk4ug.png
[08:11] <EvilIdler> That's a large font.
[08:11] <ridius> That's a large EVERYTHING for 1400x1050
[08:11] <EvilIdler> I can barely read my 1600x1200 desktop with default settings :)
[08:12] <ridius> I can't figure out how to fix this.
[08:12] <MasterEvilAce> holy cow
[08:12] <MasterEvilAce> the drop down button is like 4x the size of the close button
[08:13] <ridius> Anybody have any idea's?
[08:13] <ridius> *ideas
[08:13] <EvilIdler> That desktop is disproportionate like a Disney character :/
[08:14] <MasterEvilAce`LT> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9608/snapshot43uz.png
[08:14] <MasterEvilAce> can you find any setting like that anywhere ?
[08:14] <_nano_> did you adjust the font settings?
[08:15] <MasterEvilAce> or if you can look at your xorg.conf because that's where that stuff gets saved
[08:15] <MasterEvilAce> maybe it IS just your font setting actually
[08:16] <EvilIdler> Are all types of fonts actually installed?
[08:16] <EvilIdler> Both 75 and 100dpi, that is
[08:16] <ridius> Oh yeah. I did the default "install everything" install
[08:17] <EvilIdler> I've had occasional failed upgrades ending in packages saying they were installed, but not a single file being anywhere.
[08:17] <ridius> 75dpi and 100dpi are installed
[08:17] <ridius> I can reinstall them
[08:17] <_nano_> MasterEvilAce: Go to systemsettings-->appearance -->fonts
[08:17] <MasterEvilAce> ok, i'm there
[08:17] <ridius> MasterEvilAce: sorry, can't find a tab like that
[08:17] <MasterEvilAce> everything is set to size 9
[08:17] <_nano_> type of font? dejavu?
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> yup (i'm not the one with the prob though)
[08:18] <_nano_> oh
[08:18] <_nano_> oops :P
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[08:18] <ridius> Just changed all fonts to size 9
[08:18] <ridius> Fonts went down, window size the same
[08:18] <ridius> Well I got to go to bed
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[08:18] <ridius> I'll try again tomorrow
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> ok
[08:18] <_nano_> k
[08:18] <ridius> Thanks guys
[08:18] <_nano_> best of luck
[08:19] <_nano_> MasterEvilAce: lol I'm sorry :)
[08:19] <MasterEvilAce> lol it's okay
[08:30] <word> Hey uh...the how to configure logitech mice ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=configuring+logitech+mice ) worked when i had breezy but now with dapper it doesn't. :-/ Is there any reason for that?
[08:34] <rosemary> evening all - can anyone please tell me the command for installing programmes using cli
[08:35] <Hobbsee> rosemary: sudo apt-get install programname
[08:36] <rosemary> Hobbsee: thanks I had the words in wrong order :-) no wonder it wouldn't work
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:41] <snalluru> !factoid
[08:41] <ubotu> A list of all my factoids can be found at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au
[08:49] <rosemary> does kubuntu have thunderbird 1.5
[08:49] <nixternal> i will check
[08:49] <nixternal> i don't have it installed
[08:49] <crimsun> dapper has 1.5.0.2
[08:49] <nixternal> yup
[08:50] <nixternal> sure does ;)
[08:50] <rosemary> is dapper unstable?
[08:50] <hastesaver> !info mozilla-thunderbird dapper
[08:50] <nixternal> kmail all the way
[08:50] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: 1.5.0.2-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 10024 kB, Installed size: 28600 kB
[08:50] <EvilIdler> 1.0.8 on Breezy
[08:50] <hastesaver> rosemary, no, it's very stable
[08:50] <rosemary> yes just installed 1.9.8 on breezy - how stable is dapper now?
[08:50] <EvilIdler> Speak for yourself - Dapper won't boot for me ;)
[08:50] <nixternal> firefox is slow enough...i don't need another mozilla product muckin' up my system
[08:51] <word> dappers fine for me I had to use the alternate install though
[08:51] <rosemary> okay might down;load dapper and give it a try then - only have very small hard drive on this PC 3.2G until can get new hard drive in - will that be enough for a trial install?
[08:51] <EvilIdler> My problem is the udev/kernel/update-initramfs bug
[08:51] <nixternal> i am just lucky i think...because i have yet to severly break it
[08:51] <nixternal> YET
[08:52] <word> Is there another tutorial to configure mice besides - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471 because that seems to not work with dapper
[08:52] <hastesaver> !mouse ?
[08:52] <ubotu> [mouse]  Enabling extra buttons  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=evdev Installing extra cursor themes can be done easily with gcursor
[08:53] <word> thanks
[08:56] <rosemary> okay off to download dapper - bye
[09:00] <NewToKubuntu> how do i do a fresh reinstall of KDE or change all the settings to default settings ? is there a command for it or a guide ?
[09:01] <uniq> newtokubuntu: you can delete the settings directory in your home directory. ~/.kde
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> ohh okay :)  ill do that then
[09:02] <hastesaver> NewToKubuntu, have you changed any system-wide settings or only your own user's?
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> thanks uniq
[09:02] <uniq> newtokubuntu: or move it, like 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-bak'
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> i changed some boot settings
[09:02] <Hobbsee> probably safer to move it, in case you want to move it back
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> hmm okay ill move it to desktop i guess
[09:02] <uniq> newtokubuntu: i'd suggest moving it first. to see if it does what you want, then deleting the moved directory when you've made sure it's what you want to do.
[09:03] <uniq> newtokubuntu: exactly.
[09:03] <NewToKubuntu> okay thanks guyz :D
[09:22] <NewToKubuntu> the default settings are back but my problem is still there... when i click on the konquere or any folder it give me the following error KDEInit could not launch kfmclient. Could not find kfmclient executable.
[09:22] <NewToKubuntu> even aafter the default are back it is still there
[09:32] <word> Is kdevelop a good development enviorment or is there something better?
[09:32] <uscg_corey> gosh, anyone else know why xchat doesnt show icon in my system panel?
[09:32] <riri> no much better on kde
[09:33] <riri> if you like "basic" you can have a look to "gambas"
[09:33] <riri> a real visual one
[09:33] <riri> gambas.sourceforge.net
[09:34] <riri> word : it depends too if you are for a text one or a visual one...
[09:34] <word> visual
[09:34] <uscg_corey> anyone know why xchat isnt showing any icons in panel?
[09:35] <nixternal> mine didn't show up either uscg_corey
[09:35] <nixternal> i had to manually add it
[09:35] <uscg_corey> ?
[09:35] <riri> hi nixt
[09:35] <uscg_corey> like, its there, but no icon is showing up
[09:35] <nixternal> but i know longer use xchat...i switched over to konversation
[09:35] <uscg_corey> i can hover over it and it shows xchat
[09:35] <riri> not yet in beb ? lol
[09:35] <uscg_corey> its just not showing an icon
[09:35] <nixternal> ya...you will run into a couple of those programs that are there..just not showing
[09:35] <riri> i use "kopete irc
[09:35] <word> I'll take a look at gambas. Thanks riri
[09:35] <nixternal> oh
[09:35] <nixternal> ok...hmmm
[09:36] <riri> my pleasure
[09:36] <nixternal> it lost it's icon link
[09:36] <nixternal> hey riri
[09:36] <uscg_corey> idk why, the icon path is right
[09:36] <riri> we are few to use scim or skim
[09:36] <nixternal> if you edit the menu...and select icon...you see the xchat icon in menu edit?
[09:36] <riri> and have problem with chinese pictogramms
[09:36] <riri> about displaying ?
[09:37] <riri> dapper doesn't display chinese well...
[09:37] <uscg_corey> nixternal, what do you mean edit the menu?
[09:38] <riri> but is it a problem of dapper or kde3.5.2
[09:38] <nixternal> right click the kde icon on the docker....and select edit menu
[09:38] <uscg_corey> its in the panel not a menu
[09:38] <nixternal> riri...have you used it in kde 3.5.2 prior to kubuntu?
[09:39] <uscg_corey> if i right click on the xchat location in panel and go to systray settings the icon path is valid..
[09:39] <nixternal> you know the kde k and gears you click to show the menu???  right click it
[09:39] <uscg_corey> but yes the xchat icon is showing in the menu
[09:39] <uscg_corey> but thats a different icon
[09:39] <nixternal> did you install an icon theme?
[09:40] <uscg_corey> no the SystrayPlugin came with all the icons
[09:40] <nixternal> ok
[09:40] <uscg_corey> and its pointed correctly in systray settings
[09:40] <uscg_corey> i dont get why its not working
[09:40] <nixternal> but it is showing a different icon...and not the Xchat one
[09:40] <uscg_corey> unless i have to restart xchat, which i dont think would fix it
[09:40] <uscg_corey> the panel isnt showing anything
[09:40] <uscg_corey> its just a blank space
[09:41] <nixternal> restarting xserver would be the only thing to change it..restarting xchat won't fix it
[09:41] <uscg_corey> and if i hover over blank space it says  xchat
[09:41] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:41] <nixternal> so when you added the app it just put a blank icon there
[09:41] <nixternal> now that is a new one...
[09:41] <uscg_corey> let me restart xchat
[09:41] <uscg_corey> it might need it to add the icon
[09:41] <uscg_corey> it might add icon at startup of xchat, idk
[09:41] <nixternal> xwindows manybe
[09:41] <uscg_corey> ill do both brb
[09:41] <nixternal> but still...k
[09:44] <uscg_corey> ugh
[09:44] <uscg_corey> still doing it
[09:44] <nixternal> remove and try to re-add it back
[09:44] <uscg_corey> their site is down
[09:44] <nixternal> all you did was right click the kicker...add application > internet > xchat correct?
[09:44] <uscg_corey> maybe ill try the xtray plugin
[09:45] <uscg_corey> no
[09:45] <uscg_corey> the plugin adds it to panel
[09:45] <nixternal> ahh...
[09:45] <nixternal> where can i get the systray plugin?
[09:45] <uscg_corey> well
[09:46] <uscg_corey> www.blight.tk is the site listed
[09:46] <uscg_corey> but its down...
[09:46] <uscg_corey> so idk how i got it
[09:46] <word> 'qt meta object compiler' is that libqt?
[09:47] <uscg_corey> egh xtray is windows only
[09:47] <uscg_corey> er wait maybe not
[09:48] <nixternal> see with konversation...you select in the config to have it in the systray...guess you can't do that with xchat...needs to be hacked
[09:48] <uscg_corey> well there is an option to show it in tray
[09:49] <word> checking for QT meta-object compiler - what is that?
[09:49] <word> what package*
[09:49] <nixternal> where you stationed?
[09:49] <uscg_corey> me?
[09:49] <nixternal> ya
[09:49] <uscg_corey> galveston island texas
[09:49] <nixternal> nice
[09:49] <nixternal> usn here
[09:49] <nixternal> im out now though
[09:49] <uscg_corey> i not in service though
[09:50] <uscg_corey> im citizen staffed
[09:50] <nixternal> cool
[09:50] <nixternal> coast guard = crazy
[09:50] <nixternal> them guys are nuts
[09:50] <nixternal> i got to do drug ops with them off of cuba
[09:50] <nixternal> fun stuff
[09:50] <uscg_corey> mhm
[09:50] <uscg_corey> man why wont this work >:{
[09:50] <nixternal> there approach is a little bit different
[09:51] <nixternal> im at http://www.patriziobassi.it/blight
[09:51] <nixternal> that is where i found it at
[09:52] <nixternal> http://www.patriziobassi.it/blight/index.php?s=87acae91e2ebc90c26bb79ca3ccf8997&act=Systray
[09:52] <nixternal> that might help
[09:52] <uscg_corey> it looks like itll be real nice when i can get it to work
[09:52] <uscg_corey> it has different icons for events
[09:53] <nixternal> ya i seen that
[09:53] <uscg_corey> oh shit
[09:53] <uscg_corey> i see one problem
[09:53] <nixternal> they got some other plugins too that look nice
[09:53] <nixternal> and the problem is?
[09:54] <uscg_corey> well apparently all 3 folders of icons belong to the plugin
[09:54] <uscg_corey> and i only copied 1
[09:54] <nixternal`zzz> ahhh
[09:54] <nixternal`zzz> is it working now?
[09:55] <uscg_corey> lemme look
[09:56] <nixternal`zzz> ..
[09:56] <uscg_corey> hrmm
[09:56] <uscg_corey> the menu now has the icons
[09:56] <uscg_corey> now
[09:57] <uscg_corey> didnt know it had icons :P
[09:57] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[09:57] <uscg_corey> maybe i have to restart X to get the tray to work
[09:57] <nixternal`zzz> or restart the plugin itself
[09:57] <uscg_corey> or maybe just xchat
[09:57] <uscg_corey> brb
[09:57] <word> checking for QT meta-object compiler - what package is that?
[09:58] <uscg_corey> woot!
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> survey says
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> hahaha good job man
[09:58] <uscg_corey> it works now
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> now i can goto sleep and not worry if uscg_corey got his icons to work
[09:58] <uscg_corey> i dont know why the stupid plugin doesnt know the correct path to the icons
[09:58] <uscg_corey> this plugins pretty neat
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> yell at the programmer for that one
[09:58] <uscg_corey> hey say my name in like 5 seconds, i wanna test something
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> k
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey: wo0t
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[09:59] <uscg_corey> wtf!
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uh oh
[09:59] <uscg_corey> 5 seconds try again
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> k
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> what happened there?
[10:00] <word> he exited
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[10:00] <word> i don't think that was part of his plan lol
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> my eyes are half shut
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> hahahaha
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> me either
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> wrong button
[10:00] <word> probably :P
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> ya..that x means close
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> ;D
[10:00] <uscg_corey> whoops
[10:00] <uscg_corey> apparently i cant click X
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> hahahaha
[10:00] <uscg_corey> ok say my name in 5seconds
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> we called it word
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[10:01] <uscg_corey> hrm
[10:01] <uscg_corey> not working
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> what is it supposed to do?
[10:01] <uscg_corey> i thought it was spose to change tray icon when my name was said
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> when xchat is minimized?
[10:01] <word> nixternal`zzz: we should be detectives :P
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> hahah right
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> i said that the x means close
[10:02] <piotrek> macd, hi i'm back :)
[10:02] <uscg_corey> change the icon
[10:02] <word> checking for QT meta-object compiler - what package is that?
[10:02] <uscg_corey> it has an icon for when someone says your name
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> !qt meta-object compiler
[10:02] <uscg_corey> say my name again in 5sec
[10:02] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nixternal`zzz
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[10:02] <word> lol try
[10:02] <word> !moc
[10:02] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, word
[10:02] <word> lol
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> hahaha
[10:02] <uscg_corey> grr
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> i still never seen anyone juggle geese
[10:02] <word> !qtmoc
[10:02] <ubotu> word: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:03] <word> !qt
[10:03] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[10:03] <word> woot
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> haha
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> alrighty...it is off to bed for me...TOMORROW IS THE INDY 500
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> w00t
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> nite everyone
[10:04] <word> lol g'nite
[10:04] <jon_> Can anyone help me figure out why the kubuntu installer could see my wireless NIC, but when I got Kubuntu loaded, it doesn't see it?  (And how can I find it?)
[10:04] <uscg_corey> !wifi
[10:04] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:16] <word> !kbuild
[10:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, word
[10:17] <word> meh i'm spelling it wrong ...kbuildsycoa...how's that supposed to be spelled?
[10:17] <uscg_corey> anyone use network-manager ?
[10:19] <word> kbuildsycoca that's it
[10:23] <MasterEvilAce> last night a DJ saved my life with a song
[10:31] <skuttler> does kubuntu support WPA-PSK out of the box?
[10:35] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:35] <cfraz89> hi
[10:38] <crimsun> skuttler: theoretically dapper does, but it's dependent on wifi chipset (hardware)
[10:38] <skuttler> i use ipw2200 - just wondered if there is a gui that supports the configuration or do i have to configure wpa_supplicant again
[10:39] <crimsun> there's a gui, yes, but I'm horrible with package names. ipw2200 driver is solid and supports wpa OOTB.
[10:39] <jsgotangco> n-m?
[10:39] <crimsun> I think kubuntu has wlassistant or something
[10:39] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:40] <skuttler> i will check that out, thanks crimsun
[10:40] <crimsun> I'm a stalwart wpasupplicant user, so I'm not terribly familiar with the gui tools
[10:40] <jsgotangco> Wireless Lan Manager under Internet
[10:40] <jsgotangco> im in kubuntu atm
[10:40] <skuttler> is it good jsgotangco
[10:40] <jsgotangco> it works for me, not as shiny as n-m but its good
[10:41] <skuttler> jsgotangco: does it support WPA-PSK
[10:41] <jsgotangco> try running wlassistant
[10:41] <crimsun> skuttler: that's a kernel driver issue more than a program issue, and the kernel supports it just fine.
[10:42] <crimsun> believe me, I'm using an ipw2195abg as I type.
[10:42] <jsgotangco> skuttler: it only shows wep mode on my side
[10:42] <skuttler> i know it is supported 100% with the kernel module, but would like a nice KDE APP to support the configuration of it
[10:42] <jsgotangco> (but it probably detected my router from the start) i dunno
[10:42] <_esben> If you have hidden the tray icon for katapult... how do you get it back?
[10:44] <jon_> Hrmm... followed all the ndiswrapper instructions... got all the messages it said I was supposed to get, but the card still doesn't show under kwifimanager, or iwconfig
[10:44] <skuttler> reading the website, wlassistent, doesn't yet support WPA :(
[10:46] <crimsun> well, there's always wpagui
[10:46] <crimsun> probably not as intuitive
[11:31] <Bilford> ok, Im on a fresh new install of the latest build
[11:31] <cfraz89> has anyone run an upgrade today?
[11:31] <cfraz89> on my other computer it gets to setting up wvdial
[11:31] <cfraz89> then freezes the computer
[11:31] <cfraz89> and then grub is trashed
[11:36] <trip> i'm upgrading right now
[11:37] <trip> i'm not seeing any packages that would hose the system though
[11:37] <cfraz89> i didnt think wvdial would hose it
[11:37] <trip> but i'm using dapper
[11:37] <cfraz89> i thought at first that my computer had died
[11:37] <cfraz89> same
[11:37] <trip> I upgraded wvdial on friday i believe
[11:38] <Bilford> can someone paste a line I posted earlier with IPV6
[11:38] <trip> i think at one point i was forced to do a pkg -a --configure
[11:38] <trip> dpkg*
[11:38] <cfraz89> yeah
[11:38] <cfraz89> i ran a dist-upgrade this morning
[11:38] <cfraz89> came home, computer was off
[11:38] <cfraz89> so rerean the upgrade
[11:39] <cfraz89> it froze on wvdial
[11:39] <cfraz89> wierd, i thought
[11:39] <cfraz89> then grub froze every time
[11:39] <uniq> bilford: this: 05:51 <   Bilford> add  KDE_NO_IPV6=true   to   /etc/environment   to remove the Konqueror page load delay
[11:39] <cfraz89> so i reinstalled grub from boot cd
[11:39] <Bilford> uniq: thanks!
[11:39] <cfraz89> and then it happened every time i did dpkg- --configure -a
[11:40] <uniq> cfraz89: what if you remove wvdial completely, and reinstall it?
[11:40] <ninHer> hi all
[11:40] <trip> Well maybe you should remove the package
[11:40] <cfraz89> uniq, i wont try it now
[11:40] <cfraz89> i removed wvdial though
[11:40] <cfraz89> purged dpkg, removed wvdial
[11:40] <ninHer> or purge it better
[11:40] <cfraz89> then upgrade is ok
[11:41] <cfraz89> that computer has been so unstable since i put kubuntu on it
[11:41] <cfraz89> dont know why
[11:41] <_nano_> cfraz89: unstable as in?
[11:42] <cfraz89> freezes often enough
[11:42] <cfraz89> or the mouse starts moving as if the framerate is really low
[11:42] <_nano_> cfraz89: wats your config?
[11:42] <cfraz89> dapper
[11:42] <_nano_> cfraz89: i meant the hardware
[11:42] <cfraz89> 1 ghz duron
[11:42] <cfraz89> 256 ram
[11:42] <cfraz89> gf440 mx vcard
[11:43] <cfraz89> ac97 sound
[11:43] <_nano_> cfraz89: what's the output of fdisk -l
[11:43] <cfraz89> ill check
[11:43] <_nano_> k
[11:43] <ninHer> just a bit low or ram....isn't it ?
[11:43] <cfraz89> it is
[11:43] <cfraz89> im using xfce on it
[11:44] <_nano_> cfraz89: could you pastebin that please?
[11:44] <cfraz89> ok
[11:44] <ninHer> well, may be not so low, then
[11:44] <_nano_> ninHer: i am wondering if swap is enabled
[11:45] <ninHer> do you mean working when required ?
[11:45] <Ademan> in KDevelop are there macros in the header file templates?
[11:45] <_nano_> ninHer: yeah
[11:47] <_nano_> Ademan: #kdevelop?
[11:47] <Ademan> its dead in there :-/
[11:47] <_nano_> Ademan:  :P
[11:47] <cfraz89> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742532
[11:47] <cfraz89> thanks
[11:48] <cfraz89> cant use that computer anymore, brother is on it
[11:48] <_nano_> rofl
[11:49] <_nano_> tell him if he works on that computer he's gonna lose all his work :P
[11:49] <cfraz89> lol
[11:49] <cfraz89> i got the fdisk stuff though, not sure if it helps
[11:49] <ninHer> ...or something similar
[11:49] <_nano_> pastebin it
[11:49] <ninHer> :-)
[11:49] <cfraz89> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742532
[11:49] <ninHer> yes
[11:50] <Ademan> everything in KDE seems to put a comma where there's a tab (like at the beggining of the tab)
[11:50] <ninHer> oughh, adept running....too slow for pastebin
[11:50] <ninHer> ;-)
[11:51] <_nano_> !adept
[11:51] <ubotu> adept is, like, totally, a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:51] <nico8481> hi
[11:51] <_nano_> i still use synaptic
[11:51] <_nano_> nico8481: hi
[11:51] <ninHer> i dont like it
[11:52] <ninHer> even i would prefer kpackage
[11:52] <_nano_> ninHer: i'm kinda used to it thats why
[11:52] <ninHer> nice
[11:53] <stlack> please, the 'alternate' version isn't bootable?
[11:54] <Ademan> uhm, are there supposed to be "commas" wherever theres a whitespace character?
[11:54] <ninHer> i think fdisk is normal
[11:55] <cfraz89> Ademan: the text editors put upside down l's where tabs are
[11:55] <cfraz89> thanks ninHer
[11:55] <_nano_> ninHer: yeah
[11:55] <_nano_> ninHer: would have to check the output of free command
[11:55] <ninHer> _nano_: what do you think ?
[11:55] <Ademan> cfraz89: can i disable that?
[11:55] <Bilford> the StartUp sound reminds me of The Prisoner
[11:55] <Bilford> good morning, good morning
[11:56] <ninHer> good day Bilford
[11:56] <cfraz89> Ademan: yes
[11:56] <cfraz89> in kwrite at least, go to configure editor
[11:56] <cfraz89> then go to editing
[11:57] <cfraz89> then untick show tabulators
[11:57] <Ademan> thanks so much
[11:57] <Ademan> that fixed it
[11:57] <Ademan> it was bothering me
[11:57] <_nano_> hehe
[11:57] <cfraz89> lol
[11:57] <cfraz89> its nearly the same in kate too
[11:58] <cfraz89> np
[11:58] <Ademan> it was actually KDevelop, but yeah, it was nearly the same
[11:58] <_nano_> advantages of integration :D
[11:58] <cfraz89> ah
[12:10] <_nano_> can i make konversation use [nick]  instead of <nick> while showing messages?
[12:14] <Bilford> I dont knw
[12:26] <_nano_> anyone uses Konversation? i have a stupid question
[12:26] <_nano_> how do you change channel events color? i hate the pink color :|
[12:27] <treakath> hey everyone
[12:28] <Hobbsee> _nano_: settings, configure konversation
[12:28] <_nano_> Hobbsee: I'm there
[12:28] <_nano_> Hobbsee: and hi
[12:28] <Hobbsee> _nano_: colours
[12:29] <treakath> hey
[12:29] <_nano_> Hobbsee: channel message color? but it's set to black :-S why am I seeing pink :-S
[12:30] <Hobbsee> _nano_: i have no idea...i thought it was server colour or something
[12:30] <_nano_> k
[12:33] <fek> moin
[12:33] <_nano_> Hobbsee: got it! it was the "command message" color :|
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:39] <Bilford> the Konsole looks nice maximized with no menus or anything, with a transparent background
[12:46] <_nano_> Bilford: share a screenshot :D
[12:47] <Bilford> ok
[12:51] <Bilford> www.pov.cc/snapshot1.png
[12:53] <ccc_> Bilford: ever tried yakuake?
[12:53] <Bilford> no
[12:53] <RogueJediX> Bilford: You should. It's really convenient.
[12:53] <Bilford> what is it
[12:54] <RogueJediX> Bilford: It's a console emulator that drops down like a Quake console
[12:54] <Bilford> how do I get amaroK to play mp3 again
[12:54] <ccc_> a terminal emulator which scrolls down when you press f12 (or any other button you prefer). has tabs too.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> !mp3
[12:54] <ubotu> [mp3]  a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:54] <Bilford> Ive already read that page
[12:54] <Bilford> the  libxine-extracodecs doesnt work
[12:54] <ccc_> give it a shot, best program ever :)
[12:55] <Bilford> yakuake
[12:55] <Bilford> when I do:  file:///home/bilford/snapshot1.png
[12:55] <Bilford> oops
[12:55] <Lynoure> ccc_: what happens if you want to have like 5? Do they all drop wen you press f12 or can you configure different keys for each?
[12:55] <Bilford> when I do:  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:56] <Bilford> I get:   Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:56] <Bilford> and a few other lines of info
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Bilford: enable multiverse
[12:56] <Bilford> I did
[12:57] <Hobbsee> odd
[12:57] <Bilford> all mine are au
[12:57] <Bilford> should I add some us.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Bilford: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin please
[12:57] <Bilford> ok
[12:57] <Bilford> it's all au.
[12:57] <ccc_> Lynoure: i don't think you can run multiple, but since it has tabs it's no loss. or you can just have yakuake it for the one you use most.
[12:58] <ccc_> -it
[12:58] <Bilford> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/742592
[12:58] <Lynoure> ccc_ for many things tabs are not handy (e.g. for having reference in another terminal and code in another)
[12:58] <ccc_> Lynoure: true
[12:59] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[12:59] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Bilford: swap your repos with what's in there.
[12:59] <Lynoure> or irssi in one and work in another =)
[12:59] <Bilford> ok ty
[12:59] <Hobbsee> or just add multiverse at the end of where it says "universe"
[12:59] <Bilford> did you look at my source
[12:59] <Bilford> it says multiverse after it already
[01:00] <Bilford> but I'll change source lists
[01:00] <Bilford> oh, add multiverse after every single universe
[01:00] <Bilford> ok
[01:04] <ccc_> Lynoure: apparently that's being planned for future versions
[01:04] <Bilford> Hobbsee: that worked, ty
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Bilford: not a problem :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Bilford: yeah, i looked at your sources, and saw that yours was the most common problem.  there are only 3 common problems with sources lists.
[01:07] <_nano_> ccc_: yakuake is cool!
[01:07] <_nano_> ccc_: thanks for sharing
[01:08] <ccc_> yea, i couldn't live without it :)
[01:11] <Bilford> ok, yakauake running
[01:11] <Bilford> nice
[01:24] <dusty_> Hey guys I have just upgraded from 5 to 6 and when i login to x it gives me a crapp 800x600 resolution I was using 1600x1280 (how come its changed it? the config file xorg.conf has atyed the same), i tried loggin in going to system  settings but it wont let me change it there either the max in there is 1024 x 768 any ideas?
[01:24] <klerfayt> dusty_: look into /var/log/xorg.log
[01:25] <klerfayt> dusty_: */var/log/Xorg.0.log*
[01:27] <dusty_> hrm nothing of any use in there?
[01:27] <dusty_> want me to paste bin them?
[01:28] <klerfayt> dusty_: why not
[01:29] <dusty_> what do you mean?
[01:29] <klerfayt> dusty_: paste bin
[01:29] <dusty_> ok
[01:31] <pgquiles> what version of gcc is dapper compiled with?
[01:31] <Bilford> I just noticed in amaroK, the wolf icon fills up as it plays
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> pgquile 4.0.3
[01:33] <_nano_> pgquiles: gcc --version
[01:34] <dusty_> klerfayt, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YzGj2N86.html
[01:34] <DaveQB> would there be any reason an NFS mount has these options (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,soft,addr=10.1.1.1) where as fstab has these: rsize=8192,wsize=8192,soft,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid,user 0 0
[01:34] <DaveQB> the exec part is what I am mainly concerned with
[01:35] <klerfayt> dusty_: look at line 359
[01:35] <pgquiles> h3sp4wn including the kernel? (in breezy everything but the kernel was built with gcc4)
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> pggquiles: yes (I think they used the pre release version of gcc 4 for breezy)
[01:36] <klerfayt> dusty_: oops ignore my last message and look at line 407 instead
[01:36] <dusty_> that doesnt matter klerfayt
[01:37] <dusty_> what i did with 5.0 was configured it to 1400x1050 in the install then edited the configuration (put monitors h sync and v sync in) then added the correct modes lines and startx'ed and i had 1600x1280 working nicley
[01:37] <dusty_> with 70hz refresh rate
[01:38] <klerfayt> dusty_: you can try to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in konsole then
[01:38] <dusty_> ok
[01:39] <MaiPenRai> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:40] <MaiPenRai> Can someone help me fix Adept? I keep getting ^ that error message.
[01:40] <dusty_> right ima logout of X klerfayt and do it in console, bbiab. wish me luck :)
[01:44] <serenity> hi
[01:47] <Lynoure> hi serenity
[01:47] <billups> i cant change the resolution on my monitor. it's a new monitor but i cannot change the resolution
[01:48] <apokryphos> !resolution
[01:48] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:53] <serenity> i trief dapper flight 7 a week ago, but this version doesn't support my wlan-card. Will this be fixes in the final?
[01:53] <Lynoure> serenity: pretty impossible ffor anyone to tell without knowing what wlan card that is...
[01:54] <serenity> d-link airPlus DWL-520+
[01:54] <serenity> it's a knwon bug in bugzilla, but there is only a workaround, no real solution
[02:00] <billups> i tried everything to change resolution but it didnt change...my video card is Nvidia Geforce 6600 and monitor is Samsung Synmatser793DF
[02:01] <McNutella> morning folks
[02:01] <McNutella> how do I turn off the firewall please ?
[02:06] <Riddell> McNutella: there is no firewall in kubuntu unless you install one
[02:07] <Riddell> serenity: unlikely to be changed, but do report a bug
[02:09] <Sweet_kate> hello
[02:12] <ridius> Hello all!
[02:12] <Lynoure> Is there any way to change font/colour of DVD subtitles in kaffeine?
[02:13] <Lynoure> For some reason they have recently been yellow and jagged on my computer...
[02:14] <klerfayt> Lynoure: settings>xine engine parameters
[02:15] <klerfayt> Lynoure: ui>expert options
[02:17] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Thanks, I'll go and try :)
[02:18] <tchize> Hello everyone
[02:18] <tchize> i just dozmnloaded dapper drake desktop
[02:18] <dergringo> congrats :D
[02:19] <_nano_> lol
[02:19] <tchize> at startup i get a menu telling launch or install kubuntu
[02:19] <Bilford> you do?
[02:19] <tchize> how do i start the install process ???
[02:19] <Bilford> load the Live version
[02:19] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Does it only take effect on restart of kaffeine, or something? Changing and applying didn't change :/
[02:19] <Bilford> theres an icon on the desktop to Install
[02:19] <tchize> have no desktop
[02:19] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I don't know
[02:19] <Bilford> RUN IT
[02:19] <Bilford> Run the LIVE CD
[02:20] <tchize> i get a message telling me kdesktop crashed at kde staart of live
[02:20] <tchize> so no desktop
[02:20] <tchize> am currently chatting from the live
[02:20] <Bilford> how
[02:20] <Bilford> what do you mean you ahve no desktop
[02:21] <tchize> i have only a blue background and the kde taskbar
[02:21] <tchize> i mean kde tray
[02:21] <Bilford> did you try rebooting
[02:21] <ridius> Any KDE experts in the house?
[02:21] <ridius> I have a wierd resolution issue I need help with
[02:22] <_nano_> ridius: elaborate?
[02:22] <tchize> how can it change anything kdesktop crashed at startup
[02:22] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Couldn't get the change to happen even then :/
[02:22] <Bilford> ...
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> tchize: Can you click the k menu and use run ?
[02:22] <ridius> Well, X recognizes 1400x1050 resolution, but KDE is gigantic
[02:22] <tchize> nom run does not workm but i can use the kde menu
[02:23] <_nano_> ridius: screenshot?
[02:23] <ridius> http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hugedesk4ug.png for a pic
[02:23] <Bilford> you make no sense
[02:23] <_nano_> ridius: it's most probably dpi issue
[02:23] <Bilford> Id go back to Windows
[02:23] <ridius> Cool, how do I fix that?
[02:23] <cfraz89> ridius: yeah dpi
[02:24] <cfraz89> make a file called .Xresources in your home
[02:24] <cfraz89> and then paste this in:
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> tchize: open a terminal
[02:24] <tchize> yes
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> tchize: open konsole
[02:24] <_nano_> cfraz89: but that would only affect one user
[02:24] <tchize> opened
[02:24] <cfraz89> Xft.dpi:120
[02:24] <Bilford> alt+f2
[02:24] <_nano_> cfraz89: it's better to edit the kdmrc file
[02:24] <cfraz89> oh ok
[02:24] <_nano_> ridius: what's your monitor size?
[02:24] <cfraz89> it sounds like the displaysize isnt being detected properly
[02:25] <ridius> It's a 17" LCD - Laptop
[02:25] <ridius> Dell Lattitude D610
[02:25] <_nano_> ridius:do you know the aspect ratio? is it widescreen?
[02:25] <_nano_> ridius: xga or wxga?
[02:25] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Especially if you use dapper, could you see if you can get any of the subtitle related changes to take effect? I could then figure out whether to report a bug or not.
[02:25] <ridius> I'm pretty sure it's wxga
[02:25] <tchize> my konsole is opened h3sp4wn, now what?
[02:25] <ridius> I know for a fact it supports 1400x1050 (I was using that res on Ubuntu)
[02:25] <_nano_> ridius: is it possible for you to find out your screen dimensions?
[02:26] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I think that maybe it doesn't change cause it uses kde color theme
[02:26] <ridius> I could do that, give me a minute
[02:26] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I think that maybe it doesn't change cause it uses kde color theme
[02:26] <_nano_> ridius: k
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> tchize: session - > new root shell
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> tchize: then run ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:28] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~# ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:28] <tchize> -su: ubiquity-frontend-kde: command not found
[02:28] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Nowhere I have yellow in the theme... and mine thinks it uses white-black transparent when it clearly uses yellow-black transparent
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> tchize: It that does not work run aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:28] <klerfayt> Lynoure: kaffeine uses white font here
[02:28] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Tried changing the font size too, that wouldn't take effect either...
[02:28] <ridius> _nano_: Height:8.4 inches Width:11.3 inches Diagonal:14.1 inches
[02:29] <ridius> It's SXGA+
[02:29] <tchize> h3sp4wn you can run apt-get install in live cds ??
[02:29] <_nano_> ridius: what resolution are you working on kde currently?
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> tchzie: It uses unionfs so yes (unless you have an extremely low amount of ram)
[02:30] <tchize> done
[02:30] <tchize> it still say
[02:30] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~# ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:30] <tchize> -su: ubiquity-frontend-kde: command not found
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> tchzie: try running just ubiquity
[02:30] <Lynoure> klerfayt: mine did too, earlier, don't know what changed it.
[02:31] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~# ubiquity
[02:31] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~#
[02:31] <tchize> but nothing happens
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> run sudo ubiquity from the non root terminal
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> kdesu ubiquity sorry
[02:32] <klerfayt> Lynoure: take a look into /home/kristjan/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/
[02:32] <tchize> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ kdesu ubiquity
[02:32] <tchize> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[02:32] <tchize>   Major opcode:  144
[02:33] <tchize>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:33] <tchize>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:33] <tchize> Failed to open device
[02:33] <tchize> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[02:33] <tchize>   Major opcode:  144
[02:33] <tchize>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:33] <tchize>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:33] <tchize> Failed to open device
[02:33] <tchize> qre those messages importants?
[02:33] <Lynoure> klerfayt: No /home/kristjan on my computer :)
[02:33] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I know...
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> tchize: Install from the alternate cd there is a very low chance I/you will be able to do anything about that
[02:34] <Lynoure> But I would assume that it should make the changes take effect at some point, somehow...
[02:34] <Spaceraver> hey guys... after an update.. the laptop fails to respond to reboot... it hangs at deactivating swap... and hdd led is on all the time... any suggestions??
[02:34] <tchize> well the installer seems to run :/
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> tchize: I thought it had crashed ?
[02:34] <tchize> it dropped those messages and ran anyway :/
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> tchize: May as well just try it then
[02:35] <dusty_> Hey guys im running the latest firefox with kubuntu 6 and when I view texts on sites etc i have to highlight the text to read it because its invisible otherwise, anyone know how to fix this, its extremely annoying?
[02:37] <Lynoure> klerfayt: It claims to use ui.osd.text_palette:white-none-transparent
[02:37] <Lynoure> klerfayt: in xine-config, that is. But does not.
[02:38] <Lynoure> oh well, maybe I'll let this simmer for a day or two
[02:38] <klerfayt> Lynoure: create bug report then
[02:39] <Lynoure> klerfayt: I will, if I don't come up with anything radical by Tuesday or so :)
[02:39] <jeroenvrp> anyone else has problems using guidance's userconfig? It's not creating the home-directory
[02:39] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Thank you :)
[02:40] <dusty_> Anyone?
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> tchize: If your computer or video card is overclocked than you can expect random crashes (due to running buses at non standard multiples)
[02:41] <leon_> mama
[02:43] <tchize> this video card is quite old, at a time manufacturer were not overclocking them :)
[02:44] <tchize> mm no option for reiserfs install? is it because of live cd, or is the oem installer also not allowing reiserfs anymore?
[02:53] <Bilford> whats Propietary Software
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> tchize, i would ber supprised if it allowed reiserfs installs
[02:55] <tchize> Well, i prefer reiser performances on ext3 ones :)
[02:55] <klerfayt> tchize: text mode installation allows to use reiserfs
 thanks for info :)
[03:00] <uwo> konqueror plugins problem: on a site with embedded SMIL stream (realplayer) firefox embeds real player and plays w/o problems, while konqueror crashes. Firefox seems to have one additional plugin installed (mplayer-plugin), which i can't get konqueror to load (scan for plugins -> nothing, not even kmplayer plugin). Any suggestions, except for using firefox - i prefer konq.
[03:19] <uwo> try again: konqueror plugins problem: on a site with embedded SMIL stream (realplayer) firefox embeds real player and plays w/o problems, while konqueror crashes. Firefox seems to have one additional plugin installed (mplayer-plugin), which i can't get konqueror to load (scan for plugins -> nothing, not even also installed kmplayer plugin). Any suggestions (except for using firefox - i prefer konq)?
[03:24] <goldenear> uwo: I just send a patch yesterday about that problem
[03:24] <uwo> goldenear: what is a patch?
[03:25] <goldenear> uwo: the problem is about wrong file / mimetype association in konqueror
[03:25] <goldenear> you can fix it by hand: go to konq/configuration
[03:25] <Abo> is it possible to attach files to the pastebin.com?
[03:26] <goldenear> the in the "tab" file" associaction check for application/x-mplayer2
[03:26] <goldenear> an in the embedded section, place kmplayer on top
[03:27] <goldenear> uwo: could you give me the url where I could check your problem ?
[03:29] <uwo> goldenear: tried that already - the url is http://www.rtvslo.si/modload.php?&c_mod=rnews - red tab on top "avdio/video" - opens new window - then i get warning "smil support rudimentary, kaffeine part will play... yes/no" in both cases crash
[03:30] <gil> hey can someone help me with kpowersave
[03:30] <gil> ?
[03:30] <gil> i am having some problems....
[03:32] <tchize> re
[03:32] <goldenear> uwo: very strange indeed
[03:32] <tchize> seems installation went ok
[03:32] <tchize>  :)
[03:32] <tchize> thanks to all
[03:33] <uwo> goldenear: does it work for you?
[03:33] <goldenear> uwo: I'me going to try to fix it
[03:33] <goldenear> nop
[03:33] <goldenear> :(
[03:33] <goldenear> gil: what king of problem do you have with kpowersave ?
[03:33] <tchize> one little last question, how do i lise users in login screen? It seems the connection handler -> show user list box isn't taken into account by login manager
[03:34] <gil> goldenear: i cant seem to get suspend mode to work ok...it goes into suspend but it does not go out....
[03:34] <gil> it goes out of it...but not the display....just gives me blank screen
[03:34] <uwo> goldenear: i tried the SMIL file associations too... no luck - but about:plugins shows differnet plugins installed in firefox and konqueror.. don't know if it is that - this site is quite important for me, so it is a hassle switching to firefox all the time
[03:37] <goldenear> uwo: yes I have the same problem here ... changing type association do nothing... kaffeine always take the hand :/ I'm investigating
[03:37] <gil> so any idea on the kpwoersave problem i am having?
[03:38] <goldenear> gil: I have the same problem here: I think the problem is the somethink make the computer hang when the computer "wakes up"
[03:38] <gil> so what is the solution
[03:40] <tchize> ok bye all
[03:40] <Bilford> how do you configure Kate so it doesnt show the sidebar or documents bar on the left side every time you open it
[03:41] <Bilford> it's annoying
[03:45] <goldenear> gil: report a bug about it
[03:46] <Bilford> I doubt it's a bug
[03:46] <Bilford> I just dont know how to fix it
[03:47] <Bilford> oh, sorry
[03:49] <gil> no its not a but
[03:49] <klerfayt_> Bilford: try kwrite
[03:49] <gil> *bug
[03:49] <gil> i had it working before
[03:49] <gil> it used to work
[03:49] <klerfayt_> Bilford: it has more simple interface
[03:49] <sheldonc> gil: some comps have issues with suspend.. at least a buddy of mine had the same deal
[03:49] <gil> now kpowersave....freezes my display
[03:49] <gil> yes i gathered so
[03:50] <gil> but i am surprised it used to work when i used breezy
[03:50] <gil> now in dapper
[03:50] <gil> no go!
[03:50] <Bilford> klerfayt_: ok ty
[03:51] <goldenear> gil: try to see if it's not a kernel module that doesn't like acpi
[03:51] <ridius> Any KDE guru's in here? I've got a wierd resolution problem... still
[03:51] <apokryphos> !helpme
[03:51] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[03:51] <ridius> X is configured to run at 1400x1050 but KDE windows/icons are still huge
[03:51] <crazy_penguin> hi!
[03:51] <ridius> ;p
[03:52] <ridius> Here's a screenshot of what I'm talking about: http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hugedesk28kv.png
[03:52] <klerfayt_> ridius: menu>system settings>display
[03:53] <gil> ok i will look
[03:53] <ridius> 1400x1050
[03:56] <klerfayt_> ridius: what font size are you using?
[03:56] <klerfayt_> ridius: and what icons are too large in your oppinion?
[03:57] <ridius> Everything is too large
[03:57] <ridius> Font size are all 10
[03:57] <ridius> Windows are too large, text is too large, and icons are too large
[03:57] <ridius> The screen looks like I'm running at 1280x1024
[03:57] <klerfayt_> ridius: make fonts smaller; icons in panel get smaller if you make panel smaller
[03:58] <ridius> What about my windows
[03:58] <ridius> I have Konverastion almost full screen and I only have 27 lines of history
[03:58] <sheldonc> just change your text size
[03:58] <klerfayt_> ridius: try with smaller fonts, e.g. 8
[04:01] <ridius> Did
[04:01] <ridius> * done
[04:01] <ridius> Didn't change my window sizes
[04:01] <ridius> Only the text in the menu and title bar
[04:01] <dews> i can change the audio driver?
[04:01] <klerfayt_> ridius: window can be resized
[04:02] <dews> there are some driver for a sound blaster live 1024!
[04:02] <dews> ?
[04:04] <EvilIdler> dews: Yes.
[04:04] <Bilford> Dapper is going to be released June 1
[04:04] <Bilford> no delay
[04:05] <dews> Evill.: and where i can find this driver?
[04:05] <ridius> Well, the smaller fonts is a little better
[04:06] <EvilIdler> dews: It should be in your default installation. It's called 'emu10k1'.
[04:06] <ridius> I guess I can live with it
[04:06] <ridius> I would really like to fix the real problem with it though
[04:06] <dews> because i can't listen the rear channel
[04:07] <muromec> join #ubuntu-translators-ru
[04:07] <dews> thanks evill
[04:07] <klerfayt_> ridius: but it is 1400x1050
[04:08] <klerfayt_> ridius: that's how large is the screenshot of your desktop: 1400pixelsx1050pixels
[04:08] <ridius> I know that. But if I run the same resolution in Gnome, I don't have to tweak the fonts to get it to look like 1400x1050
[04:09] <dusty_> Hey guys does kubuntu use any kernel hardening/protection stuff like selinux (talking about dapper now)?
[04:09] <ridius> Matter of fact, I changed the resolution to 1280x1024 and there was no change
[04:10] <klerfayt_> ridius: like it or not but you resolution was 1400x1050 in that screenshot
[04:10] <Bilford> KWrite is good
[04:10] <Bilford> Loads nice and fast
[04:11] <ridius> So basically what you're telling me is that it doesn't matter what my resolution is, it's going to look the same?.
[04:11] <Paradosso> #ubuntu-translators-it
[04:11] <EvilIdler> dusty_: Seardch the repository for 'selinux', and you'll find packages for the utilities
[04:12] <dusty_> EvilIdler, is selinux enabled by default?
[04:12] <EvilIdler> dusty_: Not active by default, though
[04:12] <klerfayt_> ridius: I don't understand you
[04:12] <ridius> I just thought that changing from 1280x1024 to 1400x1050 would cause everything on my desktop to get smaller. I didn't realize I'd have to go in and manually change everything
[04:13] <ridius> Here's an example
[04:13] <ridius> I changed my font to 8 point font
[04:13] <ridius> And right now it looks like it's at 12 point font
[04:13] <klerfayt_> ridius: what's the dpi of your fonts?
[04:13] <EvilIdler> I'm using 12-14 point fonts, and they look smaller :)
[04:13] <ridius> Not sure, how do I check?
[04:15] <dusty_> EvilIdler, there must be some other kinda protection on it
[04:15] <harryamd> hi
[04:15] <harryamd> i'm new user of kubuntu
[04:15] <EvilIdler> dusty_: I dunno much about it
[04:15] <harryamd> can some1 help with mount my windows partitions in linux ??
[04:15] <EvilIdler> dusty_: You could try asking about it in #ubuntu
[04:16] <harryamd> ok i'll try
[04:21] <jarlath> Hi folks. I'm going to buy a laptop soon. Can some of you reccomend one that you know works well with kubuntu? Any advice at all is appreciated :)
[04:21] <_nano_> harryamd: http://www.krazypenguin.net/Ubuntu_Dapper_Drake_6.06_Guide
[04:21] <harryamd> nano thanks a lot ;)
[04:22] <_nano_> jarlath: the laptop should definitely not have broadcom wireless card :D
[04:22] <_nano_> harryamd: np
[04:24] <sikor_sxe> i updated to kubuntu dapper from breezy (and kept it up to date), and since then i had this k-menu kubuntu bar graphic glitch. i thought this is due to the beta status of kubuntu, but on recent screenshots the k-menu sidebar looks alright
[04:24] <sikor_sxe> anyone got an idea how to fix this?
[04:25] <jarlath> _nano_ thanks!
[04:26] <jarlath> Is the Centrino Duo chip any good? I see it in a lot of laptops now.
[04:26] <Bilford> I think I'll only use 1 desktop.  Is that unusual
[04:26] <penguin42> jarlath: Duo is nice
[04:27] <penguin42> Is this the right place to ask about koffice (on kubuntu) problems - or is there a more koffice specific channel?
[04:27] <jarlath> penguin42 thanks, Ill put that in my ingredients list :)
[04:27] <jarlath> penguin42, only one way to find out!
[04:27] <sheldonc> i believe there is a #koffice channel
[04:28] <sheldonc> but it may be more dev-related
[04:28] <Bilford> or #KDE
[04:28] <sheldonc> there is BILLIONS of kde channels on freenode
[04:28] <sheldonc> is/are/whatever
[04:28] <Bilford> is our children learning
[04:28] <sheldonc> haha
[04:28] <penguin42> sheldonc: Nod, its a matter of finding the most relevant one!
[04:29] <Bilford> whats the question
[04:30] <penguin42> ok - I have an opendocument presentation written on OOo and kpresenter makes a real mess of opening it - now I don't know if it is an OOo or a kpresenter/kofice problem
[04:31] <Bilford> probably neither
[04:31] <sheldonc> opendocument format?
[04:31] <penguin42> its an .odp file
[04:31] <Bilford> if it's written in OOo, you should  probably just use OOo for it
[04:32] <penguin42> I mean koffice has a go at opening it - a few warnings and something with a vague similarity to what the document shoudl look like
[04:32] <litb> why kubuntu doesn't accept my default router?
[04:32] <penguin42> Bilford: Yeh well I can - but surely there is a point to this OpenDocument stuff
[04:32] <litb> i set it hundred and thousends of times in systemsettings / networksettings
[04:33] <litb> and press apply and when i check with "route" there isn'T changed anything !
[04:33] <JavaGeek> mmm... there's no azureus package for ubuntu
[04:34] <penguin42> litb: Is this for ether?
[04:34] <penguin42> JavaGeek: Yes there is, it is in universe
[04:34] <jarlath> If I get a Mac Notebook, what difference does that make to my kubuntu installation? Are the same repositories available, and is the software as polished?
[04:34] <sheldonc> whats wrong with KTorrent or whatever
[04:34] <Bilford> what version of KOffice do you have
[04:34] <litb> penguin42: yes
[04:35] <litb> 172.20.0.1, qemu
[04:35] <litb> it's the hosts tap0
[04:35] <penguin42> Bilford: This happens both on the dapper version and on the 151 kubuntu packages versions
[04:35] <sheldonc> jarlath: we talking those intel jobs?
[04:35] <penguin42> (although the 151 is better)
[04:35] <penguin42> litp: Ah, hmm not sure how taps work with that gui
[04:36] <litb> nope, i do'T want to config taps
[04:36] <litb> i only want to set the default gw
[04:36] <h3sp4wn> Does anyone have the issue of the machine locking up intermittantly (on shutdown or reboot) with fglrx on dapper (using kdm)
[04:36] <jarlath> sheldonc, actually, I forgot about that. I dont really know, but I'l like to buy an apple laptop. They seems pretty reliable.
[04:36] <Bilford> http://www.koffice.org/filters/1.5/
[04:36] <Bilford> KOffice Filters Status
[04:37] <penguin42> jarlath: You might like to check if kubuntu works on one - they aren't like normal x86s
[04:37] <penguin42> Bilford: Hmm, so it has a pretty high star rating for kpresenter - which makes me think they would expect it to mostl ywork
[04:37] <sheldonc> jarlath: well, if its an older one, we're talking different instruction set entirely. but apple laptop, wouldnt you get annoyed that the touchpad only has one button? :)
[04:37] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[04:37] <sheldonc> or did they finally change that
[04:38] <RadiantFire> no, I think the laptop is still like their silly little mouse with 1 click point
[04:38] <RadiantFire> most annoying thing ever
[04:38] <jarlath> sheldonc, yes one button would drive me crazy! Thanks for pointing that out!
[04:38] <RadiantFire> who wants to hit ctrl and click to get a right click
[04:38] <sheldonc> they didnt make a MightyTouchpad yet?
[04:39] <litb> and, in addition, o very slow pcs if u press apply, then the apply button isn't greyed out afterwards.
[04:39] <penguin42> Bilford: OK, I'm going to move this chat to #koffice which seems to exist
[04:40] <Bilford> ok
[04:40] <penguin42> thanks
[04:45] <litb> see, now that i restarted kubuntu, my default router is removed from the routing table
[04:46] <litb> how can i set in kubuntu to store it permanently ?
[04:49] <cow_2001> !offtopic
[04:49] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:50] <dusty_> Hey guys when i upgraded to dapper my sound has gone funny like REAL QUIET, i have to turn it on full blast to hear anything and then its quiet++ anyone know howto fix it?
[04:51] <litb> i think a distrubution where user can't set their default router is quite funny :)
[04:52] <litb> ...but not useful anyway
[04:56] <Hobbsee> dusty_: is the pcm fader up in kmix?
[05:00] <klerfayt_> anyone know if nvidia "supports" the installation of their drivers on the ubuntu?
[05:01] <RadiantFire> litb you can set your default router
[05:01] <litb> RadiantFire: pls tell me
[05:01] <RadiantFire> its under the Routes tab, set the interface and IP you want
[05:02] <RadiantFire> then hit apply
[05:02] <litb> huh, i did that. and after apply, that field is blank again
[05:02] <RadiantFire> are you using dhcp?
[05:02] <litb> no
[05:02] <RadiantFire> are you absolutely sure?
[05:02] <litb> yes, of course
[05:02] <litb> i use kubuntu with qemu
[05:02] <h3sp4wn> litb: set it in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:03] <sheldonc> litb: kubuntu is just repackaged debian, so if there is a way to do it in debian, there's a way to do it in kubuntu
[05:04] <h3sp4wn> litb: to the eth0 section add 'gateway 192.168.1.1' or some such line then sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[05:04] <litb> it just says "bitte warten whrend ihre netzwerkeinstellung gespeichert wird". and atfer that, the apply buton isn't grayed out (huh, that's very strange) and i have to press it again. and after that if i restart systemsettings the field in router is blank again as i said
[05:04] <litb> ah, thxx
[05:05] <sheldonc> please wait while your network settings are beiing saved?
[05:07] <litb> yes
[05:12] <pppoe_dude> how can I print a fit-to-page document? its in A4 and i want to print on letter
[05:15] <litb> hmm, why is the "Update All" button and all the other administrative commands greyed out in adept?
[05:15] <litb> i run it as root by kdesu btw
[05:17] <litb> maybe i will remove the rc and wait for a stable kubuntu...
[05:17] <rigonatti> hi there !!
[05:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all, for the hard drive install can I setup my partitions in advance and does it install grub for dual boot systems
[05:18] <rigonatti> can someone give me a clue installing some app ?
[05:19] <Jack_Sparrow> I just got to this channel, not much activity.  WHich app
[05:19] <Jack_Sparrow> Just trying to install to HD mself
[05:19] <rigonatti> i see...txs jack ..
[05:19] <rigonatti> well ..
[05:19] <rigonatti> in true, im new at Linux, you know...
[05:19] <rigonatti> then ..i get the opera instal from web site ..
[05:20] <rigonatti> and firefox too ..
[05:20] <Jack_Sparrow> I prefer firefox
[05:20] <rigonatti> but FF is a tar.gz file ....and opera a deb..
[05:20] <rigonatti> another app its a rpm ..
[05:20] <sheldonc> rigonatti: start "Adept"
[05:20] <rigonatti> so ..i dont know how to install any of
[05:20] <rigonatti> ok.done.
[05:20] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[05:20] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:21] <rigonatti> so, now ?
[05:21] <litb> is there anything i have to change after enabling my root account ?
[05:22] <sheldonc> rigonatti: then change your repositories to something useful (enable universe, etc, then click apply, there will be a button in there somewhere)
[05:23] <sheldonc> rigonatti: then after that, fetch updates, then you have a whole bunch of software you can install. (okay, i'm not very good at explaining some things :)
[05:23] <Jack_Sparrow> sheldonc:  thanks
[05:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Do you know the answer to my question?
[05:24] <rigonatti> sheldonc...you didnt get it
[05:24] <Jack_Sparrow> For the hard drive install can I setup my partitions in advance and does it install grub for dual boot systems
[05:24] <rigonatti> the app isnt listede at Adept
[05:24] <sheldonc> rigonatti: which app ?
[05:24] <rigonatti> well ..opera isnt there ...synce isnt there ..
[05:24] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: set up your partitions in advance?
[05:24] <Jack_Sparrow> YEs
[05:25] <Jack_Sparrow> what about grub for dual boot
[05:25] <rigonatti> i need another Instantig messagin ...kopete didnt connect ...
[05:25] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: coming from windows ? i guess you have a huge ntfs partition at the moment?
[05:26] <Jack_Sparrow> I have sevveral partitions, including fat32 a linux swap and an ext3
[05:26] <Jack_Sparrow> and yes an ntfs
[05:27] <rigonatti> =(
[05:27] <Jack_Sparrow> I never move to ntfs from linux, always useing fat32
[05:27] <Jack_Sparrow> rigo, I am booting KU on another machine to see if I can install ff
[05:27] <Jack_Sparrow> it will take a minute
[05:28] <sheldonc> rigonatti: the universe repository has gaim, amsn, firefox, etc. i dont know if it has opera or not, but if it doesnt its probably because of a licensing thing
[05:28] <rigonatti> txs jack
[05:28] <sheldonc> opera is the goofiest browser in the world anyhow
[05:28] <Search4Lancer> is there a log where I can see anything done on my computer?
[05:29] <rigonatti> I type "amsn" in Quick filter ...and shows nothing
[05:29] <Jack_Sparrow> np rigonatti
[05:29] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: what the installer did for me was (this isnt the live cd installer, that didnt really work for a friend of mine ) resize my ntfs partition for me and gave me an ext3 and swap
[05:30] <rigonatti> I type "amsn" in Quick filter ...and shows nothing
[05:30] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: it did give me grub and windows was still on the list.
[05:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Cool thanks
[05:31] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: then a little while later i screwed up my install badly, then the installer let me delete the old ext3 and swap and do its thing on the free space
[05:31] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: i dont know if this answers your question or not though
[05:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Good to know I am sure I will crash it
[05:31] <Jack_Sparrow> rigonatti:  I havent forgot you..
[05:31] <rigonatti> o //
[05:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I dont pay MS anything... I make money fixing MS boxes
[05:33] <rigonatti> i got this ...synce*.rpm , and firefox*.tar.gz.  but ?I dont know how to install..
[05:33] <goldenear> It's not because you don't pay them that you don't make them get more money...
[05:33] <rigonatti> then ...the konquer connects to internet ..but kopete didnt find the MSN server ...so I was looking for anothere client...
[05:33] <rigonatti> but ...isnt easy install a app in Kubuntu right ? I mean..linux,
[05:34] <sheldonc> goldenear: so you don't use the msn protocol at all?
[05:34] <goldenear> I prefer jabber
[05:35] <sheldonc> IRC > all but i have a hard time teaching friends to use it
[05:35] <Adam_eM> hi there
[05:36] <Adam_eM> does adept seeks packages in added sources ?
[05:36] <Adam_eM> there's only few packages there
[05:37] <sheldonc> Adam_eM: might have to click apply  after changing the repository list or fetch updates afterwards
[05:37] <rigonatti> Adam :did u pres "fetch updtates"
[05:37] <ubuntu> rig, its Jack on the second pc
[05:37] <goldenear> I just keep using my old msm account (created before jabber was usable) and use it on my jabber/msn gateway to talk to sb on msn... But I just talk to the people on msn to ask them to use jabber instead :)
[05:37] <rigonatti> o.O  whats in going on with my fingers =P
[05:38] <rigonatti> goldenear: your live will be better if Microsoft Fail off ? So ..then you will focus on IBM ?? Novell ? Apple ? bah!
[05:38] <rigonatti> dont mind me ...im just angry ...coz i cant use linux =(
[05:38] <sheldonc> goldenear: whats the difference between using a gateway and just using kopete or amsn?
[05:39] <Adam_eM> i meant the add/remove thing. Can i use it to install new software ? i mean any software, just like in synaptic
[05:39] <goldenear> rigonatti: my life will be better if Microsoft use open standards (and every body else also)
[05:40] <rigonatti> Adam: I have the same question ... I dont know how to install nothing outside de Adept ...a
[05:40] <ubuntu> rigonatti:  did you do the adept update first
[05:40] <ubuntu> I did that and firefox shows up now
[05:41] <rigonatti> goldnear: so... create your own ...then ask to your friend to use your open standard ...then ..create a company ...and still make money ...and drop microsoft of capitalism throne.
[05:41] <Adam_eM> rigonatti: you may install software via synaptic/apt
[05:41] <rigonatti> ubuntu .....you mean "Fetch Updates" ?
[05:41] <rigonatti> Adam_eM:  im a newbie in linux  =/
[05:41] <goldenear> sheldonc: the difference is that I have no contacts on msn. I just use the msn gateway to talk to people that don't have a jabber id yet :)
[05:41] <ubuntu> Look at the adept option in the menu and look down 4 lines
[05:42] <Adam_eM> rigonatti: in adept seek for synaptic and install it
[05:42] <goldenear> sheldonc: do you use amsn ?
[05:42] <ubuntu> kmenu - sysem - system update wizard
[05:42] <ubuntu> only takes a minute to get the list of available files
[05:42] <rigonatti> Safe upgrade and full upgrade ?
[05:43] <sheldonc> goldenear: kopete mostly... im tired of IM though. over 500 contacts, but all the interesting people are on irc anyhow
[05:43] <ubuntu> I cant stal long because the wife wants to take a jacuzzi
[05:43] <ubuntu> rigonatti:  no
[05:43] <ubuntu> one sec
[05:43] <rigonatti> Adam ..the onlue synaptics iss a Synaptcs TouchPad driver =(
[05:43] <goldenear> sheldonc: do you use jabber ?
[05:44] <Adam_eM> rigonatti: the second one
[05:44] <sheldonc> goldenear: nope, never really saw the benefit
[05:44] <ubuntu> rigonatti:  are you in adept or the adept "List" updater?
[05:44] <rigonatti> ubuntu : adept help shows me Adept Manager 1.0
[05:45] <goldenear> sheldonc: the benefit is that it's an open standard (not conforting the power of Micro$oft).
[05:45] <rigonatti> Adam..its just one file to Touch pad..
[05:45] <Adam_eM> can i add a source in synaptic (because it''s easier) and then simply use it in adept, or i have to add it separately
[05:45] <sheldonc> goldenear: but i guess i do have the odd GTalk account, which apparantely uses jabber :/
[05:45] <ubuntu> top of page should read adept updater
[05:45] <ubuntu> top of window
[05:46] <rigonatti> hold a sec
[05:46] <goldenear> sheldonc: yes indeed, GTalk uses jabber... so you have a jabber id :) and anybody with a jabber id can talk to you :D
[05:46] <Adam_eM> rigonatti:  so launch kmenu -> run command and type synaptic
[05:47] <goldenear> sheldonc: that's the benefit IMHO... no monopoly!
[05:47] <ubuntu> I hate to leave without getting you FF but a jacuzzi really sounds good this morning
[05:47] <sheldonc> goldenear: true. clients just need to get better
[05:47] <goldenear> sheldonc: kopete is pretty nice
[05:48] <rigonatti> ubuntu...im in adept updater
[05:48] <sheldonc> goldenear: what client do you use?
[05:48] <goldenear> sheldonc: kopete :)
[05:48] <rigonatti> Adam " coul not run the specified command"
[05:49] <goldenear> sheldonc: and exodus at my work where I unfortunatly have to use windows
[05:49] <sheldonc> goldenear: what about multiuser chats and webcam tho?
[05:50] <rigonatti> please ....con someone help me to install a aplication  =(
[05:50] <goldenear> sheldonc: multiuser chats is great in jabber. webcam/audio support beggin to be supported with "jingle" (a voip technologie for jabber)
[05:50] <rigonatti> isnt Kubuntu to be easy ??
[05:51] <ryan> can anyone lend me some help????
[05:51] <Jack_Sparrow> rigonatti:  we are trying but you need to listen as well
[05:51] <sheldonc> rigonatti: no luck with adept?
[05:51] <rigonatti> ops...
[05:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Did you update your adept list?
[05:51] <rigonatti> well ....the adept updter ..show no updates ... 1276 files avaliable..
[05:51] <Jack_Sparrow> Do that and Firefox will show up
[05:51] <goldenear> ryan: what's your problem ?
[05:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Do you see ff in the list
[05:52] <Jack_Sparrow> It shows up ghere
[05:52] <rigonatti> at Adept List...Quick Filter> type: firefox show me::  Package : mzila-firefox-locale-en-gb Status: installed
[05:52] <ryan> thanks goldenear just got kubuntu on changed from mandriva but when I try to install the kdebase-dev it totally f***s up the system
[05:52] <sheldonc> Jack_Sparrow: he might be using that Add/Remove Files dialog, i have no idea what the hell is in that window (i'd look now but i kind of hosed my desktop)
[05:53] <ryan> i think its a problem with PATHs not being found
[05:53] <goldenear> ryan: what happens exactly when you try to install kdebase-dev ?
[05:54] <Jack_Sparrow> Back after a nice hot jacuzzi
[05:55] <ryan> goldenear: the installtion is successful but when I try to open my files up (ie home) i get an error "The file or folder system:/home.desktop does not exist"
[05:55] <rigonatti> =.
[05:56] <sheldonc> rigonatti: try typing "firefox" in run command
[05:56] <goldenear> ryan: are on on kubuntu dapper ?
[05:56] <rigonatti> sehldcon "could not run the specified command"
[05:56] <CaBlGuY-Sleep> !dapper
[05:56] <ubotu> **** News Flash **** Dapper has its own channel #ubuntu+1 please join there for dapper (the beta of the next release) configuration, install,  or other conversation, dapper will be in #ubuntu starting 1st of june :-) But not until then
[05:57] <goldenear> ryan: are you using breezy or dapper ?
[05:57] <CaBlGuY> dapper is not released yet..
[05:57] <ryan> im not sure really its the latest kubuntu version
[05:58] <rigonatti> ryan...what is your iso file name
[05:58] <CaBlGuY> dapper comes out on the 6th of June..  Breezy is the "latest" until that point..
[05:58] <ryan> kubuntu 5.10
[05:58] <CaBlGuY> yea, thqat's breezy
[05:58] <ryan> pretty sure its breezy
[05:58] <rigonatti> =D
[05:59] <CaBlGuY> few more days..
[05:59] <CaBlGuY> !seen Hobsee
[05:59] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: i haven't seen 'hobsee'
[05:59] <CaBlGuY> :0|
[06:01] <ccc_> CaBlGuY: 1st of june, not 6th.
[06:01] <rigonatti> so....can I give up ? =/
[06:02] <ryan> anyone know why its going wrong then??
[06:02] <goldenear> ryan: try to upgrade to dapper
[06:02] <ryan> its totally knacked everything, all my paths are knacked i think
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> ccc_,  word..   ;)
[06:03] <CaBlGuY> ryan,  "knacked"???
[06:04] <CaBlGuY> rigonatti,  give up for what??
[06:04] <rigonatti> for install
[06:04] <CaBlGuY> instal  for what distro?
[06:05] <rigonatti> im using the kubunt
[06:05] <rigonatti> but dont know how to install app
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> ahhh
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> and I suppose your not usin the kanaptic utility...
[06:05] <rigonatti> i man ..i have a tar.gz packege..a rpm pack
[06:05] <CaBlGuY> what r u tryin to install?
[06:06] <goldenear> ryan: go to kubuntu.org, get the kubuntu dapper RC iso and reinstall your kubuntu. you'll see dapper in better than breezy :D
[06:07] <rigonatti> Synce ...Firefox..
[06:07] <ryan> is there that big a difference between dapper and breezy??????
[06:07] <rigonatti> dapper its gnome ....breezy is kde ?
[06:08] <ccc_> rigonatti: no
[06:08] <ccc_> rigonatti: dapper is version 6.06, breezy is 5.10
[06:08] <tristanmike> rigonatti, no, all releases have a gnome version and a kde version
[06:08] <CaBlGuY> no..   gnome andf K are just apps for the desktop environment..
[06:09] <rigonatti> ok...but please help me to install
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> rigonatti,  u don't have Firefox installed yet?
[06:09] <rigonatti> nope...
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[06:09] <rigonatti> just konqueor
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> do this..
[06:09] <ccc_> ryan: well, 8 months of hard work make a difference :)
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> go to kannaptic..
[06:09] <CaBlGuY> u know where that bis yes?
[06:09] <ryan> dapper is gnome? but then how can it be kubuntu. I thought kubuntu was kde environment????
[06:09] <rigonatti> kannaptc? let me see
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> wait, my bad.. "Synaptic"..
[06:10] <rigonatti> no..where is ?
[06:10] <ccc_> ryan: YES kubuntu is kde ;)
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> under system on the "star" menu..
[06:10] <rigonatti> where can i fine synaptic
[06:10] <rigonatti> find*
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> *"star"
[06:10] <tristanmike> ryan, Dapper uses gnome and Kubuntu Dapper uses kde
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> dammit..  "START"..
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> there..
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> Grrrrrrr
[06:10] <ryan> sweet thanks!!!!
[06:10] <tristanmike> ryan, so it's "Ubuntu Dapper - Gnome" and "Kubuntu Dapper - KDE"
[06:10] <CaBlGuY> find it rigonatti ??
[06:11] <rigonatti> nope =$
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> ok..  what desktop environment u got?
[06:12] <rigonatti> KDE ..
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> O)K..
[06:12] <CaBlGuY> clikc on the little K for the "start" ,menu..
[06:12] <rigonatti> ok
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> then..  you will see syatem... go to that, then click on Package manager, (Synaptic)
[06:13] <CaBlGuY> U will have to put the root pass in to get to it
[06:13] <ryan> thanks tristanmike, ill get kubuntu dapper
[06:13] <tristanmike> ryan, you can have them all installed at the same time
[06:13] <slow-motion> re
[06:13] <chx> I have a suspicion that one of my DVI connectors are dead on the video card. If I use Option "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP-1" then it works , if I use Option "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP-0" then it does not work. Monitors identical and they both work. Card is an nvidia fx5200 with dual dvi connectors. How could I verify that the "1st LCD" connector is indeed dead?
[06:14] <ryan> have them all installed at the same time?
[06:14] <ryan> ??
[06:14] <tristanmike> ryan, you can get the standard Ubuntu release then when it's installed "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and poof you'll have Gnome and KDE
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> rigonatti,  got it ?
[06:15] <ryan> mmm I havent used Gnome for years, I always thought it looked really shabby
[06:15] <tristanmike> ryan, or you can get the Kubuntu release and "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and you will have Ubuntu
[06:15] <ccc_> CaBlGuY: the default package manager in kubuntu is adept, not synaptic.
[06:15] <CaBlGuY> ccc_,  then maybe u should be helpin then..   :-|
[06:16] <tristanmike> ryan, or you can "sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu" and have Gnome/KDE/XFCE and the Educational Ubuntu release all together living in harmony :)
[06:16] <CaBlGuY> rigonatti,  just open the package manager..
[06:16] <ccc_> that was just FYI, no offense :)
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> ccc_,  thanks!  I'll let ya know if I need help in the future pal..  ;)
[06:17] <CaBlGuY> rigonatti,  whats goin on there d00d..   your not sayin much...
[06:18] <ryan> tristanmike, id prefer to keep my *nix install to a minimum, but thanks anyway. Is there somewhere i can see a version history to see the differences in dapper to breezy???
[06:18] <CaBlGuY> and also ccc_  if you know sometihn, and someone needs some help, just start given help.  not "correcting" others..  that what this channel is for..,
[06:19] <CaBlGuY> rigonatti,  ansa me..   talk to me..   ya still there??  :-O
[06:20] <tristanmike> ryan, there are many differences between Breezy and Dapper, but the wiki might be your best bet, check out the Dapper Flights pages to see some of the new things they've been working on
[06:23] <_michal> hey people
[06:24] <_michal> does anybody use video chat on KDE?
[06:24] <sheldonc> _michal: apparantely amsn and kopete can do it
[06:25] <_michal> sheldonc: thx
[06:27] <CaBlGuY> ok im out for a bit..  would someone take the riegns on rigonatti  if he comes back please..
[06:27] <CaBlGuY> *P00F*
[06:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello All
[06:42] <_michal> Yo Jack_Sparrow
[06:43] <nico8481> Jack_Sparrow: cap'tain
[06:43] <_michal> Jack_Sparrow: or should I say ahoy :)
[06:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey _michal
[06:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Yo Ho works for me
[06:43] <BrunoTorres> hello all
[06:44] <Jack_Sparrow> 15 men on Bill Gates's chest yo ho ho and a bottle of rum
[06:44] <Jack_Sparrow> DId rigatoni ever get firefox..
[06:44] <rigonatti> nope
[06:44] <Jack_Sparrow> HEy there..
[06:45] <Jack_Sparrow> how far did you get
[06:45] <rigonatti> i dont know jack.. should my my connection...
[06:45] <rigonatti> i mean:
[06:45] <rigonatti> im using trough a proxy ..the proxy is in a windows machine
[06:45] <rigonatti> konqueor connect ...but others things couldnt
[06:45] <BrunoTorres> my friend rigonatti needs some help configuring a kubuntu machine to access the internet via nat, from a windows box...is it possible? does anyone here know how to do this or can point him some link that explains it?
[06:45] <Jack_Sparrow> shouldnt matter as long as you have internet
[06:46] <Jack_Sparrow> rig do you have internet with Ku os
[06:46] <Jack_Sparrow> IS he running ku in a windows window?
[06:46] <rigonatti> tyep...but just when I set browser to use the proxy
[06:47] <BrunoTorres> no, he doesn't have internet connection with ku...
[06:47] <jarlath> Does anyone know if my laptop could be damaging my dvd drive? Its an old PIII and it gets extremely hot. The discs sometimes come out roasting hot, and after only 5 months, I have to return it.
[06:47] <BrunoTorres> he was connecting via proxy
[06:47] <rigonatti> no..i have two machines: Windows (with proxy)...and Kubunt in my laptop
[06:47] <BrunoTorres> but he configured the proxy only for konqueror
[06:47] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[06:47] <Jack_Sparrow> why not use a router? not trying to be a pain.. just suggesting
[06:48] <BrunoTorres> it'd be nice if he could configure it for the whole system...i suggested him to use NAT, but I don't remember how to do it
[06:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Im not the one for nat either
[06:48] <rigonatti> I know jack ...but look ...if I put a proxy in Widnows machine ...how can i setup for whole system in Kubuntu ?
[06:48] <ubuntu> As an example... I am here
[06:49] <Jack_Sparrow> and I am here
[06:49] <rigonatti> i Mean..thats should why i didnt get the updtaes from Adept
[06:49] <BrunoTorres> Jack_Sparrow: do you know how to make apt connect via proxy? it'd be a solution by now
[06:49] <rigonatti> Bruno: yeah! this shoudl work!
[06:49] <Jack_Sparrow> sorry no, Im too much of a noob for that.
[06:49] <rigonatti> ops...should*
[06:49] <BrunoTorres> Jack_Sparrow: ok, thanks anyway
[06:49] <rigonatti> ubuntu::  do you know ?
[06:49] <Jack_Sparrow> I have two boxes one using xp and the other ku
[06:50] <BrunoTorres> who's the proxy/nat guy here?
[06:50] <rigonatti> how to setup a proxy for the whole system ?
[06:50] <ubuntu> and I can bounce between them with my kvm switch.. argh its fun
[06:50] <ubuntu> have you tried a search for kde proxy config?
[06:51] <rigonatti> yeah....found nothing that helps =(
[06:51] <rigonatti> any clue ?
[06:52] <BrunoTorres> I think the best thing wold be to connect via nat...I remember it was not that hard to do, but I don't remember how
[06:53] <BrunoTorres> ubuntu, do you know how to setup a ku machine to connect via nat from a windows box?
[06:53] <Jack_Sparrow> No
[06:54] <Jack_Sparrow> He has konq working right
[06:56] <rigonatti> jack: Konquer works fine when i put proxy settings..
[06:56] <rigonatti> but Kopete (ie) doesnt
[06:56] <uniq> brunotorres: just set the gateway IP on the kubuntu machine to the IP of the windows machine.
[06:58] <Jack_Sparrow> http://movingparts.net/2005/01/ try this link
[07:00] <belkrem> i have a question is it a bad thing to use debian sid sources in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:00] <EvilIdler> Binaries aren't guaranteed to mix well
[07:01] <Jack_Sparrow> WOuld you put diesel fuel in your corvette?
[07:01] <belkrem> are gauranteed or probably won't work
[07:02] <BrunoTorres> uniq: this didn't work
[07:02] <belkrem> arn't
[07:02] <Jack_Sparrow> BrunoTorres:  did you look at that link'
[07:02] <EvilIdler> They could work, but Ubuntu might have different dependencies, and some may be split into more packages, or merged into fewer
[07:03] <EvilIdler> Building source-package might fail for the same reasons
[07:03] <Thinjon100> Hey, I'm reading the tutorial on Xgl/Compiz in Dapper, there's a line editing the Gnome settings "sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom"  Where is the equivalent settings file for kdm?
[07:03] <EvilIdler> kdesu kate
[07:03] <belkrem> debian is testing a few files like libc6-2.3.6-7. that i need as a dependacy
[07:04] <BrunoTorres> Jack_Sparrow: yes, but it's about a kopete bug...our biggest problem is on apt
[07:04] <Jack_Sparrow> It is about setting up proxy in kde..
[07:04] <Thinjon100> Seems kdesu kate just opens a blank textfile... is it saving to a config file somewhere special?
[07:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Rigs' initial question was about kopete
[07:05] <gil> ok i need some help with k3b?
[07:06] <rigonatti> yep.... in true Jack ...kopete ..and Adep doesnt get a connection ...
[07:06] <rigonatti> Just the konqueor ...
[07:06] <rigonatti> so ..I presume that was bout the proxy config ..
[07:06] <Thinjon100> ok, let me rephrase... what's the equivalent custom-settings file for KDM vs. Gnome's "/etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom" ?
[07:06] <gil> i know this is probably a noob question but what am i supposed to installl to allow k3b to butn mp3 files
[07:06] <gil> *burn
[07:06] <rigonatti> I can set the proxy at Konqueor...but not to whole system you know ?
[07:06] <EvilIdler> Kopete needs to connect to port 5222 on the server for Jabber protocol, 5223 or 5224 if SSL
[07:06] <sredna> Hello
[07:07] <sredna> Doing an upgrade fails today (it's been quite a while since I did that last time)
[07:07] <sredna> First, there was a warning about kaffeine and xine, and now kde-lang-en fails with a comment about debconf
[07:08] <sredna> Any hints?
[07:08] <ubuntu> rigonatti:  did you set the default gateway in system settings
[07:09] <EvilIdler> I can't find any proxy options in Kopete, except for file transfers *on a per-account basis*. I'd file that under design-flaws and look for other methods :/
[07:10] <rigonatti> ubuntu ..yeah ....i put x.x.0.1 that is my NIC in windows
[07:10] <Thinjon100> :(
[07:13] <ubuntu> rigonatti: ask that same question over in the Mepis room.. a guy there has set that up
[07:13] <rigonatti> Mepis room is a channel?
[07:13] <ubuntu> Damn..
[07:14] <ubuntu> yes
[07:14] <ubuntu> join #Mepis
[07:14] <ubuntu> Please dont flame me on that k.
[07:14] <Thinjon100> Hey, I'm reading the tutorial on Xgl/Compiz in Dapper, there's a line editing the Gnome settings "sudo gedit /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom"  What is the equivalent settings file for KDE to add/edit?
[07:14] <ubuntu> THe new Mepis is based on Ubun
[07:15] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: kdesu kate
[07:15] <Thinjon100> All that seems to do is open a blank textfile
[07:16] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: You need to add the path to the file, of course
[07:16] <Thinjon100> I need to know what file I'm supposed to be adding/editing...  that's my question
[07:16] <Thinjon100> I know what file it is for Gnome... I want to know what the equivalent file is in KDE
[07:16] <EvilIdler> Lessee if I can find it
[07:17] <sredna> Sudo kate <file names>
[07:17] <sredna> Thinjon100: ^
[07:17] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[07:17] <sredna> But you can open them now you have an instance owned by root...
[07:17] <Thinjon100> I've tried searching for custom-settings files for KDE to no avail... the tutorial was written for Gnome, though I imagine it should work for both equally
[07:18] <Thinjon100> Thank you, EvilIdler
[07:18] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: Warning - that's a very different config file ;)
[07:19] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: If you're going to add a program to launch along with X on login, there might be better ways to do it
[07:19] <Thinjon100> I'll make sure I back everything up... but heck, what's another reinstall?  I've already attempted 11 installs since yesterday... seems no distro likes my computer without a LOT of editing
[07:19] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: Kubuntu 5.10 was the first one that gave me sound AND graphics at the same time :)
[07:20] <Thinjon100> Well, the tutorial has me adding 4 lines, I /think/ it's creating a new server type using Xgl
[07:21] <Thinjon100> EvilIdler, I had luck with Ubuntu and Kubuntu Dapper (and nothing else I've tried, Breezy, a few FC's, a Gentoo, and a SuSE)... but even they won't work my video initially, and for some reason Ubuntu Dapper setup my wireless card, where Kubuntu didn't *shrug*
[07:22] <Thinjon100> But now I've got Kubuntu running my wireless and my nvidia card... want to see if I can get this Xgl running, and then turn on TwinView... I'm betting I can break my computer again before the end of the day :-P
[07:26] <uwo> any of you play chess over the internet - asking because i would like to know what is a good server...
[07:27] <lwizardl> whats a good newsgroup binaries downloader besides pan? pan seems to crash and close itself to often for me
[07:28] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: I get as far as unpacking the kernel for Dapper :P
[07:28] <Prak> is nixternal here?
[07:29] <Prak> does anyone know how to run the dapper live/install RC version on live?
[07:33] <Prak> does anyone know how to run dapper RC cd on live cd mode?
[07:35] <Thinjon100> Prak: Did you download the liveCD... or the install CD?  I know when I downloaded, there were multiple versions available
[07:35] <Prak> there's only one cd
[07:36] <Prak> downloaded release candidate
[07:36] <EvilIdler> Then there should be an option right at the bootmenu
[07:36] <Thinjon100> and EvilIdler, I took one look at that rc file and ran screaming in terror... no Xgl/Compiz attempt for me today :P  I'll settle with getting Twinview working hehe
[07:37] <Prak> but i don't see it
[07:38] <Prak> i downloaded the alternate cd instead of the desktop cd
[07:38] <Prak> would it make a difference?
[07:38] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: I ran screaming, took off and am now safely orbiting, far away from the rc file :)
[07:39] <EvilIdler> Thinjon100: You should rather start kcontrol and enter the KDM setup there, become admin and add any programs to launch at login. At least I think there is an option there
[07:39] <Thinjon100> Hehehe... apparently someone in the thread had gotten it working on Kubuntu, but no hint there as to what settings file they editted, either
[07:40] <Thinjon100> I'm not sure if it's a program starting so much as re-routing X calls from X11 (or Xfce) to Xgl
[07:40] <EvilIdler> That would probably need some configfile surgery :/
[07:41] <Thinjon100> Yeah... when I feel like completely reinstalling my system again, I might try it
[07:46] <Prak> what's the difference between dapper rc alternate and desktop?
[07:49] <Lorandka> ok, so here's the problem: last time i have messed up xorg.conf, now, when it boots up , the refresh rate is higher than the monitor can support. scrren unusable. i have tried bootin up in that command line mode, and tried editin g xorg.conf. (nano /etc/x11/xorg.conf) but the config file is empty
[07:52] <EvilIdler> Lorandka: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:52] <lithium> hello, anyone knows how to use smime signatures with kmail? i have my key (+cert chain) as a pkcs#12 file and somehow i cant find a way to import this into kmail.
[07:52] <Lorandka> EvilIdler: unknown command
[07:52] <Lorandka> i tried that
[07:53] <Lorandka> brb
[07:53] <EvilIdler> Lorandka: install gkdebconf
[07:56] <dergringo> !repos
[07:56] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[07:58] <piotrek> macd, hi :)
[07:58] <Prak> does anyone know the difference between dapper desktop and alternate?
[08:00] <dergringo> Prak: It is not a question of Dapper. Kubuntu is using the KDE Desktop and Ubuntu is using Gnome
[08:01] <Lorandka> darn
[08:01] <Lorandka> didnt worked
[08:01] <Lorandka> notihng workes
[08:01] <Prak> i mean what's the difference between using the desktop cd and alternate cd?
[08:01] <Lorandka> it was a bad ideea to choose kubuntu
[08:03] <Lorandka> i'm sick of it
[08:03] <lithium> Prak: i'm not sure if i am right, but maybe the desktop cd is the live cd with expresso installer and the alternate cd is the cosole based installer
[08:03] <lithium> Lorandka: why? what does not work?
[08:03] <Prak> ok
[08:03] <Lorandka> cannot edit  the xorg.conf
[08:04] <nico8481> o-oh! captain left the ship!
[08:04] <Prak> maybe that's why i can't run the live cd
[08:04] <lithium> Lorandka: sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:04] <Lorandka> doesn't work
[08:04] <Lorandka> empty buffer
[08:04] <Lorandka> i have booted up in recovery mode
[08:05] <Lorandka> when i install someting..always the same damn problem...refresh rate
[08:05] <Lorandka> darn tired of reinstalling the whole thing everyday
[08:06] <nico8481> Lorandka: xorg.conf should not be empty... did you use a big X in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? because you wrote "/etc/x11/xorg.conf"
[08:06] <Lorandka> no i haven't used the big fucin X ....
[08:06] <Lorandka> X-(
[08:07] <nico8481> so go do it :)
[08:07] <Lorandka> darn
[08:07] <Lorandka> brb
[08:07] <Lorandka> hopefully when i join the chat again later, i will do it from kde
[08:07] <Lorandka> brb
[08:17] <uscg_corey> anyone know default evolution source location?
[08:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi all, just got Ku installed and even used adept to install firefox.. nice job..
[08:45] <Jack_Sparrow> It seems quiet
[08:56] <DrNickRiviera> how do i "uninstall" a program that i've compiled myself and is in /usr/local
[08:56] <XVampireX> Hi
[08:56] <DrNickRiviera> do i just delete the folder?
[08:58] <XVampireX> I was here at a friends place today, we were trying to make an internet connection working (we were on windows, and it worked there).... Can anyone please take their time and help a friend of mine?
[09:02] <ubuntu_> hi
[09:03] <visikLive> why on the ubiquity intaller there isn't reiserfs ?
[09:03] <visikLive> I'm very disappointed about this
[09:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey all, anyone know how to change the theme of the taskbar
[09:09] <Jack_Sparrow> XVampireX: whats the problem
[09:10] <XVampireX> He's using router/modem combo (router inside a modem) well, an adsl modem
[09:10] <Jack_Sparrow> k
[09:10] <XVampireX> But linux can't find the connection or perhaps the router can't find linux
[09:10] <Jack_Sparrow> He is plugged directly into the router/modem?
[09:10] <XVampireX> Yes
[09:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Im surprised it didnt autodetect
[09:11] <Jack_Sparrow> Was the modem on when he booted?
[09:11] <XVampireX> Yes
[09:12] <XVampireX> It kinda did, but the internet connection itself didn't work
[09:12] <Jack_Sparrow> just checking.
[09:12] <XVampireX> This is the modem: http://www.inoviatele.com/Products_Hi/HiBFOCuS_312+.asp
[09:12] <Jack_Sparrow> This is my first day on Kubuntu so I am VERY new to this
[09:12] <EvilIdler> TRy running dhclient manually in a term
[09:12] <Jack_Sparrow> It does work with his MS box correct?
[09:12] <XVampireX> Oh, I'm not very new, I was around here helping people, but this is one thing I can't do.... I mean, everything here works fine (I'm at home, I was helping my friend)
[09:12] <XVampireX> Yes
[09:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Evilcan help more than I can
[09:13] <XVampireX> Just a sec, I'll call my friend here
[09:14] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: One trick that might work is to open a console in Windows and run "ipconfig /release" before rebooting into Linux
[09:14] <EvilIdler> That modem is an ADSL2+ modem, so it's very new, and therefore a lot of unknowns about it
[09:14] <XVampireX> Oh
[09:15] <n8schicht> hallo
[09:15] <XVampireX> The manual says it works with linux but no instructions as to how to get it working
[09:15] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: It's probably best to completely unplug all power to the modem before trying it in Linux, of course.
[09:15] <Jack_Sparrow> I need to figure out how to change the color of my taskbar..
[09:16] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: That just means the average Linux user knows more than the average manual writer :)
[09:16] <n8schicht> Isn't "Konversation" multilingual? Where can I change it?
[09:17] <XVampireX> Hehe
[09:17] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: You change KDE's language settings, and any programs that support that should automagically change next time they run
[09:18] <XVampireX> He's on live cd though
[09:19] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: I thought so, too. But it's still in english. I remember Kanotix has a german version of it. But Kubuntu...?
[09:20] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: Check that kde-i18n-de or something similar is installed
[09:21] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: dhclient sometimes reports something useful. Tell him to 'sudo dhclient' or 'sudo dhclient eth0' in a konsole
[09:21] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: It is, but still...
[09:21] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: Then it might be an oversight from the packagers :/
[09:21] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: Ah, OK. Thanks!
[09:22] <XVampireX> Evilldler: thanks, I will
[09:22] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: language-pack-kde-de also installed?
[09:23] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: Are you on Breezy or Dapper?
[09:23] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: Yes, that plus "base", and also "language-pack-de" + base
[09:24] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: Dapper
[09:24] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: I'm on Breezy, so I'm downloading those packages now to see if Konversation has any files here.
[09:24] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: Is it supposed to connect to the net automatically?
[09:24] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: Yes, dhclient negotiates DNS and gatewayd
[09:24] <EvilIdler> Gateways, even
[09:24] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: Cool, thanks for your effort!
[09:25] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: Thanks :)
[09:27] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: I find konversation translations in the Breezy package. Downloading the same Dapper package and checking for it.
[09:29] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: Ok, it says: "Unknown hardware type 776"
[09:29] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: The error rings a bell, but I can't quite place it..
[09:29] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: Confirmed missing. I suggest a bug-report ASAFP :)
[09:30] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: Thanks!! Where do I report this?
[09:30] <NthDegree> if I set up a multiboot for openbsd, ubuntu, kubuntu and windows - does the /boot partition have to be a Primary partition?
[09:30] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: Looking up a URL for the package now
[09:30] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: So what is he supposed to do?
[09:31] <Jack_Sparrow> NthDegree: I believe it does
[09:31] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: I remember where I got that error before - some versions of Debian had a dhclient of some version that wasn't compatible with whatever the modem was sending. Non-standard DHCP server in it, or something :/
[09:31] <XVampireX> Oh
[09:32] <Jack_Sparrow> I just installed the XP theme in Ku and it is freaky..
[09:32] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: The almighty Google failed here, so it's a bit poopy :/
[09:32] <NthDegree> Jack_Sparrow I like it :p but it spoils linux by making it into a winblows clone
[09:33] <Jack_Sparrow> It heps to lure users away with a friendly "Face"
[09:33] <Jack_Sparrow> helps
[09:33] <Eroick> is kubuntu the same thing as ubuntu exactly except for it has KDE instead of Gnome?
[09:33] <Paradosso> Eroick, yes
[09:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Thats the only difference?
[09:34] <Eroick> ok, and what does KDE have that Gnome doesn't
[09:34] <NthDegree> K3V
[09:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Nicer users
[09:34] <NthDegree> K3B**
[09:34] <NthDegree> an integrated web browser - konqueror
[09:34] <EvilIdler> GAH, I hate the bugreport interface on launchpad :(
[09:35] <EvilIdler> I'm up to 20 clicks before I find my target
[09:35] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/language-pack-kde-de/+bugs
[09:35] <CaBlGuY> anyone around who knows stuff..  :p
[09:35] <NthDegree> Eroick:  KDE is nice in the fact that it is all integrated like windows but w/o the problems :D
[09:35] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: I noticed there were other translations missing, too. I think it's a lack of people ;)
[09:36] <n8schicht> @EvilIdler: I will report it. Thanks again for your efforts and help!
[09:36] <Eroick> NthDegree: is KDE more like OSX than Gnome?
[09:36] <NthDegree> Eroick: KDE is more windows than Gnome! the taskbar is @ the bottom
[09:36] <EvilIdler> n8schicht: No prob. I've been elbow-deep in bug reports today, and a translation-related problem might affect some languages I need too ;)
[09:37] <Jack_Sparrow> People it has been fun, I will be back with more questions at a leter time..  So far I love this..
[09:37] <NthDegree> Eroick:  Just use google images and see if you like the look :)
[09:37] <CaBlGuY> yur welcoe Jack_Sparrow   ;o)
[09:37] <Jack_Sparrow> And go to kde-look.org to see the different themes
[09:37] <CaBlGuY> *welcome even..
[09:37] <Jack_Sparrow> np cabi
[09:37] <NthDegree> Jack_Sparrow I love the fact that linux dev teams DONT TRY TO SPY ON YOU :p
[09:37] <EvilIdler> My Kubuntu desktop is a bit windows-y, and my Windows desktop looks like classic Mac with OSX themes.
[09:38] <Eroick> does anyone here have a wifi card working with ndiswrapper on Dapper RC?
[09:38] <Jack_Sparrow> I patched all of that out of XP.. including the activation
[09:38] <EvilIdler> All that CPU power on the Windows computer is wasted, since the OS steals it all now :(
[09:38] <EvilIdler> Damn registry.
[09:38] <NthDegree> Eroick:  use a wired router with wireless connections supported :)
[09:39] <EvilIdler> It's like maintaining all of /etc/ and /var/ in memory at all times, except with inefficient hashing
[09:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Again, take care...
[09:40] <CaBlGuY> dapper has firefox 1.5 in it right??
[09:41] <Eroick> hmm, ive used ubuntu alot, is kubuntu worth a shot?
[09:42] <EvilIdler> Eroick: Do you like KDE?
[09:42] <CaBlGuY> Eroick,  just a different desktop..  that's all the diff there is
[09:42] <CaBlGuY> and yes, it's worth "a shot"
[09:42] <ollo82_> my kaffeine isnt working, some problem with gstreamer
[09:44] <ollo82_> anyone an idea?
[09:45] <CaBlGuY> sorry ollo82_  I;m not good with gstreamer..
[09:45] <ollo82_> i dont want gstreamer
[09:45] <CaBlGuY> yet..
[09:45] <Eroick___> hmm, ive used ubuntu alot, is kubuntu worth a shot?
[09:45] <CaBlGuY> yea but, that's your problem..
[09:46] <CaBlGuY> Eroick___,  read up..  /\
[09:46] <EvilIdler> Eroick___: It's just an apt-get away - 'apt-get install kubuntu-desktop', so you can try it. You're not losing your Gnome desktop.
[09:46] <MasterEvilAce> Eroick: kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE as default
[09:46] <CaBlGuY> MasterEvilAce,  not default, just an add-on..
[09:46] <NthDegree> Eroick: kubuntu and ubuntu are the same thing - "sudo -i apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[09:47] <ollo82_> which engine is the standard for kaffeine in kubuntu?
[09:47] <CaBlGuY> u can choose whatever environment u want on the log in screen
[09:48] <EvilIdler> I like bug-report #1 :)
[09:49] <sheldonc> its a bug everyone can work on
[09:50] <CaBlGuY> EvilIdler,  what report is that?
[09:50] <NthDegree> bug1
[09:50] <NthDegree> !bug1
[09:50] <ubotu> NthDegree: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:50] <NthDegree> !bug 1
[09:50] <ubotu> NthDegree: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:50] <NthDegree> !bug #1
[09:50] <ubotu> NthDegree: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:50] <EvilIdler> CaBlGuY: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bug/1
[09:50] <CaBlGuY> aqsis bug report?
[09:51] <NthDegree> not really a bug :P just consumer stupidity
[09:51] <CaBlGuY> Hmmm
[09:51] <XVampireX> LOL!
[09:51] <EvilIdler> It's a critical problem, though, so it's assigned to the founder ;)
[09:51] <CaBlGuY> LOL  that's funny..
[09:52] <CaBlGuY> Bill sux anyway.. ;-)
[09:52] <NthDegree> CaBlGuY: it's SERIOUS
[09:52] <CaBlGuY> yea.. it is..
[09:52] <XVampireX> :D
[09:52] <CaBlGuY> and he STILL SUX
[09:52] <sheldonc> bill isn't bad
[09:52] <NthDegree> everyone using a crap system is awful
[09:52] <XVampireX> You people work on converting your friends and family
[09:52] <CaBlGuY> bILL CAN KISS MY U KNOW WHAT..
[09:52] <NthDegree> bill isn't bad, the company blows that's all
[09:52] <CaBlGuY> Ooops sorry bout the caps..
[09:52] <sheldonc> CaBlGuY: there is a lot of outrageously rich people in america. Bill Gates isn't the worst of them.
[09:52] <EvilIdler> My mother gets Kubuntu once she buys a decent printer
[09:53] <CaBlGuY> NO, it all started with bill..
[09:53] <MasterEvilAce> LOL @ BUG
[09:53] <EvilIdler> Grandpa is already on it, thanks to me doing the hardware buying
[09:53] <CaBlGuY> sheldonc,  PLease..
[09:53] <Chousuke> CaBlGuY: Bill actually donates a lot to charity. :)
[09:53] <MasterEvilAce> bill donates a helll of a lot
[09:53] <Chousuke> And I mean a _lot_
[09:53] <XVampireX> Yeah, donates
[09:53] <EvilIdler> Tax dodge!
[09:53] <CaBlGuY> he has held back opertunity and closed doors on lots of stuff as far as open sorce goes..
[09:53] <XVampireX> It's good
[09:53] <MasterEvilAce> he's giving away his money when he dies to charities, etc.
[09:53] <CaBlGuY> and he's not the "richest man i the world" for no reason..
[09:53] <XVampireX> He didn't die
[09:53] <sheldonc> its probably a tax dodge, but he's a better spender, than say, offspring of the Hiltons....
[09:54] <CaBlGuY> Chousuke,  no, he don't..  he is wife does..
[09:54] <CaBlGuY> ;-0
[09:54] <Chousuke> :P
[09:54] <XVampireX> CaBlGuY: He's not the richest man in the world
[09:54] <CaBlGuY> XVampireX,  I know..
[09:54] <XVampireX> Everywhere except sweden
[09:54] <XVampireX> or was it norway
[09:54] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[09:54] <MasterEvilAce> how has bill held back open source? the only way is they don't release window's stuff so opensource can learn from it.. i hope i would never be forced by the public to release what i've worked on
[09:54] <Chousuke> CaBlGuY: He's rich because he's a damn good businessman.
[09:54] <XVampireX> That founder of that furniture company
[09:54] <XVampireX> Is the richest
[09:55] <Chousuke> Ikea? :p
[09:55] <XVampireX> yeah
[09:55] <MasterEvilAce> if any of you were in his position, you would do the same things.. making sure your stuff is installed on computers and widely used/available
[09:55] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: What we are doing with Linux
[09:55] <XVampireX> Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[09:55] <Chousuke> Microsoft have used a lot of dubious tactics, but it's not entirely Gates' fault.
[09:55] <sheldonc> MSFT made a product. You bought it thinking it was all that and a bag of pancakes. It wasn't. Get over it.
[09:55] <CaBlGuY> Chousuke,  no, he's rich because he's #1 and FORMOST greedy, #2 he's got the corner on the corperate(sp) market..   and #3. He STOLE the idea form Apple b4 it was apple back in the day..
[09:56] <MasterEvilAce> Apple stole ideas too
[09:56] <MasterEvilAce> from xerox
[09:56] <MasterEvilAce> so shut up about stealing
[09:56] <CaBlGuY> I don;'t have to..
[09:56] <MasterEvilAce> everyone steals / "borrows" ideas
[09:56] <CaBlGuY> still
[09:56] <XVampireX> Apple and Microsoft both stole the ideas from unix!
[09:56] <Chousuke> CaBlGuY: ie. He's a damn good businessman.
[09:56] <sheldonc> apple is even more closed than MSFT
[09:56] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  For one if I programmed properly then i'd want everyone to see the beauty of my code and help make my software better :D
[09:56] <EvilIdler> See "Pirates of Silicon Valley" :)
[09:56] <godlkwrth> windows is just a macos port to x86 :P
[09:56] <CaBlGuY> he done it so he could get there idea and make money off of it
[09:56] <XVampireX> It was unix
[09:56] <Chousuke> godlkwrth: Mac OS Classic, you mean?. :)
[09:57] <CaBlGuY> Chousuke,  whatever...   he's a thief and a liar as far as Im concered...
[09:57] <Chousuke> CaBlGuY: oh well
[09:57] <XVampireX> Chousuke: He didn't say Mac OS X
[09:57] <XVampireX> or she
[09:57] <Chousuke> XVampireX: yeah.
[09:57] <NthDegree> Chousuke:  Mac OS X is UNIX
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> XVampireX: That means linux definately stole the ideas from UNIX even more blatently
[09:57] <godlkwrth> mac os x is far greater technology wise than windows
[09:57] <Chousuke> But Mac OS X is Mac OS ten :P
[09:57] <sheldonc> We need MSFT. If you don't have anybody to compete with, then how good would your game get? If MSFT dies, then we die.
[09:57] <Chousuke> And I know
[09:57] <Chousuke> I'm using OS X
[09:57] <XVampireX> h3sp4wn: Yup
[09:58] <CaBlGuY> u can't steal somethin that's free..  IE: Linux using Unix..
[09:58] <NthDegree> yea
[09:58] <XVampireX> Chousuke: Mac OS X is Mac OS running on top of  X server
[09:58] <EvilIdler> There are worms all over the channel! Where's the can?
[09:58] <Chousuke> XVampireX: ?)
[09:58] <Chousuke> XVampireX: OS X doesn't use X Window system.
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> UNIX is not free (it costs a fortune an os certified as UNIX)
[09:58] <NthDegree> YES IT DOES
[09:58] <CaBlGuY> ;o)
[09:58] <MasterEvilAce> Microsoft protects their products--you can't deny that, and you can't fault them for that. They run a business like any other business would run. They're not entirely evil or anything, they just know how to do things from a business perspective
[09:58] <XVampireX> Chousuke: It does
[09:59] <XVampireX> For some reason
[09:59] <godlkwrth> they're a marketing company that happens to be in the tech business
[09:59] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  Red Hat are rich and they are free and Open Source
[09:59] <Chousuke> XVampireX: only for compatibility.
[09:59] <Chousuke> XVampireX: the apple candy does not run on X window server.
[09:59] <XVampireX> Chousuke: Mac OS X came to be when Apple people took FreeBSD and made it into Darwinia
[09:59] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: yeah? so? google is rich and their stuff is based around being free
[09:59] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: there are other ways to make money.. but free and open source isn't for everybody
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> aqua != x window system
[10:00] <Chousuke> XVampireX: not really. As far as I know, Darwin is based on the same BSD as FreeBSD is based on.
[10:00] <XVampireX> :P
[10:00] <XVampireX> Oy, darwin, lol, yeah :P
[10:00] <XVampireX> Yeah, I remember something BSD, I wasn't sure myself, lol
[10:00] <godlkwrth> apple embraces opensource, microsoft wants to rid the world of it
[10:00] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce: you missed the point, M$ are EVIL they rip us off and in countries like korea you get their software for the equiv of $10 or #5
[10:00] <godlkwrth> apple knows how to coexist, ms don't
[10:00] <XVampireX> Apple needs to give back to the open source world more than they do now
[10:00] <Chousuke> godlkwrth: MS doesn't want to.
[10:00] <h3sp4wn> apple would happily rip you off just as much as ms
[10:01] <sheldonc> !offtopic
[10:01] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[10:01] <Chousuke> oh, right.
[10:01] <XVampireX> sheldonc: Sorry :P
[10:01] <Chousuke> almost thought this was -offtopic :P
[10:01] <XVampireX> We're not really talking off-topic though
[10:01] <godlkwrth> we're talking about bug #1 :P
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> talking about bug 1
[10:01] <XVampireX> Yeah
[10:01] <sheldonc> hahahah, i actually hate people that do "!offtopic" but in this case both sides seemed a little concrete in their ideas
[10:02] <sheldonc> so i just had to
[10:02] <godlkwrth> at least we're standing up to ms
[10:02] <godlkwrth> i'm glad to see someone is
[10:02] <XVampireX> :D
[10:02] <godlkwrth> instead of taking a back seat
[10:02] <EvilIdler> We can blame Mark for the discussion!
[10:02] <XVampireX> Yup
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> NthDegree: Know anything about uboot ?
[10:04] <sheldonc> post a comment on the bug :)
[10:04] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: we don't get ripped off. OSX is 130$ Windows xp home is like 100$ or less now. Korea gets the OS for 10$ or so because MOST of their software is pirated. They WON'T pay 100$ for an OS. They probably CAN'T. So in order to actually get some legit business there, they have to conform to the market.
[10:05] <MasterEvilAce> Microsoft is just doing business
[10:05] <XVampireX> Some countries are going mostly free software/open source
[10:05] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce: I live in the UK and YES IT IS A RIP OFF - AND ALSO YOU PHONE ACTIVATE IT AND THEY ACCUSE YOU OF PIRACY 24/7
[10:05] <XVampireX> Australia and New-Zealand to name just 2
[10:05] <godlkwrth> yeah there was an article on slashdot about pirated software. pirated versions of windows are GOOD for ms because it locks everyone into proprietary ms formats
[10:05] <godlkwrth> if everyone was using free sw instead ms would be at a loss
[10:05] <EvilIdler> It's slow, but my country is sort of getting that open is good, DRM is bad, and proprietary is suspicious
[10:06] <XVampireX> HAHA
[10:06] <Bazzi> which country is that?
[10:06] <Bazzi> I want to move there.
[10:06] <EvilIdler> No'way
[10:06] <XVampireX> :D
[10:06] <NthDegree> Norway :p
[10:06] <XVampireX> We'll eat your pizzaa
[10:06] <XVampireX> pizza^
[10:06] <EvilIdler> Every politician has an iPod, and will fight tooth and claw against blocking their right to rip their CDs
[10:07] <NthDegree> lmao
[10:07] <sheldonc> hahahaha
[10:07] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: how is it a ripoff? Yes you phone activate it.. with games you have CDKeys, etc. etc. If you bought it legit, why does it matter? And no they don't accuse you of piracy constantly. Atleast they're not like the RIAA and Sony, etc. crashing your computers or making your music CDs only work in 2% of cd players
[10:07] <NthDegree> what about sweden's piracy party?
[10:07] <godlkwrth> party?
[10:07] <godlkwrth> lol
[10:07] <EvilIdler> Yes, Sweden has a political party for piracy
[10:07] <klerfayt> I can't get normal stylesheet back in konqueror
[10:08] <EvilIdler> Representative with an eyepatch :)
[10:08] <XVampireX> I live in Israel, it's starting to move in here a little bit too
[10:08] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  They ask me stupid questions and their OS contains spyware!!!
[10:08] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: Everyone asks stupid questions.. and maybe you should stop downloading spyware, then
[10:08] <XVampireX> NthDegree: Windows and its spyware, lol
[10:08] <XVampireX> MasterEvilAce: Spyware is spy-ware
[10:08] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  I SAID WINDOWS IS SPYWARE!!!!
[10:08] <XVampireX> They don't tell you when you want to be spied on
[10:09] <MasterEvilAce> Windows is not spyware. how is it spyware
[10:09] <EvilIdler> I've found a software firewall very useful in blocking WinXP spyware. Or using a Linux box as your router, of course.
[10:09] <XVampireX> Big brother is watching you
[10:09] <XVampireX> I.E: Bill Gates
[10:10] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  get an IDS/IPS and you will see how often windows "calls" home when Auto Updates ARE NOT EVEN INSTALLED
[10:10] <MasterEvilAce> I use Firefox now, and i don't get ANY spyware. just tracking cookies. Before that though, I rarely got spyware in IE anyways. you learn what to not click/run. Stop going to warez and porn sites and you will be clean
[10:10] <godlkwrth> i think kubuntu is a catalyst for free sw. if we can get kubuntu into oem markets hopefully we can make microsoft more moot
[10:10] <EvilIdler> macd: Doesn't mean they're not out to get all your details and sell you something ;)
[10:10] <XVampireX> I've found more unique software for linux than on windows, it's that good
[10:10] <Bazzi> well, a bugless (k)ubuntu would certainly help :/
[10:10] <macd> heh
[10:10] <XVampireX> Yes, I agree about bugless part
[10:10] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  you only need windows itself to have spyware, it in itself spies on you!!
[10:11] <Bazzi> installing dapper rc on  3 pcs was a nightmare
[10:11] <MasterEvilAce> Okay, you're all seriously paranoid and insane
[10:11] <EvilIdler> Free Windows software is an endless cycle of free->shareware->discontinued, while Linux is at least opensource
[10:11] <Bazzi> 2 of them required heavy console actions
[10:11] <XVampireX> Yeah, Firefoxx is also good against spyware
[10:11] <Bazzi> MasterEvilAce: I agree on that insane part
[10:11] <macd> I dont care about my OS phonig home, as long as it doesnt phone my name home, I could care less if they want to know whats causeing problems when
[10:11] <macd> maybee they can fix my typos
[10:11] <nico8481> that's one of the reasons why i wouldn't feel comfortable to use windows (fortunately i don't have to yet) : noone ever managaed to prove me that it doesn't contain spyware, or "special MS" backdoors
[10:12] <NthDegree> same here nico8481
[10:12] <nico8481> but all my friends tell me i'm paranoid so maybe i am on that topic :)
[10:12] <macd> say what you will MS brought the PC to everyhome.
[10:12] <Bazzi> well, ubuntu phones home heavily as well!
[10:12] <sheldonc> holy crap you people need therapy
[10:12] <XVampireX> We do
[10:12] <XVampireX> It's a nice discussion
[10:12] <sheldonc> #lunatics
[10:12] <macd> haha
[10:12] <XVampireX> lol
[10:13] <EvilIdler> Welcome to #windows-recovery. Leave your pain at the door.
[10:13] <NthDegree> Bazzi, but you can see what it is doing :P analyze and you will see how the data being sent out is safe and under control
[10:13] <Bazzi> well I can do the same under windows
[10:13] <Bazzi> network sniffing is possible there as well
[10:13] <Bazzi> and it has shown no especially bad things
[10:13] <Bazzi> so paranoia-- please
[10:13] <NthDegree> Bazzi, no you can't I have (illegally) modded windows and still it sends out cr@p
[10:13] <XVampireX> There's one thing that's good about windows - Most things just work. But it's a pain when they don't.
[10:13] <MasterEvilAce> Microsoft does not go after people who pirate their OS. They only go after the guys who have massive piracy rings that cause it to get distributed.. even if you run a pirated version of windows, MS doesn't care THAT much to take action. They know they can't get everyone, nor fight them (unlike the RIAA, sueing everybody).. the most they do is disable you from certain services that MS provides. (However AUTOMATIC updates ar
[10:13] <Bazzi> what's more of concern is that sucking windows media formats
[10:14] <NthDegree> Bazzi that is one thing that is OK
[10:14] <Bazzi> I could really care less of what my windows sends ATM
[10:14] <MasterEvilAce> Bazzi: where do you live?
[10:14] <NthDegree> better than mp3
[10:14] <XVampireX> Ubuntu/Kubuntu have a good unique name, that's a part of its success
[10:14] <Bazzi> well the drm formats dont really play anywhere
[10:14] <XVampireX> And I'm done with arguing
[10:14] <Bazzi> and suck, too
[10:15] <NthDegree> Bazzi, you don't need DRM on WMP format files
[10:15] <nico8481> Bazzi: how do you sniff backdoors ?
[10:15] <Bazzi> well, I'm speaking of the ones you can buy
[10:15] <Bazzi> which are heavily DRM'd
[10:15] <nico8481> Bazzi: ... as long as they are not used?
[10:15] <godlkwrth> vista will suck, hopefully and everyone will see kubuntu as a great alternative :P
[10:15] <Bazzi> backdoors. yeah. I dont even think MS would be able to put them in purposely, just by accident :P
[10:15] <MasterEvilAce> I'm not a fan of what vista is doing, either
[10:16] <godlkwrth> and if we could get into oem markets like linspire then that would be even better
[10:16] <NthDegree> Bazzi, I have been hacking @ windows for ages so like I give 2 sh!tz about American law when i live in 'England'
[10:16] <Bazzi> well the american law is of no concern of mine either
[10:17] <Bazzi> our isn't much better though
[10:17] <NthDegree> and they do have backdoors
[10:17] <Bazzi> recently about 20 million people guesstimated were criminalized :P
[10:17] <NthDegree> intentional backdoors there are in windows systems
[10:17] <NthDegree> because a lot of them were exploited by trojans
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[10:18] <NthDegree> all the famous trojans exploited intentional backdoors
[10:18] <Bazzi> thats like saying the xbox had backdoors
[10:18] <Bazzi> since it's been hacked
[10:18] <nico8481> i'm about to buy a new comp right now, because no matter what you do, some stuff needs that you use a commercial OS (as in "only works with them") so i'm hesitating between windows and OSX...
[10:18] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  Did you know windows can be DEACTIVATED?
[10:18] <nico8481> but Apple hardware is soooooooo expensive :(
[10:18] <Bazzi> nico8481: I'd choose osx any time of the day
[10:18] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: how so
[10:19] <godlkwrth> nico8481, what sw do you need that free sw can't provide?
[10:19] <nico8481> Bazzi: if the price was the same i would too :)
[10:19] <godlkwrth> there are many alternatives
[10:19] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce: you are stupid if you don't read the papers on these things, discussing 100% PROVEN FACTS
[10:19] <MasterEvilAce> Even if MS can deactivate windows, I have never heard of it ever being done
[10:19] <NthDegree> there is a bit that ms reserved to deactivate ms products
[10:20] <nico8481> godlkwrth: well it's not really about software, it's rather stuff like portable mp3 players, that are not recognized as mass storage and need some kind of special driver, that exists only for mac & windows
[10:20] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce: that isn't the point, hackers will learn it and exploit it
[10:20] <Bazzi> the mysterious 33rd bit ;)
[10:20] <godlkwrth> nico8481, linux support many mp3 players
[10:20] <nico8481> godlkwrth: i know there are some models that work as mass storage, but they usually don't have the features everyone needs (ogg vorbis etc..)
[10:21] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: if it's been there all along, and i havn't heard of any cases.. then apparently nobody cares enough to do it. i think most people want to TAKE OVER systems-- not disable them
[10:21] <EvilIdler> nico8481: iAudio has all you need, and then some
[10:21] <nico8481> godlkwrth: usually the ones that work with linux can't read ogg-vorbis, and vice-versa
[10:21] <n3storm> nico8481: my soyntec can play ogg
[10:22] <godlkwrth> nico8481, iAudio X5 support ogg vorbis
[10:22] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce:  I've played with activation enough to know that everything integrated into the OS sends data off to ms
[10:22] <godlkwrth> i think
[10:22] <EvilIdler> The X5 is nice.
[10:22] <Ahmuck> videos from utube always play with delayed sound playback.  what is causing this ?
[10:22] <nico8481> yeah i found a samsung that works ok with linux & reads ogg in the meantime, but i mean when you don't use osx/win you're severely restricted regarding the hardware you can use...
[10:22] <nico8481> what if i didn't like that samsung? i'd have had no alternative
[10:22] <EvilIdler> The big iAudio players are good because they also support FLAC
[10:22] <uniq> please guys, this sounds like a #kubuntu-offtopic discussion.
[10:23] <nico8481> godlkwrth: yeah but that model has a joystick that sucks :)
[10:23] <DarthFrog> Well, the upgrade to Dapper RC totally toasted my system. :-(
[10:23] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: okay? i live in the US, and i've been using tampered windows for years now, as well as ALL of my friends. Same everything. none of us have any problems with doing anything, nor any sort of warnings or messages from MS telling us they're coming after us  or disabling our systems
[10:23] <nico8481> and anyway, you need OSX or win to play WOW (well if you don't want to have to use emulation and play at 2FPS)
[10:24] <nico8481> (i'm not a WOW player, but that's just another example :o) )
[10:24] <godlkwrth> nico8481, cedega supports WoW
[10:24] <godlkwrth> i think
[10:24] <nico8481> what's that?
[10:24] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: i think you care that your windows is tampered with a lot more than MSFT does
[10:24] <godlkwrth> it's like wine
[10:24] <nico8481> another proprietary wine implementation? :)
[10:24] <godlkwrth> yeah
[10:24] <nico8481> lol
[10:24] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce: april 25th they released genuine advantage notification, which marks ms products that are pirated for high-priority deactivation
[10:24] <nico8481> emulation sucks
[10:25] <EvilIdler> nico8481: ZSNES. Suck or not?
[10:25] <godlkwrth> WINE: WINE Is Not an Emulator
[10:25] <godlkwrth> it's not an emulator :p
[10:25] <nico8481> EvilIdler: no idea what you're talking about :)
[10:25] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Look it up, then - it's in apt ;)
[10:25] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: well i'm waiting then :)
[10:25] <nico8481> EvilIdler: but SNES sucked ;-)
[10:26] <EvilIdler> nico8481: You think everything sucks!
[10:26] <nico8481> EvilIdler: just kidding, i never played the SNES
[10:26] <NthDegree> MasterEvilAce: i agree that linux isn't the greatest thing around but ms software is just plain Big Brother with computers
[10:27] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Lots of good stuff there, and the emulators support gamepads without fiddling on Linux :)
[10:27] <nico8481> EvilIdler: but you can't deny that playing a game through wine (it doesn't matter whether you call it an emulator or not, although i think it is) is waaaaaaay slower than a native version
[10:27] <godlkwrth> nico8481, I did more multimedia on my kubuntu system than I now do with my OS X desktop
[10:27] <godlkwrth> how about that :P
[10:28] <godlkwrth> i had all the codecs supported on kubuntu
[10:28] <nico8481> not to the mention the fact that i never managed to get wine to work :P
[10:28] <godlkwrth> i can't play windows media on os x or musepack
[10:28] <EvilIdler> nico8481: That's not true, actually. Some games ran as well or faster than natively. Starcraft and Total Annihilation are good examples, and Sacrifice a fine 3D example.
[10:28] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Classic Wine is fiddly, yes :(
[10:29] <nico8481> EvilIdler: that's hard to believe... how can something run faster that natively, when all the instructions have to be translated ?
[10:29] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Not exactly translated
[10:29] <MasterEvilAce> NthDegree: I'm not saying MS is perfect, but there's absolutely no problem with protecting your products and investments. Yeah, linux has some downsides, but I think it is good, and i AM routing for them, hey, the only thing keeping me from switching is the windows app support. As far as windows itself, it could be better,but it's designed to try to do everything and work on everything, so thgat's why it's a bit clunky at 
[10:30] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Wine doesn't emulate the CPU. It makes a Win32 EXE call Linux libraries instead of DLLs. THAT is why it's not an actual emulator.
[10:30] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Wine contains Linux versions of most of the Win32 API.
[10:30] <nico8481> EvilIdler: so you mean the routines inside the linux lib are faster than they win32 counterpart ?
[10:31] <nico8481> ...than their...
[10:31] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Sometimes.
[10:31] <Ahmuck> MasterEvilAce: use windows where you need to and linux where you need to
[10:31] <MasterEvilAce> does Wine (or cedega) work with any new new games? maybe something advanced like call of duty 2?
[10:31] <godlkwrth> yes
[10:31] <XVampireX> yup
[10:31] <Ahmuck> i use firefox/thunderbird/sunbird and giam most of the time because they are cross platform
[10:31] <godlkwrth> cedega supports the latest games
[10:31] <EvilIdler> nico8481: There are cases where the game has a shorter path to the graphics hardware than in real DirectX
[10:31] <MasterEvilAce> Ahmuck: lol, yeah that's what my current setup is. I don't "need" to use linux, but i have it on my laptop, as I do like the operating system, and I do like learning about it.
[10:31] <Ahmuck> i use windows for other things, that is the beuty of grup
[10:31] <Ahmuck> er, grub
[10:31] <nico8481> hmm... :-/
[10:32] <Ahmuck> i windows only when necessary
[10:32] <Ahmuck> MasterEvilAce: you into geneology ?
[10:32] <MasterEvilAce> Ahmuck: no?
[10:33] <nico8481> anyway they are still too much issues with linux imho... i mean we got distros focusing on desktop, ease of use, great apps like amaroK are created, and a fuckin' copy-paste still doesn't work as expected...
[10:33] <ubuntu> Damn, the Kubuntu install trashed my Windows partition
[10:33] <MasterEvilAce> nico8481: lol, what's wrong with cut and paste?
[10:34] <godlkwrth> center mouse button pastes :>
[10:34] <EvilIdler> I haven't noticed any problems with cut & paste, either.
[10:34] <Ahmuck> ubuntu what version of dapper are you using ?
[10:34] <ubuntu> trying to fix it now
[10:34] <ubuntu> Last ver
[10:34] <nico8481> sometimes you have to ctrl+v, sometimes you have to click the middle mouse button, sometimes it pastes something that should have been overwritten in the "pasteboard" (or whatever it is called) for a long time, ...
[10:34] <ubuntu> not dapper..badger
[10:34] <sheldonc> nico8481: if you're running klipper, pay attention to what it is doing
[10:34] <nico8481> an example from this afternoon:
[10:34] <godlkwrth> nico8481, the standard way to paste is center button
[10:34] <nico8481> i selected some text from a webpage, did "copy"
[10:35] <EvilIdler> I don't run Klipper. Perhaps that's why everything is fine :P
[10:35] <ubuntu> brb
[10:35] <nico8481> started OOo, did "paste", it pasted something else
[10:35] <Prak> is nixternal here?
[10:35] <nico8481> i had to do the copy from the web AFTER having started OOo, otherwise the paste doesn't work... O_O
[10:35] <MasterEvilAce> I don't see the use of Klipper.. i'm used to only being able to have one thing in a clipboard anyways.. even features in Microsoft Office with the ability to store large amounts of "clipped" objects.. just seems dumb
[10:35] <sheldonc> nico8481: yes i know what you're talking about, maybe try killing klipper, rebooting and doing everything over again and see if then all works as expected
[10:36] <EvilIdler> For maximum chaos, run Klipper on a computer connected to Synergy for sharing of the wrong clipboard data across a network :P
[10:36] <godlkwrth> i've never had any problems using klipper
[10:36] <EvilIdler> I have simple clipboard needs, though.
[10:36] <nico8481> and what about the different methods for pasting? why do you need sometimes to do ctrl+v (or click "paste"), and sometimes select something (without copying it) and click the middle mouse button to paste it?
[10:37] <sheldonc> maybe klippers not the problem, i just can't deal with having too many clipboard options :)
[10:37] <nico8481> is it two different copy/paste methods or what?
[10:37] <EvilIdler> Two paths to the same result, normally
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> nico8481: I sorta hate konsole that i have to SHIFT + INSERT to paste.. i want to be able to just do CTRL+V :( there's probably a reason for that though
[10:37] <EvilIdler> You can also block-select with the right mousebutton
[10:37] <nico8481> EvilIdler: it's not two path for the same result, sometimes only one works
[10:37] <EvilIdler> Shift-insert is a windows-ism
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> is it?
[10:38] <MasterEvilAce> i didn't know that.. i have NEVER used shift+insert except in konsole.. so i found that awkward
[10:38] <EvilIdler> Ctrl-c/ctrl-v are classic 'Wordstar keys'
[10:39] <EvilIdler> Wordstar is ancient history - great grandfather of all text processing for common people :)
[10:39] <EvilIdler> TeX, of course, is for the rest
[10:39] <nico8481> i mean you should be allowed to copy whatever way you want (ctrl+c, shift+del, whatever) and once it's in the buffer somewhere you use whatever method you want (ctrl+v, shift+insert, middle click...) to paste it and that's all
[10:39] <nico8481> but no, it doesn't work as expected
[10:40] <EvilIdler> I never find myself needing more than one clipboard buffer, and it works fine across all KDE apps + Opera
[10:40] <EvilIdler> It could be an issue with Gnome/KDE sometimes, or Konsole being plain silly.
[10:40] <EvilIdler> There's a reason I still use xterm :=)
[10:41] <pgquiles> wow dapper comes with kaffeine 0.7.1 and amaroK 1.3.9 :-/
[10:41] <nico8481> but it seems like if you have copied the stuff via ctrl+c you have to use control+v to paste it, and sometimes it doesn't work because the "receiving app" doesn't like it, so you have to go back to your "source" and select the stuff, then go back to the "destination" and middle-click... i mean it's not the way a copy/paste is supposed to work
[10:41] <Prak> is it able to get a dlink dfe-530txs ethernet card to be able to detect internet when using kubuntu dapper rc live cd?
[10:41] <nico8481> but i might be wrong :P
[10:42] <EvilIdler> nico8481: I don't have that problem, but due to using WinXP extensively, I double-press ctrl-c. That might help.
[10:42] <EvilIdler> Windows has its own clipboad issues :/
[10:42] <nico8481> so what's the problem with klipper anyway?
[10:43] <EvilIdler> It's a multi-line clipboard, I think
[10:43] <EvilIdler> Saves a history of clippings
[10:44] <nico8481> sure but if it always pastes the last one it shouldn't cause any problem...
[10:44] <EvilIdler> Perhaps that isn't what it's doing in your case ;)
[10:44] <nico8481> it's just a supplementary feature that you can recall an older input
[10:44] <nico8481> yup perhaps :)
[10:45] <sheldonc> it lets you select which one you wanna paste. functionality like that only serves to confuse me, my attention span isnt long enough to put it to use :)
[10:45] <EvilIdler> I used something like it on another system in the ancient past, but a good code editor made it redundant
[10:46] <nico8481> sheldonc: so don't use that feature, just ctrl+v and let it paste the last think that was copied, just like if the feature was not there...
[10:46] <sheldonc> exactly
[10:46] <nico8481> (i mean if it was working as expected)
[10:46] <sheldonc> well i go a step further and tell it to not bother keeping 24 entries of whatever
[10:47] <EvilIdler> With Linux, you have the luxury of being able to report bugs that will actually be read by someone.
[10:47] <sheldonc> and talking to devs
[10:48] <sheldonc> and becoming one
[10:48] <EvilIdler> Yep
[10:48] <sheldonc> with no interview process!
[10:48] <EvilIdler> Yep :)
[10:48] <nico8481> sure, i'm not saying anything against that principle :)
[10:48] <EvilIdler> So if you think cut & paste is broken, report it :)
[10:48] <EvilIdler> If you think the design of the way it works is broken, report that instead
[10:49] <EvilIdler> Bad design is also a bug
[10:49] <nico8481> just sometimes you need that it just works, and don't have the time to report, wait etc...
[10:49] <EvilIdler> OK, learn to live with it ;)
[10:49] <nico8481> yeah the problem is that i can't describe it clearly :p
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Sure you can. Just explain what it takes to reproduce the bug.
[10:50] <Prak> is it able to get a dlink dfe-530txs ethernet card to be able to detect internet when using kubuntu dapper rc live cd?
[10:50] <EvilIdler> Some developer will have the bug assigned and report back, possibly asking for more info if anything is clear
[10:50] <nico8481> well that's something that i notice when it happens (often), but i never took the time to analyse under what circumstances it happened... (maybe i should some day :p)
[10:51] <nico8481> anyway i supposed it's already in the bug DBs, it's been around for a long time and i guess i'm not the only one to be bugged by it :)
[10:52] <nico8481> "...i suppose..."
[10:53] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Dapper or Breezy?
[10:53] <nico8481> maybe it'll be better after portland will have unified the destkop, and they won't have a multitude of "clipper-like" apps overlapping each-others... dunno :-/
[10:53] <nico8481> EvilIdler: breezy
[10:53] <EvilIdler> nico8481: KDE 3.4.3 or 3.5.2?
[10:53] <nico8481> uuh...
[10:54] <EvilIdler> nico8481: You'll see that in the About menu in any KDE app
[10:54] <nico8481> 3.4.3
[10:54] <nico8481> although i keep up to date though apt-get...
[10:55] <HymnToLife> nico8481> you have to add another repo to get 3.5.2
[10:55] <HymnToLife> !kde
[10:55] <nico8481> HymnToLife: isn't it considered as stable yet or... ?
[10:55] <HymnToLife> see here : http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-352.php
[10:55] <HymnToLife> nico8481> I've used it for months and never had any problem
[10:55] <nico8481> HymnToLife: i mean why isn't it in the "normal" repos?
[10:58] <EvilIdler> Is 3.5.2 a backport from Dapper, or something?
[10:58] <EvilIdler> It's working well enough here, anyway
[10:59] <Prak> is it able to get a dlink dfe-530txs ethernet card to be able to detect internet when using kubuntu dapper rc live cd?
[10:59] <HymnToLife> nico8481> ask Riddell maybe he's here
[10:59] <nico8481> well i think i'll reinstall the whole think with the released dapper in a few days :)
[10:59] <nico8481> "whole thing"
[10:59] <nico8481> damn i can't write anymore :P
[11:00] <nico8481> (like i ever could)
[11:01] <jii> hmm one quick questien, how do i change locales? dpkg-reconfigure locales just generates them without asking new one which you would like to use
[11:01] <nixternal> Prak: you still around?
[11:01] <Prak> yes
[11:02] <Prak> i got dapper desktop rc now
[11:02] <Prak> still no luck getting my internet to work
[11:02] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Bug report and possible solutions -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/43344
[11:02] <divansantana> has e1 grabbed the hot new kde3.5.3 for dapper yet?
[11:02] <EvilIdler> Launchpad is still a pain to find anything in :/
[11:03] <divansantana> Dapper plus kde3.5.3+koffice1.5.1+kerry+wirelessassistant etc etc! Kubuntu rocks!
[11:03] <nico8481> EvilIdler: wow thanks
[11:03] <nixternal> hmm prak
[11:03] <nixternal> throw out that NIC ;)
[11:03] <EvilIdler> nico8481: My mousebutton is now officially worn out from a day on Launchpad :P
[11:03] <nixternal> you had that NIC working prior correct?  with another OS?
[11:04] <Prak> throw out that ethernet card and replace it with another one; it works with windwos
[11:04] <Prak> *windows xp
[11:04] <Prak> should i throw that one out and use another one?
[11:04] <Prak> which card would you suggest?
[11:04] <nixternal> i was joking...but if you had another one...
[11:04] <Prak> i don't have one with me
[11:04] <nixternal> im using a generic nic 10/100
[11:04] <nixternal> lol
[11:04] <nixternal> $5 maybe
[11:04] <Prak> i can get one from my friend
[11:04] <nico8481> hehe
[11:05] <Prak> $5 US?
[11:05] <nixternal> i htink it is a netgear card...an old one though
[11:05] <EvilIdler> A cheap Intel or 3Com will do. Even cheaper RT-based chipsets would work, too.
[11:05] <nixternal> ya
[11:05] <nixternal> see...the issue with that dlink card is with the sundance driver
[11:05] <Prak> ok
[11:05] <nixternal> but people have gotten that card to work
[11:05] <nixternal> with linux
[11:05] <Prak> but it could be so difficult that it's not worth the hassle?
[11:06] <nixternal> it shouldn't be
[11:06] <nixternal> i don't know if it is a firmware issue with the cards
[11:06] <EvilIdler> I've got an FA311 (Netgear) that is always autodetected, but no driver I pick after installation works. So I'd recommend 3Com or Intel first :)
[11:06] <nixternal> i think that is my same exact card EvilIdler
[11:06] <nixternal> but it isn't reported as a netgear though is it?
[11:07] <EvilIdler> nixternal: Very popular, very cheap. Every other distro does weird things to mine, though :P
[11:07] <Prak> i'm using a dlink card plugged into a netgear router
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> which netgear router ?
[11:07] <Prak> wgr614v4
[11:07] <nixternal> my nic is reported as a National Semiconductor DP83815 (MacPhyter)
[11:08] <nixternal> it definately isn't a router issue since winxp ran successfully with that nic
[11:08] <EvilIdler> Yeah, I think mine was natsemi driver, too. There are two different ones in modconf
[11:08] <nico8481> EvilIdler: yeah maybe that's the problem: when you mix keyboard and mouse to copy/paste... but i mean you *should* be allowed to do it... whether you copy with the keyboard or the mouse, the text should be stored at the same place, and whether you paste with the mouse or the keyboard, it should take the text from the same place...
[11:08] <nixternal> Prak: if you do > lspci
[11:08] <nixternal> what does it report network wise again
[11:08] <Prak> hold up
[11:08] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Definitely. Key or mouse shouldn't make a difference.
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> Prak: If only it was a v3 you could run linux on the router
[11:09] <Prak> there's an issue with the router?
[11:09] <Dasnipa`> when does dapper become avail on apt? not til the 1st?
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> Prak: the v4 only has 4mb ram and 1 mb flash
[11:09] <nixternal> there shouldn't be Prak
[11:10] <Dasnipa`> the official release i mean
[11:10] <nixternal> because winxp worked with the router
[11:10] <h3sp4wn> I still think routers which can run linux should
[11:10] <EvilIdler> nico8481: If you post your view on that bug report, the dev in charge might actually do something about it :)
[11:10] <Prak> which card and router works with linux?
[11:10] <Prak> and windows?
[11:11] <Prak> worst comes to worst, i'll just get them
[11:11] <nixternal> your router is fine
[11:11] <Prak> ok
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> There is a possibility that the latest fglrx will go into dapper (I just got the test deb's and it fixed my issue)
[11:11] <nixternal> your router would work with an AIX system if need be
[11:11] <nixternal> router isn't the issue...it is the NIC
[11:11] <Prak> what does nic stand for?
[11:11] <nixternal> you are using the same NIC and cable as you did with Windows XP correct?
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> Routers are more fun that desktops
[11:11] <Prak> yes
[11:11] <nixternal> network interface card
[11:11] <Prak> oh
[11:12] <nixternal> your actual network card
[11:12] <Prak> yes
[11:12] <Prak> i'm using the same one
[11:12] <nixternal> nic is easier to type ;)
[11:12] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: If by 'fun' you mean 'something that takes years out of your life' ;)
[11:12] <nixternal> what did > lspci > report?
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: Openwrt is pretty easy to install and use
[11:12] <EvilIdler> 'lspci | grep Ether' if you have a lot
[11:13] <nixternal> ya
[11:13] <nico8481> EvilIdler: ok, i just checked the "ignore selection" box, gonna watch it for a few days to see if it works better then maybe post a reply if it doesn't ;)
[11:13] <nixternal> forgot to add that...because i don't have alot on this machine
[11:13] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Do that - I think the interface needs some better, more descriptive text on that program :)
[11:13] <Prak> nixternal: there's a d-link system inc dl10050 sundance ethernet (rev 12)
[11:14] <nixternal> hmm
[11:14] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: Getting a wifi network that runs rock solid was difficult for me without openwrt
[11:14] <nixternal> your card is recognized correctly
[11:14] <nixternal> what was that model number again?
[11:14] <nixternal> i forgot ;)
[11:14] <Prak> d-link dfe-530txs
[11:14] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: I've got an SMC that's a bit flaky. Sometimes it's connected..sometimes it isn't. Release, renew, retry.
[11:14] <nico8481> EvilIdler: however the copy/paste issue was just an example in whatever we were talking about previously, but since i don't remember... nevermind :o)
[11:15] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: I'd trade it for a WRT if I found someone dumb enough to get rid of theirs ;)
[11:15] <EvilIdler> nico8481: Hehe
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: I have an asus wl 500 -gd (which i use) and 2 Netgear WGT634U's (Which I use for learning about embedded development)
[11:16] <nixternal> Prak: Kmenu > System Settings > Network Settings
[11:16] <nixternal> what does that say in there?
[11:17] <h3sp4wn> EvilIdler: They all have usb ports which is useful for installing pointless software on them
[11:17] <Prak> the card is enable
[11:17] <Prak> *enabled
[11:17] <Prak> but there's no address
[11:17] <XVampireX> EvilIdler: My friend fixed the modem/router problem :P
[11:17] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Yeah, with a USB harddrive, they're fileservers in a box
[11:17] <nixternal> check administration...and go into configure it
[11:17] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: Was it something basic, glaringly obvious that noone thought of?
[11:18] <XVampireX> latter
[11:18] <nixternal> is it set to automatic dhcp or manual?
[11:18] <Prak> automatic
[11:18] <Prak> dhcp
[11:18] <nixternal> so it shows it is enabled, but no address
[11:18] <Prak> there should be an address, right?
[11:18] <XVampireX> It was related to configuring a pppoe connection, there were 2 options: connect and save, we always tried connect which didn't save anything, and never thought of saving :P
[11:19] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: Ugh, PPPOE!
[11:19] <XVampireX> :P
[11:19] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: I think there are 180 ISPs in this small country, yet I know of only one that uses PPPOE. It's that unpopular :)
[11:19] <nixternal> it should say something under address yes
[11:19] <XVampireX> Hehe
[11:20] <XVampireX> There are very few ISPs here
[11:20] <EvilIdler> XVampireX: They use *passworded* PPPOE
[11:20] <XVampireX> :D
[11:21] <XVampireX> Well, thanks for the help earlier anyways :)
[11:21] <XVampireX> Now back to bed I go :D
[11:21] <nixternal> Prak: look at the Domain Name System tab....do you see localhost 127.0.0.1 in there
[11:21] <Prak> yes
[11:24] <Prak> should it be in there?
[11:25] <EvilIdler> Always
[11:25] <Prak> ok
[11:26] <h3sp4wn> nixternal: So are not a fan of kanotix then its been fine for me with only using the kanotix package manager and carefully aptitude (but not dist-upgrade)
[11:26] <marzec> greetings
[11:27] <marzec> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/base/linux-amd64-k8 i'd need this package, however, i don't have the proper source in sources.list and i can't figure out what source url i need for it. any help appreciated
[11:27] <nixternal> Prak: at a prompt type > sudo ifdown eth0
[11:28] <Prak> ok
[11:28] <nixternal> lol...i thought nobody was here...scrolled up a little and forgot to come back down
[11:28] <nixternal> ;)
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> marzec: Just download it manually (with the restricted modules) and install it with dpkg -i
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> marzec: Make sure you have the 64 bit libc at least
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> marzec: (I think the kernel has 32 bit compatiblity in it)
[11:29] <nixternal> h3sp4wn: i have never messed with kanotix at all
[11:29] <Prak> nixternal: what should i see when it's working?] 
[11:30] <nixternal> ummm...
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> nixternal : must be someone else
[11:30] <nixternal> oh nothing...we just took down the network card
[11:30] <nixternal> lol
[11:30] <marzec> h3sp4wn,  to many dependencies
[11:30] <nixternal> Prak: now type > sudo ifup eth0
[11:30] <Prak> ok
[11:30] <nixternal> watch it and let me know the error
[11:30] <uniq> marzec: add the restricted section.
[11:30] <marzec> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14802 i think i got that there right?
[11:30] <marzec> that's my sources.list
[11:31] <Prak> it's trying to dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
[11:31] <h3sp4wn> uniq: He wants a 32 bit userland with 64 bit kernel with 32 bit emulation
[11:31] <Prak> but it keeps on failing
[11:31] <nixternal> hmmm
[11:31] <uniq> marzec: 'deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted' will give you access to the package via apt.
[11:32] <marzec> thanks
[11:32] <marzec> i just hope it's compatible to breezy :p
[11:32] <uniq> marzec: replace dapper with breezy in the line and it will be.
[11:33] <Prak> nixternal: no dhcpoffers received
[11:33] <nixternal> does your router have a log?
[11:33] <Prak> nixternal: no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[11:34] <Prak> should be
[11:34] <Prak> hold on
[11:34] <nixternal> what model number on the router again?
[11:34] <Prak> yes
[11:34] <Prak> wgr614v4
[11:34] <Prak> netgear
[11:35] <skipjack> is it oky when my webserver files are only in the same group as my apache ?
[11:35] <marzec> uniq, added it ( was in there already actually ) still no results
[11:36] <uniq> skipjack: i'd recommend that they are not owned by the user or group running apache.
[11:36] <uniq> marzec: after 'apt-get update' you can't find the package?
[11:36] <marzec> jupp
[11:36] <marzec> added it to sources.list
[11:36] <marzec> then apt-get update, then apt-cache search linux-amd64
[11:37] <skipjack> uniq: oky, but It can't be that I must set chmod o+rwx to the files, so that my php script can write on the files and read / displayed them in the webbrowser ?
[11:38] <Prak> nixternal: it has a log
[11:38] <marzec> uniq,  here's the update log http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14804 and here's the sources.list file http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14805
[11:38] <nixternal> you see any thing obvious or no?
[11:38] <uniq> skipjack: if the webserver must write to the files it's ok.
[11:38] <Prak> such as?
[11:38] <uniq> marzec: are you running a amd64 version of ubuntu now?
[11:39] <nixternal> not allowing something to connect?
[11:39] <marzec> uniq, no that's the point :)
[11:39] <Prak> nope
[11:39] <nixternal> also...check out "Attached Devices" under the maintenance heading
[11:39] <skipjack> uniq: yes I use typo3 and I have 3 users .. who have a webside, so they want to install typo3 and typo3 must write on some files, bUt I think it is not a good way to set the right to 777 to this files,
[11:39] <nixternal> do you see the machine in there at all?
[11:39] <skipjack> so that the webinstaller fo typo3 can write to this files ..
[11:39] <Prak> nope
[11:40] <Prak> i see it in the attached devices under windows name for the computer
[11:40] <uniq> marzec: ok, because the thing is that that package is only available for amd64. So for you it won't show.
[11:40] <nixternal> check "Address Reservation" and the LAN IP SETUP area under the Advanced Heading
[11:41] <uniq> skipjack: exactly, 777 is evil. add the files needed to be changed to the group running the webserver, and give that group write access to the files.
[11:41] <Prak> ok
[11:41] <Prak> what next?
[11:42] <nixternal> starting ip and ending ip???   the last numbers are fine in the last box
[11:42] <EvilIdler> suphp is nice if you want to avoid the number of evil
[11:42] <nixternal> any reservations set?
[11:42] <marzec> uniq, why would that depend on wheter i have an amd64 kernel installed atm or not? all i have is the repository url which will allow apt to download a list of packages in that repository so it should show up no matter what
[11:42] <Prak> 2 reservations set
[11:42] <Prak> one for this laptop
[11:42] <EvilIdler> Provided that the scripts are PHP, of course
[11:42] <Prak> the other one for the pc i'm working on
[11:42] <nixternal> not the linux pc correct?
[11:43] <Prak> the linux pc is the same pc for windows; i'm dual-booting it
[11:43] <nixternal> hmmm
[11:43] <nixternal> so it should get the same ip as the windows pc then
[11:43] <nixternal> dual booting...not vmware correct
[11:43] <Prak> but i don't see anything with its address in the log
[11:43] <skipjack> uniq:  yes but that can't be a good way, when I thinking I have a webspace hosting firm. so I think there must be a way to get the files acces from the apache  without setting the group to the group of my apache or?
[11:45] <uniq> skipjack: suexec is what you want. apache got good docs at http://httpd.apache.org
[11:45] <nixternal> hey...get rid of the address reservation for that machine...and reboot the router...lets see if that does anything...because it could be a device name issue
[11:45] <Prak> ok
[11:45] <erov> ok.. tell me one more time.. how do I get amaroK to play mp3s
[11:45] <neoncode> Not realy linux related but how crackable is a wireless network useing a 63 charictor WPA-PSK Key?
[11:46] <erov> i've installed everything i was told, restarted the arts daemon.. everything
[11:46] <uniq> marzec: you'll have to download it manually and dpkg -i it because it's the wrong arch. same goes for the dependencies.
[11:46] <skipjack> uniq: oky lets check ;)
[11:46] <erov> it will act if it's playing an mp3 stream (station) but no sound or "movement" from the visualization bars.. it does count time though
[11:46] <nixternal> an easy wpa-psk key can be quick using something like aircrack
[11:46] <slow-motion> n8
[11:47] <chavo> erov, are you on dapper
[11:47] <erov> yes
[11:47] <Prak> am i still here?
[11:47] <nixternal> ya Prak
[11:47] <chavo> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodec
[11:47] <erov> 6.06 .. one of the last releace candidates
[11:47] <chavo> woops libxine-extracodecs
[11:47] <erov> damn thank you chavo i knew it was something like that
[11:48] <Prak> i got rid of the pc's address reservation
[11:48] <Prak> and rebooted the router
[11:48] <Prak> but nothing has changed
[11:48] <nixternal> hmmm
[11:48] <nixternal> ok
[11:49] <nixternal> type> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:49] <erov> chavo: what repository is that under
[11:49] <chavo> erov, check out this page if youwant some more help with restricted formats https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:49] <nixternal> Prak: if you haven't typed that dont' do that just yet
[11:49] <uniq> erov: to get mp3 support for the arts output plugin you need libmad0 and libarts1-mpeglib
[11:49] <Prak> i've already typed that in
[11:49] <nixternal> lol
[11:49] <nixternal> ok
[11:49] <nixternal> i wanted to do the ifup/down again
[11:49] <chavo> oh you're using arts?
[11:50] <Prak> ok
[11:50] <Prak> sudo ifdown eth0
[11:50] <erov> no xine.. now
[11:50] <Prak> then sudo ifup eth0?
[11:50] <Prak> i've done that
[11:50] <chavo> ok
[11:50] <nixternal> ya...do idown first
[11:50] <Prak> doesn't help
[11:50] <nixternal> ifdown
[11:50] <nixternal> k
[11:50] <chavo> the package is in multiverse
[11:50] <erov> i didnt have multivesrse
[11:50] <uniq> erov: for gstreamer you need libmad0 and gstreamer0.8-mad , and for xine you need libmad0 and libxine1c2, that's for breezy.
[11:50] <erov> thanks guys.. you helped i have it now
[11:50] <chavo> he's on dapper
[11:50] <chavo> cool
[11:50] <erov> i didnt have the multiverse enabled
[11:51] <nixternal> Prak: type>  ping localhost
[11:51] <Prak> ok
[11:51] <Prak> what should i see
[11:51] <Prak> ?
[11:52] <nixternal> should be reporting times
[11:52] <nixternal> no time outs or erros
[11:52] <Prak> there are no timeouts
[11:52] <uniq> well, i'm off to bed. gnite guys.
[11:52] <nixternal> nite uniq
[11:52] <Prak> response time = 0.080 ms
[11:52] <nixternal> ok...network = good
[11:52] <Prak> there's network?
[11:52] <nixternal> yup
[11:52] <nixternal> localhost
[11:52] <Prak> with ubuntu network?
[11:52] <nixternal> that means that nic can ping itself...so the driver = good
[11:52] <Prak> oh
[11:52] <Prak> it's pinging itself?
[11:53] <nixternal> yes
[11:53] <Prak> ok
[11:53] <nixternal> that is just a thing to do to test the nic itself
[11:53] <nixternal> if you type in > ifconfig eth0
[11:53] <nixternal> you dont' have anything in there at all
[11:53] <Prak> no ip address
[11:53] <nixternal> hrm
[11:53] <nixternal> and the static setup never worked either
[11:54] <Prak> that's right
[11:54] <nixternal> but as soon as you boot into windows....everything works fine?
[11:54] <Prak> yes
[11:54] <Prak> although the router keeps on getting disconnected and lagging after multiple reboots of router
[11:55] <Prak> could that be why?
[11:55] <nixternal> i don't see why it would...i mean if on the same machine you boot windows it works fine
[11:56] <Prak> ok
[11:57] <nixternal> in network settings right...lets go in and manually set an ip in there....what is the gateway address again?  the ip that you use to connect to the router?
[11:57] <nixternal> 192.168.0.x
[11:57] <nixternal> 192.168.0.1?
[11:57] <Prak> 192.168.0.1
[11:57] <nixternal> ok...lets manually set the ip in the network settings
[11:57] <Prak> in routes?
[11:57] <nixternal> make the ip 192.168.0.whatever
[11:58] <nixternal> no...not in routes
[11:58] <nixternal> not yet
[11:58] <nixternal> whoa
[11:58] <nixternal> whoa
[11:58] <nixternal> whoa
[11:58] <Prak> ok
[11:58] <nixternal> is there an ip in routes?
[11:58] <Prak> ip address of default gateway
[11:58] <nixternal> ip address of default gateway????  does it show an actual number in routes though?
[11:59] <Prak> no
[11:59] <nixternal> omg...
[11:59] <nixternal> you might have the same problem i had with my laptop
[11:59] <nixternal> LOL
[11:59] <nixternal> type in > 192.168.0.1 in there and set it
[11:59] <Prak> ok
[12:00] <nixternal> i think i had to manually set my route b4 i could get dhcp address...
[12:00] <Prak> this is very troublesome
[12:00] <nixternal> yes it is
[12:00] <nixternal> very very troublesome
[12:01] <visik7> is there a guide to install dapper on a dmcrypt root dir ?
[12:01] <Prak> still can't connect
[12:01] <nixternal> ok...lets manually set an ip then
[12:01] <Prak> ok
[12:01] <nixternal> configure eth0 in the dialog
[12:01] <Prak> ok
[12:02] <nixternal> disable eth0 b4 doing it
[12:02] <Prak> and then type which ip address?
[12:02] <nixternal> make one up...192.168.0.whatever you want
[12:02] <nixternal> different from anything else
[12:02] <Prak> ok