[12:30] <troy_s> who lives?
[12:36] <troy_s> hello who
[12:42] <Who_> hiya
[12:43] <Who_> you know I didn't even know there was an edubuntu-art team!
[12:46] <troy_s> exactly!
[12:46] <troy_s> i just sent off to their admin
[12:46] <troy_s> i am trying to coordinate a little while i have some time off.
[12:46] <troy_s> and before i head off to paris.
[12:47] <troy_s> it would be appreciated if people would post their opinions on the direction to the mailing list.
[12:47] <troy_s> who, give the launchpad site a test, billy says it is broken, but it works fine for me.
[12:48] <troy_s> if it works for you, we can assume it works.
[12:50] <Who_> I'm just drafting an email to the group suggesting that kind of thing should be discussed first...
[12:51] <Who_> I don't know that we needed another group, though I'm glad you took the inititive to do _something_!
[12:51] <Who_> especially things like who has what role on Launchpad...
[12:59] <bersace> troy_s: you go to paris ?
[12:59] <bersace> i live in paris
[01:03] <Who_> Where in Paris? I was there a few weeks ago
[01:12] <bersace> Who_: Paris XII
[01:13] <bersace> near Gare de Lyon
[01:13] <bersace> Bercy
[01:13] <bersace> Bibliothque Franois Mitterand
[01:27] <Who_> Ahh, that helps :) My girlfriend and I went to a film at MK2, someome told us it had 'sofas' but we were a little underwhelmed
[01:38] <Who_> Anyone seen this bug - it is hilarious
[01:38] <Who_> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/45241
[01:52] <troy_s> hello
[01:52] <troy_s> yes i am going to paris
[01:52] <troy_s> sorry guys, i was across the street
[01:52] <troy_s> anything been happening?
[01:52] <troy_s> more insanity on the mailing list?
[01:53] <Who_> have a look :)
[01:53] <Who_> we got our first few bugs assigned to us
[01:53] <troy_s> oh lord that is hilarious
[01:53] <troy_s> really?
[01:54] <troy_s> oh MAN that is hilarious.
[01:55] <Who_> yea, I caouldn't berlieve it!
[01:55] <Who_> I'm just attempting a new close icon
[01:56] <Who_> but Inkscape keeps crashing!
[01:57] <Who_> in fact, wouldn't it just be better to revert the close icon?
[02:09] <Who_> Anyone got any optinions on the close icon?
[02:09] <troy_s> hey who
[02:10] <troy_s> are you interested in sharing the volume i would expect?
[02:10] <troy_s> cuz we have admins
[02:10] <troy_s> and i basically stuck everyone who had the ability to 
[02:10] <troy_s> sign up to the list on the admins sheet
[02:10] <troy_s> i think it is easier if everyone shares...
[02:10] <troy_s> anyways...
[02:10] <troy_s> need to add a task to launchpad
[02:10] <troy_s> henrik has a request.
[02:13] <troy_s> hey et
[02:13] <troy_s> i think we should add it as a specification with a link to the wiki
[02:13] <troy_s> i just put an anchor in there.
[02:17] <Who_> am I missing something - what should we add as a specification?
[02:17] <Who_> and what is 'sharing the volume you would expect'?
[02:19] <Who_> ahh, yea, I got you :)
[02:19] <Who_> I tried an I couldn't think of anything that fitted better there - the only thing that looked vaugely ok was a 'rising' logo (like a rising sun) that you could see half of...
[02:28] <troy_s> i added one
[02:28] <troy_s> check the laucnchpat
[02:31] <Who_> how long did it take?
[02:42] <troy_s> not long
[02:42] <troy_s> about three seonds
[02:42] <troy_s> we need to spread the word
[02:43] <troy_s> at least, try to get the edubuntu folks on board too as they apparently create.
[02:45] <bersace> troy_s: what do you think about viper550 Frozen theme ?
[02:47] <troy_s> haven't looked at it... i think it is far far far down the list to be evaluating themes, but at least he is accomplishing something.
[02:47] <troy_s> only glanced at it.
[02:47] <troy_s> i am personally fond of rounded windows.
[02:47] <troy_s> hey bersace
[02:47] <bersace> yep ?
[02:47] <troy_s> can you figure out how to mail everyone in the list?
[02:47] <troy_s> on the ubuntu-artwork 
[02:47] <troy_s> team listing?
[02:48] <bersace> don't understand what you want ?
[02:48] <troy_s> it would be useful to point everyone to new tasks (listed under specifications)
[02:48] <troy_s> well have a peep
[02:48] <troy_s> i put the henrik task
[02:48] <troy_s> into the wiki
[02:48] <bersace> i read
[02:48] <troy_s> and posted it as a feature request spec (as close as it is useful right now)
[02:48] <bersace> i may do something monday
[02:48] <troy_s> but it didn't notify the team yet...
[02:48] <bersace> (here, it's sunder 2 am)
[02:48] <troy_s> which means that people don't know that a task needs attacking.
[02:48] <bersace> sunday
[02:48] <troy_s> laf.
[02:48] <troy_s> yah
[02:49] <troy_s> but all i want to know is that the launchpad system is working
[02:49] <troy_s> apparently bugs work fine :)
[02:49] <troy_s> but we need to know when someone dumps a task
[02:49] <bersace> did you saw ubuntu-artwork hackergotchi ?
[02:50] <troy_s> ???
[02:50] <troy_s> no
[02:50] <troy_s> what?
[02:52] <bersace> the big logo
[02:52] <bersace> on lp/u-a
[02:52] <bersace> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-artwork
[02:52] <troy_s> oh yah
[02:52] <troy_s> its cute.
[02:53] <bersace> as you saw at /People, i can do web artwork
[02:53] <bersace> did you read WideTheme ?
[02:53] <troy_s> yep
[02:53] <bersace> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Content/WideThemeDraft
[02:54] <bersace> thanks for renaming
[02:54] <bersace> i forgot the "Web design" in the distributor part
[02:54] <bersace> and henrik give us the proof that this is part of our work :)
[02:55] <bersace> added
[02:56] <bersace> let's have a rest
[02:56] <bersace> see you monday
[03:57] <troy_s> heyas mad
[03:57] <Madpilot> hi troy_s 
[03:58] <troy_s> moved your draft to contents
[03:58] <troy_s> hope you don't mind too much
[03:58] <troy_s> i think et had a go at it.
[04:17] <troy_s> someone else offer henrik a few options?
[04:17] <Madpilot> my draft of what?
[04:43] <Who_> troy_s: How do I attach something to the wiki?
[04:45] <Madpilot> Who_, look at the dropdown menu by the "Edit" link
[04:45] <Madpilot> top of every page
[04:45] <Who_> thankee
[04:46] <Who_> seems weird that menu isn't there when you're editing - unless I'm missing it  (happened once, can happen again!)
[04:47] <Madpilot> I don't think it is. You've got to save your current edit to attach an image.
[04:47] <Madpilot> then edit again to actually get your image (or the link to it) visible.
[04:47] <Who_> yea, a little convoluted - but seems to work ok
[04:55] <troy_s> it is at least a step
[04:55] <troy_s> how's everyone?
[04:55] <troy_s> jabber server been up and down all day... driving me nuts.
[04:55] <troy_s> 19:43:59) Who_: troy_s: How do I attach something to the wiki?
[04:55] <troy_s> You can also 
[04:55] <troy_s> type
[04:55] <troy_s> attachment:name_whatever.blah
[04:55] <troy_s> and it will give you a link to attach stuffs.
[04:56] <Who_> nice
[04:56] <Madpilot> nice trick - thanks, troy_s 
[04:56] <troy_s> i didn't know there was an edit command :)
[04:56] <troy_s> laf.
[04:56] <troy_s> well you learn something every day
[04:56] <troy_s> is that the image henrik wants???
[04:57] <troy_s> it isn't terribly clear... but it would be nice if everyone could contribute something
[04:57] <troy_s> i'm sure mich will...
[05:02] <Who_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Content/Sandbox
[05:03] <Who_> I have updated mine quite a bit
[05:03] <Who_> thoughts?
[05:05] <Madpilot> what are these tabs for? The main website?
[05:07] <Who_> indeed: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Tasks
[05:09] <Madpilot> ah, for the front page. Cool.
[05:09] <troy_s> Just updated
[05:09] <troy_s> someone posted a bug to the group
[05:10] <Who_> which bug? the close button one?
[05:10] <Who_> cos that isn't really us who can solve it
[05:13] <troy_s> did you read the 
[05:13] <troy_s> comments?
[05:14] <Madpilot> on the sandbox page, who did the righthand tab?
[05:15] <Madpilot> we're not supposed to be rotating the Ubuntu logo as was done there, just fyi
[05:15] <troy_s> ???
[05:15] <troy_s> where
[05:16] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Content/Sandbox - righthand of the two tab images
[05:16] <troy_s> ahh i see your point
[05:16] <troy_s> you had best leave a comment mad
[05:16] <troy_s> i think who is still here
[05:17] <Who_> oh, really
[05:17] <Who_> thanks
[05:17] <Who_> I'm just about to go to bed - the birds have started singing!
[05:18] <Who_> it really looks worse otherwise. No matter, I'll submit another
[05:18] <Madpilot> comment left
[05:19] <troy_s> thanks mad
[05:19] <troy_s> you running dapper mad?
[05:20] <Madpilot> not yet
[05:20] <Madpilot> might upgrade on Monday, to beat the massive rush on the servers on the 1st
[05:20] <troy_s> yah...
[05:20] <troy_s> cuz the box icon is cropped
[05:20] <troy_s> but i can't realistically see how scaling it wouldn't fix it.
[05:23] <Who_> box icon?
[05:24] <troy_s> yah its the close box icon
[05:24] <troy_s> for tabs
[05:24] <troy_s> in gaim
[05:24] <troy_s> epiphany
[05:24] <troy_s> etc.
[05:24] <troy_s> it incorrectly gets cropped
[05:28] <Who_> yea, I would have called it the close icon ;)
[05:28] <Who_> And imho it isn't very nice either!
[05:29] <Who_> I think if they want to orangify it then they should use trans bg with orange cross...
[05:29] <Who_> or perhaps they just need to work out the sizing. 
[05:30] <Who_> right.bed for me. talk soon
[07:09] <DShepherd> hey
[07:09] <DShepherd> :-)
[07:18] <troy_s> greetings
[07:20] <DShepherd> i have a query about the defualt ubuntu theme..
[07:20] <DShepherd> are you the guys responsible for the human theme?
[07:20] <troy_s> probably want to direct it to the mailing list.
[07:20] <troy_s> that seems to be the most appropriate place currently.
[07:21] <DShepherd> ok
[07:21] <troy_s> you know where to find it eh?
[07:21] <DShepherd> mailing list please :-)
[07:21] <DShepherd> i could dig..
[07:21] <troy_s> wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam
[07:21] <troy_s> try that
[07:21] <DShepherd> or you could tell me
[07:21] <troy_s> hopefully it is clear.
[07:22] <DShepherd> ok
[07:23] <DShepherd> troy_s: you running dapper? with the ubuntu default theme?
[07:25] <troy_s> yep
[07:25] <troy_s> slightly modified bars
[07:25] <troy_s> but yah
[07:26] <DShepherd> how u liking the orange close icon?
[07:26] <troy_s> what's up?
[07:26] <DShepherd> in gedit
[07:26] <DShepherd> and gaim
[07:29] <troy_s> yep
[07:29] <troy_s> let me guess
[07:29] <troy_s> the close down boxes
[07:29] <troy_s> the orange x thing
[07:29] <troy_s> ?
[07:30] <troy_s> laf... sorry, scrolled back and saw it.
[07:30] <troy_s> it's been listed as a bug
[07:30] <troy_s> i suspect someone will scale it appropriately.
[07:30] <troy_s> or alter it back.
[07:30] <troy_s> there is some issue between the image size and the proper drawing in gtk
[07:34] <DShepherd> oh thank the Heavens..
[07:34] <DShepherd> cause i was getting worried
[07:38] <troy_s> but don't take my word for it.
[07:38] <troy_s> i think it needs to be addressed
[07:38] <troy_s> locating the exact folks is a bit tricky...
[07:38] <troy_s> gtk bug might be a good start.
[07:40] <DShepherd> troy_s: ok
[07:41] <DShepherd> someone has to see it.. its so obvious.. and so not kool.
[07:41] <DShepherd> ubuntu has to be kool.. my eyes depend on it
[07:41] <DShepherd> s/on/upon
[07:47] <troy_s> yep.  agree
[10:34] <msikma> Hey guys
[10:35] <msikma> The mailing list sure has become a little difficult to read overnight. Lots of people talking about all kinds of things, v550 again working on a new theme, website artwork requests...
[03:24] <seb27842> I got some questions about the Ubuntu Palette
[03:24] <seb27842> maybe someone here could help me
[04:05] <lapo> try to ask
[04:13] <klepas> moin
[04:13] <lapo> ciao klepas, how do you do?
[04:13] <klepas> ah, alright
[04:13] <klepas> i'll be right back
[04:17] <seb27842> What are the blue and the green colours on the palette for?
[04:18] <seb27842> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-palette.png
[04:21] <lapo> for blue and green stuff? :-)
[04:21] <seb27842> and that is
[04:22] <seb27842> good answer :)
[04:23] <seb27842> It's just that I have not seen much blue and green stuff in ubuntu or at the webpage
[04:23] <klepas> the colour palette is not restricted to the warm brown and orange tones
[04:23] <klepas> well look at the destkop :)
[04:23] <klepas> there is some blue and gree within the icons and so forth
[04:25] <klepas> for example the Applications menu
[04:26] <klepas> icons such as Accessability or Sound and Video feature prominent amounts of blue
[04:41] <troy_s> greetz all
[04:42] <troy_s> hey klepas
[04:42] <troy_s> can you document that at the wiki in short form?
[04:42] <troy_s> perhaps under agenda / dapper opinions
[04:46] <klepas> not at the moment
[04:47] <klepas> i prefer not to touch the wiki or launchpad until post dapper
[04:47] <troy_s> ok.   that's unfortunate.
[04:48] <klepas> with the current level of chaos i am going to wait until things get organised
[04:50] <troy_s> well the organization isn't going to manifest out of the ether.
[04:51] <troy_s> and thus far, there hasn't been many strides made to push things forwards.  i would suggest that if everyone picked up a small portion of the work, things can get back on track.
[04:51] <klepas> post dapper
[04:51] <troy_s> i have contacted henrik and am working to resolve a few issues
[04:51] <klepas> we will meet and discuss this
[04:52] <troy_s> the need for cohesive artwork team contribution goes on.
[04:52] <troy_s> and a meeting is fine, but it needs to be organized.  launchpad's joel hasn't responded to the poll request by mark, so i suggest that everyone else needs to pick up the slack.
[05:01] <seb27842> "there is some blue and gree within the icons and so fort" yes there is ;)
[05:02] <seb27842> What is highlight, base, medium, accent, toner and shadow?
[05:06] <seb27842> What are they used for?
[05:09] <klepas> for example, highlights are the colours used for the glassy effects on the reflective properties of icons
[05:09] <klepas> shades are... shades
[05:09] <klepas> and so forth :)
[05:12] <seb27842> Maybe you could explain medium, accent and toner to me. I tried to look up accent in a dictionary but couldn't find the right definition :)
[05:14] <troy_s> Clarity certain is required.
[05:17] <seb27842> Were you talking to me?
[05:19] <troy_s> seb:  Yes I think we need to get some more specifics regarding that rather outdated official artwork guide.
[05:20] <seb27842> ok, but the color palette, is it outdated?
[05:24] <troy_s> Well it is still listed as the 'official'.
[05:24] <troy_s> So as a community, we can only assume such.
[05:34] <seb27842> I still need to know what medium, accent and toner is?
[05:36] <klepas> seb27842: which page are you getting this from? :)
[05:41] <seb27842> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-palette.png
[07:26] <Firebird8> why is this channel not registered...
[07:27] <Firebird8> http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4461/rythm5uv.png <rythm box icon
[07:28] <Firebird8> hello
[07:48] <troy_s> greetz firebird
[07:49] <troy_s> sorry... not exactly at the box.
[07:49] <Firebird8> hm?
[07:49] <Firebird8> no no
[07:49] <Firebird8> just for fun
[07:50] <troy_s> You following the mailing list?
[07:50] <Firebird8> yea
[07:50] <troy_s> I suspect that a meeting is to happen shortly, if all the bickering can subside.
[07:50] <Firebird8> mail listings are the bug reports?
[07:51] <Firebird8> what will happen to the ubuntu wiki artwork team?
[07:51] <troy_s> nothing 
[07:52] <troy_s> i just hope that everyone who can participate intermittently will 
[07:52] <troy_s> manifest
[07:52] <troy_s> there is a lot of information that is outdated etc
[07:52] <troy_s> and it will need some attention
[07:57] <Firebird8> where is the human window border files kept
[07:57] <troy_s> window borders are the domain of metacity i believe...
[07:57] <troy_s> you can tweak using widget factory
[07:57] <Firebird8> widget factory...
[07:57] <troy_s> www.gnome-look.org has a pretty good repository
[07:57] <troy_s> yep
[07:58] <troy_s> check the link in teh wiki that etienne established
[07:58] <troy_s> it shows widget factory at work
[07:58] <troy_s> and gnome-look should help you get it compiled.
[07:58] <Firebird8> ive seen it
[07:58] <Firebird8> it reqiures compiling
[07:58] <troy_s> because I don't believe it is in the repos.
[07:58] <Firebird8> :|
[07:58] <troy_s> although it is probably somewehre
[07:58] <troy_s> compiling is no big deal
[07:58] <troy_s> you will enjoy it once you get your way around it.
[07:58] <Firebird8> last time i tried it failed
[07:58] <troy_s> you will need build-essential
[07:58] <Firebird8> got it
[07:58] <troy_s> yah... i'd step you thru it but i am out the door
[07:58] <troy_s> let me see if i can find you alink
[07:59] <Firebird8> so ubuntu is set to realease July 1st
[07:59] <troy_s> generally though,
[08:00] <troy_s> when you engage in compiling
[08:00] <troy_s> the easiest thing is to try a
[08:00] <troy_s> ./configure
[08:00] <troy_s> make
[08:00] <troy_s> make install
[08:00] <troy_s> when make fails,
[08:00] <troy_s> it is usually because you are missing a dependency
[08:00] <troy_s> and HOPEFULLY that depend is in the repository
[08:00] <troy_s> and will just require adding
[08:00] <troy_s> dependency-dev
[08:00] <Firebird8> http://www.ubuntu.com/include/testing/flight5/ubuntulooks-big.png < that thing
[08:00] <troy_s> is the title
[08:00] <troy_s> yup
[08:01] <Firebird8> mmm no link
[08:01] <troy_s> http://www.stellingwerff.com/?p=9
[08:01] <troy_s> try there...
[08:01] <Firebird8> found it
[08:01] <troy_s> and start with your first error
[08:01] <troy_s> work your way through compiling error by erry
[08:02] <troy_s> i'll offer you help when i am back bro.
[08:02] <troy_s> out for a while...
[08:02] <troy_s> take care.
[08:03] <Firebird8> makeing
[08:03] <Firebird8> bye
[10:04] <Firebird8> theres a slight problem with the network connection monitor
[10:04] <Firebird8> icon
[10:06] <msikma> There is?
[10:06] <msikma> What kind of problem?