=== Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:08] is there anyway i can revert back to the old pmount before i upgrade? [12:09] upgraded? [12:10] Are you sure pmount is your problem? It hasn't been updated since May 11, and it's been working fine for all my removeable media. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan_ is now known as shackan [12:11] infinity: well it my external drive worked fine on the liveCD and the install cd RC1 then i did a upgrade all and now it doent work [12:11] Right, well, pmount on the RC desktop CD is the same as the pmount on your system. [12:11] hmm [12:12] infinity: so what else could be the problem? [12:12] hal maybe? [12:13] hal hasn't had an update since RC either. I'm trying to see if anything interesting has... [12:14] infinity: does it log somewhere what i upgrade? === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] glick: /var/log/dpkg.log === ub_ [n=ub@c213-100-54-133.swipnet.se] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:15] <_ion> gtk_widget_show(windata->summary_label); gtk_widget_show(windata->body_label); [12:15] <_ion> Sorry, wrong chan. [12:16] I'm not seeing anything uploaded since RC that would account for your issue.. [12:16] Oh well. I guess I'll let pitti catch your pmount bug and debug it with you. [12:17] what perms /dev/fuse should have ? [12:17] i'd like to use sshfs as nomrmal user without each time chmod it .. [12:18] yeah i dont get it [12:18] should i try a reinstall or something? [12:18] hm damn is a mystery for the ages [12:21] could i have done something screwy? [12:23] nomed, please use #ubuntu for support [12:23] Seveas, i wanted to figure out if it's an udev issue .. first .. [12:23] i'll google [12:24] it's not, you have to add yourself to the fuse group === cassidy [n=cassidy@180.170-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] Seveas, i maybe need to reboot even if it looks strange .. because even if i'm in fuse group i can't use /dev/fuse [12:29] i can just in case i set it as root:admin === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] did you logout+login after adding yourself to the fuse group? [12:33] do i have to maybe add myself to the fuse group? === nomed [n=nomed@82.52.58.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] nah cause i get kernel error messages === nomed [n=nomed@82.52.58.73] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] Seveas, it looks like i need to use same user name as user@host [12:39] if i use "user1@ubuntu# sshfs user2@host: /mount/point" [12:39] it doesn't work [12:40] it works with "user2@ubuntu# sshfs user2@host: /mount/point" [12:41] Worked last I tried. But try setting the user in ssh config if all else fails. [12:45] works fine for me too, i can mount dkaarsem@remote even when I'm dennis@local [12:51] jdub, can you pop the trunk on that ubuntu-website mailing list? === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-11-72.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-24.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theCore [n=alex@modemcable084.216-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] yeah i have no idea where the bug could lie, its prolly not pmount after all [01:16] cause pmount wasnt updated [01:16] damn === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === shackan_ [n=shackan@host191-137.pool8255.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Howdy === anselmolsm [n=ra015518@barney.lab.ic.unicamp.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === shackan__ [n=shackan@host97-144.pool873.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:46] hey [01:48] Heya Chuck, what's happening? [01:49] not much...just watcihing nation geographic === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA828.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-11-72.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-39-247.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] excuse me where can i look for individual packages? [02:34] im looking for an older kernel package [02:34] the -22 kernel === whiprush [n=jorge@c-68-60-158-29.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F448B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] does anyone know how i can rollback my kernel a version? [02:49] glick: you might want #ubuntu [02:53] how do you change the title of a bug? [02:53] thsi bug ahs such a horriblke title theres been 6 duplicates including mine :) [02:53] ah, "Edit Description" === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-215-175.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] Yep [02:59] Heya Lathiat === Quintok [i=Quintok@40.173.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] howdy bddebian === ptlo [n=senko@83.131.71.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-24.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200216151043.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] zul, are you in Canada? [03:56] yep [03:56] zul, are you on ubuntu-ca and in #ubuntu-ca ? [03:56] im on the wiki and not in #ubuntu-ca yet [04:04] Heya Burgundavia [04:05] salut bddebian === darius_ [i=darius@integrity.bourg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] Riddell: we have some translated desktop files for khelpcenter/kubuntu-docs in our repo now. if you can upload, that would rock. === hollowlife1987 [n=hollow@12-214-79-58.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] good morning === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.183] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bronson [n=bronson@pool-71-162-100-52.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rgould [n=rgould@S010600014a5e5049.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-165-221-208.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.113.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phil_ [n=phil@185.54.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] howdy all -- anyone here inclined to comment on the current state of bcm43xx support in dapper? [07:10] phil_, it is included, what else do you need to know? [07:10] whether it's considered complete, bleeding-edge, or somewhere in between [07:11] i.e., whether it's expected that many people will still have to use ndiswrapper for bcm43xx under dapper final [07:11] phil_, I believe it is recommended you use bcm43xx [07:11] it has been included in the mainstream kernel as of .16 [07:13] that i did know, but between the device i'm working with now and the posts i'd seen on the forums, it seemed like the module was there but not really working yet [07:13] but if it is considered working, i'll go look for support info [07:15] would it be inappropriate to ask if any particular urls come to mind which would document this specific feature of dapper from a dev standpoint? [07:16] afaik, there is no documentation [07:16] cool, that still helps. thx! [07:17] oh, and being new to ubuntu, if i should find anything useful, where should i bring it? here? === theCore [n=alex@modemcable084.216-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi- [n=nozamosi@h55n6c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:10] is it too late for network-manager bugs? [08:12] it's never too late to report bugs... [08:12] but it doesn't mean they will be solved between now and next week [08:13] :) [08:14] its pretty trivial to fix IMHO [08:14] some wifi cards (like mine, bcm 34xx) require down-up cycle after hibernation === phil_ [n=phil@185.54.cm.sunflower.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] network-mangaer doesn't know about hibernation but it could perform the down-up cycle on manual 'select network' request === nikusan [n=dan@d211-31-74-119.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey_ [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-65-28.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:19] ping Riddell [09:20] high urgent ping to Riddell :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] Good morning [09:23] hi pitti [09:23] glatzor: it's not even 8.30am on a sunday morning over there, you know... [09:23] Hobbsee: i am utc+2 :) [09:24] glatzor: bah. whatever that equals. timezones should be obliviated. [09:24] yes, let us have sun at midnight! [09:24] Hi Hobbsee === highvoltage [n=Jono@mtngprs7.mtn.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:40] evening jsgotangco [09:41] hey mr jerome :) [09:43] hello [09:43] how's the weekend treating you two? [09:44] very well, thanks :) [09:44] been productive [09:48] highvoltage: did you see the email of corey regarding the download link === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Bye!] [09:53] just seen it, will get to that just now === jsmock [n=jsmock@195.158.181.123] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsmock [n=jsmock@195.158.181.123] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=ubuntu@host9-121.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dborg [n=daniel@e182058154.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-095-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950AFEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.7.48.175] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:32] hi === skyrider [n=Alexey@82.211.138.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === msikma [n=omega@s55933ad4.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Quintok [n=quintok@40.173.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@80-41-23-7.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p548955A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] morning all [10:52] morning [10:55] hey skyrider , been while since I last saw you in here :) [10:55] yes, long, long time ago :( [10:56] I'm more active in ubuntu-ru community then in english community === jsg123 [n=jsg123@125.212.117.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.113.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] skyrider: cool === jsg123 [n=jsg123@125.212.117.46] has joined #ubuntu-devel === saispo [n=saispo@ryu.zarb.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zauberer [n=Miranda@ppp-88-217-36-108.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:01] so, is there a RHN (Redhat Network) equivalent coming out some time after dapper release? [12:01] tepsipakki: sort of [12:01] tepsipakki: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2006/05/26/mark-shuttleworth-interview-part-i-on-dapper-and-ubuntu-in-the-enterprise/ [12:01] that's what I just read :) [12:02] that's the only public mention of it thus far. :-) [12:02] heh [12:03] I understand it is a service that costs something, like RHN [12:04] we'll have to wait and see ;) [12:05] that would make sense, there's still room for a free "alternative" whatever pops out of ServerCandy [12:05] jdub: I'll be your best friend if you change my blog details on planet [12:05] c'mon, that's a good offer [12:05] mdke: oh, i mustn't have pushed that up! [12:07] hi mdke ... [12:07] is it too late to fix an issue in xubuntu doc ? [12:07] http://help.ubuntu.com/6.06/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/multimedia.html [12:08] xubuntu doesn't need that gstreamer stuff ... [12:08] nomed: probably too late, yes. best to contact the author [12:08] or at least it should be explained it'll be needed incase user will install some other player .. [12:08] ok === mdke chuckles at the name "Gnome Bling Manager" [12:15] ping Riddell [12:15] mdke, heh [12:16] its *bling* [12:16] great word, bling [12:16] skyrider: hello [12:16] glatzor: hello [12:16] I just read your question at #translators [12:16] skyrider: do you refer to the GNOME or KDE desktop? [12:16] glatzor: and? [12:16] GNOME of course === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke hugs jdub and declares eternal best-friendship [12:19] skyrider: hm. the term should be "Administration" and is located in the gnome-menus package [12:20] skyrider: I will try to check it in rosetta now. Because I don't have my Ubuntu here. [12:21] skyrider: the string shouldn't be "system settings" === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-238-234.nr.ip.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] could you provide a screenshot if you are on ubuntu again? [12:22] glatzor: of course. It will be later in the evening. [12:24] Man, insane. I put my laptop on an online market place and in half an hour time, I got four phone calls about it. [12:27] glatzor: hi [12:27] good morning Riddell [12:27] Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/koffice-i18n/+bug/47057 [12:27] Malone bug 47057 in koffice-i18n "koffice-i18n version not in sync with koffice" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [12:28] I could narrow down the koffice translation issue [12:29] hey Riddell, did you get my hilight last night? We have some translated desktop files for kubuntu-docs in the repo. Dunno if it is too late for you to upload them, would be great if you could. [12:29] glatzor: we need to talk to carlos about this [12:29] mdke: I'll take a look, thanks [12:29] Riddell: furthermore I don't understand how the translation of koffice in rosetta works: the KDE translations are in universe and koffice itself is located in main === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] glatzor: they go into the language-packs like all the other rosetta translations [12:31] Riddell: no. this is not the case [12:31] Riddell: take a look at: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=kexi.mo&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386 [12:34] jdub: the url is slightly wrong, it has the url to the feed rather than to the blog. But thanks for adding, at any rate (I also need to figure out why it isn't dated the same as on my blog, but I haven't really looked at dates with pybloxsom yet). [12:35] Riddell: sorry, ok it is in language-pack-kde-de-base. but this was not found by the packages.ubuntu.com [12:36] packages.ubuntu.com doesn't know the contents of dapper packages [12:38] mdke: it gets what you give it :) [12:38] jdub: oh, my bad then. [12:38] mdke: <- fix that [12:39] mdke: or better still, use the rss plugin [12:40] i'll check it out [12:41] jdub: I was using rss2renderer.py === mdke reads it [12:42] mdke: oh. why was it pushing out (broken) rss 0.9? [12:42] god knows === joelbryan [n=joelbrya@210.213.175.15] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:47] jdub: you know what, I've given you the wrong url. [12:47] jdub: should be rss2.xml [12:49] rss2renderer uses index.rss by default... [12:50] jdub: i changed it and forgot I had done so, sorry. index.rss must be getting pushed out by something else [12:50] can you give rss2renderer a list of names? :) [12:51] jdub: don't think so. I think it is index.rss2 by default, and I set it to rss2.xml [12:51] mdke: (meanwhile, it's probably worth fixing any kind of crap output) [12:52] jdub: isn't the output at rss2.xml working? === jdub spanks mdke for using pyblosxom anyway :0 [12:52] ;) === mdke prefers custard to spanking [12:53] mdke: btw, your Ipodlinux link is " " [12:53] thanks [12:56] Riddell: the KDE upstream translation coordinator just pointed me to incomplete translations of amarok, too. === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] Riddell: amarok only seems to affect only the German ones. koffice all languages. [12:59] glatzor: Today I've heard from one of our russian translators that Russian translation of amarok is screwed. [12:59] But probably it fixed it by uploading .po [01:00] I didn't checked it though [01:00] s/it fixed/he fixed/ === sivang wonders why nautilus source pkg doesn't apply some of the patches in the debian/patches dir. it's using simple-patchsys.mk [01:01] sivang: maybe they don't end in .patch or .diff? === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] pitti: lemme check [01:05] pitti: looking into 93_upstream_nautilus-dnd-user-owned.patch , it ends with patch still when trying to create a new patch, as in "$ cdbs-edit-patch 120_copy_not_move_from_readonly" I don't see it applied and see the source is untouched where this patch should apply [01:05] sivang: 120 < 93 in asciibet [01:05] jdub: much better, thanks, and sorry [01:05] sivang: simple-patchsys doesn't know about numeric ordering (neither does dpatch) [01:05] ah, crap [01:05] sivang: use 093 and 120 if you depend on numerical ordering [01:06] pitti: k, thanks alot I will do that :-) === sivang thanks at least it's not using dpatch [01:10] pitti: can I use z_my_patch_name instead? [01:10] pitti: (putting Z only to make it applied after all patches have been) [01:11] sivang: why not just use a smaller patch number, like 23_foo? nautilus does not have so many patches [01:11] sivang: if people name a patch with a very high number (90_foo), they usually *want* it to be applied last [01:11] pitti: okay, makes sense. /me does that === spacey_ [n=herman@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] pitti: hmm, my issues is actually, that my patch must come after 93_upstream_nautilus-dnd-user-owned.patch [01:12] sivang: so what, use 94_foo then [01:13] pitti: there's already patches from 93-101 [01:13] thanks, skyrider [01:14] sivang: doesn't matter :) 94_foo and 94_bar will work fine === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-13-71.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] glatzor: np [01:14] pitti: okay, just wanted to make sure of that. thanks! [01:14] sivang: however, 99_foo and 101_foo doesn't look right; poke the person who introduced that :) [01:17] pitti: you looked into the source ? :) [01:17] sivang: no === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glick [n=dbunch@cpe-24-193-237-24.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] hmm apprently killall doesnt work in dapper === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] i cant kill my own processes? [01:32] kill doesnt work [01:32] killall doesnt work [01:32] not even as root [01:33] it absolutely works [01:33] try a kill -9 [01:33] tseng: killall telnet <- should kill all my telnet processes right? [01:33] especially if im root? [01:34] lol it doesnt work [01:34] <_ion> Telnet? Eww. [01:34] it should, but there is no guarantee that sending a signal to a process makes it die instantly [01:34] if at all [01:34] tseng: a process cant catch or ingore a term signal [01:34] <_ion> Since when? [01:35] ok, good luck with that then [01:35] _ion: what do you mean since when? [01:35] <_ion> Why would a process not be able to catch SIGTERM? [01:35] _ion: i mean sigquit [01:35] or sigkill [01:36] you mean sigkill [01:36] <_ion> % foo() { echo foo }; trap foo QUIT; kill -QUIT $$ [01:36] <_ion> foo [01:36] and if a process doesn't die with -9, then it's a kernel problem [01:36] killall sends the kill signal doesnt it === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] glick, no [01:36] it sends term by default [01:36] use the -9, luke [01:37] in the future this sort of thing should go to #ubuntu [01:37] it really should [01:37] damn [01:37] ok [01:37] but there is nothing wrong with kill, you just misunderstand it [01:37] i feel stupid [01:37] heh [01:37] thanks [01:37] and telnet is being a pain === xecto [n=xecto@simmu1-64-61.utaonline.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shackan [n=shackan@host108-92.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua_ [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === besonen_ [n=besonen_@dsl-db.pacinfo.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xecto [n=xecto@dsl-26-183.utaonline.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] hey where can i put a feature request into gnome? [02:14] glick, the gnome wiki, or write a spec on launchpad [02:16] sfllaw: ping === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] hey highvoltage , 'sup? [02:26] sivang: hey, long time no see :) [02:26] highvoltage: yes, how are you doing ? [02:26] glick: bugzilla.gnome.org [02:27] doing well, we're getting the edubuntu website in shape for release. lots of work! :) [02:28] jdub: its not a bug report ihave [02:28] just a idea for a feature thatd be cool [02:28] glick: bugzilla is not just for bug reports (have a look) [02:29] <_ion> /summon mvo [02:30] highvoltage: it's also Moin based right? like the main ubuntu site [02:30] _ion, its sunday [02:30] _ion, give him his well deserved rest :) [02:30] sivang: used to be, it's now drupal [02:31] ah, drupal is also cool [02:31] my soon to be active blog is using it [02:31] still haven't figured all the features and possibilities [02:31] <_ion> Well, i posted a fixed theme to bug #46642, anyone's free to inspect it and possibly include it in the package. :-) [02:31] Malone bug 46642 in notification-daemon "Panel notification appears too low, distorts bubble" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46642 === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] mdz: I'd like to remove openoffice-kde from amd64, it's broken and stops the file open dialogue from working === piras1 [n=pirast@p508B37D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === piras1 [n=pirast@p508B37D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA8EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] Riddell: An OOo-amd64 upload will be pending after the current ppc/i386 upload goes up, so if there's concensus on this, we can do it then. [03:07] Riddell: Note that removing packages doesn't magically make them get uninstalled, mind you. So it may just be better to exclude it from your -desktop seed so new installs don't get it, and leave it at that. === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] infinity: I was just meaning from the desktop seed === kent [n=kent@kr-lun-89-144-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] Riddell: how long has it been broken? is there a bug open? [03:11] mdz: quite a while, I remember there being a bug I can try and find the number [03:11] Riddell: I thought the only OOo/KDE issue was with skim/scim... I didn't realise the whole shebang was broken. [03:12] Riddell: was it installed and/or broken in breezy as well? [03:13] infinity, mdz: it worked in breezy, but seems to have regressed to not finding qt/kde widgets in dapper and openoffice now tries to use the native file dialogue which just doesn't do anything on amd64 [03:14] mdz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14774 <- psycopg debdiff; I tested it very carefully and made sure that this is the only usage of \' (fixes bug 46473) [03:14] Malone bug 46473 in psycopg "psycopg needs quoting fix" [Critical,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/46473 [03:15] Riddell: you need to do a seed merge & metapackage update for landscape anyway, so fine with me [03:15] sort of disturbing that it's remained an issue for so long though [03:16] Riddell: Are we sure this doesn't just need an update of ia32-libs-kde to include a few more libraries? (Which would also, afaik, fix the OOo-amd64/KDE/skim issue?) [03:16] pitti: that code is pretty hideous [03:17] infinity: it would also need doko_'s patch to qt to find the lib32 directory [03:17] mdz: you mean the comparison with space and ~? yes :) [03:18] Riddell: Right, which is likely too intrusive at this point. Feh. [03:18] yep [03:19] pitti: yes [03:20] We can't force openoffice.org-amd64 off users' systems without some pretty large headaches. [03:20] (So we won't) [03:20] mdz: true, but that's not really something I'd like to change at this point [03:20] pitti: I don't really understand the fix though [03:20] Riddell: So, be prepared to field a lot of "it broke on upgrade, argh" bug reports. [03:20] it was replacing ' with \', now it replaces ' with ''? [03:20] mdz: right [03:20] pitti: that doesn't seem like it would have the same effect [03:20] mdz: '' is traditional SQL escaping for ' [03:20] mdz: the 'why' is a long story; http://www.postgresql.org/docs/techdocs.50 gives details, if you are interested [03:21] mdz: with some client encodings, you can abuse \' escaping to sql injection, which is why psql now disables it by default for these client encodings [03:21] so if I have a string foo'bar and I want to quote it, it would be 'foo''bar'? [03:21] mdz: also, \' is not SQL standard, '' is [03:21] mdz: Yup. [03:21] mdz: right [03:21] that's horrible [03:21] Yes, it is. :) [03:21] but your fix is correct in that case ;-) [03:21] But it's also The Way and The Light. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hendry [n=hendry@222.106.128.78] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] mdz: in fact we are really, *really* lucky that ' is not a valid last byte in any known multibyte encoding (whereas \ is, which is where the problem comes from) [03:24] I just wish Shift-JIS and BIG5 would die already. :/ [03:24] Dealing with the dozens of random encodings for Japanese stuff I get over here is hell. [03:24] Riddell, infinity: it needs either the patch, or a preload, plus the scim libs and plugins in ia32-libs [03:25] doko_: I'm going to file a Debian bug for http://patches.ubuntu.com/patches/psycopg.CVE-2006-2314.diff now; do you have time for that soon? (I can NMU if you like) [03:25] doko_: Is there any fix that you would categorize as "non-intrusive, obvious, and easy for a detached party (say, me or mdz) to identify as 'correct' at a glance"? [03:26] doko_: If so, it might be nice if you could help Riddell put such a proposal together ASAP. If not, then I guess he's stuck with dropping it from -desktop and dealing with the fallout. *shrug* [03:26] mdz: so, permission to upload? === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.130.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:26] pitti: I thought I already OKed it? [03:26] ok :) [03:27] infinity: yes, maybe the preload thing that I sent, and load it using the ooo-wrapper script, so you can avoid the diversions [03:29] doko_: where can I find that and how can I test it? [03:29] Riddell: in a mail sent to you; wait, I'm sending it again [03:31] doko_: what is all this about? === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] mdz: scim crashing OOo on amd64 KDE [03:32] grr, stoopid grub-installer [03:32] mdz: Un-busticating OOo-amd64 and KDE, so Riddell doesn't have to drop the package from -desktop and break upgrades. [03:32] doko_: Or, rather, I assume this will also fix that? [03:32] doko_: (It's the same problem, I'm guessing, from his description?) [03:33] infinity: where's Riddell's description? [03:34] doko_, scrollback [03:35] ugh, file-open dialog broken? [03:35] yep [03:36] doko_: The "not finding widgets" bit seemed pertinent. === hua [n=hua_@222.50.182.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] doko_: Dear God. How is debian/control generated in OOo? This looks scary. [03:38] could somebody tell me, why vnc4 was uploaded, and who did it? I cannot see any sync requests, and no uploader ... [03:39] infinity: debian/rules debian/control [03:39] doko_: Just from debian/control.in, or does it cleverly paste all of them together somehow? [03:39] Current release: 4.1.1+X4.3.0-10 [03:39] Creator: Barry deFreese [03:39] doko_, ask bddebian [03:39] infinity: pasting as well [03:40] yeah, he's building using XFree, not xorg :-/ [03:40] meh [03:41] <\sh> moins [03:41] afternoon [03:43] hi \sh, ogra [03:43] mdz: can I upload this fix for guidance? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/guidance.diff [03:46] Riddell: is there a possibility to set the KDE plugin path? === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] Riddell: the changelog should say what the patch does [03:50] mdz: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14776 same fix for pygresql, also no rdepends [03:50] mdz: (in main) === mdz rubs his eyes [03:51] pitti: ok [03:51] mdz: ETOOMANYSLASHES? [03:51] Ugh, yeah. [03:51] yes [03:51] doko_: not as far as I know, although it wouldn't surprise me if there was some way to do it [03:51] pitti: OK to upload though === pitti doesn't even want to think about the possiblitity of mysql having the same issue === javier [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] Riddell: patch is fine [03:54] <_ion> MySQL _is_ an issue. [03:55] _ion: I can't see why it shouldn't be, at least [03:55] unless it doesn't support these encodings [03:55] mdz: thanks, I'll add a better description === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] BenC: morning [03:55] hey [03:56] cool, the wireless applet has the two icons closer together now...that was starting to bug me :) [03:57] pitti: Easy enough to test, I suppose. [03:57] Riddell: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooo-amd64/ for a ia32-libs-kde, which *should* fix the scim problems. please let me know, if that works [03:57] infinity: sure === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B2177.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] doko_: downloading === bronson [n=bronson@pool-71-162-100-52.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] it includes the patched qt3, plus libscim8c2a scim-qtimm; if you run strace -e trace=file /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice.bin -writer, then it *should* open /usr/lib32/qt/plugins at some place. [04:01] using the i386 strace binary of course [04:03] doko_: how do I get i386 strace? [04:04] download the i386 package, and put the executable in /usr/local/bin/strace32 === LinuxJones [n=willy@hlfxns01bbh-142177201034.ns.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:25] pitti: What's up with language-pack-kde-tl-base and language-pack-kde-tl being out of version sync? [04:25] Riddell: don't forget about that seed/metapackage merge, whatever happens with oo.o-kde [04:25] pitti: -base is newer than the other one, rendering them both uninstallable. [04:26] pitti: Oh, I see, you did a non-automatic upload of -base. A fresh upload of the other to match versions would fix it. [04:28] pitti: I'm doing so right now, to get it off my "eek, broken packages" radar. === stratus [n=stratus@200216151043.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] mdz: yep [04:28] doko_: fighting with scim to get it setup === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:31] <\sh> Riddell: can we fix klaptopdaemon somehow to honhour linux key codes to fix the "Fn triggered acpi events from acpi-utils are not working" regression? [04:32] Riddell: I forgot something ... please could you: cp -a /etc/qt3 /etc/qt3-32, and then edit qt_plugins_3.3rc to point ti the new locations? [04:32] s,^lib/,lib32, [04:32] s,^lib/,lib32/, [04:33] Riddell: W. T. F. [04:34] Riddell: [04:34] gtk-qt-engine (0.60-1.1ubuntu6) dapper; urgency=low [04:34] * Don't use shlib depends, stop requiring gtk [04:34] Riddell: Not using shlibs is just plain wrong. [04:34] infinity, err, that should have been demoted to universe long ago [04:34] at least that was my proposal at the beginning of the release [04:35] it breaks the gnome desktop completely if its installed and upstream seems not after fixing it [04:35] infinity: uh, ouch, sorry; I didn't think about that when I quickfixed -lt-base [04:35] infinity: thank you [04:37] ogra: It's still in kubuntu-desktop. [04:37] Riddell: Any comments on the above? Is that meant to not be in kubuntu-desktop? [04:38] infinity, ouch [04:38] Riddell: And if it /is/ meant to be, then a better solution than "don't use shlibs" should be found, since that breaks on arches with a different libc (*cough*ia64*cough*) [04:38] Riddell: (Though, arguably, we don't care much about ia64 as release rolls near, you may still want to be installable there for kicks) [04:39] infinity: it is ment to be in kubuntu-desktop, its ment to sit there dormant until gtk gets installed [04:40] I've also tested it under gnome lots and can never find any problems, although it doesn't get turned on by default if you have ubuntu-desktop installed [04:40] doko_: doesn't seem to make any difference [04:40] Riddell: Kay. Then I'd like to fix the shlibs issue (I understand you don't want to ship GTK, so I see the reason for the workaround) [04:41] Riddell: which application creates /etc/qt3/qt_plugins? [04:41] Riddell: who knows, maybe some KDE nut at HP will be the turning point for getting them to support our ia64 port... If kubuntu is installable. :) [04:41] Riddell: do you have instructions, how to setup KDE for scim? [04:41] doko_: strace shows no sign of opening any plugins, although it doesn't crash at all for me, it just doesn't use skim [04:42] doko_: install skim, im-module, scim-anthy and language-pack-kde-ja-base [04:42] Riddell: ok, so we have to add skim, im-module, scim-anthy to ia32-libs kde [04:42] run im-module -s ja_JA -z scim-anthy; restart X and run skim [04:43] doko_: so two instances of skim running? === ReMink [n=ReMink@i01v-62-34-233-48.d4.club-internet.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:43] Hi all ! [04:44] Riddell: which of these packages install modules into /usr/lib/qt or /usr/lib/kde ? [04:44] at least scim-qtimm was loaded on i386 [04:45] doko_: yes, scim-qtimm also needed [04:45] mdz: Permission to upload the following, which makes kubuntu-desktop installable on ia64 again? (Hey, someone at HP may be watching) [04:45] mdz: http://cerberus.0c3.net/~adconrad/gtk-qt-engine.debdiff [04:45] Riddell: ^^^ [04:45]