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[12:12] they really wanted to start a different wiki? [12:14] who, what? [12:15] no worries [12:15] Burgundavia: we need to think about the Bugs wiki pages [12:15] in terms of the move [12:15] ah, ok [12:15] hmm, another tricky one [12:16] it's the sort of thing that should probably be in both [12:17] yucky === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:49] Burgundavia: so you disagree with that then. What do you think? [12:50] mdke, no, I don't necessarily disagree, I just think we need a elegant solution [12:50] what about this split? [12:50] don't forget it's easy to link/redirect between the two [12:50] ReportingBugs goes the doc wiki and HelpingWithBugs goes on the main one [12:51] and Bugs? [12:51] that page is currently just two links, so it can exist on both [12:52] yeah, that seems a rational split [12:54] hmm, something is wrong [12:54] it only took me about 20minutes to clear out my inbox this morning [12:56] Burgundavia: will you do the appropriate categorising? [12:57] sure, can do right now [12:57] so drop cat doc from the helping ones? [12:57] sounds good to me [12:57] we'll have to correct some links on the ones which move and make them interwiki links, I guess [12:59] none of the helpingwithbugs pages are cat doc [12:59] however, they are all under Bugs but I don;t want to move them, due to large numbers of external links [01:01] only Bugs and Bugs/FindRightPackage are Cat doc [01:01] hmm, that last one is a tough ne [01:01] because arguably it is both [01:02] lets keep all bugs on the main wiki, shall we? Then we can create appropriate links to it from the new one maybe [01:02] sure [01:03] ok [01:08] you know, I think the art team spends more time shuffling their wiki pages than actually creating art === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:08] yeah, they are struglging [01:08] they need to shed some people, like we did [01:08] I was thinking that they could do with a limited access repository [01:09] it's a bit of a free-for-all AFAICS [01:10] http://24.69.71.211/ <-- any comments? [01:10] include the "Ubuntu Canada" in the logo image, so it loads at the same time [01:11] give a bit more vertical space to the headings [01:11] looks nice [01:11] ok, I will have my css boy do that [01:11] the page width is rather odd [01:11] in what way? [01:11] the css is pretty hacky at the moment [01:12] yeah [01:12] http://mdke.org/tmp/canada.png === theCore [n=alex@modemcable084.216-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:13] hmm, we add some horizontal space, but i will look at that, or rather Madpilot will === DBO [n=DBO@cpe-65-185-133-122.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:18] website looks nice [01:19] hey mdke, working on your project, there are several ways to install compiz, listing them all could get tedius and confusing for users, can I pick the most common ones? [01:20] DBO: I'd suggest you pick the best ones, and say why they are the best. If others have different advantages, maybe list them as alternatives. What do you think? [01:20] DBO, is there one that is clearly better than the others? [01:20] they each have up sides and down sides [01:20] its not a matter of better, Xgl is too alpha... [01:21] Not too mention we have AIGLX complicating the whole mess that is FAR too popular to ignore, which messes up the whol install framework =P You will see [01:21] seperating the install of compiz from the install of Xgl is the main issue I guess... most people do it together, but because of AIGLX, doing it seperate (though longer) makes a more uniform framework [01:22] sounds sensible [01:23] DBO, where is xgl and aiglx being developed now? [01:24] Burgundavia, thats one major problem... very seperately... [01:24] Xgl is at Novell, developed behind mostly closed doors... [01:24] hmm, icky [01:24] AIGLX is developed by the fedora project [01:24] and Compiz is a love child of the two [01:25] AIGLX supports mostly open drivers, Xgl closed drivers [01:25] both run Compiz [01:25] (well, a hacked compiz anyhow) [01:25] xgl is still being developed behind closed doors? It thought they were working on it now in the open [01:25] mmhmmm... [01:25] yes its open per say... but there is very little code sharing right now... so it makes almost no difference [01:26] too much was done before it was opened [01:37] hmmm, how do I make the wiki link itself without feeding full links? [01:38] DBO, just camel case it or ["Blahlink"] [01:38] yes, moin sucks === mdke slaps Burgundavia === Burgundavia sticks his tongue out at mdke [01:38] thanks Burgundavia [01:39] mdke, currently there is no AIGLX page, but it should be added, so I just made an under construction page for it [01:39] DBO, the big thing you can do is to merge all the bloody xgl pages into just one or two [01:39] DBO: are you using subpages of Composite? [01:40] mdke, doing Composite Manger (just setting it up) [01:40] and using a subpage for AIGLX? [01:40] mdke, you got it [01:40] ok, sounds reasonable [01:41] mdke, there is a master page that links to an Xgl install, an AIGLX install (only do one), Compiz install, and configuring Compiz [01:41] since these are each different subjects and change on their own, plus different composite managers will come out (and are planned) [01:41] ok. Just make sure you're not adding to the endless number of Xgl pages, but consolidating them :) [01:42] Im trying to give you a modular format that you can plug any new things into without re-inventing the wheel... [01:42] yeah, the structure sounds reasonable [01:55] DBO: can you rename the page CompositeManager? [01:55] DBO: and the subpages should be CompositeManager/SubPage [01:55] mdke... uhhhh... Im sure I can figure that out, I havent really done any work on that page yet [01:55] note the slash, otherwise they won't be subpages [01:56] mmmm... ok [01:59] what is the proper method to link sub pages? [02:00] DBO: if the subpage has a WikiName, just writing the name of the page should be enough [02:00] roger [02:00] otherwise, ["Parent/Subpage"] should work [02:00] or something [02:01] a nice way to make links is: [:Parent/Subpage:link text] === DBO hasnt done any real formatting yet [02:01] np, just get the page names right and people will help tidy up the links [02:06] would be handy if I could type... [02:13] mdke, ok, excluding a couple minor things here an there (an out of control TOC and a couple broken links Im fixing) it is more or less done... [02:14] cool [02:15] DBO, btw, I love that we have somebody working on this [02:15] now we just need somebody with a wacom... [02:15] Im just a monkey [02:15] do we have a writer grammar nazi person? [02:16] we'll review the pages, for sure [02:16] is everything from those other pages incorporated now? [02:17] Well I might add things as I find them, but the general insanity is intact [02:17] I had to change the install vector a bit, so it would be best to get a guinee pig in... [02:18] (I will personally oversee any failure of his machine if something goes wrong) [02:18] hey does anyone have free time to kill? isn't that the reason we're here? :o) I have a request that someone check out a very rough draft of Ubuntu Welcome center for comments on menu structuring. You can see it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu_Welcome_Center under the design category [02:18] DBO: how about naming the subpages like this: InstallingCompiz, ConfiguringCompiz? [02:19] a bit more natural [02:19] because that requires editing the links you bum! (fine fine) [02:20] ghee22: the use cases are a bit dubious. Why is Ubuntu Welcome Center more effective than simply the Help System? [02:20] it seems to me that the help system can respond 100% to that spec [02:20] mdke, were you here yesteday? we were discussing this in depth [02:21] i didn't see that no [02:21] who should I look for in the backlog? [02:22] ah i see it [02:22] mdke: hmm... good question.. what's the primary difference between both. I think help is for specific problems. the welcome center should be a holding hand for a new user and asks questions before they are asked. [02:23] it seems to me that as the spec currently stands, you are going to be duplicating the help center quite a lot. Our guides are not at all limited to specific problems [02:23] maybe you could just work on making the help system better [02:24] mdke, ok, general insanity is all there, your new names are there... [02:24] mdke: unfortunately, I cannot change my project. I was assigned this task per Google's SoC 2006. If you feel the welcome center should be different, then please suggest away! [02:27] ghee22: well you definitely need to define your use cases a bit more. At the moment they are both already arguably solved by the help system. It seems to me that "Work on making the help system user friendly, and then start it up on first boot" completes the spec [02:27] mdke, hmm, somebody working on yelp. That would be nice [02:27] I haven't caught up on your discussion yesterday though really, so i dunno what others think [02:28] Burgundavia: well, not necessarily on yelp itself, just on how we present the documentation. That spec is basically HelpfulHelp with a "first-boot" tacked on, afaics [02:28] yep [02:28] and videos, and screenshots [02:29] the mentor sfflaw, you really knows nothing about this, so I think we need to take the lead and figure out what we need [02:29] ghee22: in any case, I'm really glad you've come around here, because we need to work together to ensure that we're not going to be working on the same thing twice for the next release [02:29] mdke: what are we going to do about the serverguide on server installs [02:30] LaserJock: for dapper, it won't be installed [02:30] LaserJock: do you know how that /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/html link came about? [02:30] mdke: you can thank burgandavia, I was just wandering the development forums [02:31] thanks Burgundavia === ghee22 also thanks burgandavia [02:31] mdke: not sure [02:34] ok, i did my good deed, shouldnt we credit the original author btw? [02:35] DBO: wiki pages are generally made by loads of different people === mdke notices that he also missed a book rant in the backlog [02:35] mdke, ookie dokie [02:35] DBO: thanks for your work, I'll check out the pages tomorrow [02:35] mdke, ok sounds good [02:36] mdke: doh, don't read the book rant backlog :) [02:36] LaserJock: too late [02:37] i know that rob trolls about this, but I understand part of where he is coming from. The book wasn't handled well [02:37] mdke: have you seen the Tour Windows XP program? It's under Start, Accessories if you have Windows XP. It's design is very different from how Help is. Although content is similar, Welcome Center answers most frequently asked questions to new users. These questions are not like, "my printer won't print", but much more general such as, "I've installed Ubuntu, how do I write up a report?" What do you think? [02:37] LaserJock: it could be this: links:usr/share/ubuntu-docs/html/ usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/html [02:38] ;) [02:39] ghee22: yeah, I don't like the XP tour. But I still think that help should answer most frequently asked questions to new users, and do it in a way which is well structured so that the user can immediately see where to find out different things [02:39] ghee22: it's a very complicated question though... i need to think about it :) [02:40] mdke: doh [02:40] LaserJock: what do you think one does about something like bug #47016? It is so trivial that it can't possibly justify an upload. Shall we fix it in our repository anyway? [02:40] Malone bug 47016 in ubuntu-docs "Dapper RC's Ubuntu-docs package html softlink has missing target." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47016 [02:42] mdke: ok, I see. may I ask who you are? I appreciate everyone's advice, since I'm new here, I like to know how much weight should be given to each person's comments. Also, take your time, I really do appreciate even you listening. If you see a better way to structure this, than by all means I'm all ears like corn [02:42] mdke: yeah, fix it and perhaps make a not somewhere (maybe start a new changelog entry) so that it is noted [02:42] s/not/note/ [02:42] ghee22: my name is Matthew East (you can find out for everyone by typing /whois nickname ) [02:43] ghee22: mdke is basically the doc team leader and is one heck of a guy :-) === mdke slips LaserJock a tenner [02:43] lol [02:44] LaserJock: yeah, I'll make a changelog entry, I'll bump the version number up to 6.06.1 too, is that right? (we're currently still on 6.05.6) === ghee22 slaps self on forehead in shame [02:45] yeah, make sure to but something like (Closes: Malone #47016) [02:45] Malone bug 47016 in ubuntu-docs "Dapper RC's Ubuntu-docs package html softlink has missing target." [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47016 [02:45] yes I now remember your name mdke, seen in many places on ubuntu site [02:46] pleased to meet you [02:46] and I, you. I shall prove myself worthy. [02:46] eh [02:47] you don't need to do that [02:47] ok === ghee22 goes to sleep [02:48] so, just so you know, I'm working with Simon Law as my mentor. He's been especially busy with Dapper release so I've had no contact with him. Do you work with him at all? [02:48] ghee22: no, he is the new Bug quality assurance guy [02:48] seems nice [02:48] he is quite nice and lives in Montreal [02:49] but yes, he is crazy busy [02:49] not sure why he was chosen though [02:49] so realistically I think you can consider us your mentors [02:49] yet again though, it would have been nice if the docteam had been consulted about specs like that before making decisions about SoC [02:49] mdke: I see. I wonder why I was given him as a mentor, rather than a doc duede [02:49] ghee22: yeah, I'm going to ask. [02:49] anyway, we can all work together anyhow [02:50] ghee22, I suspect because he is a canonical employee and thus is going to be around, mostly guarenteed === mdke thinks that there is too much blurring between canonical and ubuntu these days [02:51] mdke, that is a good thing [02:52] yes, I agree. which is why I'm here. Ok, great. I'm gonna continue filling out more "marketing speak" for each category. If anyone sees a major problem with the way I've laid out the menu structure, please let me know ASAP. this is because I'm already writing details for each category and major change in structure will make this work fruitless. I really appreciate anyone's help, and will one day give you a six pack to prove it. [02:52] ghee22, is that that freemind thing? === Burgundavia is allergic to Java [02:52] yes, I've also exported to svg. in anticipation of allergy season [02:53] Burgundavia: well, I'm not sure. Someone pointed out to me recently that the whole point of setting up the ubuntu foundation was to recognise that there are potential conflicts of interest between canonical and ubuntu development, and to ensure that ubuntu development was separated from canonical's commercial projects. But it seems to me that things have gone in the opposite direction [02:53] mdke, I don't see an issue [02:53] the ubuntu foundation is now mostly dormant. The money is a lifeboat now [02:54] yeah, but it wasn't announced like that [02:54] no, it wasn't [02:54] Burgundavia: i checked the announcement, it was [02:54] "It's important for us to distinguish the philanthropic and non-commercial work that is at the heart of the Ubuntu project, from the commercial support and certification programs that are the focus of Canonical Ltd." said Mark Shuttleworth [02:55] yep [02:55] currently I haven't seen any conflict [02:55] I didn't think there was an issue either [02:55] but recently it has started to play on my mind [02:55] there are too many smart people at canonical for that too happen [02:56] the only thing I can possibly see as canonical overriding the community would be with LP === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-215-175.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:56] I had to push quite hard to ensure that the word "Commercial" got into the link to marketplace in the help menu [02:56] it is not clear to me that LP, specifically malone, has been a win [02:56] and there is LP too [02:56] and the Book being pushed into the help menu [02:56] I don't that is a canonical thing [02:56] that is a Mark thing [02:57] could be [02:57] in fact, I suspect LP was a mark thing too [02:57] but don't forget, that Mark is the boss of Canonical [02:57] yes, I think it is key to seperate Mark things from Canonical things [02:57] anyhow, you're right, so far no problem [02:57] but that passage I quoted has certainly not been implemented [02:57] because Mark does crazy shit seperate from Canonical [02:58] I had a good chat with mako and jdub about the foundation one day and learned about the strategic refocus [02:58] look how fedora did the same thing [02:58] hmm? [02:58] ghee22, to get your some feedback [02:58] ghee22, I don't see logic to the organization [02:59] for me, the menu should mirror the real one, with an addition for community [02:59] burgundavia: I'm listening [02:59] mdke: I've seen development from a few sides now and I have my concerns as well [02:59] LaserJock: yeah, it's just something that has played on my mind a bit recently, nothing particularly significant [02:59] the one place I can see Caonical interfering into Ubuntu development is with suport contracts [03:00] Burgundavia: I think the Edubuntu backgound is an example [03:00] an example is that the Ubuntu website advertises for employees to work on canonical, including non-Ubuntu projects [03:00] but I have not yet found a place where it makes sense where screwing Ubuntu help Canonical [03:00] ahhh, so menu should be: Accessories, Games, Internet, Office, Sound & Video [03:00] ghee22, you can probably drop accessories, given there is nothing to talk about [03:01] yes, but if we drop accessories, we are not mirroring it anymore. [03:01] IE: if you need to talk about something, it should be in the same order as the menus [03:01] which is the same as my menu is right now... not mirroring [03:01] yep, not mirroring, but following [03:01] bad choice of words on my part [03:02] LaserJock, mdke I think this next year is critical, because this is when the big support contracts are going to start rolling in [03:02] we will start seeing if there is a conflict [03:02] it's ok, I'm quite literal at times. not all the time but when it comes to work stuff, I try to stay literal since it's already difficult enough to use words to describe what I'm thinking === mpt_ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:03] LaserJock: what happened with the edubuntu background? [03:04] mdke: Canonical forced the new background even the though the community and even ogra and JaneW didn't want it [03:04] why? [03:04] LaserJock, what background was this [03:04] ? [03:04] Burgundavia: the new chalkboard background [03:04] Burgundavia: anyway, you agree now that the foundation was announced as separating Canonical's commercial interests from Ubuntu development? [03:04] mdke, yes it was, much like the Fedora one was [03:05] Burgundavia: right (you said earlier that it wasn't). And do you agree that that hasn't happened? [03:05] LaserJock, tbh, the other background was much too busy. I would have voted for the chalkboard merely on that [03:05] mdke: Canonical payed an outside company to do the background, and in the end we had a much better community done one but it is not default because of a Canonical decision [03:05] that sucks [03:05] LaserJock, do we even have an svg of that background? [03:06] Burgundavia: perhaps but ogra, JaneW, highvoltage were all against it, which means a lot to me [03:06] also, remember that the art situation has been a mess [03:06] I agree [03:06] and looks matter [03:06] I hope Canonical and the Ubuntu learn from the Dapper artwork situation [03:07] LaserJock: they never learn, it's always last minute crack [03:07] what the artwork team needs to strong community leadership, much like we have [03:07] mdke, nobody has ever enforced a deadline on them [03:07] Burgundavia: it's difficult to enforce a deadline on Mark [03:07] yep === Burgundavia is truly unhappy about artwork [03:08] so, how about my question? [03:08] twice now I have warned about this, in fact at UBZ, mark personally gave me his word [03:08] mdke: this is the new one http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/chalkboard.png [03:08] yep, I agree the foundation hasn't happened as it laid out, but I don't think that is a bad thing [03:09] our community goverence structures are working well (CC and TB) [03:10] Burgundavia: here's how I see it. Avoiding conflicts of interest are essentially about being _seen_ to be independent, rather than necessarily actually being independent (as discussed, I don't see big problems there). However if you announce something big like that, and then deviate without any public announcement, that is a bad thing, I think [03:10] for one, by keeping canonical this close to Ubuntu might be a good thing [03:10] deviating was a Mark thing, I think [03:10] I don't think that really answers the point [03:10] LaserJock: greeeeeen [03:11] ACTION updates svg at http://www.eden.rutgers.edu/~jigtopi/Ubuntu/ Burgundavia: ok, so here's what we have right now in order: Start Here, Productivity, Digital Media, Finding what you need, Staying Connected, Fun & Games, Easy Configuration, Safe Personal Computing, Support, Community.. I understand it's extremely busy (many categories). Before I superbash your idea, may I ask where you are going with having the same names as th [03:11] mdke: yeah, and that hit only a week ago or so [03:11] ghee22, the reason I use the same terms is that is because what people are going to go and see [03:12] what does "staying connected" mean? Internet is much clearer [03:12] ok, this is going to make the help system totally redundant ;) [03:12] not that that is necessarily a bad thing [03:12] no, I was about to say that [03:12] i just have this impulse that the two things should be the same [03:13] yeah, it's really difficult to maintain the direction I think this should go without a constant reminder that this is not a help program. :o( [03:13] hmm, ghee22's project is a real challenge for us, because it can be such a good thing, yet.. [03:14] this is ghee22 it _is_ a help program [03:14] whoops [03:14] s/this is// [03:15] you are basically mapping out a good structure for what the front page of the help system should look like [03:15] ghee22, what are supposed to be the deliverables of your project? [03:15] mdke: this is the community contributed Edubuntu background, if your interested: http://www.progbox.co.uk/33.jpg [03:16] ok, here are specs that were assigned to me, with no additions of mine [03:16] LaserJock, personally, that looks nice but I would not use it as a background [03:16] LaserJock: actually, I have to say that i don't like that. The world idea is nice, just too green [03:16] A GUI application that assist the user with the application that he will be using in GNOME, and the capabilities of Ubuntu. The application must be attractive and easy to use for new users to easily adopt in Ubuntu. [03:16] ghee22: that's yelp, isn't it? [03:17] laserjock: I think it's a smart idea, but it is very green. [03:17] it is a blackboard, after all [03:17] yeah, but people didn't want a blackboard [03:17] (ignoring the insanity of calling something a blackboard when it is green) [03:18] anyway, my point is that the Edubuntu was not given a choice, they *had* to use the one they were given [03:18] LaserJock: anyhow, regardless of what I think of it, you're right. The community should have a lot of weight. And the team leads even more so [03:18] LaserJock, you have an Edubuntu council [03:18] mdke: so how about I just submit yelp and we'll split the $4500? [03:18] /me drools over new laptop he can purchase [03:18] hell, you sit on it, [03:18] raise it there [03:19] Burgundavia: but all members of the Council were against it and it did nothing [03:19] that is an issue [03:19] ghee22: who assigned you this? I'd like to talk to them to find out more details about what they had in mind [03:19] I would then raise that with the community council [03:19] LaserJock: ouch, that is an immense issue [03:19] mdke: no assignment details. just mentor. please don't remove my project! [03:20] ghee22: sure, I wouldn't dream of it [03:20] ghee22: but I'd like to find out more details about what they had in mind [03:20] ghee22, there are too many places we can use someone who can cute code [03:20] my personal opinion is that Canonical got stuck with paying for all this artwork and so had to use it [03:20] s/cute/cut [03:20] LaserJock, likely [03:20] because they feared having no artwork [03:21] a correct fear, in the case of the currently melting down ubuntu art team [03:21] bugundavia: I'm not following, cut code? [03:21] program [03:21] i think he means write code [03:21] I'm not really mad about it but it is an example of the Canonical/Ubuntu interaction being not always positive [03:22] indeed it is [03:22] the relationship between Canonical and the community is a really interesting one [03:22] so difficult to get it right [03:22] at least it is not as bas the Fedora/RH one [03:22] how about Novell/OpenSuse [03:22] yeah, i think the Ubuntu community is generally well used [03:23] which is thanks to the foresight they had right at the beginning when setting up the governance processes [03:23] oh, for sure, I'm still around and I believe in Ubuntu [03:23] ahh, but my passion is about a welcome center. it comes from giving ubuntu to friends and family and answering the same questions over and over again: what do I use to chat, browse, write papers. Putting answers in an attractive interface is what I proposed after seeing that spec. Also, having a flashy introduction and using video screenshots to show users how to perform exactly what I document them to do. [03:23] but I do think there are lots of places that it could be done better [03:23] but I must say that presently I trust the Ubuntu community more than Canonical itself [03:24] ghee22: I see where you are coming from, definitely. [03:24] mdke: where do you think it can be better [03:25] please keep in mind that I have deadlines, which is why I'm so eager to know how y'all think this should be done. yes, that is an annoying comment and I apologize for it. I just don't want to lose out on this opportunity === mpt__ [n=mpt@203.109.220.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:26] ghee22, we recognize that [03:26] ghee22: I don't know, I'd read the spec and maybe we can discuss on the mailing list. i just think that the project as conceived has ignored the help system, and I feel instinctively that it is a bad idea for the two things to develop separately. But that's not your fault [03:27] Burgundavia & mdke: I'm glad. it's a little frustrating as my assigned boss hasn't replied to me and I know I shouldn't put this on you, but what does he think is important since he is whom I'm assigned to currently. [03:29] ghee22: is there a reason your project isn't on http://code.google.com/soc/ubuntu/about.html ? [03:30] yikes [03:30] ghee22: btw your mentor has been at debconf so maybe that is why he hasn't replied === ghee22 sees own heart drop [03:31] ghee22: well, if you got an email saying that you're assigned to it, then it must be official [03:31] ghee22, you know they screwed up on the emailing? [03:32] seriously? [03:32] yep, sent confirmed to everybody [03:32] don't joke though [03:32] ghee22, your student website is correct [03:32] they repaired it right? [03:32] no, I am not joking [03:32] they sent a 2nd email which is correct [03:32] yes, but they said the website has the correct information. which it says my application is accepted for [03:32] if your website says so, it is likely a bug [03:32] and I'm on a maling list from janew with an assigned menrot.. this doesn't make sense [03:33] sfflaw did also confirm to me that he is mentoring [03:33] bet you can tell I'm shaky, can't spell properly [03:33] ok, so it's probably just missing from the google page [03:33] sounds like they've made a mess of this === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:33] salut Madpilot [03:33] not surprising though, considering that they've been given like a million projects [03:34] 610, to be exact [03:34] hi Burgundavia [03:34] no, i mean Ubuntu has been allocated a lot by google [03:34] yep [03:34] considering fedora have like 4 or something [03:35] interesting kde got 24 and gnome 20 [03:35] they need it more :p [03:35] my friend working at google say they use a customized derivative, goobutnu, so it makes sense to give ubuntu money in a public fashion improving their own goobuntu while looking charitable [03:35] true yeah [03:36] mdke: haha, the flame grows [03:36] I am now wondering why simon has replied back yet. it's been 3 days. [03:36] ghee22: as I said, he's been at a conference, not much network access [03:37] mdke: I see. [03:37] and his jobs involves lots and lots of email [03:39] seriously, he is going through every bug report in Ubuntu [03:39] poor bastard [03:39] yeah, not fun [03:39] he is nice guy though [03:39] he was at UBZ [03:39] oh yeah? [03:40] I like his blog posts [03:40] I don't know where he gets times to write them [03:40] but I like them too [03:41] DBO: on the CompositeManager page you've linked to some of the Ubuntu wiki guides we were hoping that we could nuke. Is there material still on those pages which isn't in your new system? [03:51] mdke, oops, lemme dig through and see what I can find [03:51] where are you looking? [03:53] mdke, oh those on the main page, yeah I nuke those now [03:53] ok, those are gone [03:54] nuke away (but at least keep copies since this hasnt been guinie pigged) [03:54] DBO, make certain before you nuke that they have not been linked [03:55] in fact, due to the popularity of xgl, I would say redirect only [03:55] Burgundavia, oh no no, dont be silly, Im not nuking anything, thats your job [03:55] you guys have the ubuntu masks =P Im just a geek [03:56] the masks mean nothing [03:56] DBO: we'll nuke. Is everything now contained on the pages you did? How about the specific ati/nvidia stuff? [03:56] ati and nvidia driver installs are NOT on these pages... and they shouldn't be [03:57] basically all the pages say is you need to have those drivers installed and link to the driver install pages [03:57] well, that might be worth saying [03:57] you mean go through the whole nvidia driver install procedure again??? [03:57] no no [03:58] i mean, does this page add anything? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/xglati [03:59] nope [03:59] well its got one gotchya [03:59] but thats mostly outdated now [03:59]