[01:36] <bddebian> Heya gang
[01:56] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[01:57] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock, what's happening?
[01:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'm actually working on a bit of a freelance packaging job
[02:08] <bddebian> Cool
[02:11] <LaserJock> bddebian: yeah, I got the gig yesterday and I have to have it done by Monday :/
[02:19] <bddebian> LaserJock: You are just a glutton for punishment aren't you? :-)
[02:20] <LaserJock> bddebian: needed to pay for my passport :/
[02:25] <zul> how do you sign a dsc file?
[02:27] <bddebian> Can't you use debsign or whatever it's called?
[02:27] <zul> yeah
[02:29] <zul> LaserJock: who is the gig with?
[02:30] <LaserJock> honestly, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to say
[02:30] <LaserJock> you'll probably know when it hits multiverse :-)
[02:31] <bddebian> Oh no, it's Sun :-)
[02:31] <LaserJock> no
[02:31] <bddebian> Adobe then
[02:31] <LaserJock> I had to take a look at that package though, holy cow, I wouldn't want to do that package
[02:32] <LaserJock> no, nobody that big
[02:34] <bddebian> Hello whiprush
[03:00] <ajmitch> hi
[03:00] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: man, I wish I got packaging jobs like that ;)
[03:00] <ajmitch> unless you've cleared it with kamion already, good luck get anything new into the archive now
[03:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, it isn't much and it is a real pain because it is propriatary
[03:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: Canonical and the company have an "understanding", I have been told
[03:01] <ajmitch> right
[03:01] <ajmitch> and they picked you
[03:01] <ajmitch> I'm impressed
[03:02] <LaserJock> well, all the real devs are busy with the release
[03:02] <bddebian> Heh
[03:02] <LaserJock> I wasn't the first person they asked ;-)
[03:02] <ajmitch> since the rest of us aren't real devs ;)
[03:02] <zul> i love being in the dark...meh...;)
[03:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: At least you get a modicum of respect :-)
[03:05] <ajmitch> bddebian: I do? from who?
[03:06] <bddebian> Well me for one
[03:06] <ajmitch> heh
[03:07] <ajmitch> :P
[03:07] <ajmitch> bddebian: see how he mocks me? :)
[03:07] <zul> hehe
[03:07] <bddebian> heh
[03:10] <zul> me...noooo..
[03:10] <ajmitch> yes, you
[03:10] <ajmitch> sitting there with a mocking look
[03:10] <zul> hehe..
[03:10] <ajmitch> makes me wonder why I bother around here :P
[03:10] <zul> because you like to be mocked thats why :)
[03:11] <ajmitch> no I don't
[03:11] <zul> yes you do
[03:11] <zul> this reminds me of the argument sketch
[03:11] <ajmitch> it's not an argument, it's just contradiction!
[03:13] <zul> no it isnt
[03:13] <ajmitch> I wish to file a complaint
[03:13] <zul> You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them three weeks and the heels are worn right through
[03:14] <zul> If you complain nothing happens you migh as well not bother
[03:14] <ajmitch> stop cutting & pasting ;)
[03:14] <zul> http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm
[03:14] <ajmitch> I know
[03:14] <ajmitch> it's much more fun if you watch it
[03:15] <zul> my memory isnt what it use to be
[03:15] <zul> or listent to it
[03:15] <zul> youtube.com has it apparently
[03:16] <ajmitch> probaly requires flash
[03:16] <zul> probaly
[03:16] <ajmitch> my desktop box doesn't do flash or java
[03:16] <zul> ah..
[03:16] <ajmitch> & I'd have to walk about 2 metres to get the laptop
[03:16] <ajmitch> which is rather inconvenient
[03:17] <zul> its a meter and a half for me
[03:17] <ajmitch> was approximately that, I was mistaken :)
[03:17] <bddebian> mmm port wine cheese...
[03:17] <zul> you should take one of those circular rules and check
[03:18] <ajmitch> http://youtube.com/watch?v=yk4NSQyAFjI&search=monty%20python
[03:18] <ajmitch> hm
[03:21] <zul> heh...with the sound off i can tell what they are saying which is eerie
[03:21] <ajmitch> sad
[03:22] <zul> yeah that as well
[03:22] <zul> oh i wonder if they have the spqnish inquistion
[03:23] <ajmitch> yay
[03:24] <ajmitch> full lumberjack song, including the psycotic barber ;)
[03:24] <zul> hehe
[03:27] <bddebian> Don't you two big "main" types have any work to do?
[03:28] <ajmitch> no, I'm not a real developer :)
[03:28] <tseng> har har
[03:29] <bddebian> Heya tseng
[03:29] <tseng> hi
[03:29] <tseng> "main" developers dont do anything
[03:31] <bddebian> Sweet, maybe I will get selected then ;_0
[03:31] <bddebian> Uhm, that was ;-P
[03:32] <tseng> you have to do nothing with style
[03:32] <bddebian> Oh, I'm screwed then
[03:32] <tseng> yeah
[03:32] <tseng> sorry.
[03:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: See and you think you get no respect :-)
[03:34] <tseng> i just tell it like it is
[03:36] <bddebian> Gee thx
[03:37] <ajmitch> glad to be of service
[03:37] <tseng> bddebian: if the meeting is at a sane hour ill vote for you
[03:38] <bddebian> Yeah, I could tell.. :-)
[03:38] <tseng> I'll even buy you dinner if you pass
[03:38] <tseng> if you come to my side of town that is
[03:39] <bddebian> I already told you I'd buy if we ever hook up
[03:39] <tseng> did you?
[03:39] <tseng> ok
[03:39] <tseng> i dont really go out your way
[03:39] <tseng> is KOP convenient?
[03:41] <tseng> its like 30 minutes from me
[03:41] <bddebian> I pass by almost every day
[03:41] <tseng> or 40
[03:41] <tseng> not as bad as Valley Forge
[03:41] <tseng> or whatever it was
[03:47] <bddebian> I thought you were in KoP?
[03:48] <tseng> no
[03:48] <tseng> Glen Mills
[03:48] <bddebian> Ah
[03:48] <tseng> Brandywine Valley, baby
[03:49] <tseng> yuppieville, usa
[03:49] <bddebian> Then how'd you become a long-haired hippy commie? ;-P
[03:49] <tseng> i am no such thing
[03:49] <tseng> I am a Republican
[03:50] <tseng> I just had a hair cut today, as well
[03:50] <bddebian> Ack, not possible.. :)
[03:50] <tseng> ?
[03:50] <bddebian> I'm joking
[03:50] <bddebian> I tend to vote Republican as well :-)
[03:51] <tseng> If we could instate Ronald Reagan as supreme dictator for life
[03:51] <tseng> I would be in heaven
[03:51] <bddebian> But, but, we're the "Evil Empire".. :)
[03:51] <tseng> fine with me
[03:52] <bddebian> Wow, I knew there was something I liked about you :-)
[03:53] <ajmitch> heh
[03:55] <zul> whoa...them are some quality icons
[03:55] <tseng> jdub's last.fm is embarassing
[03:56] <tseng> http://www.last.fm/user/jdubjdub/
[03:56] <tseng> hi LaserJock
[03:56] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock
[03:58] <LaserJock> I thought being a Republican disqualified people from working on Linux ;-)
[03:58] <tseng> not really.
[03:58] <tseng> open source and trickle down economics aren't mutually exclusive
[03:59] <LaserJock> maybe it's cause I talk to to many liberal Canukistanies
[03:59] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:59] <tseng> well, I will grant you that a large majority of oss contributors are lefties
[03:59] <tseng> usually far-left
[04:00] <ajmitch> extremely far-left at times
[04:00] <tseng> but on software we are all on the same page
[04:00] <bddebian> Heya again LaserJock
[04:00] <bddebian> LaserJock: I used to think so too :-)
[04:00] <ajmitch> bunch of communists
[04:00] <bddebian> heh
[04:00] <tseng> yeah.
[04:00] <zul> communism is good for you
[04:00] <tseng> i was going to write a paper for school
[04:00] <zul> gives you pep
[04:00] <bddebian> Sure is, ask the Chinese :)
[04:01] <tseng> on why socialism works for software, but sucks for government
[04:01] <bddebian> Or the North Koreans
[04:01] <tseng> i dropped out of school and got a job instead
[04:01] <ajmitch> we had falun gong people protesting against the chinese here in town today :)
[04:01] <LaserJock> tseng: oh, I'd be interested in that
[04:01] <tseng> communism in china is a farse
[04:01] <tseng> they are a bunch of filthy capitalists just like the rest of us
[04:02] <ajmitch> they just happen to be more openly totalitarian
[04:02] <tseng> they cant control the population forever
[04:02] <tseng> I think the current submissiveness is partly cultural
[04:02] <tseng> and will end in our lifetime
[04:04] <bddebian> Aye
[04:04] <bddebian> Then they will probably take over the world :-)
[04:05] <tseng> its a good time to start studying chinese, at least
[04:05] <LaserJock> it has been interesting watching the foreign grad students in my department (about half of the grad students)
[04:05] <bddebian> LaserJock: Why's that?
[04:05] <tseng> bddebian: foreign students don't fuck around
[04:06] <LaserJock> none of the chinese students I know what to go back, but the South Koreans, Japanese, and Filipino students do often times
[04:06] <LaserJock> s/what/want/
[04:06] <LaserJock> that to me says something
[04:06] <tseng> i think your sentence is all screwed up
[04:07] <LaserJock> yeah?
[04:07] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[04:07] <tseng> it doesnt make sense
[04:07] <tseng> the way you wrote it
[04:07] <LaserJock> sorry
[04:07] <tseng> please try again :)
[04:08] <LaserJock> the Chinese grad students don't want to leave the US and go back home, it is more of an escape to come here for them
[04:08] <tseng> oh
[04:08] <bddebian> I think what he is saying is that the Chineses students rarel wish to return to China while the others mentioned return to their respective countries
[04:08] <tseng> i got it
[04:08] <tseng> i missed "none"
[04:08] <tseng> i read it as "most"
[04:08] <LaserJock> whereas the Koreans, Japanese, and Filipino students often say they want to go back and help their country out
[04:09] <LaserJock> but that is only my fairly limited experience
[04:09] <bddebian> LaserJock: I keep meaning to ask you.  What school are you at?
[04:10] <tseng> I have never been to an eastern country
[04:10] <LaserJock> University of Nevada, Reno
[04:10] <bddebian> Ah
[04:10] <bddebian> tseng: You've never been to Canukistan?
[04:10] <tseng> haha
[04:10] <tseng> not eastern europe
[04:11] <tseng> I have no interest in going there
[04:11] <LaserJock> what I thought New York was an eastern country ;-)
[04:11] <tseng> I actually havent been to New York either
[04:11] <tseng> only en route to Boston
[04:12] <bddebian> Actually upstate New York is beautiful
[04:12] <Hobbsee> hi tseng and bddebian
[04:12] <bddebian> I have no desire to see NY City
[04:12] <tseng> hi Hobbsee
[04:12] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:12] <LaserJock> I've been to NY City once, tbh it just seemed dirty and crowded
[04:12] <tseng> a few of my friends from school went to college in new york city
[04:13] <LaserJock> but I'm just a hick from Montana so...
[04:13] <bddebian> heh
[04:13] <tseng> i am going to Phoenix next week
[04:13] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, I spent a week or so there
[04:14] <tseng> this is awful
[04:14] <tseng> last-exit, last.fm player
[04:14] <ajmitch> for once I'm glad I have the session saver extension loaded
[04:14] <tseng> instead of using the gtk+ 2.6 ellipsize widget on long song titles
[04:14] <tseng> it makes the window twice as big
[04:15] <tseng> every time i notice iain is offline
[04:15] <bddebian> iain?
[04:15] <tseng> he wrote it
[04:15] <tseng> ill try to upload this to edgy
[04:15] <tseng> its stableish
[04:15] <bddebian> Ah
[04:15] <tseng> if he makes a release
[04:16] <ajmitch> still waiting on patches from lewing
[04:16] <tseng> :(
[04:16] <ajmitch> I hope they come in before uploads are stopped
[04:17] <tseng> really.
[04:17] <tseng> some guy just filed some odd crasher
[04:17] <tseng> i hate those
[04:18] <ajmitch> no details at all?
[04:19] <tseng> it has a useless trace
[04:19] <tseng> oh
[04:19] <tseng> i see what it is
[04:20] <tseng> wrong sqlite version
[04:20] <ajmitch> beagle?
[04:20] <tseng> f-spot
[04:20] <tseng> 46942
[04:20] <ajmitch> hm
[04:21] <tseng> he has an old db
[04:21] <tseng> or something
[04:21] <ajmitch> how annoying
[04:21] <tseng> thats what I thought
[04:22] <ajmitch> either that or I screwed up the last upload
[04:23] <ajmitch> which is certainly possible
[04:23] <tseng> it works for me.
[04:25] <tseng> cvs has a tango icon btw
[04:25] <tseng> if you are into that sort of thing
[04:27] <bddebian> A tango icon?
[04:27] <tseng> s'what i said
[04:27] <bddebian> I know, I'm asking what a tango icon is?
[04:27] <Amaranth> tango style
[04:27] <tseng> tango-project.org
[04:27] <tseng> it has a common palette and style
[04:27] <bddebian> Ah
[04:28] <bddebian> Hello Amaranth
[04:28] <Amaranth> hi
[04:31] <tseng> it is alot of work ripping off all the suse 10.1 artwork
[04:33] <ajmitch> quite
[04:33] <tseng> i think i have the complete set now
[04:33] <tseng> i should make a proper tarball
[04:35] <tseng> oh
[04:35] <tseng> f-spot copies things to ~/Photos now
[04:36] <ajmitch> it has for quite awhile
[04:39] <tseng> hm
[04:39] <tseng> beagle search is taking forever
[04:40] <tseng> ah
[04:40] <tseng> it throws an exception
[05:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: you around?
[05:02] <tseng> hi LaserJock
[05:02] <tseng> uh
[05:02] <tseng> hi Lathiat
[05:26] <tseng> bddebian: you know what
[05:26] <tseng> bddebian: we could have a greater philly release party
[05:26] <bddebian> Just you and me? :-)
[05:26] <Lathiat> howdy tseng :)
[05:26] <tseng> hannah walach lives in philly
[05:27] <bddebian> I think Jaldhar is in Jersey isn't he?
[05:27] <tseng> i am sure there has to be some others
[05:28] <ajmitch> pity there's not more ubuntu people in NZ
[05:28] <Lathiat> i wish there was more ubuntu people in perth
[05:28] <Lathiat> everyone else is on the east coast :(
[05:28] <LaserJock> nor NV :(
[05:28] <tseng> Lathiat: dude
[05:28] <tseng> Lathiat: the whole UCC is bonkers for ubuntu
[05:28] <bddebian> tseng: Where would we have it?
[05:28] <tseng> arent you in with them?
[05:28] <tseng> bddebian: KOP
[05:28] <bddebian> Of course ;-P
[05:29] <Lathiat> tseng: oh i meant people that are involved :)
[05:29] <tseng> Lathiat: oh haha
[05:29] <Lathiat> theres plentyt of users
[05:29] <Lathiat> and yeh i knwo all the ucc guys
[05:29] <tseng> i am rooming with davyd and guadec
[05:29] <Lathiat> i've been going to ucc sine i was in like year 9 in high school
[05:29] <Lathiat> despite the fact its a university computer club ;)
[05:29] <Lathiat> tseng: oh cool
[05:29] <bddebian> 9 years of High School?
[05:29] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: we can have a release party while you're in AU - you'll get your turn :P
[05:29] <bddebian> :-)
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: want to join us?
[05:29] <tseng> "9th grade"
[05:29] <Lathiat> bddebian: we have primary school years 1-7 and then years 8-12 high-school
[05:29] <Lathiat> yeh "9th grade" works
[05:30] <Lathiat> we call it "year 9" here more commonly :)
[05:30] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: in guadec?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: no, on the east coast
[05:30] <bddebian> Lathiat: I know, I was kidding you :-)
[05:30] <Lathiat> oh, hehe
[05:30] <Lathiat> bddebian: ;p
[05:30] <Hobbsee> sorry, was afk, and finally came back
[05:30] <Lathiat> maybe some time
[05:30] <Lathiat> if i run out of work in perth
[05:31] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: except that it's a month past release
[05:31] <Hobbsee> bah.  so?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> belated release party :P
[05:31] <tseng> bddebian: http://www.phillylinux.org/
[05:31] <ajmitch> by that stage dapper will be obsolete & unfashionable
[05:31] <Lathiat> heh
[05:32] <bddebian> tseng: You a member?
[05:32] <tseng> no
[05:32] <tseng> PLUG West events are held in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, typically in Chester County. If you are interested in Linux but haven't been able to make it to Philadelphia on a Wednesday evening, why not try coming to a meeting?
[05:32] <tseng> but this is very interesting
[05:32] <bddebian> Ah
[05:33] <tseng> PLUG West is in Malvern
[05:33] <tseng> PLUG is in downtown
[05:33] <bddebian> Malvern is an easy drive for me
[05:33] <tseng> cool
[05:33] <tseng> do you know Unisys
[05:33] <tseng> its at their office
[05:34] <bddebian> I know of the company
[05:34] <tseng> http://www.phillylinux.org/locations/unisys.html
[05:34] <bddebian> Hobbsee: :-)
[05:35] <tseng> the next plug west meeting in 6/19
[05:36] <bddebian> Cool Might have to check that out.
[05:36] <bddebian> Don't know if I want to hang around a bunch of lefty commie Linuxers though? ;-P
[05:36] <tseng> i gave a talk last year for a big lug event
[05:36] <tseng> i lived
[05:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:36] <azeem> bddebian: you know you want it
[05:36] <tseng> the managed to get 200 people to come out
[05:36] <Hobbsee> but bddebian might not be so lucky, if they've heard of his reputation
[05:37] <tseng> i co-starred with Russel Coker if you are familiar
[05:37] <Hobbsee> what's the wiki page again?  :P
[05:37] <Lathiat> tseng: what on?
[05:37] <tseng> Lathiat: hardening linux
[05:37] <Lathiat> tseng: figures :)
[05:37] <Lathiat> (coker)
[05:37] <tseng> yeah
[05:37] <tseng> he wanted to visit WalMart
[05:37] <tseng> of all places
[05:38] <ajmitch> strange man
[05:38] <bddebian> hehe
[05:38] <tseng> the guy novell sent was a snore
[05:38] <tseng> manoj was there, but didnt speak
[05:38] <bddebian> What a surprise :-)
[05:38] <tseng> he ran the KSP
[05:39] <tseng> oh
[05:39] <tseng> jrb was there
[05:39] <tseng> i think thats him
[05:39] <tseng> rpm guy
[05:39] <tseng> Hobbsee: meet me, I am amazing
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:39] <tseng> I mean..
[05:39] <tseng> what part of au are you in again
[05:40] <Hobbsee> sydney
[05:40] <tseng> er
[05:40] <tseng> so why werent you at UDU
[05:40] <Hobbsee> i only started using linux later that year...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> and a lack of car/licence would have also had an effect on that :P
[05:40] <ajmitch> yes, UDU
[05:41] <ajmitch> fun
[05:41] <tseng> aj and i could have given you the finger
[05:41] <ajmitch> hah
[05:41] <StevenK> Anyway, I'd just came back from LCA.
[05:41] <ajmitch> StevenK: no excuse
[05:41] <StevenK> Ouch
[05:41] <tseng> StevenK: we ran into people from lca
[05:41] <StevenK> ajmitch: IE: Work would probably not given me the time off.
[05:42] <tseng> i happened upon jelmer at a resteraunt in sydney
[05:42] <tseng> by pure luck
[05:42] <tseng> I have no idea how it happened
[05:42] <tseng> I didnt realize I had already met him on irc until months later, too
[05:42] <tseng> he showed me a picture of me sitting next to him
[05:42] <tseng> small world
[05:42] <ajmitch> & then I met him in dunedin at LCA
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe - and then it became pretty obviuos
[05:42] <ajmitch> except that was planned
[05:43] <tseng> Hobbsee: yeah not much arguing with that
[05:43] <StevenK> Wah.
[05:43] <StevenK> I've had a bug I've been meaning to file for 11 days now.
[05:44] <ajmitch> why did I get about 10 f-spot bugs in 2 days
[05:44] <tseng> ajmitch: people got tired of filing beagle bugs?
[05:44] <StevenK> "Printers device nodes are created with group lp, but the first user isn't in group lp."
[05:44] <ajmitch> they must have
[05:45] <StevenK> ajmitch: So now Dapper can be released with no bugs since you just closed them all?
[05:45] <tseng> Mithrandir: http://planetob.openmonkey.com/ < planet openbox
[05:45] <tseng> Mithrandir: there are some lamers on there, but good themes come up
[05:45] <ajmitch> StevenK: sure
[05:45] <ajmitch> if the launchpad page loads
[05:45] <tseng> i wish i still had my screenshot of launchpad back in the day
[05:46] <tseng> where it said there were 0 bugs ever reported in ubuntu
[05:46] <Lathiat> heh
[05:46] <StevenK> Heh
[05:46] <LaserJock> not even #1?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:46] <tseng> no, that wasnt against Ubuntu
[05:46] <tseng> or something
[05:46] <LaserJock> ah
[05:47] <tseng> or the count wasnt rigged up
[05:47] <tseng> there wasnt much working on launchpad 2 years ago
[05:47] <tseng> or whatever it was
[05:47] <ajmitch> it's improved a little
[05:48] <StevenK> Only a little?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> heh, a little.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> what's with people wanting to upgrade to mostly non-existant releases?
[05:48] <Lathiat> what they want to upgrade to edgy? :)
[05:48] <ajmitch> aren't you going to dist-upgrade to edgy in a week?
[05:48] <StevenK> How can a release be mostly non-existant?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: no, they wanted kde4
[05:49] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: oh, heh
[05:49] <Hobbsee> StevenK: parts of it are done - most isnt
[05:49] <StevenK> Is that like calling a fish a little bit wet?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: well...i'll tripple boot, yeah
[05:49] <crimsun> require x.org 7.1 and kde 4 and linux 3.0!!!
[05:49] <Lathiat> im waiting for the flood next week of "we want edgy" ;)
[05:49] <Lathiat> crimsun: heh
[05:49] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:49] <crimsun> lo barry
[05:49] <ajmitch> since obviously edgy will have all the best crack
[05:49] <StevenK> Lathiat: Assign them all to sabdfl. ;-P
[05:49] <bddebian> tseng: Let me know if you are serious about a local release party!
[05:49] <tseng> bddebian: i am
[05:50] <tseng> bddebian: but i am not serious about organizing it
[05:50] <tseng> so I have a feeling..
[05:50] <bddebian> Gah
[05:50] <tseng> we are in trouble :)
[05:50] <StevenK> ajmitch: Why? Are you the only Ubuntu user in .nz?
[05:51] <ajmitch> StevenK: yep
[05:51] <StevenK> Hah
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: how about you install ubuntu on all the flat's computers, and then celebrate with them?
[05:51] <ajmitch> maybe I can commiserate together with mpt
[05:51] <Hobbsee> haha - no he isnt :P
[05:51] <tseng> no idea what happened to Brandy Westcott
[05:51] <tseng> she disappeared from teh earth
[05:52] <ajmitch> tseng: probably reappeared under another name where she wouldn't be harassed by gentoo users
[05:52] <StevenK> Heh
[05:52] <tseng> hahah.
[05:52] <bddebian> heh
[05:52] <Hobbsee> hehe - that wouldnt surprise me
[05:52] <StevenK> ajmitch: Like "Bob Westcott" :-P
[05:54] <ajmitch> most likely
[06:09] <Amaranth> heh, any of you in the SoC group?
[06:09] <Amaranth> first day it people were on it someone asks "any girls here?"
[06:10] <tseng> haha
[06:10] <tseng> Hobbsee gets hit on all the time around here
[06:10] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:10] <tseng> it is tough to be a girl
[06:10] <Amaranth> dapper rc iso in 19 minutes
[06:10] <Amaranth> *drool*
[06:10] <Lathiat> lol Amaranth
[06:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:11] <Hobbsee> tseng: so does this mean that i should not want to meet any of you in person?
[06:11] <tseng> Hobbsee: I'm kidding!
[06:11] <tseng> Mary survived us
[06:11] <Amaranth> I once played an online space game pretending to be a woman, just to see what would happen.
[06:11] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I wouldn't trust any of them
[06:11] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: that's the point where you're supposed to say "no, girls dont exist" and provide the supplimentary link
[06:11] <Amaranth> Got asked some really...dirty questions.
[06:12] <Lathiat> Amaranth: joining #teens as 'lisa17f' is a more interesting experiment, 3 seconds and 30 query windows later...
[06:12] <Amaranth> heh
[06:12] <bddebian> hehe
[06:12] <Amaranth> the game is full of people calling each other 'n00b', 'kid', etc
[06:12] <Lathiat> then just say something like '17 f, cam, want to chat?" and you get 50 more ;)
[06:12] <ajmitch> Lathiat: sad
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: urgh, yuck.  i hate being asked them.
[06:12] <Amaranth> i usually turn off the chat window when i play that game, it's fun otherwise
[06:13] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: hehe, i came up with some interesting answers
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: do i want to know what they were?  you could give me some good ideas for when i next get hit on :P
[06:13] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: at least you know where to go when you want a date? ;-)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: haha.  i have many choices for that, it seems :P
[06:14] <Hobbsee> it's not really the online version that's disturbing - the versions in person are far more disturbing!
[06:15] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: the answers usually involved two goats and something that runs on batteries :)
[06:15] <LaserJock> yeah, I get hit on in RL all the time :-)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: hehe.  i cant even begin to imagine some of the responses you'd get after that...
[06:16] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: "that's gross", "you're weird", "*silence*"
[06:16] <Amaranth> more vulgar, but that's what it breaks down to
[06:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:20] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:20] <Hobbsee> very useful :P
[06:20] <Amaranth> happy to help :D
[06:21] <Hobbsee> haha - want to go bash them up too?
[06:21] <bddebian> Uh oh, she's bashing again..
[06:22] <Hobbsee> bddebian: why, did you deserve bashing up?
[06:22] <ajmitch> of course
[06:22] <bddebian> I wondered who was going to get there first? :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> bddebian: we know you wouldn't
[06:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:24] <ajmitch> but you are
[06:24] <bddebian> By my kids maybe :-)
[06:24] <ajmitch> and here, of course :)
[06:25] <bddebian> Heh
[06:26] <Hobbsee> hmm...no, i'ts not hug day yet is it?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> guess hug day this week is gone though :P
[06:26] <bddebian> Every day is hug day :-)
[06:26] <Hobbsee> poor bddebian, no hugs for him with the hug day
[06:26] <ajmitch> every day is hug day!
[06:26] <Hobbsee> there you go :P
[06:28] <bddebian> Aww, thx
[06:31] <chillywilly> silly open source hippies ;)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:31] <chillywilly> it's all about the love isn't it?
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hi chillywilly
[06:31] <bddebian> Heh.. Heya chillywilly
[06:31] <chillywilly> hi
[06:31] <ajmitch> chillywilly: yes, you commie
[06:31] <chillywilly> lol
[06:32] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i think i screwed my wrist up again - i should probably stop typing :P
[06:32] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: could be a good idea
[06:32] <chillywilly> I just installed opengroupware and all I have to say is that open source groupware needs polishing...
[06:32] <Hobbsee> bah.   maths assignment looks more evil - i'll stay here
[06:33] <crimsun> there are a number of "alternate" keyboard mappings that may help with wrist discomfort
[06:33] <chillywilly> how about just take a break from the computer for a while ;)
[06:33] <chillywilly> that's what I do
[06:33] <chillywilly> :)
[06:33] <Hobbsee> hmmm...feeling my fingers, i think it's due to cold :P
[06:33] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:34] <chillywilly> my wrist was killing me
[06:34] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hmm?
[06:34] <chillywilly> sorr dude, it's *typing* related
[06:34] <chillywilly> sorry*
[06:35] <Hobbsee> on second thoughts, i dont wnat to know!
[06:35] <bddebian> Exactly :-)
[06:35] <chillywilly> you're a sick old man
[06:35] <bddebian> Yep
[06:35] <Hobbsee> let alone actually saying it
[06:35] <bddebian> I never said it
[06:36] <Hobbsee> aluding to it, whatever...
[06:36] <chillywilly> implying....
[06:36] <Hobbsee> that's the one
[06:37] <LaserJock> oh ok, anybody know of any debconf guides/tutorials
[06:39] <crimsun> hi, let me intro you to http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html
[06:39] <LaserJock> crimsun: ah, beautiful
[06:40] <crimsun> I strongly recommend you bookmark http://www.fifi.org/documentation/
[06:40] <LaserJock> roger that
[06:40] <chillywilly> fifi.org? that's a funny domain
[06:40] <chillywilly> :)
[06:40] <crimsun> yeah, those silly open source hippies have all the crazy domains
[06:41] <chillywilly> make me think of a little poodle
[06:41] <chillywilly> makes
[06:41] <chillywilly> that was a joke
[06:41] <chillywilly> ANYWAY
[06:44] <LaserJock> lol
[06:44] <bddebian> OK, time for this dirty old man to go to bed.  Gnight folks
[06:45] <LaserJock> cya bddebian
[07:04] <Hobbsee> bah.    please tell me that launchpad is working!
[07:04] <crimsun> it's not. (502)
[07:05] <Hobbsee> :(
[07:05] <Hobbsee> i thought i heard that it was fixed.  maybe i'm delusional...
[07:05] <crimsun> yeah, I'm attempting to triage, too, which makes it difficult
[07:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:06] <Hobbsee> i *just* discovered a patch to fix the kopete configure crash.  and can do nothing about it :P
[08:15] <tuxmaniac> Very slow launchpad :(
[08:16] <robitaille> yeah...it's seems to be dying since a few minutes ago
[08:16] <crimsun> gah, No, Not Right When I'm Attempting To Attach A Debdiff
[08:16] <ajmitch> it's release-time jitters
[08:17] <tuxmaniac> ajmitch: oh ok
[08:24] <crimsun> yay, 502s again
[08:25] <Hobbsee> ack.  i just walked into a wall.
[08:25] <crimsun> Hobbsee: that couldn't have been pleasant
[08:26] <Hobbsee> hehe!  i tried to miss it!
[08:36] <tuxmaniac> hey.. How do I confirm bugs via mail. I mean how do I change the status?
[08:37] <tuxmaniac> Is it possible?
[08:37] <tuxmaniac> this proxy error is irritating me at a crucial point.. When I can really increase my Karma :)
[08:38] <crimsun> oh don't worry, you'll have /plenty/ of opportunities post-dapper
[08:38] <tuxmaniac> aah up
[08:38] <tuxmaniac> launchpad is back
[08:38] <crimsun> we're about to see a deluge of bug reports
[08:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:39] <Hobbsee> mind you, it's easier to keep track and grab dupes when they land in your inbox...
[08:40] <Hobbsee> wasnt intended to be, tuxmaniac
[08:40] <tuxmaniac> heh.. Hobbsee just kidding
[08:42] <tuxmaniac> aah.. To whom should I assign a bug in gbib?
[08:42] <tuxmaniac> gnome team?
[09:27] <\sh> yawn...moins
[09:27] <Hobbsee> hi \sh
[09:28] <\sh> brrr...
[09:30] <\sh> that was cold ;)
[09:31] <Hobbsee> that was the point
[09:31] <ajmitch> cruel hobbsee
[09:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: it was in his best interests!
[09:32] <ajmitch> still cruel
[09:32] <Hobbsee> -s
[09:32] <Hobbsee> well....
[09:32] <tritium> hi \sh :)
[09:32] <Hobbsee> besides, it's kinda fun to have a bucket of water thrown on you...
[09:32] <ajmitch> no it's not
[09:32] <\sh> moins tritium
[09:33] <ajmitch> & hi \sh :)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hi tritium
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:33] <tritium> \sh: thanks for the mention in your blog about libpam-mount :)
[09:33] <ajmitch> morning tritium
[09:33] <tritium> hi Hobbsee, ajmitch
[09:33] <tritium> yeah, morning indeed!  it's 1:30 a.m.
[09:33] <\sh> tritium: no problem :)
[09:36] <tritium> Hobbsee: please throw some water my way...we're having a drought
[09:37] <Hobbsee> as you wish :)
[09:37] <tritium> ah, thanks ;)
[09:37] <tritium> now, to desalinate all that...
[09:38] <ajmitch> I doubt .au has any water to spare
[09:38] <Hobbsee> desalination plant
[09:38] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ah yes, but when you grab the water from a spare, unused planet...then there's plenty of it to go around!
[09:38] <Hobbsee> just a bit of an issue trying to transport it
[09:38] <tritium> thank goodness for spare, unused planets, then
[09:39] <ajmitch> right...
[09:42] <\sh> oh planets.....I'm planning universe.kubuntu.de, for all kubuntu users around the world :)
[10:52] <Mithrandir> tseng: cheers
[11:55] <phanatic> hi people
[12:00] <Gloubiboulga> morning phanatic
[12:00] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga
[12:28] <`6og> hi Hobbsee
[12:28] <Hobbsee> hi `6og
[12:29] <`6og> hows you going?
[12:29] <`6og> *woot*. thin client installed ok. *bout time*
[12:29] <Hobbsee> i'm okay
[12:29] <`6og> cool
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hi tuxmaniac
[12:34] <tuxmaniac> Hobbsee: aahh.. that better :D Hi
[01:00] <sivang> hey Hobbsee
[01:00] <sivang> Hobbsee: how are you doing?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> hi sivang :)
[01:00] <Hobbsee> i'm okay, munching on dinner :)
[01:00] <sivang> oh good
[01:00] <phanatic> hi sivang
[01:00] <sivang> hey phanatic !
[01:00] <sivang> phanatic: how are you dude?
[01:00] <`6og> Hobbsee: bit late
[01:00] <Hobbsee> `6og: not relaly, i had lunch at around 4.
[01:01] <phanatic> sivang: preparing for soc and some school stuff
[01:01] <Hobbsee> phanatic: fun, what are you doing for soc?
[01:01] <phanatic> sivang: what about you?
[01:01] <phanatic> Hobbsee: gui for bzr
[01:01] <Hobbsee> phanatic: fun :)
[01:02] <phanatic> Hobbsee: i hope it will be fun :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:03] <sivang> phanatic: looking for a new apartment, thinking up what to do for HUB for Edgy, and currently trying to patch to fix malone #39482
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39482 in nautilus "nautilus tries to move when dragging and dropping from read-only folders, instead of copying" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39482
[01:03] <`6og> Hobbsee: hehehe. not going to comment
[01:03] <Hobbsee> `6og: many people would do it, you think?
[01:04] <`6og> Hobbsee: judging by the attendance at googles free beer at LCA2k6, yes, i think 1 or 5billion people would
[01:04] <phanatic> sivang: good luck :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:05] <sivang> phanatic: thanks :)
[01:05] <sivang> phanatic: what is your SoC project?
[01:05] <phanatic> sivang: i mentioned above, it's a gui for bzr vcs
[01:06] <sivang> ah right! that coolets SoC we have ;-)
[01:06] <`6og> phanatic: hey, cool
[01:07] <phanatic> i'm far from being cool :)
[01:07] <phanatic> `6og: thanks
[01:09] <phanatic> `6og: first i have to finish my exams :/
[01:09] <`6og> :(
[01:11] <tuxmaniac> Any opera users here?
[01:11] <Gloubiboulga> tuxmaniac, yes
[01:15] <tuxmaniac> Gloubiboulga: have you intalled opera on dapper?
[01:15] <Gloubiboulga> tuxmaniac, yes
[01:15] <Gloubiboulga> I had to install the breezy xlibs package too, but it works :)
[01:17] <tuxmaniac> Gloubiboulga: which one you installed? Debian sid binary?
[01:17] <Gloubiboulga> tuxmaniac, the etch package iirc
[01:26] <tuxmaniac> ahh.. breezy xlibs packages..
[01:26] <tuxmaniac> thats exactly where the problem is.. I got it.. It is not finding the deps when I install from the bin
[01:27] <tuxmaniac> yes.
[02:00] <pianoboy3333> Can anyone here help me with building a debian package on a python module with a setup.py script? I know I have to use CDBS but I put the python thing in there and dpkg-buildpackage is looking for a configure script still :(
[02:02] <hub> sivang: what do you want to do to me?
[02:04] <phanatic> hub: i think he meant hubackup ;)
[02:26] <highvoltage> hubackup is quite cool
[02:26] <sivang> :)
[02:27] <sivang> highvoltage: you tried to use it some bits?
[02:28] <highvoltage> just launched it and poked around. i was trying to figure out if it could be used for multiple users
[02:28] <highvoltage> and if it could be used in schools
[02:28] <highvoltage> although i need to poke around some more :)
[02:28] <sivang> ofcourse
[02:29] <sivang> make sure you report everything that looks weird, or otherwise cripples a certain use case in malone
[02:29] <sivang> then work towards again a focusesed, robust and easy to use solutions.
[02:29] <sivang> Edubuntu should be able to benefit it just as well
[02:30] <highvoltage> yes
[02:36] <sivang> highvoltage: I had plans to make it even bigger and more featureful for edgy, but it seems it'd be better to concentrate on making it rock solid, fix bugs, and usabilty for now.
[02:36] <sivang> (among the plans was to make it a complete disaster recovery solution)
[02:37] <highvoltage> good idea :)
[03:57] <Yagisan> G'day doko_, you around ?
[03:58] <dholbach> heya Yagisan
[03:58] <Yagisan> details details
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hi Yagisan.  ditto highvoltage's comment.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[03:59] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee
[03:59] <dholbach> how is Universe looking for release?
[03:59] <dholbach> does anybody care enough to file another bunch of UNMETDEPS bugs?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> dholbach: to file them, or to fix the things?
[04:00] <\sh> give me some, and I fix them in the next 2-3 hours until I go to bed ;)
[04:01] <\sh> someone needs to sponsor my uploads
[04:01] <dholbach> apt-cache -i unmet
[04:01] <dholbach> that's no rocket science
[04:02] <Hobbsee> lovely.
[04:02] <\sh> updating dapper pbuilder
[04:03] <dholbach> and there some other things left as well (in the topic)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: yeah, but how many will bddebian beat me too this time, and not update malone to say he's done them?  :P
[04:03] <dholbach> are the icon cache things done?
[04:03] <Hobbsee> dholbach: yep
[04:03] <dholbach> rock on!
[04:03] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:03] <dholbach> you ROCK
[04:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon did some good work on them :)
[04:04] <dholbach> 5 mysqlclient bugs left
[04:04] <dholbach> niec
[04:04] <dholbach> nice
[04:04] <dholbach> and 12 unmetdeps
[04:04] <Hobbsee> only that many hey?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> wow
[04:04] <Yagisan> hmm. I can't reproduce Bug #46710. It plays all the crap I throw at it. Shall I reject it ?
[04:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46710 in mplayer "mplayer does not play divx files" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46710
[04:05] <dholbach> Yagisan: ask for more info - terminal output, run "file" on that file etc
[04:05] <\sh> Yagisan: you don't have win32codecs installed?
[04:05] <Yagisan> I'm amd64
[04:06] <\sh> strange...
[04:06] <Yagisan> Tested with DivX3, Divx5, Xvid. hmm, I have quite the collection here
[04:06] <ajmitch> dholbach: really only 12 left?
[04:06] <\sh> I'm checking gnade
[04:06] <dholbach> ajmitch: looks like it
[04:06] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$ LC_ALL=C apt-cache -i unmet | grep Package | cut -d' ' -f2  | sort -u | xargs apt-cache showsrc | grep Package: | sed 's/Package\:\ //g' | sort -u | wc -l
[04:06] <dholbach> 51
[04:06] <dholbach> daniel@bert:~$
[04:06] <dholbach> that's on AMD64
[04:07] <dholbach> i'll file some more on i386
[04:07] <ajmitch> so I suppose I could fix those up
[04:07] <dholbach> s/could/should!
[04:07] <dholbach> :-p
[04:08] <\sh> dholbach: 53 here on amd64
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:08] <Hobbsee> 30 on i386
[04:08] <dholbach> \sh: must be dependant on the repos
[04:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: I can easily fix them, but it's a matter of letting them depend on a new API, which I haven't tested
[04:08] <dholbach> well
[04:08] <\sh> dholbach: just updated :)
[04:09] <ajmitch> better to get them done than to not have them installable at all, I know..
[04:09] <\sh> who can sponsor uploads?
[04:14] <\sh> what a bastard
[04:14] <\sh> regexp:=^Version: \([0-9] \+\)\.\([0-9] \+\)\.\([0-9a-z] \+\)-\([0-9.] \+\)$$
[04:14] <\sh> major:=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Version: | sed 's/$(regexp)/\1/')
[04:14] <\sh> minor:=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Version: | sed  's/$(regexp)/\2/')
[04:14] <\sh> regexp:=^Version: \([0-9] \+\)\.\([0-9] \+\)\.\([0-9a-z] \+\)-\([0-9.] \+\)$$
[04:14] <\sh> major:=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Version: | sed 's/$(regexp)/\1/')
[04:14] <\sh> minor:=$(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^Version: | sed  's/$(regexp)/\2/')
[04:14] <\sh> grmpf
[04:15] <\sh> he is fetching the bloody major/minor version for the lib from changelog
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe.  more bugs for you to fix :P
[04:16] <ajmitch> :P
[04:16] <ajmitch> no, I'll just walk away from the computer
[04:16] <\sh> ajmitch: you don't ;)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ah yes...you can do that now...you cant soon though :P
[04:16] <ajmitch> I will, don't worry
[04:16] <\sh> ajmitch: if I can fix some packages you have to upload ;)
[04:16] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: why wouldn't I be able to?
[04:16] <ajmitch> \sh: too bad, it's past 2AM
[04:16] <\sh> ajmitch: grmpf
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: because you dont know your way around sydney, when you're over here, and you cant drive?
[04:17] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: maps are easy to come by
[04:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:17] <Yagisan> ajmitch & sydney ??
[04:17] <Hobbsee> yes, but public transport is not so easy...
[04:17] <ajmitch> excellent, zope-docfindertab is horribly out of date in ubuntu & debian
[04:17] <ajmitch> Yagisan: ?
[04:17] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: I'm the master of Sydney Public transport
[04:18] <dholbach> ok, just filed a few more
[04:18] <Yagisan> ajmitch: Hobbsee mentioned something about you and Sydney. Thought I might get to see you in person again
[04:18] <ajmitch> Yagisan: yes, quite possibly
[04:19] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: it's true, I know more bout it then the public transport workers do
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ehhe
[04:19] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: and in some places, its , well, awful is an understatement
[04:19] <ajmitch> Yagisan: that's great to know
[04:20] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: reckon you could whinge about us not having a trainline?
[04:20] <ajmitch> I'll know to leave at least half a day free for missed trains
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:20] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:21] <Yagisan> ajmitch: oh, no, the train comes. It just waits 30 minutes, 100 metres from your station, with no air-con
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe!  that's very true, actually :P
[04:21] <ajmitch> bug 47091
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47091 in grub-installer "Installer Crashed on Dapper 6.06 installation" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47091
[04:21] <ajmitch> someone pasted all 400K or so of logs into the description field
[04:22] <\sh> lol
[04:22] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[04:23] <\sh> gnat - the ada 95 compiler, is only compiled on i386, no wonder why gnade is not working on amd64 ;)
[04:23] <\sh> gnat-4.0 as bdep doesn't work
[04:23] <\sh> but as it looks like gnat-3.3 works
[04:24] <Yagisan> \sh: I know ada is in gcc-4.1, but a) it's to late for dapper, and b) it FTBFS in a dapper pbuilder for some whacked out reason
[04:24] <\sh> Yagisan: we have gnat-4.0 but the source of gnade is somehow outdated :(
[04:24] <\sh> and a working version with gnat-3.3 is better then a non working version, right?
[04:25] <Yagisan> \sh: yes. even though I have no idea what gnade is
[04:26] <\sh> /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/3.3.6/adalib/libgnat.a(a-except.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `ada__exceptions__null_occurrence' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[04:26] <\sh> /usr/lib/gcc-lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/3.3.6/adalib/libgnat.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[04:26] <\sh> more fun
[04:26] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: or just bugfix :P
[04:26] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: no, sleep
[04:26] <Hobbsee> sleep's overrated.
[04:26] <\sh> Yagisan: Description: Develoment files for the GNat Ada Database Environment
[04:26] <\sh>  GNADE is a complete database development environment for Ada
[04:26] <\sh>  programmers.  It consists of:
[04:28] <\sh> or I set the Architecture to i386 only :
[04:28] <\sh> :(
[04:28] <Yagisan> \sh: isn't it somewhat ironic, that an ada ide, written in ada, fails to work with current ada
[04:29] <\sh> of course
[04:32] <\sh> ok...setting architecture to i386...
[04:36] <ajmitch> gar
[04:36] <ajmitch> bad line endings
[04:36] <ajmitch> someone copied the zope products dir over from windows...
[04:37] <ajmitch> the whole site dead...
[04:37] <Hobbsee> hehe great!
[04:37] <ajmitch> yes, just wonderful
[04:38] <ajmitch> it'll take a little while to sort out
[04:38] <\sh> ajmitch: a project of yours? :)
[04:38] <ajmitch> \sh: yeah
[04:39] <\sh> ajmitch: fun
[04:39] <ajmitch> very
[04:42] <ajmitch> at least tr ought to fix it all up
[04:43] <\sh> who has time to sponsor uploads?
[04:46] <ajmitch> not me, I'm off to bed right now
[04:46] <Hobbsee> night ajmitch
[04:46] <ajmitch> can't be bothered trying to fix up this \r\n mess
[04:46] <ajmitch> night
[04:46] <Hobbsee> sure you are :P
[04:46] <doko_> Yagisan: what's up?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> mmm...bed...could be a plan
[04:46] <ajmitch> oh, and doko_ is here after all.. :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:54] <bmonty> I'll work UNMETDEPS....\sh you still here?
[04:55] <Yagisan> G'day doko_. Tried to build debian's gcc-4.1 in a dapper pbuilder and got an odd error.
[04:55] <Yagisan> doko_: dpkg-gencontrol: error: package fastjar not in control info
[04:55] <Yagisan> dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 65280
[04:55] <Yagisan> make[1] : *** [stamps/08-binary-stamp-fastjar]  Error 1
[04:55] <Yagisan> doko_: yet, it's in the control file. any ideas ?
[04:56] <doko_> Yagisan: no, it built fine on the buildd's.
[04:56] <\sh> bmonty: sure
[04:57] <bmonty> which packages are you working?
[04:58] <Yagisan> doko_: it is an odd error. never seen it before ?
[04:58] <\sh> bmonty: right now python biggles
[04:59] <bmonty> \sh: good thing you said that, I just dl'ed it :)
[04:59] <\sh> bmonty: but if you can sponsor: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnade/+bug/45097
[04:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45097 in gnade "[LIBMYSQLCLIENT]  gnade links against old libmysqlclient" [Normal,Fix committed] 
[04:59] <bmonty> \sh: will do
[04:59] <\sh> bmonty: thx
[05:00] <doko_> Yagisan: no
[05:00] <Yagisan> doko_: would the log be useful for you ?
[05:01] <doko_> Yagisan: no. is fastjar in debian/control? if not, please find out, why
[05:02] <Yagisan> doko_: it is in debian/control, thats why I'm confused.
[05:02] <Yagisan> doko_: as far as I can tell, that should have built
[05:05] <\sh> bmonty: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-biggles/+bug/47111 done
[05:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47111 in python-biggles "[UNMETDEPS]  python-biggles links against old libmysqlclient" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[05:06] <\sh> bmonty: oh the title is totally bollocks ;)
[05:06] <bmonty> \sh: I got an error trying to build gnade
[05:06] <bmonty>  -> Considering  gnat (>= 3.15p-19)
[05:06] <bmonty>       Tried versions: 3.15p-13
[05:07] <\sh> bmonty: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-biggles/+bug/47111
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47111 in python-biggles "[UNMETDEPS]  python-biggles links against old libmysqlclient" [Normal,Confirmed] 
[05:07] <\sh> hach
[05:07] <\sh> Maintainer: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic@ludovic-brenta.org>
[05:07] <\sh> Architecture: i386
[05:07] <\sh> Version: 3.15p-19
[05:07] <\sh> ah wait
[05:07] <bmonty> hmm, I just ran update, and apt-cache show gives me 3.15p-19 :(
[05:08] <\sh> bmonty: i386 or amd64 pbuilder?
[05:08] <bmonty> \sh: i386
[05:09] <bmonty> I just did update with --override-config and now it is pulling down a bunch more packages
[05:09] <\sh> what was the correct control field for build-arch? Architecture or Build-Architecture?
[05:11] <bmonty> \sh: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture
[05:11] <bmonty> you had it right
[05:12] <\sh> I'm totally confused right now, because in the company I'm building rpm packages ;)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> night all...
[05:14] <\sh> night Hobbsee
[05:15] <Yagisan> night Hobbsee
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: wont you sleep sometime?
[05:15] <\sh> bmonty: working on libadabindx
[05:16] <neutrinomass> Is it possible that a package A depends on B which depends on C, but that A doesn't include C in its dependencies (let C be a widget toolkit) ? Or can I take it for granted that if a program has a GUI, it depends on the toolkit directly ?
[05:16] <bmonty> \sh: ok, I'm working on squishdot
[05:16] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: my daughter won't shut up. I don't get sleep even if I want it
[05:16] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: she wants to play
[05:16] <\sh> bmonty: k
[05:16] <bmonty> neutrinomass: depends on how you set up the control file, but in general yes
[05:17] <neutrinomass> bmonty: Thanks. I am trying to seperate the non-GUI programs from the GUI programs, that's why I'm asking ...
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Yagisan: ah.  ouch.
[05:19] <dholbach> some might have noticed: "links against old version of libmysqlclient" is the wrong title for unmetdeps bugs..
[05:19] <dholbach> narf
[05:20] <Yagisan> Hobbsee: yes, ouch indeed. her whinging wake up bub, who then whinges. I need 2 pairs of earplugs here
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:20] <\sh> any ada freak online?
[05:22] <\sh> bmonty: working on php4-yaz
[05:22] <bmonty> \sh: I just found a typo in the description of gnade-dev, do you mind if I add a line to your changelog entry?
[05:23] <\sh> bmonty: no :)
[05:25] <\sh> oh how nice
[05:25] <\sh> I just broke my passwd
[05:26] <bmonty> \sh: I've done that a couple times :)
[05:26] <\sh> now I need root access from remote..because no keyboard and no display on that server
[05:31] <lucas> im trying to get an ubuntu deb from debain sources using pbuilder, but i get an error:
[05:31] <lucas> ** ERROR:Unable to find glib-2.0 of version 2.0 or above **
[05:36] <\sh> bmonty: php4-yaz can be uploaded .. debdiff attached to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/php4-yaz/+bug/47110
[05:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47110 in php4-yaz "[UNMETDEPS]  php4-yaz links against old libmysqlclient" [Normal,Fix committed] 
[05:37] <bmonty> \sh: ok, gnade is uploaded, and python-biggles will be soon
[05:37] <\sh> bmonty: cool thx :)
[05:37] <\sh> bmonty: working on python-scipy
[05:40] <lucas> does anyone know why it complains about missing glib?
[05:41] <lucas> i have libglib2.0-dev and libglib2.0-0 installed
[05:43] <\sh> brb need to finish my laundry task
[05:57] <\sh> bmonty: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/python-scipy/+bug/47106 done
[05:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47106 in python-scipy "[UNMETDEPS]  python-scipy links against old libmysqlclient" [Normal,Fix committed] 
[06:03] <bmonty> anyone know how the ${zope: Depends} works in a control file? It seems to pull in zope2.6 | zope 2.7, but ubuntu has zope2.8 | zope2.9
[06:03] <bmonty> \sh: ok
[06:04] <\sh> hmm..no substvars in the debian/ dir?
[06:04] <crimsun> does it work the same way as ${python: Depends}?  i.e., you need to build-depend on zope2.8 or zope2.9
[06:04] <LaserJock> ack scipy was in the libmysqlclient transition?
[06:04] <\sh> no
[06:04] <\sh> it's a wrong title
[06:04] <\sh> unmet deps
[06:05] <\sh> is correct
[06:05] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[06:05] <LaserJock> still, it should be on my list
[06:05] <LaserJock> hm
[06:05] <\sh> LaserJock: python-scipy is done ;)
[06:05] <\sh> hmm...the rescue mode, does it give me a root shell?
[06:06] <crimsun> yes
[06:06] <LaserJock> \sh: thats cool
[06:06] <bmonty> guess I can hardcode the package depends, but I'd rather see the macro work correctly
[06:06] <crimsun> (it will prompt for a passwd if you've set a root one, otherwise it won't)
[06:06] <\sh> crimsun: so no root password == direct root shell to change my password?
[06:07] <\sh> bmonty: which package?
[06:07] <crimsun> \sh: correct
[06:07] <bmonty> \sh: squishdot
[06:08] <\sh> bmonty: check dzproduct
[06:08] <\sh> in debian dir
[06:08] <bmonty> \sh: yeah, I just found that :)
[06:08] <\sh> hehe
[06:09] <\sh> bmonty: the question is how does it apply this stuff to substvars?
[06:10] <\sh> ah zope-debhelper
[06:12] <\sh> brb fixing my server
[06:12] <\sh> blind
[06:12] <ajmitch> yay, can't sleep
[06:13] <ajmitch> bmonty: ah, you're doing zope stuff...
[06:13] <bmonty> \sh: good question, but updating that file works
[06:13] <bmonty> ajmitch: yeah, any idea how the dzproduct file works?
[06:13] <ajmitch> yes
[06:14] <bmonty> BTW: I verified that this package works with the newer versions of zope
[06:15] <ajmitch> bmonty: then sync it from sid instead of introducing another delta
[06:15] <ajmitch> how did you verify it?
[06:15] <ajmitch> created a zope instance & used the product in it?
[06:15] <bmonty> ajmitch: upstream's web site
[06:15] <ajmitch>    * patched Squishdot/addSquishdotForm.dtml and Squishdot/__init__.py
[06:15] <ajmitch>      to make it work in zope2.8/zope2.9
[06:15] <ajmitch> note that debian has a patch to make it actually work :P
[06:15] <LaserJock> \sh: ah, I see you did biggles as well, is that uploaded?
[06:16] <bmonty> LaserJock: biggles is uploaded
[06:16] <LaserJock> sweet
[06:17] <LaserJock> I guess it would be better if I checked dapper-changes before asking here :-)
[06:17] <bmonty> is the archive team going to process a sync request?
[06:17] <crimsun> bmonty: possibly, though this late in the release cycle I wouldn't hold my breath
[06:18] <ajmitch> I hope so
[06:19] <ajmitch> bmonty: where on the upstream site did you verify that it worked with 2.8 & 2.9?
[06:20] <ajmitch> since the only thing I can see is that it needs the patch mentioned earlier
[06:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: I found it in their mailing list
[06:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: I just requested a sync for it
[06:30] <ajmitch> ok
[06:32] <bmonty> ajmitch: I agree it is kinda worthless to have a package that installs but doesn't work :)
[06:36] <\sh_away> bbl watching V for Vendetta
[06:38] <dholbach> how do we look wrt motureviewers bugs?
[06:38] <dholbach> all done?
[06:39] <tseng> hi dholbach
[06:39] <dholbach> heya tseng!
[06:39] <dholbach> how's it going?
[06:39] <tseng> good, you?
[06:39] <dholbach> fine, thanks
[06:39] <tseng> are you excited for guadec?
[06:40] <dholbach> I'm excited for the release at the moment, after that I'm excited for Ubuntu In Paris, and after that thrilled for GUADEC :)
[06:40] <tseng> ok :)
[06:40] <dholbach> :-))
[06:41] <tseng> http://kitenet.net/~joey/pics/debconf/6/dc6_group_photo_big.sized.jpg
[06:41] <tseng> let's play "where's lamont"
[06:42] <dholbach> found him!
[06:42] <dholbach> wooohoo!
[06:42] <tseng> :)
[06:42] <tseng> next to bdale
[06:42] <tseng> good job
[06:42] <dholbach> yeah
[06:43] <dholbach> who spotted sfllaw?
[06:43] <tseng> brown hat
[06:43] <tseng> i got him
[06:43] <azeem> doko?
[06:44] <tseng> tough one
[06:44] <dholbach> didn't spot doko, mdz and elmo yet
[06:44] <tseng> mdz is near the front
[06:44] <azeem> I don't think elmo is on it
[06:44] <tseng> in his ubuntu t
[06:44] <azeem> where is sabdfl?
[06:44] <tseng> is doko wearing sunglasses?
[06:45] <tseng> next to joeyh
[06:45] <azeem> yes
[06:45] <tseng> i got him
[06:45] <azeem> yes
[06:45] <tseng> this is a good game
[06:45] <tseng> now find manoj
[06:45] <tseng> ( i think thats manoj ? )
[06:46] <azeem> manoj is on the pic, yeah
[06:47] <tseng> i think sabdfl flew out
[06:47] <azeem> he's on it
[06:48] <tseng> oh
[06:48] <tseng> i got him
[06:48] <tseng> light blue tee
[06:48] <ajmitch> sabdfl is there, looking seedy as ever
[06:48] <tseng> next to a jim gettys looking character
[06:48] <tseng> who i suspect isnt actually jim
[06:48] <azeem> it's jim
[06:48] <tseng> he's lost a big tuft of hair since i last saw him
[06:48] <ajmitch> where's the full-sized image?
[06:49] <tseng> on planet somewhere
[06:49] <azeem> ajmitch: gallery.debconf.org
[06:49] <tseng> gotta go
[06:49] <dholbach> ajmitch: drop the 'sized.'
[06:49] <ajmitch> never mind, found the 5MB image
[06:49] <azeem> https://gallery.debconf.org/album13/dc6_group_photo_big?full=1
[06:51] <ajmitch> I'll have to try & make it to the next debconf
[07:21] <zyga> hello
[07:21] <zyga> is anyone working on packaging xara xtreme?
[07:28] <sladen> zyga: http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2006/04/msg00322.html
[07:29] <zyga> sladen: thanks
[07:30] <zyga> thanks, that's clean then
[07:35] <sladen> zyga: it didn't make this release of Ubuntu or the last one, but should be in a good enough state for dapper+1
[07:36] <zyga> sladen: it's useless before they add the lib, no amd64 and there are lots of bugs probably
[07:36] <zyga> but I'm so happy it's usable in some way right now
[07:37] <sladen> zyga: it's 1.5million lines of code;  all of which has had to be ported from MFC to wxwdigets
[07:44] <tseng> hi
[07:45] <bmonty> bbl
[09:32] <LaserJock> hmm, how do you get the postinst, etc. scripts from a .deb without installing it?
[09:32] <crimsun> dpkg-deb -I foo.deb postinst
[09:32] <crimsun> etc.
[09:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: beautiful, thanks
[09:35] <crimsun> np
[09:43] <mdke> hi y'all
[09:44] <mdke> as you know, the documentation on the wiki is moving to a new help wiki soon. I've noticed that some of the MOTU subpages are lined up to be caught in the move, because they are marked as documentation. I think it would be best for them to stay on the main wiki, as they deal with getting involved with development. Does anyone disagree?
[09:44] <crimsun> such as the revu ones, or...?
[09:46] <LaserJock> mdke: all the ones on the CategoryDocumentation are basically covered by the Packaging Guide
[09:46] <LaserJock> so I don't think people would be missing anything by keeping them under MOTU/
[09:46] <mdke> crimsun: School, Packages, Packages/Reviewing, Packages/Review/Tips, Packages/Packaging/Tips,
[09:47] <crimsun> what jordan said
[09:47] <mdke> so they should be included in the move, you think?
[09:47] <LaserJock> no
[09:47] <mdke> oh, good
[09:47] <mdke> i agree :)
[09:48] <mdke> I'll remove them
[09:48] <LaserJock> just from the CategoryDocumentation, right?
[09:48] <mdke> yes, of course
[09:49] <mdke> they are still in CategoryMOTU
[09:49] <LaserJock> great
[10:56] <\sh> re
[11:01] <bmonty> hi \sh
[11:05] <\sh> bmonty: thx for the sponsoring :)
[11:05] <bmonty> \sh: no problem...you did it enough times for me :)
[11:07] <bmonty> \sh: are you going to close the bugs on those packages?
[11:07] <\sh> bmonty: yeah already did for the python-* packages
[11:20] <lucas> hi all
[11:22] <bmonty> hi lucas
[11:24] <bmonty> \sh: did anyone upload php-yaz?
[11:25] <\sh> bmonty: nope
[11:31] <bmonty> \sh: did you run dpkg-buildpackage on php4-yaz?  It is failing at "dist-clean" trying to make a new source package.
[11:33] <\sh> bmonty: on i386? in my amd64 pbuilder it's working nicely, well I have to install php4-dev as debuild pre-require for phpize
[11:35] <bmonty> \sh: thats it....I'm on i386, but should be on amd64 in a week or so :)
[11:35] <bmonty> shouldn't php-dev be a build-dep?
[11:35] <\sh> bmonty: well, it is :)
[11:35] <\sh> bmonty: but the clean rule is executed via debuild -S
[11:36] <\sh> and I wonder if there is another way to avoid installing php{4,5}-dev stuff
[11:37] <\sh> php is evil
[11:39] <bmonty> \sh: yeah, I don't want php-dev installed so I can't make a source package :(
[11:43] <\sh> bmonty: well, you can do that in a chroot, and then clean the chroot
[11:52] <bmonty> can someone please try a rebuild of the rscheme package?  I get a segfault as soon as the build process tries to run rscheme.
[11:57] <\sh> bmonty: one sec
[12:00] <\sh> bmonty: when does it segfault?
[12:01] <bmonty> \sh: rshell/rs -image tmp/system.bas -c.repl system.img