[12:09] <cbx333> hi pygi 
[12:09] <pygi> hey cbx333 
[12:09] <cbx333> https://launchpad.net/products/gisomount
[12:09] <cbx33> take a look
[12:09] <cbx33> thanks to you I got started in python....me and LaserJock are working on it :D
[12:09] <pygi> cbx33, oki, if you say so
[12:10] <pygi> o joy, my fault again :P
[12:10] <cbx33> I wanted to thank you for my assignments....
[12:10] <cbx33> they got me started in python
[12:10] <pygi> heh, no need to thank me :)
[12:11] <cbx33> of course there is :D
[12:11] <cbx33> brb
[12:12] <pygi> cbx33, there is a release already ? :P
[12:16] <pygi> ergh, whats happening with bzr mirroring? :-/
[12:21] <cbx33> pygi, it's because it's using knits and not weaves apprently
[12:21] <pygi> cbx33, ah
[12:21] <cbx33> new vs old format
[12:21] <pygi> they should fix that :P
[12:21] <cbx33> apparently they will ina a few days
[12:21] <cbx33> knits is significaly faster and smaller
[12:22] <pygi> cbx33, gimme package of gisomount? :)
[12:22] <pygi> I see it's already working :P
[12:22] <cbx33> of course
[12:23] <cbx33> you just have to create the /media/vcdrom1 - /media/vcdrom5 dirs manually
[12:23] <pygi> cbx33, that no good :)
[12:23] <cbx33> it will do that automatically soon
[12:23] <pygi> application has to do it :P
[12:23] <cbx33> well, I was thinking it should be done in packaging
[12:23] <cbx33> but LaserJock and I are discussing the best way to implement it
[12:23] <pygi> btw. congrats on your first python project :)
[12:24] <cbx33> thank you
[12:25] <pygi> cbx33, :)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> hey Amaranth, read the scroll back for ogra and I speaking about your soc project
[02:40] <cbx33> nn #edubuntu
[03:06] <bddebian> Hello
[05:56] <jeffwaddell> Hello??
[05:59] <bit_doidao> hello all! i have some little child, and would like to create something like a user, with all stuffs that edubuntu provide us. how can i dow it?
[05:59] <bit_doidao> im using ubuntu dapper right know
[06:00] <bit_doidao> just apt-get install edubuntu-desktop?
[06:01] <jeffwaddell> I'm not sure, about dapper as I don't have it in front of me, however it seems that you are just asking how to create a user?
[06:02] <bddebian> bit_doidao: I believe that should work
[06:02] <bit_doidao> jeffwaddell, not only a user, a user with all the edubuntu artwork, programs etc, so when my child ask me to use the computer, im gonna give him the edubuntu user and password ;)
[06:04] <jeffwaddell> bit_doidao...ahh I see.  I believe that you will need to do the apt-get mentioned and also create a user...
[06:05] <bit_doidao> yes, im installing anyway. lets see what happens. ill have to create the user and put the artwork and edit the icons, right?
[06:07] <jeffwaddell> I don't know if the edubuntu packages give you the option of doing that when creating the user or not...
[06:08] <bit_doidao> yeah. im making some contacts, and i am planning to install the edubuntu on a school near my company
[06:09] <bit_doidao> i live in brazil. do you know some tutorials to install edubuntu for this situation? (students will have login and password)
[06:11] <jeffwaddell> have you looked at the cookbook yet?
[06:13] <bit_doidao> just going into wikis...
[06:17] <bit_doidao> only have infos about ltsp server
[06:21] <jeffwaddell> looks like it's not there or not existing yet...I'll have to look some more..
[06:23] <bit_doidao> hummm, im gonna study this. this school, near my company, have good hardware, so, ill thiking about a samba controlling the /homes and auth, and a way to create users for basic and advanced, basic will be for very little childs, and advanced for 12+
[06:24] <jeffwaddell> perhaps you could document your process as you go through it so we can see what needs to be clearer
[06:25] <bit_doidao> jeffwaddell, certainly im gonna do that!
[06:25] <jeffwaddell> awesome
[06:26] <bit_doidao> tomorrow im gonna contact the lady from this school again and confirm the installation. but first im gonna read some samba tutorials on how to do it, if i have troubles, im going right here :P
[06:27] <jeffwaddell> hopefully you will find help here...you are welcome to email me at jefferydouglaswaddell@gmail.com if you need to
[06:28] <bit_doidao> owk, bookmarked!
[06:28] <bit_doidao> you know this stuff about schooltool too?
[06:29] <bit_doidao> ok, i need to go. see you!
[06:30] <jeffwaddell> bye
[06:32] <jeffwaddell> need to go myself...later
[08:50] <lucasvo> omg
[08:50] <lucasvo> my pc just killed nautilus :(
[08:50] <lucasvo> it is using too much memory
[08:50] <lucasvo> something went wrong in last update
[10:26] <lucasvo> where is the edubuntu testing page?
[10:27] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i think it's https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/CurrentEdubuntu?highlight=%28testing%29
[10:37] <lucasvo>  ty highvoltage 
[10:48] <cbx33> good morning #edubuntu
[10:48] <highvoltage> good morning cbx33 
[10:49] <cbx33> hey highvoltage howz it going
[10:49] <highvoltage> i think it's going well.
[10:50] <cbx33> good good
[10:52] <highvoltage> you good too?
[10:53] <pygi> hey cbx33, highvoltage 
[10:53] <lucasvo> ah today is a stupid day
[10:54] <lucasvo> it's rainy
[10:54] <lucasvo> my backup didn't work
[10:54] <lucasvo> my system crashed
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ogra: can you take a look at this very wierd comment? http://trends.newsforge.com/comments.pl?sid=56487&cid=127031
[10:54] <Burgundavia> ogra: the "didn't experience.." one, point 2 and 3
[10:54] <cbx33> yeh I'm really good
[10:59] <lucasvo> at least the edubuntu install went fine :)
[11:04] <cbx33> lucasvo, today is a stupid day here too
[11:04] <cbx33> I have to reinstall a windows pc
[11:04] <cbx33> blleeughh
[11:07] <lucasvo> I hate doing backups
[11:07] <lucasvo> I think I'll just buy swiss vault
[11:09] <pygi> lucasvo, whats wrong with backups? :)
[11:10] <lucasvo> pygi: I always do something wrong
[11:10] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[11:10] <pygi> lucasvo, you'll have a rocking backup solution (and distaster recovery system) ready for edgy, so why worries :)
[11:10] <pygi> disaster*
[11:11] <lucasvo> pygi: cool
[11:12] <pygi> lucasvo, that is, I hope at least you'll have it :P
[11:50] <ogra> lucasvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current at the bottom
[11:50] <lucasvo> http://pastebin.com/744435
[11:51] <lucasvo> totem crsheds when I load movies I made with istanbul
[11:52] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[11:52] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[11:52] <cbx33> got time for a python quickie....
[11:52] <cbx33> in your excellent code
[11:52] <ogra> lucasvo, take byzanz, istanbul is known to have issues
[11:52] <cbx33> how can i get it so when i try to close the gtk object...ie with destroy.....it pops up a message box first
[11:53] <cbx33> and depending on that output it decides whether to destroy it or not
[11:53] <cbx33> kinda like a are you sure...yes/no
[12:09] <lucasvo> lol editing a GIF with 1000 frames is fun in gimp
[12:09] <pygi> lucasvo, hehe :)
[12:12] <cbx33> yikes :p
[12:15] <lucasvo> I needed to delete 500frames
[12:15] <lucasvo> not being able to delete multiple layers in gimp is a little drwawback 
[12:15] <lucasvo> :)
[12:17] <ogra> implement it then :P
[12:17] <ogra> its opensource ;)
[12:17] <ogra> cbx33, call a function that first shows the popup instead of destroy ...
[12:25] <lucasvo> well, I think it was the work worth
[12:28] <cbx33> ogra, that's the part I'm having trouble with
[12:29] <cbx33> in glade, what is the signal for the X button being clicked on.
[12:29] <cbx33> i can't use destroy as the handler.
[12:30] <ogra> create a new function and call that from the signal handler
[12:30] <cbx33> so like instead of -----    destroy - on_exit
[12:31] <cbx33> I would create a new gtk window signal?
[12:31] <cbx33> that's the problem i have, the signal that triggers the funtion
[12:31] <cbx33> i can write the function no problem, but it's how it's called I'm having trouble with
[12:31] <cbx33> all the programs I've seen use the destroy signal
[12:32] <cbx33> there seems to be no close button in the gtk window signals list
[12:33] <cbx33> brb
[12:34] <ogra> do it in python, not in glade 
[12:34] <ogra> (i.e. dont use the glade handler, look at my code (doesnt matter which app) how i use destroy)
[12:40] <cbx33> ok
[12:40] <cbx33> i tried that...:p - it said there wasn't a close_button property
[12:40] <cbx33> but I'll look at it again
[12:40] <cbx33> thanx ogra 
[01:02] <cbx33> w00t I got it ogra 
[01:10] <pygi> congrats cbx33 
[01:11] <cbx33> :D
[01:12] <awdrg321> hi guys, long time since my last visit to any irc channel...
[01:12] <awdrg321> anyway good work on the edubuntu
[01:13] <awdrg321> i have 3 problems that you might be able to help...
[01:13] <cbx33> awdrg321, shoot
[01:14] <awdrg321> i burnd a copy to my little brother (10yo)
[01:14] <awdrg321> so he will get to know linux
[01:14] <cbx33> nice
[01:14] <awdrg321> and he keeps calling me from downsterss
[01:15] <awdrg321> is there anyway to set the vnc working on default on the liveCD
[01:15] <awdrg321> like mastering...
[01:15] <cbx33> awdrg321, probably yes
[01:15] <cbx33> but you'd have to remove some components
[01:15] <cbx33> as the cd is pretty cramped
[01:16] <awdrg321> the remote desktop is already there its just dont working on startup by default ( for security i guess )
[01:17] <cbx33> yes i would imagine so
[01:17] <cbx33> ogra, would know about that one
[01:17] <cbx33> so you just want it enabled by default?
[01:18] <awdrg321> yes
[01:18] <cbx33> I'm sure it's possible. I've not remastered an ubuntu based cd
[01:18] <cbx33> but I have remastered knoppix...
[01:18] <cbx33> there is a howto on the wiki.
[01:18] <cbx33> but there may be an easier option, ogra any ideas here?
[01:18] <cbx33> awdrg321, what's the next question
[01:19] <awdrg321> the nest 2... :)
[01:19] <pygi> cbx33, the howto on wiki is outdated
[01:19] <cbx33> pygi, is it?
[01:19] <pygi> cbx33, yup
[01:19] <awdrg321> first i cant seems to upload anything from firefox (webmail and etc')
[01:19] <cbx33> pygi, do we have an updated one
[01:20] <pygi> cbx33, no :-/
[01:20] <cbx33> sheesh
[01:20] <cbx33> man i need that if devenix is going to go to ubuntu
[01:20] <pygi> awdrg321, hm, slow connection?
[01:20] <cbx33> awdrg321, what happens
[01:20] <awdrg321> no, no...
[01:20] <cbx33> proxy issue?
[01:21] <awdrg321> something very wierd
[01:21] <cbx33> ok
[01:21] <cbx33> tell us
[01:21] <pygi> cbx33, o joy, we have to fly on blind here :P
[01:21] <cbx33> ;)
[01:21] <ogra> awdrg321, its a gconf key, look for /desktop/gnome/remote_access there you can set the defaults for vino (gnomes built in vnc server)
[01:21] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[01:22] <cbx33> do you have details on howto remaster a dapper live cd?
[01:22] <awdrg321> i went on adding  file in gmail and it just wont upload it...
[01:22] <awdrg321> thank ogra....
[01:23] <pygi> awdrg321, that might happen because of number of reasons :-/
[01:23] <awdrg321> i know... 
[01:23] <awdrg321> and its frustrating because im new to thius and i cant solve it
[01:23] <cbx33> hmmm
[01:24] <pygi> awdrg321, what file type are you trying to upload?
[01:24] <pygi> gmail doesnt allow some filetypes
[01:24] <awdrg321> i know... so i tried it with a differnt webmail...
[01:24] <awdrg321> and nothing....
[01:25] <awdrg321> BTW it was gif so i dont think thats the problem...
[01:25] <pygi> what connection do you have and what are you trying to upload?
[01:25] <cbx33> hmmm...odd
[01:25] <pygi> *filesize*
[01:25] <pygi> cbx33, indeed
[01:25] <awdrg321> DSL via router
[01:25] <cbx33> what about other outbound traffic
[01:25] <cbx33> can you ftp?
[01:26] <awdrg321> didnt try that....
[01:26] <awdrg321> but i can go and give it try...
[01:27] <awdrg321> just a sec
[01:30] <awdrg321> well.... never mind... its working now...
[01:31] <awdrg321> the last thing, how can help on translating to hebrew?
[01:37] <ogra> awdrg321, have a look at launchpad.net
[01:37] <ogra> (for translations that is)
[01:39] <awdrg321> thanks...
[02:22] <mhz> cbx33: hi there
[02:22] <mhz> cbx33: r u there?
[02:25] <juliux> hi highvoltage 
[02:25] <mhz> hi juliux 
[02:26] <mhz> hi highvoltage 
[02:26] <highvoltage> hi juliux 
[02:26] <highvoltage> hey mon
[02:27] <mhz> highvoltage: IMHO, 'Using Edubuntu' at www.e.o is not as complete as ESA in wiki.e.o
[02:27] <highvoltage> mhz: cbx33 edited it
[02:28] <highvoltage> mhz: i haven't compared the two yet, to be honest
[02:28] <mhz> and, I also have mhz AT ubuntu DOT com (so we all look more similar)
[02:28] <highvoltage> mhz: although, it htink the wiki one is meant to extract from from printed pamphlets, etc
[02:28] <highvoltage> while the edubuntu.org one is web formatted, from what i understand
[02:29] <mhz> highvoltage: could you change tecnocimiento DOT cl for ubuntu DOT com, please? This way also, people wont be telling "oh, he is promoting tecnocimiento"
[02:29] <highvoltage> mhz: then they'll say "oh, he is promoting ubuntu"!
[02:30] <highvoltage> and even if they say you're promoting it? so what?
[02:30] <highvoltage> where do you want me to change it, btw?
[02:30] <cbx33> esa at wiki will be dropped hortly
[02:30] <cbx33> shotly
[02:30] <cbx33> brb
[02:30] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, I'll pass my observations to cbx33, because the site tells people they can get help in their own language but it does not specify where :)
[02:30] <highvoltage> hmmm
[02:30] <cbx33> mhz mail me please....then ican work on it latre
[02:30] <mhz> cbx33: sur, man, no prob.
[02:31] <mhz> highvoltage: http://www.edubuntu.org/Community
[02:31] <mhz> Spanish: MauricioHernandez mhz@tecnocimiento.cl
[02:31] <highvoltage> mhz: ok
[02:31] <mhz> highvoltage: thx.
[02:32] <mhz> BTW, did I mention the website looks cool?
[02:32] <mhz> it does!
[02:33] <highvoltage> heh. thanks. it still needs a lot of work, but i'm also quite satisfied with how far its come.
[02:33] <highvoltage> mhz: changed
[02:34] <mhz> highvoltage: roger that ;)
[02:35] <mhz> highvoltage: I will translate the whole site content into spanish. Any one else doing it? (know of?)
[02:36] <mhz> highvoltage: and... will drupal let us identify browser lang. settings?
[02:37] <highvoltage> mhz_breakfast: will talk to you about that later, i have an idea, but need to run too
[02:37] <mhz_breakfast> okis
[02:37] <mhz_breakfast> c ya
[02:43] <highvoltage> ogra: on the daily build for xubunut, the ltsp chroot fails, i mentioned it in #xubuntu, but they say it's not a critical bug, so i'll just file a bug in launchpad for that so long
[02:44] <ogra> i bet its the same prob we have with expert install
[02:44] <ogra> ill do one during the next tests
[02:45] <ogra> to see where/why its failing
[02:47] <highvoltage> cool, thanks! :)
[02:47] <highvoltage> ogra: it's right that i file a bug? or should i leave that to you?
[02:48] <ogra> no, file it please
[02:48] <ogra> also could someone file a bug about the missing cursor theme in edubuntu, so i have something to point mdz at ?
[02:48] <highvoltage> ok. any logs that i should attach?
[02:48] <highvoltage> ok, i can do that while i'm there
[02:48] <ogra> /var/log/installer/messages if it contains anything
[02:59] <highvoltage> ogra: what would the package be called for the gnome-cursor-theme?
[02:59] <ogra> edubuntu-artwork
[02:59] <ogra> "missing the cursor theme" or something
[02:59] <highvoltage> ok
[03:00] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[03:01] <ogra> hey jsgAWAY 
[03:28] <omega7> i was able to use the netboot directory on the cd to install ubuntu using pxe.  is that possible for edubuntu?  I have an old laptop without a cdrom drive.
[03:29] <ogra> nope, there is no edubuntu netboot installer
[03:29] <ogra> you can install ubuntu and install the edubuntu metapackages on top (will need some manual work to set up ltsp if you want that)
[03:31] <omega7> alright
[03:31] <omega7> thx
[03:31] <spacey> highvoltage: ping
[03:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, poke :)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:38] <pygi> you have time?
[03:38] <pygi> we need to discuss your students work :)
[03:38] <highvoltage> spacey: pingback
[03:38] <jsgotangco> pygi: gimme an hour if you could, just finishing up some code (just read JaneW email as well)
[03:39] <pygi> jsgotangco, oki, no problem :)
[03:39] <spacey> highvoltage: how do you link from one page to another within drupal?
[03:39] <jsgotangco> a URL
[03:40] <spacey> whole URL? or relative?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> a relative should work
[03:40] <spacey> i figured drupal had something special like wiki's have
[03:40] <pygi> spacey, will you finish your chapters/articles in like 6 hours, or should I write them?
[03:40] <jsgotangco> well i think the system was configured with modrewerite
[03:41] <highvoltage> spacey: i link to relative url usually
[03:41] <spacey> pygi: i have no real idea what to write for the remaining chapters
[03:42] <pygi> spacey, ah,ok, I'll write it
[03:42] <spacey> i guess you can scrap the security chapter
[03:42] <spacey> it will be very incomplete in any case
[03:43] <spacey> or too difficult
[03:43] <pygi> spacey, no worries, me and HedgeMage will finish all
[03:43] <spacey> pygi: what would you put int he security chap?
[03:44] <pygi> spacey, I am not sure, but I'll think of something
[03:44] <pygi> tunneling through SSH and such
[03:44] <spacey> pygi: like i said you can also decide to scrap it
[03:44] <spacey> pygi: i don't think thats really useful for setting up edubuntu
[03:45] <spacey> pygi: i can create a spare hour today for the cookbook, if you have some chapters which you would like me to proofread
[03:45] <pygi> spacey, anything you could proofread is fine
[03:45] <pygi> which is up ATM
[03:46] <spacey> ok
[03:46] <spacey> will do
[03:52] <spacey> highvoltage: how did you get rid of that login box?
[03:59] <highvoltage> spacey: i think it's at the 'blocks' configuration
[04:03] <mhz_breakfast> re
[04:04] <spacey> highvoltage: that thing that you have to pass a variable to show it? else i don't know how to login
[04:06] <mhz> highvoltage: r u back?
[04:07] <highvoltage> spacey: you can also visit login by going to url /user
[04:07] <highvoltage> mhz: kind of :)
[04:07] <mhz> highvoltage: when would you be?
[04:08] <highvoltage> mhz: ~in an hour or so, when i leave work. things are a bit hectic at work today
[04:09] <mhz> no worries, highvoltage, my mon. I can wait. Good luck at work stuff.
[04:10] <mhz> ping me when you can talk about translations for edubuntu ;)
[04:11] <jsgotangco> pygi: pong
[04:11] <pygi> jsgotangco, haven't you already done "pong" stuff? :)
[04:11] <jsgotangco> pygi: what are we going to discuss?
[04:11] <spacey> highvoltage: ah thats nice
[04:13] <pygi> jsgotangco, once your student is here, we have to discuss "Pyro" :)
[04:14] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:36] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that's a bug???
[04:36] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yep
[04:37] <highvoltage> ogra: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47304
[04:37] <ogra> highvoltage, ah, thatnks i'll add the bug # to DapperReleaseRadar,
[04:38] <highvoltage> ok
[04:38] <ogra> we wont get it on the CD ... but into -updates
[04:38] <ogra> since nobody noticed or filed it during the CD tests it seems not noticeable enough
[04:38] <highvoltage> ogra: did the updates used to include fixes like that, or just security fixes?
[04:39] <ogra> -security has the security fixes
[04:39] <highvoltage> ah, was there an -updates before?
[04:39] <ogra> -updates is for special purpose ... 
[04:39] <ogra> yep
[04:39] <ogra> since warty
[04:39] <highvoltage> nice. will things like firefox 2.0, etc be available in updates once its released?
[04:39] <ogra> nope, never
[04:40] <highvoltage> hmmm... i didn't no about the -updates...
[04:40] <ogra> only stuff that doesnt require big testing runs or breaqks dependencys
[04:40] <highvoltage> ok
[04:40] <ogra> ff 2.0 would require to rebuild half the worls
[04:40] <ogra> s/s/d
[04:40] <pygi> what about ff 3.0? :)
[04:41] <ogra> egdy+1 -updates you mean ? 
[04:41] <highvoltage> pygi: ff 3.0 won't be called ff anymore
[04:41] <highvoltage> ogra: no, i think you understood my question correctly, and answered it too :)
[04:41] <pygi> highvoltage, That dynamite thingy? :)
[04:41] <highvoltage> pygi: heh
[04:42] <pygi> what? :P
[04:44] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, pygi: hello
[04:44] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, hi
[04:45] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, may you please explain the problem ? :)
[04:46] <ryan_rousseau> Well, the remote object module I'm using, Pyro, is currently in the universe, and it seems that getting it upgraded to the main repository may be difficult
[04:46] <jsgotangco> well that's what we're about to ask as well
[04:46] <jsgotangco> (actually pygi is more interested on it, i didnt notice it till he pinged me about it)
[04:47] <ogra> ryan_rousseau, just make sure its licensing isnt insane and it doesnt depend on too much stuff, its not hard to get sane stuff to main
[04:47] <pygi> ogra, it's not sane, thats problem :)
[04:47] <pygi> security-wise
[04:47] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:47] <ogra> what is not sane about it ? 
[04:48] <ogra> can you be more specific ? 
[04:48] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, you have that link? 
[04:48] <ryan_rousseau> http://pyro.sourceforge.net/manual/9-security.html
[04:48] <ogra> sadly we're in the middle of preparing the final dapper isos, so nobody will have much time to talk the next 48h
[04:49] <ryan_rousseau> it says there's the possibility for security problems, but I don't know of any cases where there have been problems
[04:49] <ryan_rousseau> supposedly it's being used in a banking system in Spain
[04:49] <ogra> doesnt look worse then the avahi-daemon
[04:49] <ogra> s/then/than/
[04:50] <ogra> i.e. if yu open a network port to the outside world, thats indeed a *potential* security risk
[04:50] <ogra> but do you need network functionallity for your project at all ? 
[04:50] <pygi> yup, he does
[04:51] <ogra> what for ? #
[04:51] <ogra> that was the quizzling thing, right ? 
[04:51] <ryan_rousseau> The plan is for teachers to host the objects on their computer, allowing students to connect to them through Pyro
[04:51] <ryan_rousseau> right, plus an activity manager
[04:52] <ogra> can you use something like tls with pyro so the traffic gets encrypted ? 
[04:52] <ogra> then it wouldnt be a prob
[04:52] <ryan_rousseau> yes, Pyro has ssl support
[04:52] <ogra> else i'd rather fear the students to hack into the resulst 
[04:52] <ogra> (not generally security )
[04:53] <mhz> how about UserModeLinux?
[04:53] <ryan_rousseau> right, I was thinking of not storing the answers in the actual object
[04:53] <ogra> thats fine, try to incorporate tls/ssl into it and you are fine then
[04:53] <ogra> movin pyro to main shouldnt be a prob 
[04:53] <ryan_rousseau> but just have their answers sent back to the teacher, then do the checking separately
[04:53] <jsgotangco> sorry i was talking to my mom (real big issue at home atm)
[04:53] <ogra> mhz, what about it ? 
[04:53] <ogra> we dont have it
[04:54] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, I hope everythings ok
[04:54] <mhz> oh, then never mind
[04:54] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: so yeah, ditto on ogra's suggestion too, i'd rather have do the ssl route since Pyro supports
[04:56] <ryan_rousseau> awesome, thanks very much for the clarification guys.  I'll continue working on my specs as is
[04:56] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: expect an email from me later (for formality though)
[04:56] <ogra> ryan_rousseau, pitti would be the person to talk to about security and main inclusion but he's very busy currently
[04:57] <ryan_rousseau> ogra, I understand, with the big release and all
[04:57] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: if you got an updated spec, i would appreciate it and have it added in my todo
[04:58] <ryan_rousseau> how do I add to your todo?
[04:58] <jsgotangco> err i mean i will add it myself in my emacs-planner heh
[04:58] <jsgotangco> sorry for that
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> ah ok
[04:59] <ogra> fly to asia and bring a pencil :P
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> haha
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> I'm currently drafting a detailed spec for each app
[04:59] <ryan_rousseau> wiki.edubuntu.org/Amenity
[04:59] <jsgotangco> ogra: will these lang uploads fit?
[05:00] <ogra> jsgotangco, according to pitti they will
[05:00] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:00] <ogra> i'm scared myself, belive me :)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> i saw -zh
[05:00] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, wiki.edubuntu.org/Pike is still under heavy drafting
[05:00] <jsgotangco> *shudder*
[05:00] <ogra> he just worked down the list 
[05:01] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: thanks
[05:01] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco, thank you
[05:01] <ogra> to sad the shipit CD will only have english
[05:06] <jryer> Where can I find educational software for edubuntu in Spanish?
[05:07] <jsgotangco> jryer: it usually depends on the apps if they have spanish stranslations
[05:08] <jryer> Is there an ISO CD with Spanish software?
[05:09] <mhz> jryer: hi
[05:09] <mhz> jryer: not yet
[05:09] <mhz> jryer: most applications have spanish as a translated set
[05:09] <mhz> you can get it in spanish once your environment is set to it
[05:10] <mhz> jryer: anything in particular you are lookin for?
[05:10] <ogra> jryer, depends, the dapper liveCD (with installer) has full support for spanish, but it only installs the workstation version
[05:11] <jryer> We are teaching adolocentes 15-20 yrs old...just wanted to look around or download an entire CD
[05:11] <mhz> jryer: and when installing edubuntu-install iso, then you can immediately set your env. for spanish and get lang. support from internet
[05:12] <mhz> jryer: soy de chile, y tu?
[05:12] <ogra> jryer, the install CD only has space for english, so if you dont want the ltsp server we install from the install CD then the liveCD should be fine for you
[05:12] <jryer> mhz, That is another problem...we don't have internet in the labs. Soy de ee.uu. pero trabajo aca en la paz con adolocentes en el alto
[05:12] <mhz> save children?
[05:13] <jryer> Yes, Save the Children
[05:13] <mhz> jryer: i just replied an email to seth :D
[05:14] <ogra> jryer, do you have the opportunity to diownload and use a DVD ? the DVD has all langpacks as well as the live and the install isos on it
[05:15] <mhz> jryer: after dapper release, i suppose I'll get some funds to work on the customization for a Edubuntu version for older hardware. this will be in spanish and have xubuntu as default and gnome as option :D
[05:15] <mhz> jryer: this will focous on latinamerican needs
[05:15] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:15] <jryer> It looks like the edubuntu site is down because we cannot download anything. Another obstacle is that the computers in the labs do not have DVD functinality
[05:16] <ogra> thats what i was suspecting :/
[05:16] <mhz> ogra: else, I may find some ways to send you a DVD so you get all at once, in the meantime.
[05:16] <mhz> ogra sorry
[05:16] <ogra> heh
[05:16] <mhz> jryer:  else, I may find some ways to send you a DVD so you get all at once, in the meantime.
[05:16] <ogra> but i'd take a DVD if you'd send me one ;)
[05:16] <mhz> lol
[05:17] <ogra> mhz, if he has no reader that wont help
[05:17] <ajayc> ahh i see a op
[05:17] <mhz> ogra: sure! you'll get a t-shirt from our proj. at least!!
[05:17] <ajayc> i worte a mail to some ubuntu official
[05:17] <ogra> ajayc, about what ? 
[05:17] <ajayc> that there were no op here
[05:17] <ogra> we dont want to use ops here 
[05:17] <ajayc> :D
[05:18] <ajayc> highvoltage, hi
[05:18] <highvoltage> hi ajayc 
[05:18] <ogra> ajayc, as in all ubuntu channels we dont want ops constantly but we have a list of people that can op if needed (for emergency)
[05:18] <mhz> jryer: hmmm, if seth comes to chile for june 20th, I will provide cd's in spanish for him :D
[05:18] <ajayc> ok ogra 
[05:19] <ogra> i think i explained it to you before :)
[05:19] <highvoltage> ajayc: i think i received a mail from you. sorry if i haven't responded yet.
[05:19] <jryer> mhz, if we could get a copy of DVD that would be great but if we could get CD with Spanish support, even better. We want to do a network install but not sure how it will work because of broken links to instructions. Will figure what we can do in the meantime
[05:19] <ajayc> what was that?
[05:19] <highvoltage> ajayc: ogra, JaneW and I (and some others) can get opps whenever we want
[05:19] <ajayc> who made u op?
[05:19] <highvoltage> chanserv
[05:20] <ogra> ajayc, the freenode staff and chanserv
[05:20] <ajayc> oh cool
[05:20] <jryer> mhz, we are talking about taking our team of 3-4 to chile because june 20th just happens to be during our one-week break... Seth will keep you updated.
[05:20] <mhz> jryer: hmmm, my only prob. before june 20 th is lack of time and too much stuff to prepare for the event. I doubt I can customize a solution before june 20th. :(  but... let me think of ways.
[05:21] <JaneW> and op obsession is so last millenium!
[05:21] <JaneW> (I am not actually here...)
[05:21] <ogra> hey JaneW :)
[05:21] <JaneW> hey ogra
[05:21] <mhz> jryer: that would be awsome!!
[05:21] <jryer> mhz, no problem...we are just using Windows in the meantime.
[05:21] <JaneW> heh yay
[05:21] <mhz> jryer: then "yes,, problem" :D
[05:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: I am coming in on wednesday
[05:22] <JaneW> would have been there today but my car is STILL not fixed properly
[05:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: great. are you coming in for the farewell?
[05:22] <JaneW> the autoelectrician broke it
[05:22] <mhz> JaneW: highvoltage has got a car
[05:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: farewell?
[05:22] <JaneW> mhz: he lives on the other side of the world from me
[05:22] <cbx33> hey JaneW 
[05:22] <mhz> farewell...that soon???
[05:22] <highvoltage> JaneW: we're having a farewell for all the people who's leaving TSF
[05:22] <JaneW> hey cbx33 
[05:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: oh!
[05:22] <JaneW> highvoltage: cool, well then I should be there
[05:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: what time?
[05:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: an e-mail was sent to 12plein, didn't you get it?
[05:23] <JaneW> late?
[05:23] <JaneW> oh I haven;t checked that folder today...
[05:23] <jryer> mhz, gotta run, we are preparing for classes tomorrow. Appreciate the help and look fwd to hearing more about what you are doing in chile!
[05:23] <JaneW> have to scroll up to see it
[05:23] <ryan_rousseau> I'm guessing that Ubuntu's openssl package doesn't have RC5 or IDEA compiled since they're copyrighted?
[05:23] <ogra> highvoltage, bah, and i cant attend 
[05:23] <JaneW> oh yay, not late, cos I can;t stay into evening, my Dad will be in town
[05:23] <mhz> jryer: okis, thx, good luck
[05:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: well I guess I can break my news there
[05:24] <highvoltage> JaneW: it's at 12:30
[05:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: SUSHI! *Y*U*M*
[05:24] <mhz> highvoltage: UTC?
[05:24] <mhz> :D
[05:24] <JaneW> 10:30 UTC
[05:24] <mhz> highvoltage: streaming! streaming!
[05:25] <JaneW> bye homies, it's time to sweat.
[05:25] <highvoltage> mhz: heh. our bandwidth here will never survive it!
[05:25] <mhz> :(
[05:25] <highvoltage> yeah
[05:26] <JaneW> highvoltage: seen my blog. I have one of Madonna's bras!
[05:26] <highvoltage> bye homies, i need to go home too. getting late :)
[05:26] <JaneW> from an auction
[05:26] <JaneW> heh
[05:26] <JaneW> bye
[05:26] <highvoltage> JaneW: heh, i'll look later tonight (not sure if i want to though)
[05:26] <highvoltage> bye!
[05:47] <spacey> bleh, switch user doesn't work with LTSP
[05:47] <spacey> and still got that Sleep option in the logout window as well :o
[05:47] <mhz> spacey: what you mean?
[05:47] <spacey> if you use LTSP 4.2 on dapper :)
[05:47] <ogra> spacey, in gnome ? 
[05:47] <ogra> ahh
[05:47] <spacey> yeah
[05:47] <ogra> *phew*
[05:47] <spacey> especially that sleep button is quite nasty :)
[05:48] <ogra> please avoid such statements until thursdaya if you dont want me to have a heart attack !
[05:48] <spacey> ogra: sorry :D
[05:48] <mhz> lol
[05:48] <ogra> spacey, gnome-session saks gdm if a user is logged in locally or not
[05:48] <ogra> seems thats a gdm bug
[05:48] <ogra> *asks
[05:49] <ogra> thats why we dont have to care about it with ldm ;) it simply doesnt answer such requests
[05:49] <spacey> i think its in lunchpad somewhere
[05:49] <spacey> more people encountered it
[05:49] <ogra> mhz, "normal" ltsp == ubuntu ltsp in this channel
[05:49] <ogra> ;)
[05:49] <mhz> ogra: :D
[05:50] <mhz> yeah
[05:50] <spacey> muecow (crappy name btw)
[05:50] <ogra> ask jammcq to change it :)
[05:50] <ogra> not an ubuntu creation
[05:51] <spacey> maybe you should call it utsp or something, to avoid confusion, but it might increase confusion as well ;)
[05:51] <spacey> ubuntu terminal server power
[05:51] <ogra> heh
[05:52] <ogra> i'll just ask jammcq to stop providing an ubuntu version of ltsp.org :P
[05:53] <ogra> pygi, !
[05:54] <pygi> ogra, yes? :)
[05:54] <ogra> stop spreading rumors that may kill me
[05:54] <ogra> :)
[05:54] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:57] <spacey> hehe
[05:57] <spacey> ogra: that would be evil :p in some cases "classic" LTSP is more desirable :)
[05:58] <spacey> but i think they should put up some big note on their ubuntu page, that the ubuntu ltsp is set up differently
[05:58] <ogra> spacey, just joking...
[05:58] <mhz> pygi: what student control panel?
[05:58] <spacey> *pwef* :P
[05:58] <ogra> (i have to give back some of the evilness i experience here ;) )
[05:58] <spacey> hehe :D
[05:59] <pygi> mhz, the one we ship in universe?
[05:59] <ogra> mhz, sudo apt-get install student-control-panel 
[05:59] <mhz> duh! /me had no idea
[05:59] <spacey> i should test that, didn't know it was already there
[05:59] <spacey> this one doesn't rock?
[06:00] <pygi> spacey, it does, but the next version will rock even more ;)
[06:00] <pygi> (at least I hope so)
[06:00] <spacey> ah :p
[06:00] <ogra> it doesnt *rock* it does only some basics
[06:00] <spacey> i guess it doesn't work with classic ltsp? ;)
[06:00] <ogra> and its only for ubuntu ltsp
[06:01] <ogra> since its written for ssh based connections
[06:08] <jsgotangco> arggh i knew eating that chocolate bar was a bad idea
[06:30] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[06:32] <mhz> re
[06:34] <mhz> ogra: any url where I can get more info related to student-control-panel?
[06:34] <mhz> cache show provides bare minimum
[06:35] <ogra> install it and test it ;)
[06:35] <mhz> ogra: done it
[06:35] <ogra> mhz, TeschersPet has the list of suggestions etc
[06:35] <mhz> but I have no clients to boot from right now :)
[06:35] <mhz> oooh, okis
[06:35] <ogra> but its not specific to s-c-p 
[06:36] <ogra> i.e. there is no further info about it on that page
[06:36] <ogra> only a collection of possible ideas
[06:36] <mhz> ogra: anyways, in the meantime, it start :)  and gives me a couple of lines of error which I suppose are generated because no clients are found
[06:37] <ogra> might be, i dont have the time to look at it now
[06:37] <mhz> no worries
[06:37] <mhz> I understand
[06:37] <ogra> (and its unlikely i'll have any time until thursday)
[06:38] <mhz> just wanted to tell you "good idea and I guess it will work just fine"
[06:38] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[06:39] <highvoltage> ogra: have you experienced any weirdness with the edubuntu gtk theme? i see red spots over my buttone now and again. it looks sick :)
[06:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, I've experienced that too
[06:40] <cbx33> thought it was just my rubbish graphics card
[06:40] <cbx33> and over scrollbars too?
[06:41] <cbx33> but from my experience it's ubuntu toio
[06:41] <highvoltage> cbx33: i haven't seen it on the scrollbars yet
[06:43] <mhz> highvoltage: i have not had such issue in GNOME nor in XFCE
[06:44] <mhz> cbx33: what is you email address (to send my 2 questions regarding ESA) unless we use IRC?
[06:45] <cbx33> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[06:45] <cbx33> mhz, I will most likely be here a little later on
[06:45] <cbx33> want to work on th wiki some more
[06:45] <mhz> cbx33: so, what you prefer?
[06:45] <cbx33> email them
[06:45] <mhz> okis
[06:45] <cbx33> and we can discuss later if I'm there
[06:46] <mhz> sure
[06:46] <cbx33> if not I'll reply 
[06:47] <cbx33> I'm also hoping to get gisomount to a beta state today
[06:47] <yurtboy> questions about the launchpad cookbook link 
[06:47] <yurtboy> when someone gets a chance
[06:47] <cbx33> shoot
[06:48] <yurtboy> thanks
[06:48] <yurtboy> this link
[06:48] <yurtboy> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook
[06:48] <yurtboy> sorry this link
[06:48] <yurtboy> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/pre-alpha
[06:48] <yurtboy> points left to the cookbook Home
[06:49] <yurtboy> but the link is on the right
[06:49] <yurtboy> I think
[06:49] <yurtboy> anyways being an enduser
[06:49] <yurtboy> it was a bit odd
[06:49] <cbx33> I'll pass that onto to the cookbook peeps
[06:49] <cbx33> thanks yurtboy 
[06:50] <yurtboy> sure hope to be more help soon
[06:50] <yurtboy> hey has anyone (yes ogra I asked this before ( -: ) Had luck with local devices?  I am going to try fuse
[06:50] <yurtboy> just wondering
[06:52] <cbx33> whois AliasVegas
[06:52] <pygi> cbx33, what ahppened with cookbook?
[06:53] <cbx33> ^^^^ about the link
[06:53] <cbx33> I havn't had time to investigate
[06:53] <cbx33> gotta cook dinner :p
[06:53] <cbx33> bbl
[06:53] <pygi> I dont know what all those links in launchpad are
[06:53] <pygi> no meanings
[06:53] <cbx33> ah
[06:53] <pygi> k, bon apetit
[06:53] <pygi> none of this links are relevant
[06:54] <ogra> pygi, can you fix that then ? 
[06:54] <ogra> (since you took over the cookbook)
[06:54] <pygi> ogra, how? I have no powers over other's people products, teams, etc
[06:55] <ogra> you should have the administration rights for it, its the core part of cookbooks inclusion in the distro
[06:55] <ogra> the LP links need to be ok (especially the bzr ones) to build the package in edgy)
[06:55] <highvoltage> i think we need to ask launchpad administrators to give the rights to pygi 
[06:56] <pygi> highvoltage, there are a lot of teams and products related to cookbook :-/
[06:56] <ogra> just talk to the admins that are there now for the cookbook
[06:56] <pygi> None are good :-/
[06:56] <mhz> cbx33: nock nock...."follow the white rabbit"
[06:56] <ogra> please contact the owner of that page to get it transferred
[06:57] <pygi> ogra, ergh, all of them? (considering there is a lot of them :-/ )
[06:57] <highvoltage> pygi: i would talk to the people who currently own them, and delete all the old groups one by one, and make a new one
[06:57] <ogra> sure
[06:57] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed
[06:57] <ogra> at least weed out th eold cruft
[06:57] <pygi> can products ownership be tranfered tho?
[06:58] <ogra> the LP page is (from a dev POV) the most immportant part 
[06:58] <pygi> ogra, indeed
[06:58] <pygi> but I am not sure can product be tranfered to other owner
[06:59] <ogra> and if the supermirror is up in edgy, there needs to be a valid bzr source where it can pull from
[06:59] <mhz> cbx33: BTW, is ESA supposed to be UsingEdubunt? or they are 2 diff things?
[06:59] <pygi> highvoltage, could you please ask in #launchpad can they delete they product?
[06:59] <ogra> mhz, ESA builds rockets and UsingEdubuntu is a helpfile :) so yes, they are different ;)
[07:00] <pygi> I'll ask in the team to put me as owner
[07:00] <mhz> ogra: now I got the idea then
[07:00] <mhz> thx
[07:00] <ogra> ;)
[07:00] <yurtboy> just to be clear about my cookbook comment this link https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook/pre-alpha pulls up a page that then sais "For a look at the current cookbook, click on the link to the home page in the LEFTmenu." But that was hard to find and I clicked "Product:  Edubuntu Cookbook" on the RIGHT that seemed to work
[07:00] <pygi> yurtboy, that page is supposed to be erased
[07:00] <yurtboy> okay
[07:01] <mhz> highvoltage: good to talk about translations now?
[07:01] <ogra> yurtboy, the cookbook is gone through several hands, so the LP entry is a bit messy
[07:01] <highvoltage> pygi: sure, ok if it happens tomorrow?
[07:01] <highvoltage> mhz: sure
[07:01] <pygi> highvoltage, ofcourse
[07:01] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks :)
[07:01] <highvoltage> mhz: Bluekuja is also busy with spanish translation
[07:01] <ogra> highvoltage, as long as it happens at all it can even happen next month ;)
[07:01] <pygi> ogra, finally we'll have cookbook for this release
[07:01] <highvoltage> pygi: i'll add it to my ever growing evolution todo list ;)
[07:01] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, I have asked this in the ML and also got some suggestions here but I have still not a clear wise idea
[07:01] <ogra> pygi, yep :)
[07:01] <highvoltage> ogra: heh
[07:01] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks :)
[07:02] <pygi> ogra, I am just sorry you didnt had time for LTSP part, but there is always "tommorow" :)
[07:02] <ogra> highvoltage, if the LP admins cause probs feel free to point them to me
[07:02] <mhz> highvoltage: there is the Edubuntu wiki info (helpful pages) + the drupal.
[07:02] <pygi> hehe, ogra is powerful :)
[07:02] <highvoltage> ogra: heh. ok. i've discovered a while back that it helps to be good friends with them ;)
[07:02] <ogra> pygi, nah, but i can talk to my colleagues ;)
[07:03] <mhz> highvoltage: So far, I have some translations in Tecnocimiento's page and others in Ubuntu-cl.org wiki
[07:03] <pygi> ogra, I know, was joking :)
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: yes, i've though of having an it.edubuntu.org, and es.edubuntu.org
[07:03] <mhz> highvoltage: and a couple in wiki.edubuntu.org/TheEnglishPage/es
[07:03] <highvoltage> mhz: both with complete drupal copies, with translated content
[07:04] <ogra> highvoltage, uuh 47336 is weird
[07:04] <mhz> highvoltage: okis, that would solve/answer my questions for drupal. Any thoughts about wiki ones?
[07:05] <pygi> damn, I cant seem to find his mail
[07:05] <pygi> guess I'll have to catch him on jabber
[07:05] <highvoltage> mhz: i suppose they'll move along to the new wiki. how that will work, i'm not entirely sure. i think the docteam vision will clear up a bit when it actualy happens :)
[07:05] <pygi> ergh, there is mail :-/
[07:05] <highvoltage> ogra: it is weird, isn't it? it doesn't happen when i select any other gtk theme though.
[07:05] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm, lost me
[07:06] <ogra> highvoltage, do you have an ubuntu handy to compare ? 
[07:06] <highvoltage> mhz: docteam is moving all the documentation to a new wiki. so all docs will be on the doc wiki, and the current wiki will be used for everything else except docs.
[07:06] <ogra> its the same engine ubuntu uses
[07:06] <mhz> highvoltage: ahhhhh, finally!
[07:06] <highvoltage> ogra: nope :( i only have xubuntu and edubuntu
[07:07] <mhz> highvoltage: any date for that? (yeah, of course I can ask in -doc :D)
[07:07] <ogra> well, to late to fix anyway
[07:07] <ogra> the archive is pretty much locked
[07:07] <pygi> highvoltage, k, mail about taking over the team - done
[07:07] <pygi> let's hope he won't resist :)
[07:08] <ogra> pygi, who owns it ? jelkner ? kjcole ? 
[07:08] <pygi> kjcole
[07:08] <ogra> he wont object
[07:08] <highvoltage> mhz: i have no idea. i don't know if they have a date yet. might be best to ask in -doc yes
[07:08] <highvoltage> pygi: resitance is futile!
[07:08] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed :P
[07:08] <pygi> ogra, will we be able to package the cookbook after dapper, and put in -updates?
[07:09] <ogra> probably
[07:09] <pygi> nice :)
[07:09] <pygi> ok, I'll just stop now, I know you are busy with preparing release
[07:10] <ogra> in fact i'm currently twiddling thumbs ... archive is locked and CD builds wont start before the last package is built
[07:10] <yurtboy> where is a good place to ask ltsp (edubuntu) questions like hardware and other settings, I know the k12ltsp/ltsp wiki is good but some time it is not so debian ubuntu friendly
[07:10] <ogra> but i have to pick up something 150km away, so i'll be out for ~2h soon
[07:10] <ogra> yurtboy, here is the place :)
[07:11] <pygi> yurtboy, and soon (perhaps) the Edubuntu cookbook is the place :P
[07:11] <yurtboy> thanks, is sata better then say an older scsi disk?  For example a scsi with
[07:11] <yurtboy> 80 - 160 mbs data transfer
[07:11] <pygi> Scsi is better
[07:11] <pygi> It's not all about data tranfer
[07:12] <pygi> transfer*
[07:12] <ogra> SATA is cheaper :)
[07:12] <yurtboy> used scsi is not bad
[07:12] <pygi> ogra, o joy :P
[07:12] <ogra> but there are still a lot SATA controllers not supported 
[07:12] <yurtboy> got a 18 gig for $35 
[07:12] <yurtboy> speeds okay
[07:12] <pygi> highvoltage, wanna approve me in edubuntu-doc team?
[07:13] <pygi> (If I am good enough, ofcourse :P)
[07:13] <highvoltage> pygi: sure
[07:13] <highvoltage> yurtboy: sata is better these days, imho
[07:13] <highvoltage> yurtboy: since they're cheaper, so you just buy more and stripe them
[07:13] <pygi> highvoltage, thanks
[07:14] <yurtboy> does it still lag like ide in handling numerous read writes????
[07:14] <highvoltage> yurtboy: your stripe them over two disks and then add another double size one (or two of the same size) and mirror it over
[07:14] <yurtboy> can i boot off that
[07:15] <highvoltage> with linux yes, i don't know about other operating systems
[07:15] <yurtboy> what other
[07:15] <yurtboy> ( -:
[07:15] <highvoltage> yurtboy: i'm not sure about your lag question, but yes, it does get laggy with lots of read/writes, especially when 20 users open openoffice.org at the same time
[07:16] <highvoltage> yurtboy: you then run out of disk bandwidth quickly :)
[07:16] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop$ bzr branch sftp://lucas@wservices.ch/home/lucas/mercury_newsletter mercury
[07:16] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/lucasvo/Desktop/sftp:/lucas@wservices.ch/home/lucas/mercury_newsletter/
[07:16] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop$
[07:17] <lucasvo> what's the correct URL?
[07:17] <yurtboy> alright, I need to research this since I am upgrading a library install to 10 machines.  Right now I am using Fedora/LTSP but when the time comes to update I will use Edu, though I need to get local devices working which I am about to work on.
[07:19] <mhz> highvoltage: then, mdke suggests I keep trasnlated wiki pages under ubuntu-cl.org. I hope users get there. So, for every english pageI translate into spanish, I'll add a link to ubuntu-cl
[07:21] <highvoltage> mhz: i know you like moin a lot, we can keep the spanish edubuntu site in a moin wiki too if you want, but it might not be very consistant
[07:22] <lucasvo> highvoltage: what's the ubuntu wiki running?
[07:23] <highvoltage> lucasvo: moinmoin
[07:23] <ogra> moin
[07:23] <ogra> and moin :)
[07:23] <highvoltage> :)
[07:23] <lucasvo> and afterwards?
[07:23] <highvoltage> moinmoin still
[07:24] <highvoltage> the documentation pages will just live on its own moinmoin wiki
[07:24] <lucasvo> oh, ok
[07:24] <lucasvo> why moin and not mediawiki, btw?
[07:24] <mhz> highvoltage: hmmm, well, I never thought of this before, but it's the first time I realize I have some conflicts of interest :D  For one, I want translations to be noticed and avaliable for edubuntu visitors. But also, I want to encourage the sleeping Chilean community who usually participate only via Forums.
[07:24] <ogra> lucasvo, because php security is hell :)
[07:24] <highvoltage> lucasvo: i don't think that any ubuntu stuff will ever be ran on a mediawiki ;)
[07:25] <mhz> highvoltage: ohh, and finally, of course, if Chilean community does not rise in other ways, then I'd like chilean people to see Tecnocimiento's efforts to spread this. 
[07:25] <highvoltage> mhz: i think that having it in drupal would be best. then we can have the same theme, same look and feel, and give the same functionality for users of all languages
[07:26] <highvoltage> mhz: what do you mean?
[07:26] <mhz> lucasvo: and that is due to the fact moin does not need PHP, iirc.
[07:26] <lucasvo> ogra: what's the correct syntax for bzr branch? bzr branch sftp://user@sourcehost/path/to/branch destination ?
[07:26] <ogra> branch is a command you only use locally 
[07:26] <ogra> you want bzr get
[07:26] <lucasvo> ogra: was it always like this?
[07:26] <ogra> yes
[07:27] <ogra> and if you used get and have the repo locally, you only use bzr pull to update
[07:27] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, there are 2 things. Drupal contents I translate must be kept in drupal sure! Wiki Edubuntu pages (there's a list of suggested pages, iirc) I translate.. those are the ones I am asking about now ;)
[07:27] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop$ bzr get sftp://lucas@wservices.ch/home/lucas/mercury_newsletter mercury
[07:27] <ogra> back in 2h
[07:27] <lucasvo> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/lucasvo/Desktop/sftp:/lucas@wservices.ch/home/lucas/mercury_newsletter/
[07:28] <lucasvo> ogra: ??
[07:28] <ogra> lucasvo, #bzr, i'm a bit in a hurry
[07:29] <lucasvo> ogra: 
[07:29] <lucasvo> oh sorry
[07:29] <ogra> or ask in 2.5h
[07:29] <lucasvo> :)
[07:29] <mhz> highvoltage: oh, one other thing regarding drupal site, "Related Projects" menu should have Xubuntu too, or not?
[07:30] <Burgwork> mhz, no, because Xubuntu is not yet an official project
[07:30] <mhz> oooh, i see, Burgwork thx.
[07:31] <highvoltage> mhz: ogra is asking silbs about that today
[07:31] <highvoltage> ogra: did you get a chance to go through our questions with silbs?
[07:31] <mhz> highvoltage: BTW, is silbs the one to email for 'special amount of cd shipping' ?
[07:32] <highvoltage> mhz: it might be her. would make sense.
[07:32] <cbx33> I'm here now people
[07:32] <Burgwork> highvoltage, isn't maralize doing that?
[07:32] <mhz> and one last thing before I get some food.. highvoltage, any news about artwork for edubuntu cd's?
[07:33] <highvoltage> Burgwork: she handles the cd distribution, but i'm not sure that she can authorise large cd orders
[07:33] <cbx33> mhz, you gonna be back?
[07:33] <mhz> Burgwork: hmm, could you provide me with email addresses for both of them? 
[07:33] <highvoltage> mhz: i think JaneW is best to ask about that. i don't know antying about the edubuntu cd artwork, or even if it exists yet
[07:34] <mhz> cbx33: I'll be here for at least next 10 minutes but I just run out of questions for highvoltage (for now) :D
[07:34] <mhz> run =ran
[07:34] <mhz> hmmm, JaneW wont be here until wed, maybe. :(
[07:39] <cbx33> ok
[07:39] <cbx33> I'm just about to check my mail
[07:40] <cbx33> mhz, did you send that email?
[07:40] <mhz> yup
[07:42] <cbx33> i got it
[07:43] <cbx33> ok mhz, I see your point
[07:44] <yurtboy> Request: The lts.conf help page could use some examples? This link has some http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf I could enter them in?
[07:44] <mhz> cbx33: I am pulled out of the computer now... gotta get some food :(
[07:44] <cbx33> we decided that seeing as the document was going to be printed
[07:44] <mhz> cbx33: I'll be back in 40 mins
[07:44] <cbx33> ok mhz speak to you later
[07:44] <cbx33> eeeeeeeeeeeeek
[07:44] <cbx33> my bridge heatsink fell off
[07:44] <cbx33> that's not good
[07:45] <cbx33> could explain why it keeps crashing
[07:45] <cbx33> :(
[07:45] <cbx33> now do i do this now, or later :S
[07:45] <cbx33> think i may leave it till tomorrow
[07:46] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[07:46] <cbx33> hiya
[07:52] <cbx33> ogra, how do i get the label of a cd from ths iso?
[08:36] <mhz> cbx33: re
[08:38] <cbx33> hey mhz 
[08:39] <mhz> cbx33: last thing i got from you was "I see your point"
[08:39] <cbx33> ok
[08:39] <cbx33> with regards to the ESA
[08:39] <cbx33> we decided that the information in the wiki version
[08:40] <cbx33> was too long winded to end up in the printed pamphlet, which is what ESA is going to become
[08:40] <mhz> i see.
[08:40] <mhz> so?
[08:42] <cbx33> so
[08:42] <cbx33> I think that perhaps we could have some more updated information
[08:42] <cbx33> on the website
[08:42] <cbx33> and say in the pamphlet that you can view this online
[08:42] <cbx33> what do you think
[08:42] <mhz> ogra: last time I asked about this, I recall you mentioned something like management was not entirely open to hear from edubuntu? If I am correct, then who should I personally email asking for Edubuntu status? (so they can't say "ogra is bugging about it again ; ) )
[08:43] <mhz> ogra: I mean about Edubuntu artwork stuff
[08:43] <mhz> cbx33: yeah!
[08:44] <mhz> cbx33: but should ESA (the pamphlet) be for Edubuntu general stuff or Dapper specific?
[08:44] <cbx33> ok great
[08:44] <cbx33> it's more edubuntu general
[08:44] <cbx33> at least that's how i wrote it
[08:45] <cbx33> ogra, when will those iso you want testing be ready?
[08:46] <mhz> cbx33: and do you agree with my 2 cents regarding 'Using Edubuntu' page?
[08:47] <cbx33> yes sounds good
[08:48] <cbx33> mhz, howz the spam killing going :D
[08:53] <mhz> cbx33: well, I had almost no web connection during weekend and today I am still answering about 80 emails before I can get to kill more spam :)
[08:53] <cbx33> hehe
[08:53] <cbx33> I was just messing
[08:53] <mhz> cbx33: If I were a programmer I'd definately do something like a "shoot'em-all-spams"
[08:54] <cbx33> hehe
[08:55] <cbx33> no
[08:55] <cbx33> its is wholly stupid
[08:55] <mhz> indeed
[08:55] <mhz> it benefits no onw
[08:55] <mhz> s/w/e
[08:55] <lucasvo> no, it's not, because people buy it
[08:55] <mhz> do they???????/
[08:56] <lucasvo> mhz: why would the spammer send spam if they weren't selling anything?
[08:56] <mhz> lucasvo: will you buy viagra? :D
[08:56] <lucasvo> mhz: not me
[08:56] <lucasvo> but a lot of other people do
[08:57] <mhz> hmmm, so it is like subliminal message?
[08:57] <lucasvo> translate subliminal
[08:57] <mhz> hmmm, eeek, never thought it was not an english word... "a message in between lines"
[08:58] <lucasvo> mhz: my mothertounge is not english
[08:58] <lucasvo> thank you
[08:58] <mhz> like, showing the coca coal logo very quickly, without you conciously noticing it
[08:58] <lucasvo> mhz: no, there are people that "dumb" that they visit the website from the spammers and buy it
[08:59] <mhz> lucasvo: hehe, neither is mine. As I speak spanish (latin origin) I have found many coincidences with english lang.
[09:00] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, then they are potential clicking-danger
[09:00] <lucasvo> no, people really want to buy it 
[09:00] <mhz> eeeek,
[09:00] <lucasvo> not me or you 
[09:00] <lucasvo> but several other
[09:01] <lucasvo> and spam is cheep so even if you only convince 0.000002% of the receivers it's still the money worth
[09:01] <mhz> interesting, I had never though of this as a 'benefit' for someone
[09:06] <highvoltage> pygi: you have a website / blog?
[09:12] <mhz> JaneW: r u here?
[09:13] <highvoltage> i think her telkom connection just died for a moment.
[09:16] <mhz> hmm, one question... why our ISO's are called dapper-install instead of edubuntu-dapper-install ?
[09:17] <lucasvo> yes, that's annoying
[09:17] <lucasvo> best would be
[09:18] <lucasvo> edubuntu-dapper-DATE.iso
[09:18] <lucasvo> or edubuntu-dapper-flight4.iso
[09:19] <lucasvo> mhz: file a bug in LP?
[09:20] <mhz> hmmm, it depends... maybe there are some policies why that is the way it is
[09:20] <mhz> hence my question
[09:20] <mhz> ;)
[09:20] <mhz> but, sure. It shold be easier for newcomers.
[09:26] <pygi> highvoltage, working on a website, set up a blog without content just yet :)
[09:27] <pygi> why do you ask?
[09:27] <highvoltage> pygi: i don't know :)
[09:27] <pygi> I have a lot of things to write, just no time :)
[09:28] <pygi> I'll write some things about SoC and stuff on pygi.wordpress.com unless I get the website up and running
[09:28] <highvoltage> pygi: i keep huge archives of useless information in my head. and a field pygi.blog was empty, so i thought i'd ask you
[09:28] <highvoltage> cool
[09:28] <highvoltage> k, goodnight!
[09:28] <pygi> highvoltage, nice :)
[09:28] <pygi> night :)
[09:35] <yurtboy> When someone gets a chance, do I have to install any of the fuse apps on the client via chroot? or all on the server?
[09:38] <mhz> yurtboy: ?
[09:38] <yurtboy> yes
[09:38] <mhz> edubuntu clients do not even need harddisk because they boot from server, so all app.s are living on the server side
[09:39] <yurtboy> I know
[09:39] <yurtboy> just in the past
[09:39] <yurtboy> ogra has mentioned running chroot /opt/ltsp/init/etc apt-get
[09:40] <mhz> hmmm, i dont know why you would need to do so
[09:40] <yurtboy> have you set up fuse before?  I will look again on the ltsp wiki but just wondering
[09:41] <mhz> oh, nope, I had o idea fuse was an app. I thought it was an 'adjective' :D
[09:41] <mhz> sorry
[09:41] <yurtboy> ( -:
[09:41] <yurtboy> fuse may not be the right term
[09:41] <mhz> indeed
[09:41] <yurtboy> it is for local devices ltspsfd "fuse based remote filesystem daemon for thin-clients"
[09:42] <mhz> ooohh
[09:42] <mhz> then I have even less idea
[09:43] <yurtboy> ( -:
[09:51] <cbx33> local devices isn't supported yet
[09:53] <yurtboy> cbx33: so the fuse info on the wiki.ltsp can not work?
[09:54] <cbx33> I've no idea
[09:55] <yurtboy> understood
[10:27] <yurtboy> so far I can mount the usb disk on a client via fuse via the terminal of the client
[10:53] <cbx33> yurtboy, good going
[11:02] <mhz> Kubuntu has them even as a merchandising support http://www.kubuntu.org/
[11:02] <cbx33> nn all
[11:46] <ogra> mhz, not even i have seen the CD artwork