[12:07] <pygi> kwwii, :)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:49] <goldenear> Riddell: we've been working with Tonio_ to fix the smil problem I was talking about (in konqueror embedded video)
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will send you a global debdiff including both goldenear and I changes
[12:50] <goldenear> a new patch is ready
[12:50] <goldenear> yep :)
[12:50] <goldenear> I hope it's not too late
[12:50] <goldenear> because now konq is not crashing anymore :D
[12:51] <\sh> something for dapper-updates?
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool
[12:51] <Tonio_> \sh: it concerns k-d-s
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: you'll have the debdiff in 2 sec
[12:53] <goldenear> Riddell: is it ok to include it for dapper ?
[12:53] <Riddell> goldenear: no idea, we'll need to get matt to review it tomorrow
[12:54] <goldenear> ok
[12:55] <kmon> Riddell: are you going to include kde 3.5.3 throw dapper updates?
[12:55] <kmon> just curious
[12:55] <Riddell> kmon: I didn't plan to although I see seb is planning on gnome point releases so maybe
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you already email mdz concerning this patch ?
[12:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: great
[12:56] <kmon> maybe you could first add them through your personal repo and if everything seems to be fine (no regressions) include them
[12:56] <Riddell> e-mail is too slow, and he's in England this week so he'll be asleep since England closes at 23:00
[12:56] <Riddell> kmon: yep
[12:57] <\sh> amu works on 3.5.3 packages for breezy i think
[12:58] <Tonio_> goldenear: ping ? I need the number for the bugs your patch closes
[12:58] <Riddell> \sh: nice of him to tell me :)
[12:58] <goldenear> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=konqueror+embedded&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=&orderby=-priority%2C-severity
[12:58] <Riddell> a URL worthy of bugzilla
[12:58] <\sh> Riddell: I actually don't know, he said something, but I hope he is doing more with his familiy :)
[01:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have the mail
[01:06] <imbrandon> now THATS a url ......
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also added kmplayer prior for audio files embedded in konq.... it causes the same issue than with videos
[01:06] <imbrandon> morning Riddell, Tonio_, \sh , and others awake ;)
[01:06] <Tonio_> hey imbrandon
[01:07] <kmon> bye
[01:09] <\sh> imbrandon: hehe :)
[01:09] <\sh> imbrandon: good morning
[01:10] <Tonio_> we really need to find a better solution for edgy than using 2 players....
[01:10] <Tonio_> maybe codeine is the solution
[01:11] <\sh> to be honest, I'm only using vlc and xine ... no kde frontends
[01:12] <goldenear> I think we need a plugin working both for konqueror and firefox
[01:13] <Tonio_> \sh: I'm a vlc user too, but we need a good kde frontend that "just works"
[01:13] <Tonio_> goldenear: well kaffeine is doing the job
[01:13] <Tonio_> goldenear: let's decide upstream the deel with xsessions correctly.......
[01:15] <goldenear> Tonio_: does kaffeine work with firefox ?
[01:16] <Tonio_> goldenear: yes
[01:19] <Flosoft> Riddell: are you here?
[01:19] <Riddell> ye
[01:20] <Flosoft> starting from the launch of Dapper I will have 9 Mirrors ready
[01:21] <Flosoft> several mirrors in France and Poland is being added
[01:24] <goldenear> Tonio_: what we need is a plugin that can: 1) embed/play the commonly used formats and codecs (msvideo/asf/wmv/wma quicktime/mov/mp4/m4a/aac real/rm/ra/rv ogg/vorbis and mp3). 2) can manage smil 3) can accept javascript commands 4) can emulate the original plugin (eg quicktime player) and deals with the command buttons 5) must work with both konqueror and firerox (or any browser using the same plugin format)
[01:26] <Tonio_> goldenear: sounds a bit hard to perform, but I think 3 or 4 steps can be joined :)
[01:28] <goldenear> kmplayer almost does all of this
[01:30] <goldenear> http://kmplayer.kde.org/
[01:30] <goldenear> I think it's a very good starting point
[01:33] <goldenear> Tonio_: only the point 5) is not yet done :)
[01:35] <Tonio_> goldenear: yes but I don't think it is ready to be the primary player....
[01:35] <Tonio_> the standalone player is a bit weird to me...
[01:36] <goldenear> imho the playlist management/display is not very good indeed
[01:36] <goldenear> I prefer kaffeine as a standalone player
[01:37] <goldenear> but kaffeine would need a lot of work to get all the function kmplayer has in term of embedded player
[01:37] <goldenear> also, you can use kmplayer as an engine for kaffeine :)
[01:38] <goldenear> so you have the gui of kaffeine with mplayer...
[01:38] <goldenear> kmplayer sorry
[03:06] <bddebian> Heya
[08:36] <macd> aticonfig: error while loading shared libraries: libfglrx_pp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory    anyone have any idea? the forums have one reference, unanswered 
[08:36] <macd> any insight into this?
[08:43] <macd> guess not..
[09:05] <nixternal`zzz> nite all
[10:28] <PtitGNU> 'morning (here GMT+2)...
[10:35] <PtitGNU> There are a little problem when we install flash or java.... these packages require dialogs... but, by default, debconf is in 'non-interactive' mode... so adept fail to install java and I must 'killall adept' + 'dpkg --configure -a' etc... It's better to select "KDE" for dialogs by default don't it ? (and install by default with kubuntu, the package "libqt-perl" .. requiered for debconf KDE dialogs)...
[10:36] <mornfall> PtitGNU: you could also click "show details" to see the question (no need to killall anything)
[10:36] <mornfall> but yeah, i know
[10:36] <PtitGNU> mornfall: no, if I click "show details", I can see a half of the dialig screen and I cannot do anything
[10:37] <PtitGNU> but kill
[10:37] <mornfall> that's weird then, since i tried it and it worked for me
[10:40] <PtitGNU> And another problem : In konqueror, menu "Tools -> HTML Settings -> Java" is not checked, but in menu "Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Java -> Enable Java Globally" is checked by default....  So, I must uncheck it, apply, re-check, apply... after, it's ok
[10:49] <mornfall> PtitGNU: i think it would be more helpful if you either reported the bugs the normal way (or in some cases) comment on the existing bugs
[10:57] <PtitGNU> ok
[11:07] <verwilst> hellow!
[11:07] <verwilst> if i open firefox, and the "About Kubuntu" webpage is shown
[11:08] <verwilst> i can't click next, since /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/wonderful-linux.html doesn't exist ;)
[11:12] <seaLne> i get better :)
[11:12] <seaLne> Firefox can't find the file at /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales/index-en_GB.html
[11:22] <seaLne> verwilst: i think this maybe a diversion problem
[11:25] <seaLne> verwilst: i take it file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html works there or replacing the locale to whatever you normally have?
[11:28] <verwilst> yep, that works
[11:29] <seaLne> verwilst: Bug #46983
[11:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46983 in kubuntu-docs "kubuntu firefox home page" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46983
[11:35] <verwilst> well, still 1 day to get it fixed hehe ;)
[11:52] <pygi> kwwii, you around?
[12:01] <kwwii> pygi: yepp, you got lucky :-)
[12:01] <pygi> kwwii, why is that? :)
[12:01] <seaLne> can https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/39444 be closed?
[12:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39444 in kde-guidance "Changing an user's password can change another password for a different user" [Major,Fix committed]  
[12:01] <kwwii> pygi: I am in portugal atm
[12:02] <kwwii> well, not atm, but this whole week
[12:02] <Riddell> seaLne: yes
[12:02] <pygi> kwwii, ah, I shall no bother you then :) 
[12:02] <pygi> Just wanted to say I have someone who wants to help with Oxygen thingy :)
[12:02] <kwwii> pygi: cool! who?
[12:02] <Riddell> kwwii: did you get any launch image done?
[12:02] <pygi> kwwii, hm, Josip Lisec? :p
[12:03] <pygi> kwwii, I can send you his references if you want
[12:03] <pygi> then you decide if you want his help
[12:03] <kwwii> Riddell: nope, but if we need it I can make one
[12:03] <kwwii> pygi: yes, please do
[12:03] <seaLne> Riddell: any thoughts on Bug #46983 the only way it could really be fixed would be with a diversion of the directory rather than just the index file?
[12:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46983 in kubuntu-docs "kubuntu firefox home page" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46983
[12:04] <Riddell> seaLne: sounds like it'll have to stay broken for the moment
[12:04] <seaLne> yeah
[12:04] <kwwii> Riddell: is it going on the webpage? (like the adept icon for the beta)
[12:04] <Riddell> kwwii: if you have time that would be cool, I happen not have any ideas for myself
[12:04] <pygi> kwwii, sent :)
[12:04] <kwwii> pygi: cool, thanks :-)
[12:05] <kwwii> pygi: btw, I started working on a designer file for the svn thingy
[12:05] <pygi> kwwii, bzr thingy you mean? :) And wow, thanks :)
[12:05] <kwwii> pygi: yeah, exactly
[12:10] <pygi> kwwii, I hope you enjoy in Portugal :)
[12:12] <Riddell> kwwii: yes, and the kubuntu-mug for the release candidate
[12:13] <kwwii> pygi: I am...it is really great - we are getting lots of work done :-)
[12:13] <pygi> kwwii, nice :)
[12:14] <kwwii> Riddell: I'll see what I can come up with...is there any ideas already?
[12:15] <Riddell> kwwii: nope, that's why I was hoping you'd come up with something :)
[12:16] <kwwii> cool :-)
[12:16] <kwwii> I will try to make something later today
[01:07] <\sh> moins
[01:09] <pygi> hey \sh
[01:14] <kwwii> \sh: I will make your text now...you just want "planet.kubuntu.de" with the logo on the left?
[01:39] <\sh> kwwii: something like this yes, thx :)
[01:49] <OdyX> Does somebody have kipi-plugins correctly working in gwenview ?
[02:08] <seaLne> OdyX: well gwenview won't open raw files so I don't think so?
[02:10] <OdyX> seaLne: I don't expect gwenview to open raw files... but just allow gwenview to uses kipi-plugins
[02:10] <seaLne> isn't it kipi-plugins that provides raw support?
[02:10] <OdyX>  KIPI plugins (KDE Image Plugin Interface) can be used by any
[02:10] <OdyX>  application that implements the KIPI host interface, like e.g., digikam,
[02:10] <OdyX>  gwenview, kimdaba and showimg.
[02:10] <OdyX> ^^
[02:11] <OdyX> Also
[02:11] <OdyX>  supported is KIPI, the KDE Image Plugin Interface, a collection of helpful
[02:11] <OdyX>  tools provided by the kipi-plugins package.
[02:11] <OdyX> This ^^ is in gwenview description.
[02:11] <OdyX> So they "should" work together.
[02:12] <OdyX> I have "something" to configure kipi plugns in gwenview configuration, but nothing into the tab
[02:13] <seaLne> RawConverter is listed as a kipi-plugins so therefore if gwenview was using kipi-plugins it should be able to view cr2 files?
[02:14] <seaLne> i have kipi-plugin config option in gwenview and raw ticked, weird
[02:14] <OdyX> seaLne: in Gwenview, do you have something in "External modules" submenus ?
[02:15] <seaLne> i can't see a "External modules" menu
[02:17] <OdyX> 6th from left ?
[02:18] <seaLne> plugins?
[02:29] <OdyX> Yep
[02:29] <OdyX> I don't have anything.
[02:30] <seaLne> i have the things listed in configure -> kipi plugins
[02:39] <OdyX> which I don't get.
[02:40] <OdyX> Well.. With new user, I do...
[04:50] <danimo> grml, jack sensing is broken again for SigmaTel STAC 9200 in the latest kernel :(
[05:13] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I've found another small bug in guidance
[05:23] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/47317
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47317 in kde-guidance "Can't modify users in userconfig when that user has no "real name" set " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:41] <jeroenvrp> another bug:
[05:41] <jeroenvrp> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/47318
[05:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47318 in kdebase "Cancelled KDM-session in vt8 doesn't return to vt7" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[05:41] <jeroenvrp> this one is critical
[06:26] <Tonio_> hey
[06:28] <imbrandon> heya
[07:54] <MrFaber> hi all
[07:54] <MrFaber> Anyone has a PPP-Modem here, like DSL?
[07:55] <MrFaber> KPPP seems to be very bad pre configured on the Desktop-CD of Dapper which is very bad imho
[08:08] <MrFaber> Or is there another way to go online with PPP?
[08:08] <MrFaber> KPPP on Kanotix works fine and needs only the username and password.
[08:35] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: I think knet is cool 
[08:35] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: but never tested it in real life
[08:35] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: knet is able to connect over ppp?
[08:35] <Riddell> knet isn't for dialup #as far as I know
[08:35] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: but if kpp doesn't work it should be removed
[08:36] <Riddell> if kppp doesn't work it's as likely to be an issue with pppd
[08:36] <Riddell> try running kppp with kdesu
[08:37] <MrFaber> Riddell: no, kppp gives an error on first start because a configuration file is missing
[08:37] <MrFaber> Riddell: and it shows no modem
[08:37] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: i see multiple things there: Dial Up, DSL, Script, ISDN, Cable
[08:37] <OculusAquilae> so it seems to be for dialup too
[08:38] <MrFaber> Riddell: most DSL modems runs over ethernet afaik so it should work directly with username and password imho
[08:38] <MrFaber> Riddell: and afaik it works like this in Kanotix
[08:38] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: does KPPP support DSL?
[08:38] <OculusAquilae> I mean pppoe
[08:38] <Riddell> MrFaber: do you use a modem?
[08:38] <MrFaber> Riddell: I have a router but not a friend of mine
[08:39] <Riddell> kppp is dial up only
[08:39] <MrFaber> Riddell: ups, sorry
[08:39] <MrFaber> Riddell: How can I connect with pppoe?
[08:39] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: knet isn't
[08:39] <MrFaber> Kanotix has an app which only needs password and username
[08:39] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I think somebody should prepare knet to use it in edgy perhaps
[08:40] <Riddell> MrFaber: connect to what?
[08:41] <MrFaber> Riddell: inet with pppoe
[08:41] <Riddell> MrFaber: DSL?
[08:41] <MrFaber> Not everyone has a router.
[08:41] <MrFaber> Riddell: yes
[08:41] <Riddell> MrFaber: knet and pppoe packages would seen to be the way, but I've not tested them
[08:42] <MrFaber> Riddell: so Desktop-CD can't get online with a standard DSL-Modem?
[08:42] <Riddell> if they work that would be great, we'd have them in edgy
[08:42] <MrFaber> Riddell: Kanotix works
[08:42] <Riddell> there's no such thing as a standard DSL modem as far as I know
[08:42] <MrFaber> Riddell: but not sure what it uses
[08:42] <Riddell> they all need different drivers
[08:43] <MrFaber> Riddell: in germany PPPoE ist standard afaik and every router supports it
[08:43] <MrFaber> Riddell: not the ethernet ones
[08:43] <Riddell> in UK we don't use pppoe
[08:43] <MrFaber> Riddell: USB-Modems?
[08:43] <Riddell> ADSL uses pppoa
[08:44] <OculusAquilae> a?
[08:44] <Riddell> and I've never come across a USB modem that works with linux
[08:44] <Riddell> however it all shows we need to do a good dialup/dsl modem testing plan for edgy
[08:45] <MrFaber> Riddell: How routers can connect with a usb modem or has every DSL Router his own modem in uk?
[08:47] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: over ATM
[08:47] <OculusAquilae> hm
[08:47] <Riddell> MrFaber: I'm not sure what you mean
[08:48] <MrFaber> Riddell: not important :)
[08:48] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: but Ubuntu hast the pppoe packages?
[08:49] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: but Kubuntu has no GUI for that
[08:49] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: why not helping to test knet in/for edgy
[08:50] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: but I am sure that I haven't used the console on Kanotix on this pc
[08:50] <Riddell> MrFaber: more people have routers which have built in modems, the only USB modems I've seen don't have linux drivers
[08:50] <Riddell> knet looks like it could do with a UI review
[08:50] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: you could look at Kanotix what it uses
[08:50] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: that was my idea, too
[08:51] <OculusAquilae> perhaps it could replace kppp for edgy
[08:51] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: I know, but I have to redownload it, I have tested it some time ago
[08:53] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: hm, if I have no Inet, how can I install the pppoe-package?
[08:54] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: ok, download it here and take it with a cd but ...
[08:54] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: or take a router with me :)
[08:55] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: good question :)
[08:55] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: but pppoeconf should be in kubuntu, isn't it?
[08:55] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: you can configure the modem with it
[08:55] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: yes, it is installed on my pc so it should be there too
[08:55] <MrFaber> good .)
[08:56] <OculusAquilae> MrFaber: must definately be fixed for edgy
[08:56] <OculusAquilae> :9
[08:58] <MrFaber> OculusAquilae: Maybe Desktop-CD has it too :)
[09:11] <Riddell> _Sime, sebas: any quick fix for bug 47317?
[09:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47317 in kde-guidance "Can't modify users in userconfig when that user has no "real name" set " [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47317
[09:50] <tvo> has entire ubuntu release schedule been delayed by dapper? ie. will edgy be released only on december 1st or earlier?
[09:53] <pygi> tvo, nop
[10:11] <Riddell> tvo: edgy will be four months
[10:13] <OdyX> Riddell: fear ?
[10:13] <OdyX> ;-D
[10:13] <Riddell> I do
[10:14] <javier> hopefully you'll have more hands to help out ;)
[10:14] <pygi> kmon, no worries :)
[10:15] <kmon> the distrowatch people ignored my post about the kubuntu development newsletter :(
[10:17] <kmon> and the fridge people :(
[10:18] <Riddell> if the fridge wants to have only 1 story a month that's up to them
[10:19] <OdyX> Well.. It's cold there...
[10:19] <kmon> we need a kfridge xD
[10:19] <Riddell> kubuntu.org almost is
[10:20] <kmon> yep
[10:21] <Riddell> although I don't know if I want stuff like kubuntu news and links to reviews on the front page
[10:22] <kmon> I like it
[10:22] <kmon> it makes me look at the page from time to time
[10:23] <kmon> I wasa thinking about a feature for edgy... If ubuntu/kubuntu promotes python as the "visual basic" equivalent for ms, why don't kubuntu provide eric3 (or eric4) as a programming ide?
[10:24] <Riddell> well at the moment I don't even know if eric3 works
[10:26] <kmon> I gave it a go in breezy, but I haven't done hardcore programming with it
[10:26] <kmon> so maybe it's too buggy
[10:26] <kmon> but I think it would be nice
[10:27] <Riddell> plus have you seen the user interface on eric3?  it has 100 toolbar buttons
[10:27] <kmon> the doc team could work on a simpley tutorial on python/qt with eric
[10:27] <kmon> yes...
[10:27] <kmon> it's not very clean
[10:27] <_Sime> true
[10:27] <kmon> but it has integrated debugger
[10:27] <kmon> which is a rocking feature
[10:29] <_Sime> Riddell: 47317, yeah prolly.
[10:30] <Riddell> eric doesn't even have qtdesigner integration, which kdevelop does
[10:33] <_Sime> Riddell: actually, I think it does. I just don't know how to use it.
[10:34] <pygi> Python is far from VB kmon 
[10:34] <kmon> pygi: I know
[10:35] <kmon> but it's the example the sabdfl uses
[10:35] <kmon> in the mailing lists
[10:35] <kmon> when people ask why are so many development libraries for python
[10:35] <pygi> heh
[10:36] <_Sime> Has sudo been fixed for X11 apps?
[10:36] <Riddell> _Sime: how do you mean fixed?
[10:36] <_Sime> "sudo userconfig" now works ok.
[10:36] <Riddell> it always should have
[10:36] <_Sime> before I had to do "kdesu userconfig".
[10:36] <_Sime> yes I know, but it was broken during development.
[10:36] <Riddell> although it used to overwrite your .ICEauthority file and other things which it shouldn't do now
[10:38] <_Sime> that was probably it.
[10:40] <_Sime> just commited a fix for 47317
[10:41] <_Sime> yuriy: hi
[10:46] <yuriy> _Sime: hello\
[10:47] <_Sime> yuriy: I see that you've got svn worked out. ;-)
[10:48] <_Sime> yuriy: can you wait a bit before you commit anything else. I need to get a branch worked out and I'm not entirely sure where best to put it in KDE's svn.
[10:49] <Riddell> what's the branch for?
[10:50] <_Sime> Riddell: yuriy is going to start commiting SoC stuff to the guidance code, but I still want to do stable releases of what you now have in dapper. (maintenance)
[10:52] <yuriy> _Sime: yeah, I wasn't going to for a while
[10:52] <_Sime> cool
[10:52] <yuriy> _Sime: but, if you're making a seperate branch that I'll be able to put incomplete stuff into that's even better
[10:53] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/   just branches/guidance seems to be the place
[10:53] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, [ade]  was recommending /branches/work on #kde-nl
[10:54] <_Sime> branches/guidance/ suits me better I must say.
[10:55] <Riddell> branches/work is for random things  branches/xxx is for programmes with releases
[10:56] <Riddell> so maybe branches/guidance/0.6
[10:58] <_Sime> cool.
[11:06] <_Sime> Riddell: do you have enough karma in kde's svn to make a dir for me in /branches/ ?
[11:06] <Riddell> let me try
[11:08] <Riddell> **** Access denied: Insufficient Karma
[11:08] <Riddell> nope
[11:08] <Riddell> let me ask
[11:09] <Riddell> apparantly only sysadmins can
[11:09] <Riddell> you'll need to e-mail sysadmin@
[11:10] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure language-support-fr
[11:10] <Tonio_> Error: 'fr' is not a supported language or locale
[11:11] <Tonio_> hurg !
[11:11] <Tonio_> hi all
[11:11] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, thanks,
[11:28] <toma> _Sime, Riddell: if you need translations for that branch, you need to put it under /branches/stable/bla/bla
[11:29] <Riddell> oh, right
[11:29] <toma> iirc you dont need any add. karma for that
[11:30] <Riddell> ooh, done
[11:31] <Riddell> _Sime: branches/stable/guidance made
[11:31] <toma> Riddell: that has to be in the usual subdir 
[11:31] <toma> not in the root of that
[11:32] <toma> for example /trunk/extragear/playground/rsibreak would be /branches/stable/extragear/playground/rsibreak
[11:33] <toma> s/playground/utils/ ... ah.. wel, you understand
[11:34] <Riddell> doh
[11:35] <Riddell> hmm, there's no playground in there
[11:36] <toma> forking a playground app is not really common ;-)
[11:36] <Riddell> yeah, it should really be in extragear if it's being released
[11:38] <toma> yes, i'll check the scripts later on. Not sure if it is ok, but we'll see