[12:03] <nixternal> what ip is your laptop?
[12:03] <Prak> 192.168.0.4
[12:03] <Prak> i set it to 192.168.0.3
[12:03] <nixternal> you don't want to use an ip though that is in the dhcp range
[12:03] <nixternal> set it to .101
[12:03] <Prak> ok
[12:03] <nixternal> just for testing now
[12:03] <Prak> ok
[12:03] <Prak> done
[12:03] <Prak> restart the connection?
[12:03] <nixternal> you set gateway and subnet alo?
[12:03] <nixternal> click on advanced
[12:04] <nixternal> in the manul ip config area
[12:04] <Prak> ok
[12:04] <nixternal> need to set gateway to 192.168.0.1 and subnet to 255.255.255.0
[12:04] <Prak> what ip address should i put in for broadcast?
[12:04] <nixternal> 192.168.0.255
[12:05] <Prak> is the netmask equivalent as the subnet?
[12:05] <nixternal> yes
[12:05] <Prak> ok
[12:05] <nixternal> 255.255.255.0 usually
[12:05] <Prak> done
[12:05] <nixternal> save it and restart it
[12:06] <Prak> still no internet
[12:06] <nixternal> ping 192.168.0.1
[12:06] <Prak> like i can't connect to a website
[12:06] <Prak> ok
[12:06] <nixternal> does it timeout or give you ms
[12:06] <Prak> timeout
[12:06] <nixternal> wtf
[12:06] <nixternal> it should be working right now
[12:06] <Prak> it's timing out right now
[12:08] <Prak> in the attached devices of the router, it says the pc is connected to the router
[12:09] <nixternal> it does?
[12:09] <Prak> yes
[12:09] <nixternal> that is odd...says it is connected...but you can't ping the rouer
[12:09] <nixternal> does it show the computers ip address in the rouer?
[12:09] <Prak> yes
[12:09] <nixternal> and you can't ping 192.168.0.1
[12:10] <Prak> yes
[12:10] <Prak> i cannot ping 192.168.0.1
[12:10] <nixternal> does the rouer have a tool that you can ping from the router to the pc?
[12:10] <Prak> not too sure
[12:11] <Prak> does yours have one?
[12:12] <Prak> doesn't look like it can
[12:12] <nixternal> mine does...but i use a cisco pix501
[12:12] <nixternal> not your doesn't...im looking at the manual for your router
[12:12] <nixternal> wow i can type tongiht
[12:13] <Prak> ok
[12:14] <corey> is it ok for my wireless interface to be detected as eth1?
[12:14] <GazzaK> erm, if I were to close the main panel, how can I recover it?
[12:14] <nixternal> yes corey
[12:14] <nixternal> mine is eth1 on mine also
[12:14] <corey> it changed from wlan0 to eth1 when i upgraded
[12:15] <nixternal> as long as it still works i guess ;)
[12:15] <corey> i just gotta remember how to get it so network-manager can access it
[12:15] <nixternal> Prak: type > route
[12:15] <nixternal> what do you get?
[12:15] <Prak> ok
[12:16] <yoss> hi there
[12:16] <Prak> a table
[12:16] <Prak> ?
[12:16] <nixternal> hehe...does it show destination ip / gateway / mask and so on?
[12:16] <Prak> yes
[12:16] <nixternal> 192.168.0.1
[12:16] <Prak> it's in the default destination
[12:16] <nixternal> ok
[12:18] <GPLGeek> So both on my ATI and Nvidia system the livecd does not go into X
[12:18] <GPLGeek> why is that the prefered way to install then since most people have ATI or Nvidia?
[12:18] <nixternal> Prak: ping 192.168.0.101 from your laptop
[12:18] <Prak> response time is 1ms
[12:18] <nixternal> what
[12:19] <nixternal> omg
[12:19] <nixternal> you can ping it from the laptop
[12:19] <Prak> yes
[12:19] <nixternal> wth
[12:19] <Prak> is it slow?
[12:19] <Prak> i can't tell
[12:19] <nixternal> no
[12:19] <nixternal> that is what it should be
[12:19] <nixternal> that is a good connection
[12:19] <nixternal> this is retarded...im missing something here
[12:20] <nixternal> the linux box is on the network
[12:20] <nixternal> but you can't ping the router
[12:20] <Prak> that's right
[12:20] <nixternal> from the laptop >   ping 192.168.0.1
[12:20] <Prak> ok
[12:21] <Prak> got a response time of 1 ms
[12:21] <nixternal> ok
[12:21] <nixternal> from the linux box > ping 192.168.0.3 ???is that the laptop ip??? just ping the laptop from linux
[12:21] <Prak> ok
[12:22] <Prak> timed out
[12:22] <nixternal> wth
[12:22] <nixternal> so it can receive..but it can't send
[12:23] <nixternal> unplug the linux box and then from the laptop > ping 192.168.0.101
[12:23] <Prak> laptop timed out when it tried to ping pc
[12:23] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:23] <nixternal> i thought it worked
[12:23] <nixternal> this is what i would do
[12:23] <Prak> unplug the ethernet cable from the linux box?
[12:23] <Prak> and then disable my network card on laptop?
[12:24] <nixternal> nah..i was gonna have you test the ip...but you said the laptop couldn't ping the pc
[12:24] <nixternal> ping 192.168.0.101 from the laptop says it timesout then correct?
[12:24] <Prak> yes
[12:25] <nixternal> i thought you got a 1ms ping from the laptop to the pc b4?
[12:25] <Prak> no
[12:25] <Prak> 1ms ping from laptop to router
[12:25] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:26] <nixternal> ok from the linux box lets try something else here
[12:26] <Prak> ok
[12:26] <nixternal> > lspci | grep Eth
[12:27] <Prak> ok
[12:27] <Prak> my ethernet card is in there
[12:27] <nixternal> it shows the Dlink card correct
[12:27] <nixternal> good
[12:27] <Prak> yes
[12:27] <nixternal> > lsmod | grep mii
[12:27] <Prak> ok
[12:27] <Prak> it says sundance
[12:28] <nixternal> perfect
[12:28] <Prak> mii 5888 l sundance
[12:28] <MetaMorfoziS> good night all [kshutdown @ 20min] 
[12:28] <nixternal> nite MetaMorfoziS
[12:28] <nixternal> > sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[12:28] <Prak> nothing shows up
[12:28] <EvilIdler> Try something wild; try 'dhclient eth1'
[12:29] <nixternal> it shows up eth0 everywhere
[12:29] <Prak> command not found
[12:29] <nixternal> > dhclient eth0
[12:29] <nixternal> sudo dhclient eth0
[12:29] <Prak> command not found
[12:29] <Prak> ok
[12:29] <EvilIdler> Use tab-completion on the dhcl-command
[12:30] <EvilIdler> Try both eth0 and eth1 specifically. I've seen eth0 being skipped before :/
[12:30] <r0xz> what do those three collums meen in iftop?
[12:30] <Prak> typo on command: on dhclient eth0 and dhclient eth1, permission denied
[12:30] <r0xz> i mean, they all have a different measurement for the speef, and there's no logic i can see
[12:30] <EvilIdler> Do it with sudo
[12:30] <Prak> ok
[12:30] <nixternal> sudo dhclient eth0
[12:30] <Prak> doing it now
[12:30] <nixternal> sudo dhclient eth1
[12:31] <Prak> sudo dhclient eth0 is not responding
[12:31] <Prak> i.e. timing out
[12:31] <nixternal> what about eth1
[12:31] <Prak> no such device
[12:32] <nixternal> i figured that already...cuz we have it listed on eth0 doing ifconfig
[12:32] <nixternal> ok
[12:32] <EvilIdler> Then we know the system is really aware of the card on eth0, but the driver just isn't playing nice today
[12:32] <Prak> it never played nice
[12:33] <EvilIdler> It looked as if it was just playing hard to get, though ;)
[12:33] <nixternal> try to get it to stop from booting maybe
[12:33] <nixternal> you gotta rename the file though
[12:33] <nixternal> lets try that
[12:34] <Prak> ok
[12:34] <Prak> how?
[12:34] <Prak> i'm using live cd right now
[12:34] <Prak> should i install the os first?
[12:34] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:35] <EvilIdler> Was this a Sundance/DFE-550 card?
[12:35] <nixternal> ya..cuz in order to disable ipv6 you would have to reboot after making a change
[12:35] <Prak> yes
[12:35] <nixternal> dfe-530txs
[12:35] <EvilIdler> That's what I have on my LAN server..it's actually using the Rhine driver
[12:35] <EvilIdler> via-rhine
[12:35] <nixternal> really
[12:35] <EvilIdler> Yep
[12:35] <nixternal> odd
[12:35] <EvilIdler> VERY odd
[12:35] <nixternal> since d-link website says to use the sundance driver
[12:36] <nixternal> for hte dfe-530txs
[12:36] <EvilIdler> http://www.scyld.com/ethercard_drivers.html
[12:36] <nixternal> plus all the issues with this card, are from like 2002 and what not...and all the drivers available are for the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel
[12:37] <nixternal> hmmm....i wonder what the difference is between the TX and the TXS
[12:37] <Search4Lancer> silly question: how do I change my login/root password?
[12:38] <nixternal> sudo passwd root
[12:38] <Prak> think you go to privacy and securities in system settings
[12:38] <Search4Lancer> thanks
[12:38] <nixternal> np
[12:39] <Prak> should i install kubuntu rc on my pc anyway?
[12:39] <Prak> and then fix problem later?
[12:40] <Prak> and change the script of how my pc boots?
[12:40] <RogueJediX> Does anyone have problems with playing video files encoded with h.264 or X264?
[12:40] <EvilIdler> I played Elephants Dream just fine on Breezy
[12:41] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: What with? mplayer, xine or something else?
[12:41] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: All of the above
[12:41] <EvilIdler> MPlayer, Xine, VLC
[12:41] <corey> can someone help me, i upgraded to dapper and now network-manager wont show my wireless device
[12:42] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: Crud. I can't get those files to play for me. Everything just hangs
[12:43] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: I'm not sure what libraries I have, but I do have the w32codecs.
[12:43] <nixternal> Prak: > sudo ifconfig -a
[12:43] <Prak> ok
[12:44] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: My puter is 1.2 Ghz with 256 MB RAM and GeForce2 MX 400 card. You think it's too weak?
[12:44] <nixternal> Prak: > dmesg | grep eth0
[12:44] <Prak> ok
[12:44] <dmb062082> HEY, If I were to install kubuntu now, leaving a spare partition for a windows os to install at  a later date, will i have to re configure grub or another loader?
[12:44] <dmb062082> thanks in advance
[12:44] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: I'm not sure. The CPU is the only real limit, as there probably isn't any h.264 hardware acceleration to speak of here, either
[12:45] <Prak> what should i see
[12:45] <Prak> ?
[12:45] <nixternal> what do you see?
[12:45] <RogueJediX> EvilIdler: Dang. Well, I guess I'll keep fiddling around. Thanks anyway
[12:45] <Sergi0> dmb062082: yes, windows deletes the bootloader, its not to hard to reset the grub loader. maybe there is a forum topic on this
[12:45] <Prak> eth0 timing out and no ip address
[12:46] <nixternal> ok
[12:46] <EvilIdler> RogueJediX: Actually, VLC plain crashes. I'm using wxvlc as a frontend, and it's fine then
[12:46] <nixternal> Prak: > dmesg | grep eth0
[12:46] <dmb062082> So it would be easier to just install the windows os 1st, then kubuntu with grub eh?
[12:46] <Prak> ok
[12:46] <nixternal> anything you see that might be important...that sticks out as good or bad?
[12:46] <dmb062082> Ive used debian for some time, but never bothered to dual boot
[12:46] <trpr42> dmb062082: i think that is your only option if you want windows to reside somewhere on the drive.. it wants the start of the drive
[12:46] <Prak> it's trying to connect to an ipv6 router instead of ipv4 router?
[12:47] <Prak> could that be a clue?
[12:47] <dmb062082> alrighty thanks
[12:47] <Sergi0> dmb062082: that would be the easy way, but works perfect yes
[12:47] <nixternal> mine says that too...but with that card, it has been an issue in the past
[12:47] <nixternal> Prak: > sudo modprobe via-rhine
[12:47] <Prak> ok
[12:47] <nixternal> try that...see if the via-rhine driver will work..cuz it should be on the system already
[12:47] <Prak> and then (i don't see anything)
[12:47] <Prak> ?
[12:48] <nixternal> ok
[12:48] <nixternal> good
[12:48] <nixternal> Prak: > lspci
[12:48] <nixternal> see what it says now
[12:48] <nixternal> gah
[12:48] <EvilIdler> Prak: No response is a good sign :)
[12:48] <nixternal> dmesg | grep eth0
[12:48] <nixternal> ya..that means the driver loaded
[12:49] <Prak> should i be seeing a via-rhine?
[12:49] <nixternal> i would think so
[12:49] <nixternal> i just brain farted
[12:49] <Prak> i don't see it after typing lspci
[12:49] <nixternal> lspci says that same thing right?
[12:49] <Prak> yes
[12:49] <nixternal> lsmod | grep mii
[12:50] <Prak> it says via_rhine, sundance drivers loaded
[12:50] <nixternal> k
[12:50] <nixternal> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[12:50] <Prak> ok
[12:51] <Prak> no response
[12:51] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:51] <nixternal> ping 192.168.0.1
[12:51] <Prak> timeout
[12:51] <nixternal> argh
[12:52] <nixternal> ping localhost
[12:52] <Prak> it can ping itself
[12:52] <EvilIdler> Try removing both drivers, perhaps?
[12:52] <nixternal> ok
[12:52] <Prak> ok
[12:52] <Prak> how?
[12:53] <EvilIdler> sudo rmmod via-rhine sundance
[12:54] <Prak> and then
[12:54] <Prak> ?
[12:54] <EvilIdler> Then 'sudo modprobe via-rhine', try restarting network, removing it if it fails and trying sundance
[12:54] <nixternal> ok..im back
[12:54] <nixternal> had to goto potty ;D
[12:55] <EvilIdler> I'm out of useless ideas, anyway :P
[12:55] <nixternal> me too
[12:55] <EvilIdler> Strange if both those drivers loaded without complaint, though
[12:55] <nixternal> once you do the rmmod prak...then do the > sudo modprobe via-rhine
[12:55] <nixternal> then
[12:55] <stevekl> Gosh dernit
[12:55] <nixternal> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:56] <stevekl> I come home from the resturaunt and my monitor (CRT) was still on the whole time
[12:56] <stevekl> Is setting a screen saver in kcontrol not enough?
[12:56] <nixternal> hehe...the cat was using the pc while  you were out
[12:56] <EvilIdler> stevekl: Optical mouse on an uneven surface can stop it
[12:56] <EvilIdler> Carpet bad :)
[12:56] <Prak> have to reboot pc
[12:57] <Prak> cd froze on me
[12:57] <nixternal> great
[12:57] <nixternal> another driver to try if via-rhine doesn't work is > sudo modprobe rt18139
[12:57] <nixternal> that bad boy works with everything
[12:57] <EvilIdler> The Mr. Muscle of network drivers
[12:58] <Prak> ok
[12:58] <stevekl> EvilIdler: oh
[12:58] <stevekl> dern.
[12:58] <EvilIdler> stevekl: I notice the mouse dancing across the screen if I leave it on the carpet
[12:58] <stevekl> If KDE were not running (say I didn't have X running) wouldn't linux automaticaly turn the display off?
[12:58] <EvilIdler> stevekl: Laidback computer setup involving a couch ;)
[12:59] <stevekl> My desk is pressboard door (you heard me)
[12:59] <stevekl> it's pretty even
[12:59] <EvilIdler> Yes, the console mode is pretty good at switching off every half hour
[01:00] <EvilIdler> Same here. I don't trust software.
[01:00] <nixternal> lol... me either
[01:00] <EvilIdler> My finger, on the other hand..
[01:00] <nixternal> plus screensaver timers and power timers = cpu usage ;)
[01:00] <nixternal> i need all the cpu i can get
[01:01] <nixternal> i need all the monitor i can get too
[01:01] <stevekl> Yeah I set my screen saver to 1 minute and it's definently not triggering
[01:01] <stevekl> i'm sure my mouse isn't moving
[01:01] <EvilIdler> I just know my monitors waste a lot of electricity, so it's a bit cheaper to definitely switch them off
[01:01] <stevekl> hmmmmmmmm
[01:01] <nixternal> i gave my nice 19" wide screen to my mom and took her old 15" viewsonic to fix...it works great..but i hate 1024x768...that is so 1998
[01:02] <nixternal> i haven't even tried a screen saver
[01:02] <EvilIdler> I play shooters in 1024x768, but my desktop is 1600x1200
[01:02] <nixternal> thats why on release night i am going to remove windows from my main system and load of the kubuntu...removing winblows for good
[01:02] <EvilIdler> Mmm
[01:03] <Prak> rt18139 not found
[01:03] <EvilIdler> I'm not sure what to call my main system. I have three computers sharing all sorts of resources.
[01:03] <nahoj> r det bara mitt swaputrymme som alrig anvnds?
[01:03] <nahoj> aldrig***
[01:03] <nixternal> sure
[01:03] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Nah, it's normal if you're not playing 3D games
[01:03] <stevekl> I'm just getting really tired of ubuntu I think
[01:04] <nixternal> EvilIdler: did i miss something there?
[01:04] <stevekl> I mean things like this should already just work out of the box, you know?
[01:04] <EvilIdler> nixternal: Yeah, my leet linguistic skills :P
[01:04] <nixternal> you are right stevekl
[01:04] <nixternal> ahhh cuz i can't even read english half the time
[01:04] <nixternal> ;D
[01:05] <nahoj> EvilIdler, ok, btw, sorry about the swedish.. I thought I was in #ubuntu-se....
[01:05] <nixternal> lol
[01:05] <EvilIdler> nixternal: English is no problem - I've done the equivalent of dist-upgrading my native language :P
[01:05] <stevekl> I wish I could try out OSX
[01:05] <nixternal> i have lived my whole life in the US...i still don't understand the language ;)
[01:05] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Someone is bound to understand you somewhere most of the time ;)
[01:05] <stevekl> Don't have the hardware neccessary
[01:06] <Prak> should i install the os anyway and then figure the network stuff out?
[01:06] <nixternal> i did better in spanish in high school then i did in english
[01:06] <stevekl> nixternal: Huh sorry I couldn't make that out
[01:06] <nahoj> EvilIdler, I guess u are Swedish?
[01:06] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Nope.
[01:06] <EvilIdler> I play one on IRC sometimes, though.
[01:06] <nixternal> i am swedish..to an extent...but i never learned the language
[01:06] <nixternal> hahahah EvilIdler
[01:06] <nahoj> EvilIdler, so howcome u know swe?
[01:06] <EvilIdler> I can fool them, because they're speaking SMS themselves :P
[01:06] <nixternal> i live close to the largest swedish community inthe united states too
[01:07] <EvilIdler> nahoj: I live real close by ;)
[01:07] <nahoj> norway? =p
[01:07] <EvilIdler> Yup
[01:07] <nahoj> thought so
[01:07] <nixternal> lol
[01:07] <nixternal> right up the street ;D
[01:07] <EvilIdler> Swedish and Danish is no problem
[01:08] <Prak> i take that as an yes
[01:08] <nixternal> Prak: try installing it...you might get lucky and it works from install...if not we can still work on it
[01:08] <EvilIdler> We've got an unusual number of Swedish people working here, too
[01:08] <Prak> ok
[01:08] <nixternal> lol Prak...im rolling a cigar
[01:08] <nahoj> i once convinced a whole pack of men from norway i was too... talked too them for about half an hour before i dropped the truth...
[01:08] <EvilIdler> I grew up with Swedish TV, more or less :P
[01:09] <nahoj> oslo?
[01:09] <EvilIdler> I was chatting with three Irishmen, a Canadian and a Swede once, and the Swede forgot to switch to English. Took me five minutes before I realised why the others didn't understand anything :P
[01:09] <EvilIdler> Yep
[01:09] <EvilIdler> A view of the fjord, from my cave on the mountain :)
[01:10] <nahoj> EvilIdler, u also have polarbears walking the streets?
[01:10] <EvilIdler> nahoj: Of course! It's 30 below here all year.
[01:11] <nahoj> ahh... the same as sweden...
[01:11] <EvilIdler> Well, not really. I'm sweating like a very sweaty hog.
[01:11] <nahoj> it's funny what other countries sometimes seem to belive...
[01:12] <EvilIdler> Hehe. Californianianians crossing the border to Canada look like they're about to climb Mount Everest :P
[01:12] <nahoj> hehe...
[01:12] <Prak> brb, going for a snack while it's installing
[01:13] <EvilIdler> I think the one bug stopping me from upgrading to Dapper has been found - something in udev, most likely
[01:13] <EvilIdler> I'll wait till Wednesday, though.
[01:14] <EvilIdler> Still some really similar bugs open
[01:15] <nahoj> i think i found a bug yesterday... when installing on two different computers, only one of them had swedish in the menues an so on....
[01:15] <EvilIdler> Yeah, some German people had the same problem
[01:15] <nahoj> so it's a known bug then?
[01:15] <EvilIdler> It's known that there are several problems with translations in KDE
[01:15] <nahoj> i don't have to try to reproduce it?
[01:16] <EvilIdler> You could try having a look at the bug database and see if they've got one specifically for Swedish
[01:16] <Sergi0> i had the same isue with language
[01:16] <EvilIdler> I found some translations missing that really shouldn't be
[01:17] <EvilIdler> Some programs haven't changed at all since last Breezy
[01:17] <nahoj> is dapper truly ready?
[01:17] <EvilIdler> 3.5.2 for Breezy is not far back in time, so Dapper shouldn't suddenly drop ten translations
[01:17] <EvilIdler> If they fix the open major bugs it will be :)
[01:18] <EvilIdler> Only two or three criticals from what I can see
[01:19] <EvilIdler> Two criticals (unconfirmed/need info) and a few major ones: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-6.06
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> The lastest version of fglrx fixes quite a major bug for me (and they are considering including it)
[01:20] <EvilIdler> I'd say that's important enough that they should
[01:22] <EvilIdler> Ouch, a confirmed memory leak in update manager
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> (well the bug involves never being able to shutdown cleanly)
[01:23] <EvilIdler> I had a bug with never being able to log in cleanly on an earlier Ubuntu release. That was pretty major :/
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> I hate having to download open office all the time when I never use it (but its a dep of kubuntu desktop)
[01:25] <EvilIdler> Remove kubuntu-desktop, then
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> But then if packages are added to it then I won't get them (which I may want / need)
[01:26] <EvilIdler> Make a wish that they consider it optional, then
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> It just a big file thats all and seems to be getting changed daily
[01:26] <EvilIdler> Wish being the lowest rated bug report ;)
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> They won't do it
[01:27] <EvilIdler> Yeah, it's about time to make it a little modular
[01:27] <EvilIdler> A package for each of the programs, libraries and locale data
[01:27] <jii> something broken in dappers mount command? i am trying to mount smbfs and dmesg gives error: smbfs: mount_data version 1919251317 is not supported
[01:27] <jii> whereis smbmoutn
[01:28] <h3sp4wn> I still don't know why the firefox-locales are a dep of the kdelanguage-uk thing
[01:28] <EvilIdler> I'm mounting fine on a server with Dapper
[01:28] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: OK, that's a bit odd
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> mozilla-firefox-locale-en-gb to be exact (I don't have the repo version of firefox installed)
[01:29] <jii> maybe i am missing smbfs package
[01:29] <jii> thats it
[01:29] <EvilIdler> There are also a few language-related packages that contain only directories. Not sure why.
[01:29] <h3sp4wn> jii: If you are doing unix to unix shfs is very good
[01:29] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: OO.o and e-c are the two sets of packages that /will/ continue to change, because they're mandated by the sabdfl
[01:30] <crimsun> and what the boss wants, the boss gets.
[01:30] <EvilIdler> h3sp4wn: Yeah, perhaps it's best to uninstall until release-day.
[01:30] <h3sp4wn> what is the sabdfl
[01:30] <EvilIdler> I'm glad I haven't got metered net :)
[01:31] <crimsun> h3sp4wn: the guy who founded Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth.
[01:31] <EvilIdler> BDFL=benevolent dictator for life
[01:31] <imbrandon> sabdfl == mark shuttleworth
[01:31] <h3sp4wn> what's the sa stand for ?
[01:31] <EvilIdler> Somewhat arrogant?
[01:31] <EvilIdler> Super admin?
[01:32] <NthDegree> super user = root
[01:32] <imbrandon> NthDegree, and where did that come from ?
[01:32] <NthDegree> sa = stupidly arrogant :p
[01:32] <RadiantFire> ?
[01:32] <RadiantFire> thats mean
[01:32] <EvilIdler> Self-appointed, it is
[01:33] <NthDegree> my ever symlinked head :p
[01:33] <EvilIdler> Self-appointed benevolent dictator for life
[01:33] <RadiantFire> fun times
[01:33] <imbrandon> NthDegree, and i wouldent think the guy that started Ubuntu stupidly anthything ;)
[01:33] <NthDegree> i know that, it's called a bad joke
[01:33] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:33] <RadiantFire> fun times
[01:33] <imbrandon> brb dinner time ;)
[01:33] <EvilIdler> I've had some of my best moments in UI design when thinking stupid
[01:33] <_james> i just did the dapper upgrade... and now a lot of things are not working, the most important of which is sound
[01:33] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[01:34] <RadiantFire> UI design is for losers
[01:34] <RadiantFire> real people just stick buttons randomly in places
[01:34] <EvilIdler> Yeah, UI design would lead to things like desktop environments and graphical interfaces.
[01:34] <RadiantFire> :-)
[01:34] <crimsun> _james: see the topic of #ubuntu-sound-help, and tell me thurl
[01:34] <crimsun> the url, rather
[01:34] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, sounds like your one of the MS IE7 teams influences ;) j/k
[01:35] <Prak> nixternal: which drivers have we tried?
[01:35] <RadiantFire> lol
[01:35] <EvilIdler> Prak: Which ones haven't you tried?
[01:35] <_james> crimsun: what did u just tell me to do?
[01:35] <RadiantFire> wouldn't that be the new office, where the toolbars will randomly rearrange themselves for no good reason?
[01:35] <crimsun> _james: join #ubuntu-sound-help, read the topic, follow the directions, and tell me the url
[01:35] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: They already do in Visual Studio :/
[01:35] <RadiantFire> ew?
[01:36] <imbrandon> lol no idea , the new office
[01:36] <RadiantFire> actually, I'm kind of curious to see IE7 beta
[01:36] <RadiantFire> but I have no desire to boot into windows to test it
[01:36] <EvilIdler> RadiantFire: That's a bug of sorts here, though. WinXP is dying on that box :P
[01:36] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, it SUCKS, honestly
[01:36] <_james> crimsun: ok, i am in there, but  there is noone  there
[01:36] <RadiantFire> imbrandon: any redeaming qualities whatsoever?
[01:36] <crimsun> _james: read the topic
[01:36] <RadiantFire> i'm sure it must have something worthwhile
[01:37] <EvilIdler> IE7 is probably like someone miming a description of a real browser :/
[01:37] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, i dont have that much against IE , honestly, not trying to troll but IE 7 sucks BAD , but lets take this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:37] <NthDegree> bug #1
[01:37] <_james> crimsun: i know i am slow, but what topic?
[01:38] <NthDegree> :p
[01:38] <EvilIdler> Anyone know what packages I need to actually compile KDE themes that aren't packaged?
[01:38] <NthDegree> EvilIdler won't apt-get help you there
[01:39] <crimsun> _james: ``lspci -v && lsmod && cat /proc/asound/cards && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && amixer''
[01:39] <NthDegree> there must be a few sources in universe and then the dependencies d/l with them
[01:39] <crimsun> _james: paste the output onto pastebin, not in here
[01:39] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: I don't know what dev-packages contain some headers they need to be compiled :/
[01:39] <_james> crimsun: is  that something i need to enter in the command line?
[01:39] <crimsun> _james: yes
[01:40] <NthDegree> EvilIdler source packages wont those get the dependencies you need
[01:40] <_james> crimsun: should i paste it ALL in the pastebin? it is quite lengthy
[01:40] <NthDegree> _james tis what pastebin is for :)
[01:40] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: They're not source packages. They're tarballs from KDE Look.
[01:41] <NthDegree> oh lol
[01:41] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: No debianised dependency files at all.
[01:41] <EvilIdler> They all ask for kdecoration.h
[01:41] <EvilIdler> (And related files)
[01:41] <NthDegree> ah
[01:41] <EvilIdler> I was pretty sure installing kdevelop3 already gave me the whole #!, but no such luck
[01:42] <NthDegree> EvilIdler the best way is to compile KDE from source I think
[01:42] <EvilIdler> I'm not doing that to try two themes ;)
[01:42] <EvilIdler> None of the themes I've downloaded so far has a bloody readme file, either :/
[01:42] <_james> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/743837
[01:43] <EvilIdler> There's a configure script, which passes its tests, then a makefile that asks for things the configure scripts conveniently ignored
[01:44] <NthDegree> lol
[01:44] <NthDegree> i get that a lot
[01:44] <crimsun> _james: amixer set 'Headphone Jack Sense' off
[01:44] <NthDegree> isn't that known as dependency hell :)
[01:44] <EvilIdler> Nah, dependency hell is when two packages rely on eachother
[01:44] <EvilIdler> One can't be installed without the other being present, of course :)
[01:45] <_james> crimsun: what do i do about that?
[01:45] <crimsun> _james: I just gave you a command to paste into your Konsole
[01:45] <EvilIdler> This is just shoddy documentation
[01:45] <NthDegree> i'll be getting a lot of dependency hell when i'm setting up my 3rd OS
[01:45] <_james> crimsun: sorry, i see that now
[01:45] <NthDegree> i want an OS to be used to virtualise winblows
[01:46] <NthDegree> since it can't be trusted i need a good jail
[01:46] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: For extra levels of fun, run Windows in VMware, then coLinux in that. Try Win4Lin inside that to run another Windows :)
[01:46] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: And play DOSbox there.
[01:46] <NthDegree> lmfao
[01:46] <NthDegree> i only have 1GB ram
[01:46] <EvilIdler> I'm going to have to try that someday.
[01:47] <_james> crimsun: still no sound
[01:47] <NthDegree> EvilIdler:  I did windows with smoothwall in VMWare and linux networked to it :)
[01:47] <crimsun> _james: yeah, 'PCM' is muted and set to 0 level.
[01:48] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: That's a start :)
[01:48] <_james> crimsun: and how do i change that? lol
[01:48] <crimsun> _james: use the volume control in your tray or whatever
[01:48] <NthDegree> still VMWare sucks ass for keeping linux stable, hence why i'll be using a dedicated distro for jailing the windows
[01:49] <_james> crimsun: i have the volume in the tray all the up
[01:49] <crimsun> _james: for 'PCM'?
[01:49] <crimsun> _james: did you unmute it?
[01:50] <_james> crim, sorry, what is PCM? and i have nothing muted as far as i know
[01:50] <crimsun> sigh
[01:50] <_james> crimsun: see above
[01:50] <crimsun> amixer set 'PCM' on && amixer set 'PCM' 80%
[01:50] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: I've found Win4Lin great for jailing a development environment.
[01:51] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: When Windows crashed (it only supported 98 when I tried it), it started right back up in four seconds
[01:51] <NthDegree> EvilIdler:  Is that what you install in linux to virtualise windows?
[01:51] <_james> crimsun: that worked, but i still have no idea what PCM is lol
[01:51] <NthDegree> EvilIdler: is it free? :|
[01:51] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Yeah, it makes Windows a program running under Linux. Not quite the extreme method VMware uses, but not quite like Wine either.
[01:52] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Free trials only, but a relatively cheap license
[01:52] <NthDegree> doh lol
[01:52] <EvilIdler> You could try to re-download trials :P
[01:53] <NthDegree> PIRACY is NOT a crime, please accept it :P
[01:53] <_james> ok i finally see PCM
[01:53] <_james> geesh
[01:53] <EvilIdler> A virtual Windows installation would remain fairly stable, since you're just installing the tools you need. Take a snapshot of the image for backup.
[01:53] <crazy_penguin> night all. sleep well! :)
[01:54] <EvilIdler> I've got to try the latest VMware and W4L demos again and see how fast they are.
[01:54] <EvilIdler> W4L ran like native apps and VMware like melting wax last time I tried them
[01:54] <synergy> ok
[01:54] <NthDegree> VMWare is rubbish
[01:55] <synergy> i just installed
[01:55] <synergy> is there anything i need to upgrade
[01:55] <NthDegree> it's free of charge right now but cr@p
[01:55] <EvilIdler> A P90 with 32 megs of memory ran W95 in Win4Lin just fine :=)
[01:55] <synergy> using 5.10
[01:55] <EvilIdler> Very minimal X setup, of course.
[01:56] <NthDegree> lol
[01:56] <EvilIdler> synergy: Run Adept from the System menu, get updates, do a full upgrade
[01:56] <NthDegree> well i will be using a minimal OS for the jail
[01:57] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Win4Lin is based on a SCO product called Merge. Only good software they've produced, too ;)
[01:57] <synergy> evildler system update wizard?
[01:57] <EvilIdler> Hmm..Linux with UsermodeLinux running a VMware session of XP running coLinux with W4L?
[01:57] <NthDegree> EvilIdler: is there any free virtualisation software that can do windows
[01:57] <EvilIdler> synergy: Yeah, I guess thart works, too
[01:58] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Err..I think Bochs could do Win 3.11 :P
[01:58] <synergy> kk
[01:58] <synergy> hope this thing works
[01:58] <synergy> lol
[01:58] <EvilIdler> Actually, someone managed to get Win 98 running in a later version
[01:59] <NthDegree> http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ EvilIdler have a read (works with NT/2000/XP)
[01:59] <EvilIdler> NthDegree: Yeah, I expected as much
[01:59] <imbrandon> qemu will run nt/2k/xp also , and vmware
[01:59] <NthDegree> qemu?
[02:00] <EvilIdler> That's the holy trinity of virtualisation, yes
[02:00] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, i run 2 instances of windows at native speeds under linux in vmware ;)
[02:00] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Neat. What CPU?
[02:00] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, actualy Xen is the holy trenity
[02:01] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, on that particular box celeron 1.2 ghz
[02:01] <NthDegree> Xen is awful
[02:01] <imbrandon> Xen is a god, as long as you have the hardware support ;)
[02:01] <EvilIdler> OK, so we have Xen in-kernel virtualisation, qemu/bochs/VMware in the middle, and Win4Lin/Wine
[02:01] <EvilIdler> Like 256 processors to offload it to?
[02:02] <NthDegree> Xen is evil wouldn't work with SuSE
[02:02] <imbrandon> heh or a macbook pro core duo ;)
[02:02] <EvilIdler> Hehe
[02:02] <EvilIdler> Should try VMware on this P4, then.
[02:02] <imbrandon> NthDegree, xen's kernel wouldent work with suse ?
[02:03] <trinni> hallo everyone
[02:03] <imbrandon> hello
[02:03] <trinni> have probs while installing dapper i386. installation is stall at "preparing amarok" since minutes. anyone can help? i am a first-timer
[02:03] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, win4lin, wine, crossover, cedega, winex ;)
[02:04] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Well, the last 4 are quadruplets ;)
[02:04] <imbrandon> trinni, how long ?
[02:04] <trinni> imbrandon: oh bout 10 mins now
[02:04] <Prak> is nixternal here?
[02:04] <trinni> it stands still at 30% - hdd-led is on
[02:04] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, actualy not they all use same codebase but are diffrent forks, they just contrib to each other once in a while
[02:04] <trinni> but cant hear hdd--only my cpucooler...
[02:05] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Close enough relatives, at least
[02:05] <EvilIdler> Oh, and there's PEAR, too
[02:05] <imbrandon> trinni, give it a little longer, if still nothing restart the install
[02:06] <trinni> imbrandon: how long would you wait approx- 30 mins?
[02:06] <EvilIdler> Waiting for the x86 version of that to show up :)
[02:06] <NthDegree> i want a virtualiser because i don't trust windows
[02:06] <imbrandon> yea pearpc ( powerpc g3/g4/and soon g5 )
[02:06] <EvilIdler> I have a virtualiser in an external box..
[02:06] <EvilIdler> Some may refer to it as 'another PC'
[02:06] <imbrandon> NthDegree, just use qemu you will find the most support for it or vmware
[02:07] <imbrandon> EvilIdler, x86 pearpc ? pearpc is to emulate ppc not x86 , thats what it was designed for
[02:08] <Prak> what kind of drivers for d-link dfe-530txs ethernet card are out there?
[02:08] <EvilIdler> imbrandon: Well, I mean something along those lines meant to emulate the x86 macs specifically. Apple keep doing things to avoid use of their OS on non-Apple hardware ;)
[02:08] <imbrandon> Prak, google ?
[02:08] <NthDegree> imbrandon:  i'm a AMD64 user will that affect things
[02:08] <omega> Does anyone know which package contains the Luxi font?
[02:09] <imbrandon> NthDegree, then definately qemu / vmware , in that order
[02:09] <Prak> other than sundance and via-rhine?
[02:09] <imbrandon> omega .......
[02:09] <imbrandon> brandon@voyager:~$ sudo apt-cache search luxi
[02:09] <imbrandon> xfonts-scalable - scalable fonts for X
[02:09] <imbrandon> t1-xfree86-nonfree - non-free Postscript Type 1 fonts from XFree86
[02:09] <imbrandon> ttf-xfree86-nonfree - non-free TrueType fonts from XFree86
[02:10] <EvilIdler> Time to watch the Latest Doctor Who before I collapse into bed again.
[02:10] <EvilIdler> G'night
[02:10] <imbrandon> Prak, those are probbly the only two foss ones , what do you mean? why not use one of those ?
[02:11] <imbrandon> gnight EvilIdlerZZZ
[02:11] <omega> imbrandon: Did you have to enter your password before doing that?
[02:11] <Prak> i can't get my internet working
[02:11] <imbrandon> omega, yes
[02:11] <omega> Don't you find that annoying?
[02:12] <imbrandon> i take annoying over security ( sudo runs commands over root ) but you can change that behaveure with visudo
[02:12] <omega> visudo hmm
[02:12] <imbrandon> man visudo
[02:13] <omega> I am reading that now.
[02:14] <imbrandon> i wouldent reoment turning off the pasword check for sudo though, it makes your box very vunerable to attack
[02:14] <omega> I know. But my box isn't connected to the internet.
[02:15] <imbrandon> ?
[02:15] <nixternal`food> Prak: you got everything installed?
[02:15] <Prak> yes
[02:15] <omega> Is there any way besides running as root to get around constantly having to enter my password if I want to run adept?
[02:15] <nixternal> stock install?? did you mess with the network at all?
[02:15] <imbrandon> omega, no and thats NOT a good idea
[02:16] <imbrandon> ( running as root )
[02:16] <Prak> haven't messed with the network yet
[02:16] <nixternal> ok
[02:16] <imbrandon> ubuntu is not designed to be used as root
[02:16] <nixternal> here is what i want to try first
[02:16] <Prak> reconfigured the network ip stuff manually
[02:17] <omega> But I install loads of software all the time.
[02:18] <nixternal> Prak: >  sudo mv /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko /lib/modules$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:19] <nixternal> there is a space in between the ipv6.ko and the /lib/modoules...
[02:19] <NthDegree> omega there is
[02:19] <NthDegree> you can check the box "keep password"
[02:20] <omega> Where can I do that?
[02:20] <NthDegree> when you run adept
[02:20] <omega> I can't.
[02:20] <NthDegree> you may have to change some settings but it can be done
[02:20] <Prak> and then?
[02:20] <omega> What should I search for if I want to learn how to do that?
[02:20] <nixternal> Prak: >   sudo depmod -a
[02:21] <imbrandon> omega, adept
[02:21] <nixternal> Prak: >  reboot
[02:21] <NthDegree> omega i have no clue but you need to change some settings to have the root password cached
[02:21] <Prak> reboot the os?
[02:21] <nixternal> yes
[02:21] <Prak> ok
[02:22] <nixternal> that is going to disable ipv6 from starting up and sending a message to the router
[02:22] <omega> And you wouldn't happen to know where you read that, by any chance? It would be most helpful if you would. Because I have no idea what to keywords to use.
[02:22] <imbrandon> nixternal, you had a typo in that line, hopefully he dident paste it
[02:22] <nixternal> that message it sends to the router, maybe causing the route to deny it access since the router doesn't understand ipv6 and in turns drops icmp
[02:22] <nixternal> what
[02:22] <nixternal> i did?
[02:22] <NthDegree> omega, i didn't read it - some distros by default have a checkbox for keep password
[02:22] <omega> Oh.
[02:22] <omega> Hm, maybe I should just ask in #kde
[02:22] <NthDegree> you need to enable that option in the config files
[02:23] <imbrandon> nixternal, /lib/modules$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak  <<<< modules$(uname -r)
[02:23] <nixternal> ahhhh
[02:23] <NthDegree> yes omega a good idea
[02:23] <nixternal> shiate
[02:23] <imbrandon> not /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:23] <nixternal> well..it would have erroed out wouldn't?
[02:23] <nixternal> this keyboard sux
[02:23] <imbrandon> dunnoo might have just created the dir ;)
[02:23] <nixternal> lol
[02:23] <nixternal> no...cuz it was a standard mv
[02:24] <nixternal> you need to pass an option for it to create a dir
[02:24] <nixternal> mv -R i believe
[02:24] <nixternal> recursive style
[02:24] <nixternal> who knows anymore
[02:24] <imbrandon> heh i would make sure he runs the command correct then, he might not have run it if he dident get an error
[02:24] <imbrandon> brb
[02:24] <nixternal> that would have errored out
[02:24] <nixternal> i just did it
[02:25] <nixternal> mv: cannot move `/lib/modules/2.6.16-ck10/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko' to `/lib/modules2.6.16-ck10/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak': No such file or directory
[02:25] <nixternal> Prak: you didn't get an error when you did that correct?
[02:27] <nixternal> oooh..got a 2.6.16.-ck11 patch already
[02:27] <Prak> i got an error message
[02:27] <Prak> like what you said
[02:27] <nixternal> arg
[02:27] <nixternal> gotta do it over then
[02:28] <nixternal> sudo mv /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:28] <nixternal> i think it is right now
[02:28] <nixternal> do it that way prak...if it works it won't give you an error..it will just come back to prompt
[02:29] <Prak> error message: mv: cannot stat '/lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko': No such file or directory
[02:29] <imbrandon> Prak, at a prompt type "uname -r"
[02:29] <Dasnipa`> bicardi and cola... it gets the job don
[02:30] <Dasnipa`> e
[02:30] <Prak> ok
[02:30] <Prak> i saw 2.6.15-23-386
[02:30] <nixternal> cd /lib/modules
[02:30] <nixternal> not cd
[02:30] <nixternal> ls /lib/modules
[02:30] <Prak> ok
[02:30] <nixternal> see if 2.6.16-23-386 is in there
[02:30] <Prak> it is in blue
[02:30] <nixternal> ok
[02:30] <nixternal> cd into it
[02:31] <imbrandon> nixternal, his bash dident convert $(uname -r) to that, look at the error
[02:31] <nixternal> then > cd /kernel/net/ipv6
[02:31] <nixternal> oh..i didn't see the error
[02:31] <Prak> ok
[02:31] <Prak> then?
[02:31] <nixternal> sudo mv ipv6.ko ipv6.ko.bak
[02:32] <nixternal> did that work?
[02:32] <Prak> mv: cannot stat 'ipv6.ko': No such file or directory
[02:32] <nixternal> wth
[02:32] <imbrandon> ls -la
[02:32] <nixternal> ls
[02:32] <nixternal> -la
[02:32] <nixternal> ya
[02:32] <nixternal> lol
[02:32] <nixternal> its gotta be there
[02:33] <Prak> 2.6.15-23-386 is in there
[02:33] <nixternal> huh
[02:33] <imbrandon> do "sudo updatedb && sudo locate ipv6.ko" without quotes
[02:33] <nixternal> cd /lib/modules/2.6.16-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6
[02:33] <nixternal> that is where you should be
[02:34] <Prak> no such directory
[02:34] <imbrandon> Prak, do "sudo updatedb && sudo locate ipv6.ko" without quotes
[02:34] <imbrandon> brb
[02:35] <nixternal> w/o the quotes
[02:35] <nixternal> not the 2nd time ;D
[02:35] <nixternal> just in case he didn't see it the first time
[02:36] <imbrandon> *looks* its there both times ;)
[02:36] <imbrandon> anyhow brb ;)
[02:36] <nixternal> gahahah
[02:36] <nixternal> i didn't look at the end
[02:36] <nixternal> LOL
[02:36] <nixternal> <-- e.tard
[02:36] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:36] <Prak> can't find the directory
[02:36] <nixternal> locate ipv6.ko
[02:36] <nixternal> doesn't find it at all?
[02:36] <nixternal> hrmmm
[02:37] <Prak> it's in /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko
[02:37] <nixternal> ya
[02:37] <nixternal> lol
[02:37] <nixternal> where was i saying?
[02:37] <nixternal> omg...ya
[02:37] <nixternal> duh...i have 2.6.16...im sorry
[02:37] <nixternal> i was givin' my directory
[02:37] <nixternal> lol
[02:38] <nixternal> ok
[02:38] <nixternal> lets try this
[02:38] <nixternal> Prak: > sudo mv /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/net/ipv6/ipv6.ko.bak
[02:39] <Prak> done
[02:39] <Prak> restart?
[02:39] <nixternal> not yet
[02:39] <nixternal> do this
[02:39] <nixternal> > sudo depmod -a
[02:40] <nixternal> once that finishes...then reboot
[02:40] <Prak> ok
[02:40] <nixternal> no errors correct?
[02:40] <Prak> no errors
[02:40] <nixternal> good deal
[02:40] <Search4Lancer> I still can't get transparency to work.... is there some magical package I need to have?
[02:40] <nixternal> boogity boogity boogity
[02:40] <imbrandon> nixternal, you know next kernel update that will get replaced, he should realy be editing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ;)
[02:40] <nixternal> true
[02:40] <nixternal> damnit...i forget about blacklist
[02:40] <imbrandon> hahaha
[02:41] <nixternal> i do...i have used it like once
[02:41] <nixternal> we can work on that after we get the net fixed
[02:41] <imbrandon> i have never used it , just know thats the way to do it so kernel updates dont break you
[02:42] <nixternal> ya...i should know better...but obviously i don't...thanks for that though..because that is the way i will start doing it from now on
[02:42] <nixternal> with blacklist...you just put in ipv6.ko or ipv6...or the entire directory location?
[02:42] <nixternal> i think you just put in ipv6
[02:43] <imbrandon> i think ipv6 but it has directions at the top of the file and examples
[02:43] <Prak> what's next?
[02:43] <nixternal> did you reboot?
[02:43] <Prak> yes
[02:43] <Prak> finished rebooting
[02:44] <nixternal> you set up network static?
[02:44] <Prak> yes
[02:44] <nixternal> ping 192.168.0.1
[02:44] <nixternal> see if you can hit the router
[02:44] <Prak> timeout
[02:45] <nixternal> ifconfig
[02:45] <nixternal> see what that says
[02:45] <NthDegree> Prak:  ping www.google.com
[02:45] <nrdb> I am looking for a way to delete all files older than a month or so from a directory, what command would do that the easiest?
[02:45] <imbrandon> Search4Lancer, transparency on what ?
[02:45] <Prak> cant reach it
[02:46] <nixternal> what did ifconfig say?
[02:46] <nixternal> does it show eth0
[02:46] <imbrandon> nrdb, rm ( with regular expressions )
[02:46] <Prak> there's an address associated with eth0
[02:46] <imbrandon> Prak, and a gw ?
[02:46] <Search4Lancer> imbrandon - windows, what else?
[02:46] <nixternal> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
[02:47] <nixternal> do you see that at all?
[02:48] <Prak> don't see a gw
[02:48] <Prak> yes
[02:48] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:48] <Prak> i see the broadcast part
[02:48] <nixternal> you don't see a gw?
[02:48] <nixternal> you see UP
[02:48] <Prak> don't see gw
[02:48] <nrdb> imbrandon: I don't see any options to applicable in rm.
[02:48] <nixternal> goto the network settings and set it to do DHCP
[02:49] <imbrandon> nrdb, with regular expressions
[02:49] <imbrandon> Search4Lancer, http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2006/01/making-your-kde-look-nicer.html
[02:50] <imbrandon> and http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75527
[02:51] <corey> i cant figure out what im doing wrong, i upgraded to dapper and now network manager doesnt list my wifi card, its listed in iwconfig but not in networkmanager..anyone?
[02:51] <Prak> set it to dhcp
[02:52] <Prak> can't reach router either
[02:52] <imbrandon> corey, maybe remove the card and try to reinstall it
[02:52] <corey> its integrated
[02:52] <imbrandon> no remove the drivers
[02:52] <corey> oh
[02:52] <corey> its installed properly
[02:52] <corey> im just missing a step i think
[02:52] <imbrandon> ok follow the steps again then ;)
[02:52] <imbrandon> !wifi
[02:52] <ubotu> from memory, wifi is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[02:52] <corey> ;/
[02:53] <corey> cause its recognzed in iwconfig
[02:53] <nixternal> Prak: sudo rmmod sundance
[02:53] <Prak> ok
[02:53] <Prak> and then
[02:53] <Prak> ?
[02:53] <nixternal> ok
[02:53] <nixternal> did that work w/o error?
[02:54] <Prak> no error
[02:54] <nixternal> good
[02:54] <nixternal> > sudo modprobe rt18139
[02:55] <Prak> module rt18139 not found
[02:55] <Prak> error
[02:55] <nixternal> argh
[02:55] <nixternal> ok
[02:55] <nixternal> > sudo modprobe via-rhine
[02:55] <Prak> and then?
[02:56] <nixternal> > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:56] <Prak> error messages are all over the place
[02:57] <nixternal> ok
[02:57] <nixternal> > sudo rmmod via-rhine
[02:57] <Prak> ok
[02:57] <nixternal> > sudo modprobe sundance
[02:58] <Prak> ok
[02:58] <nixternal> > sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:58] <macd> are wepkeys in /etc/networking/interfaces hex or ascii, I just remember readong something about that
[02:58] <nixternal> hex unless you specify s:
[02:58] <macd> excellent
[02:58] <macd> y
[02:58] <macd> ty*
[02:58] <nixternal> np
[02:59] <macd> Im going to play with the le atheros again today, see if I cant make it stay connected for longer than 30seconds at a time
[02:59] <nixternal> my atheros never dc's at all
[02:59] <imbrandon> heh
[02:59] <Prak> ok
[02:59] <nixternal> no errors prak?
[03:00] <macd> mine acts funny, thats putting it mildly (proxim silver)
[03:00] <macd> and it never seems to to even pick the pcmcia care up without a reboot, am I missing some simple thing?
[03:00] <Prak> error messages all over the place
[03:00] <matthew> I have figured out how to install the ati driver from there website but it is not able to run open gl
[03:00] <nixternal> arg...what is the error messages???   dhcp related?
[03:01] <Prak> yes
[03:01] <nixternal> ok..so the card loaded...just not dhcp
[03:01] <nixternal> dmesg
[03:01] <nixternal> see if you get anyting crazy in there
[03:01] <nixternal> see if ipv6 still pops up too in there...it shouldn't though
[03:02] <Prak> saw eth0
[03:02] <nixternal> ifconfig eth0
[03:02] <nixternal> see if it is blank or what
[03:02] <Prak> i don't see ipv6
[03:03] <Prak> ok
[03:03] <nixternal> good...so the ipv6 is gone
[03:03] <Prak> no ip address
[03:03] <nixternal> this is so retarded
[03:03] <Prak> i know
[03:03] <nixternal> one card...and it is giving so much grief
[03:03] <nixternal> i had better luck with ndiswrapper
[03:04] <Prak> i guess i better switch the card
[03:04] <RadiantFire> sillyness...
[03:05] <kelvie> Prak: what kind of card is it?
[03:05] <Prak> d-link dfe-540txs
[03:05] <nixternal> dlink dfe-530txs
[03:05] <kelvie> hrm
[03:05] <RadiantFire> so, in the default kcontrol there are exciting options to manipulate smb.conf from a GUI, where exactly are those in Kubuntu's control center?
[03:06] <nixternal> OMG
[03:07] <nixternal> it is a known bug with that card for 2.6.16 kernel...so i am wondering
[03:07] <kelvie> he uses 2.6.15
[03:07] <imbrandon> RadiantFire, where in kcontrol never seen it  ?
[03:08] <imbrandon> nm
[03:08] <RadiantFire> there is a section labeled Samba
[03:08] <RadiantFire> I'd like to change the workgroup, but I can't find it in the control center
[03:08] <imbrandon> yea i saw it, doubt its in kubuntu's control center though
[03:09] <RadiantFire> well thats silly!
[03:09] <RadiantFire> thats an important option
[03:09] <nixternal> that card is 10/100/1000 correct?
[03:10] <Prak> 10/100
[03:10] <Prak> not sure about 1000
[03:10] <chavo> RadiantFire, just run the kde control center
[03:10] <nixternal> i thought it was for some reason
[03:10] <Prak> fast ethernet 10/100 adapter
[03:10] <nixternal> ok..
[03:12] <nrdb> if I do a 'ls *.CNM' can I reverse this to give a list of all but the .CNM files?
[03:14] <kelvie> nrdb: try find -maxdepth 1 -not -name "*.txt"
[03:14] <kelvie> er s/txt/CNM
[03:15] <corey> gosh why doesnt network manager show my wifi card now that i upgraded to dapper :(
[03:21] <Kubuntite> are there any dapper 6.06 game repositories?
[03:21] <Kubuntite> The most important feature of a distro and there's mostly 2d games and not many of them =(
[03:23] <nixternal> Subsystem: Netgear FA311 / FA312 (FA311 with WoL HW)
[03:24] <nixternal> there you go RadiantFire...i was positive it was a netgear
[03:24] <RadiantFire> which, huh?'
[03:25] <nixternal> i dunno
[03:25] <nixternal> one of those 2 though ;D
[03:25] <corey> i must not havie something configured it recognizes my wifi xists
[03:25] <corey> yet its not detecting any networks
[03:25] <nixternal> RadiantFire: you got the 530txs running?
[03:26] <RadiantFire> i've never heard of that model in my life
[03:26] <imbrandon> Kubuntite, not exactly to everyone, the most important feature to me is development, not everyone plays games, but i hear ya
[03:26] <nixternal> who in the hell said they had it running then?
[03:26] <RadiantFire> lol
[03:26] <RadiantFire> thats the second time you've tried to give me someone elses wireless problems
[03:26] <nixternal> im not scrollling up to find out either
[03:26] <RadiantFire> roflmao
[03:27] <imbrandon> nixternal, corey is all yours ;) *wireless*
[03:27] <corey> it just worked in breezy
[03:27] <RadiantFires> nixternal, there is a nifty find function in konversation if thats what you are using
[03:27] <imbrandon> looks like your the new in-house wireless guru
[03:27] <nixternal> im up to my ears in d-link dfe-530txs
[03:27] <nixternal> lol
[03:27] <corey> im missing some setting but i dont know what
[03:27] <nixternal> i know RadiantFires...i actually pressed ctrl+f by accident
[03:27] <corey> for some reason network manager isnt detecting any networks
[03:27] <RadiantFires> fun imes
[03:27] <nixternal> you got the dell corey?
[03:27] <corey> no
[03:28] <blaze> hello, can somebody help me with the kde language tool/
[03:28] <nixternal> see..im thinkin' of someone else now
[03:28] <corey> the drier and all is right
[03:28] <nixternal> lol
[03:28] <corey> driver
[03:28] <corey> it just worked on breezy
[03:28] <corey> im missing some setting
[03:28] <nixternal> did you do an upgrade...or did you flat out reinstall?
[03:28] <blaze> i can't set my keyboard and the switching buttons don't work
[03:29] <corey> upgrade
[03:29] <Kubuntite> I wish we had a "official ubuntu wifi card" and a "official ubuntu network card" and so on. So we can certify SPECIFIC hardware and buy it in bulk
[03:29] <corey> i think the issue is it made my wlan0 "eth1" and i have to change it in a setting or something
[03:29] <Kubuntite> If you did that for enough parts you could even sell a low-cost 100% compatable and fast system.
[03:29] <blaze> can somebody tell me what keyboard model to set in the language tool
[03:29] <nixternal> ya...i noticed mine is eth0 now also and  not wlan0
[03:29] <corey> like i can click "connect to wireless network" and it connects
[03:30] <corey> wlel it wont connect properply
[03:30] <corey> but its not listing thw ireless networks on the menu
[03:30] <corey> and im not sure why
[03:30] <nixternal> where are you looking at???   i manually config my wireless in terminal..i haven't used the gui for net config at all
[03:31] <nixternal> i got my lappy fired up..and i can work right along with you...tell me where to look
[03:31] <corey> network manager
[03:31] <nixternal> under system settings right?
[03:31] <corey> well its an applet
[03:31] <nixternal> k
[03:31] <corey> you have to addon
[03:31] <nixternal> hmm
[03:31] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install networkmanager right?
[03:32] <imbrandon> no it would be network-manager, and the kde frontend for that is knetworkmanager
[03:32] <imbrandon> i think he has some breezy left over
[03:32] <imbrandon> brb gotta get the phone
[03:33] <RadiantFires> i tried installing knetworkmanager, it said BREAK(install) so I gave up
[03:33] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:33] <corey> im using gnome frontend
[03:33] <corey> no the updated completely removed it
[03:33] <corey> i had to readd it
[03:33] <imbrandon> ahhh you need to be in #ubuntu then not #kubuntu ;)
[03:33] <corey> yea i am
[03:33] <corey> but too many dumb people asking easy questions
[03:33] <imbrandon> this is kubuntu ;)
[03:33] <nixternal> hahahah
[03:33] <corey> yea yea
[03:34] <nixternal> [20:34]  <corey> but too many dumb people asking easy questions
[03:34] <corey> network-manager runs on kubuntu too
[03:34] <nixternal> LOL
[03:34] <nixternal> corey..im installing it now
[03:34] <nixternal> let me check it here in a sec
[03:34] <imbrandon> corey, we use totaly diffrent programs is the problem, there is no network manager applet in kde
[03:34] <corey> yes there is
[03:34] <imbrandon> ok there is but not the same one
[03:34] <corey> basically
[03:34] <imbrandon> basicly dosent help when debuging
[03:35] <nixternal> well...that program sux cuz it took my damn static ip and made it dhcp during the install
[03:35] <corey> it doesnt suck
[03:35] <nixternal> it is installed..where is the applet hiding?
[03:35] <Kubuntite> What's fun to do with a newly installed dapper kubuntu system
[03:36] <nixternal> uninstall it and install it again ;)   thats always fun
[03:36] <corey> run "nm-appet
[03:36] <corey> "
[03:36] <nixternal> k
[03:36] <imbrandon> Kubuntite, depends on what you consider fun ;) i'm debuging some c# code right now that seems kinda fun ,)
[03:36] <corey> hrm
[03:37] <RadiantFires> mmm... debugging is fun
[03:37] <RadiantFires> watcha writtin?
[03:37] <corey> i can connect to the wifi network thru ubuntu
[03:37] <corey> so its apparently a configuration issue
[03:37] <nixternal> found it
[03:37] <nixternal> it is in the internet directory on themenu...retarded
[03:37] <nixternal> i see one network...my open one
[03:38] <corey> wireless?
[03:38] <Prak> is this something to do with my ethernet card?
[03:39] <Prak> hardware compatibility?
[03:39] <Prak> if it is, i'll just get another card and try it out again
[03:39] <Kubuntite> imbrandon: I'm learning C I find it to be very powerful without much overhead
[03:39] <nixternal> im reading Prak...i don't see much on support for that card
[03:39] <Kubuntite> imbrandon: you using mono?
[03:40] <nixternal> Prak: if you can..borrow one from your buddy to test it out
[03:40] <Prak> ok
[03:40] <imbrandon> Kubuntite, yes i use mono
[03:40] <Prak> i'll call it quits for the day
[03:40] <nixternal> i will keep looking into this issue though
[03:40] <Prak> linux has failed on me again
[03:40] <nixternal> alright man...sorry about all of this
[03:40] <nixternal> i wish we could have got it going
[03:40] <nixternal> corey: yes it is my wireless network
[03:40] <nixternal> i see my neighbors too...and im in the dungeon
[03:41] <Prak> bye
[03:41] <Kubuntite> Linux didn't fail you. Its stupid hardware dealers who dont care about linux
[03:41] <nixternal> l8r
[03:41] <corey> i try and manually join my wifi network thru network manager but it wont connect
[03:41] <nixternal> dlink has support for that card in linux though...just for the 2.2 and 2.4 kernel
[03:41] <corey> in breezy it showed detected networks, idk if they took this feature out or not,
[03:41] <nixternal> the sundance driver now in linux though may have lost support for the firmware on that card since it is so old
[03:42] <nixternal> mine shows "Wireless Networks" and under that is 'richie' 'williams' and 'hack.this.bitch'
[03:43] <Kubuntite> I've had good times with dlink
[03:43] <nixternal> richie is my upstairs network for the office, williams is nextdoor, and hack.this.bitch is wide open on its own subnet
[03:43] <Kubuntite> the router I got had a penguin and a apple on it but no windows logo. I thought I'd try it. Works great
[03:43] <nixternal> i use a dlink dwl-650 wireless card w/ no probs
[03:43] <RadiantFires> roflmao
[03:43] <corey> nixternal: yea it should, mine shows Wireless Networks
[03:43] <corey> but it doesnt show any networks under it
[03:43] <corey> and tehre should be at least 2 or 3
[03:43] <RadiantFires> hack.this.bitch...
[03:44] <nixternal> hmmm...
[03:44] <nixternal> haha ya RadiantFires
[03:44] <corey> idk why its not working
[03:44] <RadiantFires> sigh, samba shares are hard...
[03:44] <nixternal> that has been the essid on that router for the past 4 years
[03:44] <RadiantFires> lol
[03:44] <corey> i think ubuntu is trying to use it and not letting network manager access it
[03:45] <nixternal> and...samba shares worked from the install with Mepis
[03:45] <corey> brb
[03:45] <RadiantFires> i tried nfs once
[03:45] <RadiantFires> i gave that up really fast
[03:45] <nixternal> although..i notice the signal strength in network manager is way off
[03:45] <RadiantFires> smb browsing = fun, smb share hosting = the devil
[03:45] <nixternal> cuz the laptop is about 2 feet from the ap
[03:45] <nixternal> and it shows less than half
[03:46] <nixternal> ya RadiantFires...i can browse every share in the world...but i can't browse any of the shares on this system
[03:46] <nixternal> and swat don't even work
[03:46] <nixternal> lol
[03:46] <RadiantFires> yes, indeed...
[03:46] <RadiantFires> evil...
[03:46] <nixternal> http://localhost:901    error error error try again
[03:46] <nixternal> horsecrap
[03:46] <RadiantFires> actually, thats one of the few things I give props to gnome for
[03:46] <RadiantFires> they have good samba configurato
[03:47] <nixternal> really
[03:47] <nixternal> you know what....i think my breezy server is good
[03:47] <RadiantFires> i tinkered with gnome when I first started with ubuntu
[03:47] <nixternal> my breezy server has been running forever...i don't even know why..i hardly use it
[03:47] <macd> well, no luck with that, network manager sais it cant query wlan0, iwconfig shows wlan0 and the correct AP....
[03:48] <nixternal> how many network issues do we have?
[03:48] <CaBlGuY> anyone know if Google earth is gonna be on the devs for dapper?
[03:48] <Prak> nixternal, i have one more question
[03:48] <imbrandon> CaBlGuY, depends on google speed but not for dapper thats for sure
[03:48] <nixternal> let me recommend...    orinoco or prism2/3 cards..stay away from ndiswrapper....3com and intel ethernet nics
[03:48] <nixternal> ;D
[03:48] <RadiantFires> holy crap, the samba share just started working for no reason!
[03:48] <nixternal> ahahah Prak is back
[03:48] <nixternal> it is a Prak attack
[03:48] <macd> nixternal: well since I've moved to dapper, direct rendering = broken wifi = broken
[03:48] <nixternal> whats up
[03:49] <RadiantFires> maybe I should bitch about every program that doesn't work
[03:49] <CaBlGuY> imbrandon,  y u say that?
[03:49] <macd> both of which worked out of box with breezy.
[03:49] <RadiantFires> and it will magically fix itself
[03:49] <Prak> which card would you recommend in getting?
[03:49] <nixternal> macd: which card is direct rendering broke on?
[03:49] <macd> ati IGP340M
[03:49] <nixternal> 3com or intel cards = the best...i have a cheapy netgear and it works without an issue
[03:49] <Prak> 3com or intel cards?
[03:49] <macd> the fglrx driver will not work, nor will the proprietary ATI, both of which did prior to dapper.
[03:49] <imbrandon> CaBlGuY, becouse no new programs are getting added to dapper this late AND google is the one to release google earth not ubuntu ;)
[03:50] <nixternal> Prak: i think the fact is that card is old, and the firmware in it isn't supported 100% by the linux driver...now i could very well be wrong and wouldnt' doubt it...just my opinion
[03:50] <Prak> ok
[03:50] <nixternal> i am willing to bet any cheapy you buy would work great
[03:50] <DrBair> is it possible to run a DNS server on a somewhat dynamic IP?
[03:50] <Prak> ok
[03:50] <CaBlGuY> imbrandon,  ahhh  I get ya now..  ;-)  well, someone just needs to build a packege for it.. :-P
[03:50] <nixternal> you in canada prak?
[03:50] <Prak> yes
[03:50] <Cheapy> yeah
[03:50] <CaBlGuY> and stick it on the devs
[03:50] <Prak> get anyone from a friend would be fine?
[03:50] <nixternal> i thought so...the card you have is canadian
[03:50] <nixternal> lol
[03:51] <nixternal> when you google it..the top spot is canadian support
[03:51] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/743989   looks ok?
[03:51] <nixternal> ya Prak...get one from a friend...if it is free hell it wouldn't hurt to try it out
[03:51] <Prak> ok
[03:51] <Prak> later
[03:51] <nixternal> l8r
[03:52] <macd> and the AP shows the card as being i the currently connected list by MAC addy.
[03:52] <nixternal> hmmm
[03:52] <nixternal> i want to check out this networkmanager and see if i can get wep or wpa working
[03:52] <nixternal> that is something i haven't had any luck with
[03:52] <macd> yet it wont pull a addy with DHCP, so its of little use
[03:53] <macd> I might go back to breezy in all honesty
[03:55] <nixternal> OMG IT WORKED
[03:55] <nixternal> i like network-manager..im sorry for saying i didn't
[03:55] <macd> heh
[03:55] <macd> networkmanager gives me the error wlan0 cant query device.
[03:55] <macd> worked o breezy great though
[03:55] <nixternal> im using it in kde and it worked
[03:55] <nixternal> macd: you corey?
[03:55] <macd> kde here also.
[03:55] <macd> no Im not
[03:55] <nixternal> wtf
[03:56] <nixternal> WHERE DID COREY GO
[03:56] <nixternal> you both have the same exact issue
[03:56] <nixternal> he left...so i thought you were him
[03:56] <nixternal> he uses his in gnome though
[03:56] <macd> ahhh, no Im in kde 3.5.2/dapper
[03:56] <imbrandon> CaBlGuY, i could build a package for it no problem if it was ever released but that still wont get it in dapper, dapper is goona be released in a few days too late
[03:56] <macd> Im really getting fustrated though this time
[03:56] <macd> Ive never had so many problems
[03:57] <macd> at least that I couldnt solve on my own
[03:57] <imbrandon> macd, upgrade or clean install ?
[03:57] <Toothpick> Does someone have the kubuntu live cd wallpaper image that is the chalboard?
[03:58] <macd> well I started out upgrading from warty, breezy then to dapper
[03:58] <nixternal> i spoke to soon
[03:58] <macd> then I decided a clean install
[03:58] <nixternal> it knocked the wireless out totally
[03:58] <macd> I usualy distupgrade when the realse is about to go stable
[03:59] <macd> and actualy I changed my repos from dapper to breezy and distupgraded and direct rendering and wifi worked again
[03:59] <Toothpick> This is like the image http://www.washingtonco.k12.nc.us/pes/images/pes.jpg but that has been modified and I want the original
[04:03] <r0xz> last word in title has typo
[04:04] <macd> I think its too long
[04:06] <Kubuntite> wtf was that
[04:06] <Kubuntite> and why don't 3d games have sound? does kubunt have soundwrapper or anything like that?
[04:06] <Kubuntite> Trying to run Enemy-Territory
[04:07] <chavo> Kubuntite, do a killall artsd before you start it
[04:07] <Kubuntite> arts was way dead
[04:13] <Kubuntite> arts came back and the kill command dont work
[04:13] <Kubuntite> tried /etc/init.d/artsd stop but I guess it doesnt respond to that
[04:14] <RadiantFire> there is an artsd init script?
[04:14] <RadiantFire> wow
[04:14] <Kubuntite> yes
[04:14] <RadiantFire> i thought it was launched on demand from kde
[04:14] <Kubuntite> nope
[04:16] <Kubuntite> there are 6 artsd running
[04:16] <Kubuntite> when I reboot
[04:19] <Bilford> whats the best way to keep an eye on how much HD space I have left?
[04:20] <xwolf-> typing 'df -h' in a console?
[04:21] <Bilford> ty
[04:27] <satempler> why is the IBM and Sun JRE pkgs not displaying the licenses
[04:28] <satempler> apt-get will download them and try to install them but the licences won't show and then the install fales
[04:30] <satempler> any one here
[04:33] <regeya> !java
[04:33] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[04:37] <NewToKubuntu> whats the path for .xsession file ?
[04:39] <NewToKubuntu> nvm found it
[04:44] <satempler> regeya: I installed the sun java pacakge FROM the repos
[04:44] <satempler> well tryed any ways
[04:45] <satempler> it won't show the licences for it or the IBM Blackdown Java from the debs
[04:46] <satempler> i wish people would look at what I type instead of being some sort of Dell Tech support
[04:46] <thoreauputic> satempler: complaining about volunteer support isn't really a good strategy to get help ;-)
[04:47] <chavo> satempler, use synaptic to install it, then keep the console window open
[04:47] <satempler> no but you need to read what I am asking for help for before spouting off an answer
[04:47] <satempler> chavo: I did
[04:48] <satempler> and thats what happend the ncurses licences display or the stop thread somthing didn't show up
[04:48] <thoreauputic> satempler: and did it fail to install?
[04:50] <satempler> thoreauputic: ya because it won't display the licence
[04:50] <thoreauputic> satempler: sounds like a bug in the package then
[04:51] <gil> hello i need help with my graphics card!
[04:51] <frank_> satempler: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose dialog
[04:51] <frank_> satempler: I think there is a bug in the default settings of debconf
[04:52] <gil> how do i get kcontrol to pick up my intel 915 card
[04:53] <satempler> frank_ thanks that worked
[04:53] <satempler> now I get the ncurses diolog
[04:53] <frank_> satempler: did you install using the live cd installer?
[04:55] <satempler> frank_: ya I did
[04:55] <satempler> was that the problem
[04:56] <frank_> satempler: I think only the live cd installer leaves debconf configured like this
[04:57] <satempler> ya didn't have a problem with it before
[04:57] <satempler> on beta 2 or flight 7
[04:57] <satempler> but that was the intall alternitive or text mode install
[04:58] <frank_> satempler: yeah. live cd installer is probably the problem
[05:02] <chuck> How can I incress my screen res?
[05:06] <Bilford> go to monitor hardware settings
[05:06] <regeya> satempler: hey, maybe instead of being an a**hole, you could read my comment as "well, hm, that doesn't seem to be working for you; have you tried this method?  it worked for me..."
[05:07] <thoreauputic> !fixres
[05:07] <ubotu> Help to fix the display resolution is available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:07] <regeya> but no, when people don't get the answer to the exact question they ask, they get all salty dog, go off, and insult the people trying to help them...f**k it, I'm through
[05:08] <satempler> ha some people don't understand
[05:08] <stevekl> huh
[05:08] <thoreauputic> satempler: he actually has a point
[05:08] <thoreauputic> satempler: you weren't exactly being smart
[05:08] <satempler> no he dosn't my question was there for 10min long enough to be read entirely
[05:09] <satempler> it wasn't java was cliped from my question then a canded response was thrown at me
[05:09] <thoreauputic> satempler: I won't argue with you - but you need to readjust your attitude a bit, frankly
[05:10] <thoreauputic> !COC
[05:10] <ubotu> coc is, like, the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, which we ask all Ubuntu users to follow. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[05:11] <satempler> thoreauputic: i see this happen alot people will speed read the question and then trow a caned response or flame the person for not saying the problem but has stated it several times
[05:12] <thoreauputic> satempler: that isn't the point - the point is to treat people with respect
[05:12] <satempler> thoreauputic: I am not saying i was right but I am also saying that it wasn't right for him to throw a caned resonse at me as if I am some moron
[05:12] <thoreauputic> satempler: can you imagine how often we see this kind of thing? It just happens
[05:12] <satempler> I know
[05:13] <thoreauputic> satempler: he was trying to help - insulting him isn't appropriate
[05:13] <thoreauputic> satempler: we'll leave it - I think you see the point :)
[05:14] <satempler> i see it all the time and I just get tired of it hell in #fedora i stated a problem and they repo maintainer said "I don't belevie you" and there was no logic for him to say that
[05:19] <thoreauputic> satempler: get used to it - IRC has all kinds of people and fretting over it is pointless
[05:19] <thoreauputic> satempler: I've been doing this for years now and if it gets too much there's always /ignore
[05:20] <satempler> thoreauputic: ya I know but what if /they/ need help
[05:20] <thoreauputic> satempler: it's about patience, really
[05:21] <thoreauputic> satempler: annoying I know
[05:21] <satempler> I am not trying to be an a**hole here like he referd
[05:21] <satempler> but first i come in here and the first response using uboto instead of a human
[05:22] <satempler> uboto should be used to help you not to repeat your self
[05:22] <thoreauputic> satempler: umm - what is wrong with that if the information is helpful?
[05:22] <satempler> thoreauputic: it wasn't helpful
[05:23] <thoreauputic> satempler: *sigh* - we are volunteers - if you aren't happy with our efforts, I'm sorry
[05:23] <satempler> thoreauputic: he didn't try to undersand the problem didn't ask what I was trying to do or any thing
[05:23] <thoreauputic> satempler: let it go - this is going in circles
[05:23] <satempler> he read ****java*****install**** and blanked out on every thing else
[05:24] <thoreauputic>  !enough
[05:24] <ubotu> thoreauputic: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:24] <|brad|> so uhm you guys dont happen to have 64bit chips do ya?
[05:24] <satempler> hey I have let it go
[05:24] <satempler> i was talking to some one else thoreauputic and you said my name so I resonded
[05:24] <satempler> responded
[05:26] <satempler> I try to help out here as well so.... but I rarly use ubotu I don't like robots for help on the phone so I tend to walk people thorough if they need it
[05:26] <chavo> satempler, we're not all gods like you
[05:28] <satempler> chavo: I am not a god I am just a people person I guess. But I clam no god ship of any kind I have been using Linux in genral for quite some time but I still can't navigate vi worth a darn
[05:28] <chavo> are you drunk?
[05:28] <chavo> I am not a baretender
[05:29] <satempler> but I try to help and give good support but when I need help I get crap
[05:29] <chavo> satempler, you get waht you put in man
[05:29] <satempler> chavo if you don't want to hear it STOP SAYING MY NAME
[05:29] <crimsun> err, let's leave this crap outside, 'k?
[05:31] <satempler> chavo: are you trying to pick a fight with me because you are board or what
[05:31] <satempler> I am not here for your entertainment
[05:31] <thoreauputic> satempler: drop it now or you will be silenced -  fair warning
[05:31] <satempler> thoreauputic: I have droped it
[05:32] <satempler> thoreauputic: several times and chavo brought it up
[05:32] <thoreauputic> satempler: that will be removed in a minute - and I don't want to hear any more about it
[05:35] <orient2000> There is a new release of ubuntu coming soon. Do I have to reinstall everything or just keep updating?
[05:36] <thoreauputic> !upgrade
[05:36] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[05:36] <orient2000> Thanks.
[05:36] <thoreauputic> orient2000: you can just do the upgrade
[05:36] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:37] <shulman> I just installed the latest version of kubuntu and I can't get MP3s to play.  I tried following the FAQ, but the gstreamer codec seems to be installed already
[05:38] <Bilford> did you doo   sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:38] <shulman> trying that now
[05:39] <shulman> it couldn't find the package
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> shulman: if you are using the "latest version" being dapper, that FAQ regarding gstreamer doesn't apply, dapper uses xine.
[05:39] <Bilford> ok, then you have to do this
[05:39] <Bilford> I assume youve enabled multiverse already
[05:40] <shulman> bilford: I think I have, but I've just installed kubuntu -- I'm formally a mepis user.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell shulman about repos
[05:40] <Bilford> alt+f2  adept
[05:41] <Bilford> I know exactly how to fix your problem
[05:41] <Bilford> after you open adept, go to Adept - Manage Repositories
[05:42] <shulman> ok..
[05:43] <Bilford> did you right click and enable all of them
[05:43] <Bilford> you have to do one more thing
[05:43] <gil> hello...can someone tell me why i cant choose the Intel915 video driver in kcontrol??
[05:44] <orient2000> unable deb and deb-scr?
[05:44] <orient2000> I do folow you to
[05:44] <Bilford> me?
[05:44] <orient2000> Yes I need mp3 to work too
[05:44] <Bilford> theres 8
[05:44] <chavo> orient2000, you only need deb-src if you're going to compile them
[05:45] <Bilford> look on the right side
[05:45] <Bilford> enable all the ones that have something in the Distribution/Components column
[05:45] <orient2000> there is dapper dapper updates and dapper security
[05:45] <Bilford> dont worry about that one
[05:46] <shulman> bilford, I've enabled the repositories
[05:46] <Bilford> see where it says Universe after some of them
[05:46] <Bilford> you have to double click those and add Multiverse after it too
[05:46] <Bilford> so it says:  universe multiverse
[05:46] <Bilford> you have to type it in
[05:47] <Bilford> When youre done, click Apply
[05:48] <Bilford> then click , at the top ,  Fetch Updates
[05:48] <Bilford> then go back to the terminal and do    sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[05:48] <Bilford> and youre done
[05:48] <satempler> am I still baned
[05:50] <shulman> bilform- I'm not seeing libxine-extracodecs -- would you like me to pastebin my apt sources list?
[05:50] <Bilford> yes
[05:51] <Bilford> did you follow every step above
[05:51] <paulb> is there a special channel for ubuntu server?
[05:52] <Bilford> oh, I see the problem
[05:52] <Bilford> you cant edit sources  in Adept, apparnetly
[05:52] <shulman> bilford - http://pastebin.com/744134
[05:52] <|brad|> Bilford: yea i had a hell of a time with that too had to edit the file manually
[05:52] <Bilford> oh, yes you can
[05:53] <Bilford> shulman, you have a few that dont have multiverse after universe
[05:53] <Bilford> lines 30
[05:53] <Bilford> you have to type in multiverse after universe
[05:54] <shulman> bilford -- line 30 has multiverse in it
[05:54] <Bilford> You can edit it in Adept, just hit Enter after making the change
[05:54] <Bilford> oh sorry
[05:54] <|brad|> Bilford: i thought thats what i was doing... dunno
[05:55] <Bilford> ok, did you click Fetch Updates
[05:55] <shulman> the only ones I didn't do were the ones that didnt have universe at all
[05:55] <Bilford> right
[05:55] <Bilford> your source is good
[05:56] <Bilford> ok, in the terminal, try this first:   sudo apt-get update
[05:56] <Bilford> then do the libxine thing
[05:56] <shulman> I did do a fetch updates, just ran it again with no luck
[05:56] <shulman> k
[05:57] <shulman> still no luck
[05:58] <Bilford> are they enabled too
[05:58] <Bilford> are they black instead of gray
[05:58] <shulman> bilford - I'm not sure what you mean?
[05:59] <Bilford> in Adept Repositories source list,, you have to right-click and enable each one
[05:59] <tim___> I can't install kdevelop
[05:59] <Bilford> so it's not grayed out
[05:59] <shulman> yes, they're all enabled
[06:01] <Bilford> I dont understand why it's not working.  I did a fresh new install today
[06:01] <Bilford> and did exactly that
[06:01] <orient2000> I did everything properly but it says "libxine-extracodecs is not available"
[06:02] <tim___> How do I get package keys?
[06:02] <r0xz> hey guys, can some of check if he/she has the same error message when hitting the quick start dialog in quanta?
[06:03] <r0xz> http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1844/quantabadx6qb.jpg (sorry, i couldn't c&p)
[06:03] <shulman> where is alsaconf usually located?
[06:04] <Bilford> you shouldnt have to do anything weird
[06:05] <Bilford> just enable, add multiverse,  refetch the list, and libxine
[06:05] <Bilford> dont mess with configs
[06:05] <Bilford> Does anyone here have any ideas why it's not working??
[06:06] <orient2000> I did sudo apt-get update and no libxine...available
[06:07] <Bilford> !mp3
[06:07] <ubotu> I heard mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:07] <Bilford> I did a fresh install, and did those 4 steps without messing with anything else and it worked
[06:07] <Bilford> brand new install
[06:07] <Bilford> so I have no clue whats wrong
[06:08] <Bilford> IS anyone here that can help???
[06:08] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:10] <shulman> I think I downloaded the latest stable release, and you got the latest testing release
[06:10] <orient2000> maybe server is down?...
[06:10] <Bilford> did you get a Release Candidate
[06:10] <Bilford> or the really old Flight 7
[06:10] <Bilford> either way, it should work
[06:11] <shulman> how can I tell what version I have?
[06:11] <Bilford> it should work
[06:11] <Bilford> let me look at your sources again
[06:12] <Bilford> Ohhh
[06:12] <Bilford> wow
[06:12] <Bilford> you have Breezy Badger
[06:13] <Bilford> sorry
[06:13] <Bilford> do this
[06:13] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:14] <Bilford> sorry
[06:14] <Bilford> that should work
[06:14] <shulman> do I need to restart my sound card
[06:14] <Bilford> did it install
[06:14] <shulman> yes, it appears to have
[06:15] <Bilford> I guess log out
[06:17] <shulman> perfect... this is working now :-)
[06:17] <tata> hi all
[06:17] <Bilford> cool
[06:18] <Rigonatti> hi there
[06:18] <Rigonatti> can someone lend me a help ?
[06:19] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: What seems to be the trouble?
[06:20] <Rigonatti> well.... in true.. two.
[06:20] <Rigonatti> first of all: mysound card
[06:20] <sto6ma9ch> No sound?
[06:20] <Rigonatti> the other is ... how can u set up linux <-> crossover<-> Windows <-> Broadband connection
[06:20] <Rigonatti> no ....give me a error right on kde start
[06:21] <orient2000> libxine-extracodecs is not in a list so I did manually libxine-main1, -dev and got some more extra files. I do have library then. What do I do now? Should I compile something?
[06:21] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: What does the error message say?
[06:21] <Rigonatti> hold
[06:22] <Rigonatti> i need to find a sound =.
[06:22] <Bilford> orient2000, are you using Dapper or Breezy
[06:22] <Rigonatti> but i think is something like ..could not load (or find) sound card
[06:22] <orient2000> Dapper
[06:22] <shulman> the next question I have should be pretty easy... how do I upgrade firefox to the latest version? the version installed is 1.0.8 and 1.5x isn't on the the repositories
[06:23] <Bilford> orient2000, pastebin your sources list
[06:23] <sto6ma9ch> Ringonatti: Let's start by identifying the chipset on your sound card. Do you know that?
[06:23] <Bilford> shulman, well... you just installed?
[06:23] <Rigonatti> its a onboard intel ...i think ..its a centrino laptop ...
[06:23] <Bilford> because the next version of Ubuntu is going to be released in 2 days lol
[06:24] <Rigonatti> ccan i check in KDE ? just to make sure ?
[06:24] <shulman> figures
[06:24] <Bilford> if it's a fresh install, you can either:  update to Dapper (which already had latest FF)
[06:24] <Bilford> or download the latest Dapper and do a fresh install
[06:24] <shulman> I did it today because I figured I'd have the weekend to learn it. I can just reinstall next weekend when the new version is out and poke around then
[06:25] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch ?
[06:25] <Bilford> shulman, you can download the latest build now if you want
[06:25] <Bilford> its basically the final product
[06:26] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Try opening "System Settings". Then go to "Sound & Multimedia". There should be a "Hardware" tab. Let us know what's listed as the detected hardware device.
[06:26] <shulman> should I just completely wipe the partitions and reinstall or is there an update option?
[06:26] <Bilford> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/daily-live/current/
[06:26] <Bilford> You can update
[06:27] <Bilford> I prefer fresh installs, but you can update if you want
[06:27] <Rigonatti> Select Audio  device is: auto select
[06:27] <shulman> Since I just installed this one, will it make a difference?
[06:27] <shulman> That URL doesn't work...
[06:28] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Good. Let's see if the proper kernel module was loaded.
[06:28] <Rigonatti> ok
[06:28] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Open a command prompt and type "lsmod | grep intel"
[06:29] <Bilford> weird
[06:29] <Rigonatti> done.
[06:29] <Bilford> the site just went down
[06:29] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch  done
[06:29] <sto6ma9ch> Did you find anything listed that indicates an Intel sound module?
[06:30] <Rigonatti> nope...but after de command ..nothings happens
[06:30] <Bilford> shulman, I think it went down because theyre uploading the latest daily build
[06:30] <Rigonatti> I mean  Kmenu -> Run -> lsmod | grep intel right ?
[06:30] <shulman> k... I'll give it another shot at 0100EST or so
[06:31] <Bilford> no, the whole site is down  wtf
[06:31] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: That may be the issue. We'll need to find out what the sound card's chipset is in order to tell Linux what kernel module to load.
[06:31] <Rigonatti> ok...how can i Find it ..?
[06:31] <orient2000> not sure if I did ir right http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1844/quantabadx6qb.jpg
[06:32] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Is the sound card integrated to the motherboard or is it a PCI device?
[06:32] <Rigonatti> nope...is integrated...its a Laptop
[06:32] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Er, sorry. What's the laptop? Make + model?
[06:33] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch  its a Itautec....BRazilian Made...I dont know if you know
[06:33] <Bilford> shulman, http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/
[06:33] <Rigonatti> but..some application should identify my hardware right ?
[06:34] <Rigonatti> i mean ....its onboard...and if is a centrino the chipset should be intel, consequently the sound chip too.
[06:34] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Hang on a minute while I do some Googling ...
[06:34] <Rigonatti> txs =D
[06:39] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: I found some specs that may help us out. What's the Itautec model of your laptop?
[06:39] <Rigonatti> m5410
[06:40] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Thanks. Uno momento ...
[06:40] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch  take a look :  http://developer.novell.com/yes/70202.htm
[06:40] <shulman> BIlford: I'm downloading the ISO now... I just need to install xine-extracodecs once I reinstall?
[06:41] <sto6ma9ch> {That was exactly the same pageI was looking at. Weird.}
[06:41] <Bilford> shulman, you have to enable the ones first, then add multiverse, then update first
[06:42] <Rigonatti> sto6ma9ch   look that , check the sound card item ::  http://www.commoner.com/~lsimon/AsusM3N.html
[06:42] <Bilford> shulman, but yes, only libxine
[06:42] <Rigonatti>  00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB AC'97 Audio (rev 03)
[06:42] <Rigonatti>  Works wonderfully with snd-intel8x0 from ALSA and the i810_audio module also loads and unloads just fine, though I'm sticking with the ALSA one
[06:43] <Bilford> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:44] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: I'm looking at somebody's compatibility testing here http://www.linuxtested.com/results/InfoWay_Note_Wireless_M5410.html
[06:47] <sto6ma9ch> Rigonatti: Does sound currently work with ALSA?
[06:47] <Rigonatti> yep...I see....the  Audio Chipset / Sound Card    Intel 82801DB AC 97
[06:47] <Rigonatti> ALSA ? well ....if is the default.... nope.
[06:47] <Rigonatti> i really dont know how to check
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Rigonatti: i have that card as well - what's the discussion about?
[06:51] <Rigonatti> Hobbsee Hi ...didint work with kubuntu breezer
[06:51] <sto6ma9ch> Hobbsee: Trying to help get sound to work on Rigonatti's laptop. What's the name of the kernel module that you use?
[06:51] <Hobbsee> not a clue
[06:51] <Hobbsee> Rigonatti: open kmix up
[06:52] <Rigonatti> "device /dev/dsp cant be opened"  (No such file or directory)
[06:52] <Rigonatti> Hobbsee .. Im a newbie in Linux ...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...so it's really rotten...
[06:52] <Hobbsee> Rigonatti: does "alsamixer" give you the same message?
[06:52] <Rigonatti> i c...open the sound mixer
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:53] <Rigonatti> ok....so ?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> there's a control there, i think in the input section, for "headphone jack sense"  and "line jack sense"
[06:53] <Hobbsee> mute both of them.
[06:53] <Rigonatti> Suported Sound Driver: ALSA+OSS
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Actual Sound drivers : ALSAOSS
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Experimental Multiple-Driver mdoe activated
[06:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: around?
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Show me no controls in kmix
[06:54] <Rigonatti> Mixer is empty ..
[06:55] <Rigonatti> and have no volume controls of any kind
[06:55] <Hobbsee> ack.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> that probably means your sound is more screwed than mine was...
[06:55] <Rigonatti> and in System settings is Auto detect
[06:55] <crimsun> pastebin ``lspci -v && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[06:56] <Rigonatti> the ALSA+OSS its the same of ALSAOSS ??
[06:56] <crimsun> what is that from?
[06:57] <Rigonatti> me?
[06:57] <crimsun> yes
[06:57] <crimsun> I also need that pastebin output
[06:57] <Rigonatti> I dont get sound ...  =(
[06:57] <crimsun> I can't do anything until you pastebin that information.
[06:58] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: Im not a expert ...why do u mean with pastebin ?
[06:59] <crimsun> !paste
[06:59] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[06:59] <Rigonatti> crimsum:: lets start again!
[07:00] <Rigonatti> you need me to type that comand at terminal ...then paste the rsults here ?
[07:00] <crimsun> not here, on pastebin
[07:00] <Rigonatti> k
[07:02] <Rigonatti> got it ...now ..where is the pastebin ? =.
[07:04] <Rigonatti> crimsun ::  check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14815
[07:04] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:05] <Rigonatti> crimsun :: Got it ?
[07:05] <riri> Hi all
[07:05] <crimsun> Rigonatti: that's missing most of the output I requested.
[07:06] <crimsun> ``lspci -v''
[07:06] <Rigonatti> u need multimedia controller ?
[07:06] <crimsun> yes
[07:06] <crimsun> (actually I need all of lspci -v, which is why I ask for it)
[07:06] <riri> scim/kscim doesn't work properly in kde3.5.2
[07:07] <Rigonatti> hold
[07:07] <riri> chinese pictogramms aren't well display
[07:07] <riri> but on gaim they are well displayed
[07:07] <crimsun> riri: you need to be running current Dapper (i.e., update && upgrade now)
[07:08] <riri> i am current dapper
[07:08] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14816
[07:08] <riri> true ! sorry i am not !
[07:08] <riri> last night i was
[07:08] <riri> so adept is doing it now
[07:09] <crimsun> Rigonatti: ``lsmod''
[07:09] <riri> cri: do you mean it's corrected ?
[07:09] <Rigonatti> pastebin again ?
[07:10] <crimsun> Rigonatti: yes
[07:10] <Bilford> !mp3
[07:10] <ubotu> I guess mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:11] <crimsun> riri: possibly
[07:11] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14817
[07:11] <nixternal> Cannot start krita: no colorspaces available
[07:13] <crimsun> Rigonatti: did you happen to load i810_audio at anytime prior?
[07:13] <riri> my son has to delete is freshly kubuntu : after installing and removing vmware
[07:13] <riri> can't reinstalled it !
[07:14] <riri> like if "root" had even no more right ?
[07:14] <riri> we aren't use with sudo
[07:14] <riri> but i use it with kubuntu and have no problem
[07:15] <riri> i am really feeling ashamed ! lol
[07:15] <Bilford> how do I get mplayer to play RealAudio again
[07:15] <riri> i convinced him to come to kubuntu and leave that rubbish "ms" devil culture
[07:16] <Bilford> are you using a CD
[07:16] <riri> but now in two days he will have to partition again
[07:16] <Rigonatti> crimsun ?
[07:16] <riri> nixt : im : are you around ?
[07:16] <crimsun> Rigonatti: I'm awaiting an answer to the question I asked
[07:16] <nixternal> physically yes...mentall no
[07:16] <nixternal> hehe
[07:16] <riri> our savers ?lol
[07:17] <riri> sorry
[07:17] <riri> i don't want to disturb you :)
[07:17] <riri> apologize
[07:17] <nixternal> no no
[07:17] <Rigonatti> sorry ..i didnt see... no..i didnt ..i just installed kubuntu ....
[07:17] <nixternal> im not doing anything
[07:17] <nixternal> im just a lil e.tarded tonight
[07:17] <nixternal> whats up buddy?
[07:18] <riri> yes i am fresh here i wake up
[07:18] <riri> my laopo (wife) is still sleeping
[07:18] <nixternal> lol
[07:18] <riri> so : what can i do ?
[07:18] <riri> for my son ?
[07:18] <crimsun> Rigonatti: ``dmesg''
[07:18] <riri> he is not leaving with me;..
[07:19] <riri> format ?
[07:19] <nixternal> what happened?
[07:19] <riri> he installed vmware
[07:19] <riri> and xp inside
[07:19] <riri> but he has a bullshit p4
[07:19] <riri> with my athlon no problem
[07:19] <nixternal> i have a crappy xp2000+ and i do it with no prob
[07:19] <nixternal> hehe
[07:19] <riri> winlsd
[07:20] <riri> me too ! lol
[07:20] <riri> but when he will understand this
[07:20] <riri> i will have nothing more to teach him ! lol
[07:20] <Rigonatti> crimsun::  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14819
[07:20] <riri> so up to now he is convinced to move on kubuntu
[07:21] <riri> his winlsd installation didn't detect his p4
[07:21] <riri> so i told him delete the thing !
[07:21] <riri> big error of mine
[07:21] <riri> now he can't reinstall anything from vmware !
[07:21] <riri> i did it many times on my athlon
[07:22] <riri> crappy as yours ! lol
[07:22] <nixternal> hehe
[07:22] <riri> so i told him reinstall
[07:22] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:22] <riri> but last night was late he maybe do it only today
[07:22] <crimsun> Rigonatti: can you reboot with "pci=noacpi" please?
[07:23] <riri> i have 8h to find other solution...
[07:23] <nixternal> tell him to wipe everything and reinstall...and tell him that kubuntu is alergic to windows..so that is the problem ;)
[07:23] <riri> i read on forums that's happened to other too...
[07:23] <Rigonatti> ok...hold a sec
[07:23] <riri> lol
[07:24] <riri> with me no problem...
[07:24] <nixternal> so was he booting into kubuntu...then using vmware to launch windows?  or the other way around?
[07:24] <riri> winlsd 3.5 (xp special) lol
[07:24] <riri> works even quicker in emulation
[07:24] <riri> booting in kub with vmware for lsd
[07:25] <nixternal> hmm
[07:25] <riri> never run kub in xp ! lol
[07:25] <nixternal> kubuntu is still working right?
[07:25] <riri> yes
[07:25] <Bilford> tj9991, what are you doing about your storage problem besides waiting for something magical to happen
[07:25] <nixternal> for testing though
[07:25] <nixternal> software
[07:25] <Rigonatti> crimsun:: pci=noacpi ??
[07:25] <riri> only he can't reinstall vmware : can't copy file
[07:25] <crimsun> Rigonatti: yes. Append it to your kernel command line in grub.
[07:25] <Rigonatti> ok....I'll try
[07:26] <nixternal> can he reinstall vmware?
[07:26] <riri> it's like if there is no right to do this... or a cache somewhere maybe ?
[07:26] <riri> no
[07:26] <riri> that's the problem
[07:26] <riri> even not vmplaye !
[07:26] <riri> so he is not completly kub addict
[07:26] <riri> needs few months more ! lol
[07:27] <riri> don't worry
[07:27] <Bilford> tj9991, tell them to unban me
[07:27] <riri> at least he will learn how to install kub ! lol
[07:27] <nixternal> haha
[07:27] <nixternal> ya
[07:27] <nixternal> it is easier then winblows to install...and quicker
[07:27] <riri> yes
[07:28] <riri> i am since few day on kub and have no problem don't miss xp bullshit at all ! lol
[07:28] <nixternal> ya...kubuntu is really nice...i have yet to have any problems
[07:29] <riri> with mandriva i couldn't get kde 3.5.2 upgraded
[07:29] <riri> that's why i made the step !
[07:29] <Bilford> tj9991, tell them to unban me
[07:29] <riri> i guess their new politic is like ms :) lol
[07:29] <Hobbsee> Bilford: who's banned you where?
[07:29] <Bilford> another channel
[07:29] <Bilford> I cant use PM here
[07:30] <Bilford> oh wait
[07:30] <Bilford> I think this name is regged
[07:30] <Hobbsee> Bilford: identify yourself, then you can
[07:30] <riri> haoma
[07:30] <nixternal> whoa
[07:30] <nixternal> what is that character?
[07:30] <riri> always the same problem with chinese pictogramms
[07:31] <nixternal> i see it
[07:31] <nixternal> it looks kinda cool
[07:31] <riri> scim
[07:31] <riri> nixt
[07:31] <nixternal> ya
[07:31] <riri> ni hao ma
[07:31] <riri> a va ?
[07:31] <riri> lol
[07:31] <riri> 
[07:31] <nixternal> you lost me there...but i have a wierd font i havn't seen b4
[07:31] <nixternal> ya
[07:31] <nixternal> there it is again
[07:31] <riri> 
[07:31] <nixternal> looks chinese to me
[07:31] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:32] <riri> i shoule have 3 pictogramms
[07:32] <riri> and not a dot !!
[07:32] <riri> right
[07:32] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:32] <nixternal> i see 2 and a dot
[07:32] <riri> you are a gourou !
[07:32] <Bilford> 
[07:32] <riri> this dot is a bug
[07:32] <monsterism> question on BUMPS, ummm..how do I run the script?
[07:32] <riri> lol
[07:32] <nixternal> ./script.sh
[07:33] <riri> what is script.sh
[07:33] <nixternal> if it is an .sh file
[07:33] <riri> ok
[07:33] <nixternal> monsterism: did you catch that?
[07:33] <monsterism> nixternal: so in terminal: sudo ./bumps.sh
[07:33] <riri> so we are in a big shit
[07:33] <nixternal> if it is called bumps.sh then yes
[07:33] <monsterism> ty, I'll try that now
[07:33] <nixternal> k
[07:34] <riri> bumps
[07:34] <riri> yes
[07:34] <riri> it's a scripts
[07:34] <monsterism> didn't work
[07:34] <riri> it didn't work for me
[07:34] <riri> lol
[07:34] <riri> for me neither :)
[07:34] <monsterism> riri, you had same problem huh?
[07:34] <nixternal> what is the name of the script your are trying to run?
[07:34] <nixternal> sudo ./bump
[07:34] <riri> yes i wanted to use it too
[07:34] <nixternal> is the actual script file name bump
[07:35] <riri> bump or bumps ?
[07:35] <monsterism> bumps
[07:35] <riri> so sh bumps.sh
[07:35] <monsterism> just tried it sudo ./bumps, stopped at zenity
[07:35] <riri> but i try to run it too
[07:35] <nixternal> i dont' know what bumps is
[07:35] <riri> i don't remember why i used it ?
[07:35] <nixternal> i will hvae to look at it
[07:35] <riri> i found it on forum
[07:36] <monsterism> bumps is similar to automatrix, but ready for dapper
[07:36] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:36] <nixternal> oh ya
[07:36] <nixternal> i know what you are talkinga bout
[07:36] <nixternal> it didn't work for me either when i tried it
[07:36] <riri> easykubuntu ?
[07:36] <nixternal> similar
[07:36] <nixternal> automatix was for breezy and bumps was for dapper
[07:36] <riri> same problem here with it :)
[07:36] <nixternal> bumps didn't work for me at all
[07:36] <monsterism> sorry, I'm so out of the loop, i've been using vectorlinux based on slackware
[07:37] <nixternal> never tried the vectorlinux out
[07:37] <riri> don't be
[07:37] <riri> i came on kub 5 days ago
[07:37] <sto6ma9ch> I really liked Vector. Even thought of switching.
[07:37] <nixternal> i stopped with slackware because the community got a little wierd
[07:37] <riri> i used to fear deb
[07:37] <riri> lol
[07:37] <riri> so are many !)
[07:37] <monsterism> i recommend it for a little slower system like 5+ years, works smoother than ubuntu
[07:37] <riri> big heads
[07:37] <stevekl> Is it possible to remotely (via ssh) switch the display of a machine off?
[07:38] <riri> but i think kub has solved most of my problem for using xp
[07:38] <riri> and here the channel is "gourou" ! lol
[07:38] <nixternal> monsterism: have you tried xubuntu?  it is similar..uses xfce...i use it on an older system..not to shabby actually
[07:39] <riri> i tried the french one .. no answer ?
[07:39] <nixternal> xfce though i could do without..but it works for speed on an older system
[07:39] <rigonatti> crimsun ?
[07:39] <monsterism> yes, used xub on my old laptop
[07:39] <rigonatti> well... i press esc to enter the GRUB menu ...
[07:39] <monsterism> actually still using xub on my old laptop
[07:39] <crimsun> rigonatti: ?
[07:40] <rigonatti> crimsun then ..show me some lines... the last  one is "boot"  . I put pci=noacpi after that (without quotes)
[07:40] <riri> by the way how can i get read of an old  mandrive on hdb ?
[07:40] <Bilford> is Xubuntu much faster?
[07:40] <monsterism> but vector was great for my other laptop that was 3 years old, while ubuntu used a little more resources
[07:40] <rigonatti> crimsun:  then ..show me some lines... the last  one is "boot"  . I put pci=noacpi after that (without quotes)
[07:41] <monsterism> xubuntu imho is faster for older machines
[07:41] <Bilford> or would only tech people notice the difference in speed
[07:41] <crimsun> rigonatti: it looks something similar to your /proc/cmdline
[07:41] <crimsun> rigonatti: e.g., root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet splash pci=noacpi
[07:41] <riri> i marked in menu.ld (i think) the line of it #
[07:41] <monsterism> ran fine on 196 megs, 800 mhz celeron
[07:41] <riri> and still they are in grub ?
[07:41] <Bilford> Kubuntu runs fine on an 767 mhz laptop
[07:42] <riri> have I to delete the line not letting comment ?
[07:42] <rigonatti> crimsun: so ..i have to put all this line ...before the "boot" line in GRB ?
[07:42] <crimsun> rigonatti: no.
[07:43] <rigonatti> =. sorry ..i didnt get it.
[07:43] <crimsun> rigonatti: at the grub menu, you should have a list of kernels. Choose your normal one, then press 'e' to edit it.
[07:43] <crimsun> rigonatti: then scroll down to the kernel line (should be the second one), and edit that one to append " pci=noacpi", then press Enter and 'b' to boot
[07:44] <crimsun> I'm off work now; I'll be back online in 25 minutes.
[07:44] <rigonatti> with or withou quotes ?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> rigonatti: without quotes, i would think
[07:46] <rigonatti> ok
[07:46] <rigonatti> i will see
[07:46] <rigonatti> hold
[07:49] <rema43001> how I play mpg, wmv in kaffeine?
[07:51] <rigonatti> crimsun: ?
[07:51] <rema43001> how I play mpg, wmv in kaffeine?
[07:51] <MAJ> lol dang all u guys on kubuntu
[07:51] <rigonatti> well...have another option (acpi=off) in that line ...I used to install the system, without them...install crash.
[07:52] <rigonatti> and I put Pci=noacpi......what now ?
[07:55] <rigonatti> crimsun:  are you there ?
[08:02] <drix> Hi, I have ubuntu and am looking to switch to Ubuntu, and I've read the FAQ
[08:02] <drix> I'm using Breezy
[08:02] <drix> and when I do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[08:02] <drix> it tells me it can't find the package
[08:02] <drix> Does anyone know why?
[08:02] <steven_> drix do you have all the repositories unlocked?
[08:03] <drix> and my first line was a type, I meant to say I want to switch to KDE, not ubuntu
[08:03] <drix> steven_, I opened Synaptic and opened all the ones listed
[08:03] <pyrobob> quick question. I am logged into Kubnuntu, and I need to mount a slave HDD from here, but I don't know how
[08:03] <drix> I assumed that did it for apt-get as well
[08:03] <pyrobob> a friend walked me through it earlier, but my computer froze and re-booted and I lost the mount
[08:04] <pyrobob> and it won't let me mount now. I try sudo mount/media/hdd1 and it telle me somthing about fstab
[08:04] <pyrobob> tells*
[08:04] <steven_> drix>Ok how bout you try going to http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:05] <noiesmo> sudo mount /dev/hdxx /media/hdd1 you may also need -t after mount
[08:05] <steven_> then use that do generate a source.list and try using your new list to update to kubuntu kde desktop.
[08:05] <pyrobob> k lemme try that
[08:05] <noiesmo> pyrobob, is it mtfs or ext3 partition
[08:05] <pyrobob> moiesmo: FAT32
[08:05] <pyrobob> noiesmo*
[08:06] <rigonatti> crimsun ???
[08:06] <drix> steven_, I just opened /etc/apt/sources.list and uncommented everything
[08:06] <steven_> drix, you still there?
[08:07] <drix> I will try creating a new source if this fails
[08:07] <steven_> yeah, that should do it
[08:07] <noiesmo> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdxx /media/hdd1 replace xxx with device
[08:08] <steven_> Tell me if that works drix.
[08:09] <pyrobob> noiesmo: says somthing about "according to mtab, /dev/hdde is already mounted on /media/hdd1
[08:09] <pyrobob> yet I can't acess it
[08:09] <rigonatti> can someone help with my sound card ?
[08:09] <drix> steven_, updating packages, I'll keep you posted
[08:09] <steven_> Ok.
[08:09] <drix> k it is working
[08:10] <drix> I just had to open all repositories
[08:10] <steven_> Awesome.
[08:10] <drix> now, to get rid of the GNOME ones once I'm in KDE
[08:10] <drix> same process?
[08:10] <drix> just
[08:10] <drix> apt-get remove GNOME
[08:10] <drix> or something?
[08:10] <steven_> I left the repositories the same, once I updated to Kubuntu dapper.
[08:10] <drix> By the way, thanks steven_ for the help
[08:10] <drix> Is Dapper fully available, or is it still in beta?
[08:10] <drumline_> has anyone here connected to a Sonicwall via VPN with Kubuntu?
[08:10] <steven_> It hasn't cause any troubles, since KDE is now set as the default instead of GDE
[08:11] <drumline_> Beta, as far as I know..
[08:11] <rigonatti> can someone help with my sound card ?  =. crimsun left me ='(
[08:11] <drumline_> drix: check distrowatch.com...   excellent resourec
[08:11] <drix> thanks drumline_ I will
[08:11] <noiesmo> pyrobob, ok try type su it should ask for password enter yours then do cd /media/hdd1
[08:11] <drix> Ha, I have work in 9 hours
[08:11] <drix> should get some sleep
[08:12] <drix> thanks for all the help
[08:12] <pyrobob> noiesmo, allright
[08:12] <macd> aticonfig: error while loading shared libraries: libfglrx_pp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:12] <macd> do I need the xserver-sorg-fglrx ?
[08:12] <pyrobob> noiesmo, there we go
[08:12] <pyrobob> its working now
[08:12] <pyrobob> is there a way I can keep it mounted?
[08:12] <noiesmo> pyrobob, yes but you are root do you want normal user to access this area
[08:13] <pyrobob> yes
[08:13] <noiesmo> pyrobob, on my site is a howto for fat32 access check it out http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060425235826649
[08:14] <pyrobob> noiesmo, allright
[08:15] <pyrobob> meh, its 1 AM and im tired. I'll bookmark and continue with this later, I guess
[08:15] <pyrobob> sometime when i can actually process what I am doing
[08:15] <drumline_> Sonicwall VPN anyone?
[08:15] <pyrobob> but thanks for the help, noiesmo
[08:15] <noiesmo> pyrobob, np
[08:16] <MasterEvilAce> KUUBUNNNTUUUU!!!
[08:20] <rigonatti> can someone help with my sound card ?
[08:21] <noiesmo> !ask
[08:21] <ubotu> For information on how to ask good questions please see http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html The more information you can give the better we can help you. If your going to give output of commands please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[08:22] <MasterEvilAce> what's best VM software for windows? so i can use kubuntu through windows
[08:26] <erofee> hi all
[08:26] <erofee> can anyone help me with a problem with kaffeine?
[08:26] <PyroMithrandir> depends on the problem
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, it's a trap, see, they ask that to make sure someone is around
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> and then they give the impossible question
[08:27] <noiesmo> ha ha
[08:27] <PyroMithrandir> and you can't not say anything ;)
[08:27] <erofee> basically, i just can't get anything to play.  i might mention that i am very new to linux/KDE
[08:27] <MasterEvilAce> What's DIFF between Compiz and XGL?
[08:28] <Hobbsee> erofee: dvd's?
[08:28] <erofee> just a video clip.  .mpg
[08:28] <noiesmo> !tell erofee about restricted
[08:28] <Hobbsee> noiesmo: PyroMithrandir there's a factoid for that, you know :P
[08:28] <PyroMithrandir> Hobbsee, is there?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> !helpme
[08:29] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[08:29] <macd> aticonfig: error while loading shared libraries: libfglrx_pp.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory    anyone have any idea? the forums have one reference, unanswered
[08:29] <Hobbsee> PyroMithrandir: ^
[08:29] <PyroMithrandir> :)
[08:29] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, well compiz is window manager and XGL is a X server
[08:29] <erofee> thanks, i'll have a read
[08:29] <MasterEvilAce> so compiz is like kde/gnome/
[08:29] <PyroMithrandir> not quite
[08:30] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, not really but it controls things
[08:30] <PyroMithrandir> kde and gnome are desktop environments
[08:30] <PyroMithrandir> they each have window managers, but they aren't themselves
[08:30] <Hobbsee> macd: it's in xorg-driver-fglrx
[08:30] <macd> which is installed.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> macd: see packages.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <Hobbsee> ie, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libfglrx_pp.so.1&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hmm...odd
[08:30] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, you cannot have eye candy without both compiz and xgl and its best on dapper see #ubuntu-xgl
[08:30] <macd> no dapper for me, I just reinstalled breezy
[08:31] <macd> wifi and ati broken in dapper never to work :P
[08:31] <MasterEvilAce> noviesmo: okay, that makes sense. I always see people talking about compiz and xgl together... so basically KDE+Compiz+XGL?
[08:31] <noiesmo> MasterEvilAce, yep
[08:31] <macd> Hobbsee: any other suggestions?
[08:31] <MasterEvilAce> awesome, thanks
[08:31] <Hobbsee> macd: not a clue.  what's the wifi card?
[08:32] <macd> it works fine in breezy.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> what model?
[08:32] <macd> proxim silver, atheros 5211
[08:32] <PyroMithrandir> have they got xgl/compiz eye candy working well with KDE yet? last I tried it it didn't really seem integrated with KDE
[08:32] <PyroMithrandir> I mean, I had to run gnome-window-manager
[08:32] <PyroMithrandir> and all 4 of my desktops had the same background :(
[08:33] <noiesmo> yes have compiz xgl with kde but only with gnome-window-manager kde support not very good mainly gnome developers pushing xglcompiz
[08:33] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, my screenshots http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/mediagallery/album.php?aid=1
[08:33] <macd> Im really getting to the point I want to toss this thing out the window....
[08:34] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, yeah but wobbly windows rain water very sexy my eye;s love it hehe
[08:34] <Hobbsee> macd: ask about atheros cards in #ubuntu+1 - i dont know much about them
[08:35] <macd> IT WORKS ;P
[08:35] <Hobbsee> yay
[08:35] <macd> I downgraded from dapper to breezy
[08:35] <PyroMithrandir> oh, yeah, I loved the eye candy, I just like my 4 distinct desktops better :P
[08:35] <macd> works out of the box with breezy, as did ati/fglrx prior to today
[08:35] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, fair enough each to their own :)
[08:37] <macd> I'll just troll all the ubuntu rooms, someone might know ;)
[08:37] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, hey, if it worked nicely with the desktop pager on the kicker, and let me keep a different desktop background on each side of the cube, I'd love it
[08:37] <riri> hi nixt
[08:37] <riri> i just format
[08:38] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, yes I agree with you there the pager was a bit of a bugger but hay cube spins lol
[08:38] <riri> to have a fresh kub ! lol
[08:38] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, it can only improve
[08:38] <nixternal> you formated and installed again riri?
[08:38] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, that's my thinking on it. I'll just wait until it's better integrated
[08:38] <riri> yes
[08:38] <riri> to get rid of xp or mandriva contamination
[08:38] <riri> so now i have my two hdd in use
[08:38] <PyroMithrandir> besides, if I want to show off, I still have it installed, I just have to edit some config files :)
[08:38] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, I tend to use it on and off as it has sdl app issues also
[08:39] <PyroMithrandir> I had some issues with XGL and video playback, actually
[08:39] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, love showing it to M$ mates they get all jealous and defence of there M$ installs funny
[08:39] <PyroMithrandir> like, there'd be a diagonal line from one corner to another that would have a couple frames off from one side to the other
[08:40] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, what video card you running
[08:40] <PyroMithrandir> nvidia geforce fx 5500
[08:40] <noiesmo> same here was bit laggy now have 6600gt runs smooth as
[08:40] <blaze> what layout should i choose for my keyboard in the Language Tool in KDE (the one that i choose my language for the keyboard)
[08:40] <blaze> ?
[08:41] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, did you use the quinnstorm repos
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> ah, well, I run a very cheap system :) threw together the whole thing for under $300 a year ago
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, no, I don't think I did
[08:41] <PyroMithrandir> it doesn't ring a bell
[08:42] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, check this site when you wanna play with it again there's info on quinnstorm repos more plugins etc http://compiz.net
[08:43] <drogen> hello?
[08:43] <noiesmo> hello
[08:44] <MasterEvilAce> hello!
[08:44] <farous> can we download the old 2.4 kernel on ubuntu. The matlab program i have refuse to work on the 2.6 kernel
[08:45] <drogen> i have a question.
[08:45] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, cool, I was messing with it like 2 months ago, it was significantly more bleeding edge then :)
[08:45] <noiesmo> farous, you should be able to try sudo apt-cache search kernel-image
[08:45] <drogen> does anyone in here have a Compaq R3000
[08:45] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, very buggy back then still bit buggy now to
[08:45] <noiesmo> no ne drogen
[08:46] <farous> is it in warty then
[08:46] <noiesmo> not me drogen
[08:46] <drogen> crap
[08:46] <noiesmo> farous, not sure did you try open terminal and do sudo apt-cache search kernel-image
[08:47] <noiesmo> farous, most distro's still put 2.4 kernel on install discs
[08:47] <farous> yap
[08:47] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, yeah, I had been on on a trip back to where I used to live in Chicago and a friend of a friend there showed me a video of XGL/Compiz eye candy... I got home a week later, and I just had to have it. I upgraded from breezy to dapper and went though a hell of a lot of trouble
[08:47] <farous> it is not there
[08:47] <PyroMithrandir> it's really got potential, though. impressive
[08:48] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, no the feeling man I spent countless hours on it nearly got me divorced lol
[08:48] <drogen> is there an ubuntu xgl port
[08:48] <farous> there is howto for running xgl on dapper
[08:48] <noiesmo> drogen, go to http://compiz.net all info there on xgl runs on dapper
[08:48] <PyroMithrandir> hehe, noiesmo, you need to know when to stop, man
[08:49] <noiesmo> its so addictive love my linux
[08:50] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, don't like having something beat me either so once start a project gotta get it sorted before happy
[08:51] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, heh, yeah, of course, I'm like that too. after the first day or two I really couldn't give up
[08:52] <noiesmo> PyroMithrandir, :)
[08:53] <PyroMithrandir> noiesmo, I may be exaggerating slightly. I think it only took 2 days ;)
[08:58] <blaze> what layout should i choose for my keyboard in the Language Tool in KDE (the one that i choose my language for the keyboard)
[08:58] <blaze> please help me :)
[08:58] <PyroMithrandir> blaze, depends on your keyboard layout :)
[08:59] <blaze> but i have a laptop
[08:59] <macd> Hobbsee: btw, that missing so, was in /usr/X11R6/lib , linking it to /usr/lib solved problem.
[08:59] <blaze> not included in the list
[08:59] <Hobbsee> macd: ah okay, cool
[08:59] <blaze> would you tell me the standart one?
[08:59] <PyroMithrandir> I'd suggest you pick dvorak, because I like that layout, but you probably want the standard QWERTY whatever it is called
[08:59] <macd> not to restart X....
[08:59] <PyroMithrandir> (don't pick dvorak)
[08:59] <macd> now*
[08:59] <MasterEvilAce> Qwerty is standard keyboard stuff
[09:00] <blaze> PyroMithrandir, :D
[09:00] <blaze> so should i choose generic (101)
[09:01] <blaze> ?
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> what are options
[09:01] <blaze> a lot
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> I think i picked some 104 keyboard
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> i don't remember choices?
[09:01] <blaze> the generics are from 101 to 105
[09:01] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[09:02] <blaze> my problem is
[09:02] <blaze> that the keys for changing the language are not working :(
[09:02] <MasterEvilAce> o_O
[09:04] <zerodni> hey guys i was wondering has anyone got truecrypt installed
[09:04] <PyroMithrandir> I don't
[09:05] <drumline_> truecrypt...  what's that?
[09:05] <drumline_> oh.. nice
[09:05] <drumline_> disk encryption
[09:05] <nixternal`zzz> nite all
[09:06] <zerodni> yeah
[09:06] <drumline_> is truecrypt the standard for such things?
[09:06] <blaze> can somebody help me set my KDE Controle Module?
[09:06] <zerodni> its the best multi platforum solution
[09:07] <crazy_penguin> morning everybody!
[09:07] <zerodni> i can get it working my debian boxes no problem but kubuntu has issues
[09:08] <zerodni> the kernal source for 2.6.12 is missing
[09:08] <noiesmo> zerodni, so why not just apt-get install the kernel-headers or the sorce for the kernel
[09:10] <zerodni> i could use vanilla but i want to use the ones from kubuntu the kernel-headers are in the repostory but not the source for some reson
[09:11] <zerodni> i need the source for truecrypt
[09:13] <zerodni> the funny thing is that truecrypt has a deb for ubuntu but it doenst work with the most uptodate kernel but its easier to install on debian
[09:13] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/744292   No screens found with ATI proprietary driver, am I missing something?
[09:14] <macd> doing a diff b/t the previou xorg.conf and the one after aticonfig has touched shows alot of differences, so IM not sure whats really changed in the name of ati...
[09:23] <Bilford> test
[09:23] <Bilford> am I connected
[09:24] <drumline_> yes you are
[09:24] <Bilford> ty
[09:24] <MasterEvilAce> SUCCESS TEST COMPLETED
[09:24] <MasterEvilAce> or w/e :D
[09:24] <Bilford> lol
[09:24] <MasterEvilAce> installing kubuntu on my main computer via VM
[09:25] <drumline_> VMWare or Xen?
[09:25] <kettenschutz> hey
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> vmware
[09:25] <drumline_> master: on XP?
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> yeah
[09:25] <drumline_> cool...
[09:25] <drumline_> You have a dual core?
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> nope
[09:25] <MasterEvilAce> gonna be laggy? :P
[09:26] <drumline_> little bit..  but it's bearable if you have something more than a 2800
[09:26] <kettenschutz> someone could explain how to create service menus?!i wanted to create a servicemenu for BCHUNK and mount an iso file
[09:26] <drumline_> and can devote the entire memory block to volatile RAM.
[09:27] <drumline_> Master: I recently pitched for a stick of 1GB to bring me close to 2GB... makes a huge difference forcing the guest OS to RAM.
[09:27] <MasterEvilAce> hmm
[09:27] <drumline_> You don't need to allocate much to the guest... I got 1GB because I do more than 1 OS at a time
[09:29] <drumline_> http://wiki.techrepublic.com/twiki/bin/view/Sandbox/TriviaGeekSandbox#Video_Emperor_Palpatine_Worst_bo
[09:29] <drumline_> great for Star Wars fans.
[09:31] <MasterEvilAce> should i let it auto-partition
[09:32] <zerodni> MasterEvilAce, depend on if more than one user will be using the machine
[09:32] <MasterEvilAce> it's over VMWare, andno just me
[09:32] <MasterEvilAce> a VM os won't be able to have any effect on my current one, right?
[09:32] <zerodni> if is vmaware then just let it put in on one part with the swap
[09:32] <zerodni> nope
[09:33] <MasterEvilAce> good
[09:33] <zerodni> the whole dirve is in one file
[09:33] <bary> any1 has a sec?
[09:33] <zerodni> bary whats up
[09:33] <bary> i new in kubuntu. its a matter fact i'am new in linux
[09:34] <zerodni> thats cool
[09:34] <bary> how do i install a aplication from cd
[09:34] <bary> like firefox
[09:34] <zerodni> what kind of cd is it
[09:34] <zerodni> like the ubuntu cd
[09:34] <bary> i've already installed kubundu and that was easy
[09:34] <zerodni> what cd are you useing
[09:34] <bary> now i wanna install firefox
[09:34] <FHX> Hm..
[09:35] <bary> a normal cd
[09:35] <FHX> i'm having trouble with my DHCP configuration so I skipped it. is it important?
[09:35] <zerodni> do you want to know the gui way or the command line way
[09:35] <bary> the command line
[09:36] <zerodni> sudo apt-get install firefox
[09:36] <riri> fhx
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> FHX: lol DHCP shouldn't need configuration
[09:36] <drumline_> Master: that's the best part of running a VM...  the VM is a child.    Be sure your firewall covers your Virtual network port.
[09:36] <riri> depends what you need it for ?
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I don't need no stinkin firewalls :P
[09:36] <drumline_> Master: do you use the built-in XP firewall?
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> no
[09:36] <zerodni> it will look for the cd first then the net
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> i am unprotected
[09:36] <MasterEvilAce> NOBODY HACK ME :(
[09:37] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: no host-based security?
[09:37] <riri> neither am I
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: nah
[09:37] <riri> no paranoid
[09:37] <drumline_> why?
[09:37] <zerodni> firestarter is a good firewall
[09:37] <riri> yes i use firestarter
[09:37] <drumline_> core force looks to be nice for XP
[09:37] <riri> to share internet
[09:37] <MasterEvilAce> I'm the opposite of paranoid. The only time something is going to hack me, it will be a random attempt and i never saw something from somebody i don't know. the chances of that are LOW, also considering people target specific companies, websites, etc. usually
[09:37] <McNutella> helooo :)
[09:37] <zerodni> the best is kmyfirewall
[09:38] <zerodni> but that uses iptables rules
[09:38] <drumline_> Master: you're behind a NAT router anyway right?
[09:38] <zerodni> if your behind nat you sould be good
[09:38] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: nah i disabled that
[09:38] <drumline_> usually....   that's if your router doesn't get hacked.
[09:39] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: no nat?
[09:39] <zerodni> if you have linksys your good
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> i'm DMZ'd on my router
[09:39] <zerodni> ah
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> because i hate opening up specific ports
[09:39] <zerodni> then you need firewall
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> nope :P
[09:39] <MasterEvilAce> i don't have anything that anybody would want
[09:39] <zerodni> and your sould open ports it nuts to be open to the world
[09:39] <bary> zarodni the package must be extract or in tar.gz format?
[09:39] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: have you turned off network services like NetBIOS ?
[09:40] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: i did disable services, not sure about netbios
[09:41] <zerodni> zerodni@thedesktop:~$ nmap cpe-071-075-009-204.carolina.res.rr.com
[09:41] <zerodni> Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2006-05-29 03:40 EDT
[09:41] <zerodni> Interesting ports on cpe-071-075-009-204.carolina.res.rr.com (71.75.9.204):
[09:41] <zerodni> (The 1649 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
[09:41] <zerodni> PORT     STATE    SERVICE
[09:41] <zerodni> 68/tcp   filtered dhcpclient
[09:41] <zerodni> 135/tcp  filtered msrpc
[09:41] <zerodni> 136/tcp  filtered profile
[09:41] <zerodni> 137/tcp  filtered netbios-ns
[09:41] <zerodni> 138/tcp  filtered netbios-dgm
[09:41] <zerodni> 139/tcp  filtered netbios-ssn
[09:41] <zerodni> 445/tcp  filtered microsoft-ds
[09:41] <MasterEvilAce> omg pastebin FTW
[09:41] <zerodni> 593/tcp  filtered http-rpc-epmap
[09:41] <zerodni> 1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931
[09:41] <McNutella> I changed session from ubuntu to kubuntu, is there any way to have the desktop icons showing ?
[09:41] <zerodni> 5050/tcp filtered mmcc
[09:41] <zerodni> 5800/tcp filtered vnc-http
[09:41] <zerodni> 5801/tcp filtered vnc-http-1
[09:41] <zerodni> 5802/tcp filtered vnc-http-2
[09:41] <zerodni> 5803/tcp filtered vnc-http-3
[09:41] <zerodni> that is way you sould be behind the firewall
[09:41] <McNutella> zerodni: bad move mate LOL
[09:41] <FHX> DUDE
[09:42] <FHX> pastebin
[09:42] <zerodni> how is that a bad move
[09:42] <McNutella> zerodni: coz no one likes a paster
[09:42] <MasterEvilAce> spam :P
[09:42] <FHX> because you pasted everytying on here
[09:42] <FHX> =_=
[09:42] <crimsun> zerodni: pasting > 3 lines consecutively is called spamming. Use pastebin instead.
[09:42] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: you act like hackers actually have to consciously target you, which is an egregious error.  I've managed Intrusion Detection System logs for a data center and my own personal firewall logs...  You would flip at how much automated attacking goes on and how wide open you are.   If you have all those ports open, you might already be hacked with a rootkit and not even know it.
[09:42] <zerodni> i just did it to show his info im not spaming
[09:43] <FHX> it was spamming if not everyone wanted to see it
[09:43] <Lynoure> more like flooding, but still...
[09:43] <crimsun> zerodni: yes you did, and I'm not going to argue about it.
[09:43] <McNutella> its called flooding on IRC zerodni  :(
[09:43] <crimsun> just use pastebin next time
[09:43] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: ever type a credit card into that computer?   Ever access your bank account online?   Ever access an email account tied to an online bank account?   do paypal?    Any data passing through your keyboard would then be accessible.
[09:43] <zerodni> so it would been ok if i typed all that by hand
[09:44] <FHX> No
[09:44] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: i understand some are random. i'm not paranoid and think i need a huge firewall and virus scanners, etc. i doubt anything will happen (unless someone tries to hack me to prove me wrong in IRC :P)
[09:44] <McNutella> lol
[09:44] <McNutella> anyhoo
[09:44] <teenboyfeet> hey folks. i set up my xorg.conf settings to run two X desktops, one on my CRT and one on my TV, according to the instructions on the ubuntu wiki page "nvidiatvout". this was fine when i was running in GNOME. but since ive switched to KDE, i can run the two desktops fine but the mouse will not move from my first monitor to the second. any ideas? thanks
[09:44] <McNutella> zerodni: I dont wanna sound rude, but if you dont know how to behave on IRC, then I suggest you go read about the basics first :S
[09:44] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: some?   Most are random.   Like I said, you'd have to see it to believe it.  An unpatched Microsoft 2000 box doesn't last 1 hour now before becoming completely infected.
[09:45] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: and I'm certain that XP is not far behind.
[09:45] <blaze> how can my ip be invisible in Kopete?
[09:45] <McNutella> blaze: i didnt know you could on KoPete :)
[09:45] <zerodni> i have been on irc forevery i know how to behave when i start pasting for freecasinos and porn you can let me know and i wasnt doing a stupid macho picture
[09:45] <zerodni> but anyway
[09:45] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: i seriously suggest you getting up to speed about what security professionals recommend to protect yourself.  You're playing with fire.
[09:45] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I understand, i am always fully patched up, and I know that doesn't mean you're secure. but if somebody wants in bad enough, they'll get in eventually
[09:46] <zerodni> but dont let them have it easy MasterEvilAce
[09:46] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: that last part about somebody wanting in bad enough applies almost completely to Internet-facing servers and not to client PC's..  You are incorrectly applying that generality.
[09:47] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: the're not going to see it as a server or not, they're just oging to see a computer
[09:49] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: the issue with "if they want in, they'll eventually get in" refers to an internet server with a static presence - A domain name or a hostname that doesn't change.  It does not refer to a client PC on a dynamic link.
[09:49] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: my computer is always on, and my IP is always the same
[09:49] <MasterEvilAce> i'll disable DMZ just to make you happy :(
[09:49] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: same thing applies.  Do you have a domain name and run servers?
[09:49] <zerodni> lol
[09:50] <McNutella> where do I install window decorations? and can I use the same one as I use with ubuntu ?
[09:50] <MasterEvilAce> i run a server or two, not webserver or anything like that
[09:50] <zerodni> McNutella, i dont think you can but it under system settings under apeince
[09:50] <teenboyfeet> McNutella: kcontrol?
[09:51] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: look...  I can tell by your responses that you aren't fully understanding what I mean.   Just check out what security professionals recommend in this area...
[09:51] <drumline_> MasteEvilAce: what... like P2P?
[09:51] <MasterEvilAce> not 24/7 but yes, and Ventrilo
[09:51] <zerodni> drumline_, problem bit torrent LOL
[09:51] <McNutella> zerodni ; teenboyfeet thanks
[09:51] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: like copyright violation P2P?
[09:51] <teenboyfeet> np
[09:51] <zerodni> MasterEvilAce, let give you a senaro
[09:52] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I understand that i can be hacked at anytime, etc. The point is, it doesn't matter, there's nothing for somebody to gain by doing it
[09:52] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: you don't have to answer that...  But I will say that P2P networks are like playing with fire also.  You are allowing unsolicited communication into your box.
[09:52] <MasterEvilAce> going YEARS doing this, no problems. firewalls, anti virus, etc. are a huge hassle to work with. i don't care enough
[09:53] <zerodni> you have ventrillo and there is an exploit with it and  it opens up to access with something else this is less likely on linux but it could happen and you are dmz so any port they open is ported through
[09:54] <zerodni> MasterEvilAce, you have the right to do what you want but i hope you dont do this on a windows box
[09:54] <zerodni> for our sake
[09:54] <MasterEvilAce> zerodni: umm.. what? lol
[09:54] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: not true.   Your computer can be used as one of the drones in some of the lucrative illegal schemes on the internet.   It could be used to attack internet computers.  It could be used to infect others.  It could be used to steal any data you type into your keypad for extortion, to steal your money, etc...    It could be used as a relay for SPAM...    All of which can illicit a visit by the FBI to your door.   Now with all that pirated sof
[09:54] <drumline_> he FBI?
[09:55] <zerodni> drumline_, exactly
[09:55] <drumline_> seriously... they don't fuck around when they have a jewel...   they make examples out of people.
[09:55] <zerodni> yes good point dont every run sendmail on the pc
[09:55] <zerodni> LOL
[09:56] <MasterEvilAce> drumline_: I keep my stuff clean, no uneeded services running, no spyware, etc. the most i have is tracking cookies so nobody has implanted a bot server or anything into me
[09:56] <drumline_> I know a guy who helped put 5 guys in prison simply because they helped run a server with pirated software on it.
[09:56] <zerodni> thats cool but how do you know what the next expoit is going to be
[09:56] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: study up.   Rootkit technology is more advanced that you realize.   Now, rootkits can lift your operating system into a virtual machine and operate OUTSIDE your operating system.
[09:56] <zerodni> this is even more importent on a windows box
[09:57] <zerodni> yep chrootkit is awsome
[09:57] <drumline_> chrootkit doesn't find it
[09:57] <drumline_> The technology I'm talking about is for MS OS's
[09:57] <zerodni> ah yeah
[09:57] <drumline_> but it may exist for Linux.. who knows...   probably not though.
[09:57] <zerodni> rootkitreviler is good for windows right
[09:58] <zerodni> its been while for me and windows
[09:58] <drumline_> rootkitrevealer is a decent one that will catch rootkits trying to hide data from regedit.
[09:58] <MasterEvilAce> test
[09:58] <zerodni> and its only for known rootkits
[09:59] <drumline_> Master: got the test.
[09:59] <drumline_> zerodni: it'll find things that aren't rootkits too...  just strange things that aren't even malicious.
[09:59] <zerodni> yep
[10:00] <zerodni> its a good little program but you have to agree that its deffently not full proof
[10:01] <drumline_> MasterEvilAce: The door was opened when you wanted to involve yourself in P2P filesharing...  you unlocked your computer for that purpose..    Both involving yourself in P2P and unlocking your computer is risky...  and should you ever show up on FBI radar, you'd be in a world of hurt.   Just wanted to throw that out there for your consideration.  You can do whatever you want with it.   :)
[10:02] <drumline_> zerodni: oh no...   there are rootkits that are kernel-level and hide from all windows API's
[10:02] <zerodni> yep
[10:02] <drumline_> zerodni: at that point, you need a file listing of every file on the computer from WITHIN the operating system and from OUTSIDE the operating system(a boot cd-rom) and the compare the two.
[10:03] <zerodni> i used a barts pe disk once to to a scan outside the OS
[10:03] <MasterEvilAce> restarting
[10:03] <zerodni> it worked ok
[10:03] <drumline_> zerodni: funny thing...  I haven't gotten around to doing that...  I guess I want a linux solution.
[10:04] <drumline_> I think I'll make a disc that has cygwin on it and does the listing and can also boot and do the listing outside
[10:04] <zerodni> for linux chrootkit on linux live cd works good for linux installs
[10:04] <drumline_> which linux live cd?
[10:04] <drumline_> kubuntu?
[10:04] <zerodni> but you would have to use a windows kernal for it to compare i think
[10:05] <zerodni> any of them that have chrootkit and maybe a AV like clam
[10:05] <zerodni> just to be on the safe side
[10:05] <zerodni> i use STD for almost everything like that
[10:05] <drumline_> yeah...   Windows kernel...  that's where Cygwin comes in.  :)
[10:06] <drumline_> cygwin can output listings in the same formats...
[10:06] <drumline_> and run perl scripts nicely...
[10:06] <zerodni> but what programe would you use that reads windows rootkits
[10:06] <drumline_> perl... mmmm...
[10:06] <drumline_> That would be interesting to see if rootkitrevealer would work in WINE.
[10:07] <drumline_> probably not.  :)
[10:07] <zerodni> it does but not very well
[10:07] <zerodni> lol
[10:07] <drumline_> really?
[10:07] <drumline_> what do you mean?
[10:07] <zerodni> and it would check your veral wine not your system
[10:07] <zerodni> lol
[10:09] <drumline_> oh..  funny
[10:09] <drumline_> it isn't coded to examine other systems... only the local one.
[10:09] <drumline_> well that's funny..
[10:09] <zerodni> yeah
[10:09] <drumline_> Meanwhile...  tis time for me to hit the hay..
[10:09] <zerodni> that is why it only checked the wine windows install the one in your home dir
[10:10] <drumline_> I'll leave you with a limerick
[10:10] <zerodni> there was a man from nantuckit
[10:10] <drumline_> There was a young man from Yuma, Who told an elephant joke to a Puma.   Now his body lies, under hot western skies.  The Puma had no sense of Huma.
[10:10] <zerodni> lol
[10:11] <drumline_> :)
[10:12] <blaze> how can i add a sound icon in the taskbar
[10:12] <blaze> i mean a volume controller
[10:12] <blaze> ?
[10:13] <zerodni> kmix
[10:13] <zerodni> blaze,
[10:13] <blaze> ok.. i'll try
[10:14] <blaze> oh, thanks zerodni ! :)
[10:14] <zerodni> sure
[10:17] <blaze> and does anyone know how to configure Kandy (for my GSM)
[10:17] <blaze> Siemens CX70 :-P
[10:20] <zerodni> are you connecting via usb
[10:23] <blaze> yes zerodni
[10:24] <blaze> and.. maby someone can tell me another phone manager for kde
[10:24] <zerodni> kandy works pritty good i dont know the one for gnome but that one works with kde too
[10:25] <crabgrass> how do i get scim to work in kubuntu ?
[10:26] <zerodni> what are you trying to do with scim if you dont mind me asking :)
[10:28] <crabgrass> japanese
[10:29] <zerodni> and it doesnt work by installing scim with scim-tables-ja
[10:35] <crabgrass> i don't know how to use it i guess
[10:36] <crabgrass> i have scim-tables-ja installed
[10:36] <zerodni> you can use scim-config-gconf and use gconf to confiure it
[10:37] <crabgrass> i have.  i understand that you only need to use ctl and space to activate it
[10:37] <zerodni> hmm
[10:37] <zerodni> im not that formiler with it sorry i cant be more help
[10:40] <zerodni> so are you japanese crabgrass ?
[10:53] <visik7> hi
[10:53] <visik7> I've installed w32codecs from seveas repo but divx are not playable inside kaffeine
[10:54] <visik7> there is no more the config checker in kaffeine
[10:54] <nox-Hand> Anyone got XGL working?
[10:55] <Bilford> divx
[10:55] <Bilford> are you using Breezy or Dapper
[10:56] <visik7> Bilford: dapper
[10:56] <Bilford> I think install MPLayer
[10:56] <visik7> on breezy works
[10:56] <visik7> mplayer is installed
[10:56] <Bilford> to get the codecs
[10:56] <Bilford> oh
[10:57] <visik7> and inside mplayer it works
[10:57] <FHX> hey could someone help me? my internet doesn't work
[10:57] <visik7> but not in kaffeine(xine)
[10:57] <FHX> does this have something to do with DHCP not configuring udring setup?
[10:57] <FHX> because I skipped it during setup
[10:57] <FHX> it was not working
[10:57] <FHX> how can i fix this?
[10:58] <Bilford> well, I just did a fresh install yesterday
[10:59] <Bilford> did you upgrade or fresh install
[10:59] <FHX> fresh install
[10:59] <Bilford> I watched DivX today
[10:59] <FHX> but i skipped the DHCP configuration
[10:59] <Bilford> visik7,
[10:59] <FHX> because it wasn't working
[10:59] <FHX> and now my internet is not working
[10:59] <visik7> Bilford: yes me too
[10:59] <visik7> Bilford: fresh install from RC cd
[10:59] <visik7> installed w32codecs
[10:59] <FHX> ..
[10:59] <visik7> but no divx output
[10:59] <Bilford> did you 'reboot' after installing MPLayer
[10:59] <visik7> yes
[11:00] <visik7> even If I don't think was necessary
[11:00] <Bilford> I doubt this will work, but try    sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:00] <Bilford> thats probably only for audio though
[11:00] <Bilford> !mp3
[11:00] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:01] <visik7> cool
[11:01] <visik7> libxine-extracodecs
[11:01] <visik7> works
[11:01] <visik7> thanks
[11:01] <Bilford> ok
[11:01] <Bilford> FHX, I have no idea how to fix your internet
[11:02] <FHX> hm..
[11:02] <FHX> well
[11:02] <FHX> do you know how i can fix DHCP configuration?
[11:02] <FHX> because that's the step i skipped during installation/setup of Kubuntu
[11:02] <visik7> FHX open the /etc/network/interfaces file
[11:02] <visik7> paste on some pastebin
[11:03] <FHX> okay 1 sec
[11:05] <FHX> i can't
[11:05] <FHX> ..
[11:05] <visik7> UH ?
[11:05] <FHX> I'm on another computer
[11:05] <visik7> can't what ?
[11:05] <visik7> and ?
[11:05] <FHX> access internet
[11:05] <FHX> so i can't pastebin
[11:05] <FHX> because i need internet to get online to pastebin.com
[11:05] <visik7> mmm
[11:05] <FHX> yeah..
[11:05] <visik7> dunno paste by hand skipping line starting with # and empty lines
[11:06] <FHX> ??
[11:06] <FHX> um
[11:06] <FHX> i'd have to type it up from computer to computer
[11:06] <FHX> and that's kind of difficult
[11:06] <FHX> i'm on two different computers
[11:06] <visik7> they are about 4 lines if any
[11:06] <FHX> okay
[11:06] <FHX> hang on
[11:06] <visik7> com'on
[11:07] <FHX> ok
[11:07] <FHX> script grep
[11:07] <FHX> and
[11:07] <FHX> map eth0
[11:07] <HymnToLife> !enter
[11:07] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[11:07] <EvilIdler> Morning
[11:08] <FHX> ?
[11:08] <HymnToLife> FHX> that is
[11:08] <HymnToLife> pleae
[11:08] <HymnToLife> don't
[11:08] <HymnToLife> speak
[11:08] <HymnToLife> like
[11:08] <HymnToLife> that :)
[11:09] <FHX> okay
[11:09] <FHX> visik7 what should I do now?
[11:09] <FHX> those were the only things it said
[11:09] <FHX> i skipped all of the #s and empty spaces, and those were the only two lines
[11:10] <visik7> FHX: but are you on breezy ?
[11:11] <FHX> i'm on kubuntu
[11:11] <FHX> should be breezy
[11:11] <FHX> The problem is that during installation i skipped DHCP configuration
[11:11] <FHX> how do I fix this now?
[11:11] <visik7> oh ok
[11:11] <FHX> becuase previously, when I didn't skip it (and when it didn't stall) i had no problem with the internet
[11:11] <FHX> now that i've skipepd it, my internet is not working
[11:11] <visik7> comment all
[11:11] <visik7> and add this 2 lines
[11:11] <HymnToLife> FHX> could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:12] <FHX> no
[11:12] <FHX> if I could i wouldn't have any trouble
[11:12] <FHX> XD
[11:12] <FHX> i don't have intenret access on that computer
[11:12] <FHX> that's the problem
[11:12] <HymnToLife> well anyway
[11:12] <visik7> auto eth0
[11:12] <FHX> visik7:?
[11:12] <visik7> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[11:12] <FHX> ok
[11:12] <FHX> i add those two lines to it?
[11:12] <visik7> this 2 lines
[11:12] <visik7> for dhcp
[11:12] <visik7> and comment all the rest
[11:13] <Bilford> Whats a good par2 repair app for Linux
[11:13] <Bilford> QuickPar in Wine?
[11:13] <HymnToLife> FHX> be careful not to comment the lo lines, though
[11:13] <FHX> what do you mean by commentall for hte rest?
[11:13] <FHX> I'm confused
[11:13] <HymnToLife> it will create problems if you do
[11:14] <FHX> do I just add thos etwo lines?
[11:14] <HymnToLife> yes
[11:14] <FHX> okay
[11:14] <FHX> done
[11:14] <FHX> will it work now?
[11:14] <visik7> FHX oh HymnToLife is right don't comment the lo interface
[11:14] <FHX> i have no idea what lo interface is
[11:14] <HymnToLife> FHX> then sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0 to restart the interface
[11:14] <FHX> wait wtf?
[11:14] <FHX> you mean in konsole?
[11:14] <FHX> XD
[11:14] <FHX> i'm lost
[11:15] <FHX> right now i'm in interfaces
[11:15] <visik7> FHX there should be 2 lines like this
[11:15] <visik7> auto lo
[11:15] <visik7> iface lo inet loopback
[11:15] <FHX> and i've just added those two lines and saved
[11:15] <visik7> don't comment them
[11:15] <FHX> huh
[11:15] <FHX> ohh
[11:15] <FHX> okay
[11:15] <FHX> so what do I add then?
[11:15] <FHX> what do you mean by "comment all"?
[11:15] <FHX> o.o
[11:16] <HymnToLife> FHX> do you have stuff mentioning eth0 and eth1 in there ?
[11:16] <HymnToLife> like   iface eth0 inet static or something
[11:16] <FHX> yes
[11:16] <FHX> no i see those two lines you mentioned
[11:16] <FHX> but what do you mean by "comment all"?
[11:16] <FHX> do I type comment all on every line?
[11:16] <FHX> i have no idea
[11:16] <HymnToLife> then comment it outthat is, add a # at the very beginning of the line
[11:17] <HymnToLife> hold on, I'll show you an example
[11:17] <FHX> at the beginning of those two lines?
[11:17] <FHX> okay added
[11:17] <FHX> i added a # in front of those two lines
[11:17] <HymnToLife> you should have more than two if it's static
[11:18] <FHX> um
[11:18] <HymnToLife> a line for the IP, subnet mak, gateway, DNS...
[11:18] <FHX> okay just show me the example
[11:18] <FHX> i'm confused
[11:18] <FHX> XD
[11:18] <HymnToLife> http://fkraiem.no-ip.org/stuff/interfaces
[11:18] <HymnToLife> it should look a bit like this
[11:19] <FHX> omg no
[11:19] <FHX> it's totally different
[11:19] <FHX> i have everything
[11:19] <FHX> except
[11:19] <FHX> what goes below math eth0
[11:19] <FHX> *map eth0
[11:20] <FHX> and i odn't know what my IP is
[11:20] <HymnToLife> what do you have there ?
[11:20] <FHX> everything
[11:20] <FHX> except from #The primary
[11:20] <FHX> onwards
[11:20] <HymnToLife> and instead of that, nothing ?
[11:21] <FHX> http://pastebin.com/744405
[11:21] <FHX> yeah
[11:21] <FHX> instead of that, nothing
[11:21] <FHX> that's what mine looks like
[11:21] <HymnToLife> ok
[11:21] <HymnToLife> it will be easier then
[11:21] <FHX> what should i donow?
[11:21] <HymnToLife> do you have only eth0 ?
[11:22] <FHX> yes
[11:22] <HymnToLife> or several interfces
[11:22] <HymnToLife> ok
[11:22] <FHX> no
[11:22] <FHX> several
[11:22] <HymnToLife> so just add a line
[11:22] <FHX> when i was installing kubuntu it told me i had several
[11:22] <FHX> okay
[11:22] <FHX> what line do i add?
[11:22] <HymnToLife> which one do you want to ue with DHCP ?
[11:22] <FHX> i have no idea what they even are
[11:23] <HymnToLife> what does     ifconfig -a      returns ?
[11:23] <FHX> ??
[11:23] <FHX> in konsole?
[11:23] <FHX> eth0, eth1, lo, sot0
[11:23] <HymnToLife> yes
[11:23] <FHX> *sit0
[11:24] <HymnToLife> yit will give you a list of all your network interfaces
[11:24] <HymnToLife> ok so you have two
[11:24] <FHX> ok
[11:24] <FHX> so what should i do now?
[11:24] <HymnToLife> you have to determine which one you want to use
[11:24] <FHX> okay eth0
[11:24] <FHX> it doesn't make a difference right?
[11:25] <HymnToLife> so add a line in interface like this :    iface etho inet dhcp
[11:25] <HymnToLife> of course it does
[11:25] <HymnToLife> if you have two interfacer, that means you have two networkcards
[11:25] <HymnToLife> ell anyway
[11:25] <FHX> yeah but if it doesn't work then i can just change it to the other one
[11:25] <FHX> okay i've added that line below
[11:25] <FHX> now will it work?
[11:25] <HymnToLife> if eth0 doesn't ork, that means you have to use eth1 :p
[11:26] <HymnToLife> yes, you just need to activate it
[11:26] <HymnToLife> sudo ifup eth0
[11:26] <FHX> ok
[11:26] <FHX> if this one doens't work
[11:26] <FHX> then i just do the same for eth1 right?
[11:27] <FHX> what's the differnce?
[11:27] <FHX> will one work better than the other?
[11:27] <HymnToLife> well, not exactly
[11:27] <HymnToLife> you have to deactivate eth0 (sudo ifdown eth0)
[11:27] <HymnToLife> then replace eth0 with eth1 in interface
[11:27] <HymnToLife> and udo ifup eth1
[11:27] <HymnToLife> sudo*
[11:27] <FHX> it's still not workind
[11:27] <FHX> *working
[11:28] <HymnToLife> neither of them is working ?
[11:28] <FHX> i'm trying eth1 now
[11:29] <FHX> when i finished eth0 google.com wouldn't load
[11:29] <FHX> so now i'm trying eth1
[11:30] <FHX> neither of them work.
[11:30] <FHX> wtf.
[11:30] <FHX> x.x
[11:30] <FHX> this sucks.
[11:30] <HymnToLife> try ifconfig when one is actie
[11:30] <HymnToLife> to ee if DHCP worked
[11:30] <FHX> k
[11:31] <FHX> i'm putting bcak up eth0
[11:31] <FHX> then i'll type in ifconfig
[11:31] <FHX> how can i tell if it's working??
[11:32] <HymnToLife> iif it gives you an IP and all for eth0
[11:32] <FHX> hm
[11:32] <FHX> no IP
[11:32] <FHX> sigh
[11:32] <HymnToLife> try with eth1 then...
[11:33] <FHX> i did
[11:33] <FHX> i tried with both
[11:33] <FHX> none work
[11:33] <FHX> i do'nt know what to d onow
[11:33] <FHX> T_T
[11:33] <FHX> WHY is this so difficult.
[11:33] <FHX> aargh
[11:36] <HymnToLife> you could try configuring them from the GUI
[11:37] <HymnToLife> but I've never done it wihth KDE so I can't tell you how
[11:37] <FHX> it keeps saying:
[11:37] <FHX> no DHCPOFFERS received
[11:37] <FHX> and
[11:37] <FHX> No working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[11:37] <FHX> what does tha tmean??
[11:37] <HymnToLife> are you _sure_ you have a DHCP server runing on your network ?
[11:37] <FHX> btw
[11:37] <FHX> where do I add
[11:38] <FHX> that iface
[11:38] <FHX> do i add it below iface
[11:38] <FHX> or at the end of the document?
[11:38] <FHX> yes
[11:38] <FHX> because the first time installation it worked
[11:38] <FHX> and now second time kubuntu installation it doesn't work
[11:38] <HymnToLife> I'm not sure if it matters
[11:38] <HymnToLife> I alway add it that the end though
[11:38] <FHX> becuase the first time round it worked, then someone here messed my installation and i had to startover, and this time round it wouldn't configure DHCP
[11:38] <FHX> o.o
[11:38] <FHX> T_T
[11:39] <FHX> wth do i do now
[11:39] <FHX> i have no internet
[11:39] <FHX> x.x
[11:39] <FHX> aarghh
[11:40] <HymnToLife> if it worked the first time, you're certainly doing something wrong
[11:40] <FHX> what??
[11:40] <FHX> aarghhhhhhh
[11:41] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:41] <FHX> alright hang on
[11:41] <FHX> i'm going to transfer it
[11:41] <FHX> through a usb
[11:41] <HymnToLife> try adding map eth1after map eth0
[11:41] <FHX> and i'll patsebin it here
[11:43] <McNutella> huloo again
[11:43] <FHX> aargh you know what
[11:43] <FHX> fck this
[11:43] <FHX> i'm just going to type it al out
[11:43] <FHX> X.x
[11:44] <FHX> HymnToLife can i type it all out then you send me back what it's supposed to be?
[11:44] <HymnToLife> ure
[11:44] <HymnToLife> sure*
[11:45] <FHX> HymnToLifehttp://pastebin.com/744429
[11:45] <FHX> now
[11:45] <FHX> what do i fix
[11:45] <FHX> =_=
[11:46] <HymnToLife> if the interface is eth0, thi sould definitely
[11:46] <HymnToLife> work*
[11:46] <FHX> well, it doesnt.
[11:46] <HymnToLife> since it doesn, I think it's eth1
[11:46] <HymnToLife> add a    map eth1    line just after map eth0
[11:46] <HymnToLife> and modify last line
[11:47] <HymnToLife> then try eth1
[11:47] <FHX> wait
[11:47] <FHX> when i add map eth1
[11:47] <FHX> do i have the space and the same format as map eth0?
[11:47] <HymnToLife> I'm unsure if it matters
[11:47] <HymnToLife> in doubt, do it the same :)
[11:48] <FHX> i did it the same
[11:48] <FHX> btw
[11:48] <FHX> it wouldn't work when i tried sudo ifdown eth0
[11:48] <FHX> it says: ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[11:48] <HymnToLife> ow sorry
[11:48] <HymnToLife> you should have deactivated it before modifying the file
[11:49] <FHX> ????
[11:49] <FHX> what do I do
[11:49] <FHX> okay
[11:49] <FHX> tell me
[11:49] <FHX> exactly what i have to do
[11:49] <HymnToLife> well I don't think it matters uch, what happens when you ifup eth1 ?
[11:49] <FHX> it upped
[11:49] <FHX> and it doesn't work
[11:49] <HymnToLife> ifconfig gives you an IP ?
[11:49] <FHX> no
[11:49] <FHX> it does not
[11:49] <FHX> just a bunch of information
[11:50] <HymnToLife> hmm
[11:51] <FHX> ..
[11:51] <FHX> Okay
[11:51] <FHX> seriously
[11:51] <FHX> what do i do
[11:51] <quix> people! does anyone have ATI Xpress 200m on laptop, and working ubuntu on it??? please, need some advise
[11:51] <HymnToLife> are you _sure_ there's a working DHCP server on your network ?
[11:51] <FHX> Yes
[11:51] <FHX> otherwise how can i get my internet to work
[11:51] <FHX> and btw
[11:51] <FHX> no matter what i do
[11:51] <FHX> sudo ifdown eth0 won't work
[11:52] <FHX> it's permanently up
[11:52] <HymnToLife> that's because eth0 is not mentioned anymore in interfce
[11:52] <FHX> yes it is
[11:52] <HymnToLife> a reboot will deactivate it but I don't think that's the problem
[11:52] <FHX> ..
[11:52] <FHX> sigh
[11:52] <FHX> Okay
[11:52] <FHX> i just want my internet to work
[11:52] <FHX> hwo do i get it to work
[11:52] <HymnToLife> well
[11:53] <FHX> ..
[11:53] <HymnToLife> this definitely _should_ work, I just tested it right now
[11:53] <HymnToLife> well, I guess you can just reinstall and not miss the network configuration
[11:54] <Bilford> try rebooting
[11:54] <FHX> ok i'm rebooting now
[11:54] <FHX> this sucks.
[11:54] <HymnToLife> but that seems too much hassle
[11:54] <quix> my config is amd64 4000+,2GB RAM, ATI Xpress 200m 128MB dedicated vram, X freezes on startup, can any one help me??
[11:55] <HymnToLife> quix> error message ?
[11:56] <quix> it just freezes
[11:56] <quix> no error
[11:56] <HymnToLife> what does the logfile ay ?
[11:56] <HymnToLife> say*
[11:59] <FHX> ...
[11:59] <FHX> ITS NOT WORKING
[11:59] <FHX> @#)($*@#)
[11:59] <FHX> i don't get it
[11:59] <FHX> i'm doing EVERYTHING RIGHT
[12:00] <FHX> and it's JUST NOT WORKING
[12:00] <FHX> T_T
[12:00] <FHX> arghhhhh
[12:02] <sulan> FHX: try ifconfig eth0 down if you need your interface down without first releasing dhcp-leases and such
[12:02] <FHX> it's down already
[12:02] <FHX> i rebooted
[12:02] <inc|freaky> hi all, does the svn version allready have the new channel tab bar thingy? the tree ... umm... dunno ... its just that the actual release only scales the tabs and im on too many channels for that and i cant see any text on the tabs only a few chars ;)
[12:03] <inc|freaky> oh sorry wrong channels ;D
[12:04] <FHX> arghhhh
[12:04] <FHX> "NO DHCPOFFERS RECEIVED"
[12:04] <FHX> ftw
[12:05] <FHX> i've been at it for TWO hours
[12:06] <murtun> hey all
[12:07] <FHX> i upped them both at the same time
[12:07] <FHX> and they're still not working
[12:07] <FHX> i've tried Everything
[12:07] <murtun> what is that site that tells u how to configutr your source.lst and get everything thing up and running on a newly installed kubutnu setp?
[12:07] <FHX> can somebody please offer me help???
[12:07] <Terminus> FHX: what does ifconfig -a say?
[12:07] <FHX> right now?
[12:07] <FHX> eth0, eth1, and lo
[12:08] <Terminus> gah... two lan cards.
[12:08] <FHX> and sit0
[12:08] <FHX> yes well
[12:08] <FHX> what do i do to get this fixed
[12:08] <FHX> i need internet
[12:08] <FHX> and i'm fcking pissed. sigh. can you help?
[12:08] <Terminus> can't quite remember how to deal with multiple lan cards.
[12:08] <McNutella> take one out LOL
[12:08] <McNutella> easiest solution
[12:09] <FHX> i did
[12:09] <FHX> and it did not work.
[12:09] <FHX> so now
[12:09] <FHX> somebody tell me
[12:09] <FHX> how the heck
[12:09] <FHX> DO I GET INTENRET
[12:09] <McNutella> chill out man
[12:09] <FHX> >.<
[12:09] <FHX> i'm so frustrated
[12:09] <FHX> i'm sorry but i am
[12:09] <FHX> it's just so annoying
[12:09] <McNutella> get a hobby
[12:09] <McNutella> look, which one did you take out
[12:09] <FHX> nobody knows how to fix it
[12:09] <FHX> i took out both
[12:09] <FHX> i tried
[12:09] <FHX> first only eth1
[12:09] <McNutella> if you give someone a chance
[12:09] <FHX> then only eth0
[12:09] <FHX> and neither work
[12:10] <McNutella> does your board have onboard LAN ?
[12:10] <FHX> i have absolutely no idea
[12:10] <FHX> i know nothing about this
[12:10] <FHX> all i know
[12:10] <FHX> is that my internet is not working
[12:10] <FHX> and whatever i've tried
[12:10] <FHX> is not working
[12:10] <McNutella> all I know is you need to take a time out
[12:10] <zerodni> FHX if you pm me your the out put of the command less /etc/networking/interfaces i can see what maybe the trobble
[12:11] <McNutella> coz you will annoy folk on here if you keep rabbiting on and on
[12:11] <FHX> zerodni what do you mean? as in the entire thing? okay
[12:11] <McNutella> make sure you pm it ;)
[12:11] <FHX> zerodni http://pastebin.com/744429
[12:11] <FHX> pastebin.
[12:12] <kaarlo> Hi!
[12:12] <McNutella> hi
[12:12] <FHX> ..
[12:13] <zerodni> i think you need to add to your interface file  auto eth0
[12:13] <FHX> how?
[12:13] <aadil> speaking about annoying folks..
[12:13] <aadil> anyone knows someone named Mirjam?
[12:13] <aadil> puh lease
[12:13] <aadil> :)
[12:13] <McNutella> aadil, nope?
[12:13] <FHX> zerodni, as in just add that line at the bottom?
[12:13] <aadil> ok thanks
[12:13] <impaque> hello, can you please tell me is there a way to uninstall kmail (and use thunderbird instead) while not breaking dependencies (ie. kubuntu-desktop, if i remember correctly)? i have googled to find an answer to this, but to no avail.
[12:14] <zerodni> FHX, yeah
[12:14] <FHX> so it looks like this: http://pastebin.com/744465
[12:14] <zerodni> it doesnt matter
[12:14] <zerodni> yeah
[12:14] <FHX> added it
[12:15] <FHX> and it still doesn't work
[12:15] <zerodni> did you restart your networking
[12:15] <FHX> how?
[12:15] <FHX> how do i restart my networking
[12:15] <zerodni> /etc/init.d/networking restart or reboot
[12:15] <murtun> is anyone else finding Dapper very un stable?
[12:15] <zerodni> murtun, well it still in beta
[12:15] <FHX> um
[12:15] <McNutella> how how how :)
[12:15] <FHX> zerodni what do i type in konsole?
[12:15] <Terminus> murtun: not me, other than a right click crash issue with the desktop. :)
[12:15] <vega-> zerodni: no it's rc
[12:15] <SkrotFFS> murtun: It's a unstable version, but no, I find it almost rock solid
[12:15] <murtun> that answers alot
[12:16] <murtun> ah right
[12:16] <FHX> zerodni: /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[12:16] <zerodni> yeah
[12:16] <FHX> ok
[12:16] <vega-> murtun: i'm worried particularly about this: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gamin/+bug/36581
[12:16] <murtun> SkrotFFS: would u happeb to know any guides to getting up and running nicely
[12:16] <murtun> like enhacing source.lst and stuff like that
[12:16] <FHX> it failed
[12:16] <SkrotFFS> murtun: uhm, no. I just instal it, configure KDE the way I like it and that's it =)
[12:17] <zerodni> you might want to clear out networking a reboot might do it
[12:17] <murtun> lol, fair enough
[12:17] <Bilford> maybe do a fresh install of Dapper RC
[12:17] <murtun> I'm not able to apt-get xchat.. :S
[12:18] <FHX> ok
[12:18] <murtun> which is strange
[12:18] <Bilford> I usually find that when I try to fix something using lots of steps and intrictate things that Im usually doing it wrong
[12:19] <Bilford> theres usually a simple way
[12:19] <murtun> was anyone else able to apt-get xchat
[12:19] <Bilford> I use Konversation
[12:19] <murtun> coz it didn't let me install that or amsn... wandering of my source.lst is crap
[12:20] <Bilford> paste your source list
[12:20] <Bilford> !paste
[12:20] <FHX> k i'm rebooting now
[12:20] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[12:21] <Bilford> are you going to paste it.  im leaving
[12:22] <murtun> hmm
[12:22] <murtun> its the defualt one that came with the install
[12:22] <murtun> lemme pastebin it
[12:23] <Bilford> ok
[12:23] <FHX> zerodni: my internet sitll doesnt'work.
[12:23] <FHX> what should i do now?
[12:24] <Bilford> but I dont think XChat is multiverse
[12:24] <Bilford> it's a common app
[12:24] <zerodni> hmm
[12:24] <FHX> :S
[12:24] <zerodni> FHX, you may want to setup static
[12:24] <FHX> how?
[12:24] <FHX> i don't know my IP
[12:25] <zerodni> do you know a free ip on your network
[12:25] <FHX> nope
[12:25] <Bilford> 192.168.1.1.100
[12:25] <Bilford> http://192.168.1.1.100
[12:25] <zerodni> can you ping around to find out
[12:25] <FHX> okay
[12:25] <FHX> i think it's
[12:25] <FHX> 127.0.0.1
[12:25] <zerodni> lol
[12:25] <murtun> http://pastebin.com/744490
[12:25] <zerodni> i dont think so
[12:25] <zerodni> lol
[12:26] <impaque> can you please tell me is there a way to uninstall kmail (and use thunderbird instead) while not breaking dependencies (ie. kubuntu-desktop, if i remember correctly)? i have googled to find an answer to this, but to no avail.
[12:27] <Bilford> murtun, , most of yours are disabled
[12:27] <FHX> um ok
[12:27] <FHX> how can i find my ip?
[12:27] <zerodni> just apt-get remove kmail then apt-get thunerderbird
[12:27] <Bilford> go to  alt+f2  adept
[12:27] <Bilford> Adept - Manage Repositories
[12:27] <zerodni> kubuntu-desktop is just a verual package not importent
[12:27] <Bilford> and enable all of those
[12:27] <Bilford> murtun, or just remove the # from in front of them
[12:27] <FHX> zerodni how about my shared IP?
[12:27] <FHX> would that work?
[12:28] <murtun> righty
[12:28] <Bilford> then do sudo apt-get update
[12:28] <Bilford> then try the xchat
[12:28] <impaque> zerodni: so, kubuntu-desktop is just an "alias" for common desktop packages?
[12:28] <zerodni> yeah
[12:28] <FHX> okay
[12:28] <impaque> will it affect updating?
[12:28] <FHX> done
[12:28] <FHX> now what
[12:28] <FHX> it still doesn't work
[12:29] <zerodni> it just makes it easier to install so you dont have to install all the packages that make up kubuntu-desktop
[12:29] <murtun> cheers, Bilford
[12:29] <zerodni> it doesnt install software it just has depenscys of other packages that makes it a virtul package
[12:30] <FHX> i giveup
[12:30] <impaque> zerodni: but when i update the system, will that unresolved dependency then be automatically solved by installing kmail again?
[12:30] <zerodni> that sucks i just finshed his interfaces file
[12:31] <zerodni> no you will remove kubuntu-destkop you dont need it now
[12:31] <impaque> zerodni: so, it's safe to remove the entire kubuntu-desktop package? ok, thanks mate! ;) i really don't have a large hdd on my laptop, i'll give it a try.. thanks!
[12:31] <zerodni> yeah its not a package
[12:32] <zerodni> its a virual package
[12:32] <zerodni> no software is installed
[12:33] <impaque> zerodni: thx for clearing that up to me. i'm familiar with those meta packages on gentoo.
[12:33] <zerodni> yeah
[12:33] <zerodni> gentoo = the great wait
[12:33] <zerodni> lol just kidding
[12:34] <impaque> zerodni: yeah ;)
[12:35] <zerodni> impaque, so your not a gentoo freek :p
[12:35] <impaque> zerodni: but you know, as long as you're not a ricer and really know what you want and you have the patience to sort out USE flags constantly.. you eventually get a nice, sleek system.
[12:35] <zerodni> i can do the same thing with debian
[12:36] <zerodni> i can build every packages using debian with apt-build
[12:36] <zerodni> but that is all religion LOL
[12:36] <impaque> zerodni: to be honest, i'm not that patient for the laptop: slow hdd, it will take days.. so i decided to give kubuntu a whirl
[12:37] <zerodni> ah
[12:37] <impaque> afaik, kubuntu has a slight better optimisation than debian? this is a P4 machine, so i would love to take advantage of the cpu
[12:37] <impaque> ie. better optimisation out of the box ;)
[12:37] <zerodni> kubuntu works great but its all debian
[12:38] <zerodni> so when i say debian i mean them all
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> optimization*
[12:38] <impaque> Tallia1Kubuntu: :p
[12:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :D
[12:38] <EvilIdler> The American spelling is with z
[12:38] <EvilIdler> The European is with s ;)
[12:38] <impaque> EvilIdler: touche!
[12:39] <GazzaK> I've found getting the right kernal on makes a difference
[12:40] <GazzaK> kernel
[12:40] <GazzaK> as an example -
[12:40] <GazzaK> Sysinfo for 'dogbert': Linux 2.6.15-23-k7 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2500+ at 1837 MHz (3677 bogomips), , RAM: 910/3040MB, 96 proc's, 1.23h up
[12:40] <GazzaK> i'm running the k7 kernel, and it is quicker than the i386 standard one
[12:40] <impaque> GazzaK: the kernel, and the libraries, make the biggest difference afaik
[12:40] <Tallia1Kubuntu> EvilIdler: oh.. i am european and i didn't know about it :)
[12:41] <EvilIdler> Tallia1Kubuntu: Such far western influence! :P
[12:41] <GazzaK> Tallia1Kubuntu: it is the same as colour/color etc
[12:41] <Tallia1Kubuntu> yeah
[12:42] <GazzaK> mind you, having silly amounts of ram helps :)
[12:43] <impaque> i don't want to sound like a ricer.. but.. with which cflags is the majority of kubuntu packages built?
[12:43] <impaque> i googled to no avail there, again :|
[12:46] <zerodni> sorry
[12:46] <zerodni> not sure for kubuntu
[12:46] <zerodni> was on another pm
[12:50] <kettenschutz> hey
[12:50] <kettenschutz> someone of you got experience with the WineCVS script from linuxgamers?
[12:50] <kettenschutz> i've got problems while connecting to cvs server
[12:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i make you a question regarding Wireless access point and p2p client software?
[12:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> when i turn on Ktorrent client on my laptop connected to the net through an US-robotics access point, the web navigation became very bad... furthermore i tried to ping the wifi router and the amount of packet loss is HUGE.. like 90%. Is this normal? do you have to turn off p2p clients too for  a correct navigation? i never had this problem with a wired connection....
[12:52] <OdyX> can actually kipi-plugins be included in gwenview or not ?
[12:55] <GazzaK> should I install a virus checker?
[12:58] <EvilIdler> GazzaK: If your mailserver handles mail for windows clients, sure
[12:59] <GazzaK> I only have two machines at home, both kubuntu boxes
[01:00] <GazzaK> and rarely send files anywhere
[01:01] <EvilIdler> There are only a few proof-of-concept viruses and trojans for Linux, and there are a lot of pre-requisites before they'll get on your system
[01:03] <GazzaK> okay, it just feels so odd
[01:03] <EvilIdler> The feeling is called 'freedom'
[01:03] <GazzaK> I've been a windows boy for 7-8 years, i'm a sys admin, and it feels so weird not bothering with a AV solution...
[01:04] <GazzaK> I keep feeling like I've forgotten something!
[01:04] <EvilIdler> There will be major warnings on Linux sites when something like that appears
[01:04] <EvilIdler> But the way you use a Unix-like system is very different from Windows
[01:04] <GazzaK> yeah, I guess so, it's only time....
[01:04] <GazzaK> I do see that :)
[01:04] <EvilIdler> Half my Windows games require admin acces
[01:04] <EvilIdler> +s
[01:05] <EvilIdler> Feck knows why a non-debugging Win32 development can't work as a regular user, either
[01:05] <GazzaK> what do you think of this - for the last 7-8 years I have been a sys admin, totally windows based.  in the last month I have ditched windows at home and now run kubuntu, and love it
[01:06] <EvilIdler> Well, the average MCSE I know would call a doctor :)
[01:06] <GazzaK> hehe
[01:06] <kettenschutz> someone of you got experience with the WineCVS script from linuxgamers?
[01:06] <EvilIdler> I'd say your work finally got to you ;)
[01:06] <kettenschutz> i've got problems while connecting to cvs server
[01:06] <GazzaK> quite, people seem amazed that I am coping so well, coming from such a heavy windows support background
[01:07] <EvilIdler> GazzaK: Well, if you were self-trained in networking concepts, it's just a different interface. If you were a paper-MCSE, you'd not cope so well ;)
[01:07] <EvilIdler> But 7+ years of sysadmin on any system should prepare you for any other modern system
[01:08] <GazzaK> I hate paper mcse's - I employed one once, scared me senseless - as he was senseless
[01:08] <EvilIdler> I worked with one in particular who was really, really scary.
[01:09] <EvilIdler> Didn't help he was a CS/Diablo kid, either :/
[01:09] <zerodni> GazzaK, one thing you do have to know if you are sending mail or relaying mail to windows users you may want to install clamav or something so that you dont pass on windows viruses
[01:10] <EvilIdler> Couldn't admin a Win2k box without some sort of guide, even though some things actually have simple ways to fix problems in registry and config files.
[01:10] <zerodni> its not required but its nice for everyone else
[01:10] <zerodni> well windows users anyway
[01:10] <crazy_penguin> cya later everyone!:)
[01:10] <EvilIdler> Well, if he's *sending* there's no load that tacks onto his mail ;)
[01:10] <riri> hi
[01:11] <riri> is there any problem with sigmatel sound card
[01:11] <riri> AC 9758,58 ?
[01:11] <EvilIdler> I've taught some of my Windows-using acquaintances to use Thunderbird, plus some basic computer safety.
[01:11] <zerodni> but im thinking like for a sendmail thing we use av for the windows people when we relay
[01:11] <cfraz89> i think my other computer has a sigmatel ac97
[01:11] <EvilIdler> Yeah, when you have a mixed network, it's sensible
[01:12] <riri> cf
[01:12] <EvilIdler> If you're feeling evil, have it mail them each time they do something dumb
[01:12] <riri> any problem ?
[01:12] <cfraz89> yes, on standard setup playing sounds froze app that tried to play it, or looped first second
[01:12] <cfraz89> i used pci=noacpi on boot line to fix it
[01:13] <EvilIdler> Sigmatel is used in some Live cards, isn't it? I think mine registered that as one of its components
[01:14] <cfraz89> riri: do you have a problem with yours?
[01:14] <riri> yes my son
[01:14] <cfraz89> lol, what is it?
[01:14] <cfraz89> father
[01:14] <riri> mine is 97868
[01:14] <riri> no problem
[01:14] <riri> yes
[01:14] <riri> i try to convince my son to come to kub
[01:15] <riri> lol
[01:15] <cfraz89> and the sound card is un-convincing him?
[01:15] <riri> well
[01:15] <riri> could !
[01:16] <cfraz89> does he have a problem with his?
[01:16] <riri> yes
[01:16] <cfraz89> dies he use linux already?
[01:16] <cfraz89> *does
[01:16] <riri> no sound with his ac9758
[01:16] <riri> yes
[01:16] <cfraz89> oh k
[01:16] <riri> he installed kub yesterday
[01:16] <cfraz89> try adding pci=noacpi into grub boot command
[01:17] <riri> where is grub ?
[01:17] <riri> in menu. ..
[01:17] <cfraz89> go to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:17] <cfraz89> edit it as root
[01:17] <riri> ok
[01:17] <GazzaK> thanks guys
[01:17] <cfraz89> look for a line like this:
[01:17] <cfraz89> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-686 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash
[01:17] <cfraz89> and change it to:
[01:18] <riri> ok
[01:18] <cfraz89> kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-686 root=/dev/hda6 ro quiet splash pci=noacpi
[01:18] <cfraz89> however every time apt-get upgrades kernel, it overwrites the file. So if it works, you'll have to add it every time you upgrade kernel
[01:18] <riri> lol
[01:18] <riri> good
[01:19] <cfraz89> you'll have to reboot to make it work
[01:19] <cfraz89> i'm guessing you checked sound wasnt muted and volume was up?
[01:19] <riri> i hope so ! lol
[01:19] <cfraz89> lol
[01:19] <EvilIdler> You can add default options to menu.lst, I think
[01:19] <cfraz89> i couldnt get it to work
[01:20] <cfraz89> it still overwrote
[01:20] <EvilIdler> Did you add it in the top section that doesn't get changed automatically?
[01:21] <EvilIdler> If you change the actual kernel options in the automagic part, it gets overwritten
[01:21] <riri> i have to go
[01:21] <riri> brb
[01:21] <riri> xiexie
[01:21] <riri> thanks
[01:21] <cfraz89> np
[01:21] <cfraz89> hope it works
[01:21] <cfraz89> EvilIdler: i added it to the top
[01:21] <EvilIdler> It says "### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" where it starts
[01:22] <cfraz89> i added it just under that, uncommented the kopt line
[01:22] <EvilIdler> Add it ABOVE that :)
[01:22] <EvilIdler> Automagic = part that gets automagically changed on grup-updates
[01:22] <cfraz89> ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified
[01:23] <cfraz89> ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below
[01:23] <EvilIdler> I know. That's a major typo ;)
[01:23] <cfraz89> i added it to the default options below
[01:23] <cfraz89> really?
[01:23] <EvilIdler> I have things just above that have survived updates
[01:23] <cfraz89> oh i see
[01:23] <cfraz89> it says do not uncomment them
[01:23] <cfraz89> lol
[01:23] <cfraz89> ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs
[01:23] <cfraz89> ## ## Start Default Options ##
[01:23] <EvilIdler> Someone should have a look at the grub package and maybe clarify :)
[01:24] <cfraz89> lol yeah
[01:24] <EvilIdler> Bug report: Grub's menu.lst is full of big, fat lies!
[01:25] <riri> i wrote # in front of line in menu.lst and it didn't change anything
[01:26] <cfraz89> ?
[01:26] <cfraz89> # is a comment
[01:27] <cfraz89> riri, you didnt comment out the kernel line did you?
[01:27] <EvilIdler> I see there is a confirmed bug in dapper's sources.list rewriting now :/
[01:28] <cfraz89> hmm
[01:40] <|robert|> about the shipit for kubuntu cds. I cannot login, but I can login to the launchpad and the ubuntu ship it. I get an permission denied error message after entering my email/password
[01:41] <|robert|> anyone the same problems?
[01:42] <shawn_> hi guys
[01:42] <shawn_> what do i do to open an editor? like kate
[01:42] <shawn_> in the terminal
[01:43] <shawn_> i typed kate but it does not seem to work
[01:43] <Riddell> that's all that is needed
[01:43] <zerodni> shawn_, to check type whereis kate in term
[01:44] <shawn_> ok, i have three kates
[01:44] <shawn_> kate: /usr/bin/kate /usr/bin/X11/kate /usr/share/man/man1/kate.1.gz
[01:44] <zerodni> what are the paths
[01:44] <zerodni> ah
[01:44] <shawn_> is it the first one?
[01:44] <zerodni> yeah
[01:44] <zerodni> type that first path and then see if it comes up
[01:44] <Bilford> try  kwrite
[01:45] <Bilford> why do I get errors when I start programs in the terminal, even though the apps start?
[01:45] <shawn_> thanks, zerodni and Bilford, both of you are correct
[01:45] <Riddell> Bilford: what's the error?
[01:46] <zerodni> to make sure that you can use kate with out the path make sure you ad /usr/bin to your $path
[01:46] <Bilford> !paste
[01:46] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] 
[01:47] <Bilford> Riddell, http://pastebin.com/744582
[01:50] <Riddell> Bilford: the X errors are harmless errors caused by kdelibs
[01:50] <Riddell> the scim line is random debugging that I couldn't work out what was making it
[01:50] <shawn_> zerodni: i think i have another problem, kate and kwrite works well, but, when i use sudo, they dont work
[01:50] <Bilford> ok, thx.  I dont like errors though
[01:51] <Bilford> it doesnt matter, I rarely launch apps from the console
[02:00] <shawnl> hi all, why cannot i sudo kate or sudo kwrite?
[02:03] <riri> because you must gksudo kwrite
[02:07] <Bilford> what about kdesu
[02:07] <Bilford> kdesu kate
[02:09] <mikmak> hello
[02:09] <mikmak> any idea why kuickshow was removed ?
[02:09] <pekuja> Is there something wrong with the Adept Notifier? I click on the icon in the tray, and it asks for my password, but then nothing happens.
[02:10] <GazzaK> sometimes for me it takes a second attempt
[02:10] <GazzaK> not sure why
[02:10] <pekuja> that's weird
[02:10] <roc> yeah that's very weird... I hope they remove the problem in the summer update...
[02:11] <pekuja> :-/
[02:11] <pekuja> I'll just use apt-get for now then
[02:11] <MasterEvilAce> pekuja: try to run apt-get update  from command line
[02:11] <MasterEvilAce> apt-get may have a prob
[02:11] <MasterEvilAce> everytime i mess up sources.list, then adept won't open
[02:11] <MasterEvilAce> if there is a problem, then it'll tell you in console
[02:11] <pekuja> hm...
[02:15] <pekuja> hm... it's locked
[02:15] <pekuja> probably by Adept
[02:16] <MasterEvilAce> unlock it?
[02:16] <MasterEvilAce> find the key!
[02:16] <MasterEvilAce> savenger hunt woot
[02:16] <pekuja> killall adept_updater :-I
[02:17] <HumanPrototype> hi
[02:17] <HumanPrototype> I'm having problems with apt-get
[02:17] <HumanPrototype> it keeps segfaulting or getting stuck when reading the package lists
[02:18] <MasterEvilAce> i remember someone else complaining about that..
[02:18] <MasterEvilAce> dunno what the deal is
[02:19] <HumanPrototype> MasterEvilAce: is it just a current problem because a higher power is fiddling with it or is it a problem with my machine?
[02:20] <MasterEvilAce> i dunno
[02:20] <HumanPrototype> ah well
[02:21] <HumanPrototype> Ill keep fiddling
[02:21] <GaiaX11> I am trying to access another computer through ssh. But when i do: ssh username@ipnumber it hangs and don't ask me the password. Any help?
[02:23] <shawnl> Bilford: hi i tried, kedsu kate
[02:23] <Bilford> kdesu
[02:24] <XVampireX> yeah
[02:24] <XVampireX> kdesu not kedsu :P
[02:24] <shawnl> Bilford: yes, kedsu
[02:24] <Bilford> no
[02:24] <Bilford> kdesu
[02:24] <shawnl> Bilford: kdesu
[02:24] <Bilford> it didnt work?
[02:24] <shawnl> mistype
[02:24] <shawnl> an error about x
[02:25] <XVampireX> What error and does it at all launch kate?
[02:25] <Bilford> what about kdesu kwrite
[02:25] <shawnl> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[02:25] <Bilford> oh, disregard that error
[02:25] <Bilford> it still launches, doesnt it?
[02:25] <XVampireX> shawnl: That's normal
[02:25] <shawnl> is it about my mouse or keyboard
[02:25] <XVampireX> kdesu needs a password
[02:25] <Bilford> if you dont like looking at errors, type it in alt+f2 instead
[02:25] <XVampireX> No, this one doesn't matter
[02:25] <erofee> hi all
[02:26] <shawnl> ok, but i dont have kate opened
[02:26] <XVampireX> Hi
[02:26] <XVampireX> shawnl: A box should pop up where you must type the password
[02:26] <Bilford> sometimes it doesnt for some reason
[02:27] <Bilford> it just hangs and then quits without popping up the password box
[02:27] <erofee>  i am finding lately that my system is running a lot slower than it first did, i think it has something to do with a lot of things running in the background.  Is there a way i can see what processes are running and kill them if i need to?
[02:27] <Bilford> you ever get that?
[02:27] <XVampireX> kdesu = kde su, think about it as the kde version of sudo
[02:27] <Bilford> ksysguard
[02:27] <shawnl> XVampireX: yes, i understand that
[02:27] <shawnl> Bilford: yes, i got that box this time
[02:28] <Bilford> erofee,  ksysguard
[02:28] <shawnl> maybe i mistyped the command
[02:28] <XVampireX> ok, now type your user password and it should launch
[02:28] <XVampireX> It's always better to use sudo
[02:29] <XVampireX> same thing as kdesu
[02:29] <Bilford> kdesu and sudo are exactly the same?
[02:29] <XVampireX> but without the bugs (window not popping out)
[02:29] <XVampireX> yeah
[02:29] <Bilford> which one doesnt have bugs?
[02:29] <XVampireX> sudo is temporary though
[02:29] <XVampireX> sudo doesn't have bugs
[02:29] <Bilford> ok
[02:30] <XVampireX> alternatively you can  become root using sudo su
[02:30] <XVampireX> in terminal though
[02:30] <Chousuke> sudo -s works too.:)
[02:30] <Chousuke> or sudo -i
[02:30] <XVampireX> yeah, I guess
[02:30] <erofee> what is Xorg?
[02:31] <shawnl> but why sudo does not work in my case?
[02:31] <XVampireX> It's the window management server
[02:31] <erofee> so you could call it essential?
[02:31] <XVampireX> It should
[02:31] <Bilford> I just type sudo su , then I can open any program normally as root?
[02:31] <XVampireX> Yeah, somewhat essential
[02:31] <erofee> thanks
[02:32] <XVampireX> You don't have to have the bleeding edge of xorg though
[02:32] <XVampireX> Bilford: Yes
[02:33] <XVampireX> bbl
[02:35] <shawnl> another question, is adept installer the same thing as Synaptics package manager in Gnome?
[02:35] <Bilford> yes
[02:36] <Bilford> same purpose
[02:36] <Bilford> different program
[02:36] <Bilford> Adept is the KDE Synaptic
[02:37] <shawnl> does it use apt-get inside?
[02:37] <Seantater> probably not apt specifically -- they may use the apt library (AFAIK), instead
[02:38] <Seantater> but either way they ude dpkg
[02:38] <Seantater> use even
[02:38] <erofee> looking in ksysguard, are things  with kdeinit beside them processes that start when the computer starts?
[02:38] <shawnl> oh, yes, thanks
[02:38] <Seantater> erofee: nope
[02:39] <erofee> what does kdeinit mean?
[02:39] <erofee> and how can i see what starts when my computer starts?
[02:39] <chavo> you can install synaptic also, if you prefer it
[02:40] <Seantater> erofee: they are started to start your KDE session, but they are also programs you started with the KDE menu, and any other program KDE needed.
[02:40] <Seantater> erofee: some disown themselves and become child processes to init
[02:41] <erofee> so is there any way to see what starts when my session starts?
[02:41] <Seantater> erofee: if you want to know what's starting with your computer when it starts, look in /etc/init.d and ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:41] <erofee> thanks
[02:41] <Seantater> erofee: but that's only the half of it
[02:42] <erofee> oh...
[02:42] <Seantater> erofee: kdesktop is sterted, so is kicker, etc
[02:42] <erofee> what is kicker?
[02:42] <chavo> erofee, there's also /usr/share/autostart , that's where things like the kicker aaaare started
[02:42] <Seantater> erofee: AFAIK, startkde and KDM start them
[02:42] <chavo> kikcer is the panel
[02:42] <erofee> was wondering about that one.
[02:42] <Seantater> erofee: and there are also programs started in /etc/kde3/kdmrc
[02:43] <Seantater> erofee: ( I think that's the file)
[02:43] <Seantater> erofee: either way -- kdm starts stuff
[02:43] <erofee> wow, don't suppose there are any apps out there that collaborate these in a nice gui :)
[02:43] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[02:43] <Seantater> erofee: usually no one cares what started as long as they work
[02:44] <erofee> i am trying to thin down my startup to increase performance.
[02:44] <Seantater> erofee: Immediately after boot, initrd and the kernel are booted, and init starts loads of stuff
[02:45] <Seantater> erofee: A lot of those things will not thin down so speed up performance though
[02:45] <erofee> have any ideas on what i can do to increase performance?
[02:45] <Seantater> erofee: In fact, removing any one of those things would likely keep KDE from even working
[02:46] <Seantater> erofee: get rid of the cute little shadows that come up whenb menus do
[02:46] <Seantater> erofee: no transperency anywhere
[02:47] <Seantater> erofee: get rid of other effects
[02:47] <MasterEvilAce> my running processes list is huge
[02:47] <MasterEvilAce> and like 10 items keep appearing and disappearing instantly
[02:47] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: how huge?
[02:47] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: That's normal
[02:48] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: I have about 96 processes going at a time
[02:48] <MasterEvilAce> Seantater: depends what normal is.. i'm not sure if it's abnormally large or not
[02:48] <MasterEvilAce> Seantater: Ah, okay. then i'm good
[02:48] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: about 10 are for amarok
[02:48] <erofee> !lamp
[02:48] <ubotu> Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[02:48] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: not amarok, apache, sorry
[02:48] <MasterEvilAce> Seantater: about how much ram does your computer use after say a restart
[02:48] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: just about 256 MB
[02:49] <Seantater> maybe 300 or so
[02:49] <MasterEvilAce> okay good. thats about what my install uses. too bad i only have about that much ram :P
[02:49] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: enable swap -- a lot of that is not being used.
[02:50] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: that way -- the stuff not being used can be left out of the memory
[02:50] <erofee> how do you enable swap?
[02:50] <MasterEvilAce> is swap enabled by default?
[02:50] <MasterEvilAce> i know i have the partiition
[02:50] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: if you gave it a place to put swap when you installed Kubuntu
[02:51] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: then it is on
[02:51] <MasterEvilAce> k
[02:51] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: how large is it?
[02:51] <MasterEvilAce> let me check
[02:51] <Seantater> It probably needs to be ~1GB
[02:52] <Seantater> erofee: if you have not noticed, as long as you gave it a place to make swap in the installer, it's on
[02:52] <erofee> i noticed, thanks.
[02:52] <Seantater> ask me anything
[02:53] <MasterEvilAce> seantater: whats diameter of the sun
[02:53] <erofee> what can't you mix oil and water.
[02:53] <Seantater> 1.4 million kilometers (870000 miles)
[02:54] <erofee> if you press both buttons on a dual flush toilet, do you get one and a half flushes
[02:54] <Seantater> ok, ok -- how about something you guys actually /want/ to know, and something I /might/ know?
[02:55] <MasterEvilAce> LOL EROFEE
[02:55] <Seantater> Like sopmething concerning Ubuntu?
[02:55] <Bilford> what
[02:55] <MasterEvilAce> seantater: 243 mb used (12mb free)   swap: 0kb used 746MB free  what's the deal ? :(
[02:56] <MasterEvilAce> or does it take time for stuff to go to swap
[02:56] <XVampireX> Yeah, something is wrong
[02:56] <MasterEvilAce> you're wrong :(
[02:56] <klerfayt> I can't find /kde directory
[02:57] <XVampireX> I'm wrong?
[02:57] <XVampireX> lol
[02:57] <MasterEvilAce> it's /.kde
[02:57] <MasterEvilAce> it's hidden
[02:57] <XVampireX> ya
[02:57] <MasterEvilAce> XVampireX: lol no idea :)
[02:57] <klerfayt> no I mean /et/kde is like not full
[02:57] <XVampireX> Everything that has a prefix of . is hidden
[02:58] <MasterEvilAce> you know whats wrong?? baked cheetos chruncy.
[02:58] <MasterEvilAce> nasty.
[02:58] <klerfayt> where are kdm files?
[02:58] <XVampireX> KDE Desktop Manager I think
[02:58] <chavo> klerfayt, which files, the config file?
[02:58] <Hestia> klerfayt personally I look for kde in /opt/kde
[02:58] <Seantater> KDM fils are what are used by kdm (where you log in) to start kde and stuff
[02:59] <XVampireX> yeaaaaaaaaaah
[02:59] <chavo> klerfayt, the config files is /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:59] <MasterEvilAce> Seantater: so is that normal? my ram/swap usage
[02:59] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: yes, that's bormal
[02:59] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: normal even
[03:00] <klerfayt> actually they are in /usr/share/apps/kdm
[03:00] <MasterEvilAce> thanks
[03:00] <Seantater> MasterEvilAce: Linux won;t swap out until it has too, so if you try to open 2/3 prigrams right now, the swap stuff will change
[03:00] <MasterEvilAce> k
[03:00] <XVampireX> I'm going to think a little bit about the meaning of life
[03:01] <chavo> klerfayt, the themes and session files yes, but the main config file is in /etc
[03:01] <Seantater> XVampireX: take your time
[03:01] <klerfayt> is it what I see now "final artwork"?
[03:02] <Seantater> klerfayt: it probably will not change much before the final release if that's what you mean
[03:03] <klerfayt> Seantater: so the bubble will be in final?
[03:03] <MasterEvilAce> the RC's are already out.. so unlikely it would change
[03:03] <Seantater> klerfayt: pribably -- but I;m no expert
[03:03] <klerfayt> bubbles are lame
[03:03] <MasterEvilAce> you're lame
[03:03] <MasterEvilAce> what bubbles?
[03:04] <MasterEvilAce> wisdom teeth are the devils
[03:06] <klerfayt> if the keyword is "bubbles" then they should look around and see that bubbles can look better than they are in dapper rc
[03:06] <XVampireX> Seantater: 42!
[03:07] <MasterEvilAce> XVampireX: what was the question again? :P
[03:07] <XVampireX> The meaning of life
[03:07] <MasterEvilAce> well, yes..
[03:07] <MasterEvilAce> quite.
[03:08] <XVampireX> :D
[03:08] <XVampireX> http://members.cox.net/swt2/Tendrils/
[03:09] <MasterEvilAce> omg
[03:09] <XVampireX> Hell yeah
[03:09] <XVampireX> It's a nice game
[03:09] <arafat> hi! for no particular reason, my system switches to tty1 after booting but the window manager starts as usually. i then have to manually switch to tty7. can anyone help me with this?
[03:10] <XVampireX> Other than that stuff, everytime you find a chest you got a minigame
[03:11] <MasterEvilAce> the graphics are terrible, but it looks interesting
[03:11] <XVampireX> If I'd had an idea what tty1 is, I'd help you
[03:11] <Chousuke> tty1 is virtual console number one
[03:12] <Chousuke> try ctrl-alt-F1 in X. then alt-F7 to get back to X
[03:13] <arafat> Chousuke: i know how to switch between virtual consoles, the point is that my kubuntu does not switch automatically to tty7 after booting...
[03:15] <Chousuke> arafat: I was talking to XVampireX. :) I can't say anything about your problem :/
[03:15] <arafat> Chousuke: hups! sorry for that:-)
[03:15] <klerfayt_> !ghost
[03:15] <ubotu> ghost is, like, totally, type /msg nickserv GHOST <name> <password>
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> klerfayt: what is ghost ? for setting up unaffliated cloak ?
[03:16] <klerfayt> h3sp4wn: ghost is, like totally
[03:17] <XVampireX> Chousuke is smarter than me, all hail chousuke!
[03:17] <kosh> ghost allows you to disconnect someone using your nick
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> Ok
[03:19] <XVampireX> I'm going to help a restless soul rest in peace (Just kidding), see ya later people.
[03:23] <HumanPrototype> hi
[03:24] <HumanPrototype> I have managed to trash the file where dpkg/apt stores the information on what is installed - how do I regenerate this?
[03:24] <Bilford> if I want to make a script to download a webcam picture at set intervals, for example, should I use php
[03:24] <Bilford> using cron job
[03:25] <Bilford> im going to make live wallpaper
[03:25] <Bilford> what do most people use for a scripting language
[03:25] <Bilford> for their own computer
[03:25] <HumanPrototype> Bilford: You could use a shell script using wget to download it to a certain directory
[03:26] <Bilford> hm
[03:26] <Bilford> ok
[03:26] <HumanPrototype> Bilford: then just use the KDE live wallpaper thing
[03:26] <HumanPrototype> of course that assumes the webcam image name remains constant
[03:26] <Bilford> yeah, that might be good
[03:27] <Bilford> I wonder if kwebdesktop is already designed for this
[03:27] <Bilford> I dont understand the links in it
[03:27] <Bilford> kwebdesktop %x %y %f http://www.kde.org/
[03:28] <HumanPrototype> is it your webcam?
[03:28] <Bilford> no, scenic webcam
[03:28] <Bilford> the url is an image
[03:28] <HumanPrototype> is the image name the same or does it change when a new photo is uploaded?
[03:28] <Bilford> same, but I want to archive them with timestamps
[03:29] <Bilford> I guess I could do that in shell too
[03:29] <elkbuntu> is there a nice big version of the kubuntu logo (well, the cogs part) around somewhere?
[03:29] <Bilford> elkbuntu, try  www.kde-look.org
[03:33] <Bilford> Ive never written a shell script before
[03:33] <HumanPrototype> Bilford:
[03:34] <HumanPrototype> Bilford: ok then : start here: http://linuxcommand.org
[03:34] <Bilford> ty
[03:36] <Bilford> wow
[03:36] <Bilford> thats a first
[03:36] <Bilford> I already wrote a shell script that downloaded the image
[03:36] <Bilford> worked first time
[03:37] <HumanPrototype> Bilford: well done - did you manage timestamping?
[03:37] <Bilford> no
[03:37] <Bilford> it just downloaded the image with wget
[03:37] <HumanPrototype> Bilford: also to save bandwidth if you add the -N option to wget it will only download it if the remote image is newer than the local one
[03:38] <Bilford> nice
[03:38] <SkrotFFS> Is there a system information program in (k)ubuntu to tell me what kind of ram I've got in my computer etc?
[03:38] <elkbuntu> bilford: i was surprised there's not a logos page for the kubuntu logo on the kubuntu wiki. quite ironic really. as for kde-look i cant seem to find an unadulterated version of the logo :(
[03:39] <HumanPrototype> elkbuntu: try looking for kubuntu artwork on the wiki
[03:39] <HumanPrototype> Bilford: how often is the image updated and what is the url you are downloading from?
[03:40] <Bilford> I wrote a program on Windows 6 years ago that did this
[03:41] <Bilford> I'll use various images
[03:41] <Bilford> thers tons of good webcams out there
[03:41] <Bilford> that make good wallpaper
[03:45] <elkbuntu> thanks HumanPrototype, found a .svg i can manipulate :)
[03:45] <xwolf-> where do i change KDE's focus policy?
[03:46] <chavo> elkbuntu, there's some logos in /usr/share/example-content as well
[03:46] <xwolf-> nevermin.
[03:46] <xwolf-> *mind
[03:48] <elkbuntu> chavo, ah, thanks for the tip. i dont actually have kubuntu installed, since it's not my personal choice, i'm just whipping up some propaganda to distribute with cds, i'll put it all up somewhere when i get all the versions finished
[03:48] <chavo> ah ok
[03:49] <elkbuntu> http://meldra.no-ip.info/propaganda.pdf is the plain ubuntu version. just got to edit it re: architecture types and logos
[03:52] <HumanPrototype> elkbuntu: sure thing
[03:53] <elkbuntu> any other things i need to change would be good too. such as the GAIM location in menus
[04:06] <yogi> Having trouble with /dev/hdc: "[4294944:309000]  hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason 0x01)
[04:07] <yogi> I am pretty sure the drive is 'on its way out' and am wondering if there is an easy way to software disconnect it from the distro
[04:07] <HumanPrototype> yogi: where is it mounted?
[04:07] <yogi> HumanPrototype:Inside the box of my notebook.  If I knew how to crack the case I'd simply unplug ig.
[04:08] <yogi> "it" (sorry)
[04:08] <HumanPrototype> yogi: lol, i meant is it your only hard drive?
[04:08] <yogi> Nope.. using an external Pioneer DVR-11D almost exclusively.  Have rarely used this internal in a couple months.
[04:09] <yogi> It isn't a hard drive... it's a CDRW/DVDRW drive.  /dev/hdc.
[04:11] <crabgrass> is anyone here using zope on kubuntu ?
[04:12] <yogi> crabgrass:I think someone is on the e-mail forum...
[04:15] <HumanPrototype> I have managed to trash the file where dpkg/apt stores the information on what is installed - how do I regenerate this?
[04:17] <yogi> HumanPrototype:Guess you don't know the answer to my query, huh? lol  I'm 'fraid I don't know for yours, either.  Perhaps apt-get update??  Does that square everything away?  Hm.
[04:17] <elkbuntu> is 'applications > internet > GAIM internet messenger' accurate for kubuntu?
[04:17] <HumanPrototype> yogi: try removing references to /dev/hdc in /etc/fstab
[04:18] <yogi> Okay... Was wondering if deleting same in udev rules might help??
[04:18] <yogi> Bye... lol
[04:19] <chavo> elkbuntu, gaim isn't installed by deafult on kubuntu
[04:20] <elkbuntu> chavo, what is there for irc by default then?
[04:20] <chavo> konversation
[04:20] <elkbuntu> menu path?
[04:20] <chavo> Applications -> Internet -> Konversation
[04:20] <elkbuntu> thx
[04:21] <chavo> np
[04:21] <drix> Once I'm in KDE, how do I remove GNOME?
[04:21] <chavo> and it's set up to connect to freenode and join #kubuntu
[04:23] <nolte> sudo apt-put gnome ;-)
[04:23] <ubuntu> one partition /home for one installation ubuntu and one installation kubuntu it's possible?
[04:31] <apokryphos> guys, the artwork in dapper is pretty bad :)
[04:31] <pekuja> is there a handy way to hibernate/suspend my system? it's not a laptop
[04:32] <pekuja> I know I could echo "disk" to /sys/power/state as root, but that's not very handy
[04:33] <Cyph3r> does anyone know if there's a program that can check and repair PAR2 files but for X?
[04:34] <chavo> apokryphos, yeah thw wallpaper is ok, but the rest is iffy
[04:35] <apokryphos> don't even like the wallpaper that much. It's a curious blue, too prominent, not smooth enough
[04:35] <apokryphos> blue is great, but you'd need a more neutral blue for the walllpaper
[04:36] <chavo> yeah well it kind of grows on you, and it's usually covered by windows anyway
[04:36] <apokryphos> the same background on the amarok stylesheet looks just plain out of place, too
[04:36] <apokryphos> chavo: oh I wouldn't keep it a second longer ;-)
[04:36] <chavo> the konqueror wallpaper now that's ugly
[04:37] <apokryphos> looks kinda bad too
[04:38] <huhmz> How does one get KDE to lock the desktop after x minutes of inactivity? I can't find the setting
[04:38] <apokryphos> I hate to say this, but almost all the art decisions in dapper I find really curious. The bootup screen is a clear bright-blue-overload (a new user who doesn't use it at all even say, "that's ugly"), the kdm screen is weird (i.e. button to log in)
[04:38] <apokryphos> and the splash screen is just not very nice 8)
[04:39] <apokryphos> huhmz: screensaver
[04:39] <apokryphos> *even said
[04:39] <huhmz> yeah im looking at the screensaver options but hell if i can find it
[04:39] <chavo> I kind of like the kdm theme and splashscreen
[04:39] <apokryphos> huhmz: "reuire password after...."
[04:40] <apokryphos> huhmz: it's really odd. They should've gone for one more like ubuntu's or xubuntu's
[04:40] <apokryphos> big ones like that always work better
[04:40] <huhmz> apokryphos: i still can't find it
[04:40] <huhmz> i have a bunch of screensavers to choose from and a "setup" and a "test" button
[04:41] <apokryphos> huhmz: it's below "Start automatically after"
[04:41] <apokryphos> below that
[04:41] <chavo> hmm, my screensavers section is empty
[04:41] <huhmz> ahh well not on my kubuntu it aint
[04:41] <apokryphos> screeny?
[04:41] <apokryphos> and hmm, configure desktop crashes when I go to the screensaver section :)
[04:42] <chavo> but there there for my test user
[04:42] <chavo> they are there
[04:42] <apokryphos> chavo: k menu > system settings > desktop > screensaver
[04:42] <apokryphos> if it's not there, could you provide a screenshot?
[04:42] <apokryphos> hopefully see a little more of what's going on
[04:42] <chavo> yeah I get the settings, just no screensavers in the list
[04:43] <apokryphos> oh
[04:43] <apokryphos> hm
[04:43] <apokryphos> chavo: is kscreensaver installed?
[04:43] <chavo> yeah, it's all there for another user
[04:47] <apokryphos> well, at least kubuntu and ubuntu have a closer connection
[04:47] <apokryphos> almost all the gnome users I spoke to in -offtopic hated the gnome-ubuntu artwork in dapper :P
[04:52] <|robert|> about the shipit for kubuntu cds. I cannot login, but I can login to the launchpad and the ubuntu ship it. I get an permission denied error message after entering my email/password
[04:52] <|robert|> anyone the same problems?
[05:12] <uwo> hi all - i am now going (hopefully) to compile xdocker. it is said i should ./configure with --disable-debug --prefix=$KDEDIR ($KDEDIR as the default kde directory installation); what is this directory in Kubuntu??
[05:13] <klerfayt> as soon as I quit amarok gam_server will smap my .xsession-errors
[05:15] <chavo> uwo it's /usr
[05:15] <uwo> chavo:tnx
[05:15] <chavo> np
[05:16] <klerfayt> how do I turn off gam_server?
[05:20] <pekay> hey anyone know some bandwidth monitor app?
[05:21] <McNutella> somethins up here.. i updated my Kovernsation to latest, and now ubuntu wants to remove it, and wont let me unmark it for removal :(
[05:27] <leafw> can someone help with dnsmasq for mac-on-linux
[05:29] <NthDegree> leafw why mac on linux?
[05:30] <NthDegree> Mac OS X is basically a *nix OS
[05:30] <leafw> Photoshop. Flash.
[05:30] <leafw> problem is, can't get the DNS resolved propelry
[05:31] <leafw> my domain port is used by some localhost.locald:domain daemon
[05:31] <leafw> of which I know nothing about
[05:32] <leafw> so the idea is, can the dnsmaq be binded to the tun0 or eth0, or how should that be configured properly.
[05:33] <regeya> wish I could help...for me, dnsmasq just works...you might try running dnsmasq again after you start up mol
[05:33] <leafw> regeya: I do a restart, but it fails:
[05:33] <leafw> " Address already in use "
[05:33] <leafw> as I said, the locald is using it
[05:33] <regeya> bummer.
[05:33] <leafw> but what is locald ?
[05:34] <regeya> oh, sorry...should have specified...I use dnsmasq, but not mol.  x86 here. :-(  sorry.
[05:34] <leafw> no problem
[05:34] <leafw> soon I'll use a x86 too
[05:34] <leafw> but not this needs to be working
[05:34] <leafw> s/not/now
[05:34] <regeya> and I was thinking ipmasq for some reason...three day weekend indeed...I've been doing work-related stuff almost all weekend, and about to cancel out on my plans for the day.
[05:36] <leafw> the mol channel is silent like the dead
[05:36] <leafw> not that many people is using mol at all, in any case ...
[05:36] <GazzaK> erm, whats mol?
[05:37] <leafw> mol=mac-onl-inux
[05:37] <leafw> runs macosx native, but sandboxed.
[05:37] <GazzaK> ahhh
[05:46] <McNutella> stupid question alert: how would I be able to host my domain (.co.uk) from home, instead of that big greedy company that has it.
[05:47] <h3sp4wn> Check its not against the terms and conditions of your connection first (probably is unless you have a business connection)
[05:47] <klerfayt> strange that I can't specify kubuntu version then creating bug
[05:52] <martinjh99> Allo... What package is the perl module XML::Parser in??
[05:53] <leafw> McNutella: that's easy: in the DNS of your internet domain, you point to your home IP
[05:53] <martinjh99> Never mind might have it...
[05:53] <yogi>  I have Kubuntu installed and, on the somewhat-rare occasion I get a mouse that won't respond.  I'm talking about the inability to click on a button and have it 'take'.  The fix seems to be to set the pointer on a taskbar icon & right-click it a few times until I get the right-click menu ...then it works on clicking the button in question. The system is completely up-to-date.
[05:53] <leafw> McNutella: be aware that you will have ZERO protection against lots of, at the moment, 'invisible' attacks (DDoS, massive spam, ...)
[05:54] <leafw> McNutella : which the web hosting provider is doing for you
[05:54] <McNutella> one and one (unfortunatly)
[05:55] <McNutella> it surely cant be that easy though.. as Id want to be behind my domain, instead of my current ip address, leafw
[05:56] <leafw> McNutella : your domain is your IP, the name just points to it in the public DNS servers.
[05:56] <leafw> it is really easy indeed, if you ISP provides a static address to you. Otherwise you have to keep updating the DNS servers.
[05:57] <leafw> sorry, "youR ISP"
[05:57] <McNutella> im not sure im understanding this fully my friend :S
[05:57] <leafw> how the internet works: there are seevral computers out there that have a list of numbers (IP adresses) matches to names (e.g. google.com)
[05:58] <McNutella> yes
[05:58] <leafw> your ISP (internet service provider) gives you an IP number
[05:58] <Terminus> McNutella: you can get a domain from somewhere like dyndns.org and have it point to your ip address. :)
[05:58] <McNutella> thats right
[05:58] <DeadS0ul> there you go
[05:58] <MartYanu> 'lo
[05:58] <DeadS0ul> =P
[05:58] <leafw> all you have to do is to register mydomain.com and adjust its DNS IP numbers to point to your home IP.
[05:58] <DeadS0ul> oi
[05:58] <DeadS0ul> keep that mirc crap away from me
[05:58] <Terminus> McNutella: they can even handle dynamic dns, so the domain will always point to you even if your IP address changes.
[05:58] <McNutella> leafw,  I dont think that would allow traffic to come and go from my box though in both watch
[05:59] <Terminus> dynamic ip addresses i mena.
[05:59] <Terminus> s/mena/mean/
[05:59] <McNutella> as i think one and one only allow www traffic to DNS and nothing else
[06:00] <dzachry> Do you know of an Adept Repository that would have mySQL 5.x? My Adept Manager is still on mySQL 4.x.
[06:01] <DeadS0ul> dzachry: you can try looking for the package somewhere else
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Hello
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Anyone know how to configure kweather?
[06:08] <DeadS0ul> I think I got it working once
[06:08] <DeadS0ul> ...typed in the code for my region, ..it didn't work, but after I closed it and restarted it, it worked fine
[06:08] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[06:08] <DaSkreech> klerfayt: How can I get it to work?
[06:08] <McNutella> DaSkreech, right click it and chose your town/city from settings
[06:09] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: it's a little buggy at start
[06:09] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: I can get it to work in 3 configurations...
[06:11] <DaSkreech> McNutella: You mean under Display or under weather service?
[06:11] <DaSkreech> DeadS0ul: See Mine is the opposite
[06:11] <McNutella> whichever one lets you chose stuff DaSkreech
[06:11] <DaSkreech> I typed it in and it worked and as soon as I closed it ti went away
[06:12] <DaSkreech> McNutella: They both do
[06:12] <McNutella> meh, sorry, I cant be of help then
[06:12] <DaSkreech> McNutella: one gives me an option for a station the other .. .Oh wait a statin as well
[06:12] <DaSkreech> station
[06:12] <DeadS0ul> weird crap
[06:12] <DeadS0ul> but I used my ages ago
[06:12] <DeadS0ul> and on debian. not on kubuntu
[06:13] <kkathman> why is it that when I try to download a superkaramba file, skz, it opens kate and thus keeps the file from being saved?
[06:13] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: lol.I guess I was wrong I can't even configure it
[06:13] <DaSkreech> I can select a station in Weather service
[06:13] <kkathman> it didnt used to do this
[06:14] <DaSkreech> In Display it only comes up as Unknown and I can't change it or input anything
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I'm guessing that it's displaying unknonw since all my weather is ????
[06:14] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: try to remove t from panel and add it back
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Yeah did that
[06:14] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: or even better add 2 locations
[06:14] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: that should fix this bug
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Under Weather sation I assume
[06:18] <DaSkreech> klerfayt: Same issue
[06:18] <DaSkreech> as soon as I ok it my location disappears
[06:18] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: then log out
[06:18] <DaSkreech> of KDE?
[06:19] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: yeah
[06:20] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: log in/out a few times
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Thats kind of an annoying solution
[06:20] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: it should fix it :)
[06:22] <klerfayt> ok here we go - I added kweather to my panel but "configure" window is complitely empty
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Log out and in a couple times :)
[06:23] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: I can't at the moment
[06:23] <klerfayt> is where a way to restart kweather?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> There is a restart button but it's dead
[06:24] <DaSkreech> apt-get purge?
[06:26] <_unknown> hi
[06:27] <_unknown> Hi
[06:27] <_unknown> Is anyone here?
[06:28] <imbrandon> sure
[06:28] <imbrandon> whats up ?
[06:28] <_unknown> Fine
[06:29] <_unknown> By the way, it's me xvampirex just that I'm at my friends place, trying to set kubuntu for him but there seems to be a little problem with aptitude
[06:29] <_unknown> The internet seems to be working fine, but aptitude is having problem with finding the repositories to update
[06:31] <_unknown> It thinks the repositories are at that address: 1.0.0.0
[06:31] <imbrandon> sounds like you have dns issues
[06:32] <_unknown> yeah
[06:32] <_unknown> What can I do?
[06:33] <DeadS0ul> you don't have fucked up enteries in your hosts file do you?
[06:33] <imbrandon> check your dns settings , try other dns servers, call your isp make sure they dont have dns probblems etc
[06:34] <_unknown> Where are the dns settings?
[06:34] <_unknown> And we can surf the web just fine it seems, just the repositories
[06:34] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: is it working now?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> klerfayt: Yes I'm getting reports for Williams Field in antartica :-)
[06:35] <imbrandon> _unknown, have you checked your sources.list ? what about apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:35] <_unknown> imbrandon: When I do update, that's where it thinks the IP of the repositories is 1.0.0.0
[06:36] <imbrandon> you said in aptitude though
[06:36] <imbrandon> not apt-get
[06:36] <_unknown> apt-get is aptitude more or less
[06:36] <imbrandon> more or less but its still not
[06:36] <_unknown> Fine, okey
[06:36] <imbrandon> brb
[06:36] <_unknown> Either way, it does it in apt-get, aptitude, adept
[06:37] <imbrandon> ok what aobut your sources.list can you get to those address in a web browser? have you tried diffrent repos ?
[06:37] <uniq> _unknown: try 'host archive.ubuntu.com' in konsole.
[06:37] <_unknown> ;; Warning: Message parser reports malformed message packet.
[06:38] <_unknown> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Kalimoto is gone?
[06:38] <imbrandon> host us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:39] <_unknown> same thing
[06:39] <_unknown> though it finds the IP supposedly, weird, I can even go to the addresses through a web browser
[06:40] <DaSkreech> They removed Kalilmotot from examples?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Kalimoto?
[06:40] <DaSkreech>  :-(
[06:40] <imbrandon> yup seems strange _unknown , i seem to get to it no problems, looks like you have some isp issues, try it from another computer in the house
[06:41] <_unknown> No other computers
[06:43] <_unknown> How do I get to that hosts file?
[06:44] <imbrandon> if you dident edit it then it should be stock, no problems, but its /etc/hosts
[06:44] <_unknown> Nope, didn't play with it, and it's a fresh install
[06:44] <_unknown> kubuntu 5.10 though
[06:44] <osh_> Is there a "portfolio" program, equal to the one in MS-Windows? And please don't say rsync.
[06:45] <Kmirno> Salutations
[06:45] <imbrandon> _unknown, is there a reason you dident use the RC ?
[06:45] <_unknown> Yeah, it didn't seem to want to enter
[06:45] <DaSkreech> Anyone follows the examples folder?
[06:46] <imbrandon> osh_, what one on ms windows
[06:46] <osh_> imbrandon: The "portfolio" thingy that syncs say a laptop with a central server.
[06:47] <imbrandon> ok like i said thats a 3rd party app so i need a name
[06:47] <imbrandon> that isnt "part" of windows
[06:47] <imbrandon> what does it sync ?
[06:48] <imbrandon> a pde ? your mail ? a folder ?
[06:48] <imbrandon> a pda ?
[06:48] <_unknown> so any idea?
[06:48] <osh_> imbrandon: if it's not part of windows then it's part of office. It's more or less standard on any windows machine. I think it's called "portfolio" but I'm not sure about that since it's localized on the machine I watched.
[06:49] <imbrandon> _unknown, no no idea about breezy , havent used it in montha and no way to test it here but i waould assume you have isp issues, also i would figure out whats wrong with your RC attempts rather than falling back on the old release
[06:49] <_unknown> Alright, I'll try to get on RC and maybe install it, bbl
[06:50] <imbrandon> osh_, no i havent seen it on windows at all and all my work computers workstations run windows with office, thats why i was asking WHAT it syncs
[06:50] <osh_> imbrandon: I'm not srue exactly what it syncs but I'd settle for something that just syncs files with a central server. somethign like rsync but with a kde-gui that finds the newest version of a file and syncs on that.
[06:50] <imbrandon> hehe ok google a frontend for rsync ;)
[06:51] <osh_> imbrandon: yes, but rsync is just a mirroring tool, I want something that keeps two (or more) directories in sync so that I can update a file on either place.
[06:52] <imbrandon> osh_,  looks like google has lots of apps with "rsync gui" here is one http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[06:53] <imbrandon> osh_, run rsync both ways , that will work but honestly i have never seen what you are asking aobut on windows OR linux
[06:54] <GaiaX11> Every time that i try to access my mail inbox kopete lauchs konqueror, but i'd like to change the kopete default browser to another one. How can i do that?
[06:54] <imbrandon> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/  <looks like what you want osh_
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> osh_: Ifolder enterprise server
[06:54] <imbrandon> Unison is a file-synchronization tool for Unix and Windows. It allows two replicas of a collection of files and directories to be stored on different hosts (or different disks on the same host), modified separately, and then brought up to date by propagating the changes in each replica to the other.
[06:55] <h3sp4wn> osh_: Novell/Suse has open sourced it now (problem is it it uses mono and hence is pretty inefficient when it comes to resource usage)
[06:56] <h3sp4wn> osh_: http://www.ifolder.com/index.php/IFolder_Server
[06:56] <imbrandon> looks like there are pkgs in the repos too sudo apt-cache search unison
[06:57] <osh_> imbrandon: unison looks like what I want, but the gui is horrible... ;-)
[06:57] <imbrandon> osh_, then try ifolder , agin google is your friend
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Is Daper going to upgrade to the new apt from debian?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> please please please please say yes
[06:58] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, dapper has been in a version freeze for weeks now
[06:58] <h3sp4wn> the one which uses diffs ?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> Awww cmon
[06:58] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: Yeah that one!!
[06:59] <MZM> is possible to get back file names on EXT3 after fsck from lost+found? I have some +k files and only some of them matter...
[06:59] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Can't we backport it before wednesday?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> :-D
[06:59] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, no ;)
[06:59] <osh_> imbrandon: ifolder looks better but is probably overkill from what I can see. it requires a server from what I can see. But i'll check it out. Thanks for your help.
[06:59] <DaSkreech> But diffs are so cool :-(
[06:59] <osh_> h3sp4wn: and thanks to you too.
[07:00] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: So  there is no possibility of it entering dapper?
[07:00] <imbrandon> not by release, maybe a backport in months to come
[07:00] <h3sp4wn> Does it not require server support also ?
[07:00] <distanceisdeath> does anyone know how to install kde from gnome?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> ok where do I vote for it?
[07:01] <osh_> distanceisdeath: sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <imbrandon> distanceisdeath, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:01] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: good question
[07:01] <distanceisdeath> thank you
[07:01] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: How Come ubotu doesn't have an answer to that question yet?
[07:02] <imbrandon> !kde
[07:02] <imbrandon> dunno i'll make one now
[07:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[07:02] <distanceisdeath> osh....what do i do now?
[07:02] <distanceisdeath> log out and change the session?
[07:02] <osh_> distanceisdeath: if it's updated already then yes.
[07:03] <distanceisdeath> all right cool
[07:04] <imbrandon> !+kubuntu-dekstop
[07:04] <ubotu> imbrandon: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:05] <imbrandon> !+kubuntu-desktop
[07:05] <ubotu> hmm... kubuntu-desktop is type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" without the quotes in a terminal to install Kubuntu along side Ubuntu
[07:05] <TeZaLO> hi?
[07:05] <imbrandon> hello
[07:07] <distanceisdeath> osh,  how do you update the installation?
[07:08] <macd> imbrandon: I know your no X11 expert but you wanna take a gander at my Xorg.0.log, Im getting a new error now which means I solved the last ;)
[07:08] <imbrandon> distanceisdeath, type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" with no quotes
[07:08] <imbrandon> macd sure
[07:09] <macd> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/744292
[07:09] <macd> much appreciated
[07:09] <distanceisdeath> im talking about updating the kubuntu installation
[07:09] <distanceisdeath> kde***
[07:09] <imbrandon> yes distanceisdeath
[07:09] <imbrandon> that will update kde and everything
[07:09] <distanceisdeath> sorry, just kde
[07:09] <distanceisdeath> im running gnome
[07:09] <distanceisdeath> all right
[07:10] <distanceisdeath> brandon is this gonna update me to dapper?
[07:10] <distanceisdeath> nevermind
[07:10] <distanceisdeath> it didnt
[07:10] <imbrandon> not unlesss you put dapper in your sources.list
[07:11] <distanceisdeath> okay
[07:11] <imbrandon> macd, it looks as though something is not correct in your "Section Screen" part of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf but honestly i couldent tell you what
[07:11] <_unknown> where can  I put the ISP's dns addresses?
[07:12] <macd> yeah I've been trying to change stuff around there....with little of no success
[07:12] <macd> and ideas who would know?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> !kubuntu-desktop
[07:12] <ubotu> somebody said kubuntu-desktop was type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" without the quotes in a terminal to install Kubuntu along side Ubuntu
[07:12] <DaSkreech> ah
[07:12] <imbrandon> _unknown, /etc/resolv.conf
[07:12] <imbrandon> brb
[07:12] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Whats the difference with the + in front?
[07:12] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:13] <GazzaK> imbrandon: hi, have you got a link to that xbox stuff you were talking about?
[07:13] <macd> appeasre to be nothing @ DaSkreech  both seem to produce same output from uboto
[07:14] <Paradosso> hi there
[07:14] <_unknown> how is /etc/resolv.conf supposed to look like together with the DNS? am I suppose to add any commands to the dns?
[07:14] <TeZaLO> somebody speaks spanish?
[07:14] <Paradosso> firefox 1.5.0.3 keeps giving me segmentation fault in dapper
[07:15] <Paradosso> anybody experienced the same?
[07:16] <distanceisdeath> brandon....i installed kde and did the update you said to do
[07:16] <distanceisdeath> but it doesnt ask me to switch to kde or gnome
[07:16] <_unknown> we fixed it :D
[07:17] <brandon> what?
[07:17] <brandon> i didn't tell you to do jack squat
[07:17] <Paradosso> _unknown: who are you talking to?
[07:17] <distanceisdeath> the imbrandon
[07:17] <_unknown> Yeah, we fixed the dns thingy
[07:17] <distanceisdeath> sorry i didnt know there was brandon and imbrandon
[07:17] <brandon> k
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Amarok is KDE4 :)
[07:21] <distanceisdeath> so how do you switch from gnome to kde with kde all ready instaleld
[07:21] <distanceisdeath> installed*
[07:22] <corey> anyone installed kubuntu desktop from dapper?
[07:23] <yuriy> distanceisdeath: log out, click on the menu or sessions button (dunno what it is in gdm) and pick kde
[07:28] <macd> corey, you have a base dapper system and want to install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:28] <distanceisdeath> i did, and kde wasnt there
[07:28] <imbrandon> then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop wasent done installing
[07:29] <macd> that would be very odd considering kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage for x/kde/openoffice/k-everything
[07:29] <macd> from a base install kubuntu-desktop is ~400 packages, ~440Mb
[07:29] <macd> so it does take a little while
[07:31] <macd> imbrandon: who in kubuntu-devel deals with X stuff?
[07:31] <imbrandon> not sure
[07:31] <imbrandon> devel chan isnt for support though ;(
[07:32] <_unknown> reiserfs seems to be much faster than ext3
[07:32] <imbrandon> hehe yea i ddent say you wouldent get help, just said it isnt for support
[07:32] <_unknown> Yeah, not technical support
[07:33] <macd> I havent tried the forums yet for support, that might be my next place (at least not posting, Ive read so much its silly)
[07:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I am really discouraged with Kubuntu
[07:33] <imbrandon> how so Jack_Sparrow
[07:33] <Jack_Sparrow> First time I installed I told it to use the boot sector for dual boot
[07:33] <Jack_Sparrow> It trashed my XP install
[07:34] <macd> coulda been worse, it could have left it untouched ;)
[07:34] <godlkwrth> lol
[07:34] <Jack_Sparrow> I reinstalled XP and second time I installed KU I told it to use a floppy and it still trashed XP
[07:34] <shawn____> oh burn... call the fire dept on that one lol
[07:34] <imbrandon> trashed your xp install ? WOW i have never seen it do that, specialy if you just told it to use the boot sector, more likely you couldent GET to your xp install
[07:35] <macd> Jack_Sparrow: Ive actualy never had a problem with grub, back in the days of lilo yeah I saw a few trashed
[07:35] <osh_> Jack_Sparrow: What version of kubuntu is this? Breezy or Dapper?
[07:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Breezy
[07:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Never had Mepis or Knoppix trash my XP on a HD install
[07:35] <macd> Does grub have a entry for windows XP ?
[07:35] <imbrandon> Jack_Sparrow, why dont you leave it to let it do its default things for hd0 it will handel dual boot gracefully
[07:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Yep it had an entry for XP
[07:35] <macd> and what would it do when you selected the XO entry?
[07:35] <macd> XP*
[07:35] <osh_> Jack_Sparrow: Odd. I did the same and my XP is ok.
[07:36] <Jack_Sparrow> Funny or not so funny.. The floppy install will let me get to XP if I use the boot floppy but not if I remove the floppy
[07:36] <Jack_Sparrow> I would assume that If I installed grub to the floppy it would not mess with my XP
[07:37] <imbrandon> ahh then you just fubard your grub install, not xp or kubuntu , you are better off letting it default
[07:37] <Jack_Sparrow> That is how I lost XP the first time with default install
[07:37] <imbrandon> no you said you told it to use the boot sector
[07:37] <regenkind> hi, i'm having a problem with my akregator, has anyone time to help a bit? I'm using dapper and i don't see any rss feeds / news...
[07:37] <imbrandon> grub defaults to the mbr
[07:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey imbrandon I was looking for you..
[07:38] <Jack_Sparrow> THe first install was full default
[07:38] <imbrandon> was looking for me ?
[07:38] <Jack_Sparrow> imbrandon:  yes was told you helped a guy setup the XP look from kde-look.org
[07:39] <imbrandon> heh ;)
[07:39] <imbrandon> not from kde-look.org i do a custom one myself
[07:39] <regenkind> any ideas? Please?
[07:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I'm not upset about the xp install, I can go that in my sleep..
[07:39] <Jack_Sparrow> Set everything to redmond
[07:39] <imbrandon> not exactly
[07:40] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot2.png
[07:40] <imbrandon> http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/snapshot1.png
[07:40] <Jel> how would i go about installing opera in kubuntu ?
[07:40] <imbrandon> thats a cupple screenshots of my theme
[07:40] <Jel> :)
[07:40] <imbrandon> Jel, grab the debs from opera
[07:41] <shawn____> i just used the installer
[07:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Cool, could you help me with it, or do you have a readme
[07:41] <imbrandon> i can help you install it in a bit, i need to grab some lunch right now, you be arround later ?
[07:41] <Jack_Sparrow> Sure when you have time..
[07:41] <imbrandon> where did you get my name ? kde-look.org ?
[07:41] <Jack_Sparrow> SO Cal here
[07:42] <Jack_Sparrow> No here in channel
[07:42] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[07:42] <Jel> so i get the ubuntu installer from opera ?
[07:42] <imbrandon> ok yea i'll be back in about an hour
[07:42] <imbrandon> Jel, yes
[07:42] <regenkind> bye
[07:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Been in and out these last two days playing with ku
[07:42] <Jel> they've only got it listed for 5.1 breezy badger
[07:42] <Jack_Sparrow> Thanks
[07:42] <Jel> as the latest
[07:42] <Jel> will that work ok ?
[07:42] <imbrandon> Jel, thats ok, should work with dapper fine
[07:43] <Jack_Sparrow> Have a good lunch
[07:43] <Jack_Sparrow> IF I dont answer right away I am over in Mepis
[07:43] <Jel> does anyone here use opera ?
[07:44] <shawn____> yes
[07:44] <Jel> i usually use firefox on my windows box..
[07:44] <Jel> and firefox is MUCH better than ie
[07:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Firefox is best
[07:44] <imbrandon> so use firefox in dapper ;)
[07:44] <Jel> how does opera stack up to firefox ?
[07:44] <Jack_Sparrow> No comparison
[07:44] <Jel> some people i asked reckon its better
[07:45] <Jack_Sparrow> I used it until I found Firefox
[07:45] <Jel> ie. doesnt crash as much
[07:45] <Jel> currently just use konqueror
[07:45] <dickhall> I liked opera when I used it, and I used opera on OSX until firefox stopped being so crappy on that platform
[07:45] <shawn____> ya seems to have more webpage issues but if those were gone I'd use it 100%
[07:45] <dickhall> but firefox offers all the same features with plugins, and is way more configurable
[07:45] <imbrandon> i never have firefox crash, the poeple i have found that firefox crashes for use extensions
[07:45] <dickhall> I use extensions, but usually very popular ones and nothing too homebrew
[07:46] <dickhall> but I don't have crashing issues
[07:46] <Jel> shawn - what seems to hav emore webpage issues? firefox or opera ?
[07:46] <shawn____> I'm using a weekly build http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/
[07:46] <imbrandon> opera has webpage rendering issues
[07:46] <shawn____> opera just slightly though
[07:46] <dickhall> I've heard that opera has issues
[07:46] <dickhall> I don't see many issues at all in Firefox
[07:46] <frank_> imbrandon: yeah my firefox used to crash all the time but not anymore now I have just 2 extensions. I still don't know which extension made it crash before
[07:46] <dickhall> and for coding, firefox seems to adhere to standards way more than opera
[07:47] <Jel> im using konqueror atm
[07:47] <Jel> ANYTHING must be better than it
[07:47] <Jel> :P
[07:47] <dickhall> just my personal experience though. my company's javascript-heavy product UI looks fine in firefox / ie, looks pretty bad in opera
[07:48] <shawn____> ya konqueror has been pretty crashy lately
[07:48] <dickhall> I haven't used konq much (though I use it as a file browser), but I like the "command keys" features
[07:49] <Jel> wtf do command keys do ?
[07:49] <Jel> i see it pop up
[07:50] <dickhall> press one of the letters
[07:50] <Jel> it just does random crap
[07:50] <dickhall> random? for me, it does keyboard-driven link following
[07:50] <Jel> ahhh i c
[07:51] <dickhall> i.e. you press "N" and it goes to the link that N is over
[07:51] <Jel> :P
[07:51] <dickhall> yeah, I quite like it, especially for things like API references
[07:51] <dickhall> though I'm very keyboard centric - always on a CLI, mutt's my mail client, and I used to use Ratpoison as a WM
[07:52] <imbrandon> omg i havent seen anyone actualy USE ratpoison in a long time ;)
[07:52] <dickhall> heh
[07:52] <Jel> i've never heard of ratpoison
[07:52] <Jel> o_O
[07:52] <dickhall> google it ;)
[07:53] <HG> hi
[07:53] <osh_> dickhall: then you probably love the "new" konqueror? The one that has letters attached to all links for easy keyboard navigation. I know I love it. =)
[07:53] <dickhall> a bunch of people here (at work) used to use it, but we've gradually switched off
[07:53] <dickhall> the guy who wrote ratpoison used to work here (the great Shawn Betts)
[07:53] <HG> i have a problem with wmware work station
[07:53] <HG> i can't install it in dapper
[07:53] <DaSkreech> h3sp4wn: The servers need to have the difss on them
[07:53] <imbrandon> HG, try vmware player ( free ) or vmware server ( free ) , we dont condone warez
[07:53] <HG> it says can't copy file
[07:54] <dickhall> imbrandon: he could have bought it ;)
[07:54] <Jel> ratpoison looks horrible o_O
[07:54] <osh_> HG: Disk full?
[07:54] <dickhall> takes some getting used to
[07:54] <imbrandon> dickhall, then he would be on the vmware support forum ;)
[07:54] <HG> osh
[07:54] <dickhall> but it's quite good for what it's for
[07:54] <HG> no
[07:54] <imbrandon> HG, try vmware player ( free ) or vmware server ( free ) , we dont condone warez
[07:54] <imbrandon> they both install fine in dapper
[07:54] <HG> same with vmplayer
[07:55] <HG> im :)
[07:55] <dickhall> there we go, sounds like a dapper issue ;)
[07:55] <imbrandon> are you installing with "sudo ./installer ' ?
[07:55] <HG> with sudo bash
[07:55] <HG> and then ./vmware... install
[07:55] <HG> but it does work on my kub
[07:55] <imbrandon> kub ?
[07:56] <HG> i have an AMD
[07:56] <HG> kubuntu
[07:56] <imbrandon> amd or intell dosent matter
[07:56] <HG> im : riri
[07:56] <shawn____> has anyone here used dedian etch? I want some opinions on how it compares to kubuntu
[07:56] <shawn____> *debian
[07:56] <HG> it worked one
[07:56] <HG> once
[07:56] <imbrandon> shawn____, it compares as in thats what ubuntu was based off of long ago but is newer packages
[07:56] <HG> my son reinstall kubuntu
[07:56] <HG> and he has got the same problem
[07:57] <dickhall> Jel: the reason ratpoison was written (besides as a way to flex TGSB's lisp skills) was to function as a no-nonsense, lightweight window manager that doesn't have any distractions, which allows you to concentrate on a single thing at a time when you're programming while stoned
[07:57] <imbrandon> HG, whats the error
[07:57] <dickhall> (true story)
[07:57] <shawn____> imbrandon: yes I know that
[07:57] <HG> can't copy file
[07:57] <pablet> hello, anyone knows when will we be able to install xgl with apt and get it automatically configured?
[07:57] <shawn____> imbrandon: I was looking for a bit more insight then that
[07:57] <HG> and says he has /etc/init.d/vmware
[07:57] <imbrandon> pablet, edgy ;)
[07:57] <HG> but nothing there
[07:58] <Jel> lol dickhall
[07:58] <pablet> sorry?
[07:58] <dickhall> pablet: google around a bit, I saw something on this (xgl + dapper) a while back, when the xgl stuff was announced
[07:58] <HG> it's like no rights
[07:58] <_unknown> How do I upgrade to dapper?
[07:58] <Jel> you get over XGl pretty quick...
[07:58] <_unknown> from breezy
[07:58] <imbrandon> !upgrade
[07:58] <ubotu> upgrade is, like, Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[07:58] <Jel> its not really that fantastic
[07:58] <_unknown> thanks
[07:58] <HG> have you allready seen a computer you can't do what you want ?
[07:59] <dickhall> Jel: it's the truth ;) I found it to be neat at first, but as I don't program while high when I'm at work, it outlived its usefulness
[07:59] <Jel> hahahha
[07:59] <Jel> i find weed rather boring myself
[07:59] <Jel> i'd rather be drunk
[07:59] <Jel> :D
[07:59] <dickhall> Jel: so I switched to fluxbox, which was also lightweight and keyboard driven, but supports multiple desktops
[07:59] <dickhall> coding while drunk is hard ;)
[08:00] <Jel> yep
[08:00] <Jel> so is maths
[08:00] <Jel> :P
[08:00] <pablet> yeah but the pages I've seen about xgl+ dapper tells you how to configure it, but I installed it a month ago and it didnt get configured automatically
[08:00] <Jack_Sparrow> I prefer weed to alcohol, but then I am 50+
[08:00] <Jack_Sparrow> NEver did much of either
[08:00] <pablet> and Im a bit lazy to configure it :D
[08:01] <HG> im :)
[08:01] <HG> no idea ?
[08:01] <dickhall> I was a drinker in college, just because it was everywhere (yay dorms), but switched to herb when I realized it was much better in almost every way :)
[08:01] <HG> what can "block" a file to be copied ?
[08:01] <dickhall> yeah, was just thinking that ;)
[08:01] <Jack_Sparrow> Stop it you are making me want some
[08:01] <HG> ok
[08:01] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: The new apt requires servers to have the difs on them
[08:01] <dickhall> sorry all ;)
[08:01] <Jack_Sparrow> I thought you were going to go eat?
[08:02] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: and it's not workable for Binaries
[08:02] <imbrandon> yea yea i'm gon e ;)
[08:02] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, sorry about that..
[08:02] <dickhall> funnily enough, talking about drugs would be ON topic in #ratpoison (if it exists)
[08:02] <dickhall> hello dom, good to see a fellow vancouverite
[08:02] <frank_> DaSkreech: are there binary diffs for .debs now?
[08:02] <dom> howdy, dickhall
[08:02] <DaSkreech> frank_: Nope thats the point
[08:03] <frank_> DaSkreech: so no more downloading 80 MBs just to change a version number?
[08:04] <frank_> DaSkreech: I've seen changelogs like that
[08:04] <DaSkreech> frank_: Well if you are doing source no
[08:04] <imbrandon> frank_, someday , not anytime soon
[08:04] <DaSkreech> adept needs changelogs :-(
[08:04] <dontm> what package do i need to get the ability to be able to ./configure ?
[08:04] <frank_> imbrandon: I understand it's not for know.
[08:04] <dontm> i already installed autoconf and configure-debian
[08:05] <imbrandon> dontm, apt-get install build-essential
[08:06] <dontm> says i already have the newest version
[08:08] <ciga> hi
[08:08] <dontm> nvm i was in the wrong dir
[08:08] <dontm> heh
[08:09] <ciga> anyone one dapper has problem with the new fglrx?
[08:09] <ciga> -one :)
[08:09] <ciga> so anyone with dapper has problem with the new fglrx?
[08:10] <GazzaK> nope, I have a nvidia
[08:10] <dickhall> hrm... does anyone else find Katapult rather immature?
[08:10] <dickhall> compared to, say, quicksilver on OSX
[08:10] <chris____> how do i switch from kubuntu back to ubuntu?
[08:10] <GazzaK> but I did have problems with my ATI radeon based laptop just before I had to flatten it and re-install windows
[08:11] <imbrandon> chris apt-get inatall ubuntu-desktop
[08:11] <Kadran> hi i have a problem with the temperature, any one have the same?
[08:11] <Jel> wtf is katapult ?
[08:11] <dickhall> yeah, I'm pretty cold
[08:11] <frank_> DaSkreech: is the pdiff support only for source packages?
[08:11] <dickhall> Jel: application launcher. try pressing alt+space
[08:12] <Jel> all i see is a slingshot in the middle of my screen
[08:12] <Kadran> dickhall: lol
[08:12] <Kadran> each time i reboot it tells me that critical temp reached
[08:12] <dickhall> Jel: yeah, while it's up, type the name of a program
[08:12] <dickhall> like, say, Speedcrunch
[08:13] <Kadran> the only way to start kubuntu is to disable acpi support
[08:14] <dickhall> Jel: basically, it's a way to run programs without having to go to the K menu or anything
[08:14] <dickhall> it's for people like me - I'd much rather use the keyboard than the mouse
[08:14] <Jel> ok
[08:14] <Jel> that is cool
[08:14] <Jel> :)
[08:14] <_ronald> holas
[08:15] <dickhall> but it's sorely lacking in features compared to Quicksilver, the Mac OSX counterpart
[08:15] <frank_> dickhall: Jel  you can do quick math with alt-space as well    try sin(pi/2)
[08:15] <frank_> dickhall: Jel: that's only in dapper though
[08:16] <dickhall> frank_: works just fine in breezy, actually
[08:16] <pekay> anyone here running Konversation can help me?
[08:16] <frank_> dickhall: oh ok
[08:17] <dickhall> frank_: you know any advanced features? Like, say I want to run Kdevelop for KDE programs - I type "KDE" and KDevelop: Ruby comes up, and i have to type the whole thing if I want something else
[08:17] <dickhall> basically, can you navigate through prefix matches, or does it only allow you to choose the first?
[08:17] <frank_> dickhall: not really
[08:17] <dickhall> :(
[08:17] <dickhall> that sucks
[08:17] <DaSkreech> frank_: and packages
[08:17] <frank_> dickhall: what I'd like to see is tab-completion in katapult
[08:18] <frank_> DaSkreech: what's a package?  not a binary deb?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> frank_: The package list
[08:18] <frank_> DaSkreech: oh
[08:18] <dickhall> frank_: why? if you hit enter, it automatically goes to whatever's on the screen
[08:19] <dickhall> or do you mean like bash tab completion, where it will complete up to the next ambiguity?
[08:19] <Jel> thats awesome frank :P
[08:19] <frank_> dickhall: exactly what I meant
[08:19] <frank_> DaSkreech: so If you only download binary debs it wont change that much
[08:20] <dickhall> ah, that makes sense
[08:20] <dickhall> yeah, I lean heavily on tab when navigating around, so it'd be good to have it in katapult as well
[08:20] <frank_> dickhall: for example  try to open different OpenOffice apps
[08:21] <_james> Opera webbrowser just quit working on me... it worked up until a few hours ago. any suggestions?
[08:21] <dickhall> frank_: yeah, that's the problem I'm having with Kdevelop
[08:22] <frank_> dickhall: I see
[08:22] <klerfayt> _james: I never used opera but I would take a look into ~/.xsession-errors
[08:22] <_james> klerfayt: how do i do that?
[08:22] <_james> is that for the command line?
[08:23] <klerfayt> _james: it is the hidden files in your home directory
[08:24] <_james> klerfayt: i am sorry, i do not know how to find that or do what you told me
[08:25] <frank_> HymnToLife's exit message is a bit disturbing....
[08:25] <klerfayt> _james: ok. run kate>file>open file>and type into Location:   .xsession-errors
[08:26] <klerfayt> _james: actually you should open konsole and type  opera  in there
[08:27] <_james> klerfayt: would you mind looking at the messages i got from kate?
[08:28] <klerfayt> _james: I gave you bad hints. better open konsole and run opera there
[08:28] <_james> klerfayt: i typed opera into the terminal, and it said 'Segmentation fault'
[08:29] <klerfayt> _james: well try to search "segmentation fault opera" in internet
[08:30] <_james> klerfayt: i dunno, i will never figure that stuff out. do you think it would help if i un-installed opera, and installed it again?
[08:32] <klerfayt> _james: as I said before - I don't use opera so I can't be very helpful
[08:32] <_james> klerfayt: well, thanks for the help u gave me
[08:40] <nahoj> s... d har vi snart ytterligare ett bibliotek p kartan!
[08:41] <pppoe_dude> hi. any good kde softphones out there?
[08:42] <StR> hi there...
[08:42] <StR> anyone here using XGL on kubuntu?
[08:43] <osh_> nahoj: huh?
[08:43] <nahoj> osh_, sorry, wrong channel
[08:44] <nahoj> what i was saying was something like, so, know we have another library on the map!
[08:44] <nahoj> wich means that our library in town have agreed to hand out ubuntu-cd's
[08:44] <osh_> nahoj: I got that. I know swedish. I just didn't understand the meaning.
[08:45] <farous> i have a whole dir where all the files can not be accesed. looking at permission it say permission can not be determined? what might cause that and how to fix it?
[08:46] <notbb> hi
[08:46] <osh_> Heh, going to the oxygen page from akregator makes it look like crap. :-)
[08:46] <notbb> how can i play xvid files ?
[08:46] <osh_> Dunno if I should report that as an error and if so, where the error is.
[08:46] <notbb> what packages do i need ?
[08:47] <osh_> notbb: google for "easyubuntu", install that, run it. Answer the questions. Then you can play anything. =)
[08:47] <DaSkreech> frank_: fOR KATAPULT JUST TYPE THE NAME
[08:48] <DaSkreech> frank_: like writer
[08:48] <notbb> osh_ seems nice, thanks !
[08:48] <osh_> notbb: it is nice. good luck.
[08:48] <uscg_corey> anyone familiar with konversation?
[08:51] <nixternal> xorg.conf shows "nvidia" for driver....system settings > display shows "nv" driver....why?
[08:51] <pppoe_dude> uscg_corey: what do you need to know
[08:52] <uscg_corey> well i want some commands to run after i connect to a server, but the connect commands in konversation execute while its connecting which wont work..was wondering how i can make 2 or 3 commands run when im connected to server automatically
[08:53] <trispace> does somebody know which package is required to automatically show inserted cdroms on the desktop?
[08:53] <_jack> Is Brandon around?
[08:54] <uscg_corey> trispace: autofs ?
[08:54] <uscg_corey> brb
[08:54] <trispace> hmm, does it work with kde?
[08:55] <pppoe_dude> how can i refresh the kde menu?
[08:57] <trispace> i've upgraded from breezy to dapper and now inserted cdroms aren't shown on desktop
[08:59] <Dasnipa`> trispace, probably just not automounted?
[09:00] <trispace> Dasnipa`: i thought that udev and hal should be responsible to show them on the desktop not an automounter
[09:01] <dickhall> hrm.. kdevelop isn't very user friendly
[09:03] <_jack> Hello All
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> kdevelop isnt working for me nowe
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> neither is koffice
[09:04] <pppoe_dude> i installed from apt-get, and they all give me some error about PATH or somethn
[09:05] <pppoe_dude> but i need to refresh the kde menu to see if its different from there
[09:07] <jeronimo> pessoal alguem tem uma source liste para o kubuntu?
[09:07] <xwolf-> ~sources
[09:07] <xwolf-> !sources
[09:07] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:08] <xwolf-> jeronimo vai ser dificil conseguires ajuda em portugues aqui.
[09:08] <jeronimo> hummm
[09:09] <jeronimo> tem kubuntu br?
[09:09] <_unknown> Are there any programs like VNC (Unless VNC does work the way I hope it does) which support linux/windows as a server and client
[09:09] <xwolf-> deve ter
[09:09] <jeronimo> vc eh de onde?
[09:09] <xwolf-> maranhao
[09:09] <_unknown> !es
[09:09] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:10] <xwolf-> !pt
[09:10] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br (/j #ubuntu-br) ou #ubuntu-pt (/j #ubuntu-pt) para ajuda em portugues. Obrigada.
[09:10] <_unknown> oh, lol
[09:10] <xwolf-> people really *should* learn portuguese.
[09:10] <xwolf-> :P
[09:11] <_unknown> This c hannel is for english speakers
[09:11] <rysiek|pl> hi there guys
[09:11] <_unknown> Hi
[09:11] <rysiek|pl> anybody familiar with DCOP here? need a wee bit of help
[09:12] <rysiek|pl> what I would like to do is have a certain window (of a DCOP-enabled and aware app) get focused through a dcop call
[09:15] <trispace> you could browse the functionlist of kwin with dcop kwin, although i don't see any function related to focus
[09:16] <rysiek|pl> trispace: yeah, doing that for two days now, neither do I
[09:19] <trispace> rysiek|pl: i'm not sure, but i don't think kwin exposes the needed function via dcop
[09:20] <rysiek|pl> trispace: darn. anyways, asking on #kde then. you want to get a hint on the answer from there?
[09:21] <trispace> rysiek|pl: yeah, sure
[09:21] <nikkiana> Is there a way to change settings so Firefox is my default browser instead of Konquerer? I changed settings in the KDE Components and even Konquerer itself, but it's still popping Konquerer up whenever I click on a link in email, irc and IM clients.....
[09:22] <jeronimo> where I can be obtaining one sourceliste?
[09:22] <kkathman> jeronimo:  what do you mean one sourcelist?
[09:23] <kkathman> its pretty much mandatory to have a set of sources in one sourcelist file
[09:24] <jeronimo> to be able to bring up to date mine kubuntu!
[09:26] <trispace> jeronimo: which entries do you have in your sources.list?
[09:27] <Ademan_> anyone here use kdevelop?
[09:28] <rysiek|pl> trispace: and the winner is: dcop MyApp mainWindow'sName restore. thanks and cheers :)
[09:28] <jeronimo> trispace: which types of entrance? your if relates?
[09:29] <dickhall> Ademan_: I'm just trying it out
[09:30] <Ademan_> same, and i'm trying to figure out how to specify libraries to link with
[09:30] <dickhall> hah, ditto. I'm trying to learn Kdevelop and Qt at the same time (as is recommended), but I can't get it to link against the qt libs :p
[09:30] <trispace> rysiek|pl: wow, i didn't knew that you need to call the application itself to set the focus to it
[09:31] <Ademan_> dickhall: haha, what about wxWidgets?
[09:31] <trispace> rysiek|pl: i thought something like dcop kwin MyApp focus
[09:32] <piotrek> macd, hi :)
[09:32] <uscg_corey> anyone familiar with konversation?
[09:32] <macd> -hey there piotrek , just to let you know, it wouldnt install for me either :/
[09:32] <rysiek|pl> trispace: you don't call the app, mind you. you call a DCOP function call
[09:32] <marcreichelt> hi there :)
[09:32] <macd> I tried on my breezy and my dapper box
[09:32] <piotrek> heh :)
[09:33] <macd> though it installed flawlessly on slack current
[09:33] <dickhall> Ademan_: dunno, I'm trying to learn Qt specifically, so I haven't done anything with wx
[09:33] <piotrek> so i have to contact with the intel...
[09:33] <trispace> yeah, but the syntax is little bit strange
[09:33] <marcreichelt> today I damaged my old kubuntu 5.10
[09:33] <Ademan_> but i mean, whats your reasoning for using Qt? wxWidgets is absolutely free, open source, and just as mature
[09:33] <macd> yeah give them a ring, I spoke to some asm gurus I know that use the intel cpp compiler v gnu cpp, they did say on intel platform there is some optimization done that might be worth your time.
[09:34] <Ademan_> but thats just my opinion
[09:34] <dickhall> Qt is what most of KDE is built on, and I want to get more into KDE apps and such
[09:34] <dickhall> It's not to build a program of my own
[09:34] <dickhall> (yet)
[09:34] <macd> I guess the fact theyre asm gurus puts into focus they are really focused on code optimization
[09:34] <marcreichelt> and because the new kubuntu 6.06 is near, my question is: if I install Kubuntu 6.06 RC from the LiveCD now, will it be (nearly) the same system as when it will be released on Thursday?
[09:35] <uscg_corey> basically marcreichelt
[09:35] <marcreichelt> or will there be a more different install system, rather installing out of kde?
[09:35] <piotrek> macd, thanks for your help&time!
[09:35] <uscg_corey> nah
[09:35] <marcreichelt> k :)
[09:35] <macd> good luck with it, let me know how it turns out
[09:35] <marcreichelt> that's what I wanted to hear - great
[09:36] <marcreichelt> thanks a lot
[09:37] <piotrek> macd ,i'm codding board game brute-force ai so this should be fast, and at the end i'll do opening book for this game and this can take few weeks/months of computation so every 1% is important :)
[09:37] <marcreichelt> k, I'm off
[09:37] <marcreichelt> see you
[09:43] <Kadran> when hiting ctrl in konqurer it shows a yellow boxes, what are these yellow boxes for?
[09:44] <shawn____> hit a key and it goes to that link
[09:47] <slow-motion> re
[09:48] <Lynoure> Kadran: I get no yellow boxes when hitting ctrl in Konqueror... Do you have a screenshot somewhere?
[09:48] <Kadran> Lynoure: no how to post a screen shot?
[09:51] <PyroMithrandir> Lynoure, you have to be in web mode
[09:51] <Kadran> Lynoure: oh i knew what is it for, it will rename every link in the web page so i can just write the letter and it will go with out using the mouse, ain't konqueror smashin'
[09:51] <PyroMithrandir> go to a web page and hit control once
[09:51] <PyroMithrandir> it'll show the boxes, then you hit control again to hide them, or hit one of the keys they show to follow the link
[09:51] <Kadran> thanks guys
[09:52] <Lynoure> PyroMithrandir: so it need to be a real web page, I guess, not the konqueror start view...
[09:52] <PyroMithrandir> Lynoure, go to google.com
[09:52] <PyroMithrandir> although, it works on the konq start for me
[09:52] <Lynoure> clever :)
[09:52] <serenity> hi all
[09:53] <PyroMithrandir> not if I'm in the location field, though
[09:53] <Lynoure> PyroMithrandir: I chose www.utu.fi, for nostangic reasons =)
[09:53] <serenity> i want to create a gui for an command line app...is there a "how-to"
[09:53] <dickhall> serenity: depends what toolkit you want to use
[09:53] <serenity> kde
[09:54] <dickhall> yes, but you can make kde apps with qt, wxwidgets, gtk+, etc.
[09:54] <serenity> oh...dumb serenity. qt
[09:54] <dickhall> you can try some of the sample programs in KDevelop and modify them?
[09:55] <dickhall> I'm currently looking at writing qt apps and kdevelop is giving me some issues
[09:55] <dickhall> that is, straight qt, not with a kde wrapper
[09:55] <dickhall> but KDE projects seem to work fine
[09:56] <Bizzeh> how would i write a floppy disk image to a floppy in linux
[09:57] <_jack> what created the image
[09:58] <Bizzeh> no clue, its a raw image... i know that much
[09:58] <Bizzeh> openbsd's floppy39.fs
[09:58] <_jack> Was it for DOS ms?
[09:58] <_jack> AH, dont they say on their site
[09:59] <Bizzeh> would dd if=floppy39.fs of=/dev/fd0 work?
[10:00] <sampan> if i'm moving my (breezy) kubuntu from a direct ppp0e connection (dsl) to one behind a router, after i set up the router settings, what network stuff am i gonna have to change in order to let kubuntu connect?  (sorry, newb networking question)
[10:00] <pppoe_dude> how can i refresh the kde menu plz?
[10:02] <nico8481> hi
[10:03] <pppoe_dude> how come koffice is not in Add/Remove programs in the kde menu?
[10:03] <dickhall> sweet, got vim in kdevelop. might actually use it now
[10:03] <_jack> How do I get Firefox on my Menu under internet ?
[10:05] <neoncode> How do I open a password-protected rar file?
[10:09] <osh_> neoncode: with the password
[10:15] <trispace> _jack: right click on the menu, klick "Edit menu" and make a link there
[10:16] <osoh> hi all
[10:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry I got distraced..
[10:18] <_jack> I could not find firefox location
[10:19] <trispace> _jack: if its on your path just enter firefox, else search it with find or locate
[10:20] <_jack> I run it by..typing Firefox in the run command
[10:22] <dickhall> _jack: type in "which firefox"
[10:22] <dickhall> it's likely /usr/bin/firefox
[10:22] <dickhall> which is likely a symlink to /usr/lib/mozillafirefox/firefox
[10:23] <_jack> where do I type that?
[10:23] <dickhall> on the command line
[10:23] <dickhall> open up Konsole, type it in there
[10:27] <_jack> usr \ bin found
[10:28] <_jack> I am worthless today, was out too late.
[10:28] <osoh> hi... i guess i'm not the only one having troubles upgrading from breezy to dapper
[10:29] <osoh> any tip on that? apt-get dist-upgrade ask me to delete almost all kde packages (bug 39658)
[10:29] <osoh> does anyone solved this?
[10:31] <JavaGeek> osoh: I just upgraded to dapper and then installed kubuntu-desktop
[10:31] <JavaGeek> adept++
[10:32] <osoh> JavaGeek: mmm the problem is that apt-get ask me to delete all those packages, even if I uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[10:34] <crazy_penguin> good night everybody. pleasent dreams! :)
[10:34] <JavaGeek> osoh: yes, it deletes them, but then kubuntu-desktop installs them again
[10:34] <osoh> JavaGeek: ok, i'll try that way
[10:34] <osoh> JavaGeek: thank you
[10:34] <osoh> go for upgrade... ;)
[10:34] <Cooner750> Hello
[10:35] <Cooner750> Is it possible to disable the effect of icons getting lighter on mouseover?
[10:36] <uscg_corey> can anyone recommend a good full featured gui ftp client?
[10:37] <Astrochick> kasablanca
[10:38] <macd> Cooner750: there is a setting that can change the gamma/color of mouseover
[10:39] <Cooner750> Got it. Thanks
[10:39] <macd> Cooner750: system settings --> appearance -->icons --> advanced tab, it should be self explanitory from there
[10:39] <macd> nvm.
[10:41] <thedevilsjester> Ok, I just followed the upgrade procedure from 5.10 to the release candidate, and besides a few hickups, everything went well, except that my 1680x1050 widescreen format that I had before the upgrade, isnt working now.  Any ideas?
[10:42] <thedevilsjester> I tried the: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg , it didnt work either.
[10:43] <ubuntu> hi, i have a simple question
[10:44] <Astrochick> thedevilsjester, have you tried reinstalling your gfx card driver to see if that fixes it?
[10:44] <ubuntu> how can i login as root with the kubunu-live cd?
[10:44] <ubuntu> pass?
[10:44] <godlkwrth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:45] <thedevilsjester> Yes I did, it wont do anything with the nvidia drivers in apt, and the official ones wont even boot the system
[10:45] <Astrochick> what do you mean the official ones wont boot the system?
[10:45] <thedevilsjester> X will not start with the official ones, it will with the ones from apt, but that doesnt fix anything
[10:48] <rigonatti> hi all
[10:48] <Astrochick> oh, that's unusual for the latest nvidia drivers
[10:48] <rigonatti> can someone lend me a help with some networks config in kubuntu?
[10:48] <Astrochick> I guess you'll have to manually sort out your xorg.conf then thedevilsjester
[10:48] <load> rgonatti: like what
[10:49] <rigonatti> load:  I have a Windows Box with a proxy connected by crossover with Kubuntu Box..
[10:49] <thedevilsjester> its the same xorg.conf I had before the update
[10:49] <load> rigonatti: sorry, spelled that wrong
[10:49] <load> ok
[10:50] <rigonatti> load: so... the first time I set the IP adres to 192.168.0.2 (manual) ...
[10:50] <Astrochick> what version nvidia driver did you install?
[10:50] <thedevilsjester> the latest from the site
[10:50] <rigonatti> but the system dont connect..I mean Kopete..Adept etc... Just the Konqueor coz i set the proxy in Konqueor settings..
[10:51] <rigonatti> ok .then ..I put my ADSL cable in to Kubuntu ...and try to set the IP to get form my ISP (Dhcp)
[10:51] <rigonatti> but still show 192.168.0.2
[10:51] <Astrochick> thedevilsjester: the one from about 2 weeks ago was a bit too buggy and I had to force it to use custom modelines, I don't if nvidia fixed that bug
[10:51] <McNutella> anyone know how to turn off the MOTD on konversation yet ?
[10:52] <rigonatti> load: I mean ...i change to DHCP options...then press apply...he show me the dhcp options in ehthernet interface ..but sets the ip to 192.168.0.2
[10:52] <thedevilsjester> I have always had to force custom modelines and have them in my xorg, and that was perfect for 5.10, but this new one doesnt use them...
[10:53] <Astrochick> what option do you use to force modelines (there's a couple of ways to do it)?
[10:53] <load> rigonatti: try dhclient or dhcpcd eth0
[10:53] <load> or whatever eth device your nic is
[10:53] <rigonatti> load: should i type this in terminal ?
[10:53] <load> yeah
[10:53] <nixternal> does yahoo videos run, but like the sound isn't in sync with the video?  using firefox that is
[10:53] <thedevilsjester> modeline  "1680x1050@60" 147.14 1680 1784 1968 2256 1050 1051 1054 1087 -hsync +vsync
[10:53] <thedevilsjester> which worked in 5.10
[10:53] <load> I think it uses dhclient
[10:54] <rigonatti> load: Im not a expert...shoul i Type this:     dhclient eth1
[10:54] <thedevilsjester> brb...
[10:55] <XVampireX_> Hey, was at friends house again, we fixed dns problem by changing things in the resolvconf file
[10:55] <XVampireX_> But there's a little problem with that
[10:56] <XVampireX_> After sometime everytime, it changes
[10:56] <XVampireX_> Does anyone know?
[10:56] <godlkwrth> yes, a dhcp lease will expire and it must be renewed
[10:56] <godlkwrth> so resolv.conf gets updated with the new settings
[10:56] <XVampireX_> Not related to dhcp, we're not using dhcp
[10:57] <XVampireX_> Where can he get that fixed?
[10:57] <godlkwrth> it shouldn't change then
[10:57] <bahbahbah> lots of registered nicks.... *sigh*
[10:57] <godlkwrth> you must have a dhcp client running in the background
[10:57] <XVampireX_> Hmm, what is he supposed to do to stop it then?
[10:58] <ubuntu> load: This works....can i bore you with another question ?
[10:58] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, the most straightforward way is to edit /etc/network/interfaces
[10:58] <godlkwrth> I believe there is a KDE frontend to this however
[10:59] <XVampireX_> Oh?
[10:59] <godlkwrth> how did you configure the NIC? with ifconfig?
[10:59] <XVampireX_> no
[10:59] <_rigonatti_> load: ?
[11:00] <uscg_corey> kasablanca doesnt let you edit a file in it
[11:00] <uscg_corey> not very configurable either
[11:00] <_rigonatti_> crimsum: ??
[11:01] <_rigonatti_> load: ?
[11:01] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: ?
[11:01] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, well was it configured automatically?
[11:01] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: yeah
[11:01] <_rigonatti_> crimsun: hi there crimsun...you leave yesterday  =P
[11:01] <XVampireX_> except we had to change the dns server in resolvconf
[11:01] <uniq> rigonatti: if you can't get in touch with the ones that helped you before, feel free to ask others, we might be useful too :)
[11:02] <XVampireX_> but then it changes back stuff
[11:02] <uscg_corey> i wish kbear would be more actively produced, its a nice client
[11:02] <_rigonatti_> uniq: txs uniq !! nice to hear that!
[11:02] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: I'm at work
[11:02] <_rigonatti_> anyone knows (or use) a windows box serving a proxy to kubuntu ?
[11:02] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, is there a router involved?
[11:02] <Astrochick> uscg_corey, kasablanca is the one I use, I guess it's a matter of preference, there's alot more ftp clients out there, have a look on sourceforge
[11:03] <XVampireX_> Yes, it's a modem/router combo in a box
[11:03] <_rigonatti_> crimsun: my sound still not work =(
[11:03] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, the router is giving out bogus DNS info is what it sounds like
[11:03] <_rigonatti_> my two problems:  My sound card...and how to get connect trough my windows proxy
[11:03] <XVampireX_> Yeah, so what is he supposed to do?
[11:04] <godlkwrth> Well, the quick fix is to configure the interface manually along with resolv.conf
[11:04] <XVampireX_> How to configure it?
[11:04] <godlkwrth> the other solution is to track down why the router is doing this
[11:04] <McNutella> how do I turn off MOTD on Koversation
[11:04] <godlkwrth> and to fix it at the router end
[11:05] <uscg_corey> Astrochick: kasablanca was not very configurable, plus a big thing is it doesnt let you edit files on server
[11:05] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, K -> System Settings -> Network
[11:05] <_rigonatti_> Does anyone how to set a intel audio sound card ?
[11:06] <Astrochick> uscg_corey, i always thought ftp was really only meant as a file transport method, if you want to edit files on a server, log into the server and edit them locally
[11:06] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: Anything specific in there?
[11:07] <chavo> uscg_corey, does the server run ssh?
[11:07] <godlkwrth> and then "Edit..." the NIC and choose manual configuration
[11:09] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: And then type in the IP of the router or the DNS ip?
[11:09] <_rigonatti_> uniq :  do u know how to set a intel sound card?
[11:10] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, Enter router IP under Gateway, and enter an IP for the host, and enter the DNS info if it's there
[11:10] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, I'm going from memory here I don't have it in front of me right now
[11:10] <uniq> _rigonatti_: maybe.. is it the common laptop/motherboard chip?
[11:10] <_rigonatti_> yeah..let me show the url
[11:11] <uscg_corey> chavo: Nah
[11:11] <XVampireX_> Oh
[11:11] <uscg_corey> chavo: i really like kbear cause it lets you edit and save files on the fly on server
[11:11] <XVampireX_> I think there are only 2 fields there (If that's what you're talking about): IP Address and Netmask
[11:11] <uscg_corey> but its kinda buggy and apparently no longer in development
[11:11] <chavo> uscg_corey, you can do that with any kde app
[11:12] <_rigonatti_> uniq:  http://www.linuxtested.com/results/InfoWay_Note_Wireless_M5410.html
[11:12] <uscg_corey> eh
[11:12] <uscg_corey> well im not running kubuntu
[11:12] <Astrochick> what are you running?
[11:12] <uscg_corey> ubuntu
[11:13] <chavo> you can do the same in gnome using gnome-vfs
[11:13] <chavo> it's not as featurefull or easy to setup as kioslaves but it works
[11:14] <uscg_corey> im going to stick with kbear
[11:14] <uscg_corey> kbear crashes whenever you try and download a file though :P
[11:14] <uscg_corey> so ill use another ftp client when i do backups
[11:14] <StR> hi all!
[11:14] <chavo> e.g. in any kde editor I can just type ftp://name@server.com to open files from the ftp server
[11:14] <StR> anyone with XGL?   where can I read how to set it up with kubuntu?
[11:14] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, is there a "Manual" option?
[11:14] <_jack> Hate to be such a noob but how do I add firefox to my Kmenu/internet, I have the KDE Menu editor open and I did a find files for Firefox
[11:14] <xwolf-> !xg
[11:14] <ubotu> xwolf-: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[11:14] <xwolf-> !xgl
[11:14] <ubotu> I heard xgl is "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[11:14] <chavo> and if the server runs ssh, you can use fish://
[11:14] <XVampireX_> Yeah
[11:15] <Cooner750> Hello. I've come with a question
[11:15] <dickhall> _jack: did you do the "which firefox" command like I said?
[11:15] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: Yeah, there is, that's where I said are the 2 options
[11:15] <_jack> Yes
[11:15] <dickhall> firefox is likely /usr/bin/firefox
[11:15] <chavo> you can make shortcuts in the file open/close dialogs etc.
[11:15] <_jack> I got the path usr-bin I think
[11:15] <Cooner750> How good will Kubuntu run on a Mac Mini 1.42Ghz PPC with 512MB RAM?
[11:15] <uniq> _rigonatti_: have you tried to load drivers yourself? I would guess 'sudo modprobe snd-intel8x0' would do it?
[11:15] <_rigonatti_> nope...should i try ?
[11:15] <uscg_corey> i was actually coming here to see if anyone was familiar with Konversation
[11:16] <xwolf-> StR !xgl
[11:16] <_rigonatti_> uniq: nope...should i try ?
[11:16] <StR> !xgl
[11:16] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/"
[11:16] <_jack> would that go into the work path or command box of the menu editor
[11:16] <Cooner750> hello?
[11:16] <dickhall> shouldn't have to do either
[11:16] <uniq> _rigonatti_: i think it could work.. there are however more modules you need to load if it loads successfully.. to make sound work.
[11:16] <dickhall> I mean, command
[11:16] <dickhall> here's mine:
[11:16] <uscg_corey> Cooner750: it should run fine, i run ubuntu on a 1.4ghz cpu
[11:16] <dickhall> the command is: firefox %u
[11:17] <chavo> dickhall, yeah why replace OSX when you can sell the box to some mac zealot for way more than it's worth
[11:17] <_jack> THen I need to start at the beginning again, I am missing something
[11:17] <_rigonatti_> nothing happens
[11:17] <uniq> _rigonatti_: and.. there are more steps to make it load at boot automatically. But first try to load it manually with the command i gave you.
[11:17] <_jack> I put Firefox in the command line and it does nothing, no error nothing
[11:17] <_rigonatti_> uniq: he asks for the pass... I type ..then back to prompt
[11:18] <XVampireX_> Uhm
[11:18] <dickhall> chavo: heh, I'm no zealot, but I do think OS X is a damn fine operating system and worth the relatively small amount of overhead
[11:18] <dickhall> (price overhead, that is)
[11:18] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: So any idea?
[11:18] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, should be some more options in there somewhere
[11:18] <chavo> I'm just messing with you dick, I've never used it myself
[11:18] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, may have to edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand
[11:18] <XVampireX_> Yeah, there are different tabs
[11:19] <uniq> _rigonatti_: try 'dmesg|tail -n5' and paste the result to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:19] <XVampireX_> And do you know what  he should be typing in it?
[11:19] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, ok what kind of options are in the tabs?
[11:19] <godlkwrth> should be Gateway, DNS, etc
[11:19] <dickhall> chavo: no problem ;). It's quite smooth, good UI and you've always got a command line to drop to if you want it
[11:19] <dickhall> though objective-C kinda sucks
[11:20] <XVampireX_> Network Interfaces | Routes | Domain Name System | Network Profiles
[11:20] <XVampireX_> I'm guessing it's in the domain name system part :P
[11:20] <godlkwrth> Okay find Gateway in there somewhere and enter the IP Address of the router
[11:21] <godlkwrth> might be under Routes
[11:21] <XVampireX_> Yeah, routes
[11:21] <Astrochick> but dickhall you're still considering linux right? :)
[11:21] <XVampireX_> "its already there"
[11:22] <godlkwrth> Okay, under DNS enter the DNS info
[11:22] <_rigonatti_> uniq: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/745644
[11:22] <godlkwrth> whatever you put into resolv.conf in the "nameserver x.x.x.x" line
[11:22] <klerfayt> woot - I got suspen to ram&disk working!
[11:23] <_jack> WHen I browse in Menu editor and try to point to the usr-bin-firefox it says you can only select local files.
[11:23] <uniq> _rigonatti_: hmm.. no output from loading the module.. is it listed in the output of 'lsmod' ?
[11:23] <dickhall> Astrochick: I code professionally in linux ;)
[11:24] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: Anything else?
[11:24] <Astrochick> :D sorry I thought you were thinking about it when you mentioned replacing OSX with KDE
[11:24] <dickhall> with some FreeBSD thrown in for fun
[11:24] <_rigonatti_> uniq: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/745651
[11:24] <dickhall> nah, someone just mentioned replacing it, and I just personally would never do that (as I like OSX as well)
[11:24] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, okay, find where the IP Address of the computer goes and enter an IP Address in the range the router will route traffic in
[11:25] <_jack> Cool got it.. I wasnt starting the path from the root
[11:25] <uniq> _rigonatti_: and sound does not work?
[11:25] <_rigonatti_> nope....let me show u the error
[11:25] <JavaGeek> klerfayt: did you have to do something special?
[11:25] <xwolf-> is there a way to get my external ip with command-line?
[11:25] <klerfayt> JavaGeek: for suspend to ram I had to install nvidia drivers
[11:25] <blaze> how can i remove KDE and leave only Gnome?
[11:25] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: Where exactly?
[11:26] <godlkwrth> should be in the first tab
[11:26] <klerfayt> JavaGeek: for suspend to disk I had to add boot option resume/dev/myswap
[11:26] <dickhall> xwolf-: what do you mean by external?
[11:26] <JavaGeek> klerfayt: mmm... I have an ATI video card...
[11:26] <_rigonatti_> uniq: check http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/745657
[11:26] <xwolf-> dickhall saymyip.com
[11:26] <xwolf-> that ip
[11:26] <dickhall> ifconfig?
[11:26] <dickhall> unless you're behind a router
[11:26] <xwolf-> i am
[11:26] <dickhall> ah
[11:26] <uniq> blaze: remove the package named 'libartsc0'
[11:26] <JavaGeek> klerfayt: since I usually keep my laptop on, I haven't actually looked if hibernate/suspend works
[11:27] <dickhall> well, your computer doesn't know it's external ip
[11:27] <dickhall> you could try whatismyip.com
[11:27] <blaze> uniq, is it only for KDE?
[11:27] <uniq> _rigonatti_: ah.. /dev/dsp isn't created.. looks like a driver problem then.
[11:27] <JavaGeek> or ismyiphotornot.com
[11:27] <dickhall> or are you wanting to do it programatically or something?
[11:27] <JavaGeek> :)
[11:28] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: Thanks :)
[11:28] <_rigonatti_> uniq: can we solve this, doc ??  =P
[11:28] <uniq> blaze: only for KDE apps.
[11:28] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: pastebin ``cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[11:28] <_rigonatti_> hi jack!
[11:28] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, okay "save" should save all of these settings and you should be able to use it now without a problem
[11:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello
[11:28] <godlkwrth> even through reboot
[11:28] <blaze> ok, uniq, 10x a lot :)
[11:29] <godlkwrth> what it does, is it edits the configuration file /etc/network/interfaces for you
[11:29] <godlkwrth> it's just a nice frontend to that, I think
[11:29] <Jack_Sparrow> imBrandon was supposed to come back and show me how to install his XP THeme
[11:30] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, you may need to issue a "killall -9 dhclient dhcpcd"
[11:30] <godlkwrth> to stop the current dhcp client
[11:30] <uniq> _rigonatti_: I have to go to bed now, i can barely see the text on the screen. But it shouldn't be impossible to make sound work.
[11:30] <_rigonatti_> uniq http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/745663
[11:30] <godlkwrth> or, find the process in the KDE Process Viewer and kill it from there
[11:31] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: ``lspci -v && lsmod''
[11:31] <_rigonatti_> uniq: txs, man!! Take care!
[11:31] <beber> is a big community here!!!
[11:31] <XVampireX_> How do I access the KDE Process viewer?
[11:31] <uniq> xvampirex_: ctrl+esc
[11:31] <uniq> nite all.
[11:32] <XVampireX_> Alright :)
[11:32] <XVampireX_> thanks
[11:32] <XVampireX_> good night
[11:32] <_rigonatti_> crimsun: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/745667
[11:33] <godlkwrth> XVampireX_, do you see dhclient or dhcpcd in the process list
[11:33] <XVampireX_> I don't know, it's my friend, I'm just helping him :P
[11:34] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: can you disable the modem in bios?
[11:34] <Jack_Sparrow> When I reinstall windows it will kill my grub loader right?
[11:34] <_rigonatti_> crimsun: Im not shure ....but i can try ... its my modem the trouble ?
[11:35] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: perhaps irq
[11:35] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: "I have dhclient3"
[11:35] <XVampireX_> "no dhpcd"
[11:35] <godlkwrth> okay issue a kill
[11:35] <godlkwrth> to that process
[11:35] <_rigonatti_> humm...ok...but i think thats is not possible in BIOS
[11:35] <_rigonatti_> crimsun: have another way ?
[11:35] <godlkwrth> should be in the menu options somewhere, or a right click may have it
[11:36] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: But next time the computer is restarted, it will be there again, right?
[11:36] <crimsun> _rigonatti_: please check the bios at least
[11:36] <godlkwrth> shouldn't
[11:36] <XVampireX_> Alright :)
[11:36] <_rigonatti_> ok...let me finish my Adept update....is almost 98%
[11:36] <XVampireX_> godlkwrth: "insufficient permissions"
[11:37] <godlkwrth> ah
[11:37] <godlkwrth> what does the title say
[11:37] <XVampireX_> I told him to get the PID and do kill through konsole
[11:37] <godlkwrth> "KDE System Guard"?
[11:37] <godlkwrth> yeah that will work too
[11:38] <godlkwrth> sudo killall -9 dhclient3
[11:38] <XVampireX_> Okey :)
[11:39] <godlkwrth> and hopefully it hasn't renewed the lease since the time we edited it
[11:39] <XVampireX_> It did once
[11:40] <XVampireX_> But he put it back to the DNS server
[11:40] <XVampireX_> and then killed it
[11:40] <godlkwrth> i wish all network devices would play nice, so this wouldn't be necessary :P
[11:41] <XVampireX_> Yeah :-/
[11:41] <godlkwrth> what router is it?
[11:41] <XVampireX_> Thanks again :)
[11:42] <XVampireX_> It's b-focus 312+
[11:42] <XVampireX_> It's router integrated in a modem
[11:42] <godlkwrth> ok, so everything works now?
[11:42] <XVampireX_> Supposedly, yeah
[11:44] <godlkwrth> cool.
[11:46] <XVampireX_> Thanks :D
[11:46] <godlkwrth> np
[11:47] <ederich> hallo, anybody know if kubuntu live comes with KILE installed?
[11:47] <xwolf--> what is it?
[11:47] <dickhall> latex
[11:47] <ederich> kile the latex enviroment
[11:47] <dickhall> I don't think so... kubuntu Breezy doesn't have it, at least
[11:51] <godlkwrth> it's in universe
[11:58] <james_xxx> would there be anyone here who is familiar with the Opera web browser? i am having issues with it
[11:58] <ederich> a bit
[11:59] <apokryphos> !helpme
[11:59] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[11:59] <james_xxx> ederich: well, i had installed opera a few weeks ago. and it worked fine until this afternoon. now it won't work at all
[12:00] <james_xxx> when i type 'opera' into the terminal , i get 'segmentation fault'
[12:00] <ederich> ?
[12:02] <james_xxx> yeah, i have no clue either. i have tried re-installing opera... i have un-installed it... and then installed it once more. nothing seems to help
[12:02] <james_xxx> apokryphos: do you have any suggestions?
[12:03] <chuck> Hi, I can not change my screen resoulation off of 640x480 any suggestions