=== mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182062151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-85-40.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:41] greetings [05:42] howdy === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-85-40.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:07] ze pilot [07:08] hi [07:08] greetz [07:10] gah... tired. Nine hours at work w/ a 90 minute commute each way, new job... === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [07:30] uggh [07:30] ugggllleeeee === Madpilot [n=brian@S0106001150603f7d.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dizz1 [n=valentyn@dslb-082-083-060-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [09:01] what is that button under ubuntu logo everywhere? [09:01] why? [09:02] do you know what i mean? [09:02] which button? [09:02] i ve just updated ubuntu and i see the new artwork [09:03] on the panel [09:03] near the applications [09:03] it must be removed [09:03] the logo in the top-left corner? [09:03] yes [09:04] also under system/about ubuntu [09:04] yes [09:04] you see it? [09:05] of course. [09:06] why must Ubuntu's own logo be removed from the Ubuntu desktop, anyway? [09:06] i think it should be like in gnome [09:06] with the foot instead? [09:06] not the logo but the button under [09:06] you know? [09:07] yesterday it was without a button [09:07] no, I've never used a 'pure' Gnome desktop, only Ubuntu's and a couple of other distro's [09:07] still not sure what you mean by 'the button under'... [09:08] there's a square under the logo [09:09] the square looks like a button [09:09] square as a background [09:09] I'm still running Ubuntu 5.10, and there's no square, just the logo... [09:10] oh.... [09:10] I had to say that [09:10] are you running Dapper? [09:10] im using the dapper [09:11] anyway [09:11] where can i give my suggestins about the artwork? [09:11] the artwork team mailing list is probably best [09:12] do you have a link? [09:14] sure, just a sec [09:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam [09:22] you are a member of the ubuntu-art team! [09:23] so you are the person who i should talk [09:24] my opinion is: remove the square beneath the logo === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [09:24] Madpilot: [09:25] dizz1, can you stick a screenshot up so I can see this square? [09:26] yeah! [09:34] dizz1, I'm signing off for the night. Post a screenshot somewhere, and send the URL to the artteam mailing list === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Well,] [09:36] Madpilot: thanx for helping === dizz1 [n=valentyn@dslb-082-083-060-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === dborg [n=daniel@e182062151.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:34] guys really don't mess with ubuntu artwork please! [11:35] this button under ubuntu logo is just ugly - same with thrash icon [11:35] please revert to previous artwork which was nice and clean === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dborg [n=daniel@e182061092.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dsas [n=dean@host86-128-13-71.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:03] Wow [03:03] i'm testing OpenSuSE 10.1 [03:03] that is so pretty [03:03] so professionnal [03:32] testing gnome or kde? [03:32] cause the kde in it is shit [03:32] but hey, we all expected that [03:32] time for a nap === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] === lapo_ [n=bat@host166-243.pool8546.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:39] hi [03:41] hi === Who_ [n=jonny@194-247-243-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dsas_ [n=dean@host86-128-13-71.range86-128.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:10] heya [04:13] hi [04:13] dholbach: quiet, isn't it :) [04:14] dholbach: do we still ship gnome-themes ? [04:14] yeah, we do [04:14] Who_: that's how we get gtk2-engine-pixbuf: ubuntu-desktop -> gnome-themes -> g-e-pixbuf [04:14] so we're happy over there as well [04:15] no new depends to do, wihch makes me happy === z_diver [n=someone@ip68-5-168-200.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:15] dholbach: wouldn't it be nice to drop gnome-themes except accessibility themes ? [04:15] dholbach: wow, you gotta be on top of this :) [04:15] bersace: no, can't do that - people who upgrade will loose their themes, if they selected them. [04:16] ? [04:16] bersace: we'd remove them under their seat, that doesn't work. [04:16] if ubuntu-desktop does not depend on a package, it will be removed ??? [04:16] dholbach: does it hurt to make ubuntu-desktop depend on pixbuf? [04:16] Who_: agree [04:16] Who_: it depends on gnome-themes, which depends on pixbuf, so there's no need for that [04:17] dholbach: okie, I was just thinking about dropping gnome-themes in the future, but I guess that isn't likely to happen...? [04:17] bersace: Matt asked us to not do last minute seed changes (which change ubuntu-{desktop,minimal,...} [04:17] dholbach: how about the nuoveXT icons? Is there any problem with including them? [04:18] no, I fear not this time [04:18] z_diver: where are those? it's a complete new icon set to get on the CD? [04:18] dholbach: of course, that is more intended for edgy [04:18] bersace: ok, let's discuss it then. [04:18] that would be nice to have Artteam selected theme only including an accessibility theme [04:18] dholbach: yes, both industrialXT and GrayXT count on them [04:19] I can send them to you. [04:19] dholbach: but is there space [04:19] bersace: that doesn't work either. we need *all* of the themes, as disabled people have different impairements. there is no "one size fits all" theme for them. === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-045-244.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:19] z_diver: there is no space, not at all. [04:19] dholbach: you mean that we need several accessibility theme ? [04:19] I wasn't aware of the new icon and it's far to late to package it and get it approved for main, included in the seeds etc. [04:19] bersace: yes. [04:19] that's not the problem, [04:20] dholbach: OK. we need to alter the depency then [04:20] bersace: you can ask on ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com about that. [04:20] z_diver: in which way? what do you propose? [04:20] dholbach: change both those to use the Human icons in the metatheme file [04:20] I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I'd have been happy with all this kind of information some days ago :-/ [04:20] i want to drop Grand Canyon, Glider, Mist, Ocean Dream, Simple Smockey Blue and Traditionnal [04:20] Summary of themes and dependencies; GrayXT: Pixbuf (ubuntu-desktop-->gnome-themes); LegacyHuman: Clearlooks (ubuntu-desktop); DapperDrake, Silicon, Human: UbuntuLooks (ubuntu-artwork); Resilience: Smooth (ubuntu-desktop) [04:20] z_diver: is that something the other people hit me for? [04:21] bersace: drop as in how? [04:21] ? [04:21] do not ship it by default. [04:21] ask on ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com about that. [04:21] dholbach: I don't think this was done on time and it's a big mess now. [04:22] dholbach: andreasn is planning an accessibility icon theme for edgy and i think I'll help him [04:22] lapo: that sounds marvellous [04:22] z_diver: I perfectly agree. [04:22] dholbach: I guessed the nuoveXT icons were too big in the begining [04:22] dholbach: i just want to know if the artwork team is the team that decide which themes are shiped (except accessibility theme which are choosed by accessibility team) [04:22] z_diver: does Human fit with that? [04:22] dholbach: Do you have the email I sent you with the original GraXT themes - it linked to the NuoveXT icons [04:22] dholbach: not great. [04:23] bersace: it has to be in accordance with everybody else. === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:23] dholbach: Let me have a look for althernatives. [04:23] hi all [04:23] Who_: I can't package and get them on the CD now - it's too late for that. [04:23] dholbach: okay, so we need to change the Gray and Industrial themes to use some other icons? [04:23] Who_: we already had to drop language-packs and make room for the 2,5 MB of artwork. [04:23] Who_: yes, for Dapper. [04:23] Who_: Yeah, we need to find something on there that will look nice and work. [04:24] dholbach: okay on to it now [04:24] Who_: things would have been different some days or weeks ago, but it's a bad time to get a new icon theme packaged, approved for main, added to the seeds and other stuff remove for it. [04:24] Anyone know which icon themes we have by default on the CD [04:24] tango, tangerine, human, gnome [04:24] dholbach: is there the possibility of having NuoveXT somewhere in the repos? [04:25] okay, I'm gonna go with Tangerine for GrayXT, and Gnome for IndustrialXT [04:25] any objections? [04:25] in fact, Tango for Industrial, cos we don't have that anywhere else as selectable [04:25] Who_: I think it's too late for nuoveXT - I'm very busy with the Dapper release [04:25] Who_: How about Tango for Industrrial [04:26] dholbach: okay. Edgy it is :) [04:26] z_diver: great minds.... [04:26] Who_: blue and blue at leat [04:26] Who_: least [04:26] z_diver: see above :) I agree [04:26] hello sabdfl ! [04:26] can you drop me a quick mail with the changes I need to do for the icons for the themes? [04:27] dholbach: sure thing [04:27] i just want to know if the artwork team is the team that decide which themes are shiped (except accessibility theme which are choosed by accessibility team) [04:27] what is tango for industrial? [04:27] z_diver: thanks [04:27] dholbach: will do. Is it too much to rename GrayXT and IndustrialXT as they no longer ahve any XT to them? === bersace reposted to sabdfl [04:27] lapo: I think it may work === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-85-40.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:27] Who_: we have industrial already in the archive, for grayxt we have to hope that nobody uses it already [04:28] Who_: which means, that I'm not so happy about changing the names now [04:28] okay. I'll keep them [04:28] ok thanks [04:28] dholbach: - or add a Tangerine to the end or somethin - I guess the folder structure has to be redone anyway? [04:29] Who_: I'll take care of the directory issues of the themes [04:30] sholbach: it is essential that the name of the directory matches the name in the index.theme file - that is how the names of the themes are done - if you change the directory name you must also change the name of the gtk theme in dirname/index.theme [04:30] dholbach: it is essential that the name of the directory matches the name in the index.theme file - that is how the names of the themes are done - if you change the directory name you must also change the name of the gtk theme in dirname/index.theme [04:31] tangerine and tango-icon-theme follow the tango style guidelines, so for an original theme we could just ship a minimal set of icons (let's say folders, trashbin, and some other random stuff) done following the guidelins [04:31] and iherits the rest from tango or tangerine [04:32] lapo: That's a nice idea. [04:32] something similar to what windows95 plus pack did [04:32] z_diver: it is what we will be do for gnome themes probably [04:33] Who_: according to the quick look I had on the gconf keys, it's the name - but i'm sure at some point it needs to be resolved to the directory it's in. so better not mess with it now. [04:33] lapo: for all of them === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [04:33] please drop me a mail with all the icon decisions for the themes and i'll get it done with the next upload. [04:33] surelly "crux refresh" I'm working on with thos will use a minimal set of tango style icons [04:33] dholbach: ok [04:34] well the "crux refresh" thos is working is more correct :-) === Who_ [n=jonny@194-247-243-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:35] lapo: but the four themes listed above will be complete won't they? [04:36] z_diver: dunno about those theme sorry [04:36] dholbach: about g-e-pixbuf, is ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-artwork that actually need it ? [04:36] lapo:I have IconTheme=Tangerine in my metatheme but it seems not to work, any ideas? [04:37] lapo: my mistake" I don't have them installed! [04:37] bersace: i'll think about it [04:39] Is it true that tango, tangerine, human and gnome icon sets are to be included in full? [04:39] ok - anyone ready to test these themes? I need an opinion on whether Tangerine is OK with Gray too, not just to know if they work [04:40] Who_: I have about 5 minutes ;) [04:40] okay :) [04:41] Who_: are you sending somethign or do you want me to test what I have here. [04:41] I am sending... [04:42] My current thinking is that GrayXT looks better with Gnome icons than Tangerine - opinions? [04:44] Anyone? [04:45] Who_: wait [04:46] Who_: Something should change. [04:46] z_diver: go on... [04:46] Who_: I think the window border is too light and doesn't stand out [04:47] Who_: I'll test with the gnome icons now. [04:47] Who_: I do like the Industial with Tango. Nice. [04:48] dholbach: urrm... I assume neither tango-silicon nor Gion icons are included either - I just checked the other that are supposed to be included, Dapper-Drake uses Gion and Silicon uses Tango-Silicon... :S [04:48] urg urg urg [04:48] z_diver: I know we are making changes but I would l;ike to stick to what was voted on as closely as possible... [04:48] we need this adapted to the "real world" [04:49] dholbach: okay - there is no space for any more icons, right? [04:49] Who_: I realize that too. It was just a thought. [04:49] Who_: no there isn't and I don't have time to package it up for universe or whatever, i'm sorry [04:50] Who_: I think grey needs some color. I like the Tangerine icons [04:51] dholbach: OK - just in case - Gion is only a 314 k download (it falls back on to Tango) - any chance? [04:51] no, not the time, really [04:51] dholbach: shall I get those in IRC to choose an icon set already included for each theme or do we need to axe a theme or two? [04:51] it takes time to get it 1) packaged, 2) approved as a package including licensing etc, 3) to get it through security review, 4) approved for main, 5) added to the seeds (to appear in ubuntu-desktop [04:51] dholbach: Which brings up the point that Dapper-Drake needs Gion [04:52] there's no time for new icon themes, really not [04:52] greetz all. [04:52] dholbach: So that nees to be changed too. BVC will want to choose it. [04:52] so either you decided on a theme, which looks good or you axe it [04:52] it's your call [04:53] I think we understand that now [04:53] and I know it makes people unhappy, but that's how life is ~2 days before relase [04:53] and i'm very busy [04:53] really [04:53] sorry. [04:53] Who_: about Gray, maybe Tango-noir :) [04:53] troy_s: we are having a bit of a crisis - no space for new icon themes so either we axe a theme or assign an icon set out of Tango, Tangerine, Human or Gnome to apply to theme [04:54] dholbach: I think we all know this is really our fault for not getting things done sooner :) [04:54] Who_: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=38964 [04:54] Who_: thanks. [04:54] hrm... [04:54] axe a theme then [04:54] bersace: it is _really_ clear there is _NO way_ we can inlude new icons ... [04:54] I don't want to appear with a picture on the art team's dart board. :-) [04:54] daniel, everyone knows or should know that you work like a bloody dog. [04:55] dholbach: since we haven't even made a debs for our themes I think that would ba a bit rich [04:56] so the options are axe or borrow? [04:56] troy_s: pretty much [04:56] Who_: of course. [04:57] so people: the themes we currently have problems with are Dapper-Drake and Silicon What are we going to do? [04:57] Silicon is Mikkel, Dapper Drake is Billy, I believe...right? [04:57] troy_s: bvc is going to want to pick for Dapper I bet [04:57] Who_: right [04:58] squeaky wheels always prevail for some reason. [04:58] had we had launchpad in order [04:58] well we have very limited time - can we get hold of bvc so quickly? [04:58] troy_s: later! we need to work this out now [04:58] we could have it polled and done. but now it is going to seem a little undemocratic. this leads me to believe that once again, [04:59] well just vote. [04:59] troy_s: dapper is not democratic, edgy will === bersace hope so [04:59] it's not terribly democratic, but daniel needs a solution [04:59] :) [04:59] drop unusable theme [04:59] So: Dapper-Drake who votes to axe it, who votes for new icons? [04:59] bersace: at our current structure level, it is going to be the same [04:59] axe [04:59] two votes for axe [04:59] axe [04:59] three votes for axe [04:59] who else is alive? [04:59] axe wht [05:00] We still need to pick themes [05:00] or at least icons themes [05:00] axe Dapper-Drake cos it has no icons [05:00] axe [05:00] What do we have left? [05:00] yes... go with the ones that are most complete seems to make the most sense [05:00] sorry troy_s - I was explaining to z_diver [05:00] who: with you brother. [05:01] Now Silicon: I propose we keep but use Human or Gnome icons [05:01] Dapper can use Human icons [05:01] too bright? [05:01] Resilience is not shipped [05:01] someone mock up a quick wiki [05:01] or at least provide links. [05:02] someone got the links? i am half baked awake here... morning. [05:02] I'm on my way to work so I can't do it. [05:02] I'll vote if there is a change [05:02] chance [05:02] ok. I'll get a wiki page up [05:03] Silicon is not shipped too . [05:03] :S [05:03] I thought I saw both Silicon and Resilience [05:03] erk! [05:03] well what way are you leaning now z before you are off? [05:03] at least you had a bit of a say [05:04] cuz resolution has to happen in how long daniel? one hour? [05:04] half hour? [05:05] I'd like to find appropriate icon sets from the four available, tango, tangerine, humman and gnome and be done with it. [05:05] dissolving kickstart artwork team now cuz mark added more admins [05:05] thank god. [05:05] deleting themes seems like hard on users, while new themes entirely seems like more work. [05:06] so patch up the ones we have [05:06] I do have to run. I'll leave my vote as that. Good luck. If I have a chance I'll check back in. [05:07] AND THANKS TO ALL [05:12] so everyone is leaving, who you still here bro? === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:13] ok, wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Content/DapperThemes_OLD [05:14] troy_s: we need to make a decision on this really soon so Daniel can package in time [05:14] yep [05:14] and the mailing list is going nuts [05:14] nuts? [05:14] what kind of nuts? [05:14] completely bonkers [05:14] um like 50 mails [05:14] in about 3 seconds [05:15] I haven't got them yet! [05:15] in response to my email? [05:16] i will launchpad [05:16] the poll... [05:16] is it as you have it there who? [05:17] for what it is worth, even though it won't get done correctly... [05:17] can you link me? [05:18] hold. [05:18] Troy: I see no mails to the list about it...? maybe gmail is slow? [05:18] who [05:18] can you tell me: [05:19] we must axe how many === jhemono [n=jhemono@84.5.151.169] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:19] and how many stay? [05:19] quick... i want to get it up. [05:19] Who? [05:19] we need to axe none! we need to decde which icons to apply to each theme [05:20] or to axe them [05:20] look at the wiki page, it more or less explains === jhemon1 [n=jhemono@84.6.211.3] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:22] troy_s: are there replies to my email on the mailing list? cos if not then we need to do something - no-one has edited the wiki... [05:23] dammit === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:23] this polling thing would be nice if i had like six minutes to get the damn thing out. [05:23] time issues... working. [05:25] pascal [05:25] kelpas: Ideas on the themes and icons? [05:25] keep Tango, Tangerine and Human [05:25] I need to do it now cos Daniel needs the decisions and files [05:25] i don't mind about the rest particularly :) [05:25] we do keep the cions we have to apply icons to themes [05:25] and i'm off for some much needed sleep [05:26] okay, can you just add your name to the wiki for each option before you go? [05:26] as it's getting earlier by the minute and i've got classes today :) [05:26] sure [05:26] you know which page? [05:27] troy_s - could you get your name on the wiki too, please? [05:27] yah... [05:27] ok it was brutal and it sucks, but launchpad now has a poll listed. [05:28] lord knows that i was supposed to understand how to to it from the outset with no prior knowledge. [05:29] now we have two polls - does that help? [05:29] and no options :) [05:29] and no permission to add any [05:30] bah [05:30] ah well [05:30] i'll add my name in the wiki [05:30] as i really need to be off [05:30] I still see no options. Can we _please_ just use the wiki for now [05:30] Who_: we vote using the wiki ? [05:30] I'd like it to be like that [05:30] yea [05:30] the wiki works no whereas Launchpad will take some time [05:30] just this one last time [05:31] launchpad is done [05:31] not correct [05:31] but done [05:31] i guessed on the times... [05:31] life moves on [05:31] i at least knew where the hell to go with it. [05:32] Please note that IndustrialInspirate looks really good with Tango :) [05:32] blah... just make a decision. daniel needs one. [05:32] at this point, it is completely throwing darts at a board. [05:32] I have :) [05:32] (well a little better than that, but alas, crisis) [05:33] what is this T.I.F.O? [05:33] Who_: voted [05:33] troy_s: I'm just trying to sway the directino of your darts :) [05:33] bersace: Thanks :) [05:33] shit [05:33] someone vote during me :) [05:33] Yah i just put use use use... [05:33] laf love the wiki for crisis laf. [05:33] klepas !!!!! :) [05:33] sorry, these tables are annoying [05:34] there we go [05:34] :) [05:34] all happy now [05:34] bersace: I can't see your votes yet? [05:34] as i was editig [05:34] bersace: go for it now :) [05:34] :) [05:34] tables are annoying, but this structure is worse :) [05:34] see where i was going the last week or so pascal? [05:35] and finally mark stood up so hopefully people will listen now. [05:35] job done [05:35] :) [05:35] cool [05:35] poke poke [05:35] alrighty, that's it for me. [05:35] thanks for at least trying pas. [05:35] huh? [05:35] thanks bersace [05:36] i find that voting with a wiki is quite ugly [05:36] interesting... [05:36] revision problem. [05:36] one moment [05:36] no one editing i hope as i fix a vote [05:37] guys, I have to step out for 15 mins, but I'll be back - I have a feeling it's gonna fall to me to do the final pre-packaging for sending to Daniel (as in I told him I would ) [05:38] but I still don't see anything on the ML!? [05:38] well i am off [05:38] sleep [05:38] cheerio folks [05:38] seeya === klepas is now known as klepas|Zzz [05:41] who run with it... at least you are here. [05:41] troy_s: do you wanna icons and hackergotchi for ubuntu-art on launchpad ? [05:41] yah i'll get to that... [05:41] scrambling... must make coffee for wifey === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-85-40.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:42] Who_: hh ! : http://wikipoll.free.fr/mediawiki-1.6.5/index.php?title=Main_Page [05:44] well this sucks [05:45] i can' t add ubuntu-art mailing list as a contact until it gets confirmed... and i think the spam trap caught it. [05:45]