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| nictuku | hi | 12:13 |
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| nictuku | neuralis, you're not going to the dev summit, either? | 12:38 |
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| nictuku | spike, are you there? | 02:26 |
| spike | nictuku: sorta yeah, almost 2am here | 02:28 |
| spike | nictuku: how's n-u going? | 02:29 |
| nictuku | spike, very well, although I'd like to continue the discussion you started about its scope | 02:32 |
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| spike | nictuku: I'd be pleased to. I've been talking aroun with some friends about it, and they seemed interested, hopefully we'll agreed for a core group and start coding something ppl can play with | 02:33 |
| nictuku | IMO, it's not always true that ServerLand overrides NetworkWideUpdates | 02:33 |
| nictuku | spike, but coding for serverland or network updates? | 02:34 |
| nictuku | https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu/roadmap | 02:34 |
| spike | nictuku: coding that thing I was proposing, which is kinda on the lines of serverland. n-u would be one of the "connected" tools | 02:36 |
| spike | I'm looking at the roadmap | 02:37 |
| nictuku | did you see http://trac.mcs.anl.gov/projects/bcfg2 ? | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | hello | 02:37 |
| nictuku | ajmitch, hi | 02:37 |
| spike | nictuku: yes, but that's something cfengine like | 02:38 |
| nictuku | spike, my point is that nwu is useful even for small and medium-sized networks, and serverland is much more complex | 02:38 |
| spike | nictuku: perfectly agree on that | 02:38 |
| nictuku | but I miss a broader discussion on that. there is even the possibility that canonical is writing a tool that could also replace nwu | 02:40 |
| spike | nictuku: bcfg2 doesnt cover what I want to do. mine is more like cant_rememmber_the_name, it's not sugarcrm... damn | 02:42 |
| spike | anyway, that one is more inventory,CRM/ticket related. mine could/will maybe include that part too but starting small it'll be oriented at monitoring in the beginning | 02:43 |
| spike | nictuku: ah, didnt know that. thought nwu *was* what canonical was investing | 02:43 |
| spike | the one that was gonna be the official product, that is | 02:43 |
| nictuku | spike, well, that's what I wanted to be confirmed, maybe in the UFK | 02:44 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: you're going to be in paris? | 02:45 |
| nictuku | ajmitch, unfortunately, not | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | ah | 02:45 |
| spike | what does it take to partecipate? | 02:45 |
| ajmitch | then I guess you'll just have to spec it out well beforehand :) | 02:45 |
| nictuku | ajmitch, it's already spec'ed, but I don't know if it's approved | 02:46 |
| nictuku | michael vogt wrote that before dapper | 02:46 |
| nictuku | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | right | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | and have you updated the spec to say that you have an implementation now? | 02:47 |
| nictuku | yes | 02:48 |
| nictuku | "UPDATE: YvesJunqueira (nictuku) is working on that. Milestone1 is not far. See [WWW] https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu" | 02:48 |
| neuralis | nictuku: i will be in paris | 02:48 |
| ajmitch | hi neuralis | 02:49 |
| neuralis | nictuku: also, canonical has apparently been funding the development of a web-based tool for managing entire ubuntu networks, and it's quite possible they've implemented something like nwu as part of it. i don't have concrete information yet. | 02:49 |
| neuralis | hey ajmitch. | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | neuralis: that secretive landscape-client? | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | which mysteriously slipped into the desktop seeds with no info a few days ago? | 02:50 |
| neuralis | ajmitch: yes. | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | if so, I think it's a very bad way to do development, when the rest of us are kept in the dark like that :) | 02:51 |
| nictuku | neuralis, my implementation is almost 100% adherent to the spec already, so the secrecy of this project is counter-productive | 02:51 |
| neuralis | http://ln-s.net/ALs | 02:52 |
| neuralis | search for "there is" in the page, read that paragraph | 02:52 |
| nictuku | :-( | 02:53 |
| nictuku | strangely enough, mark himself knew I was writing nwu, and was very supportive | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | great | 02:53 |
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| nictuku | SoC? | 02:54 |
| neuralis | ajmitch: i can't say i understand what went on there. | 02:54 |
| neuralis | nictuku: summer of code. | 02:54 |
| nictuku | summer of code.. | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | nictuku: I'm doing the network authentication project | 02:55 |
| nictuku | I don't want to see a scandal, but do you guys think that should be discussed in the lists, using this publicly available information I have? | 02:55 |
| === ajmitch will just work on it & see what happens | ||
| nictuku | ajmitch, that is my plan too, even after hearing a rumor that project existed =] | 02:57 |
| neuralis | nictuku: i certainly think you're free to write to ubuntu-devel and ask what's going on. | 02:57 |
| neuralis | what confuses me is that both mark and jane extol the all-development-out-in-the-open model, so either we're operating from incomplete information, or something strange is going on. | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | neuralis: that's what I question | 02:57 |
| nictuku | +1 there | 02:58 |
| ajmitch | I'd say that either the network auth project I'm doing won't overlap, or even the distro team people have been kept in the dark :) | 02:58 |
| nictuku | I think that project is closed-source | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | closed for now, but going to be open, you think? | 03:01 |
| nictuku | a canonical-hosted service | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | ah | 03:01 |
| nictuku | no, I don't think | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | that would be interesting | 03:01 |
| nictuku | like a microsoft SUS with a free SUS client | 03:01 |
| neuralis | it won't be canonical-hosted; it really can't be. | 03:02 |
| neuralis | if it's closed source, i imagine it'll be a proprietary product for which businesses may purchase a license (and possibly obtain the source). | 03:02 |
| neuralis | but this is stupid speculation; we should just wait to hear what's going on. | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | I agree | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | it's only a few days until dapper releases | 03:02 |
| neuralis | ajmitch: the interview said this won't be ready for dapper; i imagine the real landscape-client will just trickle in through -updates eventually. | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | I'd imagine so | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | neuralis: on a different note, what would you prefer to see in edgy? apparmor or selinux? :) | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | considering that debian is getting selinux integration for etch | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | I imagine specs for both will get written up & may get discussed in paris | 03:09 |
| neuralis | i quite like apparmor's apache integration, and i haven't seen selinux doing anything similar, though i haven't been looking at selinux particularly closely in a long time | 03:12 |
| neuralis | it's actually been a long time in general since i've paid attention to linux mac solutions | 03:12 |
| neuralis | mostly, they're just about 1-3 orders of magnitude too complex to be of any practical benefit. | 03:12 |
| infinity | nictuku: Even if landscape turns out to be a complete replacement for NWU, there's no reason to drop NWU, since landscape will be a subscription service. | 03:20 |
| infinity | nictuku: Plenty of more frugal admins (or people like me) would prefer to have something like NWU that is both Free and free. | 03:21 |
| nictuku | infinity, good to hear that | 03:22 |
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| daxxar | Hm. infinity, I think I got it solved. Again, thanks to you, frinkillo and gpd. :-) | 07:37 |
| daxxar | I ran it for ~6 hours of MemTest86 after I removed the memorystick I suspected of being bad, no errors. | 07:37 |
| daxxar | .. Or not. | 08:15 |
| daxxar | Bloody hell. :| | 08:52 |
| daxxar | Guess it's the CPU or mobo then. *sigh* Guess I'll have to test it when I get back home. | 08:52 |
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