=== Mysta_ [n=Mysta@63.90.190.232] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:13] hi === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:38] neuralis, you're not going to the dev summit, either? === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-server === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:26] spike, are you there? [02:28] nictuku: sorta yeah, almost 2am here [02:29] nictuku: how's n-u going? [02:32] spike, very well, although I'd like to continue the discussion you started about its scope === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:33] nictuku: I'd be pleased to. I've been talking aroun with some friends about it, and they seemed interested, hopefully we'll agreed for a core group and start coding something ppl can play with [02:33] IMO, it's not always true that ServerLand overrides NetworkWideUpdates [02:34] spike, but coding for serverland or network updates? [02:34] https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu/roadmap [02:36] nictuku: coding that thing I was proposing, which is kinda on the lines of serverland. n-u would be one of the "connected" tools [02:37] I'm looking at the roadmap [02:37] did you see http://trac.mcs.anl.gov/projects/bcfg2 ? [02:37] hello [02:37] ajmitch, hi [02:38] nictuku: yes, but that's something cfengine like [02:38] spike, my point is that nwu is useful even for small and medium-sized networks, and serverland is much more complex [02:38] nictuku: perfectly agree on that [02:40] but I miss a broader discussion on that. there is even the possibility that canonical is writing a tool that could also replace nwu [02:42] nictuku: bcfg2 doesnt cover what I want to do. mine is more like cant_rememmber_the_name, it's not sugarcrm... damn [02:43] anyway, that one is more inventory,CRM/ticket related. mine could/will maybe include that part too but starting small it'll be oriented at monitoring in the beginning [02:43] nictuku: ah, didnt know that. thought nwu *was* what canonical was investing [02:43] the one that was gonna be the official product, that is [02:44] spike, well, that's what I wanted to be confirmed, maybe in the UFK [02:45] nictuku: you're going to be in paris? [02:45] ajmitch, unfortunately, not [02:45] ah [02:45] what does it take to partecipate? [02:45] then I guess you'll just have to spec it out well beforehand :) [02:46] ajmitch, it's already spec'ed, but I don't know if it's approved [02:46] michael vogt wrote that before dapper [02:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkWideUpdates [02:47] right [02:47] and have you updated the spec to say that you have an implementation now? [02:48] yes [02:48] "UPDATE: YvesJunqueira (nictuku) is working on that. Milestone1 is not far. See [WWW] https://dev.ubuntubrasil.org/trac/nwu" [02:48] nictuku: i will be in paris [02:49] hi neuralis [02:49] nictuku: also, canonical has apparently been funding the development of a web-based tool for managing entire ubuntu networks, and it's quite possible they've implemented something like nwu as part of it. i don't have concrete information yet. [02:49] hey ajmitch. [02:50] neuralis: that secretive landscape-client? [02:50] which mysteriously slipped into the desktop seeds with no info a few days ago? [02:51] ajmitch: yes. [02:51] if so, I think it's a very bad way to do development, when the rest of us are kept in the dark like that :) [02:51] neuralis, my implementation is almost 100% adherent to the spec already, so the secrecy of this project is counter-productive [02:52] http://ln-s.net/ALs [02:52] search for "there is" in the page, read that paragraph [02:53] :-( [02:53] strangely enough, mark himself knew I was writing nwu, and was very supportive [02:53] great === ajmitch wonders how much of the SoC project will still be relevant after this [02:54] SoC? [02:54] ajmitch: i can't say i understand what went on there. [02:54] nictuku: summer of code. [02:54] summer of code.. [02:55] nictuku: I'm doing the network authentication project [02:55] I don't want to see a scandal, but do you guys think that should be discussed in the lists, using this publicly available information I have? === ajmitch will just work on it & see what happens [02:57] ajmitch, that is my plan too, even after hearing a rumor that project existed =] [02:57] nictuku: i certainly think you're free to write to ubuntu-devel and ask what's going on. [02:57] what confuses me is that both mark and jane extol the all-development-out-in-the-open model, so either we're operating from incomplete information, or something strange is going on. [02:57] neuralis: that's what I question [02:58] +1 there [02:58] I'd say that either the network auth project I'm doing won't overlap, or even the distro team people have been kept in the dark :) [03:01] I think that project is closed-source [03:01] closed for now, but going to be open, you think? [03:01] a canonical-hosted service [03:01] ah [03:01] no, I don't think [03:01] that would be interesting [03:01] like a microsoft SUS with a free SUS client [03:02] it won't be canonical-hosted; it really can't be. [03:02] if it's closed source, i imagine it'll be a proprietary product for which businesses may purchase a license (and possibly obtain the source). [03:02] but this is stupid speculation; we should just wait to hear what's going on. [03:02] I agree [03:02] it's only a few days until dapper releases [03:04] ajmitch: the interview said this won't be ready for dapper; i imagine the real landscape-client will just trickle in through -updates eventually. [03:04] I'd imagine so [03:05] neuralis: on a different note, what would you prefer to see in edgy? apparmor or selinux? :) [03:05] considering that debian is getting selinux integration for etch [03:09] I imagine specs for both will get written up & may get discussed in paris [03:12] i quite like apparmor's apache integration, and i haven't seen selinux doing anything similar, though i haven't been looking at selinux particularly closely in a long time [03:12] it's actually been a long time in general since i've paid attention to linux mac solutions [03:12] mostly, they're just about 1-3 orders of magnitude too complex to be of any practical benefit. [03:20] nictuku: Even if landscape turns out to be a complete replacement for NWU, there's no reason to drop NWU, since landscape will be a subscription service. [03:21] nictuku: Plenty of more frugal admins (or people like me) would prefer to have something like NWU that is both Free and free. [03:22] infinity, good to hear that === jmg [n=jmg@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === jmg [n=jmg@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === jmg__ [n=jmg@shinobi.thoughtcrime.org.nz] has joined #ubuntu-server === paulb [n=paulb@c-67-171-42-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === paulb [n=paulb@c-67-171-42-23.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Konversation] === gr3yj4y [n=root@h185.248.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === gr3yj4y [n=root@h185.248.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:37] Hm. infinity, I think I got it solved. Again, thanks to you, frinkillo and gpd. :-) [07:37] I ran it for ~6 hours of MemTest86 after I removed the memorystick I suspected of being bad, no errors. [08:15] .. Or not. 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