[12:09] <mhz> ogra: is there anything I can do? I mean, we have only few days left and we should have at least seen what this is going to be like
[12:09] <mhz> I mean, I love surprises but not just this kind of.
[12:09] <ogra> nothing anyone can do ... it was a public holiday in uk today, so i couldnt ask silbs for a sample
[12:10] <mhz> hmm...
[12:10] <ogra> but i dont expect them to look bad 
[12:10] <ogra> the last ubuntu CD covers looked all good, it will be the same company i guess
[12:11] <mhz> me neither, but it is killing me the fact that it is almost 1st and we nobody here knows anything about it (not seen it)
[12:11] <mhz> I was planning to invite some journalists for breakfast on the 1st
[12:11] <mhz> and demo edubuntu to them
[12:11] <ogra> cool
[12:11] <ogra> !#
[12:11] <ubotu> ogra: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:11] <mhz> and i gotta burn and print at least a couple of CDs (7)
[12:12] <mhz> so, if they are ready, I'd like to at least have them ready for print at night time of wednesday.
[12:13] <mhz> OR, it will mean I'll have to add another ToDo to my list :( and design anything for 1st
[12:13] <mhz> but that would mean I'll come up with something totally diff from "official"
[12:14] <mhz> which is not wise in this case
[12:14] <mhz> I guess you understand my point
[02:44] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:54] <mhz> I know this is VERY off topic but does anyone here recommends any application for cyber cafes?
[07:25] <jsgotangco> ogra: did amd64 explode? it looks a wee bit bigger than usual
[07:26] <jsgotangco> (text-install)
[09:33] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:33] <blue-frog> hi
[09:37] <cbx33> hi pygi 
[09:38] <pygi> hey cbx33, how are you? :)
[09:38] <cbx33> yeh I'm good and yourself?
[09:38] <cbx33> working from home today :D
[09:38] <pygi> cbx33, fixing Diva bugs in PlastikExperimental :)
[09:39] <cbx33> ooooooooh
[09:39] <cbx33> hopefully now with ssh
[09:39] <cbx33> ssl
[09:40] <blue-frog> cbx33, do you have a tuto to set up webdav, if yes am interested
[09:40] <cbx33> I'll see what I can dig out, we cobbled it toegther last time
[09:40] <cbx33> but I will putup a howto when i get a chance
[09:40] <cbx33> it's based on the SubVersion page on the wiki
[09:40] <pygi> cbx33, do you have time?
[09:40] <cbx33> but the permissions as described ther edon;t work
[09:40] <pygi> we'll probably need help with cookbook
[09:40] <blue-frog> cool have no problem with webdav and windows but am fighting with webdav and linux
[09:41] <cbx33> so we had to install setacl
[09:41] <cbx33> pygi, sure
[09:41] <cbx33> what's left to do
[09:41] <cbx33> still section 5?
[09:41] <pygi> cbx33, nop, sec
[09:42] <pygi> cbx33, 2, 4, 5, 6,7th chapter in Section II
[09:42] <cbx33> eeeek
[09:42] <cbx33> got the link for the wiki devel page?
[09:43] <pygi> wiki devel  page? :-/
[09:43] <cbx33> the page you were putting it all together on
[09:43] <cbx33> ;)
[09:44] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet
[09:44] <pygi> This part II needs to be reworked to accomodate Cookbook needs
[09:44] <pygi> cbx33, btw. as soon as Dapper is out, we need to write how to remaster a LiveCD
[09:45] <cbx33> pygi, I'll be interested in that one
[09:45] <pygi> cbx33, that's why I am talking about it :)
[09:45] <pygi> cbx33, so could you write those parts in Section II?
[09:48] <cbx33> pygi, I'll take a look but I may need a lot of direction
[09:48] <cbx33> though I've used LTSP I'll confess I'm no expert
[09:48] <blue-frog> cbx33, someone just got me a link to what seems to be a good wbedav how-to  http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/285
[09:48] <blue-frog> should help me..
[09:48] <pygi> cbx33, just write what you can :)
[09:49] <cbx33> blue-frog, the wiki one is much easier
[09:49] <cbx33> wiki.ubuntu.com/SubVersion
[09:49] <cbx33> i think
[09:49] <cbx33> pygi, I certainly
[09:50] <cbx33> will do my best
[09:50] <cbx33> won't be able to start till a bit later, as I'm supposed to be doing work related work :p
[09:51] <cbx33> I will try my upmost to do some later
[09:51] <pygi> cbx33, as long as all is done today, I am happy :)
[09:51] <cbx33> ogra, are those isos ready for testing yet?
[09:51] <cbx33> do we have these sections from the old cookbook?
[09:51] <pygi> cbx33, nop
[09:51] <cbx33> and where is chapter I
[09:51] <jsgotangco> pygi: why would you want to remaster a new CD?
[09:51] <pygi> chapter I will be here as soon as I upload it :P
[09:51] <cbx33> jsgotangco, many reasons
[09:52] <cbx33> ok nice
[09:52] <pygi> jsgotangco, I would not like that, I would just like we have that on wiki :)
[09:52] <pygi> currently it's based on Hoary or somethin'
[09:52] <cbx33> jsgotangco, for example people might like to brand it or include some applications, or even remove some
[09:52] <jsgotangco> cbx33: preseeding
[09:52] <cbx33> yup
[10:59] <cbx33> hi all....
[10:59] <cbx33> i need someone to do me a favour
[10:59] <cbx33> hehehe
[11:09] <cbx33> ping highvoltage 
[11:39] <ogra> jsgotangco, text install amd64 looks fine to me
[11:39] <ogra> (688MB)
[11:40] <ogra> cbx33, the CD builds just started
[11:40] <cbx33> ogra, are the iso's ready?
[11:40] <cbx33> ok great
[11:40] <cbx33> I'll be waiting
[11:40] <cbx33> ping me when done
[11:40] <cbx33> I can try out the i386 ones
[11:40] <cbx33> think we can get a mac out of canonical :p - we need to test ppc more
[11:42] <jsgotangco> we truly doubt that
[11:42] <jsgotangco> if it did, the laptoptestingteam would have one already
[11:42] <jsgotangco> :D
[11:42] <cbx33> true
[11:42] <cbx33> :p
[11:42] <cbx33> dang it
[11:42] <jsgotangco> canonical spent like 30+ laptops and spread it all over the world
[11:42] <jsgotangco> all of em x86 though
[11:43] <jsgotangco> it will probably happen after eft
[11:43] <cbx33> yeh
[11:43] <jsgotangco> since the current team is tied to 3 releases
[12:44] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[12:47] <ogra> cbx33, pong
[12:48] <cbx33> ready yet ?
[12:48] <cbx33> :p
[12:51] <ogra> cbx33, watch #ubuntu-devel, then you'll see it :)
[12:57] <pc22> anyone familiar with browser hijackers?
[12:59] <pygi> highvoltage, you have  a sec?
[01:03] <highvoltage> pygi: almost literally, so you'd have to be ultra-quick :)
[01:03] <pygi> highvoltage, any news on erasing the product? :)
[01:07] <cbx33> ogra, ok
[01:07] <cbx33> highvoltage, I have those screenshots I foudn a backup if you are interestred
[01:07] <cbx33> it has practically every app
[01:18] <cbx33> pygi you got two secs?
[01:18] <pygi> cbx33, sure
[01:19] <cbx33> for installation
[01:19] <cbx33> why not use gettingstarted?
[01:19] <pygi> cbx33, needs to be reworked
[01:19] <pygi> some stuff goes in separate chapters, bla, bla ;)
[01:19] <cbx33> oh
[01:20] <cbx33> what format are we writing the cookbook in?
[01:20] <cbx33> wiki/docbook/drupal?
[01:20] <ogra> cbx33, gettingstarted is also packaged in edubuntu-docs (a bit hidden in /usr/share/edubuntu-docs/ though)
[01:20] <cbx33> ogra, right
[01:20] <pygi> cbx33, wiki
[01:21] <cbx33> ogra, is that version from the svn that i worked?
[01:21] <cbx33> pygi, ok cool
[01:21] <cbx33> so i can create links from the worksheet and work directly there ?
[01:21] <pygi> cbx33, indeed
[01:21] <ogra> cbx33, its the version highvoltage sent me for inclusion with some fixes where i found it necessary
[01:22] <cbx33> ok
[01:26] <pygi> ogra, once the Dapper is out I'll  need to have a talk to you about few things if you can and want :)
[01:27] <cbx33> hehe
[01:27] <ogra> pygi, sure
[01:27] <ogra> pygi, want to learn packaging doc packages ? :P
[01:28] <pygi> ogra, not that :)
[01:28] <pygi> shhh :)
[01:28] <ogra> sad, i was hoping :)
[01:29] <pygi> ogra, don't make me spread the rumour :)
[01:29] <cbx33> what rumour :p
[01:29] <pygi> cbx33, exactly :)
[01:35] <cbx33> I suppose I try and do too much
[01:37] <cbx33> pygi, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Installation
[01:37] <cbx33> done
[01:37] <cbx33> that ok?
[01:37] <pygi> cbx33, yup
[01:38] <ogra> the resolution selection happens only on failures
[01:38] <cbx33> I've always seen it :p
[01:39] <ogra> (if the resolution cant be determined by xresprobe because the monitor gives no clear DCC info)
[01:39] <cbx33> yeh
[01:39] <ogra> cbx33, youre installing in vmware .. :)
[01:39] <cbx33> and on laptops
[01:40] <ogra> widescreen ? 
[01:41] <cbx33> nope
[01:50] <highvoltage> pygi: the product?
[01:50] <cbx33> pygi, got a few more seconds ?
[01:50] <cbx33> highvoltage, did you get my pm?
[01:50] <pygi> highvoltage, ergh, that cookbook thingy we were discussing yesterday? :)
[01:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: thanks, i'll check your pm for link
[01:50] <cbx33> np
[01:51] <pygi> highvoltage, about deleting it from launchpad?
[01:51] <pygi> highvoltage, speak with lp admins? :)
[01:52] <cbx33> pygi, need to talk to you about administration Part II
[01:52] <highvoltage> pygi: still on my todo, have lots of pressing budget issues to sort out with tuxlab team... so things are a bit pressing here
[01:52] <pygi> highvoltage, oki :)
[01:52] <pygi> cbx33, shoot
[01:52] <cbx33> what information do you want in there
[01:52] <cbx33> creating users
[01:53] <cbx33> what else?
[01:53] <pygi> Perhaps Student-Control-Panel usage :)
[01:53] <cbx33> iiieeeee
[01:53] <cbx33> I've never even used it
[01:53] <cbx33> :p
[01:54] <pygi> cbx33, sudo apt-get install ... :)
[01:54] <cbx33> hehe
[01:54] <cbx33> and all this has to be done by the end of today?
[01:54] <ogra> well, it doesnt need much documentation currently, the two functions it has are pretty obvous :P
[01:54] <cbx33> ogra, ok
[01:54] <cbx33> installing applications via synaptic etc?
[01:55] <ogra> nope
[01:55] <ogra> via gnome-app-install should be our promoted method
[01:55] <cbx33> ok
[01:55] <cbx33> i didn't know what we were pushcing
[01:55] <cbx33> seeing as I apt-get everything
[01:55] <ogra> but thats already covered in the ubuntu desktop guide i think
[01:56] <cbx33> but it probably should be in cookbook for completeness
[01:56] <pygi> cbx33, that by the end of that?
[01:56] <cbx33> don;t you think?
[01:56] <pygi> thats nothing :)
[01:56] <pygi> I have lot more to do by end of day :P
[01:56] <cbx33> pygi, iwas saying it was a small amount
[01:56] <cbx33> I was saying it was a large amount
[01:56] <pygi> cbx33, hehe :
[01:57] <cbx33> just so I know what to write about.....
[01:57] <cbx33> I can't promise the world pygi but I can promise to try
[01:57] <cbx33> if you have other people who want to do the sections give it to them :)
[01:57] <cbx33> but I will attempt to get as much done as I can
[01:59] <cbx33> ogra, do you need to run the update sshkeys when you have updated the kernel...or is that just when the ip changes?
[02:00] <cbx33> is ltsp manager planned for edgy?
[02:00] <pygi> cbx33, thanks :)
[02:01] <ogra> cbx33, if you updated the kernel in the client chroot you need to run ltsp-update-kernels
[02:01] <cbx33> yes I know that
[02:01] <ogra> (not -sshkeys)
[02:01] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:01] <cbx33> just thinking those should be put into the cookbook
[02:02] <ogra> yep
[02:02] <ogra> in the ltsp part
[02:02] <ajayc> guys this might now be a nice to say such stuff
[02:02] <ajayc> but i was trying to make a hangout place #worlddomination
[02:02] <ajayc> please come there if u want
[02:03] <cbx33> ogra, indeed
[02:03] <pygi> ajayc, ergh, we are working on a release
[02:03] <pygi> be shhh 
[02:03] <cbx33> be shhh.... ;)
[02:03] <ajayc> ok
[02:06] <UbuntuBes> hi does anyone know how to download torrent files using shell command??
[02:06] <ajayc> not me ;)
[02:06] <UbuntuBes> my currently using GUI in gnome-btdownload
[02:06] <ajayc> so why shell?
[02:06] <pygi> UbuntuBes, btdownload-curses, but go #ubuntu pls :)
[02:07] <UbuntuBes> pygi y is this # differnt ??
[02:07] <ajayc> pygi, dont scare him :P
[02:07] <pygi> UbuntuBes, because this is for edubuntu specific things...go #ubuntu
[02:07] <pygi> we are writing "How to cook tomato soup" book
[02:07] <ajayc> ROFL
[02:08] <pygi> ajayc, be shhh :)
[02:08] <ajayc> LOL
[02:08] <ajayc> pygi, please come to #worlddomination
[02:09] <ajayc> please
[02:09] <ajayc> i want u there
[02:09] <ajayc> :)
[02:09] <pygi> ajayc, shhhhh, I need to proofread book
[02:09] <UbuntuBes> oppss... soorry
[02:09] <UbuntuBes> but this # to talk about what?
[02:09] <cbx33> don't worry about it UbuntuBes 
[02:09] <ajayc> please pygi 
[02:09] <pygi> UbuntuBes, Edubuntu specific issue, like LTSP and such :)
[02:09] <ogra> UbuntuBes, edubuntu and ltsp
[02:09] <cbx33> UbuntuBes, we talk about edubuntu
[02:10] <cbx33> did you ever need more of a concrete answer :p
[02:10] <UbuntuBes> hmm.. as far i concern that ubuntu n edubuntu are the same
[02:10] <UbuntuBes> is it?
[02:10] <ogra> nearly, yes
[02:10] <pygi> UbuntuBes, if it's same for question like that --> #ubuntu :)
[02:11] <ogra> UbuntuBes, if you have a problem with gcompris, ltsp or the edubuntu installer on the CD this is the right channel
[02:12] <ogra> questions about stuff thats related to ubuntu in general should go to to #ubuntu :)
[02:15] <mhz> hi all
[02:15] <pygi> hey mhz
[02:15] <mhz> hey
[02:16] <mhz> JaneW: hi, r u here?
[02:17] <mhz> cbx33: hey, leave me at least one spam to kill :D
[02:17] <cbx33> mhz, hehe
[02:17] <cbx33> sorry dude
[02:17] <mhz> :D
[02:17] <mhz> it is ok
[02:18] <mhz> it seems to me it is the 'timezone' factor
[02:19] <cbx33> could be
[02:19] <JaneW> mhz: hi, yes
[02:19] <JaneW> pygi: I have just read over 200 SoC admin mails *FUN*
[02:19] <JaneW> pygi: Marty Connor is a NERD
[02:19] <mhz> JaneW: nice to see ya here. JaneW I would like to 'formally' ask the Edubuntu CD Artwork people to please show us their work. Will that get a positive response?
[02:20] <cbx33> mhz, you've been after this for a while havn't you
[02:20] <cbx33> who does the edubuntu CD artwork?
[02:20] <JaneW> mhz: I don't think it is being publicised yet, but you are welcome to mail silbs and request it
[02:20] <cbx33> ah
[02:21] <JaneW> cbx33: hi, Jane Silber is in charge of it and she contracts it out to professional designers
[02:21] <cbx33> ok
[02:21] <highvoltage> ogra: did you get a chance to bug silbs? (or perhaps i should ask... did she get a chance to be bugged?)
[02:22] <mhz> JaneW: also, I need to ask for a special shipping (about 50 CD's). Who is the one to email about it?
[02:22] <ogra> mhz, thats marilize
[02:22] <JaneW> that functioanlity will be provided, via Marilize
[02:22] <JaneW> mhxz: I don't think they are doing large pre-orders though
[02:23] <JaneW> mhz: mail marilize in the mean time marilize@canonical.com
[02:23] <JaneW> mhz: either way I expect large orders will be availavle in the next 2 weeks or so
[02:23] <mhz> JaneW: oh, but there is a policy to the CD artwork? I mean, they are not supposed to be publicised before release? (at least a JPG of it would be ok for my needs) ;)
[02:23] <ajayc> pygi, why left?
[02:23] <spacey> mhz: its already on the wiki
[02:23] <JaneW> spacey: where?
[02:24] <mhz> spacey: ?? really?
[02:24] <spacey> i've downloaded it before 
[02:24] <spacey> hehe
[02:24] <spacey> hold on
[02:24] <cbx33> heheh
[02:24] <mhz> lol
[02:24] <ogra> thief !
[02:24] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?highlight=%28DIY%29
[02:25] <spacey> see :P)
[02:25] <mhz> ogra: cbx33 is right. Based on the geek way of communicating, I did not specify "to whom" so, it was 'free-to-grab' muffin :D
[02:25] <mhz> oh, a GPL'ed muffin
[02:26] <pygi> ajayc, so you can ask things :)
[02:27] <JaneW> spacey: awesome thanks, I didn't know they were released yet
[02:27] <spacey> i found it a week ago
[02:27] <spacey> :)
[02:27] <dinda> <-- doesn't wanna be a lurker so I'm saying "hello" to the room
[02:28] <ogra> mhz, you have an eps, whats wrong ? 
[02:28] <mhz> spacey: thx for the url
[02:28] <pygi> JaneW, the book will be done today
[02:28] <pygi> we'll proofread more then
[02:28] <pygi> until the release
[02:28] <JaneW> pygi: \o/
[02:28] <ogra> dinda, hi :)
[02:28] <cbx33> hi dinda 
[02:28] <magnon> hm. any french people around?
[02:28] <mhz> ogra: maybe I am wrong, but there is not "much" you can do with eps. (i hope to be wrong, but 'encapsulated' is not same)
[02:28] <cbx33> does anyone know if document viewer handles transparency in dapper?
[02:29] <highvoltage> ogratjie
[02:29] <mhz> pygi: COOL!
[02:29] <dinda> I'm from Texas - so no French here, sorry
[02:29] <JaneW> ogra: the 'circle of friends' isn't even a circle... :/
[02:29] <pygi> JaneW, that good? :P
[02:30] <JaneW> ogra: and the edubuntu CD cover says dubuntu...
[02:30] <ogra> JaneW, not here
[02:31] <JaneW> oic
[02:31] <ogra> the layout seems fine here, i'm just concerned that the red is way to bright, it doiesnt match the color we use everywhere else
[02:31] <JaneW> hopefully there's something wrong here, because they look awful and looks like I could have done a better job...
[02:32] <highvoltage> link?
[02:33] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing?highlight=%28DIY%29
[02:34] <JaneW> ogra: it's the pdf viewer!
[02:34] <JaneW> if I open in xpdf it looks WAY better
[02:34] <ogra> yaeh, that might be, doko made some very weird font decisions
[02:34] <blue-frog> magnong quel est ton probleme?
[02:34] <blue-frog> magnon
[02:35] <JaneW> ogra: the image does not have a transparent background etc
[02:35] <magnon> blue-frog: you have any idea where the registry of french businesses is, on the web? I need an organisation number
[02:35] <cbx33> JaneW, yup
[02:35] <JaneW> ok now I like them much more
[02:35] <cbx33> that threw me for ages whilst creating ES in scribus
[02:35] <JaneW> cbx33: odd
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, using breezy or dapper ?
[02:36] <JaneW> breezy *hide*
[02:36] <cbx33> for some reason document view in breezy at least doens't support transparent pngs
[02:36] <ogra> (looks fine in evince for me on dapper)
[02:36] <cbx33> hide me JaneW 
[02:36] <JaneW> cbx33: get behind me, no one will see you
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, well, if you are *this* outdated then its indeed clear
[02:36] <blue-frog> magnon try to get information from a chamber of commerce
[02:36] <ogra> ;)
[02:37] <JaneW> cbx33: btw that anime has been very inspiring, I have been to gym twice since and am now trying to get thighs like that... good motivation :P
[02:37] <mhz> LOL
[02:37] <blue-frog> magnon get into pm
[02:37] <cbx33> heheh :p - I'll let Lisa know
[02:38] <cbx33> you missed her popping into IRC yesterday
[02:38] <JaneW> aaah!
[02:38] <mhz> JaneW: no need for GYM... that tattoo already got my heart prisioner.
[02:38] <JaneW> heh
[02:39] <mhz> cbx33: maybe she could make an 'ogra' drawing :)
[02:39] <cbx33> it's on the way mhz 
[02:39] <mhz> at least ogra will get a 'clone'
[02:39] <ogra> JaneW, did you note the little "Yo" on the belt ?
[02:39] <ogra> (another homie) :)
[02:39] <mhz> hehehehe
[02:40] <cbx33> homies rules
[02:40] <cbx33> I think there should be an exclusive.... edubuntu homies club
[02:40] <ogra> lol
[02:40] <cbx33> for people who have an anime likeness only :p
[02:40] <JaneW> ogra: as long as it wasn't a 'ho' ! ;)
[02:41] <mhz> cbx33: homiez rulz
[02:41] <ogra> JaneW, LOL
[02:42] <mhz> back to edubuntu topics...:D  When should we start our 1st Edubuntu Newsletter
[02:43] <cbx33> brb lunch !
[02:44] <ogra> mhz, yesterday !
[02:44] <ogra> JaneW, that shot looks weird
[02:44] <JaneW> ogra: which one?
[02:45] <mhz> ogra: hmmm, has jerome started anything (besides his email in ML last week?)
[02:45] <ogra> the one you just mailed :)
[02:45] <ogra> mhz, no idea
[02:45] <mhz> okis
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: of course! I just editted a photos, so you had me a bit worried ;P
[02:45] <ogra> he didnt ask for input yet
[02:45] <mhz> but the idea is to have one ready for release or 1 week after?
[02:45] <JaneW> ogra: but you can see why I didn't like the cover at all!
[02:46] <ogra> yep :)
[02:46] <ogra> mhz, yesterday !
[02:47] <JaneW> mhz: I have a new pic up, but it is less naked
[02:47] <mhz> ogra: :D
[02:47] <mhz> JaneW: please! url!!!
[02:48] <JaneW> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55079435@N00/156375938/
[02:48] <JaneW> just shows the design
[02:48] <mhz> JaneW: the ideal pic is not too much clothes on, not too less...imagination is sexy thing
[02:50] <JaneW> mhz: I think that's very true
[02:51] <mhz> JaneW: yup, but one thing is to think of it and the other is to make it off topic in a community channel oriented towards education
[02:51] <mhz> :D
[02:51] <JaneW> mhz: :)
[02:51] <mhz> hmm, on a second thought... it was 'educational' :D
[02:52] <mhz> JaneW: nice tattoo, indeed, charged of symbolisim
[02:53] <mhz> JaneW: is that a permanent tattoo?
[02:53] <JaneW> yes
[02:54] <dinda> did it hurt much?  getting the tattoo applied, that is
[02:55] <JaneW> dinda: yes it did a bit
[02:55] <JaneW> dinda: it's qiute painful actually
[02:56] <dinda> I've thought of getting one but want to make sure it's on a body part that won't sag too much with age ;)
[02:56] <JaneW> dinda: I blogged about it, so you can read a first hand account, if you like, http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/2004/05/amazing-thailand-part-8-taboos.html
[02:56] <JaneW> dinda: ditto - hence behind the shoulder ;)
[02:57] <dinda> JaneW: thanks, I'll check it out
[02:57] <JaneW> dinda: In fact I think I described it as 'one part of my body that won't end up around my knees!' ;)
[02:57] <dinda> Lol
[02:58] <dinda> well at least with geckos it will just look like they grew longer ;)
[02:58] <JaneW> heh
[02:59] <dinda> hmm, I wonder why I have to copy everything in the window twice before it actually copies where I can paste it
[03:00] <dinda> does anyone know if that's a IRC client thing?
[03:01] <ogra> works fine here with selecting and middle mouse pasting
[03:01] <ogra> (in xchat)
[03:02] <dinda> probably my client - athenaIRC
[03:02] <ogra> never heard of that
[03:03] <dinda> for Mac OS (dinda runs and hides)
[03:03] <ogra> ah, k
[03:03] <pygi> JaneW, do we have a edu-newsletter team already?
[03:04] <pygi> ogra, and Ubuntu will have a introduction wizard :P
[03:04] <ogra> pygi, unlikely
[03:05] <pygi> ogra, why we accepted SoC student for that then? (altought after the "students collision")
[03:05] <ogra> apart from the whole distroteam, sabdfl will heavily object such ugliness
[03:05] <pygi> "per talk with Ivan Krstic" Greg Stein
[03:05] <pygi> hehe :)
[03:05] <ogra> pygi, thats what i'm wondering as well, but be sure we wont have such a thing ... probably as an optional service, but never by default
[03:06] <pygi> ogra, good thoughts
[03:06] <JaneW> pygi: well it seems it's going to be a collaborative team
[03:06] <pygi> we got 3 or 4 project which we really haven't wanted :-/
[03:06] <ogra> yes
[03:06] <JaneW> pygi: but I think the focus (as usual) should be to push something out, and regularly
[03:06] <ogra> sadly
[03:06] <JaneW> and tweak the process over time
[03:06] <dinda> ogra: I just cleaned off a partition on my PC and am doing an Ubuntu install this morning
[03:06] <JaneW> rather than plan to much and not do it
[03:06] <JaneW>  *hint hint*
[03:07] <pygi> JaneW, indeed, if someone really wanna do the work ... I don't want to happen like it did with cookbook
[03:07] <JaneW> agreed
[03:07] <pygi> JaneW, just poke me if you need any help with that
[03:08] <pc22> anyone familiar with browser hijackers?
[03:08] <pygi> pc22, that is not for this channel
[03:08] <pc22> ok
[03:08] <pygi> this is your third trolling around this channel
[03:08] <pygi> be warned 
[03:08] <pygi> :)
[03:08] <ogra> pygi, come on
[03:08] <pygi> ogra, :)
[03:08] <cbx33> JaneW, did you want me to take a look at mocking up a news letter?
[03:08] <ogra> we're not #ubuntu
[03:08] <cbx33> ogra, indeed, they don;t have The Homies :p
[03:09] <pygi> ogra, oh, sorry :)
[03:09] <JaneW> cbx33: yes please, but althing like Riddell's letter will be great
[03:09] <ogra> cbx33, please coordinate with jsgotangco since he wanted to take the lead on that
[03:09] <cbx33> I was going to base it on that
[03:09] <JaneW> better is a bonus of course
[03:09] <pc22> ubuntu was not quiet like that when it was new
[03:09] <cbx33> of course I will upon his return
[03:09] <pc22> dont tell me edubuntu is on its way
[03:09] <ogra> he's here, he's just hiding behind a GEGL ;)
[03:10] <cbx33> yes I know
[03:10] <dinda> is the newsletter going to be in the wiki or the email list? or both?
[03:10] <cbx33> i would propose drupal....
[03:10] <cbx33> what do you guys think?
[03:10] <JaneW> dinda: e-mail firstly, but can be archived on the wiki too
[03:10] <ogra> dinda, mailing list for now, we'll have it on the website later and via rss on the fridge
[03:10] <mhz> JaneW: is the focus of Edubuntu Newsletter only about Edubuntu or can also be about philosophy related to FLOSS and education?
[03:10] <JaneW> the newsletter needs to go to Ubuntu-news each week
[03:11] <ogra> JaneW, jdub objected
[03:11] <JaneW> ogra: oh
[03:11] <cbx33> I still havn't gottn a reply from jdub about my blog :p
[03:11] <ogra> we agreed to have it in drupal and exported via rss to the fridge ... 
[03:11] <JaneW> well then it needs to go where mdz and jdun want it
[03:11] <ogra> but for the start we should use the mailing list
[03:11] <ogra> mhz, focused on edubuntu
[03:12] <dinda> rss would be great then we can send those not on the list to it as well as linking elsewhere
[03:12] <ogra> pc22, i hope that edubuntu is on its way ;) we'd appreciate growth 
[03:12] <cbx33> I have some cookbook things to do
[03:12] <cbx33> and some "paid" work 
[03:13] <cbx33> which unfortunately has to come first
[03:13] <mhz> ogra: then I'd like to call a 'section', "A coffee with Edubuntu" (or something like that. I usually write about stuff while drinking espressos ;)
[03:13] <ogra> great :)
[03:14] <cbx33> mhz, sounds cool
[03:14] <mhz> I will submit a 1st proposal of "A.C.w.E" after lunch, tomorrow (wednesday)
[03:15] <cbx33> mhz, sounds good
[03:15] <cbx33> are we having our meeting tomorrow?
[03:15] <mhz> Also, I'd like to propose a 'teachers feedback' writing/interview
[03:15] <cbx33> mhz, sounds like some of this could crossover with lucasvo's journal
[03:16] <mhz> Of course, we'll need someone to be Editor so may have a 'common-weekly' focus topic
[03:16] <mhz> cbx33: what you mean?
[03:16] <mhz> cbx33: oh, wait....brakfast!
[03:16] <cbx33> hehe
[03:17] <cbx33> catch you later mhz :p
[03:17] <mhz_breakfast> cbx33: BB in 30 mins
[03:17] <cbx33> np I'll be out soon
[03:33] <pygi> ogra, nothing from kjcole just yet :-/
[03:34] <ogra> give him time, he's on US TZ
[03:34] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[03:38] <bddebian> Hello
[03:41] <pygi> hey bddebian 
[03:42] <bddebian> Hi pygi
[03:49] <ogra> hi bddebian 
[03:50] <bddebian> Heya ogra
[04:03] <nettogrof> hi :)
[04:04] <bddebian> Hello nettogrof
[04:04] <nettogrof> hi bddebian 
[04:14] <ltsp_cameroon> help> which software can be used for internet cafe and edubuntu
[04:17] <jsgotangco> JaneW: please review draft of newsletter i just sent (i wrote it in 10 minutes sorry)
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[04:17] <jsgotangco> bddebian: hi!
[04:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, perfect
[04:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, please clan up and send it ;)
[04:19] <highvoltage> edubuntu is on planet a lot
[04:19] <jsgotangco> heh its already clean (i made a spell check)
[04:19] <highvoltage> i think that is really cool :)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: or planet quim gil rather
[04:20] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:20] <ogra> jsgotangco, i meant the huge header "THIS IS A DRAFT" ;)
[04:20] <highvoltage> heh, yeah. he's about half the planet right now :)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:21] <jsgotangco> ok I will send this now
[04:21] <highvoltage> i like "We could provide a second, younger child to betatest in a near future... ;)"
[04:21] <highvoltage> someones willing to breed, just to provide more testers for edubuntu!? :P
[04:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i'll send this newsletter i did but flame me later if i missed something lol
[04:22] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: or would you like to review it first?
[04:22] <ogra> jsgotangco, please send it to edubuntu-devel and ubuntu-news for now
[04:23] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:23] <ogra> (or i can do it if you prefer)
[04:23] <ajayc> hiya highvoltage 
[04:23] <jsgotangco> i can't push to -news
[04:23] <jsgotangco> do you?
[04:23] <bddebian> I got three kids, I should throw on Edubuntu :-)
[04:23] <ogra> yeah !
[04:23] <highvoltage> hi ajayc 
[04:23] <bddebian> jsgotangco: Yep
[04:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, nope, but i can contact the right people to promote it
[04:24] <jsgotangco> ok i will send it now
[04:24] <bddebian>  almost 7, 5, and 3
[04:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i think it might be useful for more than one person to review it, at least
[04:24] <jsgotangco> err
[04:24] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:24] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: did you make a launchpad group for that?
[04:24] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: no not yet, this is a 10 minute job
[04:24] <highvoltage> it might be good for that team to review in the future
[04:24] <jsgotangco> yep 
[04:24] <ogra> highvoltage, we can do that in further versions, currently its important to get *anything* out of the door
[04:24] <ogra> (asap)
[04:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: listen to ogra. just get it out there! :)
[04:25] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[04:25] <jsgotangco> ok
[04:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: sorry if i just gave you some extra trouble there for a second
[04:25] <jsgotangco> heh no worries
[04:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: but i think it's important to show the rest of ubuntu-world that edubuntu is organised
[04:26] <ogra> highvoltage, absolutely 
[04:26] <highvoltage> and that we work together well :)
[04:26] <highvoltage> (which we do)
[04:26] <jsgotangco> sorry about that (had some big emergency at home but recovering now)
[04:26] <ogra> the newsletter should be responsibility of the edubuntu-doc team in the future
[04:26] <ogra> but at the moment we need to get out *something*
[04:26] <highvoltage> ogra: so we can make a launchpad group, that's a member of edubuntu-doc team?
[04:27] <ogra> why an extra group ?
[04:27] <blue-frog> bddebian, put last year my kid (he's almost 5 now) on edubuntu and my dad (72 today), they both do well, kid better than grandpa though) kid knows how to log in with username and password even if he doesn't know how to read/write yet :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> ogra: ok, i was under the impression that the newsletter will start rolling out after release
[04:27] <highvoltage> ogra: because newsletter is different to documentation. it's closer to marketing
[04:27] <ogra> highvoltage, kubuntu had its second newsletter already
[04:27] <highvoltage> ogra: and i think you'll find a small core who's really interested in the newsletter, but not in other docs
[04:28] <blue-frog> *off to get get at school btw..
[04:28] <highvoltage> ogra: but if you're opposed to having another group, then i'm fine with it
[04:28] <highvoltage> ogra: i've seen.
[04:28] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: let's just publish this for now then discuss it after. After all, i made a call for contributors for next issue
[04:28] <ogra> if thats really needed, make an additional team, but i dont really see the need
[04:28] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok, don't let our conversations distract you :)
[04:29] <bddebian> blue-frog: Heh, I know that feeling.  My stinking 2, almost 3 year old is playing on the thing now :-)
[04:29] <ogra> bddebian, change the diaper then 
[04:29] <bddebian> heh
[04:29] <bddebian> Mine or hers? ;-)
[04:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: just to verify we have 2 SoC projects right?
[04:30] <ogra> bddebian, well, the one that stinks indeed
[04:30] <ogra> jsgotangco, we have this other thing with the siple IDE, not sure thats still categorized as edubuntu project 
[04:31] <jsgotangco> i dont think that's Edubuntu either although Keybuk will mentor it
[04:31] <ogra> yep
[04:31] <ogra> it was initiated as edubuntu project
[04:31] <ogra> but seems its more a general one now
[04:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: will do
[04:34] <mhz_breakfast> re
[04:34] <mhz> highvoltage: wanna see fet poster?
[04:34] <highvoltage> mhz: ok
[04:35] <bddebian> Hello mhz
[04:35] <jsgotangco> errr
[04:35] <ogra> TESTERS ARE YOU READY TO TEST ? 
[04:35] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[04:35] <ogra> (no liveCD yet)
[04:37] <mhz> hi bddebian 
[04:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: newsletter already?
[04:37] <ogra> already ??
[04:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: my finger is about to press the send button but still waiting...
[04:38] <mhz> hmm, then, no need for me to hurry and make a.c.w.e tomorrow ;)
[04:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, DOIT!
[04:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: i have seen nothing yet?
[04:38] <jsgotangco> mhz: no time to review/argue content, flame me later on issue 02
[04:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: yeah, just send it, i trust everyone's judgment
[04:39] <mhz> jsgotangco: sure
[04:40] <mhz> highvoltage: http://mhz.homelinux.org/tcwiki/FetChile#head-c0dffca12ca541e81766bef61ef80e60726700e3
[04:40] <mhz> highvoltage: attachment:FetAficheCron060526.jpg, of course
[04:40] <highvoltage> ok
[04:41] <ogra> mhz, we're two weeks late with the newsletter already, so we can coordinate for netx time
[04:41] <mhz> sure
[04:41] <mhz> np
[04:41] <mhz> i 100% understand
[04:42] <jsgotangco> ogra: sent please push to -news
[04:42] <mhz> ogra: it is just I had no idea (until you mentioned earlier) it was that urgent. I just got informed last week
[04:42] <jsgotangco> mhz: we'll have people write to the wiki next week
[04:43] <jsgotangco> (as jordan suggested)
[04:43] <mhz> jsgotangco: wiki's good :)
[04:44] <mhz> jsgotangco: and any news on edubuntu doc wiki?
[04:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I love your news letter :)
[04:47] <jsgotangco> JaneW: WRITTEN IN 10 MINUTES AFTER READING YOUR ULTIMATUM
[04:47] <bddebian> heh
[04:47] <ogra> yeah its wonderful :)
[04:48] <jsgotangco> hmm why is it still not appearing in edubuntu-devel?
[04:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you work well under pressure!
[04:48] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i just had good news today that's all
[04:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yay
[04:48] <JaneW> jsgotangco: another baby?
[04:48] <ogra> jsgotangco, it is (for me)
[04:49] <JaneW> *prying*
[04:49] <jsgotangco> no
[04:49] <JaneW> ok sorry
[04:49] <ogra> and it should be on ubuntu-news the next seconds as well
[04:50] <jsgotangco> i still don't see it in the archive
[04:50] <mhz> me neither
[04:50] <ogra> the archive is synced by a cronjob
[04:51] <mhz> highvoltage: liked the poster?
[04:51] <jsgotangco> but i already got the -news moderation queue notification
[04:51] <highvoltage> mhz: page is still loading... sure it's the right link?
[04:52] <mhz> hmmm, wait...yes. hold on.
[04:52] <mhz> highvoltage: take irc files?
[04:52] <highvoltage> nope
[04:52] <highvoltage> ah, have it
[04:52] <mhz> ?
[04:53] <highvoltage> mhz: heh. that looks almost like the ubuntu font :)
[04:53] <mhz> it is
[04:53] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: so what's the good news? you're keeping us in suspense here!
[04:53] <highvoltage> mhz: it's nice :)
[04:53] <mhz> highvoltage: remember that original event was for april, and the edubuntu release was main event
[04:54] <mhz> unvelivably, Mark chose June for dapper, just the date we had also chosen :)
[04:55] <mgalvin> JaneW: ping?
[04:56] <mhz> for FET, we'll have an edubuntu lab for people to experiment with it..well, all public pc's will br running edubuntu, either LTSP or workstation
[04:56] <mhz> of course, I wont make them count for counter.li :D
[04:56] <pygi> ogra, poke
[04:57] <JaneW> mgalvin: pong
[04:57] <ogra> pygi, dont you pke that hard !
[04:57] <ogra> *poke
[04:57] <mhz> highvoltage: i am glad yu like it as I made the draft and passed it on to a designer
[04:57] <mgalvin> JaneW: hi, do you know if anyone else is working on an Ubuntu newletter?
[04:57] <pygi> ogra, I am now owner of the team
[04:57] <ogra> mgalvin, see ubuntu-news ;)
[04:57] <ogra> pygi, cookbook ? 
[04:58] <pygi> all we need more is to erase that product, but highvoltage will probably do it
[04:58] <pygi> ogra, yup :)
[04:58] <ogra> perfect
[04:58] <JaneW> mgalvin: well Riddell is doing Kubuntu, jsgotangco et al doing Edubuntu and I think we still need one for Ubuntu and Xubuntu
[04:58] <ogra> cant you just edit the product now ? 
[04:58] <JaneW> mgalvin: you volunteering?
[04:58] <pygi> ogra, I'll try 
[04:58] <mgalvin> JaneW: yes :)
[04:58] <JaneW> mgalvin: awesome \o/
[04:59] <JaneW> *yay* *yay*
[04:59] <mgalvin> :)
[04:59] <mgalvin> has anyone else shown any interest in working on it that you know of?
[04:59] <highvoltage> pygi: what's the exact group that needs to be deleted?
[04:59] <pygi> highvoltage, this : https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook
[04:59] <JaneW> mgalvin: not yet, but it was the next thing I was going to look at setting up
[04:59] <highvoltage> pygi: ok
[05:00] <pygi> JaneW, if we lack people I might help with something
[05:00] <JaneW> mgalvin: orginally I was going to have to do it
[05:00] <JaneW> but I am leaving in 2 weeks, so I am farming out my duties
[05:00] <mgalvin> ah, ok, i guess i will just start working on them, from there we'll just see if anyone else helps out too
[05:01] <Yagisan> ogra: re package. oops. forgot to remove the gcc-4.1 dep while investigating an ICE. Will send corrected files later.
[05:01] <ogra> Yagisan, ok
[05:01] <mgalvin> so should these be sent to ubuntu-news as ogra pointed out (not sure if everyone knows about this list yet)
[05:02] <pygi> JaneW, is mgalvin going to do ubuntu or?
[05:02] <ogra> mgalvin, this list is very old
[05:02] <ogra> mgalvin, it was used for the weekly ubuntu newsletter back in warty and hoary
[05:02] <jsgotangco> did anyone receive my email yet?
[05:02] <mhz> jsgotangco: great concise letter!
[05:02] <jsgotangco> phone brb
[05:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes
[05:02] <jsgotangco> ok
[05:02] <mgalvin> ogra: ah
[05:03] <jsgotangco> that's were traffic used to be announced
[05:03] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: yup
[05:03] <jsgotangco> s/were/where
[05:03] <mgalvin> right ok
[05:03] <mgalvin> i remember now
[05:03] <mgalvin> pygi: i am going to start working on it
[05:03] <pygi> mgalvin, ubuntu one or xubuntu one?
[05:03] <mgalvin> ubuntu
[05:04] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[05:04] <mgalvin> wanna help?
[05:04] <mgalvin> well, i will do it on the wiki anyway so anyone can always contrib as usual
[05:05] <JaneW> mgalvin: mdz would like one consolidated newsletter now
[05:05] <JaneW> mgalvin  or jsgotangco : would you like to edit that?
[05:05] <JaneW> mdz would like a doc team member to be the editor
[05:05] <jsgotangco> gee
[05:05] <ogra> JaneW, we already clearified that for edubuntu
[05:05] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: another project together? ;)
[05:05] <jsgotangco> he's like asking someone to do ubuntu-traffic part 2
[05:06] <ogra> its responsibility of edubuntu-doc
[05:06] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you forgot the new mailing list :)
[05:06] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: its not even listed
[05:06] <highvoltage> ok, strange. i thought it was.
[05:06] <jsgotangco> well there's edubuntu-es
[05:06] <jsgotangco> but i was hoping mhz would translate it and be in the loop for next
[05:06] <spacey> what is the new mailinglist?
[05:06] <pygi> mgalvin, I can't help right now (today), book stuff :)
[05:07] <highvoltage> ogra: edubuntu-users isn't a public list?
[05:07] <ogra> not yet, on my list
[05:07] <highvoltage> pygi: the product has moved on
[05:07] <spacey> ah i didn't know it was already alive
[05:07] <highvoltage> pygi: you can create a new one now
[05:07] <spacey> -users that is
[05:07] <pygi> highvoltage, k, thanks :)
[05:07] <mgalvin> JaneW: i have no real objections to one consolidated newsletter they will likely just be longer
[05:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW: maybe someone in -marketing is better suited for this if the aim is marketing....
[05:08] <ogra> everybody from -devel is autosubscribed anyway, i'll send a welcome message once i'm done
[05:08] <highvoltage> is -marketing active?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW: but remember mako didn't really get to do -traffic that much either...because of the volume
[05:08] <spacey> highvoltage: not really
[05:08] <JaneW> mdz JaneW: I think we should consolidate them into a single publication
[05:08] <JaneW> mdz with sections for the different derivatives
[05:08] <JaneW> mdz since e.g., much of what happens in Ubuntu applies to the others, and we'll have community-oriented content which isn't specific to a derivative
[05:08] <JaneW> JaneW mdz: that may be a bit more tricky to co-ordinate between the different ppl
[05:08] <JaneW> JaneW mdz: but I am sure it can be done if neccessary
[05:08] <JaneW> mdz should just need someone to receive and collect them; perhaps someone from the doc team would be keen?
[05:08] <spacey> highvoltage: nothing interesting at -marketing if you ask me
[05:08] <highvoltage> spacey: seems like the mailing list is very non-active too, which is why i asked
[05:08] <jsgotangco> it looks pretty hard consolidating
[05:08] <jsgotangco> and its weekly...
[05:09] <JaneW> it's not so much marketing as a good easy to read summary to that anybody can keep up with the overview dev and other progress without reading all of the devel lists
[05:09] <JaneW> mgalvin: yes
[05:09] <highvoltage> launchpad team! launchpad team! launchpad team!
[05:09] <JaneW> I have to go soon, but please mull this over
[05:09] <highvoltage> :p
[05:09] <mgalvin> :)
[05:09] <ogra> the derivative specific part still need writing from the derivative people 
[05:09] <JaneW> and I for one will be the kind of person interested in reading them!
[05:09] <spacey> highvoltage: i guess marketing is something that happens more naturally, 
[05:09] <mhz> jsgotangco: then, okis, I'll traqnslate it, sure. Count on it for today
[05:10] <spacey> you might drown in launchpad teams :P
[05:10] <highvoltage> wow, i should've started using rsync more frequently more recently before.
[05:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, instead of sending it to the lists, you just send your part to the newsletter publisher then ...
[05:10] <spacey> most have no use
[05:10] <ogra> i dont see a prob here
[05:10] <jsgotangco> that would work
[05:10] <highvoltage> spacey: you're right. perhaps it's better with -doc afterall
[05:10] <ogra> its just about merging them into one document
[05:11] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: i guess i could be broken up where, you focus on edubuntu stuff, Riddell on kubuntu and me on ubuntu
[05:11] <jsgotangco> and who consolidates :D
[05:11] <jsgotangco> ?
[05:11] <mgalvin> us? :-/
[05:11] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:11] <mgalvin> hehe
[05:11] <spacey> highvoltage: wouldn't make a difference :)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: well that's workable
[05:12] <mgalvin> i mean i don't mind mushing it into a coherent doc at the end of each week
[05:12] <JaneW> highvoltage: see you tomorrow
[05:12] <pygi> ogra, oki, all setup
[05:12] <pygi> product and team
[05:12] <ogra> nice :)
[05:13] <pygi> I shall start tracking branches, specs, etc. from edgy
[05:13] <pygi> and I want to have full spec for Edgy Edubuntu cookbook from Paris :)
[05:13] <spacey> will i be murdered if i put the happy circle of kids on my website? i guess i need to ask canonicle permission for usage or is it a happily free licensed?
[05:13] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: yeah it would be refreshing to write something more humane once a week ;)
[05:13] <jsgotangco> pygi: are you going to paris?
[05:14] <pygi> jsgotangco, no :'(
[05:14] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: indeed :)
[05:14] <pygi> jsgotangco, sadly ;-/
[05:14] <spacey> highvoltage: you know by accident?
[05:14] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: shall i just start up a ubuntu-newsletter team in launchpad then
[05:15] <jsgotangco> should work
[05:15] <jsgotangco> instead of 3 different teams
[05:15] <mgalvin> ok, i'll set it up in a sec
[05:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: seeya!
[05:15] <mgalvin> yup
[05:15] <jsgotangco> i presume Riddell will be handling over newsletter duties in the future
[05:15] <pygi> jsgotangco, make that 4 :)
[05:15] <pygi> K/Edu/U/X - buntu
[05:16] <highvoltage> spacey: according to our wiki, everthing on it is CC-BY
[05:16] <jsgotangco> sorry about that
[05:16] <highvoltage> spacey: and the circle of friends is displayed on the same page ;)
[05:16] <spacey> highvoltage: ok thats nice:)
[05:17] <spacey> i thought the wiki was sort of public domain
[05:17] <spacey> i got a mail from mdke about that a while back i think
[05:17] <highvoltage> i think the rest of the wiki is...
[05:17] <spacey> except the edubuntu wiki?
[05:17] <spacey> :P
[05:18] <spacey> which is actually the same
[05:18] <spacey> or are you talking about the website
[05:19] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: ubuntu-newsletter
[05:19] <Yagisan> I don't care. It seems my work was re licensed unilaterally by -doc without my permission. I won't add to the wiki anymore.
[05:19] <highvoltage> spacey: the wiki's used to be seperate, now they're merged
[05:19] <highvoltage> spacey: but the licensing information has never been taken off the edubuntu wiki, which were CC
[05:19] <spacey> ok
[05:20] <spacey> Yagisan: yeah its not really nice
[05:20] <spacey> I would have preferred CC anyway
[05:20] <spacey> not some wierd public domain variant
[05:20] <ogra> that was only intended for artwork initially
[05:20] <ogra> since we'll only accept ccbysa artwork 
[05:20] <spacey> now you can't copy something from wikipedia AFAIU
[05:21] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: and i have a neat idea for an icon :)
[05:21] <mgalvin> i whip it up during lunch
[05:21] <Yagisan> spacey: I had run-ins with mdke over licensing. no more. I don't care for him, and his "I'm a lawyer, I'll tell you what I can do with your work" attitude.
[05:21] <ogra> so are you all downloading the iso ? 
[05:21] <spacey> Yagisan: i mailed back about that license change but never got reply
[05:21] <jsgotangco> sorry was on phone
[05:22] <Yagisan> spacey: I didn't bother, as I don't expect he will
[05:22] <highvoltage> ogra: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki
[05:22] <highvoltage> ogra: check at the bottom, that's been there for a very long time now
[05:22] <ogra> then we should fix that :)
[05:22] <jsgotangco> mgalvin: meh i couldn't join
[05:23] <highvoltage> ogra: should it be removed?
[05:23] <ogra> i admit i look very rarely on the wiki frontpage
[05:23] <Yagisan> spacey: it's a shame. I really like edubuntu, but I will not add docs if the license is blatantly violated
[05:23] <ogra> it should be consistent with ubuntu
[05:23] <spacey> i think it should stay CC :P
[05:23] <mgalvin> jsgotangco: try now
[05:23] <highvoltage> spacey: if it's public domain, then you can use it on your site too, afaik
[05:23] <ogra> CC will be needed for artwork still ... but not for the whole wiki
[05:23] <spacey> highvoltage: ah yeah thats even better for me in this case :p
[05:24] <highvoltage> understood
[05:24] <spacey> what did the community council say about it? i guess they decided it should be public domain
[05:24] <highvoltage> i gtg
[05:24] <spacey> anyway i'll take the happy kids image :P
[05:24] <Yagisan> PD is like a BSD license. If I wanted that, I would have contributed under that license
[05:25] <spacey> with CC you can also put it on your own site right?
[05:25] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: the wiki is licensed differently from ubuntu-docs (CC by SA & GFDL)
[05:25] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: it is different now. not when my CC-BY-SA docs was added
[05:26] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: you know why it is different right ?
[05:26] <jsgotangco> of course
[05:26] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: mdke had a pissing contest with me
[05:26] <jsgotangco> frankly i don't care that much what happens to what i write
[05:26] <jsgotangco> i wrote my piece, i let other people use it for their good
[05:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: my docs are like my code. I chose the license that protects it the most
[05:27] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: he is removing that protection
[05:27] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: like insisting I change my gpl code to bsd
[05:27] <jsgotangco> well the licensing change wasn't his sole decision really
[05:28] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: really doesn't seem that way.
[05:29] <jsgotangco> well if you want you could raise it to community council
[05:30] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: IIRC isn't the next CC meeting after the mass-relicensing takes place ?
[05:30] <jsgotangco> honestly, im not so much hot on wiki stuff, especially the move...
[05:31] <jsgotangco> there's a CC in 30 minutes (if it pushes through)
[05:32] <cbx33> wow big crowd :p
[05:33] <Yagisan> I really don' know why they think PD is better then the CC-BY-SA unless they plan to sell it, and pretend they wrote it
[05:33] <cbx33> and how is everyone this afternoon
[05:33] <Yagisan> cbx33: cranky
[05:33] <ogra> cbx33, live isnt reay yet
[05:33] <ogra> *ready
[05:33] <cbx33> ok I'll grab install
[05:33] <jsgotangco> i will have to skip testing tonight guys
[05:34] <cbx33> jsgotangco, you got a sec to talk about newsletter?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> cbx33: sure but i sent issue 01 already
[05:34] <ogra> cbx33, did you like it ? 
[05:34] <cbx33> oh right ok
[05:34] <pygi> cbx33, poke?
[05:34] <cbx33> only just got back in
[05:34] <cbx33> pygi, Hi
[05:34] <cbx33> 30.2 ogra ?
[05:34] <pygi> cbx33, would you be interested to contribute to cookbook even after dapper?
[05:34] <jsgotangco> cbx33: it seems our newsletter would be merged with the whole project
[05:34] <jsgotangco> pygi: i see no reason why not
[05:35] <ogra> cbx33, current is always link to the most recent one ;) but yes, 30.2 too
[05:35] <pygi> jsgotangco, I am just asking him :) You interested in contributing to cookbook? :)
[05:35] <jsgotangco> pygi: i wrote the original cookbook :P till i got too busy
[05:36] <pygi> jsgotangco, hehe :)
[05:36] <cbx33> sure I'll contribute
[05:36] <cbx33> esp if we have more time next release
[05:36] <cbx33> and everyone knows what they are doing
[05:36] <jsgotangco> if you got a spec, i could probably dive into some parts
[05:36] <pygi> jsgotangco, for dapper nothing we need anymore, but for edgy there will be a lot :)
[05:36] <cbx33> pygi, did you kick me outta the cooks :p
[05:36] <pygi> cbx33, yes. I kicked everyone :)
[05:37] <cbx33> I would like to be in the cooks
[05:37] <mhz> jsgotangco: "more humane once a week" ...well, the idea of a section "A coffee with Edubuntu" is for that
[05:37] <pygi> jsgotangco, cbx33, please request to be accepted :)
[05:37] <cbx33> I've worked a little on this one, and am going to try my upmost to finish those sections tonight
[05:37] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks/
[05:38] <cbx33> downloading
[05:38] <jsgotangco> pygi: deactivated?
[05:38] <pygi> jsgotangco, yes :-/
[05:39] <cbx33> ogra, are these cd's going to change tomrorow?
[05:39] <jsgotangco> Your subscription to this team has been deactivated. You can't join this team.
[05:39] <jsgotangco> cbx33: most likely
[05:39] <pygi> jsgotangco, ah, sorry :-/
[05:39] <ogra> oh, i'm lucky today, topic didnt overflow :)
[05:39] <ogra> cbx33, not if you dont find evil bugs :)
[05:40] <ogra> if they are fine they are the release
[05:40] <pygi> cbx33, you apply for team pls? :)
[05:40] <cbx33> ok excellent
[05:40] <cbx33> pygi, I have
[05:40] <pygi> cbx33, saw, approved
[05:40] <mhz> Yagisan: the prob. with license is that wikis have always been oriented to be that.. just wikis. Available for everyone to edit and use its knowledge, with or without stating source.
[05:40] <pygi> jsgotangco, you are back :)
[05:42] <Yagisan> mhz: we have a word for using something without stating it's source. plagiarism. It gets you kicked out of uni
[05:43] <Yagisan> mhz: no. I do no agree to removing freedoms from the wiki
[05:43] <Yagisan> mhz: if we insist on doing that, then insist on mass relicensing all code in ubuntu to BSD then
[05:43] <Yagisan> mhz: it is the same removal of freedoms
[05:44] <mhz> Yagisan: oh, NOW I see your point
[05:45] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm glad you do.
[05:46] <Yagisan> mhz: you certainly don't need to agree with me though (but it's nice if you do)
[05:47] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: its really subjective
[05:47] <jsgotangco> but please don't troll here 
[05:47] <cbx33> the cdimages server is really slow today
[05:47] <mhz> pygi: cbx33: I have always been interested in contributing to cookbook and alike. Problems I had in near past stopped me from contributing for dapper for a very  long time. Nowdays, I am trying to be more active (please note, 'trying'). However, my only weapons are MoinMoin knowledge and OpenOffice.org :)  Now, a very important factor for me is: Everytime I have written stuff in English (not very good on that, just ok) I have felt I must translate into Spanis
[05:47] <mhz> h, and viceversa. That is an issue to me (
[05:47] <ogra> cbx33, rsynced fine for me
[05:48] <cbx33> mhz, I understand that
[05:48] <ogra> i even got the DVD in 20mins today
[05:48] <cbx33> we all have other commitments
[05:48] <mhz> Yagisan: hmm, that is why I said "see your point", which is faaaar from agreeings :D (just kidding)
[05:48] <pygi> mhz, wanna be "Spanish translator" ? :)
[05:48] <cbx33> mhz, as far as I know we will continue to work with moin right pygi ?
[05:48] <pygi> cbx33, indeed
[05:49] <pygi> there will be a docbook version, but I and people who know about it will handle that
[05:50] <cbx33> pygi, I'm ok with doc book
[05:50] <pygi> cbx33, I know you are, but not all people are :)
[05:50] <cbx33> I can help with the transferance if you need it
[05:50] <mhz> pygi: I personally prfer to write instead of translating (this latter is tedious, though that is my only degree).
[05:50] <pygi> cbx33, you'll just help me converting to docbook when it needs :)
[05:50] <cbx33> no no I was just offering help
[05:50] <pygi> cbx33, yes, thanks for that :)
[05:50] <cbx33> mhz, i understand
[05:50] <pygi> mhz, that is also nice :)
[05:50] <cbx33> right ok, what's the time....
[05:50] <cbx33> 17:00
[05:50] <pygi> We are proofreading things anyway, so english wont be problem
[05:51] <cbx33> i have 5 hours to test 4 installs of edubuntu, do some paid work and write the chapters for the cookbook
[05:51] <mhz> pygi: anywasy, today, I am translating Using Edubuntu (and will start to work on the whole edubuntu drupal this week, little by little), and gotta translate newsletter today, too. :)
[05:51] <cbx33> nice mhz 
[05:51] <ogra> cbx33, the cookbook is really nor release critica
[05:51] <ogra> L
[05:51] <pygi> mhz, nice :)
[05:51] <pygi> ogra, ergh, ofcourse it is :)
[05:52] <ogra> the CDs are
[05:52] <cbx33> ogra, noted
[05:52] <cbx33> :p
[05:52] <mhz> cbx33: so, my wondering is still: To write or to translate
[05:52] <pygi> mhz, nice, no need to work on cookbook for now, for edgy it will be important
[05:52] <pygi> I want to get a great team :)
[05:52] <cbx33> pygi, it will be an awesome team
[05:52] <ogra> pygi, not as important as the CD testing now
[05:52] <mhz> yeah, I prefer to write, absolutely. It is totally inspiring
[05:52] <pygi> ogra, indeed :P
[05:52] <cbx33> are getting localisation for drupal?
[05:53] <pygi> mhz, please apply for team :)
[05:53] <ogra> and since cbx33 is the only one wanting to help today, i'd appreciate if he doesnt write on cookbook chapters now
[05:53] <mhz> cbx33: so, indeed, edgy will require lots of work on cookbook
[05:53] <pygi> mhz, https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks/
[05:53] <pygi> cbx33, if you want mhz can take over for today?
[05:53] <mhz> pygi: even when not using xml or alike?
[05:53] <cbx33> of course
[05:53] <cbx33> I'll try and do both if I can
[05:54] <cbx33> but cd's come first
[05:54] <ogra> in case someone didnt get the hidden hint in my last sentence: PLEASE HELP TESTING !!
[05:54] <cbx33> and unfortunately paidwork before that :p
[05:54] <mhz> pygi: take over? hmmm, lost me
[05:54] <cbx33> mhz, pygi needs help with a few chapters
[05:54] <pygi> mhz, there is something cbx33 was supposed to do today...but you can take over if you have time
[05:54] <cbx33> pygi, if it can wait till tomorrow I'll have much more time to write
[05:54] <mhz> ogra: hehehe, sure I did. I was on my way to the lab until I read Jerome mentioned CC meeting
[05:55] <ogra> mhz, i hope that will be dropped today, nobody has time to hold a meeting currently
[05:55] <mhz> ogra: would be better to drop, indeed.
[05:55] <jsgotangco> ogra: dvd finished in 30 min here (rsync)
[05:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, wow !
[05:55] <pygi> mhz, so thoughts?
[05:56] <ogra> but it will get updated again ...
[05:56] <ogra> the live iso isnt done yet
[05:56] <ogra> oh, actually it is !
[05:56] <mhz> pygi: thoughts about something cbx33 was supposed to do today but has not time ? (still wondering what) :D
[05:57] <pygi> mhz, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet
[05:57] <pygi> everything in part II that wasnt written
[05:57] <cbx33> chapter II
[05:57] <cbx33> sections 4,5,6,7
[05:57] <cbx33> right I gotta work now guys
[05:57] <cbx33> I'll be back to test soon
[05:57] <ogra> great, thanks ! :)
[05:58] <cbx33> ogra, what is prority to test I'll be doing i386 installs
[05:58] <cbx33> that ok?
[05:58] <ogra> yep
[05:58] <cbx33> expect i hope 4 done by the end of the day
[05:58] <ogra> cool
[05:58] <pygi> mhz, any chance you could do it?
[05:58] <ogra> i'll do the full set anyway from now on for each new iso
[05:58] <pygi> and apply for team while at that :)
[05:59] <jsgotangco> the rsync became slloooowww
[05:59] <ogra> :(
[06:00] <mhz> pygi: nope :(, mainly because if I do, I wont translate the drupal (needed for tomorrow so I can proffread it in spanish) nor the newsletter today. Unless, you provide some guidance in what exactly you need me to work/check/write
[06:01] <pygi> mhz, ah, ok :-/
[06:01] <mhz> oh, when i say "needed for tomorrow" is because my personal goal is to provide spanishspeakers with that info ready to digest and hope they get motivated to wake up and collaborate a bit
[06:01] <pygi> mhz, no problems, enjoy
[06:01] <ogra> dapper-live-i386.iso
[06:01] <ogra>    266249763  36%    7.11MB/s    0:01:04
[06:01] <ogra> whee
[06:02] <mhz> pygi: however, I can commit to, as soon as I can get those translations done, I can start with cookbook stuff
[06:02] <mhz> but that wont be today, i am sure
[06:02] <pygi> mhz, no problem, just relax
[06:02] <Yagisan> ogra: I want your bandwidth
[06:02] <mhz> relax? impossible!
[06:02] <ogra> Yagisan, 2M
[06:02] <mhz> :)
[06:03] <ogra> Yagisan, which is the second slowest i can get in that city :)
[06:03] <pygi> mhz, I shall put you into team :)
[06:03] <Yagisan> :( my bandwidth sucks, and it is the fastest I can get
[06:03] <mhz> pygi: sure
[06:04] <jsgotangco> the best i could do is 2MB/s
[06:04] <pygi> mhz, you got another team in your list :P
[06:04] <mhz> pygi: "You are an active member of this team. You can't join this team."
[06:04] <pygi> mhz, well, you are already a member :)
[06:05] <jsgotangco> dapper-install-i386.iso 728932352 100%   11.72MB/s    0:00:59  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[06:05] <mhz> py:)
[06:06] <cbx33> :(
[06:07] <jsgotangco> ogra: i though we're not goig to do the "alternate" disc naming?
[06:11] <cbx33> grrr.....1 hr left for download
[06:11] <cbx33> and no i can't rsync
[06:11] <cbx33> :(
[06:11] <cbx33> 60Kbps
[06:11] <cbx33> are there no mirrors that are faster
[06:27] <ere> I plan to implement a thin client solution with ubuntu in a primary school during the summer. Do you think a Dell poweredge 2850 2U rack server is a good choice? The configuration I consider is: 2 Xeon 3Ghz, 4GB ram, 73 + 2x146GB (sw raid 1) SCSI Drives. The server will be connected with gigabit ethernet to a switch where the thin clients also are connected (a VLAN for thin clients)
[06:27] <pygi> ere, nice :)
[06:27] <ogra> sounds good
[06:27] <ere> I think I will backup with rsync to cheap SATA/PATA drives in a log/backup server
[06:28] <ere> that is in a different building
[06:29] <ere> do you think such a server can handle 30 concurrent users running gnome, openoffice, mozilla thunderbird, etc?
[06:30] <pygi> ere, yup, trust me it can :)
[06:33] <Bluekuja> hello pygi
[06:33] <ere> okay :) And hopefully it will have some breath left to function as a fileserver for some thick clients / laptops
[06:33] <mhz> ere: however, please do report results when implemented :)
[06:34] <mhz> Bluekuja: hi there!
[06:34] <Bluekuja> ohh mhz: hello man
[06:34] <Bluekuja> how are you? :)
[06:34] <Bluekuja> what happened to cookbook team?
[06:35] <Bluekuja> i received an email before
[06:36] <pygi> hey Andrea
[06:36] <Bluekuja> hey mario
[06:36] <pygi> Bluekuja, I took it over :P
[06:36] <Bluekuja> oh why?
[06:36] <pygi> because the ex-team wasnt doing much of a anything? :)
[06:36] <mhz> Bluekuja: got time for Chapter II, 4,5,6,7 ?
[06:37] <Bluekuja> pygi: lol
[06:37] <Bluekuja> mhz: let me check
[06:37] <Bluekuja> what is it about
[06:37] <mhz> Bluekuja: cbx33 and pygi are the ones,please.
[06:37] <Bluekuja> https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook
[06:38] <Bluekuja> doesnt work
[06:38] <pygi> Andrea - : cbx33 and pygi are the ones,please.
[06:38] <Bluekuja> oh oki,  mauricio np
[06:38] <Bluekuja> mario fix that page
[06:38] <pygi> Andrea, what is wrong with it? :P
[06:38] <pygi> we dont use that page anymore :)
[06:39] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet - to see chapters
[06:40] <Bluekuja> oh nice
[06:41] <Bluekuja> anyway i wasnt a edubuntu cookbook team member
[06:41] <pygi> Part II, 4,5,6,7 chapter need part
[06:41] <pygi> aha,oki then :)
[06:41] <n1ws2> hi bluekuja
[06:41] <Bluekuja> hi n1ws2
[06:41] <n1ws2> how are you
[06:41] <Bluekuja> fine tnx, you?
[06:41] <n1ws2> oh fine
[06:41] <Bluekuja> anyway mario , i can work on it
[06:42] <Bluekuja> i don't know when
[06:42] <Bluekuja> but maybe i can add more content to other pages
[06:42] <Bluekuja> like working ones
[06:42] <pepsy> hi bluekuja
[06:42] <n1ws2> ok let work
[06:43] <cbx33> Bluekuja, it needs to be done today
[06:43] <Bluekuja> oh great
[06:43] <cbx33> or should I say pygi needs it for today
[06:43] <n1ws2> yes
[06:43] <Bluekuja> hehe yes
[06:43] <cbx33> I'm busy testing i386 isos
[06:43] <cbx33> but if I get time later I will do it
[06:43] <n1ws2> it need to be done today
[06:43] <pepsy> what says life with u
[06:44] <pygi> Bluekuja, indeed, today :-/
[06:44] <n1ws2> plz, try to create time and let do it
[06:44] <Bluekuja> pygi: aww
[06:44] <pygi> Bluekuja, I'll just write it, no worries
[06:45] <Bluekuja> pygi: okie perfect, sorry if i cant do it now
[06:45] <pygi> Bluekuja, no need to be sorry
[06:46] <Bluekuja> pygi: mario ;) , we can meet this summer, what do you think?
[06:46] <Bluekuja> you're not so far away from here
[06:46] <pygi> blue-frog, I ain't coming to Italy this summer
[06:47] <Bluekuja> who's blue-frog? :D
[06:47] <pygi> ergh, damn tab :P
[06:47] <Bluekuja> hehe
[06:47] <pygi> Bluekuja*
[06:47] <pygi> And I am afraid you'll eat me :-P
[06:47] <Bluekuja> lol
[06:48] <Bluekuja> anyway just ping me if you decide to come
[06:48] <petarl> hello
[06:49] <Bluekuja> hello petarl
[06:49] <petarl> does anyone know how to chroot clients on edubuntu 5.10?
[06:50] <Bluekuja> wait i give you a wiki page
[06:50] <Bluekuja> that you can read
[06:51] <Bluekuja> i hope to find it
[06:51] <petarl> ok
[06:52] <Bluekuja> mhz: lol
[06:52] <mhz> :)
[06:52] <mhz> pygi: "
[06:52] <mhz> The comment for it 
[06:52] <mhz> The comment for it was:
[06:52] <mhz>     If you wanna join the team, just poke me :)"was:
[06:52] <mhz>     If you wanna join the team, just poke me :)
[06:53] <mhz> duh! double pasted with middle click button (eeek, sounded too mousy!)
[06:53] <pygi> mhz, whats with that? :P
[06:53] <pygi> see? you are part of team...
[06:53] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks/
[06:55] <pygi> mhz, do you see yourself there? :P
[06:55] <petarl> Bluekuja> any luck?
[06:56] <mhz> pygi: yeah, thx
[06:56] <pygi> mhz, hehe :) I just added same comment while reactivating you
[06:56] <pygi> sorry for mess
[06:57] <mhz> no prob.
[06:57] <Bluekuja> petarl: just a mom, I'm talking
[06:57] <Bluekuja> with someone 
[06:58] <jsgotangco> JaneW: madonna's bra???
[06:58] <Bluekuja> mhz: mauricio can you check it too?
[06:58] <Bluekuja> oh jerome
 ogra: i though we're not goig to do the "alternate" disc naming?
[06:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, where did you see that ? 
[06:59] <ogra> we're not, thats right
[06:59] <Bluekuja> hello ogra
[06:59] <jsgotangco> ogra: the headers in cdimage.u.c said "alternate" but the image name is correct
[06:59] <Bluekuja> can you suggest petarl a good wiki to read for chroot in edubuntu?
[07:00] <ogra> Bluekuja, not now, no, we're just rolling a release CD
[07:00] <Bluekuja> ogra: okie, oliver np ;)
[07:00] <mhz> Bluekuja: check what?
[07:00] <ogra> jsgotangco, i'll talk to Kamion once we have the isos fixed
[07:00] <Bluekuja> mhz: a wiki page for chroot 
[07:01] <mhz> Bluekuja: mean, get url for howto?
[07:01] <Bluekuja> yeah for petarl
[07:01] <ogra> man chroot
[07:01] <petarl> i tried finding it on google but no success
[07:01] <ogra> there is no magic in it
[07:01] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 
[07:02] <ogra> that'll make you root in the client environment
[07:02] <petarl> ogra> i know that, but i how to chroot LTSP client machines in that directory?
[07:02] <Bluekuja> petarl: follow ogra's suggestions, he knows everything about it
[07:02] <ogra> petarl, i dont understand what you mean 
[07:03] <ogra> the client machines use /opt/ltsp/i386 as / 
[07:04] <petarl> not on my server, users can see the server's / when they start File Browser
[07:04] <ogra> sure
[07:04] <ogra> thats how its supposed to be
[07:04] <ogra> could someone explain petarl how ltsp works ? 
[07:04] <petarl> so, how do i setup that they see /opt/ltsp/i386 as /?
[07:05] <ogra> you cant
[07:05] <ogra> and its not supposed to be
[07:05] <ogra> sorry but i cant do more support now, else we wont have a release
[07:05] <petarl> ok, thanx
[07:05] <ogra> the others here should be able to explain you how ltsp works
[07:06] <Bluekuja> petarl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaulSchulz?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=ltsp&titlesearch=Titoli
[07:06] <mhz> petarl: simple..
[07:06] <Bluekuja> ops not that one
[07:06] <Bluekuja> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo?highlight=%28ltsp%29
[07:06] <Bluekuja> this sorry
[07:06] <Bluekuja> i was watching a member candidate wiki page
[07:06] <mhz> petarl: LTPS is actually using an entire OS from a client with no more than ethernet card and RAM
[07:07] <petarl> ok, I get it how LTSP works, but I thought I can limit users in /opt/ltsp/i386
[07:07] <mhz> petarl: that means, the client is acutally using Server's resources
[07:07] <ogra> Bluekuja, argh, please dont promote that, thats how to set up ltsp.org ltsp on hoary, totally unrelated
[07:07] <Bluekuja> ogra: sorry i was trying to give petarl more info as possible
[07:08] <Bluekuja> :)
[07:08] <mhz> petarl: let's say I have no DVD drive, but the server does. Then via LTSP I can happily use DVD inside the drive
[07:08] <ogra> petarl, you obviously think that you an make users see /opt/ltsp/i386 as / so you didnt get yet how ltsp works :)
[07:08] <petarl> it seems like I didn't :)
[07:08] <petarl> thank you for the info
[07:08] <ogra> ;)
[07:09] <ogra> the *client* uses /opt/ltsp/i386 as /
[07:09] <ogra> but everything that happens in X (even on the client) happens on the server once you logged in
[07:09] <petarl> yup, right, I got it now, I was mixing clients with users
[07:09] <ogra> it is identical to the case wher your user is logged in on the server directly
[07:10] <petarl> would it be possible to run X on the client?
[07:10] <ogra> the chroot stuff is only used to run the underlying system to boot the client, its not accessible by users
[07:10] <ogra> X runs on the client and executes your login manager
[07:11] <ogra> which in turn establishes the login of the user *directly* on the server
[07:11] <ogra> i know its not easy to understand :)
[07:12] <petarl> well, I understand now, thank you for explaining :)
[07:12] <petarl> so the only way to limit users is to make the directories in / of the server inaccessible to them?
[07:13] <ogra> no
[07:13] <ogra> they need to be readable
[07:13] <ogra> i.e. you wont be able to log in if /etc/passwd isnt readable
[07:13] <ogra> why would you want to hide that stuff ? 
[07:14] <mhz> petarl: you limit users in the server side (the real /)
[07:14] <ogra> they will not be able to write to it
[07:14] <mhz> petarl: example:  adduser tester
[07:14] <mhz> petarl: then you set permissions to that user, as you would normally do
[07:15] <mhz> (groups and stuuff)
[07:15] <petarl> I want to use Edubuntu for internet caffe, so I'm trying to limit users in every possible way :)
[07:16] <mhz> petarl: then, adding users like explained will give them access to write to their /homes only
[07:16] <mhz> unless you add them to groups like cdrom, audio, etc
[07:17] <mhz> petarl: IF you add them to admin group, then they may have 'sudo' access
[07:17] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm interesting in locking down the server too, does sabayon do that?
[07:18] <ogra> yes, but breaks with ltsp if you dont have created a profile for every user
[07:18] <petarl> mhz> if I add them to those groups they will only be able to read?
[07:18] <mhz> LaserJock: but 'adduser' will only add target user to his own group, then... server is not 'under attack'
[07:18] <mhz> petarl: do this test:   $ adduser test1
[07:19] <petarl> with 'useradd' I can specify group to which user will be added, right?
[07:19] <mhz> well, yes, with adduser and useradd
[07:19] <petarl> mhz> ok, keep going :)
[07:19] <mhz> after user has been created, login with that users and see what he can do
[07:20] <mhz> and/or, use this command :  $ groups
[07:20] <petarl> ok, I usually do that with every user I create, but I thought that there is a way to hide / system from users
[07:21] <mhz> petarl: hmmm, nope, unless your FileManager lets you do so
[07:21] <ogra> i'd rather suggest using the gui for adduser (the user and groups admion)
[07:21] <mhz> ogra: ohhh, right!
[07:21] <mhz> :D
[07:21] <ogra> it has everything available with explanations of the groups and all
[07:22] <petarl> mhz, ogra, Bluekuja, thanx for all the help, I have to go now, but I'll try to report if I had any success
[07:22] <petarl> bye
[07:25] <mhz_init0> ogra: will, test in Lab in a couple of hours
[07:26] <cbx33> 25 mins till iso downloaded
[07:26] <cbx33> grrrr
[07:26] <ogra> live is apparently oversized :/
[07:26] <cbx33> oh no not again
[07:26] <cbx33> sorry ogra 
[07:27] <ogra> pitti added too many languages
[07:27] <ogra> i did the radical approach now and removed 6 
[07:27] <cbx33> yikes
[07:29] <LaserJock> 6 out of?
[07:29] <cbx33> hey LaserJock 
[07:29] <cbx33> howz you
[07:29] <bddebian> LaserJock!
[07:29] <cbx33> hi bddebian 
[07:29] <ogra> LaserJock, 14
[07:29] <bddebian> Heya cbx33
[07:32] <LaserJock> hi bddebian and cbx33 
[07:32] <LaserJock> ogra: and how much does that give us?
[07:32] <ogra> LaserJock, should be enough according to pitti
[07:33] <ogra> its only 5M on amd64 and ~2M on i386
[07:34] <LaserJock> hmm, seems like langpacks are a killer for everybody
[07:34] <ogra> yep
[07:35] <ogra> pitti broke a lot :)
[07:35] <ogra> seems ubuntu-server is 230M oversized *g*
[07:37] <LaserJock> goodness sakes
[07:46] <blue-frog> oh oh cameroon strikes back :)
[07:55] <bddebian> ogra: Enjoy :-)
[08:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: have you done any more on gisomount today?
[08:08] <williams402> Anyone out there willing to help a new user figure out a thin-clinet issue?
[08:09] <williams402> thin-client
[08:14] <Yagisan> not if you need an answer in 1 minute and 21 seconds from typing it 
[08:14] <LaserJock> exactly
[08:16] <ajayc> Yagisan, HI!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:16] <LaserJock> we need a bot that can autoreply "All of our Edubuntu representitives are busy right now, but your question  is important to us. Please stay in the channel"
[08:17] <ajayc> Yagisan, ?
[08:17] <Yagisan> ajayc: G'day
[08:18] <ajayc> why not at my chan?
[08:18] <Yagisan> LaserJock: please no
[08:18] <Yagisan> ajayc: because I'm training Fedora packagers for my last software release on Monday
[08:18] <Yagisan> ajayc: and as a result, I'm up way past my bedtime
[08:19] <ajayc> come on Yagisan please keep coming there
[08:21] <LaserJock> Fedora packaging? I've never tried to do a RPM before
[08:22] <Yagisan> LaserJock: me either. I'm making sure it is consitent naming, file locations, CFLAGS etc with the Ubuntu package
[08:24] <LaserJock> I just had to do the opposite this weekend :-)
[08:25] <Yagisan> LaserJock: I'm upstream. I get to decide best practice >;)
[08:25] <LaserJock> hehe
[08:32] <cbx33> LaserJock, no no more today
[08:33] <cbx33> ogra just burnt the cd's
[08:33] <cbx33> ready to test :D
[08:38] <LaserJock> well, I think my little packaging project is done, so maybe I can actually look at code today :-)
[08:41] <cbx33> oooooooooooooooooooooohhh amazing
[08:42] <bddebian> heh
[08:46] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you are going to be paid for your "little packaging project" :)
[08:47] <LaserJock> really? even if it doesn't work ;-)
[08:47] <Burgwork> right
[08:48] <cbx33> heh
[08:48] <bddebian> Heya Burgwork
[08:48] <cbx33> hmmm...
[08:58] <cbx33> ogra, I'm testing
[09:00] <ogra> cbx33, great
[09:00] <cbx33> ogra, do you want me to test any with LVM?
[09:00] <ogra> i386 eorkstation and default were successfull over here, lets see if you can proof that
[09:00] <ogra> as you like
[09:00] <cbx33> ok
[09:00] <ogra> its not on the testing martix on the wikipage though
[09:01] <cbx33> I'm doing a normal - freespace and workstation erase at the mo
[09:01] <cbx33> I'll let you know how it goes
[09:01] <cbx33> then I'll do a normal resize - workstation - manual
[09:01] <ogra> ok
[09:01] <cbx33> if that sounds good to you
[09:01] <cbx33> unless you have any more that are higher priority
[09:02] <ogra> i'll go for the other ppc stuff soon, so i'll be out here
[09:02] <cbx33> out of here ?
[09:02] <ogra> not online
[09:03] <cbx33> ieeeeeeee !
[09:03] <cbx33> well i hope all goes well
[09:03] <cbx33> you know if I had a ppc I'd test taht too
[09:03] <cbx33> you tested live yet?
[09:03] <ogra> the are broken
[09:03] <ogra> *they
[09:03] <ogra> as i said 
[09:03] <cbx33> oh that's what I wanted to ask....if there is a swap partition already there
[09:03] <cbx33> should it use that or create another one?
[09:04] <cbx33> I can test those tomorrow if needed?
[09:04] <ogra> it should use that afaik
[09:04] <cbx33> ok....I'll confirm it didn't last time i installed
[09:04] <ogra> then it probably shouldnt :)
[09:05] <cbx33> hehe ok bud :p
[09:05] <cbx33> take it easy Mr Ogra !
[09:05] <cbx33> relax all will be fine 
[09:05] <ogra> i try to
[09:05] <ogra> ppc didnt create a loopback device, thats a bit worrying
[09:05] <cbx33> hmmm.....indeed
[09:06] <ogra> i really wouldnt want to drop ppc from the release
[09:06] <cbx33> no,
[09:06] <cbx33> think you can find out what's causing it?
[09:06] <ogra> we had no ppc isos last time already because thes had a bug at the last day
[09:06] <cbx33> ah that sux
[09:06] <ogra> likely an installer or bug
[09:07] <cbx33> yeh
[09:07] <ogra> which would mean if it doesnt shiw up in ubuntu that we have to drop ppc
[09:07] <cbx33> really?
[09:07] <cbx33> that sux big time
[09:07] <cbx33> let's cross our fingers that it's gona show up in ubuntu
[09:07] <cbx33> have you gotten people checking it ?
[09:08] <ogra> thats what happened last release, its unlikely that we see any codechanges now
[09:12] <cbx33> ping pygi
[09:12] <cbx33> oh hes gone
[09:17] <cbx33> well they're installing ok so far :D
[09:18] <ogra> yep
[09:20] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[09:20] <cbx33> was just looking for you :p
[09:20] <cbx33> I have a bit of time to work on cookbook now while these isos install
[09:20] <cbx33> still need the help
[09:20] <cbx33> ?#
[09:20] <pygi> cbx33, yup
[09:21] <cbx33> I'll see what I can do then bud
[09:22] <pygi> thanks :)
[09:23] <cbx33> pygi, did you see the post about the CD customisation tool
[09:23] <cbx33> http://lichota.net/~krzysiek/projects/ubuntu-livecd-customization/
[09:23] <pygi> cbx33, nop
[09:23] <cbx33> be nice to hack that up for edubuntu
[09:24] <pygi> cbx33, who is that person?
[09:24] <pygi> anyone familiar?
[09:24] <cbx33> who Krzysztof Lichota?
[09:24] <cbx33> I've no idea
[09:24] <ogra> no idea but he probably should contact the LP team :)
[09:25] <cbx33> but they've posted quite a few times on the list
[09:25] <ogra> since thats one of the planned functionallitys of LP
[09:25] <pygi> what's planned functionality?
[09:26] <cbx33> what remastering live cds?
[09:26] <pygi> remastering cd's?
[09:26] <cbx33> WOW
[09:26] <pygi> nice ogra 
[09:26] <cbx33> pygi, only trouble is I can't do any screenshots at the moment
[09:26] <pygi> cbx33, no worries
[09:26] <cbx33> as all my edubuntu installs are being over written as we speak
[09:26] <pygi> just put what shoots is needed
[09:26] <ogra> creating Cds
[09:26] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[09:27] <ogra> you can select your set of packages and let LP create your derivative
[09:27] <ogra> but i'm not sure how far in the future that feature lies, its LP you know :)
[09:28] <cbx33> ogra, hehe
[09:28] <cbx33> don;t know if it'd be enough for my ideas of customisation
[09:28] <cbx33> :D
[09:28] <ogra> could be 1 year or more still
[09:32] <LaserJock> yeah, anytime I talk to #launchpad, it is always "eventually"
[09:33] <ogra> yes, they have too many admin dutys since we switched everything to LP
[09:33] <ogra> before the guys that are admins now had time for development as well
[09:36] <Lord_Athur> ogra, I need some cds, for me and for a lot of friends who want to use drapper, so I made requests two for some cds with different accounts, is that cheating?
[09:37] <cbx33> Lord_Athur, yes
[09:37] <cbx33> bad Lord_Athur :p
[09:37] <cbx33> more should become available soon or so I've been told
[09:37] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[09:37] <Lord_Athur> what can i do?
[09:37] <Lord_Athur> i didn't kn ow it was cheating
[09:38] <cbx33> I don;t know if that's classed as cheating...
[09:38] <cbx33> I wouldn't have done it but then....I just download one and burn the rest
[09:38] <cbx33> pygi, what formatting do you need doing on the installation page?
[09:39] <Lord_Athur> good idea cbx33, can launchpad cancel my two requests?
[09:42] <cbx33> not sure
[09:42] <cbx33> ask in #launchpad
[09:48] <pygi> cbx33, none any more
[09:49] <pygi> ogra, once upon the time I was working on a feature like that
[09:50] <pygi> (not integrated to launchpad, ofcourse)
[09:52] <cbx33> pygi, no reason why we can again :p
[09:52] <cbx33> can't
[09:53] <pygi> cbx33, not again what? :)
[09:54] <cbx33> ogra, it came up with two pacakges need updating 
[09:54] <cbx33> is that ok?
[09:55] <ogra> sure
[09:55] <cbx33> just wondering
[09:55] <cbx33> we have 2 scribus icons?
[10:00] <cbx33> damn he's gone
[10:01] <cbx33> I've tested the normal install using the freespace option
[10:01] <cbx33> there is no space for that in the Testing matrix
[10:05] <cbx33> ah ogra you're back
[10:05] <cbx33> got a quick question
[10:05] <cbx33> cbx33 I just tested the install CD for edubuntu using the use freespace option but it's not on the matrix
[10:05] <cbx33> cbx33 should I add it, or have I just wasted an hour
[10:06] <ogra> it is in the matrix just under a different name
[10:06] <pygi> cbx33, what are you talking to urself? :)
[10:06] <cbx33> oh waht's it under?
[10:06] <cbx33> no i posted somewhere else :p
[10:07] <cbx33> pygi, how hand holding are we being for this cookbook
[10:07] <cbx33> same level as installation ?
[10:07] <pygi> "hand holding"  - phrase explanation?
[10:08] <cbx33> do we do like
[10:08] <cbx33> steps a,b,c,d
[10:08] <cbx33> or a,e,j
[10:08] <pygi> ergh, I don't get it :)
[10:09] <cbx33> well in installatio there aer screenshots for every step
[10:09] <cbx33> are we going to that level for cookbook
[10:09] <pygi> cbx33, yup
[10:09] <pygi> that is always good :)
[10:09] <cbx33> ok
[10:10] <cbx33> ogra, do new users in edubuntu get added to the sound groups etc?
[10:10] <ogra> they should i think
[10:10] <cbx33> ok
[10:10] <ogra> its handled the same as in ubuntu ... 
[10:11] <cbx33> will check that later
[10:11] <cbx33> we have a sick guinea pig now too :()
[10:11] <cbx33> :(
[10:11] <cbx33> ogra, what's the freespace option called?
[10:11] <ogra> note that the UI is a bit weird, final data in the gui tool is only written on "accept" or something like that
[10:12] <cbx33> ok
[10:12] <ogra> hmm, youre right, it isnt there
[10:12] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[10:12] <ogra> but if you add a row we have to test that everywhere
[10:12] <ogra> hmm
[10:12] <cbx33> i think it should be tested tbh
[10:12] <ogra> (which i cant here)
[10:12] <cbx33> but that's imho
[10:13] <cbx33> but if it can't
[10:13] <cbx33> I'll give you the cbx33 seal of approval
[10:13] <cbx33> it works
[10:13] <ogra> well, it could break the whole testplan if we dont find someone who tests that on ppc
[10:13] <ogra> that doesnt count for mdz... he only checkst the table
[10:13] <ogra> +
[10:13] <ogra> oops
[10:14] <cbx33> i looked for mdz when you were out
[10:14] <cbx33> sorry to throw a spanner in the works
[10:15] <ogra> how did you test expert in RC btw ?
[10:15] <ogra> was there a menu item for it ?
[10:16] <cbx33> I havn't tested expert yet
[10:16] <ogra> you tested it in RC
[10:16] <cbx33> last time there was a ky
[10:16] <cbx33> F5
[10:16] <cbx33> i think changes from normal to expert
[10:16] <ogra> ok, i thought i had seen a menu item 
[10:17] <cbx33> no
[10:17] <cbx33> well i didn't see one
[10:17] <ogra> no there is none, i'm just remembering wrong
[10:22] <cbx33> ogra, so what am I doing with this freespace install data?
[10:22] <ogra> live CDs are up 
[10:23] <cbx33> ok
[10:23] <cbx33> ogra, I'll try to catch those today too
[10:23] <ogra> do as you think with the freespace thing :)
[10:24] <ogra> looks like i discovered a nice ppc bug here
[10:24] <cbx33> well I'm not gonna add a row to the matrix if you think people will jump on me and kill me
[10:24] <LaserJock> is it alway the live CDs that are oversized or is it a problem for the install cds too?
[10:24] <ogra> i didnt say that :)
[10:24] <ogra> LaserJock, that was a prob with the last liveCD build
[10:24] <cbx33> ok...beat me with sticks till i bleed ubuntu CDs
[10:24] <ogra> its fixed
[10:28] <cbx33> ogra, i didn a workstation install
[10:28] <cbx33> erase disk
[10:28] <cbx33> does that count as number 5
[10:28] <ogra> good
[10:28] <ogra> if you count them ...
[10:29] <cbx33> no they have numbers
[10:29] <cbx33> does a workstation install count for 5 and 8
[10:30] <ogra> heh, sfllaw doesnt really know edubuntu
[10:31] <cbx33> hehe
[10:31] <cbx33> so waht do you reckon?
[10:31] <ogra> indeed that should be erase disk with the default install, but since boith versions are already tested and the erase stuff is testing the partitioner only i'd say yes
[10:31] <ogra> just apply it to 5 and 8
[10:31] <cbx33> swat I thought
[10:31] <cbx33> ok
[10:32] <cbx33> I'm testing expert mode now
[10:32] <ogra> ltsp hasnt changed 
[10:32] <ogra> so dont expect it to work in expert
[10:33] <cbx33> ok
[10:36] <cbx33> added my ones
[10:39] <cbx33> good for you
[10:39] <cbx33> that's 4 I've added to the list
[10:39] <cbx33> just starting the 5th now
[10:39] <cbx33> and Just about to get live cd
[10:39] <pygi> ogra, I'll probably get Mac Mini so I guess I could help with testing edgy on ppc
[10:43] <cbx33> ogra, is tomorrow to laet for testing
[10:47] <LaserJock> cbx33: i would imagine so :/
[10:47] <cbx33> ogra, but in expert I think
[10:47] <cbx33> do you have time to confirm?
[10:52] <cbx33> eek
[10:52] <cbx33> bug 
[10:52] <cbx33> in expert
[10:53] <LaserJock> hehe, experts need bugs, otherwise they get bored :-)
[10:53] <cbx33> well
[10:53] <cbx33> it asks me for my password
[10:53] <cbx33> but not for my username
[10:54] <cbx33> bit of a problem area me thinks
[10:54] <ogra> did you select oem mode ?
[10:55] <ogra> sounds a bit like :)
[10:56] <ogra> btw, its never to late for testing, but it will be to late to roll new CDs tomorrow so if you find bugs we wont be able to fix them
[10:56] <pygi> cbx33, just test it :)
[11:04] <recover> sorry bout that
[11:05] <cbx33> ogra....did you reply to that
[11:05] <cbx33> my net dies
[11:05] <crimsun> ogra's testing ppc
[11:06] <cbx33> did he say whether my expert bug was a bug or not?