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AlinuxOSdoes KDE use .fonts.config for its configuration?12:41
AlinuxOSIn gnome I use my own ~/.fonts.config12:42
AlinuxOSwhat about KDE ?12:42
OdyXAlinuxOS: Well.. I think KDE uses its own one.12:42
OdyXAlinuxOS: With all respect, this is no support chan...12:43
RiddellKDE uses fontconfig, same as Qt12:43
Riddellsame as GTK12:43
AlinuxOSI'm making fontconfig for georgian12:43
AlinuxOSI don't need support12:43
Riddellit should all be the same12:43
AlinuxOSjust want to know if kde uses .fonts.config :)12:43
AlinuxOSRiddell, ;)12:43
AlinuxOSthank you!12:43
AlinuxOSso there will be great Georgian font support.12:44
OdyXAlinuxOS: sorry for "agression" then.12:44
AlinuxOSRiddell, thank you a lot!!:)12:44
AlinuxOSOdyX, ;)12:44
AlinuxOSthank you too for respect...rulez are rulez! ;)12:44
OdyXAlinuxOS: that's it... I could'n't know....12:45
AlinuxOS;)12:46
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Riddell** please test deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ dapper main01:56
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bddebianHello02:44
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nixternalRiddell: i am applying the updates now for kde-35303:10
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Riddellneoncode: thanks03:20
bddebianHeya Riddell03:21
Riddellmorning bddebian 03:22
jeroenvrpRiddell: will kde 3.5.3 be part of kubuntu-updates or will it be optional manually?03:23
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neoncodeRiddell: Wha?03:29
nixternal3.5.3 installed and running...will test it further03:29
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neoncodeOh, I take it you ment nixternal, Riddell 03:29
nixternali didn't even see what Riddell posted..i rebooted03:30
nixternalSysinfo for 'cabowabo': Linux 2.6.16-ck11 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMDAthlonprocessor at 1400 MHz (2804 bogomips), , RAM: 245/250MB, 103 proc's, 9.2min up03:30
neoncode[02:20]  <Riddell> neoncode: thanks03:30
nixternalit is there...up and running03:30
nixternalfrom login to desktop even after upgrade was 4 seconds...nice03:30
nixternalmy only gripe is that it replaced my kweather icons...but nothing like copying them over to fix it...nothing big at all03:31
nixternaltook me a whole 5 seconds to fix that03:31
robotgeeknixternal: however, i don't know how to do it :). so it will take me much longer!03:31
nixternalit is very easy03:32
nixternalsudo cp my_transparent_icons /usr/local/share/kweather/03:32
nixternalthat easy ;)03:32
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neoncodeWhere can you download the kubuntu symbol thing?03:58
nixternalneoncode: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork04:00
goldenearRiddell: IMPORTANT INFORMATION : I've upgraded kubuntu-default-settings a few hours ago... I've juste created a new user accound to see if the mime types associations were ok... but it's not... Kaffeine is still the default player for embedded videos and keep CRASHING Konqueror! Did you get the patch from Tonio ?04:02
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goldenearThis is a very serious problem and it had to be fixed before the final release...04:03
goldenearI hope you'll read my message... I'll be back at noon. If you need my help about this, I'll be there :)04:05
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imbrandonheya Riddell your symlink for kde-latest dosent point to 353 ;)04:35
bddebianHi imbrandon04:36
imbrandonheya bddebian ;)04:36
imbrandonman i cant wait for dapper to get released and edgy repos to open , i'm all like a little kid ancy and waiting .....04:42
bddebianHeh04:45
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hendryhas anyone recently tried Openoffice?05:00
hendrynothing works05:00
bddebianWorked for me on Friday05:01
hendryin fact when i select something from the menu, it freezes my desktop05:01
hendryi am using amd6405:01
bddebianAh, well there's your problem. ;-)05:02
bddebianSorry, j/k.  I have only ix86 :-(05:02
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freeflyinghendry: OOo can work on i386 and ppc for me 05:19
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hendryfreeflying: sigh05:22
hendryOO is crashing for me under Debian too. when I save as M$ XML doc05:28
freeflyinghendry: maybe OOo wanna you use koffice  :)05:29
hendryfreeflying: koffice isn't the default Ubuntu office. standard office app is openoffice05:30
freeflyinghendry: I see, koffice is lighter than OOo05:31
hendrylighter is appealing05:31
hendryit appealed to me too at first05:31
hendrybut as i have more exp with it (and customers). OO is far better for compatibility05:31
freeflyingya, koffice can not handle M$ office's doc well05:32
hendryhmm05:33
hendryin Windows, when I run the same test, it says it requires a JRE05:33
hendryin Ubuntu it just crashes05:33
hendryok, OO bug time05:33
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faboRiddell: what do i need to do if i want kvpnc 0.8.5.1 in dapper ? uvf exception request ?12:11
Hobbseehi all12:11
fabohi Hobbsee 12:11
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Hobbseefabo: what's the changelog?12:12
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Hobbseeonly bug fixes, or new features?12:12
faboonly bug fixes12:13
Hobbseeyeah, it'd either not happen at all, or need a UVF request12:14
fabook12:15
Hobbseefabo: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html12:16
Riddellfabo: you'd need to sacrifice some lambs to sabdfl12:23
Hobbseehehe12:26
Hobbseei thought it may have gotten to that stage :P12:27
fabo:)12:28
Riddellimbrandon: did you try ke 3.5.3?12:29
Riddellkde12:29
HobbseeRiddell: is it out yet???12:29
imbrandonyup 12:29
imbrandonSysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2934 MHz (5871 bogomips), HD: 53/147GB, RAM: 770/1002MB, 121 proc's, 3.9h up12:29
imbrandonbeen running it about 6 hours now12:30
imbrandonor so12:30
RiddellHobbsee: sssh12:31
RiddellHobbsee: but do test it please12:31
HobbseeRiddell: well, where is it?  *whispers*12:31
Riddellimbrandon: any problems?12:31
Riddelldeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ dapper main12:31
Hobbseegotcha12:31
imbrandonnone at all, infact fixed a few little "issues" from before like amarok not starting clean etc12:31
imbrandonbtw latest armarok i think too12:32
Riddellimbrandon: did you find it got rid of double icons on the system tray?12:32
imbrandonyup yup exactly12:32
Riddellthat seems like a regretion12:32
imbrandonyea othern than the official dapper i use .....12:33
imbrandondeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main12:33
imbrandon#deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main12:33
imbrandondeb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main12:33
imbrandonyea and the adept updater dosent dissapear anymore either12:33
imbrandon*icon*12:34
seaLneimbrandon: something held back?12:34
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imbrandonyea seaLne but before it would randomly dissapear on me 3.5.2 even when there was updates, couldent reporduce it regularly so i dident file a report12:35
Hobbsee_die Hobbsee die!12:35
imbrandonheh12:35
Hobbsee:)12:35
Hobbseewasnt going to download a large amount over the wireless...12:35
imbrandonahh12:36
seaLnearggh anasthetic wearing off, just had tooth removed :(12:36
Hobbseenot if i wanted to test it before dinner...12:36
imbrandoni need to debug my wireless, freakin ndiswrapper hardlocks my comp when i ifup wlan0 ;)12:36
imbrandononly with this card though so i know its a driver issue12:36
Hobbseeimbrandon: what card?12:37
imbrandonbeen stringing a cat5 cable accross the house the last week or so till i get it figured out12:37
Hobbseemine sometimes locks when i remove the car12:37
Hobbseed12:37
imbrandonrealtek 818512:37
imbrandonits a pci wireless card in a desktop comp12:38
Hobbseewhat chipset, and can you use another driver for it?12:38
imbrandoninfact they have linux drivers on their site too that you can compile and run but i get the same thing, thats why i said its a driver issue, i'm going to dualboot with suse later today and see if its a ubuntu thing or just crappy drivers12:39
Hobbseeah ok12:39
imbrandonrealtek chipset12:39
imbrandonbut whatever it is it does it in dapper and breezy so i'm assumeing it will do it in suse too but i've got a few hundred gigs of space to waste so i'lll try it anyhow just to rule it out12:40
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imbrandonheheh12:40
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imbrandonyea nixternal told me Riddell said something about it , and i was like wtf its not linked to kde-latest ? heh12:41
imbrandonHobbsee, nah i've rebooted a few times and been running it "in use" the last few hours and seems realy solid12:41
Hobbseeoh good :)12:42
Hobbseebah.  do people proofread their documents at all?12:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: an FYI:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu/UpgradeProblems12:42
Hobbseeer, a FYI12:43
imbrandonyea i've always said adept is the devil ;) we need a qt synaptic clone ;)12:44
Hobbseehehe12:44
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HobbseeRiddell: can i have a preliminary whinge?01:08
RiddellHobbsee: hmm?01:08
Hobbseethe icons are in one row, instead of 2 - it was much more economical for screenspace to have 2 rows of icons, like we did in 3.5.201:09
HobbseeSysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4791 bogomips), , RAM: 771/993MB, 99 proc's, 1.12h up01:09
Hobbseegood01:09
RiddellI entirely agree01:10
pygikwwii, poke :)01:10
HobbseeRiddell: how does one go about changing it?01:10
Hobbseehehe!01:10
RiddellHobbsee: no idea01:10
HobbseeRiddell: hmm...seems to be dependant on the width of the kicker...anything >48 pixels, and it goes to two rows01:10
imbrandonhmm i guess i dident notice becouse my kicker is resized and always shows one row01:10
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Hobbseeimbrandon: how do you fit all the windows on the kicker that way?01:12
Riddellif I set it to 48 it works01:12
Riddellbut not Normal01:12
HobbseeRiddell: yes, same here.  wonder why the default wasnt set that way01:12
imbrandonHobbsee, i only have about 4 or 5 windows per desktop open at a time01:12
Hobbseeimbrandon: ah okay.  and any icons...01:12
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Hobbseeahh...is T - 3 the days till release?01:13
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kwwiipygi: hi01:13
Hobbseekwwii: does k-d-s set the width of the kicker?01:13
pygikwwii, hey, what are you upto? :)01:13
Hobbseeer, height?01:13
kwwiipygi: in portugal working on oxygen01:13
imbrandoni hope not ;) 01:13
kwwiiHobbsee: don't think so01:13
Hobbseehmmm...01:14
pygikwwii, nice, any thought on things I sent you yesterday?01:14
RiddellHobbsee: no shouldn't do01:14
imbrandonHobbsee, what do you mean icons, here is my current screen http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/kde353.png01:14
Hobbseewonder where it's set then...01:14
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imbrandonheh01:15
Hobbseeah yeah - i tend to have a few icons on the side, like konsole and firefox as well...01:15
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kwwiiit seems that at the "normal" panel size the dock icons get cut off at the bottom01:16
Hobbseehmmm...no dishes01:16
Hobbseewell, no interest in them, anyway01:17
kwwiilol, ksvn installs but has no package dependency on subversion itself01:20
Hobbseekwwii: fix it?  :P01:21
Hobbseeguess it's kinda late for that 01:21
kwwiiyeah, well esvn works :-)01:22
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HobbseeRiddell: was there anything in particular that you wanted us to test for?01:24
Riddelljust that it works01:24
RiddellI can copy it to the KDE servers if it does01:24
Hobbseei could have sworn i got that from you last time...01:24
Hobbseeit seems to work okay - havent had any crashes01:25
Riddellperfect01:27
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Hobbseeand smoke.  cant forget the smoke.01:27
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Riddelltoo late01:28
Hobbseehehe01:28
Hobbseegood thing i was joking then :P01:28
Hobbseei'm so glad we get these things, before the rest of the world01:29
HobbseeRiddell: this feels rather like breezy.  want to try your luck again?01:29
Hobbseeokay, dishes are *now* occuring01:30
Hobbsee:)01:37
imbrandonheh01:37
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mornfallimbrandon: feel free to write the clone01:50
imbrandonclone ?01:50
imbrandonohh the adept , nah i would honestly be better of contrib to adept if i had the time/skills ( i hate it when there are 50 apps that do the same thing )01:51
imbrandonoff*01:51
imbrandonthat and there is a kynaptic but its old/outdated from what i've seen01:53
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mornfallyou could obviously fix kynaptic aswell01:53
imbrandonprobbly if i had the time/skills yes ;)01:54
imbrandonbut that would also just add to the *more apps to do the same job* type thing when adept is opensource why not help if/when i can ;)01:54
mornfallwell, the problem is that it seems you can't 01:55
imbrandonall in all it was said in jest, i say the same thing about firefox, konq, etc etc etc ;) please dont take me to heart01:55
imbrandonmornfall, you are probbly more than correct ;)01:56
mornfallokey01:57
LureRiddell: looks like breezy->dapper upgrade is causing kdm crash due to corrupted/missing ~/.face.icon02:13
Luresee bug 37529, 47142 and 4745502:13
UbugtuMalone bug 37529 in kdebase "kdm crash due to corrupted ~/.face.icon file" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3752902:13
UbugtuMalone bug 47142 in kdebase "have to boot twice to start kdm" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4714202:13
UbugtuMalone bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4745502:13
Riddellwhat would .face.icon be?02:14
kwwiiwhoever picked nano as the default editor should just use windows02:16
kwwiiit SUCKS!02:16
Hobbseenooooo!02:16
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pygikwwii, not all know how to use Vi/m02:16
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kwwiiso how in the hell do I use it with svn02:17
kwwiiit always asks me the filename I want to save something to02:17
kwwiicrap.tmp02:18
Riddelljust agree with what it gives you02:18
LureRiddell: I think it is the icon presented on login (we do not use it) and set in SysSettings-> User Account02:18
Lurekwwii: just add "export EDITOR=vi" to your ~/.bash_profile as I did...02:20
LureRiddell: is 3.5.3 planned for -updates?02:20
Hobbseeor sudo update-alternatives --config-editor or something02:21
RiddellLure: I don't know, maybe02:21
RiddellI'd need to make decent packages first02:21
LureRiddell: I have just seen that they plan to have GNOME minor release in -updates....02:21
LureRiddell: your test packages are quite decent typically... ;-)02:22
Hobbseeurgh, someone in #kubuntu 's already found out about the kde 3.5.3 packages..02:23
kwwiiLure: I use zsh, but yeah, I already changed it02:24
LureHobbsee: they are lurking here I suppose... ;-)02:25
HobbseeLure, apparently they found it thru konstruct02:25
Riddellthat means they compile it themselves02:26
Hobbseesilly people :P02:26
Hobbseefair enough02:26
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goldenearHi02:55
goldenearRiddell: did you get my message ?02:55
Riddellyes02:55
RiddellI uploaded the changes tonio sent me, if they don't work it's too late02:55
goldenearRiddell: the problem is that the changes don't seem to have been applied02:56
goldenearThe upgraded profilerc is almost the same as the old one... only a few lines about x-mplayer2 have been added at the end of the file02:58
goldenearIt seems that the patch we worked on with Tonio has not been applied02:58
Riddellhmm, maybe I uploaded an older version02:59
goldenearI guess02:59
goldenearcould you paste me the tonio patch (or the resultant patched file) on pastebin03:00
goldenearI would like to check it03:01
OdyX!!!!!!!!!!!! <!--- My DVD cannot have DMA again !-------------> !!!!!!!!03:01
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Riddellhttp://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kds.diff03:01
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Lurehi raphink - all nice for you on the coast?03:11
raphinkhi Lure03:12
raphinkwould be nicer if I had internet at home03:12
raphinkso I could help here03:12
raphink:(03:12
raphinkapart from that it's ok03:12
raphinksun shining, water is hot enough03:12
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Lureraphink: cool - it is rainy over here :-(03:14
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raphinkit has been a bit windy since yesterday03:15
Lureraphink: good for sailing... ;-)03:17
raphinka bit too much03:17
raphinkfor sailing03:17
raphinkand I don't have a sail yet03:17
raphinkbut a fisherman I know said he can easily find me a staff to sail with03:17
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raphinkthinks03:35
OdyXYop raphink....03:35
raphinkyop toi mme :)03:35
OdyXI meant... It's probably "the" gael"03:35
raphinkmhm03:36
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Riddellclaydoh: yes03:38
bddebianHowdy folks03:38
claydohthought so, wonder how ulteo is coming along....03:39
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pygiclaydoh, coming along well :)03:41
claydohcool03:46
goldenearRiddell: The modifications in the patch are correct... but I can't understand what's the original file to be patched... doesn't seem to be the same original profilerc than I :(03:46
abattoirhello everyone :) 03:47
Hobbseehi abattoir 03:47
abattoirRiddell: very busy i assume :) 03:47
abattoirhello hobbsee03:48
pygihey abattoir :P03:50
abattoirhi pygi ;) 03:51
goldenearhello abattoir03:51
abattoirhello goldenear03:51
Hobbseeabattoir: it was you, who told me about the kopete devices patch, wasnt it?03:51
abattoirHobbsee: i dont think so...03:52
abattoirwhen was this?03:52
Hobbseeabattoir: a few months ago03:52
Hobbseesomeone did...their nick started with a...or maybe b...03:52
goldenearWhois is the maitainer of the kubuntu-default-settings package ?03:52
goldenearRiddell I assume03:52
Hobbseegoldenear: kwwii, i guess.03:52
Hobbseeor is that tonio?03:53
abattoirHobbsee: not sure, you mean the video devices?03:53
Hobbseeabattoir: yeah, how it'd crash when you hit configure, devices03:53
Riddellgoldenear: me03:53
Hobbseeoh, i was wrong on both counts :P03:53
Riddellalthough tonio has done much of the work recently03:53
abattoirHobbsee: i really dont think it was me :P 03:53
Hobbseehmmmm okay...03:53
Hobbseeoh well03:53
abattoirRiddell: i have a couple of questions about my spec... or should i wait after dapper comes out? ;) 03:54
abattoirRiddell: soc :P 03:54
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Riddellabattoir: ask away03:55
abattoirRiddell: 1. i first have to port the glade to QT, then i can work on a better interface right? should i talk about this with Kamion before finishing the spec? or are you guys to busy w/ dapper for that now?03:56
pygiabattoir, ergh, glade to QT? Don't we have QT Designer?03:57
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abattoirpygi: yes... does it automatically convert glade to .UI ? :S ;)03:58
pygiabattoir, no, but you could implement that function03:58
goldenearRiddell: ok. so I don't understand what happens with the Tonio's patch...03:58
imbrandonabattoir, yes , well semi automatic, needs tweaking afterwords03:58
abattoirpygi: i though each student had to write a spec for their app03:58
pygiabattoir, indeed :)03:58
abattoir*thought03:58
pygiabattoir, yes, they do :)03:59
Riddellabattoir: if you have user interface improvements you should probably spec them before starting on any code03:59
goldenearRiddell: Where could I download the *actual* profilerc file (the one included in the latest kubuntu-default-settings package) ?03:59
goldenearI'd only need a few minutes to make a clean patch for it04:00
imbrandonabattoir,  pygi, down twords the bottom talks about importing glade files to qt designer http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/designer-manual-9.html04:00
Riddellgoldenear: apt-get source k-d-s04:01
abattoirRiddell: ok.... and 2. I also proposed a tool for OEMs to configure among other things, the details which are asked of the user(after i finish working on the OEM Inst.) should i include it in the spec or wait till i finish this first?04:01
Luregoldenear: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc?04:02
Riddellabattoir: sounds like a fair thing to include in the spec04:02
abattoirok, Riddell, pygi, imbrandon, thanks a lot :) 04:02
abattoirRiddell: i'll post the link here when i'm done04:02
Riddellabattoir: but I'd keep the improvements separate from the "just porting" part so it's easy for reviews to see which paragraphs are which04:02
abattoirRiddell: ok, so for now(during porting) i dont need to discuss w/ Kamion right?04:03
abattoirRiddell: I mean about where the Ubuntu OEM installer is going, his plans for it.04:04
jeroenvrp_Sime: are you there04:04
Riddellabattoir: do point him towards the spec04:04
abattoirRiddell: ok, thanks04:05
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Hobbseehmmm... kde 3.5.3 doenst seem to like firefox too much...my version of firefox, nayway.04:20
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LureRiddell: first crash of Kontact 3.5.3 - on empty trash (Disconnected IMAP)04:25
LureRiddell: where should I report backtrace?04:25
LureHobbsee: what do you mean "doesn't like"?04:25
Riddellbugs.kde.org04:26
HobbseeLure: didnt seem to want to render pages the first time...on multiple sites04:26
freeflying|awayRiddell: kde-3.5.3's system tray change to one line?04:26
Hobbseei'ts likely to be my system though...04:26
Hobbseefreeflying|away: set the height to be 48, it goes back to 2 lines...04:26
LureHobbsee: it is working fine for me (my main browser)04:26
freeflying|awayHobbsee: thx04:26
HobbseeLure: mozilla binaries, or repo version?04:26
LureHobbsee: repo + some extensions04:27
Hobbseethought so04:27
Riddellfreeflying|away: yes, and apparantly the 3.5.2 behaviour was a bug04:28
HobbseeRiddell: darn it!  was a nice bug!04:28
RiddellI know04:28
freeflying|awaytwo line looks more nice than one line 04:29
RiddellI guess we just up the default kicker height in edgy by a pixel or two04:29
Hobbseefreeflying|away: much more economical use of screenspace, too...04:30
Hobbseehmm..now the room shouldnt be spinning slightly, or shifting, should it?04:30
freeflying|awayHobbsee: :)04:30
imbrandonnot unless you have some good lsd Hobbsee04:31
Hobbseeheh04:32
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freeflying|awaymy kicker haven't crashed for about 8 hrs in kde-3.5.304:32
Hobbseeimbrandon: if this feels like what taking lsd's like, i cant see why anyone would take it more than once...04:33
imbrandonheh04:33
Hobbseegets kinda hard to move around if the walls keep moving, you know :P04:33
imbrandonhungover ?04:33
Hobbseeno, i dont drink04:34
imbrandonahh maybe you should if the walls are moving , j/k04:34
imbrandon;)04:34
HobbseeLOL!04:35
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Hobbseenight all...04:38
OdyXnight Hobbsee04:41
bddebianGnight Hobbsee04:43
LureRiddell: done - kde bug 12831904:44
UbugtuKDE bug 128319 in general "kmail crash on empty trash (disconnected imap)" [Crash,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12831904:44
Hobbseeimbrandon: dream on, it got cut too close in breezy, i dont think Riddell wants to risk it again...04:45
Hobbseeoh okay, never mind.04:45
imbrandon[07:20]  <Lure> Riddell: is 3.5.3 planned for -updates?04:46
imbrandon[07:21]  <Hobbsee> or sudo update-alternatives --config-editor or something04:46
imbrandon[07:21]  <Riddell> Lure: I don't know, maybe04:46
imbrandon[07:21]  <Riddell> I'd need to make decent packages first04:46
imbrandon;)04:46
Hobbseemmm, okay...04:46
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goldenearRiddell: you can find my modified profilerc file and the corresponding .diff (for patch the prodilerc file from the actual source)06:01
goldenearRiddell: also I've found that kmplayer_part.desktop would also need some modifications06:02
goldenearHow is the maintainer of the kmplayer package ? (and kpart_kmplayer)06:03
RiddellKoos is quite responsive06:04
goldenearKoos ?06:06
Riddellkoos vriezen <koos.vriezen@gmail.com>06:06
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goldenearRiddell: I have also made a patch for kmplayer_part.desktop (and kmplayer.desktop that have to be keep in sync for mimetypes)06:14
goldenearRiddell: do I have to send the patch to him or also to you ?06:14
Riddellgoldenear: if it's an upstream bug send it to Koos06:22
goldenearRiddell: but it will be to late for dapper, isn't it ?06:25
Riddellyes06:25
goldenear:(06:25
goldenearRiddell: no fixes can be commited any more ?06:26
Riddellwe should be able to do small fixes in dapper-updates after release06:29
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tomaeeps07:17
Riddellis that a good eep?07:17
tomayes it is07:17
tomamade a lot of money today, so i'm happy07:18
goldenear<Riddell> we should be able to do small fixes in dapper-updates after release <-- but at least the profilerc file must be ok on the Dapper CD... if not, any user created before updating will have konqueror crashing with embedded video!07:36
Riddellthat's not a release critical problem07:37
Riddelland it's better than it wasn breezy07:37
Riddelland the installer will update from dapper-updates during install07:38
goldenearisn't crahing a critical problem ???07:38
Riddellnot release critical no07:38
tomai hope i can print soon07:39
goldenearRiddell: could you just take the profilerc file (or the .diff) from http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu07:40
Riddellthat's quite a diff07:41
goldenearJust fix kubuntu-default-settings with that... no more crash (for each new user) after this :)07:41
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goldenearRiddell: yes, I've set the correct mime types for many formats07:43
Riddellcan you get tonio to review it?07:43
goldenearI hope he will be on irc tonight07:43
goldenearRiddell: also you can get two modified files: kmplayer.desktop and kmplayer_part.desktop07:45
goldenearI've update the mimes types is these files too07:45
Riddellsend those to koos07:45
goldenearthis will make kmplayer_part manage any embedded format :)07:46
Riddellhave you checked it an manage all those formats?07:47
goldenearsure07:50
goldenear <Riddell> send those to koos <-- done07:50
Riddelllet me know what he says07:51
bddebianCan anyone with main rights look at a patch for kscd?  Bug #3796307:51
UbugtuMalone bug 37963 in kscd "[patch]  song title partially hidden" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3796307:51
bddebianOnly if time permits of course, I know everyone is busy07:51
goldenearRiddell: kmplayer could already manage all those formats... I've just added some missing corresponding mime types07:52
goldenearThis is not a big work... but at least it makes things working correctly :)07:53
goldenearno more crash!07:53
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goldenearRiddell: is koos often on this IRC channel ?07:54
uniqhum.. anyone else got oo.o UI font problems? or is it just me? 07:56
Riddellno07:56
Riddelluniq: occationally07:56
goldenear:/07:56
uniqi have all squares here..07:56
Riddellok, not that bad07:57
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goldenearhi Tonio_ !!!07:58
Tonio_hey07:58
goldenearyou're here at the good moment :D07:58
Tonio_ah ?07:59
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goldenearI've redone a new patch for profilerc07:59
goldenearcould you check it ... http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu08:00
Tonio_Riddell: I think we should discuss this in paris june with kde devs invited08:00
Tonio_Riddell: the number of complains and bug reports concerning this kio is simply stupid...08:00
RiddellTonio_: ervin will be there08:00
Tonio_Riddell: very nice ;)08:00
Tonio_I'm preparing a little list of common issues reported to have good arguments08:00
Tonio_goldenear: the changes concerning the audio extensions ?08:01
Tonio_goldenear: I already submitted them to Riddell but they haven't been accepted...08:01
Tonio_Riddell: I assume it was to late for this no ?08:01
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Riddellit is now08:02
Tonio_Riddell: was it 2 days ago when you uploaded latest version ?08:02
Tonio_Riddell: that's a bit weird since audio files are still managed with kaffeine...08:02
RiddellTonio_: I seem to have uploaded an old version08:03
Tonio_Riddell: argh !08:03
Riddellyeah, I know, sorry08:04
Tonio_Riddell: is it really too late now ?08:04
Riddellyes08:04
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goldenearoh no !!!08:04
Riddellbut we can probably get it in dapper-updates08:04
bddebianYeah, go Tonio_ go :-)08:04
Tonio_that's a good argument to try coredev...08:04
raphinkgo go go08:05
goldenearRiddell: why is it too late ?08:05
Tonio_Riddell: yes good, that will do the job since it will close bugs ;)08:05
Riddellgoldenear: uploads are closed except for "wipes your hard disk" type bugs08:05
crimsungoldenear: release is thursday...08:05
Tonio_goldenear: 2 days before release means only critical bugfixes can go in08:05
goldenearRiddell: can't you just add my profilerc file to the package ?08:05
Tonio_btw it is raphink's fault ;)08:06
Riddellput it in post release updates https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseRadar08:06
goldenearbut konqueror crash is a critical bug ...08:06
raphinkTonio_: huh?08:06
raphinkwhat is my fault?08:06
raphinkgoldenear: no it's not08:06
raphinkit's a normal bug08:06
raphinkit's critical for konqueror on the KDE BTs08:06
raphinkit's normal for the konqueror package for Ubuntu08:07
Tonio_raphink: well, you two only can upload and as I can't blame Riddell, I blame you ;)08:07
Tonio_sounds logic ;)08:07
raphinknot the same level 08:07
Tonio_raphink: kiddin' of course ;)08:07
raphinkTonio_: pay me an internet connection right now in my new house :p08:07
raphinkthen I'm there all the time to help 08:07
Tonio_bddebian: I will try, at least, in one or two month probably08:07
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RiddellTonio_: you can blame me, that's what I'm here for08:07
OdyXRiddell: exact... :D08:08
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OdyX+l08:08
Tonio_Riddell: with 1500 things to do in a day, no I can't ;)08:08
Tonio_I should have tried coredev before08:08
tomabddebian: i can confirm the problem in kscd and lowering the font to 8 makes it fit beautiful. Did not test the patch itself but it seems straightforward.08:08
Tonio_so I will blame myself08:08
bddebianTonio_: Well I put my name on the list, thought I don't know why :-)08:08
bddebians/thought/though/08:08
bddebianThanks toma08:08
Tonio_goldenear: we will try to get it in dapper-updates in one or two weeks08:09
goldenearbut it won't work !08:09
Tonio_goldenear: that's not *that* horrible :)08:09
Tonio_goldenear: sure it will08:09
Tonio_goldenear: it is okay concerning the video, not the audio08:09
goldenearI mean it will only fix the problem for newly created users (after the dapper update)08:10
Tonio_goldenear: in fact, afaics Riddell uploaded your patch and not mine, but your patch was nice with the video part08:10
Tonio_goldenear: that is by far the most important08:10
Tonio_goldenear: no it won't as long as user don't tweek settings08:11
Tonio_if they just let it work, they will not write an overwritting profilerc file in their profile08:11
Tonio_goldenear: and beleave me, most users don't change this ;)08:11
goldenearTonio_: i'm made the test... /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc is only used for new users08:12
Tonio_goldenear: NO08:12
Tonio_goldenear: I know kds by heart, and I can bet my girlfriend on this :)08:12
Tonio_goldenear: settings are read in that order :08:12
goldenear... I've still have a girlfriend ... but why not :D08:12
goldenearlol08:12
Tonio_~/.kde/share -> kds folder -> /usr/share08:13
Tonio_and config files are merged in that order08:13
Tonio_with that priority08:13
Tonio_so if a setting isn't changed by the user, the config will be kds -> /usr/share08:14
Tonio_raphink: when will you get internet access at home ?08:14
raphinkno idea08:15
raphinkje dois avoir ma premire facture EDF d'abord08:15
raphinkpour demander l'ouverture du compte Free08:15
raphinkTonio_: l pour une fois j'aimerais bien la recevoir rapidement la facture08:16
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Tonio_raphink: hehe, je comprends bien ma couille ;)08:24
raphink;)08:25
Tonio_raphink: tu es pas sur nice ?08:25
goldenear<Tonio_> so if a setting isn't changed by the user, the config will be kds -> /usr/share <-- You're right, I've done the test and it works *if the user doesn't change settings*08:25
Tonio_parceque je crois que nice est une plateforme de test pour pas mal de technos internet/telephone08:25
raphinkTonio_: je suis  Vallauris08:25
raphink20km de Nice08:25
Tonio_raphink: merdoum.....08:25
raphinkpetit village ;)08:25
Tonio_goldenear: most users won't08:26
raphinkmais bon c'est la banlieue de Nice08:26
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Tonio_goldenear: and that still makes an interesting point to perform for edgy08:26
Tonio_goldenear: dapper should be perfect to prepare the future ;)08:26
Tonio_raphink: tu devrais te renseigner si y a pas un truc local chez toi08:27
Tonio_genre wimax ou autre en test08:27
raphinkTonio_: j'ai pas de wifi sur ma machine08:27
goldenearTonio_: I hope so... but I'm pretty sure we will still have many bug reports about it during the nextweeks :(08:27
Tonio_je sais que nice a t la premire ville ou on a test internet par le cable par exemple08:27
raphinksinon je tenterais de capter les voisins08:27
Tonio_goldenear: of course, that's logic08:27
Tonio_raphink: si tu trouves un rseau wep, tu me dis, je suis docteur S crackage de wepkey :)08:28
raphinkTonio_: haha08:28
Tonio_raphink: tu peux pter tous les wep que tu crackes en une heure montre en main et avec une main dans le dos en plus :)08:28
raphinkwow :)08:29
Tonio_raphink: renseigne toi sur le packet aircrack :)08:29
raphinkok08:29
Tonio_raphink: il est dans universe08:29
raphinkoki08:30
goldenearTonio_: I just can't understand why Riddell could not simply use my profilerc in kubuntu-default-settings... It's just a little config/tweeking file. It's not like if it was a peace of code that could introduces bugs. :/08:31
Tonio_raphink: c moi ou msn est plant avec kopete la ?08:31
raphinktu viens d'tre reco08:31
Tonio_goldenear: because he will be flammed if he does this08:31
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Tonio_goldenear: ubuntu sisn't a one man project and there are rules we have to follow08:32
Tonio_goldenear: what if that, for some reasons, creates a big issue ?08:32
Tonio_goldenear: 2 days before release isn't the moment for this, there are enough critical things he has to fix08:32
goldenearbut in this very specific case rules are stupid!08:32
Tonio_goldenear: rules are defined to fit in the average case08:32
Tonio_goldenear: all rules are stupid in a specific context, but it is generally better to follow them08:33
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Tonio_goldenear: we had big issues tweeking things 2 days before breezy is out, so it sounds logic not to take ANY risk today08:33
goldenearadd this simple file would not kill anybody... but could help many people08:33
Tonio_goldenear: but it goes against the current upload policy08:34
Tonio_goldenear: you know why debian is such a good system ?08:34
Tonio_goldenear: simply because they follow hundreds of those stupid rules ;)08:34
Tonio_goldenear: the global resul is a benefit, although it is certainly stupid in some cases for them too08:35
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uniqdoes no one else have UI font problems with openoffice and the openoffice.org2-kde package installed? When I remove the package the UI fonts are nice, when I install it they are squares.09:05
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Riddelluniq: what locale?09:07
uniqriddell: en_US and nb_NO.. doesn't matter which i choose. i've tried different users too.09:08
uniqfor the record, this is on ppc.09:08
RiddellI'm about to install on ppc09:08
Tonio_raphink: ping ?09:12
Tonio_Riddell: I was discussing with goldenear in private and I must say the result of the current kds is somehow really problematic...09:13
Tonio_Riddell: konqueror is a masterpiece of kubuntu and currently it crashes on almost *all* streaming videos using real09:14
Tonio_Riddell: it is not only audio09:14
Tonio_that means lots of website will crash konq (imdb etc..)09:14
Tonio_that's not "critical", but that's "major" at least09:15
Tonio_Riddell: and if we want to promote konqueror instead of firefox, such a bug on a stable release is unacceptable....09:15
Tonio_Riddell: who may we contact to try to push it a bit to *try* to get an exception concerning this ?09:16
uniqriddell: i got it to work. It didn't like my KDE font settings. Somehow the OpenSymbols font became squares in openoffice.09:17
uniqand so does some other fonts.09:17
Tonio_Riddell: although the freeze is logic, the default webbrowser crashing on any rtsp streaming is not a little issue on a desktop oriented OS....09:18
uniqand the override options in openoffice seems disabled by openoffice.org-kde.09:18
Riddelluniq: openoffice on ppc working for me09:19
RiddellTonio_: then lets fix it in dapper-upgrades09:19
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goldenearRiddell: It can't always be fixed with upgrade09:20
Tonio_Riddell: I agree, but people testing the livecd to decide if they wanna install this will probably see those crash (just an example)09:20
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Tonio_the problem is do we consider this is a minor or major issue09:20
uniqriddell: i got i to work too, opensystems font in kde -> squares in openoffice. I changes my KDE fonts to DejaVu Sans and it works. thanks for testing :)09:21
Tonio_for debian that would be minor, but for kubuntu, due to the desktop orientation, that's major to me...09:21
goldenearAlso any user having changed a setting for a mime type association won't benefit the update... and still have the problem even after updating k-d-s :(09:22
goldenearThis is imho a very good reason to fix the problem now09:23
Riddellgoldenear, Tonio_: ping mdz if you want, but I expect him to say no09:24
Tonio_Riddell: I will just try ;)09:24
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Tonio_Riddell: good luck ;)09:24
Tonio_Riddell: FYI, there has been an update for xubuntu-default-settings today09:33
Tonio_Riddell: and the changelog is ridiculous09:33
Tonio_Riddell: http://pastebin.com/747500 <- icons tweeking....09:34
Tonio_so if that has been accepted... today, our package should, although mdz seems to be currently away09:34
LureTonio_: artwork is always top priority... ;-)09:39
Tonio_Lure: hehe09:39
LureTonio_: but really, I do not expect that mdz will allow CD/DVD rebuild at this point for such change09:39
Tonio_Lure: well he did for xubuntu so......09:40
Tonio_ahhhhhhhhhh xubuntu doesn't have cd/dvd09:40
LureTonio_: CDs are in final testing and only one day left...09:40
LureTonio_: exactly, and is not on shipit as Kubuntu09:41
LureTonio_: I think we should be quick with -updates release and potentially also document how to fix/workaround for unlucky ones that will change mime settings before update is release09:41
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Lure*released09:42
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uniqwhat's the fix for the problem? 09:46
LureTonio_: nice try in #ubuntu-devel, but we are just too late...09:48
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Tonio_Lure: yes :)09:48
Tonio_Lure: xubuntu-default-settings was the good argument, but the shipit process was the final good reason to reject ;)09:49
Tonio_Lure: wait for dapper-updates to test streaming plz ;) you would reject it if you test right now09:49
LureTonio_: streaming is not key feature for me anyhow, I am just used to firefox (and some company web apps do not work with konq)09:50
Lurebut I hate firefox only being polished for GNOME, but not for KDE too... :-(09:51
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goldenearLure: could not firefix be compiled with QT instead of GTK ?11:09
Riddellno11:09
pygigoldenear, may I suggest doing a port? :)11:10
Luregoldenear: no, but issue is already file selection dialog (FF does not have kde intergation comparable to Ooo)11:10
goldenearhttp://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/qtgtk/main.html11:10
goldenearwhat about this ?11:10
goldenearLure ?11:20
Luregoldenear: ?11:20
goldeneardid you check this url ?11:20
Luregoldenear: I have look at it briefly, but I do not know anything about GTK so am not sure what kind of effort would it be to use it11:21
goldenearthat may be used for firefox in egy ?11:21
Luregoldenear: if it would be easy, I am sure somebody would have already done it... ;-)11:22
goldenearit seems to be very trivial11:22
Luregoldenear: and there will still be an issue with how to make this chaneg modular (I am sure ubuntu would not like to have two FF packages shipping)11:23
goldenearLure: there are some many easy things to do in KDE that nobody has already done... ;)11:23
Luretrue11:23
goldenearI've afraid it's difficult to avoid two packages in this case :/11:24
goldenearI'm*11:24
tomagoldenear: what things in kde are easy todo but not yet done?11:27
goldeneara fix for the back button in a new tab in konq11:30
toma?11:30
goldenearToma: when I set konq to open a new tab instead of a new windows, the "back" button is active in the new tab... clicking on it will display an error dialog11:33
tomagoldenear: yes, i've seen that as well...11:33
tomabut if thats on the top of your list, i'm happy  ;-)11:35
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goldeneartoma: on the top of my list there is a acpi suspend function !11:38
goldenearGnome has it11:38
goldenearyou can easily suspsend the computer to disk or to ram11:38
goldenearI can't do that with KDE!11:38
tomaow, i'm no absolutely nothing about acpi apci apm and co11:39
tomaknow11:39
tomai installed it once on a hp laptop with gnome, was not very difficult11:40
Tonio_goldenear: what is the problem with klaptopdaemon ?11:41
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goldenearit doesn't work on a desktop computer :(11:41
Tonio_works on mine11:42
Tonio_and you can eventually try kpowersave as replacement11:42
Tonio_it works wonderfully11:42
goldenearklaptopdaemon complains about my computer not completly supporting acpi and so don't display the little icon in the systray11:43
tomahey klaptopdaemon seens to be installed, let me try11:44
goldenearkpowersave does it, but after suspend my computer never wake up!11:44
Luregoldenear: ubuntu suspend works, but kubuntu does not?11:51
Luregoldenear: what does "sudo pmi  capabilities" retunr?11:52
goldeneargoldenear: ubuntu suspend works, but kubuntu does not? <-- indeed11:52
goldenearLure: hibernate suspend11:53
Luregoldenear: cna you try suspend with command line: "sudo pmi action suspend"11:54
Luregoldenear: this should work as it does in ubuntu - maybe the issue is only klaptopdaemon and its helper 11:54
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goldenearsudo pmi action suspend <-- it works11:57
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tomawow, that really did not work out on my machine. ;-)12:01
Luregoldenear: good, so the problem is only with klaptopd helper12:01
Luregoldenear: can you check SysSettings->Laptop&Power->Laptop Battery->ACPI Config12:02
LureYou should have suspend enabled there...12:03

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