[12:41] <AlinuxOS> does KDE use .fonts.config for its configuration?
[12:42] <AlinuxOS> In gnome I use my own ~/.fonts.config
[12:42] <AlinuxOS> what about KDE ?
[12:42] <OdyX> AlinuxOS: Well.. I think KDE uses its own one.
[12:43] <OdyX> AlinuxOS: With all respect, this is no support chan...
[12:43] <Riddell> KDE uses fontconfig, same as Qt
[12:43] <Riddell> same as GTK
[12:43] <AlinuxOS> I'm making fontconfig for georgian
[12:43] <AlinuxOS> I don't need support
[12:43] <Riddell> it should all be the same
[12:43] <AlinuxOS> just want to know if kde uses .fonts.config :)
[12:43] <AlinuxOS> Riddell, ;)
[12:43] <AlinuxOS> thank you!
[12:44] <AlinuxOS> so there will be great Georgian font support.
[12:44] <OdyX> AlinuxOS: sorry for "agression" then.
[12:44] <AlinuxOS> Riddell, thank you a lot!!:)
[12:44] <AlinuxOS> OdyX, ;)
[12:44] <AlinuxOS> thank you too for respect...rulez are rulez! ;)
[12:45] <OdyX> AlinuxOS: that's it... I could'n't know....
[12:46] <AlinuxOS> ;)
[01:56] <Riddell> ** please test deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ dapper main
[02:44] <bddebian> Hello
[03:10] <nixternal> Riddell: i am applying the updates now for kde-353
[03:20] <Riddell> neoncode: thanks
[03:21] <bddebian> Heya Riddell
[03:22] <Riddell> morning bddebian 
[03:23] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: will kde 3.5.3 be part of kubuntu-updates or will it be optional manually?
[03:29] <neoncode> Riddell: Wha?
[03:29] <nixternal> 3.5.3 installed and running...will test it further
[03:29] <neoncode> Oh, I take it you ment nixternal, Riddell 
[03:30] <nixternal> i didn't even see what Riddell posted..i rebooted
[03:30] <nixternal> Sysinfo for 'cabowabo': Linux 2.6.16-ck11 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: AMDAthlonprocessor at 1400 MHz (2804 bogomips), , RAM: 245/250MB, 103 proc's, 9.2min up
[03:30] <neoncode> [02:20]  <Riddell> neoncode: thanks
[03:30] <nixternal> it is there...up and running
[03:30] <nixternal> from login to desktop even after upgrade was 4 seconds...nice
[03:31] <nixternal> my only gripe is that it replaced my kweather icons...but nothing like copying them over to fix it...nothing big at all
[03:31] <nixternal> took me a whole 5 seconds to fix that
[03:31] <robotgeek> nixternal: however, i don't know how to do it :). so it will take me much longer!
[03:32] <nixternal> it is very easy
[03:32] <nixternal> sudo cp my_transparent_icons /usr/local/share/kweather/
[03:32] <nixternal> that easy ;)
[03:58] <neoncode> Where can you download the kubuntu symbol thing?
[04:00] <nixternal> neoncode: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[04:02] <goldenear> Riddell: IMPORTANT INFORMATION : I've upgraded kubuntu-default-settings a few hours ago... I've juste created a new user accound to see if the mime types associations were ok... but it's not... Kaffeine is still the default player for embedded videos and keep CRASHING Konqueror! Did you get the patch from Tonio ?
[04:03] <goldenear> This is a very serious problem and it had to be fixed before the final release...
[04:05] <goldenear> I hope you'll read my message... I'll be back at noon. If you need my help about this, I'll be there :)
[04:35] <imbrandon> heya Riddell your symlink for kde-latest dosent point to 353 ;)
[04:36] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:36] <imbrandon> heya bddebian ;)
[04:42] <imbrandon> man i cant wait for dapper to get released and edgy repos to open , i'm all like a little kid ancy and waiting .....
[04:45] <bddebian> Heh
[05:00] <hendry> has anyone recently tried Openoffice?
[05:00] <hendry> nothing works
[05:01] <bddebian> Worked for me on Friday
[05:01] <hendry> in fact when i select something from the menu, it freezes my desktop
[05:01] <hendry> i am using amd64
[05:02] <bddebian> Ah, well there's your problem. ;-)
[05:02] <bddebian> Sorry, j/k.  I have only ix86 :-(
[05:19] <freeflying> hendry: OOo can work on i386 and ppc for me 
[05:22] <hendry> freeflying: sigh
[05:28] <hendry> OO is crashing for me under Debian too. when I save as M$ XML doc
[05:29] <freeflying> hendry: maybe OOo wanna you use koffice  :)
[05:30] <hendry> freeflying: koffice isn't the default Ubuntu office. standard office app is openoffice
[05:31] <freeflying> hendry: I see, koffice is lighter than OOo
[05:31] <hendry> lighter is appealing
[05:31] <hendry> it appealed to me too at first
[05:31] <hendry> but as i have more exp with it (and customers). OO is far better for compatibility
[05:32] <freeflying> ya, koffice can not handle M$ office's doc well
[05:33] <hendry> hmm
[05:33] <hendry> in Windows, when I run the same test, it says it requires a JRE
[05:33] <hendry> in Ubuntu it just crashes
[05:33] <hendry> ok, OO bug time
[12:11] <fabo> Riddell: what do i need to do if i want kvpnc 0.8.5.1 in dapper ? uvf exception request ?
[12:11] <Hobbsee> hi all
[12:11] <fabo> hi Hobbsee 
[12:12] <Hobbsee> fabo: what's the changelog?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> only bug fixes, or new features?
[12:13] <fabo> only bug fixes
[12:14] <Hobbsee> yeah, it'd either not happen at all, or need a UVF request
[12:15] <fabo> ok
[12:16] <Hobbsee> fabo: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-February/000545.html
[12:23] <Riddell> fabo: you'd need to sacrifice some lambs to sabdfl
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:27] <Hobbsee> i thought it may have gotten to that stage :P
[12:28] <fabo> :)
[12:29] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you try ke 3.5.3?
[12:29] <Riddell> kde
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is it out yet???
[12:29] <imbrandon> yup 
[12:29] <imbrandon> Sysinfo for 'voyager': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.93GHz at 2934 MHz (5871 bogomips), HD: 53/147GB, RAM: 770/1002MB, 121 proc's, 3.9h up
[12:30] <imbrandon> been running it about 6 hours now
[12:30] <imbrandon> or so
[12:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sssh
[12:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but do test it please
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, where is it?  *whispers*
[12:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: any problems?
[12:31] <Riddell> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/ dapper main
[12:31] <Hobbsee> gotcha
[12:31] <imbrandon> none at all, infact fixed a few little "issues" from before like amarok not starting clean etc
[12:32] <imbrandon> btw latest armarok i think too
[12:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: did you find it got rid of double icons on the system tray?
[12:32] <imbrandon> yup yup exactly
[12:32] <Riddell> that seems like a regretion
[12:33] <imbrandon> yea othern than the official dapper i use .....
[12:33] <imbrandon> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-latest dapper main
[12:33] <imbrandon> #deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main
[12:33] <imbrandon> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353 dapper main
[12:33] <imbrandon> yea and the adept updater dosent dissapear anymore either
[12:34] <imbrandon> *icon*
[12:34] <seaLne> imbrandon: something held back?
[12:35] <imbrandon> yea seaLne but before it would randomly dissapear on me 3.5.2 even when there was updates, couldent reporduce it regularly so i dident file a report
[12:35] <Hobbsee_> die Hobbsee die!
[12:35] <imbrandon> heh
[12:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:35] <Hobbsee> wasnt going to download a large amount over the wireless...
[12:36] <imbrandon> ahh
[12:36] <seaLne> arggh anasthetic wearing off, just had tooth removed :(
[12:36] <Hobbsee> not if i wanted to test it before dinner...
[12:36] <imbrandon> i need to debug my wireless, freakin ndiswrapper hardlocks my comp when i ifup wlan0 ;)
[12:36] <imbrandon> only with this card though so i know its a driver issue
[12:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what card?
[12:37] <imbrandon> been stringing a cat5 cable accross the house the last week or so till i get it figured out
[12:37] <Hobbsee> mine sometimes locks when i remove the car
[12:37] <Hobbsee> d
[12:37] <imbrandon> realtek 8185
[12:38] <imbrandon> its a pci wireless card in a desktop comp
[12:38] <Hobbsee> what chipset, and can you use another driver for it?
[12:39] <imbrandon> infact they have linux drivers on their site too that you can compile and run but i get the same thing, thats why i said its a driver issue, i'm going to dualboot with suse later today and see if its a ubuntu thing or just crappy drivers
[12:39] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[12:39] <imbrandon> realtek chipset
[12:40] <imbrandon> but whatever it is it does it in dapper and breezy so i'm assumeing it will do it in suse too but i've got a few hundred gigs of space to waste so i'lll try it anyhow just to rule it out
[12:40] <imbrandon> heheh
[12:41] <imbrandon> yea nixternal told me Riddell said something about it , and i was like wtf its not linked to kde-latest ? heh
[12:41] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, nah i've rebooted a few times and been running it "in use" the last few hours and seems realy solid
[12:42] <Hobbsee> oh good :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> bah.  do people proofread their documents at all?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: an FYI:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu/UpgradeProblems
[12:43] <Hobbsee> er, a FYI
[12:44] <imbrandon> yea i've always said adept is the devil ;) we need a qt synaptic clone ;)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: can i have a preliminary whinge?
[01:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> the icons are in one row, instead of 2 - it was much more economical for screenspace to have 2 rows of icons, like we did in 3.5.2
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.15-23-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4791 bogomips), , RAM: 771/993MB, 99 proc's, 1.12h up
[01:09] <Hobbsee> good
[01:10] <Riddell> I entirely agree
[01:10] <pygi> kwwii, poke :)
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how does one go about changing it?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hehe!
[01:10] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no idea
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmm...seems to be dependant on the width of the kicker...anything >48 pixels, and it goes to two rows
[01:10] <imbrandon> hmm i guess i dident notice becouse my kicker is resized and always shows one row
[01:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how do you fit all the windows on the kicker that way?
[01:12] <Riddell> if I set it to 48 it works
[01:12] <Riddell> but not Normal
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, same here.  wonder why the default wasnt set that way
[01:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i only have about 4 or 5 windows per desktop open at a time
[01:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah okay.  and any icons...
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ahh...is T - 3 the days till release?
[01:13] <kwwii> pygi: hi
[01:13] <Hobbsee> kwwii: does k-d-s set the width of the kicker?
[01:13] <pygi> kwwii, hey, what are you upto? :)
[01:13] <Hobbsee> er, height?
[01:13] <kwwii> pygi: in portugal working on oxygen
[01:13] <imbrandon> i hope not ;) 
[01:13] <kwwii> Hobbsee: don't think so
[01:14] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[01:14] <pygi> kwwii, nice, any thought on things I sent you yesterday?
[01:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no shouldn't do
[01:14] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, what do you mean icons, here is my current screen http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/kde353.png
[01:14] <Hobbsee> wonder where it's set then...
[01:15] <imbrandon> heh
[01:15] <Hobbsee> ah yeah - i tend to have a few icons on the side, like konsole and firefox as well...
[01:16] <kwwii> it seems that at the "normal" panel size the dock icons get cut off at the bottom
[01:16] <Hobbsee> hmmm...no dishes
[01:17] <Hobbsee> well, no interest in them, anyway
[01:20] <kwwii> lol, ksvn installs but has no package dependency on subversion itself
[01:21] <Hobbsee> kwwii: fix it?  :P
[01:21] <Hobbsee> guess it's kinda late for that 
[01:22] <kwwii> yeah, well esvn works :-)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: was there anything in particular that you wanted us to test for?
[01:24] <Riddell> just that it works
[01:24] <Riddell> I can copy it to the KDE servers if it does
[01:24] <Hobbsee> i could have sworn i got that from you last time...
[01:25] <Hobbsee> it seems to work okay - havent had any crashes
[01:27] <Riddell> perfect
[01:27] <Hobbsee> and smoke.  cant forget the smoke.
[01:28] <Riddell> too late
[01:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:28] <Hobbsee> good thing i was joking then :P
[01:29] <Hobbsee> i'm so glad we get these things, before the rest of the world
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this feels rather like breezy.  want to try your luck again?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> okay, dishes are *now* occuring
[01:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:37] <imbrandon> heh
[01:50] <mornfall> imbrandon: feel free to write the clone
[01:50] <imbrandon> clone ?
[01:51] <imbrandon> ohh the adept , nah i would honestly be better of contrib to adept if i had the time/skills ( i hate it when there are 50 apps that do the same thing )
[01:51] <imbrandon> off*
[01:53] <imbrandon> that and there is a kynaptic but its old/outdated from what i've seen
[01:53] <mornfall> you could obviously fix kynaptic aswell
[01:54] <imbrandon> probbly if i had the time/skills yes ;)
[01:54] <imbrandon> but that would also just add to the *more apps to do the same job* type thing when adept is opensource why not help if/when i can ;)
[01:55] <mornfall> well, the problem is that it seems you can't 
[01:55] <imbrandon> all in all it was said in jest, i say the same thing about firefox, konq, etc etc etc ;) please dont take me to heart
[01:56] <imbrandon> mornfall, you are probbly more than correct ;)
[01:57] <mornfall> okey
[02:13] <Lure> Riddell: looks like breezy->dapper upgrade is causing kdm crash due to corrupted/missing ~/.face.icon
[02:13] <Lure> see bug 37529, 47142 and 47455
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37529 in kdebase "kdm crash due to corrupted ~/.face.icon file" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37529
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47142 in kdebase "have to boot twice to start kdm" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47142
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47455 in kdebase "KDM detected memory corruption" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47455
[02:14] <Riddell> what would .face.icon be?
[02:16] <kwwii> whoever picked nano as the default editor should just use windows
[02:16] <kwwii> it SUCKS!
[02:16] <Hobbsee> nooooo!
[02:16] <pygi> kwwii, not all know how to use Vi/m
[02:17] <kwwii> so how in the hell do I use it with svn
[02:17] <kwwii> it always asks me the filename I want to save something to
[02:18] <kwwii> crap.tmp
[02:18] <Riddell> just agree with what it gives you
[02:18] <Lure> Riddell: I think it is the icon presented on login (we do not use it) and set in SysSettings-> User Account
[02:20] <Lure> kwwii: just add "export EDITOR=vi" to your ~/.bash_profile as I did...
[02:20] <Lure> Riddell: is 3.5.3 planned for -updates?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> or sudo update-alternatives --config-editor or something
[02:21] <Riddell> Lure: I don't know, maybe
[02:21] <Riddell> I'd need to make decent packages first
[02:21] <Lure> Riddell: I have just seen that they plan to have GNOME minor release in -updates....
[02:22] <Lure> Riddell: your test packages are quite decent typically... ;-)
[02:23] <Hobbsee> urgh, someone in #kubuntu 's already found out about the kde 3.5.3 packages..
[02:24] <kwwii> Lure: I use zsh, but yeah, I already changed it
[02:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: they are lurking here I suppose... ;-)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> Lure, apparently they found it thru konstruct
[02:26] <Riddell> that means they compile it themselves
[02:26] <Hobbsee> silly people :P
[02:26] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[02:55] <goldenear> Hi
[02:55] <goldenear> Riddell: did you get my message ?
[02:55] <Riddell> yes
[02:55] <Riddell> I uploaded the changes tonio sent me, if they don't work it's too late
[02:56] <goldenear> Riddell: the problem is that the changes don't seem to have been applied
[02:58] <goldenear> The upgraded profilerc is almost the same as the old one... only a few lines about x-mplayer2 have been added at the end of the file
[02:58] <goldenear> It seems that the patch we worked on with Tonio has not been applied
[02:59] <Riddell> hmm, maybe I uploaded an older version
[02:59] <goldenear> I guess
[03:00] <goldenear> could you paste me the tonio patch (or the resultant patched file) on pastebin
[03:01] <goldenear> I would like to check it
[03:01] <OdyX> !!!!!!!!!!!! <!--- My DVD cannot have DMA again !-------------> !!!!!!!!
[03:01] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kds.diff
[03:11] <Lure> hi raphink - all nice for you on the coast?
[03:12] <raphink> hi Lure
[03:12] <raphink> would be nicer if I had internet at home
[03:12] <raphink> so I could help here
[03:12] <raphink> :(
[03:12] <raphink> apart from that it's ok
[03:12] <raphink> sun shining, water is hot enough
[03:14] <Lure> raphink: cool - it is rainy over here :-(
[03:15] <raphink> it has been a bit windy since yesterday
[03:17] <Lure> raphink: good for sailing... ;-)
[03:17] <raphink> a bit too much
[03:17] <raphink> for sailing
[03:17] <raphink> and I don't have a sail yet
[03:17] <raphink> but a fisherman I know said he can easily find me a staff to sail with
[03:35] <raphink> thinks
[03:35] <OdyX> Yop raphink....
[03:35] <raphink> yop toi mme :)
[03:35] <OdyX> I meant... It's probably "the" gael"
[03:36] <raphink> mhm
[03:38] <Riddell> claydoh: yes
[03:38] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:39] <claydoh> thought so, wonder how ulteo is coming along....
[03:41] <pygi> claydoh, coming along well :)
[03:46] <claydoh> cool
[03:46] <goldenear> Riddell: The modifications in the patch are correct... but I can't understand what's the original file to be patched... doesn't seem to be the same original profilerc than I :(
[03:47] <abattoir> hello everyone :) 
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir 
[03:47] <abattoir> Riddell: very busy i assume :) 
[03:48] <abattoir> hello hobbsee
[03:50] <pygi> hey abattoir :P
[03:51] <abattoir> hi pygi ;) 
[03:51] <goldenear> hello abattoir
[03:51] <abattoir> hello goldenear
[03:51] <Hobbsee> abattoir: it was you, who told me about the kopete devices patch, wasnt it?
[03:52] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i dont think so...
[03:52] <abattoir> when was this?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> abattoir: a few months ago
[03:52] <Hobbsee> someone did...their nick started with a...or maybe b...
[03:52] <goldenear> Whois is the maitainer of the kubuntu-default-settings package ?
[03:52] <goldenear> Riddell I assume
[03:52] <Hobbsee> goldenear: kwwii, i guess.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> or is that tonio?
[03:53] <abattoir> Hobbsee: not sure, you mean the video devices?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> abattoir: yeah, how it'd crash when you hit configure, devices
[03:53] <Riddell> goldenear: me
[03:53] <Hobbsee> oh, i was wrong on both counts :P
[03:53] <Riddell> although tonio has done much of the work recently
[03:53] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i really dont think it was me :P 
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hmmmm okay...
[03:53] <Hobbsee> oh well
[03:54] <abattoir> Riddell: i have a couple of questions about my spec... or should i wait after dapper comes out? ;) 
[03:54] <abattoir> Riddell: soc :P 
[03:55] <Riddell> abattoir: ask away
[03:56] <abattoir> Riddell: 1. i first have to port the glade to QT, then i can work on a better interface right? should i talk about this with Kamion before finishing the spec? or are you guys to busy w/ dapper for that now?
[03:57] <pygi> abattoir, ergh, glade to QT? Don't we have QT Designer?
[03:58] <abattoir> pygi: yes... does it automatically convert glade to .UI ? :S ;)
[03:58] <pygi> abattoir, no, but you could implement that function
[03:58] <goldenear> Riddell: ok. so I don't understand what happens with the Tonio's patch...
[03:58] <imbrandon> abattoir, yes , well semi automatic, needs tweaking afterwords
[03:58] <abattoir> pygi: i though each student had to write a spec for their app
[03:58] <pygi> abattoir, indeed :)
[03:58] <abattoir> *thought
[03:59] <pygi> abattoir, yes, they do :)
[03:59] <Riddell> abattoir: if you have user interface improvements you should probably spec them before starting on any code
[03:59] <goldenear> Riddell: Where could I download the *actual* profilerc file (the one included in the latest kubuntu-default-settings package) ?
[04:00] <goldenear> I'd only need a few minutes to make a clean patch for it
[04:00] <imbrandon> abattoir,  pygi, down twords the bottom talks about importing glade files to qt designer http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/designer-manual-9.html
[04:01] <Riddell> goldenear: apt-get source k-d-s
[04:01] <abattoir> Riddell: ok.... and 2. I also proposed a tool for OEMs to configure among other things, the details which are asked of the user(after i finish working on the OEM Inst.) should i include it in the spec or wait till i finish this first?
[04:02] <Lure> goldenear: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc?
[04:02] <Riddell> abattoir: sounds like a fair thing to include in the spec
[04:02] <abattoir> ok, Riddell, pygi, imbrandon, thanks a lot :) 
[04:02] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll post the link here when i'm done
[04:02] <Riddell> abattoir: but I'd keep the improvements separate from the "just porting" part so it's easy for reviews to see which paragraphs are which
[04:03] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, so for now(during porting) i dont need to discuss w/ Kamion right?
[04:04] <abattoir> Riddell: I mean about where the Ubuntu OEM installer is going, his plans for it.
[04:04] <jeroenvrp> _Sime: are you there
[04:04] <Riddell> abattoir: do point him towards the spec
[04:05] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, thanks
[04:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm... kde 3.5.3 doenst seem to like firefox too much...my version of firefox, nayway.
[04:25] <Lure> Riddell: first crash of Kontact 3.5.3 - on empty trash (Disconnected IMAP)
[04:25] <Lure> Riddell: where should I report backtrace?
[04:25] <Lure> Hobbsee: what do you mean "doesn't like"?
[04:26] <Riddell> bugs.kde.org
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: didnt seem to want to render pages the first time...on multiple sites
[04:26] <freeflying|away> Riddell: kde-3.5.3's system tray change to one line?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> i'ts likely to be my system though...
[04:26] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: set the height to be 48, it goes back to 2 lines...
[04:26] <Lure> Hobbsee: it is working fine for me (my main browser)
[04:26] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: thx
[04:26] <Hobbsee> Lure: mozilla binaries, or repo version?
[04:27] <Lure> Hobbsee: repo + some extensions
[04:27] <Hobbsee> thought so
[04:28] <Riddell> freeflying|away: yes, and apparantly the 3.5.2 behaviour was a bug
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: darn it!  was a nice bug!
[04:28] <Riddell> I know
[04:29] <freeflying|away> two line looks more nice than one line 
[04:29] <Riddell> I guess we just up the default kicker height in edgy by a pixel or two
[04:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: much more economical use of screenspace, too...
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hmm..now the room shouldnt be spinning slightly, or shifting, should it?
[04:30] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: :)
[04:31] <imbrandon> not unless you have some good lsd Hobbsee
[04:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:32] <freeflying|away> my kicker haven't crashed for about 8 hrs in kde-3.5.3
[04:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if this feels like what taking lsd's like, i cant see why anyone would take it more than once...
[04:33] <imbrandon> heh
[04:33] <Hobbsee> gets kinda hard to move around if the walls keep moving, you know :P
[04:33] <imbrandon> hungover ?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> no, i dont drink
[04:34] <imbrandon> ahh maybe you should if the walls are moving , j/k
[04:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[04:38] <Hobbsee> night all...
[04:41] <OdyX> night Hobbsee
[04:43] <bddebian> Gnight Hobbsee
[04:44] <Lure> Riddell: done - kde bug 128319
[04:44] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 128319 in general "kmail crash on empty trash (disconnected imap)" [Crash,Unconfirmed]  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128319
[04:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dream on, it got cut too close in breezy, i dont think Riddell wants to risk it again...
[04:45] <Hobbsee> oh okay, never mind.
[04:46] <imbrandon> [07:20]  <Lure> Riddell: is 3.5.3 planned for -updates?
[04:46] <imbrandon> [07:21]  <Hobbsee> or sudo update-alternatives --config-editor or something
[04:46] <imbrandon> [07:21]  <Riddell> Lure: I don't know, maybe
[04:46] <imbrandon> [07:21]  <Riddell> I'd need to make decent packages first
[04:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> mmm, okay...
[06:01] <goldenear> Riddell: you can find my modified profilerc file and the corresponding .diff (for patch the prodilerc file from the actual source)
[06:02] <goldenear> Riddell: also I've found that kmplayer_part.desktop would also need some modifications
[06:03] <goldenear> How is the maintainer of the kmplayer package ? (and kpart_kmplayer)
[06:04] <Riddell> Koos is quite responsive
[06:06] <goldenear> Koos ?
[06:06] <Riddell> koos vriezen <koos.vriezen@gmail.com>
[06:14] <goldenear> Riddell: I have also made a patch for kmplayer_part.desktop (and kmplayer.desktop that have to be keep in sync for mimetypes)
[06:14] <goldenear> Riddell: do I have to send the patch to him or also to you ?
[06:22] <Riddell> goldenear: if it's an upstream bug send it to Koos
[06:25] <goldenear> Riddell: but it will be to late for dapper, isn't it ?
[06:25] <Riddell> yes
[06:25] <goldenear> :(
[06:26] <goldenear> Riddell: no fixes can be commited any more ?
[06:29] <Riddell> we should be able to do small fixes in dapper-updates after release
[07:17] <toma> eeps
[07:17] <Riddell> is that a good eep?
[07:17] <toma> yes it is
[07:18] <toma> made a lot of money today, so i'm happy
 we should be able to do small fixes in dapper-updates after release <-- but at least the profilerc file must be ok on the Dapper CD... if not, any user created before updating will have konqueror crashing with embedded video!
[07:37] <Riddell> that's not a release critical problem
[07:37] <Riddell> and it's better than it wasn breezy
[07:38] <Riddell> and the installer will update from dapper-updates during install
[07:38] <goldenear> isn't crahing a critical problem ???
[07:38] <Riddell> not release critical no
[07:39] <toma> i hope i can print soon
[07:40] <goldenear> Riddell: could you just take the profilerc file (or the .diff) from http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu
[07:41] <Riddell> that's quite a diff
[07:41] <goldenear> Just fix kubuntu-default-settings with that... no more crash (for each new user) after this :)
[07:43] <goldenear> Riddell: yes, I've set the correct mime types for many formats
[07:43] <Riddell> can you get tonio to review it?
[07:43] <goldenear> I hope he will be on irc tonight
[07:45] <goldenear> Riddell: also you can get two modified files: kmplayer.desktop and kmplayer_part.desktop
[07:45] <goldenear> I've update the mimes types is these files too
[07:45] <Riddell> send those to koos
[07:46] <goldenear> this will make kmplayer_part manage any embedded format :)
[07:47] <Riddell> have you checked it an manage all those formats?
[07:50] <goldenear> sure
[07:50] <goldenear>  <Riddell> send those to koos <-- done
[07:51] <Riddell> let me know what he says
[07:51] <bddebian> Can anyone with main rights look at a patch for kscd?  Bug #37963
[07:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37963 in kscd "[patch]  song title partially hidden" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37963
[07:51] <bddebian> Only if time permits of course, I know everyone is busy
[07:52] <goldenear> Riddell: kmplayer could already manage all those formats... I've just added some missing corresponding mime types
[07:53] <goldenear> This is not a big work... but at least it makes things working correctly :)
[07:53] <goldenear> no more crash!
[07:54] <goldenear> Riddell: is koos often on this IRC channel ?
[07:56] <uniq> hum.. anyone else got oo.o UI font problems? or is it just me? 
[07:56] <Riddell> no
[07:56] <Riddell> uniq: occationally
[07:56] <goldenear> :/
[07:56] <uniq> i have all squares here..
[07:57] <Riddell> ok, not that bad
[07:58] <goldenear> hi Tonio_ !!!
[07:58] <Tonio_> hey
[07:58] <goldenear> you're here at the good moment :D
[07:59] <Tonio_> ah ?
[07:59] <goldenear> I've redone a new patch for profilerc
[08:00] <goldenear> could you check it ... http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu
[08:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think we should discuss this in paris june with kde devs invited
[08:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: the number of complains and bug reports concerning this kio is simply stupid...
[08:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: ervin will be there
[08:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: very nice ;)
[08:00] <Tonio_> I'm preparing a little list of common issues reported to have good arguments
[08:01] <Tonio_> goldenear: the changes concerning the audio extensions ?
[08:01] <Tonio_> goldenear: I already submitted them to Riddell but they haven't been accepted...
[08:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume it was to late for this no ?
[08:02] <Riddell> it is now
[08:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: was it 2 days ago when you uploaded latest version ?
[08:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a bit weird since audio files are still managed with kaffeine...
[08:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: I seem to have uploaded an old version
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh !
[08:04] <Riddell> yeah, I know, sorry
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: is it really too late now ?
[08:04] <Riddell> yes
[08:04] <goldenear> oh no !!!
[08:04] <Riddell> but we can probably get it in dapper-updates
[08:04] <bddebian> Yeah, go Tonio_ go :-)
[08:04] <Tonio_> that's a good argument to try coredev...
[08:05] <raphink> go go go
[08:05] <goldenear> Riddell: why is it too late ?
[08:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes good, that will do the job since it will close bugs ;)
[08:05] <Riddell> goldenear: uploads are closed except for "wipes your hard disk" type bugs
[08:05] <crimsun> goldenear: release is thursday...
[08:05] <Tonio_> goldenear: 2 days before release means only critical bugfixes can go in
[08:05] <goldenear> Riddell: can't you just add my profilerc file to the package ?
[08:06] <Tonio_> btw it is raphink's fault ;)
[08:06] <Riddell> put it in post release updates https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseRadar
[08:06] <goldenear> but konqueror crash is a critical bug ...
[08:06] <raphink> Tonio_: huh?
[08:06] <raphink> what is my fault?
[08:06] <raphink> goldenear: no it's not
[08:06] <raphink> it's a normal bug
[08:06] <raphink> it's critical for konqueror on the KDE BTs
[08:07] <raphink> it's normal for the konqueror package for Ubuntu
[08:07] <Tonio_> raphink: well, you two only can upload and as I can't blame Riddell, I blame you ;)
[08:07] <Tonio_> sounds logic ;)
[08:07] <raphink> not the same level 
[08:07] <Tonio_> raphink: kiddin' of course ;)
[08:07] <raphink> Tonio_: pay me an internet connection right now in my new house :p
[08:07] <raphink> then I'm there all the time to help 
[08:07] <Tonio_> bddebian: I will try, at least, in one or two month probably
[08:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: you can blame me, that's what I'm here for
[08:08] <OdyX> Riddell: exact... :D
[08:08] <OdyX> +l
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: with 1500 things to do in a day, no I can't ;)
[08:08] <Tonio_> I should have tried coredev before
[08:08] <toma> bddebian: i can confirm the problem in kscd and lowering the font to 8 makes it fit beautiful. Did not test the patch itself but it seems straightforward.
[08:08] <Tonio_> so I will blame myself
[08:08] <bddebian> Tonio_: Well I put my name on the list, thought I don't know why :-)
[08:08] <bddebian> s/thought/though/
[08:08] <bddebian> Thanks toma
[08:09] <Tonio_> goldenear: we will try to get it in dapper-updates in one or two weeks
[08:09] <goldenear> but it won't work !
[08:09] <Tonio_> goldenear: that's not *that* horrible :)
[08:09] <Tonio_> goldenear: sure it will
[08:09] <Tonio_> goldenear: it is okay concerning the video, not the audio
[08:10] <goldenear> I mean it will only fix the problem for newly created users (after the dapper update)
[08:10] <Tonio_> goldenear: in fact, afaics Riddell uploaded your patch and not mine, but your patch was nice with the video part
[08:10] <Tonio_> goldenear: that is by far the most important
[08:11] <Tonio_> goldenear: no it won't as long as user don't tweek settings
[08:11] <Tonio_> if they just let it work, they will not write an overwritting profilerc file in their profile
[08:11] <Tonio_> goldenear: and beleave me, most users don't change this ;)
[08:12] <goldenear> Tonio_: i'm made the test... /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/profilerc is only used for new users
[08:12] <Tonio_> goldenear: NO
[08:12] <Tonio_> goldenear: I know kds by heart, and I can bet my girlfriend on this :)
[08:12] <Tonio_> goldenear: settings are read in that order :
[08:12] <goldenear> ... I've still have a girlfriend ... but why not :D
[08:12] <goldenear> lol
[08:13] <Tonio_> ~/.kde/share -> kds folder -> /usr/share
[08:13] <Tonio_> and config files are merged in that order
[08:13] <Tonio_> with that priority
[08:14] <Tonio_> so if a setting isn't changed by the user, the config will be kds -> /usr/share
[08:14] <Tonio_> raphink: when will you get internet access at home ?
[08:15] <raphink> no idea
[08:15] <raphink> je dois avoir ma premire facture EDF d'abord
[08:15] <raphink> pour demander l'ouverture du compte Free
[08:16] <raphink> Tonio_: l pour une fois j'aimerais bien la recevoir rapidement la facture
[08:24] <Tonio_> raphink: hehe, je comprends bien ma couille ;)
[08:25] <raphink> ;)
[08:25] <Tonio_> raphink: tu es pas sur nice ?
 so if a setting isn't changed by the user, the config will be kds -> /usr/share <-- You're right, I've done the test and it works *if the user doesn't change settings*
[08:25] <Tonio_> parceque je crois que nice est une plateforme de test pour pas mal de technos internet/telephone
[08:25] <raphink> Tonio_: je suis  Vallauris
[08:25] <raphink> 20km de Nice
[08:25] <Tonio_> raphink: merdoum.....
[08:25] <raphink> petit village ;)
[08:26] <Tonio_> goldenear: most users won't
[08:26] <raphink> mais bon c'est la banlieue de Nice
[08:26] <Tonio_> goldenear: and that still makes an interesting point to perform for edgy
[08:26] <Tonio_> goldenear: dapper should be perfect to prepare the future ;)
[08:27] <Tonio_> raphink: tu devrais te renseigner si y a pas un truc local chez toi
[08:27] <Tonio_> genre wimax ou autre en test
[08:27] <raphink> Tonio_: j'ai pas de wifi sur ma machine
[08:27] <goldenear> Tonio_: I hope so... but I'm pretty sure we will still have many bug reports about it during the nextweeks :(
[08:27] <Tonio_> je sais que nice a t la premire ville ou on a test internet par le cable par exemple
[08:27] <raphink> sinon je tenterais de capter les voisins
[08:27] <Tonio_> goldenear: of course, that's logic
[08:28] <Tonio_> raphink: si tu trouves un rseau wep, tu me dis, je suis docteur S crackage de wepkey :)
[08:28] <raphink> Tonio_: haha
[08:28] <Tonio_> raphink: tu peux pter tous les wep que tu crackes en une heure montre en main et avec une main dans le dos en plus :)
[08:29] <raphink> wow :)
[08:29] <Tonio_> raphink: renseigne toi sur le packet aircrack :)
[08:29] <raphink> ok
[08:29] <Tonio_> raphink: il est dans universe
[08:30] <raphink> oki
[08:31] <goldenear> Tonio_: I just can't understand why Riddell could not simply use my profilerc in kubuntu-default-settings... It's just a little config/tweeking file. It's not like if it was a peace of code that could introduces bugs. :/
[08:31] <Tonio_> raphink: c moi ou msn est plant avec kopete la ?
[08:31] <raphink> tu viens d'tre reco
[08:31] <Tonio_> goldenear: because he will be flammed if he does this
[08:32] <Tonio_> goldenear: ubuntu sisn't a one man project and there are rules we have to follow
[08:32] <Tonio_> goldenear: what if that, for some reasons, creates a big issue ?
[08:32] <Tonio_> goldenear: 2 days before release isn't the moment for this, there are enough critical things he has to fix
[08:32] <goldenear> but in this very specific case rules are stupid!
[08:32] <Tonio_> goldenear: rules are defined to fit in the average case
[08:33] <Tonio_> goldenear: all rules are stupid in a specific context, but it is generally better to follow them
[08:33] <Tonio_> goldenear: we had big issues tweeking things 2 days before breezy is out, so it sounds logic not to take ANY risk today
[08:33] <goldenear> add this simple file would not kill anybody... but could help many people
[08:34] <Tonio_> goldenear: but it goes against the current upload policy
[08:34] <Tonio_> goldenear: you know why debian is such a good system ?
[08:34] <Tonio_> goldenear: simply because they follow hundreds of those stupid rules ;)
[08:35] <Tonio_> goldenear: the global resul is a benefit, although it is certainly stupid in some cases for them too
[09:05] <uniq> does no one else have UI font problems with openoffice and the openoffice.org2-kde package installed? When I remove the package the UI fonts are nice, when I install it they are squares.
[09:07] <Riddell> uniq: what locale?
[09:08] <uniq> riddell: en_US and nb_NO.. doesn't matter which i choose. i've tried different users too.
[09:08] <uniq> for the record, this is on ppc.
[09:08] <Riddell> I'm about to install on ppc
[09:12] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[09:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was discussing with goldenear in private and I must say the result of the current kds is somehow really problematic...
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: konqueror is a masterpiece of kubuntu and currently it crashes on almost *all* streaming videos using real
[09:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not only audio
[09:14] <Tonio_> that means lots of website will crash konq (imdb etc..)
[09:15] <Tonio_> that's not "critical", but that's "major" at least
[09:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: and if we want to promote konqueror instead of firefox, such a bug on a stable release is unacceptable....
[09:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: who may we contact to try to push it a bit to *try* to get an exception concerning this ?
[09:17] <uniq> riddell: i got it to work. It didn't like my KDE font settings. Somehow the OpenSymbols font became squares in openoffice.
[09:17] <uniq> and so does some other fonts.
[09:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: although the freeze is logic, the default webbrowser crashing on any rtsp streaming is not a little issue on a desktop oriented OS....
[09:18] <uniq> and the override options in openoffice seems disabled by openoffice.org-kde.
[09:19] <Riddell> uniq: openoffice on ppc working for me
[09:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: then lets fix it in dapper-upgrades
[09:20] <goldenear> Riddell: It can't always be fixed with upgrade
[09:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree, but people testing the livecd to decide if they wanna install this will probably see those crash (just an example)
[09:20] <Tonio_> the problem is do we consider this is a minor or major issue
[09:21] <uniq> riddell: i got i to work too, opensystems font in kde -> squares in openoffice. I changes my KDE fonts to DejaVu Sans and it works. thanks for testing :)
[09:21] <Tonio_> for debian that would be minor, but for kubuntu, due to the desktop orientation, that's major to me...
[09:22] <goldenear> Also any user having changed a setting for a mime type association won't benefit the update... and still have the problem even after updating k-d-s :(
[09:23] <goldenear> This is imho a very good reason to fix the problem now
[09:24] <Riddell> goldenear, Tonio_: ping mdz if you want, but I expect him to say no
[09:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will just try ;)
[09:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: good luck ;)
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: FYI, there has been an update for xubuntu-default-settings today
[09:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: and the changelog is ridiculous
[09:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/747500 <- icons tweeking....
[09:34] <Tonio_> so if that has been accepted... today, our package should, although mdz seems to be currently away
[09:39] <Lure> Tonio_: artwork is always top priority... ;-)
[09:39] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[09:39] <Lure> Tonio_: but really, I do not expect that mdz will allow CD/DVD rebuild at this point for such change
[09:40] <Tonio_> Lure: well he did for xubuntu so......
[09:40] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhh xubuntu doesn't have cd/dvd
[09:40] <Lure> Tonio_: CDs are in final testing and only one day left...
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly, and is not on shipit as Kubuntu
[09:41] <Lure> Tonio_: I think we should be quick with -updates release and potentially also document how to fix/workaround for unlucky ones that will change mime settings before update is release
[09:42] <Lure> *released
[09:46] <uniq> what's the fix for the problem? 
[09:48] <Lure> Tonio_: nice try in #ubuntu-devel, but we are just too late...
[09:48] <Tonio_> Lure: yes :)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: xubuntu-default-settings was the good argument, but the shipit process was the final good reason to reject ;)
[09:49] <Tonio_> Lure: wait for dapper-updates to test streaming plz ;) you would reject it if you test right now
[09:50] <Lure> Tonio_: streaming is not key feature for me anyhow, I am just used to firefox (and some company web apps do not work with konq)
[09:51] <Lure> but I hate firefox only being polished for GNOME, but not for KDE too... :-(
[11:09] <goldenear> Lure: could not firefix be compiled with QT instead of GTK ?
[11:09] <Riddell> no
[11:10] <pygi> goldenear, may I suggest doing a port? :)
[11:10] <Lure> goldenear: no, but issue is already file selection dialog (FF does not have kde intergation comparable to Ooo)
[11:10] <goldenear> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/qtgtk/main.html
[11:10] <goldenear> what about this ?
[11:20] <goldenear> Lure ?
[11:20] <Lure> goldenear: ?
[11:20] <goldenear> did you check this url ?
[11:21] <Lure> goldenear: I have look at it briefly, but I do not know anything about GTK so am not sure what kind of effort would it be to use it
[11:21] <goldenear> that may be used for firefox in egy ?
[11:22] <Lure> goldenear: if it would be easy, I am sure somebody would have already done it... ;-)
[11:22] <goldenear> it seems to be very trivial
[11:23] <Lure> goldenear: and there will still be an issue with how to make this chaneg modular (I am sure ubuntu would not like to have two FF packages shipping)
[11:23] <goldenear> Lure: there are some many easy things to do in KDE that nobody has already done... ;)
[11:23] <Lure> true
[11:24] <goldenear> I've afraid it's difficult to avoid two packages in this case :/
[11:24] <goldenear> I'm*
[11:27] <toma> goldenear: what things in kde are easy todo but not yet done?
[11:30] <goldenear> a fix for the back button in a new tab in konq
[11:30] <toma> ?
[11:33] <goldenear> Toma: when I set konq to open a new tab instead of a new windows, the "back" button is active in the new tab... clicking on it will display an error dialog
[11:33] <toma> goldenear: yes, i've seen that as well...
[11:35] <toma> but if thats on the top of your list, i'm happy  ;-)
[11:38] <goldenear> toma: on the top of my list there is a acpi suspend function !
[11:38] <goldenear> Gnome has it
[11:38] <goldenear> you can easily suspsend the computer to disk or to ram
[11:38] <goldenear> I can't do that with KDE!
[11:39] <toma> ow, i'm no absolutely nothing about acpi apci apm and co
[11:39] <toma> know
[11:40] <toma> i installed it once on a hp laptop with gnome, was not very difficult
[11:41] <Tonio_> goldenear: what is the problem with klaptopdaemon ?
[11:41] <goldenear> it doesn't work on a desktop computer :(
[11:42] <Tonio_> works on mine
[11:42] <Tonio_> and you can eventually try kpowersave as replacement
[11:42] <Tonio_> it works wonderfully
[11:43] <goldenear> klaptopdaemon complains about my computer not completly supporting acpi and so don't display the little icon in the systray
[11:44] <toma> hey klaptopdaemon seens to be installed, let me try
[11:44] <goldenear> kpowersave does it, but after suspend my computer never wake up!
[11:51] <Lure> goldenear: ubuntu suspend works, but kubuntu does not?
[11:52] <Lure> goldenear: what does "sudo pmi  capabilities" retunr?
[11:52] <goldenear> goldenear: ubuntu suspend works, but kubuntu does not? <-- indeed
[11:53] <goldenear> Lure: hibernate suspend
[11:54] <Lure> goldenear: cna you try suspend with command line: "sudo pmi action suspend"
[11:54] <Lure> goldenear: this should work as it does in ubuntu - maybe the issue is only klaptopdaemon and its helper 
[11:57] <goldenear> sudo pmi action suspend <-- it works
[12:01] <toma> wow, that really did not work out on my machine. ;-)
[12:01] <Lure> goldenear: good, so the problem is only with klaptopd helper
[12:02] <Lure> goldenear: can you check SysSettings->Laptop&Power->Laptop Battery->ACPI Config
[12:03] <Lure> You should have suspend enabled there...