[02:00] <troy_s> who lives?
[02:23] <troy_s> not a good sign
[02:47] <bersace> troy_s: wep
[02:47] <bersace> here it's 02:47 am
[02:49] <troy_s> wep?
[02:49] <troy_s> ahh... yes i understand now.  hell its only 5:49 here
[02:49] <troy_s> you going to paris bersace?
[02:49] <bersace> i live in paris
[02:55] <troy_s> the meeting
[02:55] <troy_s> you going to be there then?
[03:01] <bersace> yep
[03:01] <bersace> tomorow, i have an oral exam
[03:01] <bersace> so i'm quite busy
[03:01] <bersace> the last for this year
[03:17] <troy_s> good.  i'll see you there then.
[03:24] <bersace> troy_s: where do you live ?
[03:24] <troy_s> Canada, vancouver
[03:27] <bersace> troy_s: and you come in Paris soon ?
[03:37] <troy_s> indeed.
[03:37] <troy_s> 19th
[03:43] <troy_s> i think i am there from the 19th to the 24th
[04:07] <bersace> troy_s: for the Ubuntu conf ?
[04:12] <troy_s> bersace:  yes.
[04:12] <bersace> nice :)
[04:17] <newz2000> So where is the proper place to propose radical new ideas for edgy?
[04:18] <bersace> Drafts
[04:18] <bersace> ArtworkTeam/Drafts
[04:18] <newz2000> ah. Got it
[04:18] <bersace> We may want to create a /Proposals category
[04:18] <newz2000> I'm overwhelmed by the amount of information on that page. ;-)
[04:18] <bersace> lol
[04:19] <bersace> newz2000: create a subpage of Drafts 
[04:19] <newz2000> Do you think xgl/compiz will be ready for mainstream by mid-fall?
[04:20] <newz2000> I love the idea and ahve been waiting for 3d since looking glass came out,
[04:20] <newz2000> but I have to admit, the current state isn't ready yet
[04:21] <bersace> newz2000: compiz/aiglx (aka xorg 7.1) maybe
[04:21] <newz2000> oh, is that getting rolled into xorg?
[04:21] <bersace> that is already
[04:22] <newz2000> I wonder what opportunities that will provide for the art-team. I would love to see some sweet looking eye candy.
[04:22] <newz2000> As silly as it sounds, I think it attracts more people than it repels
[04:22] <bersace> do not forget that xglx is a Xgl server is on top of Xorg where Xegl is a real standalone Xgl server that use fb and other well designed piece of software
[04:22] <bersace> Xegl is to Xorg what Hurd is to Linux
[04:22] <bersace> so good night 
[04:23] <bersace> its 4h22 am here :)
[04:23] <newz2000> ok, g'night. Thanks for the pointer.
[04:23] <bersace> ++
[04:23] <troy_s> Newz:  Don't expect much
[04:23] <newz2000> really?
[04:23] <troy_s> covering the basics
[04:23] <troy_s> is tough enough
[04:23] <troy_s> it is quite a massive endeavor
[04:23] <troy_s> the artwork in ubuntu is across a thousand packages
[04:23] <troy_s> with all sorts of dependencies on gtk
[04:23] <troy_s> metacity
[04:23] <troy_s> etc.
[04:23] <newz2000> Have you tried it out yet?
[04:24] <troy_s> i know, yes...
[04:24] <newz2000> The current stuff doesn't look quite right
[04:24] <troy_s> if you want to try something very simple
[04:24] <troy_s> try to turn your own system into the type you want
[04:24] <newz2000> and I think people will be experimenting with it seriously when dapper hits the 'shelves'
[04:24] <troy_s> and then you will see what is involved.
[04:24] <newz2000> I can tell it will be involved
[04:25] <troy_s> oh its huge
[04:25] <troy_s> and coordination in a community driven thing makes it very tough... you need to be democratic and such.
[04:25] <newz2000> Still, I can't help but think that 3d will change everything
[04:25] <newz2000> I'd love for Ubuntu to be on the cutting edge
[04:25] <troy_s> and when you start tying up already thin resources, you are looking at quite a deal.
[04:26] <troy_s> cutting edge makes for lots of bleeding.
[04:26] <newz2000> That's edgy though
[04:26] <troy_s> anyways... throw a draft in
[04:26] <troy_s> and see if it sticks...
[04:26] <newz2000> Yeah, I will. It can't hurt to open the floor for discussion.
[04:26] <newz2000> I think. :-)
[04:26] <troy_s> all you can do is document and record and then at least people can look at things
[04:26] <troy_s> yep.
[04:27] <troy_s> i would say that edgy for artwork is going to be largely about conservative motion trying to abstract a good underlying foundation structure.
[04:27] <troy_s> but that is just a guess.
[05:25] <dinda> troy_s do you have a link to the paris meeting info?
[05:38] <troy_s> uh i wish
[05:38] <troy_s> laf.
[05:39] <troy_s> The two art related guys who I know for certain are going to attend know nothing thus far.
[05:50] <dinda> I found the original announcement in one of the mailing list archives but not seen anything since
[05:50] <dinda> do you recall the dates for certain?
[05:50] <Madpilot> check the wiki?
[05:51] <dinda> wiki search turns up nothing
[05:51] <dinda> at least a search for paris. . . 
[05:51] <dinda> nothing in events yet either
[05:53] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[05:54] <dinda> yeah - thanks!
[06:04] <dinda> thanks again, g'nite all
[06:05] <Madpilot> "wiki search turns up nothing" - sorry, but I don't think he searched at all...
[06:48] <troy_s> 19-24
[06:48] <troy_s> pretty sure about that part :)
[10:39] <msikma> Hi all
[10:42] <msikma> At work right now.
[11:53] <lapo> hi
[12:14] <msikma> Hi lapo.
[01:21] <bersace> hi
[02:16] <msikma> Hi bersace.
[02:16] <bersace> msikma: ping
[04:02] <klepas> moin