[01:38] <Cashel> I cant seem to find lndir in any packages... am I missing it or is it realy not to be found??
[01:38] <azeem> it used to be in xutils IIRC
[01:38] <Cashel> xutils? interesting place for it, I'll try it out... thank you..
[01:39] <azeem> Cashel: well, it did not survive the modular split
[01:41] <Cashel> so I just found out, hehe.. Too bad, its rather handy for those of us who compile a lot for recreation :)
[01:41] <azeem> Cashel: there's a wishlist bug in Debian about putting it into coreutils
[01:41] <azeem> probably needs a rewrite first, though, I guess
[01:42] <Cashel> ahhh .. thats a good memory you have there azeem heh..
[01:44] <azeem> well, I can't find the bug anymore
[01:45] <crimsun> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=301030
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 301030 in xutils "Subject: can we move lndir to coreutils or debianutils?" [Wishlist,Open] 
[01:46] <azeem> yeah
[02:16] <DarkMageZ> hi, could you sync gwget2 with debian? it should remove this bug which is critical to that app working #45182
[02:16] <crimsun> -updates material
[02:19] <DarkMageZ> or apply the patch from upstreams bugzilla? i think they'd get really annoyed if someone created another bug report on their bugzilla about our out of date little package...
[02:20] <crimsun> they're going to have to deal with it. We release on Thursday; it's Tuesday already.
[02:20] <crimsun> Again, -updates material.
[02:25] <DarkMageZ> hmm, can't find anything on the wiki that explains what you mean by -updates material
[02:27] <crimsun> that means we'll punt into into dapper-updates
[02:27] <crimsun> punt it into, rather
[02:28] <DarkMageZ> ah, that makes sence
[02:32] <crimsun> DarkMageZ: have you verified that this patch (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=59420&action=view) is all that's necessary for it to not crash there?
[02:33] <DarkMageZ> not personally, but the developer of gwget believe's it works
[02:34] <crimsun> can you verify, please?
[02:34] <DarkMageZ> yeah, starting up testbox now
[02:44] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:45] <bddebian> Heya zul
[02:45] <zul> hey bddebian
[02:51] <crimsun> anyone else planning to upload universe/multiverse fixes tonight?
[02:52] <bddebian> I should do something but I'm dog arse tired :-(
[02:52] <bddebian> Hiya crimsun btw :-)
[02:53] <LaserJock> crimsun: unfortunately maxima seems a little too intwined with gcl to get it to build easily
[02:53] <crimsun> 'lo bddebian
[02:53] <crimsun> LaserJock: ok, -updates, then
[02:53] <bddebian> Maxima is b0rked :-)
[03:04] <crimsun> DarkMageZ: please test http://sh.nu/~crimsun/gwget2/gwget_0.96-1ubuntu2~1NOTUPLOADED_i386.deb
[03:04] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:04] <Toadstool> 'morning
[03:04] <Toadstool> :)
[03:04] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:07] <Se7h> hi
[03:07] <bddebian> Hello Se7h
[03:07] <Se7h> hi bddebian
[03:08] <Se7h> btw im having this error updating ntp
[03:08] <Se7h> are the motus aware of that already?
[03:08] <ajmitch> btw this is the wrong place to report bugs
[03:08] <ajmitch> especially bugs that aren't for universe
[03:08] <crimsun> ntp is a main package, and if it's the error I think was fixed in the last upload...
[03:09] <Se7h> "invoke-rc.d: initscript ntp-server, action "stop" failed."
[03:09] <Se7h> sorry ajmitch
[03:09] <crimsun> Se7h: yes, that was fixed already.  ``apt-cache policy ntp-server''
[03:09] <Se7h> oh ok crimsun
[03:10] <crimsun> Candidate: 1:4.2.0a+stable-8.1ubuntu6  <-- fixed.
[03:21] <DarkMageZ> crimsun, yup, that package works nicely
[03:24] <crimsun> DarkMageZ: ok, thanks. We'll roll it in dapper-updates (likely) unless mdz approves it for dapper (unlikely).
[03:26] <LaserJock> hehe, crimsun's talking about -updates and I'm still doing UVFes :-)
[03:27] <crimsun> LaserJock: I'm thinking about my own sanity :-)
[03:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:27] <crimsun> after what I went through last release with vlc, no way I'm pressing updates in this late.
[03:28] <bddebian> heh
[03:28] <ajmitch> and people *still* file bugs on vlc whining...
[03:28] <ajmitch> I'm scared
[03:28] <bddebian> I guess crimsun didn't fix it then?
[03:28] <ajmitch> lewing said he had 23 patches for f-spot that he was going to send to me
[03:30] <ajmitch> crimsun: it's now time for you to go off & drink until release is a distant memory?
[03:37] <bddebian> heh
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya bmonty
[03:44] <bmonty> hi bddebian
[03:44] <bddebian> LaserJock: Filing UVF's for pybiblio...?
[03:44] <bmonty> anyone see why the packages user-es and user-de should remain in the archive?
[03:44] <bmonty> they look obsolete to me and block removal of other obsolete packages
[03:44] <LaserJock> bddebian: well, working on it. Somebody actually filed it for my lazy butt
[03:44] <bddebian> Heh
[03:45] <bddebian> I was going to but I didn't want to offend :-)
[03:45] <LaserJock> well, this weekend packaging project kicked my butt
[03:45] <bddebian> Did you get it?
[03:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: why is that?
[03:46] <LaserJock> I think it worked
[03:46] <LaserJock> well figuring out debconf took me quite a while
[03:46] <LaserJock> I'm a little slow :/
[03:46] <bmonty> LaserJock: yeah, debconf is fun :)
[03:46] <ajmitch> well it's a good thing they asked a real developer & not one of us ;)
[03:47] <LaserJock> lol
[03:47] <LaserJock> they asked the real developers all ready
[03:47] <bddebian> Doh
[03:47] <LaserJock> I actually had my first conference call today to talk about it
[03:47] <ajmitch> right
[03:47] <LaserJock> really weird
[03:47] <bmonty> LaserJock: what are you packaging?
[03:48] <LaserJock> but the company is RHEL only so they aren't really knowlegeble about .deb packaging
[03:49] <LaserJock> bmonty: it's a proprietary app
[03:50] <bddebian> Later ajmitch
[03:50] <bmonty> LaserJock: fun
[03:50] <LaserJock> bmonty: they are giving Ubuntu the right to distribute, really weird
[03:51] <LaserJock> I guess it's good in a way, but it makes packaging a bit harder. I didn't get any source
[03:51] <bmonty> well at least you don't have to worry about the config and compile steps :)
[03:51] <bmonty> or build-deps
[03:52] <LaserJock> bmonty: yeah, but they have some weirdnesses because the binaries are made to work on a variety of systems
[03:55] <LaserJock> I woke up this morning and said, "Thank God for Open Source Software"
[03:57] <bmonty> wierd, I do that every morning also :)
[03:58] <LaserJock> well, honestly I haven't really been into the OSS stuff very much, I just love linux
[03:59] <bmonty> LaserJock: I know the feeling...I could never afford to buy most of the software that I can get for Linux so I get to play around with a lot of stuff I wouldn't get to otherwise
[04:00] <bmonty> I can decide I want to learn about some new technology and go search for what is available in the OSS world which is very cool
[04:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[04:03] <bmonty> ...and my wife has taken a liking to dapper, so the last windows box in my house is about to go away
[04:03] <LaserJock> oh nice
[04:04] <bmonty> hmm, should my Xbox count?  That won't go away :)
[04:05] <bddebian> SACRILEDGE! :_)
[04:05] <LaserJock> bmonty: you can't but Ubuntu on your Xbox?
[04:06] <LaserJock> I know a few theoreticaly chemistry groups use clustered xbox's for calculations
[04:07] <bmonty> LaserJock: I could put ubuntu on the Xbox, but then I couldn't play Halo 2
[04:07] <LaserJock> good point
[04:07] <LaserJock> but I don't really play games anymore, to much Ubuntu work to do :-)
[04:33] <LaserJock> ajmitch: annoyed?
[04:39] <imbrandon> bmonty, do what i do, i have linux running on all my xboxes ;)
[04:39] <imbrandon> ( and yes they still play xbox games )
[04:42] <ajmitch> LaserJock: uni stuff
[04:45] <bmonty> imbrandon: hows Xbox Live working for you
[04:46] <imbrandon> i use xkali or xbconnect
[04:46] <imbrandon> most dashboards have xkali built in
[04:46] <imbrandon> like xbmc
[04:46] <bmonty> imbrandon: that isn't XBox Live
[04:47] <imbrandon> no its not, true , but its a close experince, xblive dosent work ( ms bans moded xboxs )
[04:47] <bmonty> bddebian: I was looking at some of your notes on gq, that software is very broken and no maintainer
[04:48] <bmonty> hopefully ajmitch's SoC project will allow us to drop it :)
[04:49] <bddebian> bmonty: Aye :-)
[04:51] <bmonty> bddebian: I did get TLS and SASL to work, but I had to mess with it a lot
[08:25] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:03] <dholbach> good morning motu world
[09:05] <Hobbsee> hi dholbach
[09:05] <dholbach> heya Hobbsee
[09:05] <neutrinomass> (good morning dholbach) .desktops with Categories=Science; don't show up in the menus unless "Application'" is also in categories, yet "application" isn't a valid fd.org category :-/
[09:06] <neutrinomass> Should I file this against gnome-panel ?
[09:06] <dholbach> neutrinomass: I have no idea, maybe gnome-menus?
[09:06] <neutrinomass> dholbach: Yeah... (I keep forgetting that package ... )
[09:39] <crimsun> DarkMageZ: fix uploaded, thanks for testing and confirming. (bug 45182)
[09:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45182 in gwget2 "gwget is broken in Dapper" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45182
[10:01] <imbrandon> wb dholbach
[10:02] <dholbach> thanks imbrandon
[10:07] <crimsun> nice work, MOTU, on Dapper!
[10:33] <\sh> moins
[10:35] <dholbach> sivang: topic
[01:14] <pelele> Hi
[01:15] <pelele> I am eraser a DVDRW from terminal, but i cant, this teach me This drive or media does not support the 'BLANK media' command
[01:16] <pelele> if anyone knows something
[01:35] <zul> heylo
[01:37] <Hobbsee> hi zul
[01:37] <zul> hey Hobbsee how is it going?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> good - assignmenting.  i'm thinking i should set my computer assignment on fire.
[01:42] <zul> burn baby burn....
[01:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:43] <Hobbsee> i wish.
[01:46] <tseng> hi
[02:51] <phanatic> hi people
[02:52] <phanatic> heya Hobbsee_
[02:52] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic
[02:52] <phanatic> :)
[03:10] <phanatic> hello raphink
[03:10] <raphink> hi phanatic
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:38] <Se7h> hi
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[03:40] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[04:14] <hub> LOL. I was reading sabdfl blog on planet.ubuntu
[04:14] <hub> he exactly got what I think will happen to me
[04:15] <zul> is there a meeting today?
[04:18] <dholbach> zul: I doubt it.
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya zul, dholbach
[04:18] <dholbach> hey bddebian
[04:23] <bddebian> zul: ?
[04:23] <bddebian> zul: And you aren't sharing? ;-)
[04:24] <zul> heh...no i been trying to get spam assain to work all morning
[04:41] <einsteinmg> hi all
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: give them the lecture for me please.  nalioth isnt around, and i'm far too tired....
[04:44] <bddebian> Hello einsteinmg
[04:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, just crash. i'll try and remember to pull up the logs when it breaks
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Kamping_Kaiser: and i really couldnt be bothered trying to fix it in a few months, when they try to upgrade...
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <Hobbsee> splat!
[04:44] <einsteinmg> just received a mail, that a few of my packages made the way into dapper/universe :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> einsteinmg: yay!
[04:46] <einsteinmg> could you please send me the patches you made against my package?
[04:47] <einsteinmg> there are 2 build fixes and i didn't receive a mail, could also be the case that i miss it (in this case sorry)
[04:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee, go to bed, its only wednesday am. you have more AMs to go this week ;)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> hehe...dont remind me...
[05:44] <Spec> What's landscape?
[07:40] <thierryn> LaserJock : could you come to ubuntu-meeting to talk about me (I helped a bit with .desktop files stuff)
[07:40] <thierryn> LaserJock : I'm trying to become a community member
[07:40] <LaserJock> when is it?
[07:40] <bddebian> There is a CC meeting?
[07:40] <thierryn> LaserJock : now
[07:40] <thierryn> bddebian : yes in #ubuntu-meeting
[07:41] <bddebian> Uhm, it's awfully quiet :-)
[07:43] <LaserJock> dude, is anybody there?
[07:44] <LaserJock> thierryn: what is your wiki page URL?
[07:46] <LaserJock> nvm, I found it
[07:51] <LaserJock> thierryn: congrats!
[07:51] <thierryn> LaserJock : thanks , you helped a lot!
[07:51] <LaserJock> I hope so, you deserve it
[07:51] <LaserJock> you've been around for some time
[07:52] <bddebian> Yeah thierryn.  Welcome.
[07:57] <thierryn> bddebian : yeah sorry you helped too, thanks :)
[07:57] <bddebian> Heh, NP
[07:57] <thierryn> what is the time normally to get the approval?
[07:58] <LaserJock> thierryn: hmm?
[07:58] <Tonio_> hey
[07:59] <thierryn> LaserJock : well I went to the webpage Kamion told me and it says I'm waiting for approval...
[08:01] <thierryn> LaserJock : never mind, got it
[09:43] <LaserJock> are uploads to Universe frozen?
[09:44] <crimsun> yes and no
[09:44] <crimsun> no -> you can upload, but you'll have to wait on infinity to manually run the publisher
[09:45] <crimsun> yes -> infinity is very busy with testing
[09:45] <crimsun> so for all practical purposes, I'd would abide by the following guideline:
[09:46] <crimsun> if the change isn't trivial (a couple lines) /and/ doesn't fix a showstopper, queue it for -updates
[09:48] <LaserJock> ok, I just uploaded a 1 line fixer, I didn't realize we were that close :/
[09:54] <crimsun> you'll need to ping infinity to process it, then.
[09:57] <LaserJock> crimsun: thanks
[10:03] <cbx33> anyone here know about teh testing matrix on the wiki
[10:03] <cbx33> I just tested the install CD for edubuntu using the use freespace option but it's not on the matrix
[10:03] <cbx33> should I add it, or have I just wasted an hour
[10:04] <dholbach> cbx33: ask sfllaw on #ubuntu-devel and/or ogra
[10:04] <dholbach> cbx33: and thanks for testing!
[10:05] <cbx33> dholbach, np
[10:06] <cbx33> dholbach, I'm trying to get 4 possibly 5 installs done tonight
[10:06] <dholbach> cbx33: you rock
[10:06] <dholbach> thanks for that
[10:06] <cbx33> np
[10:07] <cbx33> we don;t get that many testers fro edubuntu
[10:07] <cbx33> howz it all going your end?
[10:08] <dholbach> did quite a bunch of installations already
[10:08] <dholbach> looking good
[10:08] <cbx33> excellent
[10:08] <ogra> dholbach, yeah he rocks, he'll get the "Dr.Hc Edubuntu" title
[10:08] <cbx33> thanks ogra  :D
[10:08] <cbx33> y'all rock too now ya hear me :p
[10:09] <dholbach> :-)))
[10:09] <ogra> :D
[10:18] <LaserJock> face it guys (an Hobbsee) we all rock! ;-)
[10:22] <cbx33> hehe well yup we do
[10:24] <LaserJock> except his typos will shrink it back down a bit ;-)
[10:31] <Spec> wait, there was a CC meeting today?
[10:38] <cbx33> LaserJock, :p
[10:45] <LaserJock> Spec: yes
[10:46] <Spec> so, how does one get notified of a CC meeting? ;p
[10:47] <Spec> it's not ever mentioned on ubuntu-motu-request
[10:51] <LaserJock> umm fridge.ubuntu.com
[11:28] <crimsun> It's a good time to close off universe/multiverse for good.
[11:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: why?
[11:30] <LaserJock> before we do anymore breaking, I mean fixing ;-)
[11:30] <crimsun> yes, and I honestly don't think we can find that many more such fixes
[11:31] <crimsun> plus infinity/keybuk are frazzled already
[11:32] <LaserJock> yeah, watching -devel make me glad I'm not a core-dev or on the release team
[11:33] <LaserJock> hehe, I wonder what would happen if somebody joined -devel an said "I Dapper out yet?" ;-)
[11:33] <LaserJock> *IS
[11:39] <bddebian> LaserJock: Try it! :)
[11:39] <LaserJock> heck no
[11:39] <LaserJock> I want to make it back from Paris alive :-)
[11:40] <bddebian> Bah
[11:41] <LaserJock> bddebian: you try it, according to you they already hate you ;-)