[12:42] <thom_> is there an auto login option for a selected user?
[12:42] <LaserJock> I believe so
[12:43] <LaserJock> System->Administration->Login Window
[12:44] <LaserJock> it's under the Security tab
[12:45] <thom_> found it thanks
[12:53] <ogra> mdke, he's cbx33 if he's here
[12:54] <mdke> ogra: guess not
[12:54] <mdke> I just found a bunch of LTSP documentation which wasn't tagged as documentation, looks like he has been working on it a lot
[12:56] <ogra> he moved it all into one place recently
[12:56] <ogra> but there is a lot incomplete
[12:57] <mdke> yeah, it looks well structured, although there are some pages still hanging loose
[12:57] <mdke> anyway, I tagged it all
[02:12] <NewToIRC> hello, anybody out there 
[02:13] <NewToIRC> hmmm 
[02:20] <HedgeMage> I'm here
[02:20] <LaserJock> me too :/
[02:20] <HedgeMage> darn it, missed him/her
[03:26] <bddebian> Hello
[03:33] <ogra> heya
[03:37] <bddebian> Hi ogra
[04:50] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[04:52] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[04:53] <bddebian> Hello Lord_Athur
[04:53] <Lord_Athur> I had ubuntu breezy installed, but I installed on the computer edubuntu-desktop
[04:54] <bddebian> OK
[04:54] <Lord_Athur> now i want to upgrade to drapper, but the internet network works very slowly, with windwos it does everything quickly, what can this be?
[04:56] <Lord_Athur> bddebian, any idea?+
[04:56] <bddebian> Same DNS servers?
[04:56] <bddebian> Is it slow on all Internet activity or just with Ubuntu sites?
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> :) ubuntu sities
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> :P
[04:58] <LaserJock> well, there are a lot of people downloading .iso files an doing upgrades
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> but ubuntu always works fast
[04:58] <bddebian> Well they are probably a little busy right now with everyone pulling data/packages to test with :-)
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> thanks to all
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> maybe that's why
[04:58] <Lord_Athur> :P
[04:58] <LaserJock> Lord_Athur: are you using the main Ubuntu mirror or a local one
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> the main
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> well I put the sources list from the ubuntu page, so i think it's the main
[04:59] <LaserJock> you might try a closer mirror then and see if that is faster
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> thanks, ti's a good idea
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> *it's
[05:24] <Lord_Athur> I'll go the bed :P
[05:49] <RobNyc_C> hello 
[05:49] <RobNyc_C> how can I install edubuntu from the ubuntu livecd ?
[05:49] <bimberi> RobNyc_C: is it a dapper livecd?
[05:49] <RobNyc_C> yes
[05:49] <RobNyc_C> the latest 1
[05:50] <Burgundavia> RobNyc_C, I don't think so
[05:50] <bimberi> ok, you can do the install and once that's done install the edubuntu-desktop package from the internet
[05:50] <RobNyc_C> alright 
[05:50] <RobNyc_C> i thought so, cuz distrowatch only provided 1 iso for download and i guess i was gonna be able to install either edu, ubu or xubu
[05:51] <Burgundavia> RobNyc_C, where did distrowatch do that?>
[05:51] <bimberi> RobNyc_C: hmmk - there are isos for edubuntu though
[05:52] <RobNyc_C> http://distrowatch.com/3463
[05:53] <RobNyc_C> now i see where it says for other editions
[05:53] <Burgundavia> hmm, foolish on DW part
[05:54] <Burgundavia> that was three announcements they crammed into one
[05:54] <RobNyc_C> lol
[05:54] <Burgundavia> Ubuntu is very clear about not offering that kind of choice in the installer
[05:54] <RobNyc_C> well being ubuntu the main 1 thats why
[07:35] <jsgotangco> mehh
[07:36] <ogra> moo
[07:36] <jsgotangco> ogra: embassy is giving me a hard time :/
[07:37] <ogra> meh
[07:39] <jsgotangco> :/
[07:40] <jsgotangco> "we would like to have the french economic office in manila to send a recommendation letter of your business travel"
[07:40] <jsgotangco> gee a 5 day trip
[07:40] <ogra> phew
[07:43] <ogra> bah
[07:44] <jsgotangco> how's development?
[07:44] <ogra> i tested all install CD arches
[07:45] <jsgotangco> meh i forgot i have to get travel insurance for 30,000
[07:45] <ogra> we had a rebuild that just finished and i have just done i386 live ... burning amd64
[07:45] <jsgotangco> when i get back home later i'll rsync
[08:18] <jsgotangco> JaneW: ping?
[08:19] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi
[08:20] <jsgotangco> JaneW: are you still handling paris or already turning over work?
[08:20] <JaneW> jsgotangco: clan is doing it now
[08:20] <JaneW> clan = the new claire
[08:20] <jsgotangco> newman?
[08:20] <jsgotangco> neuman or whatever
[08:20] <JaneW> I was negotiating with silbs to go for some of the event but it was getting complicated so I am not going at all :/
[08:21] <JaneW> Newman
[08:21] <jsgotangco> ok then i sent the email to the right person
[08:21] <JaneW> 	Claire Newman <claire.newman@canonical.com>
[08:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW: french embassy is asking me a lot of stuff
[08:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: like?
[08:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW: thanks i already got to talk to her a few weeks ago
[08:21] <JaneW> we had trouble with the australian embassy
[08:21] <jsgotangco> "we would like to have the french economic office in manila to send a recommendation letter of your business travel"
[08:22] <JaneW> eventually mark had to intervene
[08:22] <JaneW> contact cvd
[08:22] <jsgotangco> ok
[08:22] <jsgotangco> thanks
[08:22] <JaneW> by now she should have a standard letter explaining that Canonical does exisit and does invite people to work events etc
[08:23] <jsgotangco> is cvd online?
[08:23] <jsgotangco> althoug i did email clan already but yeah i'll try contacting agian
[08:23] <bimberi> australian embassy? trouble? surely not :)
[08:25] <jsgotangco> yeah i went into australia in a breeze
[08:25] <jsgotangco> without even appearing personally
[08:26] <jsgotangco> eekkk coffee house net access is expensive (almost out of credits here)
[08:35] <ajayc> sankarshan, u india?
[08:42] <sankarshan> ajayc: yes
[08:43] <ajayc> sankarshan, where in india?
[08:43] <sankarshan> well i see you are flooding some other channel too
[08:43] <ajayc> yeah
[08:44] <ajayc> bcos that channel is for flooding :)
[09:19] <highvoltage> ogra: hi there
[09:19] <highvoltage> ogra: how are you?
[09:19] <ogra> *yawn* hey
[09:19] <ogra> tired
[09:19] <highvoltage> heh. up early hey?
[09:20] <ogra> but not done yet
[09:20] <ogra> nope, didnt sleep yet
[09:20] <highvoltage> geez!
[09:21] <highvoltage> how is edubuntu doing? things coming together?
[09:21] <ogra> yup, its fine
[09:21] <ogra> 20060530.2 install was fine on all arches, 20060531 live as well
[09:22] <bimberi> NZ is too thin
[09:22] <ogra> to sad we have the 31 image, so i need to completely re-test install (even the change was minor enough to be worth just waving it through)
[09:22] <bimberi> ;P
[09:24] <bimberi> ogra: on all arch's?
[09:25] <ogra> yes, six install flavors per arch
[09:25] <ogra> 3 arches
[09:26] <ogra> but first i'm finishing up the 12 dvd installs
[09:28] <bimberi> wow - i bet you're answering install questions without looking by now
[09:28] <ogra> which questions ? :P
[09:28] <bimberi> lol
[09:28] <ogra> i know how to type my name now :)
[09:29] <ogra> the rest is only hitting the enter key ...
[09:31] <highvoltage> heh.
[09:38] <cbx33> ogra: it's ok it wasn't a bug
[09:38] <cbx33> it was oem mode
[09:39] <cbx33> mornin all :p
[09:51] <cbx33> ogra: any reason why all my testing results were wiped form the matrix?
[09:52] <ogra> becausee sfllaw wants only the results for the most recent build, i had to beg already to keep the ones from tonights image
[09:53] <cbx33> but my were from last nights images
[09:53] <cbx33> i tested 30.2
[09:53] <cbx33> do we need to test 31 now?
[09:53] <ogra> not fro .2
[09:53] <ogra> yes
[09:53] <cbx33> bugger me
[09:54] <cbx33> alll that work
[09:54] <cbx33> did you want me to test 31?
[09:54] <cbx33> i was just about to report that the expert install I tested worked fine
[09:54] <ogra> i'm already done with the liveCDs
[09:54] <cbx33> nice
[09:55] <cbx33> do we have ppc now?
[09:55] <ogra> yep mine were fine as well
[09:55] <ogra> including ltsp
[09:55] <cbx33> wicked
[09:55] <cbx33> well I only have 1 machine available to me
[09:55] <cbx33> but i can install a VM on that if you need me to test an i386
[09:56] <cbx33> tell canonical to get me a mac for next time :p
[09:56] <cbx33> and a 64 bits machine
[09:56] <ogra> indeed, every additional tes would help
[09:56] <cbx33> then i can test em all :p
[09:56] <cbx33> ogra: any in particualr you want...or do ya just want me to ....go nuts
[09:56] <cbx33> pygi: good morning
[09:57] <cbx33> I'm starting on the cookbook stuff now
[09:57] <ogra> the gaps in the matrix need filling ;)
[09:57] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[09:57] <ogra> i didnt do autoresize tests for example
[09:58] <cbx33> ok
[09:58] <cbx33> I'll do those
[09:59] <cbx33> do you need amd 64 live?
[10:00] <ogra> all i can get ...
[10:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: *wave* from across the garden
[10:02] <cbx33> is there a meeting today?
[10:02] <cbx33> *cough*
[10:03] <pygi> JaneW, hey :)
[10:03] <ogra> only without me
[10:03] <pygi> mentors can be changed/assigned now, so you can those 3 mentorless 
[10:03] <pygi> thanks :)
[10:04] <JaneW> pygi: yay
[10:05] <JaneW> cbx33: I think so, but a brief one
[10:05] <pygi> JaneW, you need to read how tho on the list (summer-admins I would say)
[10:05] <JaneW> cbx33: shall we do the same as last week?
[10:05] <cbx33> ogra: if i misconfigure xorg during an install
[10:05] <JaneW> pygi: will do
[10:05] <cbx33> JaneW: sounds good to me
[10:05] <cbx33> ie miss off 1024x768 when i really want it
[10:05] <cbx33> how can i get it back
[10:05] <cbx33> I've edited xorg.conf and added it to all bit depths
[10:06] <cbx33> but I really need it to be able to do cookbook stuff
[10:06] <cbx33> any clues
[10:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: *waveback*
[10:08] <JaneW> :)
[10:08] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[10:08] <cbx33> were those screenshots of use to you
[10:09] <highvoltage> cbx33: i havnen't extracted them yet. the tarball is in my downloads/inbox folder
[10:09] <cbx33> hehe
[10:09] <cbx33> it's ok just wondering I was so glad i found my backup
[10:09] <highvoltage> today seems like it will be a bit more peaceful than the last week or so
[10:10] <cbx33> yup
[10:10] <highvoltage> ooh, yeah some nice screens there
[10:10] <cbx33> ;)
[10:14] <jimjimovich2> hello all
[10:14] <jimjimovich2> i just want to say that i'm really looking forward to the final release of Edubunt dapper
[10:14] <jimjimovich2> we're going to switch all our student computers to Edubuntu in June.  Just hoping all goes well.  Got a new server just waiting for the install CD :)
[10:15] <JaneW> jimjimovich2: cool
[10:15] <JaneW> jimjimovich2: have you placed your pre-order yet?
[10:15] <jimjimovich2> we're planning to do a blog every day of the project and post what we learned.  we hope it will be useful for the community
[10:16] <jimjimovich2> we pre-ordered, yes.  but will probably need to download because we must finish the project in June
[10:16] <jimjimovich2> We're in Russia, so I think it will take a long time to get the CDs by mail
[10:18] <highvoltage> ogra: we have on old screenshot in gettingstarted.html in edubuntu-docs
[10:19] <highvoltage> ogra: it still says 'Install a server' for the one option, but i suppose we can live with that?
[10:20] <highvoltage> ogra: nice modifications, btw, I'm quite satisfied with the docs we have with edubuntu this time, major improvement over last time :)
[10:20] <JaneW> jimjimovich2: ah yes and it can take up to 8 weeks after the release for pre-orders to be delivered
[10:21] <JaneW> jimjimovich2: there is usually a HUGE backlog
[10:21] <ogra> cbx33, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just use the defaults, except for the resolution
[10:21] <ogra> highvoltage, dapper-updates ;)
[10:21] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[10:21] <jimjimovich2> JaneW: It's OK. We'll probably use the shipped CDs to give to other universities and schools
[10:21] <cbx33> highvoltage: do you want a new screenshot
[10:22] <cbx33> I'm just about to do an edubuntu install
[10:22] <JaneW> jimjimovich2: good to hear! :)
[10:22] <highvoltage> cbx33: we have a new screenshot, it's just too late to change the package now
[10:22] <cbx33> ah ok
[10:22] <cbx33> swat ti thought
[10:30] <cbx33> brb
[10:50] <noodleman> hey can anyone give me some tech help?
[10:51] <Burgundavia> noodleman: what sort?
[10:52] <pygi> Burgundavia, how's the boat going? :)
[10:52] <Burgundavia> pygi: boat?
[10:52] <pygi> well, the safety boat :)
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ah, haven't talked to anselmo is a day or so
[10:53] <pygi> nice :)
[10:58] <noodleman> hey
[10:58] <noodleman> I've messed up the window manager
[10:58] <noodleman> i can only get a command prompt
[11:01] <cbx33> pygi: sections can you expand a little on the security section of chap 2
[11:02] <cbx33> how lower level are we going with the cookbook
[11:02] <cbx33> limits.conf is a fairly advanced feature
[11:03] <cbx33> I'll document it if you want.
[11:03] <cbx33> also, HedgeMage has already written a section on user management
[11:03] <cbx33> shall we just use that one for the user management for chapter II
[11:03] <cbx33> and we could add screenshots to both
[11:04] <pygi> cbx33, if you dont want no need to document for dapper
[11:04] <pygi> But for edgy we are going to the lowest point :)
[11:04] <cbx33> oooohhh yeh
[11:05] <cbx33> pygi: for edgy, we gonna print it on lulu right :D
[11:05] <pygi> cbx33, "lulu"?
[11:05] <pygi> for edgy, it's going to be in printed form :)
[11:05] <cbx33> because It's looking more and more like the cookbook could be come the book that I wanted to write for edubuntu
[11:05] <cbx33> lulu prints for you, you only pay printing costs
[11:05] <cbx33> LaserJock printed his packaging guide on there
[11:05] <pygi> We'll do the real printing :)
[11:09] <pygi> cbx33, what? :)
[11:09] <noodleman> hey, what command could i use to wipe a hard disk?
[11:10] <noodleman> X server has been corrupted, I figure it's going to just be easiest to wipe everything and start again
[11:11] <highvoltage> noodleman: you can just choose to do that when you re-install
[11:11] <highvoltage> noodleman: the installer asks if you want to erase the current disk
[11:11] <noodleman> i can't get to the installer
[11:11] <highvoltage> noodleman: how so?
[11:11] <cbx33> pygi: where we gonna get it printed?
[11:12] <noodleman> I'm still pretty new to linux but I'm guessing it's because a lot of stuff on the HDs messed up
[11:12] <cbx33> with lulu we just submit a pdf and they do the rest :D
[11:12] <pygi> cbx33, some publisher? :)
[11:12] <noodleman> although, thinking about it, that doesnt make sense
[11:13] <noodleman> but the computer won't boot into the CD
[11:13] <noodleman> it would yesterday
[11:13] <noodleman> *sigh*
[11:15] <cbx33> pygi: hmmm a publisher would be great
[11:16] <cbx33> to get the exposure
[11:16] <cbx33> but lulu could be good too....
[11:16] <pygi> cbx33, heh :)
[11:17] <pygi> cbx33, I'll try to see what I can do about publisher once we have Chapters layout for Edgy
[11:20] <cbx33> excellent
[11:20] <cbx33> there's gonna be a big think chapter on LTSP
[11:20] <cbx33> I've pulled most of the chapters together now 
[11:21] <cbx33> i really want to get AD integration working for edgy
[11:21] <cbx33> think it would be of real benefit
[11:21] <cbx33> I'm almost there
[11:22] <pygi> cbx33, nice :)
[11:29] <cbx33> it was on creating 3D graphics
[11:31] <pygi> cbx33, nice, why not get it published? :)
[11:36] <cbx33> never finished it
[11:36] <cbx33> after it got dropped i kinda figured what was the point
[11:36] <cbx33> but now lulu is available i may oneday
[11:36] <cbx33> found a bug in something !!
[11:37] <cbx33> either vmware or edubuntu
[11:37] <cbx33> during installation when there is a progress bar on screen
[11:37] <cbx33> press alt+tab
[11:37] <cbx33> and then ctrl+alt
[11:37] <cbx33> it stops the installation
[11:38] <highvoltage> that is odd
[11:38] <cbx33> yes
[11:38] <cbx33> not sure what's at fault
[11:38] <cbx33> but it is unlikely to be vmware
[11:38] <highvoltage> ctrl+alt is captured by vmware though, so it shouldn't cause the problem
[11:38] <cbx33> yes i know
[11:39] <cbx33> but i can still alt+F2
[11:39] <cbx33> to goto virtual terminals
[11:39] <cbx33> and I can still run like the ps command to see what's going on
[11:39] <cbx33> and the processes are just frozen
[11:39] <cbx33> yup it does it whenever the is a progress bar
[11:40] <cbx33> I'm gonna report in ubuntu-bugs
[11:41] <highvoltage> have you checked what happens if you just press alt+tab?
[11:41] <highvoltage> and then pressing it again after it freezes?
[11:41] <cbx33> just about to
[11:41] <highvoltage> perhaps it's a d-i feature of some sorts
[11:43] <cbx33> it's alt-tab
[11:44] <cbx33> good call highvoltage
[11:45] <cbx33> can someone check this out on another machine please
[11:46] <blue-frog> cbx33 check what?
[11:46] <cbx33> no need
[11:46] <blue-frog> ok
[11:56] <cbx33> jsgotangco: you've been testing havn't you
[11:57] <cbx33> have you tried hitting alt+tab when there is a progress bar on the screen
[11:57] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i haven't tested today (i just arrived)
[11:58] <cbx33> ok
[12:00] <cbx33> i just need someone to try this out
[12:00] <cbx33> you can try it even when it says detecing hardware to find cd-rom
[12:00] <HedgeMage> hi, all
[12:00] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage 
[12:00] <cbx33> howz the cookbook
[12:01] <HedgeMage> cbx33: coming, slowly
[12:02] <cbx33> I'm gonna be helping out today
[12:02] <cbx33> but i just noticed a bug in di
[12:02] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I had a crazy weekend, so I'm just now transcribing the last of my stuff
[12:02] <HedgeMage> I couldn't help but laugh at the last meeting minutes where it was noted that some cookbook work was "being stored locally"
[12:03] <HedgeMage> In this case "stored locally" roughly translates to "scratched out on the backs of napkins, army paperwork, and other stuff jammed in a folder in HedgeMage's backpack"
[12:03] <cbx33> indeed :p
[12:04] <HedgeMage> I guess "stored locally" is less verbose, at least, though it somehow brings up images of USB sticks or laptop hard drives in my mind, lacking the visceral quality of the real state of the cookbook :P
[12:04] <cbx33> heh
[12:04] <cbx33> think you'll be ready today?
[12:04] <HedgeMage> Yep
[12:04] <cbx33> nice
[12:04] <HedgeMage> transcribing the last of what I have as we speak
[12:05] <cbx33> I'm working on the missing secions from chap 2
[12:05] <HedgeMage> at least I can read my own handwriting ;)
[12:05] <HedgeMage> cool
[12:05] <cbx33> HedgeMage: i ave screenshots
[12:05] <cbx33> i was going to use them for my user admin bit
[12:05] <HedgeMage> cool
[12:05] <cbx33> but i see you already have written one
[12:05] <cbx33> we could share :p
[12:05] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[12:06] <HedgeMage> Mine has gaps... I'm trying to transcribe and proof the other stuff before I tackle "look and feel" and "printing" so if anyone wants a go at those
[12:07] <HedgeMage> I think this version of the cookbook is largely an exercise in getting words on paper (or in this case, on wiki) and that the cookbook will really become something with Edgy (not that our present stuff isn't cool, it's just not as cool as it can be)
[12:07] <cbx33> did you want my screenshots for your user admin bit?
[12:07] <cbx33> HedgeMage: yeh, we'll have a printed version for edgy
[12:08] <cbx33> i was going to write an edubuntu book
[12:08] <cbx33> but looks like i can pool my efforts into the cookbook
[12:08] <pygi> cbx33, well, we'll have the real edubuntu book for edgy, so no worries
[12:08] <pygi> I just need to make a team to see who really wanna work on it
[12:09] <cbx33> pygi: i'll be in on it
[12:09] <pygi> cbx33, yes, I know you will :)
[12:10] <pygi> I'll need to see if jsgotangco and highvoltage are interested in "real book" as well
[12:10] <cbx33> ah i see
[12:10] <pygi> If they are, the team is good enough
[12:10] <jsgotangco> real book = print?
[12:11] <HedgeMage> yep
[12:11] <pygi> jsgotangco, yes ;)
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33, well, they could be of use, dont you think? :)
[12:11] <jsgotangco> sure but don't expect me to jump suddenly, i currently am doing one with a publisher and we're expecting it to end by next month
[12:12] <cbx33> well as i was going to write one anyway :p
[12:12] <cbx33> jsgotangco: an edubuntu book?
[12:12] <pygi> cbx33, well, you going to work on your own or with us? :P
[12:12] <jsgotangco> cbx33: no
[12:12] <cbx33> pygi: with you of course
[12:12] <cbx33> no point putting my efforts into just my own effort
[12:12] <cbx33> awwww
[12:12] <cbx33> HedgeMage: you won it really
[12:13] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[12:13] <HedgeMage> yay!
[12:16] <HedgeMage> pygi: you know what I'm going to do if this gets made into a print book? I'm going to buy two copies and mail them in turn to each of the authors for signatures -- one for me and one for my mom.
[12:16] <cbx33> awww
[12:17] <HedgeMage> (my mom's all cute about stuff like that, and I just like reminders of cool people I work with)
[12:17] <cbx33> HedgeMage: no reason we can't put it into a pdf and print it on lulu
[12:17] <jsgotangco> what is the license of the current cookbook?
[12:17] <pygi> jsgotangco, none yet :-P
[12:17] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: uhhh... I don't think we've come up with anything more official than "be nice" yet
[12:17] <pygi> HedgeMage, we can put the current book on Lulu
[12:17] <pygi> ergh
[12:17] <pygi> cbx33, current one may go to Lulu
[12:17] <HedgeMage> what's lulu?
[12:17] <pygi> but I would like the edgy to be real publisher
[12:18] <HedgeMage> one-offs like cafepress but for books?
[12:18] <cbx33> nice
[12:19] <pygi> HedgeMage, something like thq5
[12:19] <pygi> that*
[12:20] <pygi> cafepress can also do book
[12:20] <pygi> cbx33, do you agree with that?
[12:20] <pygi> HedgeMage, no reason why we cant all meet once the book is published :)
[12:20] <HedgeMage> pygi: heh that would be cool, but probably beyond my budget
[12:20] <cbx333> sure
[12:20] <HedgeMage> wb cbx33 
[12:21] <HedgeMage> cbx333: even
[12:21] <cbx333> sorry bout that
[12:21] <HedgeMage> np it happens :)
[12:23] <HedgeMage> grrr... I'll brb under a different nick
[12:23] <HedgeMage> having problems with people who don't know what an off-duty staffer is :(
[12:26] <Susan> Hi, all
[12:26] <Susan> I miss anything interesting?
[12:27] <cbx333> who's Susan :p
[12:30] <pygi> cbx333, hedgekage :)
[12:31] <Susan> ROFL
[12:31] <pygi> ergh, hedgemage :)
[12:31] <cbx333> hehe
[12:31] <cbx333> *from
[12:33] <Susan> LOL
[12:35] <cbx333> brb
[12:35] <JaneW> we are having an event here shortly, I will be my best to be back before the meeting starts - but a desperately need a bit of real-life socialising, so I am going to enjoy!
[12:36] <Susan> JaneW: go for it!
[12:37] <Susan> have fun :)
[12:38] <pygi> JaneW, enjoy :)
[12:38] <JaneW> I'll be back
[12:39] <Susan> highvoltage: ping!
[12:41] <jsgotangco> did we hit gold?
[12:42] <cbx33> hi all
[12:42] <Susan> jsgotangco: just wanted to let highvoltage know about a typo on the web site (a kind of bad one)
[12:42] <cbx33>  i want to get a screenshot of using the gnome menus
[12:42] <cbx33> like system
[12:42] <cbx33> apart from doing it on a vmware machine anyone else got any other ways?
[12:43] <jsgotangco> i could probably edit it
[12:43] <cbx33> PrntScrn doesn't work
[12:43] <cbx33> neither does imagemagick
[12:43] <Susan> jsgotangco: on the "Help and Support" page irc.freenode.net is listed as irc.freenode.org (which doesn't exist)
[12:44] <jeffwaddell> cbx33 what are you trying to capture again?
[12:44] <cbx33> the system gnome menu
[12:44] <cbx33> up the top
[12:45] <cbx33> i want to show getting to users and groups
[12:45] <jeffwaddell> give me a minute to think about it....
[12:45] <cbx33> thank you
[12:49] <jeffwaddell> cbx33 i think you will have bind a command to a keypress to manage that
[12:50] <cbx33> jeffwaddell: any ideas?
[12:51] <pygi> cbx33, like one month after dapper release, I suggest we all (people who will write book) upgrade to edgy
[12:51] <cbx33> yes
[12:51] <jeffwaddell> cbx33, I believe xwd will do the screen capture the trick is having it fire off at the correct moment
[12:51] <pygi> cbx33, Until then, we can write down general things
[12:51] <jeffwaddell> cbx33, to do that will probably require you to bind that command to a keypress
[12:52] <jeffwaddell> cbx33, the way to bind that to a keypress that comes to my mind is the hotkeys program
[12:52] <cbx33> ok cool thanks
[12:52] <jeffwaddell> cbx33, of course if you can bind xwd - you could probably bind imagemagick just as easily and that would be better
[12:53] <cbx33> no imagemagick looks fo the mouse to grab which window
[12:54] <jeffwaddell> cbx33 well with xwd you can give it the -root option which *should* get around that
[12:55] <jeffwaddell> actually you might be able to write a script with a sleep and then have it do the screen capture without bothering with hotkeys...hmm, just a moment
[12:57] <cbx33> jeffwaddell: any idea how i convert that dump
[12:58] <jeffwaddell> hold on still testing
[12:58] <pygi> cbx33, I'll have to be away a bit at 12:00 UTC probably for like half an hour, so we'll extend the period for half an hour
[12:58] <cbx33> ok, I'm going to have to leave work early to get home
[12:58] <cbx33> so i may be a bit late back too
[12:59] <jeffwaddell> cbx33, so I know that the script with a delay works as I just did it...now for converting it to png...
[12:59] <cbx33> ok i got it 
[12:59] <cbx33> thanx jeffwaddell 
[12:59] <jeffwaddell> cbx33, you got how to convert or ?
[01:00] <cbx33> yes
[01:00] <cbx33> GIMP
[01:01] <jeffwaddell> cbx33 you could just use xwud to display the image and use imagemagick as per usual
[01:01] <cbx33> GIMP works fine with the xwd
[01:01] <cbx33> thanks for that jeffwaddell 
[01:02] <jeffwaddell> no problem
[01:03] <Susan> Ugh, eyelids drooping... time to put the teakettle on.
[01:03] <cbx33> Susan: did you want me to add screen shots into your admin user section?
[01:04] <jeffwaddell> Susan, I know why my eyelids are dropping...why are yours?
[01:04] <Susan> cbx33: that would be awesome
[01:04] <Susan> jeffwaddell: because it is 4am here
[01:04] <Susan> jeffwaddell: and I got 2 hours of sleep last night, and none so far tonight
[01:05] <Susan> At this rate, I might get to bed about the time hubby leaves for work... :o
[01:05] <jeffwaddell> susan...yeah I'm not sure what time it is here in Seattle the only clock I have to look at is set to GMT/UTC
[01:06] <cbx33> heheh
[01:06] <cbx33> hehe
[01:06] <cbx33> or DST
[01:06] <cbx33> or nothing
[01:06] <Susan> jeffwaddell: 4am, I am in Olympia
[01:06] <jeffwaddell> wow that's really cool
[01:07] <Susan> cbx33: I'm on PDT (Pacific Daylight-savings Time)
[01:07] <Susan> jeffwaddell: yep :)
[01:07] <cbx33> hehe
[01:07] <cbx33> stpuid time zones
[01:07] <Susan> hehe yep
[01:07] <jeffwaddell> stupid sun, ....moving around like that :)
[01:07] <jsgotangco> use tzwatch
[01:07] <Susan> rofl
[01:08] <Susan> jeffwaddell: if you leave now, you could drive here in time to share a cup of tea with me during the Edubuntu meeting :P
[01:08] <jsgotangco> stupid brain
[01:09] <jeffwaddell> Susan, that's is very tempting...I don't think I have enough gas to do it, though...
[01:09] <jeffwaddell> Susan, trafic would be great though...I'm sure I'll be in Olympia sometime soon as I have friends there
[01:09] <Susan> awww
[01:09] <Susan> hehe
[01:10] <Susan> jeffwaddell: I run a great FOSS user group here if you're ever interested.
[01:10] <jeffwaddell> 2.5 quarts seems like a really big kettle
[01:10] <jeffwaddell> susan, definately interested in user groups
[01:10] <Susan> jeffwaddell: meetings are the third Thursday evening each month 6:30pm-8pm local time, and we're having a Dapper release party tomorrow night (pool party!)
[01:10] <jsgotangco> wow
[01:10] <cbx33> i don;t tink I'll be bale to make it to the meeting today which sux cos I havn't missed one yet
[01:11] <Susan> cbx33: I miss them often :P
[01:11] <Susan> silly people and your different time zones...
[01:11] <cbx33> can someone do me a favour if they are going
[01:11] <Susan> cbx33: sure, what's that?
[01:11] <cbx33> ping JaneW highvoltage 
[01:11] <cbx33> Susan: oh great
[01:12] <cbx33> can some one put a marker at the start and end of the meeting and copy and paste the log
[01:12] <Susan> I will be there, and hopefully also awake/coherent :P
[01:12] <cbx33> if it's not going to be in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:12] <cbx33> but then also f it is too please
[01:12] <cbx33> so i can take minutes
[01:12] <Susan> It'll be in #ubuntu-meeting
[01:12] <Susan> but I will do that, just tell me where the log goes
[01:12] <cbx33> mail it to me :p
[01:13] <Susan> cbx33: I *think* I have your email but can you shoot it at me again just in case?
[01:13] <cbx33> petesavage@ubuntu.com
[01:13] <jeffwaddell> susan, when you get a chance drop details of the meeting (directions to the pool party) to jefferydouglaswaddell@gmail.com
[01:13] <Susan> okay, cool, will do.
[01:13] <Susan> jeffwaddell: will do that once I get this cookbook stuff typed up
[01:13] <jsgotangco> JaneW: kinky
[01:14] <jeffwaddell> susan, great
[01:16] <Susan> jeffwaddell: if I manage to catch up on sleep, I will be making a special edubuntu-themed cake :)
[01:16] <Susan> if not, I'll be lazy and settle for cookies or something
[01:17] <jeffwaddell> susan, I'm already setting my intention on being there, I'll probably bring the whole family :)
[01:20] <Susan> jeffwaddell: awesome :)
[01:21] <Susan> jeffwaddell: I assume you know how to find I-5 ?  Directions from there okay?
[01:21] <jeffwaddell> direction from I-5 will be good
[01:22] <jeffwaddell> Susan, do you happen to know of anyone else is intending to come from Seattle?  Maybe could do some ridesharing
[01:25] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ;)
[01:25] <jsgotangco> :D
[01:25] <JaneW> cbx33: we were having lunch
[01:26] <pygi> HedgeMage, dont forget to upload stuff
[01:26] <pygi> talk to you later
[01:26] <pygi> JaneW, bon apetit
[01:26] <HedgeMage> pygi: working on it as we speak
[01:26] <HedgeMage> jeffwaddell: not AFAIK, we only have one other Seattle person and I haven't been able to get ahold of him :(
[01:27] <HedgeMage> jeffwaddell: would be nice, too, since he can't drive :/
[01:27] <jeffwaddell> HedgeMage, that's cool just checking
[01:27] <cbx33> JaneW: no bigge
[01:27] <cbx33> was gonna say I'll be travelling home during the meeting today
[01:28] <cbx33> can someone copy and paste so i can take the minutes
[01:28] <JaneW> cbx33: oic 
[01:28] <JaneW> cbx33: sure
[01:28] <JaneW> cbx33: lunch is over so we (I am anyway) are back now
[01:28] <cbx33> sorry to let you all down
 thinks I should'nt sit in this chair like this for more than 4 hours...oops
[01:32] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[01:32] <cbx33> found a bug
[01:32] <cbx33> but it won't be fixed before release
[01:33] <cbx33> try pressing alt+tab during a progress bar in d-i
[01:33] <cbx33> freezes the install
[01:33] <cbx33> but the keyboard still responds
[01:33] <ogra> did you tell Kamion ?
[01:33] <cbx33> and you can spwan a shell in F2
[01:33] <cbx33> yes i did
[01:33] <HedgeMage> brb checking on my tea
[01:34] <MyNameIsNotBob> is it possible for me, without using a cd, to change my Dapper Drake ubuntu install to an edubuntu install?
[01:35] <HedgeMage> ogra: I think this is one of your many areas of expertise ^^^^^^^^
[01:36] <ogra> HedgeMage, i'm up since 30h now and was just told i have to start over with my testing, i'm not able to help anybody now
[01:36] <HedgeMage> ogra: ouch! good luck
[01:37] <jeffwaddell> ogra, anyway anybody can help you?
[01:37] <jsgotangco> jeffwaddell: download the builds and test if it installs
[01:38] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[01:38] <HedgeMage> MyNameIsNotBob: I would *think* it's just a matter of using synaptic to grab the edubuntu desktop and apps, but I'm really no expert.
[01:38] <cbx33> ogra: WWHHAATTT
[01:38] <cbx33> start over again?
[01:38] <jeffwaddell> jsgotangco, not sure given my resources at this moment if I can do that....
[01:39] <MyNameIsNotBob> HedgeMage, thats what i was thinking as well
[01:39] <MyNameIsNotBob> HedgeMage, but was wanting confirmation before i did it
[01:40] <HedgeMage> MyNameIsNotBob: I'm about 90% sure, maybe someone else here can confirm
[01:40] <jsgotangco> cbx33: :D
[01:40] <jeffwaddell> MyNameIsNotBob, I would expect it to work, yet I haven't tried it...
[01:40] <HedgeMage> I've done it before, and it looked/felt like edubuntu... don't know if there's a difference I'm missing though
[01:40] <HedgeMage> MyNameIsNotBob: is this for a standalone installation or LTSP goodness?
[01:41] <MyNameIsNotBob> HedgeMage, it is just my computer if that is what you mean, i don't recognise the acronym LTSP
[01:42] <cbx33> jeffwaddell: indeed it is
[01:42] <HedgeMage> MyNameIsNotBob: it's for thin client fun stuff :)  if you don't know what it is, you don't use it
[01:42] <MyNameIsNotBob> HedgeMage, thought so
[01:42] <cbx33> ogra: I was half way through my installation when i discovered that bug
[01:42] <HedgeMage> btw, I'll warn you all now, I've resorted to sugar to keep me awake... be afraid, be very afraid.
[01:42] <cbx33> I'm sure I can start another one going if you need my help
[01:42] <highvoltage> pong cbx33 
[01:42] <cbx33> dw highvoltage it's all in hand
[01:42] <cbx33> :D
[01:43] <highvoltage> grrr
[01:43] <cbx33> sorry dude
[01:43] <JaneW> highvoltage: why you gorwling?
[01:44] <cbx33> ogrwling :p
[01:44] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 20 mins
[01:44] <highvoltage> JaneW: cbx33 pinged me for no reason :)
[01:44] <JaneW> cbx33: rude!
[01:44] <cbx33> sorry it wasn't for no reason
[01:44] <JaneW> *joking*
[01:44] <cbx33> :(
[01:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: don't worry :)
[01:44] <highvoltage> cbx33: what did you ping me for?
[01:44] <cbx33> it was to ask if you were going to the meeting
[01:45] <cbx33> if you could save a log of the convo for me
[01:45] <cbx33> so i caould do the minutes
[01:45] <cbx33> as I won;t be able to attend
[01:45] <JaneW> let's go to #u-m for meeting else we have to tell ppl thee we are here and ask ppl her to be quiet etc...
[01:45] <cbx33> I'll be travelling home
[01:45] <highvoltage> cbx33: ok, will do. logs are kept automatically too.
[01:45] <cbx33> yes
[01:45] <JaneW> her=here
[01:45] <cbx33> but I wanted them straight away
[01:46] <jeffwaddell> if i were looking for an agenda for this upcoming meeting where would I look?
[01:46] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda
[01:47] <jeffwaddell> the link on the fridge is not that
[01:47] <cbx33> well that's it
[01:48] <jeffwaddell> yes thanks
[01:48] <MyNameIsNotBob> does edubuntu guarantee me better grades?
[01:49] <JaneW> MyNameIsNotBob: YES
[01:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: I'll keep the logs and mail them for you
[01:51] <highvoltage> test
[01:51] <cbx33> bbl guys
[01:51] <cbx33> and gals
[01:52] <jeffwaddell> bye cbx33
[01:53] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 10 mins
[01:54] <HedgeMage> Hubby is going to kill me when he gets up for work and sees I haven't slept
[01:54] <jsgotangco> good idea
[01:55] <jsgotangco> we can call it the nurse script
[01:55] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[01:55] <ogra> highvoltage, just teach ubugtu to notify the channel, it already has the schedule and a timer
[01:55] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[01:58] <jsgotangco> ouch meeting and i was having a blast doing sudoku
[01:59] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[01:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: indeed :P
[01:59] <JaneW> jsgotangco: or bliss
[02:00] <jsgotangco> gahh
[02:01] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sorry, do I shock you?
[02:02] <jsgotangco> yes you haven't resigned completely yet and i discover you playing a windows game
[02:02] <MyNameIsNotBob> how do i load schooltool?
[02:02] <LaserJock> JaneW: got my passport yesterday, I guess I'm ready to go :-)
[02:02] <MyNameIsNotBob> like, what is my default port no?
[02:02] <jsgotangco> oh joy
[02:02] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hmm good for you, you only need a passport
[02:03] <JaneW> LaserJock: awesome
[02:03] <JaneW> jsgotangco: not on MY laptop!
[02:04] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you need a visa too?
[02:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: yes, we of non anglo-saxon and norman blood seems to require a visa :D
[02:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: i was at the consul office today, and passed my papers but they asked for more (which i find it silly already)
[02:06] <LaserJock> bummer dude
[02:06] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: its really a big hassle for cvd and clan already
[02:06] <jsgotangco> (the consul asked for a letter from the hotel doh)
[02:25] <trainee> ello der...
[02:26] <HedgeMage> hi trainee 
[02:27] <trainee> ello,,,
[02:28] <trainee> why is d room quiet?
[02:28] <HedgeMage> most of us are in a meeting right now
[02:28] <HedgeMage> in #ubuntu-meeting
[02:28] <HedgeMage> you are welcome to come sit in
[02:29] <HedgeMage> general questions can be asked here in #edubuntu and we'll do our best to answer as we're able
[02:29] <trainee> ok...will do...
[02:35] <HedgeMage> jeffwaddell: email sent... sorry for the delay
[02:44] <HedgeMage> wb JeffWaddell 
[02:44] <JeffWaddell> HedgeMage: thanks email received....keyboard wierding out though
[02:45] <HedgeMage> np
[02:45] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:49] <JeffWaddell> ?
[02:51] <highvoltage> JaneW: that's why i eat lunch later, when at work. otherwise you loose half a day :)
[02:51] <JaneW> highvoltage: I normally eat a light lunch
[02:52] <JaneW> that works too
[02:52] <highvoltage> yeah. light lunches work great.
[02:53] <highvoltage> JaneW: seen this? http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/computing/2006/0605291300.asp?S=Telecoms&A=TEL&O= we're on ITweb again :)
[02:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: looking
[02:53] <JaneW> highvoltage: it was the chocolates at the end that did me in I think ;)
[02:54] <highvoltage> heh.
[02:54] <HedgeMage> hehe
[02:54] <HedgeMage> BTW, JaneW, highvoltage, I wanted your opinion on something
[02:54] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: oooh. ok
[02:55] <JaneW> highvoltage: well done :)
[02:55] <highvoltage> it's rare that people actually ask for my opinion. i normally just give it!
[02:55] <HedgeMage> someone (I think you JaneW but I could be wrong) mentioned something about me applying to be an edubuntu member a while back... I'm not sure if I really should yet... I'm not sure what is "enough" to merit it... Do you think I'm ready or shall I wait a bit?
[02:55] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: ROFL
[02:55] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: btw, did you get my note about the typo on edubuntu.org/help earlier?
[02:55] <HedgeMage> or did jsgotangco fix it already?
[02:55] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: i say, if you feel ready, go for it.
[02:55] <JaneW> HedgeMage: ogra is the best person to descide, but based on what I have seen I'd say yes
[02:56] <JaneW> EC is sitting next week
[02:56] <JaneW> what time?
[02:56] <JaneW> 20:00?
[02:56] <HedgeMage> I believe so
[02:57] <LaserJock> ogra: glad that got cleared up
[02:58] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: just join the edubuntu-members LP team so we know to get the grilling ready ;-)
[02:59] <HedgeMage> rofl
[02:59] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:59] <HedgeMage> I'll get that all in order once the release announcement and EC stuff are squared away
[02:59] <HedgeMage> gah! I'm being infected by military terms...
[03:01] <highvoltage> JaneW: is there a deadline for finalisation for specs?
[03:02] <JaneW> highvoltage: for SoC?
[03:02] <highvoltage> JaneW: ah, i thought you might have refered to edgy specs
[03:03] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: it'll be intense
[03:03] <LaserJock> worf? what the heck was that
[03:03] <JaneW> LaserJock: yes focus will be on that next week
[03:04] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yep, i'm going to bug ogr4 with lots of questions starting from this weekend ;)
[03:04] <LaserJock> JaneW: should most specs be done before the summit?
[03:04] <ogra> LaserJock, *during*
[03:04] <ogra> but you should draft it as good as you can
[03:05] <LaserJock> k
[03:05] <JaneW> LaserJock: ideally yes
[03:05] <LaserJock> yeah, I plan on picking ogra's brain once it has recovered from the release partying
[03:05] <JaneW> as per Mark's mail
[03:06] <jsgotangco> ogra: how much are smokes in paris?
[03:06] <jsgotangco> expensive?
[03:06] <HedgeMage> Speaking of release partying... anyone else in WA, USA?
[03:06] <ogra> dont think so, but i cant remember its somethink like 20 years ago when i was there
[03:06] <jsgotangco> meh
[03:07] <JaneW> HedgeMage: flint is
[03:07] <jeffwaddell> JaneW, didn't he just get on a plane?
[03:07] <HedgeMage> hmmm... not in here ATM
[03:07] <JaneW> HedgeMage: although he is in Vermont now - where's that?
[03:08] <HedgeMage> other side of the country
[03:08] <HedgeMage> Washington is the west coast, vermont is the east coast.
[03:08] <jsgotangco> somewhere deep into the iron curtain of north america
[03:08] <LaserJock> hehe, waaay on the other side
[03:08] <jeffwaddell> well Washington, District of Columbia is on the East Coast too
[03:09] <HedgeMage> yep
[03:09] <HedgeMage> but Washington State is on the west coast
[03:09] <LaserJock> jeffwaddell: that is D.C. not Washington for West Coasters
[03:09] <HedgeMage> there are two washingtons
[03:09] <HedgeMage> DC is DC and Washington is Washington state
[03:09] <JaneW> HedgeMage: he used to be DC
[03:09] <jeffwaddell> LaserJock, not everyone here is for the North American continent
[03:10] <JaneW> and jelkner is in Arlington, VA
[03:10] <LaserJock> jeffwaddell: that probably is true too ;-)
[03:10] <JaneW> and kjcole as well
[03:10] <HedgeMage> JaneW: ahh, then he wasn't that close to me to begin with.
[03:10] <HedgeMage> JaneW: I did live in DC for a couple of months, though... I like it out there but I can't figure out why
[03:11] <JaneW> HedgeMage: looks pretty there
[03:11] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'd love to fly up but I gotta save my pennies for Paris :/
[03:11] <HedgeMage> :)
[03:11] <JaneW> and the more I travel the more I love home :)
[03:11] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: there will be other parties.  I wish I were going to Paris with you.
[03:12] <HedgeMage> JaneW: My hometown was eaten by developers, so I haven't quite become attached to a new home yet.  The army keeps us moving a lot.
[03:12] <highvoltage> JaneW: cape town is cool. no matter how much sabdfl blogs about how cool london is :)
[03:12] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I have issues with towns over 2,000 people :/
[03:12] <ogra> yay
[03:12] <ogra> dapper-dvd-i386.iso
[03:12] <ogra>    141986304   4%    7.02MB/s    0:07:45
[03:12] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: hmm, maybe if you come down here I can hide you in a suit case
[03:12] <JaneW> HedgeMage: oh you're in the army?
[03:12] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: hehe
[03:12] <ogra> looks like i'll get some sleep tomight :)
[03:12] <HedgeMage> JaneW: my husband is.
[03:13] <jeffwaddell> yeah ogra
[03:13] <JaneW> HedgeMage: yikes!
[03:13] <HedgeMage> ogra: yay!
[03:13] <LaserJock> \o/
[03:13] <JaneW> HedgeMage: Cape Town has like 2M people
[03:13] <JaneW> ogra: GOOD
[03:13] <LaserJock> yikes
[03:13] <LaserJock> I live in a city of ~300,000 and it is driving me nuts, I can't wait until I get my PhD finished
[03:14] <HedgeMage> JaneW: Olympia isn't that big, but it's bigger than I'm used to.  I grew up on a 300yo hog farm in a very odd place... tiny town, all farms, 30 minutes from downtown Chicago
[03:14] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: I live in a city of 15M people
[03:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: WOW
[03:14] <jeffwaddell> HedgeMage, that would be odd
[03:14] <highvoltage> JaneW: CT has nearly 3M people :)
[03:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: that's bigger than Bangkok, no?
[03:14] <JaneW> highvoltage: really?
[03:15] <HedgeMage> jeffwaddell: That's why my domain is BinaryRedneck.net not many coders/admins/geeks from hog farms out there :P
[03:15] <jsgotangco> JaneW: my city is probably more populous than NZ and AU combined
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, at the 2004 census, it was 2,893,251
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: and have you seen how many people have been walking with prams in the malls lately?
[03:15] <jeffwaddell> jsgotangco, makes we think of Mexico City however I'm not sure if it's quite that big
[03:16] <JaneW> this is from 2005
[03:16] <JaneW> City Facts
[03:16] <JaneW> Cape Town Population 	3,103,000 *
[03:16] <JaneW> S. Africa Population 	45,323,000 *
[03:16] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: I'm from a ranch in the middle of nowhere Montana, I did work on a neighbors hog farm a little when I was a kid
[03:16] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: cool :)
[03:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: haha yes
[03:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: don;t worry I am done ;)
[03:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW: population here is 85M
[03:16] <jsgotangco> :D
[03:17] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I'd love to go there
[03:17] <JaneW> and back to Thailand
[03:17] <highvoltage> JaneW: you are!? what are you going to blog about once your current kids are big? :P
[03:17] <jsgotangco> we give lots of love
[03:17] <JaneW> highvoltage: the more saucy stuff! :P
[03:17] <highvoltage> *gasp*
[03:17] <JaneW> highvoltage: seen today's entry? not a kid in sight ...
[03:18] <LaserJock> lol
[03:18] <jsgotangco> JaneW: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Manila
[03:18] <highvoltage> my planet script hasn't run since you blogged... /me checks on your blog directly
[03:20] <LaserJock> hehe, my home state has 1M people for 375,500 km^2
[03:20] <ogra> HedgeMage, planet.ubuntu.com ;)
[03:20] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: LMAO
[03:20] <JaneW> highvoltage: sorry!
[03:20] <jeffwaddell> hello bddebian
[03:20] <bddebian> Hello jeffwaddell
[03:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'm sure i'll get over it... :)
[03:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: so you prefer the entries about squirrels and kids? :P
[03:21] <jeffwaddell> jsgotangco, it appears that greater Mexico City is a bit bigger (wikipedia say 17+million)
[03:21] <highvoltage> JaneW: i do now!
[03:21] <JaneW> hahaha
[03:21] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:23] <bddebian> Yeah, come to Philadelphia!!  (hint, hint)
[03:23] <jeffwaddell> bddebian, because it's smaller or bigger :)
[03:24] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i grew up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batangas
[03:24] <jsgotangco> heh!
[03:24] <jsgotangco> brain training
[03:24] <LaserJock> JaneW: what is the URL for you blog?
[03:24] <JaneW> http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/
[03:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW: so you know where to go if you would like to do a diving expedition :D
[03:26] <JaneW> marilize is talking so much I can't think
[03:26] <highvoltage> hehe. the food had a different effect on her :)
[03:26] <highvoltage> i think she's just happy to have a live person in the office again :)
[03:28] <LaserJock> JaneW: hmm, never heard of bliss, my wife would probably just say "yeah right" and tell me to get off the computer ;-)
[03:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: you should get marelize to join #edubuntu too
[03:29] <JaneW> highvoltage: :)
[03:29] <highvoltage> would be nice if she can get involved too.
[03:29] <highvoltage> or is she not really that interested?
[03:29] <HedgeMage> Who's that? Kid? Cow-orker?
[03:29] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: she'll smack you if you call her a cow
[03:29] <bddebian> huh
[03:30] <JaneW> HedgeMage: employee, does all CD and cof packs etc
[03:30] <JaneW> conf
[03:30] <ogra> mhz would love here if she were around all the time to ask CD questions :)
[03:30] <ogra> *her
[03:30] <JaneW> she is pretty
[03:30] <bddebian> What where?  Who's pretty? :-)
[03:31] <highvoltage> bddebian: marelize (says jsgotangco)
[03:31] <highvoltage> bddebian: i can't say that, otherwise JaneW would tell her that i said that.
[03:31] <LaserJock> JaneW: so is there a replacement for you? not that you can really be replaced
[03:31] <bddebian> highvoltage: Well JaneW is an attractive woman as well :-)
[03:32] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/UbzGallery/CIMG0270.html
[03:32] <jsgotangco> bddebian: there's also hande (of the london office)
[03:32] <JaneW> marilize -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/71405082@N00/64224246/
[03:32] <highvoltage> bddebian: have you seen the JaneW cartoon character? very cool :)
[03:32] <bddebian> highvoltage: No
[03:32] <JaneW> highvoltage: I wouldn't do that (unless you wanted me to)
[03:32] <JaneW> LaserJock: no, and thanks. But I am sure there will be in time
[03:32] <JaneW> unless I am redundant
[03:33] <jsgotangco> is that malcolm?
[03:33] <highvoltage> bddebian: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/8061/1139/1600/jane.jpg
[03:33] <JaneW> yes my anime is awesome!
[03:33] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes
[03:33] <bddebian> highvoltage: JaneW is Lara Croft? ;-P
[03:33] <ogra> JaneW, you are the better half of edubuntu, how can that be redundant :)
[03:34] <highvoltage> bddebian: there are some parrallels :)
[03:34] <bddebian> hehe
[03:34] <highvoltage> omw, jeff waugh's hair was long before
[03:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: yup
[03:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: so was mark's
[03:35] <highvoltage> yes, but he's always had bad hair
[03:36] <ogra> i liked the surferboy style :)
[03:37] <HedgeMage> sheesh I look away for 5 minutes and the chan explodes again :P
[03:37] <HedgeMage> I miss all the fun
[03:37] <highvoltage> *tumbleweed*
[03:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I was thinking this morning did I share a taxi with you to Sydney airport after UDU?
[03:38] <JaneW> jsgotangco: I was still pretty shell-shocked then and didn't really know who I was talking to half the time...
[03:39] <jsgotangco> no i stayed for an extra day with jbailey and jdub
[03:41] <jeffwaddell> later all
[03:42] <HedgeMage> grrr I think TT is waking up
[03:46] <HedgeMage> Yep, he's up
[03:47] <HedgeMage> Still groggy though
[03:47] <JaneW> HedgeMage: fun
[03:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hrm, oh wait that was jblack!
[03:47] <HedgeMage> JaneW: :)
[03:47] <JaneW> totally different person
[03:50] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: hmm, sounds like TT and me have a lot in common right now ;-)
[03:50] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: LOL do you want to climb under my snowflake quilt and watch cartoons, too? :P
[03:51] <LaserJock> Cartoons? Awesome
[03:51] <LaserJock> but I need to go to work sadly, I have a meeting with my advisor at 11:00
[03:51] <HedgeMage> awww
[03:51] <HedgeMage> have fun
[03:53] <pygi> JaneW, "you'll" have the cookbook released same time as Dapper releases
[03:54] <JaneW> pygi: tomorrow?
[03:54] <pygi> JaneW, yup 
[03:54] <JaneW> wow
[03:54] <pygi> perhaps even the docbook, so people could download it right away from -updates :)
[03:57] <HedgeMage> hehe
[03:57] <HedgeMage> pygi: you rock
[03:57] <pygi> HedgeMage, ergh, no, I dont
[03:58] <HedgeMage> yess you do :)
[04:00] <pygi> HedgeMage, be shhhhhhh :)
[04:16] <HedgeMage> oh, my... TT just emptied the entire package of baby goldfish into his bowl and is eating them and guarding them...
[04:17] <HedgeMage> (for those of you not from the US they are not actual fish, they are cheese crackers shaped like fish)
[04:31] <cbx33> pygi, I'm so sorry, my train was late, and then my adsl line was down
[04:31] <cbx33> but I'm here now and in for the long haul
[04:31] <cbx33> i have my secsions just about to upload
[04:31] <cbx33> gimme 10 mins
[04:31] <pygi> cbx33, don't worry
[04:32] <pygi> we'll have to write some other stuff considering HedgeMage has to sleep :P
[04:33] <HedgeMage> sleep's a crutch... who needs sleep?
[04:34] <ogra> sleep is for the weak !
[04:34] <ogra> :)
[04:34] <cbx33> indeed
[04:35] <HedgeMage> hehe
[04:35] <pygi> ogra, ergh, after a week not sleeping you would be weak :P
[04:36] <cbx33> ogra week???? never
[04:36] <cbx33> HedgeMage, go sleep
[04:36] <pygi> cbx33, weak*
[04:36] <HedgeMage> But that's one of my barracks rats' fault, not Edubuntu's
[04:36] <cbx33> pygi, yup
[04:36] <HedgeMage> cbx33: still writing that draft, plus I have a kid to take care of
[04:36] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'll sleep when he naps
[04:36] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'm not as big as jblack :P
[04:37] <cbx33> HedgeMage, grrrr
[04:37] <HedgeMage> cbx33: grrrr?
[04:37] <cbx33> I'll start calling you sleepy susan :p
[04:37] <HedgeMage> LOL
[04:37] <JaneW> ok time for me to head back to my mountain
[04:37] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I'm not always this sleep-deprived. :P
[04:37] <HedgeMage> JaneW: ttyl
[04:38] <JaneW> by all, and thanks for the awesome work
[04:38] <ogra> ciao JaneW 
[04:39] <cbx33> how was the meeting
[04:40] <jsgotangco> i gotta crash
[04:40] <jsgotangco> good night
[04:40] <cbx33> nn jsgotangco 
[04:40] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:41] <cbx33> jsgotangco, did you see my bug
[04:41] <jsgotangco> no
[04:42] <jsgotangco> what #?
[04:42] <cbx33> heheh....try pressing alt+tab which the is a progress bar on the screen in di
[04:42] <cbx33> it'll halt the installer
[04:42] <cbx33> :S
[04:42] <jsgotangco> does it actually halt the installer or the progress bar?
[04:42] <cbx33> no it halts the installer
[04:43] <cbx33> you can still do Alt+F*
[04:43] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[04:43] <jsgotangco> its probably not d-i
[04:43] <cbx33> and spawn a console in tty2
[04:43] <cbx33> no, but that's what Kamion told me to file it under
[04:43] <jsgotangco> cbx33: what's the chance of people actually doing that during install?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> power users?
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:43] <cbx33> jsgotangco, or those using vmware :p
[04:43] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[04:44] <jsgotangco> good spotting
[04:44] <cbx33> heheh
[04:45] <cbx33> well wish I'd spotted it earlier
[04:45] <jsgotangco> too late :)
[04:45] <jsgotangco> ciao
[04:46] <cbx33> can someone grab the red...you have updates icon?
[04:47] <cbx33> nevermind I have it
[04:49] <HedgeMage> Okay, folks... please everyone thoroughly and viciously proof and critique https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement 
[04:50] <HedgeMage> I am sleep deprived so I'm afraid I may have missed some mistakes or just plain said something wrong or whatever.
[04:51] <cbx33> HedgeMage, I will do it personally
[04:51] <HedgeMage> awesome
[04:51] <HedgeMage> thanks, guys
[04:53] <cbx33> HedgeMage, what about proud to present
[04:53] <HedgeMage> sounds better :)
[04:53] <HedgeMage> done
[04:53] <HedgeMage> next?
[04:54] <cbx33> via the internet
[04:55] <cbx33> via t'internet :p
[04:55] <HedgeMage> lol
[04:55] <cbx33> disk, you will need media with at least 700MB capacity
[04:55] <pygi> HedgeMage, I am not sure is "published" good word for cookbook
[04:56] <highvoltage> disc.
[04:56] <HedgeMage> pygi: "assembled" instead?
[04:57] <cbx33> HedgeMage, did you want to say that if possible could people burn their own?
[04:57] <cbx33> and distribute
[04:57] <HedgeMage> brb tt found cookies
[04:57] <cbx33> how about....prepared the frist edubuntu cookbook
[04:57] <HedgeMage> that could work
[04:57] <HedgeMage> brb
[04:58] <cbx33> To see it all, you'll need to try the CD, but the following highlights may whet your appetite: CHANGE TO:: In order to experience Edubuntu fully, you'll need to try the........
[05:00] <bimberi> HedgeMage: The CD's are now called "Desktop CD" and "Alternate install CD".  Also I think it's mandated to include the "LTS" after 6.06
[05:00] <cbx33> LTS?
[05:00] <cbx33> what does it mean
[05:01] <cbx33> :p
[05:01] <ogra> bimberi, nope
[05:01] <ogra> not for us
[05:01] <ogra> the LTS should be in though
[05:01] <bimberi> ogra: i'm going by http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/
[05:02] <ogra> and how are the isos called ? :)
[05:02] <ogra> (i'm aware about the bug in the html title)
[05:02] <HedgeMage> what's LTS ?
[05:03] <ogra> long term support
[05:03] <HedgeMage> ahh okay
[05:03] <bimberi> ogra: ah, kk :)
[05:03] <bimberi> Linux Terminal Server :P
[05:03] <ogra> the only CD we ship is the install CD for i386
[05:03] <ogra> and since we install a server by default we cant call it "desktop" cd
[05:03] <bimberi> HedgeMage: Needs to say Edubuntu in "To burn the Ubuntu 6.06 CD images..."
[05:04] <ogra> and since its our default, it would be silly to call it "alternate"
[05:04] <ogra> so we keep the names
[05:04] <bimberi> makes a lot of sense
[05:05] <HedgeMage> bimberi: thanks
[05:06] <bimberi> HedgeMage: yw :)
[05:07] <pygi> cbx33, just tell when can we continue with cookbook
[05:08] <cbx33> ok
[05:08] <cbx33> just uploading all my images
[05:08] <cbx33> and content for you to see
[05:08] <HedgeMage> cbx33: I think I like "assembled" rather than "prepared" (referring to cookbook)... "prepared" sounds less... something
[05:11] <HedgeMage> Okay, tweaked a bit per suggestions... still thinking of a nice-sounding way to say "burn your own if you can, we don't have a ton to send out"
[05:12] <HedgeMage> feel free to peak and give more feedback
[05:12] <bimberi> HedgeMage: if you add a space before each "*" they should come out as dot points (iirc)
[05:13] <HedgeMage> bimberi: thanks I was wondering why they didn't
[05:13] <bimberi> HedgeMage: how about "We're as tight as the typical education budget so ..."  ? :P
[05:14] <HedgeMage> hehe
[05:14] <bimberi> as a way to introduce "burn your own" (in case that wasn't clear)
[05:16] <bimberi> 01:16 on June 1 here but nothing from mdz :(
[05:17] <ogra> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Testing/Current not before all fields are PASS in all tables (or nearly all)
[05:20] <bimberi> ah, locked page, i would think so too
[05:24] <HedgeMage> Okay, TT needs love, attention, parenting, etc.  I'll be back after a while.
[05:31] <cbx33> pygi, check out administration
[05:31] <cbx33> not finished yet
[05:31] <cbx33> I'm moving onto the LTSP stuff
[05:31] <pygi> cbx33, will look, thanks
[05:31] <pygi> cbx33, I'll put aside entire night so I could finish all
[05:31] <cbx33> i think I may need to resize the images a little
[05:32] <cbx33> lemme know what you think
[05:35] <pygi> cbx33, ok, gimme few secs
[05:41] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[05:42] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[05:43] <cbx33> did you manage to get any gisomount done ?
[05:43] <cbx33> :p
[05:44] <cbx33> pygi, check out LTSP management
[05:44] <cbx33> done that now too
[05:45] <cbx33> ogra, i can't believe you had to test all over again
[05:45] <ogra> i'm getting there
[05:45] <cbx33> that sux
[05:45] <ogra> only the dvd and install CDs
[05:45] <cbx33> i386 install?
[05:45] <ogra> live could stay
[05:45] <ogra> all arches
[05:45] <cbx33> you need a hand bud?
[05:46] <ogra> ah well, sure, if you have spare time test some i386 installs
[05:46] <ogra> i'm nearly done with amd64 and will do ppc and i386 in parallel afterwards
[05:46] <cbx33> I'll run some for you
[05:46] <ogra> and after that the DVD again ...
[05:47] <ogra> *yawn*
[05:47] <cbx33> 20060531?
[05:47] <ogra> as noted in the wikipage
[05:47] <cbx33> LaserJock, ooooh I notied something cool
[05:47] <cbx33> sorry ogra trying to do 1,000 things at once
[05:47] <ogra>  Current Test Install CD
[05:47] <ogra> 
[05:47] <ogra> 20060531.1 
[05:48] <cbx33> I used gisomount just now to mount an iso...and the icon popped up on the desktop :D
[05:48] <cbx33> how cool
[05:48] <LaserJock> cool
[05:48] <pygi> cbx33, joy :)
[05:48] <ogra> nice :)
[05:49] <LaserJock> we just need a nautilus browse button :-)
[05:49] <cbx33> yup
[05:49] <cbx33> that should be fairly simple
[05:49] <cbx33> just need to cater for those who don;t have nautilus
[05:49] <cbx33> then in user prefs, when we get there, it could have a place for you to write it in
[05:49] <cbx33> the command used to browse
[05:50] <cbx33> pygi, is that stuff ok?
[05:50] <cbx33> ogra, can you point me to your rsync script
[05:50] <cbx33> I shuld be able to rsync this one now
[05:50] <LaserJock> cbx33: dude just go to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/
[05:50] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/rsyncer.sh
[05:51] <LaserJock> all his goodies are in there ;-)
[05:51] <cbx33> sorry peeps
[05:51] <cbx33> oooh
[05:51] <pygi> cbx33, very nice, thanks
[05:51] <cbx33> good good
[05:51] <cbx33> needs clearning up
[05:51] <cbx33> but most of it's there
[05:51] <cbx33> just need to do adding applications
[05:51] <cbx33> what do you think about the png sizes
[05:52] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, and I didn't even mutate last night ;-)
[05:52] <cbx33> they have all been crushed
[05:52] <cbx33> heheheh
[05:53] <pygi> cbx33, nice size, no need to resize
[05:54] <cbx33> ok cool
[05:55] <cbx33> LaserJock, i dn;t want to bother ogra, so I 'll ak you
[05:55] <cbx33> :p
[05:55] <cbx33> do you use the rsyncer script?
[05:56] <cbx33> i created a fodler called edubuntu
[05:56] <LaserJock> right
[05:56] <cbx33> moved my dapper-install-i386.iso in there
[05:56] <cbx33> and ran
[05:56] <cbx33> rsyncer.sh --arch i386 --flavor install
[05:56] <cbx33> but it doesn't seem to have updated it
[05:56] <LaserJock> ./rsyncer.sh --help is good to
[05:56] <cbx33> what have i missed
[05:56] <cbx33> yeh hence where i got the info from
[05:56] <LaserJock> you sure it didn't update?
[05:57] <cbx33> well i just used gisomount to check the version
[05:57] <cbx33> and i got 20060530
[05:57] <cbx33> i should be 30.1
[05:57] <ogra> nope
[05:57] <ogra> 31.1
[05:57] <cbx33> sorry 31.1
[05:57] <ogra> :)
[05:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: hmm, I'd check the md5sum
[05:57] <cbx33> in any case I was looking for a .1
[05:57] <cbx33> ok
[05:58] <cbx33> LaserJock, I'm thinking of an md5sum tool too :p
[05:58] <cbx33> from within gisomount
[05:59] <LaserJock> that would be a cool feature
[05:59] <cbx33> hmmm it did update
[05:59] <cbx33> LaserJock, yeh
[05:59] <cbx33> we need a wiki
[05:59] <LaserJock> yep
[06:00] <pygi> cbx33, I just discovered bug in book
[06:00] <pygi> fixed :)
[06:00] <cbx33> the .disks info still shows the wrong version number
[06:00] <cbx33> pygi, ok
[06:00] <cbx33> ogra, can you confirm the .disk/info version number
[06:01] <ogra> at least on the amd64 CD i'm currently installing i can
[06:01] <ogra> 31.1
[06:04] <cbx33> well the sums match
[06:04] <cbx33> it synced incredibly quickly
[06:04] <cbx33> but the version number is wrong
[06:04] <cbx33> on the i386
[06:04] <ogra> from what did you sync ? which version
[06:04] <cbx33> 31
[06:04] <ogra> yes, thats a very fast sync :)
[06:05] <ogra> since that rebuild was amd64 only
[06:05] <ogra> so it might be that the contents of .disk/info for i386 didnt get updated
[06:05] <cbx33> ok
[06:05] <cbx33> so if the i386 is exactly the same
[06:06] <cbx33> do we need to test?
[06:06] <ogra> yes
[06:06] <cbx33> bear in mind I'm testing anyway :p
[06:06] <cbx33> just burning media
[06:07] <cbx33> pygi, so, what else do you need from me right now?
[06:07] <cbx33> I'm just gonna work up the installing applications section
[06:07] <pygi> cbx33, where is installing application section?
[06:07] <pygi> I don't see it?
[06:08] <cbx33> it's not done yet
[06:08] <cbx33> doing it now
[06:08] <pygi> cbx33, yes, we need to finish Part IV, and Part V
[06:08] <pygi> and thne proofreading
[06:08] <pygi> No, I mean where do you see that topic in worksheet?
[06:09] <cbx33> oh i didn't was going to add it
[06:09] <cbx33> seeing as it's a pretty important feature
[06:09] <pygi> cbx33, oki, add then pls :)
[06:10] <pygi> We need to proofread things today...If you dont have time cbx33, I'll do it
[06:11] <cbx33> pygi, I told you I have more time yet
[06:11] <pygi> cbx33, oki,oki :)
[06:11] <cbx33> I have about another 5 hours at least
[06:12] <cbx33> i told you I'm in for a penny in ofr a pound on this today
[06:12] <cbx33> I'm sorry I couldn't yesterday, but testing had to come first
[06:12] <pygi> erfg, why is this locked?
[06:12] <pygi> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Support%26Docs
[06:12] <pygi> no worries :)
[06:13] <cbx33> i can edit it
[06:13] <pygi> cbx33, we need to clone it to: wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Docs
[06:16] <cbx33> ok
[06:16] <cbx33> i think one of us should do that
[06:16] <cbx33> :p
[06:16] <cbx33> so we don't get confused :p
[06:17] <cbx33> how was the meeting
[06:17] <cbx33> pygi, you realise i wrote all of that content on the train home :p
[06:18] <cbx33> I'm just gonna do the app install doc now
[06:18] <pygi> cbx33, what meeting? :P
[06:18] <pygi> cbx33, yes, I do :)
[06:18] <pygi> cbx33, I can't do that considering the page is locked for me
[06:18] <cbx33> oh
[06:18] <LaserJock> cbx33: kinda weird
[06:18] <cbx33> I'll try saving a change
[06:19] <pygi> cbx33, we need to switch it to url I told you about :P
[06:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: it was sort of short mostly just chating about how ogra rocks the house.
[06:19] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:19] <cbx33> yeh he does
[06:19] <cbx33> how can i unlock a page?
[06:19] <cbx33> i can edit it it
[06:20] <cbx33> want me to move it?
[06:20] <pygi> cbx33, just copy the content, and copy it to the url
[06:20] <pygi> yup
[06:20] <cbx33> pygi, but where the are images...that makes it harder...
[06:21] <pygi> cbx33, ergh, images?
[06:21] <cbx33> which docs re you wanting to copy and paste across?
[06:23] <pygi> this one:
[06:23] <pygi> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Support%26Docs
[06:23] <pygi> here:
[06:23] <cbx33> just that one?
[06:23] <pygi> wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Docs
[06:23] <pygi> yup
[06:24] <pygi> all others are there already
[06:24] <cbx33> ok I'll do that
[06:24] <pygi> thanks
[06:24] <cbx33> Docs doesn't exist yet does it
[06:24] <cbx33> doesi t ?
[06:25] <pygi> cbx33, well that is the part of docs
[06:25] <pygi> that you need to copy :)
[06:26] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Docs
[06:26] <cbx33> that ok?
[06:33] <pygi> cbx33, yup, thanks :)
[06:48] <cbx33> pygi I'm just uploading the images for adding applications now
[06:48] <pygi> cbx33, nice
[06:54] <cbx33> I'm gonna go get some grub on :p
[06:54] <cbx33> back later dudes
[06:54] <cbx33> PPIIIZZZAAAAA !!!
[06:55] <cbx33> pygi, all the images are uploaded I'll write the content when i get back...
[06:55] <cbx33> then I'm all yours for anything else
[06:55] <cbx33> docbook proofing
[06:55] <pygi> cbx33, enjoy :)
[06:55] <cbx33> you name it
[06:55] <cbx33>  :p
[06:55] <cbx33> oh and ogra don't worry my friend...I havn't for gotten you
[06:55] <cbx33> I'm installing vmware as we speak
[06:55] <cbx33> sorry
[06:55] <cbx33> i mean i386 erase
[07:05] <highvoltage> boo!
[07:06] <pygi> highvoltage, you are learning boo? :)
[07:07] <bddebian> mwuhahaha
[07:28] <cbx33> boo!
[07:28] <pygi> cbx33, you learning boo also?
[07:28] <pygi> gah :)
[07:29] <cbx33> I've been learning boo for ages
[07:29] <cbx33> just didn;t know it was an accepted language here :p
[07:29] <cbx33> now leme try this
[07:29] <cbx33> Boo bo booo bo boo booo
[07:29] <cbx33> I think that's pygi how goes the cookbook
[07:30] <pygi> cbx33, hm? :)
[07:30] <cbx33> pygi, does HedgeMage still want us to proof that release ntice
[07:31] <pygi> cbx33, yup, but I think it's proofed enough
[07:31] <cbx33> ok
[07:32] <highvoltage> bddebian: nice evil laugh, btw
[07:33] <ogra> highvoltage, note that bddebian is the certified ubuntu-bugs boo master
[07:34] <cbx33> UBBM eh?
[07:38] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe we need a wiki page renaming ;-)
[07:39] <pygi> LaserJock, to "boo"? 
[07:39] <ogra> merge the all in one and call it boo ?
[07:39] <ogra> *them
[07:39] <crimsun> maybe we need howtos sprinkled across the wiki for boo
[07:39] <pygi> ogra, you took my idea :(
[07:39] <LaserJock> BddebianIsAGod -> BddebianIsTheBooMaster
[07:40] <ogra> pygi, sorry, its my plagiatism day 
[07:40] <LaserJock> quick somebody write the spec!
[07:42] <LaserJock> highvoltage: it isn't very well advertised. It could use a fridge post or something
[07:43] <LaserJock> perhaps even a forum thread
[07:44] <LaserJock> hmm, I'll probably need to add a Boo section to the Bugs chapter of the Packaging Guide
[07:47] <ogra> "how boo's correlate with hugs"
[07:48] <lucasvo> ogra: whats willow, I didn't find anything on the web
[07:49] <ogra> digitallumber.com
[07:49] <lucasvo> ty
[07:49] <LaserJock> I just got called LoserJock in -bugs ! :-)
[07:49] <highvoltage> s
[07:50] <highvoltage> ogra: you sound refreshed, did you get some sleep in?
[07:50] <cbx33> Oh Boo
[07:50] <ogra> nah
[07:50] <ogra> no sleep for me
[07:50] <cbx33> ah...for boos sake
[07:51] <highvoltage> no rest for the wicked :)
[07:51] <cbx33> booing hell
[07:51] <cbx33> ogra, isn't wicked
[07:51] <LaserJock> it's the new crack ;-)
[07:51] <cbx33> he's just challenged on the whole good and evil things :p
[07:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: in south africa, 'wicked' is like another slang word for 'awesome', and 'cool'
[07:51] <highvoltage> cbx33: so 'no rest for the wicked' has many meanings :)
[07:51] <LaserJock> highvoltage: in the eastern us too
[07:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: wicked!
[07:52] <cbx33> well yeh
[07:52] <cbx33> in fact you're heard me use it several times in here
[07:52] <cbx33> but in that context
[07:52] <cbx33> I'd take wicked to mean bad/evil :p
[07:52] <pygi> cbx33, what do you think? Can we manage docbook as well today?
[07:52] <pygi> After we finish writing?
[07:52] <cbx33> pygi, we can give it a shot
[07:52] <LaserJock> my cousins on the west coast use "hella" or "hecka" instead of "wicked"
[07:53] <pygi> cbx33, I know I'll be up all night to do it :)
[07:53] <cbx33> LaserJock, heheh
[07:53] <cbx33> ok...adding applications :D
[07:54] <cbx33> what group is it that you add people too on edubuntu to give them sudo rights
[07:54] <highvoltage> admin
[07:54] <cbx33> visudo is setup to give everyone in a group sudo rights
[07:54] <cbx33> thought so
[07:54] <cbx33> thanks highvoltage 
[07:55] <cbx33> anyone got a rough package count for universe?
[07:56] <LaserJock> just a sec
[07:56] <lucasvo> ogra: what should we do about the non standard port for ssh?
[07:56] <lucasvo> implement a new option? :)
[07:56] <ogra> yes
[07:57] <lucasvo> maybe SSH_PORT = ""
[07:57] <ogra> yes
[07:57] <lucasvo> should I reply and confirm?
[07:57] <ogra> as a whishlist bug, yes
[07:57] <LaserJock> cbx33: oh wait, I have a source package count (4692), not binary package count
[07:58] <LaserJock> the binary package count is quite a bit higher
[07:58] <cbx33> lucasvo, is this in LTSP?
[07:58] <ogra> lucasvo, also tell him he's doing really great with his first "linux bugreport" :)
[07:58] <ogra> (such people need encouragement)
[07:59] <lucasvo> ok
[08:00] <cbx33> :)
[08:00] <cbx33> lucasvo, me too
[08:00] <cbx33> man to think that was only 2 months ago
[08:00] <cbx33> I've only been with edubuntu 2 months
[08:00] <cbx33> :D
[08:00] <pygi> cbx33, I will be back in two hours
[08:00] <cbx33> yikes
[08:00] <cbx33> where ya goin?
[08:00] <cbx33> I'll finish up apps
[08:00] <cbx33> and proof what ?
[08:01] <cbx33> then we can start docbook
[08:01] <cbx33> unless you have some ready for me to convert
[08:01] <pygi> cbx33, we need to finish writing
[08:01] <cbx33> ok
[08:01] <pygi> part IV and part V need finishing
[08:01] <pygi> all that HedgeMage didnt had time to do it
[08:01] <pygi> then proofing
[08:01] <pygi> then Doc
[08:02] <LaserJock> cbx33: what are you going to docbook from?
[08:03] <cbx33> moin
[08:03] <LaserJock> ah
[08:03] <LaserJock> what version of moin?
[08:03] <cbx33> the one on wiki
[08:03] <LaserJock> oh, wiki.ubuntu.com?
[08:04] <cbx33> yes
[08:04] <LaserJock> oh joy
[08:04] <pygi> cbx33, can you tackle those chapters that need finishing?
[08:04] <LaserJock> how are you going to convert it?
[08:05] <cbx33> I can try
[08:05] <cbx33> by hand LaserJock 
[08:05] <cbx33> by hand
[08:05] <pygi> thanks, I'll try to get back ASAP
[08:05] <cbx33> np
[08:06] <LaserJock> cbx33: ack, how much do you need to do?
[08:06] <cbx33> a lot
[08:06] <cbx33> but the content needs finishing first
[08:07] <cbx33> as pygi stated
[08:08] <LaserJock> I can convert to docbook while your asleep tonight, if you want
[08:08] <LaserJock> I've got a personal install of moin 1.5.3 that has the "render as docbook" that should at least get it started
[08:08] <cbx33> LaserJock, that'd be great if we get all the content done and proofed by then
[08:08] <cbx33> :D
[08:09] <cbx33> LaserJock, you're a genius
[08:09] <cbx33> Boo to you
[08:11] <lucasvo> what rian rousseaus nick?
[08:12] <lucasvo> He should look at LAMS
[08:12] <cbx33> hi lucasvo how goes the journal?
[08:13] <lucasvo> cbx33: on hold
[08:13] <lucasvo> I was away with school for 2 days
[08:13] <cbx33> ah
[08:13] <lucasvo> I have another project which has priority, some commercial stuff
[08:13] <lucasvo> and I have lots of exams
[08:14] <pawsilver> Hi there can anyone help me?  Edubuntu doesn't want to load on my pc???  Its a brand new P4 Asus MB and an ATA serial HDD, it loads the live version and when i click on install it goes through the 1st screens and when it hits partitioning drives it hangs???
[08:15] <lucasvo> pawsilver: which version of Edubuntu do you have?
[08:15] <cbx33> ogra, are you still editing Testing
[08:15] <lucasvo> recent RC?
[08:15] <cbx33> you can fill me in for erase on install cd
[08:15] <ogra> cbx33, saved
[08:16] <pawsilver> the latest beta release
[08:16] <ogra> there were plenty partitioner bugs until very recently 
[08:16] <ogra> you should grab something newer, a lot of live installer bugs were fixed
[08:16] <cbx33> i can edit now ogra ?
[08:16] <ogra> yes
[08:16] <highvoltage> it's a good thing dapper wasn't released 6 weeks ago.
[08:17] <lucasvo> ogra: this guy replies fast :)
[08:17] <lucasvo> highvoltage: yes
[08:17] <pawsilver> Its Edubuntu F8
[08:17] <lucasvo> pawsilver: or make a bugreport and use the manual install
[08:17] <pawsilver> how do I do that?
[08:18] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060531/
[08:18] <ogra> this is very likely to become our final release CD, take that
[08:19] <LaserJock> is mdz sick?
[08:19] <cbx33> ogra, I'm gonna do workstation freespace now
[08:19] <ogra> LaserJock, yep
[08:19] <cbx33> then hopefully a resize
[08:20] <ogra> doing a release in a hotel and being sick ... 
[08:20] <crimsun> mdz's a trooper
[08:20] <cbx33> indeed
[08:20] <ogra> well, i bet he had preferred sitting at hime
[08:20] <ogra> *home
[08:21] <LaserJock> hmm, I always got sick about the time of finals
[08:21] <LaserJock> stress does it to me
[08:21] <LaserJock> I'm guessing lack off sleep also contributed
[08:21] <lucasvo> he has a funny name Rich Stillman almost like Richard Stallman
[08:22] <highvoltage> ogra: I thought the KK George IS his new home :)
[08:22] <ogra> haha
[08:22] <ogra> its a nice house, but i wouldnt want to live there :)
[08:22] <crimsun> finals were my favourite time, because I actually got /more/ sleep than during the semester running around like a drunken chicken with assignments and so on
[08:23] <cbx33> me had 4 hours sleep for like a year through uni
[08:23] <cbx33> including finals
[08:23] <cbx33> 4 hours every night
[08:23] <LaserJock> ughh, I have to do 8, finals or not
[08:23] <crimsun> 4 hours/night was my freshman year. I think it got much worse after that.
[08:24] <LaserJock> it would depend on the hotel I suppose ;-)
[08:24] <highvoltage> although, that hotel has very, very nice bandwidth. i might just compromise for that hotel :(
[08:24] <highvoltage> s/:(/:)
[08:24] <ogra> its great
[08:24] <ogra> ... as a hotel ...
[08:26] <highvoltage> yep.
[08:26] <highvoltage> ugh. i wish i could listen to ogra and burn my cd's at 8x.
[08:27] <cbx33> w00t the pig just peed :D
[08:27] <highvoltage> the pig? you have a pig?
[08:27] <cbx33> sorry guys one of our guinea pigs is sick
[08:27] <highvoltage> aah
[08:28] <cbx33> but we've nursing her better
[08:28] <crimsun> oh, I thought you were referring to an edubuntu install
[08:28] <crimsun> *mutter* lack of sleep
[08:29] <cbx33> hehe we understand crimsun 
[08:36] <cbx33> phew another chaper done
[08:36] <cbx33> I'm beat
[08:44] <Burgwork> highvoltage, after dapper releases, I would love to write a case study on Edubuntu with you
[08:45] <highvoltage> Burgwork: great, there are other people who would be interested too. I'm forced to collaborate more and more these days due to time restraints
[08:45] <highvoltage> although I must admit, i'm getting better at it, and enjoying it more :)
[08:46] <cbx33> good for you highvoltage 
[08:47] <Burgwork> I think it would be good to get three or four case studies on Edubuntu produced
[08:47] <cbx33> and packaging
[08:47] <cbx33> Burgwork, that's a good idea
[08:47] <cbx33> assuming I'm still at the school I'd happily write one
[08:49] <cbx33> highvoltage, LOL at someone spelling your nick and name wrong :p
[08:49] <highvoltage> cbx33: i get that all the time, and it really makes me angry, hence http://jonathancarter.co.za/files/jonathan.pdf
[08:50] <highvoltage> cbx33: that howto was made for a guy in my office who kept spelling my name "Johnathon"
[08:50] <highvoltage> grrr
[08:51] <cbx33> heheh
[09:32] <highvoltage> ogra: Ping
[09:32] <highvoltage> ogra: please see -devel for last 2 minutes
[09:33] <cbx33> ogra, 3 test's completed
[09:33] <cbx33> on my last one for today
[09:59] <pygi> cbx33, poke
[09:59] <cbx33> hey pygi
[10:00] <cbx33> i finished up my sections that I was working
[10:00] <cbx33> then my brain melted
[10:00] <pygi> hm?
[10:00] <cbx33> and i started to write pure crap
[10:00] <highvoltage> hey cbx33, it's going well thanks :)
[10:00] <cbx33> adding applicatiosn is done
[10:00] <pygi> cbx33, oki, lemme see
[10:00] <cbx33> good good
[10:02] <pygi> cbx33, where is that Installing thingy?
[10:03] <cbx33> explain?
[10:03] <cbx33> adding applications
[10:03] <cbx33> it's under administation
[10:05] <pygi> nice cbx33 
[10:05] <pygi> will we tackle the other things now?
[10:06] <cbx33> i can try 
[10:06] <cbx33> need proofing?
[10:06] <cbx33> i can't proof my own stuff
[10:06] <cbx33> and i think my brain is shot for writing now
[10:06] <pygi> cbx33, no worries, I'll proof your stuff
[10:06] <pygi> hm,okies
[10:06] <pygi> let's go proofing now,and write later
[10:06] <cbx33> LaserJock, said he may be able to do some docbook for us overnight
[10:06] <pygi> I saw it
[10:07] <pygi> I'll be up all night to finish this
[10:07] <pygi> ok, let's go
[10:07] <pygi> you proof Part I, I'll proof Part II
[10:07] <pygi> write a "Note: explanation" what you thinks needs changing, bla, bla :)
[10:07] <pygi> oki?
[10:07] <cbx33> ok will do
[10:09] <cbx33> pygi, the work of two people :p
[10:09] <pygi> cbx33, hm?
[10:09] <pygi> yes, currently only me and you work, but eh :)
[10:09] <cbx33> hehee
[10:10] <pygi> what's funny? :P
[10:10] <cbx33> "Here you see the result of tremendous effort of two people:"
[10:10] <pygi> lol, yes, indeed
[10:10] <pygi> change that :)
[10:10] <cbx33> hehe
[10:10] <cbx33> ok
[10:10] <pygi> our writers
[10:10] <cbx33> I'll note it
[10:11] <pygi> oki
[10:14] <cbx33> in part two of chapter I
[10:14] <cbx33> ther are a lot of references to Ubuntu
[10:15] <cbx33> as opposed to edubuntu
[10:15] <cbx33> is this right?
[10:15] <cbx33> pygi, ?
[10:16] <pygi> make a note on that, I'll see whats with that
[10:16] <cbx33> ok
[10:27] <cbx33> no need to proof part III seeing as I wrote some of it before and proofed it ages ago
[10:27] <cbx33> it's from eSA isn't it
[10:27] <cbx33> as well as difference
[10:27] <pygi> cbx33, hm,oki
[10:28] <cbx33> I've proofed it anyway
[10:28] <cbx33> :p
[10:28] <cbx33> as I will do with part IV
[10:28] <pygi> cbx33, part IV is proofed
[10:28] <pygi> we just need to write the rest
[10:29] <cbx33> wanna look at my notes in part I and II
[10:29] <cbx33> just finisheing Part IV
[10:29] <pygi> cbx33, oki, will look notes
[10:29] <pygi> you look notes in Part II also
[10:29] <pygi> I wrote some for you
[10:31] <cbx33> ok
[10:33] <cbx33> ogra, you got two secs
[10:33] <cbx33> if you do an apt-get upgrade on an ltsp chroot
[10:34] <cbx33> doe it update kerneels by default?
[10:34] <ogra> yes, inside the chroot
[10:34] <ogra> but noit the netboot kernel
[10:34] <ogra> so ltsp wont boot
[10:38] <pygi> cbx33, you should correct this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/Philosophy
[10:38] <pygi> I don't really get what you mean with two same sections
[10:38] <pygi> altought I agree there is some overlap
[10:39] <cbx33> they are practically identifal
[10:39] <pygi> identical with what?
[10:39] <pygi> those 2 sections in the chapter?
[10:40] <pygi> cbx33, hm, change as you feel appropriate
[10:40] <cbx33> ok
[10:44] <pygi> cbx33, we may use wallpappers from here for Artwork thingy
[10:44] <pygi> http://edubuntu.org/Screenshots
[10:44] <cbx33> yeh
[11:03] <cbx33> pygi, just spoken with mdke, he's asked if we could tag all cookbook with categorydoucmentation
[11:03] <cbx33> as per the doc move tomorrow
[11:03] <pygi> hm, where is doc moving?
[11:05] <pygi> cbx33, If that would help him, we could probably do it, altought I am currently not sure how to do that (never did that here :P)
[11:06] <cbx33> pygi, literally just add CategoryDocumentation to the bottom of every page
[11:07] <pygi> that should be no problem if it'll help him
[11:07] <cbx33> yes it will help us both :p
[11:07] <cbx33> want me to do it ?
[11:07] <pygi> cbx33, where is doc gonna be tranfered?
[11:07] <pygi> Nah, I can do it
[11:07] <pygi> you proceed with writing missing pieces in part V
[11:08] <cbx33> pygi, I can't now, I'm wiped out....
[11:08] <cbx33> been testing isos too :p
[11:08] <pygi> cbx33, eh, we need that finished :(
[11:08] <pygi> cbx33, ok, at least the Artwork stuff, I'll finish the rest?
[11:08] <pygi> and add those CategoryDocumentation stuff
[11:09] <cbx33> I'll add the category doc
[11:09] <cbx33> requires little thinking
[11:10] <cbx33> pygi, what is all this stuff https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook?
[11:10] <pygi> cbx33, that's "junk"
[11:11] <cbx33> define "junk"
[11:11] <pygi> well, obsolete, very lill' written by some people who I wouldnt know, etc
[11:12] <pygi> basicly, all can be deleted
[11:13] <LaserJock> you might want to be a little careful with the delete button :-)
[11:13] <cbx33> yeh
[11:13] <pygi> LaserJock, I am careful :)
[11:13] <LaserJock> pygi: the pages will end up on help.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <pygi> LaserJock, whatever you want :)
[11:18] <LaserJock> well, there is a fair amount of material there
[11:18] <cbx33> LaserJock, indeed
[11:19] <pygi> LaserJock, cbx33, as I said... do whatever you feel is appropriate :)
[11:32] <LaserJock> is this what you guys are working on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/ ?
[11:33] <pygi> LaserJock, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet
[11:35] <LaserJock> hmm /Worksheet looks almost done but /Chapters has a lot of missing links
[11:36] <pygi> LaserJock, /Chapters may be erased
[11:37] <pygi> LaserJock, so please do that :)
[11:49] <pygi> Amaranth, doing some /cycle? :)
[11:50] <Amaranth> doing some "weird wireless connection"