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goldenearnop12:06
goldenearit is said that my computer support ACPI but the support is only partial12:07
goldenearalso, I can get the little battery icon in the systray12:07
Lureno "Setup Helper Application" button?12:07
goldenearnop12:07
Luregoldenear: can or can't?12:07
goldenearcan't* sorry12:08
Lureklaptopdaemon is lot's of old unmaintained code which was dirty hacked to somehow work with Ubuntu power management (suspend/hibernate)12:09
goldenearbut I guess, as its name suggests it, klaptopdaemon only works on laptop12:09
goldenearI'm using a *desktop* computer12:09
Luregoldenear: did you try powersave?12:09
Lure(which has own power management which is sometimes better than ubuntu, but in some cases also worse)12:10
goldenearLure: klaptop_acpi_helper --suspend (in a shell) works12:10
Lure(but looks nincer)12:10
Luregoldenear: interesting... try system settings again - it may give you more options now...12:10
goldenearnop12:10
goldenearstill the same message about my computer not completly supporting ACPI12:11
Lureprobably klaptopdaemon want something from /proc/acpi/* that is not there on your desktop...12:11
goldenearI think it's the battery12:11
goldenearas I oubviously don't have one :)12:12
Luregoldenear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave12:12
goldenearto suspend my computer I use klaptop_acpi_helper --suspend (I have made an icon/shortcut for this on kicker)12:13
goldenearand it works well12:13
goldenearLure: I've tried Kpowersave12:13
Luregoldenear: that might be good workaround for the time being12:14
goldenearkpowersave seems to work well and correctly display an icon in the systray12:14
LureI hope we can improve PM & laptop support for edgy (when it is clear what kernel support and ubuntu PM changes can we expect)12:14
goldenearbut when I suspend the computer, it fails to waikup12:15
Luregoldenear: you would probably need to fine-tune powersave - it has all/most options as Ubuntu PM, just that ubuntu acpi-support defaults are better12:16
goldenearor more precisely it wakes up but the screen stay blank and the computer is hanged12:16
Luregoldenear: are your sure it hanged? does switching consoles (Ctlr-Alt-F1/Ctrl-Alt-F7) help? (this is what acpi-support does)12:17
goldenearyes I'm sure12:18
goldenearno way to switch consoles12:19
goldeneareven the ALT-SYST trick doesn't work12:19
goldenearMay be I have not installed kpowersave properly12:20
goldenearI just did apt-get install kpowersave12:20
Luregoldenear: not much to do wrong with installation, just default config is sub-optimal12:20
goldenearso it removes klaptopdaemon and install powersave12:20
Lureexactly12:21
goldenearon the URL you've given to me it's said that many orther things have to be removed12:22
Lurepowersave conflicts with powernowd, this is why it has to be removed (together with klaptop)12:22
goldenearLure: "Dapper Universe currently have old version of of kpowersave ([WWW]  0.5.2-1ubuntu1) and powersave ([WWW]  0.11.2-1). The problem is that these packages cannot be installed if conflicting packages (powernowd, cpudyn, cpufreqd, apmd) are not deinstalled first. Since powernowd and ampd are required by *-desktop packages (including kubuntu-desktop), this means that your *-desktop package has to be removed (together with powern12:23
goldenearcceptable for regular users."12:23
Luregoldenear: yes, and they are - if you want to go back, just remove (with purge) *powersave* and install kubuntu-desktop again12:23
Luregoldenear: this is not true anymore - I have to update the page to be clear (this was only plan to update KPS and make better packages(12:24
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Lurewiki changed12:28
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goldenearLure: can I remove acpid ?12:35
goldenearor is it need by kpowersave ?12:35
Lurenot really - it distributes acpi events to multiple sources (including powersaved)12:36
Lurenot sure who else is also using it12:36
Lureat least laptop-mode-tools and apci-support depend on it12:37
Lureso no12:37
Luregoodnight12:37
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tomaRiddell: ping12:52
tomaunping12:59
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Riddelltoma: unpong01:16
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goldenearkpowersave still crashes my computer :(01:41
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goldenearRiddell: do you plan to rebuild soon a package for amarok 1.4 fixing the splashcreen bug ?01:48
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Hobbseehi all09:28
freeflying|awayhi Hobbsee 09:30
Hobbseehi freeflying|away 09:31
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nixternal`zzzgood night all09:54
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:Riddell] : T - 1 | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseRadar | Buglist at https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings Tue 6th 21:00UTC
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AlinuxOSHello Riddell, is now Georgian (ka) language supported in Kubuntu?12:37
Riddellyes, should be12:38
AlinuxOSRiddell, great.12:38
AlinuxOSI'm Ubuntu user..but I remember that some time ago there was no georgian pacakge for KDE georgian ocalisation.12:39
seaLneno kde-i18n-ka that i can see12:41
Riddelllanguage-pack-kde-ka-base should fill up as people add translations12:41
AlinuxOSRiddell, so it must work12:42
AlinuxOSif an user use georgian ka locale...12:42
AlinuxOShe must see translated programs in georgian. rigth?12:42
seaLneRiddell: has much changed with ubiquity/qtparted that might explain why i'm not getting partitioning errors with todays image?12:43
Riddelldon't think so, only change is for brazillia and chinese languages12:44
seaLneohwell :)12:47
Riddelldon't complain :)12:47
seaLneit was a strange problem to start with12:47
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Hobbsee|awayhi all01:02
Hobbsee|awayhmm...looks like they were awake01:03
Riddellwho?01:04
\shwhen?01:04
Hobbsee|awayyou all, before.01:05
Hobbsee|awaydont worry - i dont think i'm supposed to make sense terribly often.  especially not when i'm purple.01:05
seaLnetoo much ribena?01:06
Hobbsee|awayhaha no - too much cold water, with the dinner.  and it's almost winter here anyway.  and i'm thin :(01:06
seaLneits finally behaving like summer here01:10
MidMarkis it really planned for tomorrow final release or there is some major bug?01:11
RiddellMidMark: it'll happen01:12
MidMarkRiddell: Great!01:12
Riddellalthough it would happen faster if the cdimage server was rsyncing at a useful speed01:13
MidMarkRiddell: if someone review kubuntu, in italian, is it possible to link the review in your home-page or not? Italian kubuntu doesn't exist right?01:16
Riddellso far I've not listed reviews on the site01:20
Riddellbut I might start doing so01:20
HobbseeseaLne: lucky!01:22
RiddellseaLne: to be fair, it is still spring :)01:23
imbrandonits nice and summer here ( 90+ f ) for some weeks now01:24
imbrandon;)01:24
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seaLneRiddell: summers nearly over :)01:27
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AlinuxOS:)01:28
Hobbseeimbrandon: where are you again?01:28
AlinuxOSTommorow Dapper Drake 6.06!01:28
imbrandonok i got a semi weird issue, i created a software raid 0 setup in another computer a while back ( with 2 drives total ) and later decided to pull the hdd's out and use them in other computers, now one of those drives is in this system ( a 40gb pata ) with one large ext3 partition ( mounted on /storage ) problem is on boot it still shows the md0 devices when it sees the drive and tries to look for the old second drive, cfdisk and fdisk don01:29
imbrandon, how do i get rid of it ? ( the /storage ext3 mount it useable but boot still sees the md0 no where else )01:29
imbrandonHobbsee, Kansas City , Missouri , USA ( About Dead center of the USA both east/west and north/south )01:29
Hobbseeah yes01:29
imbrandonyour down under somewwheres right ;)01:30
Hobbseehehe01:30
Hobbseeyes, sydney01:30
imbrandonyea i knew AU just wasent sure where ;)01:30
imbrandonanyone know how i can get rid of that md0 device without loosing the data / ext 3 partition preferably but anyway would be helpfull ( i CAN backup the data and reput it on there if needed )01:32
imbrandononly way i can think of is like i said cfdisk or fdisk but neither see it ( the debian installer partitioner see's it but dopsent seem to remove it )01:33
Riddelluse an alternative text install CD to play around with removing LVM partitions01:34
imbrandonkk just incase that dosent work , does a low level format remove the partition table ?01:34
Riddellthat would be a low level format01:35
imbrandonkk01:35
kwwiimoin01:38
Hobbseehi kwwii 01:38
kwwiiRiddell: release pic is in the works01:38
kwwiihowdy Hobbsee01:38
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imbrandonheya kwwii01:39
jeroenvrphik fellows01:39
kwwiiif anyone wants to see the oxygen icons, check out kde SVN :-)01:39
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jeroenvrpless than 10 and a half hours to release :-)01:40
kwwiihehe01:40
imbrandonkwwii, what dir/branch ( going to go look at the web svn )01:40
imbrandonouch01:41
kwwiithems fighting words01:41
Hobbseekwwii: i defenestrated him.  end of problem.01:41
kwwiiplayground/artwork/Oxygen01:41
Hobbseekwwii: ooh!  *goes to look*01:41
kwwiifor now we only put the SVGs there (it is a pure SVG theme)01:42
kwwiiso to actually use them snag the script in the "Ken" dir01:43
kwwiiand run it in the SVG dir01:43
imbrandonsvg dir ?01:44
kwwiiartwork/Oxygen/theme/svg01:44
kwwiithe script is in artwork/Oxygen/Ken01:45
kwwiibut it is just a quick hack01:45
Hobbseekwwii: pretty!01:45
kwwii:-)01:45
Hobbseecan we actually use these icons now?  is that what you're discussing?01:45
kwwiithere are not really enough of them to actually use in a decent manner, but if you wanna see them in action you can install them01:46
kwwiiwe have pretty much everything for kontact, for instance01:46
Hobbseemm okay01:46
imbrandonlookin good man ;)01:47
kwwiithanks :-)01:47
MidMarkRiddell: italian language is under live-cd? I haven't seen it in kubuntu-meta01:49
Hobbseekwwii: mm...very pretty...any ETA as to when most of the icons will be done, so we can start using them?01:49
Hobbseei know we can use them now, and crystal icons just replace the ones that arent there..01:49
kwwiiyes, exatly01:50
kwwiis/exatly/exactly01:50
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Hobbseei cant believe we're this close to release already.02:39
Hobbseeseems like breezy wasnt released that long ago02:40
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kwwiiHobbsee: and when I read that edgy will be released in 4 months I was somewhat suprised02:47
Hobbseekwwii: oh yeah, guess it will be...02:47
MidMarkedgy is dapper+1?02:47
HobbseeMidMark: yes02:47
MidMarkwow02:47
Hobbseekwwii: about time to test kde3.5.4, and maybe some of those oxygen icons?  :P02:47
raphinkhehe02:48
raphinkhow are the oxygen icons going btw kwwii?02:48
MidMarkis there some screenshot to view them?02:48
kwwiiHobbsee: that was my plan, actually :-)02:48
Hobbseekwwii: yay!02:49
raphinkhehe02:49
raphink3.5.4 ?02:49
raphinkwhere is 3.5.3 ?02:49
Hobbseeraphink: scheduled for july, is .402:49
Hobbseeraphink: q on the quiet, but it's actually more or less out - just not officially yet02:49
raphinkok02:50
kwwiihi raphink02:50
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raphinkhi kwwii02:50
raphinknice to see you02:50
kwwiigood that you are back :-)02:50
Hobbseeraphink: you can have the dapper repo if you want it - we were testing it yesterday, but were told to keep it quiet :P02:51
raphinkkwwii: well I'm not really back :s02:51
raphinkkwwii: I don't know when I'll have my internet connection02:51
raphinkmaybe in 2 weeks or so02:51
raphinkmaybe even more :(02:51
raphinkHobbsee: I'm glad I can have it ;)02:51
raphinkhehe02:51
MidMarkOxygen icons isn't? -> http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?cat=302:51
kwwiiMidMark: yepp02:53
kwwiiraphink: did you move?02:53
raphinkkwwii: yes02:53
kwwiiraphink: cause of a new job?02:53
raphinkkwwii: cause a job ;)02:53
raphinkat all02:53
raphinkI had no job02:53
raphink:)02:53
raphinknow I've got one02:54
kwwiilucky you!02:54
raphinkhehe :)02:54
kwwiiI am currently unemployed as well02:54
kwwiiwell, my small contract with canonical runs out tomorrow02:55
raphinkargh :02:55
Hobbsee:(02:56
Hobbseekwwii: i suppose it's bad to ask, but are you to do the edgy graphics as well?02:57
kwwiiHobbsee: until now, no02:57
kwwiibut I would love to :-)02:57
Hobbseedarn :(02:57
kwwiiwell, either way I will still work on oxygen :-)03:04
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Riddellkwwii: still in portugal?03:06
kwwiiRiddell: yepp, going home tomorrow03:07
kwwiifor now, I am going for lunch03:07
Hobbseeright, killed off any spare hobbsee's hanging around?03:07
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Riddellkwwii: are you going to make any kind of announcement like a dot story?03:15
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Riddellhello |evilelf| 03:15
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bddebianHowdy03:20
Riddellafternoon bddebian 03:20
bddebianHello Riddell03:21
Hobbseeafternoon?03:22
Hobbseeguess it is there.03:22
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faboRiddell: you can't do anything for kvpnc ?03:29
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Hobbseefabo: if siretart's talking about the same thing in -motu, no03:30
faborah :(03:30
Riddellfabo: what needs done?03:33
fabosync with debian, nothing new (maybe a wizard), just bug fixes, but siretart tells me right now that dapper is closed03:35
fabohttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kvpnc/+bug/4767403:35
UbugtuMalone bug 47674 in kvpnc "UVF exception request for kvpnc" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  03:35
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Riddellfabo: yes, dapper is closed03:41
fabotoo late... my mistake :(03:42
freeflying|awayRiddell: kubuntu dapper is all right now?03:43
Riddellfreeflying|away: we're testing the final images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060531/03:43
seaLnethe install i tried earlier off the live cd went fine03:43
=== apokryphos tests
freeflying|awayRiddell: alternate cd is ok?03:43
RiddellseaLne: please add to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current03:44
RiddellseaLne: and if you can test DVDs too that would be great03:45
Riddellfreeflying|away: that needs testing too03:45
Riddellbut desktop CD is in general more important03:45
seaLneRiddell: about to install on a t60 aswell03:45
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apokryphosa dvd is still being released? What does that have?03:45
apokryphosjust more packs, I guess03:46
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Riddellapokryphos: we've always done dvds, it has all of desktop + ship + supported03:46
Riddelllive install and text install on one disk03:46
apokryphosoh I see03:46
HobbseeRiddell: when's 3.5.3 out officially?03:46
apokryphosRiddell: I've only got chance to test one I think (exam tomorrow) -- any particular one I should go for?03:47
RiddellHobbsee: not sure, coolo asked me for download page today so soon I guess03:47
Riddellapokryphos: live DVD?03:47
Hobbseeargh!03:47
apokryphosok cool03:47
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apokryphoshm, just realised I have no blank CDs anyhow, so that's good 8)03:48
imbrandonheh03:48
Riddellif anyone has a sparc, hppa or ia32 testing those CDs would be very welcome03:48
seaLnegrr stupid table03:50
seaLnecrash when partitioning on t60 :(03:55
jeroenvrpRiddell: I see you are the maintainer of kde-systemsettings03:56
jeroenvrpRiddell: why is are the file associations not included in systemsettings?03:56
apokryphosjeroenvrp: they're in Konqueror03:56
jeroenvrpapokryphos: yes I know, but they are also in kcontrol and thats great because all is in one place03:57
apokryphosdecision was made to move them out because there was a duplication of effort03:57
jeroenvrpapokryphos: thats a shame, because I always used it in kcontrol03:58
apokryphostbh organisation of kcontrol isn't really perfect, but then again it's not easy. Not so obvious always whether one thing should belong to the app or to the control center03:58
jeroenvrpapokryphos: but the associations are not konqueror-specific03:58
jeroenvrpthey are user-wide03:58
jeroenvrpe.g. kmail03:58
apokryphosyeah, it goes through kfmclient or whatever03:59
jeroenvrpapokryphos: yes I understand, but the user thinks kmail or knode or whatever03:59
apokryphosIndeed, I probably agree with you04:00
imbrandonRiddell, which sparc cd needs testing i can test it real fast04:00
jeroenvrpapokryphos: hopefully it will come back04:00
apokryphosjeroenvrp: well, not for dapper at least04:00
jeroenvrpbeter a duplication, thans something you can't find04:00
jeroenvrpapokryphos: well maybe if you say its a bug :-)04:00
apokryphosnope04:01
jeroenvrpmmm04:01
jeroenvrpthats a shame04:01
apokryphosdapper's gone (it's being released tomorrow)04:02
jeroenvrpbut I wil comply :-)04:02
apokryphosjeroenvrp: file out a launchpad bug entry though, if you like04:02
jeroenvrpapokryphos: yes I know, I was talking about dapper-updates04:02
apokryphosperhaps, yes04:03
jeroenvrpwe wil see04:03
jeroenvrpits not that important04:03
kwwiiRiddell: we are going to update our website, and then we can make an announcement04:06
Riddellimbrandon: cool04:23
Riddellimbrandon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20060531/04:23
Riddellimbrandon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/20060531.2/04:24
RiddellI have zero idea if those will work04:24
seaLneweird: Bug #4768804:24
UbugtuMalone bug 47688 in ubiquity "ubiquity crash during kubuntu install after selecting manual partitioning" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4768804:24
RiddellseaLne: I'm not sure if that's a partman or qtparted problem04:28
RiddellseaLne: does qtparted run ok standalone?04:29
seaLneRiddell: did you see my comment about the weird partition it invented? moved to qtparted btw04:30
LureseaLne: some kind of IBM recovery partition?04:31
seaLnethat overlaps and dosen't show in fdisk?04:31
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LureseaLne: I think it may get confused due to the gap between sda1 and sda2 (gap of 1848-4866)04:35
jjessejust curious if anyone here saw that email about documentation for SCIM and can help me out more with some how-tos and stuff04:35
seaLneLure: there isn't a gap04:36
Lureaccording to fdisk -l it is... and sda-1 in qtparted is also a gap04:36
Lure(marked as free)04:36
seaLneoh you are right04:37
Lurenot sure why this would cause crash though....04:37
seaLnesda1 is a sysprepped windows image04:39
LureRiddell: should we start collecting known problems w/ workarounds?04:40
Lurelike bug 42965 and bug 3105504:40
UbugtuMalone bug 42965 in kdeprint "Can't add a printer in KDE: parser error?" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4296504:40
UbugtuMalone bug 31055 in kdelibs "Konqueror crash on cliking on one web site" [Unknown,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3105504:40
seaLneLure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems04:40
Lureok, will add them there as I expect it may get reported by many people04:40
seaLneLure: except i don't think that second one sounds like it would effect everyone04:40
imbrandonLure, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems04:41
imbrandonwhoops too late ;)04:41
LureseaLne: it will effect everyone trying to play real media streams... goldenear and Tonio_ know more...04:41
seaLneah fair enough the subject didn't sound like it, sorry :)04:41
kwwiiok, here is my first idea: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-idea1.png04:47
Luregoldenear: do you have now fixed version of profilerc that should be put in /usr/share to fix real media streaming crash? Can you attach it to bug 31055?04:47
UbugtuMalone bug 31055 in kdelibs "Konqueror crash on cliking on one web site" [Unknown,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/3105504:47
Riddellkwwii: dood, you rock too much04:47
=== pygi looks what kwwii did this time :)
kwwiidamn it, I did it again04:48
pygikwwii, nice :)04:48
seaLnekind of flying through space effect :)04:48
Hobbseekwwii: pretty!04:48
seaLnewhere is that image to be used?04:48
seaLnewith usplash?04:49
pygikwwii, what do you think about the things I sent you for the one who wanna help you with Oxygen thingy?04:50
pygiseaLne, Warp 9.9 :)04:50
RiddellseaLne: on kubuntu.org with release announcement04:52
kwwiipygi: looks good, I will contact him once I am back at home. Now that we have things in the public domain we can use all the help we can get04:52
goldenearLure: yes I have04:52
goldenearhttp://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/kmplayer/04:52
pygikwwii, you still don't have his mail tho :)04:53
kwwiipygi: I think it was in the resume he sent04:53
goldenearLure: there are the fixed files04:53
Luregoldenear: great - was it reviewed by Tonio_?04:53
kwwiior rather that you sent04:53
pygikwwii, hm,oki :)04:53
Riddellkwwii: is there a way to get that with the gear kubuntu logo?  that's the ubuntu logo that's being used04:53
Luregoldenear: I would like to have workaround documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems (I added link to bug already)04:54
kwwiiRiddell: hehe, yeah, I didn't notice that04:54
goldenearLure: yes. Tonio has taken the profilerc there to rebuild a k-d-s package for dapper-updates :D04:54
Luregoldenear: just profilerc is needed for crash fix, right? other two .desktop files are something else?04:55
Luregoldenear: have attached your fixed file to the bug  and updated wiki page05:03
goldenearok thanks05:03
goldenearthe .desktop files are not really *needed* but they add to kmplayer the ability to deal with more mimetypes05:04
goldenearso I recommand to use them also05:04
Luregoldenear: ok, that would be great too05:04
goldenearLure: I'm trying to upload an install file to automatically copy the files the right places05:05
kwwiidude, this kubuntu logo is really poorly made - I hope nobody paid money for this work05:05
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Riddellkwwii: which one are you using?05:11
kwwiiRiddell: the eps 05:13
goldenearRiddell: do you plan to rebuild a new amarock 1.4 package soon ? The splash screen bug is very anoying.05:13
kwwiithe paths are not connected and there is a bunch of little tiny paths as well,. I guess they are to fix small mistakes in the paths of the text05:13
Riddellgoldenear: no05:13
goldenearRiddell: do you if this bug is specific of kubuntu or is it a general amarok bug (affecting any distro) ? 05:15
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Riddellgoldenear: probably amarok05:19
goldenearok thx05:20
kwwiiso, I guess in order to do the same thing with the kubuntu logo I get to make the whole logo again05:20
Riddellkwwii: you could try with the original SVG on KubuntuArtwork05:21
kwwiiRiddell: yeah, I will try that05:22
kwwiiwell, actually it is the svg that is of poor quality05:25
kwwiinone of the paths are closed05:25
kwwiithis sucks05:25
RiddellI wouldn't spend too much time on it, the one you have already is lovely and most people won't notice the lack of gears on the logo05:25
=== imbrandon thinks looks better with the balls anyhow ;)
seaLnedosen't it just look like the ubuntu logo now tho?05:27
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kwwiiRiddell: I will try for another few minutes....see what I can come up with 05:28
raphinkRiddell: weren't the latest svn .desktop files sync for adept when 2.0 was uploaded?05:31
raphink:sz05:31
Riddellraphink: no, I'm afraid we didn't do an SVN snapshot05:32
raphinkargh05:32
raphinkso that means Kubuntu is going to be released with the main KDE menu half translated in French and I translated the "Add/Remove programs" 3 months ago05:32
raphink:(05:32
raphinkwhy, I don't get that, the Comment[fr]  is there, but not the Name[fr] 05:33
raphinkRiddell: I guess if I add Name[fr]  today it won't be accepted anymore?05:33
Riddellnot for dapper05:34
raphinkwhat a shame05:34
Riddellcould well get into dapper updates though if you want to prepare a package that only updates the translations in the .desktop files05:34
raphinksure05:35
Riddellput it on DapperReleaseRadar under updates05:35
raphinkand then I just have to upload it ?05:35
raphinklike usually?05:35
Riddellyou will need to get matt's approval05:36
Riddelland put dapper-changes in the changelog as the distro05:36
raphinkok05:36
raphinkic05:36
Riddelldon't do it until friday though05:36
raphinkok05:37
raphinkyou mean ask him?05:37
raphinkor just upload?05:37
Riddellboth05:37
raphinkok05:37
raphinkfine...05:37
raphinkhow do you feel about the release Riddell?05:39
RiddellI feel it's going to rock05:40
raphinkgreat :)05:40
Riddellwhat do you think?05:40
raphinkwell it's really much better than Breezy, no wonder05:40
raphinkand people who switch are just amazed05:40
Hobbsee+1 raphink 05:40
raphinkso i'm happy with it05:41
Riddellubiquity seems to work well, except for seaLne 05:41
raphinkI guess I feel it could have been more stable even05:41
raphinkbut that's because I see the bugs from the dev point of view05:41
seaLneyeah how come i get stupid errors with it? :P05:41
raphinkI guess most users won't find most of the left bugs05:41
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HobbseeseaLne: it just doesnt like you :P05:42
seaLnethe bad thing is that you can't sync palms (without messing) or pocketpc devices05:42
seaLnei think peripherals is somethingto work on in edgy05:43
RiddellseaLne: do you think that's kubuntu specific or KDE in general?05:43
seaLnepalms is ubuntu's crappy kernel and there are newer versions of raki now than in dapper05:43
Riddellanyone have a windows machine and able to take a screenshot of the winfoss software?05:44
seaLnejust sticking the live cd in?05:44
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RiddellseaLne: yep05:45
seaLnei'll do it in the next 30min if thats ok?05:45
RiddellseaLne: and maybe install something so you can have a screenshot of software + winfoss installer05:45
Riddellthat's perfect05:45
seaLnenot sure what you mean by install something?05:45
imbrandonlike firefox running too05:46
Riddellinstall one of the programmes05:46
Riddellnot firefox, something more KDE like, scribus maybe05:46
seaLnei've never actually stuck the live cd in a windoze machine :)05:46
seaLneok05:46
goldenearhas it been decided that kpowersave will replace klaptopdaemon on edgy ? Or doesn't any decision has been taken yet ?05:49
Hobbseegoldenear: i hope it'll be replaced in edgy05:49
Riddellgoldenear: no decision yet05:50
Riddellalthough it seems likely05:51
=== Hobbsee cheers
Hobbseequietly, of course.  parents are asleep.05:51
Riddellbut we'd need some sort of testing plan to make that decision05:51
HobbseeRiddell: i'd think that most people are testing it now...05:51
Hobbseeas soon as they come with issues about "how do i hibernate/suspend" we point them straight to kpowersave, and they have no more problem :P05:52
OdyXHobbsee: well... more or less.. it sucks here (as Klpatop...05:52
HobbseeOdyX: which are you saying is the bad oen?  klaptop, right?05:52
OdyXHobbsee: well.. both klaptop and kpowersave suck...05:53
OdyXHobbsee: both don't seem to manage correctly my Dell Latitude and it's "nvidia" prop'driver.05:53
Hobbseeah okay05:53
RiddellHobbsee: I think goldenear had a problem05:53
HobbseeRiddell: true - it's certainly got a way to go...05:54
OdyXwhich of the both does use Canonical's efforts for hibernation ?05:54
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RiddellOdyX: klaptopdaemon05:56
RiddellOdyX: that's why we didn't change to kpowersave in dapper05:56
goldenearHobbsee: indeed, kpowersave can suspend my computer... but my computeur crashed at wake up :(05:56
OdyXRiddell: well.... That's bad..05:56
Hobbseegoldenear: ack.05:56
Riddellgoldenear: does it work with sudo pmi action suspend ?05:56
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goldenearyes it does05:57
OdyXRiddell: but those modifications could go upstream to kpowersave, huh ?05:57
RiddellOdyX: I doubt they'd be portable05:57
goldenearsudo pmi action suspend <- it's the only way I found to suspend my computer properly05:57
goldenearI have no problem to suspend my computeur with Gnome05:58
goldenearthis is really a KDE/Kubuntu issue :(05:58
Riddellgoldenear: that's all klaptopdaemon does hwhen you choose suspend with it, does that not work?05:59
goldenearno klaptopdaemon doesn't work for me...05:59
goldenearI mean it doesn't want to display the little icon in the systray06:00
goldenearso I have no way to suspend the computer with it :(06:00
Luregoldenear: I was pushing kpowersave a lot, but we should replace if we can use more Ubuntu infrastructure (pmi...)06:00
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Lureproblem is that powersave (pushed by SuSE) is not working well with gnome-power-manager infrasturcture (Ubuntu default)06:01
Lureand there are also some politics between the teams06:01
goldenearI really think kubuntu should use the ubuntu infrastucture for acpi as it works well for gnome06:01
=== Hobbsee seems to get that klaptopdaemon crashes after trying to hibernate/suspend - which makes it fairly useless.
goldenearwe may just need to create kpmi :)06:02
LureHobbsee: that bug was fixed06:02
Hobbseeoh okay06:02
=== Hobbsee will shut up, mostly
LureI nailed it down to acpi-support deadlock and there was no crash afterall ;-)06:02
Lureklaptop code is ugly as hell and I for sure do not want to maintain it ;-)06:03
imbrandongnight folks 06:03
Hobbseenight imbrandon 06:03
goldenearLure: so what not to start a new project for kubuntu egdy ? 06:03
=== Hobbsee considers bed too...
LureI personally hope we can ge uswsusp in Edgy (as they plan 2.6.17 kernel) and then we need to work tighly with Ubuntu laptop people to get involved soon enough06:04
goldenearI mean, a simple script using the acpi/pmi commands could do the trick06:04
LureI hope somebody from Kubuntu team will follow PM discussions in Paris and that we will get involved from day 106:04
imbrandongot a spot right here all warmed up for ya Hobbsee ........ well kinda cept its accross the globe ;) j/k  sleep well , Riddell dont stress too much before release ;)06:04
imbrandonsee you all once dapper is on the streets06:04
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=== Hobbsee cant be bothered getting worked up over it.
Luregoldenear: that I have done already in Feb (see mailing list), but it is more than that - main problem is CPU frequency stuff: pwoersave does it on it's own and it cannot work with powernowd that is Ubuntu's default06:05
goldenearI personally hope we can ge uswsusp in Edgy <-- why not ?06:07
=== Lure have read all the backlog from last hour
LureRiddell: goldenear problem with klaptop is that he is using it on desktop that does not have full ACPI implementation (like notebooks). Klaptop has all kind of old cruft with acpi stuff (not really needed these days) for detecting machines and this prevents to offer Suspend/Hibernate in systray06:08
goldenearexactly06:09
Riddellah06:09
Luregoldenear: only 0.1 was released - I plan to test it in next weeks...06:09
Luregoldenear: maybe we should start writing the spec for Edgy for PM and hotkey stuff 06:09
LureRiddell: ^^^ how is this done (skip answer if you are busy with release)06:10
HobbseeLure: finally.  hehe06:10
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goldenearis there a wiki page somewhere with a todo list for edgy (including wishlist) ?06:11
raphinkgoldenear: you should look at specs06:11
raphinkfor edgy06:11
raphinkhttp://launchpad.net/specs iirc06:12
RiddellLure: create it in launchpad if you can, add the wiki page to KubuntuFutureIdeas06:12
Luregoldenear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFutureIdeas06:13
goldenearthnaks06:14
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LureRiddell: there is one (mostly empty) already:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-power-management 06:15
OdyXI have some reports about bad sound (headphones' sound bad, distortionned, PCM slider without effect), can someone confirm ?06:15
RiddellLure: yeah, use that06:17
LureRiddell: will look around how others are doing it and do initial braindump06:17
RiddellLure: thanks06:18
Hobbseecrap, it's 2.30am....06:20
=== Hobbsee has to be up at 7!
apokryphosHobbsee: sleep =)06:20
Hobbseeapokryphos: i was talking, and keyboards dont make great pillows06:20
Hobbseefluffy scarves and physics textbooks do though...06:20
apokryphoskeyboards aren't so bad; if you get the keypresses just right they make an ok-ish rest :P06:21
apokryphosthe marks on your face the next day aren't so great though06:21
goldenearhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPowersave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=logout.png <-- I really would like that in edgy06:24
Luregoldenear: me too, but we need to know if we need it for klaptop or kpowersave first ;-)06:25
goldenearwhat does gnome use ?06:26
goldeneardoesn't is simply use a frontend to acpi-tools/powernowd ?06:27
OdyXwell kpowersave is cool by conception06:28
OdyXbut still sucks.06:28
goldenearat least it hangs my compture at wake up :(06:28
seaLneRiddell: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/1.png http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/2.png http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/3.png http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/4.png06:28
seaLneRiddell: those any use?06:29
seaLnejust noticed there was other stuff visible in the taskbar but i presume you'd crop them anyway?06:30
RiddellseaLne: could we have number 3 but with the scribus window a bit smaller and to the right so you can see more of the kubuntu window06:30
seaLnek06:31
RiddellI want full screen shots, I won't crop them, it's ok to have other stuff in the systray Windows is just like that06:31
seaLnei'll run mcafee update first then so the wee yellow warning thing goes away :)06:36
tomaeps06:36
seaLneerr and windows updates, this laptop hasn't been in windows for a while06:37
goldenear<seaLne> err and windows updates, this laptop hasn't been in windows for a while <-- with kubuntu the need for windows is almost inexistant :)06:38
seaLneyeah but screenshots shpwing unpatched machines are embarasing :)06:38
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=== apokryphos cries
apokryphosI blindly clicked on the Testing/Current link so I ended up getting the Ubuntu iso instead of the kubu one :|06:43
=== apokryphos downloads kubudvd now
seaLneRiddell: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/5.png06:43
apokryphoshm, doesn't entirely help that both the isos are called the exact same thing dapper -- dapper-dvd-amd64.iso06:44
RiddellseaLne: could you put the scribus window up against the right hand edge?06:46
seaLnehehe the "scroll wheel" of the track pad on this laptop dosen't work in winxoze06:47
apokryphos700 kb/sec, nice ;-)06:48
Riddellapokryphos: both isos?06:48
apokryphosRiddell: ubuntu one and the kubuntu one06:48
Riddellah right06:49
seaLnedon't download the ubuntu one and you won't get confused :)06:50
apokryphosYeah, I wasn't really thinking much at the time 8)06:50
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Lureraphink just uploaded adept... is this for Edgy? ;-)06:58
seaLneRiddell: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/6.png sorry for the delay there windows insisted on restarting06:58
RiddellseaLne: perfect, thanks06:58
seaLneanything else or can i go home now? :)06:59
bddebianheh06:59
RiddellseaLne: did you test a DVD?07:03
seaLnenot today, thursday or friday i think07:03
mornfallLure: what?07:04
RiddellseaLne: we'll have released by then :)07:04
seaLnelast thursday or friday i tested it07:04
Riddelloh I see07:04
Luremornfall: raphink uploaded new adept with fixed french tranlsation of .desktop file (to -updates)07:04
mornfallokey07:04
RiddellseaLne: if your bandwidth is available for torrenting tomorrow that would be great07:04
seaLnedo you need the dvd tested today?07:05
RiddellseaLne: yes, but don't feel you have to if you want to go home07:05
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goldenearLure: I've compiled Kaffeine 8.1 from a debian source07:06
goldenearit still crashed konqueror (when used instead of kmplayer)07:06
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=== marseillai is sad! there's no desktop-cd for sparc ..... :(
bddebianmarseillai: So get to work ;-)07:09
marseillailooolllll07:10
goldenearmarseillai: do you own a sparc ?07:10
marseillaithey took several month to have ubuntu-server running on sparc bddebian ! ;)07:10
OdyXthis is weird, no ?07:10
marseillaii think i'll use debian.....07:10
Riddellmarseillai: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20060531/dapper-desktop-sparc.iso07:10
Riddellplease test07:10
OdyXDebian port exists, no ?07:10
marseillaiuhhhhhhhhhhh07:10
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bddebianheh07:11
Riddellmarseillai: I have no idea if it work, would be really interesting if you could test it07:11
bddebianDamn all you people are making me want to get a Sparc too :-)07:11
marseillaiRiddell: i've got my sparc on thursday! :) he'll become a multimedia server and kubuntu will be great....... :D07:11
Riddellmarseillai: new or second hand?07:12
marseillaiRiddell: second hand07:12
marseillaifree ...07:12
Riddellbest thing to do with sparcs really, throw them out and give them to a geek07:12
marseillaimy school are on the way to give them (20) to every one who want one!07:12
bddebianAck, I want one!07:12
Riddellmarseillai: what model?07:12
seaLnemarseillai: out of interest what spec (not that i'm wanting one)07:13
marseillaireally don't know07:13
Riddellanyone have a screenshot of skim?07:13
seaLnehmm downloading dvd at 3M, downloading sparc cd at 150k :(07:14
seaLneRiddell: do you have any luck rsyncing the ISOs? it never seems to work for me07:15
RiddellseaLne: rsyncing is uber slow today07:16
Riddellthe cdimage machine must be getting hammered07:16
seaLnei've never sucessfully rsynced07:16
seaLneeven in quiet times07:16
Riddellwhat happens?07:17
seaLnenothing at all rsync just sits there, i think one time i left it a few days07:17
LureseaLne: rsync works for me always, it is just a bit slow today (doing DVD just now)07:20
Riddellstrange07:20
seaLneLure: what do you do?07:20
Riddellpossibly the server doesn't like your IP, but then it should quit with an error07:20
Lurersync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso .07:20
seaLneit was ~6months ago i last tried, but i tried quite a few times07:20
Lureactually it is at full speed currnently again (I have 1MBit only)07:21
goldenearLure: may ne kuaffeine should be replaced in egdy07:24
Luregoldenear: I am sure it will get updated - it was considered for Dapper, but it came a bit late (with no clear benefit in terms of critical issues)07:25
seaLnewhat is the likely time UTC that dapper will be released?07:27
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crimsun"when it's ready"07:27
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crimsundo you think I'm joking?07:29
RiddellseaLne: no idea unfortunately07:31
seaLnek07:32
goldenearLure: when I say replaced, I mean by something else... not just updated07:33
Luregoldenear: I see - ask Riddell - any suggestion?07:34
goldenearKmplayer ?07:34
goldenear(with a little comestic it can be very nice)07:34
seaLneits a pity there isn't a decent front end to vlc07:34
goldenearseaLne: indeed, kvlc is still using gtk :(07:35
Riddellgoldenear: what's wrong with kaffeine?07:35
crimsungoldenear: file a bug and I'll fix it for edgy.07:37
goldenearseaLne: the issue with vlc is that it uses its own media framework... I think it's better to use a shared media framework like gstreamer or xine07:38
seaLneRiddell: should kwallet really be enabled on the desktop iso?07:38
Riddellcomments welcome http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.06-lts-release.php07:38
RiddellseaLne: probably we should disable it on the live desktop07:39
Riddellbut too late now, file a bug on casper07:39
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goldenearriddell: what's wrong with kaffeine? <-- it's buggy, crashes konqueror07:40
Riddellthat's why we (tried to) replace the plugin with kmplayer07:40
crimsunseaLne: / goldenear: no, that would be a bug in the build script if kvlc is still depending on gtk07:40
goldenearRiddell: why not to use kmplayer also as the default standalone player07:41
crimsunmplayer is in multiverse, so that can't be the case.07:42
goldenear[19:40]  <crimsun> seaLne: / goldenear: no, that would be a bug in the build script if kvlc is still depending on gtk <-- kvlc seems to be only a dummy package installing xwvlc07:42
crimsungoldenear: yes, I didn't have time to merge Debian changes. I'll work on it in Edgy.07:42
goldenearcrimsun: I'm speaking about kmplayer, not mplayer07:42
LureRiddell: Alternative CD - shouldn't it be Alternate CD?07:43
goldenear<crimsun> goldenear: yes, I didn't have time to merge Debian changes. I'll work on it in Edgy. <-- are you speaking about vlc ?07:44
LureRiddell: "help you fix any problems to your X driver settings" is a bit bold statement for Display Guidance...07:45
seaLneand bad grammer :)07:46
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LureRiddell: I would also mention KNetworkManager (even though it is not installed by default - is it on CD at least?)07:48
Tonio_hi all07:48
LureRiddell: any mirror for downloads?07:48
LureTonio_: hi!07:48
goldenearhi Tonio_07:49
goldenearTonio_: tu as eu mon message ?07:49
Tonio_par mail ?07:49
goldenearnon tout  l'heure sur l'irc07:50
goldenearTonio_: j'ai corrig une petite erreur dans mon profilerc07:50
Tonio_goldenear: envoie le moi par mail07:52
goldenearTonio_: j'ai upload le fichier mis  jour: http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/kmplayer/07:52
goldenearTonio_: j'avais mis application/rn-readmedia au lieu de application/vnd.realmedia ... la fatigue :)07:53
Tonio_goldenear: tu le fais  la main le fichier ?07:55
goldenearTonio_: c'est juste a la modif. tu peux rcuprer le fichier pour mettre  jour ton paquet.07:55
Tonio_moi je le fais direct dans konq, c plus simple07:55
goldenearTonio_: oui avec kate07:55
=== Lure is lost in #uubuntu-fr again ;-)
goldenearSorry Lure07:56
Luregoldenear: no pb - feel free to continue, I am just joking ;-)07:57
goldenearTonio_: je suis sur d'tre plus exhaustif en le faisant  la main :)07:57
=== Lure should have learned french when I had French guy as CEO ;-)
Tonio_Lure: hehe07:58
goldenearLure: the french conversation is closed ;)07:58
Lureso, Tonio_ is profilerc fix on it's way to -updates (raphink did one upload already)07:59
raphinkhein?07:59
raphinkhehe07:59
raphinkI had the 2nd dapper-updates :)08:00
seaLnecan someone with a live dvd/cd check if you can reproduce pen drive mounting, unmounting then it never prompting to mount again?08:00
seaLnewhen plugging in08:00
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Tonio_Lure: raphink did an upload of kds ?08:02
Tonio_raphink: ping ?08:02
LureTonio_: no, adept french translation08:02
Tonio_Lure: let me prepare the package08:02
Tonio_raphink: you can upload ?08:02
raphinkdon't think I'm not answering Tonio_, I am :)08:05
seaLneprove it :)08:05
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Tonio_seaLne: don't listen to him........ he simply ignores me :'(08:05
LureseaLne: NOOO - we will get a big paste of french ;-)08:06
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kmonRiddell: there's a bug in your kde 3.5.3 packages, missing dependency for amd64: libartsc0_1.5.3-0ubuntu0.108:10
kmonRiddell: there's no .deb for amd64 arch08:13
seaLnesparc: fail :(08:16
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RiddellseaLne: what's up with it?08:32
RiddellseaLne: release scheduled for 10am BST08:32
seaLnek08:33
seaLnehttps://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/4775008:33
UbugtuMalone bug 47750 in linux-source-2.6.15 "sparc kubuntu desktop fails to boot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  08:33
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seaLnefails on ultra10 aswell :(08:52
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apokryphosamd64 dvd starts up+runs just fine; gonna test install09:00
apokryphosinteresting modified windeco09:00
=== seaLne is at 94% of d-i install off dvd :)
apokryphoshm, from the partitioner it's not possible to apply /home label without partitioning?09:05
Lureinteresting: Kubuntu PPC is not available over shipit (Ubuntu PPC is)09:06
apokryphosyeah09:06
apokryphosah, that's in the next step I see09:07
seaLneRiddell: i386 DVD looking good09:08
raphinkLure: that's not interesting, that's sad :(09:09
raphink:'(09:09
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Lureraphink: true - not sure what the reason might be (edubuntu is i386 only)09:09
apokryphosmoney, probably09:10
raphinkI guess :(09:10
Lureapokryphos: sure - this is great step and I am really thankful for this investment09:10
raphinkwith all the ppcs we have in the dev team, it's a shame :(09:10
raphinkbut yes, we can be happy that there is i386 and amd64 at least09:10
apokryphosedubuntu doesn't have a desktop CD though, that's why, eh?09:11
apokryphosstill seperate live/install09:11
raphinkah09:11
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raphinkbut much happier :)09:13
apokryphosis the site getting a revamp at all for dapper?09:14
apokryphosI hear ubuntu.com is09:14
Lureraphink: not sure after two sparc install failures...09:14
apokryphosdang09:14
apokryphosah, it's already had the makeover in fact09:16
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apokryphosThat was possibly the quickest Linux install I've ever done 8)09:20
apokryphosRiddell: amd64 dvd install went totally smoothly =)09:21
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Flosofthey09:37
Flosoftwhat happened to the Kubuntu Website?09:37
Flosoftthe font is large?09:38
kmonyes09:40
kmonI'm seeing the same large fonts09:41
FlosoftRiddell: Is there already version 6.06 final out there for the mirrors?09:42
Flosoftthe font is really weird09:57
Flosoftit is huge09:57
FlosoftI think the CSS if messed up?09:58
seaLnelooks normal to me09:59
Flosoftno ... as kmon also said ... it became huge09:59
kmondoes anyone here use amd64?10:03
kmontomorrow the world ends ;)10:14
goldenearcrimsun: ping10:18
crimsungoldenear: pong10:18
goldenearcrimsun: I didn't get it: do you plan to compile vlc with a native QT UI ?10:18
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kmonthat would totally rock10:20
crimsungoldenear: I plan to fix the build rules so that Qt is used (again).10:21
kmoncrimsun: and provide some unofficial packages? :)10:22
crimsunkmon: it may go into dapper-updates, otherwise, edgy.10:22
goldenearbut vlc uses wxwindow... and wxwindows doesn't support QT ?10:22
seaLnedidn't vlc decide to only use wx?10:22
crimsunyes, they did, though somewhere there are rules to use Qt10:23
crimsunI just have to dig 'em up10:23
crimsuna lot of work, so don't hold your breath for dapper-updates.10:24
goldenearI hope you'll find the QT rules for vlc 0.8.5 (or highter)10:24
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crimsunwell I'll be targetting 0.8.5, yes. I don't plan to work on 0.8.4 unless there are security issues.10:25
goldenearcrimsun: may be using qtgtk would be faster10:25
goldenearcrimsun: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/qtgtk/main.html10:25
goldenearbut if it's really possible a real native QT frontend would of course be better :)10:26
goldenearvlc is a nice seconde choice player (to help when the default player is not able to play a specific format)10:27
goldenearalso I use vlc to watch tv from my freebox :)10:28
kmonvlc plays everything, including new quicktime format10:28
kmonit would be nice to have native interface10:28
kmonin kubuntu10:28
goldenearvlc is based on ffmpeg, isn't it ?10:28
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kmonnot suer10:29
kmonsure10:29
crimsungoldenear: yes.10:30
robotgeeki like kmplayer on kde, very nice especially konq integration10:31
goldenearI also like it10:32
goldenearimho kmplayer should replace kaffeine as the default player in edgy10:32
goldenearI've compile the lastest version of kaffeine (v 8.1)10:33
goldenearit's still pretty buggy... and it's comming more "fat" with more function like audio CD extraction10:34
goldenearkmplayer is lighter10:36
goldenearbut the standalone would need a little cosmetic10:36
goldenearthe playlist management is awful imho10:37
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kmonRiddell: once dapper is out, can you take a look at your kde 3.5.3 packages? the amd64 packages are broken in arts10:46
kwwiiRiddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-announce.png10:50
kwwiiit takes 35 minutes to render one pic, so that is about as good as it gets for today10:50
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apokryphoskwwii: image: nice!10:51
kmonkwwii: nice :)10:52
kmonkwwii: for edgy we need an "edgy" kubuntu logo10:52
kmonhehe10:52
goldenearkwwii: very nice :)10:53
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pygikwwii, enjoy :)10:53
goldenearkwwii: 35 min to render this ??? 10:54
pygigoldenear, whats the issue with 35 minutes? :)10:54
goldenearit's pretty long for just a simple pic10:55
pygiit's not so simple if you look at it10:55
=== nixternal just got some excitement goosebumps....ubuntu forums message "we'll be right back. we need to prepare a few things for the Dapper Drake Release."
nixternalalthough somebody misspelled Drake as Dreake10:56
pyginixternal, hehe :)10:56
pygilol10:56
nixternali am like a lil kid on christmas day right now10:57
goldenearpygi: it's not so simple, but 35 min is very long... I wonder what is the picture made with.10:59
pygigoldenear, probably some modelling software... I know once upon the time when I was making a 3D chess game, the scene made with reactor in 3Ds Max took 2 days to render11:00
pygi(It wasnt me who was designing, not to be mistaken, but it was great)11:00
pygion a 3GB machine with 2GB ram11:00
goldenearpygi: two days is two long even for a very detailed picture...11:03
goldeneara picture should not take more than 10 min to render on a 3gig PIV11:03
goldenearif it needs more time, so some optimisation is needed somewhere11:04
seaLnekwwii: looking good except it feels as if the wheel is off center presumably due to having the 2 cogs on the right11:12
seaLnekwwii: ah its centered on the edges of the wheel including cogs rather than the wheel, which is why to me it looks a bit unbalanced, maybe you'd conside seeing what it looked like centered just on the wheel part of the logo rather than wheel and cogs, if that made any sense11:15
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trappistI guess it's too late to get a bugfix in before release?  even a crash bug with a fix from upstream converted to a debdiff and tested?11:17
Luretrappist: which bug - it may enter -updates11:17
trappistbug #4332911:17
UbugtuMalone bug 43329 in kdebase "Konqueror Krashes after posting to myweb2.search.yahoo.com" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4332911:17
seaLnekwwii: although i did just notice the k is a bit fursther from the edge than the u which might be confusing me11:17
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Flosoftis Kubuntu Dapper now being launched?11:19
FlosoftI am waiting for the file to put it onto the server11:20
Luretrappist: you may ask Riddell to atleast include it as patch to his 3.5.3 packages11:20
LureFlosoft: it is already avaliable as daily cd11:20
crimsuntrappist: it's absolutely too late; the images are rsyncing, but -updates is feasible11:21
FlosoftLure: I am waiting for the ISO for the Mirrors11:21
Flosoftor the torrents to the ISOs11:21
trappistLure: if 3.5.3 won't be in dapper, I'm sure this fix will make it into whatever version ends up in edgy, as it's in the upstream svn11:21
trappistcrimsun: -updates is cool11:21
crimsunFlosoft: today's daily is the final.11:21
Luretrappist: 3.5.3 may get to -updates (they plan to get latest gnome there)11:22
Flosoftwhere can I get it?11:22
Flosoftlink?11:22
Luretrappist: Riddell said that we need "decent packages"11:22
LureFlosoft: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current11:22
LureFlosoft: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/11:23
trappistLure: I didn't think we did upstream version upgrades in -updates, but I'm sure not complaining.  Riddel is a subscriber to the bug, so I guess we'll see what happens with it.11:23
LureFlosoft: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/11:23
Flosoftok thx11:23
Flosoftwhy is this an alternate image?11:29
Flosoftwhy not the install?11:29
apokryphosFlosoft: desktop is live+install11:30
apokryphosFlosoft: alternative is the old classic install11:30
Flosoftok11:30
Flosoftbut when will there be a real release of the file?11:30
apokryphossome time on the 1st of june11:32
Flosoftok11:32
LureFlosoft: Riddell mentioned around 10:00 BST11:33
Flosoftwhats that in CEST?11:33
Lure(= 9:00 UTC)11:33
Lure11:00 CEST11:33
Flosoftok11:33
Flosoftwhat will the filename be?11:34
Flosoftkubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso11:35
Flosoftfor example?11:35
Luredo not know, but probably yes (same as RC without -rc)11:36
Flosoftok11:36
bobesponjathe files available will be kubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso, kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso and kubuntu-6.06-live-i386.iso?11:50
bobesponjaor only install and live?11:50
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Flosoftbobesponja: I prepared the mirror pages for: -alternate and -desktop11:57
bobesponjaok11:58
bobesponjaFlosoft: no install?11:58
Flosoftno11:58
Flosoftapparently alternate is install11:59
Flosoftand desktop is a live cd + installer11:59
bobesponjaok thanx11:59

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