[12:06] <goldenear> nop
[12:07] <goldenear> it is said that my computer support ACPI but the support is only partial
[12:07] <goldenear> also, I can get the little battery icon in the systray
[12:07] <Lure> no "Setup Helper Application" button?
[12:07] <goldenear> nop
[12:07] <Lure> goldenear: can or can't?
[12:08] <goldenear> can't* sorry
[12:09] <Lure> klaptopdaemon is lot's of old unmaintained code which was dirty hacked to somehow work with Ubuntu power management (suspend/hibernate)
[12:09] <goldenear> but I guess, as its name suggests it, klaptopdaemon only works on laptop
[12:09] <goldenear> I'm using a *desktop* computer
[12:09] <Lure> goldenear: did you try powersave?
[12:10] <Lure> (which has own power management which is sometimes better than ubuntu, but in some cases also worse)
[12:10] <goldenear> Lure: klaptop_acpi_helper --suspend (in a shell) works
[12:10] <Lure> (but looks nincer)
[12:10] <Lure> goldenear: interesting... try system settings again - it may give you more options now...
[12:10] <goldenear> nop
[12:11] <goldenear> still the same message about my computer not completly supporting ACPI
[12:11] <Lure> probably klaptopdaemon want something from /proc/acpi/* that is not there on your desktop...
[12:11] <goldenear> I think it's the battery
[12:12] <goldenear> as I oubviously don't have one :)
[12:12] <Lure> goldenear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPowersave
[12:13] <goldenear> to suspend my computer I use klaptop_acpi_helper --suspend (I have made an icon/shortcut for this on kicker)
[12:13] <goldenear> and it works well
[12:13] <goldenear> Lure: I've tried Kpowersave
[12:14] <Lure> goldenear: that might be good workaround for the time being
[12:14] <goldenear> kpowersave seems to work well and correctly display an icon in the systray
[12:14] <Lure> I hope we can improve PM & laptop support for edgy (when it is clear what kernel support and ubuntu PM changes can we expect)
[12:15] <goldenear> but when I suspend the computer, it fails to waikup
[12:16] <Lure> goldenear: you would probably need to fine-tune powersave - it has all/most options as Ubuntu PM, just that ubuntu acpi-support defaults are better
[12:16] <goldenear> or more precisely it wakes up but the screen stay blank and the computer is hanged
[12:17] <Lure> goldenear: are your sure it hanged? does switching consoles (Ctlr-Alt-F1/Ctrl-Alt-F7) help? (this is what acpi-support does)
[12:18] <goldenear> yes I'm sure
[12:19] <goldenear> no way to switch consoles
[12:19] <goldenear> even the ALT-SYST trick doesn't work
[12:20] <goldenear> May be I have not installed kpowersave properly
[12:20] <goldenear> I just did apt-get install kpowersave
[12:20] <Lure> goldenear: not much to do wrong with installation, just default config is sub-optimal
[12:20] <goldenear> so it removes klaptopdaemon and install powersave
[12:21] <Lure> exactly
[12:22] <goldenear> on the URL you've given to me it's said that many orther things have to be removed
[12:22] <Lure> powersave conflicts with powernowd, this is why it has to be removed (together with klaptop)
[12:23] <goldenear> Lure: "Dapper Universe currently have old version of of kpowersave ([WWW]  0.5.2-1ubuntu1) and powersave ([WWW]  0.11.2-1). The problem is that these packages cannot be installed if conflicting packages (powernowd, cpudyn, cpufreqd, apmd) are not deinstalled first. Since powernowd and ampd are required by *-desktop packages (including kubuntu-desktop), this means that your *-desktop package has to be removed (together with powern
[12:23] <goldenear> cceptable for regular users."
[12:23] <Lure> goldenear: yes, and they are - if you want to go back, just remove (with purge) *powersave* and install kubuntu-desktop again
[12:24] <Lure> goldenear: this is not true anymore - I have to update the page to be clear (this was only plan to update KPS and make better packages(
[12:28] <Lure> wiki changed
[12:35] <goldenear> Lure: can I remove acpid ?
[12:35] <goldenear> or is it need by kpowersave ?
[12:36] <Lure> not really - it distributes acpi events to multiple sources (including powersaved)
[12:36] <Lure> not sure who else is also using it
[12:37] <Lure> at least laptop-mode-tools and apci-support depend on it
[12:37] <Lure> so no
[12:37] <Lure> goodnight
[12:52] <toma> Riddell: ping
[12:59] <toma> unping
[01:16] <Riddell> toma: unpong
[01:41] <goldenear> kpowersave still crashes my computer :(
[01:48] <goldenear> Riddell: do you plan to rebuild soon a package for amarok 1.4 fixing the splashcreen bug ?
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya
[09:28] <Hobbsee> hi all
[09:30] <freeflying|away> hi Hobbsee 
[09:31] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying|away 
[09:54] <nixternal`zzz> good night all
[12:37] <AlinuxOS> Hello Riddell, is now Georgian (ka) language supported in Kubuntu?
[12:38] <Riddell> yes, should be
[12:38] <AlinuxOS> Riddell, great.
[12:39] <AlinuxOS> I'm Ubuntu user..but I remember that some time ago there was no georgian pacakge for KDE georgian ocalisation.
[12:41] <seaLne> no kde-i18n-ka that i can see
[12:41] <Riddell> language-pack-kde-ka-base should fill up as people add translations
[12:42] <AlinuxOS> Riddell, so it must work
[12:42] <AlinuxOS> if an user use georgian ka locale...
[12:42] <AlinuxOS> he must see translated programs in georgian. rigth?
[12:43] <seaLne> Riddell: has much changed with ubiquity/qtparted that might explain why i'm not getting partitioning errors with todays image?
[12:44] <Riddell> don't think so, only change is for brazillia and chinese languages
[12:47] <seaLne> ohwell :)
[12:47] <Riddell> don't complain :)
[12:47] <seaLne> it was a strange problem to start with
[01:02] <Hobbsee|away> hi all
[01:03] <Hobbsee|away> hmm...looks like they were awake
[01:04] <Riddell> who?
[01:04] <\sh> when?
[01:05] <Hobbsee|away> you all, before.
[01:05] <Hobbsee|away> dont worry - i dont think i'm supposed to make sense terribly often.  especially not when i'm purple.
[01:06] <seaLne> too much ribena?
[01:06] <Hobbsee|away> haha no - too much cold water, with the dinner.  and it's almost winter here anyway.  and i'm thin :(
[01:10] <seaLne> its finally behaving like summer here
[01:11] <MidMark> is it really planned for tomorrow final release or there is some major bug?
[01:12] <Riddell> MidMark: it'll happen
[01:12] <MidMark> Riddell: Great!
[01:13] <Riddell> although it would happen faster if the cdimage server was rsyncing at a useful speed
[01:16] <MidMark> Riddell: if someone review kubuntu, in italian, is it possible to link the review in your home-page or not? Italian kubuntu doesn't exist right?
[01:20] <Riddell> so far I've not listed reviews on the site
[01:20] <Riddell> but I might start doing so
[01:22] <Hobbsee> seaLne: lucky!
[01:23] <Riddell> seaLne: to be fair, it is still spring :)
[01:24] <imbrandon> its nice and summer here ( 90+ f ) for some weeks now
[01:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:27] <seaLne> Riddell: summers nearly over :)
[01:28] <AlinuxOS> :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where are you again?
[01:28] <AlinuxOS> Tommorow Dapper Drake 6.06!
[01:29] <imbrandon> ok i got a semi weird issue, i created a software raid 0 setup in another computer a while back ( with 2 drives total ) and later decided to pull the hdd's out and use them in other computers, now one of those drives is in this system ( a 40gb pata ) with one large ext3 partition ( mounted on /storage ) problem is on boot it still shows the md0 devices when it sees the drive and tries to look for the old second drive, cfdisk and fdisk don
[01:29] <imbrandon> , how do i get rid of it ? ( the /storage ext3 mount it useable but boot still sees the md0 no where else )
[01:29] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, Kansas City , Missouri , USA ( About Dead center of the USA both east/west and north/south )
[01:29] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[01:30] <imbrandon> your down under somewwheres right ;)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:30] <Hobbsee> yes, sydney
[01:30] <imbrandon> yea i knew AU just wasent sure where ;)
[01:32] <imbrandon> anyone know how i can get rid of that md0 device without loosing the data / ext 3 partition preferably but anyway would be helpfull ( i CAN backup the data and reput it on there if needed )
[01:33] <imbrandon> only way i can think of is like i said cfdisk or fdisk but neither see it ( the debian installer partitioner see's it but dopsent seem to remove it )
[01:34] <Riddell> use an alternative text install CD to play around with removing LVM partitions
[01:34] <imbrandon> kk just incase that dosent work , does a low level format remove the partition table ?
[01:35] <Riddell> that would be a low level format
[01:35] <imbrandon> kk
[01:38] <kwwii> moin
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[01:38] <kwwii> Riddell: release pic is in the works
[01:38] <kwwii> howdy Hobbsee
[01:39] <imbrandon> heya kwwii
[01:39] <jeroenvrp> hik fellows
[01:39] <kwwii> if anyone wants to see the oxygen icons, check out kde SVN :-)
[01:40] <jeroenvrp> less than 10 and a half hours to release :-)
[01:40] <kwwii> hehe
[01:40] <imbrandon> kwwii, what dir/branch ( going to go look at the web svn )
[01:41] <imbrandon> ouch
[01:41] <kwwii> thems fighting words
[01:41] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i defenestrated him.  end of problem.
[01:41] <kwwii> playground/artwork/Oxygen
[01:41] <Hobbsee> kwwii: ooh!  *goes to look*
[01:42] <kwwii> for now we only put the SVGs there (it is a pure SVG theme)
[01:43] <kwwii> so to actually use them snag the script in the "Ken" dir
[01:43] <kwwii> and run it in the SVG dir
[01:44] <imbrandon> svg dir ?
[01:44] <kwwii> artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg
[01:45] <kwwii> the script is in artwork/Oxygen/Ken
[01:45] <kwwii> but it is just a quick hack
[01:45] <Hobbsee> kwwii: pretty!
[01:45] <kwwii> :-)
[01:45] <Hobbsee> can we actually use these icons now?  is that what you're discussing?
[01:46] <kwwii> there are not really enough of them to actually use in a decent manner, but if you wanna see them in action you can install them
[01:46] <kwwii> we have pretty much everything for kontact, for instance
[01:46] <Hobbsee> mm okay
[01:47] <imbrandon> lookin good man ;)
[01:47] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[01:49] <MidMark> Riddell: italian language is under live-cd? I haven't seen it in kubuntu-meta
[01:49] <Hobbsee> kwwii: mm...very pretty...any ETA as to when most of the icons will be done, so we can start using them?
[01:49] <Hobbsee> i know we can use them now, and crystal icons just replace the ones that arent there..
[01:50] <kwwii> yes, exatly
[01:50] <kwwii> s/exatly/exactly
[02:39] <Hobbsee> i cant believe we're this close to release already.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> seems like breezy wasnt released that long ago
[02:47] <kwwii> Hobbsee: and when I read that edgy will be released in 4 months I was somewhat suprised
[02:47] <Hobbsee> kwwii: oh yeah, guess it will be...
[02:47] <MidMark> edgy is dapper+1?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> MidMark: yes
[02:47] <MidMark> wow
[02:47] <Hobbsee> kwwii: about time to test kde3.5.4, and maybe some of those oxygen icons?  :P
[02:48] <raphink> hehe
[02:48] <raphink> how are the oxygen icons going btw kwwii?
[02:48] <MidMark> is there some screenshot to view them?
[02:48] <kwwii> Hobbsee: that was my plan, actually :-)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yay!
[02:49] <raphink> hehe
[02:49] <raphink> 3.5.4 ?
[02:49] <raphink> where is 3.5.3 ?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> raphink: scheduled for july, is .4
[02:49] <Hobbsee> raphink: q on the quiet, but it's actually more or less out - just not officially yet
[02:50] <raphink> ok
[02:50] <kwwii> hi raphink
[02:50] <raphink> hi kwwii
[02:50] <raphink> nice to see you
[02:50] <kwwii> good that you are back :-)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> raphink: you can have the dapper repo if you want it - we were testing it yesterday, but were told to keep it quiet :P
[02:51] <raphink> kwwii: well I'm not really back :s
[02:51] <raphink> kwwii: I don't know when I'll have my internet connection
[02:51] <raphink> maybe in 2 weeks or so
[02:51] <raphink> maybe even more :(
[02:51] <raphink> Hobbsee: I'm glad I can have it ;)
[02:51] <raphink> hehe
[02:51] <MidMark> Oxygen icons isn't? -> http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?cat=3
[02:53] <kwwii> MidMark: yepp
[02:53] <kwwii> raphink: did you move?
[02:53] <raphink> kwwii: yes
[02:53] <kwwii> raphink: cause of a new job?
[02:53] <raphink> kwwii: cause a job ;)
[02:53] <raphink> at all
[02:53] <raphink> I had no job
[02:53] <raphink> :)
[02:54] <raphink> now I've got one
[02:54] <kwwii> lucky you!
[02:54] <raphink> hehe :)
[02:54] <kwwii> I am currently unemployed as well
[02:55] <kwwii> well, my small contract with canonical runs out tomorrow
[02:55] <raphink> argh :
[02:56] <Hobbsee> :(
[02:57] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i suppose it's bad to ask, but are you to do the edgy graphics as well?
[02:57] <kwwii> Hobbsee: until now, no
[02:57] <kwwii> but I would love to :-)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> darn :(
[03:04] <kwwii> well, either way I will still work on oxygen :-)
[03:06] <Riddell> kwwii: still in portugal?
[03:07] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, going home tomorrow
[03:07] <kwwii> for now, I am going for lunch
[03:07] <Hobbsee> right, killed off any spare hobbsee's hanging around?
[03:15] <Riddell> kwwii: are you going to make any kind of announcement like a dot story?
[03:15] <Riddell> hello |evilelf| 
[03:20] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:20] <Riddell> afternoon bddebian 
[03:21] <bddebian> Hello Riddell
[03:22] <Hobbsee> afternoon?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> guess it is there.
[03:29] <fabo> Riddell: you can't do anything for kvpnc ?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> fabo: if siretart's talking about the same thing in -motu, no
[03:30] <fabo> rah :(
[03:33] <Riddell> fabo: what needs done?
[03:35] <fabo> sync with debian, nothing new (maybe a wizard), just bug fixes, but siretart tells me right now that dapper is closed
[03:35] <fabo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kvpnc/+bug/47674
[03:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47674 in kvpnc "UVF exception request for kvpnc" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[03:41] <Riddell> fabo: yes, dapper is closed
[03:42] <fabo> too late... my mistake :(
[03:43] <freeflying|away> Riddell: kubuntu dapper is all right now?
[03:43] <Riddell> freeflying|away: we're testing the final images http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060531/
[03:43] <seaLne> the install i tried earlier off the live cd went fine
[03:43] <freeflying|away> Riddell: alternate cd is ok?
[03:44] <Riddell> seaLne: please add to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[03:45] <Riddell> seaLne: and if you can test DVDs too that would be great
[03:45] <Riddell> freeflying|away: that needs testing too
[03:45] <Riddell> but desktop CD is in general more important
[03:45] <seaLne> Riddell: about to install on a t60 aswell
[03:45] <apokryphos> a dvd is still being released? What does that have?
[03:46] <apokryphos> just more packs, I guess
[03:46] <Riddell> apokryphos: we've always done dvds, it has all of desktop + ship + supported
[03:46] <Riddell> live install and text install on one disk
[03:46] <apokryphos> oh I see
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when's 3.5.3 out officially?
[03:47] <apokryphos> Riddell: I've only got chance to test one I think (exam tomorrow) -- any particular one I should go for?
[03:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not sure, coolo asked me for download page today so soon I guess
[03:47] <Riddell> apokryphos: live DVD?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> argh!
[03:47] <apokryphos> ok cool
[03:48] <apokryphos> hm, just realised I have no blank CDs anyhow, so that's good 8)
[03:48] <imbrandon> heh
[03:48] <Riddell> if anyone has a sparc, hppa or ia32 testing those CDs would be very welcome
[03:50] <seaLne> grr stupid table
[03:55] <seaLne> crash when partitioning on t60 :(
[03:56] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: I see you are the maintainer of kde-systemsettings
[03:56] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: why is are the file associations not included in systemsettings?
[03:56] <apokryphos> jeroenvrp: they're in Konqueror
[03:57] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: yes I know, but they are also in kcontrol and thats great because all is in one place
[03:57] <apokryphos> decision was made to move them out because there was a duplication of effort
[03:58] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: thats a shame, because I always used it in kcontrol
[03:58] <apokryphos> tbh organisation of kcontrol isn't really perfect, but then again it's not easy. Not so obvious always whether one thing should belong to the app or to the control center
[03:58] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: but the associations are not konqueror-specific
[03:58] <jeroenvrp> they are user-wide
[03:58] <jeroenvrp> e.g. kmail
[03:59] <apokryphos> yeah, it goes through kfmclient or whatever
[03:59] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: yes I understand, but the user thinks kmail or knode or whatever
[04:00] <apokryphos> Indeed, I probably agree with you
[04:00] <imbrandon> Riddell, which sparc cd needs testing i can test it real fast
[04:00] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: hopefully it will come back
[04:00] <apokryphos> jeroenvrp: well, not for dapper at least
[04:00] <jeroenvrp> beter a duplication, thans something you can't find
[04:00] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: well maybe if you say its a bug :-)
[04:01] <apokryphos> nope
[04:01] <jeroenvrp> mmm
[04:01] <jeroenvrp> thats a shame
[04:02] <apokryphos> dapper's gone (it's being released tomorrow)
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> but I wil comply :-)
[04:02] <apokryphos> jeroenvrp: file out a launchpad bug entry though, if you like
[04:02] <jeroenvrp> apokryphos: yes I know, I was talking about dapper-updates
[04:03] <apokryphos> perhaps, yes
[04:03] <jeroenvrp> we wil see
[04:03] <jeroenvrp> its not that important
[04:06] <kwwii> Riddell: we are going to update our website, and then we can make an announcement
[04:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: cool
[04:23] <Riddell> imbrandon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20060531/
[04:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily/20060531.2/
[04:24] <Riddell> I have zero idea if those will work
[04:24] <seaLne> weird: Bug #47688
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47688 in ubiquity "ubiquity crash during kubuntu install after selecting manual partitioning" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47688
[04:28] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm not sure if that's a partman or qtparted problem
[04:29] <Riddell> seaLne: does qtparted run ok standalone?
[04:30] <seaLne> Riddell: did you see my comment about the weird partition it invented? moved to qtparted btw
[04:31] <Lure> seaLne: some kind of IBM recovery partition?
[04:31] <seaLne> that overlaps and dosen't show in fdisk?
[04:35] <Lure> seaLne: I think it may get confused due to the gap between sda1 and sda2 (gap of 1848-4866)
[04:35] <jjesse> just curious if anyone here saw that email about documentation for SCIM and can help me out more with some how-tos and stuff
[04:36] <seaLne> Lure: there isn't a gap
[04:36] <Lure> according to fdisk -l it is... and sda-1 in qtparted is also a gap
[04:36] <Lure> (marked as free)
[04:37] <seaLne> oh you are right
[04:37] <Lure> not sure why this would cause crash though....
[04:39] <seaLne> sda1 is a sysprepped windows image
[04:40] <Lure> Riddell: should we start collecting known problems w/ workarounds?
[04:40] <Lure> like bug 42965 and bug 31055
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42965 in kdeprint "Can't add a printer in KDE: parser error?" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42965
[04:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31055 in kdelibs "Konqueror crash on cliking on one web site" [Unknown,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31055
[04:40] <seaLne> Lure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[04:40] <Lure> ok, will add them there as I expect it may get reported by many people
[04:40] <seaLne> Lure: except i don't think that second one sounds like it would effect everyone
[04:41] <imbrandon> Lure, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[04:41] <imbrandon> whoops too late ;)
[04:41] <Lure> seaLne: it will effect everyone trying to play real media streams... goldenear and Tonio_ know more...
[04:41] <seaLne> ah fair enough the subject didn't sound like it, sorry :)
[04:47] <kwwii> ok, here is my first idea: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-idea1.png
[04:47] <Lure> goldenear: do you have now fixed version of profilerc that should be put in /usr/share to fix real media streaming crash? Can you attach it to bug 31055?
[04:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31055 in kdelibs "Konqueror crash on cliking on one web site" [Unknown,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31055
[04:47] <Riddell> kwwii: dood, you rock too much
[04:48] <kwwii> damn it, I did it again
[04:48] <pygi> kwwii, nice :)
[04:48] <seaLne> kind of flying through space effect :)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> kwwii: pretty!
[04:48] <seaLne> where is that image to be used?
[04:49] <seaLne> with usplash?
[04:50] <pygi> kwwii, what do you think about the things I sent you for the one who wanna help you with Oxygen thingy?
[04:50] <pygi> seaLne, Warp 9.9 :)
[04:52] <Riddell> seaLne: on kubuntu.org with release announcement
[04:52] <kwwii> pygi: looks good, I will contact him once I am back at home. Now that we have things in the public domain we can use all the help we can get
[04:52] <goldenear> Lure: yes I have
[04:52] <goldenear> http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/kmplayer/
[04:53] <pygi> kwwii, you still don't have his mail tho :)
[04:53] <kwwii> pygi: I think it was in the resume he sent
[04:53] <goldenear> Lure: there are the fixed files
[04:53] <Lure> goldenear: great - was it reviewed by Tonio_?
[04:53] <kwwii> or rather that you sent
[04:53] <pygi> kwwii, hm,oki :)
[04:53] <Riddell> kwwii: is there a way to get that with the gear kubuntu logo?  that's the ubuntu logo that's being used
[04:54] <Lure> goldenear: I would like to have workaround documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems (I added link to bug already)
[04:54] <kwwii> Riddell: hehe, yeah, I didn't notice that
[04:54] <goldenear> Lure: yes. Tonio has taken the profilerc there to rebuild a k-d-s package for dapper-updates :D
[04:55] <Lure> goldenear: just profilerc is needed for crash fix, right? other two .desktop files are something else?
[05:03] <Lure> goldenear: have attached your fixed file to the bug  and updated wiki page
[05:03] <goldenear> ok thanks
[05:04] <goldenear> the .desktop files are not really *needed* but they add to kmplayer the ability to deal with more mimetypes
[05:04] <goldenear> so I recommand to use them also
[05:04] <Lure> goldenear: ok, that would be great too
[05:05] <goldenear> Lure: I'm trying to upload an install file to automatically copy the files the right places
[05:05] <kwwii> dude, this kubuntu logo is really poorly made - I hope nobody paid money for this work
[05:11] <Riddell> kwwii: which one are you using?
[05:13] <kwwii> Riddell: the eps 
[05:13] <goldenear> Riddell: do you plan to rebuild a new amarock 1.4 package soon ? The splash screen bug is very anoying.
[05:13] <kwwii> the paths are not connected and there is a bunch of little tiny paths as well,. I guess they are to fix small mistakes in the paths of the text
[05:13] <Riddell> goldenear: no
[05:15] <goldenear> Riddell: do you if this bug is specific of kubuntu or is it a general amarok bug (affecting any distro) ? 
[05:19] <Riddell> goldenear: probably amarok
[05:20] <goldenear> ok thx
[05:20] <kwwii> so, I guess in order to do the same thing with the kubuntu logo I get to make the whole logo again
[05:21] <Riddell> kwwii: you could try with the original SVG on KubuntuArtwork
[05:22] <kwwii> Riddell: yeah, I will try that
[05:25] <kwwii> well, actually it is the svg that is of poor quality
[05:25] <kwwii> none of the paths are closed
[05:25] <kwwii> this sucks
[05:25] <Riddell> I wouldn't spend too much time on it, the one you have already is lovely and most people won't notice the lack of gears on the logo
[05:27] <seaLne> dosen't it just look like the ubuntu logo now tho?
[05:28] <kwwii> Riddell: I will try for another few minutes....see what I can come up with 
[05:31] <raphink> Riddell: weren't the latest svn .desktop files sync for adept when 2.0 was uploaded?
[05:31] <raphink> :sz
[05:32] <Riddell> raphink: no, I'm afraid we didn't do an SVN snapshot
[05:32] <raphink> argh
[05:32] <raphink> so that means Kubuntu is going to be released with the main KDE menu half translated in French and I translated the "Add/Remove programs" 3 months ago
[05:32] <raphink> :(
[05:33] <raphink> why, I don't get that, the Comment[fr]  is there, but not the Name[fr] 
[05:33] <raphink> Riddell: I guess if I add Name[fr]  today it won't be accepted anymore?
[05:34] <Riddell> not for dapper
[05:34] <raphink> what a shame
[05:34] <Riddell> could well get into dapper updates though if you want to prepare a package that only updates the translations in the .desktop files
[05:35] <raphink> sure
[05:35] <Riddell> put it on DapperReleaseRadar under updates
[05:35] <raphink> and then I just have to upload it ?
[05:35] <raphink> like usually?
[05:36] <Riddell> you will need to get matt's approval
[05:36] <Riddell> and put dapper-changes in the changelog as the distro
[05:36] <raphink> ok
[05:36] <raphink> ic
[05:36] <Riddell> don't do it until friday though
[05:37] <raphink> ok
[05:37] <raphink> you mean ask him?
[05:37] <raphink> or just upload?
[05:37] <Riddell> both
[05:37] <raphink> ok
[05:37] <raphink> fine...
[05:39] <raphink> how do you feel about the release Riddell?
[05:40] <Riddell> I feel it's going to rock
[05:40] <raphink> great :)
[05:40] <Riddell> what do you think?
[05:40] <raphink> well it's really much better than Breezy, no wonder
[05:40] <raphink> and people who switch are just amazed
[05:40] <Hobbsee> +1 raphink 
[05:41] <raphink> so i'm happy with it
[05:41] <Riddell> ubiquity seems to work well, except for seaLne 
[05:41] <raphink> I guess I feel it could have been more stable even
[05:41] <raphink> but that's because I see the bugs from the dev point of view
[05:41] <seaLne> yeah how come i get stupid errors with it? :P
[05:41] <raphink> I guess most users won't find most of the left bugs
[05:42] <Hobbsee> seaLne: it just doesnt like you :P
[05:42] <seaLne> the bad thing is that you can't sync palms (without messing) or pocketpc devices
[05:43] <seaLne> i think peripherals is somethingto work on in edgy
[05:43] <Riddell> seaLne: do you think that's kubuntu specific or KDE in general?
[05:43] <seaLne> palms is ubuntu's crappy kernel and there are newer versions of raki now than in dapper
[05:44] <Riddell> anyone have a windows machine and able to take a screenshot of the winfoss software?
[05:44] <seaLne> just sticking the live cd in?
[05:45] <Riddell> seaLne: yep
[05:45] <seaLne> i'll do it in the next 30min if thats ok?
[05:45] <Riddell> seaLne: and maybe install something so you can have a screenshot of software + winfoss installer
[05:45] <Riddell> that's perfect
[05:45] <seaLne> not sure what you mean by install something?
[05:46] <imbrandon> like firefox running too
[05:46] <Riddell> install one of the programmes
[05:46] <Riddell> not firefox, something more KDE like, scribus maybe
[05:46] <seaLne> i've never actually stuck the live cd in a windoze machine :)
[05:46] <seaLne> ok
[05:49] <goldenear> has it been decided that kpowersave will replace klaptopdaemon on edgy ? Or doesn't any decision has been taken yet ?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> goldenear: i hope it'll be replaced in edgy
[05:50] <Riddell> goldenear: no decision yet
[05:51] <Riddell> although it seems likely
[05:51] <Hobbsee> quietly, of course.  parents are asleep.
[05:51] <Riddell> but we'd need some sort of testing plan to make that decision
[05:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'd think that most people are testing it now...
[05:52] <Hobbsee> as soon as they come with issues about "how do i hibernate/suspend" we point them straight to kpowersave, and they have no more problem :P
[05:52] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well... more or less.. it sucks here (as Klpatop...
[05:52] <Hobbsee> OdyX: which are you saying is the bad oen?  klaptop, right?
[05:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. both klaptop and kpowersave suck...
[05:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: both don't seem to manage correctly my Dell Latitude and it's "nvidia" prop'driver.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[05:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think goldenear had a problem
[05:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true - it's certainly got a way to go...
[05:54] <OdyX> which of the both does use Canonical's efforts for hibernation ?
[05:56] <Riddell> OdyX: klaptopdaemon
[05:56] <Riddell> OdyX: that's why we didn't change to kpowersave in dapper
[05:56] <goldenear> Hobbsee: indeed, kpowersave can suspend my computer... but my computeur crashed at wake up :(
[05:56] <OdyX> Riddell: well.... That's bad..
[05:56] <Hobbsee> goldenear: ack.
[05:56] <Riddell> goldenear: does it work with sudo pmi action suspend ?
[05:57] <goldenear> yes it does
[05:57] <OdyX> Riddell: but those modifications could go upstream to kpowersave, huh ?
[05:57] <Riddell> OdyX: I doubt they'd be portable
[05:57] <goldenear> sudo pmi action suspend <- it's the only way I found to suspend my computer properly
[05:58] <goldenear> I have no problem to suspend my computeur with Gnome
[05:58] <goldenear> this is really a KDE/Kubuntu issue :(
[05:59] <Riddell> goldenear: that's all klaptopdaemon does hwhen you choose suspend with it, does that not work?
[05:59] <goldenear> no klaptopdaemon doesn't work for me...
[06:00] <goldenear> I mean it doesn't want to display the little icon in the systray
[06:00] <goldenear> so I have no way to suspend the computer with it :(
[06:00] <Lure> goldenear: I was pushing kpowersave a lot, but we should replace if we can use more Ubuntu infrastructure (pmi...)
[06:01] <Lure> problem is that powersave (pushed by SuSE) is not working well with gnome-power-manager infrasturcture (Ubuntu default)
[06:01] <Lure> and there are also some politics between the teams
[06:01] <goldenear> I really think kubuntu should use the ubuntu infrastucture for acpi as it works well for gnome
[06:02] <goldenear> we may just need to create kpmi :)
[06:02] <Lure> Hobbsee: that bug was fixed
[06:02] <Hobbsee> oh okay
[06:02] <Lure> I nailed it down to acpi-support deadlock and there was no crash afterall ;-)
[06:03] <Lure> klaptop code is ugly as hell and I for sure do not want to maintain it ;-)
[06:03] <imbrandon> gnight folks 
[06:03] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[06:03] <goldenear> Lure: so what not to start a new project for kubuntu egdy ? 
[06:04] <Lure> I personally hope we can ge uswsusp in Edgy (as they plan 2.6.17 kernel) and then we need to work tighly with Ubuntu laptop people to get involved soon enough
[06:04] <goldenear> I mean, a simple script using the acpi/pmi commands could do the trick
[06:04] <Lure> I hope somebody from Kubuntu team will follow PM discussions in Paris and that we will get involved from day 1
[06:04] <imbrandon> got a spot right here all warmed up for ya Hobbsee ........ well kinda cept its accross the globe ;) j/k  sleep well , Riddell dont stress too much before release ;)
[06:04] <imbrandon> see you all once dapper is on the streets
[06:05] <Lure> goldenear: that I have done already in Feb (see mailing list), but it is more than that - main problem is CPU frequency stuff: pwoersave does it on it's own and it cannot work with powernowd that is Ubuntu's default
[06:07] <goldenear> I personally hope we can ge uswsusp in Edgy <-- why not ?
[06:08] <Lure> Riddell: goldenear problem with klaptop is that he is using it on desktop that does not have full ACPI implementation (like notebooks). Klaptop has all kind of old cruft with acpi stuff (not really needed these days) for detecting machines and this prevents to offer Suspend/Hibernate in systray
[06:09] <goldenear> exactly
[06:09] <Riddell> ah
[06:09] <Lure> goldenear: only 0.1 was released - I plan to test it in next weeks...
[06:09] <Lure> goldenear: maybe we should start writing the spec for Edgy for PM and hotkey stuff 
[06:10] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ how is this done (skip answer if you are busy with release)
[06:10] <Hobbsee> Lure: finally.  hehe
[06:11] <goldenear> is there a wiki page somewhere with a todo list for edgy (including wishlist) ?
[06:11] <raphink> goldenear: you should look at specs
[06:11] <raphink> for edgy
[06:12] <raphink> http://launchpad.net/specs iirc
[06:12] <Riddell> Lure: create it in launchpad if you can, add the wiki page to KubuntuFutureIdeas
[06:13] <Lure> goldenear: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuFutureIdeas
[06:14] <goldenear> thnaks
[06:15] <Lure> Riddell: there is one (mostly empty) already:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-power-management 
[06:15] <OdyX> I have some reports about bad sound (headphones' sound bad, distortionned, PCM slider without effect), can someone confirm ?
[06:17] <Riddell> Lure: yeah, use that
[06:17] <Lure> Riddell: will look around how others are doing it and do initial braindump
[06:18] <Riddell> Lure: thanks
[06:20] <Hobbsee> crap, it's 2.30am....
[06:20] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: sleep =)
[06:20] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i was talking, and keyboards dont make great pillows
[06:20] <Hobbsee> fluffy scarves and physics textbooks do though...
[06:21] <apokryphos> keyboards aren't so bad; if you get the keypresses just right they make an ok-ish rest :P
[06:21] <apokryphos> the marks on your face the next day aren't so great though
[06:24] <goldenear> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPowersave?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=logout.png <-- I really would like that in edgy
[06:25] <Lure> goldenear: me too, but we need to know if we need it for klaptop or kpowersave first ;-)
[06:26] <goldenear> what does gnome use ?
[06:27] <goldenear> doesn't is simply use a frontend to acpi-tools/powernowd ?
[06:28] <OdyX> well kpowersave is cool by conception
[06:28] <OdyX> but still sucks.
[06:28] <goldenear> at least it hangs my compture at wake up :(
[06:28] <seaLne> Riddell: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/1.png http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/2.png http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/3.png http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/4.png
[06:29] <seaLne> Riddell: those any use?
[06:30] <seaLne> just noticed there was other stuff visible in the taskbar but i presume you'd crop them anyway?
[06:30] <Riddell> seaLne: could we have number 3 but with the scribus window a bit smaller and to the right so you can see more of the kubuntu window
[06:31] <seaLne> k
[06:31] <Riddell> I want full screen shots, I won't crop them, it's ok to have other stuff in the systray Windows is just like that
[06:36] <seaLne> i'll run mcafee update first then so the wee yellow warning thing goes away :)
[06:36] <toma> eps
[06:37] <seaLne> err and windows updates, this laptop hasn't been in windows for a while
 err and windows updates, this laptop hasn't been in windows for a while <-- with kubuntu the need for windows is almost inexistant :)
[06:38] <seaLne> yeah but screenshots shpwing unpatched machines are embarasing :)
[06:43] <apokryphos> I blindly clicked on the Testing/Current link so I ended up getting the Ubuntu iso instead of the kubu one :|
[06:43] <seaLne> Riddell: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/5.png
[06:44] <apokryphos> hm, doesn't entirely help that both the isos are called the exact same thing dapper -- dapper-dvd-amd64.iso
[06:46] <Riddell> seaLne: could you put the scribus window up against the right hand edge?
[06:47] <seaLne> hehe the "scroll wheel" of the track pad on this laptop dosen't work in winxoze
[06:48] <apokryphos> 700 kb/sec, nice ;-)
[06:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: both isos?
[06:48] <apokryphos> Riddell: ubuntu one and the kubuntu one
[06:49] <Riddell> ah right
[06:50] <seaLne> don't download the ubuntu one and you won't get confused :)
[06:50] <apokryphos> Yeah, I wasn't really thinking much at the time 8)
[06:58] <Lure> raphink just uploaded adept... is this for Edgy? ;-)
[06:58] <seaLne> Riddell: http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/winfoss/6.png sorry for the delay there windows insisted on restarting
[06:58] <Riddell> seaLne: perfect, thanks
[06:59] <seaLne> anything else or can i go home now? :)
[06:59] <bddebian> heh
[07:03] <Riddell> seaLne: did you test a DVD?
[07:03] <seaLne> not today, thursday or friday i think
[07:04] <mornfall> Lure: what?
[07:04] <Riddell> seaLne: we'll have released by then :)
[07:04] <seaLne> last thursday or friday i tested it
[07:04] <Riddell> oh I see
[07:04] <Lure> mornfall: raphink uploaded new adept with fixed french tranlsation of .desktop file (to -updates)
[07:04] <mornfall> okey
[07:04] <Riddell> seaLne: if your bandwidth is available for torrenting tomorrow that would be great
[07:05] <seaLne> do you need the dvd tested today?
[07:05] <Riddell> seaLne: yes, but don't feel you have to if you want to go home
[07:06] <goldenear> Lure: I've compiled Kaffeine 8.1 from a debian source
[07:06] <goldenear> it still crashed konqueror (when used instead of kmplayer)
[07:09] <bddebian> marseillai: So get to work ;-)
[07:10] <marseillai> looolllll
[07:10] <goldenear> marseillai: do you own a sparc ?
[07:10] <marseillai> they took several month to have ubuntu-server running on sparc bddebian ! ;)
[07:10] <OdyX> this is weird, no ?
[07:10] <marseillai> i think i'll use debian.....
[07:10] <Riddell> marseillai: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/20060531/dapper-desktop-sparc.iso
[07:10] <Riddell> please test
[07:10] <OdyX> Debian port exists, no ?
[07:10] <marseillai> uhhhhhhhhhhh
[07:11] <bddebian> heh
[07:11] <Riddell> marseillai: I have no idea if it work, would be really interesting if you could test it
[07:11] <bddebian> Damn all you people are making me want to get a Sparc too :-)
[07:11] <marseillai> Riddell: i've got my sparc on thursday! :) he'll become a multimedia server and kubuntu will be great....... :D
[07:12] <Riddell> marseillai: new or second hand?
[07:12] <marseillai> Riddell: second hand
[07:12] <marseillai> free ...
[07:12] <Riddell> best thing to do with sparcs really, throw them out and give them to a geek
[07:12] <marseillai> my school are on the way to give them (20) to every one who want one!
[07:12] <bddebian> Ack, I want one!
[07:12] <Riddell> marseillai: what model?
[07:13] <seaLne> marseillai: out of interest what spec (not that i'm wanting one)
[07:13] <marseillai> really don't know
[07:13] <Riddell> anyone have a screenshot of skim?
[07:14] <seaLne> hmm downloading dvd at 3M, downloading sparc cd at 150k :(
[07:15] <seaLne> Riddell: do you have any luck rsyncing the ISOs? it never seems to work for me
[07:16] <Riddell> seaLne: rsyncing is uber slow today
[07:16] <Riddell> the cdimage machine must be getting hammered
[07:16] <seaLne> i've never sucessfully rsynced
[07:16] <seaLne> even in quiet times
[07:17] <Riddell> what happens?
[07:17] <seaLne> nothing at all rsync just sits there, i think one time i left it a few days
[07:20] <Lure> seaLne: rsync works for me always, it is just a bit slow today (doing DVD just now)
[07:20] <Riddell> strange
[07:20] <seaLne> Lure: what do you do?
[07:20] <Riddell> possibly the server doesn't like your IP, but then it should quit with an error
[07:20] <Lure> rsync -CvzapP --stats rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso .
[07:20] <seaLne> it was ~6months ago i last tried, but i tried quite a few times
[07:21] <Lure> actually it is at full speed currnently again (I have 1MBit only)
[07:24] <goldenear> Lure: may ne kuaffeine should be replaced in egdy
[07:25] <Lure> goldenear: I am sure it will get updated - it was considered for Dapper, but it came a bit late (with no clear benefit in terms of critical issues)
[07:27] <seaLne> what is the likely time UTC that dapper will be released?
[07:27] <crimsun> "when it's ready"
[07:29] <crimsun> do you think I'm joking?
[07:31] <Riddell> seaLne: no idea unfortunately
[07:32] <seaLne> k
[07:33] <goldenear> Lure: when I say replaced, I mean by something else... not just updated
[07:34] <Lure> goldenear: I see - ask Riddell - any suggestion?
[07:34] <goldenear> Kmplayer ?
[07:34] <goldenear> (with a little comestic it can be very nice)
[07:34] <seaLne> its a pity there isn't a decent front end to vlc
[07:35] <goldenear> seaLne: indeed, kvlc is still using gtk :(
[07:35] <Riddell> goldenear: what's wrong with kaffeine?
[07:37] <crimsun> goldenear: file a bug and I'll fix it for edgy.
[07:38] <goldenear> seaLne: the issue with vlc is that it uses its own media framework... I think it's better to use a shared media framework like gstreamer or xine
[07:38] <seaLne> Riddell: should kwallet really be enabled on the desktop iso?
[07:38] <Riddell> comments welcome http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.06-lts-release.php
[07:39] <Riddell> seaLne: probably we should disable it on the live desktop
[07:39] <Riddell> but too late now, file a bug on casper
[07:40] <goldenear> riddell: what's wrong with kaffeine? <-- it's buggy, crashes konqueror
[07:40] <Riddell> that's why we (tried to) replace the plugin with kmplayer
[07:40] <crimsun> seaLne: / goldenear: no, that would be a bug in the build script if kvlc is still depending on gtk
[07:41] <goldenear> Riddell: why not to use kmplayer also as the default standalone player
[07:42] <crimsun> mplayer is in multiverse, so that can't be the case.
[07:42] <goldenear> [19:40]  <crimsun> seaLne: / goldenear: no, that would be a bug in the build script if kvlc is still depending on gtk <-- kvlc seems to be only a dummy package installing xwvlc
[07:42] <crimsun> goldenear: yes, I didn't have time to merge Debian changes. I'll work on it in Edgy.
[07:42] <goldenear> crimsun: I'm speaking about kmplayer, not mplayer
[07:43] <Lure> Riddell: Alternative CD - shouldn't it be Alternate CD?
 goldenear: yes, I didn't have time to merge Debian changes. I'll work on it in Edgy. <-- are you speaking about vlc ?
[07:45] <Lure> Riddell: "help you fix any problems to your X driver settings" is a bit bold statement for Display Guidance...
[07:46] <seaLne> and bad grammer :)
[07:48] <Lure> Riddell: I would also mention KNetworkManager (even though it is not installed by default - is it on CD at least?)
[07:48] <Tonio_> hi all
[07:48] <Lure> Riddell: any mirror for downloads?
[07:48] <Lure> Tonio_: hi!
[07:49] <goldenear> hi Tonio_
[07:49] <goldenear> Tonio_: tu as eu mon message ?
[07:49] <Tonio_> par mail ?
[07:50] <goldenear> non tout  l'heure sur l'irc
[07:50] <goldenear> Tonio_: j'ai corrig une petite erreur dans mon profilerc
[07:52] <Tonio_> goldenear: envoie le moi par mail
[07:52] <goldenear> Tonio_: j'ai upload le fichier mis  jour: http://goldenear.online.fr/ubuntu/kmplayer/
[07:53] <goldenear> Tonio_: j'avais mis application/rn-readmedia au lieu de application/vnd.realmedia ... la fatigue :)
[07:55] <Tonio_> goldenear: tu le fais  la main le fichier ?
[07:55] <goldenear> Tonio_: c'est juste a la modif. tu peux rcuprer le fichier pour mettre  jour ton paquet.
[07:55] <Tonio_> moi je le fais direct dans konq, c plus simple
[07:55] <goldenear> Tonio_: oui avec kate
[07:56] <goldenear> Sorry Lure
[07:57] <Lure> goldenear: no pb - feel free to continue, I am just joking ;-)
[07:57] <goldenear> Tonio_: je suis sur d'tre plus exhaustif en le faisant  la main :)
[07:58] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe
[07:58] <goldenear> Lure: the french conversation is closed ;)
[07:59] <Lure> so, Tonio_ is profilerc fix on it's way to -updates (raphink did one upload already)
[07:59] <raphink> hein?
[07:59] <raphink> hehe
[08:00] <raphink> I had the 2nd dapper-updates :)
[08:00] <seaLne> can someone with a live dvd/cd check if you can reproduce pen drive mounting, unmounting then it never prompting to mount again?
[08:00] <seaLne> when plugging in
[08:02] <Tonio_> Lure: raphink did an upload of kds ?
[08:02] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ?
[08:02] <Lure> Tonio_: no, adept french translation
[08:02] <Tonio_> Lure: let me prepare the package
[08:02] <Tonio_> raphink: you can upload ?
[08:05] <raphink> don't think I'm not answering Tonio_, I am :)
[08:05] <seaLne> prove it :)
[08:05] <Tonio_> seaLne: don't listen to him........ he simply ignores me :'(
[08:06] <Lure> seaLne: NOOO - we will get a big paste of french ;-)
[08:10] <kmon> Riddell: there's a bug in your kde 3.5.3 packages, missing dependency for amd64: libartsc0_1.5.3-0ubuntu0.1
[08:13] <kmon> Riddell: there's no .deb for amd64 arch
[08:16] <seaLne> sparc: fail :(
[08:32] <Riddell> seaLne: what's up with it?
[08:32] <Riddell> seaLne: release scheduled for 10am BST
[08:33] <seaLne> k
[08:33] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/47750
[08:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47750 in linux-source-2.6.15 "sparc kubuntu desktop fails to boot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[08:52] <seaLne> fails on ultra10 aswell :(
[09:00] <apokryphos> amd64 dvd starts up+runs just fine; gonna test install
[09:00] <apokryphos> interesting modified windeco
[09:05] <apokryphos> hm, from the partitioner it's not possible to apply /home label without partitioning?
[09:06] <Lure> interesting: Kubuntu PPC is not available over shipit (Ubuntu PPC is)
[09:06] <apokryphos> yeah
[09:07] <apokryphos> ah, that's in the next step I see
[09:08] <seaLne> Riddell: i386 DVD looking good
[09:09] <raphink> Lure: that's not interesting, that's sad :(
[09:09] <raphink> :'(
[09:09] <Lure> raphink: true - not sure what the reason might be (edubuntu is i386 only)
[09:10] <apokryphos> money, probably
[09:10] <raphink> I guess :(
[09:10] <Lure> apokryphos: sure - this is great step and I am really thankful for this investment
[09:10] <raphink> with all the ppcs we have in the dev team, it's a shame :(
[09:10] <raphink> but yes, we can be happy that there is i386 and amd64 at least
[09:11] <apokryphos> edubuntu doesn't have a desktop CD though, that's why, eh?
[09:11] <apokryphos> still seperate live/install
[09:11] <raphink> ah
[09:13] <raphink> but much happier :)
[09:14] <apokryphos> is the site getting a revamp at all for dapper?
[09:14] <apokryphos> I hear ubuntu.com is
[09:14] <Lure> raphink: not sure after two sparc install failures...
[09:14] <apokryphos> dang
[09:16] <apokryphos> ah, it's already had the makeover in fact
[09:20] <apokryphos> That was possibly the quickest Linux install I've ever done 8)
[09:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: amd64 dvd install went totally smoothly =)
[09:37] <Flosoft> hey
[09:37] <Flosoft> what happened to the Kubuntu Website?
[09:38] <Flosoft> the font is large?
[09:40] <kmon> yes
[09:41] <kmon> I'm seeing the same large fonts
[09:42] <Flosoft> Riddell: Is there already version 6.06 final out there for the mirrors?
[09:57] <Flosoft> the font is really weird
[09:57] <Flosoft> it is huge
[09:58] <Flosoft> I think the CSS if messed up?
[09:59] <seaLne> looks normal to me
[09:59] <Flosoft> no ... as kmon also said ... it became huge
[10:03] <kmon> does anyone here use amd64?
[10:14] <kmon> tomorrow the world ends ;)
[10:18] <goldenear> crimsun: ping
[10:18] <crimsun> goldenear: pong
[10:18] <goldenear> crimsun: I didn't get it: do you plan to compile vlc with a native QT UI ?
[10:20] <kmon> that would totally rock
[10:21] <crimsun> goldenear: I plan to fix the build rules so that Qt is used (again).
[10:22] <kmon> crimsun: and provide some unofficial packages? :)
[10:22] <crimsun> kmon: it may go into dapper-updates, otherwise, edgy.
[10:22] <goldenear> but vlc uses wxwindow... and wxwindows doesn't support QT ?
[10:22] <seaLne> didn't vlc decide to only use wx?
[10:23] <crimsun> yes, they did, though somewhere there are rules to use Qt
[10:23] <crimsun> I just have to dig 'em up
[10:24] <crimsun> a lot of work, so don't hold your breath for dapper-updates.
[10:24] <goldenear> I hope you'll find the QT rules for vlc 0.8.5 (or highter)
[10:25] <crimsun> well I'll be targetting 0.8.5, yes. I don't plan to work on 0.8.4 unless there are security issues.
[10:25] <goldenear> crimsun: may be using qtgtk would be faster
[10:25] <goldenear> crimsun: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/tutorials/qtgtk/main.html
[10:26] <goldenear> but if it's really possible a real native QT frontend would of course be better :)
[10:27] <goldenear> vlc is a nice seconde choice player (to help when the default player is not able to play a specific format)
[10:28] <goldenear> also I use vlc to watch tv from my freebox :)
[10:28] <kmon> vlc plays everything, including new quicktime format
[10:28] <kmon> it would be nice to have native interface
[10:28] <kmon> in kubuntu
[10:28] <goldenear> vlc is based on ffmpeg, isn't it ?
[10:29] <kmon> not suer
[10:29] <kmon> sure
[10:30] <crimsun> goldenear: yes.
[10:31] <robotgeek> i like kmplayer on kde, very nice especially konq integration
[10:32] <goldenear> I also like it
[10:32] <goldenear> imho kmplayer should replace kaffeine as the default player in edgy
[10:33] <goldenear> I've compile the lastest version of kaffeine (v 8.1)
[10:34] <goldenear> it's still pretty buggy... and it's comming more "fat" with more function like audio CD extraction
[10:36] <goldenear> kmplayer is lighter
[10:36] <goldenear> but the standalone would need a little cosmetic
[10:37] <goldenear> the playlist management is awful imho
[10:46] <kmon> Riddell: once dapper is out, can you take a look at your kde 3.5.3 packages? the amd64 packages are broken in arts
[10:50] <kwwii> Riddell: http://bootsplash.org/kubuntu-announce.png
[10:50] <kwwii> it takes 35 minutes to render one pic, so that is about as good as it gets for today
[10:51] <apokryphos> kwwii: image: nice!
[10:52] <kmon> kwwii: nice :)
[10:52] <kmon> kwwii: for edgy we need an "edgy" kubuntu logo
[10:52] <kmon> hehe
[10:53] <goldenear> kwwii: very nice :)
[10:53] <pygi> kwwii, enjoy :)
[10:54] <goldenear> kwwii: 35 min to render this ??? 
[10:54] <pygi> goldenear, whats the issue with 35 minutes? :)
[10:55] <goldenear> it's pretty long for just a simple pic
[10:55] <pygi> it's not so simple if you look at it
[10:56] <nixternal> although somebody misspelled Drake as Dreake
[10:56] <pygi> nixternal, hehe :)
[10:56] <pygi> lol
[10:57] <nixternal> i am like a lil kid on christmas day right now
[10:59] <goldenear> pygi: it's not so simple, but 35 min is very long... I wonder what is the picture made with.
[11:00] <pygi> goldenear, probably some modelling software... I know once upon the time when I was making a 3D chess game, the scene made with reactor in 3Ds Max took 2 days to render
[11:00] <pygi> (It wasnt me who was designing, not to be mistaken, but it was great)
[11:00] <pygi> on a 3GB machine with 2GB ram
[11:03] <goldenear> pygi: two days is two long even for a very detailed picture...
[11:03] <goldenear> a picture should not take more than 10 min to render on a 3gig PIV
[11:04] <goldenear> if it needs more time, so some optimisation is needed somewhere
[11:12] <seaLne> kwwii: looking good except it feels as if the wheel is off center presumably due to having the 2 cogs on the right
[11:15] <seaLne> kwwii: ah its centered on the edges of the wheel including cogs rather than the wheel, which is why to me it looks a bit unbalanced, maybe you'd conside seeing what it looked like centered just on the wheel part of the logo rather than wheel and cogs, if that made any sense
[11:17] <trappist> I guess it's too late to get a bugfix in before release?  even a crash bug with a fix from upstream converted to a debdiff and tested?
[11:17] <Lure> trappist: which bug - it may enter -updates
[11:17] <trappist> bug #43329
[11:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43329 in kdebase "Konqueror Krashes after posting to myweb2.search.yahoo.com" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43329
[11:17] <seaLne> kwwii: although i did just notice the k is a bit fursther from the edge than the u which might be confusing me
[11:19] <Flosoft> is Kubuntu Dapper now being launched?
[11:20] <Flosoft> I am waiting for the file to put it onto the server
[11:20] <Lure> trappist: you may ask Riddell to atleast include it as patch to his 3.5.3 packages
[11:20] <Lure> Flosoft: it is already avaliable as daily cd
[11:21] <crimsun> trappist: it's absolutely too late; the images are rsyncing, but -updates is feasible
[11:21] <Flosoft> Lure: I am waiting for the ISO for the Mirrors
[11:21] <Flosoft> or the torrents to the ISOs
[11:21] <trappist> Lure: if 3.5.3 won't be in dapper, I'm sure this fix will make it into whatever version ends up in edgy, as it's in the upstream svn
[11:21] <trappist> crimsun: -updates is cool
[11:21] <crimsun> Flosoft: today's daily is the final.
[11:22] <Lure> trappist: 3.5.3 may get to -updates (they plan to get latest gnome there)
[11:22] <Flosoft> where can I get it?
[11:22] <Flosoft> link?
[11:22] <Lure> trappist: Riddell said that we need "decent packages"
[11:22] <Lure> Flosoft: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current
[11:23] <Lure> Flosoft: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[11:23] <trappist> Lure: I didn't think we did upstream version upgrades in -updates, but I'm sure not complaining.  Riddel is a subscriber to the bug, so I guess we'll see what happens with it.
[11:23] <Lure> Flosoft: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/
[11:23] <Flosoft> ok thx
[11:29] <Flosoft> why is this an alternate image?
[11:29] <Flosoft> why not the install?
[11:30] <apokryphos> Flosoft: desktop is live+install
[11:30] <apokryphos> Flosoft: alternative is the old classic install
[11:30] <Flosoft> ok
[11:30] <Flosoft> but when will there be a real release of the file?
[11:32] <apokryphos> some time on the 1st of june
[11:32] <Flosoft> ok
[11:33] <Lure> Flosoft: Riddell mentioned around 10:00 BST
[11:33] <Flosoft> whats that in CEST?
[11:33] <Lure> (= 9:00 UTC)
[11:33] <Lure> 11:00 CEST
[11:33] <Flosoft> ok
[11:34] <Flosoft> what will the filename be?
[11:35] <Flosoft> kubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso
[11:35] <Flosoft> for example?
[11:36] <Lure> do not know, but probably yes (same as RC without -rc)
[11:36] <Flosoft> ok
[11:50] <bobesponja> the files available will be kubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso, kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso and kubuntu-6.06-live-i386.iso?
[11:50] <bobesponja> or only install and live?
[11:57] <Flosoft> bobesponja: I prepared the mirror pages for: -alternate and -desktop
[11:58] <bobesponja> ok
[11:58] <bobesponja> Flosoft: no install?
[11:58] <Flosoft> no
[11:59] <Flosoft> apparently alternate is install
[11:59] <Flosoft> and desktop is a live cd + installer
[11:59] <bobesponja> ok thanx