[12:06] <green-mouse> Hi, somebody can tall to me, if this posble to include linux-phc to offical kernel? (see bug #46952 today i try`d to boot from ubuntu-live cd on my frend`s laptop, and cpufreq selector don`t work in such a way) 
[12:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46952 in linux-source-2.6.15 "cpufreq don`t work on centrino CPU in  "dapper" (kernel: linux-image-2.6.15-23-686)" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46952
[12:07] <infinity> green-mouse: We had this discussion just a day or two ago, didn't we?
[12:08] <infinity> green-mouse: A) That patch is crack and is just trying to cover up the fact that you have broken ACPI, B) Fix your ACPI tables, C) We're releasing in a day or two, the kernel's not getting changed.
[12:09] <green-mouse> infinity, not only I have broken tables, yes this hack but this can help to many plp...
[12:10] <infinity> green-mouse: From "man mkinitramfs":
[12:10] <infinity>        /etc/mkinitramfs/DSDT.aml
[12:10] <infinity>               If  this  file exists, it will be appended to the initramfs in a way that causes it
[12:10] <infinity>               to be loaded by ACPI.
[12:10] <infinity> green-mouse: There should be plenty of HOWTOs out there (I'm a bit too busy to go hunting right now) on how to hack a DSDT update for your ACPI tables to make them "just work"
[12:11] <doko> the Examples folder is not installed on an install from the live CD?
[12:11] <dholbach> doko: it's in ~
[12:11] <dholbach> doko: not in ~/Desktop/
[12:12] <green-mouse> infinity, infinity ok thenks, I will see what i can do with this, if scceed i will write how to :)
[12:13] <mvo_> dholbach: ping
[12:13] <mvo_> dholbach: still around?
[12:13] <dholbach> mvo_: pong
[12:13] <dholbach> mvo_: yes, around
[12:13] <dholbach> mvo_: still
[12:13] <infinity> bgertzfield: Still alive?
[12:13] <dholbach> mvo_: are YOU still there?
[12:13] <mvo_> dholbach: obviously
[12:13] <bgertzfield> infinity: hai1
[12:13] <bgertzfield> er. hai!
[12:13] <Kamion> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/localechooser-chinese-fix.diff <- review greatly appreciated
[12:14] <infinity> bgertzfield: Japanese much?
[12:14] <bgertzfield> infinity: un, shabererundakedo sa
[12:14] <Kamion> the added hunk is a copy-and-paste of the block below, with s/\$LANGUAGE/${LANGUAGE}_${COUNTRY}/g
[12:14] <bgertzfield> infinity: (yeah, I speak a little. :)
[12:16] <Kamion> seems to be working so far, but I want to test pt_BR, pt, some-random-other-language
[12:16] <infinity> Kamion: Looks sane, I think...
[12:17] <infinity> Kamion: I should probably go fetch some context.
[12:17] <Kamion> copy/paste is maybe not the most elegant way to do it but it's the safest, I think
[12:17] <mvo_> Riddell: ping
[12:18] <infinity> Kamion: Ahh, yes, with a bit more context, it seems entirely sane.
[12:18] <Kamion> also look at the templates file
[12:19] <Kamion> grep for countrychooser/shortlist-
[12:19] <Kamion> e.g.
[12:19] <Kamion> Template: countrychooser/shortlist-ar
[12:19] <Kamion> Template: countrychooser/shortlist-pt
[12:19] <Kamion> Template: countrychooser/shortlist-pt_BR
[12:19] <Kamion> Template: countrychooser/shortlist-zh_CN
[12:19] <Kamion> Template: countrychooser/shortlist-zh_TW
[12:19] <Kamion> no countrychooser/shortlist-zh, and therein lies the crash
[12:24] <doko> Mithrandir: is suspend to disk known not to work on amd64?
[12:25] <doko> Kamion: oem-install asks for a password?
[12:25] <infinity> Kamion: Ahh.  No default zh for political reasons, I suspect?
[12:26] <infinity> Kamion: Anyhow, yes, the bug (and the fix) make even more sense after generating the templates file and looking at it.
[12:27] <Kamion> infinity: zh_CN and zh_TW are basically two different languages - different script etc.
[12:27] <Kamion> two different written languages I mean
[12:27] <Kamion> so it does make some kind of sense to choose them separately, aside from the geopolitical crap
[12:27] <infinity> Kamion: Well, zh_TW users should be able to read zh_CN, though not necessarily the other way around.
[12:27] <infinity> Kamion: But yes, point taken.
[12:27] <Kamion> doko: elaborate?
[12:28] <Kamion> I'm very tired, you need to not be terse :)
[12:28] <infinity> bgertzfield: Okay, I need to review your stuff right now before I pass out for the "night" (where "night" is 8:30am)
[12:29] <Kamion> infinity: I'll drive rebuilds after this lot
[12:29] <doko> Kamion: sorry :) I'm asked for a password during the oem-installation (amd64 DVD), but not for a name and a user name. I suppose, I shouldn't be asked for anything (after confirming the partitioning dialog)
[12:29] <infinity> Kamion: I assume this bug breaks both d-i and ubiquity?
[12:30] <infinity> (Hooray for common codebases -- common bugs!)
[12:30] <Kamion> infinity: it does indeed
[12:30] <Kamion> doko: no, that's correct, the password is for the oem user that gets created for customisation
[12:30] <Kamion> it's kind of er not very well-documented, but that's what it's for
[12:30] <doko> ok, thanks
[12:31] <seb128> is edubuntu liveCD on amd64 read to try now?
[12:31] <Kamion> I think the installer does tell you that later on
[12:31] <infinity> seb128: Yes, except that Kamion's going to do a mass rebuild soon. :/
[12:31] <infinity> seb128: Testing the current image to find OTHER showstoppers won't hurt. :)
[12:31] <seb128> infinity: oh? what change do we want to get?
[12:32] <infinity> seb128: Fatal localechooser bug in d-i and ubiquity.  See above.
[12:32] <seb128> ok
[12:32] <seb128> I've a planner trivial fix to upload (planner is not on the CD afaik), should I upload it now so I don't forget about it or better later?
[12:33] <infinity> Better in -updates.
[12:33] <seb128> (define the mimetype as an xml format other way nautilus refuses to open a .planner)
[12:33] <infinity> We're aiming for a "change nothing but localechooser" rebuild, so all the previous testing isn't  awaste.
[12:33] <seb128> ok
[12:33] <seb128> I don't think planner is on the CD
[12:33] <seb128> so it should not impact
[12:33] <infinity> Something even more trivial than your change (and with higher impact) was already rejected. :)
[12:33] <seb128> but as you wish
[12:34] <infinity> seb128: Well, if it's not on the CD, you can ask mdz or Kamion, but I suspect we'd all prefer to just get the CDs tested and let the archive as it stands now be "the final dapper"
[12:34] <infinity> A day of testing will make people cranky.  Another day of testing tomorrow, because today wasn't good enough, will make people even more cranky. :)
[12:34] <seb128> fine, with me :) That was just to not forget about the fix again (I thought it was fixed but the upload got rejected some time ago)
[12:42] <maswan> se.{archive,releases} on new hardware and software now. poke me in case it has broken.
[12:47] <jono> hey
[12:47] <Keybuk> heyhey
[12:48] <jono> heya Keybuk
[12:48] <jono> hows things?
[12:48] <Keybuk> Kamion: I wonder, is there an en_SO translation?
[12:48] <Keybuk> (English as spoken to one's partner)
[12:48] <Keybuk> jono: uh...
[12:48] <Keybuk> jono: "Everything will be OK"
[12:49] <jono> Keybuk: heh, I guess you are all working like nuts right now
[12:49] <Keybuk> something like that
[12:51] <dholbach> ogra: tell me when you finished editing the wiki?
[12:54] <ogra> dholbach, sorry, resolving a conflict
[12:55] <ogra> dholbach, go ahead
[12:56] <dholbach> ogra: merci
[12:56] <infinity> bgertzfield: The reason Mithrandir's hacking of debian/control worked, BTW, is cause your KVERS/MAIN_PACKAGE_BUILD stuff doesn't work.
[12:57] <infinity> bgertzfield: KVERS isn't set at all, so ifeq ($(KVERS), unknown) doesn't trip.
[12:57] <ogra> mdz, edubuntu install ppc all good
[12:58] <infinity> bgertzfield: I suspect you just want "ifeq ($(KVERS),)"
[01:01] <infinity> bgertzfield: If you can confirm that, the rest looks good, and I can just fix that and upload.
[01:01] <Kamion> right, I can't make this break
[01:02] <infinity> Kamion: \o/
[01:03] <infinity> Kamion: I'm still here to drive LP, so let me know when you're ready.
[01:04] <sabdf1> Kamion: did it turn out to be a small fix?
[01:04] <infinity> Kamion: Oh, I see it's uploaded already.
[01:04] <infinity> Kamion: Confirm that the one uploaded is the one you want? :)
[01:04] <Keybuk> infinity: should be ubiquity and localechooser uploads?
[01:04] <infinity> Just localechooser, so far.
[01:04] <Keybuk> Kamion sez "nearly"
[01:05] <infinity> (And a universe upload that is going in for free with this run as well)
[01:05] <Kamion> sabdf1: two small fixes
[01:05] <infinity> Keybuk: May as well process the mopac7 upload too.
[01:05] <Kamion> both ll_CC handling
[01:05] <infinity> Yay, MOTU.
[01:06] <Keybuk> infinity: ah, the legendary MOTU Freeze
[01:06] <Keybuk> "Freeze" ... "You moved!"
[01:06] <Keybuk> :)
[01:06] <mdke> sounds like the UI freeze
[01:06] <infinity> mdke: Bitter much? :)
[01:06] <sabdf1> sugar for all you bitter people :-)
[01:07] <mdke> infinity: that wasn't meant as bitter, just a joke
[01:07] <infinity> sabdf1: Hey, I'll be missing the release party, since I'm way over on the other side of the planet.  Feel free to ship some goodwill over here. :)
[01:07] <azeem> infinity: yeah, process mopac!
[01:07] <mdke> I won't turn down some free sugar though
[01:09] <sabdf1> hot damn, we must have enough sydney users + developers to have a release party (or at least a few beers) down under
[01:09] <sabdf1> infinity: if you can organise it, i can chip in for some beers
[01:09] <Robot101> ooh, release beer
[01:09] <infinity> sabdf1: Except that I'm in Melbourne, not Sydney. :P
[01:10] <sabdf1> doh
[01:10] <Kamion> localechooser 0.27ubuntu22 and ubiquity 1.0.12 uploaded
[01:10] <dholbach> release beer in Berlin too! :-)
[01:10] <Kamion> debian-installer will need to follow once localechooser binaries are in
[01:10] <azeem> there's not even a release party in London yet it seems
[01:10] <holycow> hey guys ... are there any official ubuntu logotype documents available in the wiki?
[01:10] <sabdf1> night all, and thanks for chasing this one down kamion
[01:10] <Kamion> we can start livefs rebuilds once ubiquity binaries are in
[01:10] <mdke> holycow: what is a locotype document?
[01:11] <infinity> Keybuk: Manual queue processed?  I have a publisher session waiting.
[01:11] <Keybuk> ok, go for it ... was going to do the publisher run myself, but if you have one ready to go, PUSH THE BUTTON
[01:11] <holycow> logotype document would be say like an svg file containing the logo in the official colours with the offical font and offical lettering
[01:11] <infinity> Button pushed. :)
[01:11] <Kamion> (yes, the uploads I got mail for are the ones I wanted)
[01:12] <ogra> meh, i just started rsyncing the dvd ...
[01:12] <mdke> holycow: yes, the artwork pages have them
[01:12] <infinity> ogra: It's not going to change much.
[01:12] <holycow> mdke, oh! art work pages! of course
[01:12] <holycow> my thanks :)
[01:12] <Burgwork> holycow, http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy/
[01:13] <Burgwork> holycow, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
[01:13] <holycow> :)
[01:13] <holycow> Burgwork, sweet!
[01:13] <infinity> Keybuk / Kamion : I'll manually drive the buildds and the second publisher run.
[01:13] <mdke> holycow: greek?
[01:13] <ogra> infinity, i know but its horrible slow, so i suspect it to run still if the /current link changes
[01:13] <holycow> nope
[01:14] <Keybuk> infinity: a debian-installer is to follow once the localechooser binaries are in ... we'll leave that in incoming in case you get round tuit before we get back to the hotel
[01:14] <infinity> Kamion: d-i can upload anytime, right?  (As long as I don't let it in the buildqueue until the localechooser binaries are published)
[01:14] <Kamion> Keybuk just suggested that, yeah
[01:14] <holycow> man this is great
[01:14] <holycow> appreciate it
[01:14] <Kamion> preparing the upload
[01:14] <infinity> Kamion: yeah, let 'er rip.
[01:14] <holycow> <-- makin a nice looking manual for new home user
[01:14] <Keybuk> *parp*
[01:15] <Kamion> debian-installer uploaded
[01:15] <infinity> Spiff.
[01:15] <Riddell> mvo: hi
[01:15] <Keybuk> infinity: will leave that sat in u-q/incoming
[01:16] <Keybuk> you can push it around to the right place then
[01:16] <infinity> Keybuk: Yup, I'll mangle it when needed.  Thanks.
[01:17] <infinity> Keybuk / Kamion : Grab yourselves a beer when you get to the hotel.  This'll be a while anyway, and I can kick off the livefs builds while you're relaxing.
[01:21] <Keybuk> infinity: sadly bar will be closed by now
[01:22] <infinity> Go to a better hotel? :)
[01:23] <elmo> yeah, 'cos the K&K is so cheap and nasty
[01:23] <Keybuk> mmm... K&K Breakfast
[01:23] <Keybuk> this morning, the world was a HAPPY place
[01:24] <elmo> I should come get breakfast at the K&K
[01:24] <elmo> I could pretend to be fabbio and rob him of his breakfast
[01:24] <sivang> heh
[01:24] <ogra> lol
[01:24] <infinity> Can you do the accent?
[01:24] <ogra> thats hard 
[01:25] <Keybuk> infinity: you should probably plan to sleep this week too
[01:25] <infinity> Me eats a can of tuna, and dreams of better breakfasts.
[01:25] <holycow> *hmm* what file contains the default permisions for home directories when new users added? i'd like to restrict home dirs to only their users
[01:25] <infinity> Keybuk: This is all part of my master plan to be back on my own timezone by the time we release.
[01:25] <infinity> Keybuk: So the lack of sleep right now is somewhat positive, in that regard.
[01:26] <shawarma> holycow: I think it's in adduser somewhere.
[01:26] <infinity> holycow: /etc/adduser.conf
[01:26] <holycow> ah! damnation, nice thank you
[01:26] <infinity> holycow: Also, that's very much an #ubuntu question.
[01:26] <Keybuk> or #adduser
[01:27] <infinity> If adduser were sufficiently complex to require its own discussion channel, I'd be frightened.
[01:27] <infinity> (Well, under the hood, it is a bit complex, but the user interface certainly isn't)
[01:27] <Kamion> have you looked at its code lately?
[01:27] <Kamion> right ...
[01:28] <infinity> And here goes tuna can #2...
[01:29] <infinity> I wish I hadn't already eaten everything else in the house. :P
[01:29] <sivang> infinity: if you cut slices of onions into it it gets better
[01:29] <ogra> *shudder*
[01:29] <infinity> sivang: See above about "eating everything else in the house"... That includes great tuna fixings, such as mayonnaise, pickles, onions, olives....
[01:30] <infinity> All I have is.. 6 cans of tuna.  And a pack of smokes.
[01:30] <infinity> And tobbaco doesn't enhance tuna very well.
[01:30] <sivang> infinity: ah, speaking of olives, are you only interested in olive oil , or other olive stuff from here?
[01:30] <ogra> not really
[01:30] <sivang> I wouldn't think tobacco can fix tuna just make it worse :-)
[01:31] <infinity> sivang: I like pretty much anything that is -- or once was -- an olive.
[01:31] <holycow> oh okay ... the gnome admin utility doesn't use adduser ... it uses useradd >_<
[01:31] <holycow> at least the bug tracker shows added support for adduser so hopefully in next release
[01:31] <Kamion> so mouldy olive decomposed for about a month would be goodd?
[01:31] <Kamion> good
[01:31] <ogra> lol
[01:32] <infinity> Kamion: That level of "humour" really doesn't meat your ususal strict standards.  Clearly you need to sleep.  NOW.
[01:32] <infinity> meat?
[01:32] <infinity> Dear god.
[01:32] <infinity> MEET.
[01:32] <Kamion> oh, score, cron.germinate is running while apt-ftparchive is doing
[01:32] <Kamion> er, running. yeah.
[01:32] <Kamion> I wonder how well that'll work.
[01:32] <Keybuk> Kamion: I don't think we need to burden infinity with the requirement to running those
[01:33] <sivang> infinity: I'll see what I can drag with me without being asked funny questions at the airport :)
[01:33] <infinity> Germinate will settle again by the time we've done TWO MORE PUBLISHER RUNS anyway.
[01:33] <sivang> infinity: but a bottle of oil is the least
[01:33] <Kamion> yeah, it's not like germinate is terribly important atm
[01:33] <infinity> But I don't see why it should be upset in he least, since apt-ftparchive is operating on a copy of dists, not the real thing.
[01:33] <Kamion> just a curiosity
[01:34] <infinity> Unless germinate has suddenly started wandering around for random Packages files in dists.new, it shouldn't make a lick of difference. :)
[01:34] <infinity> (And boy, that would be odd)
[01:36] <infinity> I think I'm starting to develop a photographic memory of publisher logs to the point where I could type them verbatim if I had to.
[01:36] <infinity> This isn't right.
[01:38] <sivang> Kamion: actually, there is sort of what you described as a special olives make, and people like it. In free translation from hebrew that would read as "Screwed Olives" but they either come very ripe or the opposite
[01:39] <sivang> for some reason there are some people that like to consume their olives that way.
[01:39] <Kamion> just goes to show, people will eat anything if it's expensive enough
[01:40] <infinity> And off goes the queuebuilder.
[01:40] <sivang> heh, well, if you go to the street markets this is reatively cheap. but not when it comes canned.
[01:41] <infinity> Kamion: ubiquity includes private copies of d-i components for now, right?
[01:41] <infinity> Kamion: (ie: I can kick off livefs builds as soon as ubiquity 1.0.12 binaries are published?)
[01:41] <infinity> Err, wait, yes, that's obviously true.
[01:42] <infinity> Kamion: Ignore me.  Long day.  Reasoning out loud when I clearly shouldn't be.
[01:42] <Kamion> yeah, it does, and you can
[01:43] <Kamion> Scott and I are heading back to the hotel, hopefully there's at least a minibar
[01:43] <infinity> :)
[01:43] <infinity> Enjoy.
[01:43] <Kamion> will be online from there at some point
[01:47] <doko> heading to bed as well (no minibar)
[01:48] <sivang> are you like in until-release sprint in the K&K ?
[01:50] <azeem> infinity: thanks
[01:55] <holycow> thanks for the help gus
[02:28] <bgertzfield> infinity: still here?
[02:28] <infinity> bgertzfield: Yup.
[02:29] <bgertzfield> infinity: anything more you need for the vmware-player packages?
[02:29] <infinity> bgertzfield: Did you get my last messages to you?
[02:29] <bgertzfield> the last I saw, you asked me if I spoke Japanese
[02:30] <infinity> 16:56 < infinity> bgertzfield: The reason Mithrandir's hacking of debian/control worked, BTW, is
[02:30] <bgertzfield> ahh, I see it now
[02:30] <infinity>                   cause your KVERS/MAIN_PACKAGE_BUILD stuff doesn't work.
[02:30] <infinity> 16:57 < infinity> bgertzfield: KVERS isn't set at all, so ifeq ($(KVERS), unknown) doesn't trip.
[02:30] <bgertzfield> read it through lastlog
[02:30] <infinity> 16:58 < infinity> bgertzfield: I suspect you just want "ifeq ($(KVERS),)"
[02:30] <infinity> 17:01 < infinity> bgertzfield: If you can confirm that, the rest looks good, and I can just fix
[02:30] <infinity>                   that and upload.
[02:30] <bgertzfield> infinity: interesting. in my testing it was actually set to "unknown" due to the include of /usr/share/modass/include/generic.make
[02:31] <bgertzfield> and I believe that Mithrandir's hack worked because the build-deps were checked before debian/rules clean was called
[02:31] <bgertzfield> modass sets it to "unknown" if not building from m-a
[02:31] <Kamion> sivang: yes
[02:31] <bgertzfield> from generic.make:
[02:31] <bgertzfield> ifeq ($(KVERS),)
[02:31] <bgertzfield> KVERS = unknown
[02:31] <bgertzfield> endif
[02:31] <infinity> Ahh, see, we do source-only uploads in Ubuntu, so build-deps don't have to be there to do the initial clean.
[02:31] <Kamion> infinity: hello. how's it going?
[02:31] <bgertzfield> infinity: interesting. 
[02:31] <infinity> Which means that I don't have /usr/share/modass/include/generic.make installed when I'm doing it.
[02:31] <bgertzfield> infinity: !
[02:32] <infinity> Kamion: Publishing binaries, and the d-i source.
[02:32] <Kamion> ok
[02:32] <bgertzfield> infinity: we should handle it with an or then
[02:32] <bgertzfield> because it will either be 'unknown' or empty
[02:32] <infinity> bgertzfield: Yup.  ORify it.
[02:32] <bgertzfield> infinity: want me to do it? or do you want to fix it?
[02:32] <infinity> bgertzfield: Go ahead.  I'm too tired to wrangle sane make.
[02:32] <bgertzfield> OK.
[02:33] <bgertzfield> do I need to bump the version again?
[02:33] <infinity> Nah, just add to the changelog for the same version.  I'm smart enough to download it again.
[02:34] <infinity> Kamion: livefs builds should commence in about 10 mins, give or take.
[02:34] <infinity> Kamion: We can start on -alternate- rebuilds in about 40.
[02:34] <infinity> Kamion: I'm happy to drive the whole show if you'd rather sleep.
[02:34] <azeem> infinity: will dep-wait packages be retried automatically at this point? (mopac7 upload unblocked libghemical and then ghemical)
[02:34] <bgertzfield> infinity: ok. doing now. thanks for staying up. :)
[02:35] <infinity> azeem: They will be if I let the queue-builder run free again.
[02:35] <Kamion> infinity: don't feel you need to stay up just for this; I'm happy to drive stuff
[02:35] <azeem> ok
[02:35] <Kamion> infinity: if you tell me how to drive the buildd-sequencer
[02:36] <infinity> Kamion: Like I told Scott, my goal is to be back on Melbourne time by the time we release, so staying up now is helping me get off UTC and right my schedule. :)
[02:36] <azeem> infinity: last question, ghemical seems to be marked as failed rather than dep-wait is there a way to change this?
[02:36] <infinity> azeem: Yeah, I can smack it.
[02:36] <azeem> thanks a lot
[02:37] <Kamion> infinity: really? er, ok ...
[02:37] <infinity> Kamion: Seriously.  Don't worry about it.  I'll get a good rest (in my own timezone!) after this is all over and done with.
[02:37] <infinity> Kamion: Sleeping at 10:30am doesn't really appeal to me anyway.
[02:38] <infinity> Kamion: You, on the other hand, may find another showstopper in the installer tomorrow, so you should go rest your brain.
[02:38] <Kamion> I'd better freaking not
[02:38] <Kamion> or the London office will be finding out whether blood can be cleaned out of its carpet easily
[02:38] <infinity> Yours, or some random coworker's?
[02:39] <ajmitch> afternoon
[02:39] <Kamion> Yes.
[02:40] <Kamion> infinity: what are you on now - 26 hours?
[02:40] <Kamion> actually no, you had breakfast at the same time I did
[02:40] <Kamion> infinity: you'd better be asleep by the time I get up again, though. <threatening look>
[02:41] <infinity> Kamion: Yes, mom.
[02:41] <Kamion> :-)
[02:42] <bgertzfield> infinity: Testing a build with m-a not installed now.
[02:42] <Kamion> ok, -> bed; thanks again
[02:42] <bgertzfield> infinity: OK, it's working correctly now.
[02:42] <bgertzfield> infinity: thanks for noticing that!
[02:43] <infinity> bgertzfield: Don't forget to test with as well, to make sure your magic still works. :)_
[02:43] <bgertzfield> I couldn't figure out the $(or) syntax, so I just used an ifeq (...) else ifndef 
[02:43] <infinity> bgertzfield: I'm not uploading this twice. :P
[02:43] <bgertzfield> infinity: Yes, I tested with first. :)
[02:57] <bgertzfield> infinity: uploading fixed package to foxden.org apt repository now
[02:57] <infinity> \o/
[03:04] <bgertzfield> infinity: upload complete. grab away
[03:08] <bgertzfield> infinity: confirmed vmware-player-kernel-source still works great
[03:08] <bgertzfield> so I think we're set
[03:09] <infinity> We better be.  This is the last upload you get. :P
[03:09] <bgertzfield> *gasps*
[03:09] <bgertzfield> I think this'll meet the bar. :)  I appreciate all the constructive criticism and help
[03:09] <infinity> After this, I stop being able to think clearly, and I just drive the archive machinery like an ox on a cart.
[03:09] <bgertzfield> Aye.
[03:09] <infinity> And, hopefully, tomorrow we release. :)
[03:10] <bgertzfield> Oyes.
[03:10] <infinity> (An event I may, ironically, sleep through)
[03:10] <infinity> If I end up being up for the next 5 or 6 hours fixing new CD/DVD builds for everyone.
[03:14] <bgertzfield> infinity: I'm going to stick around and see if you give these the ghumbs-up
[03:14] <bgertzfield> err. thumbs-up. what the heck is a ghumb?
[03:14] <bgertzfield> infinity: but I have to go after that, will be back in a few hours
[03:14] <infinity> It's what you've been typing with? :)
[03:15] <infinity> bgertzfield: I'll have them downloaded and checked out in ~10 mins.  After that, you should be free to go. :)
[03:15] <bgertzfield> infinity: fantastic. you are incredible. :)
[03:15] <infinity> (Also, you should get more bandwidth)
[03:15] <bgertzfield> ubuntu is getting hugely popular at VMware, by the way
[03:15] <bgertzfield> especially with the browser appliance
[03:15] <bgertzfield> infinity: I'm trying to get 'official' VMware space for us to interact with the opensource crowd
[03:16] <infinity> Oh, question for you...
[03:16] <infinity> The kernel modules for vmnet and friends.  Are those identical between vmware-{player,workstation,server}?
[03:16] <bgertzfield> sure
[03:17] <infinity> Cause if they are, the "vmware-player-kernel..." package name seems a bit shortsighted. :)
[03:17] <bgertzfield> No, they are not.  We will be changing the package name and adding Conflicts: for the other products.
[03:17] <infinity> (Seeing as how you may later distribute the other products as debs as well)
[03:17] <infinity> Ahh, these are stripped down in some way, then?
[03:17] <bgertzfield> They're unfortunately both not compatible, and named the same. *grumble*
[03:17] <infinity> Shame.
[03:17] <bgertzfield> They're not stripped down, but the internal APIs change; the various products come from different source control branches
[03:18] <infinity> Would be nice to get that unified at some point, but I guess I don't need to tell you your job. :)
[03:18] <bgertzfield> It's a 'nice to have'. :)
[03:18] <infinity> Well, it becomes more useful when you look at the packaging angle.
[03:19] <bgertzfield> Which, you can probably guess, I've spent more time on the past week than anyone has in years. ;)
[03:20] <infinity> bgertzfield: I'm not going to bother changing your changelog, but the problem isn't the buildds.  debian/control needs to be correct on UPLOAD, not on BUILD (well, parts of it, anyway, the parts that the .dsc are made from)
[03:21] <bgertzfield> ahh, I see
[03:21] <infinity> bgertzfield: So, it's on my machine when I do a source-only build for upload that debian/control doesn't get properly generated.
[03:21] <bgertzfield> Got it.
[03:21] <bgertzfield> so when you do a source-only build on any machine that doesn't have m-a installed, it was broken.
[03:21] <infinity> bgertzfield: You'll also note that modules-assistant isn't a build-dep ANYWAY, completely invalidating the argument. :)
[03:22] <bgertzfield> ...
[03:22] <bgertzfield> That's me with a big anime-style sweat drop on the side of my face. :)
[03:22] <infinity> (No need for it to be a build-dep obviously, since it's only needed to do the custom compile stuff, not the archive package build)
[03:23] <bgertzfield> right. the debian/rules crap for m-a really ought to be in a completely separate file.
[03:23] <infinity> Probably, but I can see the appeal of trying to unify it.
[03:23] <bgertzfield> Yeah.  But it's just so kludgey.
[03:24] <infinity> Anyhow.  This all looks good to me.  I'll upload this stuff for you and shove it through the queues with a pitchfork.
[03:24] <bgertzfield> Rock on.
[03:24] <infinity> Thanks for putting up with my pedantry. :)
[03:24] <bgertzfield> Thanks so much.
[03:24] <bgertzfield> Never a problem, I'm always glad to do things right.
[03:24] <bgertzfield> OK, then, I'm out of here.
[03:24] <bgertzfield> Get some rest. :)
[03:24] <infinity> Ciao.
[03:24] <infinity> In the words of Weird Al, "I'll be mellow when I'm dead."
[03:25] <bddebian> heh
[03:25] <bddebian> Hey folks
[03:31] <infinity> bgertzfield: Ergh.  Come back.
[03:33] <infinity> bgertzfield: Nevermind.  Don't come back. :)
[03:34] <infinity> bgertzfield: naughty you for sending me a different orig for the kernel modules than the one we'd previous used, though.
[04:38] <infinity> azeem: https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/179738
[04:42] <LaserJock> infinity: awesome
[04:44] <bddebian> Heh
[05:04] <robertj> does anyone know why sabdafl is interested in TeamSpeex ;)
[05:06] <Burgundavia> robertj, no idea, but it does use the free speex protocol
[05:07] <robertj> The protocol is fairly standard too
[05:09] <robertj> But more curiously why would he be interested in a closed source client when there is an opensource gaim plugin (albeit probably out of date already...)
[05:10] <Burgundavia> robertj, where did you hear/read/come upon this?
[05:11] <robertj> he posted in the TeamSpeex forums
[05:12] <Burgundavia> got a linky?
[05:12] <robertj> http://www.savvy.nl/blog/forum/viewforum.php?id=5
[05:14] <Burgundavia> robertj, oh very odd. Maybe the funding has strings attached?
[05:14] <robertj> maybe this gaim plugin doesn't actually do voice, onl ytext
[05:14] <Burgundavia> maybe
[05:15] <robertj> TeamBlibbityBlabbity on sf
[05:16] <Burgundavia> nothing in sf cvs for 3 months
[05:19] <Burgundavia> robertj, that is truly odd, but then, meh. It is his money
[05:20] <robertj> Burgundavia: nothing wrong with hiring a skillset
[05:20] <Burgundavia> nope
[05:20] <Burgundavia> hiring somebody who knows how to do voip is a good thing
[05:22] <robertj> maybe he has a hankering for tetrinat + voip :)
[05:22] <robertj> err tetrinet :)
[05:23] <bddebian> "I hanker for a hunka, a slap or slice or chunka.."
[05:23] <Burgundavia> bddebian, uh?
[05:29] <bddebian> Burgundavia: Sorry, old "School of Rock" reference :-)
[05:29] <bddebian> I hadn't seen/heard the word hanker for a long time :-)
[05:43] <bgertzfield> zaszzsdskjdfhlkads
[05:43] <bgertzfield> oops.
[05:44] <bgertzfield> infinity: argh. sorry about that; I had messed up the apt archive and had to regenerate it from scratch; I don't know reprepro half as well as I should, so I wiped it clean and started over
[05:45] <infinity> bgertzfield: Oh well.  I grabbed the old orig and sorted it.  No big deal.
[05:45] <bgertzfield> infinity: Thanks. *sheepish grin*
[05:45] <infinity> (Which is what you should have done...)
[05:45] <bgertzfield> Sorry, I didn't know that would cause an issue.  Live and learn
[05:45] <infinity> :)
[05:46] <bgertzfield> Yeah, I didn't know how to import an old orig using reprepro
[05:46] <bgertzfield> can you even do that?
[05:46] <infinity> You used to upload to Debian, no?  Surely you know that an orig can't change. :)
[05:46] <bgertzfield> Sure, I know it can't, but I thought it would be ignored. :)
[05:46] <infinity> The md5sum of the orig is in the .dsc
[05:46] <infinity> And since I assumed you'd given me the same one, I built against that one, hence got a reject. :)
[05:46] <infinity> No big deal.
[05:46] <bgertzfield> got it. sorry.
[05:47] <infinity> S'alright.  Not like anyone was watching except me. :P
[05:47] <bgertzfield> well, can you tell me how to properly use reprepro so old packages don't linger around?
[05:47] <infinity> I've never used it, tbh.
[05:47] <bgertzfield> the problem I was having was importing new revisions of packages would keep old revisions in the archive
[05:47] <bgertzfield> and so uploading to my slow slow foxden.org was taking exponentially longer
[05:47] <bgertzfield> well, linearly longer. :)
[05:48] <infinity> My archive management suites of choice are dak (AKA "katie", the software run on Dbeian's ftpmaster) for complex sites, and mini-dinstall for simple sites.
[05:48] <bgertzfield> mini-dinstall. will look into it
[05:48] <bgertzfield> neat, that's exactly what I want
[05:49] <bgertzfield> infinity++
[05:50] <infinity> If someone wants to send go-faster vibes to lithium (the CD build host), that would be grand.
[05:51] <bgertzfield> *sends vibes*
[05:54] <LaserJock> I'm afraid I'd mistakenly send "eat the iso" vibes, I better not try it :/
[05:55] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[06:05] <bddebian> Night folks
[06:19] <ogra> infinity, are 20060531 the finals ? 
[06:27] <infinity> ogra: Yes.  I'll be sending a mail out in ~20 mins announcing that it's all ready to go.  Not quite there yet.  (almost)
[06:28] <infinity> ogra: Also, aren't you up rather early? :)
[06:28] <bgertzfield> infinity: Fan fricking tastic.
[06:28] <ogra> my live isos are there, thats all i care about 
[06:28] <ogra> nope, i'm still up
[06:28] <ogra> ;)
[06:28] <ogra> as you are
[06:28] <infinity> Ahh.
[06:28] <bgertzfield> omg! http://packages.vmware.com/vmware-player works!
[06:28] <ogra> its not your privilege to be masochistic ;)
[06:28] <bgertzfield> I'm so tickled.
[06:28] <bgertzfield> ooh, but it doesn't go anywhere yet.
[06:29] <infinity> Baby steps. :)
[06:29] <bgertzfield> Hehe.
[06:29] <bgertzfield> Is that all automated? (I assume so..)
[06:30] <infinity> Last time I checked, I never automated anything at vmware.com. :)
[06:31] <infinity> If you meant packages.ubuntu.com, yeah, it's all automated, but it's run by a 3rd party (djpig, a DD who wanted to make it go)
[06:31] <bgertzfield> err.
[06:31] <bgertzfield> yeah
[06:31] <bgertzfield> of course, I meant packages.ubuntu.com. :)
[06:31] <bgertzfield> got it, thanks.
[06:31] <bgertzfield> it looks quite nice!
[06:31] <infinity> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player is the canonical (and Canonical) location.
[06:32] <bgertzfield> I really want the IT/Ops folks at vmware to agree to let me make an APT repository
[06:32] <bgertzfield> infinity: got it.
[06:32] <bgertzfield> where did launchpad.net come from? it looks quite nice
[06:32] <infinity> It's Canonical's NIH re-implementation of all things relating to free software infrastructure. :)
[06:33] <bgertzfield> yay. :)
[06:33] <infinity> So far, a bug tracking system, a translation tracking system, and an archive management suite.
[06:33] <bgertzfield> it's got to be better than debbugs..
[06:33] <infinity> You may find some disagreement on that point. :)
[06:33] <bgertzfield> Wow. :)
[06:34] <bgertzfield> I remember where you couldn't actually make a debian package of debbugs
[06:34] <infinity> Some of the more oldskool DDs in Canonical (me included) REALLY like debbugs.
[06:34] <bgertzfield> they depended on some ancient version of qmail
[06:34] <infinity> debbugs has improved a lot since those days.
[06:34] <bgertzfield> I'm sure
[06:34] <infinity> And qmail is long gone from Debian's infrastructure (thank god)
[06:34] <bgertzfield> of course. :)
[06:34] <bgertzfield> I'm just cranky and old
[06:34] <infinity> I'm crankier and older. :P
[06:35] <bgertzfield> Probably. :)
[06:36] <bgertzfield> I was very happy how far all the debhelper tools have progressed.
[06:36] <bgertzfield> I only ran into a few problems with all my MIME type registering, GTK+ icon theme updating, and module loading
[06:36] <infinity> Yeah, if you have a bit of clue (and you seem to), Debian packaging is really quite a joy to do these days.
[06:37] <bgertzfield> Well, I'm pretty rusty.  But it's coming back to me. :)  Thanks for the compliment, it's appreciated.
[06:37] <bgertzfield> I noticed dapper actually has a GTK+ icon theme dh_ tool.  I didn't use it; I wanted my packages to have a chance of building on hoary and debian
[06:37] <infinity> Trust me, for a "rusty" DD, you did much better than some currently active DDs and UDs.
[06:38] <bgertzfield> thanks. :)
[06:38] <bgertzfield> yeah, I'll have to see if I can make etch packages
[06:38] <bgertzfield> shouldn't have to do much
[06:39] <infinity> Do you do RPM packaging as well?
[06:39] <infinity> If so, you should look at the truely perverse "run debian/rule from the spec file" hack to just re-use your debian packaging to make RPMs.. :)
[06:40] <bgertzfield> We have ancient RPM packages that aren't much more than tarballs.
[06:40] <bgertzfield> (no dependencies, no kernel integration)
[06:41] <infinity> So, is it normal for vmware to just occasionally decice it's not been configured and require you to re-run vmware-config.pl?
[06:41] <infinity> (Just happened to me 20 mins ago..)
[06:41] <bgertzfield> You mean with the new package?
[06:41] <infinity> Not like I'd changed anything on the system since I ran it last night, mind you.
[06:41] <infinity> Silly thing. :)
[06:41] <infinity> bgertzfield: No, vmware workstation.
[06:42] <bgertzfield> ah, workstation
[06:43] <bgertzfield> If /etc/init.d/vmware start fails, I think it decides that something is broken, and forces you to re-run the whole config.
[06:43] <bgertzfield> and many things in there can fail.
[06:43] <bgertzfield> that's likely what you ran into
[06:43] <infinity> Oh, does it write a stamp file if it fails, or something equally silly?
[06:43] <bgertzfield> It modifies /etc/vmware/locations IIRC.
[06:43] <infinity> Cause I tihnk I re-ran the start target a while ago when fiddling with the bridge.  Start twice in a row apparently fails on the second go. :)
[06:43] <bgertzfield> setting something like "set configured = FALSE"
[06:43] <bgertzfield> infinity: I would not doubt that.
[06:43] <infinity> Fragile...
[06:44] <bgertzfield> Yeeeah.
[06:44] <bgertzfield> well, I can go moan at the tools team about that.
[06:44] <infinity> Oh well, now I know.
[06:44] <bgertzfield> they technically will be owning the .deb packages too
[06:44] <infinity> (And knowing is half the battle)
[06:44] <bgertzfield> Remember that vmware-config.pl is meant to run on every single Linux distribution since Slackware 0.97 or some such hooey
[06:45] <bgertzfield> or maybe even Yggdrasil
[06:45] <infinity> Heh.
[06:45] <bgertzfield> so they made that a priority, not nice package integration or actually having /etc/init.d scripts that survive being called twice. :)
[06:50] <infinity> desrt: Is that any way to treat your oldest and dearest friend who fixed madwifi for you?
[06:50] <desrt> infinity; what else did you change in madwifi-ng?
[06:50] <desrt> my macbook locks on bootup now
[06:50] <desrt> unless i erase the module files and load them later myself
[06:50] <infinity> desrt: Err, what?  I uploaded the same code I gave you for testing.  Honest.
[06:51] <desrt> ya.  i'm just kidding.
[06:51] <desrt> no glare for you.  it's working great :)
[06:51] <infinity> Oh, phew.
[06:51] <infinity> Jerk.
[06:51] <desrt> true story
[06:51] <desrt> i think the wifi actually works better than the wired
[06:51] <coz_> I realize this is a visiual thing however, out of curoisity , is there a way to change the location of the logout splash , it seems to be to the left and down from center
[06:52] <coz_> sorry to the right and down
[06:52] <desrt> coz; no, no and no
[06:52] <infinity> coz_: Err, the usplash shutdown thing, or the logout box with all the option buttons?
[06:53] <coz_> infinity, the logout box
[06:53] <infinity> coz_: Either way, totally irrelevant to #ubuntu-devel, mind you. :)
[06:53] <coz_> infinity, irealize that thought you guys could direct me to where I could find out
[06:53] <desrt> (one 'no' for no easy way for you to change it, one 'no' for it won't be fixed in dapper and one 'no' for the "is this the right place to ask?" question)
[06:53] <desrt> :)
[06:54] <infinity> Okay, I just measured.  The left/right thing is an optical illusion.  You're right about it being way down from the center line, though.
[06:54] <coz_> desrt, wel thanks for options and thanks for telling me and thank for being very verbose about it :)
[06:54] <infinity> And, also.. "so what"? :)
[06:54] <infinity> coz_: File a wishlist bug in Malone for it to move up in Edgy. :)
[06:54] <coz_> infinity, wel l for th so what, it si inappropriate for the a final release
[06:54] <desrt> infinity; can you rephrase that as a phrase starting with 'no'? :)
[06:55] <coz_> and two there has to be a way to move it I will find out and let you guys know thanks and thanks again
[06:55] <infinity> coz_: No such thing as "inappropriate", unless you find copyrighted imaged of german cam girls on your fresh dapper system.
[06:55] <infinity> coz_: We're testing final release CDs right now.  Cosmetic changes aren't being considered. :)
[06:55] <coz_> thanks :)
[06:56] <desrt> think he was upset?
[06:56] <infinity> s/upset/irritating/
[06:56] <infinity> You bet!
[06:56] <infinity> Glad you asked.
[06:56] <desrt> heh
[06:56] <crimsun> heh, don't worry, he has been pestering me for alsa assistance for three months.
[06:56] <desrt> ah
[06:57] <infinity> Well, sheesh.  No wonder he's bitter.  Fix the poor man's sound card already.
[06:57] <infinity> How will he listen to wumpscut and cut himself?
[06:58] <crimsun> eh, I fixed his sound, but he wants me to do more :/
[06:58] <infinity> You know it's late when it takes you 2 minutes to remember the username of the test user you just created 5 minutes ago.
[06:59] <bgertzfield> It's past late. :)
[06:59] <desrt> oh right
[06:59] <desrt> anyone know how to extract .msi files?
[07:00] <infinity> cabextract?
[07:00] <infinity> (you can hope it's a cab anyway... I have no idea what they are)
[07:00] <desrt> interesting idea
[07:00] <bgertzfield> I don't think they're actually cabs; they contain cabs
[07:00] <infinity> They reinvent that wheel every 6 months in the windows world, so who knows..
[07:04] <infinity> Man, DVD builds take a long time...
[07:04] <infinity> ogra: Your DVDs will be ready "eventually".... But the rest is all fine...
[07:05] <desrt> so get this
[07:05] <desrt> i was talking to the sysadmin at school today
[07:05] <desrt> and he's buying some new opteron servers to replace our sun boxes
[07:06] <desrt> and he says to me "only problem is i'm gonna have to install your ubuntu on it" as a tease
[07:06] <desrt> (he's a solaris type)
[07:06] <desrt> point being, he's putting ubuntu on it -- and know why?
[07:06] <desrt> the 5 year support commitment
[07:07] <desrt> he's like "i can't just go reinstalling the entire server every couple of years..."
[07:07] <infinity> Agreed.  That's why I love Debian stable releases.
[07:07] <infinity> Dapper's going to be great for people like that (and me)
[07:07] <wasabi_> Yeah. Having the OPTION to upgrade to another stable release is awesome.
[07:08] <wasabi_> But having the freedom to not do so is just as good.
[07:08] <desrt> i didn't realise how much the LTS thing meant to real people
[07:08] <desrt> it's a big deal
[07:08] <wasabi_> I ran my servers with Woody for the longest time... with backported Samba, NFS, OpenLDAP, Apache, and 40 other things.
[07:08] <wasabi_> That sucked.
[07:08] <wasabi_> LTS = ?
[07:09] <infinity> Long Term Support.
[07:09] <wasabi_> k
[07:09] <infinity> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS is the official product name.
[07:09] <desrt> 'dapper'
[07:09] <wasabi_> Yeah. Just having something you can install, with a clear path of security updates, is awesome.
[07:09] <HrdwrBoB> desrt: yes, all of my linux servers will bt 6.06 LTS
[07:09] <infinity> wasabi_: I still have a woody server.  Don't tell anyone.
[07:09] <desrt> Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has the version 1.0-8756, but
[07:09] <desrt> this client has the version 1.0-8762.  Please make sure that the kernel
[07:10] <wasabi_> Ubuntu still doesn't have much chance of winning at my company.
[07:10] <desrt> module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version.
[07:10] <wasabi_> Over Windows. ;)
[07:10] <wasabi_> But I've got it "in places."
[07:10] <desrt> infinity; i didn't get a 'you need to reboot' bubble from upgrading l-r-m
[07:10] <desrt> infinity; but clearly this is a problem
[07:10] <infinity> desrt: Yes, I didn't add the reboot notification hook, cause I'm a bad man.
[07:11] <desrt> anyway.  brb :)
[07:11] <infinity> desrt: I'll sneak it in on the first security update (which, conveniently, will be the first time you need to reboot as a result of installing LRM)
[07:12] <wasabi_> I desperatly need local LInux support companies.
[07:12] <wasabi_> Consultants, etc.
[07:13] <infinity> Where is "local"?
[07:13] <wasabi_> dallas tx
[07:13] <infinity> Oh, there should be a whack of decent firms there...
[07:14] <desrt> hm
[07:14] <wasabi_> See, the problem is the ones that are advertised have no accountability.
[07:14] <desrt> wine has an new look
[07:14] <wasabi_> For instance, my last boss, which I left with a bunch of Linux servers (Ubuntu), after I left, went looking for one.
[07:14] <wasabi_> He found one which claimed they had linux knowledge, but they failed pretty miserably, and recommended he change the entire network back to windows.
[07:15] <infinity> Ouch.
[07:15] <infinity> Eek, I can't believe kbd-chooser is missing a string in French.
[07:16] <infinity> I would have assumed french would have full coverage in most of the more visible d-i components.
[07:16] <infinity> Oh well.
[07:16] <wasabi_> That stuff doesn't happen much with MS.
[07:16] <wasabi_> Because they have Certified Partners. ;)
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi_: dang
[07:17] <HrdwrBoB> wasabi_: we have a similar problem here, there is one linux support company that I know of, and they are oldschool unix type people
[07:17] <infinity> To be fair, it's a string people will only see when doing the sketchy "type some keys to guess your keyboard layout" thing.
[07:18] <infinity> In a full-auto install, everything I've seen has been in French, so far.
[07:19] <infinity> I should compute in French more often.
[07:19] <infinity> Technical terms in other language are so.. Bizarre..
[07:21] <ogra> infinity, are you editing the wiki currently ?
[07:22] <infinity> ogra: Yes.  Hold on. :)
[07:22] <ogra> oki
[07:25] <desrt> bah
[07:25] <infinity> ogra: I recommend keeping your results from yesterday, but tagging them, and then adding the new ones.  (like I've done with ubuntu-server), since the images were nearly idential.
[07:25] <infinity> identical, too.
[07:25] <desrt> i cabextract this file and all of the stuff inside it comes out as 0-byte files
[07:25] <ogra> yup i planned to do that
[07:25] <infinity> desrt: Then I guess it wasn't a cab?
[07:25] <desrt> it was, i think
[07:26] <ajmitch> desrt: how disappointing
[07:27] <desrt> i say.
[07:27] <desrt> windows does a lot to piss me off
[07:28] <infinity> Oh, for the love of.
[07:29] <infinity> STOP RUNNING UPDATEDB IN THE MIDDLE OF MY DVD BUILD
[07:30] <infinity> ogra: If I ever get any disk I/O back, I swear your DVD will finish.  It's the last build in the queue.
[07:32] <ogra> infinity, no hurry, i have enough to test here :)
[07:33] <infinity> 30513 pts/3    R+     0:00 /usr/bin/mkisofs -r -V Edubuntu 6.06 i386 ....
[07:33] <infinity> \o/
[07:33] <ogra> yay
[07:33] <infinity> Of course, i386 is probably the first one...
[07:34] <infinity> Oh, no, it's the second.
[07:34] <infinity> So just powerpc to go.
[07:35] <ogra> :)
[07:35] <infinity> janimo: Feel like testing your latest (and hopefully final) Xubuntu CDs?
[07:35] <janimo> infinity: just tested yesterdays :(
[07:35] <janimo> ubiquity changed?
[07:36] <ogra> yes
[07:36] <infinity> janimo: ubiquity and d-i changed for a critical localechooser bug.  Everything else SHOULD be the same.
[07:36] <desrt> http://times.usefulinc.com/2006/03/09-macbook
[07:36] <desrt> heh.
[07:36] <infinity> janimo: That said, testing that the new CDs boot and at least appear to function before we publish them would be a Good Thing.
[07:37] <janimo> infinity: right
[07:37] <desrt> i guess i should visit shipit
[07:37] <infinity> Yeah, I need to put in my order too.
[07:37] <desrt> do you guys plan on having a whack of CDs at GUADEC?
[07:37] <desrt> like... enough that i could take a few dozen home with me?
[07:37] <infinity> My girlfriend's decided she wants to hand out CDs at her university.
[07:38] <infinity> I have no idea what will or won't be happening for GUADEC.
[07:38] <infinity> I know *I* won't be there, which is about all I need to know. :)
[07:38] <desrt> wtf.
[07:39] <desrt> i can only request 10 cds through this shipit
[07:39] <infinity> Oh, did we take out the custom order/comment box?
[07:39] <desrt> indeed
[07:39] <desrt> they 'tweaked' my order last time and i ran out of PPC cds :(
[07:39] <desrt> this time the tweaking occurs preemptively
[07:40] <infinity> We have not yet opened the custom request section of ShipIt for version 6.06 LTS, but will do so shortly. If you'd like to order larger quantities of CDs than what is listed in the standard options, please supply a clear reason for ordering. We will consider special requests for larger quantities under special circumstances. If you experience any problems with ShipIt, please:
[07:40] <infinity>     *
[07:40] <infinity>       Email [MAILTO]  info@shipit.ubuntu.com
[07:40] <infinity> (Fronthe FAQ linked at the bottom of the page)
[07:41] <desrt> i wonder if using your @ubuntu.com address to order improves your chances of pushing through a custom request
[07:41] <infinity> So, either "wait for the custom ordering to open up", or email now and beg to do one.
[07:41] <desrt> i can wait
[07:41] <desrt> i don't need them until september
[07:41] <infinity> I'm guessing we're doing pre-packaged bundles only for now to get the CDs flowing as quickly as possible from the distributor.
[07:41] <desrt> probably.
[07:41] <infinity> Custom orders require manpower and thought, so slow down the whole process.
[07:41] <desrt> for the time being, i'm going to bed
[07:42] <desrt> goodnight, good fellow
[07:43] <infinity> 'Night.
[07:48] <infinity> ogra: Okay, your DVDs are done.  And so am I.  I'm going to go pass out.
[07:50] <infinity> ogra: (The mirrors will be rsyncing for a while, though, so feel free to hold off for a bit before you refresh your local copies..)
[07:52] <bgertzfield> infinity: Congrats again.  Go sleep.
[07:55] <ogra> infinity, will do, sleep tight :)
[08:06] <sfllaw> infinity: You rock.
[08:28] <kagou> hi
[08:40] <pitti> Good morning
[08:41] <Burgundavia> morning pitti
[08:44] <pitti> Hi Burgundavia 
[08:48] <kagou> hey pitti 
[08:48] <pitti> sfllaw: do you want to update the testing matrix? shall we dump old results?
[08:48] <pitti> hi kagou 
[08:51] <sfllaw> pitti: Yeah.  We probably should.  Except for old failures and passes with flaws.
[08:51] <sfllaw> I'll do that before going off to bed.
[08:52] <sfllaw> Which is soon.
[08:55] <pitti> hi fabbione 
[08:55] <fabbione> hi pitti
[08:59] <ogra> sfllaw, are you still editing ? 
[08:59] <pitti> hey ogra
[08:59] <ogra> hi pitti
[09:00] <sfllaw> ogra: Yes.
[09:05] <G0SUB> pitti: hello!
[09:05] <pitti> G0SUB: hey
[09:05] <G0SUB> pitti: got my reply?
[09:09] <pitti> G0SUB: hm, no
[09:09] <G0SUB> pitti: what?
[09:09] <sfllaw> ogra: Done.
[09:10] <G0SUB> pitti: I replied to your mail almost imeediately
[09:10] <G0SUB> immediately
[09:10] <sfllaw> ogra: Argh.   Conflicts.
[09:10] <ogra> sorry, the lock was gone save your stuff
[09:10] <ogra> (i have mine here to add)
[09:10] <pitti> G0SUB: oops, SA sorted it into the spam folder, sorry
[09:11] <G0SUB> pitti: damn! but which test did the mail fail?
[09:12] <pitti> G0SUB: I'll teach it not to, sorry
[09:12] <sfllaw> ogra: Done.
[09:13] <sfllaw> MoinMoin needs better conflict resolution.
[09:13] <ogra> sfllaw, sorry for the fuss
[09:13] <G0SUB> pitti: heh, okay :)
[09:13] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: it is minorly better than mediawikis, but yes, they both suck
[09:13] <ogra> sfllaw, argh, how old was the copy you were working of ? the edubuntu table is compeltely empty
[09:14] <sfllaw> ogra: I cleared out all the PASSes.
[09:14] <ogra> ARGH
[09:14] <sfllaw> Ah.  I see what's happened.
[09:14] <sfllaw> I'll reconstruct.
[09:14] <ogra> thanks
[09:15] <ogra> 20060530.2 is only different from 20060531 in some lines of code for chinese language in d-i and ubiquity 
[09:16] <sfllaw> ogra: Aren't we testing 20060531 now?
[09:16] <pitti> G0SUB: ah, thanks!
[09:16] <ogra> sfllaw, they are neary identical, so i woould like to keep the 20060530.2 results
[09:17] <sfllaw> If you promise to go replace them with 20060531 results afterwards, then OK.
[09:17] <sfllaw> I'll restore those.
[09:18] <ogra> thanks, i dont think you will need extra testing for 20060531 except for chinese installs, but well
[09:19] <sfllaw> ogra: Famous last words.
[09:31] <ogra> oh, lucky me, i totally forgot we had no edubuntu powerpc in breezy, saves one upgrade test :)
[09:33] <ogra> dapper-dvd-i386.iso
[09:33] <ogra>   3452166144 100%    4.80MB/s    0:11:26  (1, 100.0% of 1)
[09:33] <ogra> :D
[09:58] <\sh> guys, who can I kick to have a look into hibernating on toshiba r200, since -23 it doesn't work anymore....I tested kubuntu RC yesterday and executed /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh and on toshiba r200, when it comes up again, it switches into graphics mode, and then nothing works anymore.
[09:58] <\sh> same on some sony laptops
[09:59] <\sh> brb
[09:59] <Burgundavia> \sh: there have been intermittent reports of suspend breaking recently
[10:10] <dholbach> good morning
[10:12] <ajmitch> morning dholbach, seb128, mvo :)
[10:12] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[10:12] <seb128> hi
[10:13] <mvo> hello ajmitch
[10:14] <\sh> Burgundavia: ah...I was surprised, because with -22 it was still working 
[10:16] <carlos> Riddell_: hi
[10:16] <carlos> around?
[10:16] <Mithrandir> dholbach: we might want to look at getting ddccontrol in eft.  Useful for setting monitors that doesn't have controls on them
[10:16] <Mithrandir> http://ddccontrol.sourceforge.net/
[10:17] <dholbach> Mithrandir: that sounds cool
[10:17] <Mithrandir> should be a system->settings thingy, I'd imagine
[10:17] <dholbach> Mithrandir: daniel elstner will be delighted (a friend of mine)
[10:18] <Mithrandir> :-)
[10:18] <ajmitch> a good project for a potential MOTU to package up for edgy, perhaps :)
[10:19] <dholbach> I think he even wanted to package it himself
[10:19] <dholbach> or even has it already
[10:19] <dholbach> I didn't have the time to look closer, I'm afraid
[10:19] <seb128> bah, no screenshot
[10:19] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: it's ITP-ed in Debian.
[10:19] <ajmitch> ah right
[10:20] <ajmitch> doesn't surprise me
[10:20] <ajmitch> yay, 3K/sec rsync
[10:23] <TheMuso> c
[10:32] <fabbione> ok guys
[10:32] <fabbione> are you all testing?
[10:32] <ajmitch> still rsyncing
[10:45] <janimo> JaneW: hi
[10:47] <sivang> morning all
[10:47] <azeem> infinity: great, cheers
[10:50] <JaneW> janimo: hi - are you xubuntu jani?
[10:50] <janimo> JaneW: yes
[10:50] <JaneW> janimo: ah :)
[10:50] <janimo> JaneW: I was going to ask about the newsletter :)
[10:50] <janimo> should I just write one ASAP and send it to news?
[10:51] <janimo> it is not clear to me weather I should just pass some data to the doc guys who can write a more coherent mail
[10:51] <Burgundavia> janimo: you might want to ping mgalvin, he might be able to help you
[10:51] <JaneW> janimo: I mailed you...
[10:52] <JaneW> janimo: no it's each team to themselves for now, the doc team will probably take it on soon to start the consolidated letter, once the separate feeds are established
[10:52] <janimo> JaneW: yes just read the mail, but was not clear if I should just go ahead chosing any day of the week or sync with the other teams
[10:53] <JaneW> janimo: so far it's Riddell-kubuntu, jsgotangco et al - Edubuntu, mgalvin-ubuntu, janimo-Xubuntu
[10:53] <JaneW> janimo: I think synching is the next step, so go ahead independently for now
[10:53] <janimo> ok I think I'll write one right after the release
[10:54] <Burgundavia> janimo: if not, I might be able to help you. Can you email the -doc list some ideas/stuff?
[10:54] <janimo> Burgundavia: thanks, I'll try to
[10:54] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep
[10:57] <Kamion> morning all
[10:57] <Kamion> DVD images need to be rebuilt - uninstallables due to a cdimage vs. seeds issue that's been there for a while but I only just noticed
[10:59] <carlos> Riddell: hi, are you around?
[10:59] <carlos> Kamion: morning
[11:04] <Mirv> huge thanks for getting more language packs in, even though it means I have to retake my Finnish install guide screenshots :)
[11:04] <Kamion> (the DVD issue is that packages in the live and ship-live seeds weren't appearing on the images - we had up to desktop and then a sort of "hole" between that and supported)
[11:11] <Kamion> right, fix pushed I believe, DVDs rebuilding
[11:13] <carlos> seb128: btw, the new evolution template is already imported
[11:14] <seb128> carlos: cool, thank you
[11:24] <dholbach> Mithrandir, fabbione: can we get something so that the X configuration gets the right resolution without a monitor plugged on? I have a bad resolution everytime, I have the KVM switch turned to the other screen :)
[11:25] <fabbione> dholbach: hmmm let me think a second about it....  no
[11:25] <fabbione> dholbach: or you can force the monitor frequencies in the config
[11:26] <dholbach> Ok
[11:31] <Kinnison> Kamion: do we have images of DVDs?
[11:34] <pitti> Mithrandir: which package should I file a bug in OEM mode on?
[11:34] <fabbione> oem-installer ?
[11:35] <pitti> fabbione: ah, ok :)
[11:35] <Kamion> pitti: that's oem-config
[11:35] <pitti> no such package
[11:35] <pitti> thanks
[11:35] <Kamion> Kinnison: the DVD rebuilds are on their way
[11:37] <Kinnison> Kamion: Do we make images, or just torrents/jigdos?
[11:37] <fabbione> Kinnison: images too
[11:37] <Mithrandir> pitti: oem-config
[11:37] <Kinnison> fabbione: right
[11:37] <Kamion> Kinnison: images
[11:37] <Kamion> hmm, something's still wrong with the DVD builds
[11:38] <fabbione> Kinnison: current as when?
[11:38] <Kinnison> fabbione: images downloaded an hour or so ago
[11:38] <Kamion> I've improved the situation, but ...
[11:38] <fabbione> Kinnison: new images have been rolled this morning around 6am
[11:38] <fabbione> Kinnison: ok
[11:38] <Kinnison> :-)
[11:38] <Keybuk> Kinnison: come up with new tests ... try installing in a different language, try partitioning differently ... try doing something new on the live, etc.
[11:38] <Kinnison> Keybuk: I've been running all the apps on the live
[11:38] <Kinnison> Keybuk: slowly
[11:38] <Kinnison> :-)
[11:38] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the current DVD images aren't the final ones?  I'll do cd testing instead, then.
[11:39] <fabbione> pitti: vodka!
[11:39] <fabbione> i did try italian yesterday
[11:39] <fabbione> a tragedy
[11:40] <dholbach> although i guess the keyboard would kill me :)
[11:40] <fabbione> something literally translated as "Installing" to "Installaizing"
[11:40] <pitti> fabbione: and that's wrong?
[11:41] <pitti> dholbach: you can still choose a German or English keyboard
[11:41] <fabbione> pitti: quite...
[11:41] <dholbach> Installizing sounds a bit wrong to me :-p
[11:41] <pitti> Installazione Ubuntu pizza mafia Fabbione
[11:41] <fabbione> ehhee
[11:42] <Keybuk> Kinnison: you've run all the apps on the live cd, done a test install, run all the apps there, done an alternate install, tried other languages in both live and alternate, etc. in just an hour?
[11:42] <Kinnison> Keybuk: No
[11:42] <Kinnison> Keybuk: So far I've run the apps on the live CD
[11:42] <Kinnison> Keybuk: Not all of them yet
[11:42] <Kamion> Mithrandir: nope
[11:42] <Kinnison> and I've sneezed the greater majority of my brain out along with my hayfever
[11:43] <Mithrandir> Kinnison: mmm, brains.
[11:45] <jdub> mvo, bgertzfield: new modules packages don't conflict/replace/etc the old separate ones
[11:46] <Kamion> don't they install to a different location on the filesystem?
[11:46] <jdub>  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-686/misc/vmnet.ko', which is also in package vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-23-686
[11:47] <Kamion> should be replaces then not conflicts
[11:47] <Kamion> well, I guess it could be conflicts too since the old packages have gone away
[11:48] <mvo> jdub: right, I will have a look
[11:48] <Kamion> right
[11:48] <Kamion> including the server seed this time
[11:48] <Mithrandir> jdub: because giving you up-to-date status on your printer is important.
[11:48] <jdub> ooh
[11:48] <jdub> May 31 19:48:52 localhost kernel: [4459711.966000]  VFS: busy inodes on changed media.
[11:49] <jdub> ~4 every second
[11:50] <fabbione> jdub: stop mplayer pron.avi while you do other stuff? ;)
[11:53] <sladen> jdub: can you search back in the logs for the previous  "VFS: Disk change detected on device.*"
[11:53] <sladen> jdub: and that will have the device major:minor at the end of the string
[11:55] <jdub> sladen: none at all, going back to dmesg
[11:56] <jdub> sladen: but i just put a CD in the drive, and it's stopped
[11:57] <jdub> sladen: must've been a mess left by an old cd mount
[11:57] <sladen> jdub: did you manage to eject the CD while it was still mounted/in use by something?
[11:57] <sladen> jdub: yeah, very likely
[11:57] <jdub> must have
[11:58] <jdub> ok, so now it's just cups-icon jumping up and down, but that's normal
[12:10] <Riddell> carlos: hi
[12:11] <carlos> Riddell: hi
[12:11] <carlos> Riddell: I need a .pot file for koffice that you didn't gave me, the one to translate the .desktop files
[12:11] <carlos> Riddell: desktop_koffice
[12:12] <carlos> Riddell: outside that one, koffice and k3b are fixed now
[12:12] <carlos> Riddell: also, I had to fix kchart and kpresenter to set the encoding to UTF-8, seems like the .pot files you gave me are not using your script to fix that one
[12:12] <Riddell> carlos: that won't be any use, there's nothing to put the strings back into the .desktop files
[12:13] <carlos> Riddell: isn't KDE using gettext like we do with GNOME to get updates from .mo files?
[12:13] <Riddell> not yet
[12:13] <carlos> ok
[12:40] <doko_> rsync's from cdimage are slow, or just abort (connection unexpectedly closed) :-/
[12:44] <Kamion> Riddell: alternate should be fixable
[12:44] <Kamion> Riddell: I'll have a look in a moment
[12:45] <Kamion> Riddell: I vote for ignoring desktop though - that would involve a -meta upload
[12:46] <Riddell> Kamion: will it break anything to not have language-support-en on it?
[12:49] <Kamion> Riddell: yes
[12:49] <Kamion> I'll have a look and see what the problem is
[12:51] <Kamion> Ubuntu (20060531.2) and Kubuntu (20060531.1) DVDs updated and now with zero uninstallables
[12:51] <Kamion> about to rebuild Edubuntu DVDs
[12:51] <Kamion> can somebody please update Testing/Current for those/
[12:51] <Kamion> ?
[12:53] <Riddell> Kamion: I'll update Testing/Current
[12:54] <Keybuk> Riddell: already done
[12:54] <Riddell> so it is
[12:56] <dholbach> Kamion: how can I further debug  http://daniel.holba.ch/Screenshot.png ? which info do you need?
[12:57] <Kamion> dholbach: sorry, what's the problem there?
[12:57] <dholbach> Kamion: gparted is not gtk-plugged
[12:57] <Kamion> oh I see
[12:57] <Kamion> er, dunno, is it being invoked with the right arguments (window id)? use xprop to check ubiquity's window id
[12:58] <seb128> dholbach: did you do something special like going forward backward and doing changes and cancelling them? I managed to get that some time ago while playing like that
[12:59] <Kamion> hate hate gparted
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[12:59] <dholbach> seb128: yes, I tried manual partitioning and it jumped to the choose partition<->mountpoints thing and I though I'd hit "Forward" two times, so I went back
[12:59] <mvo> is it known that the cd integrity checker jumps around a lot?
[12:59] <pitti> mvo: ping (u-m could not calculate upgrade, although 'sudo aptitude dist-upgrade' didn't complain)
[12:59] <dholbach> mvo: I think so.
[01:00] <dholbach> Kamion: ps afxvw    says:       gparted --installer 0
[01:00] <seb128> dholbach: k, might be worht mentionning what you did when you point a such bug :p
[01:00] <Kamion> score!
[01:00] <\sh> ILO Boards from HP == TOP, eRIC Boards from Peppercorn == Totally b0rked shit
[01:00] <mvo> pitti: aptitude/apt never complain, they just happily remove ubuntu-desktop and go on :)
[01:00] <mvo> pitti: can you put the logs somewhere for me please? 
[01:00] <Kamion> that comes from gtk.Socket().get_id() basically
[01:00] <pitti> mvo: sure, I'll file a bug
[01:01] <mvo> pitti: it may take a bit for me to answer because I'm going to have lunch
[01:01] <Kamion> well, after adding it to a window
[01:01] <mvo> pitti: have you seen my cusys bugreport?
[01:01] <Kamion> dholbach: ubiquity bug; my only guess is that there was already a gparted running for a brief period so ubiquity failed to add the new one to self.embedded and then got confused
[01:01] <pitti> mvo: not yet
[01:02] <dholbach> Kamion: which logs would you like me to attach to a possible bug report?
[01:02] <\sh> I wonder if there is a patch to fdisk/sfdisk/cfdisk for partitioning disks with sectorsize is > %9L
[01:02] <Kamion> dholbach: just /var/log/installer/syslog please
[01:02] <dholbach> Kamion: ok
[01:02] <Kamion> (may not be amazingly useful though)
[01:02] <dholbach> Kamion: thanks
[01:02] <Kamion> np
[01:03] <pitti> mvo: bug 47648
[01:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47648 in update-manager "could not calculate upgrade" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47648
[01:17] <sladen> \sh: 1MB sectors?
[01:17] <dholbach> Kamion: bug 47652
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47652 in ubiquity "ubiquity doesn't pass correct window ID to gparted --installer" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47652
[01:18] <Kamion> thanks
[01:24] <janimo> md
[01:24] <janimo> never mind
[01:28] <doko_> orga: FYI testing edubuntu DVD's
[01:33] <Kamion> the edubuntu DVDs only *just* finished building :)
[01:33] <Kamion> and have zero uninstallables, excellent
[01:33] <ogra> Kamion, ??
[01:33] <\sh> sladen: standard sectors
[01:34] <Kamion> can somebody update Testing/Current for Edubuntu DVDs 20060531.1?
[01:34] <Kamion> ogra: wake up, I mentioned this issue this morning
[01:34] <\sh> sladen: it's not possible to set the EFI GPT id (ee) before you setup a partition...
[01:34] <Kamion> uninstallables on DVDs due to cdimage vs. seeds issue
[01:34] <ogra> Kamion, i was offline due testing 
[01:34] <ogra> ARGH
[01:34] <Kamion> it's fixed in the build I just did
[01:34] <ogra> i'm just done
[01:34] <Kamion> and you didn't notice the uninstallables?
[01:34] <ogra> nope
[01:34] <ogra> all fine
[01:34] <Kamion> excellent testing there :-P
[01:34] <Mithrandir> Kamion: the regular DVDs are built too now?
[01:34] <Kamion> Mithrandir: yeah
[01:35] <Mithrandir> excellent
[01:35] <Kamion> ogra: you obviously didn't read report.html
[01:35] <ogra> the amd64 workstation install is just finishing right of me
[01:35] <Kamion> there were several hundred uninstallables, although none in the regular installation path
[01:35] <ogra> gar
[01:35] <sladen> \sh: can you explain that in more detail?  Is this a limitation of gparted?
[01:35] <sladen> \sh: or is that the only way to force a commit of the updated partition table to the disk?
[01:37] <ogra> Kamion, anything else important i have missed like i have to redo my liveCD tests as well or something ?
[01:38] <Kinnison> the OOo menu entries aren't translated unless 'Spreadsheet' and 'Word Processor' are french
[01:38] <Kinnison> The GIMP entry isn't translated into french either
[01:38] <pitti> Kinnison: you don't have the French langpack installed then?
[01:39] <Kinnison> pitti: Just went to language-support and ticked 'french' then logged out and logged back in having chosen french (utf8@euro) from the language menu as per the instructions
[01:39] <pitti> Kinnison: there still seems to be a bug in the fallback to the .desktop translations if the langpack doesn't provide the translations
[01:39] <Kinnison> pitti: it installe a bunch of packages
[01:39] <pitti> Kinnison: but most of the menu entries are French?
[01:39] <pitti> Kinnison: OO.o .desktops are scarcely translated
[01:40] <Mithrandir> Kinnison: utf8@euro? eww
[01:40] <Kinnison> pitti: Aye everything I've looked at thus far except for the GIMP and OOo are translated
[01:40] <Mithrandir> Kinnison: there's no UTF-8@euro in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED ..
[01:40] <pitti> Kinnison: ok, that sounds sane then; it at least sounds possible that the gimp .desktop is simply untranslated then (you can check the .desktop file)
[01:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47607 in ubiquity "At final stage of installation (96%) installer crashed" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47607
[01:41] <Mithrandir> pitti: probably got bit by the last-minute change to the ooo desktop files, then
[01:41] <dholbach> I thought I'd try xfs
[01:41] <pitti> Kinnison: right, UTF8@euro is something that has been an error from the beginning and should die
[01:41] <Kinnison> Mithrandir: it was presented on the menu so I did the "I'm a user" thing of picking the one which was probably right for me being in europe
[01:41] <pitti> Kinnison: menu -> in expert install or language-selector?
[01:41] <\sh> sladen: no..there is a limitation in sfdisk/cfdisk/fdisk..parted works
[01:41] <Mithrandir> ok, it took about two minutes to find a bug in konqueror. :-P
[01:41] <Kinnison> pitti: language-selector
[01:41] <pitti> Kinnison: ouch; that deserves a bug report
[01:42] <Kinnison> pitti: looks like the gimp itself is translated
[01:42] <Kinnison> pitti: just not its .desktop
[01:42] <Keybuk> mvo: if I have an Ubuntu dapper DVD in the drive of a Breezy machine ... how do I "upgrade" to that using update-manager?
[01:43] <mvo> Keybuk: we don't support a full upgrade with only a cd/dvd yet (full == including sources.list rewriting and everything) 
[01:44] <pitti> mvo: I found out the cause of u-n breakage; it might affect hoary->breezy upgraders (unless that removes the old kernels, but I doubt that)
[01:44] <sivang> should I follow http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current to do testing ?
[01:44] <pitti> sivang: yes, please
[01:44] <sivang> pitti: k
[01:45] <mvo> pitti: I have noticed, yes. I think we should add it to the release note 
[01:45] <zul> heylo
[01:46] <pitti> Keybuk: I manually did apt-cdrom add (or use synaptic, which adds it for you), then call u-n normally; that worked (just a cosmetics issue, bug 46340)
[01:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46340 in update-manager "confusing dialog when using CD as apt source" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46340
[01:46] <pitti> mvo: do you think that can be easily fixed with another breezy-updates version?
[01:47] <Kamion> ogra: alternate and desktop CDs have not been changed since this morning
[01:47] <mvo> pitti: possible, but its a bit tricky :/ (needs some thought)
[01:47] <ogra> Kamion, ok
[01:47] <Kamion> dholbach: yes, ddon't use XFS for /
[01:47] <AlinuxOS> pitti, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts/+bug/47393  here is everything for future 0.3 ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts realise, with bpg font optimised .fonts.conf file. As actual 0.2 version has ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts.hints bug. If it possible to fix after realise, no problems, We can wait :)
[01:47] <Kamion> at least without creating an XFS /boot
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47393 in ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts "ttf-bpg-georgian-fonts v 0.3 Candidate is Ready." [Normal,Confirmed]  
[01:48] <pitti> mvo: ok, thank you; update-notes are probably fine for that
[01:48] <pitti> AlinuxOS: not now, please; post-release
[01:48] <dholbach> Kamion: I'd never do it in real life, I just wanted to do variations
[01:48] <Kamion> oh, indeed
[01:48] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ok, don't worry! good luck! and good work to all!
[01:52] <Kamion> ok, think I know why ia64 alternate is oversized
[01:53] <sladen> pitti: try root on reiserfs, it's the first thing that Gentoo users try
[01:53] <pitti> sladen: that's what I usually do anyway
[01:54] <\sh> ugh...reiserfs
[01:54] <pitti> sladen: I use 50:50 reiserfs/ext3 in the install tests, and some XFS/JFS just for the fun in tests
[01:54] <pitti> hey, just because Hans is a bit queer, the fs rocks
[01:54] <Mithrandir> pitti: sure, for /tmp and such.
[01:54] <Mithrandir> eraserfs isn't safe, IME.
[01:55] <Seveas> ricer fs
[01:55] <pitti> why do you think so? /me never had any problem with it
[01:55] <sivang> reiser is nice, just not for /boot
[01:56] <pitti> sivang: I don't have separate /boots (I don't need them, woudl just be a waste for me), but booting reiser works fine on the three arches I have
[01:56] <Mithrandir> pitti: eraserfs and jfs are the two file systems which have lost data for me.
[01:56] <sivang> ah cool, I'll try that then in the upcoming install on this SATA laptop
[01:56] <AlinuxOS> Mithrandir, is reiser faster then ext3 ? I personally use ext3 evrhywhere.
[01:57] <Mithrandir> AlinuxOS: no idea.  I care less about speed than integrity.
[01:57] <pitti> AlinuxOS: it handles many small files much more efficiently; I don't have benchmarks, but it's said to be faster due to some clever inode organization (binary trees and such)
[01:58] <Keybuk> hey
[01:58] <Keybuk> anyone with an i386 dapper desktop
[01:58] <AlinuxOS> Mithrandir, I prefer speed as I use laptop... with 5400rpm. maybe I'll try reiser in future.
[01:58] <Keybuk> please modprobe i83265
[01:58] <Keybuk> (save any work before hand)
[01:58] <pitti> AlinuxOS: both are journaling fses, and in my experience hard disks crash more often physically than due to fs corruption (but that's just me!)
[01:58] <pitti> anyway, OT
[01:58] <Seveas> Keybuk:
[01:58] <Seveas> dennis@mirage:~$ sudo modprobe i83265
[01:58] <Seveas> Password:
[01:58] <Seveas> FATAL: Module i83265 not found.
[01:58] <AlinuxOS> pitti, :) hehe personal experiences. The same for me :)
[01:59] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ok. nomore OT.
[01:59] <Mithrandir> Seveas: I think s/32/23/ is what he meant.
[01:59] <Keybuk> sorry
[01:59] <Keybuk> typo
[01:59] <Keybuk> please modprobe i82365
[02:00] <Seveas> dennis@mirage:~$ sudo modprobe i82365
[02:00] <Seveas> FATAL: Error inserting i82365 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.ko): No such device
[02:00] <Fujitsu> Same here.
[02:01] <Keybuk> anyone else?
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> wfm
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> well.. fatal no such device
[02:01] <dholbach> FATAL: Error inserting i82365 (/lib/modules/2.6.15-23-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.ko): No such device
[02:01] <sivang> same here, but I am on laptop
[02:01] <Keybuk> "No such device" is ok
[02:01] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[02:01] <Seveas> same here on another machine
[02:01] <sivang> err, no
[02:02] <sivang> sivan@swirl:~$ modprobe i83265
[02:02] <sivang> FATAL: Module i83265 not found.
[02:02] <Fujitsu> I'm on a laptop, but I don't have a PCMCIA card slot.
[02:02] <Seveas> sivang, s/32/23/
[02:02] <Fujitsu> i82635, sivang.
[02:02] <mjg59> sivang: i82365
[02:02] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[02:02] <mjg59> Not i83265
[02:02] <Fujitsu> I said it wrong :(
[02:02] <sivang> mjg59: ops, yes, I have this here
[02:03] <sivang> -> No such device
[02:03] <fabbione> sladen: did you finish to edit the page?
[02:04] <fabbione> (testing/current)
[02:04] <dholbach> no such device on another machine as well
[02:05] <infinity> Kamion: Ouch on the DVD rebuild issue....
[02:05] <infinity> Kamion: Otherwise, is everything looking good so far?
[02:05] <Mithrandir> the volume label should have today's date, not tomorrow
[02:05] <Mithrandir> 's, right?
[02:05] <sladen> fabbione: go go go
[02:06] <pitti> mvo: yay, successful breezy->dapper dist-upgrade with both l-support-{en,de}
[02:06] <pitti> mvo: I'll try the ppc one again now, maybe it was just PEBCAK
[02:07] <Kamion> infinity: think so, couple of -updates issues discovered
[02:08] <Kamion> infinity: oh and I'm trying to sort out ia64 oversizing (overenthusiastic transitional packages in ship, can't fix in live though)
[02:09] <dholbach> fabbione: tell me when you finished editing?
[02:09] <infinity> Kamion: Well, we always have ia64 ubuntu-server, so whatever. :)
[02:09] <fabbione> dholbach: saving now
[02:09] <dholbach> fabbione: rocknroll
[02:09] <fabbione> dholbach: done
[02:09] <Kamion> infinity: yeah, not too bothered about ia64 desktop, we can just not publish it
[02:10] <Fujitsu> IA64 being distinct from AMD64?
[02:10] <Kamion> yes
[02:10] <HrdwrBoB> very much so
[02:10] <infinity> Kamion: I don't think any of the ports/desktop CDs work anyway, I just built them for people who felt the urge to test.
[02:10] <infinity> Kamion: So best to not publish the whole lot.
[02:11] <simira> marilize: is it possible to get Dapper cd'e to Norway within a couple of weeks? We're having an install-fest
[02:11] <dholbach> pitti: saving...
[02:11] <dholbach> pitti: done
[02:11] <Kamion> infinity: *nod*
[02:11] <pitti> dholbach: *hug*
[02:11] <Keybuk> ok, nobody's desktop crashed; will assume that's safe on dapper then
[02:11] <KaiL_> are there any ia64 desktops in the world? I thought, that arch is only used for (very few) servers?
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> possibly used by mad scientists and insane geeks
[02:12] <HrdwrBoB> who are not relevant to real desktops
[02:12] <infinity> KaiL_: There are thousands.
[02:13] <KaiL_> infinity, compared to even millions for Sparc? ;)
[02:13] <infinity> KaiL_: In the workstation world.  But none of them would be running Linux.
[02:13] <Fujitsu> 64-bit Isomethingorother?
[02:13] <Fujitsu> Itanium?
[02:13] <KaiL_> Fujitsu, yes
[02:13] <Fujitsu> THey are pretty rare, and only in servers, as far as I know...
[02:14] <KaiL_> no wonder: afaik only a few Linux distributions and HP Unix run on it
[02:14] <Keybuk> infinity: did you sleep well?
[02:15] <infinity> Keybuk: I kept tossing and turning, worrying about the release. :P
[02:15] <pitti> so, I tested all variants of alternate, now let's go to desktop. I'll be offline for some time again
[02:15] <Keybuk> heh, I was dreaming about something release related
[02:15] <Fujitsu> So, there's Desktop, Alternate and Server?
[02:16] <infinity> I had dreams that all the CDs had to be rebuilt because of something that wasn't even shipped on them, and it was all my fault, and blah blah.
[02:16] <infinity> It was a pretty rought dream.
[02:16] <infinity> rough, too.
[02:16] <fabbione> Fujitsu: please move to #ubuntu. these are FAQ by now
[02:16] <infinity> Hence this, as soon as I woke up:
[02:16] <infinity> cdimage@lithium:~/cdimage/www/full$ find . -name current | xargs ls -l
[02:16] <fabbione> and we are busy preparing a release
[02:16] <infinity> And the pleasant discovery that only DVDs had been rebuilt.
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Noted, sorry.
[02:26] <fabbione> can somebody please make sure to perform an installation in Japanese and thai?
[02:28] <Fujitsu> I did a Japanese installation a couple of days back...
[02:30] <Kamion> we need one following the localechooser changes last night, I'm afraid
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[02:32] <Mithrandir> Riddell: is kdm not translated?
[02:35] <Riddell> Mithrandir: it is, it just never uses the translations
[02:36] <ogra> Kamion, base-installer: info: found kernels ''
[02:36] <Riddell> it doesn't use the system locale, it uses what's specified in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc which defaults to english
[02:36] <ogra> :(
[02:36] <Mithrandir> Riddell: it should pick up the system default and put it in that file, then
[02:36] <ogra> that didnt happen on 20060530.2
[02:37] <LaserJock> morgs: I think those have been around since anchient times
[02:38] <morgs> Duh, I should browse my filesystem more!
[02:39] <ogra> morgs, the ones sabdf1 contributed are in the screensaver-default-images package
[02:39] <Keybuk> LaserJock: where ancient ~= last week
[02:39] <pitti> dholbach: ping
[02:40] <ogra> Kamion, seems the GPG key on the edubuntu install CDs is broken
[02:40] <LaserJock> Keybuk: oh sorry, I just remember using space pictures in Red Hat 7.2
[02:43] <morgs> Mmm, space pics the founder took personally - some bling Gentoo doesn't have ;-)
[02:44] <Kamion> ogra: GPG key> er, really? details
[02:44] <Kamion> ogra: please send me the full log for that base-installer problem
[02:44] <Kamion> ogra: I assume that was on a DVD although you didn't say
[02:45] <sivang> oh crap, download ETA 54% [[02:45] <sivang> /home/sivan/machines-backups
[02:45] <sivang> 45:57/home/sivan/machines-backups
[02:45] <ogra> Kamion, nope thats amd64 install
[02:45] <ogra> no dvd
[02:45] <Kamion> ogra: ok, please send me the log
[02:45] <ogra> yep
[02:46] <doko_> Kamion: how long does a fs resize take (150gb -> 75 GB)? the progress bar stays at 0% for now 5min.
[02:47] <Kamion> doko_: ages
[02:47] <Kamion> yes, I know the progress bar isn't updated, it's annoying but it's known
[02:47] <infinity> doko_: If there's actually data on that partition, it'll take FOREVER.
[02:47] <pitti> sivang: ah, I just discovered the breakage of moving files from 'Examples' to the Desktop (which fails due to r/o). Your patch works?
[02:48] <pitti> doko_: for my standard ubuntu install it took about 5 mins
[02:48] <pitti> doko_: on amd64, that is; about 10 on my iBook
[02:48] <sivang> pitti: it's not in, seb128 said it is material for dapper-updates
[02:49] <pitti> sivang: I know; I'm just curious whether the patch works
[02:49] <sivang> pitti: let me test here (I'm patched
[02:49] <Mirv> is seb128 the only one who could check why the translations for Gaim .desktop have disappeared at least for some languages in new installation? I filed bug 47669 now
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47669 in gaim "Menu entry has lost its translation in at least Finnish" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47669
[02:49] <Mirv> there :)
[02:49] <pitti> Mirv: same here for German
[02:49] <pitti> hey hey seb12
[02:49] <pitti> and seb128
[02:50] <pitti> and all other seb# around
[02:50] <sivang> pitti: like a charm :)
[02:50] <sivang> pitti: just tried
[02:50] <Mirv> it looks a bit ugly as now finally about all the menu entries would have been nicely translated.. but Gaim is not
[02:50] <seb128> hi pitti ;)
[02:50] <ogra> Kamion, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/gpg-error-syslog
[02:50] <Mirv> seb128: I was _just_ talking about you. see http://launchpad.net/bugs/47669  - pitti said the same is with german
[02:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47669 in gaim "Menu entry has lost its translation in at least Finnish" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[02:50] <seb128> Mirv: what menu entry is not translated?
[02:51] <Mirv> seb128: Gaim; it used to be earlier, but with a fresh installation it is not
[02:51] <pitti> Mirv: we should be able to fix that with updated langpacks, unless the POT file is broken, too
[02:51] <Kamion> ogra: ok, the base-installer error is due to the GPG key problem
[02:51] <seb128> it's translated to french
[02:51] <Mirv> pitti: yes, the translations should be in langpacks, but the desktop file now being installed in a new installation has not got the translations
[02:52] <Mirv> seb128: it might be translated for languages that had translations in the desktop file in upstream
[02:52] <ogra> Kamion, yep, that far i grokked it, but why is the gpg problem ? 
[02:52] <Kamion> -r--r--r--   1    0    0            1901 May 31 2006 [   2295 00]   Release
[02:52] <Kamion> -r--r--r--   1    0    0               0 May 31 2006 [   2296 00]   Release.gpg
[02:52] <Kamion> hmm, indeed
[02:52] <ogra> ouch
[02:52] <Kamion> weird, I'll look at that
[02:52] <ogra> its fine on the liveCDs
[02:52] <seb128> Mirv: that might be a bug with the gettext patch for .desktop, pitti will know better
[02:52] <Zomb> high... stupid questions, how do plans for xorg-7.1 look like?
[02:52] <sivang> hmm, "Exprience ubuntu.ogg" on my lap box basically has no video performance what so ever
[02:52] <sivang> :-/
[02:53] <seb128> Zomb: we are sort of busy with dapper atm
[02:53] <Mirv> seb128: also, the translations are there if you don't have a new installation. my dapper at home still has the translation even though it's updated
[02:53] <Mirv> seb128: ok
[02:53] <Zomb> seb128: no doubts from me... :-)
[02:53] <seb128> Zomb: so not the timefor new xorg or GNOME
[02:53] <mvo> Zomb: lets talk about it after release :)
[02:53] <Zomb> yeah
[02:53] <Zomb> ok, thanks
[02:53] <Kamion> ogra: only affects edubuntu alternate amd64; I just checked
[02:54] <imbrandon> Zomb, you are better off asking in #ubuntu for the moment , the developers are busy with the release very soon ( or come back after release )
[02:54] <infinity> That's bizarre.
[02:54] <ogra> ah, good, race condition ? delay in copying ? 
[02:55] <ogra> is it possible to rebuild only amd64 ?
[02:55] <Kamion> gpg: fatal: can't read `/home/cdimage/.gnupg/random_seed': No such file or direc
[02:55] <Kamion> tory
[02:55] <Kamion> oddness
[02:55] <Kamion> I wonder if that was a parallel build in progress or something
[02:55] <Kamion> infinity: were you building something else at the same time?
[02:55] <Kamion> ogra: yes, that's pretty easy, I'll do that
[02:55] <ogra> thanks :D
[02:55] <ogra> phew
[02:56] <Kamion> building
[02:56] <infinity> Kamion: Yeah, I suepect the edubuntu alternates were in paralell with a DVD build.
[02:57] <Kamion> fun little gpg bug, that
[02:57] <infinity> Kamion: Likely because someone (not naming any names) has spend the last 6 months bragging about the cdimage parallelisation, and how wickedly fast and aweomse it is. :P
[02:58] <infinity> awesome, too.
[02:58] <Kamion> :-)
[02:58] <Kamion> I think we still win overall ;)
[02:58] <Kamion> but yeah, maybe better stick some locking in there - or just fix gpg
[02:59] <pitti> Kamion: maybe gpg uses flock() for accessing the seeds, in order to avoid races on rewriting it, or so?
[03:01] <Kamion> ogra: edubuntu amd64 updated; other arches carried over unchanged
[03:01] <Kamion> 20060531.1
[03:02] <Kamion> good catch on that
[03:02] <ogra> thanks !! :)
[03:02] <Kamion> -r--r--r--   1    0    0             189 May 31 2006 [   2296 00]   Release.gpg
[03:04] <Keybuk> that was a very quick rsync ;)
[03:04] <seb128> pitti: that was fast ;)
[03:06] <Mithrandir> do we have a test plan for rescue mode or is it just "boot into it, make sure it looks decent, mark as pass"?
[03:07] <pitti> seb128: yes, just rebooted from live CD to ubiquity install
[03:08] <pitti> Mithrandir: I tried to reinstall grub/yaboot and to get a shell in my root partition
[03:11] <infinity> Mithrandir: What pitti said.  I've actually tested that is DOES stuff a couple of times.
[03:11] <infinity> s/is/it/
[03:13] <Mirv> pitti: it looks like Rosetta has lost .desktop translations for Gaim. actually for German there's a translation in the desktop file, but it is from upstream and is just "Gaim Internet Messenger" instead of something more German
[03:13] <pitti> I have to leave for about an hour, and can't do much anyway while the u-n dist-upgrade is running. BBL
[03:13] <seb128> Mirv: not a bug then?
[03:14] <Mirv> seb128: well, a bug somewhere.
[03:15] <seb128> the upstream german translation is bugged then?
[03:15] <Mirv> seb128: yes, and the upstream didn't have many translations last Autumn, while in Rosetta there would have been many more new translation as the desktop files were translatable there
[03:16] <seb128> there should still be
[03:16] <seb128> the gaim package didn't change for a while now
[03:16] <Mirv> but it seems like they have disappeared from Rosetta, and in new installations it shows as missing menu entry translations
[03:18] <Mirv> all the other menu entries besides Gaim are unaffected
[03:19] <seb128> Mirv: maybe some german translator changed the gaim translation on rosetta
[03:19] <bddebian> Hello folks
[03:20] <seb128> hi bddebian
[03:20] <Mirv> seb128: yes, that's the point.. probably German .desktop-file translation was also improved in Rosetta (to be actually in German), but now it has disappeared and the old upstream .desktop file is there instead
[03:21] <seb128> Mirv: I doubt that the gaim template has changed, if the .desktop was translatable on rosetta it should still be
[03:21] <Mirv> and for Finnish there is no translation at all now in the .desktop file, even though the two .desktop strings were translated in Rosetta much earlier this spring 
[03:21] <Mirv> seb128: I checked out de.po from Rosetta and there are no string called "Gaim Internet Messenger" or anything related to the .desktop files. there were earlier.
[03:22] <bddebian> Hello seb128
[03:22] <bddebian> doko_: ping by any chance?
[03:23] <seb128> Mirv: right, I'll fix that but after dapper now
[03:23] <Mirv> seb128: yes, I understand, I just wanted to make the issue understood :)
[03:24] <Mirv> thanks
[03:24] <seb128> np
[03:24] <seb128> that's still weird you say it was listed
[03:24] <seb128> there is no reason for the template to change
[03:24] <seb128> carlos: around?
[03:24] <bddebian> pitti: ping?
[03:25] <Mirv> I have somehow accustomed to weird things happening in Rosetta
[03:25] <seb128> you should not
[03:25] <seb128> if there is some bug there should be pointed and fixed
[03:25] <seb128> you should not get accustomed to bugs and ignore them :/
[03:26] <bddebian> Why not, we do it with Windows all the time? ;-)
[03:29] <doko_> bddebian: not for work ...
[03:29] <dholbach> pitti: pong
[03:30] <bddebian> doko_: OK, sorry.  Can you grab me sometime if you get a sec?
[03:58] <carlos> seb128: hi
[04:02] <Mirv> carlos: as you can see from the discussion, seb128 probably wanted you to look why translations for the desktop files have seemingly disappeared from Rosetta templates and thus PO files, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gaim/+bug/47669
[04:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47669 in gaim "Menu entry has lost its translation in at least Finnish" [Normal,Confirmed]  
[04:03] <Mirv> carlos: I mean, for Gaim, not others
[04:05] <seb128> carlos: right, do you know when the gaim template changed previous time and what changed?
[04:13] <carlos> seb128: let me check...
[04:14] <carlos> seb128: POT-Creation-Date: 2006-05-17 14:49+0000
[04:15] <seb128> carlos: is the pot update at every package upload even if there is no change?
[04:15] <seb128> updated
[04:15] <carlos> seb128: and last .po file uploaded from Ubuntu's archive was also on that date
[04:15] <carlos> seb128: yes
[04:15] <seb128> k
[04:15] <seb128> do you have an history on the .pots for it?
[04:15] <seb128> not the dates but the content
[04:16] <carlos> seb128: yes, but outside Rosetta
[04:16] <carlos> seb128: rookery
[04:16] <carlos> at ~lamont/public_html/translations
[04:17] <seb128> carlos: ok, thank you
[04:17] <carlos> np
[04:24] <Keybuk> *blink*
[04:25] <Keybuk> I've entirely forgotten what tests I'm doing
[04:25] <ogra> lol
[04:26] <ogra> but i bet youu can type your name blind backwards
[04:27] <sfllaw> wallsf.
[04:27] <sfllaw> Damn.
[04:28] <Keybuk> ogra: nope, never tried
[04:28] <ogra> Keybuk, dont you use your name in the installer ? 
[04:28] <mdz> is someone doing a desktop CD install on amd64? pitti?
[04:28] <Keybuk> ogra: no, I just use dapper/dapper
[04:28] <ogra> heh
[04:30] <infinity> I was just about to ask someone to take my desktop/amd64 tasks.
[04:30] <pitti> dholbach: unping
[04:31] <pitti> bddebian: pong
[04:31] <pitti> mdz: yes, I'm doing the full set of amd64 and ppc installs
[04:31] <infinity> pitti: \o/  Thanks.
[04:33] <mdz> Riddell: have you begun testing the current Kubuntu candidates?
[04:33] <infinity> pitti: Will you have time to do all the amd64/desktop tests, or do you want me to try to take some?
[04:34] <pitti> infinity: I'm fine with doing them all
[04:34] <infinity> pitti: You rule.
[04:34] <pitti> infinity: I only have 2 left anyway (auto-resize and manual), all the other amd64 alternate and desktop possibilities are done (also dist-upgrade)
[04:35] <pitti> and I'm going to continue right now, brb
[04:36] <jdub> does anyone have firefox just halt on them sometimes? no heavy cpu usage, it just stops, but comes back in a while
[04:38] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:38] <jsgotangco> actually my cursor stops
[04:38] <jsgotangco> (it doesn't happen in epi though)
[04:44] <Riddell> mdz: yes, wiki page updated
[04:45] <mdz> Riddell: thanks
[04:49] <highvoltage> mdz: feeling better?
[04:53] <nomed> hi all
[04:53] <nomed> janimo: ping
[04:54] <nomed> could u confirm bug #46571 is gone ?
[04:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46571 in xfce4 "xfce4 doesnt shut down properly" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46571
[04:54] <mdz> highvoltage: alive
[04:55] <highvoltage> mdz: hope you feel like mdz again by tomorrow, you'll need to be ready for some partying :)
[05:10] <mdz> cmvo: thanks for recording your test results
[05:11] <bgertzfield> mvo: morning!
[05:15] <wasabi> Heh. We totally need a SDCE test... Supreme Dictator Certified Engineer.
[05:23] <janimo> nomed: hi, that bug is not gone
[05:23] <iwj> mdz: The reason I didn't give any detail about the way it broke when I upgraded KDE is that this is apparently a known feature of KDE.
[05:23] <janimo> will be gone by edgy hopefully :)
[05:24] <nomed> janimo: ok .. i do not understand why i do not see it :/
[05:25] <janimo> nomed, are you using gdm?
[05:25] <iwj> jdub: I've not really seen anything very much like that but I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few places where it takes out an overly big lock.
[05:25] <nomed> sure
[05:25] <iwj> jsgotangco: Mouse freeze is something different (swapping, probably).
[05:26] <janimo> nomed, so when you restart from the logout dialog, are you not dropped after X stops to a tty which looks like it's asking you to log in?
[05:26] <nomed> no
[05:26] <janimo> do you see the system shutting down messages without switching console?
[05:26] <nomed> yes
[05:26] <janimo> you are lucky then :)
[05:27] <janimo> I don;t know why but here those happen on vt7
[05:27] <Keybuk> Ubuntu i386 Alternate OEM Resize in Xhosa PASS
[05:27] <Keybuk> (aha!  bet nobody thought of testing _that_)
[05:27] <iwj> You can read Xhosa ?
[05:27] <sivang> heh
[05:27] <sivang> (desktop)
[05:29] <sivang> is there a time when the releases it planned to go out?
[05:29] <ogra> Kamion, can i have proper names for the edubuntu isos on my download html pages for release ? (edubuntu install says alternate in the header)
[05:30] <Keybuk> iwj: I know my way around the installer well enough that I don't _need_ to
[05:30] <Keybuk> and hda1 is hda1 in every language ;)
[05:31] <iwj> True :-).
[05:32] <iwj> A month or two ago I was running firefox in a locale where I didn't even know what the code meant.  Navigating through the preferences to test the fonts (which is what I was trying to do) was slightly tricky but not impossible.
[05:35] <pitti> iwj: I'm regularly lost when I test new m-firefox-l-all languages :)
[05:39] <cmvo> mdz: You're welcome. Installed server and expert/manual partion today, I'm about to add those.
[05:44] <doko_> sfllaw: testing both i386/amd64 WinFOSS DVD images
[05:48] <sfllaw> doko_: Thanks.
[06:01] <bddebian> pitti: Still here?
[06:01] <Kamion> ogra: I should be able to fix that, yes
[06:01] <Kamion> Riddell: help, I just did a zh_CN Kubuntu install on powerpc, and now skim segfaults when the desktop is starting up and I don't get a working desktop
[06:02] <ogra> Kamion, that'd be great, my doc guys are already confused what to write :)
[06:02] <Kamion> Riddell: what do you need to ebug this?
[06:02] <Kamion> er, debug
[06:02] <Kamion> ogra: it's just a minor bug that it says "alternate" there, the explanatory text below it is how it's meant to be
[06:03] <ogra> yep
[06:03] <pitti> bddebian: yes
[06:04] <mdz> mvo: have you seen any further reports of that upgrader segfault?
[06:05] <mvo> mdz: no, nothing so far. maybe a heisenbug
[06:05] <bddebian> pitti: Do we care about bug #45887
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45887 in dokuwiki "Security update needed for all versions prior to 2006 March 9th" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45887
[06:05] <mvo> mdz: but I have to do a (final) upload with the updated release-notes, updated translations and a one-line fix in the checkFreeSpace code - I'm preparing this now
[06:05] <zyga> hello hackers :)
[06:05] <mvo> mdz: is that ok?
[06:05] <bddebian> Hello zyga (Even thought I am not a "hacker") :-)
[06:06] <zyga> mvo: cound you use my help in any way?
[06:06] <Kamion> mvo: erm, upload to where?
[06:06] <Kamion> dapper is officially frozen in LP
[06:06] <Riddell> Kamion: is there a backtrace?  does it start up on second login?
[06:07] <mdz> mvo: debdiff?
[06:07] <Kamion> Riddell: where would the backtrace land? the message is in Chinese so unfortunately I cannot read it
[06:07] <mvo> Kamion: hm, if dapper-updates can deal with uploads of the upgrader I can use this
[06:07] <mdz> mvo: Kamion has a point; can we actually update the upgrader via -updates?
[06:07] <Kamion> and I'm not familiar enough with the interface to cope with it in any language
[06:07] <mdz> mvo: now is perhaps not the time to test that
[06:07] <mvo> mdz: sure, I'm preparing it
[06:07] <Kamion> mdz: we would need to check with cprov on that; the d-i handling code at one point did not deal with pockets
[06:07] <mdz> mvo: I suggest working with cprov to test it on staging
[06:08] <Kamion> mdz: or Kinnison would probably know too
[06:08] <mvo> mdz: ok - the only important bit are the releae notes, but they can be fetched from any http location, we can work around this and do with the current version (if required)
[06:08] <Riddell> Kamion: does the kde crash handler pop up?
[06:08] <Kamion> Riddell: yeah
[06:09] <Riddell> should be in the second tab of that
[06:09] <Riddell> actaully you would need to install gdb to get it
[06:09] <Riddell> I'll try a chinese install
[06:10] <Kamion> Riddell: oh, err - it broke on second login too (after ctrl-alt-backspace), but I just tried logging in again and it now works with no crash
[06:10] <Kamion> yay heisenbugs :-/
[06:14] <pitti> bddebian: well, if someone comes along and does it, fine for me :)
[06:14] <Kamion> Riddell: where  an I file bugs on the Kubuntu release notes?
[06:14] <bddebian> pitti: Well I would, but we are closed up shop...gah
[06:14] <Kamion> or is anyone from the doc team here that could have a look? they have some serious problems
[06:16] <bddebian> pitti: I would do it but uploads are frozen now aren't they?
[06:17] <Riddell> Kamion: KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[06:17] <iwj> mdz, riddell: More info in DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu/UpgradeProblems
[06:18] <iwj> But I have to go catch a train.  I'll be back in some hours (see mail to warthogs).
[06:19] <pitti> bddebian: they can go into d-security
[06:21] <mdz> iwj: have you completed any of your other test cases?
[06:21] <pitti> yay, grepping for my password yielded no result :)
[06:21] <ogra> heh
[06:26] <Kamion> Riddell: thanks, I've added a comment there
[06:27] <Keybuk> Riddell: so, err, I'm being thick
[06:27] <Keybuk> Riddell: adept doesn't seem to want to upgrade using a cd
[06:28] <Riddell> Keybuk: you're not being thick, it doesn't have that option unless you run apt-cdrom first
[06:29] <LaserJock> Kamion: does it say on the Kubuntu release notes who wrote it?
[06:31] <LaserJock> Kamion: nvm, found the svn log
[06:32] <mvo> can some native speaker please have a look over http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/update-manager/update-manager--dapper/DistUpgrade/ReleaseAnnouncement ? this is what the user sees before the dist-upgrade
[06:33] <seb128> mvo: is there a way to translate that? :)
[06:33] <LaserJock> mvo: that second paragraph sound like Edubuntu
[06:33] <LaserJock> mvo: i.e. "Ubuntu is a Linux distribution aimed for educators to easily deploy
[06:33] <LaserJock> and maintain a learning environment"
[06:34] <ogra> yeah, who made that up ?
[06:34] <mvo> seb128: not for dapper unfortunately :/ 
[06:35] <mvo> LaserJock: thanks, I took that from the DapperReleaseNotes in the wiki. I'll remove it again
[06:37] <ogra> mvo, i think they gopt copied from a template jsgotangco made for edubuntu :)
[06:37] <janimo> ogra, where's the link to edubuntu release notes?
[06:38] <doko_> Kamion: please see bug 47725
[06:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47725 in oem-config "timezone dialog pops up (no content), then the login screen appears" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47725
[06:38] <mvo> ogra: fixed now, thanks
[06:38] <pitti> doko_: that's merely cosmetical for German; it works fine for English
[06:38] <ogra> janimo, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement (we didnt use that template btw)
[06:38] <janimo> ogra, thanls
[06:38] <pitti> doko_: in Germany we only have one TZ, so it has nothing to ask :)
[06:39] <fabbione> Riddell: ping? i just got kde-media-notifier window popup on ubiquity ppc
[06:39] <fabbione> Riddell: what do you want me to look?
[06:39] <LaserJock> mvo: reads nicely
[06:40] <doko_> pitti: hmm, ok, but what do you do when installing in the UK?
[06:40] <pitti> doko_: then you should choose UK as country :)
[06:41] <Riddell> fabbione: just plain ppc?  not in a vmware like thing?
[06:41] <pitti> doko_: I did an install with country == USA and one for Russia, and there it asked me for the TZ 
[06:41] <fabbione> Riddell: plain ppc
[06:41] <doko_> pitti: we only have language and keyboard, not country, so I cannot install my laptop to work in the UK ;-P corner case, but I think that's over-optimized
[06:42] <fabbione> Riddell: is there anything you need otherwise i will keep going with the install test
[06:42] <Kamion> doko_: oem-config is known-to-be-crap in dapper. sorry - I just didn't have time to fix it up
[06:43] <pitti> doko_: strange, I was asked for both language and country in the 1st dialog, and keyboard in the 2nd
[06:43] <Riddell> fabbione: what disk is it reporting?
[06:43] <Kamion> I appreciate the bug reports but I do not think it is sensible to worry about them as dapper showstoppers
[06:43] <Riddell> fabbione: and whats the contents of media:/ in konqueror
[06:43] <pitti> doko_: well, for me it doesn't actually *respect* the keyboard setting, but it asks :) (I filed a bug)
[06:44] <Kamion> doko_: it's not deliberate optimisation, it's a side-effect of moving to tzsetup as part of d-i reorgs
[06:44] <Kamion> and yes it should be fixed, but it's not exactly a one-liner
[06:44] <doko_> Kamion: yes, it's German only, so not rc. just reporting
[06:44] <fabbione> Riddell: media:/ has 37G Media (the hd) and other stuff.. the prompt is about the 37G Media (hd repartioned basically)
[06:45] <Kamion> tbh it would take a lot to persuade me that any oem-config failure is RC
[06:45] <Riddell> fabbione: ok, thanks, that's fine
[06:45] <fabbione> Riddell: no problem
[06:45] <Kamion> simply because it has had about one day of development time allotted to it in dapper; anything else it's got has been sneaked in the side
[06:46] <pitti> Kamion: for that it worked surprisingly well :)
[06:49] <bddebian> heh
[06:57] <lastnode> silbs, ping?
[07:07] <\sh_away> Ladies, Gentlemen, I wish you good luck this night for the release of Dapper Drake aka Ubuntu 6.06 LTS...I will go now and celebrate the release already ;) all the best, good luck, Ubuntu :)
[07:07] <bddebian> w000t, later \sh_away!
[07:11] <HiddenWolf> bgertzfield: dapper doesn't have a "system tools" menu by default, you might want to consider putting vmware's .desktop in accessories like the terminal.
[07:24] <tritium> sivang: you have a T43p, correct?  Did you compile your own 2.6.16 kernel to get around the SATA-to-PATA bridge problems with the drive, particularly on resume from suspend?
[07:30] <mjg59> What bridge problems with the drive?
[07:32] <Keybuk> since when does one need a SATA/PATA bridge?
[07:35] <pitti> yay, all amd64 and ppc desktop/alternate/dist-upgrade tests succeeded
[07:35] <pitti> wearning my ubuntu t-shirt today must have helped a lot :)
[07:35] <pitti> wearing, even
[07:42] <infinity> pitti: Laugh.  Yeah, it was totally the t-shirt. :)
[07:42] <infinity> s/Laugh./*laugh*/
[07:50] <mdz> janimo: are you happy with your CD images?
[07:50] <janimo> mdz, yes
[07:51] <janimo> the 386 ones got tested only but hope the others are fine too
[07:57] <janimo> highvoltage: got around to seeing if ltsp clients boot off the installed xubuntu server?
[07:59] <highvoltage> janimo: nope. didn't have another machine present, although, the services is starting correctly
[07:59] <janimo> highvoltage: yeah I have another machine here but does not know pxe apparently
[07:59] <highvoltage> and there were no error messages, I can assume that it would work, although I still can't say 100% for sure. it does seem fine though
[08:00] <janimo> so I could not test it either
[08:00] <highvoltage> janimo: you can download a etherboot boot image with PXE emulation at http://rom-o-matic.net
[08:00] <janimo> highvoltage: ok the wording in the announcement remains then ' can easily install an ltsp server'
[08:00] <highvoltage> then you can boot from floppy / CD / grub to network
[08:00] <janimo> will not go into the details weather thin clients can connect to it :)
[08:00] <janimo> no spoilers in the release announcements!
[08:01] <highvoltage> janimo: well, i have a spare PC, so I can install and test now, if you want to be sure for the purposes of accurate announcement
[08:01] <ogra> janimo, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe :)
[08:01] <highvoltage> i can then tell you in +/- 45 mins?
[08:01] <janimo> highvoltage: I thought of pxe for that machine since it has broken floppy/CD :)
[08:01] <highvoltage> (have to burn cd first, etc)
[08:01] <Keybuk> Riddell: kde upgrade went VERY badly wrong
[08:01] <highvoltage> heh
[08:01] <janimo> highvoltage: no hurry, but thanks :)
[08:01] <Keybuk> like, the desktop actually crashed afterwards
[08:02] <infinity> Keybuk: Yeah, that matched iwj's experience too.
[08:02] <infinity> Keybuk: Segfault-o-rama and reset switch to complete the upgrade.
[08:02] <janimo> highvoltage: you still intend to deploy real xubuntu ltsps?
[08:03] <Keybuk> infinity: this was after the reset switch
[08:03] <infinity> Keybuk: Oh, special..
[08:04] <Keybuk> ah, no, it was just after I pushed "reboot" _in_ KDE
[08:04] <Keybuk> I assumed it had rebooted
[08:04] <highvoltage> janimo: well, that's a tough question, but we intend to use xubuntu desktop environment for sure
[08:04] <infinity> Seveas: Hey, slacker, you've not subscribed your feed mangler to edgy-changes yet. :)
[08:05] <Seveas> infinity, is edgy changes alive?
[08:05] <janimo> highvoltage: so if not via this methid then over edubuntu?
[08:05] <infinity> Seveas: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edgy-changes
[08:05] <highvoltage> janimo: we have lots of pressure on us for local device access, and things like network swap need to work. so we might have to use ltsp.org for another 6 months, something i'm not keen on...
[08:05] <Seveas> infinity, note that the feed won't work until the first mail is sent
[08:05] <janimo> ogra: is pxe entirely network card dependent, nothing to do with the system bios?
[08:05] <Seveas> I should do something about that
[08:05] <Seveas> but NOT NOW - report deadline in 3:55
[08:06] <infinity> Seveas: No big deal if liferea whines about a broken feed until it magically starts working.
[08:06] <janimo> highvoltage: aha, work for ogra for edgy ;)
[08:06] <highvoltage> janimo: we're definetly using XFCE though, we don't have much of a choice in terms of our older server's capacities... let's move this to #edubuntu or #xubuntu
[08:06] <ogra> janimo, thats top on my todo :)
[08:07] <janimo> highvoltage: ok, that's enough details for now, was just curious. But if you have any xfce questions/requests ping/mail me
[08:07] <ogra> pxe is card dependent but indeed you have the settings for it incorporated in the BIOS...
[08:08] <Kamion> ogra: fixed the Edubuntu install CD description for you for the final publish
[08:08] <ogra> thanks :)
[08:08] <Kamion> (although not in the current daily HEADER.html)
[08:08] <ogra> thats ok
[08:08] <Kamion> it's just s/alternate install CD/install CD?
[08:08] <Kamion> it's just s/alternate install CD/install CD/
[08:08] <janimo> Kamion, xubuntu remains on cdimage only?
[08:08] <Kamion> (ahem)
[08:08] <ogra> yep
[08:08] <highvoltage> janimo: thanks :)
[08:08] <Kamion> janimo: yes, releases would overflow if we added xubuntu I'm afraid
[08:09] <AlinuxOS> reinstalled Dapper, standart mode, everything is ok. no problem for me. Great!
[08:09] <Kamion> there are physical restrictions on how much disk can fit on those machines in the datacentre with the recent networking upgrades
[08:09] <Kamion> I didn't ask for details but I believe elmo
[08:09] <janimo> Kamion: np with that at all, it's  just so I write the url's correctly in the ann
[08:09] <Kamion> right
[08:09] <highvoltage> disk space is cheap!
[08:10] <Kamion> highvoltage: not when it won't fit in the machines :P
[08:10] <elmo> highvoltage: high end SCSI disk across multiple machines isn't cheap.  if you think otherwise, you know where to send your cheque to
[08:12] <highvoltage> elmo: I'll trust you on that
[08:12] <highvoltage> elmo: if i may ask, how much disk space is needed?
[08:13] <ogra> highvoltage, dont forget the mirrors will have to cope with it too
[08:14] <Tonio_> mdz: may I send you the debdiff for kubuntu-default-settings reguarding the Real streaming and audio streaming issues ? (for dapper-updates upload)
[08:16] <mdz> Tonio_: sure
[08:16] <mdz> Tonio_: I won't be around too much longer, though; I'll be going back to bed I think
[08:17] <mdz> Tonio_: (i.e., email rather than IRC would be best)
[08:17] <ogra> mdz, get well
[08:18] <Tonio_> mdz: sure
[08:19] <Tonio_> mdz: should be sent
[08:23] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, around?
[08:23] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: yes
[08:24] <janimo> I hope you did not find a bug
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> janimo, xfce4-menueditor has erased my menu
[08:24] <janimo> oh, ok :)
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> is it a known bug ?
[08:24] <janimo> started it from command line?
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[08:24] <janimo> menueditor is not too fucntional
[08:24] <Gloubiboulga> I see :)
[08:25] <janimo> i fyou start it from the menu it wants to edit system wide menu
[08:25] <crimsun> that's cool, just caution in the release notes making a backup prior to using it :-)
[08:25] <janimo> otherwise it seems to do this
[08:25] <ReMink> Hi !
[08:25] <janimo> I did not get it to eat my menu so far, just segfaulted
[08:25] <Gloubiboulga> it segfaulted the first time I launched it, and erased the menu the second time
[08:26] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: so you already had a menu on your ~/,config ?
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> a third time will regenerate the menu maybe ? :)
[08:26] <janimo> or erased meaning it does not show up?
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> the default menu, I've never edited it
[08:26] <janimo> oh, that cannot be erased it's in /etc
[08:26] <janimo> no permissions
[08:26] <Gloubiboulga> I have the "application" icon, but cliking on it doesn't open a menu
[08:27] <janimo> but xfce4-menueditor creates a 0 length menu file before segfaulting
[08:27] <janimo> so the menu picks that and it's empty
[08:27] <janimo> I just discovered this the other day
[08:27] <Gloubiboulga> ok, so if I remove it, the default menu will show up ?
[08:27] <janimo> to un-eat the menu go to it's properties menu then close the dialog
[08:27] <janimo> I think so
[08:28] <highvoltage> janimo: can that be fixed in -updates?
[08:28] <janimo> highvoltage: I filed a bug upstream so depending on what goes in updates it coudl be fixed
[08:28] <janimo> so it does not erase the menu or any data, it's just annoying in not using it until told to reread it
[08:29] <highvoltage> yep
[08:29] <Seveas> infinity, http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/edgy.xml
[08:29] <infinity> Seveas: Was already subscribed an hour ago. :)
[08:29] <Seveas> infinity, (with attached note that ubuntulinux.nl will be down from 16:00-ish tomorrow until 12:00-ish friday)
[08:29] <infinity> Seveas: Thanks.
[08:30] <Seveas> infinity, but it works since about a minute or so ;)
[08:30] <infinity> Seveas: You deleted warty?
[08:30] <infinity> I guess it /is/ dead now.. *shrug*
[08:30] <Seveas> yes
[08:31] <janimo> Gloubiboulga: yes if you remove it the old one should show up after the properties dialog dance
[08:34] <janimo> hmm things are still uploaded to dapper?
[08:34] <highvoltage> warty will live forever in our hearts and souls
[08:34] <janimo> oh dapper-updates alreday
[08:34] <crimsun> highvoltage: it's totally living through this dist-upgrade series...
[08:35] <janimo> is there a policy written on what can go in dapper-updates?
[08:35] <bigcx2> hey all
[08:35] <Seveas> highvoltage, very true
[08:35] <janimo> the ones I just saw are regular bugfixes
[08:36] <bigcx2> i would like a package in debian unstable to go into ubuntu....
[08:37] <bigcx2> would the best way to go about getting it into ubuntu to become a motu?
[08:37] <crimsun> bigcx2: if it's already in sid, it'll be synced into edgy automatically.
[08:37] <crimsun> bigcx2: if you'd like to help maintain it, of course, then yes, -motu is the route
[08:38] <bigcx2> fair enough...well what about dapper
[08:39] <bigcx2> the package that i'm interested in is ikiwiki
[08:39] <bigcx2> btw
[08:39] <crimsun> dapper's frozen, release is < 24 hours away. There's no possibility.
[08:40] <bigcx2> k
[08:40] <ogra> sure there is ...
[08:40] <bigcx2> i wasn't sure if i could get it in after the release
[08:40] <ogra> get it into edgy and ask for a backport ;)
[08:40] <crimsun> ogra: ok, fine you win, but that would be -backports. :-)
[08:40] <ogra> indeed :)
[08:40] <bigcx2> k so how would one go about that?
[08:41] <elmo> build/buildd/pointless-0.5/debian/pointless/usr/share/pointless/README universe/misc/pointless
[08:41] <elmo> build/buildd/python-4suite-0.99cvs20050418/4Suite/build/share/Dashboard/4ss-netscape.css universe/python/python2.4-4suite
[08:42] <elmo> someone might want to sort out that package
[08:42] <elmo> python2.4-4suite confirmed at least, haven't check pointless
[08:44] <mdke> Znarl: ping?
[08:44] <Znarl> mdke : Hello.
[08:44] <mdke> Znarl: hi! query...
[08:44] <bigcx2> anyone?
[08:46] <janimo> bigcx2: #ubuntu-motu is the best place to ask
[08:46] <bigcx2> alright thanks
[08:48] <elmo> remem.el                                                    universe/misc/remembrance-agent
[08:49] <elmo> crystalsvg/32x32/apps/siraj.png                             universe/kde/kbfx
[08:49] <elmo> debian/gtk-engines-mist/usr/share/themes/Mist/gtk/gtkrc     universe/x11/gtk-engines-mist
[08:49] <elmo> ^-- those too, not checked
[08:55] <infinity> elmo: Ouch.
[09:04] <Kamion> right, warty and hoary moved from releases.u.c to cdimage.u.c/old-releases/
[09:04] <Riddell> elmo: what's up with those files?
[09:04] <Kamion> Riddell: those paths are relative to/
[09:04] <Kamion> to /
[09:04] <elmo> Riddell: ... I'm pretty sure /crystalsvg isn't in the FHS
[09:05] <Keybuk> but /remem.pl should be
[09:05] <Riddell> investigating
[09:06] <Keybuk>     __                                       _
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[09:06] <Kamion> it's been a long releases
[09:07] <Keybuk> (wow, zsh can tab complete figlet font names ... that rocks!)
[09:07] <Seveas> (there is a bug open op python-4suite for this too)
[09:07] <Seveas> Keybuk, bash can do that too ;)
[09:08] <Keybuk> Seveas: comparing bash to zsh is like comparing a Honda Civic to a McLaren Mercedes SLR 55
[09:08] <Keybuk> you, just, don't
[09:08] <Seveas> heh
[09:09] <_ion> keybuk: Indeed. :-)
[09:10] <mdke> (hoping for some more custard)
[09:11] <Keybuk> mdke: what is it with you and custard?
[09:11] <mdke> i just like it. All english people do, surely
[09:11] <dieman> hrm
[09:11] <dieman> odd
[09:12] <dieman> the alternate installer doesn't like the example-preseed.txt file
[09:13] <Keybuk> mdke: I don;t
[09:13] <Keybuk> can't stand the stuff
[09:13] <mdke> Keybuk: you must be forrin
[09:13] <highvoltage> janimo: i have a serious problem with my xubuntu installation. gdm keeps restarting over and over and over :(
[09:13] <Keybuk> mdke: nope, English
[09:13] <janimo> oh, the ltso one?
[09:14] <mdke> Keybuk: well... I know you're English
[09:14] <janimo> highvoltage: ltsp I mean?
[09:14] <highvoltage> janimo: the one on the server, i'm about to start up a thin client now (actually this laptop i'm working on, so i'll brb)
[09:14] <highvoltage> janimo: i chose the ltsp installation option, yes. but this is happening on the server.
[09:14] <janimo> highvoltage: oh, maybe gdm should not be installed since ldm is the one supposed to be started
[09:15] <janimo> xubuntu-desktop has gdm and ltsp adds ldm to it
[09:15] <highvoltage> janimo: ldm should start on the thin clients, gdm should start on the server
[09:15] <janimo> highvoltage: oh, maybe ogra knows ?
[09:16] <janimo> I have no idea what it can be.
[09:16] <highvoltage> i don't know, brb.
[09:16] <Kamion> dieman: that's probably an oops, please file it on installation-guide
[09:16] <Kamion> (reckoning that chances are it's the documentation that's wrong)
[09:19] <dieman> it seems to be horking on multiline entries
[09:19] <dieman> but im testing that right now
[09:23] <highvoltage> janimo: *sigh* the thin client doesn't boot. it drops me into busybox after failing to mount the nfs share: Permission Denied
[09:24] <janimo> highvoltage: hmm, sorry. No idea what it can be  then :(
[09:25] <janimo> highvoltage: is gdm supposed to start at all on the server?
[09:27] <highvoltage> janimo: yes
[09:28] <highvoltage> janimo: ltsp-client and ltsp-client-setup is installed on the server, as far as I know, it's not supposed to be
[09:29] <highvoltage> janimo: as much as I hate to say this, you might have to remove the LTSP install option, if at all possible.
[09:29] <janimo> highvoltage: oh, are those _not_ supposed to be on the server?
[09:29] <highvoltage> oh no
[09:30] <highvoltage> janimo: it's not gdm that keeps restarting on the server, it's LDM that keeps restarting on the server :(
[09:30] <highvoltage> janimo: ldm isn't supposed to be there either, it's just supposed to go into the ltsp chroot
[09:30] <highvoltage> janimo: no, they're supposed to be installed in the ltsp chroot
[09:31] <highvoltage> the server machine is basically configured as a client and a server at the same time. :/
[09:31] <janimo> highvoltage: I got the impression that those need to be installed
[09:32] <janimo> so on the server we should have ltsp-server-standalone installed
[09:32] <highvoltage> janimo: we can hear for sure from ogra, but I am quite convinced that ldm should definitely not be installed on the server's system
[09:32] <janimo> but have ldm and ltsp-client on the CD nit not installed?
[09:33] <highvoltage> ldm and ltsp-client should be installed, but only in the installation in /opt/ltsp/<arch>
[09:33] <highvoltage> not /
[09:35] <janimo> highvoltage: it was bug 41322 that describes what I asked for that CD option
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41322 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "add LTSP server option for xubuntu install CD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41322
[09:35] <janimo> hmm, I wonder why I filed it on gfxboot
[09:36] <janimo> oh, that's just a new bug for getting it translated, I see
[09:37] <janimo> highvoltage: so from what you say, ltsp-client and ldm should have been ommitted from the install right?
[09:37] <bddebian> Stupid sleaze-bay
[09:38] <highvoltage> janimo: for the server part, yes. but on the client installation (the chroot, /opt/ltsp/i386), it should be installed
[09:38] <janimo> highvoltage: so if you connect to this server and unintstall ldm and ltsp-client and reboot should it work in theory?
[09:38] <highvoltage> janimo: for ltsp, you get two installtions on the server: the usual ubuntu one in /, and the one the thin clients boot from /opt/ltsp/<arch>
[09:38] <janimo> highvoltage: so ldm and ltsp-client still need to be apt-get installed at some point?
[09:39] <highvoltage> janimo: i think so, i can test now...
[09:39] <janimo> highvoltage: the other one happens in a chroot right?
[09:39] <cbx33> janimo, they live in the chrrot don;t they highvoltage ?
[09:39] <janimo> but still can use (uses?) the packages on the CD
[09:39] <highvoltage> janimo: yes, the ldm and ltsp-client packages needs to be installed in the 'building chroot' part
[09:39] <cbx33> well, we hope they don't live in a ch rot :p
[09:40] <highvoltage> janimo: yes, it must use the packages from the CD, so the bug was right that the packages should be on the cd
[09:40] <highvoltage> janimo: but it didn't mention where these packages should be installed. ltsp-server-standalone should be installed to the main system
[09:40] <highvoltage> and the rest to the chroot
[09:40] <bgertzfield> HiddenWolf: Thanks for the suggestion (Accessories instead of System Tools).  I used System Tools because that's where the standalone VMware Player will install itself on non-Ubuntu systems.  I think it makes sense to use the same place (whether or not there are a lot of other Ubuntu packages that go there).
[09:40] <janimo> it may have been a misunderstanding on the bug as to what is installed and what is only on the CD (ship seed)
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> bgertzfield: your call. ;)
[09:41] <janimo> highvoltage: is openssh-server required too? on theserver
[09:41] <cbx33> janimo, i believe so
[09:41] <janimo> so would  making the CD option install just the two of the 4 packages be better?
[09:42] <dholbach> janimo: so where's the release party in romania?
[09:42] <highvoltage> janimo: yes, it is. the thin clients uses ssh -X to get the desktop from the server
[09:42] <janimo> highvoltage: if you could confirm that uninstalling ldm and ltsp-client from the server improved the situation we may still fix it
[09:42] <cbx33> dholbach, is there on in the UK?
[09:42] <janimo> dholbach: I saw a mail on ubunto-ro proposing one in the capital city
[09:42] <janimo> but nothing else
[09:42] <dholbach> cbx33: I do one in Berlin :-)
[09:43] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseParties
[09:43] <janimo> dholbach: I know no ubuntu fan in the area
[09:43] <dholbach> janimo: that should be changed :-)
[09:43] <janimo> apparently people are immune to me distributing CDs to them
[09:44] <tseng> hah
[09:44] <dieman> heh
[09:44] <tseng> are there pressed xubuntu cds for dapper?
[09:44] <dieman> we've got an installfest here this weekend :)
[09:44] <dieman> i might show up
[09:44] <janimo> tseng: nope
[09:44] <infinity> Someone needs t ocome party with me in Melbourne on release day.
[09:44] <janimo> I dist ubuntu/kubuntu
[09:47] <bgertzfield> infinity: Go to bed!  ;)
[09:47] <bgertzfield> infinity: I had a bunch of folks download the vmware-player and give it a go.  Got some good feedback, no showstoppers.
[09:47] <bgertzfield> Thanks again for all your help.
[09:49] <infinity> bgertzfield: No bed for me.  Need to set up dapper-security and other fun things.
[09:53] <cbx33> highvoltage2, how goes it ?
[09:53] <bgertzfield> infinity: ...
[09:54] <highvoltage2> janimo: I can confirm that the thin client does boot up when those services are uninstalled
[09:54] <janimo> highvoltage2: good
[09:54] <janimo> let's see if it's too late to change the boot option
[09:54] <infinity> bgertzfield: No rest for the wicked, I'm afraid.  The release may be almost over, but that just means we get to think about all the things post-release. :)
[09:54] <bgertzfield> infinity: And thus the dance begins again.
[09:55] <janimo> Kamion: is it too late for a xubuntu alternate rebuild? there was a misunderstanding around bug 41322 
[09:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41322 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "add LTSP server option for xubuntu install CD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41322
[09:55] <janimo> two of the 4 packages do not have to be installed or the ltsp server will not serve
[09:56] <janimo> this requires no upload but the modification of that entry to only inlcude ltsp-server-standalone and  openssh-server
[09:56] <janimo> as seen in the scrollback
[09:57] <infinity> janimo: How's Xubuntu look other than that?  You generally happy with your release?
[09:57] <janimo> infinity: yes, besides a little cosmetic issue
[09:57] <infinity> janimo: (Not that you have much choice at this point, but it's a learning process... You'll get better at dealing with the deadlines and release crunch)
[09:58] <highvoltage> janimo: there are still some issues, although not critical. for example, the ltspenvironment shows ubuntu usplash, and a user from thin client can shut down the server
[09:58] <janimo> mixer icon is actually the office icon (I like it better than the actual mixer icon btw)
[09:58] <janimo> infinity: yup, sure I have vowed that for edgy I'll actually stick to a schedule ;)
[09:59] <janimo> highvoltage: the user can shutdwon server may be solved by using xfce's kiosk features
[09:59] <highvoltage> janimo: great.
[10:00] <janimo> highvoltage: so does this make xubuntu/ltsp install really easier? is it much different from a xubuntu workstation then apt-get install ltsp-server?
[10:01] <janimo> I think the advantage is that it is on the CD so it can install disconnected, but does not seem to go much further as out-of-the-boxness is concerned
[10:01] <dholbach> WTF?! I thought in edgy we wouldn't have a release schedule :-p
[10:01] <sladen> highvoltage: that's going to be related to the libforeground checking
[10:01] <highvoltage> janimo: this will basically be the same as an apt-get install ltsp-standalone-server on xubuntu. but users like a 'one button install'
[10:01] <janimo> dholbach: xubuntu should have one. Dapper is warty for xubuntu. So edgy will have to be the dapper
[10:01] <janimo> highvoltage: yup, agree with the one button install as well
[10:01] <highvoltage> sladen: i understand. xubuntu can show ubuntu usplash until next release. i don't think it's a trainsmash :)
[10:02] <dholbach> janimo: then you're quicker then the rest around you  :-)
[10:02] <lotusleaf> I've got a fever... and the only thing that can cure it is DAPPER!
[10:02] <dholbach> give this man his medicine! ^ :-)
[10:03] <infinity> dholbach: My edgy release schedule will be "upload as much crap as I possibly can in the first two months, triage bugs for two months, take a 3-week vacation"
[10:03] <janimo> infinity: only Kamion is spinning alternate CDs?
[10:03] <dholbach> infinity: that sounds like a perfect plan
[10:03] <lotusleaf> cbx33: keep it coming
[10:03] <lotusleaf> cbx33: i need a steady drip
[10:04] <infinity> janimo: Several of us can build them, but I'd want confirmation from him that it's still "okay" to respin Xubuntu.
[10:04] <cbx33> all for one and one for all :p
[10:04] <janimo> infinity: sure
[10:04] <infinity> janimo: Given that you're not going to be published on releases.u.c (which means you won't be mirrored by quite as many people), the damage done by respinnig your CDs might not be too bad.
[10:05] <infinity> janimo: We can't respin anyone on releases, cause releases is being mirrors all over the damn place right now.
[10:05] <janimo> was not trying to circumvent him, just planning my sleep cycle  in case he does not appear in an hour :
[10:05] <janimo> ;)
[10:05] <infinity> (pre-publishing)
[10:05] <infinity> s/being mirrors/being mirrored/
[10:05] <janimo> and that scsi disks across machines are expensive
[10:19] <lotusleaf> happy dapper eve!
[10:20] <msikma> When will Dapper officially be released?
[10:20] <AlinuxOS> lotusleaf, ;)
[10:20] <AlinuxOS> hehe
[10:20] <AlinuxOS> msikma, I hope in some hours
[10:20] <Coyctecm> msikma: tomorrow?
[10:20] <lotusleaf> msikma: /join #ubuntuforums where we wait in prayer
[10:21] <ogra> janimo, highvoltage is right, ltsp-client and friends should never be installed on the server
[10:22] <janimo> ogra, should have told me that two weeks ago ;)
[10:22] <janimo> hope it still can be fixed
[10:22] <ogra> janimo, i didnt know you would hanmdle it differnt from the edubuntu seeds
[10:22] <ogra> ldm nad ltsp-client are only in ship
[10:22] <janimo> ogra, yes there was a lot of confusion surrounding this issue
[10:23] <janimo> in no small part due to the fact that I had no clue how ltsp really works
[10:23] <janimo> now I have a faint clue
[10:25] <ogra> ltsp-server holds the scripts needed to setup and maintain ltsp and depends on the core services (nfs, tftp), ltsp-server-standalone is a metapackage that pulls in dhcpd additionally to these 
[10:26] <ogra> ltsp-client has a very clear package description i think
[10:42] <mdke> cbx33: ping?
[10:44] <cbx33> pong
[10:44] <cbx33> hi mdke what can i do ya for :p
[10:45] <mdke> cbx33: query
[10:45] <cbx33> shoot
[10:55] <sfllaw> pitti: Ping?
[10:56] <pitti> sfllaw: hello
[10:56] <sfllaw> pitti: We're missing a DVD, d-i OEM for Ubuntu PowerPC test.  Could I ask you to do a run of that?
[10:56] <sfllaw> fabbione doesn't seem to be  here.
[10:56] <sfllaw> Pretty please?
[10:57] <pitti> sfllaw: hm, sorry, it will take me 10 days to download it
[10:57] <pitti> sfllaw: I have 3 GB/week quota here
[10:57] <sfllaw> Ah.
[10:57] <sfllaw> :(
[10:57] <sfllaw> Pity.
[10:57] <pitti> jigdo will help a little, but not quite enough
[10:57] <sfllaw> Fair enough.
[10:57] <sfllaw> I'll try to catch him when he wakes up.
[10:58] <pitti> sfllaw: my bw sucks here, and once I move to another flat (in a few months, I hope), I'll watch out for a good dsl connection
[10:58] <sfllaw> That would be good.
[10:58] <sfllaw> Good DSL is a blessing.
[10:59] <pitti> sfllaw: when I moved here, I didn't care that much; it was in my 3rd uni semester, and uni had enough bw for my purposes :)
[10:59] <sfllaw> Heh.
[10:59] <pitti> sfllaw: if it helps you in any way, CD OEM on ppc went smooth as silk
[11:00] <AlinuxOS> pitti, 1&1
[11:00] <pitti> AlinuxOS: ?
[11:00] <AlinuxOS> internet provider.
[11:00] <pitti> AlinuxOS: if you refer to the telecommunication provider: ENODSLHERE
[11:01] <pitti> AlinuxOS: I'm hanging on a cascade of WLANs tied to 4 central SDSL lines, called 'citizen net'
[11:01] <AlinuxOS> ah
[11:01] <AlinuxOS> great...
[11:01] <pitti> AlinuxOS: ~ 1000 people share these 4 big pipes, so they have to impose a quota
[11:01] <AlinuxOS> so no need of phone.
[11:01] <AlinuxOS> ah undertand :D
[11:02] <pitti> AlinuxOS: the irony is that we have the world's most modern telephone network and not able to provide a fast internet connection through them to the end user
[11:02] <AlinuxOS> pitti, TESTING TESTIN TESTING ?:)
[11:02] <pitti> AlinuxOS: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current, I did all I could :)
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> pitti, yes + Telecom's 15 Euro
[11:03] <pitti> If I see one more d-i today, I'll start crying
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> :D
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> I've tested 4-5 hours ago..
[11:03] <AlinuxOS> no problems here :)
[11:03] <infinity> pitti: Blue's not your favourite colour?
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: stop confusing me any further
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: if you refer to that ML thread, I didn't read it
[11:04] <pitti> infinity: oh, I understand. nevermind :)
[11:05] <pitti> (as it happens, blue *is* my favourite color :) )
[11:05] <AlinuxOS> but, I really like Humans colord :)
[11:05] <AlinuxOS> woddy/orange color :)
[11:05] <infinity> pitti: Dude, have you completely lost your mind?  What thread? :)
[11:05] <mdke> sounder thread
[11:06] <pitti> infinity: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-May/007069.html
[11:07] <infinity> We're going to ADD a question to the installer for the sake of themeing?
[11:07] <infinity> LIES.
[11:07] <mdke> i find it unlikely
[11:07] <infinity> Also, I rather like the brown.
[11:07] <infinity> I'm totally down with the brown.
[11:07] <mdke> but it may be one to add to the mass-rugby-tackle-sabdfl spec
[11:08] <jdub> branding > installer questions!
[11:08] <crimsun> sorry, but baby jebus is weeping here
[11:08] <jdub> ha ha
[11:08] <infinity> jdub: Whoah, where'd you come from?  Do you have "down with the brown" on nick hilight? :)
[11:08] <mdke> lol
[11:08] <jdub> crimsun: perhaps we should just say "BJC" in these kinds of circumstances
[11:09] <jdub> crimsun: add it to the project lingo
[11:09] <crimsun> mm yes
 *crack*
[11:09] <_ion> It would be a good idea to also add the question "would you like me to install an Atari ST emulator?" to the installer.
[11:09] <iwj> mdz: (if you're still there)  Yes; I'm filling them in the table.
 ... BJC
[11:10] <thom> _ion: no dude, everyone wants ST love by default
[11:10] <thom> even the amiga weenies who don't know that they do
[11:10] <LaserJock> hmm what about "Would you like me to make you a latte while the install progresses?"
[11:11] <jdub> we should just boot into hercules
[11:11] <_ion> Well, the fact that Atari suxor and Amiga rules _was_ the joke in that line. ;-)
[11:12] <infinity> thom: Hey, watch it, I'm an Amiga weenie.
[11:12] <Burgwork> _ion, dude, there are more private places for that ;)
[11:12] <mdke> ah, the pre release tension
[11:13] <thom> infinity: i know :-)
[11:14] <tritium> mjg59: I see you asked about the drive earlier.  Here are some details: http://linux.spiney.org/debian_gnu_linux_on_an_ibm_thinkpad_t43p_harddisk
[11:17] <sladen> tritium: it turns out those bridges are buggy.  IBM have actually patched the firmware on the IDE drives they've shipped with the machines...
[11:18] <sladen> tritium: I hit it today when I popped in another HDD to do some testing ...Bingo:  1020: Your harddrive does not have suitable firmware.  Please remove it.
[11:18] <tritium> sladen: yeah, I've definitely noticed the bugginess.  I get bus errors on resume.
[11:19] <tritium> wow
[11:19] <sladen> tritium: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_non-ThinkPad_hard_disks
[11:19] <mdke> tritium: doesn't everyone have errors on resume?
[11:19] <mdke> I'm full of em
[11:20] <tritium> sladen: ooh, thanks.  I'll check.
[11:20] <sladen> mdke: hope not.  what's your machine?
[11:20] <tritium> mdke: this is the first machine I've seen bus errors on resume with
[11:21] <mdke> sladen: a T43, without the p.
[11:21] <sladen> mdke: and more to the point, what's the bug-number you filed?  ;-)
[11:21] <mdke> sladen: I'll dig it out
[11:21] <sladen> mdke: lucky you, me and tritium.  See the page above too
[11:21] <mdke> sladen: with breezy I didn't have any errors
[11:22] <sladen> mdke: that's called a regressions then.  All the more reason for filing a bug report!
[11:22] <mdke> sladen: dude, stop insinuating I didn't file one ;)
[11:22] <mdke> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source/+bug/39449
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39449 in linux-source "Error messages "over-current change on port 1"" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:23] <fabbione> that's not a regression
[11:23] <crimsun> that was in hoary and breezy.
[11:23] <fabbione> the overcurrent message is in the USB specs
[11:23] <fabbione> if you didn't get it before is because the kernel was not 100% compliant to the specs
[11:23] <tritium> that's good info.  Thanks again, sladen 
[11:23] <mdke> I didn't say it was, I just said I didn't see them resuming
[11:24] <fabbione> usuall that error comes out only on first connect of the device
[11:24] <fabbione> not if it's already connected
[11:24] <fabbione> phisically'
[11:24] <mdke> it's usb? I think I've seen it when I haven't been using usb
[11:24] <mdke> i'll have to check
[11:25] <mdke> so that's a dupe I take it?
[11:25] <fabbione> rejected
[11:25] <fabbione> it's not a bug
[11:26] <mdke> well, the feedback when resuming is a bug, although probably not that one
[11:26] <fabbione> another user reported it in hoary
[11:26] <iwj> Riddell: do you have an opinion about bug 47780 (just filed) ?
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47780 in Ubuntu "example odt does not open after kubuntu breezy -> dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47780
[11:26] <fabbione> and i had to dig into the USB hw specs to understand where the hell it was coming from
[11:27] <mdke> fabbione: lucky you were here now, thanks
[11:27] <fabbione> mdke: basically, if you get that errror, stop buying cheap hw
[11:27] <mdke> fabbione: it was free from your employer
[11:27] <fabbione> not the host
[11:27] <mdke> how could I refuse
[11:27] <fabbione> the devices you plug to it
[11:28] <mdke> ipod/camera
[11:28] <fabbione> that error is basically generated when a plugged device return too much current on the port
[11:28] <mdke> ah, could be the usb mouse actually
[11:28] <mdke> that was cheap
[11:28] <fabbione> whatever is connected on port 1
[11:29] <fabbione> the host doesn't suffer of the issue
[11:29] <fabbione> the host detects the issu in the plugged device
[11:29] <fabbione> mdke: goggle for that error and adds USB hardware specification
[11:29] <fabbione> there are even hw schemas with examples
[11:30] <mdke> ok, thanks
[11:30] <mdke> anyhow, recently I've been getting loads of feedback on resume, not just that
[11:32] <tritium> hi sivang 
[11:32] <sivang> Is it know that the desktop-cd takes ages to boot / load ?
[11:32] <sivang> (I already tested the live cd, and everything else on the graphical boot menu that did not require installation)
[11:35] <sivang> the boot and setup phase took much longer then it did for the breezy live cd)
[11:36] <sladen> seb128: none.  just crossing it off the list of bugs I had
[11:36] <seb128> "none" to what?
[11:38] <sladen> seb128: "what is the interest of the new comment?" in 34492
[11:38] <seb128> ah ok
[11:38] <seb128> yeah, it looked like a "I insist on my bug being a priority" comment
[11:39] <seb128> which is a sort of comment we don't really need, especially if the bug has been acknowledged and forwarded upstream
[11:40] <desrt> malone #34492
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34492 in gnome-utils "keybindings-properties: DoS by screenshot" [Unknown,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/34492
[11:42] <sivang> seb128: in any event we are not going to fix anything like that now, only for updates right?
[11:43] <seb128> sivang: we are not fixing anything now, CD are rolled and will probably not be rolled again
[11:45] <mako> Burgwork: you around?
[11:45] <sivang> seb128: cool, would it make sense to give more testing now?
[11:45] <sivang> (cd testing, that is)
[11:45] <mako> Burgwork: we should talk here.. i have only a little bit of time left on this net connection :)
[11:45] <ajmitch> morning all
[11:45] <seb128> sivang: cd testing are always useful
[11:46] <sivang> seb128: k
[11:49] <janimo> Kamion, as there's no final xubuntu release yet on cdimage, I hope it's not too late to rebuild xubuntu alternate. last comment on bug 41322. thanks
[11:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41322 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu "add LTSP server option for xubuntu install CD" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/41322
[11:51] <janimo> back in the morning
[11:56] <pitti_> wb mdz
[11:56] <pitti_> mdz: reappearing at midnight for an early release? :)
[11:57] <doko_> pitti_: yesterday that was the time where "MiniBar" was called ;)
[11:57] <mdz> pitti_: just checking that all is quiet on the battle front before I sleep
[11:58] <pitti_> mdz: did you hear about any major breakages today?
[11:58] <pitti_> doko_: mmm, DrinkingBoF
[11:59] <mdz> BenC: I got a kIrDAd panic during my last boot
[11:59] <mdz> pitti_: none
[12:00] <kermitX_> hey guys. i just tried removing the xubuntu-desktop meta package via aptitude, and it automatically selected it's "contents" for removal -- it didn't used to do that.
[12:00] <pitti_> mdz: \o/ it worked surprisingly smooth for me, too
[12:00] <BenC> mdz: There's a bug report about it aswell, not on boot, but related to usage on some oddball case
[12:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, please use #ubuntu for support
[12:00] <kermitX_> seveas: this is not a devel issue? something changed on "your end" regarding this.
[12:00] <BenC> mdz: were you booting from a suspend?
[12:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, aptitude has always done that
[12:00] <pitti_> kermitX_: see #ubuntu, I answered
[12:00] <kermitX_> seveas: NO it has not.
[12:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, and for bugs there is the bugtracker
[12:01] <mdz> BenC: no, from a cold start (my first in a while)
[12:01] <mdz> BenC: the boot continued OK from there, though usplash timed out
[12:01] <BenC> mdz: Are you using irda in any way?
[12:01] <mdz> BenC: nope
[12:01] <BenC> maybe you had your tv remote aimed at it or something :)
[12:02] <mdz> BenC: my trace looks like the one in bug #46947
[12:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46947 in linux-source-2.6.15 "Oops with IrDA in 2.6.15-23-686" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46947
[12:02] <infinity> kermitX_: If you installed xubuntu-desktop via aptitude, it will, by default, record its dependencies as being "indirectly requested", and mark them for removal when nothing "directly requested" depends on them anymore.
[12:02] <infinity> kermitX_: This is aptitude behaviour you can disable, but it's always been like that.
[12:02] <mdz> BenC: exactly the same eip in fact