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Seveas@now02:14
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: May 31 2006, 00:14:48 - Next meeting: Edubuntu  in 11 hours02:14
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Klaidas@schedule VIlnius12:30
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Vilnius: 31 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 May 16:30: Xubuntu | 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 16:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 23:00: Edubuntu12:30
Seveas@now shanghai12:31
UbugtuCurrent time in Asia/Shanghai: May 31 2006, 18:31:58 - Next meeting: Edubuntu  in 1 hours12:31
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GNAM@schedule Rome12:34
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 31 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu12:34
simirauh... isn't it cc today?12:38
Mithrandirwas yesterday12:38
Klaidasyup :)12:38
simiraah, of course. I am just a bit behind. 12:38
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 31 May 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 06 Jun 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 06 Jun 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu
highvoltagelog-test01:53
HedgeMage:)01:53
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flintJaneW, Good morning.  I am getting on a Jet to DC in a few minutes.  Thus I will miss the balance of this meeting.01:57
highvoltageflint: good afternoon, mr flint01:57
flinthighvoltage, how are you doing Jonathan?01:58
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LaserJockmeeting?01:58
flintedubuntu...01:58
jsgotangco:D01:58
LaserJockawesome01:58
HedgeMagehi LaserJock 01:59
LaserJockholy cow, why are you here HedgeMage?01:59
JaneWhi flint01:59
JaneWLaserJock: for our edubuntu meeting02:00
flintJaneW, wish me luck kiddo... i am outa here see you next meeting...02:00
highvoltageflint: i'm doing well thanks. lots of deadlines keeping me on the edge of my seat, but i'm very excited about dapper's release :)02:00
HedgeMageLaserJock: silly boy :P02:00
JaneW2 mins02:01
JaneW**Reminder** Edubuntu Meeting here in 2 mins02:01
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JaneWhi all02:03
highvoltagehi JaneW 02:03
GrumpyPianoHey02:03
JaneWso it;s the day before the release02:04
GrumpyPianoMhmm cant wait :D02:04
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JaneWwho has updates?02:04
ograjust a word about the CD02:05
HedgeMageHmmm... I don't see pygi so I could update on Cookbook I guess.02:05
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JaneWogra: go02:05
ograedubuntu live is gold for all arches and wont change anymore from the 20060531 iso02:05
ajmitchexcellent :)02:05
jsgotangco\o/02:05
JaneWok02:05
JaneWogra: more testing needed?02:06
highvoltagewhohoo!02:06
JaneWwell done ogra :)02:06
azeemogra: congrats02:06
HedgeMage:)02:06
HedgeMageogra: good job!02:06
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highvoltageogra: so edubuntu is the first to get to release point? ogra you deserve a medal :)02:06
ograedubuntu install 20060530.2 which i tested through this night was good as well, there was a minor bugfix which caused a 20060531 iso which needs new testing (but i expect no regressions)02:06
JaneWeveryone who is going to paris please buy ogra a drink for me!02:06
HedgeMage:D and one for me 02:07
jsgotangcono he needs a game of bliss after this02:07
HedgeMagehehe02:07
jsgotangco;D02:07
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HedgeMagehi jeffwaddell 02:07
ograedubuntu dvd is problematic, i just finished the tests of the complete set but was offline most of the morning so i didnt know there are new isos (since 30min)02:07
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=== jeffwaddell grumbes about not being that comfortable in Xchat
JaneWjsgotangco: with you?02:08
LaserJockjeffwaddell: no irssi?02:08
highvoltageogra: what's the problem with the dvd's?02:08
ograduring the night i could rsync a dvd in 11mins ... te ETA on the current one is 5.3h02:08
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highvoltageouch :(02:08
ograwhich makes 15h for 3 arches02:08
HedgeMageouch.02:08
JaneWogra: and are the CD sizes ok now?02:08
jsgotangcoeww02:08
LaserJockogra: they really should get a mirror that isn't advertised for devs or something02:09
jeffwaddellLaserJock, Xchat is on this ubuntu (yeah!!!) box, don't know if irssi is but know that BitchX is not02:09
ograJaneW, we wouldnt be able to release if there were breakages 02:09
LaserJockjeffwaddell: irssi is on by default02:09
JaneWogra: true02:09
ograand we certainly will release all flavors for all arches ;)02:09
JaneWogra: does mdz have to 'sign off' or something?02:09
JaneWogra: great02:09
ograat least thats how it looks atm02:09
ograif i dont fall asleep before i have tested everything ;)02:10
jeffwaddellLaserJock, I see that is...having never used it before I wonder if it's more comfortable than xchat02:10
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JaneWogra: you feeling finished?02:10
JaneWogra: I hope you aren;t ill too?02:11
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JaneWjeffwaddell: can you discuss that elsewhere please?02:11
jeffwaddelljanew, yep02:11
JaneWogra: you can crash after you party02:11
JaneWpr before if you really have to02:11
JaneWogra: I think you have done GREAT this cycle02:11
JaneWthank-you02:11
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ograi'm not done yet02:11
ograsend your congrats tomorrow after the release 02:12
ograoh, btw if someone could prepare a release announcement, that would rock02:12
HedgeMageI could do that I think... just a little "here it is" sort of thing?  how long?02:13
JaneWjsgotangco: ..?^^^02:13
JaneWogra: are we announcing them all together?02:13
ograthere is surely a template of the ubuntu one on the wiki02:13
JaneWHedgeMage: thanks02:13
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jsgotangcoogra: i thought we're announcing them all at the same time???02:13
HedgeMagecool, np02:13
highvoltagehow about updating the previous release announcement?02:14
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HedgeMageonce it's done, where am I putting it?02:14
HedgeMagehighvoltage: good idea ;)02:14
jsgotangcoHedgeMage: if you can please do, if not, please ping me immediately about it and i could do a 10 minute job again02:15
ograi dont think so for the final announcement02:15
ograhighvoltage, the *release* announcement should list all new features over breezy02:15
ograits not like a flight announcement 02:15
=== JaneW is looking for an ubuntu announcement
HedgeMageahh okay02:15
jsgotangcoJaneW: try lwn02:15
ograim pretty sure mgalvin is somehow involved in the ubuntu announcement02:15
=== HedgeMage listens and learns and gets ready to write
highvoltageogra: i wasn't talking about a flight announcement, i was suggesting using the previous release announcement as a template02:15
ograthe breezy one ? 02:15
ograno that wasnt very good :)02:15
highvoltageok02:16
jsgotangcothat was a 5 minute job heh02:16
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HedgeMagelol02:16
HedgeMagewell, I have given up on sleep, so I have between now and whenever TT wakes to do it02:16
ograyeah, and worse, it looks like one :)02:16
HedgeMagebrb02:16
highvoltagejsgotangco: please start your 10 minute job, if you have 10 minutes now. even if HedgeMage does it. then we can combine the best of the two?02:16
highvoltagethis was the old one: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement02:17
jsgotangcosure i have some of the technical improvements on paper somewhere02:17
=== jsgotangco starts digging at his pile
LaserJockthere were technical improvments in Dapper? ;-) j/k02:18
ograthe technical improvements were all in the flight announcements02:18
=== JaneW can't find anything
highvoltageLaserJock: just look at the changelog for ltsp alone ;)02:18
jsgotangcoLaserJock: lots in LTSP02:18
ograjsgotangco, i merged you a list iirc02:18
jsgotangcoyeah i have it02:18
ograand mailed it a while ago02:18
=== jsgotangco has it now
JaneWyikes look at this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes02:19
JaneW"Ubuntu is a Linux distribution aimed for educators to easily deploy and maintain a learning environment" ...??02:20
jsgotangcoJaneW: that seems to be stale lately02:20
jsgotangcooriginal doc i wrote is BreezyReleaseNotes02:20
JaneWjsgotangco: but Ubuntu is not specifically for educators at all02:20
highvoltageon system requirements, requirements for "LTSP Server" would also be great02:20
HedgeMageback02:20
jsgotangcoit is probably something i wrote without thinking02:21
JaneWok02:21
JaneWbut punting of edubuntu is always good02:21
HedgeMagejsgotangco: can you toss me that list please?02:21
JaneWsubliminal advertising02:21
jsgotangcoHedgeMage: email?02:21
ograhighvoltage, the ones from the CD cover02:22
HedgeMagejsgotangco: hedgemage@binaryredneck.net02:22
jsgotangcocool02:22
highvoltageogra: there are ltsp requirements on the CD cover?02:22
ograyes02:22
highvoltageogra: i haven't seen a cd cover for dapper yet. are they public?02:22
ograargh, amd64 install failed ...02:22
LaserJock:(02:23
JaneWhighvoltage: yes02:23
JaneWin DiyMarketing02:23
jsgotangcoHedgeMage: you can look at this too http://lwn.net/Articles/155632/02:24
JaneWhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing02:24
HedgeMagejsgotangco: thanks02:24
JaneWhighvoltage: they are quite nice (if you use a proper pdf viewer)02:24
=== jsgotangco haven't seen the covers either
highvoltage(docteam) http://help.ubuntu.com/quicktour/C/quicktour.html lists a screenshot of ltsp.org's website next to LTSP02:26
jsgotangcohey these are old models02:26
highvoltageyeah, ignore that for now, I'll bring the page up in ubuntu-doc later02:26
JaneWbtw guys I have not heard back from Chrsi Coldwell yet (re that Edubuntu Install Video)02:27
JaneWsorry I meant Chris02:28
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jsgotangcois it required atm?02:30
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highvoltagemeeting still going? :)02:32
JaneWjsgotangco: well we wanted it on the site02:32
JaneWlast week it was one of my actions to follow it up02:32
HedgeMagehighvoltage: yep02:32
highvoltageJaneW: it can still go on. we're not bound to release cycles for website updates02:32
JaneWhighvoltage: yes02:32
JaneWhighvoltage: although it will be a breezy install02:32
highvoltageJaneW: although, it would be nice to have it on there asap when people start installing dapper, i see what you mean02:33
JaneWhow different is that02:33
JaneW*blush* that I don't know02:33
JaneWhighvoltage: ed zachary02:33
JaneWhighvoltage: aka exactly02:33
highvoltagemore or less the same. it's just minor changes as far as i can tell, unless they're using espresso02:33
JaneWubiquity I tihnk it called now02:33
highvoltagewhich is only applicable if they install from livecd02:33
jsgotangcobrb02:33
JaneWyuk02:33
highvoltageaaah, so that's what ubiquity is.02:34
jsgotangcowhere were you?02:34
highvoltagejsgotangco: i wish you could spend the last month or so in our office and see for yourself.02:35
jsgotangcoheh02:35
highvoltagejsgotangco: i've seen a bit of the buzz about ubiquity, but didn't realise what it was about.02:35
jsgotangcoit actually works nice02:35
jsgotangcoalthough i only tried it with kubuntu02:35
LaserJockthey only thing I've had problems with is partitioning02:36
jsgotangcoit actually went fine with me on RC02:36
HedgeMagejsgotangco: got your email, thank you :)02:36
HedgeMageJaneW: I'm sorry, but if you answered me, I missed it -- What should I do with my release announcement draft once it's written?02:37
ograHedgeMage, put it on the wiki for review02:38
JaneWHedgeMage: um, place it on the wiki02:38
JaneWogra will most likely get the honour of sending it02:38
HedgeMageokay, will do, anyplace special or just make sure it's easy to find?02:38
JaneWHedgeMage: also ogra will need to add technical details 02:38
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jsgotangco\o/02:39
JaneWHedgeMage: um, how about https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement02:39
HedgeMage:)02:39
HedgeMagegot it02:39
JaneWpage created02:41
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HedgeMage:)02:42
HedgeMageworking on it now02:42
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TiganSanHello, this is my first time joining an ubuntu meeting.  Is the meeting still goingon or did I miss it?02:45
highvoltageTiganSan: still going02:46
HedgeMageTiganSan: It's still going on, but appears to be winding down :)02:46
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HedgeMageat least, people are getting quiet :)02:47
TiganSanSo I see. That's ok.  Now that I know how to join the meeting, I try to be on time02:47
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LaserJockwell, it is 0500 here some I'm bound to fall asleep at some point ;-)02:48
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HedgeMageLaserJock: about 6am here, I'm wondering whether or not I'll sneak in a nap before TT wakes.02:48
HedgeMageTiganSan: :)02:49
HedgeMageI think there's an Xubuntu meeting in an hour or so if you care to wait around.02:49
LaserJockoh yeah, it's almost 6 here, my brain isn't working yet02:49
JaneWany cookbook update?02:49
TiganSanWell, I am dialing in from USA-East Cost time so I am just wide awake>-D02:49
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LaserJockyeah, are there anymore items we need to cover?02:50
highvoltageJaneW: eating before a meeting is not a good idea ;)02:50
HedgeMageJaneW: We have more material up, and active proofing going on.02:50
JaneWhighvoltage: this I have just found out02:50
JaneWhighvoltage: I feel drugged02:50
HedgeMageJaneW: I think we'll have a good first cookbook for Dapper and an incredible second one for Edgy, now that we have ourselves in order.02:50
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JaneWHedgeMage: excellent, i am so glad it has direction now :))02:51
HedgeMage:D02:51
=== JaneW wants to go read it
highvoltageanything else on the meeting agenda? when is the next EC edubuntu meeting?02:51
HedgeMageJaneW: Go for it.  I'm still transcribing a couple of my bits from handwritten notes... got stuck in an airport for many hours over the weekend without my laptop.02:51
HedgeMagehighvoltage: next week, I think.02:52
JaneWHedgeMage: URL?02:52
HedgeMageJaneW: I'm doing the release draft, sleeping (I hope) then hitting cookbook again02:52
JaneWHedgeMage: wiki/cookbook?02:52
JaneWHedgeMage: you are a star!02:52
HedgeMageJaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters02:52
LaserJockhighvoltage: next week, later time, and is time for new members, I think02:53
highvoltageLaserJock: great02:53
HedgeMageJaneW: I'd actually like to see the old cookbook stuff (that never really went anywhere except as an impetus for the new) to be relocated or deleted eventually... it seems an easy way to confuse people02:53
JaneWHedgeMage: if it is redundant already point the pages out to highvoltage and he can kill them02:54
JaneWhe likes doing that02:54
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highvoltagemhuhahahaha02:54
JaneWsee^^?02:54
HedgeMageJaneW: awesome, will do... after I sleep :P02:56
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highvoltagesmiting? what's that? (highvoltage's engrish isn't that good)02:57
HedgeMagehighvoltage: destroying in a godly manner02:58
highvoltageoooh, i like that word.02:58
HedgeMagewith super powers and such02:58
HedgeMage:)02:58
JaneWhighvoltage: smite:    1.02:58
JaneW         1. To inflict a heavy blow on, with or as if with the hand, a tool, or a weapon.02:58
JaneW         2. To drive or strike (a weapon, for example) forcefully onto or into something else.02:58
JaneW   2. To attack, damage, or destroy by or as if by blows.02:58
JaneW   3.02:58
JaneW         1. To afflict: The population was smitten by the plague.02:58
JaneW         2. To afflict retributively; chasten or chastise.02:58
JaneW   4. To affect sharply with great feeling: He was smitten by deep remorse.02:58
JaneWis this meeting over?02:58
ajmitchheh02:59
HedgeMageI think so02:59
highvoltagei take it that this meeting is smited?02:59
HedgeMageIf that was a motion, I second it :P02:59
highvoltagegreat. ---->  #edubuntu02:59
JaneWsorry it was rather discombobulated02:59
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HedgeMagerofl03:00
LaserJocklol03:00
JaneWpoor cbx3303:00
JaneWhaving to minute that ;)03:00
HedgeMageBTW, am I sending logs to Pete or is someone else? I seem to remember him asking at least 4 people...03:00
ajmitchJaneW: so SoC stuff, nothing special you require from us slav^Wstudents apart from the spec? :)03:00
JaneWajmitch: LOL03:00
Mithrandirajmitch: we require HARD WORK.03:01
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ajmitchMithrandir: of course03:01
JaneWajmitch: is your spec finalised?03:01
ajmitchnah, still a couple of things in the proposal that aren't listed in the spec :)03:01
JaneWajmitch: you and mentor just have to stay in touch, and you need a clear spec so that it;s easy to judge if you have completed successful or not...03:01
ajmitchwell my mentor just demanded hard work, so I think that's possible03:02
JaneWajmitch: listen to him :P03:02
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sivanghehe03:02
JaneWajmitch: and he seems to be watching you ;)03:03
ajmitchI can see that :)03:03
sivangcan I have some whipping myself ? :p03:03
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JaneWjeffwaddell: I always carry backups03:04
jeffwaddell:)03:05
JaneWjeffwaddell: and I need to start farming out my power03:05
=== jsgotangco knows what to ask from JaneW
JaneWok Edubuntu folk back to #Edubuntu NOW03:06
=== jeffwaddell had heard of organic farming, and now there's power farming...
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JaneWhey one person listened :)03:06
HedgeMagelol03:07
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Xubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 06 Jun 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 06 Jun 21:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 13:30 UTC: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu
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Synergy6Hmm, busy meeting04:02
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Linuturk_NBAgenda?05:05
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Linuturk_NBwell, i've got a question. in 5.10, some of the menu's items didn't do anything. (namely the File Manager) Is this looking better in 6.06?05:07
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Linuturk_NBok, i guess I have no idea how these meetings work05:16
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Seveas@now05:43
UbugtuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: May 31 2006, 15:43:46 - Next meeting: Technical Board  in 6 days05:43
Synergy6Strange meetings system05:50
Seveaswhat's strange about it? 05:52
kermitX_there was none?05:52
=== ogra was wondering that too
Seveasprobably no xubuntu people found it neccessary, but they forgot to cancel05:53
ograthey likely forgot to notify the fridge05:53
Synergy6What was strange about in meeting in which nobody met?05:53
Synergy6*about a05:53
Synergy6Kinda self-explanatory :)05:53
kermitX_wish my business meetings were as quiet as this one was. ;)05:53
ograwell, you complained about the system :)05:54
Synergy6I thought a system would ensure that somebody would meet05:55
Synergy6Hard to know whether this means that xubuntu is so perfect no issues need discussed, or dev participation is low05:55
ograheh, usually thats the case, but with a release on the next day somehow everybody pretends to be busy 05:56
Synergy6Is the final going to be xfce 4.2 final or 4.4 cvs?05:56
kermitX_my question was whether 4.4 final would make it in as an update.05:56
ograthat'd be a question you'd best ask the people that just havent met :)05:58
Synergy6True05:59
Synergy6Does 4.4 have a release date or when it's done?05:59
SeveaskermitX_, #xubuntu06:00
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