[02:14] <Seveas> @now
[02:14] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: May 31 2006, 00:14:48 - Next meeting: Edubuntu  in 11 hours
[12:30] <Klaidas> @schedule VIlnius
[12:30] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Vilnius: 31 May 15:00: Edubuntu | 31 May 16:30: Xubuntu | 06 Jun 23:00: Technical Board | 07 Jun 00:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 16:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 23:00: Edubuntu
[12:31] <Seveas> @now shanghai
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Shanghai: May 31 2006, 18:31:58 - Next meeting: Edubuntu  in 1 hours
[12:34] <GNAM> @schedule Rome
[12:34] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Rome: 31 May 14:00: Edubuntu | 31 May 15:30: Xubuntu | 06 Jun 22:00: Technical Board | 06 Jun 23:00: Kubuntu | 07 Jun 15:30: Xubuntu | 07 Jun 22:00: Edubuntu
[12:38] <simira> uh... isn't it cc today?
[12:38] <Mithrandir> was yesterday
[12:38] <Klaidas> yup :)
[12:38] <simira> ah, of course. I am just a bit behind. 
[01:53] <highvoltage> log-test
[01:53] <HedgeMage> :)
[01:57] <flint> JaneW, Good morning.  I am getting on a Jet to DC in a few minutes.  Thus I will miss the balance of this meeting.
[01:57] <highvoltage> flint: good afternoon, mr flint
[01:58] <flint> highvoltage, how are you doing Jonathan?
[01:58] <LaserJock> meeting?
[01:58] <flint> edubuntu...
[01:58] <jsgotangco> :D
[01:58] <LaserJock> awesome
[01:59] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock 
[01:59] <LaserJock> holy cow, why are you here HedgeMage?
[01:59] <JaneW> hi flint
[02:00] <JaneW> LaserJock: for our edubuntu meeting
[02:00] <flint> JaneW, wish me luck kiddo... i am outa here see you next meeting...
[02:00] <highvoltage> flint: i'm doing well thanks. lots of deadlines keeping me on the edge of my seat, but i'm very excited about dapper's release :)
[02:00] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: silly boy :P
[02:01] <JaneW> 2 mins
[02:01] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Meeting here in 2 mins
[02:03] <JaneW> hi all
[02:03] <highvoltage> hi JaneW 
[02:03] <GrumpyPiano> Hey
[02:04] <JaneW> so it;s the day before the release
[02:04] <GrumpyPiano> Mhmm cant wait :D
[02:04] <JaneW> who has updates?
[02:05] <ogra> just a word about the CD
[02:05] <HedgeMage> Hmmm... I don't see pygi so I could update on Cookbook I guess.
[02:05] <JaneW> ogra: go
[02:05] <ogra> edubuntu live is gold for all arches and wont change anymore from the 20060531 iso
[02:05] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[02:05] <jsgotangco> \o/
[02:05] <JaneW> ok
[02:06] <JaneW> ogra: more testing needed?
[02:06] <highvoltage> whohoo!
[02:06] <JaneW> well done ogra :)
[02:06] <azeem> ogra: congrats
[02:06] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:06] <HedgeMage> ogra: good job!
[02:06] <highvoltage> ogra: so edubuntu is the first to get to release point? ogra you deserve a medal :)
[02:06] <ogra> edubuntu install 20060530.2 which i tested through this night was good as well, there was a minor bugfix which caused a 20060531 iso which needs new testing (but i expect no regressions)
[02:06] <JaneW> everyone who is going to paris please buy ogra a drink for me!
[02:07] <HedgeMage> :D and one for me 
[02:07] <jsgotangco> no he needs a game of bliss after this
[02:07] <HedgeMage> hehe
[02:07] <jsgotangco> ;D
[02:07] <HedgeMage> hi jeffwaddell 
[02:07] <ogra> edubuntu dvd is problematic, i just finished the tests of the complete set but was offline most of the morning so i didnt know there are new isos (since 30min)
[02:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: with you?
[02:08] <LaserJock> jeffwaddell: no irssi?
[02:08] <highvoltage> ogra: what's the problem with the dvd's?
[02:08] <ogra> during the night i could rsync a dvd in 11mins ... te ETA on the current one is 5.3h
[02:08] <highvoltage> ouch :(
[02:08] <ogra> which makes 15h for 3 arches
[02:08] <HedgeMage> ouch.
[02:08] <JaneW> ogra: and are the CD sizes ok now?
[02:08] <jsgotangco> eww
[02:09] <LaserJock> ogra: they really should get a mirror that isn't advertised for devs or something
[02:09] <jeffwaddell> LaserJock, Xchat is on this ubuntu (yeah!!!) box, don't know if irssi is but know that BitchX is not
[02:09] <ogra> JaneW, we wouldnt be able to release if there were breakages 
[02:09] <LaserJock> jeffwaddell: irssi is on by default
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: true
[02:09] <ogra> and we certainly will release all flavors for all arches ;)
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: does mdz have to 'sign off' or something?
[02:09] <JaneW> ogra: great
[02:09] <ogra> at least thats how it looks atm
[02:10] <ogra> if i dont fall asleep before i have tested everything ;)
[02:10] <jeffwaddell> LaserJock, I see that is...having never used it before I wonder if it's more comfortable than xchat
[02:10] <JaneW> ogra: you feeling finished?
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: I hope you aren;t ill too?
[02:11] <JaneW> jeffwaddell: can you discuss that elsewhere please?
[02:11] <jeffwaddell> janew, yep
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: you can crash after you party
[02:11] <JaneW> pr before if you really have to
[02:11] <JaneW> ogra: I think you have done GREAT this cycle
[02:11] <JaneW> thank-you
[02:11] <ogra> i'm not done yet
[02:12] <ogra> send your congrats tomorrow after the release 
[02:12] <ogra> oh, btw if someone could prepare a release announcement, that would rock
[02:13] <HedgeMage> I could do that I think... just a little "here it is" sort of thing?  how long?
[02:13] <JaneW> jsgotangco: ..?^^^
[02:13] <JaneW> ogra: are we announcing them all together?
[02:13] <ogra> there is surely a template of the ubuntu one on the wiki
[02:13] <JaneW> HedgeMage: thanks
[02:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: i thought we're announcing them all at the same time???
[02:13] <HedgeMage> cool, np
[02:14] <highvoltage> how about updating the previous release announcement?
[02:14] <HedgeMage> once it's done, where am I putting it?
[02:14] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: good idea ;)
[02:15] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: if you can please do, if not, please ping me immediately about it and i could do a 10 minute job again
[02:15] <ogra> i dont think so for the final announcement
[02:15] <ogra> highvoltage, the *release* announcement should list all new features over breezy
[02:15] <ogra> its not like a flight announcement 
[02:15] <HedgeMage> ahh okay
[02:15] <jsgotangco> JaneW: try lwn
[02:15] <ogra> im pretty sure mgalvin is somehow involved in the ubuntu announcement
[02:15] <highvoltage> ogra: i wasn't talking about a flight announcement, i was suggesting using the previous release announcement as a template
[02:15] <ogra> the breezy one ? 
[02:15] <ogra> no that wasnt very good :)
[02:16] <highvoltage> ok
[02:16] <jsgotangco> that was a 5 minute job heh
[02:16] <HedgeMage> lol
[02:16] <HedgeMage> well, I have given up on sleep, so I have between now and whenever TT wakes to do it
[02:16] <ogra> yeah, and worse, it looks like one :)
[02:16] <HedgeMage> brb
[02:16] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: please start your 10 minute job, if you have 10 minutes now. even if HedgeMage does it. then we can combine the best of the two?
[02:17] <highvoltage> this was the old one: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuReleaseAnnouncement
[02:17] <jsgotangco> sure i have some of the technical improvements on paper somewhere
[02:18] <LaserJock> there were technical improvments in Dapper? ;-) j/k
[02:18] <ogra> the technical improvements were all in the flight announcements
[02:18] <highvoltage> LaserJock: just look at the changelog for ltsp alone ;)
[02:18] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: lots in LTSP
[02:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, i merged you a list iirc
[02:18] <jsgotangco> yeah i have it
[02:18] <ogra> and mailed it a while ago
[02:19] <JaneW> yikes look at this... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes
[02:20] <JaneW> "Ubuntu is a Linux distribution aimed for educators to easily deploy and maintain a learning environment" ...??
[02:20] <jsgotangco> JaneW: that seems to be stale lately
[02:20] <jsgotangco> original doc i wrote is BreezyReleaseNotes
[02:20] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but Ubuntu is not specifically for educators at all
[02:20] <highvoltage> on system requirements, requirements for "LTSP Server" would also be great
[02:20] <HedgeMage> back
[02:21] <jsgotangco> it is probably something i wrote without thinking
[02:21] <JaneW> ok
[02:21] <JaneW> but punting of edubuntu is always good
[02:21] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: can you toss me that list please?
[02:21] <JaneW> subliminal advertising
[02:21] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: email?
[02:22] <ogra> highvoltage, the ones from the CD cover
[02:22] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: hedgemage@binaryredneck.net
[02:22] <jsgotangco> cool
[02:22] <highvoltage> ogra: there are ltsp requirements on the CD cover?
[02:22] <ogra> yes
[02:22] <highvoltage> ogra: i haven't seen a cd cover for dapper yet. are they public?
[02:22] <ogra> argh, amd64 install failed ...
[02:23] <LaserJock> :(
[02:23] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes
[02:23] <JaneW> in DiyMarketing
[02:24] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: you can look at this too http://lwn.net/Articles/155632/
[02:24] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[02:24] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: thanks
[02:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: they are quite nice (if you use a proper pdf viewer)
[02:26] <highvoltage> (docteam) http://help.ubuntu.com/quicktour/C/quicktour.html lists a screenshot of ltsp.org's website next to LTSP
[02:26] <jsgotangco> hey these are old models
[02:26] <highvoltage> yeah, ignore that for now, I'll bring the page up in ubuntu-doc later
[02:27] <JaneW> btw guys I have not heard back from Chrsi Coldwell yet (re that Edubuntu Install Video)
[02:28] <JaneW> sorry I meant Chris
[02:30] <jsgotangco> is it required atm?
[02:32] <highvoltage> meeting still going? :)
[02:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: well we wanted it on the site
[02:32] <JaneW> last week it was one of my actions to follow it up
[02:32] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: yep
[02:32] <highvoltage> JaneW: it can still go on. we're not bound to release cycles for website updates
[02:32] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes
[02:32] <JaneW> highvoltage: although it will be a breezy install
[02:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: although, it would be nice to have it on there asap when people start installing dapper, i see what you mean
[02:33] <JaneW> how different is that
[02:33] <JaneW> *blush* that I don't know
[02:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: ed zachary
[02:33] <JaneW> highvoltage: aka exactly
[02:33] <highvoltage> more or less the same. it's just minor changes as far as i can tell, unless they're using espresso
[02:33] <JaneW> ubiquity I tihnk it called now
[02:33] <highvoltage> which is only applicable if they install from livecd
[02:33] <jsgotangco> brb
[02:33] <JaneW> yuk
[02:34] <highvoltage> aaah, so that's what ubiquity is.
[02:34] <jsgotangco> where were you?
[02:35] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i wish you could spend the last month or so in our office and see for yourself.
[02:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:35] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i've seen a bit of the buzz about ubiquity, but didn't realise what it was about.
[02:35] <jsgotangco> it actually works nice
[02:35] <jsgotangco> although i only tried it with kubuntu
[02:36] <LaserJock> they only thing I've had problems with is partitioning
[02:36] <jsgotangco> it actually went fine with me on RC
[02:36] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: got your email, thank you :)
[02:37] <HedgeMage> JaneW: I'm sorry, but if you answered me, I missed it -- What should I do with my release announcement draft once it's written?
[02:38] <ogra> HedgeMage, put it on the wiki for review
[02:38] <JaneW> HedgeMage: um, place it on the wiki
[02:38] <JaneW> ogra will most likely get the honour of sending it
[02:38] <HedgeMage> okay, will do, anyplace special or just make sure it's easy to find?
[02:38] <JaneW> HedgeMage: also ogra will need to add technical details 
[02:39] <jsgotangco> \o/
[02:39] <JaneW> HedgeMage: um, how about https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement
[02:39] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:39] <HedgeMage> got it
[02:41] <JaneW> page created
[02:42] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:42] <HedgeMage> working on it now
[02:45] <TiganSan> Hello, this is my first time joining an ubuntu meeting.  Is the meeting still goingon or did I miss it?
[02:46] <highvoltage> TiganSan: still going
[02:46] <HedgeMage> TiganSan: It's still going on, but appears to be winding down :)
[02:47] <HedgeMage> at least, people are getting quiet :)
[02:47] <TiganSan> So I see. That's ok.  Now that I know how to join the meeting, I try to be on time
[02:48] <LaserJock> well, it is 0500 here some I'm bound to fall asleep at some point ;-)
[02:48] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: about 6am here, I'm wondering whether or not I'll sneak in a nap before TT wakes.
[02:49] <HedgeMage> TiganSan: :)
[02:49] <HedgeMage> I think there's an Xubuntu meeting in an hour or so if you care to wait around.
[02:49] <LaserJock> oh yeah, it's almost 6 here, my brain isn't working yet
[02:49] <JaneW> any cookbook update?
[02:49] <TiganSan> Well, I am dialing in from USA-East Cost time so I am just wide awake>-D
[02:50] <LaserJock> yeah, are there anymore items we need to cover?
[02:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: eating before a meeting is not a good idea ;)
[02:50] <HedgeMage> JaneW: We have more material up, and active proofing going on.
[02:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: this I have just found out
[02:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: I feel drugged
[02:50] <HedgeMage> JaneW: I think we'll have a good first cookbook for Dapper and an incredible second one for Edgy, now that we have ourselves in order.
[02:51] <JaneW> HedgeMage: excellent, i am so glad it has direction now :))
[02:51] <HedgeMage> :D
[02:51] <highvoltage> anything else on the meeting agenda? when is the next EC edubuntu meeting?
[02:51] <HedgeMage> JaneW: Go for it.  I'm still transcribing a couple of my bits from handwritten notes... got stuck in an airport for many hours over the weekend without my laptop.
[02:52] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: next week, I think.
[02:52] <JaneW> HedgeMage: URL?
[02:52] <HedgeMage> JaneW: I'm doing the release draft, sleeping (I hope) then hitting cookbook again
[02:52] <JaneW> HedgeMage: wiki/cookbook?
[02:52] <JaneW> HedgeMage: you are a star!
[02:52] <HedgeMage> JaneW: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[02:53] <LaserJock> highvoltage: next week, later time, and is time for new members, I think
[02:53] <highvoltage> LaserJock: great
[02:53] <HedgeMage> JaneW: I'd actually like to see the old cookbook stuff (that never really went anywhere except as an impetus for the new) to be relocated or deleted eventually... it seems an easy way to confuse people
[02:54] <JaneW> HedgeMage: if it is redundant already point the pages out to highvoltage and he can kill them
[02:54] <JaneW> he likes doing that
[02:54] <highvoltage> mhuhahahaha
[02:54] <JaneW> see^^?
[02:56] <HedgeMage> JaneW: awesome, will do... after I sleep :P
[02:57] <highvoltage> smiting? what's that? (highvoltage's engrish isn't that good)
[02:58] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: destroying in a godly manner
[02:58] <highvoltage> oooh, i like that word.
[02:58] <HedgeMage> with super powers and such
[02:58] <HedgeMage> :)
[02:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: smite:    1.
[02:58] <JaneW>          1. To inflict a heavy blow on, with or as if with the hand, a tool, or a weapon.
[02:58] <JaneW>          2. To drive or strike (a weapon, for example) forcefully onto or into something else.
[02:58] <JaneW>    2. To attack, damage, or destroy by or as if by blows.
[02:58] <JaneW>    3.
[02:58] <JaneW>          1. To afflict: The population was smitten by the plague.
[02:58] <JaneW>          2. To afflict retributively; chasten or chastise.
[02:58] <JaneW>    4. To affect sharply with great feeling: He was smitten by deep remorse.
[02:58] <JaneW> is this meeting over?
[02:59] <ajmitch> heh
[02:59] <HedgeMage> I think so
[02:59] <highvoltage> i take it that this meeting is smited?
[02:59] <HedgeMage> If that was a motion, I second it :P
[02:59] <highvoltage> great. ---->  #edubuntu
[02:59] <JaneW> sorry it was rather discombobulated
[03:00] <HedgeMage> rofl
[03:00] <LaserJock> lol
[03:00] <JaneW> poor cbx33
[03:00] <JaneW> having to minute that ;)
[03:00] <HedgeMage> BTW, am I sending logs to Pete or is someone else? I seem to remember him asking at least 4 people...
[03:00] <ajmitch> JaneW: so SoC stuff, nothing special you require from us slav^Wstudents apart from the spec? :)
[03:00] <JaneW> ajmitch: LOL
[03:01] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: we require HARD WORK.
[03:01] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: of course
[03:01] <JaneW> ajmitch: is your spec finalised?
[03:01] <ajmitch> nah, still a couple of things in the proposal that aren't listed in the spec :)
[03:01] <JaneW> ajmitch: you and mentor just have to stay in touch, and you need a clear spec so that it;s easy to judge if you have completed successful or not...
[03:02] <ajmitch> well my mentor just demanded hard work, so I think that's possible
[03:02] <JaneW> ajmitch: listen to him :P
[03:02] <sivang> hehe
[03:03] <JaneW> ajmitch: and he seems to be watching you ;)
[03:03] <ajmitch> I can see that :)
[03:03] <sivang> can I have some whipping myself ? :p
[03:04] <JaneW> jeffwaddell: I always carry backups
[03:05] <jeffwaddell> :)
[03:05] <JaneW> jeffwaddell: and I need to start farming out my power
[03:06] <JaneW> ok Edubuntu folk back to #Edubuntu NOW
[03:06] <JaneW> hey one person listened :)
[03:07] <HedgeMage> lol
[04:02] <Synergy6> Hmm, busy meeting
[05:05] <Linuturk_NB> Agenda?
[05:07] <Linuturk_NB> well, i've got a question. in 5.10, some of the menu's items didn't do anything. (namely the File Manager) Is this looking better in 6.06?
[05:16] <Linuturk_NB> ok, i guess I have no idea how these meetings work
[05:43] <Seveas> @now
[05:43] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: May 31 2006, 15:43:46 - Next meeting: Technical Board  in 6 days
[05:50] <Synergy6> Strange meetings system
[05:52] <Seveas> what's strange about it? 
[05:52] <kermitX_> there was none?
[05:53] <Seveas> probably no xubuntu people found it neccessary, but they forgot to cancel
[05:53] <ogra> they likely forgot to notify the fridge
[05:53] <Synergy6> What was strange about in meeting in which nobody met?
[05:53] <Synergy6> *about a
[05:53] <Synergy6> Kinda self-explanatory :)
[05:53] <kermitX_> wish my business meetings were as quiet as this one was. ;)
[05:54] <ogra> well, you complained about the system :)
[05:55] <Synergy6> I thought a system would ensure that somebody would meet
[05:55] <Synergy6> Hard to know whether this means that xubuntu is so perfect no issues need discussed, or dev participation is low
[05:56] <ogra> heh, usually thats the case, but with a release on the next day somehow everybody pretends to be busy 
[05:56] <Synergy6> Is the final going to be xfce 4.2 final or 4.4 cvs?
[05:56] <kermitX_> my question was whether 4.4 final would make it in as an update.
[05:58] <ogra> that'd be a question you'd best ask the people that just havent met :)
[05:59] <Synergy6> True
[05:59] <Synergy6> Does 4.4 have a release date or when it's done?
[06:00] <Seveas> kermitX_, #xubuntu