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crimsunLaserJock: apparently your upload made it in :-)01:19
LaserJockjust saw that, \o/01:21
ogralol01:22
ograthe only universe package that made it in after the freeze is a fix for ia64 ?01:22
ograthats funny :)01:22
ogracongrats LaserJock :)01:23
azeemyay!01:25
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sivangLOL01:36
LaserJockit was all for azeem01:41
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azeem#   dapper ia64   Successfully built01:50
azeemhah!01:50
LaserJock\o/01:52
LaserJockI gotta keep azeem happy so he will sponsor my Debian uploads ;-)01:56
azeemheh :)01:56
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ajmitchafternoon02:28
crimsun'lo02:28
ajmitchI guess I lost out on getting f-spot updated before release :)02:29
crimsunwith all dozen patches? :-)02:33
ajmitch*cough*02:34
ajmitchonly 23 !02:34
ajmitchit's like a new upstream version02:34
ajmitchwhich is why I'd be wary of uploading even if uploads weren't queued02:35
crimsunquick, upload while kamion's offering! :-)02:36
ajmitchhah02:36
ajmitchI don't have the patches yet02:36
ajmitchI can't really test cd images when rsync goes at 10K/sec02:39
ajmitchquite sad really02:39
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bddebianHeya gang03:25
Kyralhey God :P03:29
bddebianpfft03:30
crimsunjust to let you know, bddebian, I plan to funnel all main uploads through you :p03:33
ajmitchmight as well03:34
bddebianWhy, I won't get in anyway03:35
crimsunyour lp->packages begs to differ :p03:35
bddebian??03:36
crimsun(the packages link on your LP page)03:36
crimsunanyhow, thanks for everyone's work on dapper :-)03:37
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ajmitchI suppose I'll have to try & do some work on edgy03:37
crimsunwell, I guess we all kinda pale in comparison on bddebian :p03:37
crimsuns/on/to/03:37
bddebianajmitch: Bah :-)03:37
bddebiancrimsun: What Packages link??03:38
crimsunthis one-> https://launchpad.net/people/bddebian/+packages03:39
ajmitchcrimsun: he'll get in if doko doesn't lynch him first03:39
bddebianWhat for the vnc4 thing?03:39
crimsunno, the list of packages you've worked on03:40
bmontydamn, I wish I knew about that packaging link earlier03:40
bddebiancrimsun: No, I meant ajmitch03:41
bddebians comment about doko03:41
ajmitchbddebian: yes, for that03:41
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bddebianLater ajmitch03:42
crimsunlater ajmitch03:42
crimsunguess it's time to resume poring through these security issues03:42
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bmontycrimsun: is there a list somewhere?03:43
crimsunbmonty: debian's DSAs03:44
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LaserJockhi guys04:18
bmontyhi LaserJock04:19
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LaserJockI can't believe Dapper is almost out the door04:26
bddebian:)04:27
Lathiatyeh odd isnt it :)04:27
Lathiatits like just yesterday every dist-upgrade was a round of russian roulette..04:28
LaserJockthis is the first release I've seen from start to finish04:28
Lathiatoh? cool04:29
bddebianLathiat: :-)04:29
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KyralGood luck guys04:29
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Lathiati discovered we had some.. and its quite good but much in need of love :)04:30
KyralI won't be around04:30
LaserJockyeah, that is cool04:30
Kyralsorry guys04:30
Lathiati had no idea we had what we do tho, it looks pretty cool04:30
Lathiati dont usually read docs i just muddle my way thrtough things.. :)04:30
LathiatKyral: ah how come?04:31
LaserJockKyral: you're welcome to hang out here04:31
KyralI can't settle down on one distro yet04:31
KyralI want to learn all about how every distro does things04:31
LathiatYou don't have to, ubuntu has like 4 sub-distros to settle on ;)04:31
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KyralNo its one distro04:31
LaserJockbddebian: whatever04:31
KyralJust different default configs04:31
Lathiatand packages04:32
Lathiat:)04:32
KyralNo04:32
Kyralthey all pull from the same repos04:32
bddebianLaserJock: Bah :-)04:32
Lathiat"I'm sorry sir, but I'm afraid you'll have to turn in your gpg key"04:32
LathiatKyral: *default* packages ;)04:32
Kyralwhich == configs04:32
KyralANYWAY04:32
Lathiat. arguably ;p04:32
Lathiatdont worry04:32
KyralLike I was saying, every distro is a representation of what someone thinks is the perfect distro04:32
Lathiatyou can trip to any other distro and besides probably debian you'll come crawling back ;)04:32
Lathiatthats true04:33
LaserJockLathiat: you should help with the Packaging Guide for edgy ;-)04:33
LathiatLaserJock: info?04:33
LathiatLaserJock: i take it its a newbies guide?04:33
LaserJockit's on doc.ubuntu.com04:33
KyralLathiat: Actually I like Arch more :P04:33
LathiatKyral: bad kyral, bad bad kyral *g*04:33
LaserJockLathiat: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html in particular04:34
Lathiatah yep, i see04:34
LaserJockLathiat: it's also in ubuntu-docs package04:34
Lathiatah, looks good04:34
LaserJockit still needs a lot of work04:34
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KyralI figure if I try out everyone's version of perfection then I will find out my own in end04:34
LathiatKyral: Thats the part where you start your own distro :)04:35
Kyralbingo :P04:35
tsenghi Lathiat04:35
Lathiat$)(*!@$ if k3b plays that stupid trumpet sound once more im going to switch back to gnome04:35
KyralHow'd you know that was my goal? :P04:35
Lathiathowdy tseng :)04:35
LaserJockKyral: the one thing I would say is that Ubuntu isn't so much one persons's version of a perfect distro04:35
LaserJockas the communities version04:35
KyralSame could be said of Arch04:36
LaserJock*community's04:36
Lathiati should try out evolution in an environment where you use pop and stuff, i've only ever used it with imap (and found it relatively useless at that)04:36
KyralJudd started it, but the community came around it with the AUR04:36
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KyralActually there is an Italian distro that combines Ubuntu with Pacman04:37
bddebianKyral: I'm still waiting on Hurd!!! ;-)04:37
Kyralhai hai04:37
Kyrallemme get it installed04:37
KyralThe HURD, BSD, and GNU/Solaris are also part of this Open Source field trip :P04:38
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LaserJockgood luck :-)04:38
KyralI already have BSD going :P04:38
KyralBut yah, good job guys04:39
KyralI prolly won't become MOTU, but I'll still be around in #ubuntu04:39
bddebianGood man :-)04:44
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LaserJockwoot! I got my passport today!05:03
bddebianNice05:03
bddebianDid you do the two week rush job? :-)05:03
LaserJockI was getting worried05:03
LaserJockyes05:03
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bddebianYeah, I did that when I went to FOSDEM last year05:04
bddebianHeya imbrandon05:04
LaserJockbut I didn't see it on the online status so I didn't even know it got to the state department05:04
bddebianEeks05:05
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bddebianGNight folks06:05
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Hobbseehi Mithrandir09:30
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dholbachgood morning10:10
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sivangmorning all10:41
highvoltagemorning sivang10:42
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phanatichi people10:44
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philbullhi guys, i'm having a problem with a patch11:48
philbullsee bug 4742811:48
UbugtuMalone bug 47428 in kmatplot "no .desktop file" [Minor,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4742811:48
philbulli don't know what file to edit to install the icon/.desktop file11:48
crimsunwhich issue are you referring to, 1) the binary part, or 2) the actually moving of the icon/desktop file/s?11:50
crimsunactual^11:50
philbullwell, i now have the icon and .desktop under the debian/ dir11:51
philbullbut how can I install them to the correct locations?11:51
crimsunphilbull: you need to install them in debian/rules11:51
philbullis it normal for that file to be a perl script, though?11:52
philbulli don't know any perl...11:52
crimsunnormal? eh, not really, but I suppose it can be anything as long as it does the job11:52
philbullthere are 2 files in debian/11:53
philbulldebianrules (which seems to do something) and rules, which is really short and doesn't have any of the 'normal' dh_ stuff in it11:54
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philbull(I'm totally new to this BTW)11:54
crimsunugh, I keep trying to use an external mouse that isn't connected. Too tired.11:54
philbullhe11:55
Hobbseehehe11:55
Hobbseeyou can sleep soon crimsun :P11:55
Hobbseephilbull: that's cdbs, btw....11:56
philbull?11:56
Hobbseeyou *should* just be able to include kde.mk, i *think*11:56
Hobbseei'm not positive on that though, give me a min11:56
Hobbseephilbull: that short rules file - it's made by cdbs.11:56
philbullaha11:56
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crimsunhmm, but grep -nHr 'dh_desktop' *  doesn't reveal anything useful for kde11:58
Hobbseephilbull: you'd have to check other sources, to see if/how they copied icons, but maybe this will help https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id250319111:58
crimsunin /usr/share/cdbs/1, that is11:58
Hobbseecrimsun: presumably that's done in debhelper.mk11:59
crimsunthat's under rules/, which is searched via -r12:00
crimsunyeah, it looks like you'll still have to do this manually.12:01
Hobbseedrat - but kde.mk should be in there for a kde program..12:01
Hobbseei think12:01
crimsunlet's look at kdenetwork.12:02
crimsunHobbsee: you were on the right track. You'd need to include debian-qt-kde.mk12:03
Hobbseecrimsun: hmmm...havent seen that one used a lot, but okay12:04
crimsunthose aren't distributed as part of cdbs12:04
crimsunthey're part of the diff.gz12:04
Hobbseeah...12:04
Hobbseeah okya12:04
Hobbseewell, found out how kpowersave puts in it's icon...12:04
philbulli'm still lost :(12:05
crimsundarned mouse :/12:05
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Hobbseesarah@sarah:~/Desktop/kpowersave-0.6.0/debian$ cat install12:06
Hobbseedebian/kpowersave.xpm usr/share/pixmaps12:06
Hobbseeis there, if that helps...12:06
imbrandon omg people make me so mad sometimes ........ i need a ummm cigarette12:06
crimsunphilbull: ok, looking at the source package for kmatplot, you should ignore debian/debianrules and debian/rules.old12:08
crimsunphilbull: neither of those are even used12:08
Hobbsee(and why are they in there in teh first place???)12:08
crimsunhistorical $baggage  is my guess12:09
philbullok12:09
crimsunphilbull: probably the easiest way to get the xpm into the correct place is to use an .install file like Hobbsee alluded to12:10
Hobbseecrimsun: and then the menu file mentions the icon file.  but i cant seem to find where the menu file gets installed - maybe that's inside debhelper.mk?12:11
crimsunphilbull: now the binary issue is going to cause some issues unless you uuencode, so I think you'll want to use another format12:11
philbulli'll use the .xpm if that'll work?12:11
crimsunphilbull: that's the binary issue I'm referring to.12:12
crimsunphilbull: I'm pretty certain you'll want to use the method that raphink blogged about12:12
crimsunHobbsee: but that's in debian/debianrules, which is obsolete and not used at all currently12:12
Hobbseecrimsun: as in, the menu file is mentioned there?  i didnt check that, knowing that it wasnt used.12:13
philbullcrimsun: do you have a link to that blog?12:15
crimsunHobbsee: the current menu file doesn't have an icon reference12:15
crimsunphilbull: drilling down via google...12:15
Hobbseecrimsun: what's this then?  http://pastebin.com/74874212:16
crimsunHobbsee: you're looking at kpowersave; I'm looking at kmatplot :-)12:18
Hobbseecrimsun: that is true - i was looking at an example file...12:18
crimsun(as in what philbull's working on)12:18
crimsunaha12:19
Hobbseewell, yeah...okay then.  add it to the menu file, perhaps?12:19
Hobbseedinner12:19
crimsunit always helps if I tweak the search terms: http://www.raphink.info/adding-icons-to-debian-packages12:19
Hobbsee|awayhehe12:19
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crimsunphilbull: see above url12:20
philbullthanks12:23
dholbachhey crimsun, philbull, Hobbsee|away12:25
philbullhmmm, that seems to need a 'nice' debian/rules12:26
philbullhey dholbach12:26
philbullis there anywhere in the package i could just call a custom script from?12:27
dholbachscript for doing what?12:30
crimsunhi dholbach, thanks for pushing the great artwork :-)12:30
crimsunphilbull: you can use cdbs hooks12:30
dholbachcrimsun: thanks a lot - it was mostly the designer's work - but still it meant quite some work for me, so thanks for the praise. :-)12:31
crimsun:-)12:31
crimsunphilbull: I have to go give a presentation soon, but look at the "post-install actions" portion of the "Basic custom build rules" section at https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml12:36
sivangcrimsun: what is the preentation going to be about? :)12:38
philbullcrimsun: thanks, i'll take a look this afternoon12:39
philbullthanks for all your help guys, hopefully i can get it to work...12:39
crimsunsivang: boring stuff like "how $sponsor's money's is justified being spent on our projects" :-)12:39
crimsunphilbull: np12:40
philbull:D12:40
sivangcrimsun: hehe12:40
sivangcrimsun: good luck, may I ask what is the project? :)12:40
crimsunsivang: classifier systems for autonomous agents12:41
sivangoh crap, it seems I can't write to swirl:/sys/block/sda/queue/iosched , they are all readonly even for root12:41
crimsun(representing state changes, etc.)12:41
sivangcrimsun: oh nice, doing an AI phd?12:41
sivangor masters?12:41
crimsunsivang: no, totally outside my realm, I'm just helping with research this summer and got dragged in :-)12:42
sivangwell, cool! who knows, you might be drawn into it.12:42
sivangI know few people who did only one project and became Ph.D's in it :p12:43
crimsun:-)12:43
sivangone of them is my gf's sis's husband12:43
sivanghe's into preference elicitation,12:43
sivangand some other stuff related to automatic learning12:43
crimsunah cool12:43
sivanghe teches in www.technion.ac.il12:43
crimsunyeah, adaptation/learning is part of this project, too, but I'm not sure if I'll get to it12:44
sivanganyway, do you have any idea why I can't write to those nodes at /sys/block/sda/queue/iosched/antic_expire ?12:44
sivangthe doc says if you set it to zero, it will act like the deadline schd12:45
crimsunI don't think those are exposed via /proc, so you have to change them before compiling12:48
sivangah12:49
sivangk, thanks, will just switch to the deadline policy then12:49
crimsunI haven't tested cfq or deadline, but they're worth checking12:49
sivangwhat does cfq stands for?12:50
crimsuncomplete fair queueing iirc12:51
sivangokay, thanks for all the info Daniel12:51
sivanggood luck on the presentation12:51
crimsunthanks, good luck w/ the tuning :-)12:52
sivangheh, thanks, I hope I will put this machine to behave like it cost :p12:52
sivangbecuase at the moment it acts like in old PIII-800Mhz with 5400RPM hd :p12:52
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Hobbsee|awayhi dholbach01:01
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cyberixWill Dapper be released on time tomorrow?01:10
cyberixAnd what time ;-)01:10
sladencyberix: "tomorrow"01:15
Mithrandirit's not useful to ask "are we there yet", so please don't.01:15
Toadstoolhi all01:17
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HobbseeMithrandir: are we there yet?  *ducks* :P01:23
Mithrandiryou're poor at trolling today.01:23
Mithrandir:-P01:23
HobbseeMithrandir: you mean i'm good on other days?01:24
Mithrandirbetter than this attempt, at least, yes.01:24
Mithrandirsome days good, other days a bit less good01:24
Hobbseehmmm...well seeing as i try not to troll at all...01:25
Mithrandirnever?01:25
Hobbseemost of the time...01:26
Hobbseebesides, i thought the aim was to stop the trolls, not be one :P01:26
sivangoh well, deadline io scheduler is a bit better, but did not help much multitasking io tasks01:27
MithrandirHobbsee: I guess.  Just tired and really wanting to get this dragon out the door now.01:27
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Viper12Well, been channel hopping.  if you all are truly the masters then tell me please  has the latest go round of updates borked firestarter?  Because after the latest round it will no longer start on my system. (clean dapper, no changes to repositories other than multi/universe).01:29
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Viper12Well that shut the crowd up. ;)01:38
HobbseeViper12: heh - most people arent around here anyway01:38
Hobbseethey're busy doing release-stuff...01:38
Viper12Oh I know that.  This issue that just popped up does seem a bit more important than 'does yer comp iz work? or hows alsa-oss today", but noone is responding. lol  murphy's law.01:39
HobbseeViper12: i dont use firestarter, sorry...01:42
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zulheylo01:46
Hobbseehi zul01:46
zulhey Hobbsee how is it going?01:46
Hobbseezul: alright, know anything about firestarter?01:47
zulisnt that the gnome firewall?01:47
zulother than that...no01:47
Hobbseehehe.  yes01:48
Viper12yes01:48
Viper12and oh har har. :D01:48
zuli only did a patch for it thats about it01:48
Viper12well, as of today's updates it barfs when starting with a gTK-warning.01:48
Hobbseei see01:48
Viper12acutally an Xlib "refused by server" and THEN a the gtk  cannot open display error.01:49
bmonty_awayViper12: try starting it on the command line with gksudo01:50
Viper12already did. and rebooted twice just to verify the issue wasn't something goofy.  It comes up with the same error.  No changes to this system since yesterday OTHER than the last round of updates a little while ago.01:51
zulworks fine here01:51
Viper12It worked fine here as well, until I decided to reboot the system.01:51
Viper12going to reinstall the application.  Just very odd that on a 'clean' system, this particular application would go 'south'.01:53
Viper12dang odd.  It indicates that is stopped the firewall....reinstalled and then started it.  No icon, or any indication that its running via ps or system monitor.  scratching head.  trying to start the app is giving the same xlib and gtk error now..again. shrugs.01:56
Viper12grepping shows no process running either.01:57
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Viper12Well, I submitted a bug report, so ve shall see.02:27
zulViper12: i cant reproduce it02:27
Viper12I can.  snicker.02:28
Viper12just submitted #4766202:28
Viper12Really caught me off guard as the last couple weeks of updates (other than that night where the restricted drivers were 'late') have been rock solid for this system.02:29
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Viper12okay, ran strace...now, what am I looking for in that spaghetti ?02:47
Viper12oh bugger. lol. wrong channel.  mah bad.02:50
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coz_hey all03:10
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bddebianHeya gang03:19
LaserJockhi bddebian03:20
Hobbseehi bddebian03:20
bddebianHiya Hobbsee and again LaserJock ;-)03:22
siretartfabo: hrhr. nice try... ;)03:26
fabo:p03:26
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siretartfabo: boy, the archive has already been closed...03:27
LaserJockhi siretart03:30
Hobbseehi siretart03:30
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siretarthuhu LaserJock, hi Hobbsee03:30
siretartfabo: yes, dapper is closed03:31
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bddebianDoh :-(03:32
bddebianHeya siretart03:32
fabok03:32
siretarthuhu bddebian03:32
siretartfabo: please ask me in channel03:40
fabok03:40
faboso about my wishlist ?03:40
siretartfabo: I don't remember, sry03:41
fabois it possible to have package name on bugs subjects e.g. :03:41
fabo[Motu-reviewers]  [Bug XXXXX]  [PackageName] 03:41
fabolike for COMMENT and UPDATE :03:41
fabo[Motu-reviewers]  [REVU] [COMMENT]  for PackageName03:41
siretarthm. good idea. could you please write sistpoty a mail about it?03:41
fabook03:41
Mithrandirew, terrible idea.  Filter by the headers set by launchpad instead.03:42
LaserJockMithrandir: I find it often very difficult to find what package a bug is reported against in the Malone emails03:42
LaserJockputting something in the title would be nice, even putting it in the body would help03:43
MithrandirLaserJock: filter each package into its own folder, then.03:43
Mithrandiror munge the subjects locally03:43
LaserJock?03:43
siretartMithrandir: those mails are generated by revu, not by launchpad03:43
Mithrandirhmkay03:44
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Mithrandirorder by, I presume?03:45
LaserJockI just want to be able to know what package an email is talking about03:45
HobbseeMithrandir: that's the one.03:45
LaserJockHobbsee: yeah, that would be handy03:45
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highvoltagea RecentChanges for Launchpad would be nice.03:46
siretartHobbsee: you are completly right to poke me about revu. unfortunately,  I didn't find time to continue coding on revu2 :( - its my fault03:47
Hobbseesiretart: not revu.  just malone :)03:47
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Specso the release is at 12:00, right? ;)06:24
LaserJockit's done when it's done06:25
ograSpec, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Current if all or nearly all fields of all the tables have at least one "PASS" in them06:27
ografeel free to test yourself and add some PASS notes ;)06:27
Specyou mean ... work?06:29
Spec:p06:29
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vdepizzolhi everybody06:31
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vdepizzolthere are any style guideline for tangerine icons theme?06:31
LaserJockare those tango? or is that different?06:32
ogravdepizzol, probably a question for #ubuntu-art :)06:32
vdepizzolthanks, ogra :)06:32
ograor might be -artwork, i wanst in there for quite some time06:32
ogra*wasnt06:32
Specmost of the stuff for x86 is PASSed it seems06:33
ograSpec, only PASS counts (not the ones with the build number)06:34
Speconly need one per box, right?06:34
ograyep06:35
ograat least06:35
ograthe more the better06:35
SpecI'll test "Alternate CD, expert", I can find method of testing that in testing/long?06:35
Specmaybe not06:36
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crimsunbigcx2: what I said regarding edgy holds.08:46
crimsunit will be synced automatically since it's already in sid.08:46
crimsunpretty shiny (new) packaging, too, judging from packages.qa08:47
bigcx2ok, thats fine but i need in dapper so what would be the proper route of action to get it backported from edgy08:47
crimsunyou will need to pbuild it yourself and test it to verify that it can be built in dapper using edgy source08:47
crimsunthen you will need to request a backport08:47
bigcx2i have built it for dapper, we are using it internally on our mirrors08:48
bigcx2so the question still stands08:48
bigcx2how do i request a backport08:48
crimsunyou'll need to ask the archive team to do that /once edgy opens/08:49
bigcx2alright...and the archive team consists of....08:50
crimsunthe ubuntu-archive launchpad team08:50
bigcx2ok sounds good08:51
bigcx2thanks08:51
crimsundo not assign the bug to them08:51
crimsunI repeat, do /not/ assign it to them. Subscribe them.08:51
crimsun(they will punch you in the face)08:51
bigcx2haha08:51
bigcx2alright08:51
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tsengbddebian: i am going on a business trip until friday09:43
tsengbddebian: no party09:43
bddebiand000d..09:44
adolsonI am having a party for Dapper right now.. in my pants09:46
bddebianUhm, TMI09:46
bddebian:-)09:46
cbx33yuk09:46
cbx33I side with bddebian on that one09:46
adolsoncome on, Ubuntu is hawt09:46
crimsunbddebian: deities can stomach anything.09:46
cbx33but not cack ya pants hawt09:47
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crimsunow.09:48
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cbx33poke poke poke09:48
adolsonI have a feeling some of the guys here tomorrow might be downloading Dapper and trying it.. I'm the only one here running Ubuntu at the moment, but they talk a lot about it and are counting down the hours kinda thing09:48
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LaserJockadolson: yeah know, they could get the current daily and have it right now09:50
crimsunyeah, I've been holding off saying that in #ubuntu...09:50
bddebianheh09:51
adolsonthat's what I am running, LJ09:51
crimsunI'm running bddebianOS.09:51
bddebianOK, you've forced my hand09:51
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adolsonwhen I installed it, one of the guys questioned why I was installing a beta.. so I think it's a mentality here that you don't generally do that09:52
LaserJockbddebian: you can't your immortal09:52
crimsun"...and rose again on the third day"09:52
bddebianAck, I have to go shovel dirt.. :'-(  Later folks09:53
crimsuncya09:53
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