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[12:58] <Mysta_> I was unaware of any books, is there a website for this stuff?
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[06:28] <blanky> hey guys
[06:28] <blanky> what are the minimum system requirements for ubuntu server command line only
[06:28] <blanky> what would you guys think?
[06:28] <blanky> Nevermind I think it should work
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[07:34] <gpd> I'm sure this is painfully obvious - but could i add a vote for apt-get install lamp - in addition to the install option
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[07:35] <infinity> gpd: Too late now.  Dapper's closed for changes.
[07:36] <infinity> gpd: I'll certainly consider some fun server metapackages in edgy, though.
[07:36] <gpd> infinity: sounds good :)
[07:36] <gpd> I'm loving my Dapper Linode - great work guys
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[01:59] <ubun> ola
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[04:08] <fholmes> hello
[04:08] <fholmes> I am having problems with Bind on my Breezy Badger server.
[04:08] <fholmes> I have bind chrooted in /var/lib/named and everything was working until yesterday.  Something weird happened in that time frame.
[04:09] <fholmes> I have not made any configuration changes at all.  In my db.domainname file only the last name is resolving, none of the other names in my list will resolve.
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[05:34] <brad`> anyone use apache1?
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[06:51] <|JulienH|> Hi all
[06:52] <lionelp> Hi JulienH
[07:03] <JulienH> Does anyone here suceeded installing Breezy on a RAID5 config ?
[07:04] <JulienH> During the installation , on the Alt+F4 console, it shows "Installing grub on '(hd0)'" whereas it should be on md0... isn't it ?
[07:11] <JulienH> Any idea ?
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[07:17] <JulienH> knock knock ?
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[08:00] <infinity> JulienH: grub can't read from software raid5.
[08:00] <infinity> JulienH: You'll want a small /boot partition for your kernel and grub.
[08:36] <Mysta_> anyone around?
[08:37] <infinity> Mysta_: Vaguely.
[08:37] <Mysta_> i have a quick quesion
[08:37] <Mysta_> when i run the top command from the terminal how do I determine how much 'load' my 4 processors are taking on???
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[08:48] <lionelp> Mysta_: you mean by processor ?
[08:53] <gpd> press 1 while in top for SMP toggle...
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[09:41] <enquest> does the new ubuntu server come with special managment software like postfix admin. An easy way to set up your mailserver, manage apache?
[09:41] <spike> enquest: no
[09:41] <enquest> in what is it then diffrent then redhat, fedora, debian ... ?
[09:42] <spike> of those you mentioned, only RHEL is close to ubuntu server in terms of support, certifications and the like
[09:42] <infinity> enquest: 5 years support, server-tuned kernel, and a different package selection on the CD.
[09:42] <kermitX_> webmin isn't even in dapper --
[09:43] <infinity> enquest: It's not any "simpler" than Debian, though Debian policy and package integration makes us both pretty simple, IMO.
[09:43] <enquest> Thats all??? Hmmm kinda expected a more easy aproce to setting up a mail server and so on...
[09:43] <infinity> kermitX_: That's because webmin is a festering pile of unmaintainable and unsupportable crap.
[09:43] <enquest> I'm know running Debian... But always find mail server difficult
[09:43] <infinity> kermitX_: And those are the NICE things I have to say about it.
[09:43] <enquest> Don't use webmin
[09:43] <enquest> webmin is overkill
[09:44] <enquest> but it would be nice to set up easily a mail server with mysql support without having to change a dozen files
[09:44] <kermitX_> keep an eye on http://www.ispconfig.org/ for docs on getting ispconfig to work with dapper
[09:45] <kermitX_> breezy's is http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu_5.10
[09:45] <enquest> is this ispconfig inlucde in dapper?
[09:46] <spike> enquest: you can easily install stuff like GPLhost
[09:46] <spike> yeah, or ispconfig
[09:46] <kermitX_> no. you get it from ^^^  (it's open source, bsd license)
[09:51] <enquest> What is this on the ubuntu.com website apt-get lamp for the serveR???
[09:52] <enquest> or is it the same apt-get apache2 php5 mysql
[09:55] <infinity> apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql php5-mysqli
[09:55] <infinity> But, "yes", otherwise.
[09:55] <infinity> It's just guaranteed to always work right and not generate bug reports. :)
[09:55] <infinity> Which is a win for me, since I maintain all those packages.
[09:55] <infinity> And I dislike bug reports.
[09:56] <spike> :)
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[09:57] <kermitX_> will there be a meta package (ubuntu-server) to expedite the install of the ubuntu-server packages when using a 'non-server' iso?
[09:58] <infinity> There isn't in dapper.
[09:58] <infinity> I'm considering some "make stuff easier" metapackages for edgy.
[09:58] <kermitX_> and isn't perl part of the server iso?
[09:58] <infinity> For most "real" admins, this is all fluff anyway.  They just want the bare-bones installation we ship, and then they want to hand-pick which packages they install.
[09:59] <infinity> But for home users and small-time admins, this stuff's fun.
[09:59] <infinity> kermitX_: Of course perl's on the ISO (and installed by default)
[09:59] <infinity> Perl's installed by default on all Ubuntu and Debian systems..
[09:59] <infinity> Half the dpkg tools kinda depend on it.
[09:59] <spike> is ther a system besides LFS :) which doesnt install perl as default?
[10:00] <spike> throw an "actually" in there somewhere
[10:00] <infinity> Well, the default perl you get on a minimal Debian or Ubuntu system is REALLY lightweight.
[10:00] <kermitX_> but isn't mod-perl2 separate? or is it unneeded?
[10:00] <infinity> But it's still there.
[10:00] <infinity> kermitX_: Oh, no, we don't install mod_perl2 by default.  It's on the ISO, though.
[10:01] <infinity> kermitX_: As is mod_python.
=== kermitX_ mmmm python ;)
[10:03] <kermitX_> can someone explain the dependancy on php5-cli & php5-common that php4-pear has?
[10:08] <infinity> kermitX_: php4-pear is an empty package that depends on php-pear.
[10:08] <infinity> php-pear is built from php5 source, so depends on php5-common for the changelog and docs (php5-common hasn't got much else in it)
[10:09] <infinity> As for the php5-cli thin, php-pear needs a command line interpreter to run, it depends on php5-cli | php4-cli, so if you have the latter installed, you don't need the former.
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[10:09] <infinity> And if I get one more bug report stating "Oh noes, php4-pear pulled in php5-common, now I have php5 installed!", I *will* hit someone.  I mean it.
[10:15] <kermitX_> i wasn't complaining.. was mainly wondering what was so important about php5-common. if it's just docs, it's docs. no biggie.
[10:17] <infinity> It's just so I only have to ship one changelog for all packages built from the php5 source instead of shipping 15 identical changelogs.
[10:17] <infinity> so /usr/share/doc/php-pear is a symlink to /usr/share/doc/php5-common
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