[12:09] <pygi> cbx33, status update?
[12:09] <cbx33> still tagging
[12:09] <cbx33> and talking to mdke
[12:09] <cbx33> about wiki move
[12:09] <pygi> I am really sleepy, and this is not going to do itself on its own :-/
[12:09] <pygi> where do we move wiki?
[12:10] <cbx33> tomorrow
[12:10] <pygi> tommorow what?
[12:10] <cbx33> the wiki move is tomorrow
[12:11] <LaserJock> tommorow the user documentation wiki pages will be moved from wiki.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com
[12:11] <pygi> LaserJock, ah, will I also have privs there to write, edit, etc.?
[12:11] <cbx33> pygi write edit yes
[12:11] <cbx33> deletepages no
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33, ergh, why not? :-/
[12:12] <cbx33> it's a new directive
[12:12] <pygi> we need to delete some then
[12:12] <pygi> We don't need worksheet, and all those obsolete stuff 
[12:12] <LaserJock> pygi: there will be a team to do that
[12:12] <pygi> LaserJock, o joy
[12:12] <cbx33> pygi, we can put in requests for it
[12:12] <pygi> Like I am really going to delete something what is important
[12:12] <pygi> ok, ok 
[12:13] <LaserJock> there is a lot of crap that goes on on the wiki
[12:13] <LaserJock> it isn't that they don't trust you pygi
[12:13] <LaserJock> but they are trying to up the quality of the wiki docs
[12:13] <pygi> LaserJock, lol, yes, I know..no worries about that :)
[12:14] <LaserJock> and people haphazardly deleting docs is not good
[12:15] <pygi> cbx33, oki, you'll tell me where I will be able to find the cookbook stuff tommorow then
[12:16] <cbx33> ok
[12:16] <pygi> I should probably take some sleep, because I am in no state to write anything right now 
[12:16] <cbx33> sleep
[12:16] <cbx33> we can sort it all out later
[12:16] <pygi> It needs to be released today cbx33
[12:18] <LaserJock> pygi: you can go to the same URL, it will redirect you
[12:20] <pygi> LaserJock, thanks :)
[12:20] <pygi> enjoy all
[12:20] <cbx33> you too pygi 
[12:20] <cbx33> sorry i wasn't more help
[12:20] <pygi> cbx33, don't worry
[12:20] <pygi> It'll be finished
[12:20] <pygi> and it'll be today
[12:20] <pygi> I'll make sure that it does :)
[12:22] <cbx33> cookbook tagged and bagged 
[12:22] <cbx33> it will get moved
[12:49] <cbx33> I'm off to sleep
[12:49] <cbx33> nn guys
[01:55] <crimsun> boo
[01:55] <HedgeMage> hi, crimsun :)
[01:57] <crimsun> you are likely to be eaten by a grue
[01:57] <bimberi> :)  is that from "adventure"?
[02:00] <bimberi> aha, it's from "Zork" (aka "adventure") - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster)
[02:01] <crimsun> I'm showing my age, apparently :/
[02:01] <bimberi> as am i ;)
[02:01] <HedgeMage> ahh
[02:18] <bimberi> crimsun: i played 'adventure' when in the days when people were charged for CPU time :)
[02:19] <bimberi> funny how xyzzy and plugh stay in the memory
[02:21] <crimsun> I spent weeks on Zork I
[02:21] <crimsun> best game ever imo
[02:32] <mhz> hi all
[02:32] <mhz> neurogeek, hi there
[02:33] <mhz> there is this silly bug in cfdisk when it is used in spanish, or so it seems
[02:33] <mhz> neurogeek, do you use your system in spanish?
[04:05] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:08] <bimberi> hi bddebian
[04:09] <bddebian> Hello bimberi
[04:10] <bimberi> i saw your nick on the dapperisotesting (orsomething like that) wikipage - so lots of installs for you too in recent times
[04:11] <bddebian> Yeah I try, though not as many as I wish :-)
[04:12] <bimberi> :)
[05:28] <Burgundavia> hey anselmolsm
[05:31] <anselmolsm> hey
[05:44] <jsgotangco> hmm the edubuntu release annoucement isn't too hot (its mostly ltsp)
[06:30] <Meshezabeel> is there anything in ubuntu that isn't in edubuntu?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> Meshezabeel: hmm, the live-cd installer?
[06:31] <Burgundavia> Meshezabeel: but they share the same repos
[06:32] <Burgundavia> you can take a k/x/edu/ubuntu install and install the relevant -desktop package for any of the others
[06:32] <Burgundavia> you can also install LTSP on any of those variants
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Dapper!!! :-)
[07:10] <DaSkreech> Dapper!
[07:11] <DaSkreech> yay almost up to 30 :)
[07:12] <DShepherd> yup
[07:29] <cbx33> morning all
[07:30] <jsgotangco> morning
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Morning
[07:30] <cbx33> hi jsg, das
[07:34] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[07:34] <cbx33> ypu still up?
[07:34] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[07:37] <cbx33> DaSkreech, has it changed then
[07:37] <jsgotangco> no its not
[07:38] <DaSkreech> It's the same as which ISO?
[07:38] <jsgotangco> i386 is already gold
[07:38] <cbx33> cdimages.ubuntu.com
[07:38] <jsgotangco> DaSkreech: just download today's ISO and you have release already
[07:38] <Xaero_Vincent> edubuntu is for little kids tho right?
[07:38] <jsgotangco> can't say about the other arches
[07:38] <jsgotangco> Xaero_Vincent: :D
[07:38] <Xaero_Vincent> heh
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Those have torrents?
[07:39] <cbx33> yup
[07:39] <highvoltage> hi cbx33. got a ping from you during the night.
[07:40] <cbx33> yeh 2 secs, just making breakfast
[07:40] <jsgotangco> can anyone look into EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement it doesn't excite me yet
[07:40] <jsgotangco> especially the features section (it needs more desktop love)
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Will the torrent help those who are getting the Final relase linked on the edubuntu page?
[07:43] <cbx33> highvoltage get my pm?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> cbx33: would it?
[07:45] <cbx33> not sure
[07:45] <bimberi> jsgotangco: is "36 months" correct? (2nd para)
[07:46] <jsgotangco> bimberi: still need to verify after all, LTSP provides a desktop (supported 3 years)
[07:46] <jsgotangco> but LTSP itself is a server (5 years) :D
[07:46] <bimberi> kk
[07:48] <cbx33> bbl guys....highvoltage, i'll see you then
[07:48] <bimberi> hi & cya cbx33
[07:49] <DaSkreech> cbx33: I'll wait till tomorrow then
[08:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: ping?
[08:12] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:12] <jsgotangco> who has done an edubuntu ltsp install here from today's (or rather yesterday's) build?
[08:17] <jsgotangco> i got a permission denied on /opt/ltsp/i386 so it dumped me to busybox
[08:17] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: pong
[08:18] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hmmm.... have you tried restarting the thin client again?
[08:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:18] <jsgotangco> im restarting the server (i dunno if that'll help at all probably not)
[08:18] <highvoltage> i had something similar with a xubuntu test i did last night
[08:19] <highvoltage> i restarted the server and the client, because i had to remove ltsp-client and ldm from the server installation
[08:19] <highvoltage> then it worked
[08:20] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:23] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[08:23] <jsgotangco> i have to restart both machines
[08:23] <jsgotangco> to make it work
[08:31] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it works now thanks
[08:31] <jsgotangco> although i noticed gartoon taking over the ubuntu logo in the server
[08:31] <jsgotangco> s/gartoon/gartoon gnome logo
[08:35] <highvoltage> oh no :(
[08:37] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:37] <jsgotangco> the clients still have the ubuntu logo though
[08:39] <highvoltage> for the gnome launcher?
[08:39] <highvoltage> i know it has it for the ltsp usplash though
[08:40] <highvoltage> xubuntu is the same there.
[08:44] <jsgotangco> EKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
[08:44] <jsgotangco> even the client now has gartoon gnome
[08:45] <crimsun> we totally need a pony logo :-)
[08:46] <jsgotangco> wonder if this is known
[08:47] <jsgotangco> or something that is considered idiosyncratic
[09:08] <highvoltage> JaneW, jsgotangco: ping
[09:09] <highvoltage> do we have a release announcement I can link to from the site (non-published yet)?
[09:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: pong
[09:09] <JaneW> er I haven't checked yet, but it should be at EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement
[09:09] <highvoltage> ok, thanks
[09:10] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it desperately needs desktop love i made some edits earlier to make it more consistent
[09:11] <cbx33> need anything looked at
[09:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: yep, HedgeMadge did her magic there :)
[09:12] <jsgotangco> cbx33: if you can add some stuff on desktop improvements that would work
[09:13] <cbx33> where are we working from?
[09:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: this is the news story that we'll have on the site: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/5
[09:13] <highvoltage> JaneW: i thought it's best to keep it short and link to the official page on the wiki. is that fine?
[09:13] <cbx33> highvoltage: that looks good
[09:14] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: that could work
[09:14] <jsgotangco> s/could/would
[09:14] <highvoltage> great
[09:14] <JaneW> highvoltage: great
[09:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: but rem it;s 36 months on server 60 on desktop
[09:15] <jsgotangco> errr
[09:15] <jsgotangco> 36 on desktop
[09:15] <jsgotangco> :D
[09:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: where did i say otherwise?
[09:16] <JaneW> highvoltage: " Like Ubuntu, Edubuntu 6.06 LTS offers security updates for 36 months after each release"
[09:16] <highvoltage> oh i see, i just copied and pasted it from the wiki page
[09:16] <highvoltage> i'll copy and paste it again from jsgotangco's update
[09:16] <cbx33> could this be moved to admins section
[09:16] <cbx33> Edubuntu now ships three themes by default in its -artwork package; with a simple "dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork", one can select the systemwide default look.
[09:16] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ping me when your update is complete :)
[09:16] <JaneW> jsgotangco: oh is it the other way around?
[09:16] <cbx33> it seems adminy
[09:16] <jsgotangco> JaneW: servers are supported longer than desktops
[09:17] <cbx33> can't it also be changed via the desktop tools?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> but i would consider edubuntu as a desktop
[09:17] <jsgotangco> since the image given to clients are basically "desktops"
[09:17] <JaneW> jsgotangco: but the server is a server :P
[09:19] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:19] <jsgotangco> instead of months, i've just changed it to years
[09:19] <jsgotangco> 3/5 years would do
[09:19] <highvoltage> yep
[09:20] <cbx33> what do yo ugiuys think about the dkpg-reconfigure line i mentioned ?
[09:21] <jsgotangco> please have edubuntu-users activated later
[09:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: you mean, as apposed to having it activated earlier?
[09:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: or, please have it activated today!
[09:22] <jsgotangco> is it activated already?
[09:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:22] <cbx33> i thought it was already active?
[09:22] <highvoltage> it exists, and it works, but it isn't advertised on the mailman front page yet
[09:22] <crimsun> cbx33: it does seem admin-y, but you can skirt that.
[09:23] <crimsun> cbx33: I would omit "a simple"
[09:23] <cbx33> crimsun: but can't it be done by going to system-preerences-themes?
[09:23] <JaneW> althought this time in the last release was MUCH mre stressful as we didn't even know if the release image would build!
[09:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: but if you do bake a cake, please don't put any of those green stuff on it :)
[09:24] <JaneW> highvoltage: green?
[09:24] <JaneW> OH!!!!
[09:24] <jsgotangco> the delay helpled a bit
[09:24] <JaneW> LMAO
[09:24] <cbx33> JaneW: you could use icing sugar for chalk
[09:24] <crimsun> cbx33: I can't answer that due to my lack of familiarity with it, but if it's anything like *artwork, then yes
[09:24] <JaneW> sorry highvoltage 
[09:24] <highvoltage> JaneW: :)
[09:24] <jsgotangco> where is the Cookbook located
[09:24] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:24] <JaneW> but did not expect him to eat the entire forkful!
[09:25] <highvoltage> JaneW: you were right about the clearing of sinusses though :)
[09:25] <jsgotangco> wasabi?
[09:25] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: awful green stuff that burns
[09:25] <jsgotangco> it must be wasabi
[09:25] <Burgundavia> anybody want to make the first upload to dapper-updates for Edubuntu?
[09:25] <Burgundavia> moodle currently breaks
[09:26] <highvoltage> egh.
[09:26] <cbx33> Burgundavia: you're kidding :p
[09:26] <highvoltage> cbx33: have you ever seen Burgundavia 'kidding'?
[09:26] <Burgundavia> cbx33: no, I am not
[09:27] <Burgundavia> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338061
[09:27] <Burgundavia> LP bug # in a sec
[09:27] <highvoltage> cool, i suppose all updates start with a LPB# at some point
[09:27] <Burgundavia> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/moodle/+bug/47812
[09:29] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: I make jokes. Just not very often :)
[09:29] <JaneW> \o/
[09:29] <Burgundavia> c'est qui?
[09:29] <JaneW> clearing the spam was not the highlight of my day
[09:29] <cbx33> I clear spam :D
[09:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:29] <JaneW> cbx33: I love you!
[09:29] <cbx33> on the ubuntu-devel list
[09:29] <highvoltage> JaneW: i know :)
[09:29] <cbx33> so does mhz
[09:30] <cbx33> we keep fighting over who killed the most :p
[09:30] <JaneW> haha
[09:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: i've been doing it for 5 years
[09:31] <highvoltage> JaneW: on some lists that get way, way more admin requests than edubuntu ;)
[09:31] <highvoltage> (especially lists with windows users on them)
[09:31] <highvoltage> (which sends virusses and stuff to the list)
[09:33] <crimsun> Burgundavia: looks like a dupe of #5501
[09:33] <Burgundavia> crimsun: it isn't because this is a fresh install
[09:35] <crimsun> hmm, I'm not entirely sure given the wording of #5501
[09:35] <JaneW> highvoltage: lucky you!
[09:35] <JaneW> :P
[09:35] <crimsun> it seems like that submitter's original installation attempt failed, too, but he unfortunately didn't provide the error from that one
[09:35] <Burgundavia> crimsun: nor am I
[09:36] <crimsun> in any case, moodle's a bit serious, since it has outstanding security errata
[09:36] <crimsun> CVE-2006-0410, CVE-2006-0806
[09:38] <Burgundavia> yep
[09:41] <Burgundavia> crimsun: is there anything I can do to help move the process along?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> moodle is a pretty important piece of the education puzzle
[09:41] <crimsun> let me refill my water bottle, and I'll dive in
[09:43] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: fire away, it only needs few more tweaks on desktop improvements
[09:44] <Burgundavia> crimsun: do you want to get the security issues at the same time as the installability?
[09:44] <cbx33> can someone confirm the theme can be changed with the system preferences theme option?
[09:44] <cbx33> then we can spice that line up
[09:45] <crimsun> Burgundavia: yes, I'll have to
[09:45] <Burgundavia> crimsun: probably for the best
[09:45] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: thanks
[09:45] <Burgundavia> crimsun: I really wanted to blog about "5 minutes to moodle" to refute this article http://reallylinux.com/docs/installmoodle.shtml
[09:47] <crimsun> (oh dear, I'll need to backport those security fixes, too. Oh well, Dapper first.)
[10:02] <cbx33> :D
[10:02] <cbx33> highvoltage: what did you decide about the meeting minutes?
[10:04] <highvoltage> cbx33: that's about moving them off the wiki, right?
[10:04] <cbx33> oh and does anyone have the logs from yesterday
[10:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: i think it's best to keep them where they are, as we discussed previously. but i think we can move them later on...
[10:05] <cbx33> highvoltage: well moving them and linking them in the quick links
[10:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: i kept the logs for you
[10:05] <cbx33> thanks
[10:05] <cbx33> can you mail them
[10:05] <ogra> Burgundavia, we have ubiquity on our liveCD (reading backlog)
[10:06] <highvoltage> cbx33: http://www.jonathancarter.co.za/files/ubuntu-2006-05-31
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ogra: ah, we do? I didn't know that
[10:07] <highvoltage> ogra: good morning!
[10:07] <cbx33> oh good a smal meeting
[10:07] <cbx33> hi ogra 
[10:07] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: we have a live cd that only has workstation (no ltsp)
[10:07] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:07] <highvoltage> cbx33: yeah, wasn't too exciting
[10:07] <highvoltage> cbx33: then again, that's good for a day-before-release meeting :)
[10:08] <cbx33> indeed
[10:08] <crimsun> Burgundavia: which apache was selected?
[10:10] <crimsun> (I presume apache2, which is not the default one highlighted?)
[10:12] <ogra> hmm, there should be a "upgrade" section in the release announcement
[10:12] <ogra> and we should link to gettingstarted
[10:12] <ogra> (for new installs)
[10:12] <Burgundavia> crimsun: I just did apt-get install moodle
[10:13] <jsgotangco> ogra: good idea
[10:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, i agree that its to ltsp centric, feel free to flesh it out if you like :)
[10:15] <crimsun> Burgundavia: right, and when debconf was invoked, which options did you choose?
[10:15] <Burgundavia> crimsun: none, it just died
[10:16] <Burgundavia> you want the full run in a pastebin?
[10:17] <crimsun> Burgundavia: it didn't even ask you which Web server to install?
[10:17] <crimsun> or not necessarily install but use
[10:17] <cbx33> eeek
[10:17] <jsgotangco> ogra: i dont think we need to do   gksudo "update-manager -d" anymore
[10:17] <jsgotangco> as long as -updates are turned on
[10:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, mvo has written upgrade notes 
[10:18] <Burgundavia> crimsun: 14950
[10:18] <ogra> we should either link to them or include parts 
[10:18] <crimsun> bug #14950
[10:18] <Burgundavia> no, pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14950
[10:18] <crimsun> ah
[10:18] <jsgotangco> ogra: you got a link?
[10:19] <crimsun> Burgundavia: ah, beautiful. That's because there's no /etc/apache, but there is /etc/apache2.
[10:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, nope, i only had a draft link, will ask mvo
[10:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes should also be linked
[10:20] <cbx33> ogra: should that one be tagged
[10:20] <cbx33> for the move
[10:20] <jsgotangco> thanks
[10:21] <ogra> cbx33, as long as links from the release notes dont break ...
[10:21] <cbx33> want me to sort it?
[10:22] <cbx33> ogra: links on here https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperReleaseAnnouncement ?
[10:22] <cbx33> oh no sorry
[10:22] <cbx33> whoops
[10:23] <cbx33> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDapperReleaseNotes
[10:23] <cbx33> should be tagged as documentation too
[10:24] <cbx33> the wiki move is today
[10:24] <jsgotangco> squeeee don't edit that page yet! (i have it open)
[10:24] <cbx33> so if it doesn't get tagged to to owrry too much we can port it across later
[10:24] <cbx33> jsgotangco: of course not
[10:24] <jsgotangco> no rush on those pages till they get cleaned
[10:24] <cbx33> highvoltage: me too
[10:24] <cbx33> but I think we shoudl be ok
[10:24] <cbx33> I tried to check all edubuntu stuff for us and tag the relevant parts
[10:25] <cbx33> as I said i coordinated with mdke on it last night
[10:32] <ogra> cbx33, the release announcement can get archived in drupal and get wiped completely off the wiki once we released
[10:35] <cbx33> don;t tag it then :p
[10:35] <cbx33> ok
[10:46] <highvoltage> ogra: i thought about that too, so should we just have it in drupal?
[10:46] <highvoltage> this would mean that the release announcement email needs to be updated
[10:47] <ogra> i think we should have it in the news section
[10:47] <highvoltage> ogra: i've put it in http://www.edubuntu.org/news
[10:47] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm putting it in the news sidebar as soon as the release is made :)
[10:48] <ogra> dont release it yet ;)
[10:49] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you editing?
[10:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: yes
[10:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: and copying to drupal for markup
[10:51] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: do you need to make changes? i suggest you do them in drupal
[10:51] <jsgotangco> hrmmm
[10:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: just give me a few secs to apply markup
[10:52] <jsgotangco> ok delete the wiki afterwards 
[10:55] <jsgotangco> k
[10:56] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok
[11:01] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i removed the line that says 'teasers' and changed it to 'treats'. 'teasers' is an evil strip club chain that's putting up bill boards across south africa
[11:01] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:01] <JaneW> highvoltage: LOL
[11:01] <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/
[11:01] <ogra> ;)
[11:01] <highvoltage> yay!!!
[11:01] <ogra> meh
[11:02] <highvoltage> ogra: congratulations and thank you!
[11:02] <ogra> it still says "desktop CD"
[11:02] <ogra> :/
[11:02] <jsgotangco> :/
[11:02] <ogra> wait a while with the announcement until ubuntu has sent
[11:02] <ogra> (they'll wait for the mirrors to catch up first)
[11:03] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: please check the links as well
[11:03] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: ok
[11:03] <jsgotangco> i think that's already enough 
[11:04] <jsgotangco> (we don't want it to look like a release notes page)
[11:04] <highvoltage> oops, i jumped the gun
[11:04] <crimsun> Burgundavia: almost finished fixing
[11:04] <highvoltage> can everyone help?
[11:04] <highvoltage> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/5
[11:04] <highvoltage> we're checking that the links are correct
[11:04] <Burgundavia> crimsun: sweet. Too bad I need to sleep soon, as it is 2am here
[11:05] <Burgundavia> thanks for your work
[11:05] <jimjimovich2> congrats! Can't wait to start downloading.  We're planning to install our server tomorrow!  Thanks for all your work!
[11:06] <jsgotangco> argghh i forgot to add a paragraph for desktop users
[11:06] <highvoltage> all the links look good to me
[11:07] <jsgotangco> i will just add a paragraph for desktop users to turn on -updates
[11:07] <jsgotangco> (for 5.10)
[11:07] <jsgotangco> or is that still needed?
[11:08] <highvoltage> i don't know. ogra?
[11:09] <ogra> yes, i think so
[11:09] <ogra> mvo could confirm
[11:10] <JaneW> edubuntu is #37 on distrowatch for last 7 days
[11:10] <highvoltage> wow hey
[11:10] <ogra> yeah
[11:10] <JaneW> let's see if we can get edubuntu blogged about and reported on as widely as possible
[11:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: think we can get techtonic to do an edubuntu article?
[11:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: we can let them interview ogra and you etc etc
[11:11] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep. i'll jabber Alastair now :)
[11:11] <highvoltage> yes, consider it done
[11:11] <jsgotangco> a new release is always a happy event for everyone
[11:11] <highvoltage> oh, alastair isn't online atm
[11:11] <JaneW> highvoltage: if he wants to come on here we can let him know whatever he wants
[11:11] <highvoltage> JaneW: as soon as he is, i'll chat to him
[11:11] <JaneW> YAY
[11:11] <jimjimovich2> JaneW: We'll start blogging tomorrow ;)
[11:12] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok
[11:12] <JaneW> jimjimovich2: great thanks
[11:12] <highvoltage> my blog entry will cover edubuntu kubuntu and edubuntu. i'm putting some emphasis on xubuntu though, because their work is also important (and it's important to edubuntu too)
[11:13] <ogra> highvoltage, does it work now ?
[11:13] <highvoltage> ogra: yes. thank God.
[11:13] <highvoltage> ogra: you have no idea how stressed i was last night!
[11:13] <highvoltage> ogra: they also have some non-critical issues
[11:13] <jimjimovich2> highvoltage: is it possible to use xfce (xubuntu) with edubuntu?  We might need something very light for one of our networks
[11:14] <ogra> i did expect janimo to look at the edubuntu seeds first ... should have checked myself :/
[11:14] <highvoltage> ogra: for example, their chroot also gives the ubuntu usplash. and any user can shut down the server!
[11:14] <highvoltage> jimjimovich2: that's a long-term goal of edubuntu (or it might be, at least)
[11:14] <jimjimovich2> highvoltage: ok, good to know
[11:14] <ogra> highvoltage, the usplash is intentional (my bad that we have no configuration options there yet, and a minor glitch)
[11:14] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: i love my gnome
[11:15] <jsgotangco> ogra: is the edbuntu logo replaced by gartoon gnome known?
[11:15] <ogra> highvoltage, sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install edubuntu-artwork-usplash
[11:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i use gnome too, but when you have 20 terminals on a server with 2GB RAM, it's better to have something simple and snappy than something fancy and frustratingly slow :)
[11:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, err, nope
[11:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: bug :)
[11:16] <highvoltage> ogra: thanks for that tip, i'll document it somewhere ;)
[11:16] <ogra> jsgotangco, in fact the edubuntu logo replaces the distributor logo in the gartoon theme
[11:16] <jsgotangco> ogra: it just happened to me now
[11:16] <spacey> hi there
[11:16] <ogra> i dont see how you could get that
[11:16] <jsgotangco> it reverted back to the gartoon gnome logo
[11:16] <jsgotangco> i dunno either
[11:16] <spacey> everybody is going nuts in #ubuntu
[11:16] <spacey> :)
[11:16] <ogra> highvoltage, the shutdown thing is a xubuntu bug...
[11:16] <highvoltage> there's going to be a stampede
[11:16] <spacey> 1008 users. quite funny to watch.
[11:17] <jimjimovich2> spacey: yeah, quite a few more users over there ;)
[11:17] <highvoltage> ogra: i realise that. hence the 'they' have some issues :)
[11:17] <ogra> hooray, we have a realease !
[11:17] <highvoltage> ogra: may i put it in the news block now?
[11:18] <ogra> highvoltage, yep
[11:18] <ogra> and i should grab a copy and mail it ...
[11:18] <highvoltage> ogra: top entry in the news block :)
[11:18] <ogra> :)
[11:18] <spacey> congrats :)
[11:19] <jimjimovich2> great work everyone!
[11:19] <ogra> \o/
[11:19] <jsgotangco> ogra: congrats
[11:19] <JaneW> highvoltage: I think we shouls highlight it right in the front page too
[11:19] <JaneW> don't you think?
[11:19] <JaneW> for a day or week or so at least
[11:20] <JaneW> there will be traffic hitting our site and we want them to see it immediatly and be directed to the download easily
[11:20] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, i'll get on it now
[11:20] <JaneW> TY
[11:20] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:21] <JaneW> jsgotangco: clap clap
[11:21] <jsgotangco> one line would do
[11:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:21] <jimjimovich2> ok, i'll blog too :)
[11:21] <ogra> can you all test the torrents please (no need to download them completely, but check the connection is establishing)
[11:21] <JaneW> http://www.ubuntu.com/ <-yikes!
[11:22] <JaneW> when did that happen?
[11:22] <Burgundavia> JaneW: in the works a while, but last night
[11:22] <JaneW> cool
[11:26] <ogra> mail sent :)
[11:27] <JaneW> ogra: yay
[11:27] <ogra> :)
[11:27] <JaneW> fizzzzzzzzzz
[11:28] <highvoltage> ogra: this must be the first one in days eh?
[11:28] <ogra> days ? 
[11:30] <JaneW> ogra: I hope you have planned some relaxing and recreation for the week-end?
[11:30] <JaneW> you more than deserve it
[11:30] <ogra> indeed i have :)
[11:30] <jimjimovich2> ok, got a fast blog post up :) more to come once I actually get my hands on the release
[11:31] <jsgotangco> cheater!
[11:32] <jimjimovich2> cheater?
[11:32] <cbx33> highvoltage: are you thre?
[11:32] <cbx33> shouldn't there be some kind of difference in the uk address to the rest of the world?
[11:32] <cbx33> currently it says http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/
[11:33] <ogra> meh, to late ...
[11:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: yep
[11:33] <ogra> r.u.c is uk.u.c though
[11:33] <cbx33> ok
[11:33] <cbx33> just checking
[11:33] <cbx33> sorry my irc connection sux today
[11:37] <ogra> any news from the torrent test front ? 
[11:38] <jsgotangco> sorry doing it now
[11:45] <jsgotangco> are there seeds in amd64?
[11:46] <ogra> should be, but i also dont see i386 connecting
[11:46] <jsgotangco> same here
[11:46] <jsgotangco> i think the tracker got loaded too much
[11:50] <JaneW> ogra: I disagree btw
[11:50] <highvoltage> JaneW: how does the edubuntu news items get into distrowatch. do you post them there? or do they pick it up?
[11:50] <JaneW> highvoltage: I was wondering that myself
[11:50] <ogra> JaneW, you disagree ? 
[11:51] <JaneW> I *think* they pick them up
[11:51] <JaneW> ogra: re announcement to e-d
[11:51] <JaneW> *shrug*
[11:51] <JaneW> not going to fight it out though :)
[11:51] <jsgotangco> they pick it up
[11:51] <jsgotangco> along with lwn
[11:51] <highvoltage> ah
[11:52] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: nice blog entry. i like that you've put the cover there too :)
[11:52] <jsgotangco> 10 MINUTES
[11:52] <JaneW> jsgotangco: very nice, I am going to do the same soon
[11:54] <crimsun> Burgwork: fixed, testing locally now before pushing to security-review
[11:54] <JaneW> highvoltage: nice blog post too
[11:55] <highvoltage> JaneW: ty
[11:56] <jsgotangco> ogra: its not connecting on my side for all 3 arches
[11:57] <ogra> yep, same here
[12:02] <highvoltage> the planet effect? <g>
[12:03] <highvoltage> all three arches are fine for me, using the international mirror
[12:08] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: torrent
[12:17] <highvoltage> ah
[12:39] <ogra> JaneW, dont cry, you'll always have a home here and you'll be back one day, i'm sure :)
[12:39] <jimjimovich2> JaneW: got a link?
[12:40] <JaneW> http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/
[12:40] <JaneW> ogra: thanks :)
[12:42] <crimsun> ogra: Is moodle a semi-important package for edubuntu?
[12:42] <ogra> crimsun, not anymore
[12:42] <MysteriousGEGL> JaneW: TIGHTLY
[12:42] <crimsun> k
[12:42] <ogra> we once thought about including it ...
[12:42] <ogra> and you will likely find most of its users in edubuntu
[12:43] <ogra> but i dontr consider it majorly important
[12:43] <JaneW> although you feel like a stranger in that disguise!
[12:43] <crimsun> upon Corey's behest I just spent a couple hours fixing the security and debconf bugs
[12:43] <ogra> crimsun, thats nice anyway ... no matter if we consider it important, thanks a lot ! :)
[12:44] <highvoltage> MysteriousGEGL: hey jerome, why all the mystery? :)
[12:44] <crimsun> np, got to refresh my debconf-fu
[12:44] <ogra> :)
[12:45] <MysteriousGEGL> highvoltage: im going out for some some tex-mex at a nearby mall and i dont want to turn off my work PC
[12:45] <pips1> congrats for the release to everyone!! :-)
[12:46] <spacey> :>
[12:46] <ogra> -> lunch
[12:46] <pips1> bon appetit
[01:23] <highvoltage> ogra: seems like germans love edubuntu... we got 227 hits just from http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/73728 alone this morning :)
[01:25] <highvoltage> make that 231 :)
[01:25] <pips1> highvoltage I'm looking at that very same statistics page as you. I guess we both had the same thought. ;-)
[01:26] <highvoltage> heh :)
[01:26] <pips1> drupal is holding up fine :)
[01:26] <pips1> I'm curious how it behaves under more load...
[01:26] <highvoltage> pips1: guess what, even mhz wants to use drupal now in one of his projects ;)
[01:26] <pips1> wow, cool :-D
[01:28] <pips1> traffic from heise is increasing steadily, hey
[01:28] <highvoltage> yep. from everywhere, it seems :)
[01:30] <spacey> i'm using drupal now as well
[01:30] <highvoltage> spacey: where's your installation?
[01:30] <spacey> www.osso.nl
[01:31] <pips1> hehe, another drupal champ
[01:32] <spacey> finally something that worked like i wanted
[01:32] <spacey> and its really quick and easy
[01:32] <spacey> i like that
[01:32] <highvoltage> spacey: that domain name looks a lot like one of my old domain names: www.ossn.co.za 
[01:34] <spacey> its my company website
[01:35] <ogra> highvoltage, nice :)
[01:36] <spacey> on dapper release party i will probably give a edubuntu presentation/talk. if it doesn't fall on the wrong date
[01:36] <JaneW> why's edubuntu not on http://distrowatch.com/ yet?
[01:37] <ogra> because we had no separate announcement
[01:37] <ogra> i guess
[01:37] <ogra> same as the other news sites
[01:39] <JaneW> ogra: :(
[01:39] <JaneW> ogra: post to e-d please...
[01:39] <JaneW> or let me, I'll take the heat
[01:39] <JaneW> np
[01:39] <ogra> :)
[01:40] <ogra> can you crosspost to edubuntu-users as well ? 
[01:40] <ogra> (i'm about to make it public)
[01:41] <spacey> nice
[01:41] <JaneW> sure
[01:41] <JaneW> although I am not subscribed
[01:41] <ogra> should work since some time
[01:41] <ogra> and you are subscribed
[01:41] <ogra> everybody from -devel is autosubscribed there
[01:42] <JaneW> highvoltage: TY
[01:42] <JaneW> oic
[01:42] <JaneW> heh
[01:44] <highvoltage> ogra: :)
[01:45] <highvoltage> ogra: feel free to add me as list admin, if you want
[01:45] <ogra> will do
[01:45] <highvoltage> ogra: you can use jonathan@edubuntu.org :)
[01:45] <ogra> :)
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[01:47] <kbrooks> why should kids have the ability to modify source code?
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[01:48] <ogra> kbrooks, context ? 
[01:48] <kbrooks> ogra: site
[01:52] <highvoltage> kbrooks: so that they can learn how to contribute back to edubuntu :)
[01:52] <kbrooks> highvoltage: at least python is a easy language
[01:53] <highvoltage> kbrooks: btw, where on the site does it say that kids should have the ability to modify the sourcecode?
[01:53] <kbrooks> highvoltage: it doesn't.
[01:53] <kbrooks> "not only are the tools you need available free of charge, you, and thousands of developers around the world, have the right to modify and build upon your software until it works exactly the way you want it to."
[01:54] <highvoltage> yeah. you have the right to do it. doesn't mean you have to :)
[01:54] <ogra> yeah, isnt that great, you can directly improve the OS in your schools IT programming course ;)
[01:54] <kbrooks> ogra: ;)
[01:54] <highvoltage> *gulp*
[01:54] <highvoltage> edubuntu front page: 70241 reads
[01:54] <ogra> in fact thats a great idea, we should have a howto for teachers wanting to do that
[01:55] <kbrooks> ogra: hmm
[01:55] <highvoltage> it was like, 5000 earlier this week
[01:55] <kbrooks> ogra: dont howtos for edubuntu have to be non-geeky?
[01:55] <ogra> kbrooks, nope, depends on the target audience for the specific howto 
[01:57] <kbrooks> ogra: ah
[01:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: are you going to add a release announcement banner to the front page?
[01:57] <JaneW> highvoltage: heno is doing that for the ubuntu page
[01:57] <highvoltage> JaneW: hmmm... i did... doesn't is show up?
[01:57] <JaneW> cos it should be highlighted for a while
[01:58] <JaneW> no
[01:58] <highvoltage> ah, ok. anonymous users can't see it...
[01:58] <ogra> btw, didnt you want to put up the xubuntu logo ? 
[01:58] <highvoltage> JaneW: will sort out now
[01:58] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i just have to resize it nicely
[01:58] <JaneW> highvoltage: ty
[01:58] <ogra> seems we triggered the same for the ubuntu homepage
[01:58] <ogra> just grab it from there then :)
[01:58] <highvoltage> ogra: the xubuntu logo looks a bit different than the others
[01:59] <ogra> heno is just working on getting it up on w.u.c
[01:59] <JaneW> highvoltage: also I am not sure if I am the only one, but don't *love* the yellow background on the theme
[01:59] <JaneW> ogra: loves yellow :P
[01:59] <ogra> and it reminds on the old ubuntu theme :)
[02:00] <JaneW> esp mustard yellow
[02:00] <JaneW> heh
[02:00] <highvoltage> ogra: there it is now, but i'm not too happy with it
[02:00] <highvoltage> ogra: i'll make it fit in nicer a bit later
[02:00] <ogra> the first ubuntu wiki and homepage had a very yellow backgropund color
[02:00] <jimjimovich2> the site really is looking great.  I remember coming there a few months ago and being very disappointed with the lack of info.  Things are really looking a lot better today.
[02:00] <JaneW> highvoltage: it's a bit big, but otherwise fine
[02:02] <highvoltage> JaneW: yep, that's basically all i need to fix, the size and proportions
[02:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: you should see a text banner at the top now
[02:03] <highvoltage> JaneW: i'll make a nice graphic that we can put up there for the next 3 days or so
[02:03] <highvoltage> up
[02:03] <ogra> we should also make clear somewhere on our page that the edubuntu server falls *not* into the 5 year support category ...
[02:04] <JaneW> highvoltage: yay thanks, can I be demanding and ask for it to have lines arround it?
[02:05] <JaneW> highvoltage: like the copyright stuff at the bottom?
[02:06] <JaneW> highvoltage: at the moment it's easy to ignore it, I'd like it a bit more highlights, line a border or even a background or something
[02:06] <JaneW> a graphic would be nice even
[02:06] <highvoltage> ogra: good point
[02:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: ok
[02:07] <JaneW> tyvm
[02:16] <highvoltage> JaneW: i put a border around it, should help a little...
[02:19] <ogra> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users
[02:19] <ogra> there we are
[02:19] <ogra> and it has already the first mail in the archive :)
[02:19] <highvoltage> excelente
[02:20] <highvoltage> whohoo! i scored first post!
[02:20] <lucasvo> ubuntu release isn't on slashdot?
[02:21] <JaneW> highvoltage: that's great. I am happy :)
[02:21] <JaneW> thank-you
[02:21] <JaneW> love the megaphone too
[02:22] <ogra> highvoltage, is that in gartoon ? 
[02:23] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, it is. i try to keep our icons as gartoony as possible
[02:23] <ogra> hwats it used for ? 
[02:23] <ogra> *what's
[02:24] <highvoltage> ogra: gnome-settings-sound
[02:24] <ogra> heh
[02:24] <highvoltage> (according to the file name, which is gnome-settings-sound.svg)
[02:25] <pygi> ogra, JaneW, you are going to have a cookbook release in like an hour
[02:25] <highvoltage> ogra: whenever i need icons for edubuntu, i just dig through /usr/share/icons/gartoon :)
[02:25] <JaneW> pygi: AWESOME
[02:25] <highvoltage> another thing to announce. yippee!
[02:25] <JaneW> pygi: I will have to do some cooking to celebrate :)
[02:25] <ogra> pygi, i'd like to review it, where is it ?
[02:25] <JaneW> highvoltage: get your megaphone ready
[02:25] <ogra> seems the wiki only has some small parts
[02:25] <pygi> ogra, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Worksheet
[02:27] <pygi> ogra, it's bad, un-full, not really useful, but it's a start :)
[02:27] <ogra> its good as far as i can see
[02:27] <ogra> the HW requirements need to match the CD covers
[02:28] <pygi> ogra, I think they do
[02:28] <ogra> hmm, right, i looked at the client specs, heh
[02:29] <ogra> (we dont have client specs on the CD)
[02:29] <ogra> oh, and cbx33 has some typos in his commands in LTSP management
[02:30] <pygi> ogra, fix them then :)
[02:30] <ogra> tsk, he wrote the manpages for both commands he mistyped
[02:31] <ogra> funnily both of them are repeated in the section below and typed right :)
[02:33] <JaneW> yay edubuntu notice on distrowatch now
[02:34] <pygi> ogra, hehe :)
[02:35] <pygi> ogra, are there going to be any serious changes in Edgy's LTSP?
[02:36] <ogra> i hope so
[02:36] <highvoltage> more hits! yeay!
[02:36] <pygi> You hope so? That's going to make my job harder :(
[02:36] <highvoltage> pygi: if he knows what's good for him
[02:37] <highvoltage> pygi: :)
[02:38] <highvoltage> pygi: ogra has a priority list for ltsp enhancements
[02:38] <ogra> local devices is highest priority
[02:38] <highvoltage> pygi: if he can get that list in for edgy, then i for one would be very, very happy
[02:38] <ogra> but we also might change from ldm to gdm 
[02:38] <pygi> yes, yes,oki :)
[02:38] <highvoltage> and network swap 2nd?
[02:39] <ogra> and the ltsp code itself is just being completely rewritten in debian
[02:39] <ogra> i'll likely base edgy on that code
[02:39] <pygi> ogra, so that would mean current s-c-p won't work?
[02:39] <highvoltage> interesting.
[02:39] <ogra> s-c-p *should* be in main in edgy, but its not near the top of my todo
[02:40] <ogra> in fact i'm hoping for contributors for s-c-p rather than wanting to write it myself
[02:40] <pygi> ogra, no worries about s-c-p development, I'll do that...but I am interested in LTSP changes which will affect it
[02:40] <highvoltage> shame. ogra hasn't even had anough time to recover from this release, and we're already harassing him for functionality :)
[02:40] <ogra> i'm focused on LTSPManager with the time i have for gui work in edgy
[02:41] <ogra> highvoltage, i'm hot to jump on it... 
[02:41] <pygi> ogra, haven't we agreed "ages ago" that I'll do the development?
[02:41] <ogra> i havent even had time to see the changes on ltsp that were worked out at debconf
[02:41] <pygi> (one or two features at least ready for edgy)
[02:41] <ogra> pygi, just do it :)
[02:42] <ogra> its in universe, so take it over and become a MOTU with it ;)
[02:42] <pygi> ogra, ergh, I am not ever a member :)
[02:42] <ogra> so go ahead, we have EC meeting on the 7th ;)
[02:42] <pygi> nah, no need to be member :)
[02:43] <pygi> I wouldnt be accepted :-D
[02:43] <ogra> haha
[02:43] <pygi> Anyway, I can always bug you when I need to upload  new test version :)
[02:44] <ogra> well, the idea in giving away s-c-p into others hands wasnt to have more work :)
[02:44] <pygi> hehe :)
[02:45] <pygi> That wouldnt be hard...I promise I'll bug you about uploading just every second day :)
[02:45] <pygi> no more, no less :P
[02:46] <highvoltage> well, i haven't really done any work work today so far. so i might as well jump in and edubuntu for the rest of the day as well :)
[02:47] <ogra> highvoltage, where was your "education" menu icon, i think about including it in the dapper-updates upload
[02:49] <highvoltage> ogra: that one comes from the crystalsvg icon set, but looks gartoony enough to fit in :)
[02:49] <ogra> yes
[02:49] <highvoltage> i think i found our one from /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/edu_miscellaneous.png
[02:49] <ogra> i just remembered you had a wikipage about it
[02:49] <pygi> (original, unique ones)
[02:49] <ogra> pygi, for the 800MB isos
[02:49] <highvoltage> pygi: excellent :)
[02:50] <highvoltage> wallpapers++
[02:50] <pygi> ogra, hm, we have those?
[02:50] <ogra> no, i was joking
[02:50] <pygi> bah :)
[02:50] <highvoltage> they exist, but you have to use overburn, and buy special media, not all writers support it.
[02:50] <ogra> 700 is the bigges you can get from us
[02:50] <ogra> and that wont change i fear
[02:51] <highvoltage> it will. i gaurantee you.
[02:51] <highvoltage> the isos will get bigger when we eventually switch to DVD's :)
[02:51] <highvoltage> i think it's unlikely that we'll still be distributing CD's by 2008.
[02:51] <highvoltage> by then DVD's should be standard enough.
[02:52] <ogra> well ...
[02:53] <pygi> hey jsgotangco :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:54] <pygi> ogra, anything else you need from me for edgy except the s-c-p?
[02:54] <jsgotangco> thinking of edgy now????
[02:54] <ogra> i havent really thought about edgy yet
[02:54] <ogra> paris will bring the plans :)
[02:54] <pygi> ogra, hm, oki, if you need anything just poke me :)
[02:55] <ogra> but we'll have more concrete stuff after paris
[02:55] <jsgotangco> really this isn't the time to poke about edgy ;)
[02:55] <pygi> ogra, I can write the spec for s-c-p for Paris, if you want to discuss it there with others
[02:55] <jsgotangco> because we're yet to have the crack week in paris
[02:55] <ogra> jsgotangco, what about dapper-backports :)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> weee
[02:55] <ogra> if we're not allowed to talk edgy yet :)
[02:55] <jsgotangco> bring it on heh
[02:56] <ogra> :)
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hmm the art list is really inconsistent 
[02:56] <jsgotangco> a week ago there were a lot of trolling
[02:56] <ogra> now there is viper550
[02:56] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:56] <ogra> that weights it out 
[02:56] <jsgotangco> i was about to say that
[02:56] <jsgotangco> ego boosting heh
[02:57] <ogra> :)
[02:57] <jsgotangco> and our ever reliable Vincent Trouiliez trolling about evolution
[02:58] <ogra> heh
[02:58] <ogra> remind me that we lock him in somewhere once we arrive in paris
[02:58] <ogra> i want him for some BOFs for user management etc
[02:58] <pygi> jsgotangco, we'll have meeting in like two weeks, just so you know :)
[02:58] <ogra> i.e. proper sabayon integration for edubuntu
[02:59] <jsgotangco> is there sabayon-pessulus integration happening?
[02:59] <ogra> no idea
[03:00] <jsgotangco> seems like a sensible idea though
[03:00] <ogra> but i want either of them integrated in next edubuntu
[03:00] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:00] <ogra> or pessulus integration with s-c-p or something like that
[03:00] <ogra> pygi, no need to yet ... thats just random brainstorming 
[03:01] <pygi> ogra, it is nice to have ideas which I can use :)
[03:01] <jsgotangco> we can lock up vuntz as well for pessulus
[03:01] <pygi> are you going to make a spec at paris then or should I assemble one for you so you could discuss it in Paris?
[03:01] <ogra> someone requested a logout timer, that would also be a s-c-p feature i think
[03:01] <ogra> pygi, feel free to prepare one 
[03:02] <pygi> ogra, oki, will do :)
[03:02] <pips1> s-c-p = ?
[03:02] <ogra> jsgotangco, thats what i meant with "locvk him in"
[03:02] <pygi> pips1, student control panel
[03:02] <ogra> pips1, still student control panel ... like last week when you asked ;P
[03:02] <pygi> ogra, lol :)
[03:02] <pips1> ogra huh?
[03:03] <jsgotangco> ogra: Vincent Trouiliez =! Vincent Untz
[03:03] <pips1> that wasn't me, afaik
[03:03] <ogra> or was it the week before ? sorry then :)
[03:03] <pips1> ogra :-P
[03:03] <ogra> jsgotangco, uh. right
[03:03] <ogra> happy release day dude
[03:03] <pips1> yeah :-D
[03:07] <pygi> highvoltage, will we be able to link to cookbook from edubuntu homepage?
[03:09] <pygi> ogra, can we link?
[03:09] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:09] <highvoltage> pygi: of course!
[03:09] <ogra> indeed !
[03:09] <pygi> thanks :)
[03:10] <highvoltage> pygi: ideally, we should have a version of the cookbook inside the site as well
[03:10] <pygi> highvoltage, indeed :)
[03:14] <jsgotangco> heh i just downloaded my first dapper-update
[03:14] <pygi> jsgotangco, joy :)
[03:14] <jsgotangco> heh acpi
[03:15] <jsgotangco> err
[03:15] <jsgotangco> pcmcia-cs rather
[03:15] <ogra> yeah
[03:23] <cbx33> afternoon all
[03:26] <jsgotangco> cbx33: happy dapper day
[03:26] <cbx33> happy dapper day jsgotangco 
[03:29] <jsgotangco> ryan_rousseau: happy dapper day
[03:29] <ryan_rousseau> jsgotangco: =)  Happy dapper day to you, and everyone else
[03:32] <pygi> ryan_rousseau, hey
[03:32] <pygi> LP is behaving to some other people also, not just bzr thingy :-/
[03:34] <cbx33> have they not upgrades the bzr thing yet?
[03:36] <cbx33> so is everyone relaxing today
[03:36] <cbx33> or starting to get ready for edgy
[03:37] <cbx33> I know which one I'm doing :p
[03:37] <pygi> cbx33, preparing cookbook release
[03:37] <jsgotangco> im not doing anything at the moment
[03:38] <pygi> cbx33, o joy :)
[03:38] <pygi> Make a KDE version as well? :)
[03:38] <cbx33> that's the plan
[03:39] <pygi> cbx33, have you separated backend then?
[03:39] <Yagisan> cbx33: does it work with other images my by Wintendo apps ?
[03:39] <Yagisan> s/my/made
[03:39] <pygi> Yagisan, ISO only
[03:40] <cbx33> ISO only at the mo
[03:40] <Yagisan> consider it a feature request ;)
[03:40] <cbx33> cool
[03:41] <cbx33> I'm sure it can be added in
[03:41] <cbx33> I'm just working on the md5sum calculator function
[03:41] <pygi> cbx33, some can, most not
[03:41] <pygi> (not open format)
[03:41] <cbx33> true
[03:46] <jsgotangco> ogra: did i tell you about my visa episode heh
[03:47] <ogra> only about the first part i think, how did it evolve ?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> heh ok, its still unresolved, because the consul asked me to get a visa recommendation letter from the local Frech Trade Commission
[03:48] <jsgotangco> and that agency asks me like 4 documents more
[03:48] <jsgotangco> for a recommendation letter
[03:48] <jsgotangco> the funny thing
[03:48] <jsgotangco> is that the office of visa affairs gives out "Visit France" stickers to anyone coming in and out
[03:48] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: oh no. i'm going tomorrow to server my docs
[03:49] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i need to go back on the 12th to talk to them
[03:49] <jsgotangco> same here
[03:49] <jsgotangco> i call up the trade commission office
[03:49] <jsgotangco> they have an IVR system telling me to visit france
[03:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[03:50] <jsgotangco> i wonder to myself how can i visit france when i can't even get a visa easily despite the documents
[03:51] <pygi> ogra, I am going to release cookbook stuff
[03:52] <jsgotangco> where is it?
[03:52] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters/
[03:53] <jsgotangco> license?
[03:53] <pygi> jsgotangco, usual Ubuntu doc licence?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> dual license strategy, CC by SA, GFDL
[03:54] <jsgotangco> but there's a wiki move to PD so better make that license explicit
[03:54] <jsgotangco> and all authors agree to it
[03:54] <highvoltage> oooh, nice!
[03:54] <pygi> what licence should go there then?
[03:54] <pygi> highvoltage, what? :P
[03:54] <lucasvo> SA sucks
[03:54] <highvoltage> pygi: dual license
[03:54] <pygi> highvoltage, the cookbook is bad if you say thats nice :)
[03:54] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[03:55] <lucasvo> GFDL allows derivates?
[03:55] <Yagisan> PD sucks more
[03:55] <lucasvo> what's PD?
[03:55] <Yagisan> Public Domain
[03:55] <highvoltage> pygi: and your chapters too, of course (sorry reading messages backwards here ;) )
[03:55] <lucasvo> yup
[03:55] <lucasvo> I think CC by is best
[03:55] <lucasvo> because if you have SA people can't change it
[03:56] <pygi> jsgotangco, should I go for CC then?
[03:56] <jsgotangco> yeah its the friendliest
[03:56] <lucasvo> pygi: which one?
[03:56] <pygi> oki, what one exactly?
[03:56] <cbx33> w00t
[03:56] <jsgotangco> should be CC-by-SA imo
[03:56] <pygi> lucasvo, sharealike-noncommercial?
[03:56] <lucasvo> I vote against SA
[03:56] <Yagisan> IIRC the new CC-SA licenses should be more DFSG friendly
[03:56] <jsgotangco> why?
[03:56] <cbx33> gisomount now calcualtes md5sum :D
[03:57] <lucasvo> maybe NC
[03:57] <Yagisan> lucasvo: all or just non-commercial ?
[03:57] <lucasvo> Yagisan: I am not sure about that
[03:57] <cbx33> with a pulsing progress bar and everything
[03:57] <cbx33> :D
[03:57] <jsgotangco> cbx33: playing around with glade eh?
[03:57] <cbx33> ineed
[03:57] <lucasvo> cbx33: where is bzr ?
[03:57] <cbx33> hang on
[03:57] <pygi> when you agree on licence, poke me :)
[03:57] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I'm not in favour of NC, because I like to use my docs to make money (if possible)
[03:57] <cbx33> http://www.progbox.co.uk/gisomount
[03:57] <lucasvo> Yagisan: what do you think?
[03:57] <cbx33> i think
[03:57] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: NC is fine if its all agreed upon by parties
[03:58] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: uh, not good for canonical
[03:58] <jsgotangco> CC-by-SA is the friendliest to both parties (commercial or not)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> Yagisan: yes
[03:58] <cbx33> the md5sum function currently only works on the iso in the first entry box :D
[03:58] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I usually use CC-BY-SA
[03:58] <cbx33> but it's stil indevelopment
[03:58] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: but it doesn't allow derivates
[03:58] <lucasvo> I would make it CC-BY 
[03:59] <cbx33> jsgotangco, this is my first python project 
[03:59] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:59] <cbx33> hey bddebian 
[03:59] <bddebian> Hi cbx33
[04:00] <cbx33> anyone any clue when LP bzr will be updated?
[04:01] <jsgotangco> lucasvo: ok how about attribution 2.5
[04:01] <Yagisan> lucasvo: you don't like CC-BY-SA ?
[04:01] <jsgotangco> you can derive, commercial, but must attribute
[04:01] <lucasvo> yes
[04:01] <lucasvo> I don't like No derivates
[04:02] <jsgotangco> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/
[04:02] <cbx33> ogra, you got a second?
[04:02] <highvoltage> 'no derivatives' is sucky
[04:03] <lucasvo> sorry I misunderstood SA
[04:03] <lucasvo> I agree with SA
[04:04] <pygi> why we want it to be able to used commercialy? :-/
[04:04] <lucasvo> I vote for CC-BY-SA
[04:04] <cbx33> i think
[04:04] <Yagisan> pygi: uh, canonical ? you know those people that pay ogra
[04:04] <jsgotangco> ok that's settled
[04:05] <pygi> Yagisan, heh
[04:05] <Yagisan> pygi: CC-BY-SA is most like the GPL
[04:05] <spacey> right
[04:05] <spacey> thats fine with me as well
[04:05] <ogra> Yagisan, i doubt canonical would print it, but i know some germans that want to translate it and make a printed version
[04:05] <jsgotangco> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/
[04:05] <ogra> cbx33, ?
[04:05] <jsgotangco> ogra: i agree
[04:05] <pygi> ogra, we'll have it printed as well
[04:06] <cbx33> ogra, you mentioned about using the volume label for the mounting in gisomount
[04:06] <highvoltage> saying that people can't use it for commercial purposes, immediately makes it a non-free license.
[04:06] <cbx33> do you have a way of extracing the label from the iso?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: correct
[04:06] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~$ bzr branch http://www.progbox.co.uk/gisomount/ gisomount
[04:06] <lucasvo> [[04:06] <pygi> highvoltage, thats not true
[04:06] <lucasvo> bzr is slow
[04:06] <highvoltage> pygi: yes, it is.
[04:06] <Yagisan> pygi: it is
[04:06] <jsgotangco> pygi: it is
[04:06] <cbx33> lucasvo, indeed it is
[04:06] <ogra> cbx33, i'm sure there is one, buut i wouldnt know more about it ...
[04:06] <spacey> it is!
[04:07] <cbx33> ok
[04:07] <pygi> o joy, so much "it is"
[04:07] <highvoltage> pygi: sorry, I can point you to some FSF docs, if you want?
[04:07] <jsgotangco> don't argue with people who are passionate about licenses heh
[04:07] <ogra> lucasvo, make sure to use 0.8 or newer
[04:07] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: damn straight
[04:07] <lucasvo> ogra: I a 
[04:07] <pygi> highvoltage, no need, I know licences stuff, just ... :)
[04:07] <highvoltage> just?
[04:07] <lucasvo> ogra: what's in dapper isn't good?
[04:07] <lucasvo> ogra: I mean the bzr
[04:07] <ogra> lucasvo, dapper has 0.8
[04:08] <Yagisan> ogra: yes, but you do offer support for it, so best to make sure
[04:08] <lucasvo> jsgotangco: gfdl doesn't have such nice pages afaik
[04:08] <lucasvo> with the cool icons :)
[04:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:08] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: it's the "thou shalt not modify this part" that that makes GFDL non-free to me
[04:09] <pygi> Yagisan, lets put all stuff in public domain then :)
[04:09] <Yagisan> pygi: ah, no
[04:09] <Yagisan> pygi: lets relicense all ubuntu as BSD then
[04:09] <pygi> why not? its ultimate freedom :)
[04:09] <Yagisan> pygi: same thing
[04:09] <pygi> no, BSD is restrictive compared to PD
[04:10] <Yagisan> pygi: it does not work in all countries
[04:10] <Yagisan> pygi: pick a new BSD
[04:10] <pygi> Anyway, I am outvoted
[04:10] <highvoltage> the BY-SA sounds like a good license for nearly any written stuff.
[04:10] <jsgotangco> PD is not recognized in some places
[04:10] <pygi> highvoltage, yes, yes, ok
[04:10] <pygi> so we'll go wit BY-SA
[04:10] <jsgotangco> By-SA is the friendliest IMO
[04:10] <lucasvo> is there also just SA?
[04:10] <highvoltage> it's also the best for technical reasons, imo.
[04:10] <pygi> jsgotangco, care to add licence to main page while I do the announcement?
[04:11] <jsgotangco> pygi: just one line would do (currently talking to someone for a project)
[04:11] <Yagisan> pygi: besides, you really want someone to take your work, claim it is entirely theirs, and sell it ?
[04:11] <cbx33> lucasvo, is it done yet?
[04:11] <Yagisan> lucasvo: yes
[04:11] <pygi> jsgotangco, oki :)
[04:11] <lucasvo> cbx33: no
[04:11] <cbx33> eeek
[04:11] <cbx33> it should be.....is it making any progress?
[04:11] <lucasvo> yes
[04:11] <cbx33> ok
[04:12] <ogra> cbx33, did you bzr 0.8 to create that repo ? 
[04:12] <cbx33> I'm pretty sure i did
[04:13] <cbx33> it has knits anyway
[04:13] <ogra> ok
[04:13] <cbx33> cos LP doesn;t pick it up
[04:13] <cbx33> :)
[04:13] <pygi> jsgotangco, hopefully you are happy now :P
[04:14] <jsgotangco> pygi: this is not me being, happy, this is making sure what we release is acceptable to people
[04:14] <jsgotangco> EEEKKKK
[04:14] <jsgotangco> what's that big orange text in the ubuntu website
[04:15] <Yagisan> OMG! we waz hacked :-P
[04:15] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: it's big orange text
[04:16] <cbx33> it's breaks a little here too
[04:16] <spacey> god thats ugly
[04:16] <cbx33> when the history bar is open
[04:16] <cbx33> on 1024x768
[04:16] <spacey> but i like that catogory stuff 
[04:16] <cbx33> yes
[04:17] <Yagisan> probably made by the edubuntu kindy testers
[04:17] <Yagisan> :-P
[04:17] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: it looks so dapper..and out of place
[04:17] <lucasvo> yes
[04:18] <cbx33> I think in the blurb below they should have xplain LTS a little more
[04:18] <highvoltage> ew, THAT text!? i haven't seen that before. ew!
[04:18] <jsgotangco> it ate a quarter of browser space
[04:18] <jsgotangco> let's post this to ubuntu-art heh
[04:18] <highvoltage> and here i was afraid that the edubuntu site might not look mature enough
[04:18] <ogra> heh
[04:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: mhuhahahaha
[04:19] <Yagisan> you mean it really wasn't made for the kids =-O
[04:19] <cbx33> i think desktop and server should have been photos
[04:19] <highvoltage> why didn't they use the ubuntu font? that font is AWFUL
[04:20] <cbx33> The following packages have been kept back:
[04:20] <cbx33>   bzr eject libpam-runtime mozilla-thunderbird
[04:20] <cbx33> how can i get it to update bzr?
[04:20] <ogra> nope
[04:20] <ogra> not directly ... 
[04:20] <ogra> fabbione runs one
[04:20] <bddebian> I was looking on sleaze-bay at Sparcs yesterday :-(
[04:20] <Yagisan> ah, then nevermind
[04:21] <ogra> i'd like to have one for ltsp development :)
[04:21] <bddebian> heh
[04:26] <lucasvo> I don't really like the term "Ubuntu Member"
[04:26] <ogra> hmm, do we have the dvd in the website download section already ? 
[04:26] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/6.06/release/
[04:26] <highvoltage> ogra: i might be able to send you one, i'll investigate tomorrow :)
[04:27] <ogra> highvoltage, nah, i'm intrested in the server side :)
[04:27] <highvoltage> ok
[04:27] <lucasvo> because then people think not being a member means not being part of the community
[04:27] <ogra> i actually have space for a little datacenter in the new house :)
[04:27] <bddebian> Nice
[04:28] <ogra> so my old spare 19" cabinet wants to be filled
[04:30] <ogra> have fun
[04:30] <cbx33> JaneW, nice :p
[04:30] <bddebian> Hentai?
[04:30] <JaneW> haha
[04:31] <cbx33> :p
[04:31] <JaneW> bddebian: maybe later :P
[04:31] <bddebian> hehe
[04:31] <cbx33> you naughty boy
[04:31] <cbx33> and just what do you use Ubuntu for eh....
[04:31] <bddebian> I will never tell :_)
[04:32] <rousseau_> jsgotangco: not sure if you got my last message, the network here is acting up.  But I believe my specs are ready for your review, whenever you have time.  But now I am off to have some stitches removed.
[04:33] <highvoltage> JaneW: there are actually v-box classes? i don't think they have that at my v-active.
[04:34] <JaneW> highvoltage: yes, it's cool!
[04:35] <jsgotangco> eewwk ryan left
[04:36] <jsgotangco> yeah i have those specs in my todo later
[04:36] <pygi> jsgotangco, saw the announcement?
[04:38] <jsgotangco> pygi: just saw it thanks
[04:39] <highvoltage> Yagisan: if you're like my friends, then hentai = anime porn
[04:39] <jsgotangco> actually
[04:40] <jsgotangco> that's a very big misnomer
[04:40] <jsgotangco> some associate hentai with tentacles heh
[04:40] <highvoltage> heh
[04:42] <bddebian> ugh?
[04:43] <lucasvo> is the fridge down?
[04:43] <highvoltage> all the ubuntu sites are very, very slow :/
[04:43] <ogra> indeed
[04:44] <ogra> its release day
[04:44] <ogra> the lines to the datacenter are glowing
[04:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:44] <highvoltage> yay!
[04:44] <jsgotangco> good think i rsynced earlier
[04:44] <highvoltage> good thing i debmirrored the entire i386 main multiverse and universe yesterday :)
[04:45] <highvoltage> (through our apt-proxy, of course, which contained a huge amount of those packages)
[04:45] <jsgotangco> jeezz my 4 year old just said "oh my god its ubuntu"
[04:45] <highvoltage> hehe
[04:45] <Yagisan> heh
[04:46] <Yagisan> mine 2 year old came out with her first full sentence today
[04:46] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: i'm going to have to blog that
[04:46] <jsgotangco> she knows the difference between ubuntu and windows
[04:47] <ogra> jsgotangco, tsk
[04:47] <Yagisan> it's not hard. windows = blue screen, ubuntu = colours ;)
[04:47] <ogra> she should have said edubuntu
[04:47] <bddebian> heh
[04:48] <ogra> :)
[04:48] <jsgotangco> ogra: i actually had her say that before and made it a startup sound
[04:48] <cbx33> ogra, I've done it
[04:48] <cbx33> :D
[04:48] <cbx33> I can now read iso file names :D
[04:49] <cbx33> volume labels 
[04:49] <highvoltage> Yagisan: vista will be 40% bluer than Kubuntu: http://photos.jonathancarter.co.za/misc/windows_vista
[04:49] <cbx33> so your bug will be fixed soon
[04:49] <ogra> ah, nice :)
[04:49] <cbx33> Yagisan, i used to play quake with my little sister
[04:51] <jsgotangco> we have 2 nintendo DS at home, me and my daughter play Nintendogs
[04:51] <Yagisan> cbx33: yeah, but I doubt she is 2, and I have full models, gore, screams of pain etc
[04:52] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:52] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: where did you get that?
[04:53] <Yagisan> highvoltage: looks just like it did when I tried longhorn
[04:53] <cbx33> Yagisan, hehe
[04:53] <cbx33> ogra, can i pass variables to a class constructor?
[04:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: she loves it. map01 in about 6 minutes on ultra violence
[04:53] <cbx33> yikes 
[04:53] <Yagisan> cbx33: just get the  chainsaw and she will do it
[04:54] <cbx33> Yagisan, on map02, I've forgotten how to to the secret door at the back of the round armour room
[04:54] <Yagisan> cbx33: but pistol only she runs out of ammo and the imps get her
[04:54] <Yagisan> cbx33: doom1 or doom2 ?
[04:54] <cbx33> 1
[04:55] <cbx33> oh
[04:55] <cbx33> or is it map 01 of doom2
[04:55] <Yagisan> cbx33: I've forgotten that one :(
[04:55] <Yagisan> cbx33: in doom2 next to the red key, press "use" against the walls, one opens
[04:55] <Yagisan> jsgotangco: great :)
[04:56] <cbx33> it's map01 of doom2
[04:56] <cbx33> can someone give me 2 secs of help
[04:56] <Yagisan> how about you ogra, feel like relaxing by testing a game ?
[04:56] <cbx33> how do i pass variables to class constructor?
[04:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: sorry, NFC.
[04:57] <cbx33> in python
[04:57] <cbx33> oop
[04:57] <cbx33> i got it
[04:59] <cbx33> oooh
[04:59] <cbx33> hmmm
[04:59] <cbx33> could i 
[04:59] <cbx33> ?
[04:59] <Yagisan> it doesn't seem to work to well over the net, compared to lan
[04:59] <cbx33> yes i can
[05:00] <cbx33> Yagisan, want a game over the net?
[05:00] <Yagisan> cbx33: love to, but, I'm actually washing my little girl in the bath (actually, I'm 5 feet away watching her, but still)
[05:01] <Yagisan> cbx33: I will ping you shortly though it you still can
[05:01] <cbx33> I'd die in an instant but it'd be fun
[05:01] <cbx33> sure
[05:01] <Yagisan> s/it/sf
[05:01] <cbx33> I used to be a pretty good CS player
[05:01] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'd do co-op. I'm rusty
[05:01] <cbx33> w00t
[05:02] <Yagisan> max is 16 players, but that is deathmatch. otherwise 4 dor doom/heretic and 8 hexen
[05:06] <Yagisan> cbx33: what would like to play ?
[05:06] <Yagisan> doom/doom2/heretic/hexen/tnt/plutonia ?
[05:06] <cbx33> doom2
[05:07] <cbx33> gimme 2 mins
[05:08] <Yagisan> cbx33: that's ok. just wanted to know what I should host
[05:11] <cbx33> Yagisan, just gotta do the washing up
[05:11] <cbx33> I'll ping you when I'm done
[05:12] <cbx33> lucasvo, incase you're interested
[05:12] <cbx33> gisomount has just been updated
[05:12] <cbx33> and now tells you the volume label when you mount an iso
[05:16] <cbx33> LP is sllooowww
[05:28] <jsgotangco> well good night everyone
[05:28] <jsgotangco> and happy dapper day again
[05:29] <Yagisan> night jsgotangco
[05:29] <bddebian> Gnight jsgotangco
[05:41] <cbx33> Yagisan, I'll be back circa 5 minutes
[05:41] <cbx33> :p
[05:41] <cbx33> that good for you?
[05:54] <Yagisan> cbx33: now should be ok for a quick test
[05:55] <Yagisan> cbx33: in theory the lobby would work and show you what system to connect to. in practice it doesn't
[05:56] <Yagisan> cbx33: to in the console (press ~ for that) typing connect 60.240.85.239 should connect you
[05:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'll have it up for a few minutes, and if you can't connect, I'll shut it down
[05:57] <Yagisan> cbx33: loading now.
[06:03] <cbx33> ok
[06:03] <cbx33> I'm trying now
[06:03] <cbx33> :(
[06:03] <cbx33> it died
[06:05] <cbx33> SDLMixer: ERROR: /etc/timidity/timidity.cfg: No such file or directory
[06:05] <cbx33> **ERROR** Cl_HandlePlayerInfo: console:0 name:YAGISAN
[06:05] <cbx33> Cl_HandlePlayerInfo: console:1 name:Player
[06:05] <cbx33> psv_sync: gameTime=86.590
[06:05] <cbx33> Doomsday 1.9.0-beta4 Server (R6)
[06:05] <cbx33> Cl_Frame2Received: Unknown delta type 35.
[06:05] <cbx33> Z_Shutdown: Used 1 volumes, total 33554432 bytes.
[06:06] <cbx33> ping Yagisan 
[06:09] <Yagisan> cbx33: crap
[06:09] <cbx33> is it because I'm still using the older version?
[06:09] <cbx33> if so I just need a bit of help on how to upgrade
[06:09] <Yagisan> cbx33: nah, I emailed you beta4, and it's compatible back to 1.8.6
[06:09] <cbx33> ok
[06:10] <cbx33> sorry i broke it
[06:10] <cbx33> do you know what the problem is?
[06:11] <Yagisan> cbx33: you didn't break it, and no I have no idea
[06:11] <cbx33> ok
[06:13] <Yagisan> cbx33: hmm. it's not just *NIX either.
[06:13] <pips1> cbx33 Yagisan hey guys you are shure making me feel nostalgic ;-)
[06:14] <pips1> good luck with getting your doom session up and running 
[06:14] <Yagisan> pips1: I'm sure you've never seen doom the way we play it :)
[06:14] <cbx33> hehe
[06:14] <pips1> heh
[06:15] <Yagisan> pips1: the quicker I can get the raven code re-written, the quicker it gets into ubuntu
[06:15] <pips1> do you have a theme going?
[06:15] <pips1> let me guess, simpsons?
[06:15] <Yagisan> pips1: no, I'll get you a screenie
[06:16] <pips1> great
[06:16] <Yagisan> pips1: it's an old screenie http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/uf/ss/doom2-023.jpg
[06:16] <Yagisan> pips1: but it's gives you the gist of it
[06:17] <Yagisan> pips1: fps is much higher now in 1.9.0beta4
[06:17] <cbx33> Yagisan, i still can't get to your host
[06:17] <Yagisan> cbx33: that is seriously odd
[06:17] <cbx33> yeup
[06:18] <cbx33> and now i can
[06:18] <Yagisan> cbx33: I'm tying from that host
[06:18] <Yagisan> s/tying/typing
[06:18] <cbx33> yeh it got there this time
[06:19] <pips1> aaarg
[06:19] <cbx33> pips1, y are you on windows at all :)
[06:19] <Yagisan> penance ?
[06:20] <cbx33> heheh
[06:20] <pips1> I haven't come around to getting wmware up and running.... and I need to test website with msie :-(
[06:20] <cbx33> pips1, install ubuntu and have windows as the vmware :p
[06:21] <Yagisan> pips1: MSIE (usually) works in wine
[06:21] <cbx33> vmware is piece of cake to get working
[06:21] <cbx33> true
[06:21] <pips1> ah, good to know
[06:21] <Yagisan> yeah, it's even better when you realise 5.0 keys work for 5.5 :)
[06:21] <Yagisan> but my amd64 isn't supported for running 64bit guests :(
[06:23] <Yagisan> pips1: like the screenie ?
[06:24] <cbx33> Yagisan, that sux
[06:24] <cbx33> I was all geared up to play doom
[06:24] <pips1> Yagisan nice
[06:25] <Yagisan> cbx33: that sux is an understatement. It's http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1496666&group_id=74815&atid=542099 if you'd like to help
[06:25] <Yagisan> cbx33: the network code is all gpl
[06:25] <cbx33> I'd be lost
[06:25] <Yagisan> cbx33: AFAIK we have the only client-sever network code in any doom game
[06:26] <cbx33> wana try it on normal doom
[06:26] <Yagisan> cbx33: me too, that's why I don't touch it :-[
[06:26] <cbx33> just to confirm it's not a wad issue
[06:26] <pips1> gotta go, have fun folks
[06:27] <Yagisan> cbx33: it's probably not, but sure. I'll host again. doomu.wad
[06:27] <cbx33> :D
[06:27] <Yagisan> cbx33: loading now
[06:27] <cbx33> ok
[06:27] <cbx33> same coomand?
[06:27] <Yagisan> cbx33: suggest adding -texcomp to your startup line
[06:27] <Yagisan> cbx33: yes
[06:28] <cbx33> ok
[06:30] <cbx33> :(
[06:30] <cbx33> ok so it;s not a wad issue
[06:31] <cbx33> Yagisan, could it be my firewall?
[06:33] <Yagisan> cbx33: nope
[06:33] <cbx33> :(
[06:33] <Yagisan> mail me the Doomsday.out file
[06:33] <cbx33> grrRRRAT 
[06:33] <cbx33> where do i find it?
[06:34] <Yagisan> the directory you ran doomsday
[06:34] <cbx33> hey ogra 
[06:35] <Yagisan> ogra: hey
[06:35] <Yagisan> ogra: looking for some fun and excitement ? bored of working on productivity applications ? Have I got the job for you
[06:36] <cbx33> Yagisan, give it up ;)
[06:36] <ogra> hah, i'm just running around here and update all my systems to dapper :)
[06:36] <cbx33> ogra, take a break man
[06:36] <cbx33> you deserve it
[06:36] <ogra> but i want the new and shiny !
[06:37] <cbx33> ogra, you can have the new any shiny later
[06:37] <cbx33> relax man you've earned it
[06:37] <Yagisan> cbx33: oh well. no gaming tonight them, we'll try again with a new svn
[06:37] <cbx33> hehe
[06:37] <cbx33> ok Yagisan 
[06:37] <cbx33> oh dear
[06:38] <cbx33> ogra, I hope to have your feature implemented by the end of today
[06:38] <cbx33> if not early tomorrow....not that you are really needing that quick a responce
[06:39] <Yagisan> but the good news is dapper seems shiny and nice (thank god the scim icon was reverted, the new one didn't look like a keyboard at all)
[06:40] <cbx33> heh
[06:40] <Yagisan> cbx33: my wife could find where to change languages
[06:41] <Yagisan> one the old icon came back
[06:41] <Yagisan> s/one/once
[06:41] <Yagisan> cbx33: if I type this bad, you can imagine how I play
[06:41] <cbx33> heheh
[06:42] <Yagisan> ogra: dapper flight ltsp chroots, upgrade or recreate  ?
[06:43] <ogra> as you like ...
[06:43] <Yagisan> ogra: no big changes like breezy -> dapper ?
[06:43] <ogra> both will work, might be that some services wont respect being switched off
[06:44] <ogra> so you'll have some minor clutter in the chroot if you upgrade, but nothing to worry abput
[06:47] <lucasvo> ogra: will local apps be supported in edgy?
[06:47] <ogra> not on my plan, but patches gratefully accepted :)
[06:49] <lucasvo> ogra: how would you do it?
[07:33] <pips1> woah those servers are slooow (including the edubuntu site)
[07:33] <lucasvo> yes
[07:33] <lucasvo> I am trying to read the wiki but it's almost impossible
[07:34] <lucasvo> that sucks
[07:34] <lucasvo> they should have some mirrors
[07:34] <pips1> hmm
[07:35] <highvoltage> or limit downloads, at least
[07:36] <pips1> bittorrent 5.6 of 697.8 MB at 9.10 KB/s
[07:36] <pips1> :(
[07:38] <lucasvo> pips1: I am uploading with 40kbit
[07:38] <lucasvo> 800mb shared
[07:39] <highvoltage> i'm copying the entire i386 archive from a usb disk to my home server :)
[08:07] <lucasvo> not good
[08:07] <lucasvo> I just did a fresh install
[08:07] <lucasvo> and ltsp failed
[08:07] <lucasvo> Target file system doesn't have /sbin/init
[08:07] <lucasvo> ogra: 
[08:08] <juliux> hi lucasvo 
[08:08] <lucasvo> hi juliux!
[08:08] <juliux> lucasvo, sounds like a nfs error
[08:08] <lucasvo> juliux: yes
[08:09] <lucasvo> mount: nfsmount failed: Bad file descriptor
[08:09] <highvoltage> lucasvo: hmmm... someone had the same problem this morning, and they restarted the server, and it worked
[08:09] <juliux> lucasvo, add next-server <ip>; to /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[08:09] <highvoltage> lucasvo: can you try to restart that server and client, and see if it does the same?
[08:09] <ogra> juliux, NO !
[08:09] <juliux> ogra, why not? it works
[08:09] <ogra> next-server is explicitly disabled in ubuntu
[08:09] <highvoltage> although, their error was nfsmount failed: Permission denied
[08:09] <juliux> ogra, sine which date?
[08:10] <ogra> and it might break in the future
[08:10] <highvoltage> juliux: since always :)
[08:10] <juliux> highvoltage, hm but ogra said to me that i have to add it 
[08:10] <lucasvo> it's an RDP error
[08:10] <juliux> highvoltage, because my thinclients didnt boot
[08:10] <lucasvo> I mean RPC
[08:10] <ogra> juliux, yes, during a period of 2 weeks in dapper
[08:10] <ogra> before i found the time to disable it
[08:10] <juliux> ok
[08:11] <lucasvo> mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused
[08:12] <ogra> your portmapper doesnt let you connect
[08:12] <lucasvo> the services weren't running
[08:12] <lucasvo> don't ask me why
[08:14] <ogra> well, the nfs server gets started at the end of ltsp-build-client, did it finish properly ? 
[08:14] <lucasvo> Cleaning up startup links in rcS.d ...
[08:14] <lucasvo> Cleaning up startup links in init levels: 2 3 4 5 ... * Re-exporting directories for NFS kernel daemon...                                                                                                  [ ok ] 
[08:14] <lucasvo> Removing `local diversion of /sbin/start-stop-daemon to /sbin/start-stop-daemon.distrib'
[08:14] <lucasvo> lucasvo@supernova:~/Desktop/mercury/media/docbook/subscription_box$ sudo ltsp-update-ssh-keys
[08:15] <lucasvo> when I am on the thin client and I set the Display variable correctly, can I run Xclock manually?
[08:16] <ogra> ltsp-update-sshkeys you mean i hope
[08:16] <lucasvo> ogra: I corrected it afterwards ;)
[08:16] <ogra> ok
[08:16] <ogra> but obviously the nfs server was started 
[08:22] <lucasvo> mhz: saying backin30min is not useful for people not knowing when you went away :)
[08:22] <cbx33> hi mhz 
[08:22] <mhz> lucasvo: hehehe
[08:22] <lucasvo> rather say backat20_22
[08:22] <mhz> cbx33: hey there!
[08:22] <cbx33> good job on the old spam killing :P
[08:22] <lucasvo> mhz: I don't care but anywa
[08:22] <cbx33> lucasvo, you tried gisomount yet?
[08:22] <cbx33> it's been updated again
[08:22] <cbx33> :D
[08:22] <mhz> CONGRATULATIONS to the Edubuntu team people and contributors!
[08:23] <ogra> thanks :)
[08:23] <mhz> you earned it
[08:23] <cbx33> ogra are you resting yet?
[08:23] <ogra> how was your meeting with the journalists ?
[08:23] <lucasvo> cbx33: just making a pull
[08:23] <cbx33> :P
[08:23] <lucasvo> crap I need to reopen the bug
[08:23] <mhz> lucasvo: i take your point
[08:24] <mhz> ogra: we had to move it for tuesday :)
[08:24] <mhz> :(
[08:24] <ogra> oh
[08:24] <cbx33> at elast it didn't just get cancelled
[08:24] <mhz> ogra: I had 'murphy' visitng the Lab :(
[08:24] <cbx33> oooh
[08:24] <cbx33> thank you lucasvo 
[08:24] <highvoltage> oooh! chocolate!
[08:24] <cbx33> hey highvoltage 
[08:24] <mhz> lucasvo: even edubuntu-girl?
[08:25] <highvoltage> juliux: btw, do you still have that server space for edubuntugirl?
[08:25] <cbx33> they reckon it'll get up to 23 degrees celcius here tomorrow :D
[08:25] <juliux> highvoltage, sure
[08:25] <juliux> highvoltage, your account should work
[08:25] <mhz> highvoltage: hey mon. I finally could set a 6 clients - 1 server lab.
[08:25] <highvoltage> juliux: would you mind giving a mysql database for that, and install some extra perl modules?
[08:25] <cbx33> we had 9 clients off one laptop once :p
[08:25] <juliux> highvoltage, sure
[08:26] <highvoltage> juliux: i lost my login details :(
[08:26] <cbx33> tut tut
[08:26] <highvoltage> could you /msg it to me please?
[08:26] <mhz> highvoltage: I ran ooo in all 6, then Gimp, then Firefox with one real heavy url: nesotream.com
[08:26] <pips1> highvoltage, where is ubuntugirl now?
[08:26] <juliux> highvoltage, i will reset your password
[08:26] <cbx33> mhz, nice
[08:26] <highvoltage> pips1: she's on holiday
[08:26] <mhz> highvoltage: it was so fun to see how the net died :D
[08:26] <highvoltage> mhz: great! :)
[08:26] <mhz> cbx33: it all got stuck after 5 secs of loading that url :D
[08:26] <pips1> hehe
[08:26] <lucasvo> hm, is the old bugzilla still online somewhere?
[08:27] <cbx33> hehe
[08:27] <lucasvo> a bug has been closed there but it was wrong
[08:27] <lucasvo> it still exist
[08:28] <lucasvo> what should I do?
[08:28] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[08:28] <lucasvo> create a new one in LP?
[08:28] <pips1> lucasvo, bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[08:28] <mhz> so, tomorrow, I'll meet 5 people who will beta-test Dapper while we have a meeting about FET. So, instead of a projector, we'll see OOO impress running on each client :D
[08:28] <pips1> but use LP instead
[08:29] <mhz> ogra: I did translate the newsletter today morning (finished today), sorry I had not time to finish it on time :(
[08:29] <highvoltage> mhz: dapper is way beyound beta testing :)
[08:29] <mhz> the good thing is spanish pseakers did get it :)
[08:30] <mhz> highvoltage: heheh, yeah, and I am a python master :D
[08:30] <lucasvo> ogra: is the ltsp thin client using different Xserver than normal fat clients?
[08:30] <mhz> highvoltage: no seriously, they gotta see bythemselves
[08:30] <cbx33> mhz, a python master eh?
[08:30] <mhz> cbx33: lol
[08:31] <mhz> cbx33: my whole knowledge about python is..    $ python
[08:31] <mhz> and Ctrl + D
[08:31] <ogra> lucasvo, nope
[08:31] <mhz> highvoltage: once they see it, I'll be 'allowed' to invite the journalists
[08:32] <pips1> mhz, is that the timetabling app you are demonstrating?
[08:32] <pips1> FET
[08:32] <mhz> is anyone running sabayon?
[08:32] <cbx33> no
[08:33] <mhz> pips1: hmm, nope. Feria de Educacion y Tecnlogia libre
[08:33] <highvoltage> cbx33: i'm sure someone is
[08:33] <mhz> FET Libre 2006
[08:33] <pips1> ic
[08:33] <cbx33> highvoltage, :p
[08:33] <highvoltage> :p
[08:33] <lucasvo> cbx33: there are even edubuntu ltsp related bug reports with sabayon :P
[08:33] <mhz> highvoltage: ever run sabayon?
[08:34] <cbx33> lucasvo, I know that
[08:34] <highvoltage> mhz: very briefly, yes. i've been wanting to look at it deeper for a while
[08:35] <lucasvo> but I first have to understand how X works
[08:35] <cbx33> right I'm off
[08:35] <highvoltage> ogra: according to the drupal logs, we had 341 referers today from distrowatch :)
[08:35] <highvoltage> mhz: good luck
[08:35] <lucasvo> highvoltage: cool
[08:36] <lucasvo> the page design is cool
[08:36] <highvoltage> it needs lots of work still, but i'm farely pleased with it.
[08:36] <mhz> highvoltage: i ran sabayon in a 500 mhz celeron + 256 MB of ram... it literally froze :( so I got not beyond a homies wallpaper.
[08:36] <lucasvo> http://www.ubuntu.com/htdocs/uweb/menu/ubuntu-def.png
[08:36] <highvoltage> i'll even go as far to suggest that it's nicer than ubuntu.com and kubuntu.org. :)
[08:37] <lucasvo> that sucks
[08:37] <highvoltage> yeah, it doesn't look nice
[08:38] <lucasvo> highvoltage: it is not very accessible :(
[08:38] <mhz> highvoltage: any chance we could work closer to producing edubuntu light or 'something' with Xfce as default and GNOME as an option?
[08:39] <lucasvo> mhz: I would be interested as well
[08:39] <lucasvo> but I don't have much time
[08:39] <lucasvo> jsgotangco  Thu, 2006  06  01 07:12
[08:39] <mhz> lucasvo: but it would be, edubuntu ltsp, not LTSP server + edubuntu workstation :D
[08:39] <lucasvo> one should remove that
[08:40] <lucasvo> mhz: ?
[08:41] <mhz> lucasvo: i mean, end-users would install edubuntu-server instead of apt-getting a standard ltsp env.
[08:41] <lucasvo> mhz: yeah I am fine with this
[08:42] <mhz> :)
[08:42] <lucasvo> mhz: but why server?
[08:42] <lucasvo> one could make it universal
[08:42] <lucasvo> also for the desktop
[08:42] <mhz> hmmmm
[08:42] <lucasvo> just add a meta package edubuntu-light
[08:42] <highvoltage> mhz: there's a big demand for an edubuntu with xfce. we'll probably talk about that in paris.
[08:43] <mhz> at least my focus is end-teachers lab managers
[08:43] <mhz> with older/less powerful machines
[08:44] <mhz> lucasvo: that can be a choice, indeed. However, at least in latinamerica, we ned to ship edubuntu CDs for lighter servers
[08:45] <lucasvo> cbx33: gisomount is cool
[08:45] <mhz> and as I know highvoltage seems to have similar needs,..
[08:45] <lucasvo> it worked without problems
[08:45] <lucasvo> cbx33: but I it doesn't display the label
[08:45] <mhz> highvoltage: please do talk about it
[08:45] <lucasvo> it says vcdrom`
[08:46] <pips1> hey highvoltage, I didn't know you wipped up the xubuntu site, you wizkid! :)
[08:47] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: oh, if that is so... nice work on xubuntu.org
[08:47] <Burgwork> mhz_Food, sabayon has not been profiled. Written in python and I imagine they accept patches
[08:47] <mhz_Food> Burgwork: hmm, sorry.. could you rephrase? /me had trouble understanding the "has not been profiled"
[08:48] <lucasvo> highvoltage: you did it?
[08:48] <pips1>   <meta name="AUTHOR" content="Jonathan Carter" />
[08:48] <pips1>   <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Vim (Yes RMS, the free one)" />
[08:48] <highvoltage> pips1: it's just a static html page, they're going to get a nice drupal one too, soon :)
[08:48] <Burgwork> mhz_Food, optimized for memory and CPU usage
[08:48] <highvoltage> ah yes, an easter egg. I leave them everywhere :)
[08:48] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: and a Moin ?
[08:48] <highvoltage> hey mhz_Food, i thought you were going to try out drupal too :)
[08:49] <mhz_Food> Burgwork: oh, i get it now. Thx. Now I unserstand why it took so long
[08:49] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: yeah, I am using it in other sites where there is a php sys adim 24/7
[08:49] <Burgwork> mhz_Food, no worries. You are doing wel
[08:50] <highvoltage> mhz_Food: where did you see i did xubuntu.org? or did you also look at page source?
[08:50] <highvoltage> mhz_Food: yes, we need to talk more about old hardware. many people don't know what old hardware can still do.
[08:50] <mhz_Food> you don't usually do Ctrl + U ?
[08:51] <highvoltage> yep, ctrl+u = view page source :)
[08:51] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: yup, and it is a ver diff world of possibilities
[08:52] <highvoltage> :(
[08:52] <mhz_Food> we could have had the chance to discuss all this stuff
[08:52] <highvoltage> mhz_Food: next year :)
[08:53] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: yeah, if mark does not change dates again and we get sponsorship again from our Gob. :)
[08:53] <highvoltage> mhz_Food: i'm sure it will go better next time
[08:53] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: however, my goal is to have smething to show by edgy
[08:54] <pips1> talking about meetings, will there be a 'edubuntu summit no. 2' ?
[08:54] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: so I'd appreciate if we could talk about this sooner ;)
[08:54] <mhz_Food> highvoltage: I can even use the RecicLab wiki for it
[08:55] <highvoltage> mhz_Food: ok, i understand
[08:55] <highvoltage> pips1: there's a meeting in paris later this month
[08:55] <highvoltage> pips1: they announced it on ubuntu-announce
[08:56] <pips1> I'm aware of the paris dev meeting
[08:56] <pips1> that's the whole ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu/xubuntu big bunch, right?
[08:56] <highvoltage> yep. a real big bunch that
[08:56] <pips1> :)
[08:57] <pips1> a focussed edubuntu would be nice, too
[08:57] <pips1> edubuntu meeting, i meant
[08:57] <pips1> with educators...
[08:57] <highvoltage> yeah. in the end, it's all ubuntu though.
[08:58] <highvoltage> yes, this gathering will be more technical.
[08:58] <pips1> what a quote! :)
[08:58] <highvoltage> would be nice to have a session with educators again.
[08:58] <pips1> "in the end, it's all ubuntu" (pom pom pom pom ta tatataaaa)
[08:58] <pips1> :)
[09:00] <highvoltage> hehe. now i know which song you're talking about
[09:00] <highvoltage> i think it's called Also Spracht Zara Sustra (or something like that)
[09:00] <pips1> close! :)
[09:02] <pips1> Also Sprach Zarathustra
[09:02] <highvoltage> my father told me from last time we watched that movie. i'm surprised i remember it :)
[09:02] <pips1> highvoltage, good memory!
[09:03] <pips1> :)
[09:03] <highvoltage> i'm good at remembering all kinds of useless stuff. but when i actually want to remember something.. it never works :(
[09:04] <pips1> can't be that bad
[09:04] <highvoltage> well, i got 14% for a history test once
[09:04] <pips1> oops
[09:05] <pips1> my worst score was in (swiss) geography
[09:05] <highvoltage> geography was my second worse subject
[09:05] <pips1> hehe
[09:06] <highvoltage> luckily i only had to do geography and history until standard 7.
[09:07] <pips1> now all you do is graphics and stories
[09:07] <pips1> :)
[09:07] <pips1> ok, I admit, that was poor wordplay
[09:08] <highvoltage> yeah, i don't even get it :)
[09:11] <pips1> did xubuntu keep the ltsp install option in the end?
[09:13] <pips1> highvoltage, did you have a chance to try that option?
[09:13] <highvoltage> pips1: yes, i tested it last night, and it failed miserably
[09:13] <highvoltage> pips1: you couldn't even use the server
[09:13] <pips1> oops
[09:14] <highvoltage> pips1: so janimo and i troubleshooted it last night, and found that it installs ltsp-client and ldm on the server, which it shouldn't
[09:14] <highvoltage> so luckily, they could remove those packages on literally the 11th hour, and fix it
[09:14] <pips1> dang
[09:14] <highvoltage> *shew*
[09:14] <pips1> wow
[09:15] <highvoltage> so xubuntu's ltsp install option works fine now.
[09:15] <pips1> well done!
[09:15] <highvoltage> thanks :)
[09:15] <highvoltage> i was quite stressed last night. because i put pressure on him to put ltsp in, and it nearly blew up on him
[09:17] <pips1> once the pressure on the servers eases off a bit, I give xubuntu ltsp a go
[09:18] <highvoltage> cool :)
[09:24] <highvoltage> goodnight pips1, ogra, mhz_Food, lucasvo and lurkers
[09:25] <pips1> highvoltage, good night
[09:25] <ogra> night highvoltage 
[09:25] <pips1> and lurkers, hehe
[09:25] <LaserJock> cya highvoltage 
[09:26] <pips1> have a happy dapper night
[09:28] <pips1> ogra, will there be a 'edubuntu summit no. 2' (with educators, rather than a dev only meeting)
[09:28] <pips1> ?
[09:29] <ogra> would be nice, but there is nothing planned atm
[09:29] <pips1> ic
[09:29] <pips1> yes, would be very nice
[09:30] <ogra> agreed
[09:32] <lucasvo> pips1: make in in zurich
[09:32] <lucasvo> it's a great city :P
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra: are you done with dapper? are you going to party?
[09:33] <ogra> LaserJock, yep, the comfy chair party in my living room
[09:33] <LaserJock> ogra: great
[09:33] <LaserJock> I'm scheming -updates and trying to put myself together
[09:33] <bddebian> ogra: :-)
[09:37] <pips1> lucasvo, yeah, why not...
[09:37] <LaserJock> I see a number of Edubuntu specs on LP
[09:37] <pips1> lucasvo, zurich posse in the house ;-)
[09:37] <ogra> LaserJock, good :)
[09:38] <LaserJock> ogra: not so many techinical ones, but I think that will come now that dapper is out the door
[09:42] <pips1> lucasvo, we should meet up for a drink sometime, what do you say?
[09:51] <lucasvo> pips1: of course
[09:51] <lucasvo> pips1: where do you live?
[09:51] <pips1> lucasvo, near rote fabrik
[09:51] <lucasvo> pips1: zurich posse in the house - what does that mean?
[09:51] <lucasvo> pips1: we could go to the wing
[09:51] <lucasvo> Wings I mean
[09:52] <lucasvo> Air  lounge
[09:52] <pips1> lucasvo, you are into hiphop, ey? ;-)
[09:52] <pips1> sorry, meant *aren't* into hiphop
[09:52] <lucasvo> well, I listen to brandhaerd, sektion kuchichaestli and several others
[09:53] <lucasvo> but I also listen to surf music
[09:53] <pips1> heyheeeey
[09:53] <pips1> swiss hiphop
[09:53] <lucasvo> the only thing I don't listen  is techno and hard rock
[09:53] <ogra> DJ BOBO !
[09:53] <lucasvo> 7962 is cool
[09:53] <lucasvo> lol
[09:53] <lucasvo> pips1: what do you listen?
[09:54] <pips1> mostly electronica these days... dub
[09:56] <bluefrog-10> hi folks, is there a way to install ubuntu directly from ubuntu-desktop cd or do we have to go thru the graphic installer once the livecd is running?
[09:56] <pips1> before that, it was mostly hiphop
[09:56] <ogra> bluefrog-10, only the latter
[09:57] <ogra> use the alternate CD for text installs
[09:57] <bluefrog-10> ah ok was wondering if it was because of a release candiadte or whatever, thx. ok for alternate
[09:57] <pips1> lucasvo, 7962 ?
[09:57] <lucasvo> pips1: a rapper
[09:58] <lucasvo> I think its rather 78629 or somethin
[09:58] <HedgeMage> Hi, all!
[09:58] <lucasvo> pips1: you know the Wings?
[09:58] <pips1> any albums out, or underground ?
[09:58] <lucasvo> the have *free* wifi
[09:58] <pips1> nope
[09:59] <pips1> where is it?
[09:59] <lucasvo> pips1: http://www.aightgenossen.ch/index.php/m=archive/id=332
[09:59] <lucasvo> it's 7962
[09:59] <pygi> hey HedgeMage 
[09:59] <HedgeMage> hey pygi 
[09:59] <pygi> happy cookbook release :)
[09:59] <lucasvo> pips1: next to the Zunft zum Safran
[09:59] <HedgeMage> You, too :)
[10:00] <HedgeMage> pygi: too bad you're half a world away, the party here starts in about 5.5 hours
[10:00] <pygi> HedgeMage, we'll see ... someday perhaps ...
[10:01] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:02] <pygi> HedgeMage, perhaps when we publish the book :)
[10:02] <HedgeMage> hehe :)
[10:02] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:03] <pygi> so, how are you? :)
[10:04] <HedgeMage> pretty good, getting ready to decorate the Edubuntu cake for the party
[10:05] <LaserJock> HedgeMage!
[10:05] <pygi> HedgeMage, nice :)
[10:05] <pips1> lucasvo, wings lounge looks very stylish, we can meet there...
[10:05] <HedgeMage> :D
[10:05] <HedgeMage> hi LaserJock :D
[10:05] <pygi> HedgeMage, send piece :)
[10:05] <ogra> HedgeMage, dont forget to take a pic
[10:06] <ogra> HedgeMage, happy dapper day btw
[10:06] <pygi> ogra, how you like this?
[10:06] <pygi> http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logo33tp.png
[10:06] <HedgeMage> ogra: I will, but it'll take time for me to get it posted because I don't have a digital camera... have to wait and develop film
[10:06] <ogra> pygi, nice, whats that for ? 
[10:06] <Burgwork> pygi, what the logo for?
[10:06] <Burgwork> og :P
[10:07] <pygi> Burgwork, ogra, that's just one of possible logo's, we have many :)
[10:07] <lucasvo> pygi: it's cool
[10:07] <pygi> ogra, Burgwork, for BanyanTree project :)
[10:07] <HedgeMage> pygi: the postage would be more than the price of the whole cake!
[10:07] <lucasvo> pygi: but I would combine them somehow
[10:07] <Burgwork> pygi, and what does the Bayantree project do?
[10:07] <lucasvo> the left one has too much shine and left one is missing it
[10:07] <HedgeMage> question, would anyone be interested in me posting the Scribus file for the Edubuntu stickers I made for the party on my website for public consumption?
[10:08] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, sure, that sounds good
[10:08] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, can you put them on DIYMarketing
[10:08] <pygi> Burgwork, for making people familiar with Open Source, and getting them to contribute
[10:08] <Burgwork> cool
[10:08] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: will do
[10:08] <pygi> mentor <--> student kind of thing :)
[10:08] <pygi> Burgwork, wanna see other logos? :)
[10:08] <ogra> :)
[10:09] <pygi> o joy :)
[10:09] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, thanks
[10:09] <lucasvo> ogra: let's make it a week!
[10:09] <Burgwork> pygi, sure, but I like the one without the reflection
[10:09] <Burgwork> pygi, remember, logos should be very very simple
[10:09] <lucasvo> pips1: atm it's not a good time to meet, maybe next week?
[10:09] <pygi> Burgwork, indeed :)
[10:09] <pygi> Burgwork, here's one for BZR-UI one of the students is doing: http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/453/oliveicon5gd.png
[10:09] <ogra> lucasvo, i've put the "HAPPY DAPPER DAY" in there when we released, that wasnt the change ;)
[10:09] <lucasvo> pygi: I would make the text shiny
[10:10] <pygi> lemme upload some other logos for banyantree
[10:10] <Burgwork> pygi, that is cool
[10:10] <crimsun> Burgwork: debdiff was uploaded to security-review [https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/security-review/2006-June/000406.html]  awaiting pitti's approval. If you'd like I can generate a deb for you. This newer package upgrades your current borked failed install.
[10:10] <lucasvo> anybody know adobe illustrator?
[10:11] <Burgwork> crimsun, no worries. I don't use moodle, just wanted  to show that article up. Thanks again for all your great work ")
[10:11] <pygi> Burgwork, some more BanyanTree logos
[10:11] <pygi> http://img307.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logo1fy.png
[10:11] <Burgwork> :), rthare
[10:11] <pips1> lucasvo, next week is fine
[10:11] <Burgwork> pygi, nope, like the tree better
[10:12] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: kind of... I haven't used it in years
[10:12] <HedgeMage> lucasvo: its a PITA
[10:12] <pips1> lucasvo, goto go now, talk to you again soon, same channel ;-)
[10:12] <lucasvo> pips1: ok
[10:12] <pygi> Burgwork, ah, oki :)
[10:12] <lucasvo> pips1: good bye
[10:12] <pips1> bye all! have a good one!
[10:13] <Burgwork> pygi, I would make it look more like a banyan tree ,however
[10:13] <pips1> happy celebrating
[10:13] <ogra> ciao pips1 
[10:13] <lucasvo> HedgeMage: you don't know how to make the endings of a path rounded, do you?
[10:13] <Burgwork> pygi, maybe only one trunk?
[10:13] <pips1> ciao ogra 
[10:13] <pygi> Burgwork, hm, what do you mean?
[10:13] <pygi> but yes, it should look more like BanyanTree
[10:13] <Burgwork> pygi, the tree looks loopsided
[10:13] <LaserJock> edubuntu is #60 on distrowatch \o/
[10:13] <HedgeMage> pygi: BTW, we may have my mom as a proofreader for the Edgy edition of cookbook :)
[10:14] <HedgeMage> whoohoo :)
[10:14] <HedgeMage> I wonder if we could break 50 by Edgy...
[10:14] <ogra> LaserJock, heh, you should mention which timeframe you refer to :)
[10:14] <pygi> HedgeMage, hehe, I think publisher proofreads that :)
[10:14] <LaserJock> ogra: 6 months
[10:14] <HedgeMage> pygi: yeah, but it never hurts to look like less of a dork when you send it in :P
[10:15] <ogra> wow
[10:15] <HedgeMage> speaking of which, do we have a publisher yet?
[10:15] <ogra> thats high
[10:15] <pygi> HedgeMage, we'll have it once we get chapters layout
[10:15] <HedgeMage> pygi: awesome.
[10:15] <LaserJock> #37 in the last week
[10:15] <HedgeMage> pygi: who do we think we're going with?
[10:15] <pygi> HedgeMage, I still need to think a bit
[10:15] <pygi> we'll see
[10:16] <HedgeMage> keep me in the loop, I'm always curious :)
[10:16] <LaserJock> I don't mean to nag, but have you guys talked to the doc team at all about the cookbook?
[10:16] <pygi> HedgeMage, ofcourse :)
[10:16] <pygi> LaserJock, not really :P
[10:16] <pygi> I am in doc team if that helps any :)
[10:16] <LaserJock> pygi: the Ubuntu doc team?
[10:17] <pygi> LaserJock, not really, but edu one is enough :)
[10:17] <LaserJock> not if you want to use the svn repo
[10:17] <pygi> Don't need the svn repo
[10:17] <LaserJock> I think you guys should really consider talking to the docteam at least for ideas and review
[10:18] <HedgeMage> it certainly wouldn't hurt
[10:18] <LaserJock> the cookbook is really a cool idea, but it seems like it has a lot of work to do
[10:18] <pygi> LaserJock, ideas for edgy right, review of this book, right
[10:18] <pygi> LaserJock, indeed, but don't worry :)
[10:18] <LaserJock> the doc team also publishes print copies on lulu.com now
[10:18] <LaserJock> there are docbook tools
[10:18] <LaserJock> etc.
[10:18] <pygi> LaserJock, yes, we'll do same with this version probably
[10:19] <pygi> hey mhz 
[10:19] <mhz> hey
[10:19] <pygi> what's up? :)
[10:19] <LaserJock> I'm just saying that they might be helpful for you
[10:19] <pygi> LaserJock, yup, I know :)
[10:19] <pygi> Don't worry, all in it's time :)
[10:20] <LaserJock> well, sometimes you need to plan ahead, it is going to be a giant PITA to convert to docbook
[10:20] <pygi> LaserJock, indeed, thanks for your concern :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> pygi: np :-)
[10:21] <LaserJock> pygi: just wanted to put the offer out there
[10:22] <HedgeMage> yeah, I definitely don't want to be constructing this on the wiki again if we can help it... if we have to do something web based, we could bug highvoltage about enabling drupal's book module on the web site
[10:22] <HedgeMage> brb, phone call
[10:22] <pygi> HedgeMage, no worries, it won't be wiki :)
[10:23] <pygi> Burgwork, may I join doc team pls? :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> pygi: you should hang out in #ubuntu-doc a bit, they give me good ideas all the time :-)
[10:24] <Burgwork> pygi, are you on the wiki team?
[10:25] <pygi> Burgwork, nop, currently only edu-doc
[10:25] <Burgwork> pygi, can you ask to join the wiki team. you have been working on the cookbook, no?
[10:25] <mhz> ogra: I need to know if this is considered a bug or plain stupidity, could you give me your opinion, please? Installed my OS in spanish (just to try out). When I want to use 'cfdisk' it obviously shows up with spanish menu options. It works just fine BUT when trying to 'write changes', it asks me to type 'si' with a spanish accent/character in it. Of course, I tried with spanish keyboard, copying/pasting, etc... no way cfdisk will accept that character. It ju
[10:25] <mhz> st does notlet me reproduce that character :(
[10:25] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, are you on the wiki team?
[10:26] <pygi> Burgwork, right, but can I join doc team also? :)
[10:26] <LaserJock> looking after the wiki
[10:26] <Burgwork> pygi, joining the doc team requires sustained contribution to docs in the svn repo
[10:26] <pygi> Burgwork, ah, nothing then :)
[10:27] <Burgwork> yep
[10:27] <LaserJock> I'm sure we need more people working on the Edubuntu docs in the doc team repo though :-)
[10:27] <Burgwork> if we move the edubuntu docs into the repo, then we can fast track anybody has been working on the cookbook
[10:27] <Burgwork> much like we did the xubuntu guys
[10:27] <pygi> oki :)
[10:28] <ogra> erm, didnt jsgotangco already create a cookbook docbook repo in breezy in the ubuntu doc svn ? 
[10:29] <pygi> ogra, he did I think
[10:29] <Burgwork> he did a while back
[10:29] <Burgwork> no idea what happened
[10:29] <LaserJock> I think there is some confusion (at least on my part) because there are 2 cookbooks floating around on the wiki
[10:29] <ogra> he qriginally maintained the cookbook unhtil he got a new job that didnt leave him the time
[10:30] <pygi> LaserJock, what 2 cookbooks?
[10:30] <pygi> wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[10:30] <LaserJock> EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook
[10:30] <LaserJock> there is quite a bit of material on both
[10:31] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: only launchpad team I'm on is the cookbook one, I think
[10:31] <pygi> HedgeMage, indeed :)
[10:31] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, can you apply to the wiki team as well?
[10:32] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: will do, one sec
[10:32] <Burgwork> anybody else that currently works on the wiki and can show sustained and useful contribution, please apply to the wiki team
[10:36] <LaserJock> Burgwork: boy, you killed the party :-)
[10:37] <pygi> LaserJock, hehe :)
[10:37] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: done
[10:37] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:38] <LaserJock> my boss would be very unhappy and I don't think "But dapper is out today" would be an efficent excuse ;-)
[10:38] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[10:39] <LaserJock> luckly I don't break the expensive optics too often
[10:39] <mhz> ogra: so.. bug or stupidity?
[10:39] <HedgeMage> :)
[10:41] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't know si had an accent
[10:42] <mhz> LaserJock: yeah, it does, but only when it means 'itself' or it is an afirmative thing (special case)
[10:42] <mhz> or else it may be read as 'if'
[10:42] <ogra> mhz, i'd call it a bug
[10:43] <mhz> ogra: thx, then I'll contact the keeper
[10:43] <ogra> but i doubt its a bug in cfdisk
[10:44] <mhz> ogra: oooh. then, how could I report it, solve it?
[10:44] <ogra> no idea
[10:44] <mhz> lol
[10:44] <ogra> but can you type that char in a terminal in general ? 
[10:45] <mhz> yup, no problem, unless it is a 'confirmation' of an order
[10:45] <ogra> and which terminal is that ? console, gnome-terminal, xfterm, xterm ....
[10:45] <Burgwork> LaserJock, me and my bad cop routine tends to do that :0
[10:45] <mhz> gnome-terminal and xfce-terminal
[10:45] <Burgwork> HedgeMage, done
[10:45] <LaserJock> aterm, temr ..
[10:45] <LaserJock> wterm I mean
[10:46] <HedgeMage> Burgwork: spiffy, thanks
[10:46] <spacey> pygi: where will the cookbook end up?
[10:46] <spacey> documentation wiki?
[10:46] <spacey> the new fancy one
[10:46] <mhz> ogra: and I'd be 90% sure also in xterm
[10:46] <mhz> ogra: and tty's
[10:46] <pygi> spacey: currently it's on: wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters
[10:46] <mhz> yeah, 100% sure
[10:47] <pygi> not sure what'll be with publisher, but I hope to be able to arrange so we could also make a web edition, and include in edgy
[10:47] <ogra> spacey, at least all the old pages from elkner and kjcole we just talked about are tagged for moving
[10:47] <HedgeMage> definitely
[10:47] <HedgeMage> that's a big part of why I wondered what publisher we're going with
[10:48] <ogra> mhz, i use german and have never any probs ... its surely a bug that should be fixed instead of switching to en :)
[10:48] <pygi> HedgeMage, no worries :)
[10:48] <pygi> We'll have a meeting in like a week or two
[10:48] <HedgeMage> cool
[10:49] <LaserJock> both cookbooks are taged to move to the new wiki
[10:49] <HedgeMage> brb (again) I need to find something to wear over my swimsuit to protect it while I frost the cake :)
[10:49] <pygi> ogra, do you have any intentions on including HUB in Edubuntu?
[10:50] <pygi> LaserJock, indeed they are
[10:50] <mhz> ogra: hmm, yeah, I have started to use spanish because I never had lang. probs before and so, many spanish speakers users complained in my demos :)  If it were my decission, all confirmation orders should be like "100" or "000" thing
[10:50] <ogra> pygi, home user backup ? 
[10:50] <pygi> mdke told it would be better that way
[10:50] <pygi> ogra, yup :)
[10:50] <ogra> if its ready for main, why not
[10:50] <pygi> It's not ready yet, but it'll be for Edgy
[10:50] <ogra> but that will likely still take some time 
[10:51] <pygi> ogra, o trust me, we have great plans for it :)
[10:51] <ogra> yes, but plans are not enough
[10:51] <pygi> indeed :)
[10:51] <pygi> we'll see what happens ;)
[10:51] <ogra> i mean even if you have plans to become a billionaire next week you probably wont
[10:51] <LaserJock> lol
[10:52] <LaserJock> why not ogra?
[10:52] <pygi> ogra, small steps, small steps :)
[10:52] <ogra> i said "probably"
[10:52] <ogra> :)
[10:52] <LaserJock> oh, I have not doubt
[10:52] <LaserJock> s/not/no/
[10:53] <pygi> Burgwork, you still around? :)
[10:53] <Burgwork> pygi, I am always around :)
[10:53] <pygi> Burgwork, why don't you answer on jabber thingy? :P
[10:57] <Burgwork> pygi, because it is a on another virtual desktop and I have no sound here
[10:58] <pygi> Burgwork, ah,oki :)
[10:59] <Burgwork> pygi, oh, I am sorry. I just connected that you are Mario Danic
[10:59] <pygi> Burgwork, o joy :)
[10:59] <pygi> And we talked so many times :P
[11:00] <Burgwork> sometimes it is hard
[11:00] <pygi> don't worry, all good :)
[11:02] <LaserJock> I stopped using virtual destkops when I left Gentoo, I don't know why :/
[11:04] <mhz> sorry but what is home user backup?
[11:05] <LaserJock> it's a gui backup app
[11:05] <mhz> what is its name?
[11:05] <mhz> that?
[11:06] <pygi> mhz, name will  change
[11:06] <pygi> that's working title :)
[11:06] <ogra> hubackup
[11:07] <ogra> thats the package name, i doubt it will change 
[11:07] <pygi> ogra, perhaps package name won't change, but the name of application itself probably will :)
[11:12] <pygi> mhz, not much info exist yet
[11:13] <pygi> hey Amaranth_ :)
[11:13] <Amaranth_> hey
[11:13] <pygi> what's up? :)
[11:14] <Amaranth> my grandfather died last night
[11:14] <ogra> gah
[11:14] <pygi> :'(
[11:15] <mhz> pygi: I just noticed :)
[11:15] <Amaranth> ogra: I still haven't gotten a response from the willow author about the license issues.
[11:15] <Burgwork> Amaranth, ugh
[11:15] <mhz> fork!
[11:15] <mhz> :D
[11:15] <Amaranth> ogra: Since the code is pretty...odd anyway, I was thinking it'd be better to just make my own.
[11:15] <pygi> mhz, wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackupNg
[11:15] <Amaranth> ogra: I've already found a python module that does bayesian filtering.
[11:15] <mhz> pygi: thx
[11:15] <ogra> Amaranth, sounds ok, if you think you'll manage
[11:15] <ogra> cool
[11:15] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:16] <Amaranth> it's called reverend
[11:16] <Amaranth> i figure i'll find a sane python proxy and hook this into it
[11:17] <ogra> yep, sounds like a plan, we should meet up next week and talk it through a bit more (have some kind of "official" SoC meeting) ;)
[11:17] <Amaranth> ok
[11:17] <mhz> pygi: so far, flexbackup does esxactly that but not GUI
[11:18] <Burgwork> ogra, let me hook in anselmo into that as well
[11:18] <ogra> Burgwork, anselmo ? 
[11:18] <Burgwork> ogra, he is doing the childrensbrowser
[11:19] <ogra> gecko based ? 
[11:19] <Burgwork> epiphany based
[11:19] <Burgwork> built on Amaranth's proxy and Epiphany
[11:19] <ogra> well, thats a yes currently then :)
[11:20] <Burgwork> his official mentor is dholbach
[11:20] <ogra> ah, ok
[11:21] <ogra> if that think doesnt get to big we should include it ... even it wasnt tagged as edubuntu specific iirc
[11:21] <ogra> *thing
[11:21] <Burgwork> it should just be a small python app with deps on epiphany and willowNG
[11:22] <ogra> ah, nice
[11:22] <bddebian> Later folks, Congrats again! :-)
[11:22] <Burgwork> it is more a control panel than an app, really
[11:22] <ogra> bddebian, ciao and thanks :)
[11:23] <ogra> Burgwork, oh, i thought he'd simplify the browser as well
[11:23] <Burgwork> yep, through lockdown keys in epiphany
[11:23] <pygi> mhz, geg
[11:23] <ogra> ah
[11:23] <pygi> heh*
[11:24] <Burgwork> the reason I choose epiphany over Ff for the spec was that epiphany already contains great lockdown keys already
[11:24] <Burgwork> plus if  he needs to make changes to epiphany, it will be easier
[11:24] <ogra> yep
[11:24] <ogra> ff is satan
[11:24] <ogra> i wouldnt touch it
[11:25] <HedgeMage> rofl
[11:25] <Burgwork> are you not touching it for this kiosk idea of yours?
[11:25] <ogra> that wont need touching of ff
[11:25] <Burgwork> ah
[11:25] <crimsun> hmm, speaking of epiphany, is xulrunner going to be the "engine"?
[11:25] <ogra> hopefully
[11:25] <Burgwork> hopefully
[11:25] <ogra> else we cant drop ff from edubuntu
[11:26] <ogra> lol
[11:27] <LaserJock> if I could get epiphany to work on XP/OS X, the other satan's, then I might have a chance
[11:27] <cbx33> evenin
[11:28] <Burgwork> Firefox is a great browser for Windows
[11:28] <Burgwork> because on windows, integration doesn't matter
[11:29] <cbx33> ogra, you still here ? - get some sleep :p
[11:30] <LaserJock> Burgwork: sure, but I want to actually use epiphany
[11:30] <Burgwork> LaserJock, ah, then you are stuck if you run inferior OSes
[11:31] <cbx33> ping pygi 
[11:32] <Amaranth> it's so...empty not seeing new updates every 3 hours
[11:32] <pygi> cbx33, what I broke this time?
[11:32] <Amaranth> dang final releases :P
[11:32] <cbx33> pygi, I was going to offer to do what I could to help with S-C-P
[11:33] <pygi> cbx33, o really? :)
[11:33] <pygi> Nice, thanks :)
[11:34] <cbx33> ;P
[11:34] <pygi> cbx33, pheew, I already thought I broke something again :)
[11:34] <HedgeMage> roflmao
[11:35] <cbx33> nah
[11:35] <cbx33> nn everyone
[11:35] <HedgeMage> nn cbx33 
[11:35] <cbx33> pygi, if youwanna check out my python skills sofar
[11:35] <cbx33> my gisomount program is growing :p
[11:35] <pygi> cbx33, :)
[11:36] <cbx33> https://launchpad.net/products/gisomount
[11:36] <cbx33> still in development
[11:36] <cbx33> will be doing some major overhauling tomorrow
[11:36] <pygi> nice :)
[11:36] <cbx33> well nn
[11:37] <cbx33> let me know if you think I can help
[11:37] <pygi> night cbx33 :)
[11:45] <pygi> HedgeMage, what are you laughing about? :)
[11:47] <HedgeMage> "I already thought I broke something again"
[11:47] <HedgeMage> :P
[11:47] <pygi> HedgeMage, hehe :)
[11:48] <pygi> HedgeMage, so will I get a slice of cake? :)
[11:52] <HedgeMage> pygi: it would cost more to ship than to make a whole cake :P
[11:52] <HedgeMage> you must show up to get cake :P
[11:52] <HedgeMage> you can have a pic of the cake ;)
[11:52] <pygi> argh :(
[11:53] <HedgeMage> it wouldn't taste any good after the 3 weeks it would take to get there anyhow :P
[12:01] <mhz> pygi: geg?
[12:02] <pygi> mhz, was supposed to be "heh" :)
[12:02] <mhz> oh, sorry ;)