[12:02] <BenC> mdz: so a ccrash in nsc-ircc?
[12:03] <BenC> nsc-ircc has some bugs related to probing, I think I may end up backporting to fix that up
[12:04] <BenC> mdz: I'll mark it for dapper-updates
[12:04] <mdz> BenC: I've attached the full dmesg to the bug
[12:04] <BenC> mdz: Ok, thanks
[12:04] <crimsun> BenC: I can confirm that 46947 is nonfatal, occurs on this thinkpad x41-2527
[12:05] <mdz> there were some odd serial8250 messages later on too
[12:05] <mdz> could be related
[12:06] <BenC> crimsun: Can you sub to the bug report too please?
[12:06] <BenC> that sort of fix is something I want tested before I push it out to dapper-updates
[12:06] <crimsun> BenC: done.
[12:06] <BenC> thanks
[12:07] <BenC> crimsun: BTW, work has already started on the first post-release dapper kernel, so if you have any patches that missed the release, just shoot them on over
[12:07] <doko_> mdz: dapper-updates is already open?
[12:07] <mdz> doko_: yes it is
[12:07] <mdz> we have the technology
[12:07] <crimsun> BenC: k, I'll git pull this evening
[12:07] <mdz> thanks to cprov
[12:08] <ajmitch> mdz: what will the rules be for universe? all debdiffs get checked by you for -updates?
[12:08] <doko_> nice
[12:08] <mdz> in particular, we can get upgrade fixes into -updates before we go gold
[12:08] <BenC> mmm...gold
[12:08] <Seveas> what's the ETA of gold?
[12:09] <mdz> ajmitch: they'll be reviewed by the archive team
[12:09] <BenC> mdz: will we have gold cd's in paris to take home? :)
[12:09] <ajmitch> ok
[12:09] <mdz> hmm, possibly
[12:09] <mjg59> tritium: We have all those patches in our 2.6.15
[12:09] <mdz> ajmitch: is there something in particular you're planning for -updates?
[12:09] <ajmitch> f-spot patches from upstream
[12:09] <mdz> Seveas: tomorrow
[12:10] <mdz> UTC
[12:10] <Seveas> mdz, I was hoping for a bit more specific timestamp ;)
[12:10] <mdz> any particular reason?
[12:11] <BenC> a day and a TZ, what more could you ask for? :)
[12:11] <Seveas> #ubuntu gets swamped with that question over and over
[12:11] <Seveas> something like "not before noon" would already be useful
[12:12] <ajmitch> Seveas: then say the end of the day or something, so they don't get their hopes up
[12:12] <mdke> tell them to update now
[12:12] <Seveas> ajmitch, hehe
[12:12] <mdke> and grab the cd on friday
[12:12] <mdz> Seveas: and you think that if one of them gets an answer, the rest will go away? ;-)
[12:12] <mdz> Seveas: morning or midday, most likely
[12:13] <Seveas> Fridge says 0:00 UTC so lots of people think it'll be in 48 minutes
[12:13] <Seveas> 
[12:13] <sivang> hehe
[12:13] <ajmitch> Seveas: excellent, put that forward 24 hours :)
[12:13] <sivang> I think this is one of the nicest things in Ubuntu, we release when we feel it's right :)
[12:14] <AlinuxOS> sivang, I agree... it's true.
[12:14] <BenC> wasn't that inherited from Debian? ;)
[12:14] <sivang> well,
[12:14] <sivang> it's a bit better :)
[12:14] <infinity> "When it's ready -- within a 24 hour window"
[12:14] <Seveas> BenC, no, that would be "We may release..."
[12:14] <AlinuxOS> :)
[12:14] <sivang> we do not need to wait for the "signs".. :p
[12:15] <mdz> sivang: Debian releases based on fixed criteria; we release on a target date and select our criteria accordingly
[12:15] <BenC> or a GR
[12:15] <mdz> they're both "when it's ready"; we just have different definitions of "ready"
[12:15] <Seveas> "When sabdfl presses the ceremonial button"
[12:15] <mdz> there is a magic button in Launchpad now
[12:16] <sivang> mdz: that's what makes it so cool, we have a middle point between top quality and sensible release periods
[12:16] <sivang> magic button for the release? :)
[12:16] <AlinuxOS> mdz, really ? which one ?
[12:16] <AlinuxOS> :D
[12:17] <sivang> anyway, back to backup before disk wipe out
[12:17] <mdz> the one which changes the status of Dapper from pre-release freeze to current stable
[12:17] <mdz> I'll press it for the first time tomorrow; this will be the first release we've done on Launchpad
[12:18] <AlinuxOS> :) I thougt it's manual change :)
[12:18] <mdz> it is
[12:18] <AlinuxOS> ah
[12:18] <mdz> there is a button to be pressed
[12:18] <sladen> remember not to click it twice!
[12:19] <sivang> lol
[12:19] <sivang> launchpad has grown so beautifully the last year :)
[12:19] <AlinuxOS> mdz, when will possible to update some packages ? I mean the period of first updates ?
[12:19] <crimsun> sladen: hmm, I wonder if that was a test case... ;-)
[12:19] <mdz> AlinuxOS: there are already updates for dapper
[12:19] <AlinuxOS> ah :D
[12:20] <sivang> I have even one patch pending
[12:20] <AlinuxOS> critical I think.
[12:20] <infinity> mdz: Did someone actually design a giant red button for you to make it a bit more fun?
[12:20] <iwj> There's an off-by-a-character-or-two error in the centering of the textmode dialogue during cdrom check.
[12:21] <iwj> Do we know about that ? :-)
[12:21] <infinity> Do we care? :)
[12:21] <mdz> iwj: the one in d-i, presumably?  not the usplash/casper one?
[12:21] <iwj> Yes.
[12:21] <sivang> mdz: btw, boot and auto config of the desktop-cd takes ages on my t43p machine. is it known / wontfix for this release?
[12:22] <sivang> (that is the time from the boot, to when I Have the live desktop working)
[12:22] <sivang> and by ages, I mean nearing the 6-7 minutes or so
[12:22] <infinity> mdz: Oh, you're just talking about the drop-down box and submit button in "distros/ubuntu/dapper/+admin"... Damn... That's not the giant red button I was hoping for.
[12:22] <iwj> It seems to be trying to predict where the dialogue ought to be by counting characters in the string it's printing but the algorithm it's using for centering and the one for wrapping evidently disagree.  Not really RC perhaps ...
[12:23] <mdz> infinity: buildd admin != launchpad admin anymore ;-)
[12:23] <infinity> sivang: Dirty cd-rom drive or bad media.
[12:24] <infinity> mdz: Possibly true, but I still have a little yellow ducky...
[12:24] <iwj> What are we doing about kubuntu ?  I'm really unhappy about the results of the upgrade tests I've been doing from breezy ...
[12:24] <infinity> mdz: I'll want to confirm with cprov that the buildd-admin stuff is completely fixes before they take the ducky away. :)
[12:24] <mdz> infinity: so you do!  I thought they were fixing that
[12:24] <sivang> infinity: ah
[12:24] <infinity> s/fixes/fixed/
[12:24] <iwj> (Test cycles for that take ages, too.)
[12:25] <mdz> iwj: from the sound of it, it's widespread upstream breakage that we're not in a position to do much about, though it's possible that it's simpler than I think
[12:25] <mdz> iwj: firefox implodes in interesting ways when upgraded while running as well, as you know
[12:25] <iwj> mdz: Absolutely, which is why we have that thing for telling you to restart it.
[12:25] <infinity> iwj: I think it's an endemic issue in all d-i dialogs.  It's just more noticeable in some than others.
[12:25] <mdz> does hoary->breezy not break in the same way?
[12:25] <iwj> I'm not saying we should fix KDE.  That's too hard.
[12:26] <iwj> hoary->breezy> dunno; I don't have a hoary kubuntu.
[12:26] <mdz> iwj: we shipped firefox for 2 years before we got that ;-)
[12:26] <iwj> But I think we should change the release notes to document a work{around,ing} method.
[12:26] <iwj> mdz: It caused endless bug reports :-).
[12:26] <mdz> iwj: or fix adept to reboot at the end?
[12:27] <iwj> That might help.
[12:27] <infinity> mdz: Though, "my web browser broke" is a bit less scary than "my computer won't even let me reboot it, and I had to kick the power switch"
[12:27] <iwj> But there's the difficulty of editing the sources.list too.
[12:27] <mdz> infinity: kdm crashing in that scenario is pretty spectacular, I agree
[12:27] <iwj> Also, in my most recent test, which I did in konsole, I managed to produce a system which can't open .odt files ...
[12:27] <mdz> iwj: perhaps in edgy, someone will port mvo's upgrader to KDE
[12:27] <kermitX_> the F3 text (server, expert, etc) on the alternate cd's is incorrect, given the new boot menu.
[12:28] <iwj> mdz: That would be nice.
[12:28] <mdz> which has the right sorts of hooks to deal with this stuff
[12:28] <infinity> kermitX_: What does it say?
[12:28] <iwj> But for now I would like release notes which document a working procedure.
[12:28] <mdz> infinity: it presumably wasn't updated when we renamed the menu items
[12:28] <infinity> kermitX_: It's still "correct" if it says you can add "server" to the command line to do a minimal install, etc.
[12:29] <infinity> Anyhow, too late, most people don't read help text anyway, etc, etc. :)
[12:29] <mdz> adding that to the checklist for next time
[12:29] <iwj> working procedure> and at the moment I haven't found one.
[12:30] <mdz> iwj: is there a bug report open about this yet?
[12:30] <mdz> seems hard to believe that no one stumbled on this upgrading to a pre-release dapper
[12:31] <iwj> mdz: I agree it's strange.
[12:31] <iwj> The .odt problem has a bug, yes.  Err, I don't have the number to hand ...
[12:31] <kermitX_> i don't read the F3 text that way. it reads like breezy. where exactly would you type in something like "server-expert"? at the start or end of the boot line?
[12:31] <iwj> Oh, there it is, bug 47780.
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47780 in Ubuntu "example odt does not open after kubuntu breezy -> dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47780
[12:33] <mdz> iwj: I meant the fact that KDE implodes after being upgraded while running
[12:33] <iwj> Oh, that.
[12:33] <iwj> Err, I don't know of one, no.
[12:33] <mdz> anyway, to bed with me; need to kick this cold for tomorrow
[12:33] <mdz> night all
[12:33] <iwj> Goodnight.
[12:33] <iwj> It was clear we weren't going to fix that for dapper.
[12:33] <iwj> And it seems pointless filing things as bugs when they're huge and well-known.
[12:33] <AlinuxOS> mdz, thank you...and good night!
[12:33] <iwj> mdz: Thanks for your hard work.
[12:33] <sivang> night mdz 
[12:33] <sivang> and ian :)
[12:34] <kermitX_> sticking "server-expert" on the boot line did not start up d-i in the expected "expert" mode.
[12:37] <sivang> infinity: is there a scenario (on a laptop) that might be good to test? I mean , something most poeple would not attempt? (/me still waits for backup to finish then going to test desktop-cd)
[12:39] <infinity> sivang: The most interesting laptop cases are all the funky removeable devices (hotplugging batteries and hard drives and such), power management (cpufreq, sleep, hibernate), and if you have one, docking stations.
[12:43] <kermitX_> infinity: f3 screenshot http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14935
[12:43] <infinity> kermitX_: Hit escape.
[12:44] <infinity> When you exit gfxboot, then "server-expert" works.
[12:48] <kermitX_> infinity: "type it at the prompt". when you hit f6 to get the prompt, it is prepopulated with whatever menu item is selected. the f3 text does not indicate *where* amonst that you would type those parameters. past versions *only* required that one word, but doing so on dapper results in kernel panic on boot.
[12:50] <infinity> kermitX_: But if you hit esc, to get to the actual boot: prompt which F3 is documenting, it magically works.
[12:51] <infinity> kermitX_: yes, the F3 text should be updated to say "If you're in gfxboot, exit first before trying these"
[12:51] <infinity> (note that it's the exact same text you get if you hit F3 at the boot: prompt, but all GUIfied)
[12:54] <kermitX_> infinity: the ESC keypress to exit the "graphical boot" is not documented anywhere in any of those help screens.
[12:55] <infinity> kermitX_: yes, hence my above comment.
[12:55] <infinity> kermitX_: It should be.  it won't be for release.  Oh well.  Most users will never do any of those "scary" things anyway.
[12:56] <kermitX_> infinity: hard to keep track of a few little text files with 15k or so packages to worry about, i guess. 
[12:57] <kermitX_> question -- are there plans for periodic updates to dapper iso's to incorporate security fixes, etc.. similar to how debian re-issues stable?
[12:58] <infinity> kermitX_: Not currectly, but that possibility may be revisited and discussed.
[01:00] <kermitX_> infinity: just wondering. considering the number of updates there may be in 12 months or so. be nice to have for systems not on the public net, plus keeps it dapper fresh and "in the news" so-to-speak.
[01:00] <Burgwork> infinity, we can have a 6.06 Service Pack 1!!! think, we can be just like the other guys!
[01:01] <kermitX_> burgwork: at least ours would be tested. ;)
[01:01] <HiddenWolf> Burgwork: well, it wouldn't be a bad idea to roll updates to the install cd's a few times over the next few years, to save new users the bunch of security fixes.
[01:01] <jdub> Burgwork: i think it's extremely likely that we'll do that
[01:02] <jdub> we're shipping at a WONDERFUL time for free software stability and so on
[01:02] <jdub> but a terrible time for hardware refresh
[01:03] <Burgwork> jdub, yep. Plus then we can throw dapper in the face of vista and  10.6
[01:03] <ajmitch> Burgwork: but.. but.. dapper doesn't have shiny!
[01:04] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch: works or shiny, works or shiny, hmmm
[01:05] <Burgwork> how about tested vs shiny?
[01:05] <HiddenWolf> Burgwork: I'm sure vista is tested, that doesn't say that the stuff actually works.
[01:06] <Burgwork> HiddenWolf, to me tested == been the real world and been used by real users just like me
[01:06] <HiddenWolf> Burgwork: I can test, find a bug, try teo report it to microsoft and be charged for it. That doesn't fix that bug I found. ;)
[01:06] <Burgwork> hmm, charged for bugs
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> Burgwork: yeah, you get a refund if the bug is confirmed
[01:07] <Burgwork> at $30 a pop, canonical could make a hansom profit
[01:07] <Burgwork> but this is OT, so we should go elsewhere
[01:07] <HiddenWolf> I should go to bed. ;)
[01:08] <HiddenWolf> Good night. :)
[01:40] <tritium_> mjg59: ok, thanks.  That's interesting that we have those patches, given my errors.
[01:41] <mjg59> tritium_: Bug number?
[01:42] <tritium_> mjg59: I've not filed yet, as this is my personal work laptop, and I've been giving priority to the Canonical laptop
[01:42] <mjg59> tritium_: Argh grah
[01:42] <mjg59> tritium_: Without bug reports, we *don't fix bugs*
[01:42] <mjg59> If something breaks, report it. Don't start talking about using custom kernels.
[01:43] <tritium_> mjg59: yes, I know.  I recently encountered these.  I will report it.
[01:44] <tritium_> I shall not utter such heresy again ;)
[01:45] <dieman> mjg59: btw, will i see you at the paris summit?
[01:46] <infinity> dieman: No, he's not coming because he HATES US.
[01:46] <dieman> hahaha
[01:46] <dieman> bastard
[01:52] <mjg59> That PhD sure makes me hate
[03:18] <infinity> bgertzfield: Around?
[03:20] <jdub> http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/06/01/apt-get-install-vmware-player/
[03:20] <jdub> he better be
[03:20] <jdub> i just said nice things about him
[03:21] <infinity> Aww, I got a perkypants mention.,
[03:21] <infinity> I'm a somebody!
[03:47] <infinity> Hrm, is the LegacyHuman theme in my theme selector really what we shipped in breezy?
[03:47] <infinity> That brown's a lot darker than I remember.... Or I just got used to the current theme being a lot brighter.
[03:51] <ToadZzZztool> just before going to bed... when will dapper-updates repository open and moreover edgy? has it been decided yet?
[03:52] <ToadZzZztool> .oO(hi/'night/'evening/'morning by the way :))
[03:52] <infinity> ToadZzZztool: dapper-updates is already open.  edgy will open soon.
[03:53] <Burgundavia> infinity: it was a bit of shock for me when I moved back to my then breezy box as well
[03:53] <ToadZzZztool> thanks infinity :)
[03:53] <ToadZzZztool> g'night dev's
[03:54] <ToadZzZztool> and thanks for the *huge* work on Dapper
[03:54] <infinity> You're welcome. :)
[03:55] <infinity> Burgundavia: Well, I remember being very shocked by the brightness of the new theme.  And to be honest, I'm still not entirely used to it.  But, unfortunately, I seem to be used to it enough that switching back is also uncomfortable.  Bah.
[03:55] <infinity> Rock, meet hard place.
[03:56] <infinity> I guess I'll just have to do my own theme and get it into edgy.
[03:56] <infinity> "Adam's Middle Ground Theme, for people not entirely satisfied by breezy or dapper"
[04:05] <bddebian> Hello
[04:05] <Burgundavia> hey bddebian
[04:05] <bddebian> Heya Burgundavia
[04:06] <bgertzfield> infinity: I'm around now.
[04:08] <davyd_> hey guys
[04:08] <davyd_> has anyone else found ia32-libs uninstallable?
[04:08] <davyd_> dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/bin/ldd' with
[04:08] <davyd_>   different file `/usr/bin/ldd.amd64', not allowed
[04:14] <bddebian> Hmm, I thought that got resolved?
[04:31] <infinity> bddebian: It got half fixed, the other half of the fix got vetoed for being too intrusive.
[04:32] <infinity> davyd_: rm /usr/bin/ldd, then install ia32-libs.
[04:33] <infinity> s/install/upgrade/
[04:33] <bddebian> infinity: Ah, OK, thx
[04:33] <infinity> bgertzfield: Do you happen to know the guys who do the docs that ship with VMware Workstation?
[05:10] <sfllaw> jdub: Say, how does one get a hackergotchi on planet.ubuntulinux.org?
[05:10] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: you mean planet.ubuntu.com?
[05:11] <sfllaw> Isn't that the same?
[05:11] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: yep, but ubuntulinux.org is deprecated
[05:12] <bgertzfield> infinity: I can get in touch with them.
[05:13] <sfllaw> Burgundavia: That's crazy talk.  Are you also saying that I shouldn't be using http://no-name-yet.com?
[05:14] <Burgundavia> sfllaw: yep!
[05:14] <Burgundavia> they still work, however
[05:15] <sfllaw> Crazy!
[05:16] <mgalvin> haha, the dapper release announcement is on no-name-yet :)
[05:18] <sfllaw> I'll have to admit that jbailey looks really asian in this photograph: http://www.ubuntu.com/htdocs/uweb/menu/img-support.png
[05:19] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:20] <sfllaw> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is out of date.
[05:20] <sfllaw> Ubuntu _does_ have a pretty graphical installer now.
[05:20] <bddebian> haha
[05:21] <wasabi_> Nice. vmware player on Dapper.
[05:21] <wasabi_> Releasing with vmware-server in it too would be amazing, actually.
[05:21] <sfllaw> wasabi_: That's still in Beta.
[05:22] <sfllaw> And blew up on my computer.
[05:22] <wasabi_> Ahh true.
[05:22] <wasabi_> Sure works good. ;)
[05:23] <sfllaw> wasabi_: aj and Erinn have proposed that we add debugging symbol support into apt, much like sources currently are.
[05:23] <sfllaw> It's a pretty good idea, if you ask me.
[05:23] <wasabi_> Whatcha mean by that?
[05:23] <bddebian> I think we need a repo of all packages (at least main) that includes unstripped binaries
[05:24] <wasabi_> I'd be interested in some sort of optional dependency classing system.
[05:24] <wasabi_> Not sure how better to describe that.
[05:24] <wasabi_> Oh geeze, it's similar to USE variables on Gentoo. Taboooo haha
[05:25] <wasabi_> Such as something you can set... "debug"...  Recommends: package-dbg [debug] 
[05:25] <infinity> bgertzfield: In the "Guest OS Install Guide" that ships with VMware, the Ubuntu docs don't really have much of anything useful to say, but what they *do* tell every user to do is to su to root and set a root password "so they never have to sudo again"
[05:26] <infinity> bgertzfield: That sort of defeats the purpose of us setting up sudo, disabling the root password, and trying to get users used to that. :/
[05:26] <infinity> bgertzfield: Would be nice if third party docs didn't try to impose their ideas of "correct root usage" on our default setup.
[05:26] <bddebian> That's why I am saying why not have a seperate repo?  archive.ubuntu.com dapper debug or some such?
[05:27] <Burgundavia> infinity: are you serious?
[05:27] <Burgundavia> bgertzfield: if you need help with your docs, come talk to the doc team
[05:27] <infinity> Burgundavia: Quite serious.
[05:28] <Burgundavia> infinity: I cannot tell you the effort the doc team makes to keep the wiki consistent
[05:29] <bgertzfield> infinity: that is lame.
[05:29] <bgertzfield> infinity: hold one moment, on phone
[05:35] <bgertzfield> infinity: I can file a bug.  Can you email me a snippet of exact text so I can find the offending page and get it fixed?
[05:36] <bgertzfield> Burgundavia: I appreciate the offer!  I'll let the docs folks know
[05:37] <Burgundavia> bgertzfield: we are fairly large and quite active and don't really mind absorbing something like that
[05:41] <infinity> bgertzfield: Sent.
[06:11] <Burgundavia> mako: you around?
[06:14] <bddebian> Is he ever? ;-)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> bddebian: not really. Makes it hard to write a book with him
[06:19] <dieman> hah
[06:19] <dieman> hows the book going?
[06:19] <Burgundavia> last edits now
[06:19] <dieman> rock
[06:19] <dieman> i was one of the proposal reviewers
[06:26] <elmo> uh, pitti
[06:26] <elmo> 30x16.png                                                   translations/language-pack-kde-mn-base
[06:26] <elmo> 60x40.png                                                   translations/language-pack-kde-mn-base
[06:28] <bgertzfield> infinity: Got the text.  Thanks!
[07:52] <Kagou> hi
[07:57] <lifeless> morning
[07:58] <ajmitch> hi lifeless 
[08:27] <Mithrandir> sladen: why do you think 47732 is a bug in casper?
[08:28] <Mithrandir> Riddell: 47743, does this suggestion make sense and can you provide a patch?
[08:54] <pitti> Good morning
[08:55] <Seveas> hi pitti
[08:58] <Burgundavia> 'ello Seveas, pitti
[08:58] <infinity> I've been up for a day, I suppose sleep might not be such a bad idea...
[08:59] <dholbach> "I think a beta ISO has leaked somewhere" *snort into coffee*
[09:00] <Burgundavia> dholbach: where is that from?
[09:00] <Seveas> forums
[09:00] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:00] <Burgundavia> uhh, welcome to development in a fishbowl
[09:00] <dholbach> and #ubuntu is going nuts as well
[09:01] <Burgundavia> well, it is now the 1st here
[09:01] <Fujitsu> #ubuntu is going crazy!
[09:02] <Mithrandir> dholbach: like, we released it onto teh intarweb.
[09:02] <Mithrandir> dholbach: I wonder if any warez sites has picked it up or anything.
[09:03] <highvoltage> Mithrandir: i'm sure it has
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Mithrandir, haha.
[09:03] <dholbach> Mithrandir: that must be a 0-day release or something :-p
[09:03] <Mithrandir> yeah, I'd think so
[09:03] <highvoltage> Mithrandir: i've even seen some files go around with OOo keyz :p
[09:03] <Fujitsu> Hahahahahah.
[09:04] <Mithrandir> highvoltage: uh. :-)
[09:05] <imbrandon> someone was asking about an activation crack for dapper in #ubuntu earlier too ;)
[09:06] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:06] <Mithrandir> while funny, it's more sad.
[09:06] <Kagou> lol
[09:06] <bgertzfield> jdub: !!!
[09:08] <highvoltage> imbrandon: it will spread on the warzes sites like wild fire, saving bandwidth on the mirrors
[09:08] <imbrandon> hahah or better yet , just make the winderz one work in wine ;)
[09:08] <Gloubiboulga> imbrandon, could you write xActivation for Xubuntu too please ? ;)
[09:08] <imbrandon> lol @ Gloubiboulga
[09:08] <bgertzfield> I just saw http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/06/01/apt-get-install-vmware-player/ .  I'm so pleased. :)
[09:09] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: yeah start splitting the current image then upload them to newsgroups
[09:09] <infinity> bgertzfield: We're FAMOUS.
[09:09] <crimsun> honestly I've never seen people spidering the release site by hand to try and locate a "final" iso.
[09:09] <infinity> I guess .pool is hard to find.
[09:09] <infinity> Oops, did I say that out loud?
[09:09] <infinity> *cough*
[09:09] <bgertzfield> infinity: Congrats for you. :)
[09:09] <imbrandon> lol @ infinity 
[09:10] <infinity> bgertzfield: Well, I was already famous on teh internets, so I'll let you have this moment of glory to yourself. :)
[09:10] <imbrandon> teh intarweb infinity ;)
[09:10] <bgertzfield> I'm famous on the inside.
[09:11] <infinity> bgertzfield: That's just what non-famous people say to make themselves feel better. :)
[09:11] <bgertzfield> Hey, were you in _Code Rush_?  I don't think so!
[09:11] <infinity> "Oh, the other famous people are just jealous of you, because you make VMware packages."
[09:11] <bgertzfield> I was a nerd on TV!
[09:15] <Kamion> janimo: gah
[09:15] <Burgundavia> infinity: are we waiting on mdz to wake up or something?
[09:15] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, haha.
[09:15] <Kamion> Burgundavia: at minimum we're waiting on me having breakfast and getting into the office.
[09:15] <Burgundavia> Kamion: ah, ok
[09:15] <Fujitsu> How long'll that be?
[09:16] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: longer if you ask him
[09:16] <Kamion> I'm not answering that question
[09:16] <bgertzfield> ok, I'm off to bed. good night all
[09:16] <Fujitsu> True.
[09:16] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, bgertzfield.
[09:16] <infinity> Burgundavia: mdz wants to push the big red button.
[09:17] <Burgundavia> infinity: I figured as much
[09:17] <infinity> Burgundavia: (A few of us have access to the button, but he does my performance reviews, so I'll not steal the honour)
[09:17] <Fujitsu> Yay for big red buttons.
[09:17] <Burgundavia> heh
[09:18] <Fujitsu> Or would it be green?
[09:18] <Kamion> janimo: I'll start off a rebuild for you, I guess
[09:18] <jnjb> hhi
[09:18] <infinity> Kamion: If I'd known you would approve it, I would have done it last night. :/
[09:18] <infinity> Kamion: But I wasn't sure what policy we had or hadn't cobbled together for non-release ISOs.
[09:19] <Kamion> well, I needed to fix the code too ...
[09:19] <jnjb> i had a bug which freez my computer on dapper xubuntu, my config it's ibm thinkpad x24
[09:19] <Kamion> but I figure we can always release yesterday's images if need be
[09:19] <Kamion> infinity: policy> making it up on the fly
[09:19] <Kamion> right, breakfast
[09:20] <imbrandon> jnjb, try #xubuntu or #ubuntu
[09:21] <infinity> Kamion: I could have fixed his bug, I'm not completely useless. :)  But yes, had no idea about the on-the-fly policy, didn't want to overstep.
[09:21] <shawarma> jnjb: do you have a atheros card in it?
[09:22] <jnjb> i had try but now i'm return on debian
[09:23] <jnjb> whith beta3 freez at 2or 5 mins on x
[09:23] <jnjb> shawarma no
[09:25] <Riddell> Mithrandir: yes I think I agreee with it, you can do rm -f /usr/share/services/kded/kwalletd.desktop in casper to stop it running
[09:26] <\sh> moins
[09:26] <sladen> Mithrandir: was wondering if it was something like nvram being rmmod'ed
[09:28] <Mithrandir> Riddell: 'k, thanks.  Could you add that to the bug?
[09:28] <Riddell> yes
[09:29] <Mithrandir> sladen: casper doesn't rmmod anything, so that's a bug somewhere else
[09:29] <Riddell> done
[09:30] <Mithrandir> Riddell: thanks
[09:35] <Burgundavia> does smurfix ever come on irc anymore?
[09:37] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, I don't think so... Haven't seen him in several eternities.
[09:37] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: hmm. Does he still run the -CC.org domains?
[09:38] <davyd_> infinity: you win the prize!
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, yes.
[09:38] <Seveas> Burgundavia, yes, but mitsuhiko co-admins those
[09:38] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia, I had great trouble getting -au.org redone.
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:41] <mdke> Burgundavia: #ubuntu-locoteams!!!!
[09:41] <Burgundavia> mdke: hmm, how many of !
[09:41] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:44] <sabdfl> Happy Release Day everybody!
[09:44] <jsgotangco> yay
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Hi sabdfl :)
[09:44] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[09:44] <Fujitsu> That was short...
[09:46] <janimo> Kamion, thanks for the new CDs
[09:48] <infinity> davyd_: I do?
[09:48] <davyd_> infinity: you told me how to install ia32-libs
[09:54] <janimo> highvoltage: ping
[09:54] <highvoltage> janimo: pong
[09:54] <janimo> highvoltage: there are new cd images which hopefully correct the ltsp install
[09:54] <janimo> I am now trying it in qemu
[09:55] <highvoltage> qemu is ok, but slow without acceleration.
[09:55] <janimo> highvoltage: will take a while, but if it boots up afterwards without the ldm restarts you have seen yesterday I'll conclude it works
[09:55] <janimo> highvoltage: I found that it's slow with kqemu as well 
[09:55] <fabbione> janimo: ping?
[09:56] <janimo> fabbione: pong
[09:56] <fabbione> janimo: oh you are here
[09:56] <fabbione> the cd images should been finished
[09:56] <highvoltage> janimo: ok :)
[09:56] <fabbione> Kamion wants to know if you are testing them
[09:56] <janimo> fabbione: yes, if you mean today's builds yes I am already testing them
[09:56] <fabbione> if not, please prioritize them
[09:56] <fabbione> yeah today's build
[09:57] <janimo> fabbione: only i386 alternate since desktop CDs are the same as yesterday
[09:58] <fabbione> janimo: i didn't catch all the details, but whatever you and Kamion agreed :)
[09:58] <janimo> fabbione: we did not agree on anything afaik but I suppose I need to test the latest build, so I do that :)
[09:59] <fabbione> ok
[10:01] <janimo> ogra, Riddell sending out separate announcements? if so where?
[10:04] <janimo> it would be really nice if the new vmplayer package contained a plain empty hdd image just fit for trying to install new ubuntu iso's on
[10:06] <morgs> janimo: I'm sure images with k-, x-, ed- and ubuntu preinstalled will be easily available soon...
[10:06] <mvo> janimo: its the player, its not supposed for installing, just playing :)
[10:07] <janimo> mvo, yeah I want to use it not play :)
[10:07] <jdub> janimo: *hint* qemu-img
[10:07] <janimo> jdub: uuuh
[10:08] <janimo> jdub: hmm, but that'd still only be the image, I'd need to write the various vmX files no?
[10:09] <pitti> mvo: btw, will update-notifier pick up the new release, too? or just u-m?
[10:09] <mvo> pitti: just u-m
[10:10] <pitti> mvo: oh, then I made false promises to a friend of mine :)
[10:10] <mvo> pitti: :)
[10:15] <Kamion> infinity: heh, yeah :-) I guess I'm used to the baz era where you physically couldn't write to that file ...
[10:16] <highvoltage> wow, that ivoks to hollowlife1987 joining looks cool :)
[10:16] <Kamion> janimo: at some point after release I'll put together an image similar to the breezy one currently on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/vmware/
[10:17] <hollowlife1987> ?
[10:17] <ivoks> :)
[10:18] <ivoks> :)
[10:18] <ivoks> so, do we know exact time? :)
[10:18] <infinity> Nothing says "I helped make that OS!" like broad spectrum antibiotics!
[10:19] <Fujitsu> !dapper
[10:19] <Fujitsu> ie, no.
[10:19] <Seveas> ivoks, yes we do: "When sabdfl hits the big red button"
[10:19] <ivoks> Seveas: ok
[10:20] <Fujitsu> sabdfl or mdz?
[10:21] <ogra> mvo, ping
[10:21] <mvo> ogra: pong
[10:22] <ogra> mvo, do you have a link to your upgrade notes i could put into the edubuntu announcement ? 
[10:23] <mvo> ogra: what do you mean in particular? this one http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseAnnouncement
[10:23] <mvo> ?
[10:23] <Kamion> Seveas: mdz
[10:23] <Fujitsu> Kamion, I thought so.
[10:24] <ogra> mvo, oh, i thought that was intended for a separate page ... it will get merged into the emain announcement ?
[10:24] <ogra> -e
[10:25] <mvo> ogra: I'm not sure what you mean, this is what the user seens when he upgrades using the upgrader
[10:25] <ogra> oh, ok
[10:26] <ogra> so the only official upgrade procedure we have is "install u-m from breezy updates" ?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> mvo: we don't need the gksudo switch anymore right?
[10:26] <mvo> jsgotangco: when I hit my (smaller) red button, then not
[10:27] <ivoks> jsgotangco: for the last time? :)
[10:28] <jsgotangco> arghhh i forgot i erased it 2 days ago
[10:32] <\sh> ogra: mvo needs a new gigabit wlan router ;)
[10:34] <ogra> \sh, so you'll invent a gigabit wlan card that doesnt cook your lunch ? 
[10:34] <ogra> hey mdz 
[10:34] <pitti> mdz: good morning Mr. Ubuntu!
[10:34] <Fujitsu> Hi mdz!
[10:34] <mdz> morning
[10:34] <Kamion> Contents updated, apt-file appears to be working
[10:35] <pitti> Kamion: it sounds as if that is something we should add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseChecklist
[10:35] <seb128> hey mdz
[10:35] <jsgotangco> morning
[10:35] <Kamion> pitti: won't matter for future releases once Soyuz does it
[10:36] <mvo> good morning mdz
[10:36] <Kamion> we only had to manually drive it this time because the feature wasn't properly implemented in the archive yet
[10:37] <Keybuk> seb128: you need to seek approval before uploading to dapper-updates
[10:37] <seb128> Keybuk: infinity sort of approved that one some days ago :p
[10:38] <seb128> he said the fix is trivial but he would prefer to have it going to dapper-updates, which I did now ;)
[10:38] <seb128> Keybuk: who should I ping next time?
[10:38] <pitti> mdz: ok if I upload/have synced tetex-base with the hyphenation fix we talked about earlier?
[10:38] <seb128> Keybuk: we have around 40 GNOME 2.14.2 tarballs that will need approval :p
[10:39] <mdz> how is everyone doing this fine morning?
[10:39] <mdz> I SAID HOW IS EVERYBODY DOING THIS MORNING?
[10:39] <dholbach> mdz: lovely - how do YOU feel?
[10:39] <highvoltage> mdz: excited
[10:39] <Riddell> groovy
[10:39] <Kinnison> mdz: I'm doing good thanks
[10:39] <ogra> mdz, GREAT !!
[10:39] <highvoltage> mdz: VERY EXCITED WHOHOOO!
[10:39] <Burgundavia> it is great to be alive
[10:40] <dholbach> YEAH!
[10:40] <ogra> YAYAYAY
[10:40] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:40] <pitti> mdz: HAVE THE DRAGONS^WDUCKS CONQUER THE WORLD!
[10:40] <seb128> :)
[10:40] <imbrandon> heh /me thinks the frenzy has been in #ubuntu the last few hours ;)
[10:40] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, it's been riotous.
[10:41] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, to say the leaste
[10:41] <jsgotangco> drum and bass
[10:41] <Riddell> pitti: dragons!
[10:41] <Keybuk>  o    o   \o/   o    o
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Hmm.
[10:41] <pitti> Riddell ++
[10:41] <dholbach> ogra: good idea :-)
[10:41] <ogra> :)
[10:41] <imbrandon> Riddell, DRAGONS!! ;)
[10:41] <Fujitsu> My brother is telling me to `badger' mdz to press the red button.
[10:41] <Fujitsu> What a bad pun.
[10:41] <sladen> Keybuk: that looks like your new-style usplash throbber
[10:42] <jsgotangco> there is no red button
[10:42] <highvoltage> the time has come to... push the button.
[10:42] <TheMuso> ...and can improvise with whatever music is plyaing. Free and easy. :)
[10:42] <jsgotangco> just an enter key
[10:42] <mdz> Fujitsu: all in good time
[10:42] <dholbach> ogra: I just talked to a streaming expert - next time I'll have it set up :)
[10:43] <Fujitsu> Of course, mdz.
[10:43] <ogra> hehe
[10:43] <ogra> dholbach, "ubuntu release radio" ?
[10:43] <dholbach> yeah
[10:43] <fabbione> AWTY?
[10:43] <Fujitsu> Hahah
[10:43] <dholbach> ogra: Doing the Berlin Party was the best thing I could do - get to know all the crooks in Berlin
[10:43] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:43] <jsgotangco> dholbach: do an icecast :D
[10:43] <ogra> hehe
[10:44] <dholbach> jsgotangco: I tried setting that up, but gave up after 30 min and put up .ogg files ;)
[10:44] <ogra> UBUNTU GETS YOU EVERYWHERE !
[10:44] <imbrandon> dholbach, icecast ? its easy ;)
[10:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:45] <imbrandon> pod*
[10:45] <highvoltage> ogra: ubuntu release radio actually sounds like a great idea
[10:45] <TheMuso> Damn right it does!
[10:46] <dholbach> jdub TV! :-p
[10:46] <imbrandon> highvoltage, or just "ubuntu radio" 
[10:46] <Seveas> "This is Ubuntu radio, featuring Jeff 'Pantsless' Waugh!"
[10:46] <imbrandon> sabdfl and mdz weekly radio show ;)
[10:46] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:47] <Seveas> dholbach's bug of the week 
[10:47] <jsgotangco> it should have an ubuntu food of the week segment
[10:47] <dholbach> mdz live gigs on radio would be great :-)
[10:47] <highvoltage> the ubuntu cook show
[10:47] <JaneW> jsgotangco: :)
[10:47] <Seveas> Soupbuntu!
[10:47] <imbrandon> hmmmm *thinks about it serouisly*
[10:48] <JaneW> pitti: you lead!
[10:48] <dholbach> haha
[10:48] <pitti> JaneW: of course!
[10:48] <JaneW> 'let's talk about spec baby!'
[10:48] <imbrandon> hahah
[10:48] <ogra> lol
[10:48] <TheMuso> lol
[10:48] <Seveas> rofl
[10:49] <JaneW> highvoltage: and that's SPECS I am talking about, don;t claw out your eyes ok? :P
[10:49] <imbrandon> ROFLMAO
[10:49] <TheMuso> JaneW: That would have worked better for UBZ.
[10:49] <TheMuso> Lets talk about spec baby, lets talk about UBZ
[10:49] <sladen> imbrandon: State of the Ubunion
[10:49] <Seveas> "Tonight on 'Specs with mdz': Ubuntu French Kiss"
[10:49] <imbrandon> sladen, nice 
[10:49] <Burgundavia> sladen: sounds like a disease
[10:50] <mdz> sladen: with sauteed ubonions
[10:50] <imbrandon> sladen, i have an highbadwidh icecast server too on buntudot.org , hmmmmmm *thinks about putting togather a buntu radio show*
[10:51] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Yes yes yes! I'm up for helping. :) But not tonight.
[10:51] <Keybuk> We'll have to think up an edgy dance
[10:51] <imbrandon> right on, yea lets get the release out the door then work on it
[10:51] <Keybuk> perhaps something "modern" with much leaping off tall buildings and walking up walls
[10:51] <TheMuso> Has anybody consideredputting to gether an Ubuntu song?
[10:51] <apokryphos> For anyone who doesn't know, #ubuntu is officially the largest channel on Freenode now ;-)
[10:52] <TheMuso> As in actually recording, and producing it?
[10:52] <imbrandon> nice apokryphos
[10:52] <ogra> TheMuso, we could ask RMS ...
[10:52] <sladen> imbrandon: it's actually something that's worth doing.  Red Hat and Google both have very good internal communications (eg. a weekly downloadable tv-show to keep everyone informed along with tidbits and humour)
[10:52] <highvoltage> JaneW: k :)
[10:52] <ogra> or probably not :)
[10:52] <TheMuso> ogra: No thanks.
[10:52] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: where are the stats on that?
[10:52] <TheMuso> I think we can do better than his frale attempt any day.
[10:52] <ogra> hehe, yes
[10:52] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: #gentoo is the only other competitor
[10:53] <Burgundavia> imbrandon: even a small company of 30 people that a friend works for has a monthly newsletter
[10:53] <imbrandon> sladen, yea i was very serious about it ..... anyone interested SEROUISLY join #buntudot  we can talk aobut it after release ;)
[10:53] <imbrandon> its not doing anything atm anyhow ;)
[10:54] <imbrandon> apokryphos, i'm afraid to do a /list ;)
[10:55] <apokryphos> imbrandon: if you do get ready to killall ;-)
[10:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:56] <morgs> 978 people in #ubuntu
[10:56] <ogra> hey silbs !
[10:56] <infinity> mdz: Enjoy the big red button, I think I'm going to end up passing out before you get it pressed.
[10:56] <imbrandon> aww infinity its worth the wait ;)
[10:57] <infinity> imbrandon: If you've seen one release, you've seen 'em all. :)
[10:57] <jsgotangco> let him get his sleep :)
[10:57] <fabbione> infinity: good night dude
[10:57] <Keybuk> it's not so much a big red button
[10:57] <Mithrandir> it's a big button, takes a bit of time to push it.
[10:57] <ogra> infinity, but given that its probably only one or two cigarettes away ...
[10:57] <Keybuk> more of a steam pump that requires all hands on deck to get up to speed
[10:57] <infinity> Keybuk: I know, it's more of a white button with a blue border.
[10:57] <silbs> infinity: good night. Congrats, and thanks for the great work!
[10:57] <fabbione> 3 minutes
[10:58] <Mithrandir> infinity: brown button!
[10:58] <Mirv> is the URL for the final announcement known? I'm doing final touches to a Ubuntu Finland press release
[10:58] <thom> night ifni
[10:58] <infinity> Oh, okay, I'll wait for the damned button.
[10:58] <imbrandon> hehe yea , gnight infinity
[10:58] <TheMuso> Has the button got tactual markings on it? :)
[10:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:58] <TheMuso> So those of us who can't see it know which one to push?
[10:58] <infinity> TheMuso: I don't think CSS allows for braille.
[10:58] <jsgotangco> it has one big post-it note beside
[10:59] <Mithrandir> TheMuso: there are buttons beside it which eats your fingers if you push them.  We call it tactile feedback. :-)
[10:59] <JaneW> woohoo
[10:59] <Mirv> maybe I'll just wait too, the press release is otherwise done
[10:59] <TheMuso> Some feedback. :)
[10:59] <ajmitch> evening
[11:00] <TheMuso> If I happen to fall into that eaten fingers trap, and I find out who it was, they may get a big surprise come Parris.
 It's released - http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/
[11:00] <pvanhoof> if there's still a vmware player installed ... 
[11:01] <pvanhoof> the vmware-player package wil not ask me to uninstall it
[11:01] <pvanhoof> will conflict with it
[11:01] <pvanhoof> and the dpkg --configure will fail
[11:01] <pvanhoof> because the services are not shut down
[11:01] <imbrandon> Lure,  whom pressed it ..... !?! j/k
[11:01] <sladen> Mithrandir: it should be a pair of buttons on opposite sides of the screen, that you have to *click* simultaniously
[11:01] <infinity> pvanhoof: That can be sorted sometime when we're not PARTYING.
[11:01] <Lure> imbrandon: that is just from #ubuntu ;-)
[11:02] <imbrandon> oh i know, was just jokin
[11:02] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~# /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl.
[11:02] <pvanhoof> -su: /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl.: No such file or directory
[11:02] <pvanhoof> root@lort:~#
[11:02] <eXistenZ> How can I open a new translation group for ubuntu?
[11:02] <pvanhoof> another problem
[11:02] <pvanhoof> *reinstalling my original vmware, grmbl*
[11:03] <infinity> pvanhoof: That's not a problem, since it's unrequired with the packaged versoin.
[11:03] <pvanhoof> the script tells me to run that script
[11:03] <pvanhoof> because some failure
[11:03] <Riddell> eXistenZ: ping carlos 
[11:04] <pvanhoof> infinity, and because the script fails, I also can't uninstall the packages
[11:04] <carlos> eXistenZ: please, read wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ
[11:04] <infinity> pvanhoof: Ahh, that's a packaging bug.
[11:05] <infinity> pvanhoof: rm -f /etc/vmware/not_configured
[11:05] <pvanhoof> same problem
[11:05] <eXistenZ> carlos, Where can I find the code of my language?
[11:05] <infinity> pvanhoof: And please file a bug on the vmware-player package in launchpad.
[11:05] <pvanhoof>  Virtual ethernet                                                   failed
[11:05] <pvanhoof> invoke-rc.d: initscript vmware-player, action "stop" failed.
[11:05] <pvanhoof> dpkg: error processing vmware-player (--remove):
[11:05] <pvanhoof>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
[11:05] <Riddell> how do I do a CD check on powerpc?
[11:05] <carlos> eXistenZ: what's your language name?
[11:05] <infinity> pvanhoof: Rather than trying to discuss your bug right here, right now, while people are in the middle of a release.
[11:05] <pvanhoof> infinity, how many bugs do you want on it?
[11:05] <JaneW> ok, so time to start on Edgy specs...
[11:06] <eXistenZ> carlos, well, I talk several, but I want open a group for Arabic.
[11:06] <imbrandon> Riddell,  pearpc as a last resort would work
[11:06] <JaneW> and how's the SoC going?
[11:06] <carlos> eXistenZ: it's 'ar'
[11:06] <ajmitch> JaneW: just wonderful!
[11:06] <Riddell> pitti: you put a pass in the powerpc desktop CD check, how do you do that?
[11:06] <infinity> pvanhoof: The fact that the stop target fails if a previous installation is on the system is your fault.  Packages can't GUESS what you installed manually.
[11:07] <pitti> Riddell: boot the 'check' image on yaboot prompt
[11:07] <infinity> pvanhoof: The fact that a failing init script triggers the stupid "run vmware-config.pl" thing is a bug.
[11:07] <pitti> Riddell: just as with 'oem', 'server', and so on
[11:07] <Riddell> hmm, let me try
[11:07] <sladen> pvanhoof: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player/+filebug please
[11:08] <infinity> And now I am going to go to bed, since I stayed up to celebrate the release, not deal with "people who always feel the need to file bugs on IRC".
[11:08] <jdub> ogra: was hoping very much to do a global stream for this release, but there were a bunch of technical challenges in the way (including annoying proprietary software)
[11:08] <pvanhoof> well, the package is imho so not ready that it's not worth filing bugs on it ... 
[11:08] <jdub> ogra: had jono and whiprush set up as euro and usa anchors...
[11:08] <Seveas> hmm, launchpad says both 6.06 and 5.10 are current 
[11:08] <ogra> jdub, no fluendo love ? 
[11:08] <jdub> ogra: will do it next time :)
[11:08] <pvanhoof> you know .. fix it and test it, and then I'll file bugs
[11:08] <infinity> pvanhoof: If you don't file bugs, they don't get fixed.  We're not pyschic, and you're not so special that you get to be the only person who files bugs via IRC.
[11:08] <jdub> ogra: that's not the problem end :)
[11:08] <ogra> aww
[11:09] <pvanhoof> infinity, I don't really care about being or not being special. the package is so unstable that I don't think it was ever tested. But then again, it's dapper, it's the test, right?
[11:09] <apokryphos> Seveas: the big red button was pressed 8)
[11:09] <imbrandon> red button done
[11:09] <infinity> pvanhoof: It was tested repeatedly, just not on a system that already had a previous manual install.
[11:09] <mvo> pvanhoof: please, the package certainly was tested
[11:10] <infinity> pvanhoof: You'll find that LOTS of packages will blow up in that case.
[11:10] <ogra> apokryphos, the big red button sends out an announcement mail if it was pressed *and* released again
[11:10] <infinity> pvanhoof: Compile apache from source and tell me how well installing the deb goes afterward.
[11:10] <infinity> pvanhoof: Etc...
[11:10] <pvanhoof> ...
[11:10] <pvanhoof> fixing my vmware install now
[11:10] <jdub> pvanhoof: dude, turn the positivity back on. it's good practice.
[11:10] <apokryphos> ok, damn, not pressed yet
[11:10] <sladen> pvanhoof: the packages isn't going to get fixed unless you file a bug.  So please, pretty please, file a bug and stop killing everyone else's fun in the middle of a release celebration
[11:10] <pvanhoof> jdub, it's good that it's going to be packaged
[11:10] <pvanhoof> jdub, but imho this is not a ready package
[11:11] <Kamion> well file a bug and it can be updated in dapper-updates
[11:11] <infinity> (which it will be)
[11:11] <pvanhoof> I can start filing bugs on it, but then you'll all hate me for filing 80 obvious bugs
[11:11] <Burgundavia> pvanhoof: packages only get ready by people filing bugs and then getting fixed
[11:11] <apokryphos> 1000! in #ubuntu :)
[11:11] <infinity> pvanhoof: No, I won't hate you for filing 80 bugs that I obviously DIDN'T SEE.
[11:11] <infinity> pvanhoof: File them.
[11:12] <seb128> pvanhoof: nobody will hate you for filling valid bugs on a package
[11:12] <pvanhoof> fixing my own stuff first
[11:12] <Mithrandir> pvanhoof: uh, no, we don't hate people for filing bugs.  We like people to check they're not filing duplicates, but a bug report is not an insult.
[11:12] <seb128> pvanhoof: that's the only way we can fix issues on it
[11:12] <infinity> pvanhoof: The bugs are only obvious to you because you had the player installed via other means.  I, however, did not.
[11:12] <Mithrandir> so we like people to file bug reports.
[11:12] <pvanhoof> argh, --force-all also doesn't work
[11:13] <sladen> pvanhoof: then.  file.  a.  bug.  report.
[11:13] <Kamion> force just overrides dpkg, not maintainer script behaviour
[11:13] <jdub> Seveas: why did you put #ubuntu on moderate?
[11:13] <Seveas> because they're going too crazy
[11:14] <Seveas> just a cool-down
[11:14] <janimo> anybody want to eyeball/edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuDapperReleaseNotes ? thanks
[11:14] <jdub> Seveas: you realise that moderating them will just make it worse, right?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> janimo: can I edit it?
[11:14] <janimo> Burgundavia: sure, thanks!
[11:15] <apokryphos> jdub: putting it on +m a couple of times has definitely helped
[11:15] <sladen> Seveas: thanks for unmoderating it.
[11:15] <amac-laptop> the peasants are rejoicing
[11:15] <pvanhoof> putting an exit 0 in the /etc/init.d/vmware-player script :)
[11:16] <Kamion> janimo: I'll get it out to mirrors shortly - just backed up behind dvds
[11:16] <Burgundavia> janimo: done
[11:16] <janimo> Burgundavia: thanks
[11:16] <Burgundavia> apokryphos: why is Gentoo so high?
[11:17] <ivoks> yay! :)
[11:17] <ajmitch> oh good
[11:17] <janimo> Kamion: no hurry, I am still not finished with the qemu run. Although the results won't change anything at this point
[11:17] <amac-laptop> that means its released?
[11:17] <ajmitch> time to have a drink or two
[11:17] <Kamion> janimo: we've tested it here and it doesn't install ltsp-client or ldm
[11:17] <janimo> Kamion: oh cool, thanks
[11:18] <apokryphos> Burgundavia: because they need a lot of help ;-). Not really, though I guess Gentoo as a distribution requires a lot of walking through, and it's very heavily more community-based
[11:18] <apokryphos> that's why (I hate to say it) they have a pretty awesome wiki
[11:18] <Kamion> gar publish-release gar
[11:18] <Kamion> (creating wrong filenames for dvds)
[11:18] <apokryphos> since you have to set so many things up by yourself, it's just as easy to break almost every single thing
[11:18] <sabdfl> Happy Dapper Release Day!
[11:18] <Mithrandir> Kamion: ew. :-/
[11:18] <ivoks> congratz everyone
[11:18] <sabdfl> what an amazing effort - thanks and well done everybody
[11:18] <apokryphos> sabdfl: :D
[11:19] <Kamion> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-June/000083.html
[11:19] <sabdfl> mdke: phenomenal work on the doc team
[11:19] <apokryphos> sabdfl: check #ubuntu 8)
[11:19] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu bug 8 in texinfo "Contains /usr/share/info/dir.old.gz if rebuilt on current sid" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8
[11:19] <sabdfl> Ubugtu: <jedi wave> there are no dapper bugs </jedi wave>
[11:19] <ogra> LOL
[11:19] <ivoks> :)
[11:19] <siretart> congrats for the release!
[11:20] <ajmitch> great work
[11:20] <sladen> sabdfl: you could get the guys to add a button to launchpad to acutally make that happen!
[11:20] <highvoltage> sabdfl: you're probably tired of this, but thank you!
[11:20] <dholbach> sabdfl: haha :-)
[11:20] <TheMuso> Well done all. A well deserved rest is called for I think.
[11:20] <morgs> sabdfl and all: Well done!
[11:21] <pitti> me jumps for joy
[11:21] <pvanhoof> I simply pasted my terminal in the bug report
[11:21] <pvanhoof> have fun
[11:21] <maswan> Yay!
[11:21] <pvanhoof> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player/+bug/47823
[11:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47823 in vmware-player "If an existing vmware installation was installed, the vmware-player package breaks" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[11:22] <ogra> GROUP HUG !
[11:22] <janimo> pvanhoof: thanks for reporting it
[11:22] <sladen> pvanhoof: thank you!
[11:22] <rob> I switched to Kubuntu during the last release (from Ubuntu), it rocks too (so congrats Kubuntu guys too)!
[11:22] <Kamion> no, edgy will not be opened today :-)
[11:22] <jsgotangco> GO EDUBUNTU!\
[11:22] <TheMuso> lol
[11:22] <ivoks> Kamion: oh, but we live on the edge :)
[11:22] <sladen> Kamion: dapper-updates?
[11:23] <mdke> sabdfl: thanks a lot.
[11:23] <mdke> well done everyone
[11:23] <pitti> mdz: can you please add your blessing to bug 47822?
[11:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47822 in tetex-base "Please sync tetex-base 3.0-16 to dapper-updates" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47822
[11:23] <Riddell> thanks rob 
[11:23] <seb128> sladen: if you look on dapper-changes you will notice that some dapper-updates uploads already happened
[11:24] <Kamion> sladen: is already open
[11:24] <jdub> FRIDGED
[11:25] <seb128> Kamion: now might not be the best time to ask, but we decided to update GNOME to 2.14.2 on dapper-updates right? We can start on it with dholbach if we want? :)
[11:26] <Mithrandir> seb128: you're insane.
[11:26] <jdub> seb128: crazy mofo!
[11:26] <Mithrandir> but then, you haven't packaged new upstream versions for _days_ so you must be hungry.
[11:26] <rob> the download page is still 5.10?
[11:27] <seb128> Mithrandir: that's rather that I'm on VAC next week, then there is only few days, then Paris summit and then GUADEC
[11:27] <seb128> Mithrandir: so I prefer to get that done before my VAC if possible or it'll have to wait a month
[11:27] <Mithrandir> seb128: we still have the crazy daniel, though
[11:27] <Kamion> seb128: give us a little while to cope with the tail-end of getting dapper out here first
[11:27] <Keybuk> seb128: the incoming queue, publisher, etc. are all still off
[11:27] <seb128> I prefer to be around so I'm sure he doesn't break the world :p
[11:27] <imbrandon> who gets to update http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[11:28] <dholbach> seb128: ...
[11:28] <Keybuk> and will probably remain off for a day or two
[11:28] <Kamion> imbrandon: it's in progress
[11:28] <seb128> dholbach: you must be rusty after some months of icons stuff instead of desktop, no offense ;)
[11:28] <dholbach> pfffft, you wish
[11:28] <rob> Kamion, great :)
[11:28] <dholbach> seb128: I think it was years, actually.
[11:28] <seb128> :p
[11:29] <Kamion> as is xubuntu now that I've unbroken publish-release
[11:29] <dholbach> YAY XUBUNTU LOVE!
[11:29] <Kamion> in one of its modes, it found it hard to cope with the concept of a CD image whose version didn't have something like "-rc" on the end so it produced double dashes
[11:29] <highvoltage> dholbach: YAY!
[11:29] <Kamion> that code only gets tested once every six months ...
[11:30] <Mithrandir> Kamion: are you suggesting we should release more often?
[11:30] <Kamion> heh
[11:30] <dholbach> good idea :)
[11:30] <Mithrandir> the 4.5 month ride is going to be wild, I think.
[11:31] <TheMuso> Twill be a very interesting release cycle, thats for sure.
[11:31] <Kamion> janimo: can you add "release/" to the end of your URL?
[11:31] <Kamion> it'll be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06/release/
[11:31] <janimo> Kamion: sure
[11:31] <Kamion> due to a quirk of the cdimage layout
[11:31] <Kamion> thanks
[11:31] <Mithrandir> give a new meaning to the word "sprint", I suspect.
[11:34] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: whatever we can do to make it more fun, we should
[11:35] <sabdfl> this is supposed to be a crazy-but-fun cycle
[11:35] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: yeah.  It'll be _reallly_ hectic, though.
[11:35] <sabdfl> we can discuss substantial variations in the release schedule bof's in paris
[11:35] <sabdfl> to try to ease the pain
[11:35] <sabdfl> scott has some good ideas
[11:35] <dholbach> no uvf for example :-p
[11:35] <ajmitch> heh
[11:36] <ajmitch> that would be a bit crazy
[11:36] <sabdfl> s/good/interesting/
[11:36] <sabdfl> it's the EDGY EFT!
[11:36] <Keybuk> mdz is going to teach us all how to walk up walls for the edgy dance
[11:36] <sabdfl> ajmitch: we are going to do as good a job of virtualising the BOF's as possible
[11:36] <sladen> ajmitch: you should never regret anything, until it actually hasn't happened
[11:36] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: ooh.
[11:36] <sabdfl> we'll use VoiP to get you at the table, from the other side of the world
[11:36] <Kamion> cool, didn't know I could change that
[11:37] <ajmitch> sabdfl: that's great
[11:37] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: so we'll have bandwidth this time? :-)
[11:37] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: you reckon there wasn't enough at UDU & UBZ? :)
[11:37] <ploum> Congratulations to all :-)
[11:38] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: UBZ wasn't too bad.  UDU was _horrible_, bandwidth-wise.
[11:38] <ajmitch> UDU was appalling
[11:38] <ajmitch> in terms of bandwidth, but that couldn't be helped :)
[11:38] <seb128> ploum: thank you ;)
[11:38] <TheMuso> Thats what you get in Australia. We lag behind the rest of you guys broadband wise.
[11:38] <ajmitch> .au is a bit like that sometimes
[11:38] <highvoltage> how do i dist-upgrade to edgy?
[11:38] <TheMuso> Kinda sucks sometimes.
[11:38] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I wouldn't dare to comment further on that, being a kiwi :)
[11:39] <ploum> seb128: you did good work. I think you can have some hollidays.  I give you two or three hours
[11:39] <ploum> ;-)
[11:39] <TheMuso> heh
[11:39] <seb128> ploum: ah ah
[11:39] <pitti> ploum: holihours?
[11:40] <ploum> pitti: I don't think seb128 is able to "not work" for more than a few hours
[11:40] <seb128> ploum: you are wrong, I'm on VAC next week :p
[11:40] <ploum> Anyone knows if http://www.ubuntu.com/download will be updated soon ? (I'm linking to it in my announce)
[11:41] <ploum> seb128: you told me ...  Will you be one week without a computer ? really ?
[11:41] <Mithrandir> seb128: that only means you'll drop by twice daily to see how we're doing. :-P
[11:41] <seb128> ploum: yeah ;)
[11:41] <ploum> oh happy man
[11:41] <jdub> hey ploum 
[11:41] <ploum> Mithrandir: exactly
[11:41] <ploum> hello jdub
[11:41] <seb128> Mithrandir: no, I'm going to the sun actually and I don't think I'll have an internet access, so that will be a real non-working week for a change :p
[11:42] <Mithrandir> seb128: amazing! :-)
[11:42] <seb128> isn't it? :p
[11:42] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:42] <jdub> seb128: oh, you have sunny holiday destinations in france?
[11:42] <ploum> seb128: when your hands are shaking, it's time to find an internet cafe
[11:42] <seb128> jdub: who said I'm staying in France? ;)
[11:42] <jdub> seb128: good point
[11:42] <morgs> I didn't know there was internet access on the sun...
[11:43] <seb128> yeah, we have sunny destinations in France!
[11:43] <jdub> seb128: you said it!
[11:43] <seb128> vuntz_: I think jdub will have to pay that during GUADEC, what do you think? ;)
[11:43] <ploum> Is Sun this big shiny ball in the sky that some people are talking about in some country ?
[11:44] <vuntz_> seb128: you know, jdub will have to pay for many things anyway :-)
[11:44] <seb128> hehe
[11:44] <vuntz_> we don't need good reasons ;-)
[11:44] <seb128> :))
[11:44] <vuntz_> he has to learn french
[11:45] <sabdfl> Mithrandir: elmo says we should have at least 2mbit
[11:45] <sabdfl> i'd like to have a bit more
[11:45] <jdub> vuntz_: ah ah ah
[11:45] <seb128> jdub: coming to the Paris summit BTW?
[11:45] <jdub> ^ see, french!
[11:45] <jdub> seb128: yeah
[11:45] <vuntz_> jdub: seriously, how can you live without being fluent in french?
[11:45] <sabdfl> we'll see
[11:45] <seb128> jdub: excellent
[11:45] <Mithrandir> sabdfl: if we want to do voip and stuff, we want more, yes, or we'll have to QoS the whole shebang.
[11:46] <thom> vuntz_: you get to live with a sensible keyboard... ;-)
[11:46] <Lathiat> Hrm, how can one organise larger cd orders?
[11:46] <vuntz_> thom: hehe
[11:48] <vuntz_> seb128: btw, since jdub is coming to paris, I hope you'll make him learn all the basic expressions in French
[11:48] <seb128> thom: I'm sure you secretly dream to have an azerty keyboard
[11:48] <seb128> vuntz_: yeah, he'll be ready by the GUADEC time, don't worry ;)
[11:48] <Mithrandir> seb128: I'm sure it's nice to slap people with.
[11:48] <vuntz_> seb128: great
[11:48] <vuntz_> he has to pass an exam there
[11:49] <vuntz_> seb128: btw, what happened to the gnome-session patch that set LANG and LC_ALL to fr? :-)
[11:50] <seb128> vuntz_: shushhh, that's supposed to be a surprise
[11:50] <dholbach> vuntz_: haha
[11:50] <jdub> vuntz_: dude, french *so* isn't enterprise ready
[11:50] <Lathiat> haha
[11:50] <dholbach> yeah, it's going {hoary,breezy,dapper}-updates
[11:51] <vuntz_> jdub: you know, it's very enterprise 2.0 and 3.0
[11:51] <Lathiat> but does it comply with web 2.0?
[11:51] <jdub> maybe enterprise 0.1 (Narky Napoleon)
[11:51] <vuntz_> ahah
[11:52] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:52] <sladen> somebody should respond to Sun with "well, actually, our Software is already 3.141591265.."
[11:53] <fabbione> sladen: ?
[11:53] <sladen> fabbione: seen the Sun press release?
[11:53] <fabbione> sladen: nope..
[11:53] <vuntz_> hi moberg_
[11:53] <fabbione> url?
[11:53] <moberg_> vuntz_: hello
[11:53] <sladen> fabbione: I think jdub has the except on the elfridge
[11:54] <vuntz_> seb128: btw, the gnome-session patch won't be needed for GNOME 2.15.3 since there was no objection for this change after the previous announcement
[11:54] <seb128> good
[11:54] <sladen> fabbione: "[Ubuntu]  is based on the rock that is Debian and best of all the company behind it has a very Software 3.0 approach to business."
[11:54] <fabbione> sladen: yeah found it
[11:55] <ajmitch> sladen: lovely marketing BS
[11:55] <seb128> one extra step to the world domination ;)
[11:55] <sladen> fabbione: if you manage to decode it, let me know...
[11:55] <vuntz_> seb128: next step is to put the fr language packs on the ubuntu cd ;-)
[11:55] <fabbione> sladen: well it's PR talking.. i already spotted Ubuntu GNU/Linux
[11:56] <seb128> vuntz_: that's already done ;)
[11:56] <seb128> vuntz_: F2 on the boot, select french and you have a fully french liveCD ;)
[11:56] <vuntz_> seb128: oh, then we just need to enable it by default
[11:57] <seb128> right
[11:57] <vuntz_> and remove the other language packs
[11:57] <sladen> fabbione: the number of "GNU/"s in there is impressive.  They must be paying homage to somebody
[11:58] <fabbione> sladen: yeah SUN has a huge PR machine behind.. clearly it's their first Linux approach
[11:58] <looksaus> congratulations, all
[11:58] <highvoltage> janimo: ping
[11:59] <jsgotangco> fabbione: congratulations on -server
[11:59] <jsgotangco> infinity: congrats too
[11:59] <fabbione> jsgotangco: thanks, but i was only the manager.. infinity was my strong handworker there ;)
[12:00] <fabbione> *manager*
[12:00] <fabbione> well whatever :)
[12:00] <janimo> highvoltage: pong
[12:00] <jsgotangco> it works great
[12:01] <highvoltage> janimo: #xubuntu misses you :)
[12:02] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:03] <JaneW> sladen: hahaha
[12:05] <sladen> mmm, free pie!
[12:06] <janimo> jdub, mdz: where shall I send the xubuntu announcement when ready?
[12:06] <ploum> hey looksaus !
[12:06] <JaneW> ploum: nice bed time story :))
[12:06] <ploum> congratulations for ubuntu-be :-)
[12:07] <ploum> JaneW: thanks :-)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> JaneW: congratulations too
[12:07] <looksaus> ploum, you're welcome
[12:07] <looksaus> it's cost more effort than you would think
[12:08] <sladen> mvo: is there anyway to get https://launchpad.net/people/vmware-build attached to an email address so that bugs can be subscribed to it?
[12:08] <looksaus> <5 hours sleep for the last 4 days
[12:08] <looksaus> but it was worth the effort
[12:08] <ploum> looksaus: wow !  That's just like me with my university work
[12:08] <Kamion> sladen: ask bgertzfield to do it
[12:08] <ploum> indeed, it's great
[12:08] <looksaus> hope press picks it up
[12:08] <ploum> jdub: thanks to looksaus, we have now a real ubuntu-be.org website
[12:09] <mvo> sladen: in launchpad? I guess only a admin can do this
[12:09] <looksaus> and a press release
[12:09] <looksaus> and 80 volunteers all over the country
[12:09] <looksaus> who will work as public demo & install points
[12:09] <looksaus> see http://map.ubuntu-be.org/nl and http://map.ubuntu-be.org/fr
[12:10] <looksaus> and an official endorsement by the Flemish ministry of education
[12:10] <looksaus> and a team that knows each other a lot closer
[12:11] <ploum> and that speaks a mix of french/dutch/english
[12:11] <looksaus> sorry if this sounds like bragging
[12:11] <sladen> Kamion/mvo: ta, done
[12:11] <looksaus> I'm just quite happy things have gotten to where they are out here
[12:11] <ploum> ubuntu-be is rocking ! 
[12:11] <Kamion> mvo may be right that it needs an admin rather than just somebody behind the imported e-mail address; not sure
[12:12] <sladen> Kamion: ah right, bgertzfield is a vmware person
[12:13] <infinity> Did I miss anything?  Should I be drunk yet?
[12:13] <Mithrandir> sladen: re 47721, it'd be useful if you provided timing information as I requested.
[12:13] <sladen> Mithrandir: stop-watch style?
[12:13] <Mithrandir> sladen: yeah.  I'm just wondering if it's timing out or not.
[12:15] <Kamion> sladen: right
[12:15] <infinity> sladen: Assign the vmware bugs to me for now, I'll ping Ben about them later and get a team setup.
[12:15] <jsgotangco> it seems release is more sensible now compared to last year
[12:15] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: less chaotic?
[12:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:16] <sladen> jsgotangco: much more organised.  There's even a *big red button* to press now
[12:16] <ajmitch> yes, it's been quite an achievement this time round, everything seems to have gone very well
[12:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:16] <Kamion> sladen: well ... several buttons that must be pressed in the correct sequence
[12:17] <sladen> jsgotangco: and it's all hooked up to simultatious fireworks on 5 continents.  Amazing.  
[12:17] <ajmitch> sladen: you mean they skimped on fireworks in antarctica?
[12:18] <sladen> ajmitch: animal-rights issues.  It might have frightened the penguins---would have been really bad PR.
[12:18] <ajmitch> how sad
[12:18] <ajmitch> I'm sure the guys spending the winter on the ice would have appreciated it
[12:19] <Kamion> sladen: and actually publishing CD images is not really at the "big red button" stage yet
[12:19] <Kamion> so I guess it's kind of "feed Kamion coffee and then press several big red buttons". :-)
[12:20] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:20] <jdub> hrm
[12:20] <jsgotangco> Kamion: congrats on ubiquity too
[12:20] <thom> s/press.*/take cover/
[12:20] <jdub> can gnome-bittorrent start from an existing, incomplete file?
[12:21] <ogra> it pretends to
[12:21] <Kamion> jsgotangco: thank you
[12:21] <sladen> jdub: assuming it works like the rest;  give it the .torrent, and it'll check in the current directory and scan anything of the correct name for downloaded chunks
[12:21] <infinity> jdub: Works well for me...
[12:21] <Kamion> next time we'll make the partitioner not suck ;-)
[12:21] <jdub> ok
[12:22] <AlinuxOS> Happy Dapper Day! ;)
[12:25] <jdub> mjg59: ping?
[12:27] <mjg59> jdub: Hi
[12:28] <highvoltage> ploum: how can you blog about flying cars at a time like this!!!???
[12:28] <highvoltage> :P
[12:28] <jdub> mjg59: does the x40 table have a wacom interface for the tablet screen?
[12:29] <mjg59> jdub: Yes
[12:30] <jdub> mjg59: what do you think of the screen hinge?
[12:30] <jdub> (someone here asking about ubuntu compat)
[12:31] <thom> jdub: i like my x41 tablet...
[12:31] <mjg59> jdub: Not auto-detected
[12:31] <mjg59> Haven't figured out how it's signalled
[12:31] <jdub> thom: oh, rad
[12:32] <jdub> mjg59: oh, i mean, strength
[12:32] <mjg59> But just apt-get install wacom-tools for screen love
[12:32] <mjg59> jdub: Oh, right. Seems fine,
[12:32] <sladen> ploum: you forgot to link to the Dapper Car:  http://www.netsplit.com/blog/work/canonical/new_theme.html
[12:32] <thom> mjg59: you can probably have mine to play with for a few days since $newjob will be giving me shiny...
[12:32] <mjg59> Hurrah
[12:34] <jdub> yay
[12:34] <jdub> more alptops for mjg59 
[12:34] <jdub> just what he needs!
[12:34] <Mithrandir> jdub: he needs them to build his new home.
[12:34] <Mithrandir> it'll be the first building in the world to be made entirely of laptops
[12:34] <jdub> it will be full of awesome
[12:35] <MysteriousGEGL> with compiz powered doors and windows
[12:35] <imbrandon> heh
[12:37] <Gervystar> jdub: I've just installed vmware-player to give it a try, but it doesn't start and it prints a lot of errors. Seems like it has been compiled with wrong references to some shared libs. Here's the output: http://pastebin.com/750996
[12:37] <sladen> thom: proper xrandr in the next release too, so the screen will be rotateable
[12:37] <doko> does dapper-updates and dapper-security exist for ia64?
[12:38] <Gervystar> nice job for everything and thanks for your work, indeed :)
[12:38] <pitti> doko: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/breezy-security/main/binary-ia64/
[12:39] <ogra> sladen, and we'll have a Xgl based scree magnifier for the a11y team ... yay, wobbly zooming
[12:39] <jdub> ogra: so, i don't really get that SoC thingy - compiz already has a magnifier...
[12:39] <ogra> jdub, i dont get many of these SoC projects :)
[12:40] <jdub> Gervystar: uh, weird - can you file a bug?
[12:40] <Lure> Gervystar: works here - you shoudl submit the bug
[12:40] <ajmitch> jdub: you'd deprive a student of a chance to learn & earn $4500? :)
[12:40] <ogra> jdub, especially ubuntu welcome center :)
[12:40] <Gervystar> jdub: of course. I'll do it right now
[12:40] <pitti> Keybuk: how much beer/pie/neck massages would it take to do bug 47822? :) (I just want to make sure that people who upgrade to dapper today will get it right)
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47822 in tetex-base "Please sync tetex-base 3.0-16 to dapper-updates" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47822
[12:41] <Kamion> pitti: I can do it - have you test-built/installed it?
[12:41] <pitti> Kamion: yes, of course
[12:41] <pitti> Kamion: install from scratch, upgrade from breezy and dapper, and verified that it fixes the bug
[12:41] <Kamion> ok
[12:41] <pitti> Kamion: thank you!
[12:42] <Kamion> access to the DC is ... a little on the slow side just now
[12:42] <Gervystar> jdub: seems like someone else has already reported it, the bug is #47792
[12:44] <jdub> Gervystar: if you could comment that you've seen the same, that would be handy
[12:44] <Gervystar> jdub: done :)
[12:44] <jdub> rad, thanks :)
[12:45] <Kamion> hmm, sync-source doesn't actually understand pockets (dapper-updates)
[12:45] <Kamion> but I can just edit the .changes
[12:45] <Kamion> pitti: erm, the current version in unstable is older
[12:45] <pitti> Kamion: I can also upload manually if necessary
[12:46] <Kamion> er, newer
[12:46] <pitti> Kamion: older?
[12:46] <Kamion> 3.0-18
[12:46] <pitti> Kamion: yes, that's why I asked to sync -16 from snapshot.d.n
[12:46] <pitti> Kamion: the newer revisions are inappropriate for dapper
[12:46] <Kamion> oh, I see. not sure I can do that with sync-source; please upload manually
[12:47] <pitti> alright
[12:47] <infinity> No, don't.
[12:47] <Kamion> ?
[12:47] <infinity> It's easy to do with sync-source.
[12:47] <infinity> Same way I do incoming syncs.
[12:48] <jono> incidentally, congrats on the Dapper release folks :)
[12:48] <infinity> Kamion: Download the source, dpkg-scansources it, use that as your source distro.
[12:48] <jono> a good job, well done :)
[12:48] <Kamion> infinity: oh, ok - doesn't sync-source need it to be in its hardcoded table
[12:48] <infinity> Kamion: sync-source will see that it's already downloaded, and won't go looking for it to download again.  And you win.
[12:48] <Kamion> ?
[12:48] <Kamion> aha
[12:48] <pitti> infinity: so you can't point it to an arbitrary .dsc URL?
[12:49] <infinity> Kamion: It may still need to use the lookup table to find the foo_bar_Sources file on disk.  If so, "incoming" was already hardcoded.
[12:49] <infinity> Kamion: And if that's the case, just use "incoming". :)
[12:49] <infinity> Cheating, for the win.
[12:49] <janimo> jdub: do you think esd could go away for gnome 2.16?
[12:50] <pitti> jdub, janimo: the only thing still holding it are sound events in libgnome
[12:50] <pitti> that should disappear, totally
[12:51] <seb128> I'm not convinced it'll be done for 2.16 though
[12:51] <Kamion> aha, calling it Debian_20060323_main_Sources works
[12:51] <seb128> 2.15 cycle is already started for a while and freeze will come fast
[12:51] <mdz> janimo: fire when ready, yes
[12:51] <janimo> so what is with polypaudio coming back again? wasn't alsa good enough by itself?
[12:51] <mdz> janimo: I just tested out a xubuntu ltsp setup in vmware, nice and snappy
[12:51] <jdub> alsa is penis
[12:51] <pitti> seb128: it's that hard to operate out of libgnome? (I don't know)
[12:51] <mdz> janimo: do you highlight that in the release announcement?
[12:51] <janimo> mdz, to u-a? 
[12:52] <jdub> ^ does that breach the CoC? if i say penis, does that breach trhe CoC?
[12:52] <pitti> janimo: I never said I was fancy of adding it back, and I doubt we will. Alsa gets better every day
[12:52] <mdz> janimo: yes
[12:52] <janimo> mdz https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuDapperReleaseNotes
[12:52] <mdz> janimo: I'd like to review the announcement before you send it out
[12:52] <janimo> mdz, yes I mention ltsp
[12:52] <seb128> pitti: it's not trivial but it should not be too hard neither, just need somebody knowing libgnome and gstreamer to spend some time on it
[12:52] <mdz> janimo: is it in the wiki?
[12:52] <jono> jdub: saying 'penis' breaches something
[12:52] <janimo> mdz, ^^ :)
[12:52] <Kamion> pitti: +-<li><a href="amstex/amsguide.dvi">amsguide.dvi</a>
[12:52] <Kamion> ++<li><a href="amstex/amsguide.dvi.gz.">amsguide.dvi</a>
[12:52] <mdz> janimo: release notes = announcement?
[12:53] <Kamion> is that . intentional? also later on
[12:53] <janimo> mdz, ah good question
[12:53] <pitti> Kamion: uh, that looks fishy; I'll check it in detail
[12:54] <mdz> janimo: we should highlight the fact that this is the first official Xubuntu release
[12:54] <janimo> mdz, ok I'll make a real announcement as I was not sure 
[12:54] <mdz> janimo: mind if I make some edits?
[12:54] <janimo> mdz, please go ahead
[12:56] <gathers> about the DapperReleaseNotes, is #47537 really the right bug? "Systems that are upgraded since hoary (or earlier) may have to manually delete linux-image-2.6.10 packages before the upgrade (#47537)."
[12:56] <Kamion> pitti: thanks
[12:56] <Kamion> pitti: it's possible it magically works, I guess
[12:56] <pvanhoof> infinity, why again did you ask me to waste my time on filing the bug? Adriaan Peeters immediately rejected the bug
[12:57] <pvanhoof> please never again ask me to waste my time on filing bugs
[12:57] <pvanhoof> that way we can all be productive
[12:57] <Kamion> pitti: if not, it is a pretty enormous diff, and perhaps backporting is more productive
[12:57] <pitti> Kamion: yes, I can do that, too
[12:58] <Kamion> pvanhoof: sometimes people reject bugs incorrectly. I don't know this Adriaan Peeters person and I don't believe he's responsible for the vmware-player packaging
[12:58] <pvanhoof> can any person decide to reject a bug?
[12:58] <Kamion> blaming infinity for something somebody else did is foolish
[12:58] <Kamion> yes
[12:58] <pvanhoof> in that case, wipe what I just said
[12:59] <Kamion> your response is certainly overstated
[01:00] <pvanhoof> Kamion, it's that I basically said that I would waste my time filing the bug, and people here insisted I did file it
[01:00] <pvanhoof> s/did/do
[01:00] <Kamion> I've reopened the bug. Please make your responses a little more measured in future
[01:00] <mdz> janimo: you've checked the hardware requirements I assume?
[01:00] <infinity> pvanhoof: Who?
[01:00] <janimo> mdz, sure
[01:00] <seb128> pvanhoof: maybe you could calm down? there is no need to be rude with people like that
[01:01] <sladen> Kamion: snap.  Not only simultanious, but also both dead on 12:00:00
[01:01] <Kamion> sladen: ?
[01:01] <mdz> janimo: ok, I've revised, how does that look to you?
[01:01] <Kamion> oh, heh
[01:02] <jdub> pvanhoof: turn the positivity back on please
[01:02] <pvanhoof> done, its on
[01:02] <janimo> mdz, looking now
[01:02] <sladen> Kamion: I reopened, assigned and replied to #47823 at the same moment
[01:02] <pvanhoof> I didn't knew anybody can reject bugs
[01:02] <mdz> janimo: oh, we should add a link to the release notes page in the wiki, so that you can update it later on
[01:03] <janimo> mdz, any chace xubuntu gets linked from the main ubuntu.com page under related distros?
[01:04] <mdz> janimo: should be, yes.  I'll check into it
[01:04] <janimo> or we could wait itll the xubuntu site is in a better shape in a few days
[01:05] <janimo> mdz, yes the notes look much better now, thanks ;)
[01:15] <Kamion> lamont: do you want Kubuntu ports published? (have they been tested at all?)
[01:17] <Riddell> Kamion: only report I've had is a fail on kubuntu sparc
[01:17] <ploum> sladen: just saw your link about the dapper car !
[01:17] <ploum> :-DS
[01:17] <ploum> :-D
[01:18] <Kamion> Riddell: sparc may well be failing for other reasons I suspect; fabbione asked me not to publish that for Ubuntu yet
[01:18] <fabbione> Riddell: does your user realize that we do not support kubuntu?
[01:19] <Riddell> fabbione: yes
[01:19] <fabbione> ok
[01:19] <fabbione> nobody ever even tested sparc/kubuntu
[01:19] <fabbione> at least i didn't
[01:19] <Riddell> so lets not publish that one yet :)
[01:19] <fabbione> it's not published afaik
[01:19] <Riddell> no
[01:20] <Kamion> I don't mind publishing Kubuntu hppa/ia64 if they've at least been tested at some point relatively recently
[01:20] <Kamion> although it would be kinda nice if the release images had been tested
[01:23] <mdz> janimo: fire when ready (I'd change "these release notes" to "this announcement" in the email, but leave it the same in the wiki page)
[01:23] <janimo> mdz, ah ok, I'll do that then. I was editing your announcemt so far.
[01:24] <mdz> janimo: if you have more changes, that's fine.  I'm happy to read over them as well
[01:24] <janimo> mdz, no it was just what's in the wiki but trimmed down, so the 'for details go to the wiki' make sense
[01:25] <mdz> janimo: oh, that's fine too, if you want to craft a separate announcement
[01:25] <nomed> janimo, could u Forward it to xubuntu-devel ?
[01:25] <mdz> janimo: the release notes and announcement can be very close for Xubuntu ,though, since it's the first release
[01:25] <mdz> janimo: more so than for {K,Ed,}Ubuntu
[01:25] <janimo> mdz, right it will be what's on the wiki
[01:25] <janimo> nomed, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XubuntuDapperReleaseNotes
[01:27] <nomed> k thanks
[01:36] <Kamion> ok, I think just about all the trailing release images on cdimage.u.c are published now
[01:36] <Kamion> lunchtime
[01:42] <janimo> mdz, sent you the announcement for final review
[01:42] <janimo> mdz at u.c
[01:52] <dholbach> Riddell: can you set bug 11573 on your 'special' list?
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 11573 in gnome-utils "GNOME Dictionary program/applet preferences error" [Normal,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/11573
[01:52] <dholbach> oops
[01:52] <dholbach> wrong bug
[01:52] <dholbach> Riddell: bug 11753
[01:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 11753 in Ubuntu "Arabic support severely broken" [Major,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/11753
[01:52] <dholbach> Riddell: it has a patch attached
[01:54] <Riddell> dholbach: thanks, will do
[01:54] <dholbach> cool
[01:57] <netgrabber> hi, what is proposed for? do i need it? should i enable it? sorry for asking here on ubuntu noone knows this
[02:04] <zul> heylo...congrats folks
[02:04] <pitti> ogra: uh, bug 47834 sounds weird
[02:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47834 in xubuntu-meta "LTSP Users are allowed to shut down LTSP server" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47834
[02:04] <ogra> pitti, thats a prob with xfce-session
[02:04] <pitti> janimo ?
[02:05] <ogra> pitti, gnome-session apparently asks gdm if the user is logged in locally ... xfce doesnt do that
[02:05] <janimo> pitti, I need to look into it. default xubuntu install was not done with ltsp in mind 
[02:05] <pitti> alright, thanks
[02:08] <pygi> ivoks, another CUPS bug? :)
[02:09] <ivoks> pygi: ?
[02:09] <pygi> ivoks, bah, ignore
[02:09] <ivoks> as allways :)
[02:10] <mvo> can a python guru please look over http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/upgradeQuirks.diff ?
[02:11] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[02:11] <Fujitsu> Thank goodness you've fixed the nvidia-glx issue...
[02:12] <pygi> ivoks, indeed
[02:22] <moberg_> can someone point me to an example of how to use GConfChangeSet ?
[02:25] <Fujitsu> TeTeX is really large...
[02:25] <_ion> Couldn't the same stuff really be implemented in a smaller space?
[02:25] <pitti> well, it's just that I suck and didn't manage to type some variables correctly in the first attempt...
[02:26] <pitti> but debdiff'ing 230 MB of stuff takes long
[02:26] <Fujitsu> Hahahah.
[02:27] <zul> pitti: building cant be that bad
[02:28] <pitti> zul: no, but building the source package is (well, the debs take an equal amount of time due to sheer number and hugeness of files)
[02:28] <zul> pitti: building the kernel debs take a long time as well
[02:29] <zul> heh...thanks...dapper soon as well
[02:29] <zul> i think
[02:33] <pitti> Kamion: yay, I finally got it right: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14954
[02:35] <stratus> mvo: is your patch buggy or what?
[02:35] <pitti> Kamion: (the debian/rules hunk was generated automatically; it looks a bit weird, but I rather not touch it now)
[02:36] <lamont> Kamion: given the announced support level for ports, I don't see any harm in publishing them - although if we wait until the weekend, I might be able to test them and know if they're broken or worth publishing....
[02:37] <mvo> stratus: hello. just wnated some review before I commit it to my sourcetree
[02:39] <stratus> mvo: unfortunately, i can't test that now. The dapperQuirks looks ok, but i dunno about how you call that in the 4 lines above. Are you sure that func() will be dapperQuirks in breezy->dapper upgrade?
[02:41] <stratus> mvo: to turn debug easier, why not move that logging.debug from dapperQuirks() to above func() call?
[02:43] <stratus> mvo: hopefully getattr() will take care about weird stuff like fooQuirks() call attempt, but..
[02:43] <stratus> bbl
[03:04] <pitti> jdub: so you didn't convert to a French after all?
[03:52] <Kamion> pitti: that tetex-base patch looks fine to me
[03:53] <pitti> Kamion: it took a while to get it right, but now installs and upgrades work fine
[03:53] <pitti> Kamion: I uploaded it a while ago, can you please approve it?
[03:53] <ivoks> pitti: so, should we package cups 1.2.1 for dapper?
[03:53] <pitti> ivoks: I'm inclined to, but it needs testing
[03:54] <sladen> mvo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  this should say  'update-manager -d' right?
[03:54] <ivoks> pitti: i think we have lots of people who will be ready for testing
[03:54] <wasabi_> there has got to be a way to turn off the log out fading.
[03:54] <wasabi_> it just started taking 15 seconds Per Step on my ibook.
[03:55] <Kamion> pitti: accepted
[03:57] <Kamion> lamont: let's wait until you can test them at the weekend, then; we won't start building edgy CDs until edgy d-i is merged to the point of workingness anyway
[03:57] <Kamion> s/won't/can't
[03:58] <bddebian> Morning!
[03:58] <bddebian> CONGRATS EVERYONE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK!!
[04:00] <sfllaw> Whoooo!!!!!!!!!!
[04:00] <bddebian> Hi sfllaw
[04:00] <Kamion> seb128: bug 47847 is a "WTF?" bug
[04:00] <AlinuxOS> ;)
[04:00] <Kamion> GError: Unable to load image-loading module: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.4.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-png.so: invalid ELF header
[04:01] <AlinuxOS> bddebian, :D
[04:01] <Kamion> is that just going to be a squashfs/unionfs error?
[04:02] <Kamion> I figure it's not actually gtk, we'd have noticed that immediately during testing
[04:14] <seb128> Kamion: right, I would bet on file corruption, incorrect CD or something like that
[04:16] <Kamion> ok - I've asked for more info - thanks
[04:17] <janimo> Kamion, maybe in the stack trace ubiquity should include it's version number. He might have used an older cd?
[04:17] <janimo> s/it's/its/
[04:23] <giftnudel> sladen: as far as I understood, it should not (it's supposed to automatically show the new dist to the users)
[04:23] <Kamion> janimo: I'd been thinking that for other reasons, but there is no known version of ubiquity that exhibits that problem anyway
[04:23] <Kamion> so I'd want to look at it anyway
[04:25] <Kamion> Keybuk's confirmed that the file's fine in at least the i386 squashfs
[04:31] <Keybuk> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/5037794.stm
[04:32] <Keybuk> (OT)
[04:34] <bddebian> Nice
[04:36] <_ion> "Aina voi hvit"  an old Finnish proverb
[04:36] <_ion> (One can lose every time)
[04:40] <xice> shenki:its sort of unusable unstable
[04:40] <xice> any way of toneing it down
[04:40] <xice> soz wrong one
[04:44] <mvo> Kamion: can you approve upload to dapper-updates?
[04:47] <Kamion> mvo: yes
[04:48] <mvo> Kamion: I have a brown paperbag fix for the 3rd party channel stuff in g-a-i, preparing a debdiff now
[04:48] <Kamion> mvo: ok, sounds reasonable
[04:50] <mvo> Kamion: well, to be fair the first applications started to come in only a few days before the release, but still it is pretty embarrassing
[04:53] <jsgotangco> mvo: it can't be helped a fix is stil a fix :)
[04:55] <nuzzy> congrats Ubuntu team!
[04:56] <Kamion> nuzzy: thank you :-)
[04:56] <nuzzy> one thing, a VERY minor one...the file /etc/debian_version still states "testing/unstable"...did you want that changed?
[04:56] <Kamion> nuzzy: ye
[04:56] <Kamion> yes
[04:57] <Kamion> nuzzy: we've always had that, and it's deliberate; it reflects that we branch from Debian unstable. If you want the Ubuntu version, use lsb_release.
[04:57] <nuzzy> aah!!
[04:57] <tseng> lsb_release -a
[04:58] <sivang> happy dapper day!
[04:58] <seb128> Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/evince.debdiff ... ok for a dapper-updates upload?
[04:58] <sivang> seb128: are we uploading the nautilus fix as well or is it too early to ask? :)
[04:58] <Kamion> seb128: that bug number is wrong - what's the real one?
[05:01] <nuzzy> guys (and ladies)...I can't tell you how FANTASTIC this release looks!!  It runs like a top on my systems!  I work for Palm and know what it's like getting those bugs fixed and finally seeing the fruits of your labor come release time!
[05:02] <jsgotangco> nice maybe we can work for good sync tools for eft =)
[05:04] <nuzzy> ;-)
[05:04] <seb128> Kamion: bug #47201 (I used the GNOME one)
[05:06] <seb128> bug #47201
[05:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47201 in evince "Evince fails to open PDF files in FTP locations" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47201
[05:06] <seb128> the server must be loaded with dapper :p
[05:14] <Kamion> seb128: thanks - ok to upload if you correct the changelog reference
[05:14] <seb128> Kamion: ok, thank you
[05:17] <Keybuk> Wow, six hours of silence, everyone is clearly enjoying dapper ...
[05:17] <Keybuk> not a single "is edgy open yet?" :p
[05:17] <tseng> Keybuk: I'm holding it in
[05:17] <bddebian> IS EDGY OPEN YET?
[05:18] <bddebian> :-)
[05:18] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:18] <jsgotangco> crack fiend
[05:19] <_ion> Btw, is edgy open yet?
[05:19] <Keybuk> edgy is open, but only for special people
[05:20] <Keybuk> (note: it isn't)
[05:22] <ivoks> anyone with fresh dapper install?
[05:22] <Kamion> no, we're all running warty
[05:22] <ivoks> no, seriously...
[05:22] <ivoks> dist-upgrade from breezy works great
[05:22] <ivoks> but fresh install has few glitches
[05:23] <Keybuk> such as?
[05:23] <seb128> Keybuk: if you want some questions like that, I've the "is that ok if we upload GNOME 2.14.2 to dapper-updates now" :p
[05:23] <ivoks> nm-applet crashes on start
[05:23] <jsgotangco> hmm??
[05:23] <Keybuk> seb128: no ;)
[05:23] <ivoks> but if started later, it works, but never shows up
[05:23] <ivoks> it's missing icons/pixmaps
[05:23] <Keybuk> ivoks: meh, dunno why that appears every now and then
[05:23] <seb128> Keybuk: no, that's not ok, or no you don't want any question? ;)
[05:23] <Keybuk> it's not in the default install, and I decided not to care anymore ;P
[05:23] <ivoks> Keybuk: :)
[05:24] <Keybuk> seb128: the latter
[05:24] <ivoks> Keybuk: but it's in main :)
[05:24] <Keybuk> seb128: though I'm buggered if I'm running queue that many times -- it'd take a week to process!
[05:24] <seb128> Keybuk: fair enough :p
[05:25] <ivoks> and with nvidia driver there are consoles (ctrl+alt+f1->f6) but not displayed - screen is off
[05:28] <sivang> ah, edgy is open? interesting. /me wonders if to change sources.list and see what's there already :)
[05:28] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:29] <sivang> happy dapper day!
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:29] <Hobbsee> sivang: it is?
[05:30] <Keybuk> ivoks: that's a known nvidia-glx bug
[05:30] <jsgotangco> good night
[05:30] <Keybuk> if we had the source, we'd investigate :)
[05:30] <Yagisan> ivoks: nvidia works for me. just tested it
[05:30] <ivoks> Keybuk: i know :)
[05:30] <Keybuk> sivang: it isn't
[05:30] <ivoks> Yagisan: care to share xorg.conf with me?
[05:30] <sivang> Keybuk: ;)
[05:31] <Yagisan> ivoks: sure. dcc ok ?
[05:31] <ivoks> Yagisan: umm... i think yes
[05:32] <ivoks> thanks
[05:32] <ivoks> Yagisan: this is upgrade from breezy, right?
[05:32] <Kamion> please ignore the three dapper-changes mails that refer to breezy-updates; the uploads did go to the right place, the mails were just wrong
[05:32] <sivang> JaneW: do you have a spec list like we had for daper, that we needed to register it into launchpad ?
[05:32] <Yagisan> ivoks: no
[05:33] <Yagisan> ivoks: from flight 7
[05:33] <chris^> Hi
[05:33] <Yagisan> ivoks: look like yours ?
[05:33] <ivoks> Yagisan: no
[05:33] <chris^> when will the Edgy Repos open? :D
[05:34] <Yagisan> chris^: 2008
[05:34] <chris^> -.-
[05:34] <Kamion> chris^: two days after the last person asks ... ;-)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> the more people that ask for them, the longer they'll take to open
[05:34] <chris^> hrhr
[05:34] <Hobbsee> haha @ Kamion 
[05:34] <Yagisan> chris^: let them enjoy their release
[05:35] <Kamion> mdz's comment last night was along the lines of "I don't want to poke Launchpad with sharp sticks on Thursday"
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hehe - it'll get poked anyway, with all the new people...
[05:35] <Kamion> new people are trivial; new distroreleases somewhat less so, as far as Launchpad's internals go
[05:35] <Keybuk> whereas mdz's last comment today was "I'm going to bed" :)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Kamion: you underestimate the number of people who will file bugs, mostly with little information, and not having searched first.
[05:36] <Keybuk> and, more importantly
[05:36] <Keybuk> we've tested adding new people to launchpad
[05:36] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: hehe, very wise of him
[05:36] <nomed> isn't it possible to rsync from releases.u.c ?
[05:37] <nomed> i'd like to rsync the file i already have :/
[05:37] <nomed> but it seems i have to dwld the whole iso again ..
[05:37] <Kamion> Hobbsee: no, I don't, I'm just saying that they're not likely to cause Launchpad to behave in unexpected ways.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[05:37] <Kamion> nomed: it is; rsync module 'releases'
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  i was sure i put a question mark at the end of my sentence before...maybe i didnt.
[05:38] <Kamion> nomed: but rsync necessarily has fairly low use limits, so it may take you a while to get in
[05:39] <Kamion> the rsync server can't deal with hundreds of people hitting it
[05:39] <nomed> ahh k
[05:39] <nomed> thanks for the infos
[05:39] <ivoks> lol ok...
[05:40] <ivoks> Keybuk: fwiw, nm-applet shows up in 24bit colorspace, but not in 16bit
[05:40] <doko> hi tmarble
[05:40] <ivoks> still no consoles :)
[05:40] <Keybuk> ivoks: probably lack of icons then
[05:40] <tmarble> doko: hello!
[05:41] <dieman> oh that sucks on nm-applet
[05:41] <Keybuk> WATCH ME CARE!
[05:41] <Keybuk> Look, WATCH ME!
[05:41] <ivoks> :)
[05:41] <Keybuk> THERE I GO!  CARING!
[05:41] <Keybuk> :p
[05:41] <sivang> heh
[05:41] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  who gave Keybuk permission to go insane?
[05:41] <bddebian> hehe
[05:42] <sivang> Keybuk: shouldn't you be taking a rest or something?
[05:42] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I did
[05:42] <Hobbsee> bddebian: ah.  
[05:42] <Keybuk> I'm renaming network-manager to something beginning with 'g', so seb128 and dholbach can maintain it <g>
[05:42] <ivoks> Keybuk: thank you for everything
[05:42] <sivang> Hobbsee: nobody. he always have been.
[05:42] <bddebian> Keybuk: ;-)
[05:42] <dieman> i wish i could convince th emirror to do more than 500mbps
[05:42] <sivang> Keybuk: HA HA
[05:42] <Hobbsee> sivang: hmmm...if you say so
[05:42] <Hobbsee> lol!
[05:42] <dieman> but for 5-6 year old hardware, thats not bad
[05:42] <Keybuk> (in return, I'll guess I'll have to rename glibc to ulibc ...
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: and that leaves you with X?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:42] <Keybuk> oh, wait, we already have ulibc!  excellent
[05:42] <sivang> hehe
[05:42] <Keybuk> edgy will ship with ulibc, not glibc! :p)
[05:42] <dholbach> Keybuk: forget it
[05:42] <bddebian> doh
[05:43] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:43] <ivoks> Keybuk: merge it :)
[05:43] <seb128> :)
[05:43] <Keybuk> sivang: it's an ickle one for embedded people
[05:43] <Keybuk> oh, that's uclibc
[05:43] <Keybuk> meh
[05:43] <Hobbsee> cant believe how quiet and not-developmental this channel is now - i'm usually getting dark looks for talking by now...
[05:43] <dholbach> "Ok fellas, we dropped glibc. See how you can handle it! Love. xx"
[05:43] <ivoks> Keybuk: don't let on c distract you :)
[05:43] <dholbach> Mail from Keybuk before being 2 weeks in holidays
[05:44] <dieman> perhaps he wants to pick up libc from opensolaris
[05:44] <dieman> or something
[05:44] <Keybuk> ivoks: or, indeed, an e
[05:44] <Keybuk> sivang: I haven't decided yet ... I had a mohawk for the distro sprint
[05:44] <sivang> again?? :-)
[05:44] <Keybuk> sivang: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ickle
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: orange?
[05:45] <Keybuk> I could do orange to celebrate
[05:45] <sivang> Keybuk: I need to hook up udict to my dict , it has far better explenations for all your brits slang :-)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: or a combination of orange and yellow - mabye orange and yellow stripes?  :P
[05:45] <\sh> congrats to the Ubuntu 6.06 Release :)
[05:46] <Keybuk> sivang: the whole world will know two years time
[05:46] <Keybuk> when we announce the "ickle iguana"
[05:46] <dholbach> I wonder what happened of the Funky Ferret or the Sneezy Snail
[05:46] <sivang> heh, a replacment for Grumpy ?
[05:46] <\sh> Keybuk: when is "Smelly Smaug" coming?
[05:47] <sivang> oh, I like this "...Seems to originate in England"
[05:47] <sivang> (from urbandictionary)
[05:48] <Keybuk> \sh: 13.10
[05:49] <Keybuk> (October 2013)
[05:50] <\sh> Keybuk: good date...so we can all read "The Hobbit" ;)
[05:52] <sivang> anyway, time to go and re-install with the desktop-cd , it is so cool!!
[05:52] <pitti> sivang: ubiquity is fun, isn't it? :)
[05:52] <ivoks> :)
[05:52] <sivang> pitti: not only fun, amazing is the word I had in mind when I first saw it yesterday :)
[05:53] <pitti> mdz: did you enjoy your fried duck for lunch? :-P
[05:53] <sivang> pitti: plus this layout of the livecd allows it to be a good container for all sort of rescue/backup tools ;-)
[05:54] <mdz> pitti: fried duck?  I had salmon
[05:54] <sivang> pitti: if someone lost his system, and had a backup he had done with hubackup, then he can take a desktop-cd , re-install his system from there, then using hubackup that could be shipped with the desktop-cd restore his home content.
[05:55] <sfllaw> Roast duck would be pretty good though.  Maybe I should pop by Chinatown and have lunch there?
[05:55] <pitti> sfllaw: ask for a fried drake :)
[05:55] <dholbach> pitti: they'll bring you a dragon
[05:55] <pitti> mdz: don't take me too seriously today :)
[05:55] <sfllaw> A mad one.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> a fire breathing one :P
[05:59] <Hobbsee> enjoy the release guys - i'm going to go sleep!
[05:59] <sivang> night Hobbsee 
[05:59] <dholbach> Hobbsee: good night
[06:07] <\sh> ok...only for your information: kernel 2.6.15 and areca sata raid6 controller doesn't work properly :( 2.6.16 works without any problems
[06:07] <\sh> I asked a company here from germany which is building our servers with this controller for a sponsored machine...I hope we can get such a machine for testing
[06:08] <\sh> 2 dual core opterons 2.2GHz, 16GB RAM, 16x 500GB SATA disks
[06:18] <segfault> hi
[06:18] <segfault> :-)
[06:23] <Keybuk> Kamion: ping
[06:30] <Kamion> Keybuk: hi
[06:31] <dieman> hah
[06:31] <dieman> i went from 1.5k connections to 284 just by turning on 1 download per ip
[06:31] <dieman> same amount of bw
[06:32] <sivang> hmm, nice
[06:32] <sivang> bash seems to know what paramters an executables receives
[06:32] <sivang> how to hell does it do that? :)
[06:33] <pitti> sivang: and /etc/bash_completion, of course
[06:34] <sivang> I had dreamed about this feature, since when is it here?
[06:34] <sivang> :-)
[06:34] <pitti> sivang: whoa, since ages, really
[06:34] <Burgwork> uhh, did Riddell and Kamion mean to upload to breezy-updates and not dapper-updates?
[06:34] <pitti> sivang: you just have to enable it, it might be that doko enabled it by default in dapper
[06:34] <sivang> pitti: probably
[06:34] <pitti> Burgwork: according to the version numbers that was fine...
[06:34] <sivang> pitti: I recalled it worked once and then disappeared, and now cam back - yay!
[06:34] <mdz> Burgwork: the kubuntu-docs was definitely intended for breezy-updates
[06:35] <mdz> and I expect Colin knew what he was doing also
[06:35] <Burgwork> ok, just wondered
[06:35] <Burgwork> I can see that being the kind of mistake tired people right after a release make
[06:35] <sivang> pitti: you should probably add something for cdbs-edit-patch , I see dpatch has something
[06:36] <pitti> yeah
[06:36] <sivang> :)
[06:36] <pitti> patches welcome :)
[06:36] <sivang> pitti: yeah, I might even surprise myself and do something like that :)
[06:39] <pygi> hey sivang 
[06:45] <sivang> hey pygi 
[06:45] <sivang> pygi: happy dapper day!
[06:45] <pygi> sivang, same to you :)
[06:46] <pygi> sivang, done any work on "edgy scope"?
[06:46] <pygi> Btw. I can't remember do we have a product registered with LP, I know we have team
[06:47] <sivang> pygi: not yet, RF been too demanding again, plus a national holiday, will get to it probably next week or on sunday
[06:47] <Keybuk> Kamion: s'ok, was just seeing whether you'd left the office yet so I knew whether to leave the door on the catch or not
[06:47] <pygi> sivang, oki, just so I know :)
[06:48] <Keybuk> mdz: Colin knew what he was doing, sadly our queue tool didn't ;)  it put the package in the right place, but sent the mail to the wrong place
[06:48] <Tonio_> hi
[06:48] <wasabi> Congrats all.
[06:49] <sivang> tritium: hey, just now saw your ping :-(
[06:49] <sivang> tritium: I did not have to do nothing to make dapper work woth the SATA-PATA bridge
[06:49] <sivang> tritium: worked out of the box with one of the ancient dailies I have installed from
[06:50] <Kamion> Burgwork: as Keybuk said it was purely that the mail went to the wrong place
[06:50] <seb128> carlos: do you use a spanish desktop? do you have that issue:https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/47870 ?
[06:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47870 in gnome-applets "Incorrect date layout" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  
[06:50] <Kamion> Burgwork: also note the dates on the uploads; they were uploaded quite some time ago, well before this release
[06:50] <Burgwork> Kamion, ah, ok
[06:51] <carlos> seb128: confirmed
[06:51] <carlos> seb128: I guess it's an issue with the translation
[06:51] <seb128> carlos: ok, thank you. Do you think it's a translation issue?
[06:51] <carlos> seb128: yeah, the arguments need to change its order
[06:52] <seb128> they should be using %x
[06:52] <seb128> that would avoid that sort of error :p
[06:53] <seb128> date_format = _("%a %b %e");
[06:53] <desrt> i love when people do insane stuff like that
[06:54] <carlos> seb128: I'm looking for the string to fix it
[06:54] <desrt> isn't there a separate LC category for date format?
[06:54] <carlos> desrt: yes
[06:54] <carlos> LC_TIME
[06:54] <desrt> and doesn't that effectively let LC_MESSAGES decide your date format?
[06:55] <carlos> desrt: IMHO, is a bug with the application that adds it to the .po file instead of use directly LC_TIME
[06:55] <desrt> carlos; i agree
[06:55] <desrt> carlos; you should see gweather applet.  it's sheer comedy
[06:55] <carlos> some translators argue that there are some broken locales
[06:55] <desrt> it translates things like _("NEAREST_AIRPORT")
[06:55] <carlos> and is easier to fix it using the .po file that get their locale data fixed....
[06:55] <desrt> so gweather defaults to ottawa for me because my LC_MESSAGES is en_CA
[06:56] <seb128> desrt: bugs like https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/36392 ? :)
[06:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36392 in gnome-applets "weather applet gives incorrect "updating..." feedback." [Unknown,Unknown]  
[06:56] <seb128> "Hitting "details" from context menu shows that my city is: "DEFAULT_LOCATION""
[06:56] <desrt> hahah
[06:56] <desrt> yes.  exactly.
[06:57] <desrt> someone didn't translate DEFAULT_LOCATION in that locale
[06:57] <carlos> desrt: well, I think that's a good use of .po files... but I guess it lacks a good description so translators stop using 'DEFAULT_LOCATION'
[06:57] <carlos> well, or the developer should change DEFAULT_LOCATION with another thing if it's not translated
[06:58] <desrt> carlos; we have a nice translator comment for it
[06:58] <desrt> iirc, the code checks if DEFAULT_LOCATION comes back from _() and defaults to some american city, ....
[06:58] <carlos> desrt: then?
[06:58] <carlos> how is that possible?
[06:59] <desrt> i'm not sure.  something is broken, i guess :)
[06:59] <desrt> maybe someone translated DEFAULT-LOCATION to DEFAULT_LOCATION or something :p
[06:59] <carlos> then that's a problem of the translator
[06:59] <carlos> ;-)
[07:01] <desrt> pitti; g'morn
[07:01] <desrt> pitti; g'night
[07:02] <desrt> pitti; g'morn
[07:02] <zul> pitti: ping...whats your email addy?
[07:02] <pitti> hi desrt 
[07:04] <pitti> zul: pitti@ubuntu.com
[07:05] <desrt> seb128; the code has been changed _a lot_ recently....
[07:05] <seb128> desrt: what? gweather?
[07:05] <desrt> ya...
[07:06] <seb128> I doubt of that ;)
[07:06] <desrt> philipl has been going nuts
[07:06] <seb128> or you mean "really recently"
[07:06] <desrt> the file that that code used to live in doesn't even exist :p
[07:06] <seb128> because I don't think he changed a lot during dapper cycle
[07:06] <seb128> ah, k
[07:06] <dieman> man
[07:06] <dieman> the amount of downloaders using those 'open a bazillion connection' download managers is bothersom
[07:07] <seb128> some crazy new cycle we have to catch with now than dapper is done ;)
[07:07] <dieman> e
[07:07] <desrt> the DEFAULT strings don't even appear in the code anymore :p
[07:07] <zul> pitti: thanks
[07:07] <desrt> (gnome-2-14 branch)
[07:07] <desrt> seb128; my guess is as follows -- the default thing got (or rather, didn't get) translated, stored in gconf
[07:08] <desrt> then read back from gconf from new code that didn't do the checking
[07:08] <desrt> this is just wild guessing, though
[08:00] <lucasvo> I have problem with a tetex package, I can't download it (http://pastebin.com/751756)
[08:01] <lucasvo> It gives me a 404 error
[08:01] <lucasvo> Failed to fetch http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tetex-base/tetex-base_3.0-15ubuntu1_all.deb  404 Not Found
[08:01] <ogra> lucas, au. ???
[08:01] <ogra> err lucasvo 
[08:02] <ogra> lucasvo, from switzerland you shouldnt pull from au. ;)
[08:02] <lucasvo> ogra: oh crap
[08:02] <lucasvo> yes 
[08:02] <lucasvo> ogra: it was ubuntu which selected the mirror
[08:02] <lucasvo> I wanted english lang
[08:03] <lucasvo> LANGUAGE=en_AU:en
[08:03] <lucasvo>  :)
[08:03] <ogra> well, thats your own fault then :)
[08:04] <lucasvo> ogra: yup, but the 404 certainly not
[08:04] <lucasvo> poor au people can't download the package
[08:05] <lucasvo> (it is on the ch mirror)
[08:05] <ogra> well then the mirror might be outdated ...
[08:06] <lucasvo> you mean in a state with up to date package lists and not fully updated packages??
[08:08] <lucasvo> how can one ask for support in edgy atm?
[08:08] <kmon> hi everyone, thanks for dapper :)
[08:23] <kagou> hi
[08:54] <kermitX_> with the introduction of the server edition iso. should the "server" menu item in the alternate iso's been named something else to avoid confusion?
[09:01] <jdong|coreduo> congrats on the release, everyone
[09:01] <jdong|coreduo> elmo: you got a sec to talk about Backports?
[09:11] <wasabi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bug/1    Haha nice.
[09:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in Ubuntu Dapper "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  
[10:00] <_ion> I packaged picard. It's a great tool for fixing audio files' metadata. http://hassers.fi/ubuntu/dists/dapper/
[10:01] <Burgwork> _ion, #ubuntu-motu and REVU are the places for tha
[10:01] <_ion> burgwork: Ok, thanks.
[10:13] <crimsun> pitti: ping(unlikely), some debdiffs at security-review
[10:13] <sladen> sfllaw: did you see bug #47703 aswell?
[10:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47703 in gfxboot "No way to exit F6 <extra options> without reboot" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47703
[10:14] <pitti> crimsun: pong, I saw them
[10:14] <crimsun> pitti: ok, thanks
[10:14] <pitti> crimsun: sorry, I'll look at it tomorrow morning, promised
[10:15] <seb128> pitti: stop working and go get some dapper drink ;)
[10:15] <pitti> seb128: I'm hacking PostgreSQL again, which I consider free time :)
[10:16] <seb128> pitti: ahah :)
[10:17] <bddebian> heh
[10:17] <ajmitch> pitti: you never stop, do you? :)
[10:17] <pitti> ajmitch: well, I do, but not yet :)
[10:17] <ogra> seb128, what are you doing here btw ?  :)
[10:18] <pitti> ajmitch: after all these days of testing and installing I want to code again
[10:18] <pitti> :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> pitti: makes sense
[10:18] <ogra> seb128, stop working and go get some dapper drink ;)
[10:18] <pitti> even if it's only Perl :)
[10:18] <ajmitch> pitti: nasty
[10:18] <ajmitch> ogra: shouldn't you be doing the same?
[10:18] <seb128> ogra: I went to do some sport, had diner and started my IRC in case dholbach was around but he's not :p
[10:18] <ogra> he's gone drinking
[10:18] <ogra> i think :)
[10:18] <seb128> ogra: but right, I will get some drink and watch some TV soon ;)
[10:19] <ogra> good plan
[10:21] <HiddenWolf> I'm suprized that there is anyone here at all. Aren't there parties everywhere?
[10:22] <sfllaw-tv> sladen: I did see that bug.  And reproduced it here.
[10:24] <mvo> too late
[10:24] <LaserJock> mvo: hehe, got any free time?
[10:25] <sfllaw-tv> HiddenWolf: It's the middle of the week.  The Montreal party is on Sunday.
[10:30] <HiddenWolf> sfllaw-tv: ah, i'm on a student schedule, weekend runs from thursday to monday. :)
[10:30] <HiddenWolf> ;)
[10:30] <sfllaw-tv> Crazy!
[10:30] <ajmitch> heh
[10:31] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: and recovery is tuesday/wednesday?
[10:32] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch: sometimes. ;) Although I must admit I'll be pulling an allnighter to finish a project tonight.
[11:13] <ptlo> guys, congratz for the release and the hard work you've put in it, and a big thank you from yet another happy user
[11:14] <pitti> \o/
[11:14] <sladen> sfllaw-tv: already, okay.  it just that you didn't subscribe
[11:15] <sladen> sfllaw-tv: could you possibley subscribe to it and say that you've managed to reproduce it;  otherwise it just looks like triage
[11:18] <dieman> so like, was 915resolution to be banished with this x release, or the continued need to use it isn't surprising?
[11:19] <sfllaw> sladen: Uhm.  That _was_ triage.
[11:19] <crimsun> dieman: if it was to be banished, that'd be news to me
[11:20] <sfllaw> sladen: I reproduced it trivially and switched it over.
[11:20] <sfllaw> sladen: Does that not happen to you?
[11:20] <dieman> crimsun: ok
[11:21] <dieman> i was jsut surprised since 915resolution is only in unverse
[11:21] <dieman> and i just installed a new laptop that required it
[11:21] <dieman> thought it was weird
[11:22] <bddebian> Later folks, Congrats again!
[11:27] <ProN00b> do you realize that a worm that spreads to linux desktops is would be a threat to linux at the moment ?
[11:29] <LaserJock> ProN00b: I would think "worm that spreads to linux desktops" would imply "threat to linux" by definition
[11:30] <ProN00b> then why do you open ports by default
[11:30] <Burgwork> ProN00b, ubuntu has not open ports
[11:30] <ProN00b> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:58732         0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     4433/python
[11:30] <ProN00b> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:36884         0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     4427/hpiod
[11:30] <ProN00b> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:631           0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     4489/cupsd
[11:31] <pitti> ProN00b: localhost only :)
[11:31] <ProN00b> hmm
[11:31] <ProN00b> hmm
[11:31] <ProN00b> ok
[11:31] <ProN00b> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:68              0.0.0.0:*                          3717/dhclient3
[11:32] <ProN00b> how do i disable the dhclient3 ?
[11:32] <dieman> ProN00b: you may want to ask these questions on #ubuntu
[11:32] <dieman> (ie: see the topic)
[11:32] <ProN00b> dieman, too much spam there
[11:32] <ProN00b> ^___^
[11:37] <KaiL> hmm....
[11:38] <KaiL> so finally 12 hours after heise.de posted the news, it's time for first results...
[11:39] <KaiL> Bugs: rather a few people having problems - no really common issues. Way more people are impressed how it works
[11:40] <KaiL> Stability: it isn't perfect but works much better, than most I've seen before
[11:40] <KaiL> Lokalisations: there something went REALLY wrong with dapper. Overall the localisations are imho not really good
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> KaiL: localisations are the responsibility of the local team, in this case ubuntu-de
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> KaiL: there have been issues with unskilled translators for some locales
[11:42] <HiddenWolf> KaiL: unfortunate indeed
[11:42] <KaiL> HiddenWolf, well, there was a VERY late change in gnome-session, which really sucks
[11:43] <KaiL> afaik even after the language-pack-Freeze
[11:43] <KaiL> ..which explans the "Quit" in the System-Menu...
[11:43] <jdong|coreduo> well, we're gonna be refreshing translations via dapper-updates, right?
[11:45] <mdke_> yes
[11:45] <mdke> monthly
[11:45] <KaiL> but the CD has the incomplete translation... imho not a very good solution
[11:46] <mdke> KaiL: that's life
[11:47] <mdke> the translation infrastructure came into place very late for dapper
[11:47] <KaiL> oh, and VERY impressive work from the Serbian localisation team
[11:48] <KaiL> 44 people, who moved their language from 45% to 95%
[11:49] <KaiL> would be great, if such teams could be found for other languages too...
[11:49] <mdke> i'm sure it will happen
[11:49] <mdke> there are lots of ideas around
[11:50] <KaiL> chances, that there will be more time for i18n work for edgy?
[11:50] <mdke> what do you mean?
[11:51] <KaiL> as you said, the very late infrastructure
[11:51] <KaiL> I don't know, if there will be any changes with edgy?
[11:52] <mdke> well, the infrastructure is now in place
[11:52] <mdke> i would have thought it will be easy for edgy
[11:52] <dsas> It'll just be dependant on the time issue, being the whole cycle is only four months.
[11:52] <KaiL> would be cool, if we could get some 100%-languages ;)
[11:53] <mdke> KaiL: quality is more important
[11:53] <KaiL> make it 5 and release in 2006-11-09 ;)
[11:54] <KaiL> mdke, shure, but I don't think, this shouldn't be a problem for languages, which are currently above 2/3
[11:54] <KaiL> uhm.. one "not" to much ;)
[11:55] <mdke> yeah, quality is the biggest problem we have to look at at the moment, I think
[11:55] <mdke> quantity isn't so important because most of the user interfaces are translated in many languages
[11:56] <mdke> anyway, this is a -translators topic
[11:57] <KaiL> another issue are the desktop-guides, which are very often only partly translated and even worse sometimes outdated
[11:58] <KaiL> other technical issue: graphical config tools for every kind of dialup connections
[11:58] <KaiL> ISDN, DSL (pppoe) and such
[12:00] <KaiL> and a nice idea, I just had: a "post-install-Wizzard", which guides the user through all this little things to do, to make ubuntu perfect
[12:00] <ogra> ARGH
[12:00] <doko> KaiL: translations in Ubuntu/dapper are updated on a regular basis. just wait for the next update
[12:00] <KaiL> ogra, ? ;)
[12:01] <ogra> KaiL, you said post install wizard
[12:02] <KaiL> ..back to my idea: this tool could ask the user, if he wants the unfree 3D drivers and if only install them with one click. Or complete the language-packs if installing from desktop-cd, or ask to enable universe...
[12:02] <dsas> heh
[12:03] <KaiL> just all this little things, which very much users will want or even need to do right after install
[12:03] <mdke> KaiL: amazingly, you're not the first to have had this idea
[12:03] <KaiL> mdke, guessed so ;)
[12:03] <ogra> probably the 78126585th
[12:03] <mdke> the EasyUbuntu developers also shared it, and automatix, and a 1000 sounder posters who never did anything about it
[12:04] <ogra> even if someone does it, i doubt we'd include it