[12:02] mdz: so a ccrash in nsc-ircc? [12:03] nsc-ircc has some bugs related to probing, I think I may end up backporting to fix that up [12:04] mdz: I'll mark it for dapper-updates [12:04] BenC: I've attached the full dmesg to the bug [12:04] mdz: Ok, thanks [12:04] BenC: I can confirm that 46947 is nonfatal, occurs on this thinkpad x41-2527 [12:05] there were some odd serial8250 messages later on too [12:05] could be related === pschulz01_ [n=paul@150.101.6.36] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:06] crimsun: Can you sub to the bug report too please? [12:06] that sort of fix is something I want tested before I push it out to dapper-updates [12:06] BenC: done. [12:06] thanks [12:07] crimsun: BTW, work has already started on the first post-release dapper kernel, so if you have any patches that missed the release, just shoot them on over [12:07] mdz: dapper-updates is already open? [12:07] doko_: yes it is [12:07] we have the technology [12:07] BenC: k, I'll git pull this evening [12:07] thanks to cprov [12:08] mdz: what will the rules be for universe? all debdiffs get checked by you for -updates? [12:08] nice [12:08] in particular, we can get upgrade fixes into -updates before we go gold === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [12:08] mmm...gold [12:08] what's the ETA of gold? [12:09] ajmitch: they'll be reviewed by the archive team [12:09] mdz: will we have gold cd's in paris to take home? :) [12:09] ok [12:09] hmm, possibly [12:09] tritium: We have all those patches in our 2.6.15 [12:09] ajmitch: is there something in particular you're planning for -updates? [12:09] f-spot patches from upstream [12:09] Seveas: tomorrow [12:10] UTC [12:10] mdz, I was hoping for a bit more specific timestamp ;) [12:10] any particular reason? [12:11] a day and a TZ, what more could you ask for? :) [12:11] #ubuntu gets swamped with that question over and over [12:11] something like "not before noon" would already be useful [12:12] Seveas: then say the end of the day or something, so they don't get their hopes up [12:12] tell them to update now === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] ajmitch, hehe [12:12] and grab the cd on friday [12:12] Seveas: and you think that if one of them gets an answer, the rest will go away? ;-) === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] Seveas: morning or midday, most likely [12:13] Fridge says 0:00 UTC so lots of people think it'll be in 48 minutes [12:13] [12:13] hehe [12:13] Seveas: excellent, put that forward 24 hours :) [12:13] I think this is one of the nicest things in Ubuntu, we release when we feel it's right :) [12:14] sivang, I agree... it's true. [12:14] wasn't that inherited from Debian? ;) [12:14] well, [12:14] it's a bit better :) [12:14] "When it's ready -- within a 24 hour window" [12:14] BenC, no, that would be "We may release..." [12:14] :) [12:14] we do not need to wait for the "signs".. :p [12:15] sivang: Debian releases based on fixed criteria; we release on a target date and select our criteria accordingly [12:15] or a GR === BenC snickers [12:15] they're both "when it's ready"; we just have different definitions of "ready" [12:15] "When sabdfl presses the ceremonial button" [12:15] there is a magic button in Launchpad now [12:16] mdz: that's what makes it so cool, we have a middle point between top quality and sensible release periods === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] magic button for the release? :) [12:16] mdz, really ? which one ? [12:16] :D === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] anyway, back to backup before disk wipe out [12:17] the one which changes the status of Dapper from pre-release freeze to current stable [12:17] I'll press it for the first time tomorrow; this will be the first release we've done on Launchpad [12:18] :) I thougt it's manual change :) [12:18] it is [12:18] ah [12:18] there is a button to be pressed [12:18] remember not to click it twice! [12:19] lol [12:19] launchpad has grown so beautifully the last year :) [12:19] mdz, when will possible to update some packages ? I mean the period of first updates ? [12:19] sladen: hmm, I wonder if that was a test case... ;-) [12:19] AlinuxOS: there are already updates for dapper [12:19] ah :D [12:20] I have even one patch pending [12:20] critical I think. === sivang waits while hubackup backs up his home [12:20] mdz: Did someone actually design a giant red button for you to make it a bit more fun? [12:20] There's an off-by-a-character-or-two error in the centering of the textmode dialogue during cdrom check. === nowlin [n=nowlin@3e6b5915.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] Do we know about that ? :-) [12:21] Do we care? :) [12:21] iwj: the one in d-i, presumably? not the usplash/casper one? [12:21] Yes. [12:21] mdz: btw, boot and auto config of the desktop-cd takes ages on my t43p machine. is it known / wontfix for this release? [12:22] (that is the time from the boot, to when I Have the live desktop working) [12:22] and by ages, I mean nearing the 6-7 minutes or so [12:22] mdz: Oh, you're just talking about the drop-down box and submit button in "distros/ubuntu/dapper/+admin"... Damn... That's not the giant red button I was hoping for. [12:22] It seems to be trying to predict where the dialogue ought to be by counting characters in the string it's printing but the algorithm it's using for centering and the one for wrapping evidently disagree. Not really RC perhaps ... === infinity avoids pressing it all the same. [12:23] infinity: buildd admin != launchpad admin anymore ;-) [12:23] sivang: Dirty cd-rom drive or bad media. [12:24] mdz: Possibly true, but I still have a little yellow ducky... [12:24] What are we doing about kubuntu ? I'm really unhappy about the results of the upgrade tests I've been doing from breezy ... [12:24] mdz: I'll want to confirm with cprov that the buildd-admin stuff is completely fixes before they take the ducky away. :) [12:24] infinity: so you do! I thought they were fixing that [12:24] infinity: ah [12:24] s/fixes/fixed/ [12:24] (Test cycles for that take ages, too.) [12:25] iwj: from the sound of it, it's widespread upstream breakage that we're not in a position to do much about, though it's possible that it's simpler than I think [12:25] iwj: firefox implodes in interesting ways when upgraded while running as well, as you know [12:25] mdz: Absolutely, which is why we have that thing for telling you to restart it. [12:25] iwj: I think it's an endemic issue in all d-i dialogs. It's just more noticeable in some than others. [12:25] does hoary->breezy not break in the same way? [12:25] I'm not saying we should fix KDE. That's too hard. [12:26] hoary->breezy> dunno; I don't have a hoary kubuntu. [12:26] iwj: we shipped firefox for 2 years before we got that ;-) [12:26] But I think we should change the release notes to document a work{around,ing} method. [12:26] mdz: It caused endless bug reports :-). [12:26] iwj: or fix adept to reboot at the end? [12:27] That might help. [12:27] mdz: Though, "my web browser broke" is a bit less scary than "my computer won't even let me reboot it, and I had to kick the power switch" [12:27] But there's the difficulty of editing the sources.list too. [12:27] infinity: kdm crashing in that scenario is pretty spectacular, I agree [12:27] Also, in my most recent test, which I did in konsole, I managed to produce a system which can't open .odt files ... [12:27] iwj: perhaps in edgy, someone will port mvo's upgrader to KDE [12:27] the F3 text (server, expert, etc) on the alternate cd's is incorrect, given the new boot menu. [12:28] mdz: That would be nice. [12:28] which has the right sorts of hooks to deal with this stuff [12:28] kermitX_: What does it say? [12:28] But for now I would like release notes which document a working procedure. [12:28] infinity: it presumably wasn't updated when we renamed the menu items [12:28] kermitX_: It's still "correct" if it says you can add "server" to the command line to do a minimal install, etc. [12:29] Anyhow, too late, most people don't read help text anyway, etc, etc. :) === tiagoboldt [n=hIRC@87-196-19-80.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] adding that to the checklist for next time [12:29] working procedure> and at the moment I haven't found one. [12:30] iwj: is there a bug report open about this yet? [12:30] seems hard to believe that no one stumbled on this upgrading to a pre-release dapper [12:31] mdz: I agree it's strange. [12:31] The .odt problem has a bug, yes. Err, I don't have the number to hand ... [12:31] i don't read the F3 text that way. it reads like breezy. where exactly would you type in something like "server-expert"? at the start or end of the boot line? [12:31] Oh, there it is, bug 47780. [12:31] Malone bug 47780 in Ubuntu "example odt does not open after kubuntu breezy -> dapper" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47780 [12:33] iwj: I meant the fact that KDE implodes after being upgraded while running [12:33] Oh, that. [12:33] Err, I don't know of one, no. [12:33] anyway, to bed with me; need to kick this cold for tomorrow [12:33] night all [12:33] Goodnight. [12:33] It was clear we weren't going to fix that for dapper. [12:33] And it seems pointless filing things as bugs when they're huge and well-known. [12:33] mdz, thank you...and good night! [12:33] mdz: Thanks for your hard work. [12:33] night mdz [12:33] and ian :) [12:34] sticking "server-expert" on the boot line did not start up d-i in the expected "expert" mode. === infinity tests here, for kicks. [12:37] infinity: is there a scenario (on a laptop) that might be good to test? I mean , something most poeple would not attempt? (/me still waits for backup to finish then going to test desktop-cd) [12:39] sivang: The most interesting laptop cases are all the funky removeable devices (hotplugging batteries and hard drives and such), power management (cpufreq, sleep, hibernate), and if you have one, docking stations. === cge [n=cge@DHCP-6-217.caltech.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tiagoboldt [n=tsousa@87-196-51-91.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] infinity: f3 screenshot http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14935 [12:43] kermitX_: Hit escape. [12:44] When you exit gfxboot, then "server-expert" works. [12:48] infinity: "type it at the prompt". when you hit f6 to get the prompt, it is prepopulated with whatever menu item is selected. the f3 text does not indicate *where* amonst that you would type those parameters. past versions *only* required that one word, but doing so on dapper results in kernel panic on boot. === GmanAFK is now known as Gman [12:50] kermitX_: But if you hit esc, to get to the actual boot: prompt which F3 is documenting, it magically works. [12:51] kermitX_: yes, the F3 text should be updated to say "If you're in gfxboot, exit first before trying these" [12:51] (note that it's the exact same text you get if you hit F3 at the boot: prompt, but all GUIfied) === tiagoboldt [n=tsousa@87-196-90-157.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] infinity: the ESC keypress to exit the "graphical boot" is not documented anywhere in any of those help screens. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] kermitX_: yes, hence my above comment. [12:55] kermitX_: It should be. it won't be for release. Oh well. Most users will never do any of those "scary" things anyway. [12:56] infinity: hard to keep track of a few little text files with 15k or so packages to worry about, i guess. [12:57] question -- are there plans for periodic updates to dapper iso's to incorporate security fixes, etc.. similar to how debian re-issues stable? [12:58] kermitX_: Not currectly, but that possibility may be revisited and discussed. === jcole [n=jcole@palrel1.hp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] infinity: just wondering. considering the number of updates there may be in 12 months or so. be nice to have for systems not on the public net, plus keeps it dapper fresh and "in the news" so-to-speak. [01:00] infinity, we can have a 6.06 Service Pack 1!!! think, we can be just like the other guys! === ozamosi [n=nozamosi@h11n6c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] burgwork: at least ours would be tested. ;) [01:01] Burgwork: well, it wouldn't be a bad idea to roll updates to the install cd's a few times over the next few years, to save new users the bunch of security fixes. [01:01] Burgwork: i think it's extremely likely that we'll do that [01:02] we're shipping at a WONDERFUL time for free software stability and so on [01:02] but a terrible time for hardware refresh === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:03] jdub, yep. Plus then we can throw dapper in the face of vista and 10.6 [01:03] Burgwork: but.. but.. dapper doesn't have shiny! [01:04] ajmitch: works or shiny, works or shiny, hmmm [01:05] how about tested vs shiny? [01:05] Burgwork: I'm sure vista is tested, that doesn't say that the stuff actually works. [01:06] HiddenWolf, to me tested == been the real world and been used by real users just like me [01:06] Burgwork: I can test, find a bug, try teo report it to microsoft and be charged for it. That doesn't fix that bug I found. ;) [01:06] hmm, charged for bugs [01:07] Burgwork: yeah, you get a refund if the bug is confirmed [01:07] at $30 a pop, canonical could make a hansom profit [01:07] but this is OT, so we should go elsewhere [01:07] I should go to bed. ;) [01:08] Good night. :) === Bicchi [n=Bicchi@adsl-065-006-167-199.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-64-33.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=flo@APuteaux-152-1-64-33.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-86-96-206-196.adsl196-4.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] mjg59: ok, thanks. That's interesting that we have those patches, given my errors. [01:41] tritium_: Bug number? [01:42] mjg59: I've not filed yet, as this is my personal work laptop, and I've been giving priority to the Canonical laptop [01:42] tritium_: Argh grah [01:42] tritium_: Without bug reports, we *don't fix bugs* [01:42] If something breaks, report it. Don't start talking about using custom kernels. [01:43] mjg59: yes, I know. I recently encountered these. I will report it. [01:44] I shall not utter such heresy again ;) === Seq [n=chris@CPE0050bf1a898b-CM0011ae907ae4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] mjg59: btw, will i see you at the paris summit? [01:46] dieman: No, he's not coming because he HATES US. 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[03:20] http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/06/01/apt-get-install-vmware-player/ [03:20] he better be [03:20] i just said nice things about him [03:21] Aww, I got a perkypants mention., [03:21] I'm a somebody! === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === GregCig_ [n=gg@ool-44c45b7c.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jammcq_ is now known as jammcq === ktogias [n=ktogias@ppp144-137.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-85-40.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jammcq [n=jam@c-69-244-142-116.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] Hrm, is the LegacyHuman theme in my theme selector really what we shipped in breezy? [03:47] That brown's a lot darker than I remember.... Or I just got used to the current theme being a lot brighter. === bmonty_away is now known as bmonty [03:51] just before going to bed... when will dapper-updates repository open and moreover edgy? has it been decided yet? [03:52] .oO(hi/'night/'evening/'morning by the way :)) [03:52] ToadZzZztool: dapper-updates is already open. edgy will open soon. [03:53] infinity: it was a bit of shock for me when I moved back to my then breezy box as well [03:53] thanks infinity :) [03:53] g'night dev's [03:54] and thanks for the *huge* work on Dapper [03:54] You're welcome. :) [03:55] Burgundavia: Well, I remember being very shocked by the brightness of the new theme. And to be honest, I'm still not entirely used to it. But, unfortunately, I seem to be used to it enough that switching back is also uncomfortable. Bah. [03:55] Rock, meet hard place. [03:56] I guess I'll just have to do my own theme and get it into edgy. [03:56] "Adam's Middle Ground Theme, for people not entirely satisfied by breezy or dapper" === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] Hello [04:05] hey bddebian [04:05] Heya Burgundavia === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] infinity: I'm around now. === davyd_ [n=davyd@cugglephone.madeley.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:08] hey guys [04:08] has anyone else found ia32-libs uninstallable? [04:08] dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/bin/ldd' with [04:08] different file `/usr/bin/ldd.amd64', not allowed === jlj [n=agp@h460c8b3c.area2.spcsdns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] Hmm, I thought that got resolved? === lnxKDE [n=lnxG5@206.248.92.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxG5 [n=lnxG5@206.248.92.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxKDE [n=lnxG5@206.248.92.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxKDE [n=lnxG5@206.248.92.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lnxKDE [n=lnxG5@206.248.92.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dradul [n=dradul@unaffiliated/dradul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dradul [n=dradul@unaffiliated/dradul] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Make] [04:31] bddebian: It got half fixed, the other half of the fix got vetoed for being too intrusive. === pounk [n=pounk@142-217-81-161.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] davyd_: rm /usr/bin/ldd, then install ia32-libs. [04:33] s/install/upgrade/ [04:33] infinity: Ah, OK, thx [04:33] bgertzfield: Do you happen to know the guys who do the docs that ship with VMware Workstation? === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Samuca [i=1000@BHE200150046213.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Samuca [i=1000@BHE200150046213.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200.217.83.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pig|2old [n=dweep@141.11.234.60] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:10] jdub: Say, how does one get a hackergotchi on planet.ubuntulinux.org? [05:10] sfllaw: you mean planet.ubuntu.com? [05:11] Isn't that the same? [05:11] sfllaw: yep, but ubuntulinux.org is deprecated [05:12] infinity: I can get in touch with them. [05:13] Burgundavia: That's crazy talk. Are you also saying that I shouldn't be using http://no-name-yet.com? [05:14] sfllaw: yep! [05:14] they still work, however [05:15] Crazy! === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] haha, the dapper release announcement is on no-name-yet :) [05:18] I'll have to admit that jbailey looks really asian in this photograph: http://www.ubuntu.com/htdocs/uweb/menu/img-support.png [05:19] lol [05:20] http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu is out of date. [05:20] Ubuntu _does_ have a pretty graphical installer now. [05:20] haha === jsgotangco used to look like that in his support desk days [05:21] Nice. vmware player on Dapper. [05:21] Releasing with vmware-server in it too would be amazing, actually. [05:21] wasabi_: That's still in Beta. [05:22] And blew up on my computer. [05:22] Ahh true. [05:22] Sure works good. ;) [05:23] wasabi_: aj and Erinn have proposed that we add debugging symbol support into apt, much like sources currently are. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] It's a pretty good idea, if you ask me. [05:23] Whatcha mean by that? [05:23] I think we need a repo of all packages (at least main) that includes unstripped binaries [05:24] I'd be interested in some sort of optional dependency classing system. [05:24] Not sure how better to describe that. [05:24] Oh geeze, it's similar to USE variables on Gentoo. Taboooo haha [05:25] Such as something you can set... "debug"... Recommends: package-dbg [debug] [05:25] bgertzfield: In the "Guest OS Install Guide" that ships with VMware, the Ubuntu docs don't really have much of anything useful to say, but what they *do* tell every user to do is to su to root and set a root password "so they never have to sudo again" === anselmolsm [n=anselmol@200-232-236-25.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:26] bgertzfield: That sort of defeats the purpose of us setting up sudo, disabling the root password, and trying to get users used to that. :/ [05:26] bgertzfield: Would be nice if third party docs didn't try to impose their ideas of "correct root usage" on our default setup. [05:26] That's why I am saying why not have a seperate repo? archive.ubuntu.com dapper debug or some such? [05:27] infinity: are you serious? [05:27] bgertzfield: if you need help with your docs, come talk to the doc team [05:27] Burgundavia: Quite serious. === Burgundavia grumbles about this [05:28] infinity: I cannot tell you the effort the doc team makes to keep the wiki consistent [05:29] infinity: that is lame. [05:29] infinity: hold one moment, on phone === z_diver [n=someone@ip68-5-168-200.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] infinity: I can file a bug. Can you email me a snippet of exact text so I can find the offending page and get it fixed? [05:36] Burgundavia: I appreciate the offer! I'll let the docs folks know [05:37] bgertzfield: we are fairly large and quite active and don't really mind absorbing something like that [05:41] bgertzfield: Sent. === infinity goes to the store, then nap. === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch returns home === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] mako: you around? [06:14] Is he ever? ;-) [06:14] bddebian: not really. Makes it hard to write a book with him === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B01AD.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:19] hah [06:19] hows the book going? [06:19] last edits now [06:19] rock [06:19] i was one of the proposal reviewers [06:26] uh, pitti [06:26] 30x16.png translations/language-pack-kde-mn-base [06:26] 60x40.png translations/language-pack-kde-mn-base [06:28] infinity: Got the text. 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[08:28] Riddell: 47743, does this suggestion make sense and can you provide a patch? === amac [n=amac@pool-71-103-5-51.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ChaKy [n=chaky@lns02-0352.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Harti [n=Harti@unaffiliated/harti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-167-152.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-9-147.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] Good morning [08:55] hi pitti === infinity considers napping through the release... [08:58] 'ello Seveas, pitti [08:58] I've been up for a day, I suppose sleep might not be such a bad idea... === dholbach hugs infinity === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] "I think a beta ISO has leaked somewhere" *snort into coffee* [09:00] dholbach: where is that from? [09:00] forums [09:00] ah [09:00] uhh, welcome to development in a fishbowl [09:00] and #ubuntu is going nuts as well [09:01] well, it is now the 1st here [09:01] #ubuntu is going crazy! [09:02] dholbach: like, we released it onto teh intarweb. [09:02] dholbach: I wonder if any warez sites has picked it up or anything. [09:03] Mithrandir: i'm sure it has [09:03] Mithrandir, haha. [09:03] Mithrandir: that must be a 0-day release or something :-p [09:03] yeah, I'd think so [09:03] Mithrandir: i've even seen some files go around with OOo keyz :p [09:03] Hahahahahah. [09:04] highvoltage: uh. :-) === Fujitsu creates a version of OOo requiring a key. [09:05] someone was asking about an activation crack for dapper in #ubuntu earlier too ;) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] lol [09:06] while funny, it's more sad. [09:06] lol [09:06] jdub: !!! === imbrandon starts to write gActivation and kActivation just to see the look on someones face ..... [09:08] imbrandon: it will spread on the warzes sites like wild fire, saving bandwidth on the mirrors [09:08] hahah or better yet , just make the winderz one work in wine ;) [09:08] imbrandon, could you write xActivation for Xubuntu too please ? ;) [09:08] lol @ Gloubiboulga [09:08] I just saw http://perkypants.org/blog/2006/06/01/apt-get-install-vmware-player/ . I'm so pleased. :) [09:09] highvoltage: yeah start splitting the current image then upload them to newsgroups [09:09] bgertzfield: We're FAMOUS. [09:09] honestly I've never seen people spidering the release site by hand to try and locate a "final" iso. [09:09] I guess .pool is hard to find. [09:09] Oops, did I say that out loud? [09:09] *cough* [09:09] infinity: Congrats for you. :) [09:09] lol @ infinity [09:10] bgertzfield: Well, I was already famous on teh internets, so I'll let you have this moment of glory to yourself. :) [09:10] teh intarweb infinity ;) [09:10] I'm famous on the inside. [09:11] bgertzfield: That's just what non-famous people say to make themselves feel better. :) [09:11] Hey, were you in _Code Rush_? I don't think so! [09:11] "Oh, the other famous people are just jealous of you, because you make VMware packages." [09:11] I was a nerd on TV! === ulaas [n=ulas@ant-a5-02-asy17.ant-ro-01.superonline.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] janimo: gah [09:15] infinity: are we waiting on mdz to wake up or something? [09:15] Burgundavia, haha. === tdjb [n=tdjb@209.151.52.189] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] Burgundavia: at minimum we're waiting on me having breakfast and getting into the office. [09:15] Kamion: ah, ok [09:15] How long'll that be? [09:16] Fujitsu: longer if you ask him [09:16] I'm not answering that question [09:16] ok, I'm off to bed. good night all [09:16] True. [09:16] Goodnight, bgertzfield. [09:16] Burgundavia: mdz wants to push the big red button. [09:17] infinity: I figured as much [09:17] Burgundavia: (A few of us have access to the button, but he does my performance reviews, so I'll not steal the honour) [09:17] Yay for big red buttons. [09:17] heh === jnjb [n=jnjb@dyn-83-153-173-20.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] Or would it be green? [09:18] janimo: I'll start off a rebuild for you, I guess [09:18] hhi [09:18] Kamion: If I'd known you would approve it, I would have done it last night. :/ [09:18] Kamion: But I wasn't sure what policy we had or hadn't cobbled together for non-release ISOs. [09:19] well, I needed to fix the code too ... [09:19] i had a bug which freez my computer on dapper xubuntu, my config it's ibm thinkpad x24 [09:19] but I figure we can always release yesterday's images if need be [09:19] infinity: policy> making it up on the fly [09:19] right, breakfast [09:20] jnjb, try #xubuntu or #ubuntu [09:21] Kamion: I could have fixed his bug, I'm not completely useless. :) But yes, had no idea about the on-the-fly policy, didn't want to overstep. [09:21] jnjb: do you have a atheros card in it? [09:22] i had try but now i'm return on debian [09:23] whith beta3 freez at 2or 5 mins on x [09:23] shawarma no [09:25] Mithrandir: yes I think I agreee with it, you can do rm -f /usr/share/services/kded/kwalletd.desktop in casper to stop it running === jlj [n=agp@h-67-101-146-180.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] <\sh> moins [09:26] Mithrandir: was wondering if it was something like nvram being rmmod'ed === henriquemaia [n=henrique@87-196-228-65.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:28] Riddell: 'k, thanks. Could you add that to the bug? [09:28] yes [09:29] sladen: casper doesn't rmmod anything, so that's a bug somewhere else [09:29] done [09:30] Riddell: thanks === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dhonn [n=dhonn@ip68-7-120-207.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67F3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amac [n=amac@pool-71-103-5-51.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:35] does smurfix ever come on irc anymore? === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnjb [n=jnjb@dyn-83-153-173-20.ppp.tiscali.fr] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:37] Burgundavia, I don't think so... Haven't seen him in several eternities. [09:37] Fujitsu: hmm. Does he still run the -CC.org domains? [09:38] infinity: you win the prize! [09:38] Burgundavia, yes. [09:38] Burgundavia, yes, but mitsuhiko co-admins those [09:38] Burgundavia, I had great trouble getting -au.org redone. [09:38] ok === erez [n=erez@DSL62-0-140-58.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] Burgundavia: #ubuntu-locoteams!!!! [09:41] mdke: hmm, how many of ! [09:41] ? === ash211 [n=ash211@user-1121s5d.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ash211 [n=ash211@user-1121s5d.dsl.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:44] Happy Release Day everybody! [09:44] yay === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:44] Hi sabdfl :) [09:44] Hmm. [09:44] That was short... === dagmar_ [n=dagmar@80-235-77-99.tt.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] Kamion, thanks for the new CDs [09:48] davyd_: I do? [09:48] infinity: you told me how to install ia32-libs === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel === morgs [n=morgan@dsl-165-228-06.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aiwiz [n=aiwiz@ezerelis.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] highvoltage: ping === fabbione [n=fabbione@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] janimo: pong [09:54] highvoltage: there are new cd images which hopefully correct the ltsp install === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] I am now trying it in qemu [09:55] qemu is ok, but slow without acceleration. [09:55] highvoltage: will take a while, but if it boots up afterwards without the ldm restarts you have seen yesterday I'll conclude it works [09:55]