=== neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp176-182.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ChaKy [n=chaky@lns01-0454.dsl.iskon.hr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-184-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] Is anyone else really annoyed with all the OMFG Dapper is coming out countdowns? === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-015-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium_ [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] yes [01:03] very [01:03] You wanna see me blow my lid, go to #ubuntuforums [01:04] no thanks [01:04] good, because my BOFH is in full effect === ajmitch doesn't care any more [01:05] I've got enough actual work to do to keep me busy for awhile [01:05] Oh thats great, some idiot is threatening to report me === ajmitch has to arrange getting a couple of servers moved across campus somehow [01:06] yah I also have been working on this program for like the past week and it still doesn't work === Kyral catches his anger before he detonates in here [01:08] don't worry, it's never worth exploding over OMG $newVersion [01:08] I just think of the poor kittens [01:08] I got them back [01:08] and our staggering bug reports [01:08] I cat'd /dev/random to the channel :P === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] very mature [01:09] Actually I did it to see if I could :P [01:09] even more mature.. [01:09] there are plenty of things that can be done, that shouldn't [01:09] I told you I was in a bad mood [01:09] then avoid irc === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] Jeez, these guys are acting like the HURD went stable suddenly === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch should dist-upgrade the T2000 [01:33] except that it'll take a little while to do :) [01:33] lol [01:35] might as well get in before the post-release rush on the datacentre [01:35] you have a good 10 hours or so :-) [01:36] it'll take that long [01:36] 326 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [01:36] Need to get 271MB of archives. [01:37] at ~50K/sev === reda_ea [n=reda@adsl196-86-96-206-196.adsl196-4.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] lol [01:39] this is why the server is getting moved [01:40] I actually have to get around to putting the HURD on that old box I have... [01:41] why bother? [01:41] You know what else to stick on a Pentium 1? [01:41] that you got for free? [01:41] how much ram does it have? [01:41] No idea [01:42] I have never booted it lol [01:42] you'll probably need at *least* 64MB to use the Hurd in anyway [01:42] last I tried on an old box, it didn't even boot with 16MB === freeflying-g4 [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik [n=carthik@pdpc/supporter/student/carthik] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xhaker [n=xhaker@84.90.226.160] has joined #ubuntu-motu === patwack [n=paddy@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust120.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Se7h [n=MUAHAHAH@85.139.113.74] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dewd [n=dewd@201.29.133.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] heya [03:02] hi [03:02] hi ajmitch [03:03] /me's kinda tired after a 26h hours without sleep "day" but heya ;) [03:05] otoh i feel like a moron when I see the real ubuntu devs work ^^ [03:07] only 26 hours? [03:08] yep, and 5 days trip to Dublin which is a really nice place :) [03:08] heh [03:12] omg #ubuntu is a mess right now.. too much traffic :P [03:13] ajmitch do you know any disk managment utility that is capable of showing the location of the files on disk graphically or somthing [03:14] xhaker: you should have a look at #ubuntu-fr, 3AM and it's still crowded... [03:14] i'm suspecting my dapper .isos are scattered through my disk [03:14] I've never seen that much people so late... [03:14] i'm moving to the home partiton to see the effect.. [03:15] Toadstool: it's even later there [03:15] :) [03:15] their +1 or +2 from me === xhaker lives in Portugal [03:16] wow :) [03:16] they're as in "they are" [03:17] i'm proving it's late here by doing kiddie spelling mistake [03:17] s* [03:17] we have another 8 hours or so to go [03:17] crimsun: what's left? [03:17] xhaker: the announcement [03:18] only then will the chaos truly ensue [03:18] i see kubuntu announcement is still being drafted out [03:18] crimsum.. do you happen to know any utility that provides the feature i described earlier? [03:19] i just want to see a general view of how my data is stored on the disk.. or maybe.. in how many chunks is some ISO split [03:20] reminder: i will never use axel again [03:21] xhaker: not off the top of my head === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] g'night everybody [03:22] crimsun: would you think more than 40% fragmentation on a ext3 drive is bad? [03:22] it must be.. rsync struggles [03:24] yeah, that might be a bit much === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch wouldn't think it'd be too bad unless the disk was quite full [03:37] you can't see how files are laid out in the disk since it's fs-independant [03:37] ah yes, if it's at 90% that would be bad [03:37] 90% full with 40% frag == yikes [03:37] :( [03:37] scary [03:38] I've got a 93% full /usr/local [03:38] of course most of that is taken with a dd snapshot of an old disk [03:38] but it's a ~410GB logical volume [03:39] i guess sharing a 45gb ext3 partition with windows(games OS) is not so smart [03:39] no, it's not [03:39] trusting windows to do the right thing with ext3 is asking a bit much [03:39] it wouldn't be better using FAT [03:40] Dump: 2918/5931008 files (39.0% non-contiguous), 7705161/11831863 blocks === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] xhaker: so that's a very empty filesystem [04:01] it's non performant though [04:01] i think the problem is that i downloaded the isos in 100 parts [04:01] chunks, whatever [04:01] using axel [04:02] i thought it would alloc the space smarter === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] space allocation is something for the filesystem driver to do [04:03] if you wrote it on windows, wouldn't surprise me that the driver decides to fragment [04:03] no.. wrote it on linux [04:04] rsync takes 10 minutes to start in that partition === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] rsync does an md5sum of the image you're copying, iirc [04:04] hello bddebian [04:05] ajmitch but it takes only 1min in this other partition [04:05] it must be something related to file location [04:05] then it's broken [04:05] Heya gang [04:05] Hi ajmitch === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dudus [n=dudus@200.245.31.150] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] ajmitch: have you had a chance to look at the Kerberos stuff I've been working on? [04:31] Heya bmonty [04:31] hi bddebian === nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |ZuZuu| [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-33-18.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pig|2old [n=dweep@141.11.234.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-004-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jighead [n=soccio@69-162-25-95.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jighead [n=soccio@69-162-25-95.stcgpa.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === turboSeX [i=turboSeX@tor/session/direct/x-575a41980871c29d] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] has drake been released? [06:12] no. [06:12] no. [06:12] any idea about what time? === ajmitch thinks they should delay the release 5 minutes everytime someone asks [06:12] turboSeX: when it's done [06:13] :) [06:13] ajmitch: welcome to debian sarge ;-) [06:13] crimsun: hey etch *will* release this year [06:14] true [06:14] it's even going to freeze soon :) [06:14] maybe I should say, "welcome to duke nukem forever" [06:14] haha [06:14] is it true etch will support xgl by default? [06:14] approved etch release goals... [06:14] > - SELinux support [06:14] > - pervasive ipv6 support [06:15] sweet :) [06:15] turboSeX: I don't know, why don't you ask them? [06:15] ajmitch: them?? [06:15] etch == debian [06:15] ajmitch: are you not the them? [06:15] etch? xgl? god that's nuts. [06:15] ajmitch: ohh, i wanted to say eft [06:15] ajmitch: that was my mistake, it was a confusion [06:15] *nothing* has been decided on for edgy === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] there are suggestions [06:16] ajmitch: i heard eft will be quite edgy (experimental), so will it support xgl? [06:16] i see === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B01AD.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] hey dholbach [06:16] how are you? :) [06:16] what about selinux in eft? [06:16] Heya dholbach [06:16] turboSeX: maybe [06:16] is there any official eft channel? [06:16] no [06:17] hey ajmitch, bddebian - hello everybody else [06:17] considering that we're all just finishing up getting dapper done, it's a little early for it [06:18] and edgy will be VERY broken in the first days - muhuhauhuahahahaha [06:18] it'll be great! === ajmitch can't wait to throw all sorts of things in ;) [06:18] morning motu world [06:18] Heya Gloubiboulga === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] hey bddebian [06:19] dholbach: so do you have pet goals for edgy that you want to work on yet? [06:20] ajmitch: lots of things to do, yeah [06:20] daniel's going to fix all of apt-get.org, wooo! [06:21] yay! [06:21] hehe [06:21] crimsun: was it worth the six weeks delay? [06:21] bddebian is going to fix all the malone bugs! [06:21] turboSeX: to me? certainly. [06:21] all of malone? rockin'! [06:21] ajmitch: Suuure :-) [06:21] turboSeX: ABSO *f.cking* lutely === ajmitch is going to sit & drink! [06:21] crimsun: regarding features, or only bugfixes? [06:21] dholbach: i see [06:21] ajmitch: gnome 2.15.x for Edgy, merge back with Debian (this is enough already) - catching up with 24967246246 of bug reports [06:22] crimsun: how about 1 drink for every bug bddebian fixes? [06:22] w000t [06:22] dholbach: oh yes, I've got a large backlog of debian stuff to do [06:22] ajmitch: I think we're going to get 2.14.x into dapper-updates and after that, there might be pet goals :) === ajmitch has 2 main goals for egdy - network auth & selinux [06:22] and learning how to spell === bddebian has 1 goal. To win back dholbach's love ;-P [06:23] hah [06:23] he loves you! [06:23] ajmitch: will selinux have some frontend? [06:23] turboSeX: what do you mean by frontend? [06:23] ajmitch: some control pannel which could simplify some administration tasks [06:23] turboSeX: internationalisation, UI was improved during that time and other specifications finished and of course bugs fixed [06:24] turboSeX: so it was worth it, even if we now have a shorter release cycle [06:24] iff you mean runtime options like boolean options, modular policy loading, then probably [06:25] which xorg does dapper support 7.0 or 7.1? [06:25] dholbach: yes, the release cycle will be three months shorter for eft than it was for drake [06:26] 7.0. [06:26] 6 weeks, not 3 months [06:26] which is just a month & a half [06:26] you know, whenever elmo begins a statement with "uh" I quake in my boots [06:26] yeah [06:26] I worry [06:27] he picked up a few universe packages that have crackful files in them [06:27] 1 of which I knew about but didn't have time to fix up [06:27] crimsun: :-) [06:27] 06:41 < elmo> build/buildd/pointless-0.5/debian/pointless/usr/share/pointless/README universe/misc/pointless [06:27] 06:41 < elmo> build/buildd/python-4suite-0.99cvs20050418/4Suite/build/share/Dashboard/4ss-netscape.css universe/python/python2.4-4suite [06:28] so many more bugs we could have fixed === ajmitch was just too lazy === bddebian tried :'-( [06:28] you tried more than most of us [06:28] I got in the game late on Dapper though. Freakin' work got in the way :'-( [06:29] soon you'll be able to do all of our main uploads for us [06:29] Doubtful [06:29] why do you doubt? [06:30] A) I'm still considering withdrawing my name [06:30] B) I don't think they will take me [06:30] man if I could punch someone via TCP/IP, I'd punch bddebian right in the knees [06:31] fight! fight! [06:31] both of those reasons are so bad. [06:31] at least say, "I didn't buy infinity a pony" [06:31] they are bad [06:31] infinity will be forever sad about that [06:31] C) I didn't buy infinity a pony [06:31] ok, C) is legit [06:32] so how are the release party preparations going? [06:33] mine are waiting til the weekend I think [06:34] mine will be friday night [06:34] excellent! [06:35] yeah, and I got QUITE a bunch of mails asking where my place is, so I guess it'll be crowded :) === ajmitch has no party planned === bddebian either :'-( [06:38] the -fr locoteam has planned an install party next saturday, which will end in bars and restaurants :) [06:38] Ack, I have to get to bed. Gnight folks [06:39] gnight bddebian === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] man, I'm beginning to wish our default background really was ponies [06:41] install party - guys I had enough of install party the last days [06:41] hehe [06:41] :) [06:41] crimsun: we'd never be ponyless again [06:41] Gloubiboulga: it has to start in the bars === dholbach signed up for edgy-changes === ajmitch should as well [06:42] crimsun, I'll suggest the idea :) [06:42] alias uch='dch -Dedgy' [06:43] -Dedgy is just too weird to type :) [06:43] hehe [06:43] -dodgy [06:43] I should setup an edgy pbuilder soon as well [06:43] might as well just copy the dapper base & config === dholbach -> shower [06:45] we have an eta for the release? [06:45] jabra: when it's done [06:45] figured so === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:49] I am chuckling at people spidering releases.ubuntu.com by hand trying to guess the images' locations. [06:49] heh [06:49] how foolish [06:50] nothing will happen until kamion & mdz are at the office, or they decide to hit the minibar at the hotel before lunch :) === ajmitch wouldn't blame then [06:50] :-) [06:51] ok, pbuilder setup ready for edgy [06:51] we'll probably have a few weeks of intense workload with merge bugs [06:52] debian should be slowing down development of the base system, so that should at least stay fairly stable for edgy until keybuk & co decide to do things like replace init === ajmitch can't wait for a python-based init :) [06:53] oh man, that's going to be /pain/ [06:54] so all the forums that say it is out already are just bs? [06:54] depends what the forums say [06:54] http://ubuntu-releases.optus.net/.pool/ubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso [06:54] you certainly can apt-get all the way up [06:54] and the more scrutinizing ones will know which images to check instead of manually spidering mirrors :-) [06:55] jabra: it's probably someone renaming the latest daily image [06:55] since there is no official release done yet, no push to mirrors, etc :) [06:55] ya probably === ajmitch confirms subscription to edgy-changes [06:56] howdy ajmitch [06:57] there shouldn't be a major tons of app upgrades for the release as I have been running dapper for sometime now [06:57] right ? [06:57] yo whiprush_ [06:57] jabra: if you're up to date with dapper now, there should be no changes [06:57] jabra: the last update I got was vmware-player yesterday === ajmitch should make his first edgy upload sysvinit, before it gets replaced :) [06:58] ajmitch: will edgy open up soon or post-paris? [06:58] hopefully pre-paris [06:58] afaik it depends on infinity & cprov setting it up [06:58] ah [06:58] it's always been open before the dev conf [06:59] I remember doing a number of mono uploads with tseng at UDU [06:59] ah [06:59] & then complaining to lamont that the amd64 buildd was breaking :) [06:59] ajmitch: how's your SoC coming along? [06:59] ah, yeah ;) [06:59] it's getting there, just getting the bits & pieces together that I need [07:00] have you decided on FDS or openldap? [07:00] FDS looks to be an utter pig to build [07:00] requires non-free java [07:01] ah, I was under the impression that it was using gcj. [07:01] build instructions still ask for sun java to be used in places [07:01] ah [07:01] well, that kind of makes your choice easier, heh. [07:01] they may be inaccurate & out of date, of course :) [07:02] http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/wiki/Building [07:02] see the horrible mess [07:02] "NOTE: The java that comes by default on many Linux distros is GNU gcj/classpath. Our code does not currently build/run with this (we're working on it!), so you will need to install the IBM or Sun JDK in order to build the java code. On RHEL, the IBM JDK is in RHEL Extras. For other distros, you will have to go to the IBM or Sun web site, download, and install it." [07:03] I'm just happy that someone is working in this area. :D [07:03] heh === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] it'd probably be a SoC project in itself just to package FDS :) [07:04] heh === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] well we do have sun's java in multiverse, so it's an option [07:06] heya whiprush_ [07:06] the admin tools in FDS are certainly impressive. [07:06] hi daniel. [07:08] wonderful [07:08] people have found the .pool dir where isos are put up for staging [07:14] dholbach: 6 stories in the digg queue on the .isos ... [07:14] that's worrying [07:15] I wonder what people are waiting for :) [07:15] ajmitch: 6 weeks more for dapper + 6 weeks less for edgy = 12 weeks (roughly 4 months) [07:15] turboSeX: um, no [07:15] well, at least people are excited about the release. :D [07:15] turboSeX: 6 + (-6) = ? [07:15] don't count the 6 weeks twice [07:16] dholbach: = ponies. [07:16] ajmitch: i was comparing dapper's to edgy's ("three months shorter for eft than it was for drake") [07:16] crimsun: YEAH! [07:16] and 12 weeks are 3 months, not 4 months [07:16] ajmitch: i am not comparing EDGY'S to STANDARD, but edgy's to dapper's. that's why i count it twice. [07:17] dholbach: first i said 3, not four. it was only now that i said 4, by mistake. [07:17] ah ok [07:18] well anyways, it's really 6 + (-6) for the moment - it might change with the release schedule to be planned at Paris [07:18] yeah, I'm not sure why you double-penalized the six weeks [07:18] nothing about edgy is certain yet [07:19] crimsun: how many extra weeks we had available for dapper than we will have for edgy? === dooglus [n=dooglus@82.67.28.79] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:20] dholbach: yes, that's true. i am talking pure mathematics here. [07:21] crimsun: the answer to this question will show you why i double-penalize the six weeks. [07:21] crimsun: sorry, the question itself does it already :) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] turboSeX: that only holds if you assume that it's not time-based [07:24] i.e., presuming that october is still the target, we simply have six fewer weeks. === crimsun totters off to update his git branch === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] crimsun: i don't think i understand your objection, but i would express it this way: as long as the total number of months between the release of breezy and the release of edgy remains constant, whenever we add x weeks to dapper's cycle, we implicitely subtract x weeks from edgy's cycle. as i said, i don't know the *real* schedule, i am talking pure logics. === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] turboSeX: there was also discussion of taking 2 weeks off the next 3 releases, instead of 6 weeks off edgy [07:27] still undecided [07:27] crimsun: so breezy's will be cycle+6 and edgy's will be cycle-6 [07:28] crimsun: now the difference between the two cycles: cycle+6-(cycle-6)=cycle-cycle+6+6, which is 12. [07:28] crimsun: of course, the REAL dates may change all of this [07:28] turboSeX: yes, 12 weeks is the total work, but that doesn't matter to us now that we're facing edgy [07:29] crimsun: agreed, i was simply explaining my calculation [07:29] (I understood that much; I assumed you were facing edgy instead of looking at total work) [07:30] (i see) [07:31] as long as feature freeze is nice & late, I'm happy [07:31] since we don't need any long bug-fixing period :) [07:31] ajmitch: why don't we? [07:32] because it's edgy! [07:32] we don't need anything fancy like 'stability' or 'polish' [07:32] right === Sp4rKy [n=max@lns-bzn-46-82-253-250-180.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach -> walk === ajmitch looks at the debian release update, notices that the toolchain & kernel will freeze in 2 months === Sp4rKy is away: go to taf === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === turboSeX [i=turboSeX@tor/session/direct/x-575a41980871c29d] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp176-212.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki [n=shenki@150.101.72.85] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:05] "leaked beta iso"... === crimsun falls over laughing [08:05] hah [08:05] where did you see that? [08:06] #ubuntu [08:06] it must be leaked, I mean we've always operated so sekr3tly [08:06] hehe === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-205-188.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] or that this hasn't been propagated from the pools yet, since the staging images we've had have all gone there anyway.. [08:08] (or at least those that kamion has pushed there) === ajmitch should leave #ubuntu for the next few days :) [08:15] heh [08:15] bug 47195 [08:15] Malone bug 47195 in Ubuntu "Please defer LTS goal to Dapper +1" [Normal,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47195 [08:17] ajmitch: The great part about that is that it was filed on the 28th ... [08:17] I know [08:18] it's just a metabug :) [08:19] man, Dapper LTS is just useless without ponies. [08:19] heh [08:19] crimsun: we have ponies in Edubuntu :P [08:20] ok that's it [08:20] I'm switching to edubuntu now [08:20] oh man, Ubuntu's so screwed [08:20] Edubuntu++! [08:21] :) [08:22] crimsun: we don't really have ponies, sorry :( [08:22] Hahah [08:22] crimsun: but we'll have them in either -updates, or in edgy [08:22] (or from art.ubuntu.com) [08:22] well dang, that leaves me stranded, because none of the derivatives have ponies :(( [08:23] we'll really have to get ponies into edgy [08:23] so we need to create poniubuntu [08:23] do you think it'll work well with shipit? === imbrandon votes ++ for poniebuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paniq [n=braniq@port-212-202-184-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch files a critical bug about lack of ponies [08:28] in the installer, nonetheless! [08:31] omg #ubuntu is crazy, lol, /me is glad #kubuntu is still semi sane [08:31] yeah, it has been that way for hours, too [08:32] yea i usaly dont go into #ubuntu but i had to just to watch the nuts [08:32] it's a little crazy [08:32] in a way release day is a letdown for us :) === imbrandon stays in the #k- channels except #ubuntu-motu [08:33] since it means we stop getting new stuff [08:33] hehe true ajmitch [08:33] ajmitch that just means looking forward top edgy [08:33] to* [08:34] edgy will probably be intensely broken for weeks at a time [08:34] someone needs to setup the ubotu to spit that !+dapper out every 60 seconds ;) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] true ajmitch, vmware to the rescue ;) [08:35] & pbuilder === ajmitch tends to use a chroot initially, and pbuilder for building stuff [08:36] i need to learn howto set that up [08:36] & then when things have settled down a little, I upgrade my machines === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:36] hey viviersf [08:37] morning ajmitch , all well ? [08:38] yeah, fairly well [08:38] cool === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === masterchief [n=lastnode@220.247.248.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tdjb [n=tdjb@209.151.52.189] has joined #ubuntu-motu === paniq is now known as _paniq [09:28] <_paniq> seveas sucks === _paniq is now known as paniq [09:28] paniq: there's no need for that language here [09:28] um, please don't take offense, but that /definitely/ doesn't belong in here. [09:28] >:) [09:28] yeah yeah i shut up, allright. [09:28] we all respect the CoC in here. [09:29] interesting abbreviation ;) [09:30] Code of Conduct [09:30] i'm aware of what it is thank you :P [09:31] guess no party for me then, today. just hard work. [09:31] laters === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === amac [n=amac@pool-71-103-5-51.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp21-114.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@DSL62-0-140-58.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-motu === naraul [i=naraul@tor/session/direct/x-06778cf2d00ab395] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] someone please package vidalia for dapper? [09:53] naraul, for dapper it won't happen [09:53] maybe for edgy [09:54] oh, ok [09:54] for edgy then :) [09:54] Oh sure, it can happen. Come on, there's a few hours to go! That's long enough :P [09:54] its been frozen =) [09:55] this is the source: http://vidalia-project.net/dist/vidalia-0.0.4.tar.gz [09:55] amac: edgy?? [09:55] dapper [09:56] amac: ok, for edgy then :) === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-103-043.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hcr [n=christia@1-1-4-21a.gkp.gbg.bostream.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [n=gervysta@217-133-96-194.b2b.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki [n=shenki@ppp103-158.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["chapo] === herzi [n=herzi@80.171.125.14] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shenki [n=shenki@ppp103-158.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch waits for edgy to open :) [11:21] ajmitch: I'm with you there. [11:21] need to upload new crack! [11:21] ...and for Parris. :) [11:21] yeah, except some of us can't go to paris.. === TheMuso has plenty of that. :() [11:22] ajmitch: get to work! :-) [11:22]