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| avalente | Hi.. I've read that some kernel drivers won't be included in the U.Server kernel version.. But, will there be packages for a gnome environment? | 12:05 |
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| tarvid | anybody know what to do with .db files generated by ip-acct? | 12:06 |
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| blah | how would i let users have an account and host files from their account? | 12:15 |
| infinity | blah: mkdir ~user/public_html && cp junk ~user/public_html && lynx http://localhost/~user/ | 12:16 |
| infinity | Then marvel at the junk you just put there. | 12:16 |
| blah | yuo dont store the users in /home/user | 12:17 |
| infinity | Come again? | 12:17 |
| blah | im confused on how it works | 12:17 |
| _clem | ~user is a like a link to the user's home folder... | 12:18 |
| _clem | like if you type cd ~clem on my machine it'll go to /home/clem | 12:18 |
| blah | the orginial document dir, is /var/www/ but if you have users on your box you would need to move their folders to /var/www/user | 12:18 |
| infinity | ~user is just shorthand for "the user's home directory, as recorded in their passwd entry", which is usually /home/user | 12:18 |
| infinity | blah: No, with mod_userdir ("a2enmod userdir" if it's not enabled in apache2 in your setup), http://host/~user/ maps to ~user/public_html/ on the filesystem. | 12:19 |
| blah | Oh | 12:19 |
| blah | now how would i create users | 12:20 |
| lionelp | blah: adduser login | 12:21 |
| blah | room number? | 12:23 |
| lionelp | blah: 567 :) | 12:23 |
| blah | why | 12:23 |
| blah | can it be anything? | 12:23 |
| lionelp | blah: joking ! | 12:23 |
| lionelp | yes ! | 12:23 |
| blah | k <3 | 12:23 |
| lionelp | It is what weel appear on finger | 12:23 |
| lionelp | s/weel/will/ | 12:24 |
| blah | but, they have access to veiw / | 12:25 |
| blah | anyway to restrict this | 12:25 |
| lionelp | yes, there are shell users of the system | 12:26 |
| blah | uhh? | 12:26 |
| lionelp | what ? | 12:26 |
| blah | how can i restrict them to their home directory | 12:27 |
| lionelp | There is not an answer for this question | 12:28 |
| lionelp | depends... | 12:28 |
| lionelp | on your usage, etc. | 12:28 |
| blah | just for hosting files | 12:28 |
| lionelp | disable your users to remote login (check /etc/ssh/sshd_config) and setup a ftp server | 12:29 |
| blah | did | 12:29 |
| lionelp | chroot your users in their home (most of ftp servers can do that) | 12:30 |
| infinity | I add all my chrooted users to a certain group (say, chrootftp, or something), then use proftpd with "DefaultRoot ~/ chrootftp" and "DefaultChdir ~/ chrootftp" | 12:32 |
| infinity | So users in the "chrootftp" group will get chrdir()ed and chroot()ed into their home directory. | 12:32 |
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| NobodHere | hey all! My ubuntu server box just started acting up -big- time about 4 hours ago. It is acting like DNS is broken, but it's not. Apache and MySQL are fine; postfix is taking forever to respond to SMTP connections, same with cyrus and sshd. Bind(named) is fine. | 04:14 |
| NobodHere | anyone? | 04:17 |
| NobodHere | glad to see the ubuntu community is so interested in helping users trying to run a server. Serves me right- I should have installed debian. | 04:21 |
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| jsgotangco | nice troll | 04:25 |
| infinity | Oh my god, no one answered him in SEVEN WHOLE MINUTES. | 04:34 |
| infinity | *sigh* | 04:34 |
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| jayb | guys.. anyone here run on IBM xSeries hardware ? | 07:28 |
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| infinity | jayb: We have some at the Canonical datacentre.. Why? | 07:56 |
| jayb | ahh sorry .. didnt see your message. | 08:19 |
| jayb | why... Im placing an order for some next week | 08:20 |
| jayb | would REALY like to use a DEB Based system (Debian / Ubuntu) | 08:20 |
| jayb | and wanted to hear someones experience with them. | 08:20 |
| jayb | since Ive had trouble with debian / ubuntu on Dell Sc1425's before.. | 08:20 |
| jayb | (Kernel panic & driver issues) | 08:20 |
| jayb | IBM, are suggesting I use Redhat ... but I dont like RPM's :P | 08:21 |
| jayb | can you give me some indication of your experience with your hardware.. | 08:21 |
| jayb | (and what hardware it is your using) | 08:21 |
| infinity | We have a fair number of xSeries stuff at the DC (as well as a fair chunk of HP Proliant gear, and some evil Dells) | 08:22 |
| infinity | They all pretty much "just work". | 08:22 |
| jayb | ok.. have you had similar problems to what I said on the dells ? | 08:22 |
| infinity | But I only run the Ubuntu build daemons and do other random stuff on the boxes, I'm not the Canonical sysadmin. | 08:22 |
| jayb | ah ok.... | 08:22 |
| infinity | We've had no end of strange problems with the Dells, though kernel panics have not been an issue with official Ubuntu kernels. | 08:23 |
| jayb | ok... ours kernel panics with the default install.. | 08:23 |
| infinity | Special.. | 08:23 |
| jayb | within a few min of the system being installed and up and running | 08:23 |
| jayb | yea... REAL Special.. | 08:23 |
| jayb | does the same with debian also... | 08:23 |
| infinity | Is it a module panicking that you can blacklist? | 08:23 |
| jayb | and we have to frig arround to get a working kernel. | 08:23 |
| jayb | I havnt had time in the past to play with it. | 08:24 |
| jayb | my Co-Sysadmin is a fedora / Centos Guy | 08:24 |
| jayb | and was like.. oh well I know this works. | 08:24 |
| infinity | Anyhow, the IBMs aren't the absolute fastest machines money can buy, but they're solid and have given us no problems. | 08:24 |
| jayb | so we went that way... | 08:24 |
| jayb | yea Im not only after raw speed. | 08:24 |
| jayb | I want reliability... | 08:24 |
| jayb | and the IBM's look awesome for that | 08:24 |
| infinity | They're definitely that. | 08:24 |
| jayb | Im looking at x346... | 08:25 |
| infinity | For speed AND reliability, go HP, IMO. | 08:25 |
| jayb | with all the light path diagnostics, and hot swap hardware (most of it) | 08:25 |
| jayb | and the remote management stuff.. | 08:25 |
| infinity | Though the black IBM chassis sure does look pretty in a rack. :) | 08:25 |
| jayb | hehe | 08:25 |
| jayb | yea well tahts always important. :P | 08:25 |
| infinity | Hey, it sells Dells. :) | 08:26 |
| jayb | it sure does. | 08:26 |
| jayb | I had a hands on demo with the IBM gear (at their office) | 08:26 |
| jayb | and boy is it nice. | 08:26 |
| infinity | Seriously, though, we've had no complaints about the IBM kit except for I/O speed, and to be fair, the machines we have I/O issues on are a couple of years old now. | 08:26 |
| jayb | the guy let me pull it appart while in the rack. | 08:26 |
| jayb | its just so "Industrial" it realy makes the dell stuff look like a toy | 08:26 |
| jayb | ok... what sort of I/O ?? disk , lan ?? | 08:27 |
| infinity | Disk. | 08:28 |
| infinity | Network I/O is fine. | 08:29 |
| jayb | ok cool | 08:29 |
| jayb | what sort of disks do you have ? | 08:29 |
| infinity | But in places where we were using the IBM machines for really disk-intensive stuff, like building CD images and heave SQL usage, we swapped them out for HPs, and got the IBMs doing more CPU-bound stuff. | 08:30 |
| infinity | s/heave/heavy/ | 08:30 |
| jayb | ok... Interesting, so you think its the disk controller or something. | 08:30 |
| infinity | Like I said, though, those machines aren't that "new" anymore, so it's probably not relevant. | 08:30 |
| infinity | IBM and HP will always leapfrog each other, as they adopt new chipsets and tweak firmware, etc. | 08:30 |
| infinity | Oh, and the HP smartarray raid controllers are just blindingly fast. | 08:31 |
| jayb | ahh ok. | 08:31 |
| jayb | disk IO isnt SUCH a biggie for me. | 08:31 |
| jayb | and besides... our old hardware was just IDE / SATA BAsed. | 08:31 |
| jayb | moving to this IBM with SCSI disks will be sooo fast for us | 08:31 |
| jayb | (For a while anyways) | 08:32 |
| jayb | hehe | 08:32 |
| infinity | Probably, yeah. :) | 08:32 |
| jayb | comparativly. | 08:32 |
| infinity | Anyhow, you can't really go wrong with IBM. The old IBM slogan "no one gets fired for buying IBM" is still true. | 08:33 |
| jsgotangco | infinity: is the ubuntu-server image yesterday final? | 08:36 |
| infinity | jsgotangco: I should hope so, since we're releasing today. | 08:41 |
| infinity | jsgotangco: (yes) | 08:41 |
| infinity | jsgotangco: Why, did you find a showstopper bug that I can't do anything about now? :) | 08:42 |
| infinity | (Except upload a fix to dapper-updates, of course) | 08:42 |
| jsgotangco | infinity: im doing a final test run for x86/amd64 now | 08:44 |
| ajmitch | then I can start testing the sparc server iso next week.. | 08:44 |
| infinity | ajmitch: sparc's not final. | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | I know | 08:45 |
| infinity | ajmitch: Only i386/ppc/amd64 | 08:45 |
| infinity | Ahh, good. :) | 08:45 |
| ajmitch | by the time I get the server moved & get access to it, it probably will be :) | 08:45 |
| infinity | You have a T1000, right? | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | 2x T2000 | 08:46 |
| infinity | Oh, then you're fine anyway. | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | one of them already runs dapper | 08:46 |
| infinity | We're delaying specifically to fix the tg3-on-T1000 thing. :/ | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | installed with the beta release, iirc | 08:46 |
| ajmitch | anyway, back in a couple of hours for the release fun | 08:47 |
| infinity | Don't miss the party. | 08:48 |
| jayb | how far away is the release ? | 08:51 |
| infinity | A few hours.. | 08:55 |
| jayb | any idea how many.. a few = ? | 08:56 |
| infinity | "soon" | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | very soon | 09:02 |
| jayb | should I be waiting arround at work.. to set it to start download ? | 09:06 |
| jayb | or should I do it when I Get home :P | 09:06 |
| jsgotangco | grab the build then just rsync your image if an update comes out | 09:07 |
| jayb | yea good call... | 09:08 |
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| xargo | qualche italiano? | 09:46 |
| xargo | :D | 09:46 |
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| brad` | how is security in "universe" handled? just left up the individual package maintaners? | 10:36 |
| brad` | we need to use apache1, but not happy with it being "ENTIRLY UNSUPPORTED" :\ | 10:37 |
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| infinity | brad`: I do apache1.3 security anyway. | 10:45 |
| infinity | brad`: So don't worry too much about it. | 10:45 |
| brad` | your the maintainer? | 10:45 |
| infinity | brad`: While I certainly don't have to, it's a personal pride thing, since I'm both the Debian and Ubuntu maintainer, and a member of the security team. | 10:45 |
| brad` | oh ok, not planning on dissapearing? lol | 10:46 |
| brad` | i've been pulling apache1 package to bits today trying to find that install error | 10:46 |
| infinity | brad`: Anyhow, as a general rule, security in universe is handled by MOTU on a best-effort basis. There just happens to be some stuff there that gets more attention than others (apache1.3 and php4 both come to mind) | 10:47 |
| infinity | brad`: "That install error"? | 10:47 |
| brad` | first install always fails, needs to be installed a second time | 10:47 |
| brad` | i found the bug report so its known | 10:47 |
| infinity | Which bug number? | 10:47 |
| brad` | i'll go find it again :) | 10:48 |
| infinity | Out of curiosity, what's stopping you from upgrading to apache2? | 10:48 |
| brad` | apache2 can't track bytes_sent properly | 10:48 |
| infinity | Sure it can. | 10:49 |
| brad` | doco's say it can't | 10:49 |
| brad` | it just contains the full number | 10:49 |
| brad` | not partial | 10:49 |
| infinity | Even when using mod_logio? | 10:50 |
| brad` | i havn't looked at mod_logio,,, i noticed the behavour in my mod, them found the confession in the API :) | 10:50 |
| brad` | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apache/+bug/6742 | 10:51 |
| infinity | Well, are you using these directives?: | 10:51 |
| infinity | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_logio.html | 10:51 |
| infinity | Those are the logio directives (and logio is built into our apache2 binaries) | 10:51 |
| brad` | looks like that mod made specifically for what i'm talking about :) | 10:52 |
| infinity | Yes, pretty much. :) | 10:52 |
| brad` | i was quite livid about the loss of functionality :) | 10:53 |
| infinity | Thanks for bringing the apache bug to my attention, it slipped right past my radar. | 10:53 |
| infinity | I'll have to try to reproduce it later. Must sleep now. | 10:53 |
| infinity | Well, sleep and/or have a release party. Undecided. | 10:53 |
| brad` | it only works on first install btw | 10:53 |
| brad` | uninstalling / purging etc won't get the bug back, so needs to be clean install | 10:54 |
| infinity | I'm good at building fresh chroots for debugging. No problem there. | 10:54 |
| brad` | heh ok, i been taking vmware snapshots all day, amazingly handy | 10:54 |
| brad` | i'll go play with that mod cya, thx. | 10:54 |
| infinity | NP. Have fun. | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | well I see I haven't completely missed the party | 11:02 |
| jsgotangco | where's the party here? | 11:29 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 11:29 |
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| J_P | hi all | 01:14 |
| J_P | people, I anounce of dapper have this line in server section: * Improved support for clusters and SANs. What mean that cluster ? becouse MOSIX dont't run in kernel 2.6 right and default in dapper is 2.6. Anyone can explaim me please ? | 01:30 |
| fabbione | J_P: there is not only mosix for cluster | 01:30 |
| fabbione | that's one of the many | 01:30 |
| fabbione | we are talking HA clusters | 01:30 |
| fabbione | HPC is edgy stuff | 01:30 |
| fabbione | also.. you don't need mosix to access a SAN | 01:31 |
| J_P | fabbione: sorry, what is SAN ? | 01:34 |
| J_P | Are there in ubuntu-server one bot for do this tecnical questions ? | 01:35 |
| maswan | storage area network | 01:36 |
| maswan | a pretty standard computing term | 01:36 |
| fabbione | J_P: google will have all the answers for you. mostlikely if you don't know what it is, it's because you don't need it or you don't have it :) | 01:37 |
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| J_P | fabbione: so I like know what is that support when we are talking about cluster really! For example, I use mosix with debian 2.4. What can I have improved on ubuntu for this (what mosix alternative). I know, that's one of the many. But ubuntu has anyone "more" ready to use.. ? | 01:40 |
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| neoncode | I have a computer that needs to function as both a server and a desktop computer which version should I use? | 04:53 |
| trs80 | the standard install - server is just the ubuntu-standard metapackage only | 04:55 |
| lionelp | neoncode: the only differences are CD-content and kernels install by default | 04:57 |
| lionelp | if you also need to use your computer as a workstation, use a traditionnal install | 04:57 |
| neoncode | Right, thank you. | 04:57 |
| lionelp | server packages will alse be available | 04:57 |
| neoncode | sweet... Oh is "Zone Minder" in the repos? | 05:00 |
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| lionelp | neoncode: do not know zone minder | 05:22 |
| lionelp | apt-cache does not show me anything | 05:22 |
| lionelp | you can search easily packages on packages.ubuntu.com | 05:22 |
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| schimmi | is there a way to get this LAMP configuration of ubuntu-server manually from a ubuntu-minimal installation? (it's a bootstrapped vserver, no installation cd used) | 08:39 |
| schimmi | don't find any references to that other than the dapper server webpage, but nothing technical | 08:40 |
| lionelp | infinity told yesterday it was an "apt-get install apache2 apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql php5-mysqli" | 08:41 |
| schimmi | ic, so the normal packages will install like that. expected some magic in the installer | 08:42 |
| lionelp | non, nothing magical:) | 08:42 |
| gpd | infinity also said that Edgy would have exciting metapackages - like sagi lamp | 08:43 |
| lionelp | that's right | 08:44 |
| gpd | i would like to see antipackages - like - 'don't install X11' | 08:44 |
| kermitX_ | the server seed file installs apache2 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server ubuntu-standard. | 08:44 |
| infinity | kermitX_: But that will only work if installed with "aptitude install ..." apt-get will get the dependency resolution wrong. | 08:58 |
| infinity | (Hence why I gave the longer line above, with more decisions pre-made for apt) | 08:58 |
| kermitX_ | infinity: preference of mpm-worker over prefork is by design? | 09:03 |
| infinity | kermitX_: If you don't need php4/php5, -worker is usually the better choice (not always, but usually) | 09:04 |
| infinity | PHP isn't threadsafe, however, so REQUIRES -prefork. | 09:04 |
| infinity | (Because upstream is lame, la la la) | 09:04 |
| schimmi | hmm, wondering if there is any solution for the problem to seperate virtual hosts with php nowadays... don't see anything in the standard installation | 09:06 |
| lionelp | schimmi: you can do that with libapache2-mod-suphp | 09:09 |
| lionelp | hum... not sure it was the answer to your question btw... | 09:10 |
| infinity | schimmi: The question wasn't involved enough for an answer. :) | 09:12 |
| schimmi | it is, more or less. only thing that I don't like with it, is that www-data still needs read access to every directory of a virtual host. maybe 600 for php files and 755 for directories works, still complicated | 09:12 |
| infinity | schimmi: suEXEC + php-cgi isn't ideal, but works. | 09:13 |
| infinity | Ideally, someone will fix apache2-mpm-perchild to actually work right. | 09:14 |
| schimmi | yes, but probably we won't see that in this century | 09:14 |
| schimmi | wondering what happened to this mpmmux project | 09:15 |
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| lionelp | You can use aloso use "php_admin_value open_basedir" in Apache configuration to limit accesses | 09:20 |
| infinity | Yeah, which works reasonably well, but isn't as good as runninng the PHP processes as a different user. | 09:23 |
| lionelp | nope, but used together it give a good starting point | 09:27 |
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| Cas | Hi, just upgraded my server to dapper and now some php modules ain't working no more like curl and sqlite | 11:12 |
| Cas | I tried reinstalling them and reloading apache but that doesn't seem to affect it, Do I need to enable them manually somewhere? | 11:13 |
| lionelp | Cas: check if they are enabled in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | 11:14 |
| lionelp | (if they are presend, they are enabled, otherwise, yes, you have to enabled them by hand) | 11:14 |
| Cas | lionelp: isn't that only for apache modules? | 11:15 |
| lionelp | hum.... | 11:15 |
| lionelp | sure yes :) | 11:15 |
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| lionelp | sorry | 11:15 |
| Cas | eg. mod_ssl, mod_rewrite and PHP itself, I'm trying to load PHP modules | 11:15 |
| lionelp | check in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini | 11:15 |
| Cas | hehe, np thanks for trying to help anyway | 11:16 |
| lionelp | if you find the corresponding .so | 11:16 |
| Cas | k | 11:16 |
| Cas | lionelp: yes they are there | 11:17 |
| Cas | but not in phpinfo() | 11:17 |
| lionelp | Did you reload or restart apache? | 11:17 |
| Cas | /etc/init.d/apache2 stop and then start | 11:18 |
| lionelp | Okay | 11:18 |
| Cas | I have fiddled enough with apache to never do reload again :) | 11:18 |
| lionelp | I am trying on my Apache | 11:18 |
| Cas | I was very content with breezy as server, just needed to install those module and reload apache and it worked, I think it as something to do with the upgrade | 11:19 |
| Cas | hence I tried to reinstall them, maybe I can try remove them "completely" | 11:20 |
| lionelp | On a fresh install when I install and restart, I have "curl enabled" in phpinfo() output | 11:25 |
| lionelp | same for sqllite | 11:26 |
| lionelp | -l | 11:26 |
| Cas | yeah I had that too on breezy :/ | 11:26 |
| Cas | I will try reinstall apache and after that install the modules | 11:27 |
| lionelp | That sound weird | 11:28 |
| Cas | or php will be more logic | 11:28 |
| lionelp | Can you check your version of php5-sqlite and php5-curl | 11:29 |
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| Cas | lionelp: they're 5.1.2-* | 11:31 |
| lionelp | * = ubuntu3 ? | 11:31 |
| Cas | yes | 11:33 |
| Cas | no luck with reinstalling php5 | 11:35 |
| gpd | are you purging the packages? | 11:35 |
| Cas | I mean curl and sqlite aint working | 11:36 |
| Cas | gpd: no, should I try? | 11:36 |
| gpd | yes, purge - then install | 11:36 |
| Cas | k | 11:36 |
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| Cas | gpd: that did the trick | 11:41 |
| Cas | tnx alot all | 11:42 |
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