[12:23] <HedgeMage> philosophical question of the day: why is frosting stiffer than icing when ice is harder than frost?
[12:25] <LaserJock> dang it HedgeMage, you just ruined my day ;-)
[12:26] <HedgeMage> lol
[12:50] <mhz_Food> lol
[12:50] <mhz_Food> yummie, frosted cake!
[12:52] <HedgeMage> hehe
[12:55] <pygi> hey jsgotangco :)
[12:56] <jsgotangco> good morning
[12:58] <LaserJock> boy, we just get "good morning"? :p
[01:00] <Burgwork> should I be pointing people at the -users mailing list now?
[01:02] <pygi> Burgwork, most probably yes
[01:02] <Burgwork> pygi, meh, I answered the guy
[01:02] <pygi> Burgwork, and said what? :P
[01:02] <Burgwork> we can help you
[01:03] <pygi> ah,oki :)
[01:03] <pygi> Mike Thiem you are probably talkin' about :)
[01:04] <Burgwork> yep, the one and only
[01:04] <pygi> :)
[01:19] <jsgotangco> so what's new guys, its a beautiful friday here
[01:20] <Burgwork> hmm, cloudy, cold and rainy here
[01:20] <jsgotangco> ick
[01:21] <pygi> jsgotangco, it's 1:20am :)
[01:23] <jsgotangco> hmm
[01:23] <pygi> I go now
[01:23] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't know what the weather is outside here, I've been in the lab all day (in the basement)
[01:23] <pygi> enjoy people
[01:23] <HedgeMage> if all else fails, we can hang out here at the apartment
[01:24] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, you sick sick man
[01:24] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: Unibuntu?
[01:24] <jsgotangco> it should have a frat scheduler as well
[01:25] <LaserJock> well at least something that can chill a keg ;-)
[01:25] <HedgeMage> and motion-activated webcam so you can find out who you slept with last night? :P
[01:25] <jsgotangco> yeah instead of tea timer, we'll bundle it with a USB chiller
[01:25] <LaserJock> HedgeMage: and automatically sync it to your blog? ;-)
[01:26] <jsgotangco> should be MySpace nothing more
[01:26] <HedgeMage> lol
[01:26] <jsgotangco> heh this should be the ultimate reason to resurrect the American Pie franchise
[01:26] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yeah, but you'll need facial recognition for that
[01:28] <jsgotangco> should have logjam and drivel as well heh
[01:28] <LaserJock> gosh, somehow i missed out on this stuff in the last 8 years I've been in college
[01:28] <HedgeMage> lol
[01:29] <jsgotangco> we won't forget the women because we're bundling cycle and purity-off
[01:29] <jsgotangco> best of all, its going to be powered by libsexy
[01:29] <crimsun> worstsonamesevar
[01:30] <Burgwork> does liboil come in there too?
[01:30] <crimsun> if it's got gst, probably
[01:30] <LaserJock> jeeze and this this the Edubuntu channel ;-)
[01:30] <HedgeMage> rofl
[01:31] <jsgotangco> yes!
[01:31] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what kind of "education" edgy will have but ...
[01:31] <Burgwork> LaserJock, for some, it will be very educational!
[01:32] <HedgeMage> rofl
[01:32] <jsgotangco> and as tribute to JaneW i will try to make a port of Bliss
[01:33] <Burgwork> bliss?
[01:34] <jsgotangco> check out her blog heh
[01:34] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: hehe :)
[01:35] <Burgwork> ok, that looks like too much fun
[01:35] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:37] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, your version better support same sex couples and parties
[01:37] <jsgotangco> yes it might upset some groups in canada im aware of that
[01:37] <Burgwork> :)
[01:40] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, check the comments, the guy who made bliss commented on her blog
[01:41] <jsgotangco> eh?
[01:42] <jsgotangco> oohhhhh
[01:43] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, given it written on top of .net, you might be able to do a gtk port, if you can convince him to open source the game
[01:47] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[01:47] <jsgotangco> hmmm the osnews girl just filed a bug in xorg
[01:49] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, eugenia?
[01:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:49] <jsgotangco> having issues with savage
[01:49] <Burgwork> in LP or bugzilla.x.org?
[01:50] <crimsun> hmm, fabbione vs. eugenia. This should be interesting. :-)
[01:50] <jsgotangco> LP
[01:50] <Burgwork> I am betting on fabbione
[01:50] <jsgotangco> bug 47948
[01:50] <Burgwork> any takers?
[01:51] <Burgwork> how about eugenia vs. infinity?
[01:51] <crimsun> infinity is fierce, but fabbione is harsh
[01:51] <Burgwork> http://comment.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020505,39271087,00.htm <-- I wonder how we can capitilize on this
[01:51] <Burgwork> bitter might be a better term for fabbione
[03:09] <bddebian> Heya
[03:09] <Burgundavia> bddebian: you want to do some python development for edgy and edubuntu?
[03:10] <bddebian> Burgundavia: I don't know that I can
[03:10] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:10] <bddebian> I'm kinda st00pid
[03:10] <Burgundavia> hmm
[03:10] <bddebian> :-)
[03:12] <bddebian> Burgundavia: What are you wanting to do?
[03:12] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: what do you have in mind?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> port Bliss
[03:12] <LaserJock> doh
[03:12] <Burgundavia> nope
[03:12] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: is that also for Unibuntu?
[03:12] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: for Edubuntu, not Pornbuntu
[03:13] <bddebian> hehe
[03:13] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-June/001489.html <-- do this in pessulus
[03:13] <jsgotangco> are you looking into locked down profiles
[03:13] <jsgotangco> because we're locking up vuntz for that in paris as well
[03:13] <Burgundavia> indeed
[03:14] <Burgundavia> sadly, I cannot help you with this, only cheer on the sidelines, due to my job
[03:14] <jsgotangco> if its also possible to integrate it with sabayon or what
[03:14] <Burgundavia> yep
[03:14] <LaserJock> I'm interested in locked down profiles but I doubt I have time/skills to do it
[03:14] <Burgundavia> if you make pessulus do it, sabayon will get it
[03:14] <jsgotangco> we actually brain dumped on this last night
[03:14] <jsgotangco> just random ideas
[03:15] <Burgundavia> it is not that hard
[03:15] <LaserJock> cool, got a spec?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> the simplest and most fool proof way is to delete the entire home dir and recreate it
[03:15] <jsgotangco> no spec yet
[03:15] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:16] <jsgotangco> meh i love the ubuntu-art list
[03:16] <Burgundavia> the latest one
[03:16] <Burgundavia> ?
[03:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:17] <LaserJock> what the heck?
[03:17] <LaserJock> 6.06.1?
[03:18] <LaserJock> and what is gfxboot?
[03:19] <Burgundavia> the bit that loads when you pop the live or install cds in
[03:19] <LaserJock> oh
[03:19] <Burgundavia> ported for Suse I believe, so ithas some blue issues
[03:20] <LaserJock> you'd think I'd never used Ubuntu before
[03:20] <bddebian> hehe
[03:20] <Burgundavia> I only know because I raised some usability issues with it early in the cycle
[03:21] <LaserJock> gosh, this Viper550 guy is a hoot
[03:21] <LaserJock> "Great job everyone, even though I don't use Ubuntu, your 
[03:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:22] <LaserJock> artwork still looks good on my FC5 system!"
[03:22] <bddebian> heh
[03:22] <jsgotangco> its called ego tripping
[03:23] <LaserJock> I hope I never do that
[03:24] <LaserJock> please slap me if I do
[03:26] <LaserJock> thanks bddebian, I needed that
[03:27] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: it is cool that vuntz is going to be there. It would nice if we had a "Mark Summer of Code" for things like this
[03:29] <jsgotangco> it is timely
[04:14] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: you around?
[04:17] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: yep
[04:18] <Burgundavia> Amaranth: when are you planning to meet ogra and chat about SoC again?
[04:18] <Amaranth> Burgundavia: i don't think we set a time
[04:18] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:20] <mhz> jsgotangco: newsletter was translated and sent
[04:22] <jsgotangco> mhz: thanks!
[04:23] <mhz> jsgotangco: however, I could only sent it today :(
[04:24] <jsgotangco> no worries
[04:24] <mhz> jsgotangco: it would be ideal if next time, considering we'll work together, we 'release'  it same time, same date (already translated)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:24] <jsgotangco> next week ;)
[04:24] <mhz> oh, damn, yes
[04:24] <mhz> next week
[04:25] <mhz> jsgotangco: any ideas/structure you might wanna suggest?
[04:25] <jsgotangco> mhz: i will think it over this weekend
[04:26] <mhz> jsgotangco: will it be possible to include a section "A coffee with Edubuntu" ?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> what would that be about?
[04:26] <mhz> I usually write many stuff while I have coffees :)
[04:26] <mhz> for the newsletter I could focus on Edubuntu things
[04:26] <mhz> of course :)
[04:27] <jsgotangco> ill try to come up with a wiki page tonight
[04:27] <jsgotangco> so that anyone can contribute
[04:27] <mhz> oh, okis 
[04:27] <jsgotangco> we'll just have to massage the data
[04:27] <jsgotangco> i think its the best course of action
[04:27] <mhz> wide open indeed
[04:28] <mhz> jsgotangco: do you have rights on the wiki to create NewsletterGroup
[04:28] <mhz> ?
[04:29] <mhz> in other words, can you use ACL?
[04:29] <LaserJock> is that needed?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> i dont see the need for ACL?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> i mean if we have a newsletter out, we put it in drupal?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> the wiki becomes dumping area
[04:30] <jsgotangco> ?
[04:30] <LaserJock> I think EdubuntuNewsletterDraft or something would suffice
[04:30] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:31] <mhz> ooh, i see
[04:35] <DaSkreec1> Hello
[04:40] <LaserJock> hi DaSkreec1 
[04:40] <DaSkreec1> LaserJock: Hello
[04:40] <DaSkreec1> Hows the Dapper day?
[04:41] <LaserJock> great!
[04:42] <DaSkreec1> :-)
[04:42] <DaSkreec1> Does https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes apply to all upgrades?
[04:42] <DaSkreec1> Since Edubuntu installs LTSP by default?
[04:43] <LaserJock> DaSkreec1: it would apply to any LTSP setup I would think
[04:44] <DaSkreec1> Right so that would apply to all installations of Edubuntu
[04:45] <LaserJock> well it is for upgrading the LTSP
[04:45] <LaserJock> not the whole system
[04:46] <DaSkreec1> Well won't upgrading the system upgrade LTSP?
[04:46] <LaserJock> it won't update the client chroot
[04:47] <LaserJock> so you would upgrade your system and then upgrade/recreate the client chroot for LTSP
[04:47] <DaSkreec1> Ah so for a standalone system on a  network I can just upgrade?
[04:48] <LaserJock> sure
[04:48] <DaSkreec1> Great :-)
[06:42] <highvoltage> 23:25 < crimsun> hmm, speaking of epiphany, is xulrunner going to be the "engine"?
[06:42] <highvoltage> 23:25 < ogra> hopefully
[06:42] <highvoltage> 23:25 < Burgwork> hopefully
[06:42] <highvoltage> xulrunner for epiphany? how did you guys get to that!?
[06:43] <DaSkreec1> xulrunner is non beta now?
[06:43] <highvoltage> epiphany will remain GTK based, as far as I'm aware.
[06:43] <highvoltage> DaSkreec1: it's still way before release, afaik
[06:44] <DaSkreec1> Thats what I though
[06:45] <highvoltage> epiphany uses gecko, the rendering engine of ff, but i think using xulrunner will require a re-write of epiphany
[06:49] <DaSkreec1> Good night
[07:00] <jsgotangco> i doubt its going to happen soon
[07:00] <jsgotangco> despite the beauty of the current epiphany
[07:05] <HedgeMage> The party was a success!
[07:06] <HedgeMage> I got pictures of the cake, but not of the party itself (too wet to be safe for my camera)
[07:09] <LaserJock> hehe
[07:10] <LaserJock> I tried epiphany a bit today but wasn't very impressed
[07:10] <LaserJock> maybe I'm missing something
[07:11] <crimsun> it's not for everyone. I tried and junked it about a dozen times over the years, but the gnome integration is omgponies.
[07:12] <Burgundavia> it took me a few times to really love it
[07:12] <HedgeMage> the gnome integration doesn't sell me since I only use gnome when testing edubuntu stuff so it'll look like the default... I'm really kind of anti-gnome at heart.
[07:15] <LaserJock> crimsun: I don't understand what you mean by gnome integration
[07:16] <LaserJock> I'm trying opera right now
[07:30] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: epiphany doesn't really get to you on the first try
[07:30] <jsgotangco> it just grows on you
[07:31] <LaserJock> like a fungus?
[07:31] <jsgotangco> sort of heh
[07:39] <HedgeMage> lol
[07:44] <Laser_opera> nice
[07:44] <Laser_opera> opera even has an IRC client
[07:44] <Burgundavia> Laser_opera: that is part of the problem of opera
[07:46] <LaserJock> irssi would be great if it didn't hurt my eyes so bad
[07:46] <LaserJock> I haven't found a theme yet that doesn't kill my eyes
[07:47] <LaserJock> bimberi: come to my lab and I'll show you :-)
[07:49] <bimberi> lol
[07:50] <LaserJock> I usually run 3-4 different wavelengths at 10Hz
[07:50] <LaserJock> kinda like a colored strobe light
[07:52] <highvoltage> LaserJock: the default theme is quite nice, i think :)
[07:52] <LaserJock> hmm, maybe my eyes are just bad
[07:53] <bimberi> actually come to think of it, i did go to something kinda like it when i did visit the states.  The planetarium at Denver did a laser light show to with the Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon", in its entirety, as the soundtrack
[07:53] <bimberi> s/to with/with/
[07:53] <LaserJock> yikes
[07:53] <LaserJock> we usually do Credence Clearwater Revival in our lab
[07:54] <LaserJock> or techno
[07:54] <bimberi> it was fantastic.  Although there was lots of people smoking funny cigarettes in the toilets before the show :)
[07:55] <LaserJock> anyway, bed time for me
[09:16] <networkr> hi
[09:16] <networkr> anyone in edubuntu chat?
[09:20] <highvoltage> erm... well, it helps giving us some time to respond?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> highvoltage: nope, I guess not
[09:21] <crimsun> they expect ponies. No ponies, no stay.
[09:21] <highvoltage> crimsun: we discussed this yesterday, we can put the pony theme in some repository especially for you :)
[09:21] <highvoltage> s/pony/pink pony
[09:22] <crimsun> hooray
[09:24] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: when they get bored
[09:28] <highvoltage> Burgundavia: there will just be more people to take over from that. it's like terrorism.
[09:29] <Burgundavia> uhh?
[09:31] <jsgotangco> i still like the "good job everyone...even though i use FC5...did anyone like my theme" email
[09:32] <Burgundavia> yep
[10:12] <cbx33> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:12] <cbx33> mornin all
[10:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:20] <cbx33> on the standard mailing list, is there an option to moderate who joins?
[10:21] <cbx33> I want to create a list, but I only want certain people to be members
[10:24] <lucasvo> cbx33: there are managed lists
[10:24] <cbx33> lucasvo, can they be done using mailman?
[10:25] <Elwell> cbx33, yep they can
[10:25] <cbx33> without any special configuration
[10:25] <lucasvo> cbx33: you can also use www.vincisolutions.ch/products/mercury
[10:25] <lucasvo> :)
[10:25] <Elwell> and you can also have 2 lists - one with members, one with allowed list of posters to list 1
[10:27] <cbx33> w00t I found it
[10:28] <lucasvo> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 12064993 bytes) in /usr/share/webmail.wservices.ch/roundcubemail/program/lib/Mail/mimeDecode.php on line 321
[10:29] <lucasvo> oh
[10:30] <cbx33> oh dear
[11:02] <cbx33> I need some mailman help again
[11:03] <cbx33> I have 3 addresses subscribed to the list
[11:03] <cbx33> one is on the same hostname as the list itself
[11:03] <cbx33> the other two aren't
[11:03] <cbx33> all can send email to the list and it appears in the archives
[11:04] <cbx33> however, only the one with the address that is on the host name receives mail from the list
[11:04] <cbx33> the other two addresses will receive welcome to the list emails, and when they weren't subscribed received the your post requires moderation mail
[11:04] <cbx33> any ideas
[11:05] <cbx33> is it this box
[11:05] <cbx33> Host name this list prefers for email.
[11:05] <cbx33> (Details for host_name)
[11:05] <cbx33> I'm wondering
[11:53] <pygi> cbx33, poke :)
[11:56] <cbx33> hey pygi 
[11:56] <pygi> cbx33, I need something from you, oki?
[11:57] <cbx33> i can try
[11:57] <pygi> https://launchpad.net/people/student-panel
[11:57] <cbx33> join it?
[11:58] <pygi> yup, if you want :)
[11:58] <cbx33> done
[12:00] <pygi> cbx33, welcome :)
[12:01] <cbx33> :D
[12:01] <cbx33> do we have an emblem ?
[12:01] <cbx33> :p
[12:02] <pygi> cbx33, not yet...I think s-c-p has an icon, se we'll see :)
[12:11] <pygi> cbx33, we'll have a meeting somewhere next week
[12:11] <cbx33> ok
[12:19] <highvoltage> *gulp* 597 hits from distrowatch the past 24h
[12:20] <highvoltage> xubuntu is even #10 in distrowatch! wow.
[12:20] <highvoltage> (for last 7 days)
[12:21] <pips1> xubuntu: quite a newcomer. cool
[12:21] <highvoltage> edubuntu is #32 for last 7 days
[12:21] <pips1> I'm downloading it to test that ltsp installation option :)
[12:22] <pips1> #32 not bad either
[12:22] <bimberi> it has a very cool login splash
[12:22] <pips1> bimberi what's your first impression? do you like xcfe?
[12:22] <bimberi> yes, very much
[12:22] <bimberi> i really should try it on my Celeron466
[12:23] <highvoltage> #32 is excellent for a niche distribution
[12:23] <bimberi> the xfce mouse running in a spinning logo
[12:23] <pips1> highvoltage :)
[12:23] <pips1> bimberi yeah :)
[12:23] <highvoltage> bimberi: i've used it on a celron300 with 64MB ram, and it even worked well there :)
[12:23] <bimberi> highvoltage: ooh good :)
[12:24] <bimberi> i really think that "edxubuntu" is going to be a good combination
[12:26] <highvoltage> yep, that's what we're going to use for tuxlabs.
[12:26] <bimberi> yes, i saw that (on the mailing list)
[12:27] <lucasvo> 16  Xubuntu  428
[12:27] <lucasvo> WOW
[12:27] <highvoltage> sorry, i'm quite excited about it :)
[12:27] <lucasvo> it's on place 16 in last month
[12:27] <highvoltage> geez, and it only released yesterday for the first time :)
[12:43] <pips1> highvoltage who is the core people involved in xubuntu?
[12:43] <pips1> are
[12:44] <pips1> last time i stuck my head into the xubuntu channel I think it was less that 5 heads present...
[12:44] <highvoltage> pips1: https://launchpad.net/people/xubuntu-team
[12:44] <highvoltage> Irssi: #xubuntu: Total of 45 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 44 normal
[12:45] <pips1> woa different story today, what a crowd :)
[12:45] <lucasvo> gimpshop is cool
[12:46] <highvoltage> it's not packaged for ubuntu yet, is it?
[12:46] <lucasvo> I don't know
[12:46] <pips1> lucasvo what is it?
[12:46] <lucasvo> pips1: gimp with photoshop like UI
[12:46] <lucasvo> other menus
[12:47] <pips1> need to check that out then, definitely! I have a hard time getting used to gimp because I'm so used to photoshop
[12:47] <lucasvo> http://plasticbugs.com/index.php?p=241
[12:47] <cbx33> pips1, I'm photoshop user too
[12:47] <pips1> cheers
[12:48] <cbx33> gimpshop
[12:48] <cbx33> ?
[12:48] <pips1> :)
[12:48] <lucasvo> I am using it since 4
[12:48] <pips1> :)
[12:49] <cbx33> pips1, 
[12:49] <cbx33> silentkeystroke.deviantart.com
[12:49] <cbx33> :D
[12:49] <cbx33> would appreciate feedback :p
[12:50] <cbx33> does gimpshop have adjustment layers :p
[12:50] <cbx33> that's my fav feature of ps compared to others
[12:50] <pips1> well, professional photographer is wrong, I was trained as a professional photographer, but then got sucked into this whole internet thing ;-)
[12:50] <cbx33> hehe
[12:51] <cbx33> I just mess around
[12:51] <cbx33> if gimpshop has adjustment layers I'll install it right now
[12:52] <lucasvo> no
[12:52] <lucasvo> it doesn't 
[12:52] <cbx33> :(
[12:53] <cbx33> then I'm afraid I'll be keeping my wine emulation of photoshop 6
[12:53] <pips1> cbx33 very nice work, dude!
[12:53] <cbx33> ty :p
[12:53] <pips1> yeah, adjustment layers is a killer feature for me too :)
[12:54] <cbx33> you can do stuff just sooo quickly
[12:54] <cbx33> pips1, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/9488238/
[12:54] <cbx33> ever tried that :p
[12:54] <cbx33> take flamin ages
[12:54] <pips1> excellent
[12:55] <cbx33> was a 1 in 1,000,000 chance
[12:55] <pips1> I can imagine...
[12:55] <cbx33> hover flys don;t tend to land for long
[12:55] <cbx33> ;)
[12:55] <pips1> yeah, bloody nervous buggers
[12:55] <cbx33> hehe
[12:55] <cbx33> pips1, where are you in the world?
[12:55] <lucasvo> in the nicest city of the world
[12:56] <pips1> cbx33 that shot is gold
[12:56] <pips1> no, platinum
[12:56] <pips1> !
[12:56] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, pips1
[12:56] <cbx33> and you should have seen the original of this http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/5729831/
[12:56] <cbx33> it sucked
[12:56] <cbx33> was taken from a car one day
[12:58] <pips1> cbx33 do you do (colour) printing yourself?
[12:58] <cbx33> no
[12:58] <cbx33> occasionally print laser
[12:58] <cbx33> cos it's all digital
[12:58] <pips1> ic
[12:59] <cbx33> my dad does do colour prints
[12:59] <cbx33> I've done B+W
[12:59] <pips1> no analog whatsoever?
[12:59] <pips1> ah
[12:59] <cbx33> not any more
[12:59] <cbx33> digital gives an amateur the freedom to experiment FREE
[12:59] <pips1> I still do analog for landscapes
[12:59] <cbx33> yeh
[01:00] <cbx33> wish i had this one in analog http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/2753932/
[01:00] <jsgotangco> who did this?
[01:00] <cbx33> jsgotangco, what?
[01:00] <jsgotangco> the images?
[01:00] <cbx33> me
[01:00] <jsgotangco> nice lens
[01:00] <cbx33> on which photo?
[01:00] <jsgotangco> or is it already altered?
[01:01] <jsgotangco> ahh the hues were changed
[01:01] <pips1> oh man the photographers are taking over #edubuntu ;-)
[01:01] <cbx33> jsgotangco, yeh i do do a little *cough* editing
[01:01] <jsgotangco> pips1: i do b&w then
[01:02] <pips1> jsgotangco haven't done b&w since my student days...
[01:02] <pips1> but it is wonderful
[01:02] <cbx33> I havn't done any photography for about a year now
[01:02] <cbx33> pips1, totally
[01:02] <jsgotangco> same here
[01:03] <cbx33> heheh
[01:03] <cbx33> any good js?
[01:03] <jsgotangco> i'd like to get the 8MP phone
[01:03] <highvoltage> the d820's are quite cool
[01:03] <cbx33> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/4435307/
[01:03] <cbx33> that one was funny
[01:03] <jsgotangco> my 4MP camera phone isn't holding much longer
[01:03] <cbx33> olympus c-8080
[01:04] <jsgotangco> cbx33: CAMERA PHONE
[01:04] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:04] <cbx33> nice except I want a true DSLR
[01:04] <cbx33> jsgotangco, yeh i know
[01:04] <jsgotangco> that's true
[01:04] <cbx33> it's a great wide angle at 28mm
[01:04] <jsgotangco> my last slr was a pentax
[01:04] <jsgotangco> its still alive
[01:04] <cbx33> but the zoom is only about 140mm
[01:04] <jsgotangco> however, ektachrome film prices have jumped seriously
[01:04] <cbx33> compared to the 380mm I used to have on my first digi an oly c-740
[01:06] <pips1> nice photography cbx33 see you later
[01:07] <cbx33> thanks pips1 look forward to seeing some of yours :p
[01:07] <cbx33> I need to get back to gisomount too
[01:07] <jsgotangco> cbx33: you should do comps for that in edubuntu 
[01:07] <cbx33> heh
[01:07] <pygi> cbx33, gisomount again :)
[01:07] <cbx33> yeh pygi gotta hone my python skills
[01:07] <cbx33> you do want *actual* help on scp right?
[01:08] <pygi> cbx33, why else would I invite you to team? :)
[01:08] <jsgotangco> been a while since i did serious python
[01:09] <jsgotangco> friday night brb
[01:12] <cbx33> jsgotangco, I wouldn't call what I'm doing serious python
[01:12] <cbx33> I'm learning
[01:13] <lucasvo> e
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:04 < cbx33> but the zoom is only about 140mm
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:05 < jsgotangco> however, ektachrome film prices have jumped seriously
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:05 < cbx33> compared to the 380mm I used to have on my first digi an oly c-740
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:05  * jsgotangco would probably bring it in paris to take some "serious developer" shots
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:06  * jsgotangco doesn't mind becomeing a professional photographer for FHM or Ralph
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:06  * pips1 needs to get back to work
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:06 < pips1> nice photography cbx33 see you later
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:07 < cbx33> thanks pips1 look forward to seeing some of yours :p
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:07 < cbx33> I need to get back to gisomount too
[01:13] <lucasvo> 13:07 < jsgotangco> cbx33: you should do comps for that in edubuntu 
[01:13] <lucasvo> I HATE MAC
[01:13] <lucasvo> the keyboards is crappy
[01:13] <jsgotangco> ?
[01:13] <lucasvo> sorry for pasting
[01:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:13] <cbx33> lucasvo, what was all that aoubt :p
[01:13] <jsgotangco> okay
[01:13] <cbx33> hehe
[01:14] <lucasvo> I always click on the trackpad when I type into my schools powerbook
[01:14] <jsgotangco> cbx33: yeah, and i should stop playing sudoku too much
[01:14] <cbx33> heheh
[01:14] <cbx33> firday night joy eh ?
[01:14] <jsgotangco> im waiting for someone its karaoke night
[01:15] <cbx33> ahhh :p
[01:15] <jsgotangco> would be nice to have an edubuntu summit somewhere in ASIA because you can't escape karaoke :)
[01:17] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:17] <cbx33> hahah
[01:18] <jsgotangco> ok laterz
[01:19] <jsgotangco> okayyyy
[01:20] <highvoltage> nah, i was singing imagine
[01:20] <jsgotangco> pfftttt
[01:21] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: do you play in arcades
[01:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: hi used to when i was 7/8
[01:22] <jsgotangco> have you seen a Dance Dance Revolution Machine
[01:22] <jsgotangco> or Drum Mania
[01:22] <highvoltage> i think so. never tried it though
[01:23] <highvoltage> that's the things you compete dancing with another player, right?
[01:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[01:24] <jsgotangco> with 100 people watching
[01:25] <jsgotangco> but the people watching will
[01:25] <jsgotangco> its all about audience impact heh
[01:27] <cbx33> we have dancing stage fusion on ps2 :D
[01:27] <cbx33> and 2 mats :p
[01:27] <cbx33> it's fun :D
[01:27] <cbx33> brb
[01:36] <pips1> i have just been to japan and saw Drum Mania for first time
[01:36] <pips1> :)
[01:37] <pips1> it was a couple and they where drumming like maniacs for sure... real pros
[01:37] <lucasvo>  let's try something out
[01:37] <lucasvo> startkeylogger
[01:38] <lucasvo> :(
[01:38] <lucasvo> does not work 
[01:38] <pips1> and I once saw a guy dancing alone for a two player game of Dance Machine :-D 
[01:39] <pips1> he was a bboy (aka breakdancer) and was throwing in all those cool moves that aren't even necessary for the game, what a show!
[01:40] <pips1> I wish I would have had a cam with me at that time :(
[01:46] <cbx33> I once saw a tramp with his two dogs fighting
[01:46] <cbx33> I had my camera but couldn't pluck up the courage to ask him
[01:46] <cbx33> stupid me
[01:59] <pygi> cbx33, poke?
[01:59] <cbx33> peek
[01:59] <cbx33> actually i need to poke you too
[02:00] <cbx33> how can i return a files size in python?
[02:00] <cbx33> in bytes?
[02:01] <cbx33> pygi, peek :p
[02:08] <pygi> cbx33, sorry, was out for a sec
[02:08] <pygi> there are two ways
[02:08] <pygi> one with "sys.stat" and one without
[02:08] <pygi> the one without should be: filesize = self.file.tell()
[02:08] <cbx33> ok cool thanks
[02:08] <pygi> lemme write the one with stat for you
[02:09] <cbx33> thanks pygi
[02:11] <cbx33> what can i do for you?
[02:12] <bimberi> os.path has a getsize function
[02:13] <pygi> sys.stat has ST_SIZE also :)
[02:13] <bimberi> :)
[02:13] <bimberi> ooh, speaking of new looks - http://python.org
[02:13] <pygi> bimberi, that's "old"
[02:13] <pygi> not really old, but it's there for some time
[02:13] <bimberi> well, new to me :)
[02:14] <pygi> bimberi, nice :P
[02:14] <pips1> "old" but much better :)
[02:16] <pygi> cbx33, try avoiding importing a lot of stuff if you don't have to
[02:16] <cbx33> i know
[02:17] <cbx33> os is already in there
[02:17] <cbx33> pygi, you poked me
[02:17] <cbx33> any reason :p
[02:17] <pygi> cbx33, you are using second approach then?
[02:17] <pygi> yes, but nothing important :)
[02:17] <cbx33> probably
[02:17] <cbx33> pygi, what can i do for you
[02:17] <pygi> nothing, don't worry :)
[02:18] <cbx33> u sure?
[02:18] <cbx33> ask away
[02:18] <cbx33> I'm not busy
[02:18] <pygi> cbx33, do you have os.path imported by now in application?
[02:18] <cbx33> yes
[02:18] <pygi> well, then no need to import parts of stat
[02:18] <juliux> hi all
[02:19] <pygi> as bimberi said, there is "getsize" function in it
[02:19] <cbx33> ok cool
[02:19] <juliux> ogra, i have shutdown my bittorrent client, the upload was only 25kb/s today
[02:19] <juliux> ogra, but i uploaded 30GB over the night
[02:21] <ogra> WOW
[02:22] <pygi> ogra, would you mind if I change interface?
[02:22] <ogra> pygi, pardon ? 
[02:23] <pygi> s-c-p interface :)
[02:23] <ogra> to what ? 
[02:24] <pygi> Not sure just yet...but something so computers might be arranged to match how they look in classroom, and something :)
[02:24] <ogra> note that there is a lot autorefreshing and autodetection code (in case you've not tested it in action)
[02:24] <ogra> that would mean a rewrite from scratch
[02:24] <ogra> i'm not really keen to have it rewritten
[02:24] <pygi> ah, well :)
[02:25] <pygi> hm, ok
[02:25] <ogra> we can rearrange and extend existing parts thoug
[02:26] <highvoltage> ogra: edubuntu has had 698 hits from distrowatch the last 24h
[02:26] <pygi> I was thinking something along the lines of "hidden tabs" for interface
[02:27] <pygi> something like this
[02:27] <pygi> http://www.globaly.org/annant/fama.glade
[02:29] <ogra> highvoltage, wow
[02:30] <ogra> pygi, doesnt load for me
[02:30] <pygi> ogra, the url or?
[02:30] <pygi> file itself?
[02:32] <ogra> pygi, ugh thats a horrible interface
[02:32] <pygi> ogra, why ? :P
[02:33] <ogra> i want my mother to be able to grok the usage on first sight
[02:33] <pygi> o joy, but the tabs will be hidden
[02:33] <ogra> try with your mother (or granny) if she understands the UI without reading the docs its fine
[02:33] <pygi> ah,ok
[02:33] <ogra> kiss ;)
[02:34] <pygi> yes, but that is not good for some things ;)
[02:34] <pygi> like arranging computers position in classroom :)
[02:36] <pygi> Anyway, I'll stop about it :)
[02:40] <ogra> dont forget its for teachers
[02:40] <ogra> so apart from being understandable as easy as possible it needs to preserve you enough space on the screen to do some work stuff alongside
[02:40] <ogra> if you have 20PCs in your classroom an UI where you arrange everything like in the classroom you'll waste a lot of space
[02:40] <ogra> please try the existing UI first with some user logged in on ltsp 
[02:40] <ogra> s/user/users/
[02:40] <pygi> oki, don't worry :) I suppose VNC stuff shouldn't cover the entire screen also then
[02:41] <ogra> the code thats in there already restricts vnc to 800x600 iirc
[02:41] <ogra> windowed
[02:42] <pygi> oki
[02:42] <ogra> vnc is already impelemented but disabled in the current code
[02:43] <pygi> yup, saw that :)
[02:43] <ogra> i havent found a good way yes to implement the side of the client in a non intrusive way
[02:43] <ogra> s/yes/yet
[02:44] <pygi> yup, I know (we already discussed that)
[02:45] <ogra> needs some very intrusive changes to x11vnc
[02:46] <pygi> and we wouldnt like that
[02:46] <ogra> sure we'd like that, but all changes must be debian policy conformant
[02:47] <pygi> hm,oki
[02:47] <ogra> and the package must work as it did before the change if not used in ltsp
[02:48] <shriphani> hello daad
[02:48] <ogra> that a policy we need to match with *all* packages we change (also for ltsp and the like)
[02:48] <artisan> hi shriphani 
[02:48] <ogra> hey shriphani 
[02:48] <shriphani> hello ogra 
[02:48] <ogra> hi artisan 
[02:48] <artisan> heya ogra 
[02:49] <ogra> shriphani, if you put in the CD on a breezy system, it will offer you an upgrade automatically
[02:49] <shriphani> should i reboot from cd ?
[02:49] <ogra> that would give you a live session where you'd then do a full install
[02:50] <shriphani> ok i should put it in when breezy is running
[02:50] <ogra> if you just pop it into your running breezy system you get a dialog that asks if you want to upgrade
[02:50] <shriphani> ok
[02:50] <ogra> exactly
[02:50] <shriphani> when is ubuntu shiiping dapper ?
[02:50] <ogra> we started yesterday
[02:50] <shriphani> oh cool
[02:51] <shriphani> i am sure i can wait for a month
[02:51] <ogra> :)
[02:51] <artisan> lol
[02:51] <shriphani> lol
[02:52] <artisan> alright, im off
[02:52] <ogra> ciao art
[02:52] <ogra> bah
[02:53] <ogra> to fast :)
[02:55] <shriphani> ogra, i got a problem with my usb floppy too in ubuntu breezy
[02:55] <shriphani> i mean linux has created a mount point for the device at installation
[02:55] <ogra> shriphani, thats rather a question for #ubuntu
[02:55] <shriphani> oh ok
[02:55] <ogra> :)
[02:56] <shriphani> is edubuntu being shipped as well ?
[02:56] <ogra> yep
[02:56] <shriphani> xubuntu ?
[02:56] <ogra> on shipit.edubuntu.org
[02:56] <pygi> shriphani, xubuntu no
[02:56] <ogra> xubuntu is a fully community driven distro
[02:56] <shriphani> can i dualboot ubuntu, kubuntu and edubuntu ?
[02:56] <shriphani> i mean triboot
[02:56] <ogra> sure
[02:57] <pygi> shriphani, yup 
[02:57] <shriphani> oh cool
[02:57] <shriphani> i ordered kubuntu recently
[02:57] <shriphani> they say that the my cd is sent for shipping
[02:58] <ogra> cool
[02:58] <shriphani> :)
[02:58] <highvoltage> kubuntu also started as a community project. perhaps xubuntu will also have cd's next time round :)
[02:59] <ogra> if we still do shipit
[03:01] <shriphani> are you planning to quit shipit ?
[03:01] <highvoltage> i'm quite convinced that shipit will continue, even if people have to pay for it.
[03:01] <highvoltage> i'll start my own shipit, if i have to :)
[03:21] <cbx33> ogra, the volume label mounting you wanted is fixed :p
[03:30] <Corgan> Morning.
[03:55] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:09] <jamison> hi everyone..
[04:10] <jamison> I'm setting up an Edubuntu network for TEFL International, and I'm having trouble with the server install.
[04:10] <jamison> Anyone have the time to lend a hand?
[04:10] <ogra> jamison, did you follow http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted ?
[04:11] <jamison> sure did. i've tried 2 fresh installs from different ISO burns and downloads.
[04:11] <jamison> gets all the way through the install, but after the reboot it won't display the login screen.
[04:12] <ogra> thats weird, what kind of monitor/graphics card do you have ? and do you hear the drum sound from the login manager after it booted ?
[04:13] <jamison> after the reboot it loads grub (slowly) and does the mounting etc... then the screen goes blank. what is really strange is that if I press the power button, it asks for root pswd to shutdown.
[04:13] <ogra> no errors ? 
[04:13] <jamison> not displayed.
[04:14] <ogra> whats the last thing you see on the graphical bootscreen ? 
[04:15] <jamison> will check. I found this suggestion on the forums: sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it couldn't find the .conf
[04:15] <ogra> that doesnt sond like your innstalled edubuntu at all
[04:16] <ogra> rather like you did an expert install or installed the server CD 
[04:16] <ogra> s/the server/from the server/
[04:17] <jamison> the first time i installed the workstation of edubuntu, then the server off a different cd.
[04:17] <ogra> and the workstation install did leave you in that condition as well ? 
[04:17] <jamison> just got an overclocking error. really strange.
[04:17] <ogra> that rather sounds like hardware issues
[04:18] <ogra> what kind of system is that ? 
[04:19] <jamison> sure does. I'm in Egypt, and all I've seen since I've been here is systems thrown together.
[04:19] <ogra> so whats the HW spec of the server you try to install on
[04:20] <jamison> p3, 200gb western digital HD, 256 ram, network card, etc...
[04:21] <ogra> ok
[04:21] <ogra> and you have the i386 CD i guess (not the amd64 one by accident or something)
[04:21] <ogra> also i assume thats dapper, right
[04:22] <ogra> ?
[04:22] <jamison> it gets all the way to the "Kernel Log" in the graphical boot before it goes blank. 
[04:22] <jamison> yeah the 6.06 LTS
[04:22] <ogra> ok
[04:23] <ogra> and its definately an edubuntu CD you used there ? a missing xorg.conf usually cant happen (empty ones could, but not missing ones)
[04:24] <jamison> yup. couldn't even find /etc/x11/
[04:24] <ogra> that should be /etc/X11
[04:24] <jamison> i've tried two installs, and the symptoms are the same.
[04:24] <ogra> with a capital X
[04:24] <jamison> i'll check again, but when i did a dir unter /etc neither where there. i'll check now
[04:24] <ogra> well, the workstation install should have picked it up
[04:25] <lucasvo> jamison: are you sure the installation finished correctly?
[04:25] <ogra> i dont know from what you made the server install though, there is no "server" option on the edubuntu CDs 
[04:25] <jamison> yup. it ejected the CD and asked to rebook.
[04:26] <jamison> yeah, but the gettingstarted guide calls it that. i selected teh Install to Hard disk option, where you must supply an IP instead of having it autoconfigured.
[04:26] <ogra> make sure you definately only hit enter on the CD bootscreen, if that still finishes properly and you have the samme symptoms, something is really wrong
[04:27] <ogra> yeah, thats the right one
[04:27] <ogra> (we had a "server" option in breezy that didnt install a gui, so thats why i always point out the "server" stuff)
[04:28] <ogra> sorry, i have to go out for ~1h, i'll be back soon
[04:28] <jamison> you don't think there is another way other than reinstall? should I just hit enter and do the workstation?
[04:28] <jamison> no worries. thanks for the help
[04:29] <ogra> no, if you want a server, just use the "install to harddisk" option
[04:29] <ogra> workstation omits all server bits and you'd need to set up everything manually
[04:30] <ogra> but i see no way how you would end up without X installed if there were no errors during install
[04:30] <ogra> can you upload /var/log/instaler/syslog anywhere so i can have a look at it if i come back ? 
[04:30] <ogra> *installer
[04:31] <ogra> (from the broken install that is)
[04:31] <ogra> bbl
[04:31] <jamison> probably no (based on my skills). I'm going to do another install. 
[04:31] <jamison> brh
[04:39] <pawsilver> Can anyone help me with Synaptic packaging errors?
[04:40] <pygi> pawsilver, shoot
[04:40] <lucasvo> pawsilver: please be a little bit more specific :)
[04:43] <pawsilver> Hi I'm getting this message after i try install or download anything.  In fact it comes up in Synaptic, Add remove programs and update manager
[04:43] <pawsilver> E: samba: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 102
[04:43] <pawsilver> E: edubuntu-server: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[04:43] <pawsilver> E: samba-dbg: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[04:45] <pawsilver> ??? help
[04:46] <lucasvo> pawsilver: open a terminal
[04:46] <lucasvo> type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:47] <lucasvo> and pastebin the output
[04:47] <lucasvo> pawsilver: I have to go now
[04:47] <lucasvo> but try in #ubuntu since it's a general problem and not only edubuntu related
[04:48] <lucasvo> cya
[04:48] <pawsilver> thanx
[04:48] <pawsilver> cya
[04:54] <pawsilver> Can anyone help me with Synaptic packaging errors?
[04:56] <pawsilver> Can anyone help me with Synaptic packaging errors?
[04:56] <LaserJock> pawsilver: same as above?
[04:58] <pawsilver> LaserJock, where can i pastebin the output?
[04:59] <pawsilver> LaserJock, Can you help?
[05:00] <LaserJock> pawsilver: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[05:04] <pawsilver> LaserJock, I have pasted the outcome of "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in the ubuntu pastebin
[05:04] <pawsilver> Hope you can help, thanx
[05:04] <LaserJock> what is the url?
[05:05] <pawsilver> LaserJock, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14957
[05:06] <LaserJock> pawsilver: are you upgrading?
[05:06] <pawsilver> upgrading?  I do upgrade just about every day!  When ever it tells me to
[05:07] <LaserJock> ok, and what release are you using? 5.10 or 6.06?
[05:10] <pawsilver> I down loaded the 6.06 beta release sometime in April
[05:10] <LaserJock> ok
[05:11] <pawsilver> LaserJock, could it be something in my repositories?
[05:14] <LaserJock> no
[05:14] <LaserJock> it looks like it is a known bug
[05:14] <LaserJock> pawsilver: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/37027
[05:15] <pawsilver> LaserJock, thanx!  
[05:15] <LaserJock> pawsilver: looks like a workaround is to "sudo rm /etc/rc2.d/K09samba" and then upgrade
[05:17] <pawsilver> LaserJock, by upgrade you mean just run synaptic package?
[05:17] <LaserJock> pawsilver: retry doing whatever you were doing when you had the problem
[05:18] <pawsilver> LaserJock, Ok shot!!  I'll try that
[05:20] <pawsilver> LaserJock, :)  shot its working
[05:20] <LaserJock> cool
[05:21] <pawsilver> LaserJock, This is why I luv edubuntu, far more support than microsoft
[05:21] <pawsilver> Everyone helping everyone!  I will never go back to Microsoft again
[05:22] <LaserJock> yep, the community is awesome
[05:22] <LaserJock> mostly volunteer too, which is amazing
[05:22] <pawsilver> yep its totally amazing
[05:35] <mhz> hi all
[05:35] <mhz> ogra, ping
[05:35] <jsgotangco> hi!
[05:35] <mhz> ogra, I am mounting /media/usbdisk
[05:35] <mhz> jsgotangco, hey
[05:35] <highvoltage> i love ubuntu
[05:36] <highvoltage> !!!!!!!!!111!!! cos(0)!11one!!
[05:36] <ubotu> highvoltage: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:36] <jsgotangco> who doesn't?
[05:36] <bddebian> highvoltage: And it loves you ;-P
[05:36] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: billy bill bill
[05:36] <highvoltage> bddebian: :)
[05:36] <mhz> BUT, I have tried to set group to rwx but it just produces no changes. It still with no permission to group
[05:37] <mhz> highvoltage, how do you make clients to rwx pendrives?
[05:38] <ogra> mhz, how do you "mount" it ? thats usually done by gnome-volume-manager using pmount
[05:39] <mhz> highvoltage, I have tried chmod and chown.. unsuccessfully
[05:39] <mhz> ogra, yeah, it mounts
[05:39] <mhz> BUT the clients wont see it
[05:39] <ogra> and pmount only allows the user who mounted access to the drive by policy
[05:39] <mhz> yeah , iknow
[05:39] <ogra> ask pitti if there is a way to override that (i dont think there is)
[05:49] <mhz> hmm, it does not even let me make ln -s
[05:58] <highvoltage> mhz: i don't know
[06:06] <mhz> highvoltage, hmm, and then how could I share a pendrive with all cleints?
[06:06] <mhz> samba?
[06:07] <mhz> I have used "share folder" in the server side
[06:07] <mhz> and have no idea how to access to it via clients
[06:12] <highvoltage> mhz: previosly, i edited the fstab, and then all clients could access it from the server
[06:12] <highvoltage> (via icon on desktop
[06:12] <highvoltage> )
[06:13] <highvoltage> i think i added ,user in the options line
[06:13] <highvoltage> can't exactly remember
[06:13] <highvoltage> i just did my first dapper from scratch install and is completely stunned by it
[06:13] <highvoltage> it's amazing
[06:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:14] <jsgotangco> indeed
[06:15] <jsgotangco> now if it only had network-manager by default
[06:23] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: where do i find network-manager after it's installed?
[06:23] <jsgotangco> it just runs by itself when you reboot
[06:23] <jsgotangco> but you'll have to clean up your /etc/network/interfaces
[06:23] <highvoltage> ok
[06:23] <jsgotangco> because it'll just manage by itself
[06:26] <jsgotangco> do you use emacs
[06:27] <highvoltage> nope. i know how save and exit in emacs though :)
[06:27] <jsgotangco> do you use any daily planning app (no evolution doesn't apply)
[06:28] <highvoltage> does gedit count? :)
[06:28] <mhz> damn automounting option !
[06:28] <mhz> I mount it manually and no problem
[06:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:28] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: planner-el
[06:28] <highvoltage> i sometimes plan things in plain text in gedit
[06:28] <jsgotangco> then look at the maintainer's page here
[06:28] <jsgotangco> http://sacha.free.net.ph/
[06:29] <highvoltage> The following NEW packages will be installed: emacs-wiki emacs21 emacs21-bin-common emacs21-common emacsen-common planner-el xaw3dg
[06:29] <highvoltage> :)
[06:29] <jsgotangco> emacs-wiki is essential
[06:29] <jsgotangco> well like i said, you need emacs heh
[06:29] <bddebian> heh
[06:32] <highvoltage> doing boring repetitive stuff sux though :)
[06:34] <LaserJock> emacs? vim >> emacs ;-) 
[06:34] <bddebian> nano >> vim >> emacs  ;-P
[06:34] <highvoltage> nano!? oh no man :)
[06:35] <bddebian> kate? ;-P
[06:35] <highvoltage> nano reminds me too much about MS-DOS Editor
[06:35] <LaserJock> nano is great for conf files and quick edits
[06:35] <bddebian> Yep
[06:35] <bddebian> Which is about all I do :-)
[06:36] <jsgotangco> yep
[06:36] <highvoltage> vim is great for that too :)
[06:36] <LaserJock> when I'm doing docbook though I'm all vim
[06:37] <highvoltage> omg we're really starting
[06:39] <LaserJock> I'd use gedit or kate more if was ever actually at my Ubuntu box
[06:39] <jsgotangco> actually bluefish aces them all
[06:43] <ogra> highvoltage, NM breaks the dhcp server, dont use it on edubuntu servers
[06:43] <Burgwork> somebody was looking for me?
[06:45] <highvoltage> ogra: good tip, thanks
[07:12] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: omg yakuake is awesome
[07:13] <jsgotangco> it doesn't look great in gnome though
[07:14] <highvoltage> i'm running it in gnome too. i'm not really going to use it
[07:14] <highvoltage> i love the concept of it though
[07:14] <highvoltage> i want a terminal. now!
[07:14] <highvoltage> F12
[07:14] <highvoltage> :)
[07:14] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:06] <ogra> highvoltage, if you want to discuss xfce inclusion in paris now is the time to create your spec for it (see the ubuntu-devel mail from mdz)
[08:08] <highvoltage> ogra: i just read his mail
[08:08] <highvoltage> ogra: i trust your judgement though, do you think it's reasonable to write such a spec?
[08:08] <ogra> ok
[08:09] <ogra> well, if you want to discuss it, you need to write a spec ;)
[08:09] <highvoltage> i sometimes feel that i'm making too many demands here :)
[08:09] <highvoltage> ok, i'll write a spec :)
[08:10] <ogra> it would be good if you could determine the additiona size needed for xubuntu-desktop on the CD (note that many packages might already be there)
[08:10] <ogra> we could then have a xfce option in the install menu (in case it fits)
[08:11] <highvoltage> if i do a clean edubuntu install, and apt-get install the bare xfce desktop, can i use the size of /var/cache/apt/archives? (assuming i did an apt-get clean before the install)
[08:12] <ogra> hmm, that might work, yes
[08:13] <ogra> but to get full functionallity, you will need xubuntu-desktop
[08:13] <ogra> i wouldnt include something that doesnt fully work 
[08:13] <highvoltage> ok, i'll do an apt-get install xubuntu-desktop too, and see how much we need
[08:13] <ogra> i.e. if you use the desktop it shall not behave to different from a default ubuntu
[08:13] <highvoltage> good point.
[08:13] <ogra> (which xubuntu-desktop guarantees)
[08:15] <ogra> we would probably want a special metapackage xubuntu-ltsp-desktop or something that doesnt depend on the goffice stuff
[08:16] <highvoltage> i was a bit torn about that for tuxlabs
[08:16] <highvoltage> the goffice stuff flies on thin clients. and generally works well.
[08:16] <highvoltage> the problem is that OpenICDL is completely based of OOo
[08:17] <ogra> and eats oour diskspace while we already ship oo.o
[08:17] <highvoltage> ah yes, that too. hopefully Sun and community will get openoffice better.
[08:17] <ogra> there is no way that i'd include abiword or gnumeric as long as we ship oo.o
[08:17] <highvoltage> i understand. i'm not against OOo, it's just... well, big and clunky.
[08:18] <ogra> in any case the xubuntu thing depends on diskspace
[08:18] <mhz> re
[08:18] <highvoltage> which there is a low likelyhood of being, it seems hey?
[08:18] <ogra> lets see
[08:19] <ogra> if we can drop kde and firefox it might be possible
[08:19] <highvoltage> although, in the slim chance of us having a second cd, xubuntu integration might stand a better chance :)
[08:19] <mhz> highvoltage, re pendrive/ it was easily solved by mounting it manually :)
[08:19] <ogra> we wont have a second CD
[08:19] <mhz> highvoltage, thx for the tip
[08:19] <highvoltage> mhz: heh. so you hate auto stuff even more now?
[08:19] <highvoltage> ogra: should i delete the spec then?
[08:19] <mhz> highvoltage, yeah, it si soooooo not user friendly :D
[08:19] <ogra> apart from the possibility to have an additional language CD
[08:20] <highvoltage> how much space does the additional languages use?
[08:20] <mhz> highvoltage, are you discussin about a light edubuntu?
[08:20] <ogra> yes
[08:20] <highvoltage> mhz: among other things, yes
[08:20] <ogra> highvoltage, http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/langpacks/langpacksize.txt
[08:21] <ogra> G means gnome langpacks, K means KDE
[08:21] <highvoltage> wow, i didn't realise it was that big
[08:21] <ogra> yep
[08:22] <ogra> look at the difference between G and K :)
[08:22] <mhz> highvoltage, i am using xubuntu-desktop on top of gnome, as a default option.
[08:22] <ogra> if we cant drop kdeedu, i will have to make langpack-kdeedu-$(LANG) packages i guess
[08:22] <mhz> and for sure, it would be lovely for many users to have that option in shipped CD
[08:23] <ogra> mhz, thats not the question :)
[08:23] <highvoltage> heh
[08:23] <mhz> ogra, which is then? what to take out?
[08:23] <ogra> that and "will it even fit and not hinder us in shipping other stuff"
[08:24] <mhz> ogra, oh, i see now
[08:24] <mhz> thx for clarifyinng it out
[08:24] <highvoltage> ogra, what's the main reason to stick with gnome, is it because that's what edubuntu is decided on, or is it to keep it ubuntu-like? would it be plausable to drop gnome some time in the future in favour of xfce?
[08:24] <ogra> xfce isnt really a priority for being an educational distro
[08:24] <highvoltage> or might it be easier to add the edu tools to Xubuntu? :)
[08:25] <highvoltage> true... haven't though of it that way.
[08:25] <ogra> gnome is our default, i have the whole team available to help with bugs and tweaks i do
[08:26] <ogra> as long as i have a say i wont vote for dropping gnome, simply out of manpower reasons
[08:26] <highvoltage> ok
[08:26] <highvoltage> it's a very good reason.
[08:26] <ogra> additionally we can easily rely on the ubuntu documentation 
[08:27] <highvoltage> i'm not necassarily pesting you, it's great to get these answers from you, it means I know what to say when users ask me :)
[08:27] <ogra> and dont forget that we will not always stay a ltsp distro
[08:27] <ogra> there will be bigger setups where ltsp is only one of the options 
[08:28] <highvoltage> i understand.
[08:28] <ogra> i.e. if you set up a whole school, you will want workstations etc
[08:28] <highvoltage> i've never been a big fan of ltsp, per say.
[08:28] <highvoltage> i believe that diskless is good, but not doing *everything* on one server
[08:28] <highvoltage> the workstations must so some work too.
[08:28] <ogra> these workstations will be managed by tools written in ubuntu, not in edubuntu
[08:29] <ogra> these tools will be written in and for a gnome environment
[08:29] <ogra> oh, btw, damned 
[08:29] <highvoltage> ok
[08:29] <ogra> i'm pretty sure we cant ship gnome and xubuntu alongside
[08:29] <Yagisan> highvoltage: well, if you only use 1 server, you've not implemented it right
[08:30] <Yagisan> oh, and morning all
[08:30] <ogra> xubuntu rebuilds a lot of gnome packages without gnome support, that will break
[08:30] <highvoltage> Yagisan: the vast majority of ltsp labs have a single server :(
[08:30] <highvoltage> mostly from a cost perspective.
[08:31] <highvoltage> there's often another server for mail/web stuff. but not for applications.
[08:31] <ogra> highvoltage, make sure to talk to janimo about the above and note a solution (if there is one) in the spec draft
[08:32] <highvoltage> ogra: ok
[08:32] <Yagisan> highvoltage: that's a shame. I'd never spec one like that for a client.
[08:32] <highvoltage> ogra: i've installed gnome and xfce along side
[08:33] <ogra> what other specs do we want (or can we achieve in 4 months)
[08:33] <ogra> ?
[08:33] <highvoltage> and xubuntu-system-tools as well as gnome-system-tools run fine
[08:33] <highvoltage> what do we expect to break?
[08:33] <ogra> ok
[08:33] <ogra> that would be one area
[08:33] <highvoltage> ogra: have you logged fully-automatic-swap-server?
[08:33] <ogra> alsoi what does xubuntu use for automounting ? 
[08:33] <ogra> yes, thats on my list in any case
[08:33] <ogra> as local devices and ltsp manager
[08:34] <highvoltage> i suspect LAMS is too premature?
[08:34] <ogra> also usergroup driven menu profiles
[08:34] <ogra> LAMS has still a java problem
[08:34] <ogra> (we cant ship non free java)
[08:35] <highvoltage> guest user on demand would be nice, although security team won't like it
[08:35] <ogra> what about thick clients (netbooted workstations) ?
[08:35] <highvoltage> for example, there's a button 'guest' on the gdm screen, and if you click on it, it creates a limited, guest user that will be deleted after log out.
[08:36] <highvoltage> hmmm... i think i might have written a spec for diskless fat clients already
[08:36] <ogra> you can write aq spec and invite the security team to your BOFs to get it done *right* ;)
[08:36] <mhz> ogra, and if edubuntu-light had xfce as option, but including/using gnome dependencies... would that still mean lighter performance than plain gnome install?
[08:36] <highvoltage> ogra: yes, i'll write a spec for that then
[08:36] <ogra> in fact thats the reason we meet, get the right people in and you wil have a proper solution
[08:36] <ogra> even if its evil, we should implement it the right way ;)
[08:37] <highvoltage> yep, we have to make the most of it.
[08:37] <highvoltage> yeah, we have the best excorcists available :)
[08:37] <ogra> mhz, i guess so, you'll need more mem for the additional gnome libs 
[08:37] <mhz> ogra, thx
[08:37] <highvoltage> ogra: here it is, a very vague draft: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-fat-clients
[08:38] <highvoltage> ogra: i still need to read through all of sabdfl's docs on good specs
[08:38] <highvoltage> i'll do that tomorrow morning and make all my specs nice
[08:38] <mhz> highvoltage, in your labs, do you have enough hardware for diff kind of performance tests?
[08:38] <ogra> take your time you have until the 18th
[08:39] <ogra> highvoltage, thats a local apps spec
[08:39] <highvoltage> ogra: if i can give you advice... i don't think it's ever a good idea to tell me 'take your time' :)
[08:39] <mhz> hehehe
[08:39] <ogra> make a bit more clear that you mean to run the whole desktop in the ltsp chroot
[08:40] <highvoltage> ok
[08:40] <mhz> yeah, it is incredible how relaxing is for me that "take your time" expression. It would gimme a chance to just append an item to the end of my ToDo :D
[08:40] <ogra> highvoltage, well, i ve told you the deadline alongside ;)
[08:41] <highvoltage> mhz: that's what i tend to do. it's not that i'm lazy, it's just that i tend to have many things that 'needed to be done yesterday', and if someone says 'nah, it's not urgent', i tend ot think, ok, i have lots of time for that. and then a day before the deadline, i realise i haven't started yet.
[08:41] <highvoltage> but luckily i work well under pressure :)
[08:45] <mhz> highvoltage, I used to think I worked good under pressure until one day I could not even sit at the computer or even walk, even after I thought I was conciously deciding to sit down or walk, but stress was hidden somewhere giving orders I did not know :)
[08:45] <mhz> then, I realized, the only way I could work fine under pressure was doing some sport
[08:46] <mhz> or having some hours off, totaly off
[08:46] <mhz> my 2 cents :D
[08:50] <highvoltage> mhz: i was there too at one stage.
[08:51] <mhz> just dont forget it happens one way or another :)
[08:51] <highvoltage> mhz: in 2001, i worked in a computer shop. two days before pay day, i threw a hissy fit and said i'd rather clean dirty toilets for a living than work with computers again
[08:51] <mhz> lol
[08:51] <highvoltage> mhz: and i left without ever going back. i told them they can stuff it
[09:08] <highvoltage> ogra: remember that gtk bug i filed for edubuntu? i'm getting the same on my laptop with the normal ubuntu theme. perhaps i have some very strange, yet subtle hardware problem. or perhaps it's just something I do that causes it.
[09:11] <Burgwork> highvoltage, what is the bug?
[09:20] <highvoltage> Burgwork: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/edubuntu-artwork/+bug/47336
[09:23] <Burgwork> highvoltage, might that be a video driver issue?
[09:23] <Burgwork> can you get sladen to look at it?
[09:24] <highvoltage> Burgwork: i just re-installed this laptop tonight
[09:24] <highvoltage> Burgwork: previously it was with a clean edubuntu install :/
[09:25] <highvoltage> but i'll see if sladen can give some feedback.
[09:25] <highvoltage> what does he do? does he work on gtk themes?
[09:27] <Burgwork> no, general stuff
[09:27] <Spider`> hi
[09:27] <highvoltage> hi Spider` 
[09:27] <Spider`> the edubuntu he have the install of 6.06
[09:27] <Spider`> not live
[09:28] <highvoltage> ok
[09:28] <Spider`> ?
[09:28] <Spider`> he have
[09:29] <highvoltage> Spider`: i'm not sure i'm understanding you
[09:29] <mhz> highvoltage, is southafrica areas also difficutl to get internet access too?
[09:30] <highvoltage> Spider`: you have the edubuntu text install cd, not the live one. do you have a problem?
[09:30] <Spider`> how i can change the edubuntu beta 2 
[09:30] <highvoltage> mhz: very
[09:30] <Spider`> to edubuntu 6.06
[09:30] <highvoltage> mhz: you can get it everywhere, but it's very expensive
[09:30] <highvoltage> mhz: i'm curently paying about US$2 to download my ati drivers over gprs :(
[09:31] <highvoltage> Spider`: you can rsync it
[09:31] <highvoltage> Spider`: just a sec..
[09:31] <mhz> highvoltage, i see. more arguments to have edubuntu-lighte and, in the case of LA, more arguments to support my idea of Edubuntu Latino (all set default for spanish speakers)
[09:32] <mhz> highvoltage, if FET works out ok, I may get some funding for Edubuntu Latino (ot at least Chile :D which still work for the rest)
[09:32] <Burgwork> mhz, latiano is probably a good thing, but see if you can brand it so that it has traction is spain and portugal as well
[09:33] <mhz> Burgwork, yeah, well, Spain is THE only spanish speaker country that has many issues regarding lang support
[09:33] <mhz> and so Portugal and Brazil
[09:34] <mhz> Burgwork, i mean, spain is the only country that insists on calling stuff with names that no one in Latinamerica uses
[09:35] <highvoltage> ogra: i'm not sure what the rsync link is for 6.06 stable, could you please post it here? my connection is extremely slow currently, it's hard to check
[09:35] <mhz> and LA popultaion is much wider, so .. my 1st idea would be for LA. However, Spain Gov. do have some support for FLOSS projects, individually for each spain region, becuase even inside Spain, there are losts of variations to spanish... it is a mess :D
[09:40] <ogra> highvoltage, rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/dapper/edubuntu-6.06-install-i386.iso
[09:51] <blue-frog> ogra: something wrong about the rsync link you gave? I just tried to rsync my cds (ubuntu) and they just went from 600MB to 37 KB :)
[09:52] <ogra> well, see yourself  rsync rsync://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/dapper/
[09:52] <Spider`> ogra
[09:52] <Spider`> how i can upgrade my edubuntu 5.10
[09:52] <Spider`> to edubuntu 6.06
[09:53] <ogra> Spider`, follow https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DapperUpgrades and if you have ltsp installed also https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[09:54] <blue-frog> ogra are the numbers right after the permissions the actual size of the cd/dvd?
[09:55] <ogra> aww, they are links
[09:55] <blue-frog> ogra: oh that's why i got links on my HDD now :)
[09:57] <ogra> hmm, no idea where they link to though ... and i have no access to the r.u.c machine
[09:58] <blue-frog> cause can't rsync either from "normal download page either
[09:59] <god__> Hello
[09:59] <blue-frog> *thinks he's gonna wait before trying to rsync his edubuntu dvd and ubuntu dvd :) *
[09:59] <god__> My computer doesn't seem to have any sound
[09:59] <god__> Nothing comes out of the speakers when theres clearly music playing
[10:00] <blue-frog> god__: do you have system sound?
[10:00] <blue-frog> god__: on edubuntu server or on thin clients?
[10:01] <god__> I'm not sure --;
[10:01] <god__> I installed it on my home computer
[10:01] <Yagisan> ok
[10:01] <blue-frog> god__: stupid question your speakers are hooked on?
[10:01] <god__> yes they are
[10:01] <god__> I made sure of that one
[10:02] <blue-frog> volume is not muted?
[10:02] <god__> nope
[10:02] <god__> I made sure of that one too
[10:02] <blue-frog> when you bring the cursor on the sound icon what does it say?
[10:02] <Yagisan> god__: what is the output from  cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:02] <Yagisan> god__: is your sound card even detected ?
[10:02] <god__> Would that require Sudo?
[10:02] <Yagisan> god__: no
[10:03] <god__> 0 [Intel          ] : HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
[10:03] <god__>                      HDA Intel at 0xcfdb8000 irq 16
[10:03] <god__> Thats all
[10:06] <god__> Its onboard sound, an OEM HP computer
[10:06] <paolob_server> Hi guys!
[10:08] <paolob_server> I've just upgraded the edubuntu server to dapper, but now the client can't login in the gnome session: they keep showing the gnome splash image (the world map), without entering gnome. After a certain time, the gnome attempt fails. Any hint?
[10:09] <god__> Any ideas for my problem as well?
[10:09] <paolob_server> In the clients' boot process messages like this appear: "ip length 295 disagrees with bytes received 299"
[10:09] <paolob_server> Any idea ogra?
[10:09] <crimsun> god__: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[10:11] <god__> crimsun: did you want the output of that command?
[10:11] <crimsun> god__: yes
[10:11] <god__> Mixers:
[10:11] <god__> 0: Realtek ALC880
[10:12] <crimsun> can you pastebin your ``amixer'' output?
[10:12] <crimsun> sorry,
[10:12] <crimsun> ``lspci -nv && amixer''
[10:18] <god__> Whats the pastebin site?
[10:18] <crimsun> paste.ubuntu-nl.org, but I can't reach it. Please use pastebin.ca
[10:25] <god__> http://pastebin.ca/61173
[10:25] <god__>  < Crimsun
[10:27] <crimsun> oh, yours is a short one, whew
[10:27] <crimsun> amixer set 'Front' on && amixer set 'Front' 80%
[10:28] <god__> Ok, is that it? Or do you want the output of that?
[10:28] <crimsun> that's it.
[10:28] <god__> Oh ok, i'll test it now
[10:39] <cbx33> yahoot
[10:39] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[10:40] <crimsun> god__: any luck?
[10:40] <cbx33> god is in edubuntu
[10:40] <cbx33> I knew we rocked but....
[10:41] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah?
[10:41] <cbx33> LaserJock, more changes to gisomount :D
[10:42] <cbx33> I've fixed those two bugs about creating the vdirs and using the volumne label as the mount point name
[10:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: you called ?
[10:42] <paolob-parroquia> Hi guys!
[10:42] <cbx33> Yagisan, nope :p
[10:42] <cbx33> I played a bit on doom the other day
[10:42] <LaserJock> cbx33: grrr, I'm never even going to get done reading through the code by 3.0 :-)
[10:43] <cbx33> hehe sure you will
[10:43] <cbx33> it's pretty easy
[10:43] <cbx33> I'm going through and commenting now
[10:43] <LaserJock> I got handed another assignment today ;-)
[10:43] <cbx33> oh
[10:43] <cbx33> is that good or bad :p
[10:43] <cbx33> I've changed the way we store information about which isos are mounted
[10:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: sorry, when you said god was here, I couldn't help responding
[10:44] <pygi> cbx33, poke? :)
[10:44] <cbx33> Yagisan, hehe
[10:44] <cbx33> pygi, yup I'm here
[10:44] <cbx33> Yagisan, I'm up to like lvl 5 on doom
[10:44] <cbx33> could be doom II
[10:44] <cbx33> can't remember
[10:44] <pygi> cbx33, did it work? (the function)
[10:44] <cbx33> oh and a strange bug on it....
[10:44] <cbx33> pygi, not tried it yet
[10:44] <Yagisan> cbx33: bug ?
[10:44] <cbx33> got caught up implementing something else
[10:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: well, I'm now going to write and maitain the Ubuntu Developer's Reference
[10:45] <pygi> cbx33, hm,oki :)
[10:45] <cbx33> LaserJock, wow
[10:45] <cbx33> that's cool
[10:45] <cbx33> Yagisan, yes, I don;t get sound on the menu
[10:45] <cbx33> only if I copy the launcher script and run if from my home dir
[10:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: yeah, but it's going to be a lot of work
[10:46] <pygi> LaserJock, if you need help, please poke :)
[10:46] <Yagisan> cbx33: timidity and freepats installed ?
[10:46] <cbx33> if you ned any help just shout
[10:46] <cbx33> dunno
[10:46] <LaserJock> pygi: you know SGML?
[10:46] <cbx33> Yagisan, it works
[10:46] <cbx33> LaserJock, I do :p
[10:47] <pygi> LaserJock, never really used it
[10:47] <cbx33> Yagisan, just not from the launcher
[10:47] <pygi> played around with it a lill'
[10:47] <paolob-parroquia> I've just upgraded my edubuntu server to dapper, and I have many problems: the clients doesn't enter completely the gnome session, they stay with the gnome splash screeen (the world map) without progressing. I found that in syslog I have lines like: "dhcpd: ip length 295 disagrees with bytes received 299." Any idea? Besides that the internet doesn't work well, xchat doesn't register with the servers, etc. In syslog I see also a "k
[10:47] <paolob-parroquia> ernel sky2 eth0" which never appeared before the upgrade.... Help!!!!!
[10:47] <Yagisan> cbx33: ah, what launcher script ?
[10:47] <cbx33> the launcher command
[10:48] <cbx33> /usr/games/doomsday -anifilter -texcomp -game jdoom -file /usr/share/games/deng/Data/jDoom/doom2.wad
[10:52] <Yagisan> cbx33: with that command music should work anywhere
[10:53] <cbx33> nn all
[10:58] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: have you done this? note that the 2nd method is recommended - https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes
[11:10] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, ok, but the problem is outside the chroot too: I can't connect to the internet. For example, the browser load google pages, but can't load other pages, the vncviewer doesn't connect to other servers, xchat can't end the login procedure to the server....
[11:11] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, the second is the "Recreating the client chroot" ?
[11:11] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: yes, i'm not sure about that sorry - my googling for >>"kernel sky2 eth0" syslog<< has some interesting results
[11:11] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: yes
[11:12] <Bluekuja> hello guys
[11:13] <Bluekuja> bimberi: hello ;)
[11:13] <bimberi> hi Bluekuja :)
[11:14] <Bluekuja> bimberi: i was browsing an Ubuntu mirror, i've found a ubuntu-6.0.6-alternate
[11:14] <Bluekuja> .iso file
[11:14] <Bluekuja> whats that?
[11:15] <pygi> hello Andrea
[11:15] <bimberi> text mode install CD
[11:15] <Bluekuja> oh hello mario
[11:15] <pygi> as opposed to live cd
[11:15] <Bluekuja> ah oki, thanx
[11:15] <pitux> hi 
[11:16] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, aaaaaargggggghhhhh, after deleting the chroot, the ltsp-build-client can't retrieve from the internet of the connection problems...... aaaarrrrggghhh!
[11:16] <Bluekuja> i never downloaded that .iso, that's why i didnt know ;)
[11:16] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: :/
[11:16] <pitux> when I install edubuntu, can i install the same software for ubuntu?, for example xgl
[11:16] <Bluekuja> pitux: yes
[11:16] <bimberi> pitux: yes
[11:17] <pitux> cool ;D
[11:18] <pygi> Bluekuja, how does this look like
[11:18] <pygi> http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/6396/template1gv.png
[11:19] <Bluekuja> pygi: mario, that's a great website template
[11:19] <Bluekuja> i would like to see it bigger
[11:19] <Bluekuja> i mean full page
[11:19] <bimberi> pygi: very nice :)
[11:20] <pygi> Bluekuja, it won't be full page, will just be centered
[11:20] <Bluekuja> well move it to the centre would be great too
[11:20] <Bluekuja> congratz for it
[11:21] <pygi> I haven't made it :)
[11:21] <Bluekuja> ah yeah, you told me
[11:21] <pygi> :-P
[11:21] <Bluekuja> about author
[11:21] <Bluekuja> ^^
[11:21] <bimberi> well done Josip then :)
[11:21] <Bluekuja> hehe yeah
[11:22] <pygi> joy ;)
[11:22] <Bluekuja> when will it be finish?
[11:22] <pygi> like next week, but I won't upload it until like end of month
[11:23] <pygi> I have some nice things to prepare :)
[11:23] <Bluekuja> oh nice, how much have you paid for it?
[11:23] <Bluekuja> or maybe your frend did it for free
[11:24] <pygi> we'll see :)
[11:24] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: just a thought - if you have a different model network card available you could try that
[11:25] <pygi> Argh, I'll need to buy a server :P
[11:25] <bimberi> pygi: rent one?
[11:25] <Bluekuja> pyg: i can host it for you
[11:25] <Bluekuja> hehe
[11:26] <pygi> bimberi, nah, better to buy one, I can have control over it
[11:26] <Bluekuja> pygi: what do you need on it?
[11:26] <pygi> Bluekuja, I found none who has things I need (django, clearsilver, newest sqlite, stuff)
[11:27] <pygi> but basicly, there are some stuff that will need some serious server power in the future, so I'll buy a server anyway in near future
[11:29] <pygi> Bluekuja, thanks for the offer :)
[11:30] <Bluekuja> pygi: mario np for you
[11:34] <pygi> Bluekuja, btw. you havent said me the name of package in "Extras" which I can test :(
[11:34] <pygi> Neither you sent me .deb package :(
[11:36] <pygi> hey HedgeMage :)
[11:37] <Bluekuja> pygi: yum search ctorrent
[11:37] <Bluekuja> pygi: deb package will be available in debian
[11:37] <Bluekuja> soon i think
[11:38] <pygi> Bluekuja, ok, thanks :)
[11:38] <Bluekuja> my advocate/sponsor is reviewing it
[11:38] <Bluekuja> ;)
[11:38] <pygi> ;)
[11:38] <pygi> joy :)
[11:38] <Bluekuja> anyway rrpm package is available
[11:39] <pygi> bimberi, Due to lack of Datacenter space,
[11:39] <pygi> unixshell# has suspended ordering until further notice
[11:39] <pygi> lol :)
[11:40] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, but the issue of this driver sky2.... I think in breezy it wasn't used... Isn't there a way to know what driver was used before and to revert to it?
[11:41] <HedgeMage> hi
[11:41] <pygi> how are you HedgeMage ? :)
[11:42] <juliux> !seen ogra
[11:42] <ubotu> ogra is currently on #edubuntu (9h 35m 32s) #ubuntu (9h 35m 32s)
[11:43] <juliux> !seen dholbach
[11:43] <ubotu> dholbach <n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 1d 12h 25m 13s ago, saying: 'WOOHOO'.
[11:43] <juliux> !seen mvo
[11:43] <ubotu> juliux: i haven't seen 'mvo'
[11:43] <LaserJock> mvo was in -devel earlier today
[11:44] <pygi> LaserJock, ubotu lies :)
[11:48] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: breezy livecd perhaps?
[11:48] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, what do I do with it?
[11:48] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, no, I remember it didn't work with that pc
[11:49] <lucasvo> !seen cbx
[11:49] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'cbx', lucasvo
[11:49] <lucasvo> !seen cbx333
[11:49] <ubotu> cbx333 <n=c2df514b@209.152.164.93> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 2d 11h 14m 30s ago, saying: 'brb'.
[11:49] <lucasvo> !seen cbx33
[11:49] <ubotu> cbx33 <n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33> was last seen on IRC in channel #edubuntu, 56m 29s ago, saying: 'nn all'.
[11:50] <lucasvo> good night
[11:50] <pygi> lucasvo, bad ubotu :)
[11:50] <pygi> lucasvo, night :)
[11:50] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: hmmk, even if it only boots to text mode, you could see what driver is being used
[11:50] <HedgeMage> pygi: nervous :P
[11:50] <pygi> HedgeMage, why is that? :P
[11:50] <HedgeMage> pygi: up for a job that I'd love to get, but not sure I will
[11:51] <pygi> HedgeMage, o, really? which one? :)
[11:51] <pygi> good luck ;)
[11:51] <paolob-parroquia> bimberi, won't I find something in a log file?
[11:51] <HedgeMage> a consulting thing for C, C++, Perl
[11:51] <pygi> HedgeMage, nice, good luck ;)
[11:51] <pygi> I'll need a  bit of your assistance later then ;)
[11:52] <HedgeMage> :)
[11:53] <pygi> (to reclaim channel back :P)
[11:53] <pygi> btw. how was party?
[12:04] <bimberi> paolob-parroquia: yes, something in /var/log perhaps - or use lsmod