[12:07] <kmon> I hope plasma integrates some new ideas on the kmenu
[12:08] <kmon> right now it's ok, but I don't really like the design
[12:08] <kmon> I don't like kbfx either
[12:08] <apachelogger> probably - as kicker will not be anymore
[12:08] <kmon> to Winxp
[12:08] <kmon> too
[12:08] <nixternal> exactly kmon
[12:08] <nixternal> no more kicker?
[12:08] <nixternal> kxdocker like?
[12:09] <apachelogger> plasma = new concept of desktop
[12:09] <apachelogger> kicker will not be kicker anymore
[12:09] <nixternal> ahhh
[12:09] <nixternal> ok...i see
[12:09] <apachelogger> will also be named differnt afaik
[12:09] <nixternal> so big changes then with kde4...that is good...i definately can't wait
[12:11] <nixternal> ya..me either apachelogger
[12:11] <nixternal> everyone pushes linux as a free os, then they try to be more like linspire...i know it is a marketing ploy, but i think it is dangerous
[12:12] <kmon> good night
[12:12] <kmon> everyone
[12:12] <apachelogger> knite kmon
[12:12] <kmon> and thanks again for dapper ;)
[12:12] <apachelogger> btw, amaroK will probably be "renamed" to Amarok
[12:18] <lnxKDE> nice :)
[12:18] <lnxKDE> kubuntu dapper with 3.5.3 and amarok 1.4 here :D
[12:18] <nixternal> i just started using amaroK...i didn't like it at first because it wouldn't recognize my daap server. no i just use an nfs & samba server
[12:18] <lnxKDE> and working greate 
[12:18] <lnxKDE> thankx devs!
[12:18] <nixternal> nfs & samba server > daap anyways
[12:31] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[12:31] <bobesponja> nixternal: what is daap?
[12:32] <nixternal> mt-daapd is an itunes server
[12:32] <bobesponja> you mean an mp3 streaming thing?
[12:33] <nixternal> it is nice...because when the server is running...anyone with itunes, rythmbox, or banshee will automatically pick up the server upon start and you can start listening to the music
[12:33] <nixternal> it is similar bobesponja
[12:33] <nixternal> it is itunes specific really..only downfall is how to put files on the server, and you can't edit the info at all
[12:35] <jeroenvrp> I try to load the dapper-iso with qemu, using teh command:
[12:35] <jeroenvrp> qemu -cdrom kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso -boot d -m 256
[12:36] <jeroenvrp> It's saying 'adding live user'
[12:36] <jeroenvrp> it turns black again
[12:36] <jeroenvrp> and the last line is a line saying: 'enabling passive release, etc...'
[12:36] <jeroenvrp> there it stops
[12:36] <jeroenvrp> and waits there forever
[12:37] <jeroenvrp> what am I doing wrong?
[12:39] <Tonio_> re
[12:39] <Tonio_> much better with a fresh installation ;)
[12:39] <nixternal> Tonio_: after installing...it was fine for me...there was no black cursor this time either
[12:39] <nixternal> cool...
[12:40] <Tonio_> nixternal: except that stupid removal for the tray
[12:40] <Tonio_> I just hope this is a bug so that we can get a fix
[12:40] <Tonio_> I loved that functionnality
[12:40] <nixternal> ya..i noticed right away too...i see everything on 1 row
[12:41] <Tonio_> nixternal: in systemsettings, can you go in admin mode with the knetworkconf module ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> fails here
[12:41] <nixternal> yes
[12:41] <nixternal> i just got done doing it
[12:42] <Tonio_> okay so that's just an local issue
[12:42] <nixternal> i used it to set my static ips and my domain
[12:42] <Tonio_> okay let's reboot after all installations and reconfigure everything.............;
[12:42] <Tonio_> nixternal: great
[12:42] <nixternal> that is the first time i have done that too...i am so used to terminal
[12:44] <nixternal> ??
[12:46] <Tonio_> re
[12:46] <Tonio_> one great improvement is kde startup
[12:46] <Tonio_> very very fast
[12:47] <nixternal> yes it is
[12:47] <Tonio_> only that tray and everything is perfect for me :)
[12:47] <nixternal> it definately makes using xwindows enjoyable...i stopped using xwindows in the 90's because it was never enjoyable
[12:48] <nixternal> xwindows forced me to use windows...that is why i am a terminal junky to this day
[12:48] <Tonio_> nixternal: hehe
[12:49] <nixternal> now i just need to pick the coding aspect back up and then i will be good
[12:49] <nixternal> kubuntu and kde 3.5.2 made me stop using windows totally
[12:49] <nixternal> i just need to find a decent cad substitute and i will be good
[12:50] <Tonio_> cad ?
[12:50] <nixternal> i used autocad with windows...computer aided drafting
[12:51] <nixternal> it is great when it comes time to design network layouts for office spaces
[12:51] <nixternal> actually...i was starting to use m$ visio 2003...that worked pretty decent too
[12:51] <nixternal> im sure there is a linux port somewhere that will do everything i need..i just need to find some time to test some
[01:02] <lnxKDE> Kernel: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 | Distro: Debian/GNU testing/unstable | CPU: 2-way SMP Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 3.00GHz @ 3002 Mhz | Mem usage: 289.5/1009.4 MB (29%) | Swap usage: 18/1623.7 MB (1%) | Disk usage(/dev/sda): 106.8/193.9 GB (55%) | Uptime: 15 hrs 43 mins 19 secs 
[01:06] <Riddell> ?
[01:06] <nixternal> Riddell: i have one problem with Kubuntu
[01:06] <nixternal> I CAN'T GET ENOUGH!!!
[01:06] <nixternal> gotcha
[01:06] <nixternal> congrats mate on a job well done
[01:06] <Riddell> thanks
[01:07] <Riddell> but it wouldn't have happened without the great community of developers we have here
[01:07] <nixternal> so true...everyone here is great...that is why i like to hang out and help any way that i can...mostly supporting everyone in #kubuntu and testing
[01:09] <lnxKDE> riddell will a amd64 vercion of KDE 3.5.3 will come out
[01:09] <lnxKDE> ?>'
[01:10] <Riddell> lnxKDE: it's up there now, let me know if it works
[01:10] <lnxKDE> nice
[01:10] <Riddell> nixternal: cool, we need more helpers in #kubuntu
[01:11] <lnxKDE> will download the amd 64 ver of dapper to install it :)
[01:11] <lnxKDE> I will report eny bug ;)
[01:14] <nixternal> that is so true Riddell...i know most of my help has to deal with networking...that is where my greatest amount of experience is...as i learn new things...i can usually help someone out with more...like CUPS...
[01:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: here in france, all comments on informatics websites were very nice concerning kubuntu
[01:15] <Tonio_> from newsposters or users :)
[01:15] <Riddell> formidable
[01:16] <Riddell> time for bed
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you notice the kicker tray is back to one line mode..... I wonder if this is wanted or a bug .....
[01:16] <Tonio_> nothing concerning this in the changelog....
[01:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: apparantly the two line mode was a bug
[01:16] <nixternal> LOL
[01:17] <Riddell> so we'll need to add a couple pixels to the height of kicker in edgy to get it back to two line systray icons
[01:17] <nixternal> Tonio_: we had it backwards... Riddell we want the bug back then
[01:17] <nixternal> hehe
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: it was annouced as a new feature with kde 3.5.2 changelog
[01:17] <Riddell> Tonio_: there were problems at Normal kicker hight, not enough margin for some icons
[01:17] <Riddell> or something
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes I know
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not simply auto resizing the icons the same way applauncher applet does ?
[01:18] <Tonio_> the difference in the quite is quite invisible and it fits perfectly in the bar
[01:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: two line mode is still there, riddell is right
[01:20] <Tonio_> but as icons are not resized, you need to increase the size of kicker
[01:20] <nixternal> ahh
[01:20] <Tonio_> nixternal: just tried here and that works
[01:20] <nixternal> oh ya..that is right..i do remember
[01:20] <nixternal> make it larger then 58 correct?
[01:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: yup
[01:21] <Tonio_> nixternal: although I would personnaly prefer the tray to work the same way than applauncher does
[01:21] <nixternal> is there a way to make those icons smaller...so you don't have to make the kicker so large?
[01:21] <Tonio_> adapting icons and not the bar...........
[01:21] <nixternal> yes
[01:21] <Tonio_> I don't know a way to configure this no........
[01:22] <nixternal> what would be nice...is like with the desktop pager...where you can select the amount of rows you want
[01:23] <Tonio_> nixternal: set it to 48
[01:23] <Tonio_> it works :)
[01:23] <nixternal> it works at 48?
[01:23] <Tonio_> yup
[01:23] <nixternal> woohoo
[01:23] <nixternal> beautiful
[01:24] <nixternal> thx for that Tonio_
[01:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: but honnestly, why not adapting the icon size ?
[01:24] <Tonio_> nixternal: did you already try to use the applauncher ?
[01:24] <Tonio_> it is able to auto adapt the icon size........
[01:24] <nixternal> i haven't yet with this install
[01:24] <Tonio_> that's a way cleaner way to do
[01:24] <Tonio_> let me show you
[01:25] <Tonio_> nixternal: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture1.png
[01:25] <Tonio_> look on the left
[01:26] <Tonio_> icons are adapted to the bar's height
[01:26] <nixternal> oh ya
[01:26] <nixternal> that is nice...because i like to have my kicker usually around 32
[01:26] <Tonio_> nixternal: and the size is always proportionnal to the bar's height.........
[01:27] <nixternal> im going to give it a try
[01:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: sure that's nice
[01:27] <Tonio_> nixternal: I just don't think the tray can do that, but we can sk for this kind of feature (or option in the tray applet at least)
[01:28] <Tonio_> would be nice to be able to check "auto resize icons"
[01:28] <nixternal> ya...auto resize would be very nice
[01:28] <Tonio_> nixternal: I will discuss this with kde devs in paris ubuntu meetings :)
[01:28] <nixternal> i can work with the 48 since im on a 19"...but say for instance on my 15" lcd's or my 17" crt's...i like the smaller kicker
[01:29] <nixternal> hehe..must be nice...tell them WE WANT THIS!!!  i think they like when you tell them like that ;)
[01:32] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:09] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:21] <nixternal> hey bddebian
[03:21] <bddebian> Hello nixternal
[03:46] <_ZuZuu_> Riddell: great interview on kubuntu.org ;)
[03:46] <_ZuZuu_> i just read it
[03:47] <DaSkreec1> Huh? 
[04:19] <poimen> Riddell 
[04:19] <poimen> Riddell : u there?
[04:19] <bobesponja> poimen: he's sleeping, it's 4 am there
[04:20] <poimen> wow
[04:21] <poimen> just kubuntu 6.06 is greate :)
[04:21] <poimen> Its very nice also that we can have KDE 3.5.3
[04:22] <bddebian> heh
[06:58] <kwwii> moin
[06:59] <robotgeek> hey kwwii 
[07:03] <kwwii> howdy robotgeek
[08:18] <imbrandon> morning -devel
[08:30] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[08:31] <kwwii> so much for using my mac as a buildserver...it won't even boot the cd
[08:58] <Hobbsee> hi all
[08:58] <nixternal> hell Hobbsee
[08:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[08:59] <nixternal> woot
[08:59] <nixternal> that is good...geek is good
[08:59] <nixternal> better then what people usually call me
[08:59] <nixternal> ;D
[08:59] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:00] <nixternal> im in qconf right now...fixin' up a kernel..and i haven't been paying attention..i have just been deselecting...i hope it works when im all done ;)
[09:01] <Hobbsee> ooh fun :)
[09:03] <imbrandon> morning
[09:03] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon 
[09:04] <nixternal> about time you woke up imbrandon
[09:04] <imbrandon> lol i sleep in today ;)
[09:04] <nixternal> i ran into one today while brushing my teeth...amazing the people you meet while brusing your teeth in the mirror
[09:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:04] <Hobbsee> no, one that wasnt me!
[09:04] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:04] <imbrandon> lol
[09:05] <imbrandon> at the uni Hobbsee ?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yep
[09:05] <imbrandon> cool
[09:05] <Hobbsee> those cgywin shells look very conspicuous, you know :P
[09:06] <imbrandon> ?
[09:06] <Hobbsee> cygwin?  i never know how to spell it
[09:06] <imbrandon> they make you use cygwin ;)
[09:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: linux shells on windows machines :P
[09:06] <Hobbsee> no, but it's installed :D
[09:07] <imbrandon> ahh
[09:07] <Hobbsee> we have to use *groan* dev-c++ <-- it's slower than a wet millenium, particularly in the past week.
[09:07] <imbrandon> heh
[09:08] <Hobbsee> the uni computers are extremely slow at the moment :(
[09:09] <Hobbsee> why europe?
[09:09] <nixternal> hehe
[09:09] <nixternal> or greece
[09:09] <imbrandon> tired of it here, eruope has so much cool stuff close
[09:10] <Hobbsee> ah...
[09:10] <imbrandon> it ;)
[09:10] <nixternal> Hobbsee: cabo san lucas mexico
[09:11] <imbrandon> nixternal, i've been there a few times , its ok , to many tourist though wouldent wanna live there
[09:11] <nixternal> i love it there...i go a few times a year...i need to just buy a house down there as much as i spend visiting
[09:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sounds interesting
[09:11] <nixternal> gotta live in the outskirts
[09:11] <nixternal> can't live in the city
[09:11] <nixternal> down towards landsend...or by the desert gulf course area
[09:11] <nixternal> only rich tourists hang out there
[09:12] <imbrandon> the heart of berlin or something would be cool
[09:12] <imbrandon> maybe a little farther south like it would be warmer though
[09:13] <nixternal> i got to visit all of europe in the military..and plus my x-wife is from europe..born in greece, raised all over europe...and our daughter was born in greece
[09:13] <nixternal> if my x and i ever got back together...we would definately end up in europe somewhere..we love it
[09:14] <nixternal> oops..i just realised where we were..i thought we were off-topic
[09:31] <freeflying> hi all
[09:31] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying 
[09:31] <freeflying> Hobbsee: hey
[10:05] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[10:05] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell - how are you doing today?
[10:06] <imbrandon> heay freeflying Riddell
[10:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: bright and breezy
[10:06] <freeflying> hi imbrandon  Riddell 
[10:06] <Riddell> well, actually I'm rather dapper
[10:06] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:06] <Riddell> hi imbrandon, freeflying 
[10:06] <\sh> moins
[10:06] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hi \sh 
[10:07] <freeflying> \sh: hey
[10:07] <\sh> Just installating kubuntu 6.06 on a T43 ;)
[10:07] <imbrandon> nice
[10:07] <\sh> installing :)
[10:07] <imbrandon> T43 == sparc ?
[10:08] <imbrandon> the new "N" chips ?
[10:08] <\sh> t43 == ibm laptop, 60 gb sata drive, 1gb ram
[10:08] <imbrandon> ahh
[10:08] <viviersf> im still downloading sh :/
[10:08] <\sh> thinkpad
[10:08] <viviersf> we south africans have crappy bw
[10:08] <\sh> we mirrored already for internal use here ;)
[10:08] <imbrandon> i got dapper on my sparc with minimal problems but i cant get it to load in qemu-system-sparc
[10:09] <imbrandon> \sh, same here I run an internal mirror ( for me and my lug )
[10:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: who was that?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just a guy at my uni
[10:13] <Hobbsee> not a dev
[10:13] <Riddell> yet...
[10:13] <imbrandon> Riddell, whats the process for getting a NEW package in edgy ? and its NOT currently in debian ( package is http://apt-mirror.sf.net , and I dont have anything to do with them other than i use it currently on my dapper server but i would be willing to package/maintain it )  .... is there a wiki page describing the process ?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[10:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: read the packaging guide on doc.ubuntu.com, various wiki pages, debi
[10:14] <Riddell> debian policy
[10:14] <Riddell> package, get and account and upload to revu, get it reviewed by a couple of MOTUs and someone will upload
[10:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html also
[10:15] <imbrandon> well i know how to package it but meaning more should i upload it for revu or what ?
[10:15] <imbrandon> ahh ok
[10:16] <freeflying> Riddell: now begain working on edgy?
[10:16] <Riddell> freeflying: soon
[10:16] <Riddell> imbrandon: revu's the one
[10:17] <imbrandon> ok cool
[10:17] <imbrandon> i have a revu account just need to update my gpg key on ther
[10:20] <mornfall> hello
[10:21] <Hobbsee> freeflying: do you think we could persuade them to open the repos any quicker?  like by force, or somethign?  :P
[10:21] <Hobbsee> hey mornfall 
[10:21] <imbrandon> heya mornfall
[10:21] <mornfall> are updates for released (k)ubuntu supposed to be bugfixes-only or features allowed?
[10:21] <mornfall> specifically features introducing new strings
[10:22] <Riddell> mornfall: bugfixes only
[10:22] <freeflying> Hobbsee: relax for a while will be nice for everyone  :)
[10:23] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:29] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you have dapper right? :] 
[10:29] <mornfall> i need someone to test something for me
[10:29] <mornfall> :-))
[10:29] <mornfall> or any volunteers
[10:29] <Hobbsee> mornfall: no.  i'm running edgy.
[10:30] <mornfall> Hobbsee: no difference
[10:30] <mornfall> at least for me :)
[10:30] <Lathiat> hahaha
[10:30] <Hobbsee> mornfall: okay, i'm running flying fox :P
[10:30] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: :P
[10:30] <mornfall> anyone, could you try to reproduce #46083 (by installing sun-java5-bin)?
[10:31] <Lathiat> yeh its broken
[10:31] <mornfall> and if you succeed, i have a patch for adept
[10:31] <Lathiat> says it cant get auth for license
[10:31] <Lathiat> even apt-get installing it
[10:32] <\sh> uga
[10:32] <mornfall> i don't care if it's broken by itself
[10:32] <mornfall> the problem is that adept breaks with it
[10:32] <\sh> scanning network archives..without network fails in ubiquity
[10:33] <Hobbsee> bug 46083
[10:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46083 in ept "cannot install sun-java5-bin" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46083
[10:34] <mornfall> the idea is that you can't focus konsole even after hitting "show details"
[10:34] <Lathiat> mornfall: ah
[10:34] <Lathiat> shouldnt it be using a X frontend to debconf or something?
[10:35] <Lathiat> ah, i see
[10:36] <mornfall> well
[10:36] <mornfall> if you install libqt-perl and are lucky it will
[10:36] <mornfall> but kdesu tends to fuck up .Xauthority 
[10:36] <mornfall> it seems
[10:36] <mornfall> i don't know why it doesn't do sudo -H instead of sudo
[10:37] <mornfall> and use xauth to add to roots .Xauthority whatever is needed
[10:37] <mornfall> awgh
[10:37] <Lathiat> whats gnome do? seems to work on that
[10:37] <mornfall> you may have to fetch updates
[10:37] <mornfall> gksu
[10:38] <mornfall> well, java isn't in main now is it?
[10:38] <mornfall> is it even in universe?
[10:38] <Lathiat> multiverse
[10:38] <mornfall> okey
[10:38] <mornfall> -> unsupported
[10:39] <mornfall> i won't lose sleep over this :p
[10:39] <pygi> Hobbsee, how's edgy? :)
[10:39] <Lathiat> it still sounds like it doesnt generally handle things that ask questions
[10:39] <Hobbsee> pygi: bleeding.
[10:39] <Lathiat> which arent uncommon..
[10:39] <Hobbsee> 73% done...
[10:39] <pygi> Hobbsee, hehe :)
[10:40] <mornfall> 73% of what
[10:40] <mornfall> Lathiat: it works here
[10:40] <mornfall> that's somewhat puzzling
[10:41] <Hobbsee> okay...installing...
[10:41] <mornfall> wee
[10:41] <Hobbsee> mornfall: 73% of downloading the sun-java5-bin
[10:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall: so what did you want me to test for?
[10:42] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it should hang at some point in installation
[10:43] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yeah, it has
[10:43] <mornfall> Hobbsee: that's fine, when it does, hit "show details" and try to get through the click-through license crap
[10:43] <Hobbsee> yep
[10:43] <mornfall> it shouldn't let you
[10:43] <Hobbsee> yeah, which is impossible, yeah
[10:43] <mornfall> ookey
[10:43] <mornfall> so can you now kill it, rm your dpkg lock
[10:44] <mornfall> then apt-get source adept, apply http://rafb.net/paste/results/SPVxj888.nln.html, debuild, install that and try again? *pretty please*
[10:44] <mornfall> (with apply i mean patch -p0 < file-with-the-patch or somesuch)
[10:45] <mornfall> you need to be under ept-2.0/ept to apply
[10:45] <mornfall> and under ept-2.0 to debuild
[10:45] <Hobbsee> grabbing the source now
[10:46] <mornfall> i love you :] 
[10:48] <Riddell> mornfall: a patch for the java package would be very interesting
[10:49] <Riddell> mornfall: how come it adds new strings?
[10:49] <mornfall> Riddell: nono, that's not the one
[10:49] <mornfall> Riddell: i was just wondering if pushing a new release from the 2.0 branch makes sense or i fix it against 2.0 release
[10:50] <mornfall> well, try to fix it
[10:50] <Riddell> ah right, dapper updates should only be easily reviewable simple patches
[10:50] <Riddell> and I doubt the "throw in new versions of gnome" policy changes that
[10:51] <Hobbsee> mornfall: pastebinning.
[10:52] <Hobbsee> mornfall: http://pastebin.com/753084
[10:52] <Hobbsee> that's while trying to apply the patch
[10:54] <mornfall> you didn't paste all of it maybe?
[10:55] <mornfall> like missed last line or something?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i hit download as text
[10:55] <mornfall> but either way it should work
[10:55] <mornfall> it just fuzzed a bit
[10:55] <mornfall> but i have to go to a meeting now :(
[10:56] <Hobbsee> yeah, i got all 17 lines...
[10:56] <mornfall> if you have some results please leave me a note
[10:56] <Hobbsee> mornfall: okay, it's attempting to build - i'll let you knwo what happens
[10:56] <mornfall> i won't be back in less than 30 minutes
[10:56] <mornfall> if you go to bed or something, goodnight :)
[10:56] <mornfall> thanks a lot for testing
[10:56] <mornfall> --> mtg
[10:56] <Hobbsee> mornfall: before you go - what's the patch supposed to do?  make it all work fine?
[10:57] <mornfall> Hobbsee: no, it's only supposed to make it possible to hit enter
[10:57] <mornfall> Hobbsee: so it should still hang and you should still hit show details manually
[10:57] <Hobbsee> mornfall: cool, gotcha
[10:57] <mornfall> don't forget to install the built package :-)
[10:57] <mornfall> ta
[10:57] <Hobbsee> haha
[11:29] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i can now see all of the licence agreement - but still cant hit OK.
[11:49] <mornfall> Hobbsee: dang
[11:53] <mornfall> Hobbsee: things like scrolling in it doesn't work either i assume?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> mornfall: not that i could see
[12:19] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, could you possibly try in some older version? like 1.91 would be ideal
[12:19] <mornfall> i am not sure how to get it
[12:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hmm?  how do i get it?
[12:20] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ept/1.91ubuntu4
[12:20] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:20] <mornfall> doesn't seem to have any binaries though
[12:21] <mornfall> oh
[12:21] <mornfall> https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/187538/adept
[12:21] <mornfall> Hobbsee: you can probably get that deb
[12:22] <Hobbsee> mornfall: gotcha
[12:23] <kwwii> anyone have any problems booting the live cd on ppc?
[12:23] <kwwii> it seems to b0rk on my radeon
[12:24] <Hobbsee> mornfall: bah, it's being stupid now. i shouldnt have killed the console in adept, i see...
[12:24] <mornfall> hmm?
[12:24] <Hobbsee> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. 
[12:24] <mornfall> ohwell :)
[12:24] <mornfall> ignore that
[12:25] <mornfall> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:25] <Hobbsee> ah,that's the one i was looking for
[12:27] <Hobbsee> mornfall: more horrid errors.
[12:28] <Hobbsee> mornfall: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com/753179
[12:28] <Hobbsee> same error as above in adept
[12:28] <mornfall> sudo dpkg --purge sun-java5-bin
[12:29] <mornfall> sudo dpkg --purge sun-java5-bin sun-java5-jre
[12:29] <mornfall> maybe :)
[12:29] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing sun-java5-bin (--purge):
[12:29] <Hobbsee>  Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
[12:29] <Hobbsee>  reinstall it before attempting a removal.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:29] <Hobbsee>  sun-java5-bin
[12:29] <mornfall> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java5-bin*deb
[12:29] <Hobbsee> same error, twice
[12:29] <mornfall> then --purge again
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yeah, was just about to try that :)
[12:32] <Hobbsee> mornfall: bleck.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> now i can see even less of the licence agreement...
[12:33] <Hobbsee> mornfall: want a screenie?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> mornfall: 143x32 pixel section of the konsole in adept, in the earlier adept
[12:38] <mornfall> Hobbsee: still can't hit enter?
[12:39] <mornfall> or anything else
[12:54] <Hobbsee> mornfall: still cant hit enter or anythign else, yes
[01:00] <Hobbsee> mornfall: did you reply to me at all?
[01:01] <pygi> how does this look like to you?
[01:01] <pygi> http://www.globaly.org/annant/login.png
[01:01] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, no he dident ..... *since your last sentance its been quiet in here*
[01:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: gotcha
[01:02] <imbrandon> pygi, looks good but whats it for ;0
[01:02] <pygi> imbrandon, Fama Instant Messenger :)
[01:03] <imbrandon> another im client , hehe
[01:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: why do you want to?  you can just disable it
[01:05] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i suspect i've fubar'd my system.
[01:07] <\sh> Riddell: xorg display config, setting up dual head on laptop doesn't work?
[01:08] <mornfall> Hobbsee: yes
[01:08] <mornfall> Hobbsee: i was asking if you still can't hit enter
[01:08] <mornfall> aha
[01:08] <mornfall> damnit :-)
[01:08] <mornfall> i'm a bit behind
[01:08] <mornfall> Hobbsee: the adept version you were running was the old one right?
[01:08] <mornfall> Hobbsee: what's wrong with your system?
[01:09] <pygi> imbrandon, it's not another im client
[01:09] <pygi> it's the best IM client
[01:09] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:09] <imbrandon> custom network or uses another network(s)
[01:09] <imbrandon> ?
[01:10] <pygi> Another network's
[01:10] <imbrandon> cool, make sure it has msn support atleaste and i'll try it ;)
[01:10] <pygi> you can already try one msn client I was workin' on (before)
[01:11] <pygi> ncurses interface tho :)
[01:11] <imbrandon> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2353  <-- if anyone feels like reviewing a pkg
[01:11] <imbrandon> ncurses msn ? cool
[01:11] <imbrandon> hehe
[01:11] <pygi> imbrandon, whats wrong with ncurses? :)
[01:11] <imbrandon> nothing at all, i was thinking that would be cool for my server
[01:12] <imbrandon> then i was like ummm i dont need msn on my server ;)
[01:13] <pygi> heh :)
[01:16] <pygi> imbrandon, whats this fubuntu-desktop all about?
[01:17] <imbrandon> an idea i havent put much time into, fluxbox based ubuntu
[01:25] <Hobbsee> mornfall: http://pastebin.com/753245
[01:26] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yes it was the old version
[01:26] <pygi> imbrandon, I am asking because I wrote a specification for it a long time ago
[01:26] <imbrandon> ahh pygi so did i, before i wrote it though i dident see yours in a search
[01:27] <pygi> imbrandon, that's because I erased it :)
[01:27] <imbrandon> ohh that would explain it
[01:27] <imbrandon> pygi, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/fubuntu-desktop
[01:28] <pygi> imbrandon, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/fubuntu
[01:28] <pygi> no specs :)
[01:29] <imbrandon> ahh yea, like i said havent put alot of time into it, been working on buntudot.org alot lately and related
[01:29] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:29] <pygi> o joy :)
[01:30] <imbrandon> feel free to fill in the wiki thougjh
[01:33] <Hobbsee> mornfall: oh good, maybe it fixed itself.
[01:52] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, i have to say it is not a regression in the beta/rc phase
[01:53] <mornfall> Hobbsee: which also means the bug was there for ages
[01:53] <mornfall> Hobbsee: which means it's not that bad
[01:53] <Hobbsee> mornfall: true, i'ts likely that no one tested it
[01:54] <mornfall> well, i can't possibly test everything
[01:54] <Hobbsee> mornfall: we dont expect you to :)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised the users didnt test it - maybe all that stuff is just copy pasted from the wiki - which uses command line, not adept
[01:55] <mornfall> well, i don't need people yelling at me in bug reports
[01:55] <mornfall> especially if it's a long-standing bug that noone noticed
[01:55] <mornfall> ffs
[01:58] <mornfall> ...
[02:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i dont think they were really trying to yell - just saying that "this is a big problem that hey, we havent noticed before"
[02:04] <mornfall> well a sentence all in caps is definitely the closest equivalent of yelling you can do in a written bugreport
[02:05] <mornfall> *and* the reporter doesn't even bother to find out that he is filing a duplicate of something already filed
[02:06] <mornfall> he's also being overly dramatic about the issue
[02:07] <mornfall> maybe i should start a page "how not to file a bug report"
[02:08] <mornfall> i just closed one rant (even with a big deal of overstatement it couldn't be called a bugreport) in redhat bugzilla :\
[02:08] <mornfall> it makes me sad
[02:20] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe.  i think the mozilla page actually has one - but they seem few and far between.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> there might have been a forum thread on it too, in the dapper section
[02:22] <mornfall> :-)
[02:29] <freeflying> Riddell: aorund?
[02:30] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[02:31] <freeflying> Riddell: have you ever set up buildd?
[02:31] <Riddell> nope
[02:32] <Hobbsee> heya Riddell 
[02:32] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what were we planning in regards to kopete 0.12 pacakges for dapper?
[02:32] <Riddell> I wasn't planning anything
[02:33] <Riddell> backports would seem like a good idea though
[02:33] <Riddell> or if you or tm_t want to make them I can put them on kubuntu.org
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gotcha, okay
[03:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: with those kopete packages - would that involve packaging up just kopete, or all of kdenetwork?
[03:55] <bddebian> Heya
[03:56] <kwwii> can someone tell me why on my ppc the keyboard I set during installation reflects my actual keyboard and why later in the desktop it does not
[03:57] <kwwii> or perhaps how I can change my resolution (it is doing a nasty 1024x768 which is blurry)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian 
[03:57] <bddebian> Heya Hobbsee
[03:57] <kwwii> tell me that I have to edit my xorg.conf per hand and I'll install something else
[04:01] <\sh> lol
[04:02] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:04] <\sh> I'm not here :) I'm installing 15k Euro servers
[04:11] <seaLne> even with FAI i'd say you're not going to be here for a while
[04:12] <bddebian> heh
[04:13] <\sh> seaLne: no one server costs 15k euro
[04:13] <seaLne> ah not 15k servers
[04:13] <\sh> seaLne: no not 15k servers, we will have just 1k of them.
[04:14] <\sh> seaLne: and yes I'm configuring FAI to do it properly :=
[04:17] <seaLne> my manager decided to revert back to golden images after problems with FAI and sarge when it was testing i quite liked my FAI setup :-/
[05:09] <abattoir> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-oem-installer
[05:09] <abattoir> sorry for not putting it up earlier... my internet connection has been lousy for the past few days :(
[05:10] <goldenear> Does sb here use QTdesigner/Kdesigner ?
[05:11] <imbrandon_zZz> night
[05:12] <imbrandon_zZz> goldenear, i use qt designer ( mostly 4 now but i still use 3 once in a while )
[05:12] <imbrandon_zZz> sup ?
[05:12] <goldenear> Do you know if it's possible to designe a side bar with it ?
[05:12] <goldenear> I mean a multitab side bar as in Konq or Kate
[05:12] <imbrandon_zZz> sidebar ? like a "kicker" type thing ?
[05:13] <imbrandon_zZz> ahh , sure
[05:13] <goldenear> what's the name of the widget for  that ?
[05:13] <imbrandon_zZz> or amarok etc
[05:13] <imbrandon_zZz> goldenear, its a combination of widigets i would assume
[05:14] <imbrandon_zZz> like the treeview / slider seperator etc
[05:14] <goldenear> (I'm using KdevDesigner 0.2, I don't know if it's the good version)
[05:14] <imbrandon_zZz> i dont thnik there is one "automagic" widget but i could be wrong, might ask Riddell or other kde dev
[05:15] <goldenear> ok thanks :)
[05:15] <goldenear> is v 0.2 OK or is it too old ?
[05:15] <imbrandon_zZz> i dont know i use pure qt designer 3 or qt designer 4 or kdevelop3
[05:15] <imbrandon_zZz> i've never seen kdevdesigner , let alone version 0.2 of it ;)
[05:16] <goldenear> ok
[05:16] <goldenear> I'll use QTdesigner v. 3.3.6 :)
[05:16] <imbrandon_zZz> sounds good, probbly better supported ;)
[05:17] <imbrandon_zZz> ok i'm off to sleep , gnight Hobbsee Riddell goldenear and ummm everyone
[05:17] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon_zZz 
[05:17] <goldenear> good night imbrandon_zZz :)
[05:18] <jeroenvrp> so I recreated my homedir
[05:18] <imbrandon_zZz> just thought about it, ummmm goldenear just download the kate or konq or amarok or all3 src and look ;)
[05:18] <jeroenvrp> but still the gam_server consumes a lot of cpu
[05:18] <imbrandon_zZz> ok i'm off ;)
[05:19] <jeroenvrp> 5714 jeroen    15   0  2872 1548  896 S 35.2  0.3  17:22.71 gam_server
[05:34] <MidMark> Riddell: sorry, kubuntu 6.06 wrong my lcd resolution, 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024 and I cannot change it without touching xorg.conf is there a bug report?
[05:35] <Riddell> we have many bug reports :)
[05:35] <Riddell> one more would be fine
[05:35] <bddebian> :-)
[05:35] <Riddell> have you tried the X display tool in system settings?
[05:36] <MidMark> yes, max is 102x768
[05:36] <MidMark> my lcd is a new acer AL1952 19"
[05:36] <MidMark> of course native res is 1280x1024
[05:37] <MidMark> Add another bug report?
[05:38] <bddebian> Sure.  Please make sure you add what type of display driver you are using if possible.  Thanks.
[05:38] <MidMark> yes, I have an nvidia 6600gt I think nv or nvidia if installed, but don't check yet
[05:45] <MidMark> and is it normal that italian language were not installed with dvd version?
[05:46] <abattoir> Riddell: should i show kamion the spec too?
[05:50] <Riddell> abattoir: where is it?
[05:50] <abattoir> uh, i gave you a link ;)
[05:50] <abattoir> must have missed it
[05:50] <abattoir> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-oem-installer
[05:51] <abattoir> btw, congratulations on dapper :)
[05:51] <abattoir> hmm, it would be unfair if i didnt congratulate everyone :P 
[05:53] <MidMark> bddebian: which package is affected by the resolution lcd bug? hw-detect?
[05:53] <goldenear> abattoir: could you help me about QTdesigner3 ?
[05:53] <abattoir> goldenear: gladly, if i can :) 
[05:53] <abattoir> if you mean about the sidebar, no :( 
[05:54] <goldenear> :(
[05:54] <goldenear> I can't find a way to do it...
[05:54] <abattoir> goldenear: maybe you can look at some sources
[05:54] <goldenear> no tutorial on the net for that
[05:54] <abattoir> of kate or of some other simpler program that does that
[05:55] <goldenear> abattoir: I'm not a programmer... I just would like to design a simple .ui file to give to a programmer
[05:55] <abattoir> goldenear: oh...
[05:56] <abattoir> brb
[06:01] <MidMark> Guys: who wrote the xorg.conf file during installation? I have to bugreport for my wrong detection of resolution in my lcd...
[06:09] <Riddell> anyone with an amd64 around and able to test openoffice?
[06:09] <kmon> me
[06:09] <kmon> 2 amd64 in fact
[06:09] <kmon> what do you want me to test?
[06:09] <Riddell> kmon: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooo-amd64/ you'd need to recompile qt with those sources
[06:09] <Riddell> and install that http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooo-amd64/
[06:09] <nixternal> kmon: can i have one..you 2...that is more then enough ;)
[06:10] <kmon> recompile?
[06:10] <Riddell> yes
[06:10] <kmon> I'll need some guidance
[06:10] <Riddell> apt-get source qt-x11-free
[06:10] <Riddell> mkdir new
[06:10] <Riddell> cp *orig* new
[06:10] <Riddell> cd new
[06:11] <Riddell> wget the .diff and .dsc from the url above
[06:11] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep qt-x11-free
[06:11] <Riddell> dpkg-source -x *dsc
[06:11] <Riddell> cd qt-x11-free-<tab>
[06:11] <Riddell> debuild
[06:11] <Riddell> coffee
[06:11] <Riddell> cd ..
[06:11] <Riddell> dpkg --install *deb
[06:11] <Riddell> then dpkg --install the ia32 .deb
[06:11] <Riddell> install openoffice.org-kde
[06:11] <Riddell> fire up openoffice and see if file open dialogue works
[06:11] <Riddell> and if it uses KDE widgets
[06:12] <Hobbsee> night all...
[06:12] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: night
[06:12] <nixternal> nite Hobbsee
[06:12] <Hobbsee> well, more like mornign all, but anyway...
[06:14] <kmon> apt-source says there's no source for qt-x11-free only qt-x11-free-dbg
[06:14] <kmon> do I install that?
[06:15] <bddebian> apt-cache showsrc qt-x11-free works for me
[06:16] <jpatrick> yep
[06:16] <kmon> there's nothing here...
[06:17] <jpatrick> you have the deb-src's enabled?
[06:17] <kmon> arg, 
[06:17] <kmon> I had one line commented
[06:17] <kmon> hehe
[06:17] <bddebian> Whoops :-)
[06:17] <jpatrick> ownage I say
[06:18] <kmon> downloading...
[06:20] <abattoir> Riddell: is the spec fine? or should i modify it in some way?
[06:23] <kmon> downloading build-deps
[06:23] <kmon> does aptitude have a build-dep command?
[06:23] <kmon> I'm using apt-get
[06:24] <kmon> but I would like to remove this after creating the package
[06:24] <kmon> to keep the system clean
[06:25] <kmon> debbuild is in package.... ?
[06:28] <kmon> devscripts
[06:29] <kmon> I'm in the coffe part
[06:29] <kmon> hehe
[06:39] <jpatrick> bash: coffee: command not found
[06:39] <kmon> hehe
[06:43] <Tonio_> hey
[06:43] <jpatrick> Tonio_: hey
[06:43] <Tonio_> hi jpatrick
[06:44] <robotgeek> hey Tonio_ , long time
[06:44] <Tonio_> robotgeek: yup :)
[06:47] <kmon> found an error on signing the deb
[06:49] <kmon> downloading the ia32 deb
[06:52] <kmon> ok
[06:52] <kmon> done...
[06:52] <kmon> let's see
[06:52] <DaSkreech> So aiglx is on for Edgy?
[06:52] <kmon> Riddell: didn't work
[06:52] <kmon> openoffice is not using kde widgets
[06:53] <kmon> in fact
[06:53] <kmon> open doesn't work
[06:53] <kmon> :/
[06:54] <DShepherd> has anyone gotten xgl or aiglx to work with kde?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> I've seen two people have it working
[06:54] <DShepherd> where?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> In #ubuntu-xgl
[06:57] <DShepherd> k
[06:58] <DaSkreech> I think it's doable 
[06:59] <DaSkreech> DOn't know if it's acceptable though
[07:00] <Tonio-troll> kmon: koffice PAWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!
[07:00] <Tonio_> DShepherd: is doesn't work natively
[07:00] <Tonio_> compiz-kde is simply broken at this stage....
[07:00] <kmon> Tonio_: I was trying the lastest patch by doko
[07:01] <kmon> but doesn't solve the issue
[07:01] <kmon> or I've done something wrong....
[07:01] <kmon> but I don't think so
[07:01] <Tonio_> DShepherd: and plzzzzzzzz stop talking about xgl, it is compiz ;)
[07:01] <DaSkreech> I want to know about XGL
[07:01] <kmon> Riddell instructions are crystal clear
[07:01] <Tonio_> xgl is a backend, an X server, totally independant from the desktop environnement
[07:01] <DaSkreech> are we going to have both XGL and Aiglx in Edgy?
[07:01] <Tonio_> the 3D component including effects is compiz ;)
[07:02] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: we already have them in the repos
[07:02] <DaSkreech> Right
[07:02] <DaSkreech> I know that
[07:02] <DaSkreech> But we can't ship edgy with them both installed
[07:02] <Tonio_> but compiz is uncompatible with kde unless you install some gnome components, and even like that it is still bugging
[07:03] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the solution is probably aiglx since is will be easier to implement that xgl, but concerning compiz, unless someone fixes compiz-kde, we will not be able to provide it with edgy....
[07:03] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: so Would the Kubuntu team be tackling port it to KDE?
[07:03] <imbrandon_zZz> the suse kde team more likely thats upstream stuff 
[07:03] <DaSkreech> I was of the opinion that you could merge the code from compiz and compiz-kde into kwin
[07:03] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: zack rusin failed to make it work, and this guy is the second best kde coder probably....
[07:04] <DaSkreech> :-(
[07:04] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: that's not an easy job and I don't think any of kubuntu developper can do that actually
[07:04] <DaSkreech> Bounties perhaps?
[07:04] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: maybe ;)
[07:04] <DaSkreech> ok I was just wondering if that was a possibilty
[07:04] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: everything is possible, but only *very* good coders can think about porting this...
[07:05] <Tonio_> zack is actually working full time on xegl and kde, and is the second most important dev for kde4
[07:05] <imbrandon_zZz> DaSkreech, setup a bounty and post a forum note about it, if it gets high enough then the right coder will pick it up
[07:05] <toma> Tonio_: second best?
[07:05] <Tonio_> and he failed.....
[07:05] <robotgeek> i'm more excited about opensync and akonadi
[07:05] <Tonio_> toma: I wanted to say "most important"
[07:05] <Tonio_> not "best"
[07:05] <toma> Tonio_: if zack can't do it, forget it.
[07:06] <Tonio_> toma: or maybe you prefer "one of most important and best coders in the kde workd ?" ;)
[07:06] <DaSkreech> well maybe he needs to move closer to source?
[07:06] <Tonio_> toma: well I don't know if he can't or if he simply doesn't have time for this ;)
[07:06] <DaSkreech> so that the intial compiz devs can take KDE or FD into consideration?
[07:06] <Tonio_> toma: who is the same level than zack in the kde worl except aaron ?
[07:06] <toma> Tonio_: i dont know either. I'm not sure about 'important', but he surely can hack.
[07:07] <kmon> ok, I have to leave now
[07:08] <Tonio_> ++ kmon ;)
[07:08] <kmon> can someone tell riddell the patch didn't work here?
[07:08] <toma> Tonio_: i'm not sure if we should be comparing people, but there are some very intelligent people working at Trolltech, which are important.
[07:08] <Tonio_> kmon: whic one ?
[07:08] <kmon> this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooo-amd64/
[07:08] <kmon> ooo is broken in amd64
[07:09] <Tonio_> toma: sure ;) so let's just say zack is a killer coder and if he failed, there are probably no chances to see compiz working natively before kde4 ;)
[07:09] <kmon> poor amd64 users will have to stay with koffice ;)
[07:09] <Tonio_> kmon: will say to Riddell yes ;)
[07:09] <toma> Tonio_: i agree
[07:09] <kmon> thanks Tonio_
[07:10] <kmon> now I have to see how to get everything back to normal
[07:10] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: compiz is initially developped by novell that support suse
[07:10] <Tonio_> even is compiz-kde is working, it will keep based on gconf for configuration...
[07:10] <Tonio_> novell that supports "gnome" sorry :)
[07:11] <Tonio_> kmon: amd64 users will have the chance to be invited to use the marvellous koffice :)
[07:11] <kmon> hehe
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: Well didn't they pay for food at the KDE multimedia conference?
[07:11] <kmon> oh
[07:12] <kmon> not really
[07:12] <kmon> krita 1.5.1 is broken
[07:12] <kmon> in amd64
[07:12] <Tonio_> kmon: argh......
[07:12] <toma> Tonio_: do you know if anyone is working on the cups problems?
[07:12] <kmon> krita: error while loading shared libraries: libkio.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:12] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: dunno... We will discuss this with kde people at paris meetings, since 3D desktops will be one of the priorities for edgy
[07:12] <kmon> bye
[07:13] <Tonio_> seya kmon
[07:13] <toma> bye
[07:13] <Tonio_> toma: will you be there ?
[07:13] <toma> Tonio_: i've made no plans in that direction.
[07:14] <kmon> oh
[07:14] <kmon> mdz has just announced news about edgy
[07:14] <kmon> :)
[07:14] <Tonio_> kmon: url or ml ?
[07:14] <kmon> ml
[07:14] <Tonio_> kmon: k
[07:14] <kmon> ubuntu-devel-announce
[07:15] <DaSkreech> When is Paris?
[07:15] <toma> Tonio_: do you know if anyone is working on the cups problems?
[07:16] <kmon> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-June/000144.html
[07:16] <kmon> DaSkreech: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSummitParis
[07:16] <Tonio_> toma: which issue ?
[07:16] <kmon> and now... let's see if I can leave this channel
[07:16] <Tonio_> toma: if it is a cups issue, probably pitty is working on it as long as he is aware of
[07:17] <Tonio_> kmon: go !!!!!!!!!!
[07:17] <toma> Tonio_: bug 42802 for example
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42802 in cupsys "client 1.2.0 to 1.1.2x server over IPP: network printing regression" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42802
[07:18] <toma> Tonio_: it seems impossible to print atm to a network printer within kubuntu
[07:18] <toma> Tonio_: which is pretty serious imho
[07:18] <DaSkreech> This isn't going to be fun is it?
[07:19] <Tonio_> toma: same issue with ubuntu or not ?
[07:19] <Tonio_> kde 3.5.3 is said to be compatible with cups 1.2
[07:19] <Tonio_> I unfortunately can't test here
[07:19] <toma> Tonio_: i couldn't print my invoices this month. See also planetkde.org for more public br's. 
[07:19] <Tonio_> I know kde 3.5.2 in kubuntu has been eveilly patched to work with cups 1.2
[07:20] <toma> Tonio_: ubuntu can print, that's what i used for my invoices this month ;-)
[07:20] <Tonio_> toma: tried with kde 3.5.3 ?
[07:20] <toma> no
[07:20] <Tonio_> toma: in that case that's a kdeprint issue, not a cups one
[07:20] <Tonio_> toma: if you have the possibility to do it can you test ?
[07:21] <Tonio_> toma: and give a bit of informations concerning the kind of printing eventually ? (http, lpr, tcp/ip...)
[07:21] <Tonio_> that might help too ;)
[07:21] <toma> Tonio_: `cupsdoprint` cli gives the error, so i assumed it is cups, but that does not explain kubuntu/ubuntu difference. I will update soon to test.
[07:21] <Tonio_> what works and what fails
[07:21] <DaSkreech> It's a veryshort time period before 6:10 is released
[07:22] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: that's why edgy will go in an experimental way
[07:22] <toma> Tonio_: ok, i will try to bypass the server and print directly to the printer as well. thanks for the tips.
[07:23] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: no issues if it isn't as stable as dapper, since it'll be a bridge too edgy+1 more than a rocking solid distro
[07:23] <Tonio_> toma: ho yes, I forgot this :)
[07:23] <DaSkreech> I know like warty
[07:23] <Tonio_> could be samba share too ;)
[07:25] <Flosoft> hey @ all
[07:26] <DShepherd> hey
[07:37] <abattoir> Riddell: are my messages reaching you?
[07:37] <abattoir> or am i disturbing you when you're busy? :) 
[07:41] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Yo
[07:44] <DaSkreech> So what about Xen?
[07:45] <DaSkreech> Thats the other thing I'm going to be jittery about
[07:46] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/suse-10.1.png
[07:49] <Flosoft> wow ... I had a bit more than 10TerraBytes Downloaded from my Servers
[07:49] <toma> cool!
[07:50] <Flosoft> no not cool @ all ... very hot ... all my mirrors are currently overloaded
[07:50] <Flosoft> I took the page down for a few hours to let the downloads that are currently busy finish
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Torrent?
[07:52] <Flosoft> I got the files via torrent ... but no ... I serve direct high-speed downloads
[07:52] <Flosoft> HTTP
[08:00] <Flosoft> what are the new features in KDE 3.5.3?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> 800 bug fixes
[08:02] <Flosoft> any major differences?
[08:04] <marseillai> start time improvment
[08:04] <toma> Flosoft: startup speed is reduced
[08:04] <Flosoft> ok
[08:04] <toma> hmm.. improved
[08:06] <marseillai> frenchi! ;)
[08:07] <marseillai> but thanks for correction! ;)
[08:17] <Riddell> abattoir: hi, appologies
[08:17] <Riddell> abattoir: I'm not seeing any /msg from you
[08:18] <abattoir> Riddell: no need for apologies :) , i did not mean PMs, meant the messages here.
[08:19] <Riddell> abattoir: spec looks good
[08:19] <Riddell> abattoir: I'd add something about adstracting for frontend where possible
[08:20] <Riddell> abattoir: and your user interface mockups look overly styalised, I'd get a usability person to review that
[08:20] <Riddell> abattoir: and do show it to kamion
[08:20] <abattoir> Riddell: you mean a common code base which is then extended by a GTK/QT interface?
[08:20] <Riddell> abattoir: yes
[08:20] <Riddell> s/adstracting/abstracting/
[08:21] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, will show to Kamion on #ubuntu-devel...
[08:21] <abattoir> and wrt usability, who do you have in mind?
[08:21] <abattoir> or is there a (k)ubuntu usability team?
[08:21] <Riddell> mdy is canonical's usability person
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Riddell: When you have a moment :)
[08:21] <Riddell> DaSkreech: sure
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Just wanted to find out about edgy
[08:22] <Riddell> what about it?
[08:22] <abattoir> Riddell: mdy or mdz, if its mdy, he/she doesnt seem to be online now.
[08:22] <Riddell> mdy
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Aiglx vs XGL, compix vs KDE and Xen vs Not shipping
[08:22] <abattoir> aah, ok, i'll be on the lookout. :)
[08:22] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/mdy
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Who wins in those fights? :)
[08:22] <DaSkreech> zompiz
[08:22] <DaSkreech> compiz ;-(
[08:22] <Riddell> DaSkreech: if we can find someone to port compiz to KDE that would be great
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Well Tonio_ was saying zack is on it nad not having progress
[08:23] <DaSkreech> so would Kubuntu throw more people at it or more bridges?
[08:24] <Riddell> zack doesn't want to do KDE 3 stuff
[08:24] <DaSkreech> cause there is http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/suse-10.1.png but that probably doesn't count for much
[08:24] <Riddell> if there's someone who could do it then it could be bountied
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Well I think the Window manger doesn't really count as KDE3 vs 4 does it?
[08:24] <Riddell> yes
[08:25] <Riddell> abattoir: stick a column at the end of the table on http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuSummerOfCode2006 and put your spec in it
[08:25] <DaSkreech> ah and KDE4 is outside of this release schedule 
[08:25] <abattoir> Riddell: ok
[08:26] <Riddell> abattoir: and a rough timetable for implementing it on the spec would be nice
[08:26] <Riddell> DaSkreech: very much so
[08:26] <abattoir> Riddell: I'll do that and then run the link by Kamion.
[08:27] <DaSkreech> So might it be better to focus on making sure that the next release is compized?
[08:27] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it would indeed, the trouble is finding someone capable of doing it
[08:27] <Riddell> I'm told it wouldn't be too difficult, but I don't believe that
[08:27] <DaSkreech> me either
[08:27] <DaSkreech> So Xen shuld be shipping with 6.10?
[08:28] <Riddell> could well do
[08:28] <jpatrick> anyone have videos working in KMPlayer?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Koolness :)
[08:28] <Flosoft> what is XEN?
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Hypervisor
[08:28] <DaSkreech> Like a supremely fast xnest
[08:28] <Flosoft> jpatrick: No, I use kaffeine, although it has ben crashing alot on my PC
[08:29] <DaSkreech> With bling
[08:29] <Flosoft> ah
[08:29] <jpatrick> Flosoft: sounds works, no video tho
[08:30] <Flosoft> hmm codec missing?
[08:30] <jpatrick> It worked before...
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Riddell: anything else I should be getting excited about in Edgy?
[08:34] <DaSkreech>  it's a very short release cycle
[08:35] <Flosoft> DaSkreech: Is Edgy the next Kubuntu Version?
[08:36] <jpatrick> Flosoft: yes
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Yep
[08:36] <DaSkreech>  then fuzzy flamingo :)
[08:36] <Flosoft> ah
[08:36] <Flosoft> Edgy: 6.10 ?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Disclaimer I made that last one up :)
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Yeah edgy is 6.10
[08:37] <Flosoft> well ... I think I'll wait a bit until updating to edgy ;)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Smart!
[08:45] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: you a kubuntu developer? 
[08:46] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: possibly?
[08:46] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: kool!
[08:46] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: i cant seem to get to that link that
[08:46] <DShepherd> you sent me
[08:46] <DaSkreech> I posted?
[08:46] <DaSkreech> http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/suse-10.1.png
[08:46] <DaSkreech> That one?
[08:47] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: have you tried it?
[08:47] <DaSkreech> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060529
[08:47] <DaSkreech> I've been there so maybe it works for me
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Direct links may be not allowed
[08:48] <DaSkreech> about 1/2 way down the page
[08:48] <DaSkreech>  3-d with KDe working out of the box with Suse
[08:49] <Riddell> DaSkreech: whatever your imagination comes up with
[08:49] <Flosoft> ah ... how do I do 3D Desktop switching?
[08:49] <Flosoft> I saw that on youtube
[08:50] <Flosoft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twvirz-Ihtk
[08:51] <jpatrick> hmm, Flash powered
[08:51] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: found it
[08:52] <DaSkreech> there you go
[08:55] <Flosoft> can someone tell me how to do that on kubuntu?
[09:06] <Flosoft> there still seems to be the bug with K3B which only runs with KDESU
[09:06] <Flosoft> why can't this be fixed one day?
[09:06] <Flosoft> it is really annoying
[09:08] <jpatrick> Flosoft: DIY
[09:08] <MidMark> hi to all
[09:09] <Flosoft> DIY?
[09:09] <MidMark> there are two serious bugs in dapper that have to be mentioned in knownproblems for me
[09:09] <jpatrick> Flosoft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIY
[09:10] <Flosoft> ah ;)
[09:10] <MidMark> bug #39483
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39483 in debian-installer "Kubuntu 6.06 final dvd doesn't install italian language for kde and other packages" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/39483
[09:10] <MidMark> and bug #48098
[09:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48098 in ept "Kubuntu 6.06 dvd final doesn't fetch dvd's packages" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/48098
[09:12] <MidMark> who maintains https://wiki.kubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[09:12] <jpatrick> kmon I think
[09:13] <toma> MidMark: i would guess that is a wiki page
[09:14] <jpatrick> ...
[09:15] <MidMark> toma: I know, but don't know if I need permission to edit it
[09:18] <MidMark> toma: if I can of course I can add myself
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Try #ubuntu=xgl
[09:21] <DaSkreech> Flosoft: Try #ubuntu-xgl
[09:21] <Flosoft> ok
[09:33] <Riddell> hello mndo 
[09:33] <Riddell> mndo: have you written a spec?
[09:57] <Riddell> oh foo
[09:57] <bddebian> bar
[10:08] <Riddell> MidMark: I do
[10:09] <dickhall_> baz
[10:10] <Riddell> bzr!
[10:11] <MidMark> Riddell: ok thanx, it's a pitty for these bugs, dapper is great, but these aren't user-friendly...
[10:11] <bddebian> quux
[10:11] <MidMark> Riddell: you modify or I have to do myself? Cannot understand
[10:13] <Riddell> MidMark: 48098 is an issue with whatever installer you used, that's what sets up the default sources.list
[10:14] <Riddell> if you have an internet connection it probably won't add the disk on purpose
[10:14] <Riddell> 39483, come to think of it I'm not sure if d-i installs language packs
[10:15] <MidMark> Riddell: yes but in adept remove cd is very simple but add it is impossible without knowing the exact name
[10:15] <MidMark> that is not user friendly for people who doesn't have adsl or internet at all
[10:15] <Riddell> ah, so the bug should be titled something like "adept needs apt-cdrom function"
[10:16] <Riddell> however it's a wishlist feature, not a bug (you're right it's not very user friendly)
[10:16] <MidMark> Riddell: if it was intended to not include cd then yes, but it is highly risk this, adept is too non-friendly for now
[10:17] <Riddell> 39483, wait for Colin to get back on that bug
[10:17] <MidMark> Riddell: I'm writing a review like I said, my plan is to NOT use konsole also for fixing problems
[10:17] <MidMark> Riddell: this is still not possible for every things
[10:18] <MidMark> Riddell: my plan is to try linux as newbie user, I'm writing for an italian web-site, but I don't want to be boring :)
[10:19] <Riddell> MidMark: that would be an interesting list, you should make a wiki page called KubuntuThingsThatStillNeedCommandLine or something
[10:19] <Riddell> and we'll look at it in Paris
[10:20] <Riddell> someone like me just reverts all too easily to the command line without thinking how bad that is for users
[10:20] <MidMark> Riddell: nice! I'll do it
[10:20] <MidMark> Riddell: yes, I like command line too, but users that see linux hate it!
[10:21] <MidMark> Riddell: I mean "normal" users
[10:21] <Riddell> yep
[10:22] <MidMark> Riddell: to become a kubuntu member I have to do somethings usefull I have read isn't?
[10:22] <Riddell> link to your page from KubuntuFutureIdeas
[10:22] <Riddell> MidMark: any significant and sustained contribution
[10:22] <mornfall> err
[10:22] <mornfall> it's not a bug
[10:22] <mornfall> more like a missing feature
[10:22] <mornfall> re adept
[10:23] <mornfall> well, the sources.list editor as a whole is fairly suboptimal
[10:23] <mornfall> that's a known issue
[10:23] <Riddell> "it's a wishlist feature, not a bug" :)
[10:23] <MidMark> mornfall: probably you have right, but in breezy dvd source was present so I have thought about a bug
[10:23] <MidMark> understood?
[10:24] <mornfall> yeah, but the dvd source thing is, as Riddell says, an installer decision
[10:24] <mornfall> nothing adept can do something about, unless it has the mentioned feature
[10:24] <MidMark> mornfall: sorry I don't know which package install or do something... sometimes I ask and sometimes none respond :-P
[10:24] <MidMark> which package is?
[10:25] <MidMark> debian-installer?
[10:25] <mornfall> no idea really... but i think you assume that cd/dvd is never included which is probably wrong
[10:25] <kwwii> erm, what do I have to install to listen to my mp3 files?
[10:25] <robotgeek> kwwii, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:25] <mornfall> as in, d-i/ubiquity should be both smart enough to use dvd/cd as sources.list item when you don't have internet
[10:25] <Riddell> kwwii: kubuntu.org/faq.php
[10:26] <kwwii> cool, thanks
[10:26] <MidMark> mornfall: I had no internet, so I can change to ubiquity :-P
[10:26] <MidMark> Riddell: is it yours :-P
[10:26] <Riddell> mornfall: does adept_batch have a way to update sources?
[10:26] <robotgeek> kwwii: answer is also in Desktop Guide 
[10:27] <kwwii> now why in the hell would I rtfm?
[10:27] <kwwii> :-)
[10:27] <mornfall> Riddell: don't think
[10:27] <\sh> re
[10:27] <\sh> and good evening
[10:28] <mornfall> Riddell: no, only install and remove implemented
[10:28] <robotgeek> Riddell: hmm, all our work in vain :P
[10:28] <pygi> hey kwwii ;)
[10:28] <kwwii> howdy pygi
[10:28] <mornfall> Riddell: it's next to trivial to add apt-get update functionality if that's what you mean
[10:29] <mornfall> to implement "add something to sources.list" that's probably less trivial
[10:29] <pygi> kwwii, whats your opinion on this? :)
[10:29] <pygi> http://img77.imageshack.us/my.php?image=logo35cl.png
[10:29] <kwwii> pygi: I like it, very nifty
[10:30] <MidMark> mornfall: perfect to see in edgy, nice work however, adept 2.0 is better than 1.0
[10:30] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Gone
[10:30] <DaSkreech> hi mornfall
[10:30] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: lata
[10:30] <Riddell> kwwii: your kubuntu announce image was great, thanks
[10:30] <kwwii> pygi: add a shadow and it would be pefect
[10:30] <Riddell> kwwii: back from portugal?
[10:30] <kwwii> Riddell: glad to be of help :-)
[10:31] <pygi> kwwii, ah,ok, thanks for opinion :)
[10:31] <Riddell> mornfall: I'm thinking of the amarok 1.4.1 feature for a .desktop file to include a command for installing mp3 support, but it can quite easily be scripted if adept_batch doesn't include it
[10:33] <mornfall> Riddell: well, adding to sources.list is easier done with some sort of script, extending adept_batch to handle update should be fairly easy
[10:33] <mornfall> Riddell: it shouldn't need new strings or anything either
[10:33] <\sh> oh mp3 support, one of my favorits today
[10:33] <\sh> 20 times and more: "Kubuntu doesn't play my mp3 file"...
[10:34] <DaSkreech> mornfall: You are changing the way adept does sources? :-( I Like the current layout
[10:34] <DaSkreech>  The overlay of the actual sources.list is neat ++ educational
[10:34] <mornfall> DaSkreech: right now? no... for the future, definitely, many people complain about it
[10:34] <DaSkreech> My only head banger for adept curretly is changelog :-(
[10:34] <mornfall> DaSkreech: i will possibly retain an improved version of current one as an "advanced mode"
[10:35] <DaSkreech> :-) Great that would be cool
[10:35] <mornfall> yeah, well, it's not easy (tm)
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Riddell: will Ubuntu be moving to pdiff on the servers?
[10:35] <mornfall> wrt changelog
[10:35] <\sh> DaSkreech: wanna have my archive of dapper-changes? ,)
[10:35] <DaSkreech> Really?
[10:35] <DaSkreech> \sh: Sure
[10:35] <Riddell> DaSkreech: no idea
[10:36] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Ok
[10:36] <kwwii> funny that everyone says "poeple just want free software" when they really just want to do what they want with their software, whether it is free or not
[10:36] <mornfall> Riddell: probably depends on the smart/apt decision, i don't think smart currently does pdiff
[10:36] <DaSkreech> mornfall: is there a writeup on what's involved?
[10:36] <\sh> kwwii: depends on the meaning of "free"
[10:36] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Well it depends on what you mean by free
[10:36] <kwwii> hehe
[10:36] <DaSkreech> dang it :-(
[10:36] <kwwii> yeah
[10:36] <\sh> sorry
[10:37] <pygi> mornfall, smart is just bad :P
[10:37] <\sh> too tired to be slow
[10:37] <mornfall> DaSkreech: yes, "give me a reliable way to get changelogs without getting the debs" (as in, mail me the url that i can rely on to provide changelogs for ubuntu and debian releases)
[10:37] <DaSkreech> ah 
[10:37] <DaSkreech> I think I read something on that about three weeks back
[10:37] <Riddell> mornfall: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Now to see if I can find out where it was 
[10:37] <DaSkreech> Or we could use that :)
[10:38] <mornfall> Riddell: if it's the thing i was testing before dapper freeze to see if i can have changelogs, i think it didn't quite work
[10:39] <pygi> kwwii, how's oxygen coming along? :)
[10:39] <mornfall> seems to be better now
[10:39] <mornfall> or maybe it was packages.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <kwwii> pygi: great! we put it in kde svn and several people have already stepped up to help :-)
[10:39] <Riddell> kwwii: ooh?
[10:39] <pygi> kwwii, well, great :) You want mail of that one that wanna help? I saw he hasnt put it in references
[10:40] <Riddell> kwwii: website not updated?
[10:40] <kwwii> Riddell: david is working on it, should be done sometime in the next few days
[10:41] <kwwii> pygi: yes. please
[10:41] <pygi> kwwii, "Josip Lisec" <josiplisec@gmail.com>, 
[10:42] <Riddell> kwwii: does it use the kde 3 icon names or the freedesktop icon names?
[10:42] <kwwii> \sh: that sounds like a panel applet to me
[10:42] <kwwii> Riddell: until now kde3 names but once we have a way of testing the freedesktop stuff we will change it
[10:42] <\sh> kwwii: sure..but it needs a kwwiish red oxygen style graphical user interface..
[10:43] <kwwii> when I click on "administrator mode" in system settings it doesn't show a popup and it does not show the interface, it that a known bug?
[10:43] <\sh> kwwii: what part of system settings?
[10:43] <DaSkreech> mornfall: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool.x/main/libt/libtunepimp/libtunepimp_0.3.0-2ubuntu4/changelog
[10:44] <DaSkreech> Seems straight forward enough
[10:44] <kwwii> \sh: several of them, sharing just now, and the monitor earlier
[10:44] <mornfall> yeah, but i either didn't know or it didn't work before the freeze
[10:44] <mornfall> it's not like i didn't ask :p
[10:44] <\sh> kwwii:monitor? you mean display? yes, there are some glitches, I can confirm
[10:44] <kwwii> yeah, display
[10:45] <DaSkreech> mornfall: I know :)
[10:45] <\sh> I installed today, during my free time, 5 ibm t43 laptops via kubuntu-desktop cd
[10:45] <DaSkreech> Is there a page where I can follow adept?
[10:45] <kwwii> I want to add a samba share and it won't let me :-(
[10:45] <mornfall> DaSkreech: what do you mean?
[10:45] <\sh> kwwii: samba installed?
[10:46] <DaSkreech> updates .. 
[10:46] <mornfall> DaSkreech: the closest you get to a homepage is http://web.mornfall.net/adept.html
[10:46] <kwwii> \sh: yepp
[10:46] <mornfall> DaSkreech: it has an svn url for development branch
[10:46] <DaSkreech> essentially a changelog for adept
[10:46] <kwwii> it seems to be a problem with the sudo stuff, not the module itself
[10:46] <mornfall> well, not quite
[10:46] <\sh> kwwii: it's totally disabled
[10:46] <\sh> after admin mode
[10:46] <kwwii> somehow I got the display stuff to work earlier, not sure how
[10:46] <kwwii> what?
[10:46] <kwwii> why?
[10:47] <mornfall> DaSkreech: the only "changelog" is debian/changelog and svn commit messages
[10:47] <mornfall> DaSkreech: debian/changelogs only happens every release
[10:47] <kwwii> so there is no samba sharing?
[10:47] <mornfall> -s
[10:47] <DaSkreech> :-)
[10:47] <\sh> kwwii: dunno...admin mode, popup, password, inside UI comes up, but greyed out
[10:48] <kwwii> mine does not even show a UI, just a red box and inside plain grey
[10:48] <kwwii> and the adept-updater doesn't work half the time either
[10:48] <DaSkreech> If the changelog patch goes in would it get updated in the repos? I'm still not sure how frozen a release is once it comes out
[10:48] <kwwii> I should be a proffesional bug-tester
[10:48] <kwwii> I know how to find them
[10:48] <\sh> kwwii: support sflaw ;)
[10:49] <\sh> kwwii: and get kurt as well
[10:50] <\sh> and  tries not to investigate why hibernate is not working in kernel -23 anymore
[10:55] <Flosoft> good news: primary mirror servers are back up ;)
[10:56] <Flosoft> Current Upload Speed: 48,1MBit/s
[11:00] <DaSkreech> :-)
[11:02] <pygi> Flosoft, nice ;)
[11:06] <Flosoft> 50,8Mbyte/s
[11:09] <MidMark> Riddell: the funny thing is I was affected by the language bug (no italian) and with no dvd dource (other bug) I cannot even install italian language from adept, that is funny.
[11:09] <MidMark> Riddell: of course I can use Konsole and manual installation or internet, but I trying to not do it :)
[11:10] <DaSkreech> Does anyone know what the landspace-client is?
[11:12] <pygi> kwwii_inkscape, still around? :)
[11:12] <pygi> o, yes, inkscape, sorry :)
[11:13] <pygi> when you have time: http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/9164/logo47ln.png
[11:13] <Flosoft> 54,3Mbyte/s
[11:13] <kwwii_inkscape> pygi: much nicer!
[11:14] <pygi> kwwii_inkscape, :)
[11:18] <DaSkreech> Woah
[11:18] <DaSkreech> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2064
[11:18] <MidMark> Riddell: I have a webcam and a soundcard, the default is webcam only because "Camera" is before "CA0106" alphabetically, so I cannot hear nothing... is it a bug? What can I do?
[11:19] <\sh> ok going to bed..good night
[11:19] <Riddell> MidMark: default what?
[11:21] <DaSkreech> Kurt's kinda mad at Kubuntu
[11:22] <Riddell> the problem though is mostly with CUPS
[11:23] <Riddell> somebody had to be the first to ship with CUPS 1.2
[11:23] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[11:23] <MidMark> Riddell: sorry I have problems with kscd
[11:23] <DaSkreech> You'd think that someone would have tried to sort out printing on LInux by now
[11:23] <kwwii_inkscape> what I don't get is why this is called long term support when it is more like long term feature regression
[11:24] <Riddell> kwwii_inkscape: what's regressed?
[11:25] <kwwii_inkscape> well, the printing does not work as well, and breezy worked much better on my machines
[11:25] <kwwii_inkscape> I am spending time editing xorg.conf per hand, not too much fun for a desktop
[11:26] <kwwii_inkscape> amarok will not keep my collection
[11:26] <kwwii_inkscape> I have to click that damn button every time I start it and wait
[11:26] <kwwii_inkscape> the updater starts about 10% of the time I click on it
[11:27] <kwwii_inkscape> afgter running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg my machine hangs after booting
[11:27] <MidMark> funny: kscd don't play cd (no sound), kaffeine is ok
[11:27] <kwwii_inkscape> the gain on my speaker is per defualt set to white noise level
[11:28] <OdyX> kwwii_inkscape: mine too...
[11:32] <Riddell> printing is the change to CUPS 1.2, I've not heard of amarok not keeping collections, xorg I don't know, updater talk to mornfall although that could be due to your problems with kdesu which I've also not had other reports of, speaker gain is probably related to ppc sound being broken and never 100% fixed
[11:32] <Riddell> I see that oxygen still has blue folders :)
[11:33] <DaSkreech> Of course :)
[11:33] <DaSkreech> It can be any colour as long as it is blue :-)
[11:36] <MidMark> I don't like oxygen too much, they are not revolutionary
[11:36] <kwwii_inkscape> MidMark: in comparison to what?
[11:37] <kwwii_inkscape> Riddell: actually we have other colors but we did not want to piss anyone off right away :-)
[11:37] <MidMark> kwwii: in comparison to kubuntu for example
[11:37] <Riddell> ?  kubuntu uses the default KDE icons
[11:38] <MidMark> Riddell: then to KDE icons
[11:38] <kwwii_inkscape> MidMark: erm, you mean crystal
[11:38] <DaSkreech> MidMark: I think what they mean is what do you consider revolutionary?
[11:40] <MidMark> MacOSx icons are very very beatifull, I don't like apple'os, but looks nice, those icons not... they are... darker
[11:40] <MidMark> and not so nice...
[11:40] <MidMark> in my opinion of course
[11:41] <DaSkreech> So Oxygen icons are too dark?
[11:41] <kwwii_inkscape> MidMark: did you see the kontact toolbar david posted on his blog?
[11:42] <kwwii_inkscape> I do not think you can say that they are darker than the crystal stuff
[11:42] <MidMark> I'm seeing this -> http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?cat=3
[11:43] <kwwii_inkscape> MidMark: ouch, that is an old preview, we are working on updating the site
[11:43] <kwwii_inkscape> check out the playground/artwork/Oxygen in kde svn
[11:43] <MidMark> so can I have un updated link?
[11:43] <kwwii_inkscape> or look at davids blog
[11:43] <kwwii_inkscape> one second
[11:43] <MidMark> thx
[11:43] <Riddell> MidMark: you could package that too :)
[11:44] <kwwii_inkscape> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/
[11:44] <kwwii_inkscape> browse the folders in that dir
[11:44] <MidMark> Riddell: why in kscd there is no sound? output is for webcam instead of soundcard?
[11:45] <kwwii_inkscape> there is also a script in "Ken" two levels up which will build the theme file
[11:45] <kwwii_inkscape> so you can test it
[11:45] <kwwii_inkscape> but it is still not complete yet
[11:45] <kwwii_inkscape> check kontact for instance
[11:45] <kwwii_inkscape> or konqi
[11:45] <kwwii_inkscape> and remeber that it is a work in progress
[11:45] <Riddell> ooh, kmail looks bling
[11:46] <kwwii_inkscape> http://static.flickr.com/49/158344925_8b3f44cc88.jpg?v=0
[11:46] <kwwii_inkscape> that is the kontact toolbar
[11:46] <Flosoft> cool
[11:46] <Flosoft> where can I setup these icons
[11:46] <Flosoft> ???
[11:47] <Flosoft> do they replace crystal?
[11:47] <kwwii_inkscape> copy them from svn and then run my script in the svg dir
[11:47] <kwwii_inkscape> hopefully they will replace them, yes
[11:47] <Flosoft> isn't there something for System settings?
[11:47] <Flosoft> to automatically import them
[11:47] <DaSkreech> kwwii_inkscape: Can't I do a svn checkout on it?
[11:48] <kwwii_inkscape> Flosoft: yepp, but first you have to build the tar.gz file with my script
[11:48] <kwwii_inkscape> DaSkreech: of course
[11:48] <robotgeek> kwwii_inkscape: nice! 
[11:48] <Riddell> kwwii_inkscape: I think you'll need to put a "how can I setup these icons" on the website when it's updated :)
[11:48] <MidMark> kwwii: they are nicer, I'm seeing...
[11:48] <Riddell> of course I expect someone to package them soon
[11:48] <kwwii_inkscape> Riddell: yeah, I will do that but it was hard enough to convince the others to release them so soon
[11:49] <kwwii_inkscape> once the website is updated we will announce the release
[11:49] <kwwii_inkscape> and I am spending the time before paris to work on them full-time
[11:50] <seth> http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/theme/svg/apps/konqueror.svg?rev=546749 kwwii_inkscape, that's hot ^_^
[11:50] <kwwii_inkscape> :-)
[11:51] <kwwii_inkscape> still needs some work at small sizes
[11:51] <seth> how does SVG handle small sizes? Can you embed a bitmap to use below size X?
[11:52] <Riddell> kwwii_inkscape: to convince mark they would need to be default in kubuntu edgy on KDE 3
[11:52] <Riddell> seth: you need a separate file
[11:53] <seth> bah, still the dimXdim holdover eh :)
[11:53] <kwwii_inkscape> Riddell: yeah, I know...which means we have a lot to do in four months
[11:53] <seth> ah well, at least now we don't need 6 different folders for all the sizes, just a few
[11:53] <MidMark> kwwii: you are talking to me? I have to install them?
[11:54] <kwwii_inkscape> guess I meant mr shuttleworth :-)
[11:54] <Riddell> seth: in KDE 3 we'll still need all the sizes as bitmaps
[11:55] <kwwii_inkscape> we are rendering them all to pngs atm, but we are working with kde4 as well so they are a pure svg theme
[11:55] <kwwii_inkscape> only using one size svg for both the small and large icons is kinda difficult
[12:05] <toma> ha
[12:05] <toma> funny