[12:07] <davidhouse> installing...
[12:08] <davidhouse> iNiku:
[12:08] <davidhouse> No fonts match `MonospaceXcursor.theme: kubuntu'
[12:08] <davidhouse> still broken here.
[12:08] <iNiku> could that be caused by some settings you have in .emacs or something?
[12:08] <iNiku> in X resources maybe
[12:09] <Infecto> can some one tell me why i cant suspend to ram my laptop using klaptop ?
[12:09] <Infecto> i can do it by root
[12:09] <davidhouse> iNiku: well my .Xresources is "Emacs*font: Monospace"
[12:09] <Infecto> but i cant from user
[12:09] <Infecto> kde 3.5.3
[12:09] <Infecto> 6.06
[12:10] <davidhouse> iNiku: hmmm... but there was no trailling newline. i've added one now, can i tell X to reread the file?
[12:10] <iNiku> davidhouse: xrdb -something... hang on
[12:10] <slow-motion> n8
[12:10] <iNiku> xrdb -merge
[12:11] <iNiku> probably
[12:11] <Dasnipa`> woo woo dapper drake
[12:11] <iNiku> xrdb -merge file
[12:11] <davidhouse> that's either doing something heavy or waiting for input from me
[12:11] <davidhouse> ah
[12:11] <davidhouse> wonderful!
[12:12] <davidhouse> (i now get "no fonts match Monospace", but i can fix that :))
[12:12] <exhale> !adept
[12:12] <ubotu> adept is, like, totally, a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[12:12] <davidhouse> grr... Monospace _is_ a font on my system though.
[12:12] <iNiku> hehe, okay, that was a little strange
[12:13] <davidhouse> i do remember there being a confusing mess wrt fonts, two types of fonts, and by default X could only use one type... or something
[12:15] <davidhouse> gah, i still get "no fonts match Monospace"
[12:15] <iNiku> yeah, xrdb -merge won't remove anything
[12:16] <iNiku> xrdb -remove should but I'm not sure how you tell it what to remove
[12:16] <iNiku> or you could just restart X :P
[12:18] <davidhouse> iNiku: xrdb -remove .Xresources worked, and so does emacs now! :) yay, thanks!
[12:18] <iNiku> cool :)
[12:18] <davidhouse> it's still ugly as sin, but i'll try my luck with the gtk-snapshot
[12:18] <iNiku> and yeah, X font handling is a bit messy
[12:19] <RogueJediX> Anyone have any idea why mp3s won't play? I have libmad and xine-extracodecs
[12:20] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: in what player?
[12:20] <Blippe> katapult wont start? what to do?
[12:21] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: Well, any. I've tried playing it with amaroK at first, then with Kaffeine and KMPlayer. Nothing.
[12:21] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: got amarok-xine?
[12:22] <davidhouse> by default kaffeine plays through gstreamer and amarok plays through akode or something.
[12:22] <davidhouse> i would expect kmplayer to work, but, hmm.
[12:22] <iNiku> RogueJediX: you've read this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats#head-a57167a3ce442dc52d9b05e46a14503330d4e970
[12:23] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: Yeah, I got that too. And surprisingly enough, amaroK doesn't have the gstreamer option ever since I upgraded to Dapper.
[12:24] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yeah, I did everything it said. Zilch.
[12:24] <iNiku> you have sound, though?
[12:24] <equinoxeB> sun-java anyone? I don't see it in adept...
[12:24] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope.
[12:24] <iNiku> I mean, from other formats?
[12:24] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope. oggs and flacs won't play either
[12:25] <iNiku> do you hear anything if you try aplay /dev/urandom?
[12:25] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Only silence.
[12:25] <iNiku> that means your mp3 playback is not broken
[12:25] <equinoxeB> amarok uses xine...
[12:25] <K|NgGh0sT> How can I edit what stuff is in my Kmenu?
[12:25] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: open up KMix. head onto Switches and uncheck External Amplifier.
[12:25] <davidhouse> K|NgGh0sT: right click, menu editor
[12:26] <iNiku> your entire sound support is broken, somehow
[12:26] <equinoxeB> you need to install libxine-extracodecs
[12:26] <heinrich>  i am just configuring apache but i do not know what kind of group me as a user is in this linux system
[12:26] <iNiku> RogueJediX: also check in KMix that master and pcm are enabled (not muted) and their volume is turned up
[12:27] <jorgp> RogueJediX, if its amarok 1.4 then use xine because gstreamer support was removed and may return in 1.4.1
[12:27] <iNiku> let's get his audio working first, then worry about mp3
[12:27] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: Can't find External Amplifier in Switches section
[12:27] <Sanne> heinrich, type groups in a terminal, you get the groups you belong to.
[12:28] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Both are maxed out. Am I in trouble or what?
[12:28] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: what can you find?
[12:28] <iNiku> RogueJediX: and the "green leds" are lit?
[12:29] <Sanne> heinrich, the user apache runs under is usually www-data
[12:29] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yup
[12:29] <heinrich> yes i see and i should not change it?
[12:30] <jeroenvrp> does anyone know something about qemu
[12:30] <jeroenvrp> I try to load the desktop-iso, but it always fails
[12:30] <Sanne> heinrich, (please type my nick so I get alerted when you reply) I didn't need to change anything after setting up apache, as far as I can remember.
[12:30] <iNiku> RogueJediX: try cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[12:30] <heinrich> ok
[12:31] <jeroenvrp> it is stuck at the line: enabling passive release, etc...
[12:31] <heinrich> Sanne you are from germany#?
[12:31] <iNiku> RogueJediX: something might be using your OSS sound device and blocking everything else
[12:31] <Sanne> heinrich, yep :)
[12:31] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: 3D Control Switch - off, Mic Boost - off, some IEC switches, mostly off except for the "5V", "In Monitor" and "analog" one, PC Speaker playnack - off, Exchange DAC - on, Four channel mode - on
[12:32] <BioVorE> Anyone useing konqueror in kubuntu 6.06 with comviz enable notice that when konqueror losses focus, it gose translucent.. but will not go untranslucent.  All the other apps seem to work correctly.. There a problem in how konqueror notifies about having focus?
[12:32] <jeroenvrp> I'm using the command: qemu -cdrom kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso -boot d -m 256
[12:32] <exhale> when is kde 3.5.3 going to be available in the repos?
[12:32] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Still waiting for it to spit something back out
[12:32] <iNiku> RogueJediX: okay, so it gives no errors and no sound?
[12:32] <heinrich> Sanne i am from Berlin
[12:32] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Precisely.
[12:32] <iNiku> RogueJediX: okay, then it wasn't that
[12:33] <jorgp> exhale, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[12:33] <RogueJediX> iNiku: And I know my speakers and sound card work, 'cause I tested them out on the windows partition
[12:33] <Sanne> heinrich, I'm in Schleswig-Holstein
[12:33] <iNiku> RogueJediX: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:33] <iNiku> do you see more than one card there?
[12:33] <heinrich> Sanne you programm?
[12:33] <heinrich> are you a freelancer?
[12:34] <Dasnipa`> ish ein die freelance
[12:34] <Sanne> heinrich, a little, but... we#re getting offtopic, it's just too busy here...
[12:34] <iNiku> busy? try #ubuntu :)
[12:34] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yeah, two. The first one is mine (CMI8738) and there's also something called UART
[12:34] <Sanne> iNiku, I did, then I came here for air ;)
[12:34] <iNiku> Sanne: I hear you :D
[12:34] <heinrich> Sanne, ok
[12:34] <Sanne> iNiku :)
[12:34] <The_Vox> anybody a 64bit user here?
[12:35] <heinrich> ?
[12:35] <iNiku> RogueJediX: wonder what the second one is... hopefully all the players are not trying to use that by default
[12:36] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Should I paste the entire thing to pastebin?
[12:36] <iNiku> but I guess card 0 is used by default and that's the correct one, right?
[12:36] <RogueJediX> iNiku: I would hope so.
[12:36] <iNiku> I doubt I'll be able to help you, I'm not much of an alsa guru
[12:36] <RogueJediX> Dang.
[12:37] <iNiku> but yeah, pastebin it, I'll take a look
[12:37] <RogueJediX> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/752349
[12:37] <iNiku> ahh.. the second one is MIDI stuff
[12:38] <iNiku> so, yeah, the problem is not there
[12:38] <RogueJediX> Oh.
[12:38] <iNiku> for some people it will default to the microphone on their webcam or something like that
[12:38] <RogueJediX> What ticks me off the most is that I can see amaroK playing files without errors, but don't hear a peep
[12:39] <iNiku> what kind of a sound card is it?
[12:39] <RogueJediX> Hercules Muse XL
[12:39] <iNiku> integrated or PCI or something?
[12:40] <RogueJediX> PCI
[12:40] <iNiku> on some audio chipsets the connections are routed dynamically so in theory it could be using the wrong connector for output
[12:42] <iNiku> the audio stuff integrated on my motherboard is like that, you can basically plug anything anywhere and just tell the driver what's what
[12:42] <RogueJediX> iNiku: So I should plug the speakers somewhere else and see if I can't hear something?
[12:43] <iNiku> RogueJediX: it does seem rather unlikely but that's the only thing I can think of right now...
[12:43] <iNiku> if you're sure the mixer settings are OK
[12:44] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Done. Nothing happened other than me getting worried a little bit more
[12:45] <Sanne> RogueJediX, iNiku, maybe you already covered that, but is it confirmed that the sound card driver is loaded?
[12:46] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Here's a noobish question: How do I do that?
[12:46] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: i had a really similar problem where it just seemed the entire system was mutes. as i said, that switch in KMix fixed it for me. from what you were describing i don't think you were looking at KMix, so try launching that explicity from a run dialogue
[12:46] <davidhouse> if you're short of ideas, that is
[12:47] <iNiku> RogueJediX: do what?
[12:47] <iNiku> yeah, I'd check kmix once more and make sure you really have the mute buttons set right... the green leds for master and pcm should be lit (=clearly brighter than the other unlit ones)
[12:48] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Confirm that my sound card driver is loaded
[12:48] <iNiku> it is since it's shown in /proc/asound/cards
[12:49] <RogueJediX> Well, master doesn't have any leds, only a slider, which is maxed out and PCM in the Input section is lit and maxed out as well
[12:49] <davidhouse> RogueJediX: are you looking at KAMix or KMIx?
[12:49] <Sanne> iNiku, RogueJediX, ah yes, I see it's the driver CMI8738 (as listed at alsa-project.org for this card). RogueJediX, generally you look what modules are loaded with the command lspci.
[12:50] <DaveQB> since upgrading to Dapper, auto mounting and the popup windows is not happening for removable media.  Anybody else ?
[12:50] <RogueJediX> davidhouse: kmix. Typed in in the CLI
[12:50] <iNiku> Sanne: no you don't, you use lsmod
[12:50] <Sanne> iNiku, oh... not?
[12:50] <Sanne> iNiku, I'm dumb
[12:50] <iNiku> Sanne: lspci shows what PCI devices are installed
[12:50] <davidhouse> DaveQB: works great for me
[12:50] <Sanne> iNiku, of course. RogueJediX, don't listen to me.
[12:51] <DaveQB> davidhouse: hmmm is your udev service started ? Mine isnt
[12:51] <iNiku> hehe
[12:51] <Sanne> :)
[12:51] <davidhouse> DaveQB: i plugged my usb stick in and got a lovely little dialogue box asking me whether i wanted to view its files or do nothing
[12:51] <iNiku> RogueJediX: KMix should show green leds above the sliders
[12:51] <davidhouse> DaveQB: also my usb mouse & keyboard worked first time
[12:51] <DaveQB> davidhouse: yeah thats what I used to get on Breezy
[12:52] <iNiku> RogueJediX: and it's the output section we are interested in
[12:52] <DaveQB> davidhouse: actually my mouse is usb, no problems there. But was in during bootup
[12:52] <crazy_penguin> good night! pleasent dreams to everybody!
[12:52] <RogueJediX> iNiku: The output section only has one led, the one over Phone and it's lit
[12:52] <DaveQB> oh, starting udev fails, this could be a problem me thinks
[12:52] <argpirate> does kubuntu have a printer setup utility?
[12:52] <iNiku> hmm, weird
[12:52] <DaveQB> argpirate: kprinter
[12:53] <Sanne> iNiku, RogueJediX, another idea: are you in the audio group (you should be by default, I guess)?
[12:53] <iNiku> RogueJediX: open up a terminal and run alsamixer
[12:53] <iNiku> Sanne: he can access the audio devices
[12:53] <iNiku> there's just no sound
[12:53] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Done.
[12:53] <iNiku> RogueJediX: you can move around with the cursor keys and mute and unmute channels with m
[12:53] <argpirate> thanks
[12:53] <Sanne> iNiku, ok
[12:53] <iNiku> do you see master and pcm there?
[12:54] <argpirate> i think the only think missing from kubuntu/ubuntu is a nice control panel type affiar
[12:54] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yup. master doesn't have the option to be muted and PCM isn't muted to begin with
[12:54] <iNiku> okay, just wanted to make sure
[12:54] <ctothej> is there a graphical interface to kill processes?
[12:55] <ctothej> i have one that is hanging..
[12:55] <DaveQB> argpirate: ummm System Settings in the Kmenu not what your talking about ?
[12:55] <DaveQB> ctothej: ksysguard
[12:55] <RogueJediX> ctothej: xkill
[12:55] <RogueJediX> Or that
[12:55] <DaveQB> or that ^
[12:55] <DaveQB> :)
[12:55] <ctothej> xkill just sent my desktop black
[12:55] <argpirate> DaveQB, yeah thats an alright menu but it doesnt have some stuff
[12:55] <iNiku> RogueJediX: and at the top where it says "Item: Master", there's no [Off] ?
[12:55] <argpirate> kprinter for example is not there
[12:55] <Riddell> eric_p: hi
[12:56] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope
[12:56] <eric_p> Riddell: do you remember the kubuntu-fr project ?
[12:56] <DaveQB> argpirate: yeah hopefully it gets bigger in future releases, but printer setup is in there though
[12:56] <argpirate> ah
[12:56] <eric_p> Riddell:  the site was released today, if you want to have a look...
[12:56] <argpirate> not in mine
[12:56] <iNiku> RogueJediX: then I really don't know :/
[12:56] <pekay> anyone can help me with why amaroK doesnt build my collection?
[12:56] <argpirate> mine was an "upgrade" from ubuntu though so my menus might be a bit off
[12:56] <eric_p> Riddell: www.kubuntu-fr.org
[12:56] <heinrich> bye all
[12:56] <Sanne> bye heinrich
[12:57] <iNiku> RogueJediX: oh, do you have an .asoundrc file in your home dir?
[12:57] <heinrich> :o)
[12:57] <Riddell> eric_p: excellent
[12:57] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nuh-uh
[12:57] <McScruff> whats a good replacement for gnomes evolution
[12:57] <iNiku> damn
[12:57] <iNiku> I'm out of ideas then
[12:58] <exhale> McScruff: thunderbird?
[12:58] <McScruff> omg iNiku never sleeps , always helping
[12:58] <argpirate> DaveQB, but yeah i think it will get better also, ubuntu is pretty young yet, and debian has no tool like that either, i hear they are trying to port yast2
[12:58] <iNiku> McScruff: don't worry, I will in a minute :)
[12:58] <RogueJediX> iNiku: So, there should be a led above the master slider?
[12:58] <argpirate> its really the only thing i miss from mandriva
[12:58] <iNiku> McScruff: did you get your screen res sorted out?
[12:58] <eric_p> Riddell: it's not 100% finished (doc will be released soon), but i'm happy you like it ;)
[12:58] <iNiku> RogueJediX: there is on both of my systems but I guess on some audio hardware there won't be
[12:58] <McScruff> iNiku: i used the 915resolution in the end, dirty hack but it works
[12:58] <Riddell> eric_p: I'll put up an announcement tomorrow on kubuntu.org
[12:59] <lengau> McScruff: I personally like Kontact
[12:59] <DaveQB> argpirate: hopefully make it faster
[12:59] <iNiku> McScruff: okay... did the system settings -> display thing do anything at all?
[12:59] <DaveQB> arrrr seems udev is fubared after the dapper upgrade here, bugger!
[12:59] <eric_p> Riddell: great! yann put a link on the locoteam page on the wiki
[01:00] <argpirate> DaveQB, in my experince the only real slowness is with the package manager in yast2, i hear its not really slow perse its a bug making it slow
[01:00] <McScruff> iNiku: naa, i tryed a few diff settings but none worked
[01:00] <DaveQB> argpirate: ahh well that would do it
[01:00] <Sanne> RogueJediX, just to be sure everything's ok, if it's not too much hassle, I'd like to look at your output of lsmod. Wanna paste it quick?
[01:00] <argpirate> and really the ubuntu package managers are way better than yast2's incarnation
[01:00] <DaveQB> argpirate: damn straight, big reason I came from Mandrake
[01:00] <RogueJediX> Sanne: Coming up
[01:01] <DaveQB> ok so whats responsible for mounting removalable media , anyone ?
[01:01] <argpirate> urpmi isnt to bad, i think apt-get is better though
[01:01] <DaveQB> it seems my /dev entries are being created, but I have to manually mount the dev myself, no more popup :( :( :(
[01:01] <iNiku> McScruff: okay... good to know
[01:01] <DaveQB> argpirate: yeah urpmi is better then alot, just not apt-get
[01:02] <RogueJediX> Sanne: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/752392
[01:02] <lengau> in my experience (yast, urpmi, yum, emerge, apt, etc etc.) Apt is the best system out there.
[01:02] <bleaked> so by default, the linux-image-386 package is installed.  would it be worth updating to the 686 set?  and if so, what's the preferred method, purging the 386 set and installing 686?
[01:02] <Sanne> RogueJediX, looking...
[01:02] <lengau> bleaked:I just installed the K7 and left 386.
[01:02] <Steven_M> What does LTS stand for when the talk about the new kubuntu cd?
[01:02] <lengau> Long term Support
[01:03] <Steven_M> thanks :)
[01:03] <lengau> :)
[01:04] <Steven_M> see you all later
[01:04] <lengau> bye Steven
[01:04] <argpirate> DaveQB, yeah if i could have ubuntu plus MCC i would be a happy camper
[01:04] <lengau> Who here is going to upgrade to Edgy as soon as it's released?
[01:04] <DaveQB> argpirate: yeah your right there ;)
[01:06] <misterfishhat> hello
[01:06] <Sanne> RogueJediX, seems ok (unfortunately...), snd_cmipci and soundcore is there. I guess you already checked the ubuntu wiki about sound problems? There are some pages, if I remember correctly.
[01:07] <misterfishhat> i borked my install and now when i log in all i get is a textonly login and i dont know how to change it
[01:08] <RogueJediX> Sanne: I think so. Could you trouble you for the link so I can make sure?
[01:08] <lengau> misterfishhat:can you start X from the command line?
[01:08] <Sanne> RogueJediX, sure, sec
[01:08] <omega> Adept says that I won't be able to change/install software since there's something keeping the file locked, but I checked and there are no other versions of adept running. How do I fix this?
[01:09] <misterfishhat> lengau: yes
[01:09] <Sanne> RogueJediX, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetupSoundCards and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems look promising.
[01:10] <lengau> misterfishhat: are you starting KDM from the command line that way?
[01:10] <RogueJediX> Sanne: Thanks. I don't think I've seen the second one
[01:10] <misterfishhat> lengau: i tried
[01:10] <Sanne> RogueJediX :)
[01:11] <lengau> misterfishhat: what does it say?
[01:11] <DaveQB> does everyone have autofs installed ?
[01:11] <misterfishhat> lengau: it says it started but mhen i logout it goes io the terminal like before
[01:11] <DaveQB> I havent, but do not know if this is my issue
[01:11] <s-king> kmix always starts on the default session, anyone know how to disable this. Closing it and save the current session doesnt fix it
[01:12] <DaveQB> oh HAL is not installed!! I wonder how this happened, I am pretty sure I had it before.
[01:12] <lengau> hmm... when you type 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' it says it's already started? Does it go to a login screen or straight to the desktop?
[01:14] <misterfishhat> it ;ays its started
[01:14] <DaveQB> ahh dbus is not installed either! what happened here during the upgrade
[01:15] <DaveQB> is that default in dapper ??  To not have HAL and dbus ???
[01:15] <lengau> misterfishhat: Does it go to a login screen or the desktop?
[01:15] <misterfishhat> text login
[01:15] <DaveQB> can anyone see my text ?
[01:16] <lengau> after you type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[01:16] <lengau> DaveQB: Yes
[01:16] <DaveQB> oh ok, thanx
[01:16] <misterfishhat> lengau: yes
[01:17] <lengau> misterfishhat: Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: you start up your computer. It goes to a text login. you log in and type 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start' and it goes back to a text login?
[01:17] <lengau> that doesn't sound right.
[01:17] <misterfishhat> it says kdm already started then back to text
[01:18] <lengau> okay. What about if you replace start with stop?
[01:19] <kronoz> !easysource
[01:19] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:19] <misterfishhat> lengau: ill give it a shot
[01:19] <lengau> misterfishhat: No
[01:19] <lengau> That'll stop your Graphical display
[01:20] <misterfishhat> lengau: im in my ubuntu live cd now
[01:21] <lengau> oh okay.
[01:21] <TheFuzzball> hello, how do I upgrade to the official Kubuntu 6.06 release? I am currently using Flight 6, how do I upgrade?
[01:22] <misterfishhat> lengau: do you know how to mount my ubuntu partition with the live cd?
[01:22] <dereks_> does anyone have vmware-player running on dapper using their packages?
[01:22] <misterfishhat> lengau: it claims that its busy
[01:23] <TheFuzzball> hello, how do I upgrade to the official Kubuntu 6.06 release? I am currently using Flight 6, how do I upgrade?
[01:24] <ubuntu> trying to install kubuntu and while it starts the partitioner it says 'critical error during ped_disk_new!' any way to fix this?
[01:24] <lengau> sudo umount /dev/hda1 (assuming your ubuntu partition is hda1) and then sudo mount -t (partition type here) /dev/hda1 /media/hda1
[01:24] <misterfishhat> TheFuzzball: sudo atp-get update & sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:24] <NthDegree> ubuntu: use the alternate install CD if the desktop version is not working
[01:25] <ubuntu> i tried that one forst
[01:25] <ubuntu> first
[01:25] <TheFuzzball> ta
[01:25] <permanewb> I don't seem to be able to connect to source-o-matic. Is there another way to determine the correct sources.list lines? apt-get fails to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[01:26] <dereks_> i am getting this error when i try to install vmware: http://pastebin.com/752415   any suggestions
[01:26] <misterfishhat> lengau: it says not mounted yet when i try to mount it it says its already mounted
[01:27] <TheFuzzball> misterfishhat, will I need to reboot?
[01:27] <lengau> hmm... I don't know...
[01:27] <TopSlack> seems like the partiton table on the drive is messed up
[01:27] <lengau> that's really weird.
[01:28] <lengau> yeah.
[01:28] <lengau> it does.
[01:28] <TopSlack> hey dereks_ - run vmware-config
[01:28] <misterfishhat> lengau: its a logical part.
[01:29] <TheFuzzball> how do I check what version of Kubuntu I have?
[01:29] <misterfishhat> lengau:and when i check it in the live cds partitioner it says its unformatted
[01:30] <misterfishhat> when i know it is formatted
[01:30] <lengau> Does anyone know how to force dependencies to reinstall with the apt reinstall option?
[01:30] <lengau> misterfishhat: fsck /dev/hda1
[01:30] <lengau> just to make sure the disc is properly working.
[01:31] <lengau> *working is supposed to be formatted
[01:31] <TheFuzzball> how do I check what version of Kubuntu I have?
[01:31] <lengau> TheFuzzball: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:31] <lengau> oops
[01:31] <pestilence> TheFuzzball, cat /etc/issue
[01:31] <Blippe> katapult dies instantly (don't appear with ps -A). What should i do?
[01:32] <lengau> pesilence: thanks. I didn't know that existed.
[01:32] <lengau> I was going to have him grep the sources.
[01:33] <lengau> Blippie: what happens when you run from a command line?
[01:33] <dereks_> hmm, no one has vmware-player workin?
[01:33] <TheFuzzball> pestilence, what means Ubuntu 6.06 LTS \n \l ? especially the "\n \l" bit
[01:33] <Blippe> it starts, and don't directly dies, but alt-space doesn't do anything.
[01:33] <_bon> could i install xubunntu over the network i have run out cds ?
[01:34] <lengau> Blippie: does the system tray icon come up?
[01:34] <pestilence> TheFuzzball, disregard that.
[01:34] <TheFuzzball> pestilence, okay
[01:34] <Blippe> lengau, no, no new trays, just klipper and the battery meter.
[01:34] <pestilence> TheFuzzball, the important part is before those special characters
[01:35] <TheFuzzball> ok
[01:35] <TheFuzzball> thanks
[01:35] <pestilence> sure
[01:35] <lengau> Blippie: what about as another user?
[01:35] <Blippe> lengua, you on win, ubuntu or another linux distro??
[01:36] <Blippe> lengau, i just have one user, what's the quickest way to try? root?
[01:36] <lengau> Blippie: NEVER log in as root.
[01:36] <pestilence> Blippe, no, add a user.  (adduser)
[01:36] <kronoz> wow, really impressed with krita
[01:36] <_bon> i have to computers one with kubuntu and the other is quite old with ubuntu could i install xubuntu on the ubuntu machine over the network
[01:36] <_bon> or ubuntulite
[01:36] <lengau> Blippie: Kubuntu Dapper
[01:37] <Blippe> lengau, was a wee bit quick there, did a kdesu katapult, did work
[01:37] <pestilence> _bon, what version of ubuntu
[01:37] <_bon> 10.5
[01:37] <pestilence> _bon, it is possible, but if it is warty or hoary, it might get hairy
[01:37] <lengau> blippie: okay, then you need to remove your Katapult settings (must have got messed up somehow. That's what's causing the crash, I think)
[01:37] <pestilence> _bon, do you mean 5.10?
[01:37] <ryanakca> how do you reset iptables?
[01:38] <_bon> yeah sorry
[01:38] <Blippe> lengua, excellent, been looking for them :D
[01:38] <pestilence> _bon, then just look at the instructions for upgrading to dapper
[01:38] <Blippe> where do i find them?
[01:38] <pestilence> _bon, and install xubuntu-desktop, and remove ubuntu-desktop
[01:39] <pestilence> _bon, if the xubuntu-desktop package exists in 5.10, i would install it prior to upgrading
[01:39] <_bon> where who9uld i fine the repositries xunbuntu
[01:39] <lengau> Blippie: are they in ~/.kde/share/apps/katapult?
[01:39] <pestilence> _bon, they should be the same as ubuntu
[01:39] <_bon> ok
[01:40] <Blippe> pestilence, i think it would be wiser to upgrade first (he won't be able to get rid of all of gnome, and upgrading tons of extra gnome-debs would just be a pain)
[01:40] <Blippe> lengau, nope, they're not there
[01:40] <lengau> Blippie: weird... hang on, I'll look
[01:40] <pestilence> Blippe, upgrading first will upgrade all of those gnome-debs, won't it?
[01:41] <pestilence> Blippe, i'm suggesting that he remove ubuntu-desktop prior to upgrading
[01:41] <Blippe> pestilence, :D sorry
[01:42] <Sanne> Blippe, xubuntu-desktop in breezy is in universe
[01:42] <sampan> yikes my upgrade to dapper just broke after downloading all the debs ... any suggestions on next step?
[01:42] <pestilence> sampan, apt-get install -f
[01:42] <sampan> pestilence  what does that do exactly?
[01:42] <pestilence> sampan, tries to restart where it left off
[01:43] <pestilence> -f = fix
[01:43] <sampan> and if that fails too?
[01:43] <jorgp> wow, that install did not go well
[01:43] <pestilence> sampan, first things first
[01:43] <pestilence> sampan, run apt-get install -f
[01:43] <pestilence> it's not a dangerous command
[01:44] <jorgp> how do I change resolution on desktop cd, it starts in 640x480 mode and I can not see the buttons to push
[01:44] <jorgp> bootup
[01:45] <sampan> pestilence  okay -- well it's spitting out a bunch of stuff ... now redoing locales -- during the download phase there was one file that it didn't download. error msg on: libaudio2 1.7-3ubuntu3
[01:45] <[knap] > hi, by mistake i deleted my xorg.conf file and don't have a backup, my x is still running can i ''build it''?
[01:45] <word> WHat does this error mean? - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/750974
[01:47] <lengau> Blippie: I don't know. I can't find it.
[01:47] <Sanne> [knap] , I believe (please, others correct me if I'm wrong), you could reconfigure the xserver and generate a new config file with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:47] <kronoz> word:  what caused that error?
[01:48] <kronoz> word: where you trying to install nvidia drivers?
[01:48] <word> kronoz: First I got an input error for device 169..then I was told by imbrandon to remove the tablet pc entries in xorg.conf..after that I get this error whenever I run an app from terminal.
[01:49] <kronoz> :/ i dunno then
[01:49] <[knap] > Sanne it's working i'm going to re-configure it now
[01:49] <[knap] > thanks
[01:49] <Sanne> [knap] , you're welcome
[01:49] <pestilence> sampan, i would just keep running it until you get the same error consistenly
[01:50] <pestilence> sampan, sometimes dependencies cause errors that fix themselves
[01:50] <pestilence> sampan, through repeated apt-get install -f 's
[01:50] <sampan> pestilence  k -- so far so good -- lots and lots of scroll and no errors that i can see -- so i'm crossing my fingers and praying :D
[01:50] <kronoz> !easysource
[01:50] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:50] <sampan> it's rebuilding the database right now ... "This may take some time."
[01:51] <james_xxx> roughly how large should the kubuntu CD be? lol
[01:51] <pestilence> james_xxx, 700 megs
[01:52] <james_xxx> lol the image i downloaded is like 200 MB
[01:52] <james_xxx> it must have timed out or something
[01:52] <pestilence> james_xxx, that's not it.
[01:52] <pestilence> james_xxx, i would use the torrent.  that is re-startable
[01:52] <pestilence> james_xxx, and probably faster, given the load the servers are under right now
[01:52] <Blippe> lengau, i'm starting to think it was never meant to be :D
[01:52] <james_xxx> i do not know how to use torrent, but it is time i learned
[01:53] <sampan> pestilence  now it's asking about Configuration file `/etc/qt3/qtrc' and whether i want to keep my current version (changed by a script or me?!?) or use the updated one -- i presume the updated one?
[01:53] <pestilence> james_xxx, indeed.  it's not that hard.
[01:53] <lengau> Blippie: try sudo aptitude purge katapult;sudo aptitude install katapult
[01:53] <lengau> As one last option.
[01:53] <pestilence> sampan, if you don't know what it is, i'd say take the new one
[01:53] <sampan> k -- your guess -must- be better than my guess ;D
[01:54] <sampan> <--- newb
[01:54] <Blippe> lengau, done that too
[01:54] <pestilence> sampan, well, it is usually a good thing to at least look at the diffs
[01:54] <kronoz> wget -c can also continue
[01:54] <pestilence> sampan, half the time there is nothing important changed anyways
[01:54] <lengau> Blippie: which Alt key have you been using?
[01:54] <lengau> try the other one.
[01:55] <sampan> pestilence  hope so -- it's too late to look at anything now since i said to change it (i know i've never touched that file, so some script must have)
[01:55] <pestilence> :-D
[01:55] <Blippe> left one, the one that works when i started katapult with sudo
[01:56] <SkrotFFS> Hi. I just installed kubuntu 6.06 and upon playing movies with mplayer -vo xv I get "xv: could not grab the port 73". I've got a ATi card and official ATi-drivers
[01:56] <lengau> Blippie: I don;t know then. sorry.
[01:56] <Blippe> np
[01:57] <lengau> Blippie: I'll look into it and see if I can find something.
[01:57] <lengau> but right now I have to go.
[01:57] <_bon> pestilence: theres no xubuntu files in the ubuntu 5.10 repostires
[01:57] <lengau> bye
[01:57] <pestilence> SkrotFFS, is that the exact error message?
[01:57] <pestilence> _bon, yea, it's in universe in 5.10
[01:57] <pestilence> !universe
[01:57] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[01:57] <SkrotFFS> pestilence: yes
[01:58] <_bon> ok cheers
[01:58] <ron_> i am fairly new to linux and entirely new to kde... that being said, how do i get my printer to work?
[01:58] <pestilence> SkrotFFS, that's a weird one.
[01:58] <SkrotFFS> pestilence: I agree
[01:58] <RogueJediX> Which package do I have to dpkg-reconfigure to set up my sound card properly? I may have screwed something up during the upgrade
[01:58] <pestilence> ron_, alt+f2, type kcontrol, look under peripherals, it's quite easy
[01:59] <sampan> pestilence  well it finished and only errors now were unable to stat package lists from PLF and cipherpunk ... so i guess it's reboot time?!?
[01:59] <pestilence> sampan, dunno what plf and cipherpunk are, but sure! why not.
[02:00] <sampan> just non-ubuntu repos (penguin liberation front, etc.) for some multimedia debs
[02:00] <zerjillo> Hi all
[02:01] <zerjillo> can anyone help me with a problem with kubuntu 6.06, an ibook and the keyboard (apple key)?
[02:01] <zerjillo> i have just installed kubuntu 6.06 but the apple key is not working
[02:01] <zerjillo> any hint on how to solve it?
[02:02] <godlkwrth> that may be the expected behavior
[02:02] <zerjillo> well i need it in order to write some characters (the "at" symbol).
[02:02] <zerjillo> I'm with an spanish keyboard
[02:03] <zerjillo> and in the previous version of kubuntu it did work
[02:03] <godlkwrth> oh
[02:03] <ron_> umm.  do i add printer/class or special/pseudo printer?  it is connected to my usb port on this puter
[02:04] <zerjillo> i've seen answers about this but for previous versions of ubuntu (without k)
[02:06] <kkathman> zerjillo have you tried the regional settings?
[02:06] <zerjillo> yes...
[02:06] <zerjillo> i have tried many different settings
[02:06] <zerjillo> but no way
[02:07] <pestilence> ron_, the first.
[02:07] <kkathman> zerjillo:  kcontrol -> Regional & Accessibility -> Keyboard Layout ??
[02:07] <dipnlik> hi all. what is VmSize in the Process Table?
[02:07] <kkathman> zerjillo:  also look at the Country/Region & Language
[02:07] <zerjillo> yes kkathman
[02:07] <zerjillo> i'm there
[02:08] <zerjillo> and i have selected Spain (es)
[02:08] <zerjillo> also tried several keyboard models
[02:08] <zerjillo> and every key is in the right position for an spanish keyboard
[02:08] <kkathman> zerjillo:  and you set the Country/Region & Languages to Spain ?
[02:08] <zerjillo> bu the "apple key" (alt-gr) is not working
[02:09] <zerjillo> yes kkathman
[02:09] <kkathman> ohh lol apple :)
[02:09] <zerjillo> i have change everything to spain
[02:09] <zerjillo> yeah kkathman :-)
[02:09] <kkathman> not sure about that one
[02:09] <zerjillo> i'm on an ibook
[02:09] <zerjillo> thats the problem
[02:09] <ron_> thats whtat i thouught. thanks.  but when i get to the printer model selection hp is listed but not my model.  what do i do in that case?
[02:09] <kkathman> thats typically a special mapd
[02:09] <zerjillo> the funny thing is that more than a year ago i installed kubuntu and i managed to get it right...
[02:09] <zerjillo> but not now
[02:09] <kkathman> zerjillo:  you might need to go to the Keyboard mapping or the schortcuts
[02:10] <zerjillo> where can i change the keyboard mapping?
[02:10] <kkathman> zerjillo:  look at the shortcuts
[02:10] <kkathman> you should be able to map that key to whatever you want
[02:10] <zerjillo> ok
[02:11] <pestilence> ron_, you might try the closest model to it, or go on the web and download the driver (should be on the cups website)
[02:11] <kkathman> be sure to look at the "Modfier Keys"
[02:11] <kkathman> that might help also
[02:11] <kkathman> sampan! hey :)P
[02:11] <zerjillo> i see the modifier keys tab
[02:11] <zerjillo> but i cannot change them
[02:11] <ron_> thanx pestilence i will try that
[02:12] <sampan> hey kkathman :)
[02:12] <kkathman> sampan long time no see my friend :)
[02:13] <sampan> kkathman yeah, i've been stuck in my books and not paying much attention in here :)
[02:13] <kkathman> sampan:  understand that :)
[02:13] <sampan> unfortunately, the upgrade to dapper has left me with a busted X ... seems the nvidia drivers weren't upgraded
[02:13] <kkathman> sampan:  did you install or try to dist-upgrade from breezy?
[02:14] <HTRednek> Hi, forgive the noob question, I'm trying to find a comparision between ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu.  I am assuming its just a difference in the window manager.  Correct?
[02:14] <sampan> kkathman  dist-upgrade (through adept actually)
[02:15] <mongey> anyone wanna seed the 64bit dvd ?
[02:15] <kkathman> HTRednek:  somewhat... ubuntu uses Gnome, kubuntu uses KDE and xubuntu uses XFCE (a scaled back Gnome)
[02:15] <kosh> umm xfce is not related to gnome
[02:15] <xanadia> Hello
[02:15] <kkathman> sampan:  should be easy to fix... just replace nvidia with nv in your x config
[02:16] <sampan> kkathman  is it as simple as apt-get-ing the nvidia-glx package?
[02:16] <xanadia> someone help me?
[02:16] <kkathman> that will get you operational until you reload the nvidia driver
[02:16] <HTRednek> ok, i was kinda gathering that.are there any other major differences in the distros?
[02:16] <sampan> kkathman  yeah ... which file is that x config in again??  lol (been too long since i thought about system files on here)
[02:16] <kkathman> HTRednek:  not really... the core is the same... in ubuntu and xubuntu you will be working with Gnome apps, while in kubuntu you will be working with KDE apps
[02:16] <mongey> anyone?
[02:17] <mongey> Current Downstream: 15.89 KBytes/s
[02:17] <linuxrebel> it's in etc X11 xorg.conf sampan
[02:17] <sampan> also puzzling is that when i logged in on text mode the login was still labeled as Breezy Badger
[02:17] <JavaGeek> mmm... how can i find what packages are available for kubuntu?
[02:17] <sampan> thanks linuxrebel
[02:17] <kkathman> sampan: etc/x11/xorg.conf I believe
[02:17] <HTRednek> kkathman: thank you, thats what I was looking for.
[02:17] <kkathman> HTRednek:  no prob
[02:18] <iwilcox> Does Ubuntu ship with no MTA by default?  I don't see one installed.
[02:18] <kkathman> oops too late...thanks linuxrebel :)
[02:18] <linuxrebel> No problem kkathman.... I've been cursing at copies of it all day today.....
[02:19] <kkathman> linuxrebel:  hehe
[02:19] <sampan> k, well gonna try rebooting (had my slave drive fail now too -- so might be fiddling with that as well here in a moment)
[02:19] <linuxrebel> good luck sampan.
[02:19] <sampan> thanks -- i think i need it ;/
[02:21] <linuxrebel> Just curious the site talks about an Xconfig tool called Guidance.... what package is that in?
[02:22] <JavaGeek> between the irc channel, the forum and the mailing lists, which one is the best to find solutions?
[02:23] <dipnlik> hi all. is it tru that kopete and amarok each one consumes over 100MB of RAM?
[02:24] <vinboy> it could be for amarok
[02:24] <vinboy> but 100mb isn't alot
[02:24] <Bilford> virtual memory
[02:24] <vinboy> but then it is unlikely
[02:25] <dipnlik> vinboy: 100MB isn't a lot? WOW
[02:25] <Bilford> virtual memory
[02:25] <linuxrebel> Kopete on mine is only using like about 10mb ... (6 IM connections)
[02:25] <dipnlik> well, maybe i'm worng. i'm looking at the process table (ctrl esc)
[02:25] <Bilford> I could be wrong, but I think virtual memory is a lot different than normal memory
[02:26] <Bilford> what column are you looking at
[02:26] <linuxrebel> err make that 1mb 0.1% not 1.0%
[02:26] <dipnlik> Bilford: VmSize
[02:26] <Bilford> Can someone please explain Virtual memory
[02:26] <Bilford> I would like to know what it is
[02:26] <dipnlik> Bilford: i know that i didn't expect my system to lag so much with just a few things running
[02:27] <Bilford> youre wrong
[02:27] <Bilford> Virtual memory isnt normal memory, so wait a minute
[02:27] <linuxrebel> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7541
[02:27] <dipnlik> Bilford: amarok + kopete + konqueror with 3 tabs for example. i'm on an athlon xp with 256 RAM
[02:27] <ron_> my printer uses hpijs, which is already installed, how do i get it to use that driver??
[02:27] <Bilford> VIRTUATL MEMORY
[02:27] <linuxrebel> oops sorry that is a link explaining VM
[02:27] <Bilford> ty
[02:29] <linuxrebel> There is a better article on Virtual Memory at linuxjournal but  for some reason I can't reach the site to search for it
[02:30] <Bilford> dipnlik, it's not using up that much memory
[02:30] <Bilford> dipnlik, basically thats storing the file for reading
[02:30] <ctothej> is there any reason why Azureus would terminate randomly?
[02:30] <RogueJediX> Memory leak, maybe?
[02:31] <ctothej> RogueJediX: that was to me?
[02:31] <RogueJediX> ctothej: Indeed it was
[02:31] <ctothej> RogueJediX: how would i check?
[02:31] <dipnlik> Bilford: problem is: with 256 RAM, i would expect amarok + kopete + konqueror + katapult + yakuake would run without problems
[02:32] <dipnlik> Bilford: but even w/o katapult and yakuake, sometimes my system slows to a crawl
[02:32] <pestilence> dipnlik, that's a tall order for 256 megs
[02:32] <pestilence> dipnlik, especially if you are running kde or gnome
[02:32] <RogueJediX> ctothej: Off the top of my head, try comparing readouts from Ksysguard when you run it and after an hour or so
[02:32] <joh6nn> dipnlik: have you made sure that nothing is running in the background?
[02:33] <joh6nn> is there any way for me to switch Kubuntu back to using /mnt , instead of using /media ?
[02:33] <dipnlik> pestilence: omg, that's very very sad
[02:33] <dipnlik> joh6nn: well, now i killed a bluetooth something cause I don't use it. can't think of anything else
[02:34] <kkathman> dipnlik:  lol 256mb of ram??? lol  thats a tall order for sure :)
[02:34] <Bilford> dipnlik, the Virtual Memory isnt memory being used, it's hard drive space on your swap
[02:34] <ctothej> RogueJediX: ok. ill give it a shot
[02:34] <joh6nn> dipnlik: windows XP doesn't do very well with only 256M, either
[02:35] <dipnlik> joh6nn: oh oh oh it very well does!
[02:35] <semq> hi there
[02:35] <pestilence> dipnlik, it is.  if you really want to run in 256 megs or less, try xubuntu
[02:35] <joh6nn> dipnlik: er.  no.  no it doesn't.  not if you're running 4 or more very large apps at the same time, it doesn't
[02:35] <semq> i've problem at startup (before the login screen, system hangs): any log file I can edit to diagnoze the problem?
[02:36] <pestilence> semq, /var/log/syslog
[02:36] <dipnlik> joh6nn: i had winxp here and it worked very well with let's say itunes, firefox with 10tabs and an IM program
[02:36] <sampan> heh, no wonder i was getting so many errors ... that must be why -- the upgrade never got around to installing the new linux image even -- weird
[02:36] <linuxrebel> semq /var/log/messages and dmesg as well
[02:36] <semq> ty pestilence
[02:36] <semq> and linuxrebel
[02:36] <pestilence> dipnlik, well, it will work in ubuntu too....it just might swap a little more than you would like (i'm sure it swaps in windows too)
[02:37] <sampan> fresh upgrade and adept updater says 537 packages to upgrade
[02:37] <dipnlik> joh6nn: swap? yes. 3 minute lag? not at all
[02:37] <pestilence> let's not get into a pissing contest, please
[02:38] <dipnlik> pestilence: ok, sorry. i just didn't think kde apps were using that much memory
[02:38] <semq> i can't open gedit: cannot open display
[02:38] <ron_> my printer uses hpijs, which is already installed, how do i get it to use that driver?
[02:38] <joh6nn> semq: try kate
[02:38] <dipnlik> well, i'll try xubuntu then. does anyone know what is the default xubuntu music player?
[02:38] <pestilence> dipnlik, i've ran kde on 256 megs of memory, it works.
[02:39] <semq> ok
[02:39] <pestilence> dipnlik, it's just slower than with unlimited memory :)
[02:39] <joh6nn> is there any way for me to switch Kubuntu back to using /mnt , instead of using /media ?
[02:39] <linuxrebel> IIRC dipnik it's xmms ... but amorok etc do run under it.
[02:39] <JavaGeek> mmm, no tomcat5.5 packages on ubuntu
[02:40] <h3sp4wn> I have just come to the conclusion that a vanilla kernel with the real time patches makes the system feel much more responsive than the dapper one
[02:41] <linuxrebel> h3sp4wn:  IMHO a custom kernel always snaps better than a generic one.
[02:41] <semq> nano worked johan
[02:41] <semq> ty
[02:41] <joh6nn> np
[02:41] <dipnlik> linuxrebel: i want to go away from amaroK, it is eating my ram :P i'll go xubuntu now
[02:42] <Bilford> dipnlik, try  XMMS
[02:42] <h3sp4wn> linuxrebel: I didn't do a massive amount of customization just installed the one patch
[02:42] <Bilford> XMMS is liek WinAmp
[02:42] <joh6nn> dipnlik: how many songs do you have loaded in amarok?
[02:42] <dipnlik> joh6nn: +-2500 in the collection. in the playlist, never more than 50
[02:43] <mongey> anyone wanna seed the 64bit dvd ?
[02:43] <dipnlik> Bilford: xmms is just a player, i want a manager, like itunes, mediamonkey, amarok or gmusicbrowser.
[02:44] <Bilford> ok
[02:44] <dipnlik> Bilford: player for player, maybe mp3blaster is better ;-)
[02:44] <linuxrebel> xmms does have the manager... in plugins just not as full of eye candy.  however amorok does run under xfce....
[02:45] <xwolf-> adept seems to have freezed in:
[02:45] <xwolf-> Descompactando substituto slocate ...
[02:45] <xwolf-> dpkg run finished!
[02:45] <pestilence> dipnlik, amarok is the best, in my opinion.  sorry :)
[02:45] <semq> eth0: no ipv6 routers present
[02:45] <linuxrebel> Myself I use XMMS even still <-- old fart
[02:45] <dipnlik> linuxrebel: i'll try gmusicbrowser first, or rhythmbox, something like that
[02:46] <Bilford> XMMS plays ogg files better on my laptop
[02:46] <xwolf-> i shouldnt mess with it, should i?
[02:46] <Bilford> I use amarok on my desktop
[02:47] <dipnlik> i kinda like amarok
[02:48] <joh6nn> amarok is nice, but it's a bit slow.
[02:48] <joh6nn> it could definitely use some optimization, i think
[02:48] <linuxrebel> dipnik understood.  I'm as I said an old timer and have been using xmms for years... so I stick with it.  depends I gues on what you need
[02:49] <dipnlik> i need better ram usage ;-)
[02:49] <dipnlik> downloading xubuntu, hehe
[02:49] <linuxrebel> Me ... I need a way to really really stop breaking my install.... *grin*
[02:50] <semq> my system hangs at startup and i dunno why ( I edited log files)
[02:50] <linuxrebel> semq what's the last thing on the screen?
[02:51] <sampan> /etc/init.d/pcmcia: line 139:  2536 Segmentation fault      modprobe $PCIC $PCIC_OPTS >/dev/null 2>&1
[02:52] <joh6nn> sampan: are you on a laptop?
[02:52] <sampan> end of that line is : /etc/init.d/pcmcia: line 139:  2536 Segmentation fault      modprobe $PCIC $PCIC_OPTS >/dev/null 2>&1   ... i'm getting that error a lot -- any ideas
[02:52] <sampan> joh6nn  nope ... desktop
[02:52] <sampan> bah, my copy-paste skillz are sadly lacking
[02:52] <semq> configuring network interfaces ( i d/ced the ethernet cable)
[02:53] <linuxrebel> sudo apt-get remove pcmcia ..... should help sampan
[02:53] <joh6nn> sampan: well, pcmcia is laptop type stuff
[02:53] <sampan> k
[02:53] <joh6nn> yeah, you beat me to it, linuxrebel
[02:53] <semq> now it is:
[02:53] <linuxrebel> these fingers be a smokin today *grin*
[02:53] <sampan> it couldn't find package pcmia
[02:53] <sampan> :/
[02:53] <joh6nn> heh
[02:53] <semq> "running local boot scripts /etc/rc.local$
[02:53] <joh6nn> that's probably why it can't load it
[02:54] <sampan> lol -- so how do i remove it from trying to load the darn thing?  (sorry, newb question)
[02:54] <joh6nn> sampan, open SystemSettings
[02:54] <sampan> kk
[02:54] <DaSkreec1> DaSkreech:  Get off!
[02:54] <DaSkreec1> So whos on Edgy?
[02:55] <crimsun> there is no edgy.
[02:55] <joh6nn> on the bottom, from the right, there's the stoplight, that says System Services
[02:55] <crimsun> [yet] 
[02:55] <linuxrebel> try removing pcmciautils sampan..... I've got to many different boxes... get names wrong
[02:55] <semq> system hangs just after "running local boot scripts /etc/rc.local"
[02:55] <sampan> joh6nn  okay ... gotcha
[02:55] <joh6nn> linuxrebel: do you know anything about the reason why /mnt was moved to /media ?
[02:56] <zblach> hi. as a kubuntu user of 8 months, let me just say this: 6.06 is pretty awesome
[02:56] <linuxrebel> Actually yes.  They have changed things in the Linux Standards Base and Posix.  etc.. /media and /svn have been added
[02:56] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Think it was basically to differentiate between transient and permanent mounts...
[02:56] <sampan> joh6nn  in system services ... both pcmcia and pcmciautils are set not to load at boot and are not running (run lvl 2)
[02:56] <linuxrebel> and Yes iwilcox...
[02:57] <iwilcox> linuxrebel: You mean /srv ? :)
[02:57] <zblach> but this is the first time i've ever installed *nix onto a laptop, and i'm having a small amount of weirdness. anyone up to helping me out with a few things?
[02:57] <load> anyone know why I would loose eth0 in 2.6.15 in dapper?  The e100 module gets loaded, it knows where the card is, reads the mac address, but eth0 won't come up.
[02:57] <joh6nn> sampan: what about run level one?
[02:57] <sampan> joh6nn  same
[02:57] <zblach> little things like widescreen compatibility
[02:57] <joh6nn> sampan: no idea what to tell you, then.
[02:57] <zblach> everything is s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d out strangely
[02:58] <linuxrebel> semq do you know what is in the file /etc/rc.local or are you locked out completely
[02:58] <sampan> joh6nn  i think i might have typoed the package name in the apt command to remove -- they safe to remove completely i take it?
[02:58] <joh6nn> sampan: so far as i know, it should be completely safe to remove
[02:58] <linuxrebel> If you are on a desktop sampan yes.  pcmcia is for laptops only.
[02:59] <semq> not completely locked i can CRTL ALT F1
[02:59] <semq> ill try to edit the file
[02:59] <joh6nn> linuxrebel & iwilcox: do you guys know how hard it would be for me to switch back to using /mnt exclusively? i'd like to free up /media for my own use
[02:59] <joh6nn> you know, to use for all my media stuff
[02:59] <zblach> maybe even use of some of my keyboard buttons?
[02:59] <zblach> :(
[02:59] <joh6nn> zblach: ah, the laptop keyboard buttons
[02:59] <linuxrebel> edit /etc/fstab and change /media to /mnt where you need it.
[03:00] <joh6nn> those, my friend, are mainly a pipe dream
[03:00] <joh6nn> if you get those working, you have lived the impossible dream.  you pull that off, and you can die happy
[03:00] <zblach> ? it's like vol+ and vol-, how hard can that be?
[03:00] <joh6nn> massively hard
[03:00] <semq> rc.locl :
[03:00] <joh6nn> they're always undocumented proprietary stuff.  i've asked kernel hackers about them before
[03:01] <semq> exit = 0
[03:01] <sampan> k, try to reboot and see what's up -- still getting the auto-updater saying three packages are upgradeable after upgrading them four times :/
[03:01] <semq> no
[03:01] <semq> exit 0
[03:01] <zblach> i'd've thought laptop buttons would be far easier than kbbuttons, as lots of laptop kbs are standardized
[03:01] <zblach> like, kcontrol has built in options for some laptops
[03:01] <zblach> but not mine :S
[03:01] <thompa> !dvd
[03:01] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[03:01] <joh6nn> yeah, it has them, but getting them to work is different
[03:01] <linuxrebel> hmm. semq... But you are at the command line correct?
[03:01] <semq> file is almost empty
[03:02] <semq> nano
[03:02] <semq> yes
[03:02] <joh6nn> zblach: yeah, the keyboards on laptops tend to be standard, but the laptop buttons usually aren't part of the keyboard
[03:02] <semq> this is comment : "by default, this file does nothing"
[03:03] <joh6nn> like, i've got a thinkpad here, and the extra buttons are completely separate from the keyboard
[03:03] <ron_> on hte add printer wizard when i get to the local port selection it lists my printer, hp psc-1510 twice, which one should i use, and how do i get it to use the driver, hpijs, which is already installed??
[03:03] <linuxrebel> semq if you type sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart ...... what happens
[03:03] <zblach> joh6nn: drat. can anything be done about widescreen?
[03:03] <linuxrebel> zblach... we could shoot speilberg... but I don't think that is what you wanted... *grin*
[03:04] <joh6nn> zblach: probably, but X isn't my thing, so you're better off asking someone else if you run into trouble.  my guess is that you either haven't got the right driver, or it's not configured properly
[03:04] <semq> ok I do that
[03:04] <zblach> i'm pretty familiar with xorg configing
[03:04] <joh6nn> zblach: then probably you haven't got the right driver
[03:04] <zblach> :S
[03:05] <joh6nn> hunt around with apt-caches search and see what you can see
[03:05] <semq> etc/init.d/kdm command not found
[03:05] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I've got a thinkpad here, and all the funky buttons are entirely configurable under Linux AFAIK
[03:05] <joh6nn> iwilcox: in theory, yes.  in practice, i have never gotten it working successfully
[03:05] <iwilcox> joh6nn: What can you not do?
[03:06] <zblach> iwilcox: cool, can you help me out?
[03:06] <linuxrebel> joh6nn do you have the thinkpad pkgs installed
[03:06] <iwilcox> zblach: Only if it's a thinkpad :)
[03:06] <zblach> drat. i'm on an HP Pavillion
[03:06] <CheeseBurgerMan> What's the problem?
[03:06] <linuxrebel> zblach this program/site might help http://lineak.sourceforge.net/
[03:07] <iwilcox> zblach: Well, a little googling and you never know.  As proprietary as these things are, *someone* usually figures them out.
[03:07] <joh6nn> iwilcox: it's been a long time since i've bothered with it, but as i remember it, i went through on the steps listed, and got through it without any obvious errors, and still couldn't get the buttons to do anything when pushed
[03:08] <iwilcox> joh6nn: OK, but what buttons were you trying to change the behaviour of?
[03:08] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: It's a testament to a space tourist
[03:08] <linuxrebel> amen DaSkreec1
[03:08] <zblach> iwilcox, linuxrebel: wow. i've been looking for stuff like this for a while. thanks!
[03:08] <iwilcox> zblach: Google is your friend.
[03:09] <joh6nn> iwilcox: i have 4 buttons at the top, one that says thinkpad, one that's got a little home icon, one with a magnifying icon, and one with a mail icon
[03:09] <linuxrebel> iwilcox have you noticed how rtfm has been replaced with "google is your friend"
[03:09] <iwilcox> Yup, I think tpb manages all those.
[03:10] <joh6nn> tbp?
[03:10] <joh6nn> is that the name of the kernel module?  it's been quite a while
[03:10] <iwilcox> linuxrebel: Yeah.  One day they're gonna start charging like $0.00001 a search, and everyone'll pay it 'cause it's peanuts, but as everyone relies on google all the time, they'll make billions :) </joking>
[03:10] <GameOver69> hey can someone help me with network manager
[03:10] <GameOver69> it seems to no longer find any of my wirelness hardware, thus no networks to choose from
[03:10] <zblach> cool. one of the buttons works no problem
[03:10] <linuxrebel> No lie iwilcox.
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: What hardware?
[03:11] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I think it means "ThinkPad Buttons", and no, it's a userspace daemon - think it talks to the keyboard via /dev/nvram.
[03:11] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: Were you using ndiswrapper when the hardware was found?
[03:11] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: not that... how to use it
[03:11] <DaSkreec1> you mean how to post bugs?
[03:11] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, yes and it has been working great since with network manager
[03:11] <JavaGeek> basically, I want to know if someone is working on creating tomcat 5.5 packages
[03:11] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, now im  on vacation
[03:12] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, and it doesnt find anything
[03:12] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: It doesn't find the hardware anymore?
[03:12] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, i have 2 wireless hardware, one internal, and a linksys card external
[03:12] <joh6nn> iwilcox: is that different from what's listed in kcontrol?
[03:12] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: if the package isn't there, should I post a bug?
[03:12] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, network manager doesnt, i have to start it manually in konsole with iwconfig
[03:13] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Which package?
[03:13] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: tomcat 5.5
[03:13] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I guess it's the same thing.  Hadn't seen the kcontrol one til now :)
[03:13] <DaSkreec1> ah that can't be included :)
[03:13] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: I only see tomcat 5.0.30-9
[03:13] <joh6nn> hrm
[03:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: What's 'network manager'?
[03:14] <joh6nn> well, i was never able to get it working
[03:14] <linuxrebel> http://www.jpackage.org/ might have it for debian in general JavaGeek
[03:14] <joh6nn> but it's no big deal; i've been working without it for so long now, i'm so used to not having it, that having it would take forever to get used to
[03:14] <joh6nn> i'd have to change my work patterns again
[03:14] <sampan> okay -- so there's no sound ... no xmms/bmp/amarok -- not even system bell :/
[03:14] <JavaGeek> linuxrebel: i don't want it for debian in general, I want it for (k)ubuntu
[03:14] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, program that makes it pretty much effortless to connect to networks.... kinda like windows network manger where you can select what wireless networks to choose from
[03:14] <iwilcox> joh6nn: I don't tend to give up easily on such things :)
[03:14] <sampan> kmix shows master output is on and full ... pcm is on and full
[03:14] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ah, that 'Wireless Assistant' thing.
[03:14] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, its what kwifimanger should be to put it in simple terms
[03:15] <sampan> cat /proc/asound/cards shows my SBLive card just fine
[03:15] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Except for the fingerprint reader on this one, as I really couldn't care less about it working.
[03:15] <joh6nn> iwilcox: i gave up when i realized that the pay off for continuing to mess with it wasn't worth the effort i'd spent on it
[03:15] <linuxrebel> yes But that is where they will first appear .... then filter down.   These guys are the clearing house for all java on Linux it seems
[03:16] <JavaGeek> linuxrebel: which is why i want to know how to use launchpad and start producing packages for ubuntu :)
[03:16] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: In any case for that you would e-mail the maintainer. It's not a matter of a system failure just system timing I think
[03:16] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Oh you want to maintain it :)
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: I haven't a clue why it doesn't work.
[03:16] <CheeseBurgerMan> Sorry. :(
[03:16] <JavaGeek> DaSkreec1: so, launchpad is only for bugs?
[03:16] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: you are a brave, brave idiot
[03:16] <joh6nn> god bless you
[03:17] <linuxrebel> Ah... I'm not yet savvy on .deb building I've worked over from the rpm and tgz worlds
[03:17] <GameOver69> :(
[03:17] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Hit the wiki :) It'll point you in the right way
[03:17] <JavaGeek> joh6nn: thank you for your support :)
[03:17] <sampan> anyone else upgraded to dapper and have their sound inexplicably go poof?
[03:17] <GameOver69> ok well hers a question, i uninstalled then reinstalled the packages, but it still retains all the previous settings
[03:17] <GameOver69> anyway i can reset previous settings to see if it will work then?
[03:17] <ron_> when i go to localhost:631 and add a printer that way, it shows hpijs, but it won't let me add the printer cuz i don't have admin rights.  how do i get admin rights?
[03:17] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Actually, there is one thing I want which I've left alone so far - HDAPS - the "drop the laptop and the hard disk automatically parks before things get messy" thing
[03:18] <JavaGeek> linuxrebel: plus, jpackage has had tomcat-5.5 packages for a while
[03:18] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: you know that you can have either a family, or maintain packages, but not both at the same time, right?
[03:18] <JavaGeek> joh6nn: well, I *do* have a family... :S
[03:18] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: You may want to purge instead of uninstalling
[03:18] <linuxrebel> joh6nn yes but then the screen is busted and it makes little diff.... *grin*
[03:18] <iwilcox> joh6nn: Anyway - you should have a browse of www.thinkwiki.org .  Most hardware on thinkpads has been made to work to some extent, and if it hasn't, you'll find out there when it does.
[03:19] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, how do i do that, and what does that do
[03:19] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: You are using adept?
[03:20] <linuxrebel> Yes but locally we are still using 5.0.something.... we move slowly.
[03:20] <linuxrebel> locally being my company
[03:20] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, yes
[03:20] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: if you've got a family, package maintainence is not for you
[03:20] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: Right click the package and select purge
[03:21] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, do i uninstall it first
[03:21] <DaSkreec1> joh6nn: He could make it a family event? :)
[03:21] <DaSkreec1> GameOver69: No purging does that
[03:21] <joh6nn> DaSkreec1: an interesting thought.  let the kids run the compile farm?
[03:21] <CheeseBurgerMan> DaSkreec1: Perfect! 'Gather round, kids. We're gonna learn how to make Debian packages!'
[03:21] <DaSkreec1> joh6nn: Yeah put them on treadmills to power the computers
[03:22] <DaSkreec1> JavaGeek: Join #kubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-devel for the path to family closeness!
[03:22] <linuxrebel> <== wife is threatening to do that to me.......
[03:22] <GameOver69> DaSkreec1, ok after it purges... then what do i do?
[03:22] <DaSkreec1> Then you can try reinstall
[03:22] <DaSkreec1> The settings should be gone
[03:23] <GameOver69> oh so i still have to reinstall everything
[03:23] <linuxrebel> well all work day done ... highway is as clear as it will ever be locally.... I'm off to family land myself
[03:23] <altprsona> how can i check my os version., and how do i check my drivers for there versions?
[03:23] <altprsona> pls
[03:23] <joh6nn> JavaGeek: in all seriousness, though, it's always nice to see someone pick up the torch
[03:23] <joh6nn> best of luck to you
[03:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> GameOver69: Not everything, just that package.
[03:23] <CheeseBurgerMan> altprsona: os version? You mean the kernel version?
[03:23] <GameOver69> CheeseBurgerMan, ok got it
[03:24] <altprsona> id take both?
[03:24] <Blake7984> trying to install kubuntu and create a software raid 1 mirroring array following:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178400    however, i never see a raid option...how do i do what hes talking about in step 3/4
[03:24] <DaSkreec1> linuxrebel: See ya man!
[03:24] <linuxrebel> cat /proc/version and/or cat /etc/*release (don't forget the star)
[03:24] <altprsona> iv just done an update/upgrade from breezy to dapper, adn i want to check it all...
[03:25] <CheeseBurgerMan> altprsona: 'uname -r && kded --version'
[03:25] <linuxrebel> peace all back when I reach the other net connection.
[03:25] <sampan> i am attempting to get my sound working -- anyone feel like tackling a tough issue (perhaps) and gain that sense of pride at mastering linux sound?
[03:25] <joh6nn> sampan: what's your problem?
[03:25] <JavaGeek> joh6nn: thx... well, I first want to see what the deal is
[03:26] <altprsona> that basicaly worked, didnt verify the dapper...
[03:26] <sampan> joh6nn  no sound at all ... not even system bell ... i checked cat /proc/asound/cards -- card (SBLive) shows up just fine
[03:26] <sampan> joh6nn  and lspci shows that the multimedia controller for the card is loaded
[03:26] <joh6nn> sampan: check the volume/mute situation
[03:27] <sampan> joh6nn  and kmix and alsamixer both show master and PCM working and at 100%
[03:27] <sampan> (green lights on and sliders to the max)
[03:27] <joh6nn> you know enough to make sure PCM is working, so i'll trust you.  ; )
[03:28] <joh6nn> what's your output device?
[03:28] <Blake7984> software raid help anyone?
[03:28] <Hawkwind> I've just installed Kubuntu and am having problems getting inet access.  It appears that my bcast IP# is incorrect.  It's set to 192.168.15.255 when it needs to be 192.168.1.255   How can I change this ?
[03:28] <joh6nn> Blake7984: i'd say that's a question for straight up #linux
[03:28] <sampan> joh6nn  2.1 sound ... just a simple cord into the subwoofer and from thence off into two small speakers -- worked perfect with breezy (until an hour ago when i upgraded)
[03:29] <Blake7984> joh6nn i was basing it on a link given here:  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=178400   i just dont see anything about raid like he says in step 4
[03:29] <joh6nn> sampan: ok, what's your audio device set to?
[03:30] <Hawkwind> Can anyone tell me how I can change this bcast IP# so I can possibly get internet access ?
[03:30] <joh6nn> sampan: also, have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[03:30] <joh6nn> Hawkwind: sorry, no idea
[03:31] <Hawkwind> joh6nn: Heh thanks.  I actually just got it
[03:31] <sampan> joh6nn  oh in sys-settings the audio "hardware" is set to autodetect -- there's a bunch of things in the drop down but ... not sure which is what actually (sound just worked with breezy so i never touched it)
[03:31] <joh6nn> sampan: have you rebooted since you updated?
[03:32] <sampan> joh6nn  yeah i have -- three times actually
[03:32] <joh6nn> ah well.  i figured, hey, it fixes windows
[03:32] <sampan> hehehehe
[03:32] <joh6nn> Blake7984: hrm.  i've never seen that as an option either
[03:33] <Blake7984> hmm....now im wondering how to do this
[03:33] <Blake7984> was trying to use hardware raid...but as discovered on that and other postings....apparently my nvidia hardware raid isnt hardware raid
[03:34] <Hawkwind> Ok well I've got inet access, but apt-get install <package> gives me nothing.  Do I need to set something up somewhere so it can pull from online sources ?
[03:34] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: Try using 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:35] <joh6nn> Hawkwind: if it's a brand new install, you normally have to change your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:36] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: And use your password
[03:36] <Hawkwind> CheeseBurgerMan: Ahhh that did some stuff.  Now it's asking me for the CD which I don't want to use.  I want to use online sources
[03:36] <sampan> i wonder ... for some reason libarts1c2 is not installed and i can't install it with adept -- it won't even let me select it
[03:36] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: Edit your sources.list, and comment out the line with the CD.
[03:36] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: do you prefer the GUI or the CLI?
[03:37] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: CLI if at all possible, but GUI would work too if I had to use it
[03:37] <joh6nn> sampan: that could potentially be problematic for sound type things, eh?
[03:37] <joh6nn> sampan: try it from a terminal with apt
[03:37] <Hawkwind> I'm a 4+ year Mandrake/Mandriva user, so I'm totally new to Ubuntu
[03:37] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <sampan> joh6nn  yeah... trying that now
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hawkwind: In that case, run 'sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list' (or whatever cli text editor you prefer)
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Rats :P
[03:37] <zblach> hi
[03:37] <DaSkreec1> and comment out the cdrom line
[03:37] <CheeseBurgerMan> Hello, zblach
[03:38] <zblach> i just found out about xev. does this mean I can map my cool laptop media keys now?
[03:38] <joh6nn> zblach: make any progress?
[03:38] <zblach> joh6nn: 915(something) gave me widescreen
[03:38] <joh6nn> ; D
[03:38] <zblach> and my wireless & touchpad cutoff keys work by default
[03:38] <joh6nn> neat!
[03:38] <zblach> very neat
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Ok, got the cdrom commented out.  Now, how do I add more mirrors to choose from, and how can I get regular everyday xchat ?
[03:38] <Hawkwind> Seems all that is available is xchat-gnome
[03:39] <zblach> also neat is the fact that xev picks up all my media keys
[03:39] <sampan> joh6nn  it says no installation candidate -- not in the package lists, but referred to by another package -- ugh
[03:39] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: Kubuntu?
[03:39] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: Yes,  6.06 as of today
[03:39] <zblach> what can I actually do with xev's information?
[03:39] <DaSkreec1> Try konversation :)
[03:39] <joh6nn> sampan: try apt-get update && apt-get install libarts1c2
[03:39] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: No thanks.  I'm an xchat developer
[03:40] <zblach> DaSkreec1: pwned
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> haha
[03:40] <DaSkreec1> Hawkwind: Koolness! Add universe and multiverse to your sources
[03:40] <CheeseBurgerMan> !sources
[03:40] <DaSkreec1> !tell Hawkwind about universe
[03:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[03:40] <Hawkwind> DaSkreec1: Thanks
[03:41] <sampan> joh6nn  yeah, it's been obsoleted by a package that is already installed
[03:41] <sampan> so i'm back to square one
[03:41] <rjamorim> Hello. Would somebody in here be available to help me troubleshoot installing Kubuntu 6.06? The installation process invariably hangs when I tell it I want to manually edit the partitions of my SCSI disk
[03:41] <joh6nn> sampan: try uninstalling it and then re-installing it
[03:41] <boga> rjamorim: disabke ACPI at boot
[03:42] <rjamorim> It's an IBM Ultra3 18GB, on an Adaptec 39160 adapter card
[03:42] <joh6nn> sampan: after that, try jiggling the handle
[03:42] <rjamorim> boga: thanks, I'll try that
[03:42] <dontm> during dapper upgrade it asked me if i wanted to keep my current X settings or use the package mantainers
[03:42] <ubuntu> hello?
[03:42] <ubuntu> can anyone help m
[03:42] <joh6nn> sampan: if neither of those work, turn the radio off, but turn the windshield wipers on
[03:42] <dontm> and it said default is keep urs but the real default is use pkg maintainer's.  that should be updated
[03:42] <rjamorim> I'll reboot now. Will be back if it still won't work :P
[03:43] <sampan> joh6nn  -- lol -- thanks for trying man :)
[03:43] <dontm> just needs to be consistent
[03:43] <MrObvious> Hi
[03:43] <ubuntu> does anyone know how to install ubuntu on a rraid
[03:43] <load> ok, I'm having a serious problem with the e100 drivers on 2.6.15 in dapper
[03:43] <ubuntu> *raid
[03:43] <ubuntu> or is it imposible
[03:43] <MrObvious> Who here has got a wireless WMP54GS made by Linksys to work with today's release?
[03:43] <load> I can't bring up eth0, the driver sees the card, but thinks it's on IRQ 225
[03:44] <joh6nn> sampan: good luck man.  i'm out for the night
[03:44] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: hardware raid?
[03:44] <DaSkreec1> zblach: Hey I like choice :-)
[03:44] <ubuntu> yeah
[03:44] <load> I unloaded and reloaded the module, still nothing
[03:45] <ubuntu> harddrive raid
[03:45] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: :-)
[03:45] <ubuntu> I have two 160gb drives I bought with this machine from sony
[03:45] <ubuntu> and its says they are raid
[03:45] <DaSkreec1> I mean is the hardware implemented in hardware or in software?
[03:45] <DaSkreec1> Ah then it shouldn't be an issue
[03:45] <Blake7984> hes probably in the same boat as me....onboard hardware raid which is not really hardware raid
[03:46] <ubuntu> everything works fine until I have to partition
[03:46] <Blake7984> does it show up as 2 seperate drives, or just as 1?
[03:46] <ubuntu> it gives me dev/sda
[03:46] <ubuntu> and dev/sdb
[03:46] <Blake7984> hehe yep, same as me...its not hardware raid
[03:46] <ubuntu> and I try to partition one, but it keeps trying to delete all the data
[03:47] <ubuntu> is there like a guide or something to do this
[03:47] <Blake7984> trying to figure out how myself
[03:47] <DaSkreec1> Blake7984: Get on it man :)
[03:47] <ubuntu> or, as I said originially, is it impossible
[03:47] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: what machine?
[03:47] <Blake7984> DaSkreec1 im still actually really pissed that ive been deceived so bad....i cant believe all these onboard "hardware" raids are actually software
[03:47] <ubuntu> Windows XP, Sony VGC-RC 210G
[03:48] <Blake7984> anyways im just trying to figure out how to do software raid now
[03:48] <ubuntu> h,,
[03:48] <zblach> thanks guys, good night
[03:49] <DaSkreec1> ubuntu: It says "RAID ready"
[03:49] <dontm> !version
[03:49] <ubotu> To find out what ubuntu version you have type ''lsb_release -a'' in a terminal.
[03:49] <ubuntu> I'm tyring to install the newest one
[03:49] <ubuntu> dapper drake 6.06
[03:49] <dontm> just upgraded to dapper
[03:49] <dontm> happy dapper day all!
[03:50] <kkathman> lol
[03:50] <ubuntu> the two options I have are:
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> Thanks, and a very happy dapper day you! :P
[03:50] <DaSkreec1> Right. I think that you may have to make some changes in the RAID BIOS
[03:50] <DaSkreec1> Blake7984: Did you check out the BIOS settings?
[03:50] <dontm> kkathman: that didnt stop me from calling in sick =-)
[03:51] <Blake7984> DaSkreec1 yea i used to have raid enabled in it back in the windows days...trying ubuntu now and disabled raid as most guides have suggested
[03:51] <ubuntu> dev/sda: SCSI1 (0,0,0,)(sda) - 160.0 GB ATA ST3160023AS
[03:51] <Blake7984> with raid emabled or disabled, ubuntu still sees sda and sdb
[03:51] <ubuntu> same thing on the seocond one except sda=sdb
[03:51] <Blake7984> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FakeRaidHowto  that page explains the situation well
[03:51] <dontm> anyone know how to set up konversation to auto identify?
[03:51] <DaSkreec1> Wow
[03:52] <kkathman> dontm:  lucky :)
[03:52] <kkathman> dontm sure ... cant you just issue an /msg identify.. on sign in?
[03:52] <kkathman> I do that in kvirc
[03:52] <kkathman> Im sure konv has it
[03:53] <dontm> kkathman: yes well obviously
[03:53] <dontm> kkathman: was asking if there is a client construct to do so
[03:53] <kkathman> hmm
[03:53] <ubuntu> whats gparted
[03:54] <kkathman> seems like I did that before I went to kvirc
[03:54] <ubuntu> I can't find it anywhere
[03:54] <crimsun> you probably want qtparted or something
[03:54] <crimsun> gparted is gtk-based iirc
[03:54] <dontm> what?!
[03:54] <ubuntu> uggh
[03:54] <dontm> gparted is a partition manager
[03:54] <CheeseBurgerMan> dontm: So is qtparted.
[03:54] <rjamorim> Hello, Im the guy having Kubuntu install displaying kooky behaviour when it goes to the partitioning part. Its probably because Im trying to install it on an IBM SCSI disk attached to an Adaptec adapter
[03:54] <ubuntu> where do I get it
[03:55] <ubuntu> srry
[03:55] <ubuntu> found it
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> ubuntu: 'sudo apt-get install qtparted' should work.
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
[03:55] <rjamorim> Anyway, the installer keeps hanging after I tell it I want to manually set up partitions
[03:55] <crimsun> dontm: they're both frontends to libparted
[03:55] <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
[03:55] <dontm> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/
[03:55] <dontm> [15:19]  <crimsun> gparted is gtk-based iirc
[03:55] <rjamorim> I already disabled ACPI at both the BIOS and the boot
[03:55] <rjamorim> So, any ideas... :/
[03:56] <crimsun> dontm: "It is a graphical editor which uses libparted to detect and manipulate..."
[03:57] <crimsun> directly from gparted's Description
[03:57] <larrywells> So is Badger ready for upgrade?
[03:57] <larrywells> I have breeze now
[03:57] <dontm> crimsun: i know exactly what is
[03:57] <dontm> crimsun: u made a typo
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> larrywells: Yes.
[03:57] <dontm> crimsun: u said it was gtk-based iirc
[03:57] <crimsun> dontm: I did?
[03:57] <dontm> heh
[03:57] <kkathman> larrywells:  no, I wouldnt dist-upgrade
[03:57] <larrywells> Why not
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> kkathman: You wouldn't?
[03:57] <CheeseBurgerMan> I did :P
[03:57] <kkathman> CheeseBurgerMan:  its a 50-50 proposition right now
[03:57] <crimsun> Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.0.2-2), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.10-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.10.0), libglibmm-2.4-1c2a, libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libparted1.6-13 (>= 1.6.24), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libsigc++-2.0-0c2a (>= 2.0.2), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libuuid1, libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixe
[03:57] <kkathman> Im hearing the devs say its about a 50-50
[03:57] <crimsun> looks pretty gtk-based to me.
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> That's not good, considering that it's the final release.
[03:58] <rjamorim> the installation hangs here: http://www.rarewares.org/rja/snapshot1.png
[03:58] <larrywells> 50-50?
[03:58] <kkathman> CheeseBurgerMan:  yah I know
[03:58] <dontm> crimsun: how is that iirc?
[03:58] <kkathman> there are probs with kdelibs
[03:58] <dontm> crimsun: dont u mean gtk-based partition manager, not iirc? heh
[03:58] <kkathman> its apparently gets in a sequence that kills the install
[03:58] <crimsun> dontm: If I Remember Correctly
[03:58] <larrywells> I do not really want a fresh install, I have many things set up just the way I like
[03:58] <dontm> kkathman: i just ran dist-upgrade just fine
[03:59] <dontm> updated my source list
[03:59] <dontm> updated the headers
[03:59] <kkathman> dontm:  I know...I said it was 50-50
[03:59] <crimsun> dontm: how did you interpret my statement, heh?
[03:59] <dontm> oh heh
[03:59] <kkathman> Im just passing the message along
[03:59] <dontm> crimsun: i thought u were typo'ing irc
[03:59] <kkathman> back up for sure
[03:59] <kkathman> bbl
[03:59] <larrywells> So maybe I should do it later?
[03:59] <dontm> crimsun: never seen iirc as an abbr lol
[03:59] <dontm> crimsun: i also usually capitalize abbr's too heh
[04:00] <crimsun> too lazy to use shift/caps, sorry :-)
[04:00] <DaSkreec1> larrywells: Back up your home folder + data
[04:00] <CheeseBurgerMan> kkathman: That's Ubiquity, not an upgrade
[04:00] <dontm> crimsun: no worries but yeah we agree lol
[04:00] <DaSkreec1> Hey.. Is there a way to dump the packages installed from the apt database?
[04:00] <dontm> DaSkreec1: what do u mean?
[04:00] <larrywells> I will try it later
[04:00] <larrywells> No need to rush into it anyway
[04:01] <DaSkreec1> dontm: about?
[04:01] <dontm> DaSkreec1: dumping from the database.  elaborate
[04:02] <sampan> *grrrr* and the upgrade removed OOo too ... sheesh -- this has/is far from painless
[04:02] <DaSkreec1> dontm: How do I get the list of installed application?
[04:02] <dontm> DaSkreec1: use adept or synaptics
[04:02] <dontm> package manager
[04:02] <dontm> DaSkreec1: under the System menu
[04:02] <dontm> Kmenu->System->Adept
[04:02] <DaSkreec1> right
[04:02] <DaSkreec1> and how do I get a list of the apps to e-mail?
[04:02] <dontm> DaSkreec1: u can then sort by what is installed
[04:03] <dontm> DaSkreec1: you want a new email app?
[04:03] <dontm> DaSkreec1: type "email" into the "quick filter" field
[04:03] <dontm> DaSkreec1: i reco mozilla thunderbird or kmail
[04:06] <dontm> is there a better kde irc client than konversation?
[04:06] <dontm> is kirc better?
[04:09] <seth> I prefer Konversation to kvirc and kirc
[04:09] <seth> by a lot
[04:11] <ctothej> how can i configure ALSA so that it recognizes a 5.1 surround system?
[04:12] <ron_> thank you for your help with my printing matter, i finally got it working.
[04:15] <DaSkreec1> dontm: Ok you missed my point :)
[04:15] <saj> whats command for installing KDE on ubuntu again guys?
[04:15] <saj> i forgot:(
[04:16] <sampan> saj   sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:16] <saj> sampan: thnx mate
[04:17] <sampan> sure :)
[04:17] <ctothej> how do i enable 5.1 surround sound?
[04:17] <DaSkreec1> dontm; You missed my point :)
[04:18] <sampan> how do i enable SKIM on a freshly upgraded dapper?
[04:18] <saj> hmmm this is dodgy:S
[04:18] <saj> where is userlost gone...
[04:18] <saj> using X-chat...latest.
[04:20] <me2win> sampan: try dragging it out from the right side
[04:20] <ron_> i think i have a pretty simple question for you all... when setting up kubuntu, i forgot to put in a swap file... i recently used qtparted to add another partition and made it a swap... how do i get linux to recognize and use it now??
[04:21] <me2win> ron_: add it to your fstab
[04:21] <sampan> me2win  dragging what?  i need to know how to even activate SKIM in the first place -- the old shift-space key combo (used to be default for SCIM) doesn't work, so i suspect i have to activate it
[04:21] <DaSkreec1> dontm_: Umm Hello?
[04:21] <ron_> me2win: thanx.  how do u edit fstab in kubuntu?
[04:21] <dontm_> DaSkreec1: yeah im here what's up?
[04:22] <Blake7984> shit...installer just crashed while trying to do grub stuff
[04:22] <Blake7984> how would i continue where i left off
[04:22] <DaSkreec1> ah ha!
[04:22] <DaSkreec1> dontm_: you missed my point :)
[04:22] <me2win> ron_: run kate with super user privs, or sudo kate /etc/fstab
[04:22] <Kubuntite> Anyone know how to get Enemy-Territory sound working? I Killed ARTS
[04:24] <Blake7984> am i able to get the installer to resume?
[04:24] <dontm_> DaSkreec1: what is your point? sorry
[04:25] <DaSkreec1> dontm_: That I want an exported list (think text file) of the applications I have installed
[04:25] <dontm_> oh
[04:26] <jonathan_> Hey, how can I let my wife install games without adding her to sudoers?
[04:27] <ron_> heh...i forgot how to find out which partition has my swap on it?  how can i find out?
[04:27] <ealm> my computer hangs randomly when watching movies... the same in both kaboodle and mplayer
[04:27] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: from adept?
[04:27] <Dasnipa`> ron_, fdisk
[04:28] <jonathan_> yes
[04:28] <DaSkreec1> ealm: hard hangs or glitches?
[04:28] <_rince_> mrgn
[04:28] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: Umm she can't run adept without sudo as far as I know
[04:29] <ealm> DaSkreec1 hard hangs as in not even ctrl-alt-del works... I need to swith off the power
[04:29] <jonathan_> so she has to have full rights to be able to get games?
[04:29] <DaSkreec1> ealm: Ah that sucks. Codec maybe?
[04:30] <jonathan_> there's no other way?
[04:30] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: You could install games for her
[04:30] <jonathan_> Guess so
[04:30] <claydoh> add her user account to the admin group
[04:30] <ealm> DaSkreec1: how do I figure out? its the same with all divx movies so far
[04:30] <claydoh> under system settings/ users and groups
[04:31] <claydoh> but that makes her full sudo iirc
[04:31] <_nano_> jonathan_: or you could look for tar.gz binaries of the games, those  could be just extracted and used on the fly
[04:31] <DaSkreec1> claydoh: I think what he's trying to get at is he wants her to install only games and no other types of apps
[04:31] <claydoh> tricky
[04:32] <sampan> gah, how do i add a language?  in the regional&accessibility --> country/region & language section -- i can only get English
[04:32] <jonathan_> Well I just didn't want to give her root privelages
[04:32] <ctothej> how do i force dhcp to get a new ip address?
[04:32] <load> is anyone else having problems with the e100 module and 2.6.15 in dapper?
[04:35] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: You can give her sudo just for adept if you like
[04:35] <\etc\bin> hi all, what does PREEMPT mean on my kernel uname
[04:35] <load> I can't get my network card to come up and I can't figure out why
[04:36] <pestilence> arg.  kubuntu dapper installer crashes!
[04:36] <jonathan_> DaSkreeci__How?
[04:38] <DaSkreec1> jonathan_: I Forget :) but I know you can turn on sudo for someone for a single app
[04:38] <DaSkreec1> You may want to man sudoers
[04:38] <\etc\bin> hi all, what does PREEMPT mean on my kernel uname
[04:38] <DaSkreec1> but I think the second (ALL) means All applications so you would replace that with adept
[04:39] <jonathan_> thanks, thats what I wanted.
[04:39] <jonathan_> thanks for the help
[04:40] <DaSkreec1> well try it out and let me know how it goes
[04:40] <jonathan_> ok
[04:40] <pestilence> so is there any way to install dapper similar to older methods?  or is it all through this new "live cd, click install" method
[04:40] <pestilence> ubuquity crashes on me
[04:41] <scorpion007> hi, my microsoft intellimouse keeps freezing up and I have to reload the usbhid module to get it working again briefly. How can I fix it?
[04:43] <DaSkreec1> pestilence: There should be an install CD as well as apt-get dist-upgrade methods
[04:44] <sampan> and i still can't add a language or figure out how to start SKIM  hrmmmm
[04:45] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: yes, i am booted on the "install cd" which i guess is also a live cd
[04:45] <DaSkreec1> Ah
[04:45] <DaSkreec1> That's a bit strange :) in that case check the start up menu
[04:45] <DaSkreec1> It will probably have an install option
[04:45] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: so any way of reverting to a non-ubuquity managed install?  stupid thing crashes.
[04:46] <DaSkreec1> reboot?
[04:46] <austrumi_xxx> has anyone here ever tried Enlightenment with ubuntu?
[04:46] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: i looked through the options documented *on* the cd, doesn't give an option to not boot into the live mode
[04:46] <DaSkreec1> Ah.. well they have a server CD then?
[04:46] <ealm> DaSkreec1: I've now tried with three movie players: mplayer, kaboodle and vlc... and it's always the same - after about 15 min video playback my computer frozes completely... tried with different movie files as well (though all are divx)
[04:46] <pestilence> DaSkreec1: i rebooted to run the cd media test...it passed
[04:47] <DaSkreec1> ealm: Right I think it may have something to do with the codec. Not sure what to do after that.....
[04:47] <DaSkreec1> You could try ##linux to see if anyone has a clue
[04:47] <ron_> in fstab, what is the mount point for a swap partition and what are the options?
[04:48] <CaBlGuY> greetings peeps..
[04:48] <CaBlGuY> anyone got dapper installed yet??
[04:48] <ctothej_> how do i set default applications for files?
[04:48] <pestilence> ealm: what output driver are you using in mplayer?
[04:48] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: undoubtedly
[04:48] <realjimshady> Anyone: in-place upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06 left me with no toolbar icons in Kate or Konqueror (despite trying several different themes & icon sets).  Also, launching GAIM gives a nondescriptive "system bus" error.  Any tips?  Thanks in advance!
[04:48] <ealm> pestilence: default
[04:48] <dontm> hrm
[04:49] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  well, I know some already had it but, was just seein how many new installs where around..
[04:49] <ealm> pestilence: dunno more than that.. Im just running it with mplayer, no settings changed
[04:49] <pestilence> ealm, try -vo xv?
[04:49] <dontm> every time i run adept updater i fetch list of updates and apply them and quit but they keep showing up as upgradeable in the tray.  same three udpates
[04:49] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: i'm trying to install it, but ubiquity crashes.
[04:49] <ealm> I never had this kind of crashes in plain debian btw, so my hardware shouldn't be a problem with linux
[04:50] <dickhall> hrm.. downloaded the dapper cd, k3b said the checksum was okay, but then the checksum verification failed after burn.. this happened to me when I tried out the beta, so I just gave up
[04:50] <ealm> pestilence: in debian I could run it in any movie player with default settings
[04:50] <pestilence> dickhall: sounds like bad media
[04:50] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  wow, sory to hear that, how many goes have u givin it so far??
[04:50] <dickhall> hrm
[04:50] <pestilence> ealm: debian probably has different conf files by default
[04:50] <sampan> dontm  i had that same problem -- look at the "action" part of the updater -- it's probably saying to leave them alone -- if you try to change to "install" them it will want to remove several other packages -- try right-clicking them and hit "purge"
[04:50] <dickhall> pretty old, cheap CDs, yeah
[04:50] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: 2, so it's repeatable.
[04:51] <ealm> pestilence: so how do I make it work with kaboodle?
[04:51] <CaBlGuY> I actaully installed Suse 10.1 today but support sux..
[04:51] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:51] <pestilence> ealm, i don't know, i use mplayer
[04:51] <dickhall> can you burn a CD iso on a DVD? I don't have any good quality CDs around, but I have good dvds...
[04:51] <CaBlGuY> I'm gettin dapper here b4 long and reinstallin it..
[04:51] <pestilence> dickhall, yes you can
[04:51] <dickhall> well, worth a shot then :)
[04:51] <dickhall> thanks
[04:52] <CaBlGuY> dickhall,  yes, just burn it as a "program" type CD or whatever that is..
[04:52] <pestilence> dickhall, just "pretend" it's a dvd iso.  it will burn just fine
[04:52] <dickhall> hrm.. k3b told me to insert an empty CD-R(W) into the drive
[04:52] <CaBlGuY> yea, what pestilence  said.   :p
[04:52] <dickhall> should I force it?
[04:52] <pestilence> no
[04:52] <pestilence> shouldn't require forcing :)
[04:52] <CaBlGuY> dickhall, what burning app u usin?
[04:52] <dickhall> k. *hunts for program type cd*
[04:52] <dickhall> k3b
[04:52] <dontm> sampan: wow ur right when i manually do install it wants to remove a bunch of other (conflicting im assuming) pkgs
[04:52] <pestilence> k3b -> burn dvd image
[04:53] <dickhall> ah, duh, I said CD image
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[04:53] <pestilence> dickhall, i made that mistake once, ended up in a coaster :)
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> lol
[04:53] <dickhall> heh
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> U 2 huh??
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> many many coasters in my time..
[04:53] <CaBlGuY> :-p
[04:53] <dickhall> yeah, I went through 7 or 8 trying to get dapper beta working
[04:54] <sampan> dontm  yep -- it took me like 6 "upgrades" before i realized that the action was the problem (i'm a slow learner!)
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> yep, that happens somretimes..
[04:54] <dickhall> okay, dvd burning on lowest speed, I'll keep you guys posted ;)
[04:54] <ron_> can any1 tell me what to put in the mount point and options portion of the fstab when adding my /dev/hdb3 swap partition?
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> LOL @ sampan   hehe..
[04:54] <pestilence> ron_: you don't mount swap
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> aint we all ..  :p
[04:54] <intelikey> e  konsole is hosed
[04:54] <realjimshady> Ron & Pest: you don't "mount" swap but it still goes in /etc/fstab
[04:54] <dontm> sam, how do i know if i should leave it alone or upgrade them and let it remove other pkgs?
[04:55] <realjimshady> Ron: /dev/hda# none swap sw 0 0
[04:55] <intelikey> it's background is white and can't be changed.
[04:56] <intelikey> any one else have that trubble ?
[04:56] <saj> guys...looking glass got any where yet?
[04:57] <ron_> thanks alot pestilence and realjimshady
[04:57] <sampan> dontm, i didn't know for sure -- but since two of the packages looked like they were gnome-related, i "purged" them instead of removing other packages
[04:57] <CaBlGuY> hmmm   wierd..
[04:58] <dontm> welp i did it manually
[04:58] <dontm> let's see if my pc blows up =-)
[04:58] <CaBlGuY> lol
[04:59] <pestilence> ok, so there is an "alternate cd" that has the old text mode installer.  guess that's what i'm doing.  i'm a little surprised they would ship a installer that is so bad.
[04:59] <pestilence> hahaha
[04:59] <pestilence> You don't have permission to access /kubuntu/6.06 on this server.
[04:59] <pestilence> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[04:59] <intelikey> i tried to talk in here but didn't seem to be in a channel...   'can you here me now?'
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> if ya can't go forward, I guess ya gotta step back.. :p
[04:59] <sampan> dontm, mine didn't blow up ... so hopefully yours won't either -- of course, i -do- have significant problems from the upgrade: NO sound whatsoever, can't add any languages, can't seem to start SKIM -- not good :/
[05:00] <pestilence> intelikey: yes.
[05:00] <intelikey> ok konsole is hung on the black on white theem.  why ?
[05:00] <pestilence> intelikey: no klue
[05:00] <dontm> sampan: what's a quick way to test sound w/o playing media?
[05:01] <intelikey> i've changed the theme but it doesn't change the konsole.   any one else reporting this ?
[05:01] <DaSkreec1> dontm: ogg123 ?
[05:01] <DaSkreec1> aplay as well
[05:01] <pestilence> intelikey: check launchpad and the forums
[05:01] <pestilence> !launchpad
[05:01] <troy> hey folks, is 3.5.3 polished with all the dapper goodies or will I look kubuntu integration if I update?
[05:01] <ubotu> it has been said that launchpad is a collection of services for projects in the open source universe - https://launchpad.net/
[05:01] <sampan> hrmm, i -should- know that question -- but i tested by playing a sound in the system-setting --> multimedia area and by trying to play an ogg file
[05:01] <pestilence> !forums
[05:01] <troy> "artsplay" works for most common (free) sound formats...
[05:01] <pestilence> oh that's interesting
[05:02] <pestilence> !forums konsole
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> so, did u get dapper to work for ya pestilence ???
[05:02] <intelikey> i'll add a user and see if it's a local or system problem.
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> I mena, work "good"..  :p
[05:02] <pestilence> CaBlGuY: nope!  gotta download the "alternate" install cd, and need to reboot to do that.  so brb
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> hope I don;t have that problem..
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> :|
[05:04] <intelikey> added user and user can't startx because of /usr/bin/startx: line 169: /dev/null: Permission denied
[05:04] <intelikey> how lame.
[05:04] <dontm> sampan: my sound works so *sigh of relief*
[05:04] <sampan> dontm  lucky you!
[05:04] <Kadran> hi i used dapper beta and done 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade', do i know use dapper final?
[05:05] <dontm> sampan: do u have unique sound hw?  is it sb compatible?
[05:05] <DaSkreec1> Kadran: As long as you had dapper sources yes
[05:05] <sampan> dontm  it's just an old SBLive card -- worked flawlessly out of the box on breezy -- but i've checked kmix/alsamixer, lspci, cat /proc/asound/cards, changing sound servers ... everything looks right but ... no joy
[05:06] <Kadran> DaSkreec1: what do you mean about 'dapper sources'?
[05:06] <intelikey> chmoded null now i get error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[05:06] <dickhall> w00t, the written image seems binary equal
[05:06] <dr_willis> sampan:  ive seen some cases where there is a toggle in the mixers to enable the audio outs. that i have to check
[05:06] <dickhall> that's k3b-talk for "hells yes"
[05:07] <sampan> dr_willis  yeah, there's a couple in there ... the Master and the PCM ... both are ON and sliders at 100%
[05:07] <dr_willis> sampan:  with the kde mixer, theres a switches tab ive had to twiddle with in the past
[05:07] <DaSkreec1> Kadran: Did you change your breezy to dapper in the sources.list file?
[05:08] <dr_willis> i got a 'analog' switch i had to be sure to enable. :P unless i was using the digital out
[05:08] <Kadran> DaSkreec1: yes from source-o-matic site
[05:08] <sampan> dr_willis  hrmmm ... i don't see anything like that, but there's a ton of extra things on both the input and output tabs
[05:09] <dr_willis> sampan:  thers no 'switches' tab under the kmix application eh?
[05:09] <dr_willis> i got 3 tabs. output, input, and switches
[05:09] <DaSkreec1> Kadran: Welcome to dapper!!
[05:09] <dr_willis> I do have an AUdigy2 card however in this box.
[05:09] <dr_willis> but ive had similer issues with other creative cards
[05:09] <Kadran> DaSkreec1: thanks :)
[05:10] <sampan> dr_willis  yep that's what i have too in the mixer section -- and there's an awful lot of sliders on each of those tabs -- but i thought the key ones were master (output) and PCM (output)
[05:10] <DaSkreec1> Happy dapper day!
[05:10] <dr_willis> sampan:  you are using the analog out? not the Digital out?
[05:11] <sampan> dr_willis  on the card itself?  sheesh, i can't remember -- i plugged it into the mobo about 2.5 years ago
[05:11] <dr_willis> sampan:  i mean to the speakers.
[05:11] <dr_willis> sampan:  most creative cards have that single digital out :P if you speakers can handle the input
[05:12] <ctothej> how do i set the default folder view for kde? (ie: medium icon size and list view)
[05:12] <sampan> dr_willis  i dunno ... it's an old card (6+ years old) but it was working flawlessly with breezy until about 3 hours ago if that means anything
[05:12] <intelikey> startx opens x then shuts down no error message at all
[05:12] <dr_willis> intelikey:  whats in your .xinitrc ?
[05:12] <Rug> Howdy all
[05:12] <Rug> How do I get Konqueror (file manager mode) to remember my settings when I close it?
[05:12] <g00n> hello peeps
[05:12] <intelikey> prolly not one just made the user
[05:13] <intelikey> doesnt
[05:13] <intelikey> isn't there a system defualt
[05:13] <sampan> should i be seeing aRTS in the audio device section of sound & multimedia?
[05:13] <g00n> I have just finished installing Dapper and my wireless card is listing in the newtwork settings.  The problem is once i enable it... it enables for 2 seconds and then just disables itself.  Does anyone know what I should do to trouble shoot this or fix it?
[05:14] <intelikey> dr_willis do you have to have a .xinitrc  ?
[05:14] <me2win> g00n: that happened to me once, i just restarted
[05:14] <g00n> I am using a broadcom wirelss modem from my dell inspiron 2200 btw
[05:14] <g00n> I ahve restarted several times :\
[05:14] <dr_willis> intelikey:  i got icewm in mine. since thats what i put in it. :P
[05:15] <dr_willis> intelikey:  try a line like 'startkde' or 'xterm '
[05:15] <intelikey> hmmm ok.  but it seems odd to have to make an rc file to get something to run
[05:16] <altprsona> i cant get ksysV init editor to exit, and it wont kill 9
[05:16] <dr_willis> this is a TEST.  intelikey :P
[05:17] <dr_willis> if it still just starts/exits - that implies that X is missconfigured
[05:17] <dr_willis> but does kdm work?
[05:17] <intelikey> dr_willis yes i see.   and yes it works  but that's not how it should be.   it should run without a .xinitrc
[05:18] <dr_willis> intelikey:  have you ever logged in from kdm/gdm?
[05:18] <dr_willis> i was thinking those saved your 'default' selection which startx then some how read.
[05:18] <intelikey> not that user. i just made it
[05:18] <intelikey> hmm ok
[05:18] <dr_willis> intelikey:  try a different user that has used kdm befor then perhaps.
[05:19] <g00n> does anyone know what I could do to get ndiswrapper working?  If I do -l I get "bcmwl5          driver present, hardware present"  but it isn't lising in my network settings
[05:19] <macd> g00n: what does iwconfig say?
[05:19] <intelikey> dr_willis that's not the issue.  i made that user to test konsole to see why the other user can't get rid of that damned white background
[05:20] <g00n> macd itr isn;t listed there
[05:20] <macd> g00n: then your driver isnt operating properly
[05:20] <g00n> eth0: now wireless extensions
[05:20] <macd> does 'lspci' show anything?
[05:20] <g00n> hrmm... I got this working on ubuntu and then switched to kubuntu and I am just sucking
[05:20] <intelikey> and that user can't open a konsole because of permissions on pty.
[05:21] <g00n> yes it does
[05:21] <g00n> 0000:02:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[05:21] <dr_willis> intelikey:  heh - what white background?
[05:21] <CaBlGuY> ok, anyone runin or have run in the past Suse...
[05:21] <intelikey> konsole
[05:21] <humbolt> I just went through Fedora Core 5 and SuSE 10.1 installation and I very well remember dapper installer from flight6 and I have to say. Ubuntu rules!
[05:21] <pestilence> g00n, modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[05:21] <CaBlGuY> I shiulda never switched over.. Grrrrr
[05:22] <g00n> yeah pestilence that isn't doing anything
[05:22] <g00n> :|
[05:22] <intelikey> dr_willis it's black on white     can't be changed for some reason
[05:22] <pestilence> g00n, so it is already loaded?
[05:22] <CaBlGuY> humbolt,  help me with my sound would ya..
[05:22] <pestilence> g00n, lsmod |grep ndiswrapper
[05:22] <humbolt> what's the problem
[05:22] <g00n> one sec
[05:22] <CaBlGuY> I'm runin Amrok and it's runnin a stream but I can;t hear it..
[05:23] <CaBlGuY> other sound work just fine
[05:23] <humbolt> other than amarok or other then stream?
[05:23] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, what output engine are you using?
[05:23] <CaBlGuY> and I just installed Suse 10.1  :-|
[05:23] <g00n> pestilence: that list 3=2 things
[05:23] <CaBlGuY> I mean, I can hear ummm  like system sounds fine..
[05:24] <intelikey> dr_willis the update to final hosed the themes for konsole   it worked great before the last update.
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> and gaim sounds n stuff like that..
[05:24] <g00n> err
[05:24] <humbolt> so what, amarok is not working in suse?
[05:24] <g00n> pestilence: I mean it list 2
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> no, it works..
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> just the sound isn;t working right..
[05:24] <ctothej> how can i switch to admin rights when using Konqueror to set its preferences?
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> :|
[05:24] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, what output engine are you using in amarok
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> I'm DLing dapper now..
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> ;P
[05:24] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  not sure realy..
[05:25] <dr_willis> intelikey:  hmm.. cant verify that. i HAVE had issues in the past when updating that requoired me to basicially reset (delete) the users .gnome and .kde dirs. to get them back to the defaults.
[05:25] <humbolt> CaBlGuY: answer pestilence's question and we might be able to help!
[05:25] <g00n> ndiswrapper           177364  0
[05:25] <pestilence> g00n, try "sudo rmmod ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper && tail /var/log/syslog"
[05:25] <Kadran> does any one has problem with acpi?
[05:25] <pestilence> oops
[05:25] <CaBlGuY> Ummm, how can I find out what im running with it?
[05:25] <pestilence> g00n, try "sudo rmmod ndiswrapper && sudo modprobe ndiswrapper && sudo tail /var/log/syslog"
[05:25] <g00n> I am in as root
[05:25] <humbolt> just check the menus find preferences and find engine there!
[05:25] <CaBlGuY> what engine I mena..
[05:25] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, in the preferences
[05:25] <CaBlGuY> *mean
[05:25] <humbolt> are you in kde or gnome by the way?
[05:26] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  amrok prefs right?
[05:26] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, you should use the xine engine
[05:26] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, yes
[05:26] <intelikey> dr_willis did that.  but still can't change the colour.   and look at <ctothej> how can i switch to admin rights when using Konqueror to set its preferences?  <--- same kind of thing.  you shouldn't need root access to set prefferances.
[05:26] <humbolt> but might have gstreamer
[05:27] <g00n> pestilence:  what should I look for in the results of that command?
[05:27] <dr_willis> intelikey:  you installed kubuntu?   or ubuntu then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[05:27] <humbolt> if so you need to install amarok-xine
[05:27] <intelikey> there is a bug in the latest kdebase or something.
[05:27] <pestilence> g00n, well, the tail of syslog might have some errors related to ndiswrapper, or it might have some encouraging messages
[05:27] <intelikey> dr_willis niether.
[05:27] <g00n> ahh
[05:27] <g00n> dhclient: No working leases in persistent database - sleeping.
[05:27] <g00n> that is the final message :|
[05:27] <humbolt> CaBlGuY: it is one little line you will have to type to install that!
[05:27] <g00n> thanks for all you help btw
[05:27] <dr_willis> intelikey:  windows answer: reformat/reinstall :P
[05:28] <pestilence> g00n, that would seem to indicate your wireless card is working, but your network configuration is not
[05:28] <CaBlGuY> im lookin....
[05:28] <g00n> ahh ok
[05:28] <pestilence> g00n, what does iwconfig tell you
[05:28] <CaBlGuY> I aint findin anytihg about prefs though in the menus,...
[05:28] <humbolt> I'll guide you
[05:28] <intelikey> dr_willis i installed server(hoary) and remover several things upgraded to dapper, then installed kdebase and konsole and kmail
[05:28] <g00n> eth0    no wireless extensions
[05:28] <g00n> and
[05:28] <humbolt> starting amarok
[05:28] <g00n> sit0    no wireless extensions
[05:28] <pestilence> ok scratch that
[05:29] <pestilence> g00n, is this dapper?
[05:29] <g00n> yes
[05:29] <humbolt> click on settings
[05:29] <humbolt> configure amarok
[05:29] <intelikey> dr_willis no go on the reload.  not until shippit gets here.    dialup  and one dist-upgrade is all i'm going to do.
[05:29] <CaBlGuY> Oh yea,, Duh...  :p
[05:29] <CaBlGuY> ok, hang on
[05:30] <pestilence> g00n, not sure.
[05:30] <CaBlGuY> yea, it's got Xine engine
[05:30] <g00n> ok
[05:30] <g00n> damn I ahte problems like this
[05:30] <g00n> I am prolly doing something stupid
[05:30] <CaBlGuY> me and u both probablt g00n    :p
[05:30] <DaSkreec1> hoary to dapper jump
[05:30] <DaSkreec1> Woah you got bigger ones than me :)
[05:31] <g00n> when it says "no wirels extensions"  what is this saying?
[05:31] <g00n> no drivers?
[05:31] <pestilence> g00n, that probably means it's your wired connection
[05:31] <intelikey> DaSkreec1 hehhe
[05:31] <CaBlGuY> so humbolt  what now?
[05:31] <humbolt> anything else running that uses sound (skype)
[05:31] <CaBlGuY> just Gaim
[05:32] <CaBlGuY> and it's not all the time..
[05:32] <g00n> hrmm... I got this running no problem on ubuntu :X
[05:32] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, do lsof |grep "/dev/dsp"
[05:32] <pestilence> g00n, yea, that's odd.  because there isn't any difference between ubuntu and kubuntu on this front
[05:33] <g00n> yeah
[05:33] <g00n> damn I must be doing something wrong Grrr
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> pestilence, ok, went to the next line..
[05:33] <humbolt> hmm, go in there again to the engine dialog and select output plugin alsa and then try again to play something, but use a wav file.
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> no errors..
[05:33] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, that means nothing is using your sound card :-/
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmm
[05:33] <g00n> but dapper had a differnce in it seems to have found my wirelss card and the prior versions didn't
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> but I get sound when I use Gaim
[05:33] <CaBlGuY> :-|
[05:33] <humbolt> pestilence: Could CaBlGuY's problem derive from the fact that he has no mp3 codecs installed by default?
[05:34] <humbolt> but xine should be able to play this, right.
[05:34] <g00n> ohh wait pestilence
[05:34] <humbolt> the codecs just don't come for gstreamer?!
[05:34] <CaBlGuY> humbolt,  I'm thinkin...
[05:34] <intelikey> so you guys that help in here a lot.   note what my error is "can't change/configure konsole"  and ctothej "can't configure/change konqueror"   if others are having the same issues   bugs  bugs  bugs
[05:34] <g00n> eth1      IEEE 802.11b/g  ESSID:"SecureWL"  Nickname:"Broadcom 4318"
[05:34] <CaBlGuY> I eman it's just a stream..
[05:34] <g00n> that is what it says on iwconfig
[05:34] <humbolt> what kind?
[05:34] <pestilence> i would hope that amarok would complain about not having codecs
[05:34] <pestilence> g00n, that is looking better
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> pestilence,  most odf the time, if something 'else" is utilising the sound, it says it..
[05:35] <humbolt> CaBlGuY: what is amarok doing? It pretends like it is playing the stream?
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> but it's not this time..
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> yes, it plays the stream..
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> but no sound
[05:35] <Blake7984> installer stops at "unable to install GRUB in (hd0)"....what should i do
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> but..
[05:35] <CaBlGuY> I get sound with Gaim
[05:35] <pestilence> what if you try to play gaim's sounds with amarok, we know those will play
[05:36] <pestilence> CaBlGuY, try playing something in /usr/share/sounds/gaim/
[05:36] <humbolt> maybe it is as simple as the volume slider at the bottom of amarok not in the right position?
[05:36] <CaBlGuY> k, gimme a sec..
[05:36] <g00n> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/752778 <-- this is what I get with iwconfig... any ideas now?
[05:36] <brandon__> I'm new to ubuntu world.  I installed a beta dapper version.  Question: will mere apt-get upgrade take me to today's 6.06 release version????
[05:36] <dr_willis> yes
[05:37] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[05:37] <ubotu> methinks upgrade is Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[05:37] <pestilence> g00n, yea, it looks like your card is working now
[05:37] <pestilence> g00n, is that your wireless network?
[05:37] <pestilence> SecureWL
[05:37] <g00n> yes
[05:37] <g00n> I don't think it is connecting though
[05:37] <pestilence> g00n, it seems you may have the encryption key wrong
[05:38] <g00n> when entering the ascii key... do I need to add anything like s:?
[05:38] <pestilence> g00n, yes
[05:38] <g00n> ahh ok
[05:38] <pestilence> g00n, e.g. iwconfig eth1 key s:password
[05:39] <g00n> ok
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> ok ok, I found a sound file and it played it..
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> :|
[05:40] <g00n> hrmm
[05:40] <CaBlGuY> this is crazy..  :-/
[05:40] <pestilence> so it must be a codec issue
[05:40] <g00n> do I need to change anything for a shared key?
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> Hmmmmmm
[05:41] <pestilence> g00n, don't think so.
[05:41] <CaBlGuY> I guess so...
[05:41] <g00n> damn I have the right key
[05:41] <g00n> I am copying it from my router
[05:41] <pestilence> g00n, in hex or in ascii?
[05:41] <g00n> ascii
[05:41] <pestilence> try the hex key
[05:42] <g00n> this stupid router doesn't give me one
[05:43] <pestilence> that's odd.
[05:43] <g00n> ohh wait it does
[05:43] <g00n> you ahve to set it to do that
[05:43] <g00n> do I need to do any thing after I change the key?
[05:43] <g00n> run something?
[05:43] <pestilence> well
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> so, I guess I need some codecs then??
[05:43] <pestilence> when you set the key correctly iwconfig should report a nonzero signal strength
[05:44] <pestilence> !codecs
[05:44] <ubotu> Binary only codecs (such as w32codecs) can be downloaded from plf or cipherfunk, see !easysource for details on these repositories
[05:44] <pestilence> !mp3
[05:44] <ubotu> it has been said that mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:44] <pestilence> there you go
[05:44] <pestilence> g00n, Link Quality will be nonzero when you get it right
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> ok thanks..
[05:44] <g00n> ok
[05:45] <g00n> hahah this sucks cause it is a 64bit key... completely correct
[05:45] <slow-motion> re
[05:46] <g00n> how do you set it as no key?
[05:46] <g00n> jsut set key to blank
[05:46] <pestilence> iwconfig eth1 enc off
[05:46] <g00n> thanks
[05:48] <Ahmuck> i need a program in that wall equalize exposure across a set of images
[05:52] <g00n_> yoyo
[05:54] <g00n_> looks like I will read through the iwconfig manual
[05:58] <humbolt> can anybody pass me his kernel line from grub? I don't remember the default options but want to set grub back to grafik mode.
[05:59] <saj> i have a problem guys. ive installed Kubuntu...but the thing is still in Gnome? am i supposed to restart the system?
[06:00] <dr_willis> the login screen has a menui to selexct what  desktop to use
[06:00] <DaSkreec1> Right
[06:01] <DaSkreec1> dr_willis: Long gone
[06:02] <dr_willis> Odd.. in konversation his name still gets highlited if i move over it
[06:02] <dr_willis> 'open a query with saj' - :P which i cant do since hes not here any more
[06:02] <dr_willis> xchat dont do it that way
[06:02] <oomph> is it possible to upgrade from the RC to the release from today via aptget?
[06:02] <DaSkreec1> Bug! :)
[06:02] <dr_willis> Konversation is neat.. but needs some work.
[06:02] <dr_willis> oomph:  i did. :P
[06:03] <oomph> how so? apt-get upgrade ?
[06:03] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[06:03] <oomph> k
[06:03] <oomph> ill give it a go
[06:04] <oomph> only difference between kubuntu and ubunto is KDE vs gnome, right?
[06:04] <DaSkreec1> And a vowel
[06:04] <dr_willis> oomph:  yea. i normally install ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop as the fiorst thing
[06:05] <DaSkreec1> ebuntu desktop!
[06:06] <dr_willis> i want a windowmaker desktop! wuwubuntu!
[06:06] <linuxmonkey> lol
[06:06] <dr_willis> and a emacs desktop emacubuntu
[06:06] <g00n_> shouln't i be able to enable my network card even if the wireless settings aren't right?
[06:06] <DaSkreec1> Wuwu!!
[06:06] <DaSkreec1> :)
[06:06] <stevekl> emacs is about as useful as a poopie flavored lollipop
[06:06] <dr_willis> stevekl:  i hear those are popular in some countries. :P
[06:07] <NickPresta> I have a pretty big problem that I have no idea how to solve. I was updating to Dapper via Adept (Changing the sources in my list from breezey to dapper) and during the installation, my power went out and the computer shut down. When I turned it back on, kdm, X, my internet connection, libraries, packages, etc were gone and since I had no internet connect (and I don't know how to establish one via console) I c
[06:07] <NickPresta> Also, I partitioned my drive and installed Dapper on another partition and I mouted /dev/hda1 (my broken breezy) and can access files and such. Any way to restore breezy?
[06:07] <DaSkreec1> NickPresta: How do you connect to the internet?
[06:08] <stevekl> Not everyone owns just one computer.
[06:08] <dr_willis> may want to backup your home dir. for a start.. just so you have backups just in case
[06:08] <NickPresta> I did that, yes.
[06:08] <oomph> !upgrade
[06:08] <stevekl> NickPresta: I would just burn and install dapper from a CD
[06:08] <NickPresta> I did that, yeah. I got all my information so I suppose its for the best...
[06:09] <dr_willis> it seems to be a good habbit to keep your /home on its own hard drive. :P or at least its own partition.
[06:09] <stevekl> And, in the future, put /home on a separate position
[06:09] <stevekl> So when you need to reinstall, you don't have to back it up
[06:09] <stevekl> dr_willis beat me!
[06:09] <stevekl> er
[06:09] <stevekl> separate partition
[06:09] <stevekl> God i'm retarded lately
[06:09] <NickPresta> How would I put my /home/ directory on it's own partition?
[06:09] <dr_willis> the more stories i hear about upgrade proboems.. the more i think a seperate /home and a clean reinstall - is the best bet.
[06:09] <stevekl> You have the option of doing so during installation
[06:10] <stevekl> when you partition the drive
[06:10] <stevekl> make a new partition and define it as /home
[06:10] <dr_willis> the parttioing tools could be a little clearer on that feature. :P
[06:10] <stevekl> dr_willis is exactly correct here
[06:10] <dr_willis> i got a spare 300gb hd for my /home :P
[06:10] <NickPresta> Indeed. I tried making my own partition for various things (like school work, job stuff, etc) but it was confusing to someone who hasn't edited a partition table before...
[06:10] <dr_willis> i got a lot of wallpaper. :P
[06:11] <dr_willis> NickPresta:  once ya do it enough - it becomes trivial. sample layout for a 1hd system
[06:11] <linuxmonkey> !mp3
[06:11] <ubotu> mp3 is, like, totally, a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:11] <dr_willis>  - /  (partition #1  hda1 primary) about 50gb (or so), /home (hda2)   big as ya can get.. then a hda3 = swap.
[06:12] <stevekl> NickPresta: It's actually pretty easy...just create a partition (cfdisk is the best tool for this if you're doing it to a drive which isn't mounted already), and that creates a new /dev/hda(whatever)
[06:12] <dr_willis> I like the live cds that have gparted. :P
[06:12] <NickPresta> well, now that I have both Dapper and my broken breezy on the same box, is there any graphical partition tool you suggest to remove breezey and create another partition for Windows as well as modify my current installation?
[06:12] <stevekl> So then you just put /dev/hda(whatever) in fstab, format it with the correct tool, and viola
[06:13] <g00n_> yeah gparted is nice
[06:14] <stevekl> cfdisk is technically 'graphical' but I know what you mean
[06:14] <stevekl> unfortunately i've never used anything but cfdisk so I don't know what to reccomend
[06:14] <stevekl> Even I won't touch fdisk, that program scares me
[06:15] <saj> hi...ive installed kubuntu via sudu but the desktop is still gnome...boot sequence..log in thing etc are kubuntu but after i log in its gnome:S what do i need to do?
[06:15] <kkathman> fdisk in fine hehe
[06:15] <NickPresta> The biggest thing that annoys me about this is that I lost all the customization I did. I keep pressing F12 for YaKuake. ;_;
[06:15] <kkathman> sudo fdisk -l  is a good way to see all partitions on an entire system :)
[06:16] <kkathman> course it can be a little like rm -rf  /  if you arent careful
[06:16] <sampan> nickpresta  that's the one good argument for dist-upgrade -- keep your settings -- but i'm not sure it's worth it ... i'm doing upgrade now and ... so many 'issues' that i think it might have saved time to just do a clean install
[06:16] <stevekl> kkathman: I was forced to use fdisk once, as cfdisk couldn't read my partition table because (only) one partition was messed up
[06:16] <stevekl> and I had to delete it
[06:16] <kkathman> ouch
[06:16] <stevekl> Thinking back, I think that makes cfdisk kinda lame and useless
[06:16] <stevekl> but fdisk actually saved the day, I was able to delete the partition using that
[06:16] <kkathman> I dont trust any partitioning tools
[06:16] <kkathman> right
[06:16] <stevekl> so I shoudln't badmouth fdisk
[06:16] <kkathman> lol
[06:17] <stevekl> And i'm still not sure how I managed to create a corrupt partition...
[06:17] <kkathman> parted/gparted and its variants ... now those are scary
[06:17] <saj> any one?
[06:18] <kkathman> saj if you installed ok, then when you reboot...check the options in the lower left and choose KDE...then make it the default
[06:18] <kkathman> or not
[06:18] <kkathman> heh
[06:18] <s-king>  does anyone know how to prevent kmix from starting every time you start kde?
[06:19] <s-king> working with clean sessions does not work
[06:19] <NickPresta> so if I wanted my /home directory on another partition, would I create an empty partition and then change my $HOME path to /dev/hd*/ ?
[06:19] <semq> hi
[06:19] <semq> i need help
[06:19] <semq> pcmcia failed
[06:19] <sampan> does anyone know how to make sound actually work on (my) dapper?  *cry* ;)
[06:19] <saj> kkathman: in the log in screen? where will i find the option?
[06:19] <kkathman> sampan:  what have you tried so far ?
[06:19] <stevekl> NickPresta: no
[06:20] <kkathman> saj:  on the lower left at the login
[06:20] <stevekl> NickPresta: Create the partition, and then mount it as /home
[06:20] <kkathman> saj I think it says "options"
[06:20] <stevekl> NickPresta: So move all your /home stuff to a separate location (back it up in other words)
[06:20] <stevekl> NickPresta: And then create the partition
[06:20] <saj> kkathman: thnx a billion buddy :D.
[06:20] <semq> what does "segmentation fault" mean?
[06:20] <NickPresta> ahh and then sudo mount /dev/hd* /home ?
[06:21] <sampan> kkathman  lets see ... lspci (it shows up), cat /proc/asound/cards (it shows up properly), kmix (Master and PCM (outputs) are both ON and sliders at 100%), system settings --> sound (tried OSS, ALSA, ESD, etc.) ... no sound at all
[06:21] <stevekl> NickPresta: exactly
[06:21] <skipster23> what is the best way to burn iso's to dvd
[06:21] <NickPresta> ahh ok. makes sense
[06:21] <NickPresta> thanks
[06:21] <stevekl> NickPresta: You can put a line like that in fstab so it mounts automatically
[06:21] <DaSkreec1> kkathman: You partition with a hex editor? :/
[06:21] <stevekl> let me give you an example...
[06:21] <stevekl> /dev/hda6       /home           ext3    defaults        0       2
[06:21] <kkathman> sampan can we go back to kmix?
[06:21] <stevekl> like that
[06:21] <sampan> kkathman  sure!
[06:21] <NickPresta> ok
[06:21] <NickPresta> thanks a lot
[06:21] <semq> someone help me please
[06:22] <kkathman> sampan:  can you please click on the Kmix, and then click on Mixer
[06:22] <skipster23> me to
[06:22] <sampan> done
[06:22] <stevekl> semq: You have to be more specific...I can tell you what a segmentaiton fault is but it won't help you
[06:22] <kkathman> sampan:  ok.. now on my system, I have the Master on (green light) and up at 100%
[06:22] <stevekl> semq: It generally means that something bad happened (a bad error) and if you get it while running a program, it means that the program's writer madea mistake
[06:23] <sampan> kkathman  yep ... mine too
[06:23] <kkathman> sampan:  then the 4th slider, PCM green on and slider up
[06:23] <sampan> kkathman  yep ... mine too -- in fact, if i click either of those green buttons there's a slight "pop" out of my speakers
[06:23] <kkathman> sampan:  everything else is off (green off)
[06:24] <semq> during boot process i get PCMCIA failed then segmentation fault then cardmgr: no sockets found then error inserting genrtc
[06:24] <kkathman> ok hmm
[06:24] <sampan> kkathman  yeah -- the PC speaker was on, but that was only because i turned it on about 30 minutes ago (it was off prior and i was just stabbing)
[06:24] <stevekl> semq: Do you use PCMCIA cards? does this error halt your system?
[06:24] <kkathman> sampan:  you are on kubuntu yes?
[06:24] <skipster23> does anyone know haw to burn iso's to dvd in kde
[06:24] <sampan> kkathman  yep -- just upgraded to dapper
[06:25] <Bilford> double click the iso
[06:25] <semq> no ive no pcmcia card
[06:25] <semq> this halts my system
[06:25] <semq> but i can still CTRL ALT F1
[06:25] <sampan> kkathman  how do i find out the exact location of my sound card?  my mobo has onboard but i want to use the sblive card -- maybe i have to put in a custom location on the sys-settings--sound area?
[06:25] <stevekl> semq: Can you log into the console at ALT-f1?
[06:25] <semq> yes
[06:25] <kkathman> sampan:  ok..lets do an alt-F2 and type kcontrol,  then choose the Sound& Multimedia
[06:26] <sampan> kkathman  k, done ...
[06:26] <skipster23> bilford: k3b tells me its not a cd, do i force the burn
[06:26] <kkathman> sampan:  ok now click the Sound System option
[06:26] <sampan> done
[06:26] <kkathman> sampan:  be sure that "Enable the sound system" is checked
[06:26] <Bilford> skipster23, no
[06:26] <stevekl> Can someone else help me with semq heh
[06:26] <sampan> lol yeah i made sure ;)
[06:27] <stevekl> semq: I'm not sure what to tell you now
[06:27] <semq> my sys halts just after giving me [xxxx.xxxx]  sometihng IPadresss something
[06:27] <kkathman> sampan:  then click the Hardware tab... whats selected as the audio device?
[06:27] <semq> ty for answering me
[06:27] <kkathman> sampan:  probably will be "Autodetect"
[06:28] <sampan> kkathman  hardware dev is "autodetect" -- but i've tried each and every item in the list (OSS, ALSA, ESD, NAS, and "threaded OSS")
[06:28] <semq> this may be due to vmware?
[06:28] <semq> i ve this prob since i updated to drapper
[06:28] <skipster23> bilforb: the error Reads  "found media: DVD+R (empty)  Please insert an empty CD-R(W) medium into drive
[06:29] <kkathman> sampan:  hmm..
[06:29] <semq> scuse my english
[06:29] <skipster23> can anyone else help
[06:29] <kkathman> interesting.. I just checked my sound and I'm now getting nothing
[06:29] <kkathman> odd
[06:29] <sampan> kkathman  my mobo has onboard sound -- but i've disabled it in BIOS, maybe i need to "override device location" (same hardware tab) -- but how do i find where the SBLive card is at?
[06:30] <kkathman> ahh never mind it works :)
[06:30] <kkathman> just my system notifications seems weird
[06:30] <stevekl> semq: I would say "turn off pcmcia support"but I have no idea HOW to do that...
[06:30] <semq> ok
[06:30] <kkathman> sampan:  go back to the Sound System again and click the Test Sound and see what happens
[06:31] <stevekl> semq: Have you upgraded since? (done the apt-get dist-upgrade I mean)?
[06:31] <semq> i look for it
[06:31] <dr_willis> pcmcia=off as a kernel boot option (i think)
[06:31] <semq> no
[06:31] <sampan> kkathman  *nod* that's how i've been testing -- it's just silent
[06:31] <kkathman> hmmm
[06:31] <kkathman> this is indeed odd
[06:32] <semq> doing it now
[06:32] <stevekl> semq: I would dist-upgrade again (after updating, of course)
[06:32] <sampan> i have a sneaking suspicion that the upgrade lost my setting for the sound card location and that's what's borking this up -- because there was at least one big audio glitch in the upgrade
[06:33] <skipster23> nevermind i figured it out without anyones help thanks
[06:33] <kkathman> sampan:  for some reason I dont seem to be able to get system notifications
[06:33] <kkathman> but sound works when I click the "Test Sound"
[06:33] <robotgeek> hey kkathman
[06:33] <sampan> kkathman  strange
[06:33] <semq> o well 1hour 20mn to DL
[06:33] <linuxmonkey> are the any issues installing the nvidia drivers on kubuntu dapper
[06:33] <sampan> kkathman at least you're getting SOME sound -- i can't get a thing ... no bell, no mp3s, no oggs, no sys notifications, no test sounds
[06:34] <kkathman> hmm but this is a bit disturbing
[06:34] <stevekl> I haven't been getting any upgrades for a few days, even when running dist-upgrade...does this mean release of dapper has settled down, or something?
[06:34] <skipster23> linuxmonkey: is it possible and how would i go about doing it
[06:34] <sampan> kkathman, believe me, i'm disturbed too!
[06:34] <kkathman> sampan:  maybe there is something in the wiki
[06:34] <kkathman> I'll check
[06:34] <sampan> errr, that sounded wrong
[06:34] <dickhall> so what's the general consensus - upgrading 5.10->6.06 is pretty safe?
[06:35] <stevekl> oh it's released huh
[06:35] <sampan> dickhall, it borked my sound in a big way (and i've seen at least one other person with what seemed to be the same problem) -- but YMMV
[06:35] <chakie> i still don't dare upgrade and break my system
[06:35] <semq> yes not beta yet
[06:36] <kkathman> sampan:  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems
[06:36] <skipster23> dickhall: i like 6.06 it runs a little slow but much faster than winblows
[06:36] <scorpion007> how can I disable the apm module from loading?
[06:36] <stevekl> dskjdshfkjdsf my connections hELP
[06:36] <semq> dickhall: don't do that
[06:37] <dickhall> I'm planning on going to Dapper regardless, just wondering if the upgrade was any smoother
[06:37] <stevekl> scorpion007: install rcconf, run it (as root) and you can uncheck the apmd init thingie
[06:37] <kkathman> hmm odd I wonder why I cant get any system notifications?
[06:37] <robotgeek> dickhall: been on dapper since 6 months, works fine
[06:37] <dickhall> robotgeek: did you upgrade from breezy?
[06:37] <semq> dick do u have vmware? if so u should uninstall it
[06:38] <robotgeek> dickhall: nope, but i did upgrade a wmware breezy image all the way to dapper
[06:38] <stevekl> *weeps* my wireless has gone completely slow and useless
[06:38] <dickhall> robotgeek: and?
[06:39] <kkathman> sampan:  hehe.. do me a favor and go back to the kcontrol->sound&multimedia->Sound system... then click the defaults, then click APPLY and see what happens
[06:39] <robotgeek> dickhall: works fine
[06:39] <dickhall> hoary was my first kubuntu, and breezy was released a week later, so I tried the upgrade - borked everything
[06:39] <NickPresta> are all the build essentials standard with dapper?
[06:40] <sampan> kkathman  still nothing :/
[06:40] <dickhall> okay
[06:40] <kkathman> awww... my system notifications came back
[06:40] <kakalto> !upgrade
[06:40] <ubotu> [upgrade]  Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades . Note command line: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the bleeding edge.
[06:40] <kkathman> sampan:  perhaps robotgeek might have some other ideas
[06:41] <Blake7984> how big should my boot partition be
[06:41] <scorpion007> stevekl: thanks, I'll try it
[06:41] <sampan> thanks kkathman :)  it's baffling to me ... and i'm tearing tufts of hair out as i type ... ;X
[06:42] <sampan> robotgeek, essentially i have NO sound at all since the upgrade ... but no obvious reason for the problem (kmix is right, lspci lists my card, cat /proc/asound/cards shows my card too)
[06:43] <kakalto> erm...
[06:43] <kakalto> why does it say that the default upgrade option has been reported as not working?
[06:43] <robotgeek> sampan: no clue about soundacards, sorry
[06:44] <robotgeek> sampan: file a bug :)
[06:44] <farous> sampan: i had the same prob. remove the old gstreamer hidden files .gstreamer-0.8
[06:44] <sampan> farous, all of them?  sudo apt-get remove *gstreamer-0.8*  ?
[06:44] <stevekl> Is the dapper install CD X only?
[06:45] <farous> sampan: you can check by adding a new user and see if he can access the sound card. also turned out that by default my old account was denied access to sound. so i had to re adjust that
[06:45] <sampan> robotgeek  that's alright -- thanks for taking a look :)
[06:45] <stevekl> is there an option to run it without X?
[06:45] <stevekl> i'd *really* like to do it the old way like with breezy
[06:45] <farous> sampan: you can do that but under your home dir you have a hidden old .gstreamer-0,8 dir
[06:45] <sampan> farous, oh ... should i just delete that hidden dir?
[06:46] <farous> sampan: yap and check that your user name have access to sound devices
[06:46] <farous> just give your username admin permission again. This given that no problems are with your sound card
[06:47] <sampan> farous, there's only one file in that dir registry.xml ... i'll check the user thing right now
[06:47] <scorpion007> stevekl: thanks, turning apm off stopped my mouse from locking up. I tried passing noapm and apm=off on the command line but it didn't seem to work in dapper
[06:47] <farous> sampan: you need to log out and in again for it to work.
[06:48] <sampan> farous, well my user is listed in the "audio" group
[06:48] <sampan> no "sound" group at all though
[06:48] <kkathman> sampan:  mine doesnt either
[06:48] <kkathman> and my sound is fine
[06:49] <DaSkreec1> night  all
[06:49] <stevekl> scorpion007: i'm glad it worked, I was sort of gambling because I didn't know if 'apmd' was on the lisst of rcconf stuff
[06:49] <farous> sampan: mine was too i do not know maybe old config file. just adding my self to the audio group again did the trick
[06:49] <stevekl> what's with this dman wireless? God I hate netgear
[06:50] <farous> sampan: did you check and see that you have a sound device. ls /dev/snd
[06:51] <farous> and lspci | greo audio
[06:51] <farous> and lspci | grep audio
[06:51] <Pants> so, uh... my machine is only a few minutes away from completely upgrading itself! I'm excited! ... I didn't even know Dapper Drake was out yet until a few hours ago
[06:51] <stevekl> Pants: I didn't know until like 4 minutes ago hehe
[06:51] <Pants> will there still be stable Ubuntu and Kubuntu releases every six months?
[06:52] <seth> Pants, yes, every 6 months
[06:52] <sampan> farous, yeah -- i do ... but i have a question about that -- i have an onboard sound chip and a sblive card -- the chip is disabled in bios and i don't see it in, say, cat /proc/asound/cards ... but maybe is kde still trying to output to the onboard and not the sblive?
[06:52] <scorpion007> does anyone know why ubuntu won't boot with acpi enabled? It reboots at the beginning of the boot process.
[06:52] <seth> Pants, except this one was delayed a bit, so the next release (Edgy) will be in 4 months
[06:53] <seth> Pants, then back to the 6-month schedule
[06:53] <farous> sampan: frankly i do not know
[06:53] <robotgeek> hey seth
[06:53] <seth> robotgeek, how've you been? :)
[06:54] <robotgeek> seth: good good, running up the bandwidth with EU downloads
[06:54] <sampan> farous k -- just a thought i had
[06:54] <farous> sampan: try this add a new user. login from his acount and test the sound
[06:55] <seth> robotgeek, great :)
[06:55] <sampan> k i'll give that a try
[06:55] <kkathman> sampan:  its a good idea to disable the on board sound, yes, if you have an external sound card...windows pnp is smart enough to know this, but Im not sure linux is
[06:55] <kkathman> because its pretty much a proactive thing
[06:56] <sampan> kkathman  it is disabled in the BIOS ... (did that for breezy a long time ago)
[06:56] <Pants> seth:  awesome, because I was afraid the "LTS" thing meant some kind of change in schedule ... I'd miss those colorful animal names
[06:57] <kkathman> sampan:  ahh ok
[06:58] <mikedep333> you guys know the dapper KDE picture that you see when you go to about KDE? where can I find a copy of that?
[06:58] <stevekl> What's LTS?
[06:58] <dickhall> robotgeek: how did you upgrade? s/breezy/dapper/g in sources.list?
[06:58] <mikedep333> I have to say, that is very creative
[06:58] <mikedep333> stevekl: long-term-support
[06:58] <mikedep333> this release will be supported for 5 years
[06:59] <stevekl> dickhall: there's a "reccomended sources.list" for dapper somewhere
[06:59] <dickhall> I'll have a google, thanks
[06:59] <robotgeek> dickhall: yeah
[07:00] <stevekl> dickhall: i'd  give you mine but i'm on a machine running breezy
[07:01] <gilster> please anyone....card reader setup? toshiba m40x
[07:03] <mikedep333> gilster: what do you need?
[07:03] <mikedep333> your card reader should be setup automatically on 6.06 if it supported
[07:03] <gilster> my card reader is recognized as a built in pci device
[07:04] <gilster> but when i put and SD or Smartemedia in  nothing
[07:04] <gilster> how do i acess this device
[07:04] <gilster> how do i mount it ...etc?
[07:04] <mikedep333> h/o
[07:04] <mikedep333> let me check with mine
[07:06] <mikedep333> gilster: using ubuntu 6.06, KDE automatically recognized when I put in a card
[07:06] <mikedep333> it detected my card as a scsi/usb drive
[07:07] <mikedep333> check /dev/ and see if you see any sd* devices
[07:07] <gilster> no
[07:07] <mikedep333> gilster: what version of kubuntu are you using?
[07:08] <gilster> when i run lspci....it picks up the built in TI reader but i cant seem to accees it anyhwere
[07:08] <gilster> dapper
[07:09] <mikedep333> arrgh, I'm new to ubuntu, I'm not as familiar with the utilities to check out hardware
[07:09] <mikedep333> if you can install ubuntu-desktop (all the gnome stuff), the people in #ubuntu can help
[07:10] <DaveQB11> when in the boot peocess is /etc/fstab executed ??
[07:10] <mikedep333> oh, gilster
[07:10] <mikedep333> go to "system settings"
[07:10] <gilster> yes?
[07:11] <mikedep333> disks and filesystems
[07:11] <gilster> ok
[07:11] <mikedep333> see if it says anything for flash reader or multi flash reader
[07:11] <gilster> no i have done all that...it only picks up my drive partitions and my DVDRW
[07:13] <mikedep333> hmm, from online, it looks like the card reader probably won't be easily supported until ubuntu implements kernel 2.6.17
[07:14] <mikedep333> but there is something about sdhci
[07:14] <gilster> yea
[07:17] <mikedep333> gilster: yea, this is hte project to support your card reader
[07:17] <mikedep333> http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=TI_FlashMedia_xx12/xx21_driver
[07:17] <mikedep333> but until they get in the main kernel, there is not much you can do
[07:18] <gilster> thanks
[07:18] <mikedep333> sorry, this is the problem with buying hardware in general, not everything is linux compatible and it is often hard to check
[07:18] <gilster> yes///thanks anyways///
[07:18] <gilster> how does one change the bootsplash scree n
[07:18] <mikedep333> i'm assuming your purchase of this laptop is fine
[07:18] <mikedep333> *final
[07:18] <gilster> yes
[07:18] <mikedep333> so I should point out that USB card readers can be gotten for pretty cheap
[07:19] <gilster> oh yes i have one of those as well
[07:44] <sampan> w00t!
[07:44] <sampan> figured it out
[07:45] <orient2000> No upgrades for 2 days. Is it bad or good? I miss it thouth.
[07:45] <sampan> for some reason the "WAV" output in ALSAMIXER (not kmix) had been put to 0 and so, sounds WERE playing, but were inaudible
[07:45] <_nano_> orient2000: didn't you do the 3.5.3 upgrade? :P
[07:46] <orient2000> I just hit upgrade every day so I guess i have it. how can I check it out?
[07:48] <kkathman> orient2000:  if you've been updating each day, you are home man
[07:49] <iNiku> hmm, I still have 3.5.2 according to dpkg
[07:50] <iNiku> and dist-upgrade isn't showing anything new... is the new kde stuff in some special repo or something?
[07:50] <sampan> one problem down -- now if only i could get skim working i would be a happy camper
[07:51] <kkathman> sampan:  excellent :)
[07:51] <orient2000> before shi... windoes gave me upgrade every 2 weeks. It does feel a differerence.  THANKS.
[07:51] <sampan> kkathman  yeah ... i don't think i've ever even messed with alsamixer before -- who would have thought a slider in there would be the key?
[07:52] <Pants> dpkg-preconfigure died when the upgraded stuff was installing ... should I be worried?
[07:52] <sampan> stuff like that feels so ... RANDOM
[07:53] <_nano_> i've a query, let's say i intend to compile an app from source, is there a way to register the same in the apt system?
[07:53] <sampan> pants, my upgrade bit the dust two or three times like that -- i just restarted with apt-get -f install ... and it picked up and eventually finished
[07:54] <Pants> what does -f mean?
[07:54] <sampan> "fix" ... it might have been apt-get install -f  ... it'll try to fix and continue
[07:55] <OmniDistortion> Okay sorry I left, I was about to ask a question!!
[07:55] <OmniDistortion> It seems I am unable to adjust the resolution
[07:55] <Pants> thanks, sampan
[07:55] <OmniDistortion> I sit across the room from my monitor so it's near impossible I see it at max resolution
[07:55] <OmniDistortion> But when I set it to something lower it doesn't change and boots me out to the login screen
[07:55] <sampan> pants, yw -- just passing on what little i know (someone else was kind enough to help me when i had the same question!)
[07:56] <OmniDistortion> Is this a common problem?
[07:56] <stevekl> I know I asked this but I don't think I got an answer: can you install dapper in a non-X environment?
[07:57] <frank_> stevekl: yeah. you can do a server install
[07:57] <sampan> stevekl i'm sure you can do a non-X install
[07:58] <stevekl> By "non-X" i mean, I want the installation proccess to not involve X
[07:58] <stevekl> not just "it won't install X"
[07:59] <saxofun> good morning
[07:59] <frank_> stevekl: download the 'alternate' cd
[07:59] <saxofun> I assume that I'm not the only one having troubles upgrading to dapper?
[08:00] <OmniDistortion> Guys, can't change resolution. Getting logged out.
[08:00] <Lynoure> stevekl: well, the installation process does not much use X, but I think the server installation might be the thing
[08:01] <frank_> stevekl: the 'alternate' cd has a text-based installer
[08:01] <Lynoure> much=it tries to configure it and start it, but that's about it. Unless things have chnage from dapper beta....
[08:01] <saxofun> My X-server is not running and when I try to execute "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" I've a lot of unresolved dependencies :(
[08:02] <stevekl> The server install CD uses X during installation?
[08:02] <Lynoure> saxofun: are your sources.list sources the right ones?
[08:02] <Lynoure> saxofun: did you do apt-get update?
[08:04] <saxofun> yes, I used the old breezy sources and replaced "breezy" by "dapper". I did the whole upgrade using "Adept"
[08:04] <sampan> stevekl  i doubt the server install uses X (many servers aren't X capable, so a text-only install process would be the only way to install on them -- having an X-based installer for a non-X system would not make much sense)
[08:04] <frank_> saxofun: did you do a fetch updates before?
[08:05] <Bilford> weird
[08:05] <Bilford> Im using XGL+soemething
[08:05] <stevekl> sampan: I'm sure the machine I am installing on can handle X, I just think that the X installer is horrifyingly clunky and counter-productive
[08:05] <Bilford> compiz
[08:05] <nysosym> hi all
[08:05] <saxofun> frank_: yes I had about 1000 something packages after the "fetch updates". After that I did a "Full Upgrade" and then "Commit"
[08:05] <stevekl> I can install MUCH faster the 'old' way
[08:06] <chavo> stevekl, actually the live cd installer takes about 5 minutes
[08:06] <chavo> it just copies an image to the hard drive
[08:06] <nysosym> i have a big problem with Dapper Drake Final + KDE 3.5.3 my system will not restart or shutdown. Ill become a black screen und the system hangs.... can anyone help me please?
[08:07] <frank_> saxofun: hmmm what errors do you get?
[08:07] <wt8008> my adept crashed, but the database is still locked, how can I remove the lock?
[08:07] <sampan> stevekl  sure ... i like text installers too actually kinda makes me remember the tsr-80s of my childhood!  i'm guessing that the server installer will LET you install X (and a wm/de) just fine -- it's just what you're looking for: non-X install process, but an X end result :)
[08:07] <stevekl> sampan: exactly
[08:08] <frank_> wt8008: check in the running processes for things like adept, apt-get or dpkg-something
[08:08] <saxofun> frank_: After the upgrade I did a reboot and now the X server is not starting anymore. It seems that the problem is known: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[08:09] <wt8008> frank_, i assume the adept_notifier doesn't count, other than that i don't see anything similar to that running
[08:09] <saxofun> frank_: I did the procedure described on this page (apt-get install kubuntu-desktop) but then I get a lot of unresolved dependencies
[08:09] <nysosym> hmm im ignored okay :(
[08:10] <frank_> saxofun: /var/cache/apt/archives/lock   ?
[08:10] <Lynoure> nysosym: Don't jump into  conclusions.
[08:10] <pingveno> I'm having trouble with who is apparently the default konsole font. How would I permanently change the font (Settings > Font > Custom is annoying :-P )
[08:10] <frank_> wt8008:  /var/cache/apt/archives/lock   ?
[08:10] <pingveno> The trouble being that the font is unreadable
[08:10] <frank_> saxofun: umm not sure
[08:10] <Lynoure> nysosym: there is a bug about that in Launchpad, cannot remember it's number, though, unresolved.
[08:10] <morrow> good morning saxofun :)
[08:11] <wt8008> frank_, i assume if i remove the lock file it would be ok?
[08:11] <saxofun> hi morrow :)
[08:11] <chavo> pingveno, hit settings -> save as default after you select the font you want
[08:11] <frank_> wt8008: I think so.
[08:11] <sampan> pingveno  what chavo said
[08:11] <Lynoure> nysosym: I had it too for a bit but now haven't for a while (got fixed with some kernel version for me)
[08:11] <saxofun> frank_: yes, there is a lock file
[08:11] <wt8008> frank_, thanks
[08:11] <pingveno> wow, I can't believe I missed that
[08:11] <pingveno> Well, I can, it's just embarrassing
[08:11] <sampan> lol
[08:12] <sampan> happens to everyone ;)
[08:12] <pingveno> but of course
[08:12] <nysosym> Lynoure: but i use the final version, there must be working very well :D
[08:12] <Lynoure> nysosym: The bug applies to the final version, for some ppl
[08:12] <frank_> saxofun: you got this problem upgrading from breezy?
[08:13] <saxofun> frank_: yes I did
[08:13] <Lynoure> nysosym: But, you can be useful by looking into the logs you get.
[08:13] <chavo> nysosym, we just never reboot
[08:13] <frank_> saxofun: I'm just shhoting in the dark here but maybe sudo apt-get -f install
[08:14] <saxofun> morrow: did you already upgrade to kubuntu 6.06?
[08:14] <frank_> saxofun: I don't really know though
[08:14] <saxofun> frank_: ok, I'll try this
[08:15] <nysosym> Lynoure: the logs say nothing there only the log of the actually boot, nothing about the past
[08:15] <nysosym> :(
[08:15] <Lynoure> nysosym: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/33775
[08:15] <Lynoure> nysosym: you might be able to ssh into your machine to look at what's going on after it 'freezes' or then not
[08:16] <thunderheart> hello from france, first time i try kubuntu (6.06), how can i launch the live demo ?
[08:16] <morrow> saxofun: longtime ago
[08:16] <frank_> thunderheart: you burned the cd?
[08:16] <thunderheart> frank_: yes
[08:16] <frank_> thunderheart: Il ya aussi #ubuntu-fr en passant ;)
[08:16] <thunderheart> frank_: i boot it but i dont find the way to lauch the live session
[08:16] <thunderheart> frank_: j'ai essay, no reply ;)
[08:16] <frank_> thunderheart: what do you mean?
[08:16] <morrow> saxofun: do you have any special source.list entries?
[08:17] <thunderheart> frank_: je boot sur le desktop cd mais il ne me propose pas d'option pour la session live
[08:17] <nysosym> Lynoure: the Bug is not the same, i doesn`t have a notebook and when i click on Shutdown/Reboot, i see nothing, no splash ect. ill only become a black screen :(
[08:18] <frank_> thunderheart: do you have the graphical interface when you boot the cd?
[08:18] <thunderheart> frank_: yes
[08:18] <saxofun> morrow: no, I just used the normal sources.list and replaced the "breezy" with "dapper"
[08:18] <Lynoure> nysosym: It might or might not be laptop only... And yes, I also sometimes just got a black screen without any splash between
[08:18] <frank_> thunderheart: well that's the live cd.  there is an icon on the desktop for the installer
[08:19] <thunderheart> frank_: it displays (install in text mode ... boot from first hard disk)
[08:19] <morrow> saxofun: can you paste the output of apt-get install kubuntu-desktop into pastebin?
[08:19] <morrow> !paste
[08:19] <morrow> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[08:19] <Lynoure> nysosym: But, yeah, hard to say anything without knowing some more. Can you ssh in when it happens? or get a ping?
[08:19] <imbrandon> thunderheart: looks like you downloaded the text mode install cd
[08:19] <frank_> thunderheart: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso   this one?
[08:20] <thunderheart> imbrandon: perhaps yes, i download frm http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/dapper/
[08:20] <imbrandon> thunderheart: burn the one frank_ just said
[08:21] <thunderheart> frank_: which one ?
[08:21] <imbrandon> http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/pub/distro/ubuntu/iso/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[08:21] <nysosym> Lynoure: i can`t Ping and ssh doesn`t work :(
[08:22] <thunderheart> imbrandon: thanx
[08:22] <frank_> thunderheart: if you download kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386  then you get the text installer
[08:22] <Lynoure> nysosym: ssh does not work by default... but if the machine does not respond to ping it wouldn't respond to ssh prolly either
[08:24] <thunderheart> frank_: thanx, i will download the desktop cd
[08:24] <frank_> thunderheart: great
[08:25] <nysosym> brb
[08:25] <lowtech> hi folks, got a question for you. I understand the new release has a 3 year life cycle?
[08:26] <crimsun> desktop, yes
[08:26] <Pants> 5 years for the server
[08:26] <lowtech> I also heard it'll have the newest apps updated to it during the 3 years?
[08:28] <imbrandon> lowtech: possibly, there will be backports in the dapper-backports repos
[08:28] <lowtech> sorry, but i'm just confused. if it is going to have the newest apps updated to it during the 3 year cycle....why a life cycle at all?
[08:28] <Bilford> I hav 2 desktops
[08:29] <lowtech> what changes at the new life cycle?
[08:29] <Bilford> why are apps in the taskbar showing up in both desktop
[08:29] <imbrandon> lowtech: not all the apps will be updated to latest, the desktop will remain stable
[08:29] <lowtech> imbrandon: ok, that helps make the life cycle make sense to me then. appreciate it.
[08:30] <lowtech> how is the server edition? anyone tried it?
[08:30] <Bilford> nm
[08:30] <wt8008> frank_, my adept is still complaining, is there another lock somewhere else?
[08:30] <lowtech> might be too soon to ask since the new versions just came out
[08:31] <frank_> wt8008: try locate lock | grep apt
[08:31] <lowtech> thanks for answering my stupid questions. Think i'll download it and give it a shot.
[08:32] <lowtech> take care, later folks.
[08:33] <imbrandon> frank_: might have to "sudo updatedb &" first
[08:33] <Bilford> how do I know if XGL is running
[08:34] <wt8008> frank_, it found another lock file, and I have removed it, but adept is still complaining
[08:34] <imbrandon> Bilford: try #ubuntu-xgl channell they know all aoubt it ;)
[08:34] <saxofun> morrow: after the "apt-get -f install" the "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" seems to work now. Thanks frank_ ;)
[08:34] <Bilford> ty'
[08:34] <frank_> wt8008: imbrandon. my thinking cap is not too snug tonight.  I think I'll call it a night!  good night
[08:34] <wt8008> :P
[08:34] <imbrandon> hehe gnight frank_
[08:34] <frank_> saxofun: ;)
[08:34] <wt8008> night
[08:38] <ubuntu> Lotsa people, no talk
[08:38] <wt8008> i need to unlock my repository database, after adept crashed
[08:40] <lowtech> had one more question about the server edition...I assume it has apache2 and postfix, but what about ices and icecast....are those in its repo?
[08:40] <ahmed> it may still be running, do a ps x and see if you can spot it
[08:41] <Lynoure> lowtech: icecast-client/-server, icecast2, at least in some of the repos
[08:41] <OmniD> Hello, I am having a resolution problem
[08:41] <OmniD> Where kubuntu refuses to change the resolution to anything lower without logging me out
[08:41] <Lynoure> lowtech: in Universe.
[08:41] <lowtech> Lynoure: nice, thanks. could you check for webmin as well please?
[08:42] <OmniD> Is this a common problem?
[08:42] <Lynoure> lowtech: I'm pretty sure of it without checking (though I personally hate it :) )
[08:42] <kronoz> !easysource
[08:42] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:42] <Lynoure> lowtech: Hmm, no in universe at least
[08:42] <nysosym> Lynoure: with K7 Kernel reboot und shutdown works ver well :)
[08:43] <Lynoure> nysosym: Goodness :)
[08:43] <nysosym> thx for your help :)
[08:43] <Lynoure> nysosym: There is a joy in seeing ppl's troubles melt away :)
[08:43] <lowtech> Lynoure: ok :) thank you. think i'll download it and try it out anyway.
[08:44] <nysosym> brb
[08:45] <kronoz> !plf
[08:45] <ubotu> plf is probably the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf , mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[08:48] <mikedep333> hey, is there an easy way to install all the -doc packages for packages I already have installed?
[08:48] <Astinus-> hello, are there any pages which show diffrences between dvd and cd version?
[08:48] <OmniD> No one knows?
[08:49] <Lynoure> OmniD: how do you try to change it?
[08:49] <OmniD> Lynoure: I go to the display options
[08:49] <OmniD> Then I change it and apply
[08:49] <OmniD> after that it logs me out
[08:49] <OmniD> The display does not change
[08:51] <Lynoure> OmniD: and you went into adminstrator mode before doing them?
[08:52] <sampan> sheesh -- *sigh*  this upgrade is cursed ... just finish fixing one thing and then another go wonky -- now konq won't even open
[08:52] <OmniD> Nay, I just did haha
[08:52] <OmniD> For some reason... it can't do 800x600
[08:52] <PPower> i am trying to install the nvidia drivers of the nvidia website into kubuntu and they install fine but then when i start i get no graphical and usplash comes in doing nothing
[08:53] <PPower> i didnt have much luck with nvidia-glx
[08:53] <Lynoure> OmniD: I don't seem to get the change or my eyes are not good enough to tell the difference, but no logging me out happens either
[08:53] <OmniD> Only when I don't go to administrator mode it logs me out I just found this out
[08:54] <kronoz> !nvidia
[08:54] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:54] <OmniD> It did not reset back when it was all glitched out in 800x600... it just sat there
[08:54] <flo> hi ...if i do this:
[08:54] <flo> glxgears
[08:54] <flo> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:54] <flo> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[08:55] <OmniD> Really lame
[08:55] <OmniD> I did a hard boot so it wouldn't save
[08:55] <flo> wats happend?
[08:55] <Lynoure> OmniD: good luck, I must now sleep (I'm ill)
[08:55] <OmniD> Not good at all
[08:55] <OmniD> Oh no
[08:55] <OmniD> You get better
[08:55] <OmniD> Bye
[08:55] <flo> 2 dais ago all workd right
[08:55] <OmniD> Oh yeah it probably doesn't help that I'm using an ATI card
[08:55] <OmniD> forgot to mention this
[08:55] <lowtech> flo: verify the X config still has Load "glx"
[08:56] <flo> in sistem settings i have displai 1 on fgrlx driver
[08:57] <flo> lowtech: how can i verify that?
[08:57] <lowtech> flo: i haven't installed yet, but try looking in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:58] <l_r> hello
[08:58] <lowtech> thats if kubuntu uses xorg, and uses that path. heh. sorry
[08:58] <l_r> i just installed 6.06 . everything is perfect, expect that i cannot configure my adsl connection with the common adsl-* scripts
[08:59] <l_r> they are basic tools. i wonder why they didn't include them
[08:59] <OmniD> Should I be fine with a TNT2
[08:59] <OmniD> That's the only Nvidia card I have here
[08:59] <OmniD> 16MB
[09:00] <OmniD> It's old... but I imagine I'd have no problems, correct?
[09:02] <lowtech> i believe nvidia uses a unified driver that works on most of their cards. might check their site though.
[09:02] <bachstudies> kbrooks: I just emailed you my story as you requested yesterday
[09:03] <bachstudies> kbrooks: it is in abiword format...just let me know if you want it in another format
[09:03] <imbrandon> OmniD, yes you'll be fine
[09:05] <word> imbrandon: You know how I was saying my panel goes 'fuzzy' when I full screen something? Well ti doesn't happen all the time...when I full screen Opera when it has a page whose background isn't white...it doesn't happen...it's bizarre...
[09:06] <tulga> I need php IDE on dapper. where I find?
[09:07] <cfraz89> quanta plus is good
[09:07] <cfraz89> not sure how well it supports php though
[09:08] <cfraz89> its really a html editor
[09:08] <tulga> cfraz89: ok. tnx
[09:08] <cfraz89> np
[09:08] <raf> hello all, Where can I start if I want to make my own linux distro?
[09:09] <raf> I mean, make a CD with just the software I need
[09:12] <OmniD> imbrandon: thanks for the reassurance
[09:13] <imbrandon> tulga, Quanta plus "sudo  apt-get install quanta"
[09:15] <DaveQB> anyone know what mounts NFS mounts during boot up ??
[09:15] <DaveQB> cause since upgrading to Dapper my NFS mounts do not automount :(
[09:15] <DaveQB> is it the nfswait script?
[09:16] <DaveQB> I was going to my own RC to mount at the end of the boot process, but thought fixing this would be wiser :)
[09:18] <spafbnerf> hai hai
[09:18] <spafbnerf> my amarok on kubuntu dapper is all screwed up.....
[09:18] <spafbnerf> plays rly fast, makes no noise
[09:18] <spafbnerf> ne1 had this problem?
[09:19] <crimsun> using amarok 1.4.0a?
[09:21] <spafbnerf> nope it's 1.3.9
[09:21] <spafbnerf> damn my laptop also doesn't seem to know when the headfonez r plugged in.... this wil b a problem 4 work :)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: 1.3.9 is the default dapper version of amarok
[09:22] <spafbnerf> yes, it seems so
[09:22] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yep, I was going to suggest that {s,}he upgrade to 1.4.0a
[09:22] <spafbnerf> i run 1.4 @ home
[09:22] <crimsun> you can pretty much guess my train of thought when I asked version questions
[09:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah okay :P
[09:23] <Hobbsee> i believe that either the final is out, or close to th efinal
[09:23] <spafbnerf> but shurli default kubuntu ver shld at least b functional ?
[09:23] <spafbnerf> arg.... :p
[09:23] <spafbnerf> dapper woz sposed 2 b awesome, and so far it appears to be the most fuckedup ubuntu yet :p
[09:24] <kakalto> spafbnerf: oh, really? interesting xD
[09:24] <cfraz89> its good for me
[09:24] <kakalto> spafbnerf: do tell.
[09:25] <spafbnerf> yeah my smbfs is broken..... azwel as my amarok :(
[09:25] <cfraz89> hmmm
[09:25] <cfraz89> did you upgrade or fresh install?
[09:25] <OmniD> Okay this is really lame
[09:25] <OmniD> kubuntu refuses to go back into the OS
[09:25] <spafbnerf> i installed a snapshot of dev version week or two before release, then dist-upgrade'd
[09:26] <kakalto> I thought "broken" implied there was something working there to begin with
[09:26] <crimsun> spafbnerf: well, you should actually upgrade to kde 3.5.3 and amarok 1.4.0a first...
[09:26] <cfraz89> spafbnerf: what engine is amarok useing?
[09:26] <spafbnerf> crimsun, is it packaged?
[09:26] <kakalto> OmniD: "back into the OS"?
[09:26] <spafbnerf> xine
[09:26] <crimsun> spafbnerf: the topic is available to all to read...
[09:26] <cfraz89> have you installed the mp3 codecs?
[09:27] <spafbnerf> nope, i'd assumed xine came w those :)
[09:27] <OmniD> Yes
[09:27] <OmniD> It's sitting at the load screen
[09:27] <cfraz89> no, not in ubuntu + others
[09:27] <crimsun> xine comes with /some/. You need libxine-extracodecs for other codec support.
[09:27] <cfraz89> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:28] <spafbnerf> ok thx
[09:28] <kakalto> OmniD: can't you press F2 or something to see what it's doing?
[09:28] <kakalto> maybe it's escape
[09:28] <OmniD> I just realized that it was shutting down
[09:28] <OmniD> It boots into shutting down
[09:28] <OmniD> Great...
[09:28] <spafbnerf> ok it works now super
[09:29] <cfraz89> awesome
[09:29] <spafbnerf> i can liv w/o smbfs for a while cz i can at least use nfs at the office
[09:29] <cfraz89> smbfs should work though
[09:29] <spafbnerf> now just need to figr out how to disable this laptop spkr so i can use my hfonez :)
[09:29] <spafbnerf> yeah i dunno, it's fucked up:
[09:29] <spafbnerf> [4295168.244000]  smb_fill_super: missing data argument
[09:29] <cfraz89> try kmix
[09:29] <spafbnerf> ^ doing that :<
[09:30] <kakalto> hey yeah, what's up with all those numbers?
[09:30] <crimsun> spafbnerf: what laptop (make & manufacturer)?
[09:30] <kakalto> is it for keeping track of when/where the error came from?
[09:30] <OmniDistortion_> It keeps typing ^[[[B over and over and over
[09:30] <OmniDistortion_> What the hell is wrong with this OS here
[09:30] <spafbnerf> crimsun, yES! tu that did it 4 me :)
[09:31] <spafbnerf> hp nx8220, work gave it to me .... i don't blv in using laptops personally ;) being a cheapskate + power freak :p
[09:32] <crimsun> an nx8220, eh?
[09:32] <crimsun> jack sensing is supposed to work on those.
[09:34] <word> crimsun: could video driver problems be the cause for the kde panel to freak out when you full screen a window?
[09:35] <cfraz89> spafbnerf: maybe the jack is broken?
[09:35] <spafbnerf> crimsun, works on windoze... *shrug* actually it works in linux too now that i've enabled 'headphone jack sense' in kmix :)
[09:36] <spafbnerf> superness :)
[09:36] <crimsun> word: possibly but not probably
[09:36] <OmniDistortion_> I'm reinstalling kubuntu
[09:36] <crimsun> spafbnerf: heh, toldya
[09:36] <OmniDistortion_> hopefully this shizz works this time
[09:37] <word> crimsun: Well..I've noticed that in opera when it's full screened and the background of the web page isn't white it doesn't happen..it's bizarre..
[09:40] <dontm> first time after restarting, no network connection
[09:40] <dontm> installed via dist-upgrade
[09:40] <dontm> any ideas?
[09:40] <dontm> ifconfig shows eth0 is up and has an IP
[09:40] <dontm> i tried /etc/init.d/network restart too
[09:40] <intelikey> kde's desktop is hosed.   set to no pic  and single color  open and close a few apps and the desktop has trash all over it.  only way i've found to clear the trash is config set a picture then set back to no pic
[09:42] <dontm> anyone else lose network connectivity?
[09:42] <intelikey> dontm looks to me like the last updates did more damage than good they should have released last weak while things still worked.
[09:44] <intelikey> dontm didn't loose network but never had network,  dialup here.    lost the ability to config konsole and the desktop issue i mentioned and lilo borked all on the update to final.   all of which were fine a weak ago.
[09:45] <intelikey> and prolly things i haven't found yet....
[09:45] <kakalto> ow dialup
[09:45] <ctothej> how do i unzip a tar.bz2 file?
[09:45] <kakalto> ctothej: via comand line? or a graphical app?
[09:46] <ctothej> command line please
[09:46] <intelikey> tar -xjf file.name
[09:46] <kakalto> yup
[09:46] <kakalto> extracts to current dir.
[09:47] <ctothej> ahh nice. thanks.
[09:47] <ctothej> if it was a zip file, would it be tar -xzf file.name ?
[09:47] <intelikey> actually extracts the dir struct in the archive to current dir
[09:48] <intelikey> no if it was .zip it would be unzip   tar -xzf file  is for tar.gz archives
[09:48] <lowtech> tar -xzf is a .tar.gz
[09:49] <ctothej> gzip is a totally different compression scheme than zip?
[09:50] <intelikey> tar -xjf file.tar.bz2     tar -xzf file.tar.gz  (or .tgz)    unzip -r file.zip
[09:50] <intelikey> diferent yes.
[09:50] <ctothej> intelikey: thank you
[09:50] <intelikey> f
[09:51] <intelikey> bunzip file.bz2      gunzip file.gz
[09:52] <kakalto> how is kopete these days?
[09:52] <ctothej> oh. so .tar.bz2 is first tar'ed and then bzipped?
[09:52] <Astinus-> yes
[09:52] <kakalto> ctothej: yups :)
[09:52] <ctothej> ahh nice
[10:01] <ctothej> is there a way to put Konqueror in an admin/root access so that i can use it to move/remane or extract files in lower directories?
[10:01] <ctothej> raname*
[10:02] <_nano_> how do I add something in the PATH so that all users can use the same?
[10:02] <sampan> ctothej  you can always launch it, in cli, via kdesu konqueror ... and thus it will have admin privs (just don't go surfing with it like that!)
[10:03] <crazy_penguin> good day to all!
[10:03] <ctothej> sampan: ok. yeah ill make sure to only use it on files.
[10:04] <sampan> or just alt-f2 and then kdesu konqueror -- saves opening a shell :)
[10:05] <ctothej> sampan: would it be able to use extraction utilities since they are different programs?
[10:06] <sampan> ctothej  yeah, if you right-click the files, most likely you'll see a context menu with packing/unpacking options
[10:06] <ctothej> right... nice. thank you
[10:06] <sampan> yw :)
[10:07] <saj> !hi
[10:07] <ubotu> [hi]  Hello, saj!
[10:07] <kronoz> what repo is w32codecs in?
[10:08] <kyaneos> hi
[10:08] <saj> !avi
[10:08] <ubotu> I guess avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:08] <ctothej> how many commands can ubotu respond to?
[10:08] <kyaneos> i have a problem with kde
[10:09] <kyaneos> kicker tooltips looks strange
[10:15] <kakalto> kyaneos: describe "strange"
[10:16] <kyaneos> they look normal
[10:16] <kyaneos> like other tooltips
[10:17] <justice_> is there a difrence between kubuntu and ubuntu other than gnome/kde?
[10:17] <Bilford_> no
[10:17] <Bilford_> different apps
[10:17] <Bilford_> KDE apps and Gnome apps
[10:18] <Bilford_> but you can install both
[10:19] <justice_> well I am curintly downloading ubuntu but I perfer kde but like to try gnome so I guess it don't mater witch way I go
[10:21] <Hobbsee> justice_: you can always install kubuntu-desktop
[10:22] <justice_> how?
[10:22] <scheuri> aptitude install kde-desktop
[10:22] <ubunter> morning!
[10:23] <scheuri> or searching the paket kde-desktop in synaptic/adept or whatever software you use
[10:23] <justice_> I am glad to see a seperit server distro, I like ubuntu as a desktop, some isues but minor. I will definitly look at that  one.
[10:23] <ubunter> has anyone managed to get portrait-mode of monitor working?
[10:23] <justice_> thanks, I usualy use synaptic
[10:23] <justice_> morning :)
[10:26] <ubunter> still banging my head on xrandr
[10:26] <ubunter> radeon 9800 and still no sign that monitor pivoting works
[10:28] <justice_> I am actualy listing to the llts with an intervew with one of your people, I  cant remenber the name, but I like wat he is saying. keep up the good work
[10:30] <McNutella> well now going dapper, and its cleared alot up.. inluding my forefox extensive bookmarks and extensions
[10:30] <paines> hi
[10:30] <justice_> howdy
[10:33] <CStringa> anyone know when will be the dvd for amd64 availabile on http or ftp servers?
[10:37] <paines> CStringa, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/release/dvd/
[10:37] <ubuntu> l
[10:38] <ubuntu> lol@default name
[10:38] <omghi2u> is it possible to disable the pc speaker?
[10:39] <omghi2u> on other distros I just removed the speaker kernel module
[10:39] <omghi2u> i don't see that module in ubuntu, tell me it isn't built into th kernel
[10:48] <kronoz> omghi2u: try Kmenu > Sound & Multimedia > uncheck 'enable sound system'
[10:50] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:58] <kronoz> !automatix
[10:58] <ubotu> automatix is, like, unsafe, it overwrites configuration files, and does things like "echo -e 'y\nY\n'" that are considered risky. Please do not use it. There are alternative applications, such as !easyubuntu.
[10:58] <kronoz> !easyubuntu
[10:58] <ubotu> hmm... easyubuntu is an easy-to-use program for installing all your favorites. Java, Nvidia/ATI, and more. It is as safe as the team can make it. It doesn't change any settings by default. http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/.
[10:59] <kronoz> how can I play AVI files?
[10:59] <_nano_> !avi
[11:00] <ubotu> I heard avi is Video for Windows. For more info http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:00] <GazzaK> automatix now works really well, since that ubotu reply was written it has had lots of people working on it, and works really well in Dapper
[11:01] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: frankly after reading Arnieboy's posts to the mailing list, I wouldn't touch it on principle
[11:02] <thoreauputic> the guy is, to be kind, troubled
[11:02] <GazzaK> how about reading the automatix teams threads on the forum, it's not just left to one poor overworked guy any more
[11:03] <tulga> I have icon.tar.gz file. i need use these icons. where I copy?
[11:03] <Hobbsee> tulga: in system settings, appearances, icons
[11:04] <GazzaK> morning Hobbsee
[11:04] <Hobbsee> hey GazzaK
[11:04] <tulga> Hobbsee: I need KDE's icon files path.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> tulga: where'd you save the icon.tar.gz?  that's teh path
[11:04] <tulga> Hobbsee: no. I download icon from kde-look.org
[11:05] <Hobbsee> tulga: yes.  when you downloaded it, where did you save it?
[11:05] <tulga> in home dir
[11:05] <tulga> then I want replace old KDE icons
[11:05] <tobstarr> !ati
[11:06] <tobstarr> !kde
[11:06] <Hobbsee> tulga: then type /home/username/icon.tar.gz in the location
[11:09] <saj> hi i want to install libxine-extracodecs  but even after enabling multiverse and universe repositories in adept it still cant find it....is there a way of install libxine-extracodecs  via console?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> !info libsine-extracodecs
[11:09] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:09] <Hobbsee> !info libxine-extracodecs dapper
[11:09] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: (the xine video/media player library, binary files), section multiverse/libs, is optional. Version: 1.1.1+ubuntu1-2 (dapper), Packaged size: 1148 kB, Installed size: 2976 kB
[11:10] <Hobbsee> saj: sudo apt-get install packagename
[11:10] <Hobbsee> it should be there
[11:10] <saj> hobbsee: thnx
[11:12] <tobstarr> hi
[11:13] <saj> i tried that hobbsee but it didnt work. it sais package un availabe:S
[11:13] <Hobbsee> _nano_away: kill that away message please
[11:13] <Hobbsee> saj: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[11:13] <seaLne> on the live cd the ipw3945 wireless worked, any ideas what i need to do to get it to work after dapper is installed?
[11:14] <_nano_> Hobbsee: ?
[11:14] <seaLne> its a ibm t60
[11:14] <Hobbsee> _nano_: [19:12]  * _nano_ is away: Away at the moment
[11:14] <saj> hobbsee: pastebin?
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[11:14] <Hobbsee> !+pastebin
[11:14] <ubotu> Please do not flood the channel http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for pasting long texts it does not disrupt the channel. [webboard for Ubuntu: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269 : not an offical package] .Pastebin.nl is down right now please use http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com/ until pastebin.nl is back up
[11:15] <maleco> que es esto?
[11:15] <GazzaK> is that spanish?
[11:15] <maleco> yes
[11:15] <maleco> is spanish
[11:15] <GazzaK> !es
[11:15] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:15] <GazzaK> but moring maleco
[11:16] <GazzaK> s/moring/morning
[11:16] <maleco> hello everybody
[11:16] <maleco> im'm a new user of linux
[11:16] <_nano_> !rules
[11:16] <ubotu> You are invited to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:16] <GazzaK> do you like it? :)
[11:16] <maleco> and i don't know nothing
[11:16] <maleco> yes, i do
[11:17] <GazzaK> what do you not know?
[11:17] <saj> hobbsee: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com/753111
[11:17] <GazzaK> and not knowing nothing means you know everything :)
[11:17] <maleco> how to work in this SO
[11:17] <maleco> hha
[11:17] <maleco> haha
[11:18] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[11:18] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:18] <Hobbsee> saj: copy the stuff from the dapper link there into your /etc/apt/sources.list, sudo apt-get update, install it again, and it will work
[11:19] <maleco> who is obotu??
[11:19] <saj> bot..
[11:20] <imbrandon> !+ubotu
[11:20] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[11:20] <Hobbsee> never read that before
[11:20] <Hobbsee> thanks _nano_ :)
[11:20] <_nano_> Hobbsee: I'm sorry, I should have read the rules
[11:20] <Hobbsee> _nano_: it's cool :)
[11:20] <imbrandon> rules ?
[11:20] <Hobbsee> !rules
[11:20] <ubotu> You are invited to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:20] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[11:20] <_nano_> :P
[11:20] <maleco> what does bot mean?
[11:21] <imbrandon> maleco, not a personal, a "robot" per se
[11:21] <Hobbsee> !+bot
[11:21] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel except #debian-bots.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:21] <maleco> oooo
[11:21] <GazzaK> those rules rule
[11:21] <Hobbsee> that they do
[11:21] <Hobbsee> i agree with this bit in particular...
[11:22] <Hobbsee> Being an operator in #ubuntu is not a privilege, it's a responsibility.
[11:22] <saj> hobbsee: its down:(
[11:22] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> saj: hmmm?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> hmmm...op guidelines...
[11:23] <saj> hobbsee: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 is down...
[11:23] <maleco> so, what is this window? how works? what i'am doing?
[11:23] <imbrandon> i am thinking we need a kbotu sson though pointing to kubuntu specific wiki's
[11:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no.
[11:23] <imbrandon> saj,  is that for dapper ?
[11:23] <Hobbsee> for many reasons, but all in all, no
[11:23] <saj> yeh
[11:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: do you have a copy of what that repos supposed to look like?
[11:24] <imbrandon> here is a default dapper source.list
[11:24] <imbrandon> http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list
[11:24] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:24] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, only for dapper
[11:24] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:24] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what's the last link?
[11:25] <tobstarr> will kde 3.5.3 be also released for dapper?
[11:25] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5.3
[11:25] <ubotu> methinks kde3.5.3 is to upgrade to KDE3.5.3, Follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php (add the deb...line to your sources.list). Then "sudo apt-get update" and "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[11:25] <imbrandon> tobstarr, no probbly not but you can get the repos from the above link
[11:25] <tobstarr> okay
[11:25] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, was what the last link ?
[11:25] <tobstarr> thanx
[11:26] <imbrandon> the ubuntustuff link was "my" personal dapper sources.list with universe and multiverse enabled but nothing else
[11:26] <imbrandon> only official sources
[11:26] <GazzaK> has much changed from 3.5.2 to 3.5.3?
[11:26] <tobstarr> imbrandon: i did not know the update philosophie of ubuntu
[11:26] <saj> so guys do i paste that in the source.list file?
[11:26] <saj> and replace the existing bits?
[11:27] <imbrandon> saj, yes
[11:27] <imbrandon> just replace what you have with that file
[11:27] <saj> imbrandon: wipe all existing clean?
[11:27] <imbrandon> you can safely ignor the last line ( its commented out anyhow )
[11:28] <imbrandon> saj, yes , that has the default ones in it so you can wipe clean
[11:28] <saj> how do i write on that again...forgot thew command:(
[11:28] <imbrandon> kde ?
[11:29] <imbrandon> are you running kde ?
[11:29] <imbrandon> "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" if you are
[11:29] <saj> yup:D
[11:29] <imbrandon> yea that command with no quotes
[11:29] <GazzaK> whats the difference of "sudo kate" to "kdesu kate"
[11:30] <Hobbsee> !kdesu
[11:30] <ubotu> Use kdesu to run graphical applications with root priveleges when you have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.
[11:30] <imbrandon> GazzaK, sudo is not good to use with graphical apps
[11:30] <GazzaK> ahhhh
[11:30] <imbrandon> i should realy use the bot more
[11:30] <imbrandon> lol
[11:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i'ts useful
[11:30] <GazzaK> so if I run "sudo nano" it's okay
[11:30] <imbrandon> GazzaK, yes
[11:31] <GazzaK> woo
[11:31] <GazzaK> thanks, I never knew that
[11:31] <imbrandon> just dont use sudo for gui apps
[11:31] <Hobbsee> saves typing the same things over and over - if it's not there, and should be, then you can add it to the bot
[11:31] <imbrandon> yup yup Hobbsee
[11:31] <saj> thnx guys...got source.list updated:D...now the battle of installing codecs begins again:D
[11:31] <saj> lol
[11:31] <GazzaK> I do not like the automatix bot reply, it is outdated and I feel against the CoC
[11:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: just dont add rubbish to the bot, mmm kay?  :P
[11:31] <imbrandon> oh i dont
[11:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:32] <imbrandon> xcfg is the only thing i added i think in what ummm 4 months
[11:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:32] <MasterEvilAce> I updated to KDE 3.5.3 and now my laptop boots up with the MAX resolution (higher than what it can natively display).. i set it to 1600x1200, and restart and it's back to huge again. Is that a bug? or any way to fix this?
[11:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: so you added that - great, thanks :)
[11:33] <GazzaK> Hobbsee: it has had so much work it is almost unrecognisable to the older version...
[11:33] <Hobbsee> GazzaK: yay :)
[11:33] <saj> installing :P
[11:33] <saj> thnx guys again
[11:33] <GazzaK> and is now run by a team of great people, rather than being run by one guy who was overworked with support requests :(
[11:33] <imbrandon> GazzaK, i can see thats its outdated but against the CoC ?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: maybe write about it to the Sunder list explaining the changes - there's a lot of ill feeling because of past history you might help to dispel
[11:34] <GazzaK> so can the bot !automatix reply be altered to reflect current circumstances?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> *sounder <- I meant of course
[11:35] <imbrandon> GazzaK, yea follow thoreauputic would probbly be the best way , then it would be great to change iot
[11:35] <imbrandon> it*
[11:35] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: ubotu can be edited - but seveas is pretty anti-automatix and might revert it
[11:35] <GazzaK> I realise there is a past history, but I do feel it is worded in way way which is totally unfair
[11:35] <thoreauputic> ;)
[11:36] <saj> :D
[11:36] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: as I said, throw it in the ring with an explanation of how it has changed - and maybe attach the script if it still a script
[11:36] <GazzaK> it's fine being anti something, but if it is unfair and well just wrong wording, then it must be retified
[11:36] <GazzaK> thoreauputic: how do I do this?
[11:36] <saj> is there any way of importing windows media settings into one of the KDE players?
[11:36] <saj> ie the EQ settings?
[11:36] <imbrandon> sounder mailing list
[11:36] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: join the Sounder mailing list, write an email
[11:37] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: to be honest I don't think there's much chance of a change in attitude - too much history to deal with
[11:37] <imbrandon> saj, not that i'm aware of ( the eq settings *
[11:37] <thoreauputic> but feel free to try
[11:37] <saj> kk
[11:38] <GazzaK> thanks, i'll try
[11:38] <Hobbsee> !repos
[11:38] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:38] <imbrandon> thoreauputic, GazzaK but still possible if you make a sound argument not *just* automatix is better now ......
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Why don't the automatix team and the easyubuntu team get together then?
[11:39] <saj> hmmm in adept...i keep getting message to update PCMCIA support thingi...but since i doent even have PCMCIA...i right click and hit request remove and then it adds to the list of remove thingis Kubuntu and ubuntu desktops:S
[11:40] <kbrooks> thoreauputic: what do you mean? AX has ripped off keyes already
[11:40] <imbrandon> saj, kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage ist fine to remove
[11:40] <saj> aaah
[11:40] <saj> kk
[11:40] <kbrooks> imbrandon: its not "fine" to remove it
[11:40] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: sorry I'm not up to speed on this to be honest
[11:41] <kbrooks> thoreauputic: why do you think that the AX and EU teams should get together?
[11:41] <mrmist> Hi all :)
[11:42] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: i don't necessarily - I was asking about it because GazzaK was complaining about the automatix factoid
[11:42] <mrmist> I''m running GAIM, and the icon in the tray isn't transparent. Is there any way to fix it ??
[11:42] <imbrandon> kbrooks, if you are not using the default packages its almost impossible to keep kubuntu-desktop ( ie you dont want/need pcmcia support or dont want/need openoffice )
[11:42] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: personally I don't use automatix, and I don't recommend it either
[11:42] <kbrooks> imbrandon: you can ADD IT BACK
[11:43] <imbrandon> kbrooks, then it will install the oo.o files again ;)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> !repos
[11:43] <kbrooks> imbrandon: no, it wont.
[11:43] <kbrooks> imbrandon: you dont get apt
[11:43] <Hobbsee> hmmm...bot is screwed.
[11:43] <kbrooks> imbrandon: listen very carefully, ok?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[11:43] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.  Dapper sources list mirrored at http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com/753128
[11:44] <Hobbsee> !goodbot
[11:44] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Hobbsee
[11:44] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:44] <saj> guys....just realised.
[11:44] <kbrooks> imbrandon: when you remove a package that depends on other packages...
[11:44] <kbrooks> imbrandon: are the packages removed? no
[11:45] <saj> adept notifier....when its in the task bar thingi adept has problems...ie when you start it from the gui it starts loading and then disapeers...
[11:45] <kbrooks> imbrandon: therefore, we can deduce from that when we reinstall this package, it will not reinstall the OO.o files
[11:46] <GazzaK> kbrooks: can you define what you meant by "AX has ripped off Keyes" - just as I don't know what you mean?
[11:46] <kbrooks> because apt has not removed these packages when you removed the package that depended on them
[11:47] <kbrooks> GazzaK: well, i meant HAD.  AX is derived from the _original_ EasyUbuntu. the _original_ EasyUbuntu (i.e. the shell script) was licensed under the GPL
[11:48] <thoreauputic> kbrooks: what license does AX use?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> if any ..
[11:48] <GazzaK> do they not acknowledge that source?
[11:48] <kbrooks> GazzaK: arnieboy did license AX under the GPL like he was supposed to, but sometime he changed the license to his own license
[11:48] <imbrandon> kbrooks , wrong i just tried it ........ have a look ....... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/753142
[11:49] <kbrooks> GazzaK: (i believe he relicensed it under the GPL_
[11:49] <kbrooks> )/*
[11:49] <kbrooks> GazzaK: i mean "i believe that he already relicensed it again under the GPL"
[11:50] <kbrooks> GazzaK: anyway, this license said that you couldn't redistributte AX
[11:50] <GazzaK> kbrooks: maybe it is the pacifist in me, but I hate the ill feeling between the three camps with regards AX, EB or manually adding stuff...
[11:51] <GazzaK> and being linux for a month and a half, I do not know the history behind these feelings, I can only go on what I see now...
[11:51] <kbrooks> GazzaK: well, we and AX could get together, but ... robotgeek tried to contribute to automatix before attempting the fork
[11:52] <GazzaK> I was told that EB wanted to stay codecs only
[11:52] <kbrooks> GazzaK: not true
[11:52] <GazzaK> kbrooks: is it okay to talk about this here?
[11:53] <kbrooks> GazzaK: wel, you can talk in #kubuntu-offtopic or  #easyubuntu
[11:53] <thoreauputic> GazzaK: #ubuntu-offtopic would be more appropriate perhaps
[11:53] <thoreauputic> or those that kbrooks said :)
[11:54] <GazzaK> thanks folks
[11:54] <imbrandon> kbrooks, i wanted to show you what i was talking about  ...... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/753142
[11:54] <kbrooks> imbrandon: im lazy. h/o
[11:54] <imbrandon> k
[11:59] <windshear> hello
[12:00] <windshear> anyone knows why shipit does not include 6.06 for mac?
[12:03] <windshear> hello
[12:03] <saj> where is the file for the Kmenu? want to edit it...
[12:04] <imbrandon> saj, its a program , run it from terminal "kmenuedit"
[12:04] <saj> kk thnx
[12:04] <imbrandon> windshear, no idea
[12:04] <imbrandon> windshear, you can probbly email them and ask them for one though
[12:05] <windshear> hm, ok I'll do that
[12:05] <saj> hmmm...there are some things here with no commands. for example debian and development
[12:06] <saj> would it effect the system if i was to delete these?
[12:06] <windshear> I'd download it and burn it but my mac has problems reading burned cd's...
[12:11] <saj> imbrandon: would removing any of the menus which doent have a command in the from the kmenuedit, do anything? or are these errenous items?
[12:11] <ArmedKing> When running adept it tells me that the database is locked and that maby an other program is using it. But when looking at running procceces there's nothing running. even a hard reboot does'nt help.
[12:11] <imbrandon> saj, they are there for is you ever add a program under that
[12:12] <imbrandon> saj, they are fine to leave there
[12:12] <saj> imbrandon: incase if any future programs are installed which are ment to go into them..would they recreate those submenu items?
[12:13] <imbrandon> saj no idea
[12:13] <saj> imbrandon: kk
[12:19] <visik7> is there already a kopete 0.12.0 package ?
[12:19] <ArmedKing> anyone know how to get my aptget database unlocked?
[12:20] <visik7> !lock
[12:20] <ArmedKing> When starting adept it tells me that the database is in use. And it puts me in read only mode
[12:21] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: try deleting /var/lib/dpkg/lock and /var/cache/apt/archives/lock. close any apps that might be using apt before doing so.
[12:22] <Lynoure> Interesting
[12:23] <Terminus-> Lynoure: what's interesting?
[12:23] <Lynoure> Using System Settings to lower display resolution made it so the only way I could get a higher resolution was by restoring an old xorg.conf. The change of settings had deleted all the other display mode options from there...
[12:23] <mirspcm> & doesn't deamonize it justgoes in the backround ...
[12:24] <mirspcm> you need nohup or screen
[12:24] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Does'nt work
[12:24] <Lynoure> No, afterwards, I get a occasional weird flicker on my screen
[12:24] <mirspcm> woops sorry
[12:24] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: you closed all apt apps like adept, aptitude, etc. before deleting?
[12:24] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: you have to be root to delete those by the way.
[12:25] <ArmedKing> Yeah, Nothing runner as far as i can c. It does the same after hard Rebooting too.
[12:26] <Lynoure> the flickers happen when do do something, e.g. finish typing a line in konsole. And it looks like super fast windows popping up for a tiny fragment of a second
[12:26] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: i'm gonna try to look for other lockfiles...
[12:26] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Tnx
[12:29] <chakie_work> do the comments here indicate that it's no good idea trying to upgrade to dapper from breezy?
[12:29] <kosnick> what is the script file for KPPP where i can add "noauth"?
[12:30] <Lynoure> Terminus-: If you have any idea what might cause the flickers and how to get rid of them, anything would be appriciated
[12:31] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: i found four lockfiles but i'm afraid deleting them might hose your system. i'm not sure about that kind of stuff. anyway, they're /var/lib/apt/lists/lock, /var/lib/dpkg/lock, /var/lib/aptitude/lock, and /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[12:31] <saj> !konsole
[12:31] <ubotu> saj: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:32] <kosnick> !console
[12:32] <ubotu> kosnick: I give up. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:32] <saj> !terminal
[12:32] <saj> !console
[12:32] <ubotu> saj: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:33] <saj> hahahaha lol
[12:33] <saj> !console
[12:33] <saj> lol its quit on me lol rofl...Ubotu rules:D lol
[12:33] <_nano_> where do I put my own init scripts that need to be run once I log in?
[12:33] <saj> !ur the best
[12:33] <ubotu> saj: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:33] <saj> lol
[12:34] <_nano_> !bot-abuse
[12:34] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _nano_
[12:34] <davidhouse> hi guys. i have a 3.5GB video file on the web i'd like to watch. i thought kmplayer, using mplayer as a back-end, would be the best way of doing this without downloading it, but it's still incredibly jerky. any tips on getting mplayer to buffer the file?
[12:34] <chakie_work> davidhouse: mplayer has lots of buffering options. read the docs
[12:34] <saj> is there a way to fidle with the console schema via commands?
[12:34] <kosnick> what is the script file for KPPP where i can add "noauth"?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> !botabuse
[12:35] <ubotu> You can play with me in /msg or #debian-bots without being banned.
[12:35] <davidhouse> chakie_work: all right, thanks.
[12:35] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Does'nt hose my system. And it doe'snt get rid of the problem too. Man this is so frustrating.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> visik7: no there isnt
[12:36] <Terminus-> Lynoure: i'm not sure, maybe the flickers are because of the low refresh rate?
[12:36] <visik7> ok I hold the breath
[12:36] <Hobbsee> visik7: long wait till edgy :P
[12:37] <visik7> Hobbsee: ?!?!
[12:37] <Hobbsee> no, wait, only 4 months...
[12:37] <Hobbsee> visik7: it wont happen in dapper
[12:37] <visik7> I don't bother if a package is in official repo or not
[12:38] <visik7> Hobbsee: infact I'm running kde 3.5.3 on dapper
[12:38] <Lynoure> Terminus: Laptop... it was 60 before too, and those window flickers don't seem to match any existing windows
[12:39] <davidhouse> chakie_work: hmm... i ran mplayer with -cache 8192, but i keep getting messages like 'alsa-play: xrun of at least 0.010 msecs. resetting stream' in the terminal. that doesn't seem right.
[12:39] <Lynoure> Terminus: Hmm, it might have gone away with a reboot, which is weird, as restart of x should have been enough, I think and that didn't help
[12:39] <_nano_> visik7: sorry i joined in late, what was your query?
[12:39] <saj> is there a gui way to fidle with the menubar on the console?
[12:39] <chakie_work> davidhouse: well, you need a lot of bandwidth. too slow network?
[12:40] <Terminus-> Lynoure: heh, beats me...
[12:40] <saj> something along lines of the kmenuedit
[12:40] <visik7> _nano_: if there is a package for kopete 0.12.0
[12:40] <Terminus-> stupid question, is there anyway i can get konqueror to stop prompting me if i want to save a password or not?
[12:40] <davidhouse> chakie_work: perhaps. but i shouldn't be worried about the alsaplay messages?
[12:40] <_nano_> visik7: you could always compile the source and put in a local folder
[12:40] <saj> !A.L.I.C.E.
[12:40] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, saj
[12:40] <_nano_> visik7: in that way you could preview it before installing it...
[12:40] <visik7> Terminus: I hate it tooo is due to the fact that dapper has kwallet enabled
[12:41] <_nano_> visik7: just need to modify the flags so that it doesn't put the bin files in the usr/bin etc
[12:41] <Terminus-> visik7: yeah... a bit annoying. i use kwallet for kopete but i don't want to use it for konqueror.
[12:41] <Lynoure> Terminus: A person speculated it was the kdm getting itself reloaded that did it, that restarting xserver didn't restart kdm properly. Sounds kinda like a theory to buy into
[12:41] <visik7> Terminus: I've removed kwallet at all due to this annoing problem
[12:42] <visik7> Terminus: I hate to save password for sites
[12:42] <visik7> there are already cookies that do this
[12:44] <Terminus-> visik7: it's still convenient for kopete and my multiple IM accounts, i just wish there was a way to selectively disable the apps that use it.
[12:44] <visik7> I've try to ban konq from kwallet
[12:44] <visik7> but still reask for each site
[12:44] <visik7> really annoing
[12:44] <OmniDistortion_> How to install Opera
[12:45] <OmniD> I aparently have to use install.sh
[12:45] <OmniD> Not working
[12:45] <visik7> OmniD: there is the deb for ubuntu on the opera site
[12:45] <OmniD> deb? I downloaded the one for breezy
[12:45] <OmniD> It came in a tar.gz though
[12:46] <OmniD> Should I use debs?
[12:46] <visik7> better way
[12:46] <visik7> yes
[12:46] <_nano_> Where do I put scripts to execute once I login thru kdm?
[12:46] <h3sp4wn> If you are using dapper you should get the one from the opera desktop teams blog
[12:46] <morrow> ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:46] <visik7> _nano_:  ~/.kde/Autostart
[12:46] <_nano_> thanks guys!
[12:47] <_nano_> so I can put path commands etc over there I guess?
[12:47] <h3sp4wn> http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-300/intel-linux/opera-static_9.0-20060526.1-qt_en_dapper_i386.deb
[12:47] <OmniD> Static QT package?
[12:47] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Problem solved when running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and then "sudo apt-get update"
[12:47] <_nano_> visik7, morrow: one more question, would these scripts be executed before loading KDE or after?
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> OmniD: The only one specifically for dapper
[12:48] <morrow> they are startet by kde...
[12:48] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: hehe. nice to know. deleting lockfiles has always worked for me before... :|
[12:48] <_nano_> so I guess after loading KDE...
[12:48] <_nano_> cool
[12:48] <OmniD> oh allright I'll check it out
[12:48] <it_kubuntu> hello folks
[12:49] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Even after deleting database whas still locked. But only thing is that i dont'nt know what caused the problem. But least there is a solution LOL
[12:49] <alinmn> zhanms
[12:49] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: that used to happen to me whenever i'd run aptitude through ssh and i'd get disconnected for some reason or another. hahaha
[12:50] <it_kubuntu> how to adjust ooo2 menu fonts? http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot8oq.png
[12:51] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Does that go for remote desktop as well. Because that happend today lol
[12:51] <OmniD> okay
[12:51] <OmniD> downloaded the file now what do I do with this here .deb
[12:52] <OmniD> sorry I'm completely new to this
[12:52] <Terminus-> ArmedKing: haha. nowadays, i make sure that i use screen before i start aptitude, so that at least i have a way to shut it down properly. =D
[12:52] <ArmedKing> Terminus-: Good Idea!
[12:54] <Hobbsee> visik7: sure. but the only way you'll get kopete 0.12 is from svn, unless tehy've made a release, and you compile it yourself
[12:55] <visik7> 0.12.0 is out
[12:55] <visik7> released
[12:55] <Hobbsee> oh goody
[12:55] <visik7> is for this reason that I ask for a pkg
[12:57] <OmniD> err
[12:57] <OmniD> I told it to install the package
[12:57] <OmniD> Did I do this right at all? I don't see anything come of it.
[12:58] <paines> anyone successfully running 32bit firefox on an amd64 installation ?
[12:59] <cromo> anyone can please explain me why does superkaramba depends on xmms? This dependency is kind of weird...
[01:00] <visik7> cromo: are u using kde3.5.3 packages ?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> visik7: true.  maybe it'll happen, i dont know...
[01:01] <OmniD> So I unpacked the .deb... what now
[01:02] <Terminus-> OmniD: to install a deb, you can use 'dpkg -i foo.deb'
[01:02] <OmniD> Well it's depacked already
[01:02] <OmniD> but what do I do after that
[01:03] <OmniD> I used the depackage shell command and then it asked for a password
[01:03] <Terminus-> OmniD: ummm... you're not supposed to unpack it. dpkg takes care of installing it.
[01:03] <OmniD> Oh.
[01:03] <OmniD> What did I just do then?
[01:04] <Terminus-> OmniD: what exactly did you type? you're trying to install opera right?
[01:04] <Ace2005> hey i'm using opera now
[01:04] <OmniD> I didn't type anything
[01:04] <OmniD> Yes I am
[01:04] <Ace2005> are you trying to install it? opera 9?
[01:04] <OmniD> I used the second mouse button over it
[01:04] <OmniD> Yes
[01:05] <OmniD> I think...
[01:05] <Terminus-> OmniD: hmmm... i'm not really familiar with the GUI way of doing things. >.<
[01:05] <OmniD> Whichever one was linked to
[01:05] <Ace2005> whats the problem with the install?
[01:06] <OmniD> I went to "Kubuntu Package Menu | Install Package"
[01:06] <Terminus-> OmniD: you can just open a terminal and type 'dpkg -i opera.deb' that should take care of it. then you can just run opera.
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Terminus-: the kubuntu package menu should work too
[01:06] <Ace2005> Is this beta 2?
[01:06] <Ace2005> or build 300?
[01:07] <OmniD> 'requested operation requires superuser priveledge'
[01:08] <Terminus-> Hobbsee: yeah... i'm just not familiar with it. >.<
[01:08] <OmniD> I'm new to this aparently, how would I login as a superuser?
[01:08] <Ace2005> You just have to download opera-static_9.0-20060526.1-qt_en_dapper_i386.deb from http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-300/intel-linux/ to your home dir if you like and then right click Kubuntu Package Menu > Install Package
[01:08] <Ace2005> oh
[01:08] <OmniD> I did do that actually
[01:08] <OmniD> What happens after it's unpacked?
[01:08] <OmniD> Is there a shortcut to the program somewhere?
[01:09] <Ace2005> you press Alt + F2 and then type opera
[01:09] <Terminus-> OmniD: try pressing ALT+F2 and typing opera if it doesn't have a menu.
[01:09] <twinoatl> hi
[01:09] <Ace2005> hi
[01:09] <OmniD> hey there it goes
[01:09] <OmniD> Thanks Terminus-
[01:10] <twinoatl> I'm on breezy for 6 months now. K3b always worked... until today. When I launch it, nothing happens (even on a terminal). It worked yesterday
[01:10] <twinoatl> $ k3b
[01:11] <twinoatl> $ echo $?
[01:11] <twinoatl> 0
[01:11] <Terminus-> OmniD: you're welcome. i just said the same thing Ace2005 said. hehe
[01:11] <OmniD> Oh haha
[01:11] <OmniD> I just noticed
[01:11] <OmniD> Thanks to you too Ace2005
[01:11] <twinoatl> I burned a DVD yesterday without problem. Now, nothing happens when I launch K3b
[01:12] <OmniD> Do I do this with all programs I install?
[01:12] <Ace2005> doesn't matter as long as long as you got the help you needed
[01:12] <McScruff> hi i installed vmware player from repo , but now i have the workstation which i cant install because it detected a previus install even after i remove it
[01:12] <Ace2005> Alt + F2 is a fast way of running a program if you know its name
[01:12] <twinoatl> do you have problems with k3b ?
[01:13] <OmniD> It doesn't create any shortcuts though?
[01:13] <OmniD> I figured it'd make one in the shortcut menu under internet programs
[01:13] <it_kubuntu> nobody know how to solve the problem related to font menu in openoffice???
[01:13] <Ace2005> twinoatl; mine seems to work fine
[01:14] <it_kubuntu> http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot8oq.png - this is a screenshot to demostrate the difference between font in konqueror and writer
[01:14] <it_kubuntu> :-(
[01:14] <twinoatl> do you know what I can do to understand where is the pb ?
[01:14] <Terminus-> OmniD: i'm not sure if opera supplies a shortcut. you can always just make your own. :)
[01:15] <OmniD> How would I do that?
[01:15] <Shuriken> hello, yesterday i've re-installed my kubuntu dapper, now i can't mount any external devices (USB keys, CD, DVD)
[01:15] <martinjh99> Afternoon all
[01:15] <Terminus-> OmniD: right click on the K Menu and use the menu editor or right click on the desktop and create a new shortcut.
[01:15] <martinjh99> Is there an FTP site for the DVD edition??  Bittorrent is going to take ages...
[01:15] <Shuriken> any ideas ?
[01:16] <Ace2005> twinoatl; did you update anything since yesterday?
[01:16] <Shuriken> (in command line, the error message says the device doesn't exist)
[01:16] <twinoatl> I don't think so
[01:17] <twinoatl> Ace2005: I've just removed all k3b files in my ~/.kde directory, without success
[01:17] <Ace2005> twinoatl; reinstalled k3b?
[01:17] <twinoatl> Ace2005: yes, a complete remove
[01:18] <martinjh99> Is there an FTP site for the DVD edition??  Bittorrent is going to take ages...
[01:22] <twinoatl> Ace2005: I'm stupid !
[01:23] <PPower> hello all. i am having a LOT of trouble with the latest nvidia drivers
[01:23] <Ace2005> twinoatl; why?
[01:24] <twinoatl> Ace2005: because it was launched on an other desktop :-)
[01:24] <Ace2005> lol
[01:24] <twinoatl> :-)
[01:24] <PPower> has anyone here had any sucsess with the nvidia drivers
[01:25] <Ace2005> i'm having problem with those as well
[01:25] <PPower> what error do you get
[01:26] <Ace2005> is it a version mismatch problem too?
[01:27] <McScruff> Hi, where can i report bugs?
[01:27] <paines> PPower, yes
[01:27] <Ace2005> x driver version: 1.0-8756 and GLX module version: 1.0-8762
[01:27] <twinoatl> Ace2005: thank you
[01:27] <twinoatl> Ace2005: bye
[01:27] <kakalto> !bugs
[01:27] <Ace2005> bye
[01:27] <PPower> paines: whenever i try to use either the official nvidia drivers or the premade ones in the repos it just stops x from working
[01:27] <McScruff> !bugs
[01:28] <kakalto> McScruff: Sadly I can't remember right now, and ubotu doesn't respond to !bugs.... try google?
[01:28] <kakalto> !bug
[01:28] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:28] <kakalto> ah there
[01:28] <Ace2005> PPower: are you using a fresh install of dapper or have you updated from previous ones like me?
[01:28] <PPower> fresh install
[01:28] <McScruff> ty
[01:28] <kakalto> np
[01:29] <Vliegendehuiskat> hm
[01:29] <Vliegendehuiskat> i'm running
[01:29] <Vliegendehuiskat> finally
[01:29] <kakalto> congratulations, Vliegendehuiskat
[01:29] <McScruff> i cba to register, who wants to file my bugs?
[01:30] <Vliegendehuiskat> well :P
[01:30] <Vliegendehuiskat> since its a dammn laptop
[01:30] <Hobbsee> McScruff: what bug?
[01:31] <McScruff> Hobbsee: after installing vmware-player from repo, you must uninstall it if you want to upgrade to vmware workstation, so i uninstalled it useing adept, but it doesnt remove it properly and vmware workstation wont install - fix = manuelly delete /etc/vmware after adept has removed it all
[01:32] <PPower> paines: what do you advise?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> McScruff: ah.  ick.
[01:33] <McScruff> :)
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> McScruff: That is vmware's bug not ubuntu's
[01:34] <McScruff> h3sp4wn: i thought it would be ubuntus because it does remove the /etc/vmware properly?
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> McScruff: Ubuntu only deletes config files if you use aptitude puge or the equivalent apt-get command
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> McScruff: Now dapper has been released hopefully vmware will release a proper udev enabled version
[01:35] <McScruff> :)
[01:36] <Ace2005> PPower: i'm off, i'm just going to wait untill its updated
[01:36] <OmniD> Which version of GAIM should I download
[01:36] <h3sp4wn> McScruff: Its so slow to start vm's unless usb is disabled (and its scans /proc/bus/usb instead of the 2.6 way)
[01:36] <OmniD> I see no .deb files...
[01:37] <McScruff> h3sp4wn: i just install it coz that way i never have to turn lappy off to get windows (now i can vmware and then stick it in suspend to hdd when i finished using lappy)
[01:37] <RogueJediX> Here's a quick question: Where'd alsaconf go?
[01:38] <h3sp4wn> McScruff: I don't use it anymore qemu is fine for what I was using it for
[01:39] <_nano_> is prelink.bin an extremely necessary process? it eats up all my resources :(
[01:39] <RogueJediX> I think my alsa configuration is a bit off and I can't find it
[01:39] <_nano_> if I kill prelink.bin when it's running..would it be catastrophic?
[01:40] <PPower> _nano_: better to be safe than sorry ;-)
[01:40] <_nano_> :(
[01:40] <OmniD> _nano_: prelink.bin believes in karma don't do it
[01:40] <PPower> i dont have a prelink
[01:40] <_nano_> heh
[01:41] <_nano_> PPower: it runs once in a day
[01:41] <OmniD> How about this here GAIM
[01:41] <imbrandon> OmniD, sudo apt-get install gaim ?
[01:41] <OmniD> oh yeah
[01:41] <OmniD> I could very well do that huh
[01:41] <_nano_> PPower: i have a laptop, and i usually work at night, and that's when it runs :|
[01:41] <PPower> _nano_: ok. now why cant my nvidia driver run every bootup? this is really annoying! i need supertux svn!
[01:41] <imbrandon> OmniD, yea its not windows , you dont have to download everything ;)
[01:42] <_nano_> PPower: what do you mean by "every bootup" ..it runs sometimes?
[01:42] <OmniD> Invalid operation 'gaim'
[01:42] <imbrandon> you forgot install OmniD
[01:42] <PPower> _nano_: i was exagerating or whatever. i mean why doesnt it start up without killing X
[01:42] <OmniD> That's what I was asking
[01:42] <OmniD> what do I install
[01:42] <imbrandon> apt-get INSTALL gaim
[01:42] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get INSTALL gaim
[01:42] <OmniD> oh my bad
[01:42] <_nano_> PPower: i need to understand it better, you mean...when you kill X, it only starts up then?
[01:42] <OmniD> olo
[01:42] <imbrandon> you forgot the install
[01:43] <martinjh99> Is there an FTP site for the DVD edition??  Bittorrent is going to take ages...
[01:43] <imbrandon> martinjh99, not unless its listed
[01:43] <OmniD> could not get lock blah blah
[01:43] <PPower> _nano_: What I mean is that when I enable nvidia in the config file X does not start up any more. i have a 6600LE so it should work. tried both package and nvidia one
[01:43] <imbrandon> OmniD, then you have adept or synaptic open or something
[01:43] <imbrandon> or forgot sudo
[01:44] <OmniD> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (ll Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:44] <martinjh99> Ah OK - Never mind...  Just have to put up with 38k/sec instead of nearly 500... :(
[01:44] <OmniD> Huh
[01:44] <PPower> _nano_: ill be back soon
[01:44] <_nano_> PPower: k
[01:44] <imbrandon> sudo apt-get install gaim
[01:44] <_nano_> PPower: cfraz99 is an expert in this ...catch him when you find him around
[01:44] <OmniD> No I didn't forget sudo, but I don't think I have adept or synaptic open either
[01:44] <imbrandon> OmniD, do you  have adept or synaptic open ?
[01:45] <OmniD> I don't think so... I just started using this OS so I've no clue how to check
[01:45] <imbrandon> look by your clock see if the updatemgr is running
[01:45] <OmniD> Nope it's not
[01:45] <imbrandon> run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:45] <OmniD> I checked there first, only clipboard sound konversation KDE wallet and Opera
[01:46] <OmniD> I'll try that
[01:46] <OmniD> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:46] <OmniD> ack
[01:46] <OmniD> sorry
[01:46] <imbrandon> lol
[01:46] <OmniD> I've got two computers here you understand right
[01:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:46] <OmniD> Sometimes I forget which keyboard leads to which
[01:47] <OmniD> status area is locked by another process
[01:47] <OmniD> OH!
[01:47] <OmniD> I see adept
[01:47] <imbrandon> heh
[01:47] <OmniD> Huh I don't remember opening it
[01:47] <imbrandon> close it and try again ;)
[01:47] <OmniD> E: couldn't find package gaim
[01:47] <RogueJediX> So, anyone have any idea why I don't have alsaconf on my puter
[01:47] <imbrandon> dapper ?
[01:48] <OmniD> Yes
[01:48] <imbrandon> one sec
[01:48] <OmniD> kubuntu i386 6.06 desktop CD version
[01:48] <atul> hi, i need some help with amarok on dapper, i've upgraded and now amarok refuses to play anything (no error message) sound itself is working
[01:48] <imbrandon> OmniD, do you have universe and multivers enabled ?
[01:49] <OmniD> Oh I don't. I wonder if I can get them to work this time now that wifi is working well.
[01:49] <GazzaK> atul, that sounds like the mp3 codecs?
[01:49] <OmniD> I had to do this last time, but they couldn't connect.
[01:49] <RogueJediX> atul: Join the club. Same problem here
[01:49] <imbrandon> OmniD, make your sources look like http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/sources.list
[01:49] <atul> gazzak, yes could be.....
[01:49] <OmniD> My sources?
[01:50] <imbrandon> ok ..... edit "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:50] <atul> RogueJediX, is this a widespread problem?
[01:50] <omnidistortion_> okay this is better
[01:51] <RogueJediX> atul: Can't say. For now it's just you and me.
[01:51] <iNiku> RogueJediX: I thought your problem was different
[01:51] <RogueJediX> atul: Yesterday, I've figured out that the mp3 codecs are installed just fine, so it's somrthing else
[01:51] <iNiku> sound is not working for you at all, right?
[01:52] <iNiku> atul says sound is working, it's just amarok that isn't
[01:52] <atul> how do i check my mp3 codecs?
[01:52] <atul> yes soound is fine (kde sys bels etc come through)
[01:52] <iNiku> atul: you can actually get some sound out of your system?
[01:52] <iNiku> okay
[01:52] <iNiku> then your problem is different from RogueJediX's
[01:52] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Yeah, then I remembered that I somehow configured apt to answer Y to all questions during upgrade so my alsa.conf could've been overwritten
[01:53] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Tried remedying my problem with alsaconf, but I couldn't find it
[01:53] <atul> when i try to play a mp3 amarok it just skips through and says playlist finished
[01:53] <iNiku> RogueJediX: ah, but then the old one should be there as alsa.conf.dpkg-old or something like that
[01:53] <_nano_> ubotu tell atul about mp3
[01:53] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Sweet. Where is it?
[01:53] <iNiku> atul: have you followed the restricted formats guide?
[01:54] <iNiku> RogueJediX: dunno, wherever alsa.conf is... /etc?
[01:54] <RogueJediX> iNiku: Nope. Already checked yesterday.
[01:54] <RogueJediX> Wait. Found it
[01:54] <omnidistortion_> Okay can someone repaste the link to whatever was told to me earlier?
[01:54] <atul> iniku: wait i'll just go through that, but it was working before, does the upgrade destroy settings?
[01:56] <Davidosky> Ciao a tutti
[01:56] <PPower> _nano_: thanks
[01:57] <PPower> is cfraz89 the same person as cfraz99?
[01:57] <TonyGao> Can anyone give me a link/way to install kubuntu dapper desktop CD from harddisk(there's a grub on my PC)
[01:58] <cfraz89> i dont think so
[01:58] <atul> iniku, do I need to change my sourced to install libxine-extracodecs?
[01:58] <atul> sources
[01:58] <kakalto> TonyGao: what exactly do you mean "from harddisk"... if you have the cd, you can boot into it, right?
[01:59] <PPower> cfraz89: are you cfraz99 or am i trying to find the wrong person?
[01:59] <cfraz89> i am always cfraz89
[01:59] <cfraz89> lol
[01:59] <cfraz89> :)
[01:59] <PPower> cfraz89: might of been nanos typo. he said that you were the expert at nvidia cards
[02:00] <cfraz89> ah lol
[02:00] <cfraz89> i dunno
[02:00] <cfraz89> i can try
[02:00] <PPower> cfraz89: have you managed to set up the nvidia drivers under dapper though?
[02:01] <robin_> how do I know if opengl support is enabled, and if it's not, how do I enable it ?
[02:01] <cfraz89> PPower: yep
[02:02] <cfraz89> robin_:xdpyinfo
[02:02] <TonyGao> yeah, I installed kubuntu dapper beta2 boot by grub, but it's CD (378351731) 19:56:19
[02:02] <TonyGao> windows
[02:02] <cfraz89> PPower: are you trying to get nvidia under dapper?
[02:02] <PPower> cfraz89: great. i cant. i run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable and it reports md5sum errors in  the config file. i fixed that but now x doesnt want to start
[02:02] <gmhafiz> Hello. I have just installed Kubuntu 6.06. I cannot paste files into a fat32 partition from my root partition. How do I get around this problem?
[02:02] <iNiku> atul: dunno, see the restricted formats guide
[02:02] <iNiku> !restrictedformats
[02:02] <ubotu> restrictedformats is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:02] <cfraz89> can i see your config file?
[02:02] <kakalto> TonyGao: if kubuntu dapper is already installed, boot into it, and simply update
[02:02] <cfraz89> PPower: maybe on a pastebin
[02:03] <PPower> what shall i pastebin?
[02:03] <robin_> cfraz89: and how is the extension called ?
[02:03] <kakalto> TonyGao: shouldn't take much, as I understand, it is simply a matter of opening the package manager, updating sources, and downloading all updates
[02:04] <cfraz89> direct rendering
[02:04] <kakalto> TonyGao: if you want to add the cd as a source, I think it's "apt-cdrom" from the command line
[02:04] <PPower> cfraz89: what do you want me to pastebin
[02:04] <robin_> cfraz89: how is the opengl extension been called ?
[02:05] <OmniD> configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[02:05] <OmniD> What can I do about this
[02:05] <paines> OmniD, apt-get install build-exxential
[02:05] <robin_> OmniD: install a C compiler.
[02:06] <paines> essential
[02:06] <OmniD> I hope I don't have to compile a compiler to install XChat!
[02:06] <OmniD> zing
[02:06] <cfraz89> PPower: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:06] <OmniD> oh paines
[02:06] <OmniD> I have to enable universal and multiverse
[02:06] <PPower> cfraz89: ok hang on
[02:06] <OmniD> I forgot how to do so though
[02:06] <klerfayt> has dvd live installer like cd?
[02:06] <imbrandon> OmniD, apt-get install xchat-gnome
[02:06] <OmniD> KDE
[02:06] <imbrandon> ok
[02:06] <imbrandon> OmniD, apt-get install xchat
[02:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:06] <cfraz89> robin_: it shows up as 'direct rendering:'
[02:06] <cfraz89> oh wait sorry
[02:07] <OmniD> imbrandon but I think I need to enable multiverse
[02:07] <cfraz89> robin_: what drivers do you use?
[02:07] <robin_> cfraz89: ehm, some onboard intel chipset i810.
[02:07] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:07] <imbrandon> OmniD, yes you do, and if you are on kde why dont you try kde apps instead of gnome ones like gaim and xchat , kopete and konversation work good ;)
[02:07] <PPower> cfraz89: http://pastebin.com/753291
[02:08] <cfraz89> thanks
[02:08] <OmniD> imbrandon I like XChat more
[02:08] <imbrandon> ok firest thing is to enable universe and multiverse correctly
[02:08] <gmhafiz> Hello, I searched for gstreamer using Adept but the option is grayed out. How can I install gstreamer so that I can listen to mp3?
[02:08] <imbrandon> then just apt get what you want
[02:08] <cfraz89> robin_:i think look for GLX in extensions
[02:08] <PPower> cfraz89: GeForce 6600LE on PCI-E 25gmb
[02:08] <OmniD> Yeah about that first step
[02:09] <OmniD> What would I need to do
[02:09] <imbrandon> ubotu tell gmhafiz about mp3
[02:09] <cfraz89> PPower: ok
[02:09] <cfraz89> what error message do you get?
[02:09] <imbrandon> ubotu tell OmniD about repos
[02:09] <PPower> cfraz89: none. kdm never starts and usplash appears. i can press ctrl+alt+f1 to go to a terminal
[02:09] <OmniD> Thanks
[02:09] <cfraz89> try running sudo startx in terminal
[02:10] <cfraz89> it should say the error
[02:10] <edulix> anyone have a deb for the new kopete 0.12.0 ?
[02:10] <PPower> cfraz89: cant i just find the logfile?
[02:10] <imbrandon> edulix, google ;)
[02:10] <cfraz89> robin_: try running glxinfo
[02:10] <edulix> (hi!)
[02:10] <cfraz89> PPower: ok, but it is very verbose
[02:10] <PPower> cfraz89: where is it
[02:10] <cfraz89>  it is /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:10] <edulix> imbrandon: well at least I haven't found it in http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php
[02:11] <PPower> cfraz89: ill do it in a min. just need to win a level of supertux
[02:11] <imbrandon> edulix, then its probbly not packaged yet
[02:11] <cfraz89> lol ok
[02:14] <klerfayt> does kubuntu block torrent ports?
[02:15] <imbrandon> no
[02:17] <atul> iniku: thanks! i coould install libxine-extracodecs and now my mp3s work!!!
[02:19] <cfraz89> klerfayt: no
[02:19] <klerfayt> cfraz89: I'm using port 6335 in ktorrent - is there some better ports?
[02:19] <cfraz89> yeah
[02:20] <cfraz89> is that the default one?
[02:20] <klerfayt> cfraz89: no
[02:20] <klerfayt> cfraz89: default is 6881
[02:20] <cfraz89> oh ok
[02:20] <mcscruff_> pinged out
[02:20] <cfraz89> that should be fine then
[02:20] <mcscruff_> is there a key combination to swap desktops?
[02:21] <Bilford_> Im using port 6881
[02:21] <Bilford_> is that bad?
[02:21] <cfraz89> it gets blocked by some isp's
[02:22] <cfraz89> or slowed down i think
[02:22] <Bilford_> ok ty
[02:22] <cfraz89> np
[02:23] <klerfayt> Bilford_: use ports 6334-6342 (from suse wiki)
[02:24] <tommy> Hi everyone, does anyone know why i get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy" when i try to activate my ra0 wireless card ?
[02:24] <Bilford_> ok ty.  should I set up forwarding on my router
[02:24] <cfraz89> Bilford_: yep
[02:24] <Bilford_> set to BOTH
[02:24] <cfraz89> yep
[02:24] <Bilford_> ty
[02:24] <cfraz89> np
[02:24] <cfraz89> and maybe 4444 for the tracker port
[02:24] <cfraz89> im not sure
[02:24] <PPower> cfraz89: got it. now pastebinning
[02:24] <klerfayt> Bilford_: wait; are you saying that router makes torrent slower?
[02:24] <cfraz89> ok
[02:25] <cfraz89> PPower: i think i see the problem
[02:25] <cfraz89> down the bottom
[02:25] <Bilford_> i dont know
[02:25] <cfraz89> all your input devices have "sendcoreevents" after them
[02:25] <Bilford_> it gives you a low id in eMule if you dont set it
[02:25] <cfraz89> they shouldnt
[02:25] <PPower> cfraz89: wait till you see the log!
[02:25] <cfraz89> lol ok
[02:25] <cfraz89> but delete them
[02:25] <OmniD> Package gaim is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:25] <OmniD> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[02:25] <OmniD> is only available from another source
[02:25] <cfraz89> PPower: InputDevice     "eraser" "SendCoreEvents"
[02:25] <PPower> cfraz89: http://pastebin.com/753313
[02:25] <cfraz89> get rid of those sendcoreevents
[02:25] <OmniD> ara sorry for the long paste
[02:25] <klerfayt> Bilford_: and correct term is "port forwarding"?
[02:26] <Bilford_> yes, or Port Range Forwarding
[02:26] <tommy> omg i HATE "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy" error
[02:26] <Bilford_> if you have Linksys wireless, it's in the Applications and Gaming tab;
[02:26] <tommy> can someone please help me?
[02:26] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:26] <cfraz89> interesting
[02:27] <PPower> cfraz89: it seems to think i have a radeon
[02:27] <cfraz89> lol where?
[02:27] <PPower> line 19
[02:27] <cfraz89> lol i see
[02:28] <cfraz89> that is wierd
[02:28] <cfraz89> you dont have a radeon do you?
[02:28] <tommy> yesterday I installed (k)ubuntu with some troubles, i needed to use acpi=off in the boot line to get started, but when i was in i sat the network option, and it worked with ifup ra0
[02:28] <PPower> cfraz89: no. see the lspci thing at the bottom
[02:28] <tommy> when i rebooted
[02:28] <tommy> It would not work
[02:28] <PPower> _nano_: hello! caught cfraz!
[02:28] <tommy> kinda strange
[02:28] <cfraz89> hi _nano_
[02:28] <_nano_> cfraz89: hey!
[02:28] <_nano_> PPower: and? :D
[02:29] <tommy> so i tought "What if I formatet, would it work then?" So i did it. But no, it would not work, so now i need help
[02:29] <cfraz89> its a wierd problem
[02:29] <_nano_> oops I said cfraz99 instead of cfraz89 :D
[02:29] <PPower> _nano_: yup
[02:29] <_nano_> a decade of difference..not much :D
[02:29] <PPower> cfraz89: so i should get rid of those eraser things
[02:30] <cfraz89> just the "sendcoreevents"
[02:30] <cfraz89> you could try regenerating your xorg.conf file
[02:30] <PPower> cfraz89: howdoyoudothat
[02:30] <tommy> hard life:/
[02:31] <tommy> btw im using the newest version (6.06)
[02:31] <cfraz89> PPower: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:31] <PPower> can i do that while x is running
[02:31] <cfraz89> yes
[02:31] <PPower> okay. afterwards i run nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:32] <PPower> cfraz89: ?
[02:32] <cfraz89> ok
[02:33] <PPower> okay.
[02:33] <cfraz89> good luck
[02:33] <tommy> anyone plz help me:(
[02:33] <_nano_> cfraz89: so what you been upto?
[02:34] <cfraz89> _nano_: not much. you?
[02:34] <PPower> cfraz89: i got to the memory stage. what do i enter
[02:34] <PPower> cfraz89: my card has 256 onboard. needs no system
[02:35] <_nano_> cfraz89: just upgraded to kde 3.5.3 a few hours ago
[02:35] <PPower> cfraz89: what shall i enter
[02:35] <_nano_> cfraz89: the prelink.bin went crazy (since all the libraries etc were updated).. :P
[02:36] <iNiku> how do you get kde 3.5.3, is it in some special repos?
[02:36] <cfraz89> PPower: umm just leave it blank
[02:36] <_nano_> iNiku: yeah you need to add some repos
[02:36] <cfraz89> _nano_: did you enable prelink?
[02:36] <tommy> iface ra0 inet dhcp
[02:36] <_nano_> cfraz89: yeah prelink is enabled
[02:36] <iNiku> _nano_: ah, okay, so it's not in backports or anything...
[02:36] <cfraz89> _nano_: how did you do that?
[02:36] <tommy> is this line wrong: "iface ra0 inet dhcp"
[02:36] <PPower> cfraz89: should i enable kernel framebuffer
[02:37] <_nano_> iNiku: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php
[02:37] <cfraz89> no
[02:37] <_nano_> cfraz89: hang on..lemme pull up a page for you
[02:37] <iNiku> _nano_: thanks
[02:37] <tommy> omg
[02:37] <cfraz89> _nano_: thanks
[02:37] <_nano_> cfraz89: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1971
[02:37] <tommy> that siocsifflags: blahblahblah error is killing me:(
[02:37] <tommy> feels like i just wanna die:P
[02:37] <cfraz89> thanks
[02:37] <iNiku> _nano_: any significant differences to 3.5.2?
[02:38] <cfraz89> iNiku: starts up faster
[02:38] <_nano_> iNiku: mostly bug fixes i gather
[02:38] <iNiku> cfraz89: ah, that would be nice
[02:38] <cfraz89> _nano_: are there any disadvantages?
[02:38] <cfraz89> iNiku: it is :)
[02:38] <_nano_> cfraz89: the first prelink takes up a lot of time..
[02:38] <cfraz89> oh ok
[02:38] <iNiku> any problems with it?
[02:38] <cfraz89> doesnt affect anything though?
[02:38] <_nano_> cfraz89: but the daily ones are faster (like 1-5 mins)
[02:39] <cfraz89> cool
[02:39] <PPower> cfraz89: it wants a keyboard layout. i have a microsoft natural keyboard 1995
[02:39] <_nano_> cfraz89: but if you have upgraded a lot many packages..the subsequent prelinking again takes time
[02:39] <_nano_> cfraz89: if you use a desktop..then you wont feel the pain...it runs once in the midnight
[02:39] <_nano_> cfraz89: but the performance improves
[02:40] <_nano_> PPower: i think US keyboard should work
[02:40] <PPower> cfraz89: can i cancel the reconfigure and just make the minor changes
[02:40] <Davidosky> Hi all, i'm looking for a video--player that can open 3gp files. Any idea?
[02:40] <_nano_> PPower: you have made a backup of your xorg.conf file right? then why fear?
[02:41] <_nano_> !3gp
[02:41] <PPower> _nano_: i worry too much
[02:41] <ubotu> _nano_: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:41] <_nano_> PPower: may be you would learn not to worry that much once you start breaking things a lot :D
[02:41] <PPower> _nano_: it wants  the thing like pc104
[02:41] <cfraz89> PPower: just try the default
[02:42] <cfraz89> PPower: if you want you can cancel reconfigure
[02:42] <cfraz89> but the defaults are usually fine
[02:42] <PPower> cfraz89: it wants a mouse thing ending PS/2 when mine is USB
[02:42] <cfraz89> what does it ask?
[02:42] <robin_> I have some problems with my samba browsing, I can acces a PC on the local network through smb:/pc1/ but I can't browse the smb:/workgroup
[02:42] <cfraz89> if its driver just say imps/2
[02:42] <PPower> cfraz89: Please choose the entry that best describes your mouse. ImPS/2 or ExplorerPS/2
[02:43] <cfraz89> use ImPS/2
[02:43] <robin_> also the zeroconf daemon (mdnsd) is not running message apears if I try to acces zeroconf:/
[02:43] <robin_> aka 'Network Services'
[02:43] <cfraz89> robin_: you need to install avahi-daemon
[02:43] <cfraz89> for zeroconf
[02:44] <PPower> cfraz89: write default files section?
[02:44] <robin_> cfraz89: ok thx, will try that. I'm wondering why such things are installed as default ;)
[02:44] <cfraz89> lol
[02:44] <cfraz89> PPower: what does it ask?
[02:45] <Davidosky> how can i open a 3gp file from ubuntu?
[02:45] <robin_> aren't**
[02:45] <_nano_> Davidosky: try real player?
[02:45] <cfraz89> robin_: yeah. I think it is a good thing
[02:45] <PPower> cfraz89: i give up. ill just do the manual ajustments to the xorg.conf file. it wants to know if you want to add the files section to the config file
[02:45] <robin_> cfraz89: hmm, still the same message
[02:45] <_nano_> PPower: why give up so soon? you haven't even tested
[02:45] <Davidosky> real player? is it in the repository?
[02:45] <_nano_> Davidosky: i think so
[02:46] <_nano_> !real
[02:46] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, _nano_
[02:46] <_nano_> !helix
[02:46] <ubotu> _nano_: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[02:46] <_nano_> darn
[02:46] <cfraz89> robin_: try sudo /etc/init.d/avai-daemon start
[02:46] <robin_> lol
[02:46] <PPower> _nano_: no idea what all of this stuff means.
[02:46] <cfraz89> PPower: sorry
[02:46] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:46] <cfraz89> i really dont know why it thinks of radeon
[02:46] <robin_> cfraz89: well that daemon is running, but zeroconf wants mdnsd
[02:46] <cfraz89> are you sure that is your xorg.conf file?
[02:47] <robin_> cfraz89: avai-deamon is running though
[02:47] <PPower> cfraz89: yeah. just copied it out. it is a fresh install
[02:47] <cfraz89> that should be enough
[02:47] <cfraz89> hmm
[02:47] <Davidosky> Real player is not on our repository :(
[02:47] <viksa> hello, i cant' play mp3's on my new kubuntu 6.06 please help
[02:47] <robin_> !mp3
[02:47] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:48] <robin_> viksa: check that link
[02:48] <PPower> Davidosky: listen!
[02:48] <viksa> robin_ tnx
[02:48] <PPower> !repo
[02:48] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, PPower
[02:48] <PPower> !repos
[02:48] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[02:48] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource.  Dapper sources list mirrored at http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com/753128
[02:48] <PPower> ARGH! I hate you ubotu
[02:48] <OmniD> !mp3
[02:48] <ubotu> methinks mp3 is a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[02:49] <OmniD> I want konquorer to stop loading pages
[02:49] <PPower> cfraz89: I need help!
[02:49] <cfraz89> hmm i'm looking
[02:49] <PPower> cfraz89: can i quit the debconf?
[02:50] <cfraz89> PPower: yes, control c
[02:50] <cfraz89> PPower: are you on #nvidia?
[02:50] <PPower> cfraz89: no. ill do that now!
[02:50] <BearKnuckle> Anyone familiar with xgl? The open windows are not displayed in the taskbar if I use XGL, any ideas?
[02:51] <ubuntu> hi
[02:51] <sF|Xemanth> is Dapper stable now ?
[02:51] <vinboy> yes
[02:51] <sF|Xemanth> uuh
[02:51] <OmniD> NO
[02:52] <robin_> cfraz89: any suggestions for my problem :)
[02:52] <cfraz89> robin_: you could try installing mdnsd
[02:52] <sF|Xemanth> how big possibily is that I broke my Breezy with full upgrade to Dapper ? :D
[02:52] <ubuntu> i'm trying dapper livecd but i'm uable to load nvidia drivers: when i do "sudo modprobe nvidia " it answer module nvidia not found
[02:52] <cfraz89> but avahi-daemon should really do it
[02:53] <ubuntu> i'm pretty sure i've got nvidia-kernel-common and xconfig
[02:54] <ubuntu> any help is appreciated
[02:54] <rosemary> what do you people recommend as WM for kubuntu on old hardware - P II 266Mhz, 256 RAM?
[02:54] <ubuntu> rosemary: windowmaker
[02:55] <rosemary> installed xfce but looks odd - maybe I need more packages?
[02:55] <cfraz89> robin_: do you have kdnssd installed?
[02:55] <rosemary> ubuntu, us it easy to use?
[02:55] <OmniD> umm yeah... this really sucks. Adept seems unable to install ANYTHING
[02:56] <OmniD> It doesn't seem to be able to download for one
[02:56] <robin_> cfraz89: yes, I now also installed mdns-scan, which seems to prevent the error.
[02:56] <cfraz89> cool
[02:56] <robin_> cfraz89: but
[02:56] <ubuntu> rosemary: not really but it's pretty and fast for your harware
[02:56] <rosemary> OmniD, are repositoreis set up?
[02:56] <robin_> cfraz89: it doesn't show any pc in my network.
[02:56] <ubuntu> "
[02:56] <ubuntu> sudo modprobe nvidia
[02:56] <ubuntu> FATAL: Module nvidia not found.
[02:56] <OmniD> rosemary: yes multiverse and universe
[02:56] <_nano_> ubuntu: i think proprietory nvidia drivers don't come in the CD...that would be violation of GPL i guess
[02:56] <cfraz89> robin_: it doesnt show up pc's, but services
[02:56] <rosemary> ubuntu guess I'll have to look at it then :-)
[02:57] <cfraz89> so if you start the kde file sharing applet, then it will show up
[02:57] <cfraz89> or if you share your desktop
[02:57] <ubuntu> theyare in restricted modules
[02:57] <cfraz89> or start a kde network game
[02:57] <cfraz89> robin_: try sharing a folder with the kde panel applet
[02:57] <OmniD> rosemary: I am able to see the packages I wish to install and request installing, however an error pops up directly after I apply that it fails
[02:57] <rosemary> OmniD, only aksed because I forgot to do mine :-) sorry I am new
[02:57] <cfraz89> it should show up under www servers in zeroconf
[02:58] <OmniD> Oh I see
[03:00] <texjoachim> I have a strange thing here: the keys on my numpad move the mousepointer
[03:00] <ppd> hello !
[03:00] <OmniD> That's called mousekeys
[03:00] <texjoachim> I'd rather have them generate numbers, so what do I do now?
[03:00] <OmniD> Find where mousekeys is and disable it like a flaw
[03:00] <cfraz89> its in systemsettings
[03:00] <rosemary> hi sdsd I am a kiwi too :-)
[03:01] <cfraz89> go to mouse
[03:01] <cfraz89> and then mouse navigation
[03:01] <ppd> do you happen to know how it's possible to put an action on the "windows" key?
[03:01] <robin_> cfraz89: ok, I have to enable sharing in control panel, but after it has asked the root password, all options are still greyed out.
[03:01] <cfraz89> robin_: wrong sharing
[03:01] <cfraz89> thats samba sharing
[03:01] <cfraz89> right click on kde panel applet
[03:02] <cfraz89> add applet
[03:02] <cfraz89> and search for file server
[03:02] <Davidosky> There is a way to "manage" a Nokia 6630 with USB cable from Ubuntu?
[03:02] <rosemary> ubuntu don't see windowmaker in adept
[03:03] <tRSS> hey everyone
[03:03] <tRSS> so I have changed my sources.list so that all breezy are dapper now, but when I do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dest-upgrade, i get this error: "Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde351/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not Found"
[03:03] <Bazzi> tRSS: that repos is bogus
[03:03] <Bazzi> remove it
[03:03] <texjoachim> cfraz89: thanks!
[03:03] <Bazzi> not bogus, but outdated
[03:03] <robin_> cfraz89: great, that works.
[03:03] <OmniD> Adept seems unable to install anything because it fails to download.
[03:03] <tRSS> alright, let me do that. thanks
[03:03] <viksa> !mp3
[03:03] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:03] <cfraz89> robin_: cool
[03:04] <cfraz89> texjoachim: np
[03:04] <giovanni> can someone help me in mounting in rw a vfat partition in dapper? it seams to don't like allow me rw to thath partition!
[03:04] <robin_> cfraz89: thx !, but the samba browsing stuff is not related to zeroconf ?
[03:04] <cfraz89> nope
[03:04] <cfraz89> samba is for lan filesharing
[03:04] <cfraz89> the kde thing works over net
[03:05] <cfraz89> but is only local network until you setup port forwarding
[03:05] <cfraz89> brb
[03:05] <robin_> cfraz89: yes, I understand.
[03:07] <giovanni> noone? ok..
[03:08] <robin_> giovanni: you have to pass it to the mount cmd
[03:08] <Davidosky> How can i "manage" a Nokia 6630 with USB cable from Ubuntu?
[03:08] <robin_> giovanni: take a look at "man mount"
[03:08] <giovanni> i know, i do "mount -t vfat -o rw,nosuid /dev/sda6 /media/folder
[03:09] <RogueJediX> Can anyone tell me an alternative to alsaconf? Seems like it's been axed from dapper
[03:09] <giovanni> i tried in many wayn with many options
[03:09] <giovanni> but it dislike to give me write access
[03:10] <viksa> libxine-extracodecs this package is not available in apt-get please help
[03:10] <giovanni> i'm new in ubuntu, i only want to know if there's some known problem whith this in ubuntu
[03:11] <tRSS> what is the kubuntu amarok repo? i had `deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.8/ breezy main`. what should this look like for amarok?
[03:11] <tRSS> what is the kubuntu amarok repo? i had `deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.8/ breezy main`. what should this look like for amarok in dapper??
[03:12] <robin_> !tell viksa about !universe
[03:12] <Bazzi> tRSS: just remove all kubuntu.org repositories for now
[03:12] <robin_> hmm
[03:12] <robin_> !universe
[03:12] <robin_> !multiverse
[03:12] <tRSS> Bazzi: well, my upgrade has already started. well the kubuntu.org upgrade will not harm my machine, will it?
[03:12] <robin_> viksa type !multiverse, and check the link
[03:12] <Davidosky> How can i "manage" a Nokia 6630 with USB cable from Ubuntu?
[03:13] <viksa> !multiverse
[03:13] <robin_> viksa: you have to add multiverse repository
[03:13] <Bazzi> tRSS: I don't think so but you'll get some error messages
[03:13] <iNiku> giovanni: by default it's mounted so that only root can write
[03:13] <viksa> !easysource
[03:13] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:13] <tRSS> Bazzi: well i did a sudo apt-get upadate && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and so far I haven't seen any errors. :)
[03:13] <robin_> viksa you can add /etc/apt/sources.list, and enable the universe repositores, and add put multiverse after it.
[03:13] <iNiku> giovanni: if you want to make it writable by your user, you need to add uid=<your numeric uid> in the mount command options
[03:14] <robin_> viksa: add=edit.
[03:14] <iNiku> giovanni: like, -o rw,nosuid,uid=1234
[03:14] <Bazzi> tRSS: well the most current versions will be chosen anyway so sont worry
[03:14] <iNiku> giovanni: use id to find out your uid
[03:14] <giovanni> iNiku: yes but if i add "uid=1000 gid=1000" nothing happens
[03:14] <tRSS> Bazzi: thanks man..... apprieciate your help
[03:14] <Bazzi> tRSS: valid newer ones can be seen at http://kubuntu.org/packages
[03:14] <giovanni> i'ts a logical partition, can this give me problems?
[03:14] <iNiku> giovanni: please show my the exact mount command you used
[03:14] <iNiku> giovanni: no
[03:15] <Bazzi> that is amarok-14 koffice-151 kde-353
[03:16] <tRSS> sounds good, thanks
[03:16] <giovanni> iNiku: mount -t vfat -o rw,nosuid,noauto,umask=777,uid=1000,gid=1000,remount /dev/sda6 /home/giovanni/documenti/
[03:16] <giovanni> oops
[03:16] <giovanni> withouth nosuid
[03:16] <giovanni> i pasted from an old command
[03:16] <adamt> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2064
[03:16] <adamt> happy printing =)
[03:17] <iNiku> giovanni: your uid is 1000?
[03:17] <giovanni> yep
[03:17] <iNiku> giovanni: ahh
[03:17] <iNiku> you need umask=000
[03:17] <giovanni> really!!
[03:17] <iNiku> or probably not
[03:17] <giovanni> ?
[03:17] <giovanni> i'll try
[03:18] <iNiku> umask=077 if you want only your user to have access
[03:18] <iNiku> umask=777 means no one will have any permissions at all
[03:18] <giovanni> it was in the old command
[03:18] <giovanni> sorry for paste irt
[03:18] <iNiku> huh?
[03:19] <iNiku> what was? sorry for what?
[03:19] <giovanni> this is the command i did now
[03:19] <giovanni> mount -t vfat -o rw,uid=000,gid=000,remount /dev/sda6 /home/giovanni/documenti
[03:20] <iNiku> um, no
[03:20] <iNiku> mount -t vfat -o rw,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=077,remount
[03:21] <iNiku> uid=1000,gid=1000 => owner and group will be you
[03:21] <iNiku> umask=077 => write permissions for owner, nothing for group or others
[03:21] <giovanni> does'nt work: access forbidden
[03:22] <iNiku> not sure if remount works right for a vfat filesystem
[03:22] <iNiku> umount and try again?
[03:22] <giovanni> ok
[03:22] <iNiku> and show the exact mount command you use
[03:23] <giovanni> THANKS MAN!!! it was the remount problem!
[03:23] <iNiku> np :)
[03:23] <giovanni> i was a suse user 'till yesterday
[03:23] <giovanni> and i wanted to try kubuntu..
[03:23] <iNiku> well, mount works the same on suse
[03:23] <iNiku> or any other linux for that matter
[03:24] <giovanni> yes i know is the same
[03:24] <giovanni> you doing a great job here
[03:24] <gilster> i need some help with my toshibam40x
[03:24] <giovanni> many thank again
[03:24] <giovanni> bye!
[03:24] <gilster> anyone can get this into standby/suspend mode
[03:25] <Davidosky> How can i "manage" a Nokia 6630 with USB cable from Ubuntu?
[03:25] <brandon__> what's the easiest way to setup an intrAnet server that let's users search through indexed MS Word files, like beagle or kat served up via intranet???
[03:26] <robin_> Davidosky: http://bitubique.com/content/view/26/42/
[03:26] <gilster> please....i want to be able to put my laptop into suspend mode...
[03:26] <robin_> gilster: do you think a lot of people here have the same laptop ?
[03:26] <robin_> gilster: what's the problem ?, does it gives errors ?
[03:27] <gilster> Robin: i have a toshiba M40, it goes into suspend mode, but does not go out....
[03:27] <robin_> gilster: is your swap partition big enough, the suspend image is stored in the swap partition.
[03:27] <gilster> its about a gig
[03:27] <robin_> gilster: and how much ram do you have ?
[03:27] <gilster> a gig
[03:28] <iNiku> um, not for suspend (=suspend to ram)
[03:28] <iNiku> that only applies to hibernation
[03:28] <gilster> exactly
[03:28] <robin_> oh yes, sorry
[03:28] <gilster> i do not want to hibernate
[03:28] <gilster> i want to suspend
[03:28] <gilster> to ramn
[03:28] <gilster> *ram
[03:28] <gilster> it goes into it....but i when i try to go out it simply gives me a blank screen
[03:29] <iNiku> gilster: does it have a key combo for switching between internal and external displays?
[03:29] <iNiku> gilster: my thinkpad often wakes up from suspend with the internal display disabled so I have to use the key combo to switch it back on
[03:29] <robin_> gilster: I think, at least in breezy there is somewhere a configuration file, where you can set a lot of things, maybe you can try somehting out there
[03:29] <iNiku> fn-f7 on mine
[03:30] <gilster> iNiku: fn-F5 for me does that...but that only gives me a blank whit screen
[03:30] <gilster> and the hard drive appears stuck
[03:30] <gilster> *whit
[03:30] <gilster> *white
[03:31] <gilster> i am not using breezy
[03:31] <gilster> using dapper
[03:31] <iNiku> gilster: you could check out /etc/default/acpi-support
[03:31] <iNiku> there's a bunch of settings there that affect ACPI functionality
[03:32] <gilster> ok thanks
[03:34] <linuxmonkey> ok this is my second time using the new method of installing and I keep messing up the nvidia drivers. any special steps i need to take
[03:35] <ubuntu> va sur #pastebin ya personne a part nous 2
[03:35] <xwolf-> i'm gettin some problems with dapper here
[03:35] <xwolf-> first of all, there is no sound
[03:36] <xwolf-> the icon says it couldnt find the mixer, how do i fix that?
[03:37] <linux_galore> xwolf-: first things first, whats your sound chipset
[03:37] <smoosh> hi, where i can fing gpg kubuntu public key?
[03:37] <linux_galore> xwolf-: theres no driver active so there is no mixer
[03:38] <xwolf-> it is onboard for asus p4v800x
[03:38] <xwolf-> lemme find her manual
[03:39] <gilster> iNiku: thanks there were some settings there for acpi sleep mode that were blocked
[03:39] <gilster> have changed them accordingly
[03:39] <iNiku> did it help?
[03:39] <gilster> will try
[03:39] <iNiku> good luck :)
[03:39] <gilster> do i need to restart inorder for these to take effect
[03:39] <gilster> restart session?
[03:39] <gilster> restart machine
[03:39] <iNiku> mmm
[03:40] <iNiku> I would restart acpid
[03:40] <OmniD> http://pastebin.com/753426
[03:40] <iNiku>  sudo /etc/init.d/acpid restart
[03:40] <OmniD> This is aparently why I can't download anything
[03:40] <OmniD> or install rather
[03:40] <iNiku> OmniD: you can probably install *something*
[03:41] <OmniD> well not from the packages list
[03:41] <iNiku> but you're missing some repos that contain the dependencies for libxine-extracodecs
[03:41] <OmniD> I tried xchat and that library and doesn't work
[03:41] <OmniD> I did the universe and multiverse
[03:41] <iNiku> try sudo apt-get -f install
[03:42] <OmniD> what's that do different?
[03:42] <iNiku> just run it
[03:43] <iNiku> it will try to fix any broken dependencies you might have
[03:43] <OmniD> Did the same thing
[03:43] <smoosh> !gpg
[03:43] <ubotu> from memory, gpg is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto or http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[03:43] <xwolf-> linux_galore i couldnt find the driver. :>
[03:43] <smoosh> !public key
[03:43] <ubotu> smoosh: Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:43] <iNiku> OmniD: just do apt-get -f install
[03:43] <iNiku> nothing else
[03:43] <OmniD> oh allright
[03:44] <OmniD> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:45] <OmniD> Oh, also I'm on wifi. I'm connected as you can see, but could that pose as a problem?
[03:46] <linux_galore> xwolf-: you can sometimes use an alternate driver, but I need to know what the sound "chipset it"  type lspci -v|grep -iA 5 audio
[03:46] <linux_galore> is*
[03:46] <iNiku> OmniD: not really
[03:46] <iNiku> I think there's just something wrong with your repos
[03:47] <xwolf-> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[03:47] <xwolf->         Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. A7V600/K8V Deluxe motherboard (ADI AD1980 codec [SoundMAX] )
[03:47] <linux_galore> xwolf-: the motheboard manual should tell you what the sound/audio chipset is
[03:47] <xwolf->     Flags: medium devsel, IRQ 5
[03:47] <linux_galore> xwolf-: dont spam the room
[03:47] <iNiku> OmniD: apt can't find libmad0 which is required by libxine-extracodecs
[03:47] <OmniD> Hmm, how so? I did what the multiverse and universe tutorial told me to.
[03:47] <xwolf-> oh, two lines. sorry then
[03:47] <iNiku> !restrictedformats
[03:47] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[03:48] <iNiku> OmniD: take a look at that
[03:48] <xwolf-> so, is that sufficient?
[03:48] <OmniD> Yeah I did
[03:48] <OmniD> It told me in Dapper I only needed that file
[03:48] <iNiku> well, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:48] <iNiku> oh, did you do an apt-get update after editing sources.list?
[03:48] <OmniD> Allrighty
[03:48] <OmniD> Yes
[03:49] <linux_galore> xwolf-: you have to use the driver via82cxxx_audio
[03:50] <xwolf-> linux_galore where?
[03:52] <OmniD> iNiku: http://pastebin.com/753452
[03:53] <iNiku> OmniD: hmm, looks okay to me. dunno, then.
[03:53] <Ryoga85> hi
[03:53] <OmniD> This is pretty frustrating.
[03:54] <OmniD> What port does it use?
[03:56] <xwolf-> linux_galore i'm sorry but i don't know what to do
[03:59] <linuxmonkey> !nvidia
[03:59] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[03:59] <Ryoga85> I have no sound with the current ubuntu kernel :(
[04:00] <v3ctor> i had that problem with sound also
[04:00] <gilster> iNiku: do u have any idea how to change grub and bootsplash screens
[04:01] <iNiku> gilster: not really, I haven't played around with those
[04:01] <gilster> ok how about my display settings....it wont let me select the Intel 915 card
[04:01] <v3ctor> Ryoga85: http://v3ctor.org/downloads/alsaconf.sh
[04:02] <cfraz89> xwolf-: you are having problems with ac97 sound card?
[04:02] <iNiku> hmm... select where? it should recognize the card automatically, Ithink
[04:03] <gilster> when i got to kcontrol and go to display....under hardware it says Grapics card and driver: i810
[04:03] <xwolf-> cfraz89 it's just that, after the restart necessary for installation, i had to reconfigure xorg (dapper wouldnt start) and now the sound isn't working
[04:03] <iNiku> gilster: oh... sorry, no idea
[04:03] <cfraz89> hmm
[04:03] <iNiku> gotta go
[04:03] <cfraz89> and your volume mixer is up?
[04:03] <gilster> ok
[04:04] <Ryoga85> v3ctor: are you sure it will work?
[04:04] <Ryoga85> v3ctor: because I have sound as long as I don't use the newest kernel
[04:06] <xwolf-> cfraz89 it says mixer wasnt found (translating from portuguese)
[04:07] <v3ctor> Ryoga85: i used it
[04:07] <cfraz89> hmm
[04:07] <cfraz89> are you in audio group?
[04:08] <xwolf-> i don't think so.
[04:12] <carsten> hey, does anybody know of a wine 0.9.1x for dapper?
[04:12] <carsten> in dapper is "only" 0.9.9
[04:13] <Bilford> the later ones arent packaged yet
[04:13] <Bazzi> wine has some inofficial repsotiores with 0.9.14 in them
[04:13] <Bazzi> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[04:15] <carsten> Bazzi: thanks upgradeing now
[04:16] <Bazzi> they work way better than 0.9.9 for me
[04:16] <carsten> yeah, I have only probs in 099 :(
[04:16] <Bazzi> me too
[04:18] <sinbad444> yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  i  luv  Dapper !!!
[04:18] <vinboy> so do i
[04:18] <noteventime> 'ello
[04:19] <noteventime> Why does gam_server constantly use 7-9% of my processor?
[04:21] <carsten> Bazzi: cool, works. only that the print-functions still makes it crash :)
[04:21] <Bazzi> :)
[04:21] <OmniD> I don't love dapper :c
[04:22] <OmniD> Not until I can download from repositories
[04:23] <Evixo> hey everyone, has someone managed to get xgl working on kubuntu 6.06 ?
[04:24] <Evixo> I tried and failed until now :)
[04:24] <carsten> Evixo: hint: don't touch xgl without xorg 7.1
[04:24] <carsten> and even better: don't touch it in the next 6 month or so ;-)
[04:25] <richips> Me don't, Evixo; I'm not even able to turn on direct ATI rendering
[04:25] <Evixo> hmm ok so it's still not too usable atm
[04:26] <Bazzi> carsten: hm it has become better since I first tested it though
[04:26] <Bazzi> even with xorg 7.0 it was somewhat usable
[04:27] <Bazzi> Evixo: forget it with Ati for now, too buggy
[04:27] <Bazzi> I don't think dapper has the latest ati driver release which fixed some of those most nasty bugs
[04:27] <kkathman> ok.. has anyone experienced a problem with their keyboard just suddenly quit working?
[04:27] <Evixo> ah ok .. then I'll suppose I'll wait a little longer ^_^
[04:28] <Bazzi> Edgy isn't far away :)
[04:28] <kkathman> my keyboard suddenly stopped working and mysteriously its only on my dapper installation. The same keyboard works fine on the same computer on another boot partition
[04:32] <ganymed123> hallo
[04:32] <ganymed123> is there reiser4 support in dapper drake?
[04:35] <CaBlGuY> greetings peeps..
[04:35] <Somefilename> CaBlGuY, Hey!
[04:36] <CaBlGuY> whats up Somefilename o/
[04:37] <Somefilename> CaBlGuY, Nothing much. Just checking out these old channels.
[04:37] <ganymed123> is there reiser4 support in dapper drake? and is it sensible to use it, e.g. does the standard kernel support it as well as grub?
[04:37] <Somefilename> Roaming around.
[04:38] <CaBlGuY> not sure what reiser is ganymed123.. sorry...
[04:38] <CaBlGuY> Somefilename old chann huh??? Im DLing dapper right now..
[04:39] <Somefilename> CaBlGuY, Oh, cool. I ordered it yesterday. The new LTS version.
[04:39] <CaBlGuY> u ordered it... :O
[04:39] <CaBlGuY> why not just DL it??
[04:40] <Somefilename> CaBlGuY, Takes too much.
[04:40] <CaBlGuY> ahhh
[04:40] <_nano_> !win32
[04:40] <ubotu> _nano_: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:40] <_nano_> !win
[04:40] <ubotu> _nano_: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:40] <_nano_> !windows
[04:40] <ubotu> For help with microsoft windows, please visit ##windows - see also https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1
[04:40] <CaBlGuY> _nano_ whatcha lookin for??
[04:41] <_nano_> win32 codecs :|
[04:41] <CaBlGuY> Ahh here...
[04:41] <thompa> 3 bad iso burns so far
[04:41] <CaBlGuY> ummmm hang on I gotta remember..
[04:41] <thompa> the checksum is good and i used kde3 at 16x
[04:41] <thompa> k3b that is
[04:42] <ganymed123> so why does nobody seem to like reiser4?
[04:42] <w1ck3dw1z4rd> like? I heard great things about it
[04:42] <w1ck3dw1z4rd> why it's not used is a different question
[04:42] <thompa> i never got reiser4 to work, does it now?
[04:42] <CaBlGuY> !unsuported repos
[04:42] <ubotu> CaBlGuY: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[04:43] <CaBlGuY> HmMmMmMmM
[04:43] <_nano_> :P
[04:43] <thompa> it just would not format as reiser4, always gave me error before
[04:43] <ganymed123> so why isn't it? is there any REASONABLE reason :) not to use it with ubuntu?
[04:43] <_nano_> CaBlGuY: thanks..i'll google and see..i thought the bot knew it :P
[04:43] <CaBlGuY> _nano_ that's where u would find the codecs, on the unsuporrted repos..
[04:43] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:43] <ganymed123> well, it is stable now
[04:43] <ganymed123> that's what is written. and they are not really modest...
[04:44] <_nano_> CaBlGuY: it's weird, kaffeine can play wmv9 video, but mplayer plugin only gives sound, no video :S
[04:44] <CaBlGuY> HmMmMmMmM wierd..
[04:44] <CaBlGuY> U got dapper installed?/
[04:45] <_nano_> CaBlGuY: yup
[04:45] <CaBlGuY> HmMmMmMmM should be in there somewhere...
[04:45] <_nano_> CaBlGuY: i can see embedded wmv9 videos using kaffeine (thru mozplugger) but only audio thru mplayer...trying to figure out why...
[04:46] <_nano_> CaBlGuY: i've got w32codecs installed as well :S
[04:46] <_nano_> !w32codecs
[04:46] <ubotu> a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular non-free formats. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats for 64-bit systems see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54399
[04:46] <_nano_> there!
[04:46] <Anders_> what should i do to install dapper with a Ati X800? i'm using the desktop cd but never get to the desktop, it justs stop with an image that looks like then one at boottime
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> HmMmMmMmM wierd...
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> yea that's it..
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> good going _nano_ :D
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> !restricted formats
[04:47] <ubotu> well, restricted formats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or '!codecs'
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> there
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> :D
[04:51] <dereks_> anyone in here have vmware-player workin
[04:53] <Anders_> anyone here with an Ati card that managed to install dapper?
[04:53] <mezz> anders_: I have installed dapper with no probs and I have an ATI card
[04:54] <Anders_> I cant get to the desktop
[04:54] <Anders_> i can boot of the cd just fine and the tests says its good
[04:54] <dereks> hmm, no one here uses vmware-player?
[04:54] <mezz> can you get a desktop when you boot off the cd?
[04:54] <Anders_> nope
[04:55] <mezz> dereks: sorry no
[04:55] <dereks> that stinks
[04:55] <imbrandon> Anders_, maybe try the alternate install cd
[04:55] <Anders_> i just stops with an image like the one at boot time, and all i can do is alt+f1 to the console
[04:55] <mezz> what ATI card do you have, also how much memory do you have?
[04:55] <Anders_> X800 XL, 1gb
[04:55] <tuxedup> can anyone suggest a good kde/qt msn messenger client besides kopete.  Kopete does not seem to work well with my machine
[04:55] <mezz> hmmm, it should work fine then
[04:55] <Anders_> yeah
[04:56] <imbrandon> tuxedup, kmess
[04:56] <mezz> texedup: I'm a big fan of gaim
[04:56] <mezz> lol, sorry not kde
[04:56] <Anders_> also tried changing xorg.conf to use vesa, but startx just gives a black screen
[04:56] <imbrandon> mezz, gaim isnt qt ;)
[04:56] <mezz> yeah, just realised that :S
[04:56] <imbrandon> tuxedup, kmess or amsn are both good i use kmess
[04:57] <tuxedup> yeh gaim is good, but i am trying to keep to just qt/kde pplications so i dont have to load gnome libraries as often
[04:57] <MetaMorfoziS> any of thath im clients can delete contacts really?
[04:57] <dereks> tuxedup: gaim doesn't use gnome libraries
[04:57] <MetaMorfoziS> because that i seen before, all can't! [Trillian, gaim, kopete] 
[04:57] <dereks> and once they are loaded once, thats all they need to be
[04:57] <MetaMorfoziS> can't delete contacts
[04:57] <MetaMorfoziS> from msn
[04:57] <tuxedup> il check out kmess, amsn hurts my eyes, you because of how the fonts look all cra*py if you dont compile the new tk stuff for anti aliasing
[04:57] <dereks> anyways, i am a fan of bitlbee
[04:57] <mezz> anders_: it may be worth doing what imbradon said and using the alternative install CD. That will install without having to go to the live desktop. Then if it still doesn't work you woudl at least have the ability to install other drivers from the command line
[04:57] <MetaMorfoziS> kmess or amsn can?
[04:58] <tuxedup> cheers anyway
[04:58] <MgrVln> can anyone help get rid of choppy sound in mplayer?
[04:59] <MetaMorfoziS> MgrVln: it's not in all app?
[04:59] <imbrandon> MetaMorfoziS, i've never had a problem removeing msn contacts
[04:59] <MetaMorfoziS> imbrandon: try, delete a contact, and when you connect from other machine, you see it again, because it's only deleete it "locally"
[04:59] <MgrVln> Meta: nope and just for wmv
[04:59] <jorgp> where can I find official cd artwork for cover and label for dapper?
[05:00] <imbrandon> jorgp, art.ubuntu.com has some and there is a wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> MgrVln: i had choppy in all app, imho some compatibiliti problem with my sound card... so it is an other thing.
[05:00] <jorgp> imbrandon, thanks
[05:00] <Vose> Is it easear to install a .rpm or a tar.gz?
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> rpm is convertable to .deb
[05:00] <mezz> rpm easier most of the time
[05:00] <MetaMorfoziS> .deb install is: dpkg -i your.deb with sudo
[05:00] <imbrandon> Vose, ubuntu doesnt use rpm's it uses debs
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> i think the tar.bz taht you said is the source, so you need to build it
[05:01] <Vose> oh ok
[05:01] <dr_willis> best, find a deb. :P then perhaps use the tar.gz source.  converting rpm to deb. can have issues.
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> iirc the rpm2deb converter name is alien, but you must google it
[05:01] <imbrandon> Vose, what are you installing ?
[05:01] <Vose> so what is the comand to chang a tar.gz to a .deb?
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, it's true ^^
[05:01] <MetaMorfoziS> ^^^ lol.
[05:02] <MetaMorfoziS> rename it.)
[05:02] <tuxedup> alien package.tar.tgz -d
[05:02] <imbrandon> MetaMorfoziS, you dont have to google it its in the repos
[05:02] <mezz> vose: go here to find out how to install rpms: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rpm?highlight=%28rpm%29
[05:02] <MetaMorfoziS> ^ ok:)
[05:02] <imbrandon> Vose, what are you installing ?
[05:02] <dr_willis> what is it that you cant find in .deb format anyway?
[05:02] <dr_willis> :P
[05:02] <MetaMorfoziS> a lot of apps...
[05:03] <dr_willis> gee... how vague
[05:03] <dr_willis> :P
[05:03] <imbrandon> MetaMorfoziS, not realy, ihavent found any that dont have debs ')_
[05:03] <dr_willis> i think its time to learn how to use the source then.
[05:03] <Vose> kgs cgoban
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> imbrandon find it:D
[05:03] <imbrandon> 18000+ in the repos
[05:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> yes
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> but some little app isn't
[05:03] <mezz> vose: cgoban rpm works fine :)
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> i find a lot of in the subject under irda
[05:03] <MetaMorfoziS> some little shit app only in .rpm or only in source
[05:04] <imbrandon> !language
[05:04] <ubotu> Please watch your language. We try to be nice and help but some of us don't like to see such things on our screen.
[05:04] <mezz> vose: just need to install java then you can play all the go you want :)
[05:04] <MetaMorfoziS> not find, found:)
[05:04] <MetaMorfoziS> oh pardon...
[05:04] <damjan> what is the difference between cd and dvd version?
[05:04] <Vose> ok thank you
[05:04] <dr_willis> dvd is the live cd + installer cd - i THINK.. last i looked at least.
[05:04] <imbrandon> damjan, the dvd contains all of "supported" repos , cd only contains whats needed to install
[05:05] <dr_willis> dvd has  more default packages installed eh?
[05:05] <imbrandon> dr_willis, it has all of "main"
[05:05] <imbrandon> not installed , just avaible
[05:05] <dr_willis> imbrandon:  :)
[05:05] <imbrandon> without downloading
[05:06] <dr_willis> wich is all outdated about a month after ya download the dvd
[05:06] <imbrandon> dr_willis, or sooner ;)
[05:06] <Vose> ok so tar.gz is best
[05:07] <tuxedup> does adept run in the background as a notifyer of new package updates or is it like synaptic and runs on demand?
[05:07] <imbrandon> yes
[05:07] <jjesse> adept should run on demand adept-notifier runs in the background
[05:07] <damjan> so what do I get on the cd (kde, koffice...) maybe some multimedia progs?
[05:08] <mezz> vose: some times it matters, but most of the time .rpm is just as easy. I always use .rpm instead if I get the chance, thats what I did for cgoban
[05:08] <jjesse> hmm just installed the live cd and i can't login, it won't accept the pasword i thought i set?
[05:08] <imbrandon> damjan, a full desktop, the only diffrence is with the dvd the "main" repos is on the dvd and you dont have to download it if you choose to install something else
[05:08] <jjesse> how do i solve that
[05:08] <damjan> thx
[05:09] <imbrandon> jjesse, check capslock etc but there is not a way to retrieve the passwd
[05:09] <jjesse> hmmm reinstall?
[05:09] <Vose> I also play on DGS and want the .sgf to be recognized so I can use the open with options of firefox
[05:09] <imbrandon> damjan, and by default its openoffice not koffice ( but you can install koffice with apt-get later easy )
[05:11] <dereks> what is the reasoning for oo.org instead of koffice being default?
[05:11] <mezz> vose: It won't automatically set up the .sgf recognising, but you can set up that if you want
[05:12] <Vose> is it hard to set up?
[05:13] <Vose> I got webstart to work and load cgoban can I use it?
[05:14] <Vose> java webstart
[05:14] <tuxedup> whats koffice 1.5 like, iv only used koffice 1.4.2 and that was pretty poor, whats tis importing of powerpouint presentation like becuase thats the only thing I care about (all my universaty lectures are onyl available in ppt files)
[05:14] <Bazzi> tuxedup: forget it
[05:14] <dereks> tuxedup: if thats the case, i would stick with oo.o
[05:14] <ganymed123> i cannot use the manual partitioning with the desktop version. the window is empty. clicking on continue results in a crash.... is this a known problem?
[05:15] <mezz> vose: sorry, not sure what the question is. setting up .sgf isn't hard I think
[05:16] <Vose> ok is there a command to set up file relationships to programs?
[05:17] <mezz> vose: if you just want firefox to do it then that is easy, not sure how to do it for ubuntu in general (but know how to do it in kubuntu)
[05:17] <mezz> vose: for firefox, when cgoban is installed just choose open with, and then find cgoban in /usr/bin and then choose always do this
[05:18] <Vose> I am using kubuntu but I will try the firefox way thank you
[05:19] <Vose> help signin
[05:19] <Blippe> what is the kubuntu "version" of ekiga?
[05:19] <Vose> oh do you sign in to this chat so it shows me as registered?
[05:20] <Vose> .signin
[05:20] <Blippe> look it the server tab... "type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY <password>"
[05:21] <imbrandon_zZz> !info ekiga dapper
[05:21] <ubotu> ekiga: (Free Your Speech), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.1-0ubuntu6 (dapper), Packaged size: 3572 kB, Installed size: 12188 kB
[05:21] <John-Z> Hi guys.
[05:21] <james_xxx>  has anyone here ever used enlightenment with ubuntu??
[05:21] <imbrandon_zZz> or do you mean replacement Blippe , in that case kopete
[05:22] <imbrandon_zZz> or Skype
[05:23] <imbrandon_zZz> james_xxx, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[05:23] <Blippe> none of them uses h.323 compatible voip, as far as i can see
[05:23] <james_xxx> imbrandon_zZz: ty
[05:23] <Blippe> Woohoo, been waitng for ebuntu :D
[05:26] <DaSkreech> !musicbrainz
[05:26] <ubotu> What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, DaSkreech
[05:26] <tommy> hi everyone, ive just installed java, as they said on the java site, ive allso made a symlinc to the "libjavaplugin_oji.so" file.
[05:26] <tommy> i use the dapper drake 6-06 kubuntu
[05:26] <Blippe> DaSkreech, you looking for picard?
[05:35] <DaSkreech> !fishing
[05:35] <ubotu> methinks fishing is randomly throwing !commands in the channel instead of using /msg ubotu command. Please dont fish for help. either !ask in the channel or msg ubotu < Knows Everything!> :)
[05:36] <Chryseus> ubotu: what is the meaning of life?
[05:36] <ubotu> Chryseus: I think you lost me on that one
[05:36] <Chryseus> knows everything ;)
[05:37] <tommy> can anyone please giveme the url that i need to get blackdown java from apt
[05:37] <Hobbsee> !java
[05:37] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[05:37] <tommy> Hobbsee: i tried that one:P
[05:38] <tommy> but i cant get the blackdown java isntalled
[05:38] <robin_> !multiverse
[05:38] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[05:38] <gregg> Hello
[05:38] <tommy> using sudo apt-get install j2relol
[05:38] <gregg> I'm new to Linux and Kubuntu
[05:38] <robin_> for some reaon ubotou always PM me
[05:38] <tommy> gregg: how interesting
[05:38] <robin_> uboto*
[05:39] <gregg> I just installed Kubuntu 6.06 and everyting seems to work except AmaroK
[05:39] <Blippe> !musicbrainz
[05:39] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Blippe
[05:39] <FoodcoMan> Morning
[05:39] <tommy> can some just paste me the line i need for javablackdown to be in apt?
[05:39] <tommy> I would love to get that live
[05:39] <tommy> I don't like adept
[05:39] <tommy> i like to use the command line:)
[05:40] <tommy> Don't anyone have it?
[05:41] <tommy> plz someone
[05:41] <steph_> que se passe t'il?
[05:41] <Blippe> tommy, try apt-cache search java
[05:41] <robin_> steph_: speak english
[05:41] <tommy> Blippe: okey
[05:41] <steph_> sorry
[05:41] <steph_> what's happening tommy?
[05:42] <gregg> Someone on the forum suggested I come here for help, but I think I'll stick to the forum, seems friendlier and more tolerant of beginners. Thanks anyway.
[05:43] <steph_> if i can help
[05:43] <tommy> steph_: couldn't find it
[05:43] <steph_> tommy : find what?
[05:43] <tommy> blackdown java
[05:43] <Blippe> tommy, and instead of using apt-get, apt-cache, apt-cdrom, try aptitude. it even allow you to do stuff as "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop" try it out, and then "sudo aptitude purge xubuntu-desktop" and xubuntu and everything associated with it is gone.
[05:43] <robin_> gregg: what's the problem ?
[05:44] <robin_> gregg: you say amarok doesn't work, but we can't do much with only that information
[05:45] <steph_> tommy : have you tried j2sdk1.4 ?
[05:45] <gregg> I just installed Kubuntu 6.06 and everything seems to work except Amarok, the icon spins on the taskbar for about 30 secs but then just disappears
[05:45] <gregg> sound works and Kaffiene works
[05:45] <robin_> gregg: ok can you try to run it from konsole ?
[05:45] <steph_> tommy: i did an apt-cache search blackdown and it gives me : j2sdk1.4 - Blackdown Java(TM) 2 SDK, Standard Editi
[05:45] <gregg> yup
[05:45] <robin_> gregg: maybe you will see an error message there.
[05:45] <DaSkreech> Blippe: Picard?
[05:46] <tommy> steph_: i didnt find it
[05:46] <gregg> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:46] <gregg>   Major opcode:  146
[05:46] <tommy> tommy@tommy-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install j2sdk1.4
[05:46] <tommy> Leser pakkelister ... Ferdig
[05:46] <tommy> Skaper oversikt over avhengighetsforhold ... Ferdig
[05:46] <tommy> E: Klarte ikke  finne pakken j2sdk1.4
[05:46] <gregg>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:46] <gregg>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:46] <steph_> tommy: did you enable multiverse in you sources.list?
[05:46] <tommy> thats norwegian
[05:46] <gregg> Failed to open device
[05:46] <gregg> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[05:46] <gregg>   Major opcode:  146
[05:46] <gregg>   Minor opcode:  3
[05:47] <gregg>   Resource id:  0x0
[05:47] <gregg> Failed to open device
[05:47] <gregg> amaroK: [Loader]  Starting amarokapp..
[05:47] <gregg> amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[05:47] <gregg> /usr/lib/amarok/amarokapp: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libpq.so.4: invalid ELF header
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Shouldn't !java be changed now?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: no idea, this late in the day...
[05:47] <robin_> gregg please don't paste in the irc channel
[05:47] <robin_> gregg: you can paste at kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:47] <gregg> sorry
[05:47] <tommy> steph_: i dont know what to write
[05:47] <tommy> what should the line be?
[05:48] <Blippe> you ask for musicbrainz, and i can't honestly beleive anyone uses the musicbrainz capabilities which are present in _buntu, but musicbrainz have released a new tagger for whole albums (and single songs) called "picard" and ave released debs for ubuntu..
[05:48] <Blippe> DaSkreech, for you, up
[05:48] <CaBlGuY> Be Back Later
[05:48] <robin_> gregg: which amarok version are you using the standard one that comes with dapper /
[05:48] <robin_> ?
[05:49] <gregg> whatever the one that came with 6.06 is
[05:49] <steph_> tommy : in you /etc/apt/sources.list find the line with universe add multiverse (should be like dapper universe multiverse)
[05:49] <steph_> then apt-get update
[05:49] <tommy> deb http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[05:49] <tommy> deb-src http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper universe
[05:50] <tommy> ive done it
[05:50] <tommy> still wouldnt find it
[05:50] <steph_> just after universe add multiverse (with a space before)
[05:50] <ganymed123> ciao
[05:50] <Shaezsche> anyone familiar with getting winmodems working in kubuntu? i need the driver for 14f12bfa:0:90000
[05:50] <Shaezsche> cannot find it an linuxant either
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Blippe: repos!! :)
[05:50] <cryptom> Hi all, I cant find the right app to configure hotkeys for desktop changing in kde (someone here already pointed it out for me one year ago or so...)
[05:51] <DaSkreech> Blippe: Does it have mp3? :(
[05:51] <Blippe> DaSkreech, you're right... they have a new repo for *ubuntu
[05:51] <robin_> gregg: it looks like libpq is corrupted
[05:52] <Blippe> DaSkreech, yes, it tags mp3s
[05:52] <tommy> steph: thanks, now it worked
[05:52] <robin_> gregg: but I'm trying to find out where that file came from.
[05:52] <DaSkreech> Blippe: Where do I go to read up on it?
[05:52] <Blippe> DaSkreech, it is a wee but buggy though
[05:52] <Shaezsche> no one knows how to get winmodems working?
[05:53] <_al_> hi
[05:53] <FoodcoMan> Riddell: Excellent work.  I'm lovin it.
[05:53] <_al_> i've problem with just installed kubuntu dapper
[05:53] <robin_> gregg: can you reinstall libpq4 ?
[05:53] <cryptom> I know it is possible to configure kde to change virtual desktop with e.g. Alt-1, Alt-2, and so on (as in windowmaker), but I cant find it in the settings dialogs
[05:53] <kkathman> howdy FoodcoMan :)
[05:53] <robin_> gregg: sudo apt-get install libpq4
[05:53] <robin_> gregg: sudo apt-get install libpq4 --reinstall
[05:53] <IO-Jupiter> hi! Is there a way to leave some partitions unmounted during install? I have 2 big partitions with lvm vols I want to leave unmounted. Blanking the mountpoint causes the installer to NOT proceed!!!
[05:53] <FoodcoMan> hey kkathman  =)
[05:53] <_al_> there is something weird associated to wlan-settings
[05:53] <myndmelder> grmbl grmbl grmbl... Kaffeine won't play the video files... I installed the codecs... Help? Please...
[05:53] <Blippe> DaSkreech, http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardLinuxInstall#head-5f60c040c32c67c304b335181b88678ad34149c2
[05:54] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  I had to quit using kubuntu :( - the keyboard just died
[05:54] <MidMark> guys with dvd version, choosen italian and after reboot dapper is in english...
[05:54] <MidMark> I had no internet connection during install, but is it normal?
[05:54] <_al_> when i plug in my pcmcia wlan-card, there appear two wlan interfaces
[05:54] <robin_> gregg: and if you still encounter the problem, you also try on #amarok channel
[05:54] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  Was like unexpected, tried to reboot from hard boot, and for some reason wont activate that keyboard anymore...it was working fine and then POOF
[05:54] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: Sounds like an excuse for a new machine.
[05:54] <_al_> which i see using iwconfig command
[05:55] <tommy> anyone knows why i get error 10 when installing
[05:55] <tommy>  /var/cache/apt/archives/j2re1.4_1.4.2.02-1ubuntu3_i386.deb
[05:55] <tommy> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:55] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  nono the keyboard is fine...works with the same box under SUSE just fine
[05:55] <tommy> i get this lol when installing blackdown java
[05:55] <kkathman> and it works on my Windows box also
[05:55] <kkathman> So its something in Dapper that went haywire
[05:55] <kkathman> there was a bug before that the keyboard stopped working, but if you restarted KDE it was ok
[05:55] <DrNickRiviera> is the alternate install cd like the normal one but with more features in the installer and without the live cd capability?
[05:55] <kkathman> but I did a HARD boot and it didnt fix it
[05:56] <robin_> tommy: try to run dpkg-configure -a
[05:56] <kkathman> Im very discouraged
[05:56] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: You really love that keyboard.
[05:56] <tommy> robin_ should i remove the installed package first?
[05:56] <_al_> DrNickRiviera: it isn't graphical installer
[05:56] <kkathman> the keyboard is fine FoodcoMan :)
[05:56] <robin_> DrNickRiviera: it should contain the usual text installer.
[05:56] <_al_> but much better
[05:56] <MidMark> guys none that has installed kubuntu NOT in english?
[05:56] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  Im using it right now under SUSE on the same machine :)
[05:57] <robin_> tommy: no, don't think so, but you could also try : sudo apt-get install -f (i thought)
[05:57] <MidMark> after installation which language was used?
[05:57] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: Was your dapper install and upgrade from Breezy?
[05:57] <robin_> MidMark: nope, even it is available in Dutch, I always use the English one :)
[05:57] <tommy> dpkg-configure -a: command not found
[05:58] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  nope...I installed Flight 6 way back when, and have been upgrading all along.  I got two updates yesterday, but the keyboard worked fine all the way up until last night late...then just mysteriously stopped
[05:58] <robin_> tommy: dpkg --configure -a
[05:58] <DrNickRiviera> does the normal cd just not have the functionality to create logical volumes, or can't it use them at all?
[05:59] <DrNickRiviera> that's why i'm unsure about which one to get, want to be able to set up logical volumes
[05:59] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  I asked around the developers and no joy...thought maybe Riddell would peek in and offer any ideas... I cant write a bug simply saying.. "Keyboard quits working unexpectedly"
[05:59] <v3ctor> you need to boot to installer and not livecd for LVM
[05:59] <MidMark> robin_ thanx robin_ but I think it is a major bug
[06:00] <MidMark> selected italian and only english available
[06:01] <robin_> looks like a bug yes.
[06:01] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: Does it do it in a shell without loading X?
[06:01] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: or is it only X.
[06:01] <_rince_> re
[06:02] <MidMark> I had filed a bug since flight-6, no fixes :(
[06:02] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  didnt try that... I also didnt see if it was just kubuntu
[06:02] <kkathman> I can log in at the login screen though
[06:02] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: If it works in a shell prior to X, then X is loosing something while loading your user stuff.
[06:02] <kkathman> FoodcoMan: being able to login at the login screen and then it dying in kubuntu, tells me its a kubuntu problem
[06:03] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  yep
[06:03] <robin_> MidMark: from my experience the fixes can take a while, on some of my bug reports when breezy was released has been responded last month. saying the bugs didn't appear anymore in dapper :)
[06:03] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: Do you have another user to try on that machine?
[06:03] <mitakka> hi i am using azureus and it always says that my dht is firewalled, so i can't download anything, can somebody tell me what setting to change??
[06:03] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  I'll re logon under Gnome and see if i get the same issue... brb
[06:04] <ctothej> can someone help me troubleshoot? I installed ati's drivers (amd64, x1900 vid), and i have no opengl. How can I install/enable opengl?
[06:04] <MidMark> robin_ thanx
[06:04] <gregg> robin: thanks, that fixed it :)
[06:04] <_Shade_> hi there
[06:04] <robin_> gregg: np
[06:04] <MidMark> robin_ do you know which package set the default resolution in xorg.confg?
[06:04] <MidMark> because is wrong it too :)
[06:04] <gregg> any idea on why that file was corrupted?
[06:04] <robin_> MidMark: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:05] <MidMark> robin_: what does?
[06:05] <robin_> MidMark: run that cmd and than you can set your resolutions and stuff
[06:05] <_Shade_> i know it might be not a related question, but what command can I use to seek a specified nickname ?
[06:05] <Blippe> robin_, this command does reconfigure your xserver (your screen)   dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:06] <MidMark> robin_: I have run the x configuration from the system panel, and the maximum is 1024x768 but my lcd is native in 1280x1024
[06:06] <MidMark> was recognized like a generic monitor
[06:06] <robin_> Blippe: I know.
[06:06] <robin_> MidMark: well, I always turn off all resolution but the one I want :)
[06:06] <robin_> MidMark: I don't know how to force to another resolution if you have set more than one
[06:07] <DaSkreech> Seveas: Lo
[06:07] <Blippe> robin_, :D wrong person...
[06:07] <robin_> gregg: no idea, why it is corrupted, you had crash ?
[06:07] <robin_> Blippe: :) thought so.
[06:07] <noaXess_kubuntu_> hi all
[06:08] <DaSkreech> let me guess
[06:08] <DaSkreech> you have no access to Kubuntu?
[06:08] <noaXess_kubuntu_> does anybody have also the problem tih the nickname on freenode ?.. i have noaXess_kubuntu and can't login.. cause it's allready used..
[06:08] <MidMark> robin_: ok, but which package is responsible to detect monitor resolution? hw-detect?
[06:08] <robin_> noaXess_kubuntu_: did you resgister it ?
[06:08] <noaXess_kubuntu_> yes...
[06:08] <ctothej> noaXess_kubuntu_: ... what he said
[06:09] <robin_> noaXess_kubuntu_: than release it
[06:09] <robin_> noaXess_kubuntu_: and recover
[06:09] <noaXess_kubuntu_> robin_ how?
[06:09] <robin_> noaXess_kubuntu_: msg NickServ how to do that
[06:09] <robin_> MidMark: not a clue :)
[06:09] <noaXess_kubuntu_> [Whois]  noaXess_kubuntu is n=noaXess_@cust.static.217-11-45-147.cybernet.ch (noaXess_kubuntu)
[06:09] <robin_> MidMark: but I thought there is also an applet in kde where you can set the resolution to one you have configured in the xserver
[06:10] <ctothej> noaXess_kubuntu_: /msg NickServ GHOST HELP <-- read that
[06:10] <robin_> MidMark: but I can't come up with the name... can't remember it.
[06:10] <MidMark> robin_: ok
[06:10] <noaXess_kubuntu_> ctothej: password incorrect
[06:11] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  Gnome is fine...can type and everything
[06:11] <ctothej> if you put in the right password... i am not sure why it would say that
[06:11] <robin_> noaXess_kubuntu_: you sure you are using the right password?
[06:11] <kkathman> however, when I tried bringing up the kubuntu kvirc it wont connect, but no problem with gnome xchat
[06:11] <yamal> noaXess_kubuntu_: it's 'help ghost' not the other way around
[06:12] <daurn|laptop> hi
[06:12] <noaXess_kubuntu_> yamal: yes.. thanks
[06:12] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  methinks there was a bad update somewhere :)
[06:12] <ctothej> did you type: '/msg NickServ GHOST noaXess_kubuntu mypassword'  ?
[06:12] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: I think...
[06:12] <DaSkreech> cryptom: Sure. Why not?
[06:12] <noaXess_kubuntu> aha okey.. now im /me
[06:12] <robin_> noaXess_kubuntu: grats :)
[06:13] <cryptom> DaSkreech, I cant find the configure dialog
[06:13] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: might be settings in ~/.kde/share
[06:13] <ctothej> yamal: right... thanks
[06:13] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  but kubuntu always has been a bit behind ubuntu in deployment IIRC
[06:13] <noaXess_kubuntu> he guys thanks..
[06:14] <ctothej> sure
[06:14] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  well the mouse works, and when I was over in Kubuntu, I went to the systemsettings and verified the keyboard and regional settings
[06:14] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  the only thing I did last night was click the defaults on my sound, which enabled them after being silent.  Even then, the problem didnt manifest itself till much later
[06:15] <cryptom> DaSkreech, in kcontrol I only find the settings for the virtual desktop names, but nothing about hotkeys
[06:15] <DaSkreech> Try configuring the hot keys then?
[06:15] <ctothej> Is there a way to read M$ .chm help files or convert them in Linux?
[06:15] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  At least we have it narrowed down to kubuntu
[06:15] <cryptom> DaSkreech, where?
[06:16] <_al_> should there be kde 3.5.3 for kubuntu?
[06:16] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: I am curious if you created a new user, if the new user profile in KDE worked?
[06:16] <DaSkreech> Accessibilty?
[06:17] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  one more interesting thing...when I launch a K-application under gnome, my keyboard is fine :)
[06:17] <DaSkreech> cryptom: Look under Keyboard shortcuts?
[06:17] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: Ugh, that sounds like a windows issue.  Blah.
[06:17] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: Maybe remove and reinstall KDE?
[06:17] <cryptom> DaSkreech, ok thanks, found it.... it is hidden under the point regional settings...
[06:17] <DaSkreech> Yes ;-)
[06:17] <pussfeller> there ws an error about not understanding uft-8 encoding in the upgrade relating to some menu entrie or kdestop things
[06:17] <kkathman> FoodcoMan:  KDE is messed up big time on the install, so I dont want to try reinstalling
[06:18] <pussfeller> in mine, that might be related
[06:18] <kkathman> brb.. gonna try loggin into kubuntu once more
[06:19] <FoodcoMan> kkathman: I snagged my stuff and did a from scratch Dapper install last night on my laptop to dump some upgrade oddities.
[06:19] <robin_> FoodcoMan: kkathman is not here anymore :P
[06:20] <jpatrick> robin_: well observed
[06:20] <FoodcoMan> robin_: Thanks, found out when name expansion quit working.
[06:20] <FoodcoMan> =)
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Anyone ever run oracle?
[06:21] <FoodcoMan> robin_: I get started typing something then interrupted here at work, then when I get back to it sometimes peeps are gone.  :-(
[06:22] <FoodcoMan> hows it going jpatrick?
[06:24] <robin_> Foodcoman_Away: hehe ok :)
[06:25] <ctothej> what is the relationship between apt-get and adept?
[06:25] <ctothej> is adept just a GUI for apt?
[06:25] <DaSkreech> apt-get is a system which sits on top of dpkg
[06:25] <DaSkreech> adept sits on top of apt-get
[06:25] <_chavo> ctothej, yes
[06:26] <ctothej> Oh nice. thank you
[06:26] <mwelchuk> Hi Guys. Has anyone done an upgrade from 5.10 to 6.06, by changing the distribution in sources.list? If so, did it go OK?
[06:27] <jpatrick> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[06:28] <mwelchuk> Yep - saw that page, just seemed very ubuntu specific.
[06:28] <jpatrick> Same thing...
[06:29] <sampan> mwelchuk  it was "OK" but far from painless for me.  the upgrade had several errors and had to be restarted via sudo apt-get install -f  ... at least three times. my sound was not working at all at first and a few other annoyances.
[06:30] <Foodcoman_Away> that wiki covers it all.  Has kdesu and gksudo
[06:30] <mwelchuk> sampan:Yeah - I got as far as downloading the new packages and looking at changes, it looked like it was going to uninstall a few apps I wanted, inkscape for example.
[06:30] <nocloud> hey, is there anywhere i can get a sources.list file for kubuntu dapper?
[06:31] <sampan> mwelchuk  yeah -- for some (unknown) reason, the upgrade decided that i really didn't want OOo anymore and so it deleted it completely -- had to manually apt-get that -- very weird
[06:31] <DaSkreech> !sources
[06:32] <DaSkreech> ubotu: tell nocloud about sources
[06:32] <mwelchuk> sampan:Cheers, guess I'll just have to manually check the list :-(
[06:32] <sampan> good luck! :/
[06:32] <sampan> ;)
[06:33] <nocloud> i've been trying to upgrade breezy to dapper for two days
[06:33] <nocloud> like, literally spent over 15 hours workiing on it
[06:33] <nocloud> and it still won't work
[06:33] <nocloud> kubuntu isn't very user friendly.....
[06:33] <PPower> could somebody submit a bug report for me please?
[06:33] <kosh> wow that seems strange
[06:33] <v3ctor> lol
[06:34] <kosh> so what problems are you having trying to upgrade?
[06:34] <Kadran> !lilo
[06:34] <ubotu> Kadran: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:34] <Kadran> !grub
[06:34] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:34] <PPower> !bug
[06:34] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[06:34] <DaSkreech> Blippe: Ok now I'm confuzzled again
[06:35] <kosh> nocloud: so what problems are you actually having?
[06:35] <nocloud> i tried using adept to do it, but it says there is an error commiting changes, tehre was a problem downloading some packages....
[06:35] <kosh> guess he did not actually want help and just wanted to complain
[06:36] <nocloud> sorry, got disconnected
[06:36] <ctothej> nocloud: have you been getting disconnected a lot?
[06:36] <M4sta> hi, there everyone :) do u mind helping a bit a n00b, who really has lame questions :))
[06:36] <nocloud> no, not really....
[06:36] <kosh> nocloud: close adept, open up a konsole window and type sudo apt-get update   <enter>   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:37] <ctothej> M4sta: just ask buddy
[06:37] <nocloud> it says : some index files failed to download, they have been ognored or old ones used instead
[06:38] <ctothej> nocloud: i suggest just downloading the cd image and using it to upgrade
[06:38] <M4sta> great :)) had 2 ask jsut 2 b polite :)) who knows mayb u have a #kubuntu_n00b chan just for basket cases ;))
[06:39] <nocloud> how do i upgrade with the cd image....i'm using dual boot right now, will the cd image erase my entire disk?
[06:39] <nocloud> does anybody know how i can log in as root?
[06:40] <pestilence> nocloud, sudo -s
[06:40] <ctothej> nocloud: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades
[06:40] <kosh> nocloud: you don't you use sudo
[06:40] <M4sta> i ahve only lil xperience back in my SuSe days, so today i decided to boot the new kubuntu livecd so i can install and start learning
[06:40] <ctothej> read section on upgrading from cd
[06:40] <pestilence> nocloud, add the cdrom to /etc/apt/sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade
[06:40] <pestilence> or do as ctothej says ;)
[06:40] <M4sta> i had np configuring net, but i can't get kPPP going
[06:41] <nocloud> what should i write to add the cd rom?
[06:41] <M4sta> i configure it, but the user and pass fields remain darkened and i can't neter them
[06:41] <M4sta> which kinda hlats the whole thing :))
[06:41] <pestilence> read the wiki
[06:41] <M4sta> halts*
[06:42] <kosh> pestilence: the wiki does not say to use aptitude it says to use apt-get
[06:42] <kkathman> Foodcoman_Away:  no such luck... kubuntu died a slow death sigh... and just when I was thinking about going back to it ;)
[06:42] <ctothej> kosh: whats the first 3 letters of aptitude?
[06:43] <pestilence> kosh, pick your poison, i like aptitude.  they have the same syntax
[06:43] <Tonio_> hi
[06:43] <kosh> ctothej: they don't do things quite the same way
[06:43] <ctothej> oh no?
[06:43] <kosh> ctothej: aptitude is more likely to install stuff then apt-get is
[06:43] <nocloud> i am still getting : some index files failed to download
[06:43] <kosh> they differ in how suggests and reocmmended is handled I think
[06:43] <nocloud> i think there is a problem with my sources.list file
[06:43] <ctothej> hmm
[06:43] <nocloud> does anybody know how i can replace that file with a new one?
[06:44] <ctothej> nocloud: pastebin the file
[06:44] <nocloud> how do i do that?
[06:44] <ctothej> !pastebin
[06:44] <nocloud> !pastebin
[06:44] <nocloud> ?
[06:45] <ctothej> hmmm -> "Pastebin.nl is down right now please use http://gnomefreak.pastebin.com/ until pastebin.nl is back up"
[06:45] <nocloud> okay, i got a sample sources.list
[06:45] <nocloud> how do i replaacec the one i currently have?
[06:46] <kosh> you sure seem intent on blowing your box up
[06:46] <ctothej> nevermind. just go to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com and paste sources.list in there. then give us the url here
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Is there ever going to be #kubuntu+1?
[06:46] <kosh> DaSkreech: why?
[06:47] <MidMark> people, why in adept it doesn't check for packages also in the dvd like breezy?
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Don't know there is a #kubuntu-devel and a #ebuntu
[06:47] <DaSkreech> Why not a #kubuntu+1
[06:47] <james_xxx> i would love to see ebuntu perfected a little
[06:48] <nocloud> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/753801
[06:48] <DaSkreech> james_xxx: Volunteer
[06:48] <james_xxx> what is the +1 about?
[06:48] <v3ctor> dev
[06:48] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: not too many people there and here, does not warrant a +1 channel, i think
[06:48] <Celeste> hi
[06:48] <DaSkreech> It's what ever the next version is
[06:48] <ctothej> someone else take a look with me: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/753801
[06:48] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: it was discussed in a kubuntu meeting, so there you go :)
[06:48] <james_xxx> DaSkreech: if i were only up to par... i would have to learn a lot more first
[06:49] <DaSkreech> so Now that dapper is out it would be the area for edgy
[06:49] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Have the log?
[06:49] <Celeste> please help me with vmware tools ....  I have installed the "linux-headers"  but vmware tools cannot find the kernel headers....
[06:49] <Celeste> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[06:49] <Celeste> The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory.
[06:49] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: hmm, it should be linked off the kubuntu meetings page on the wiki
[06:49] <kosh> nocloud: it looks fine why not just try running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:50] <nocloud> yea, i did run that and i got the some index files failed to download message
[06:50] <ubuntu> he compilado 14 veces el kernel, me corro de gusto
[06:50] <gil> how do i set up a Lexmark all in one X2350
[06:50] <DaSkreech> DShepherd: Stalker!
[06:51] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: sue me!
[06:51] <v3ctor> gil: when you find out let me know
[06:51] <Tonio_> Celeste: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.15-23-386/
[06:51] <kosh> nocloud: could you please run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and if it gives any errors could you please put those in the pastebin
[06:51] <Tonio_> Celeste: of course depends on the kernel headers you have installed
[06:51] <ubuntu> se me pone dura cuando inicio KDE
[06:52] <ubuntu_> How do I format a partition to reiser4 from qtparted ?
[06:53] <MidMark> people, why in adept it doesn't check for packages also in the dvd like breezy?
[06:53] <nocloud> here's the error message: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/753815
[06:53] <dickhall_> wow, updating to dapper totally hosed my box
[06:54] <jorgp_> how do I get my resolution back to 1024x768, I have that resolution in xorg.conf, but kubuntu only seems to want to run in 640x480
[06:54] <kosh> nocloud: just comment out the line in /etc/apt/sources.list that is for backports and then run sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:54] <robotgeek> jorgp_, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:56] <dickhall_> changed all my repos to dapper, ran the command on the website, rebooted - get dumped to a command prompt and I can't get networking working
[06:56] <dickhall_> well, I can get boxes on my local network, but nothing outside
[06:56] <bjoern__> hi
[06:56] <bjoern__> i cant play mp3
[06:56] <bjoern__> what can i do?
[06:56] <dickhall_> so I'm gonna copy all my files off and wipe the whole thing. I knew upgrading would suck
[06:56] <dickhall_> !mp3
[06:56] <ubotu> mp3 is probably a patented format; to enable mp3 capability see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:56] <nocloud> for some reason, kate won't open it and when i open it with kedit, it tells me unable to write to file...
[06:56] <DaSkreech> !tell bjoern__ about mp3
[06:56] <Seantater_> anyine gone to kde-apps.org recently?
[06:57] <Seantater_> Looks like they crashed
[06:57] <mwe_> I having problems making the pager transparent
[06:57] <bjoern__> well i have did that already and ich cant find libxine-extracodecs in adept
[06:57] <mwe_> Seantater_: kde-look.org seems to be down at least
[06:57] <bjoern__> s/ich/I
[06:57] <kosh> nocloud: how abotu kdesu kedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:58] <mwe_> Seantater_: well it seems I can connect to both again now
[06:58] <bjoern__> so, what is to do?
[06:58] <mwe_> is anyone able to make the kde pager transparent?
[06:58] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: do you have multiverse enabled?
[06:58] <Seantater_> mwe_: Yep -- I can make it trans
[06:58] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: yes
[06:58] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: at least i think so
[06:59] <Seantater_> mwe_: Works perfect here -- KDE 3.5.3 (just updated from 3.5.2)
[06:59] <mwe_> it's really odd. it used to be transparent but now it wont work :| is your panel transparent or not?
[06:59] <Seantater_> mwe_: Dapper has 3.5.2 by default -- consider upgrading
[06:59] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: Well You could check :)
[06:59] <mwe_> Seantater_: oh
[06:59] <Seantater_> mwe_: yep -- my poanel is trans too
[06:59] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: I activated all sources :)
[06:59] <mwe_> Seantater_: what mirror is that from?
[06:59] <DaSkreech> how many packages do you have available?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> It's at the bottom of adept
[07:00] <robotgeek> Tonio_: heh
[07:00] <bjoern__> 18301
[07:00] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: 18301
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Sounds about right
[07:00] <Seantater_> mwe_: hold on -- I'm looking for it
[07:00] <DaSkreech> Serch for xine?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> How many choices do you have?
[07:00] <mwe_> Seantater_: thanks
[07:01] <DaSkreech> like 15-18?
[07:01] <Seantater_> mwe_: look here --> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-353.php  **HOWEVER** -- the mirrors are really slow -- there is one specififc one that is fast -- I'll look for it
[07:01] <bjoern__> wait ... filterting
[07:01] <bjoern__> :)
[07:01] <nocloud> okay, i believee i had removed the ones that don't work from the sources.list file.....
[07:01] <mwe_> Seantater_: yeah cat your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[07:01] <nocloud> adept is doing something right now.....i'll let you guys know what happens
[07:02] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: 15
[07:02] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:02] <DaSkreech> and you won't have a libxine-extracodecs?
[07:02] <DaSkreech> don't sorry
[07:02] <Seantater_> mwe_: this server is the fastest --> I'll give you the line to add to sources in a sec
[07:02] <Seantater_> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.5.3/kubuntu
[07:03] <bjoern__> nope
[07:03] <mwe_> Seantater_: thanks
[07:03] <Seantater_> mwe_: add the following to sources (no quotes)->  "deb ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.5.3/kubuntu dapper main"
[07:03] <bjoern__> jsut libxinedev and main1 and libxinerama and some other stuff
[07:04] <bjoern__> shall i update KDE?
[07:04] <MidMark> guys please help me: how can add dvd to the source list in adept?
[07:04] <MidMark> which line I have to add?
[07:04] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: any ideas?
[07:04] <DaSkreech> MidMark: It should be there already if you instaleld from DVD
[07:04] <MidMark> nope
[07:05] <MidMark> it wasn't
[07:05] <DaSkreech> do you have libxine1c2?
[07:05] <mwe_> Seantater_: thank you. I'm downloading the new packages with apt now
[07:06] <mwe_> Seantater_: I'm crossing my fingers that it will fix the trans problem
[07:06] <MidMark> DaSkreech: can you provide me the exact string to add please?
[07:06] <marek_> hi
[07:06] <marek_> gays
[07:06] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: nope libxine-main1 and libxine-dev
[07:06] <Seantater_> mwe_: (just in case you still wanted it) here's my apt sources: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/753842
[07:07] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: I think you may not have multiverse on :)
[07:07] <Seantater_> mwe_: Enjoy a more bug-fixed KDE!
[07:07] <mwe_> Seantater_: yeah
[07:07] <Seantater_> mwe_: Is your dapper the final release?
[07:07] <mwe_> Seantater_: yes
[07:08] <DaSkreech> MidMark: deb cdrom:[<name of DVD>] / dapper main restricted
[07:08] <Seantater_> mwe_: good -- it should work perfect then
[07:08] <mwe_> Seantater_: well I just upgraded from the flight I had
[07:08] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: main restricted universe multiverse  < this one is enabeld
[07:08] <Seantater_> mwe_: so did I
[07:08] <mwe_> Seantater_: nothing needed to upgrade at the release date though
[07:08] <Seantater_> mwe_: and the upgrade went perfect
[07:08] <Seantater_> mwe_: many things had to upgrade for me (moved from flight6 -> final)
[07:09] <mwe_> Seantater_: I upgraded two days before the release and nothing new needed to updating yesterday
[07:09] <MidMark> DaSkreech: name of dvd is what I want?
[07:09] <Seantater_> mwe_: so I could have beat the rush?
[07:09] <mwe_> Seantater_: yeah probably :)
[07:09] <Seantater_> mwe_: I'll kep that in mind next time -- maybe it won;t take so long
[07:09] <mwe_> Seantater_: probably not
[07:09] <Seantater_> mwe_: how fast is it d/ling for you?
[07:09] <kosh> I just upgrade every day
[07:09] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: which line do add maybe?
[07:10] <mwe_> Seantater_: like 150 KB/S
[07:10] <DaSkreech> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper multiverse
[07:10] <mwe_> Seantater_: well did you know removing us. from you mirrors can speed up downloads?
[07:10] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: That's for you :)
[07:11] <DaSkreech> MidMark: I don't know the name of the DVd :)
[07:11] <Seantater_> mwe_: it was d/ling here at 2500 b/s (bytes!!!), even though I have a 600kb/s conn to the inet
[07:11] <bjoern__> DaSkreech:  okay thank you
[07:11] <DaSkreech> MidMark: When you put it in it automounts?
[07:11] <Seantater_> mwe_: but that was one hour after release
[07:11] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: Let me know if you need anythign else
[07:11] <mwe_> Seantater_: oh
[07:11] <MidMark> the label?
[07:11] <mwe_> Seantater_: using archive.ubuntu.com instead of us.archive.ubuntu.com will redirect you to the least busy mirror
[07:12] <Foodcoman_Away> sounds like we need apt-torrent.  =)
[07:12] <Seantater_> mwe_: I'll do that!
[07:13] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: i will try it know, lets hope!
[07:13] <MidMark> what is the name of the dvd? How can I find it? Is the dvd label?
[07:13] <Seantater_> mwe_: surces edited for archive instead of us.archive -- thanks
[07:14] <MidMark> Tried cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06 i386] / without success
[07:14] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: ah got it!!
[07:14] <mwe_> Seantater_: yw
[07:15] <bjoern__> DaSkreech: thank you very much!
[07:15] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: Certainly
[07:15] <DaSkreech> bjoern__: Come again
[07:16] <MidMark> DaSkreech: what is the name of the dvd? How can I find it? Is the dvd label?
[07:16] <DaSkreech> MidMark: When you put it in it comes up on the desktop
[07:17] <DaSkreech> That name it comes up as is the name you use
[07:17] <DaSkreech> aseigo_boston: Morning
[07:18] <bjoern__> bye
[07:18] <bjoern__> have good evening
[07:18] <aseigo_boston> DaSkreech: moin
[07:19] <MidMark> DaSkreech: ok but it doesn't work, it doesn't fetch all the dvd packages...
[07:19] <Kadran> hi can any one tells me what is this error means?
[07:19] <Kadran> Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/dists/dapper/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/source/Sources in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
[07:20] <Kadran> it happens when i do 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:21] <DaSkreech> MidMark: Are you trying to install everything from the DVD on to your computer?
[07:22] <MidMark> DaSkreech: I want to install some other packages with adept from dvd
[07:23] <DaSkreech> MidMark: Why?
[07:23] <DaSkreech> Why not from the net?
[07:23] <cristiano> hello people. can anyone remember me the url on the ubuntu site for the installation of 3rd party codecs? thx :)
[07:23] <robotgeek> cristiano, take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:24] <MidMark> DaSkreech: because I'm writing a review for newby user and I want to make it for all people, also the people who doesn't have ADSL or fast connection...
[07:24] <cristiano> robotgeek: thx it was that i was looking for :)
[07:24] <DaSkreech> But have Dapper DVD :-)
[07:24] <iNiku> so... any problems with kde 3.5.3 so far?
[07:24] <DaSkreech>  I guess they could shipt
[07:24] <iNiku> should I update?
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Umm hold on let me see
[07:25] <DaSkreech> imbrandon_zZz: Doh!
[07:25] <Kadran> iNiku: kde353 is kool
[07:25] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: Can I get a little help?
[07:25] <cristiano> iNiku: kde353 is GO here :)
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I have been using it for 3 days with no issues
[07:26] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: sure
[07:26] <iNiku> okay, cool :)
[07:26] <DShepherd> DaSkreech: what's your problem now? :-)
[07:27] <mips> The installer does not have support for reiser4 ?
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I am using madwifi-ng also with no issues other than now have to use wpa-driver wext instead of wpa-madwifi (couldn't be bothered rebuilding wpa_supplicant)
[07:32] <robin_> MidMark: you did ask about the resolutin right ?
[07:32] <robin_> MidMark: resolution* ?
[07:32] <robin_> MidMark: you can modify it quite easily in the system settings->display app
[07:32] <_silje> do anyone know why i get a error with status 10 when i trie to install blackdown java; j2re1.4 ?
[07:32] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: have you tried NM with that yet?
[07:33] <MidMark> robin_: thanx this is fixed now, I have changed monitor and it is ok
[07:33] <MidMark> robin_: now I have the problem of sources
[07:33] <MidMark> robin_: adept doesn't fetch dvd for packages to install
[07:33] <robin_> MidMark: what problem of sources ?
[07:34] <robin_> MidMark, hmm I only use the internet for the packages.
[07:34] <robin_> MidMark: as source, so you always have the newest ones.
[07:35] <MidMark> robin_: yes so do I, but a newbie user that come and hasn't an adsl or internet connection cannot add anything with adept
[07:35] <mips> How do I format drives for reiser4 from installer ?
[07:35] <robin_> MidMark: adept lacks in modifying the respositories.
[07:36] <MidMark> robin_: yes a lot
[07:36] <robin_> MidMark: hmm, is apt-setup still available ?
[07:37] <MidMark> robin_: the problem is I'm writing a review and my target is to not to touch konsole never, like a newbie...
[07:37] <MidMark> robin_: too hard? :-P
[07:37] <robin_> MidMark: hmm, let me take a look at adept
[07:37] <robin_> MidMark: you'r writing for some website ?
[07:37] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: you compiled madwifi-ng yourself? from svn or a snapshot?
[07:37] <MidMark> robin_: yes
[07:37] <robin_> MidMark: which website :) ?
[07:38] <_silje> do anyone know why i get a error with status 10 when i trie to install blackdown java; j2re1.4 ?
[07:38] <MidMark> robin_: that is secret for now :)
[07:38] <robin_> MidMark: hehe ok :)
[07:38] <imbrandon_zZz> _silje, try suns java instead ............................
[07:38] <imbrandon_zZz> !sun-java5-jre
[07:38] <ubotu> it has been said that sun-java5-jre is ... to install Suns Java enable multiverse and universe repositories and type "sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre" in a terminal
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Just from the snapshot they are daily (I think mine was a day old)
[07:38] <DaSkreech> robotgeek: How do I find out the name of a CDrom so that I can add it to sources.list
[07:39] <MidMark> robin_: my target is always use the gui and make always the most easy thing :)
[07:39] <robin_> MidMark: but for the resolution fix, did you touch the konsole :) ?
[07:39] <imbrandon_zZz> DaSkreech, apt-cdrom
[07:39] <robotgeek> DaSkreech: there is a apt-cdrom
[07:39] <MidMark> robin_: no :)
[07:39] <DaSkreech> Ahhh
[07:39] <DaSkreech> MidMark: There you go :)
[07:39] <_silje> imbrandon_zZz: I realy want blackdown java:P
[07:39] <robin_> MidMark: ok =)
[07:39] <RavenTest> Is there a Mozilla-sunbird built for kubuntu ??
[07:39] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: okay, I might give that a try
[07:39] <_silje> Unpacking ssh (from .../ssh_1%3a3.6.1p2-5_i386.deb) ...
[07:39] <DaSkreech> RavenTest: Good question. I doubt it though
[07:39] <MidMark> DaSkreech: what?
[07:39] <_silje> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ssh_1%3a3.6.1p2-5_i386.deb
[07:39] <_silje> (--unpack):
[07:39] <_silje>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 10
[07:39] <_silje> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:39] <_silje>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ssh_1%3a3.6.1p2-5_i386.deb
[07:39] <_silje> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:40] <_silje> only that im trying to install java
[07:40] <iNiku> although... the standard dapper madwifi works fine for me
[07:40] <imbrandon_zZz> dont paste in here
[07:40] <robin_> _silje: take a look at the topic please :)
[07:40] <DaSkreech> MidMark: apt-cdrom is the solution to your problems
[07:40] <robotgeek> _silje: please dont paste here, use pastein
[07:40] <RavenTest> DaSkreech: ok thanks
[07:40] <robin_> _silje: no copy paste here
[07:40] <iNiku> apart from NM
[07:40] <_silje> sorry bobbys
[07:40] <MidMark> DaSkreech: via konsole?
[07:40] <robotgeek> MidMark: so, adept has no way to add cdroms?
[07:40] <DaSkreech> RavenTest: It's still too hope-it-works=ish
[07:41] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: I wanted to fix the fact my fglrx locks the computer on shutdown sometime - so built 2.6.16 (applyed the real time patches as well as I had been meaning to) then build madwifi-ng
[07:41] <robin_> MidMark: you can use apt-cdrom, but .. if you start to install from the dvd, isn't the dvd already added in sources.list ?
[07:41] <MidMark> robotgeek: breezy fetch into dvd, don't know you dapper doesn't
[07:41] <DaSkreech> imbrandon awakens!!
[07:41] <MidMark> robin_: no, this is the problem!
[07:41] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: ah, cool... any problems with 2.6.16?
[07:41] <MidMark> robin_: a bug I think
[07:41] <robin_> MidMark: I would call that a bug..
[07:41] <robotgeek> MidMark: hmm, i thought that it should popup a thing, not sure. never done it before
[07:41] <cbo> hello all. is there any trick to use i386 repositories in an amd64 system for all the non ported yet packages?
[07:41] <Healot> I had problem with Kubuntu installation using the alternate CD, during the "Select and Install Package", my screen went blank
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: Non whatsoever (and it feels so much faster because of the realtime patches)
[07:42] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: there's no ubuntu patched 2.6.16 available, is there?
[07:42] <MidMark> robin_: I'm searching the exact string to add in adept
[07:42] <cbo> Healot: did you solve it?
[07:42] <imbrandon> cbo, check your apt.conf
[07:42] <MidMark> robin_: to have fetching with dvd....
[07:42] <MidMark> back in 15 mins
[07:42] <robin_> MidMark: well you could use first apt-cdrom
[07:42] <DaSkreech> james_xxx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ebuntu
[07:42] <cbo> imbrandon: ok
[07:42] <DaSkreech> THey have a we need help list :)
[07:42] <robin_> MidMark: which it seems add quite easily the cdrom to your apt sources
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> iNiku: No mine is just patched with http://people.redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.16-rt26 from vanilla
[07:42] <robin_> MidMark: and than copy paste that line
[07:42] <robin_> MidMark: into your review ;)
[07:43] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: okay
[07:43] <MidMark> robin_: ok trying
[07:43] <cbo> imbrandon: what do i have to do with apt.conf?
[07:43] <Healot> cbo: I have my own workaround, install GRUB after Base Install
[07:44] <Healot> and then wait for the LED to finish for "Select and Install" stage and "Copy Remaining Packages" stage, press Enter and reboot
[07:44] <imbrandon> cbo you woudl setup a chroot for i386, you cant just install an i386 pkg in a x64 sys
[07:45] <cbo> healot: thanks
[07:45] <_silje> cant anyone please help me?
[07:45] <Healot> cbo: experience the same problem?
[07:45] <MidMark> robin_: it works, but it is not so user friendly....
[07:45] <iNiku> h3sp4wn: so have you tried NM yet, is the scanning problem solved?
[07:46] <Healot> i did that using expert mode... so I can skip the two stage after Base "Install"
[07:46] <cbo> imbrandon: i was following a howto made for breezy, the first step is to install dchroot but package doesnt exist
[07:46] <robin_> MidMark: true, It's a shame adept doesn't have the same repository management as synaptic
[07:46] <imbrandon> brb
[07:47] <cbo> healot: my screen went blank after pressing 'install' in the alternate cd. I've solved it using the vga='dontremember' tip for laptops
[07:47] <robin_> MidMark: anyway, you should report it as a bug, kubuntu should of course add the dvd to the sources.list if you start the install from the dvd in the first place :)
[07:48] <Healot> vga= option?
[07:48] <MidMark> robin_: yes there are a lot of bugs in this release
[07:48] <robin_> MidMark: I haven't encounter as much as in breezy :)
[07:48] <Healot> OK, I'll try that, thanks cbo
[07:48] <robin_> MidMark: many*
[07:48] <MidMark> robin_: no right resolution in my lcd, no sound yet, no internet (missing dns), no cd-rom sources in adept, no italian languages installed
[07:49] <InfraRed> kubuntu installer is cute :)
[07:49] <_hasso_> anyone here responsible for kubuntu web?
[07:49] <robin_> MidMark: hmm, I haven't any of those issues (except the resolution).
[07:49] <Healot> I need the alternate cause I need LVM and RAID configure for my workstation
[07:49] <robin_> MidMark: to be honest I'm quite impressed, finally my wifi works without using ndiswrapper.
[07:50] <robin_> MidMark: but than, the application to use WPA encryption has to be installed seperatly..
[07:50] <cbo> healot: you're wellcome
[07:50] <MidMark> robin_: I know this is a great release, but there are some regressions from breezy very bad
[07:50] <pestilence> is there anything like NetworkManager for kubuntu?
[07:50] <MidMark> robin_: language first but dvd sources then...
[07:50] <pestilence> http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/
[07:50] <robin_> pestilence: yes, knetworkmanager
[07:50] <robin_> pestilence: works great
[07:50] <pestilence> does it work well?
[07:50] <robin_> pestilence: using it now :)
[07:50] <pestilence> ok :-D
[07:51] <iNiku> wow, kde 3.5.3 screwed up my X colors somehow
[07:51] <MidMark> robin_: and language I have reported in flight-6 as well
[07:51] <pestilence> it transparently moves from wireless networks to wired networks?
[07:51] <dontm> man happy dapper day quickly turned into dapper disaster for me last night
[07:51] <robin_> MidMark: yes, kubuntu releases lack on the QA part
[07:51] <dontm> everything was awesome until i rebooted and lost network connectivity
[07:51] <iNiku> they are totally messed up, kind of like a negative picture...
[07:51] <dontm> already tried /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:51] <dontm> ifdown eth0
[07:51] <dontm> ifup eth0
[07:51] <robin_> pestilence: only using wifi, but it works great
[07:52] <dontm> ifconfig -a shows that im pulling an ip from my router via dhcp
[07:52] <pestilence> robin_, it automatically detects networks?
[07:52] <dontm> dont know what else to try =-/
[07:52] <robin_> pestilence: I even see many more wifi network in the area than with windows :D
[07:52] <robin_> pestilence: yes
[07:52] <pestilence> robin_, cool.  does it do wpa?
[07:52] <robin_> pestilence: and support WPA out of the box
[07:52] <robin_> pestilence: yes :)
[07:52] <pestilence> robin_, awesome!
[07:52] <robin_> pestilence: yep
[07:52] <MidMark> bug #39483
[07:52] <pestilence> i'm installing now.  i have used whereami for the longest time, but am so sick of it
[07:53] <robin_> pestilence: only to have it automatically connects you have to turn on essid on your wifi router.
[07:53] <MidMark> and so on, I'm filling a lot of bug report
[07:53] <robin_> pestilence: otherwise you have to do it manually every time.. at least here.
[07:53] <pestilence> robin_, ok...i'm giving it a shot, bbiab
[07:53] <robin_> pestilence: but it works great, i'm quite impressed :)
[07:53] <pestilence> great :)
[07:53] <brosio> ehy there is a new version of amule cause a security fix but the package on apt isn't update yet
[07:54] <robin_> MidMark: but as I said before, I did it too with breezy, and some of them where left in the freezer until a month ago :
[07:54] <robin_> :(
[07:54] <robin_> brosio: isn't backported?
[07:54] <MidMark> robin_: yes but language bug is major in my opnion
[07:54] <brosio> robin_: backported ? what does it means ?
[07:55] <frank23> MidMark: it may be because you didn't have net access during installation. not sure about that though
[07:55] <robin_> brosio: I meant, sometimes security fixes are maded back in older version..
[07:55] <cbo> does someone know which package replaces dchroot? it was available in breezy to make a chroot environment in order to install i386 packages on it in an amd64 system.
[07:55] <robin_> brosio: because newer versions contaitns extra feautres, and so extra bugs :)
[07:55] <robin_> MidMark: true
[07:55] <robin_> MidMark: very big one :)
[07:55] <brosio> mmm
[07:55] <brosio> the changelog of newversion
[07:55] <frank23> cbo: its in universe
[07:55] <robin_> brosio: BUT i'm not sure of that :)
[07:56] <frank23> !info dchroot
[07:56] <ubotu> dchroot: (Execute commands under different root filesystems), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 0.11 (breezy), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 88 kB
[07:56] <brosio> is only security fix
[07:56] <brosio> so
[07:56] <cbo> frank23: ok thanks
[07:56] <robin_> MidMark: they really screwed up breezy by adding to the release version the newest KDE version, (which wasn't in the Release candidate release), so they broke all kinds of stuff on the day of the release
[07:57] <robin_> MidMark: I think kubuntu lacks testing ...
[07:57] <robin_> MidMark: and maybe not enough people to deal with all the bugs.
[07:57] <Bazzi> kubuntu lacked support for some time but I think it's getting way better now
[07:57] <robin_> true
[07:57] <uscg_corey> is there a way to view images in an email w/o adding sender to contact list and w/o enabling imagest o be shown in all messages in evolution?
[07:58] <Bazzi> the last 2 months in dapper cev cycle transformed it from unusable to "ok"
[07:58] <Bazzi> dev cycle*
[07:58] <robin_> but I think ubuntu has better quality, although I'm a huge Gnome hater :)
[07:58] <iNiku> hmm. does kdm on 3.5.3 show the login about half a line too high on anyone else's system?
[07:58] <robin_> iNiku: didn't notice
[07:58] <frank23> kde 3.5.3 is out?
[07:59] <Bazzi> iNiku: yep login screen is a bit broken, here
[07:59] <robin_> iNiku: oh is that new kde, haven't test it.
[07:59] <iNiku> robin_: as in, the login name is about half a line higher than the login prompt
[07:59] <Bazzi> the inputs don't have borders at all here
[07:59] <iNiku> yep
[07:59] <Bazzi> and the login name is too high
[07:59] <frank23> Bazzi: I'm not in a hurry to switch kde
[07:59] <robin_> iNiku: I wouldnt' dare to upgrade it now :)
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Anyone use picard?
[07:59] <iNiku> Bazzi: that too, although I suppose the borders could habve been lost on purpose
[07:59] <iNiku> but the login name being too high definitely looks like a bug
[07:59] <robin_> because newer is not always better :)
[07:59] <Bazzi> iNiku: it looks like accidental though
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Instead of Musicbrainz?
[08:00] <iNiku> Bazzi: yeah, I agree
[08:00] <ctothej> how do i install flash player on AMD64 firefox?
[08:00] <iNiku> things look good otherwise, though
[08:00] <ctothej> or any browser for that matter
[08:00] <brosio> clothej u can't
[08:01] <Bazzi> wait for flash 9 :)
[08:01] <robin_> ctothej: mission impossible IV
[08:01] <iNiku> although for some reason the update screwed up my X colors and required a reboot to set them right again
[08:01] <ctothej> brosio: isnt there a way to use 32bit plugin?
[08:01] <ctothej> oh man
[08:01] <robin_> ctothej: although you can run firefox in a i386 chroot
[08:01] <iNiku> but it's probably a feature of the graphics chipset on this laptop
[08:01] <ctothej> why wouldnt macromedia/adobe develop a 64 bit player?
[08:01] <ctothej> wtf is wrong with them
[08:02] <Bazzi> ctothej: they do for flash 9
[08:02] <robin_> way overdue
[08:02] <brosio> ctothej take a while and they do it on flash 9
[08:02] <Bazzi> they skipped flash 8 for amd64/linux because of incompetence
[08:02] <Bazzi> err I mean...
[08:02] <robin_> and for windows 64 bit too :)
[08:02] <ctothej> is there already a flash 9?
[08:02] <cioban> hi all
[08:02] <Bazzi> those poor win64 souls...
[08:02] <robin_> I think it is possitive that adobe own macromedia know
[08:03] <robin_> now*
[08:03] <robin_> for the linux compatibility issues..
[08:03] <robin_> bye cioban
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Grrr
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Ok so I would really like to have musicbrainz with mp3 support
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Is that possible?
[08:04] <Bazzi> possibly
[08:04] <robin_> I thought so
[08:04] <robin_> I did have it once, no idea how :)
[08:05] <ctothej> Flash player 9 public beta is only available for Win and Mac... bastards
[08:05] <robin_> DaSkreech: ty :)
[08:05] <robin_> DaSkreech: amarok doesn't support it ?
[08:05] <DaSkreech> robin_: not by default it seems
[08:05] <robin_> DaSkreech: have you asked in #amarok ?
[08:05] <DaSkreech>  And musicbrainz has moved on to picard
[08:06] <DaSkreech> So I tried to install picard but #amarok reports they don't support it
[08:06] <robin_> DaSkreech: picard ? from the enterprise ?
[08:06] <OmniD> What is a popular Linux TV tuner program?
[08:06] <DaSkreech> So I'm back to good old musicbrainz with no mp3 support
[08:06] <robin_> DaSkreech: I don't know picard
[08:06] <DaSkreech> robin_: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/PicardTagger
[08:06] <DeadS0ul> OmniD: kdetv =D
[08:07] <OmniD> nah that's not the one I heard of
[08:07] <OmniD> I'll try that one too I guess
[08:07] <OmniD> but without apt-get or the repositories working I don't wanna go digging around for too many programs
[08:08] <OmniD> (for me anyways)
[08:09] <pestilence> so how do i get wpa going on knetworkmanager.  i've never used wpa before
[08:09] <MidMark> robin_: I have filed some bugs... also in ubiquity, the problem is ALL tests are done in english and this is wrong, because non-english installations have ALWAYS more bugs
[08:09] <pestilence> i configured my router (netgear mr814) to do wpa-psk
[08:09] <pestilence> what settings do i need in knetworkmanager?
[08:09] <cioban> do u speak german here too?
[08:09] <pestilence> cioban, no, #ubuntu-de
[08:09] <pestilence> or #kubuntu-de
[08:10] <PPower> hello all. im upgrading to kde 3.5.3 and i heard that during the night it will do stuff called prelink. my pc will not be on during the night. is it critical?
[08:12] <visik7> I've put a kubuntu live cd into an asus v6j befor boot I select 1400x1050 fb goes to it
[08:12] <visik7> but X goes to 1024x768
[08:13] <robin_> pestilence: sorry I was afk
[08:13] <robin_> pestilence: have you get it to work ?
[08:13] <pestilence> no, not yet
[08:13] <pestilence> robin_, what settings do i need to do WPA-PSK?
[08:13] <robin_> MidMark: yes, but I think the vast majority uses the english version :)
[08:13] <FoodcoMan> Is Cedega the only DirectX supported version of Wine?
[08:13] <robin_> pestilence: depends
[08:14] <pestilence> robin_, i've never used wpa before, so i really don't have a clue
[08:14] <robin_> pestilence: well
[08:14] <robin_> pestilence: first does it use wpa 1 or 2 ?
[08:14] <h3sp4wn> you need just the preshared key you set in the router
[08:14] <pestilence> ok, i have that
[08:14] <pestilence> i don't know
[08:14] <robin_> pestilence: and you have to choose between TKIP or AES
[08:14] <pestilence> robin_, i'm not sure what version wpa it uses
[08:15] <robin_> pestilence: probably one than I think.
[08:15] <h3sp4wn> unless you know otherwise it will probably be WPA TKIP
[08:15] <pestilence> robin_, my router doesn't give me any of these choices.
[08:15] <robin_> pestilence: hmm probably TKIp than
[08:15] <robin_> pestilence: or try the auto mode
[08:15] <pestilence> i tried auto
[08:16] <robin_> pestilence: ok, than try all 4 settings
[08:16] <pestilence> it should most likely be "personal", though right?
[08:16] <robin_> pestilence: so WPA 1 WPA2 and TKIP and AES
[08:16] <robin_> pestilence: yes
[08:17] <robin_> pestilence: just add your essid, the encryption on WPA personal, and WPA 1 or WPA2 and try the TKIP and AES
[08:17] <pestilence> it gets stuck at ip configuration
[08:17] <robin_> pestilence: no dhcp ?
[08:17] <robin_> pestilence: have you already tried all 4 ?
[08:17] <pestilence> not yet :)  it takes a while for it to time out
[08:17] <robin_> pestilence: oh, well if it does work, it goes quite fast
[08:18] <robin_> pestilence: what router do you have ?
[08:18] <pestilence> for wpa 2 it hangs at "configuring device"
[08:18] <pestilence> robin_, netgear mr814
[08:19] <MidMark> robin_: all people who can understand english :)
[08:20] <klerfayt> how you prevent from letting user b to know user a password if user a password=sudo?
[08:20] <robin_> MidMark: yes :), I always hate to have use software in my own language
[08:20] <robin_> MidMark: because it just sounds weird in Dutch :)
[08:21] <robin_> pestilence: well it doesn't support WPA2 :)
[08:21] <robin_> pestilence: and even not WPA1, but it does support WPA-PSK, I dont' know the difference between those two....
[08:21] <robin_> pestilence: but just stick to WPA1
[08:22] <iNiku> WPA-PSK just means Pre-Shared Key, it can be WPA1 or WPA2
[08:22] <robin_> iNiku: well accordign to the netgear site, it doesn't support WPA1 and WPA2, but does WPA-PSK
[08:22] <robin_> iNiku: so probably an error there, but I don't think it support WPA2
[08:23] <iNiku> robin_: that probably means it doesn't do WPA2 so it only does WPA-PSK
[08:23] <iNiku> actually there is no WPA1, there's WPA and WPA2
[08:23] <iNiku> and WPA-PSK can apply to both
[08:23] <robin_> iNiku: roger
[08:24] <robin_> pestilence: you have enable dhcp server on the router?
[08:24] <pestilence> robin_, yes, and it worked fine in wep mode (not using knetworkmanager, though)
[08:25] <robin_> pestilence: you have windos to try the WPA mode ?
[08:25] <robin_> windows*
[08:25] <pestilence> nope
[08:26] <robin_> pestilence: ehm, does it just hang at ip configuraiton or does it gave an error
[08:26] <robin_> @
[08:27] <pestilence> well, i killed it and now things are really broken
[08:27] <pestilence> the app says "networkmanager not running"
[08:28] <pestilence> i think networkmanager is crashing
[08:28] <fatejudger> has anyone had trouble with the usplash shutdown not working very well after the last round of updates?
[08:29] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: fglrx ?
[08:29] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: yes
[08:30] <eqisow> afternoon fellas
[08:30] <pestilence> i guess it's off to see if a reboot fixes anything :-/
[08:30] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I have had that problem ever since I have been using dapper (with ubuntu's kernel)
[08:30] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it worked for awhile
[08:30] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: then they broke something again, and now it's really messed up
[08:31] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I don't believe it has anything to do with fgrlx though
[08:31] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: since my computer with an nvidia card has the exact same problem
[08:32] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Does it shut down properly with ati ?
[08:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: no
[08:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I have to "pull the plug" so to speak
[08:32] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: there's something very wrong with this particular setup
[08:32] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: i.e the open source driver not fglrx
[08:33] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: oh, I haven't tried
[08:33] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I know my intel graphics and nvidia comps shut down fine
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I thought you just said your computer with an nvidia card has the exact same problem
[08:33] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it doesn't show the usplash
[08:33] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but it does shut down
[08:33] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: this computer doesn't shut down at all
[08:34] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it just hangs after it kills X
[08:34] <linuxmonkey> !nvidia
[08:34] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[08:34] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I have managed to get mine to shutdown properly using 2.6.16 but haven't been using it long enough to know whether it is fixed 100% of the time
[08:35] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: isn't that the kernel version Dapper uses?
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Dapper uses a highly patched 2.6.15
[08:35] <linuxmonkey> hrmmmm ok those steps to install nvidia drivers dont work, any ideas?
[08:36] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: meh, I hate compiling the kernel
[08:36] <linuxmonkey> anyone?
[08:36] <dontm> h3sp4wn: after my first reboot after upgrading to dapper, i lost network connectivity.  i already tried /etc/init.d/networking restart to no avail and ifconfig -a says im pulling an ip and my router web interface from another machine confirms my linux box on pulling the same ip on the router via dhcp.  any other ideas on what ot try?
[08:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: it worked fine for a long time
[08:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: does this affect fglrx in Gnome too?
[08:37] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: because that would be a huge bug
[08:37] <test34> if you enable auto-login, it only auto-login from the local computer right? ie: not remote connections
[08:38] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: No linux kernel developers are bothered about people using tainted kernels if the bug cannot be reproduced with the opensource drivers they won't even look at it (unless maybe they have the card themselves and want to fix it)
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I don't think it affects gnome
[08:39] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but everyone using (K)ubuntu uses that patched kernel
[08:39] <fatejudger> ah
[08:39] <fatejudger> that would be why nobody cares
[08:40] <rzei> doesn't kubuntu by default play mp3 files?
[08:40] <MidMark> robin_: italian is so sweet :-P but I prefer english too because it has shorter words
[08:40] <fatejudger> rzei: no
[08:40] <ToinS> rzei: no
[08:40] <fatejudger> rzei: well, maybe now that they use Xine
[08:40] <rzei> amarok with xine engine (no other engines available) seems silently skip all those... missing plugin?
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> dontm: I don't understand what you are saying
[08:41] <ToinS> rzei: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php
[08:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn after i upgraded, everythign worked fine.  i restart, my net connection is down
[08:42] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: I'm thinking about formatting and installing Kubuntu 6.06 final
[08:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn ifconfig -a returns eth0 is configured properly and is even pulling the correct ip from my router
[08:42] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: though I doubt that would help much
[08:42] <dontm> h3sp4wn if i run /etc/init.d/networking restart that doesnt help
[08:42] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: the weird thing is it that it used to work -most- of the time
[08:42] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: I don't think it would either
[08:43] <dontm> h3sp4wn if i go to my windows machine which is online and go to my router, i see my linux host pulling an ip from the router via dhcp
[08:43] <dontm> h3sp4wn yet my linux box still cant even ping my router
[08:43] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: but, seemingly randomly, it would hang
[08:43] <dontm> h3sp4wn i dont kow what else to try
[08:43] <h3sp4wn> dontm: Are you using wireless ?
[08:43] <dontm> h3sp4wn no wired
[08:43] <fatejudger> Canonical seriously needs to hire more Kubuntu devels
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> Its primarily a gnome based distribution
[08:44] <jpatrick> fatejudger: why?
[08:44] <dontm> h3sp4wn any ideas?
[08:44] <fatejudger> there aren't enough people to fix major problems like the inability to shut down your computer
[08:44] <rzei> can't find that akode-mpeg in dapper universe... is that package still relevant?
[08:44] <fatejudger> rzei: no, it's deprecated
[08:45] <fatejudger> h3sp4wn: they're working on changing that
[08:45] <ToinS> rzei: you have to put backdor repository on your /etc/source.lits file
[08:45] <OmniD> I'm trying to remember the name of a tuner program
[08:45] <jpatrick> fatejudger, rzei: now known as libakode2-mpeg
[08:45] <rzei> jpatrick: oki..
[08:45] <h3sp4wn> fatejudger: Ati supports dapper (you can use its installer to generate dapper packages) if it doesn't work its ati's problem not kubuntu/ubuntu
[08:46] <fatejudger> most of the work the kubuntu devels do is patching other "supposedly working" programs
[08:47] <fatejudger> just because they're considered stable doesn't mean they'll work in harmony with thousands of other programs
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> That are available in source form not unknown binary blobs that go in the kernel
[08:47] <fatejudger> especially something as critical as a kernel
[08:47] <rzei> hmm noup, after installing libakode2-mpeg and gstreamer0.8-mad (+depedencies) amarok still doesn't play
[08:47] <jpatrick> fatejudger: kernel team does that
[08:47] <crimsun> rzei: dapper?
[08:47] <jpatrick> rzei: restart sound system
[08:48] <fatejudger> jpatrick: right, but apparently this bug doesn't affect Gnome, right?
[08:48] <jpatrick> whatever the bug is
[08:48] <rzei> crimsun: yep
[08:48] <crimsun> rzei: do you have libxine-extracodecs installed?
[08:48] <rzei> crimsun: ofc not.. thanks
[08:48] <crimsun> rzei: and make sure you're using the latest 1.4.0a packages from kubuntu.org :)
[08:49] <fatejudger> all I'm saying is that a major bug like that could have been prevented
[08:49] <rzei> crimsun: cant seem to find that extracodecs package, referene though exists
[08:49] <fatejudger> and part of the problem lies with the lack of devels to complete all that work in the short 6 month timeframe
[08:49] <rzei> crimsun: and i have got dapper universe in package lists
[08:50] <crimsun> rzei: enable the multiverse repository.
[08:51] <rzei> crimsun: okei, thanks
[08:52] <word> What does this error mean - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/750974 ?
[08:53] <h3sp4wn> dontm: What is the output of 'route'
[08:53] <jpatrick> word: X ain't running
[08:53] <word> jpatrick: Umm...wouldn't that mean kubuntu wouldn't start?
[08:54] <eqisow> I would think so, yes
[08:54] <eqisow> when do you get that error?
[08:54] <Healot> the only problem so far with LTS Kubuntu, is i have problem with 8xx Intel Graphics controller
[08:54] <word> Whenever I open an app in terminal
[08:54] <Healot> leaving me a blank screen while installing
[08:54] <word> Kubuntu starts up so I'm assuming X is starting.
[08:55] <eqisow> you get it when you try to run gui apps from terminal?
[08:55] <eqisow> or any app?
[08:55] <word> gui apps not command line ones
[08:56] <eqisow> hmm
[08:56] <rzei> crimsun: umm where could i get those 1.4.0 packages? this amarok says its only 1.3.9
[08:56] <eqisow> try running a gui app with sudo
[08:56] <pestilence> Healot, file a bug
[08:56] <eqisow> just for kicks
[08:57] <dontm> h3sp4wn i dont have axs to the machine right now. im at work. but if u give me a list of things to try i can try when i get home in like 3hrs
[08:57] <rzei> crimsun: aah i need to add more repos
[08:57] <dontm> so just "route" ?
[08:57] <word> eqisow: No difference.
[08:57] <Healot> pestilence: someone already
[08:57] <Healot> did
[08:58] <Healot> it didn't happen in breezy, sigh
[08:58] <pestilence> Healot, ah, ok
[08:58] <h3sp4wn> dontm: I don't know where to begin really in debugging that without getting you to do alot of commands I don't really know which ones would be necessary if dhcp is working I dunno
[08:58] <pestilence> Healot, did you get it installed, then?
[08:58] <Healot> pestilence: i have my workaround
[08:59] <Healot> vga option and blindman's game :-
[08:59] <robin_> pestilence: I didn't work ?
[08:59] <pestilence> robin_, no, i give up.  back to whereami :)
[09:00] <dontm> h3sp4wn is there an online resource?  i mean all the stuff on the wiki is like "ifup and down "  i need something more extensive and better commented
[09:01] <Healot> btw adept is ugly, imho, synaptic is more logical
[09:01] <h3sp4wn> dontm: With wired it usually just works you could try setting a static ip address I suppose (is the router a netgear / linksys or another pc you built before)
[09:01] <dontm> i mean can i make use of general debian network doc?
[09:01] <dontm> it's a netgear router
[09:01] <oklinux> how do I install java in kubuntu ?
[09:01] <robin_> pestilence: hmm ok, too bad it didn't work out
[09:01] <dontm> and the router web interface shows the linux box in the lan ip table
[09:01] <Bladesonfire> !java
[09:01] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:01] <dontm> makes no sense
[09:02] <rzei> err.. why does apt hold back some updates, and doesn't tell me the reason for it?
[09:02] <rzei> it's the amarok 1.4 updates this time
[09:02] <dontm> rzei: manually right click them and select install
[09:02] <Bladesonfire> rzei: what do you mean?
[09:02] <pestilence> robin_, i didn't expect it to ;)  k/ubuntu still has a ways to go before it matches windows in terms of laptop connectivity
[09:02] <pestilence> which is dissapointing
[09:03] <dontm> pestilence couldnt agree more.  sad but true =-(
[09:03] <rzei> Bladesonfire: well that.. there are 3 updates kept back after sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:03] <eqisow> word, are you still there?
[09:03] <dontm> there was SO much hype about dapper on digg and /. and it's like well crap what doesnt work now?
[09:03] <word> eqisow: Yah.
[09:03] <eqisow> from what I can tell, that error usually occurs whenever a user other than the one that is logged in tries to run a gui app
[09:03] <dontm> =-/
[09:04] <rzei> dontm: well adept wanted to upgrade those right away :)
[09:04] <dontm> it's ALMOST there, just needs more polish
[09:04] <eqisow> are you using su (switch user) or anything? Perhaps you have multiple users logged in?
[09:04] <robin_> pestilence: it is, but It worked for me, maybe the problem you encounterd has to do with your router :)
[09:04] <word> eqisow: Nope.
[09:04] <dontm> rzei are you using the graphical update manager?
[09:05] <robin_> pestilence: but well linux is progressing...
[09:05] <rzei> dontm: well i prefer using apt from command line but now adept (the graphical one) solved my problem
[09:05] <pestilence> robin_, i think it might have more to do with my wireless card, but really i don't get enough feedback from knetworkmanager to determine what the problem is
[09:05] <dontm> h3sp4wn the only other thing i can think of is that my kubu install is in a virtual machine
[09:05] <pestilence> robin_, most of the time it hangs at a stage like "configuring network card"
[09:06] <Bladesonfire> pestilence: Just being nosy, but what's your problem?
[09:06] <dontm> but the fact that im pulling an ip and showing up in the router table leads me to believe the vmnet adapters are workign just fine
[09:06] <pestilence> Bladesonfire, well, i tried to use knetworkmanager...couldn't get it to do anything for me
[09:06] <pestilence> Bladesonfire, not wpa, not wep.  didn't try unencrypted, but i gave up
[09:06] <pekuja> my installation crashed :-[
[09:06] <dontm> doest knetworkmanager help correct wired networking problems too?
[09:06] <pestilence> dontm, i don't think so
[09:06] <Bladesonfire> pestilence: did you clear your kon
[09:07] <Bladesonfire> err
[09:07] <pekuja> I'm making a bug report as soon as I get my registration info from launchpad
[09:07] <uwo> hi - where can i find the kicker applet icons?
[09:07] <dontm> sigh man this is so frustrating
[09:07] <pestilence> dontm, what's your issue
[09:07] <h3sp4wn> dontm: Have you tried using NAT instead of bridging (is it vmware you are using)
[09:07] <dontm> h3sp4wn yes
[09:07] <dontm> h3sp4wn tried, bridged, host only, nat
[09:07] <dontm> and after ever change i /etc/init.d/networking restart'ed
[09:07] <pestilence> dontm, so you are getting an IP?  can you ping the gateway?
[09:08] <dontm> still pull 192.168.0.10 and the same reflects in my router table
[09:08] <dontm> nope, cant ping the gateway.  mks no sense at all
[09:08] <pekuja> has there been any other cases of the installer crashing?
[09:08] <pestilence> dontm, so ping 192.168.0.1 fails?
[09:08] <dontm> correct
[09:08] <dontm> times out
[09:08] <pestilence> dontm, hmm.
[09:08] <dontm> pestilence it makes no sense i know
[09:08] <Bladesonfire> pestilence: do you only have an lo in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:08] <pestilence> dontm, how about route -n ?
[09:09] <dontm> havent tried that yet
[09:09] <dontm> i will try that when i get home otnight
[09:09] <pestilence> Bladesonfire, my networking works fine, it's knetworkmanager that doesn't :-D
[09:09] <dontm> also
[09:09] <dontm> what is the command to edit the network/interface file?
[09:09] <Bladesonfire> pestilence: Well, networkmanager has problems if there's more text in /etc/network/interfaces than needs be
[09:09] <dontm> i tried kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces but it didnt work
[09:09] <pestilence> Bladesonfire, oh.
[09:09] <Bladesonfire> pestilence: plus, it doesn't like static ip addresses
[09:10] <Bladesonfire> (although I don't know if there's been an update since to fix that problem)
[09:10] <Bladesonfire> I use networkmanager as well, and I can connect at home that's encrypted with WPA, but at work, I can't get on the network at all
[09:10] <h3sp4wn> networkmanager just doesn't work properly (constantly polls the network for just the reason of a signal strength meter which is pointless)
[09:10] <pussfeller> yar my console is messed up
[09:10] <pussfeller> i cant see the bottom in my vts
[09:10] <Bladesonfire> Even though it's also using WPA... something's throwing it off, though
[09:11] <meta> !easysource
[09:11] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:11] <pestilence> Bladesonfire, well, i think i've seen enough of it to know that i am less frustrated with whereami :)
[09:11] <Bladesonfire> h3sp4wn: this may be off, but I believe it's always pulling in case the network goes down, and if so, then it'll switch the network so you stay connected
[09:11] <dontm> hrm...just googled man route
[09:11] <pussfeller> and my nvidia card isnt working after the upgrade so i cant see to type anything
[09:11] <Bladesonfire> hehe
[09:11] <dontm> route -n is to diag why route to dns failed
[09:11] <dontm> that's the least of my problems, i cant even ping my gateway's raw ip form
[09:11] <pestilence> although i haven't really tried wpa at all.  that is my next step
[09:12] <pestilence> dontm, not route to dns, routing period
[09:12] <pestilence> dontm, if your routing tables are messed up, ping won't work either
[09:12] <dontm> show numerical addresses instead of trying to determine symbolic host names. This is useful if you are trying to determine why the route to your nameserver has vanished.
[09:12] <dontm> pestilence ok suppose i run this and my routing talbes are fubared.  what do i do then?
[09:12] <pestilence> dontm, right.  but you are getting confused ;)
[09:13] <pestilence> dontm, well, you try to fix them of course!
[09:13] <dontm> how?
[09:13] <pestilence> dontm, well, your routing table really should be set by dhcp.  so i'm guessing there might be an extra line in there that's messing things up
[09:13] <pestilence> dontm, so you would delete that line
[09:13] <dontm> for example?
[09:14] <pestilence> dontm, but if your interfaces are configured properly in /etc/network/interfaces, you should be able to just reboot (assuming nothing else touches the routing tables, and i can't think of anything that would)
[09:14] <dontm> pestilence how do i mod that?
[09:14] <pestilence> dontm, how do you mod what
[09:14] <dontm> kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces?
[09:14] <pestilence> dontm, that should work
[09:15] <dontm> when i issue that command i get a blank file
[09:15] <dontm> =-(
[09:15] <dontm> maybe that's my problem right there
[09:15] <pestilence> dontm, hmm...shouldn't be.
[09:15] <Healot> what's with the girl's name jeje
[09:15] <pestilence> dontm, so are you at this computer right now?
[09:15] <dontm> nope it's a vm on my home pc, im at work right now
[09:15] <dontm> just making sure i didnt overlook anything
[09:16] <pestilence> dontm, well then:)
[09:16] <dontm> but it seems that i didnt
[09:16] <dontm> i mean seriously, if it turns out taht my routing tables are messed up.  something is seriously wrong w/ the dist-upgrade command
[09:16] <dontm> i mean, that is ridiculous
[09:16] <dontm> it's crap like this that turns ppl off about linux
[09:16] <pestilence> dontm, so this was a dist-upgrade on a vm from breezy to dapper?
[09:16] <dontm> yes
[09:17] <dontm> breezy worked fine
[09:17] <pestilence> strange.
[09:17] <dontm> dapper worked fine
[09:17] <saj> hi guys, im trying to install the cedega time demo but when i download it i am greeted with a page with a lot of code on it? http://download.softpedia.com/linux/games/cedega_timedemo_installer
[09:17] <dontm> UNTIL I rebooted
[09:17] <saj> how do i install from that code?
[09:17] <pestilence> dontm, hmm.  were you running a firewall of any sort?
[09:17] <dontm> pestilence i followed the wiki verbatim
[09:17] <Bladesonfire> dontm: what happens when you open a console and "ls /etc/network/in*" ?
[09:17] <dontm> Bladesonfire i will also try that tonight
[09:18] <dontm> i'm writing all these commands down
[09:18] <pussfeller> 777777so how do i fix my console????
[09:18] <dontm> i see where ur going tho, good idea
[09:18] <pestilence> pussfeller, ?
[09:18] <dontm> verify my interface file is in the right place and contains the right info
[09:18] <pussfeller> my console is too big for my screen
[09:18] <pussfeller> i cant see the bottom, so i am typing by touch
[09:18] <pestilence> pussfeller, on your vt's?
[09:18] <pussfeller> yea
[09:19] <dontm> Bladesonfire can u think of anything else to try as well?
[09:20] <Bladesonfire> Well, ls just gives you a directory listing
[09:20] <pestilence> pussfeller, so is it just the last line that's cut off?
[09:20] <dontm> lol i know what ls does
[09:20] <pussfeller> and im getting some error abuot lib perl xml something stopping me from doing any more apt-ggetting
[09:20] <Bladesonfire> So if that comes up blank, that means the file doesn't exist... and who knows how that happened
[09:20] <pussfeller> kinda pestilane
[09:20] <pestilence> pussfeller, that's probably a refresh quirk...adjust it using the OSD of the monitor
 verify my interface file is in the right place and contains the right info
[09:20] <Bladesonfire> There's really no other commands you need
[09:21] <dontm> heh =-] 
[09:21] <pestilence> pussfeller, what is the exact error
[09:21] <Bladesonfire> But if it is there, I wonder what's wrong with your "kdesu kate /etc/network/interaces/" command =P
[09:21] <dontm> hehe yeah ill dbl check for typos
[09:21] <dontm> alright that's a start
[09:21] <dontm> thanks guys
[09:21] <dontm> (and gals maybe i dont know)
[09:21] <dontm> tahnks folks
[09:21] <dontm> happy belated dapper day
[09:22] <saj> !cvs
[09:22] <pussfeller> heh that workd
[09:22] <pussfeller> durp
[09:23] <pussfeller> its something about libxml perl cant write to something about SAX pparser details in
[09:23] <pussfeller> in usr share perl5/xml sax.pm
[09:24] <pestilence> pussfeller, can you copy/paste the entire error into the pastebin
[09:25] <pussfeller> hmm i can cat into irssi cant i somehow
[09:26] <pestilence> don't do that.
[09:26] <alexandre> why the pt-br packages are missing fro the repositories?
[09:27] <alexandre> why the pt-br packages are missing from the repositories? (language support)
[09:27] <pussfeller> pestilence, i am stuck in vts coause nvidia isnt set up and I dont know how to get teh error into here
[09:27] <saj> how do you compile cvs?
[09:27] <saj> whats a cvs?
[09:28] <pestilence> pussfeller, you could always use w3m
[09:28] <alexandre> does anybody know why pt-br is missing ?
[09:29] <koriel> why can't I play divx movies with xine?
[09:29] <Healot> alexandre: no...
[09:29] <koriel> what should I install to play those files?
[09:29] <Bazzi> koriel libxine-extracodecs
[09:30] <Bladesonfire> !restrictedformats
[09:30] <ubotu> somebody said restrictedformats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:30] <koriel> Bazzi: from where?my repositories cant find this package
[09:31] <saj> !cedega
[09:31] <ubotu> saj: Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:31] <Bazzi> multiverse
[09:31] <Bazzi> !+restrictedformats
[09:31] <ubotu> rumour has it, restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[09:32] <nico8481> hi
[09:32] <pussfeller> how do i get apt errors into a file
[09:32] <koriel> Bazzi: can u paste me the url because I don't have it in adept
[09:33] <Bazzi> koriel: follow the link ubotu posted
[09:33] <koriel> ok
[09:33] <pestilence> pussfeller, apt-get command > outfile 2>&1
[09:33] <Blake7984> just went through the fakeraid guide on setting up ubuntu and i got it to boot, but i never did "base-config new" since base-config is no long included....how would i go about logging in now (since no usernames were added)
[09:34] <pestilence> Blake7984,  boot into rescue mode
[09:34] <Blake7984> how do i do that
[09:34] <pestilence> should be one of the options when you reboot
[09:35] <Blake7984> without livecd?
[09:35] <pestilence> "recovery mode" is what its called, actually
[09:35] <pestilence> yes, it will likely be the second option in grub
[09:35] <Blake7984> nope...installer wasnt used to install kubuntu...so grub setup was manual
[09:35] <Bladesonfire> or 4th... or sometimes 6th....
[09:36] <Blake7984> theres a "Ubuntu, memtest86+"  but thats it
[09:36] <pestilence> Blake7984, ok
[09:36] <pussfeller> !pastebin
[09:36] <pussfeller> !pastebin
[09:36] <pestilence> basically
[09:36] <pestilence> you want to append "single" to the boot command
[09:36] <pestilence> on mine, it is kernel    /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-23-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro single
[09:37] <Blake7984> alright sounds good, one sec
[09:37] <Blake7984> ok once that finishes booting what should i do
[09:37] <pestilence> add a user ;)
[09:37] <Blake7984> nm i see..it took me in as root :)
[09:38] <pestilence> yup.
[09:38] <Blake7984> ok after that and changing root pass...anything else i should do before rebooting?
[09:38] <saj> !cvs
[09:38] <ubotu> hmm... cvs is the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[09:38] <pestilence> i would add a user, not change the root password
[09:38] <Blake7984> i did both
[09:38] <pestilence> ok
[09:38] <pestilence> that's fine, then.  reboot
[09:39] <pestilence> sudo won't work, of course, unless you visudo and add that user to it
[09:39] <tommy_> do anyone here know what error status 10 means?
[09:40] <Blake7984> never used visudo before...how do i add my user account to it
[09:40] <koriel> hmmm, I'm starting to like kubuntu :)
[09:40] <Blake7984> just do:   blake   ALL=(ALL) ALL    ?
[09:41] <Healot> super sudo blake@
[09:41] <Blake7984> i just add that anywhere in the file?
[09:42] <Blake7984> hm i guess not since that doesnt work
[09:43] <eean> Riddell: ping
[09:44] <pussfeller> pestilence: its on gnomefreak.pastebin.com
[09:44] <fatejudger> !fglrx
[09:44] <ubotu> well, fglrx is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:45] <Riddell> eean: hi
[09:45] <Seantater_> anyone used ktorrent 2.0? is it any good?
[09:46] <eean> Riddell: have you looked at the .desktop thing that will be in 1.4.1?
[09:46] <eean> for systems without mp3s
[09:46] <pussfeller> but nvidia stuff appears to be current, so I don't know why my xserver wont start
[09:46] <eean> (in amarok of course)
[09:46] <pussfeller> !nvidia
[09:46] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[09:46] <tuxedup> the seantater for me ktorrent seems to be alot heavier on resources then other bit torrent clients
[09:47] <Riddell> eean: nope
[09:47] <Seantater_> tuxedup: what do you use?
[09:47] <Riddell> eean: oh, to install mp3 support?
[09:47] <eean> Riddell: right exactly
[09:47] <Riddell> eean: I asked them to do it, I've not looked at the progress but I'll make sure to look out for it when the beta is being packaged
[09:48] <eean> ok
[09:48] <tuxedup> usually bit tornado, i used to liek azeurus, but i cannot be doing with installing java (have no need for it) so i stick with bit tornado, its pretty basic but i dont dont do anything fancy, just let it run seed for a few days the file thats it
[09:48] <_rince_> good evening ladies and gentlemen
[09:48] <meister> nobend
[09:50] <Blake7984> uhm been a while since i messed with grub much....what do i have to do to make it use the menu.lst file after i update it
[09:52] <Healot> Blake7984: nothing, grub will automatically use the menu.lst settings after reboot
[09:52] <Blake7984> well its not for me
[09:52] <mbjerke> I never ever ever want the system pc speaker to beep.  ever.  On gentoo and archlinux I just removed the speaker kernel module, do I have to recompile the ubuntu kernel to make this a module?
[09:53] <Blake7984> every time i reboot it still uses old settings and i have to keep manually changing the lines in grub
[09:53] <pussfeller> i thot you had to install beep to get beeps
[09:53] <mbjerke> i didn't
[09:53] <mbjerke> and it is the most annoying sound in the world
[09:53] <Healot> Blake7984: because you edit it without the correct permission?
[09:53] <Blake7984> no the file is correctly saved right now
[09:53] <Blake7984> the data in the file is right
[09:54] <Blake7984> or maybe not...hold on
[09:54] <joshuafr> hi all
[09:54] <Healot> what "settings" did you change?
[09:54] <Blake7984> root, kernel, initrd...basically all of them
[09:54] <RobNyc> does kubuntu has any kde themes, or icon themes in the repository ?
[09:54] <Healot> you need root permission to save changes to menu.lst
[09:55] <Blake7984> i know, it saved....just in the wrong place on it or something...it went back and added new entries to replace my old ones it looks like
[09:55] <Healot> it's suppose to be in "/boot/grub/"
[09:55] <Blake7984> thats where it is...my lines were on the top of the file, correct, and still are...but now theres new lines at the bottom
[09:56] <Healot> Blake7984:  pastebin, so we can share whatever you did
[09:56] <joshuafr> I have a problem with kaffeine, I can't find the gstreamer engine for it :-(
[09:56] <Blake7984> cant...machine im doing it on isnt on internet yet...just a few though, might be figuring it out
[09:57] <Healot> joshuafr: you need to get rid of caffeine L)
[09:57] <Blake7984> theres also a menu.lst~ now for some reason
[09:57] <joshuafr> Healot: ?
[09:57] <Healot> Blake7984: the backup file, if you use nano or kate kwrite etc
[09:57] <Blake7984> oh ok
[09:58] <Healot> joshuafr: mp3 problem i guess?
[09:59] <keherman> Are there any labels for the Dapper CDs?
[09:59] <joshuafr> Healot: yes, and I can't view any xvid/divx files, they go to quickly
[09:59] <keherman> joshuafr, use vlc
[10:00] <Healot> joshuafr: there are some tips at kubuntu.org
[10:00] <joshuafr> keherman: why not totem when you are :-)
[10:00] <Healot> just open the FAQ section/ wiki too
[10:00] <DustyDingo> hi
[10:00] <DustyDingo> where can i set my network card to a startic IP for lan? (file)
[10:00] <Healot> well, vlc solves most of thou MPEG1/2/3 and OpenAVI bs
[10:01] <Bladesonfire> /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <DustyDingo> sounds weird, but i can't find anything in the docs for that
[10:01] <Bladesonfire> Make sure you're not running network-manager with that
[10:01] <Healot> DustyDingo: /etc/network/interfaces man for "interfaces" for more details
[10:01] <keherman> joshuafr, vlc is the best media player available
[10:01] <DustyDingo> Healot: thx, i must be blind
[10:02] <Bladesonfire> GUI: just go to System Settings
[10:02] <Bladesonfire> Probably a lot easier
[10:02] <DustyDingo> whole the time i was searching for any init files
[10:02] <Healot> well, Windows is still the best for multimedia bs
[10:02] <Healot> but Linux support getting better too
[10:03] <HymnToLife> Healot> Linux works great for pretty much everything
[10:03] <HymnToLife> exept DRM crap
[10:03] <Healot> then not everything :-)
[10:04] <pestilence> Healot, i would say linux works WAY better for anything other than DRM crap
[10:04] <pestilence> mplayer will play pretty much anything you give it
[10:04] <fatejudger> !sources.list
[10:04] <Blake7984> why is "Administrator mode" not working for any of the system settings (network, display, etc)
[10:04] <RobNyc> is it possible to do this.. i installed ubuntu dapper, installed kubuntu-desktop now decide i dont want gnome anymore .. and stay with kde
[10:05] <Healot> the user experience on Linux is rather challenging
[10:05] <osh_> RobNyc: yes, but gnome is notoriously hard to get rid of. But do try.
[10:05] <Bladesonfire> Blake7984: good question... one of the problems I"ve never been able to pinpoint the problem
[10:06] <Blake7984> lets hope a reboot helps...need to test this grub menu file anyways
[10:07] <DustyDingo> Healot: how i can rerun the runlevel scripts, so eth0 gets updated with my changes in /etc/network/interfaces
[10:07] <DustyDingo> ?
[10:09] <pussfeller> ok i have x working but whyisnt my usb hd showing up on the desktop now
[10:10] <crimsun> DustyDingo: what did you change?
[10:11] <Healot> just run the networking script
[10:11] <DaSkreech> Can't beleive I have to keep windows around to go to Foxtrot :(
[10:11] <Healot> invoke-rc.d networking restart
[10:11] <Bladesonfire> Only Foxtrot?
[10:12] <DustyDingo> crimsun: i simplay want to rerun runlevel 3
[10:18] <pestilence> DustyDingo, you should be able to do init 1 and then init 3, but re-running individual scripts will be faster
[10:18] <pestilence> and more efficient
[10:19] <DustyDingo> pestilence: hm and how i do that?
[10:19] <pestilence> although i don't know if init works in ubuntu
[10:19] <Healot> invoke-rc.d networking restart
[10:19] <pestilence> DustyDingo, "sudo init 1"
[10:19] <Blake7984> ok so since i was using fakeraid, i wasnt able to do the normal install process...and i really havent done much of an install at all, other than making my machine boot....network isnt working, sound not working, and other stuff...how do i properly set things up now
[10:19] <Healot> prefix "sudo"
[10:19] <pestilence> DustyDingo, but i would do as Healot says, rerun any scripts you want in /etc/init.d
[10:19] <DustyDingo> Healot: thx
[10:20] <mus_dur> hello
[10:20] <pestilence> Blake7984, do you want a desktop?
[10:20] <Blake7984> yea
[10:20] <mus_dur> how can i install to xgl
[10:20] <pestilence> Blake7984, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[10:20] <Blake7984> primarily desktop anyways
[10:20] <Blake7984> already did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[10:20] <pestilence> ok, so what's the problem :)
[10:20] <Blake7984> im booted, im in kde and all
[10:20] <pestilence> oh
[10:20] <Blake7984> stuff isnt setup properly
[10:21] <|lostbyte|> whats LTS ?
[10:21] <pestilence> !lts
[10:21] <|lostbyte|> its it the full version ?
[10:21] <ubotu> I guess lts is Long Term Support. LTS versions will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[10:21] <mus_dur> i didnt work this command sudo apt-get install compiz xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa xserver-xorg libglitz-glx1 compiz-gnome
[10:21] <Healot> Blake7984: what stuff, explain briefly
[10:21] <Blake7984> wont let me adjust system settings (administrator mode isnt working), network cards not working, sound not working
[10:21] <Blake7984> all of that stuff worked when booting livecd no problem
[10:21] <DustyDingo> lately i only used gentoo and in general had no much time for computing at all, so kbuntu is a bit strange for me ;)
[10:21] <pestilence> Blake7984, that's because sudo isn't set up properly
[10:21] <pestilence> Blake7984, you have root, right?  do a "su"
[10:21] <Healot> Blake7984: installed from a desktop CD eh?
[10:21] <pussfeller> my usb drives arent showing up
[10:21] <pestilence> Blake7984, then do "visudo"
[10:22] <|lostbyte|> pestilence: lts, i know. but its it how kubuntu releases its stable version ?
[10:22] <Blake7984> pestilence did that yea
[10:22] <DustyDingo> first of all, i thought, i must get along with apt, but networking kept me for one houre :)
[10:22] <mus_dur> can you help me any man abour xgl
[10:22] <mus_dur> about
[10:22] <pussfeller> and my kuicklaunch icons are oversized :(
[10:22] <pestilence> Blake7984, do you have this:
[10:22] <pestilence> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:22] <Blake7984> and i added:   blake  ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:22] <Blake7984> oh ok
[10:22] <pestilence> oh ok
[10:22] <mus_dur> i didnt this command
[10:22] <pestilence> that works too
[10:22] <mus_dur> sudo apt-get install compiz xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa xserver-xorg libglitz-glx1 compiz-gnome
[10:22] <pestilence> so does sudo work now?
[10:22] <Healot> |lostbyte|: the same as ubuntu, remember kubuntu isn't a ubuntu fork
[10:23] <Blake7984> "Conversation with su failed."
[10:23] <mus_dur> are you thereeeee
[10:23] <mus_dur> i didnt install to compiz
[10:23] <mus_dur> this command didnt work
[10:23] <mus_dur> sudo apt-get install compiz xserver-xgl libgl1-mesa xserver-xorg libglitz-glx1 compiz-gnome
[10:23] <pestilence> !tell mus_dur about repositories
[10:24] <mus_dur> it is original repositories
[10:24] <pestilence> Blake7984, su tells you that?  or sudo?
[10:24] <mus_dur> i didnt change any pestilence
[10:24] <pestilence> mus_dur, enable universe
[10:24] <pestilence> those instructions i sent you tell you how
[10:25] <alexandre> why the language suporte is GONE from the repository:
[10:25] <Blake7984> well if i do something like:   sudo dmraid -r    it works, but when i try system settings stuff it tells me the above error after i enter my pass
[10:25] <mus_dur> pestilence thank you
[10:25] <alexandre>  why the language suporte is GONE from the repository:
[10:25] <|lostbyte|> Healot: :) ook
[10:26] <DustyDingo> hm, wow ubuntu is so wonderful, especialy the standard settings
[10:26] <mluser-work> How does one start wpa-supplicant?
[10:26] <alexandre> does anybody knows why the language suporte is GONE from the repository
[10:26] <DustyDingo> it sets eth0 to send a dhcp request
[10:26] <david_> i'm find dapper a bit of a liability
[10:26] <pussfeller> pestilence:  Cannot write to /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.d/XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser: No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/XML/SAX.pm line 234.
[10:26] <pussfeller> is the error
[10:26] <DustyDingo> and hell, it got an ip,
[10:26] <Healot> alexandre: read the Release Note
[10:26] <alexandre> why the language suporte is GONE from the repository
[10:26] <pestilence> pussfeller, ok...
[10:27] <DustyDingo> i haven't the slightest idear where in my LAN a dhcp server is running :)
[10:27] <Healot> or it hasn't completed yet
[10:27] <pestilence> pussfeller, is this a catsrophic error?
[10:27] <david_> i nearly had to wipe the entire drive
[10:27] <Healot> DustyDingo: record the IP address of that DHCP server, by the way it should be in the same subnet
[10:28] <pussfeller> pestilence: it seems to be blocking alot of stuff
[10:28] <pestilence> Blake7984, try running kdesu from a command line, see what it tells you there
[10:28] <pestilence> pussfeller, what if you do apt-get install -f
[10:28] <pussfeller> pestilence: thats what I have been running
[10:28] <Blake7984> kdesu: no command specified.
[10:29] <pestilence> Blake7984, so specify one :)
[10:29] <pestilence> pussfeller, what about apt-get remove libxml-sax-perl
[10:29] <Blake7984> "Su reeturned with an error" in a message box
[10:29] <pestilence> do you see the error in the command window
[10:30] <pestilence> pussfeller, or apt-get install --reinstall libxml-sax-perl
[10:30] <Blake7984> its failing to open a couple uninitialized input devices, but that seems (somewhat) normal and unrelated for now
[10:30] <Blake7984> but other than that, no error in command window
[10:30] <pestilence> yea i get that too
[10:30] <pussfeller> Cannot write to /etc/perl/XML/SAX/ParserDetails.ini: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 105.
[10:31] <pussfeller> hmm
[10:31] <pussfeller> i always hated perl for some reason
[10:31] <pestilence> pussfeller, you got that when doing which command, the remove or the reinstall
[10:31] <pussfeller> the removal
[10:31] <pestilence> pussfeller, did it finish, though?
[10:32] <pussfeller> pestilence: no, it exited with error
[10:32] <pestilence> pussfeller, do things depend on this library?
[10:32] <pestilence> that you need
[10:33] <pussfeller> pestilence: well, i guess not, now apt-get -f install says everything is done
[10:33] <pestilence> k :)
[10:33] <pussfeller> its not installed, but I can live without rythmbox
[10:33] <pestilence> well, whatever the problem was, it should be fixable
[10:34] <pestilence> i would use amarok, if i were you :)
[10:34] <pussfeller> but now, I need to find out why my usv drives dont show up
[10:34] <pussfeller> oh for sure, i have an svn of that
[10:34] <ubuntu> hi, trying kubuntu dapper. is it possible for out to use symbolic names for my usb devices instead of  sda1 or sdb1 (which shift around)?
[10:34] <robotgeek> hmm, i had a link. moment
[10:34] <david_> what firewall does dapper have?
[10:35] <Blake7984> pestilence so any idea on why this sudo stuff aint working?
[10:35] <kubuntu-newbie> oh, geez, does kubuntu make me write my own udev rules?
[10:35] <joch> david_: iptables, like all linux distributions
[10:35] <david_> thats a pointless answer
[10:36] <pestilence> Blake7984, no clue.  if sudo works, i would think kdesu should work too...but that's why your configuration isn't working.  you have three options as i see it
[10:36] <pestilence> Blake7984, fix kdesu
[10:36] <pestilence> Blake7984, configure things manually, which is not so bad
[10:36] <pestilence> Blake7984, or run the kde configuration utilities from the command line with sudo
[10:36] <robotgeek> ubuntu: sorry, could not find it. sorry
[10:36] <alexandre> why the language suporte is GONE from the repository
[10:36] <Blake7984> i like option #3 for now...then option #1 later
[10:36] <pussfeller> there is firestarter for one, i think
[10:36] <Blake7984> how do i find out the names of those system settings commands
[10:36] <alexandre> I didnt find anytihng about it on the release note
[10:36] <Blake7984> like display, network, etc
[10:37] <david_> not in the dapper repo
[10:37] <pussfeller> i let my router protect me from the RIAA
[10:37] <pestilence> Blake7984, doesn't it tell you when it asks for your password?
[10:37] <david_> shorewall is a pain
[10:37] <pestilence> i think people like firestarter.  but i use rc.firewall.
[10:38] <Blake7984> well now its not asking for password...just goes straight to "Su returned with an error."
[10:38] <Blake7984> and on that screen, no
why the language suporte is GONE from the repository
[10:38] <pestilence> Blake7984, you need to clear the sudo cache
why the language suporte is GONE from the repository
[10:38] <pussfeller> david_: i used to use something called arno's script which is a bash script that seemed to work well
[10:38] <pussfeller> if you can find it on google
[10:39] <pestilence> Blake7984, sudo -k
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> just start by turning on masquarading and blocking everything
[10:39] <Blake7984> ok logged out and back in..fixed that...but no, doesnt tell me name of app
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> then only enable what you absolutely need
[10:39] <Blake7984> just says "Run as root - KDE su"  "Please enter your password."
[10:39] <nrg88> hi, KDE Wallet always asks for a passord after login
[10:39] <david_> I've been using linux for about 6 years and I can't be bothered with files, guarddog was brilliant
why the language suporte is GONE from the repository. It for portuguese lenguage
[10:39] <nrg88> how can i disable that?
why the language suporte is GONE from the repository. It for portuguese language
[10:39] <nrg88> can i configure kopete not to use kde wallet?
[10:40] <david_> yes u can
[10:40] <alexandre> why the language suporte is GONE from the repository. It for portuguese language
[10:40] <pussfeller> you can also tell kdewallet not to ask either
[10:40] <pestilence> alexandre, please don't repeat yourself so often.  nobody knows.  everybody here speaks one language.  english
[10:40] <nrg88> david_: can u tell me how please?
[10:40] <jbirdAngel> can i install kubuntu without a cd/dvd as i dont htink i have a spare blank one
[10:41] <pussfeller> heh
[10:41] <david_> when u first use a program it asks and warns, say no and wallet does not keep u from being hacked
[10:41] <nrg88> ok, thanks
[10:41] <pestilence> Blake7984, you could run kcontrol under sudo...but i don't think that's the best idea
[10:41] <iNiku> wow, kde 3.5.3 starts a lot faster
but today in the morning the packages were there
[10:41] <nrg88> yeah iNikum its great :)
[10:42] <pestilence> alexandre, what package are you looking for
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> alexandre: Try running sudo aptitude dist-upgrade && sudo locale-gen (accept any packages to be removed I think the language stuff has been rearranged recently)
[10:42] <alexandre> openoffice-pt-br
[10:42] <amy___> help, i dont know how to use kopete
[10:42] <alexandre> aspell-pt-br
[10:42] <alexandre> and so on
[10:42] <david_> what is it amy
[10:42] <amy___> it will ask for password and
[10:43] <david_> amy this is computers be very precise
[10:43] <pestilence> alexandre, do you mean openoffice.org-l10n-pt-br
[10:43] <amy___> i enter correct one but it will say username is invalid
[10:43] <jbirdAngel> is kde 3.5.3 what is on the kubuntu i just downloaded?
[10:43] <david_> amy this is computers be very precise
Yes... this one
[10:43] <pestilence> alexandre, it's still there
[10:43] <david_> no 5.2
[10:43] <pestilence> alexandre, i guess you might also want language-pack-kde-pt-base
[10:43] <alexandre> So why my adept cant find it:
[10:43] <pestilence> alexandre, or maybe language-support-pt
[10:44] <Blake7984> pestilence it wont let me anyways
[10:44] <pestilence> Blake7984, strange
[10:44] <pestilence> it lets me :)
no language....kde is there in adept
[10:44] <pestilence> although i used kdesu
[10:44] <Blake7984> if i su, then do kcontrol...gives me some errors.....if i do sudo kcontrol as my username, it just returns and does nothing
[10:45] <pestilence> alexandre, dunno what to tell you, it's in the main repository.  did you try apt-get update?
[10:45] <iNiku> hmm. how do I get kde to start opera with aoss when it restores my session after login?
[10:45] <pestilence> Blake7984, yea.  probably doesn't work under regular sudo.  and under su it needs to have a way to get back to the X server
[10:45] <Blake7984> any easy way to make it get back to X server?
[10:45] <pestilence> iNiku, log out with opera open
yes I did
[10:45] <david_> startx
[10:46] <pestilence> Blake7984, before typing su, type xhost +
[10:46] <iNiku> pestilence: it does restore opera but not with aoss
[10:46] <pestilence> after typing su type export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
[10:46] <pestilence> iNiku, dunno then
[10:46] <jbirdAngel> david_: okay thanks
Your adept is showing it for you:
[10:46] <iNiku> pestilence: I mean, my opera button is set up to start "/usr/bin/aoss /usr/bin/opera" and that works
[10:46] <jbirdAngel> can i install kubuntu without a cd/dvd as i dont htink i have a spare blank one
[10:46] <iNiku> but when I log out and in again, opera gets started without aoss
[10:46] <pestilence> alexandre, i don't use adept, but it's definitely showing in my repository database
[10:47] <pestilence> iNiku, oh...
[10:47] <Blake7984> pestilence failed differently...but still failed
witch one do you use:
[10:47] <david_> kubuntu dapper is a live cd which u can use to install with, thats about it really
[10:47] <pestilence> alexandre, deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[10:47] <jbirdAngel> david_: okay thank you
[10:47] <pestilence> i use aptitude
[10:47] <squilla> !karma
[10:47] <ubotu> squilla has neutral karma
[10:48] <iNiku> pestilence: same problem if I point the opera button to a script that does "aoss opera"... works when I start it manually but when kde restores it after login, no aoss
[10:48] <squilla> !network
[10:48] <ubotu> This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together.
[10:48] <david_> opera is crap
[10:48] <pestilence> iNiku, you need to put something in .kde/Autostart
[10:48] <pestilence> iNiku, google should help
[10:48] <Blake7984> ok any suggestions on fixing kdesu then? cause no other options are gonna work too easily it seems
[10:48] <iNiku> pestilence: umm... how would that help?
[10:48] <squilla> !dapper
[10:48] <ubotu> DAPPER IS OUT! PARTY TIME! https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-June/000083.html
[10:48] <david_> use the command line
[10:49] <nico_> any idea why the "compress" option suddenly disappeared from the right-click contextual menu in konqueror here?
[10:49] <pestilence> iNiku, google "kde autostart".  you need to put a file in .kde/Autostart that runs your command.  it's pretty simple
[10:49] <nico_> i just used it 10 minutes ago...
[10:49] <pussfeller> more like trauma time ubotu
[10:50] <david_> i think dapper is well beta, hey its free
[10:50] <pestilence> Blake7984, i wonder if kdesu is getting confused by the fact that you have set a root password?  i don't know.
[10:50] <pussfeller> its great, im just kidding, this was relatively painless
[10:50] <iNiku> pestilence: that would work but I don't think it's a good solution. kde should restore apps with the same command they were started with
[10:51] <pestilence> iNiku, file a bug
[10:51] <david_> breezy was a breeze to install, I really wish I had waited a few months
 I am really having a problem here even aptitude culdn find the package
 how can I test if repository is OK.
[10:52] <pestilence> alexandre, run kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure the entry i pasted is in there, then run apt-get update
[10:52] <iNiku> pestilence: and besides, I doubt it will work right. kde will restore apps before running autostart stuff so I'll still get opera without aoss
[10:52] <pestilence> iNiku, so log out with opera closed, it will remove that autostart
[10:53] <iNiku> pestilence: I don't want to have to close my stuff before logout, that's what session save and restore are for
[10:53] <pestilence> iNiku, you only have to do it once, is it that difficult?
[10:53] <pestilence> oh
[10:53] <iNiku> pestilence: um, how's that? the next time I log out with opera running, it will get restored on login again
[10:53] <pestilence> right
[10:54] <pestilence> see, i don't have these problems, i just suspend to ram :)
[10:54] <iNiku> I don't like the aoss stuff to begin with but it's the only way to get sound working sensibly :/
[10:54] <iNiku> hehe, me too, I avoid logging out and shutting down as much as I can :)
[10:54] <iNiku> but it would be nice if things actually worked like you'd expect them to
[10:56] <visik7> anyone using kphone with voipstunt ?
[10:56] <iNiku> pestilence: the session save/restore stuff works great apart from the aoss problem
[10:57] <iNiku> of course I could get really ugly and add what aoss does right into /usr/bin/opera, it's a script after all
[10:57] <Memorice> hey
[10:57] <iNiku> but, geez...
[10:57] <iNiku> there's got to be a nicer way to do it
[10:58] <Memorice> I'm trying to install kubuntu, but during the installation I got a black screen
[10:58] <Memorice> can anyone help me (I'm a noob with linux)
[10:58] <david_> Memorice: u are going have to be very precise
[10:59] <david_> like was the computer on, thats a black screen
[10:59] <Memorice> I booted a kubuntu cd (release 6.06)
[11:00] <Memorice> kubuntu was loading lots of things and said OK to everything
[11:00] <Memorice> and after a few minutes I got a black screen
[11:00] <david_> go back, so u didn't get a blank screen at first, when did the blank screen happen
[11:00] <Memorice> but I can go to a console (ctrl+alt+f1)
[11:01] <Memorice> I didn't get a black screen at first
[11:01] <david_> you get a console on a blank screen?
[11:03] <Memorice> I got a black screen, but when I tried ctrl+alt+f1 I got a console
[11:03] <david_> how did u install, from a download u burned to cd
[11:04] <Memorice> yes
[11:04] <Memorice> and I've checked the cd
[11:04] <david_> right, so start at the beginning and go through each stage
[11:04] <Memorice> ok, I'll start again :P
[11:05] <david_> did the live cd bring up kde as normal?
[11:05] <ubuntu> I think that's where his screen is going blank.
[11:05] <Memorice> don't know, never worked with linux before
[11:06] <Memorice> it loads the drivers and then the screen turns black
[11:06] <david_> ok, u put the cd in, set the pc to boot from cd and all you got was a blank screen, thats it?
[11:06] <Memorice> no
[11:07] <iNiku> actually, I wonder how many things will break if I just set LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libaoss.so globally
[11:07] <david_> ur an arty type stick to paint
[11:07] <Memorice> first I saw kubuntu was loading the kernel (and probably drivers too)
[11:07] <Memorice> it said OK to everything
[11:07] <ubuntu> Then it goes blank.
[11:08] <Memorice> and after a few minutes the screen was black and it didn't change anymore
[11:08] <ubuntu> I had the same problem with Knoppix live cd.
[11:08] <david_> do it again, go to the console and type startx and see what happens
[11:08] <Memorice> ok
[11:10] <Blake7984-> ok...can someone explain why i have only one menu.lst on my machine...its in /boot/grub/.....it has no entry at all about windows in it...yet when i boot, the stuff grub shows has nothing at all to do with the menu.lst file
[11:10] <david_> same for me, and if u do df -h I have no idea what half that stuff is
[11:11] <Blake7984-> hmmm im starting to ebt this has something to do with my raid
[11:12] <ubuntu> Memorice, start Kubuntu in safe graphics mode.
[11:13] <david_> its a live cd, it could be it can't find a driver for you pc graphics card that drives the screen
[11:13] <Memorice> I try to start kubuntu in VGA mode now
[11:13] <Memorice> pc graphics card is ATI RADEON X700
[11:13] <david_> poor you
[11:14] <ubuntu> Memorice, start Kubuntu in safe graphics mode.
[11:14] <MidMark> how to change default soundcard?
[11:14] <Memorice> next boot if this doesn't work
[11:14] <MidMark> I have webcam and soundcard
[11:14] <david_> even apple had a problem with that bugger
[11:14] <MidMark> I cannot head nothing
[11:15] <david_> try the ball
[11:16] <fatejudger> !samba
[11:16] <ubotu> [samba]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[11:19] <Davidosky> Hi all, i'm looking for help with Smb4k
[11:22] <Davidosky> !Smb4k
[11:22] <ubotu> I don't know, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Davidosky
[11:25] <jr_> how on earth do I get a finnish KDE? I seem to lack the language packs, apt-get won't find them....
[11:25] <domi> jihaire< ?
[11:25] <Cainsie> how on earth do i get ndiswrapper to work>>
[11:25] <jr_> it finds kde-i18n-fi but it needs language-pack-kde-fi which cannot be found, then it hits some breaking dependencies on the screen....
[11:26] <Bazzi> is there no kde-i18n-fi jr_?
[11:26] <Bazzi> ooo
[11:26] <Bazzi> sounds bad
[11:26] <jr_> I was wondering, could it be that the reposities don't contain it yet? but I thought the translations were ready
[11:26] <jr_> can you find it?
[11:26] <Riddell> kde-i18n-fi is there, as is language-pack-kde-fi
[11:27] <jr_> Riddell: in which reposity?
[11:28] <MidMark> kscd works for you?
[11:28] <domi> do you think I should do a clean reinstall of dapper ? I am using the beta version since 5 months
[11:28] <Riddell> jr_: in main, do you have internet repositories enabled?
[11:28] <MidMark> mine kscd has no sound out
[11:29] <david_> LTS is still far from finished, kubuntu is great so I would if i were you
[11:29] <jr_> riddell, yes I guess so...but how do I make it sure?
[11:29] <FooBz> hi
[11:30] <FooBz> Has anyone got it running on TravelMate 8100
[11:30] <FooBz> right now, the live cd is a pita
[11:30] <david_> sometimes the udev permissions are not set right for sound
[11:30] <FooBz> can't do anything with it
[11:30] <FooBz> it fails miserably detecting the hardware
[11:30] <Cainsie> can someone takev me through using ndiswrapper:(
[11:30] <Riddell> jr_: look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:31] <CaBlGuY> Howdy peeps...   Im in Dapper..
[11:31] <MidMark> jr_ and Riddell: probably affected by cd/dvd bug too
[11:31] <CaBlGuY> :-D
[11:31] <MidMark> and also languages bug
[11:31] <DaSkreech> Does anyone have the kalimoto ogg?
[11:32] <MidMark> no language installed and no dvd in sources, so no language to choose in the language chooser
[11:32] <Davidosky> Guys how i can open a 3gp file?
[11:32] <david_> what's that?
[11:32] <MidMark> jr_: make a 'sudo apt-cdrom add' and back to language chooser
[11:33] <MidMark> jr_: make it sure to put the cd or dvd into reader
[11:33] <MidMark> jr_: before making sudo....
[11:33] <david_> convert the 3gp file to avi or mpeg
[11:34] <MidMark> All: kscd works for you? For me nope...
[11:34] <Davidosky> ok thx david
[11:34] <jr_> ok thanks
[11:36] <CaBlGuY> ok, I need some help in installin my video drivers..
[11:36] <CaBlGuY> or..
[11:36] <CaBlGuY> !nvidia
[11:36] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[11:36] <CaBlGuY> nvmd..
[11:36] <CaBlGuY> :p
[11:37] <Random_Transit> hey, can anyone recommend a good GUI based video conversion program?
[11:38] <Cainsie> !ndiswrapper
[11:38] <ubotu> somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper
[11:38] <Memorice> ubuntu are you still there?
[11:39] <Random_Transit> hey, can anyone recommend a good GUI based video conversion program?
[11:40] <Cainsie> !install ndiswrapper
[11:40] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Cainsie
[11:41] <matsavhalev> Random_Transit: maybe avidemux
[11:41] <Random_Transit> is that in the repositories?
[11:41] <CaBlGuY> so ummm   I need to install nvida-glx right??
[11:41] <ShastaMaroon> Is dapper now the production release?
[11:41] <K|NgGh0sT> ShastaMaroon: /topic
[11:41] <matsavhalev> in one of them -   my apt cache shows avidemux - a small editing software for avi (especially DivX)
[11:41] <CaBlGuY> ShastaMaroon:  yep..
[11:41] <ShastaMaroon> ah yes, look at that
[11:42] <mluser-work> Does anyone know how to start the wpa_supplicant daemon in ubuntu?
[11:42] <Random_Transit> what repo, matsavhalev?
[11:42] <CaBlGuY> and dapper is very nice. It only took like 20 minutes to install and most everything is automated at this point..
[11:42] <matsavhalev> Random_Transit: havent tried it, i have universe and multiverse on so it may be one of those
[11:43] <Random_Transit> hmm
[11:43] <matsavhalev> Random_transit: Universe according to apt-get
[11:43] <[Relic] > will I encounter major problems if I install dapper to a new HD install all the stuff I have running currently and just copy over the /home dir from 5.10?  just wondering if there is an easy shortcut instead of resetting everything
[11:43] <matsavhalev> Random_transit : sorry mean multiverse
[11:43] <matsavhalev> Random_Transit: my mistake
[11:44] <[Relic] > want to switch out HDs sicne this one has been running quite a while
[11:44] <CaBlGuY> ok, what drivers I need for Nvida Geforce 5500 card..
[11:44] <K|NgGh0sT> [Relic] : Why dont you just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:44] <K|NgGh0sT> CaBlGuY: apt-get install nvidia-glx
[11:44] <CaBlGuY> *FX 5500  that is
[11:44] <CaBlGuY> OK..
[11:45] <[Relic] > K|NgGh0sT, want to switch out HDs sicne this one has been running quite a while
[11:45] <K|NgGh0sT> I have a harddrive that has been running for the last twenty years
[11:45] <K|NgGh0sT> Dont worry bout it heh
[11:45] <[Relic] > I like having an extra backup  :)
[11:45] <K|NgGh0sT> Raid them then
[11:46] <MrObvious> Hi. I'm not on my KUbuntu system right now but I wanted to know if the package bcm43xx-fwcutter comes on the CD
[11:46] <[Relic] > case is too small to put more than one in
[11:46] <K|NgGh0sT> boourns
[11:46] <MrObvious> Can someone check?
[11:46] <K|NgGh0sT> Go get a new case :D
[11:46] <[Relic] > these are old honking server drives full 5.25s   :)
[11:46] <[Relic] > they should burn out in another 104 years if I read the manual correctly  :)
[11:47] <K|NgGh0sT> I have room for so many drives, makes me sad so I have to keep buying new ones so I dont feel like I am wasting space
[11:47] <nnn0> :D
[11:47] <[Relic] > I got enough room for an extra dozen 3.5", but insufficient funds for a pack of bubble gum  :)
[11:47] <nnn0> you never get enough drives :)
[11:48] <Cainsie> how do i work ndeiswrapper plz?
[11:48] <Cainsie> * -e
[11:48] <K|NgGh0sT> [Relic] : start whoring yourself out!
[11:48] <[Relic] > I refuse to work for m$  :)
[11:48] <K|NgGh0sT> osh_: That was easy then
[11:48] <[Relic] > and quite pointless :)
[11:48] <osh_> K|NgGh0sT: easy... but weird.
[11:49] <K|NgGh0sT> He gave you money no?
[11:49] <K|NgGh0sT> Then why is it weird :D
[11:49] <CaBlGuY> k brb
[11:49] <iNiku> raid0 or concat? :)
[11:49] <Memorice> I've a problem by installing kubuntu 6.06
[11:49] <Memorice> When I boot from cd, I see:
[11:49] <iNiku> if the latter, not pointless at all...
[11:49] <Memorice> loading essential drivers  OK
[11:49] <Memorice> mount root file system     OK
[11:49] <Memorice> moving mount points        OK
[11:49] <Memorice> etc..
[11:49] <Memorice> But after a few minutes my screen becomes black and stays black
[11:49] <Memorice> I can go to a console by ctrl+alt+f1, but I don't know what to do now
[11:49] <Memorice> Booting in safe mode doesn't gives any problem, my graphics card is: ATI RADEON X700
[11:49] <Memorice> More specifications about my notebook: Acer Aspire 1692 WLMI
[11:49] <K|NgGh0sT> Memorice: use a pastebin
[11:49] <osh_> iNiku: raid0.
[11:49] <Memorice> ?
[11:50] <iNiku> osh_: okay. that is rather pointless :)
[11:50] <Memorice> can anyone help me?
[11:50] <iNiku> osh_: did he want it for performance? :)
[11:50] <nnn0> Memorice, try booting with:  linux acpi=off nohotplug
[11:51] <K|NgGh0sT> I'm tired of all these people saying Raid0 is pointless because its so easily crashable, f that s, I've been running raid0 for 5 years not one issue
[11:51] <linuxmonkey> Hey guys im having issues with installing the nvidia drivers
[11:51] <K|NgGh0sT> linuxmonkey: what's up?
[11:51] <Memorice> ok
[11:51] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: of course there's no issue as long as none of the drives in your raid0 set break
[11:51] <osh_> iNiku: I think he wanted it because he read somewhere that raid was good. Sometime higher-ups are weird.
[11:51] <linuxmonkey> well considering the version in adept is built for a different kernel and all
[11:51] <K|NgGh0sT> iNiku: of course, but everyone thinks as soon as you do Raid0 its going to fail easily
[11:51] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: but when one does, you're screwed
[11:52] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: well, a raid0 over 3 drivers is 3 times more likely to break than a single drive
[11:52] <iNiku> drives*
[11:52] <dontm> question is kubuntu the same thing as installing ubuntu and then installing the kubuntu desktop?
[11:52] <MrObvious> linuxmonkey: Kernel version doesn't matter if you grab the kernel headers.
[11:52] <osh_> dontm: yes
[11:52] <K|NgGh0sT> iNiku: of course, but still the whole stigma is that it's so unstable there is no point
[11:52] <nnn0> Memorice, if that don't work try:  linux noapic nolapic
[11:52] <MrObvious> Hi. I'm not on my KUbuntu system right now but I wanted to know if the package bcm43xx-fwcutter comes on the CD
[11:52] <MrObvious> Can someone check?
[11:52] <K|NgGh0sT> When in reality, it is quite stable
[11:53] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: I don't think anyone is saying it's not stable. what people are saying is that it's not safe, and that's the truth.
[11:53] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: it's fine if you need speed but don't care about the data, though
[11:53] <linuxmonkey> when i run the sudo nvidia-glx-config enable it gives me an error
[11:53] <K|NgGh0sT> iNiku: Come to my school, my profs hate Raid0
[11:53] <dontm> whoa whoa why?
[11:53] <dontm> why do ur profs hate raid0?!
[11:53] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: I would never use raid0 for anything important
[11:54] <K|NgGh0sT> Cause they are retarded
[11:54] <iNiku> raid0+1, sure
[11:54] <dontm> lack of redundacy?
[11:54] <iNiku> but never plain raid0
[11:54] <MrObvious> linuxmonkey: ... what is it?
[11:54] <K|NgGh0sT> iNiku: obviously
[11:54] <iNiku> it's asking for trouble.
[11:54] <dontm> well yeah
[11:54] <dontm> raid0 is not for important things
[11:54] <Memorice> when I press F6
[11:54] <dontm> it's for performance
[11:54] <osh_> MrObvious: I don't have it on my machine so it's not there by default. I don't have a cd so I can't help you with that.
[11:54] <dontm> heh
[11:54] <K|NgGh0sT> iNiku: But, as a fileserver I really dont care, fits my needs, nothing important on there
[11:54] <MrObvious> osh_: Thanks.
[11:54] <dontm> i use raid0 on my windows machine that i dont care about reinstalling from a nLite cd
[11:54] <Memorice> I see something like: preceed/file=/cdrom/preseed/Kubuntu.seed boot=casper ...
[11:54] <iNiku> K|NgGh0sT: sure, then it may well be the best choice
[11:54] <dontm> and i keep my data on a raid1
[11:54] <Memorice> en dit ends with --
[11:55] <linuxmonkey> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/754407
[11:55] <Memorice> where should I type linux acpi=off nohotplug
[11:55] <Memorice> ?
[11:55] <K|NgGh0sT> Memorice: when you start the bootup
[11:55] <K|NgGh0sT> When it goes Linux:
[11:55] <K|NgGh0sT> type that in
[11:55] <dontm> kubuntu ?= ubuntu + install kubuntu-desktop
[11:55] <Memorice> when I boot
[11:55] <osh_> I don't hate raid0. It has some uses. Raid1 has other uses. Even raid3 has some (albeit limitid) uses.
[11:55] <Memorice> I can choose Start or install Kubuntu
[11:55] <iNiku> kubuntu = ubuntu + kubuntu_desktop - ubuntu_desktop
[11:55] <Memorice> do I need to do that first?
[11:56] <dontm> iNiku it's that simple?
[11:56] <linuxmonkey> MrObvious: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/754407
[11:56] <dontm> are there bundled apps or any other configs?
[11:56] <iNiku> dontm: basically, yeah. you can install ubuntu-desktop on kubuntu to get the gnome desktop and apps
[11:56] <K|NgGh0sT> Argh, why are people using that god forsakken LiveDisc installer
[11:56] <iNiku> or you can install kubuntu-desktop to get the kde desktop and apps
[11:56] <dontm> iNiku ok cool thanks
[11:57] <linuxmonkey> K|NgGh0sT: im thinking that is what caused my issue
[11:57] <iNiku> install kubuntu-desktop on ubuntu, that is
[11:57] <yamal> finally... it's installed.
[11:57] <K|NgGh0sT> linuxmonkey: what does apt-get install nvidia-glx do?
[11:57] <iNiku> dontm: you'll get a different bootup splash and login screen but that's about it
[11:57] <linuxmonkey> installs
[11:57] <Memorice> K|NgGh0sT: should I first chose Start or install Kubuntu?
[11:58] <Memorice> before I can type linux acpi=off nohotplug anywhere?
[11:58] <iNiku> dontm: and the login screen (ie. display manager) is easily changed. dunno about the splash picture.
[11:58] <linuxmonkey> then when i try to run  sudo nvidia-glx-config enable I get http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/754407
[11:58] <K|NgGh0sT> Memorice: hell if I know, i start away from GUI intalls
[11:58] <Memorice> :(
[11:58] <K|NgGh0sT> Why are you running nvidia-glx-config?
[11:58] <iNiku> osh_: out of curiosity, where/why would you prefer raid3 over raid5?
[11:58] <nnn0> Memorice, when you boot from the cd you should get the option to use boot parameters
[11:59] <K|NgGh0sT> linuxmonkey: one sec
[11:59] <linuxmonkey> cause A) thats what it tells me to do, B) how I did it before on other versions and C) the evil monkey mademe do it
[11:59] <K|NgGh0sT> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:59] <K|NgGh0sT> do that
[12:00] <K|NgGh0sT> select nvidia instead of nv
[12:00] <nnn0> Memorice, after where it says boot:
[12:01] <nnn0> Memorice, you should also be able to press F1 for more options
[12:04] <bastian> how can I fix networking to not load correctly? dhcp only works after a manual sudo ifdown eth0 + ifup eth0
[12:04] <james_xxx> in kubuntu dapper with KDE 3.5.3 my screen saver is no longer working, would anyone have an idea why? instead of going to the screensaver, the monitor just goes off. it is configured to go into power saving mode after 30 min