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| kbrooks | ping :-) | 12:10 |
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| LaserJock | ping who? | 12:10 |
| kbrooks | LaserJock: | 12:10 |
| kbrooks | can i talk about easyubuntu iin here for a quick moment, mdke? | 12:11 |
| LaserJock | it's a lot quiter in here than #ubuntu ;-) | 12:12 |
| mdke | kbrooks: is it related to documentation? | 12:12 |
| kbrooks | LaserJock: #easyubuntu | 12:12 |
| mdke | that sounds more sensible | 12:13 |
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| jsgotangco | GOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD MORNIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGGG DOCCCCCCCCC TEAAAAAMMMMMMMM | 12:57 |
| mdke | morning there | 12:57 |
| mdke | in a good mood eh? | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | its actually 7am | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | hey jsgotangco | 12:58 |
| Burgwork | I am question to ask you, but now I forgot it | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | hmm?? | 12:59 |
| jsgotangco | would scrollback help? | 12:59 |
| jsgotangco | i still have an hour to spare before i do some real work | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | nope | 12:59 |
| jsgotangco | hmm.. | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | reading scrollback, if mdke doesn't mind ditching is profession, he'd sure make a good employee for canonical | 01:00 |
| mdke | this is the difficulty | 01:01 |
| mdke | I'd have to move profession, what would my new profession be? | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | doc writer? | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 01:01 |
| Burgwork | Documentation Team Manager | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | JaneW just resigned just in case you didn't know | 01:01 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: shame about that. is she ok? | 01:02 |
| jsgotangco | she has a blog about it | 01:02 |
| mdke | url? | 01:02 |
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| jsgotangco | although it would be expected that you do more for sure (and probably have more than 1 team role) | 01:03 |
| mdke | well, I'd like to do something with locoteams. But I mean, what would my long term profession be? If I left them, what would I do | 01:04 |
| jsgotangco | http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/so-im-leaving-not-getting-on-jet-plane.html | 01:05 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: yeah, that's the dilemna | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | well, whatever it was you could get away with INAL ;-) | 01:05 |
| LaserJock | IANAL I mean | 01:05 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 01:05 |
| mdke | so sounds like Mr JaneW is going to be getting involved maybe | 01:08 |
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| LaserJock | yeah, I thought that was interesting | 01:08 |
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| mdke | uhoh | 01:09 |
| mdke | the beginning of the end | 01:09 |
| jsgotangco | hrmm | 01:10 |
| jsgotangco | who is bill baker? | 01:10 |
| Burgwork | no idea | 01:10 |
| Burgwork | but he apparently works for Canonical | 01:10 |
| Burgwork | Bill Baker, Baker Communications Group, LLC (for OpenVZ) 860-350-9100 | 01:11 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 01:11 |
| Burgwork | appears to do corporate communications for several Open Source and technologies groups/companies | 01:12 |
| jsgotangco | wow good thing the orange text in the website got ditched | 01:12 |
| jsgotangco | i almost fainted when i saw it | 01:12 |
| mdke | wasn't so bad, I don't think | 01:12 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | *it was* | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | it ate 1/4 of the browser space | 01:13 |
| mdke | a little big maybe | 01:13 |
| mdke | the same could be said of the cheesy images :) | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | mdke: is the help.u.c wiki going to be the community docs tab | 01:17 |
| jsgotangco | yeah i love the support guy image its sooo generic | 01:18 |
| jsgotangco | it fits the bill exactly for a typical call center agent here | 01:18 |
| mdke | LaserJock: that's the idea yeah | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | k | 01:19 |
| mdke | Karl didn't have time to do the move today, hopefully he'll do it tomorrow | 01:20 |
| mdke | so who is doing the SoC stuff, was it JaneW before? | 01:25 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 01:31 |
| jsgotangco | im not sure who's going to handle it after | 01:31 |
| mdke | bummer | 01:33 |
| jsgotangco | she ain't going to paris either | 01:33 |
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| Madpilot | hi LaserJock | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | hi Madpilot | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | how's the job going? | 02:36 |
| Madpilot | Jobs are (both) going OK. Computer isn't... | 02:36 |
| LaserJock | you've got 2 jobs? | 02:37 |
| Madpilot | dist-upgrade to Dapper has f*cked the thing up | 02:37 |
| Madpilot | yeah, one part-time and one basically casual | 02:37 |
| LaserJock | hehe, that's why I dist-upgraded in Dec. | 02:37 |
| Madpilot | heh. I had a few issues going from Hoary->Breezy, but Breezy-Dapper has broken damn near everything. | 02:38 |
| Madpilot | No internet, no sound, no auto-mounting of CDs - all stuff that works flawlessly before | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | dang | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | did you use the update manager? | 02:38 |
| Madpilot | I'm using a Xubuntu LiveCD right now | 02:38 |
| Madpilot | yeah, the shiny new GUI thing | 02:38 |
| Madpilot | the trouble seems to be the k7 kernel | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | really | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | I end up just using -386 just cause I don't want to mess with it | 02:41 |
| Madpilot | possibly, although Corey has very similar hardware, the k7 kernel, and has no trouble from Dapper | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | weird | 02:41 |
| Madpilot | and I ran all the Dapper Flight LiveCDs up to Beta, all with no trouble... | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | double weird | 02:42 |
| Madpilot | yeah. | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | Burgwork: you around? | 02:43 |
| Madpilot | thankfully, all my partitions are all intact - no data lost | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the livecd ate mine | 02:43 |
| Madpilot | installing off the LiveCD? Ouch. | 02:46 |
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| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | anybody know a Vaan? | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | hey Madpilot, back up? | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: does everybody get a "major contact" when they register at userful.com? | 02:48 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: nope, still fucked. No sound card either, and I tried both the Dapper & Breezy kernels I've got installed | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: wht do you mean? | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: you might have to reinstall | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | we seperated your /home, no? | 02:49 |
| Madpilot | yes | 02:49 |
| Madpilot | nice seperate partition, thank Dog. | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: I got an email from somebody today saying that they would be my "major contact" and asked if I had any questions :-) | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: whom? | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | Jay Lee | 02:50 |
| Burgundavia | ah, yes, Jay | 02:50 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: you a librarian? | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | I just thought it was interesting | 02:50 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: no, just did some work for Userful | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: librarian? i worked a summer in the uni library. I'm a chemist | 02:51 |
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| Madpilot | just wondering, given that Userful only does library work so far | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | that summer I did work at the uni library I was the technology person | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: ah, I didn't know that. I just did a little freelancing ;-) | 02:52 |
| Burgundavia | the fruits of which should be seen soon | 02:53 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: "Userfulbuntu"? | 02:53 |
| Burgundavia | not quite | 02:54 |
| crimsun | it's only cool if it has ponies! | 02:54 |
| Burgundavia | it might have a few | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | no lots! or else my daughter would scream | 02:55 |
| === LaserJock still doesn't get the ponies thing | ||
| jsgotangco | she has been brainwashed by ubuntu already | 02:55 |
| Burgundavia | bloody hell! I sell the ponies. I don't make them | 02:55 |
| crimsun | tehehe | 02:55 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: ok, this might help: http://cyclotram.blogspot.com/2006/05/omg-ponies-lol.html | 02:56 |
| Lathiat | mdke: am now :) | 02:57 |
| crimsun | or if you happened across /. on april fools | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | I did see the /. on april fools | 02:57 |
| crimsun | or if you know about young girls and their ponies, like in charlie and the chocolate factory | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | ah, see I grew up with mostly boys | 02:58 |
| LaserJock | not a lot of girls around my house | 02:58 |
| Madpilot | "a demented, post-apocalyptic My Little Pony." - from crimsun's article... :) | 03:00 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia: could you pull down the Dapper install ISO & burn it for me? | 03:04 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: yep, can do | 03:04 |
| Madpilot | thanks. even with 1Gb of RAM, I'm not sure that pulling down an entire ISO is wise while I'm stuck on a LiveCD :P | 03:05 |
| crimsun | oh geez. | 03:05 |
| crimsun | POE::Knee is a homophone of "Pony". We all like ponies. And wouldn't we | 03:05 |
| crimsun | love to race ponies? Well, that's what Acme::POE::Knee is for! | 03:05 |
| crimsun | (libacme-poe-knee-perl) | 03:05 |
| Madpilot | crimsun: please tell me you're joking about those file names... ;) | 03:05 |
| Burgundavia | anybody got an rsync line for the latest dapper? | 03:07 |
| LaserJock | Lathiat: you are totally missing time zones I guess | 03:08 |
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| Lathiat | LaserJock: yeh | 03:29 |
| Lathiat | LaserJock: mdke messaged me at 5:01am | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | :) | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | i was faastt asleep :) | 03:30 |
| Lathiat | mdke: perhaps you could email me instead :) | 03:30 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=%22apt-get+install%22&fullsearch=Text <-- 489 results | 04:09 |
| Burgundavia | I am depressed | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | hmm, quite a few of those are translated pages it seems | 04:14 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I didn't get any for "aptitude install" | 04:16 |
| Burgundavia | I assume you did text? | 04:17 |
| LaserJock | oh heck, I accidently did title | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | stupid me | 04:18 |
| Burgundavia | yep, hence why I asked | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | I got 33 | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | personally I'm getting sick of wiki.u.c | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | there is waaaay too much stuff and much of it is crap | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | I guess it is better to have to much than to little, to some extent | 04:21 |
| Burgundavia | there are a lot of topic to cover | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | I guess it is mostly the huge range of quality and randomness that gets me | 04:24 |
| Madpilot | the duplication is fun too - when you realize that a single topic has three seperate & conflicting howtos... | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | you really have to have teams that look after subject areas or something | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | I redirect yet another broadcom howto and the author emailed me | 04:27 |
| Burgundavia | he said "uhh, where is my stuff? | 04:27 |
| LaserJock | and you said, "in the darkest reaches of hell"? | 04:27 |
| crimsun | we really need a "zomg ponies" page. | 04:28 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun: do it! | 04:28 |
| crimsun | "sorry, but your page has been found wanting. Please see zomgPonies instead." | 04:28 |
| LaserJock | lol | 04:28 |
| Madpilot | it would have to be "ZomgPonies" to get the wiki's CamelCase working ;) | 04:31 |
| LaserJock | man, XP sucks when it comes to printing | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | yep | 04:33 |
| Burgundavia | no cups ipp support, afaics | 04:33 |
| LaserJock | it doesn't have a lot for drivers either | 04:34 |
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| LaserJock | crimsun: you running opera right now? | 07:20 |
| === robotgeek has been using epiphany without significant issues now, even likes it | ||
| crimsun | LaserJock: nope, IE, the horror | 07:22 |
| robotgeek | the ietab firefox extension is cool | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: dang, I just went to help.ubuntu.com/6.06 and the tabs are all messsed up | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | but that is in XP | 07:23 |
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| LaserJock | I know, I know | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | I gotta get this thing resized and dualbooting before Paris | 07:24 |
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| onkarshinde | rob: there? | 07:46 |
| onkarshinde | I wanted to discuss some changes to RestrictedFormats wiki page. Is anybody interested? | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | onkarshinde: you should email the ubuntu-doc mailing list | 07:51 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: ? | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | will help.ubuntu.com get updated to reflect the doc.ubuntu.com docs? | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: the move has not yet been done | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | hmm it means we're actually moving servers? | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | or just redirecting? | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | no, the content has not yet been moved | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | would be nice to have at least the page changed for now, it still has breezy docs, but it can wait i guess | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | which page | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 09:00 |
| jsgotangco | help.ubuntu.com | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, tired, I am not following you | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | better speak to mdke | 09:01 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: http://help.ubuntu.com still shows 5.10 docs in HTML and our dapper start pages refer to it | 09:02 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: not much I can do, I'm afraid | 09:02 |
| jsgotangco | its not a big issue, i just noticed it | 09:03 |
| mdke | I don't want to put up the 6.06 docs because they have the community tab which points at the non-existent wiki | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | why not remove the tab for now? | 09:03 |
| mdke | karl should be doing the move today, then it will be sorted | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | crap idea? | 09:03 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 09:03 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: because that would mean rebuilding all the docs, it would take me a while | 09:04 |
| jsgotangco | no worries like i said, its not a big issue | 09:04 |
| mdke | you're right though, I just don't have time, and hopefully it will be sorted today | 09:04 |
| bhuvan | mdke: i wish to print ubuntu t.shirts and distribute it locally. should i get permission from someone to do this ? | 09:08 |
| mdke | awesome | 09:08 |
| jsgotangco | you will have to ask silbs about it though | 09:09 |
| mdke | bhuvan: I don't think you need permission, but it wouldn't hurt to ask anyway, just in case. Also, Simira has done this before, maybe she can help with the templates | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | or marilize | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | but i don't think its really an issue | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | we printed a hundred shirts down south before | 09:10 |
| bhuvan | jsgotangco, cool! | 09:10 |
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| bhuvan | mdke, i am looking into Arwork/Official wiki page and got a logo (UbuntuStrapLogo.eps) | 09:11 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: got a link to the -newsletter logo? | 09:11 |
| === bhuvan is just googling for the same :) | ||
| jsgotangco | look for the ubuntu-newsletter LP team | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | its really really tiny and mgalvin as the original | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | but since we now have 4 ditributions it was natural to make a frankenstein logo out of it | 09:13 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | looks like all four logos, one in each quarter of a circle? | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | yeah with the mouse | 09:15 |
| jsgotangco | don't forget the mouse! | 09:15 |
| Madpilot | I'm running Xubuntu right now, I haven't forgotten the mouse :) | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | err where is the xubuntu iso in se.releases? | 09:20 |
| === jsgotangco couldn't find it | ||
| Madpilot | no idea, I'm running a Xubuntu Beta2 LiveCD - dist-upgrade to Dapper borked my main install :| | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: xubuntu has not been rolled yet, due to an LTSP bug | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | I thought LTSP was mostly an Edubuntu thing? | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | yep, but due to asking, Xubuntu is going to have LTSP as an option on the install cd | 09:24 |
| Madpilot | cool | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | that was what broke | 09:24 |
| Madpilot | makes sense for the older hardware a lot of schools (even in wealthy countries) have around | 09:24 |
| highvoltage | Madpilot: edubuntu is probably it's most relevant use atm | 09:24 |
| highvoltage | Madpilot: but it's important across the range, Xubuntu also now has an LTSP automated install | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | xubuntu has been released :) | 09:25 |
| jsgotangco | where? | 09:25 |
| highvoltage | just a sec (me opens release announcement) | 09:25 |
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| robitaille | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06/release/ | 09:26 |
| robitaille | according to the announcement | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | cheers | 09:26 |
| === jsgotangco is catching up on ISOs for tomorrow's get together | ||
| highvoltage | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-June/000084.html | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | there's this small tea house that will get raided by 50+ people in brown shirts tomorrow | 09:27 |
| highvoltage | please take photos/videos :) | 09:28 |
| robitaille | and I'm sure these 50+ people will be speaking a very strange language, with all sort of strange code words like dapper and edgy :) | 09:29 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: dress code for your event is "wear brown"? Shouldn't orange be acceptable too, for Dapper? | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | i plan to go in my best looking MSDN jacket | 09:30 |
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| onkarshinde | What is mailing list for documentation? | 10:57 |
| pygi | ubuntu-doc | 10:57 |
| onkarshinde | I don't find it on this page http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists | 10:57 |
| pygi | lists.ubuntu.com | 10:59 |
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| glatzor | ping jsgotangco | 12:16 |
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| glatzor | ping mdke | 12:22 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | glatzor: pong (im almost out though) | 12:33 |
| glatzor | jsgotangco: then go to bad. :) I've got problems with the build system, since I want to test my translation of the desktop guide | 12:34 |
| glatzor | bed | 12:34 |
| glatzor | /home/sebi/Desktop/%C3%9Cbersetzung/ubuntu/desktop-guide/desktopguide-de/getting-started.xml:311: parser error : Entity 'users-groups' not defined | 12:34 |
| glatzor | application>Users And Groups</application> application located in &users-groups; | 12:34 |
| mdke | glatzor: you shouldn't have any entitites, they are stripped out when building the pot file | 12:50 |
| mdke | check the pot file, that string isn't in there | 12:52 |
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| glatzor | mdke: hi, the entities are not in the pot file, that is right. but xml2po doesn't merge my translations of the corresponding message that include a link | 02:01 |
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| mdke | Burgwork: can you avoid moderating the email from me in the queue for ubuntu-doc... I didn't send it so I'm curious as to how it got there. | 02:51 |
| mdke | Burgwork: i'm gonna ask elmo or someone | 02:51 |
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| Laser_away | mdke: ping? | 04:11 |
| mdke | Laser_away: pong | 04:12 |
| Laser_away | mdke: I checked out help.u.c/6.06 last night with opera on XP and it had some issues, did you know about that? | 04:13 |
| lastnode_ | how do you include an image in the wiki? | 04:13 |
| lastnode_ | syntax i mean? | 04:13 |
| mdke | lastnode_: HelpOnActions/AttachFile | 04:14 |
| lastnode_ | thanks mdke | 04:14 |
| mdke | lastnode_: what are you working on out of interest? | 04:14 |
| lastnode_ | mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam , im trying to flesh out our activities in order to seek approval at the next Community Council meeting | 04:15 |
| lastnode_ | we're having a DRP :) | 04:15 |
| mdke | cool | 04:15 |
| mdke | DRP? | 04:15 |
| mdke | ah | 04:15 |
| mdke | ic | 04:15 |
| mdke | nice script | 04:15 |
| lastnode_ | mdke, script? | 04:16 |
| mdke | script as in writing characters | 04:17 |
| lastnode | ah | 04:17 |
| lastnode | you see it? | 04:17 |
| lastnode | nice, it's sinhala | 04:17 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:17 |
| lastnode | im just trying to upload a beta logo :) | 04:18 |
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| mdke | lastnode: whoops, I didn't reply. No, I didn't know about any issues | 04:35 |
| mdke | argh | 04:35 |
| mdke | Laser_away: ^^ | 04:35 |
| lastnode | :) | 04:37 |
| lastnode | mdke needs a break from the screen, i think | 04:37 |
| === lastnode uses jedi mind tricks | ||
| lastnode | a break will you take | 04:38 |
| lastnode | brb | 04:38 |
| mdke | hehe | 04:38 |
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| LaserJock | lastnode: he doesn't need a break, he needs to get to work ;-) | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | mdke: are you interested in opera problems at all? | 04:49 |
| mdke | LaserJock: is it a gap between the tabs and the page? | 04:50 |
| === jsgotangco doesn't like opera | ||
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: but did it work with gdebi? | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | mdke: the tabs were all on the left and the tops of them had white | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: it was Opera for XP ;-) | 04:50 |
| jsgotangco | wooooo | 04:50 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: I haven't tried gdebi yet | 04:50 |
| === jsgotangco gives LaserJock the edubuntu smackdown | ||
| LaserJock | hehe | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | I did try the Edubunt livecd on that laptop though | 04:51 |
| mdke | LaserJock: Madpilot reported problems with all Ubuntu websites with opera. Was this just with ours? | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't remember seeing it on www.u.c | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | but I just hit a couple sites to see what it looked like | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | well in epiphany the ubuntu website's tabs doesn't jive well either | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | I'm at school now so I'll get Opera for OS X and see what it does | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | mdke: it is a different issue with help.u.c/6.06 than www.u.c with opera | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | mdke: help.u.c looks fine in OS X opera except the tabs are on the left instead of right side | 05:01 |
| mdke | LaserJock: if you have a fix... Otherwise I think I will leave it | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | you sound like a dev ;-) | 05:04 |
| mdke | you shouldn't be using these crazy browsers with crazy OSes | 05:04 |
| jsgotangco | that's right | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: never argue with a lawyer :/ | 05:05 |
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| LaserJock | hehe | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | well, I just thought I would test it out | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | next stop, lynx :-) | 05:06 |
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| jsgotangco | hey while you're at it, please install amaya as well an old version of mosaic :D | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | heh, lynx has saved my bacon more than once | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | they need to make a CLI browser that actually does the layout and graphics with ASCII art :-) | 05:09 |
| jsgotangco | heh yeah like those geeky mplayer plugins that convert the movie to ascii | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | those are sooo cool | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | i installed skype and gdebi took care of the deps awesome | 05:11 |
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| LaserJock | I have to say that gdebi could really change third party packaging | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | oh my gosh!! no wonder he has karma to the moon | 05:21 |
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| jjesse | who? | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | seb128 | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/people/seb128/+assignedbugs | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | https://launchpad.net/people/seb128/+subscribedbugs | 05:21 |
| lastnode | mdke, ping | 05:22 |
| mdke | lastnode: yeah | 05:23 |
| lastnode | mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam , the logo, is it a trademark violation? it just occured to me | 05:23 |
| lastnode | i just looked at the Indian guys and thought id go for it | 05:23 |
| lastnode | didn't really strike me | 05:23 |
| mdke | oh by the way | 05:24 |
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| mdke | hope you're not a cricket fan :p | 05:24 |
| lastnode | mdke, i was a fanatic, but after we pwned the world in 1996 | 05:25 |
| lastnode | i stopped watching | 05:25 |
| lastnode | what more is there for a little island to do ;-) | 05:25 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| jjesse | cricket that's like baseball right ? :) | 05:25 |
| mdke | a bit | 05:25 |
| lastnode | jjesse, baseball is cricket's illegitimate son | 05:25 |
| mdke | lastnode: see the trademark page on the website, if in doubt email them to ask | 05:25 |
| jjesse | grin i'm being sarcastic i know what cricket is | 05:25 |
| lastnode | :) | 05:26 |
| lastnode | jjesse++ | 05:26 |
| lastnode | mdke, should i pull the image till then? | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | people still play cricket? I thought that was phased out years ago, like rugby ;-) | 05:27 |
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| lastnode_ | ye gods! i have a karma of 16. can someone tell me how that happens? | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | what was it? | 05:31 |
| lastnode_ | 0 | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 05:31 |
| lastnode_ | dont people have to give you karma? | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | no | 05:32 |
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| LaserJock | on your LP page there should be a link on the left that says Karma | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | karma is your activity | 05:32 |
| lastnode_ | oh i see | 05:32 |
| mdke | lastnode: nah | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | so you must have done something :-) | 05:33 |
| === lastnode_ has translated a little over the past few days | ||
| lastnode_ | it's slow work because technical terms are really hard to turn in to english | 05:33 |
| lastnode_ | 05:33 | |
| lastnode_ | i just spelt my name | 05:33 |
| lastnode_ | but even that's wrong | 05:33 |
| jjesse | wow | 05:33 |
| lastnode_ | the last letter is a bastardized version | 05:33 |
| jjesse | what language? | 05:33 |
| lastnode_ | it should be mahaNgu | 05:33 |
| lastnode_ | jjesse, Sinhala | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | how does my name look in that? | 05:34 |
| lastnode_ | what's your name? | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | jerome | 05:35 |
| lastnode_ | 05:35 | |
| lastnode_ | there is a font problem there | 05:35 |
| lastnode_ | if you noticed | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:35 |
| lastnode_ | >:( | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | i notice it | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't make any sense to me though, it still looksl ike a bunch of small circles, sorry for that | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | its neat though =) | 05:36 |
| lastnode | jsgotangco, it's 3000 years old | 05:36 |
| lastnode | the language i mean | 05:36 |
| lastnode | it's derivative of pali/sanskrit | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | whoa | 05:36 |
| lastnode | it's phonetic too, so if you can speak, you can write | 05:37 |
| lastnode | well, in a nutshell | 05:37 |
| lastnode | brb, dinner | 05:37 |
| jsgotangco | whoa | 05:37 |
| lastnode | jsgotangco, dissecting jerome would look like this | 05:39 |
| lastnode | is j | 05:39 |
| lastnode | is jE | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | are you using scim? | 05:40 |
| lastnode | jsgotangco, yeah | 05:40 |
| jjesse | can you write some docs on how to use it :) | 05:40 |
| lastnode | is rrrr | 05:40 |
| lastnode | is ro | 05:40 |
| jjesse | the kubuntu people are hurting for information on how to setup and run with scim | 05:40 |
| jsgotangco | very interesting... | 05:40 |
| lastnode | jjesse, yeah sure, but im using gnome | 05:40 |
| lastnode | is M | 05:40 |
| lastnode | is jeroME | 05:41 |
| lastnode | :) | 05:41 |
| jjesse | know anyone using kubuntu and scim that could do some documentation? | 05:41 |
| lastnode | ok im done | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | who made those fonts? | 05:41 |
| lastnode | jsgotangco, im not even sure | 05:41 |
| lastnode | i prefer out LUG font | 05:41 |
| lastnode | *our | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | im in irssi, i don't see a lot of difference... | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | except some serif | 05:41 |
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| lastnode | oh right | 05:42 |
| lastnode | yeah it's wierd | 05:42 |
| lastnode | hopefully the lk-lug font will ship with pango next time | 05:42 |
| lastnode | there were patches being made, last i know | 05:42 |
| lastnode | jjesse, id be happy to help with the scim docs though | 05:42 |
| lastnode | but isnt it sKim? | 05:42 |
| lastnode | for kde? | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 05:43 |
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| lastnode | hmm | 05:43 |
| lastnode | anyway finally dinner! | 05:43 |
| lastnode | brb | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | ciao | 05:43 |
| lastnode | jsgotangco, back, eating | 05:49 |
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| lastnode | back, eating | 05:50 |
| === lastnode fires up a debconf video to watch while grubbing | ||
| LaserJock | lastnode: where are the video's at? | 05:51 |
| lastnode | LaserJock, http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/ | 05:52 |
| lastnode | ive only downloaded a few | 05:52 |
| lastnode | already watched Mark's talk, which was nice | 05:53 |
| lastnode | and Anthony Towns' | 05:53 |
| lastnode | watching Brendon's one now | 05:53 |
| lastnode | mmm | 05:54 |
| lastnode | man pages | 05:54 |
| mdke | lastnode: are there videos for 2006, do you know? | 05:57 |
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| lastnode | mdke, i have no clue | 05:58 |
| lastnode | er checked | 05:59 |
| lastnode | mdke, there is one | 05:59 |
| lastnode | http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/debcamp/hacklab_2006-05-09.mp4 | 05:59 |
| mdke | cool | 06:01 |
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| lastnode | Seveas, was that your alter ego that logged in as DapperDrake this afternoon :) | 06:05 |
| Seveas | no | 06:06 |
| lastnode | it was you then? | 06:07 |
| lastnode | aha | 06:07 |
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| lastnode | zomg manpages | 06:18 |
| jsgotangco | hey this isn't world of warcraft ;P | 06:19 |
| [Utah] tristanbob | there are a TON of wiki pages about Java - Do these need to be updated for 6.06? | 06:20 |
| mdke | yes | 06:21 |
| jsgotangco | very | 06:21 |
| mdke | but there shouldn't be a ton | 06:21 |
| mdke | there should ideally be one, and maybe subpages if necessary | 06:21 |
| jsgotangco | because now we just turn on mutliverse then apt-get | 06:21 |
| jsgotangco | but that's only for dapper | 06:21 |
| jsgotangco | it'll probably work for breezy as well | 06:21 |
| mdke | it does, if you specify the right packages. blackdown java packages are in breezy | 06:22 |
| jsgotangco | i meant sun-java | 06:22 |
| mdke | ah, that isn't in breezy | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | hmm, well that didn't exactly go the way I expected | 06:29 |
| mdke | haha | 06:30 |
| mdke | that'll teach you | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | well, I didn't really think he would have time for it | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | but I didn't think I'd be in charge | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | oh well | 06:30 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 06:31 |
| mdke | he's a nice guy | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | but Ian wrote like all the Debian devel docs so I'm a little nervous | 06:31 |
| jsgotangco | that's what you get for messing with the guy who created dpkg! | 06:31 |
| lastnode | jjesse, you were saying about scim/skim? where do i look | 06:31 |
| lastnode | murdock? | 06:32 |
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| jsgotangco | lastnode: ian jackson | 06:33 |
| lastnode | oh ok | 06:33 |
| mdke | although Murdock in fact created dpkg, I believe that's right | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | he is also the current firefox dude | 06:34 |
| lastnode | yeah that's what im thought, but im likely to be mistaken | 06:35 |
| mdke | oh no, perhaps not | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | it is sort of creepy to look up some of the Ubuntu guys in the Debian site | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | i believe he wrote most of the stuff that we use today | 06:36 |
| lastnode | "It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993." | 06:36 |
| lastnode | LaserJock, why? | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | but the blueprints were from murdock | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | lastnode: well elmo for instance is the ftp master for both Debian and Ubuntu and generally manages to run large parts of both distros | 06:37 |
| lastnode | mmm | 06:38 |
| lastnode | elmo took over from towns? | 06:38 |
| jsgotangco | hmm looks like iwj wrote this in sgml | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't know if he is *the* ftp master but he is one of 3 I think | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | I can't remember | 06:39 |
| lastnode | i see | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | mdz is/was heavily involved in Debian too I think | 06:40 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 06:41 |
| mdke | BenC was DPL | 06:41 |
| mdke | right? | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | I was just skimming through the Debian website looking for info | 06:41 |
| jsgotangco | i met mdz through the debian-arm project | 06:41 |
| lastnode | Ben Collins (April 2001 April 2002) | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | I'm not a debian user so I was amazed to see all these familar names | 06:41 |
| jsgotangco | i was still in openzaurus before | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | I can see where Debian could get a little "unhappy" about having a pretty sizable number of key players start working for Ubuntu | 06:42 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: there's also mvo | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | even mako before | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | and enricozini | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | (he's here but must be busy so i didnt tab complete his name) | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | daniels also | 06:43 |
| jsgotangco | actually its not that much | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | but the impact of those guys in the upstream project is quite big | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | iwj is head of the Debian Technical Committee | 06:44 |
| mdke | seb does the gnome packages doesn't he | 06:44 |
| jsgotangco | i believe so | 06:44 |
| === jsgotangco not sure | ||
| Burgwork | he works with the debian gnome team, yes | 06:45 |
| Burgwork | jdub used to run/work on Debian has well | 06:45 |
| lastnode | LaserJock, check out this video - http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-14/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttleworth.mpeg | 06:45 |
| lastnode | sabdfl mentions many more names | 06:45 |
| lastnode | jdub was/is a gnome dev? | 06:45 |
| jsgotangco | jdub used to be the gnome release manager | 06:46 |
| lastnode | thar we go | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | actually there are a lot of people in other projects | 06:46 |
| Burgwork | but when he did IT consulting, he built on Debian, hence the connection there | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | like python for instance | 06:46 |
| jsgotangco | there's also lamont before | 06:47 |
| Burgwork | almost everybody canonical hired has about 8 different skills they can use | 06:48 |
| lastnode | :) | 06:49 |
| enrico | hi jsgotangco, LaserJock :) | 06:49 |
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| jsgotangco | enrico! | 06:49 |
| Burgwork | hey enrico | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: perhaps | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | hi enrico | 06:49 |
| mdke | here is what we have for Lulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations | 06:49 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: yeah i'll make sure I add, I flipped burgers and dipped onion rings for thousands of customers every month | 06:50 |
| mdke | mmmm | 06:50 |
| jsgotangco | those guys sure have lots of translation manpower to spare | 06:51 |
| mdke | there are a lot more finished now, those are just the finished ones we have in our repo | 06:51 |
| mdke | and I had to remove quite a few because I didn't know what font to use | 06:51 |
| jsgotangco | i wish i had dedicated people like them | 06:51 |
| mdke | czech, russian, polish all had some completed | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | i live in a country where there is very little love of the local language | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | especially in computer-based literature | 06:52 |
| robotgeek | awesome mdke ! | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | well, at least the koreans and swedish users will have a good set of docs ;-) j/k | 06:53 |
| robotgeek | does anyone know how good translations are in our competing OS's | 06:53 |
| jsgotangco | where people laugh when they see about gnome in the local tounge and dismiss it as not useful | 06:53 |
| lastnode | robotgeek, for my language, it's virtually nill | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | jsgotangco, translation community can help spur the rest of the community (marketing, etc.) into ation | 06:54 |
| Burgwork | jsgotangco, we run intot he same issue in Canada | 06:55 |
| robotgeek | lastnode: sorry to hear. | 06:55 |
| jsgotangco | Burgwork: you're native english speakers :P | 06:55 |
| Burgwork | yep, hence no instant community | 06:55 |
| jsgotangco | that is the problem as well | 06:55 |
| lastnode | robotgeek, im just working on translating atm, actually :) | 06:55 |
| mdke | lastnode: you can change that! | 06:55 |
| lastnode | mdke, of course! | 06:56 |
| robotgeek | issue in India is that most people who have access to computers know english already, but i am glad to see translation efforts underway | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | Burgwork: although Nokia has done some good work in localising | 06:56 |
| lastnode | 06:56 | |
| lastnode | mdke, that's your first name, right there! | 06:56 |
| lastnode | :P | 06:56 |
| lastnode | actually | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | they look like roses | 06:56 |
| lastnode | ive anglo-saxonized it | 06:56 |
| lastnode | it should read | 06:56 |
| mdke | cool! | 06:56 |
| robotgeek | hmm, i can only see weird stuff. utf-8 issues :) | 06:57 |
| lastnode | robotgeek, you need the locale installed | 06:57 |
| lastnode | SI_utf8 | 06:57 |
| robotgeek | lastnode: ah, okay | 06:57 |
| jsgotangco | Burgwork: but you have very little need to translate to en_CA, on my side we have tl_PH but people prefer en_US they are not even aware of en_PH | 06:58 |
| lastnode | hopefully ill have a few more to work with after sunday's DRP | 06:58 |
| Burgwork | yep | 06:58 |
| jsgotangco | me and jdub talked about it before and he informed me the mongols invaded gnome in 6 weeks | 06:59 |
| lastnode | wow | 06:59 |
| lastnode | respect to them | 06:59 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 06:59 |
| lastnode | "Alpha Console Firmware" | 07:00 |
| lastnode | hth do i translate that | 07:00 |
| lastnode | xD | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | you just remain it as is if you can't translate it | 07:00 |
| lastnode | yeah i know, but there should be translations | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | sometimes you can't really | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | like in my language, Desktop has an entirely different meaning | 07:01 |
| jsgotangco | when translated literally | 07:02 |
| lastnode | jsgotangco, for a translation to ship, how much has to be completed? | 07:02 |
| mdke | anything | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | anything | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | sometimes its not completed it gets shipped | 07:02 |
| jsgotangco | it doesn't look good though | 07:02 |
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| jsgotangco | if you're tackling gnome, i'd still go for gnome cvs instead of rosetta | 07:03 |
| lastnode | mdke, even if one is translated it ships? | 07:03 |
| lastnode | i mean one block | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 07:03 |
| lastnode | that's wierd | 07:03 |
| jsgotangco | whatever rosetta picks up | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | then syncs | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | all language packs are now processed | 07:04 |
| lastnode | oh right | 07:04 |
| lastnode | so we need to get these out before edgy | 07:04 |
| lastnode | :) | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | (but if it doesn't feel free to ping rosetta) | 07:04 |
| mdke | lastnode: translate dapper, it will get monthly updates | 07:04 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: really? | 07:05 |
| lastnode | mdke, oh ok | 07:05 |
| lastnode | mdke, keyboard input doesnt work eyt with dapper | 07:05 |
| mdke | yeah, like previous releases | 07:05 |
| lastnode | i needed to apt-get a deb package for it | 07:05 |
| lastnode | a third party deb package at that | 07:05 |
| mdke | ah, definitely work with the developers for edgy on that | 07:05 |
| mdke | gtg | 07:05 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: is this only for ubuntu-docs or even applications translated in rosetta | 07:06 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: only applications translated in rosetta. for ubuntu-docs, it depends on how often I will do it | 07:06 |
| jsgotangco | hokayyy | 07:06 |
| jsgotangco | yes sir | 07:06 |
| lastnode | :) | 07:06 |
| mdke | cya | 07:07 |
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| jsgotangco | okayy so edgy will be open in 3 days | 07:10 |
| jjesse | just saw that email | 07:16 |
| jsgotangco | good night | 07:18 |
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| kermitX_ | http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch04.html#installnvidiadriver needs a little cleanup for dapper | 09:17 |
| Burgwork | kermitX_, that is the old breezy guide | 09:18 |
| jjesse | i don't think we releasd the start guide for dapper | 09:18 |
| Burgwork | starter guide is now desktop guide | 09:18 |
| jjesse | check out what the weather looks like outside: http://www.marshillruns.com/images/dsc01040.jpg | 09:18 |
| Burgwork | jjesse, cool. Where in the world are you again? | 09:19 |
| jjesse | grand rapids michigan, usa | 09:19 |
| kermitX_ | the start guide is what's linked from help.ubuntu.com; perhaps labeling it as breezy and referring people to the new guide? | 09:19 |
| jjesse | severe thunderstorm watch right now | 09:19 |
| jjesse | help.ubuntu.com is getting updated | 09:19 |
| Burgwork | we are about move the new guides from doc.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com | 09:20 |
| kermitX_ | ahh. ok. and that would be where the installed system documentation comes from? | 09:20 |
| jjesse | correct | 09:20 |
| Burgwork | it is one and the same | 09:20 |
| jjesse | d.u.c is where it is for testng and moved to production at h.u.c | 09:21 |
| kermitX_ | k. thx. just need to know where to refer ppl to. | 09:21 |
| kermitX_ | good job, btw on the docs.. better than any other distribution i've ever used. | 09:22 |
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| theCore | hi LaserJock | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | hi theCore | 10:29 |
| theCore | does the docs have been unlocked? | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | the docs have always been unlocked | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | we just branched Dapper docs, we can still work in ubuntu-docs just fine | 10:30 |
| theCore | ah, I thought the doc-team was refusing changes, because of the freeze | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | no | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | we just weren't making changes to the dapper branch | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | trunk is still ok | 10:32 |
| theCore | maybe, I could write something then | 10:34 |
| theCore | anyway, I want to do some packaging | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | great | 10:35 |
| theCore | maybe I should move to -motu | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | that's always a good place to hang out ;-) | 10:37 |
| crimsun | git checkout master | 10:39 |
| crimsun | fark, ewrongwindow | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: lol, doing some kernel work? | 10:41 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: yeah, until I decided to give my fingers a "break" by attempting to "explain" stuff to neuRo] | 10:56 |
| crimsun | enough of that finger exercise :p | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: I guess I'm taking over the Ubuntu Developer's Reference, you might get to do some more proofreading for edgy :-) | 10:58 |
| crimsun | oh dear :p | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | yep | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | that's what I said | 10:59 |
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