[12:10] <kbrooks> ping :-)
[12:10] <LaserJock> ping who?
[12:10] <kbrooks> LaserJock: 
[12:11] <kbrooks> can i talk about easyubuntu iin here for a quick moment, mdke?
[12:12] <LaserJock> it's a lot quiter in here than #ubuntu ;-)
[12:12] <mdke> kbrooks: is it related to documentation?
[12:12] <kbrooks> LaserJock: #easyubuntu
[12:13] <mdke> that sounds more sensible
[12:57] <jsgotangco> GOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD MORNIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGGG DOCCCCCCCCC TEAAAAAMMMMMMMM
[12:57] <mdke> morning there
[12:57] <mdke> in a good mood eh?
[12:58] <jsgotangco> its actually 7am
[12:58] <Burgwork> hey jsgotangco 
[12:58] <Burgwork> I am question to ask you, but now I forgot it
[12:59] <jsgotangco> hmm??
[12:59] <jsgotangco> would scrollback help?
[12:59] <jsgotangco> i still have an hour to spare before i do some real work
[12:59] <Burgwork> nope
[01:00] <jsgotangco> hmm..
[01:00] <jsgotangco> reading scrollback, if mdke doesn't mind ditching is profession, he'd sure make a good employee for canonical
[01:01] <mdke> this is the difficulty
[01:01] <mdke> I'd have to move profession, what would my new profession be?
[01:01] <jsgotangco> doc writer?
[01:01] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:01] <Burgwork> Documentation Team Manager
[01:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW just resigned just in case you didn't know
[01:02] <mdke> jsgotangco: shame about that. is she ok?
[01:02] <jsgotangco> she has a blog about it
[01:02] <mdke> url?
[01:03] <jsgotangco> although it would be expected that you do more for sure (and probably have more than 1 team role)
[01:04] <mdke> well, I'd like to do something with locoteams. But I mean, what would my long term profession be? If I left them, what would I do
[01:05] <jsgotangco> http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/so-im-leaving-not-getting-on-jet-plane.html
[01:05] <jsgotangco> mdke: yeah, that's the dilemna
[01:05] <LaserJock> well, whatever it was you could get away with INAL ;-)
[01:05] <LaserJock> IANAL I mean
[01:05] <jsgotangco> lol
[01:08] <mdke> so sounds like Mr JaneW is going to be getting involved maybe
[01:08] <LaserJock> yeah, I thought that was interesting
[01:09] <mdke> uhoh
[01:09] <mdke> the beginning of the end
[01:10] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[01:10] <jsgotangco> who is bill baker?
[01:10] <Burgwork> no idea
[01:10] <Burgwork> but he apparently works for Canonical
[01:11] <Burgwork> Bill Baker, Baker Communications Group, LLC (for OpenVZ) 860-350-9100
[01:11] <jsgotangco> ahh
[01:12] <Burgwork> appears to do corporate communications for several Open Source and technologies groups/companies
[01:12] <jsgotangco> wow good thing the orange text in the website got ditched
[01:12] <jsgotangco> i almost fainted when i saw it
[01:12] <mdke> wasn't so bad, I don't think
[01:13] <jsgotangco> ?
[01:13] <jsgotangco> *it was*
[01:13] <jsgotangco> it ate 1/4 of the browser space
[01:13] <mdke> a little big maybe
[01:17] <mdke> the same could be said of the cheesy images :)
[01:17] <LaserJock> mdke: is the help.u.c wiki going to be the community docs tab
[01:18] <jsgotangco> yeah i love the support guy image its sooo generic
[01:18] <jsgotangco> it fits the bill exactly for a typical call center agent here
[01:18] <mdke> LaserJock: that's the idea yeah
[01:19] <LaserJock> k
[01:20] <mdke> Karl didn't have time to do the move today, hopefully he'll do it tomorrow
[01:25] <mdke> so who is doing the SoC stuff, was it JaneW before?
[01:31] <jsgotangco> yes
[01:31] <jsgotangco> im not sure who's going to handle it after
[01:33] <mdke> bummer
[01:33] <jsgotangco> she ain't going to paris either
[02:36] <Madpilot> hi LaserJock
[02:36] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot 
[02:36] <LaserJock> how's the job going?
[02:36] <Madpilot> Jobs are (both) going OK. Computer isn't...
[02:37] <LaserJock> you've got 2 jobs?
[02:37] <Madpilot> dist-upgrade to Dapper has f*cked the thing up
[02:37] <Madpilot> yeah, one part-time and one basically casual
[02:37] <LaserJock> hehe, that's why I dist-upgraded in Dec.
[02:38] <Madpilot> heh. I had a few issues going from Hoary->Breezy, but Breezy-Dapper has broken damn near everything.
[02:38] <Madpilot> No internet, no sound, no auto-mounting of CDs - all stuff that works flawlessly before
[02:38] <LaserJock> dang
[02:38] <LaserJock> did you use the update manager?
[02:38] <Madpilot> I'm using a Xubuntu LiveCD right now
[02:38] <Madpilot> yeah, the shiny new GUI thing
[02:39] <Madpilot> the trouble seems to be the k7 kernel
[02:41] <LaserJock> really
[02:41] <LaserJock> I end up just using -386 just cause I don't want to mess with it
[02:41] <Madpilot> possibly, although Corey has very similar hardware, the k7 kernel, and has no trouble from Dapper
[02:41] <LaserJock> weird
[02:42] <Madpilot> and I ran all the Dapper Flight LiveCDs up to Beta, all with no trouble...
[02:42] <LaserJock> double weird
[02:42] <Madpilot> yeah.
[02:43] <LaserJock> Burgwork: you around?
[02:43] <Madpilot> thankfully, all my partitions are all intact - no data lost
[02:43] <LaserJock> yeah, the livecd ate mine
[02:46] <Madpilot> installing off the LiveCD? Ouch.
[02:47] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia
[02:47] <Burgundavia> anybody know a Vaan?
[02:47] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot, back up?
[02:48] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: does everybody get a "major contact" when they register at userful.com?
[02:48] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: nope, still fucked. No sound card either, and I tried both the Dapper & Breezy kernels I've got installed
[02:48] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: wht do you mean?
[02:49] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: you might have to reinstall
[02:49] <Burgundavia> we seperated your /home, no?
[02:49] <Madpilot> yes
[02:49] <Madpilot> nice seperate partition, thank Dog.
[02:49] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: I got an email from somebody today saying that they would be my "major contact" and asked if I had any questions :-)
[02:49] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: whom?
[02:50] <LaserJock> Jay Lee
[02:50] <Burgundavia> ah, yes, Jay
[02:50] <Madpilot> LaserJock: you a librarian?
[02:50] <LaserJock> I just thought it was interesting
[02:50] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no, just did some work for Userful
[02:51] <LaserJock> Madpilot: librarian? i worked a summer in the uni library. I'm a chemist
[02:52] <Madpilot> just wondering, given that Userful only does library work so far
[02:52] <LaserJock> that summer I did work at the uni library I was the technology person
[02:52] <LaserJock> Madpilot: ah, I didn't know that. I just did a little freelancing ;-)
[02:53] <Burgundavia> the fruits of which should be seen soon
[02:53] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: "Userfulbuntu"?
[02:54] <Burgundavia> not quite
[02:54] <crimsun> it's only cool if it has ponies!
[02:54] <Burgundavia> it might have a few
[02:55] <jsgotangco> no lots! or else my daughter would scream
[02:55] <jsgotangco> she has been brainwashed by ubuntu already
[02:55] <Burgundavia> bloody hell! I sell the ponies. I don't make them
[02:55] <crimsun> tehehe
[02:56] <crimsun> LaserJock: ok, this might help: http://cyclotram.blogspot.com/2006/05/omg-ponies-lol.html
[02:57] <Lathiat> mdke: am now :)
[02:57] <crimsun> or if you happened across /. on april fools
[02:57] <LaserJock> I did see the /. on april fools
[02:57] <crimsun> or if you know about young girls and their ponies, like in charlie and the chocolate factory
[02:58] <LaserJock> ah, see I grew up with mostly boys
[02:58] <LaserJock> not a lot of girls around my house
[03:00] <Madpilot> "a demented, post-apocalyptic My Little Pony." - from crimsun's article... :)
[03:04] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: could you pull down the Dapper install ISO & burn it for me?
[03:04] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: yep, can do
[03:05] <Madpilot> thanks. even with 1Gb of RAM, I'm not sure that pulling down an entire ISO is wise while I'm stuck on a LiveCD :P
[03:05] <crimsun> oh geez.
[03:05] <crimsun>  POE::Knee is a homophone of "Pony".  We all like ponies. And wouldn't we
[03:05] <crimsun>  love to race ponies? Well, that's what Acme::POE::Knee is for!
[03:05] <crimsun> (libacme-poe-knee-perl)
[03:05] <Madpilot> crimsun: please tell me you're joking about those file names... ;)
[03:07] <Burgundavia> anybody got an rsync line for the latest dapper?
[03:08] <LaserJock> Lathiat: you are totally missing time zones I guess
[03:29] <Lathiat> LaserJock: yeh
[03:30] <Lathiat> LaserJock: mdke messaged me at 5:01am
[03:30] <Lathiat> :)
[03:30] <Lathiat> i was faastt asleep :)
[03:30] <Lathiat> mdke: perhaps you could email me instead :)
[04:09] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=%22apt-get+install%22&fullsearch=Text <-- 489 results
[04:09] <Burgundavia> I am depressed
[04:14] <LaserJock> hmm, quite a few  of those are translated pages it seems
[04:14] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:16] <LaserJock> hmm, I didn't get any for "aptitude install"
[04:17] <Burgundavia> I assume you did text?
[04:18] <LaserJock> oh heck, I accidently did title
[04:18] <LaserJock> stupid me
[04:18] <Burgundavia> yep, hence why I asked
[04:18] <LaserJock> I got 33
[04:20] <LaserJock> personally I'm getting sick of wiki.u.c
[04:21] <LaserJock> there is waaaay too much stuff and much of it is crap
[04:21] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:21] <LaserJock> I guess it is better to have to much than to little, to some extent
[04:22] <Burgundavia> there are a lot of topic to cover
[04:24] <LaserJock> I guess it is mostly the huge range of quality and randomness that gets me
[04:26] <Madpilot> the duplication is fun too - when you realize that a single topic has three seperate & conflicting howtos...
[04:27] <LaserJock> you really have to have teams that look after subject areas or something
[04:27] <Burgundavia> I redirect yet another broadcom howto and the author emailed me
[04:27] <Burgundavia> he said "uhh, where is my stuff?
[04:27] <LaserJock> and you said, "in the darkest reaches of hell"?
[04:28] <crimsun> we really need a "zomg ponies" page.
[04:28] <Burgundavia> crimsun: do it!
[04:28] <crimsun> "sorry, but your page has been found wanting. Please see zomgPonies instead."
[04:28] <LaserJock> lol
[04:31] <Madpilot> it would have to be "ZomgPonies" to get the wiki's CamelCase working ;)
[04:33] <LaserJock> man, XP sucks when it comes to printing
[04:33] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:33] <Burgundavia> no cups ipp support, afaics
[04:34] <LaserJock> it doesn't have a lot for drivers either
[07:20] <LaserJock> crimsun: you running opera right now?
[07:22] <crimsun> LaserJock: nope, IE, the horror
[07:22] <robotgeek> the ietab firefox extension is cool
[07:22] <LaserJock> crimsun: dang, I just went to help.ubuntu.com/6.06 and the tabs are all messsed up
[07:23] <LaserJock> but that is in XP
[07:24] <LaserJock> I know, I know
[07:24] <LaserJock> I gotta get this thing resized and dualbooting before Paris
[07:46] <onkarshinde> rob: there?
[07:49] <onkarshinde> I wanted to discuss some changes to RestrictedFormats wiki page. Is anybody interested?
[07:51] <LaserJock> onkarshinde: you should email the ubuntu-doc mailing list
[08:56] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: ?
[08:56] <jsgotangco> will help.ubuntu.com get updated to reflect the doc.ubuntu.com docs?
[08:57] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: the move has not yet been done
[08:58] <jsgotangco> hmm it means we're actually moving servers?
[08:58] <jsgotangco> or just redirecting?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> no, the content has not yet been moved
[09:00] <jsgotangco> would be nice to have at least the page changed for now, it still has breezy docs, but it can wait i guess
[09:00] <Burgundavia> which page
[09:00] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:01] <jsgotangco> help.ubuntu.com
[09:01] <Burgundavia> sorry, tired, I am not following you
[09:01] <Burgundavia> better speak to mdke
[09:02] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: http://help.ubuntu.com still shows 5.10 docs in HTML and our dapper start pages refer to it
[09:02] <mdke> jsgotangco: not much I can do, I'm afraid
[09:03] <jsgotangco> its not a big issue, i just noticed it
[09:03] <mdke> I don't want to put up the 6.06 docs because they have the community tab which points at the non-existent wiki
[09:03] <jsgotangco> why not remove the tab for now?
[09:03] <mdke> karl should be doing the move today, then it will be sorted
[09:03] <jsgotangco> crap idea?
[09:03] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:04] <mdke> jsgotangco: because that would mean rebuilding all the docs, it would take me a while
[09:04] <jsgotangco> no worries like i said, its not a big issue
[09:04] <mdke> you're right though, I just don't have time, and hopefully it will be sorted today
[09:08] <bhuvan> mdke: i wish to print ubuntu t.shirts and distribute it locally. should i get permission from someone to do this ?
[09:08] <mdke> awesome
[09:09] <jsgotangco> you will have to ask silbs about it though
[09:09] <mdke> bhuvan: I don't think you need permission, but it wouldn't hurt to ask anyway, just in case. Also, Simira has done this before, maybe she can help with the templates
[09:09] <jsgotangco> or marilize
[09:09] <jsgotangco> but i don't think its really an issue
[09:10] <jsgotangco> we printed a hundred shirts down south before
[09:10] <bhuvan> jsgotangco, cool!
[09:11] <bhuvan> mdke, i am looking into Arwork/Official wiki page and got a logo (UbuntuStrapLogo.eps)
[09:11] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: got a link to the -newsletter logo?
[09:13] <jsgotangco> look for the ubuntu-newsletter LP team
[09:13] <jsgotangco> its really really tiny and mgalvin as the original
[09:13] <jsgotangco> but since we now have 4 ditributions it was natural to make a frankenstein logo out of it
[09:14] <highvoltage> hehe
[09:14] <Madpilot> looks like all four logos, one in each quarter of a circle?
[09:15] <jsgotangco> yeah with the mouse
[09:15] <jsgotangco> don't forget the mouse!
[09:16] <Madpilot> I'm running Xubuntu right now, I haven't forgotten the mouse :)
[09:20] <jsgotangco> err where is the xubuntu iso in se.releases?
[09:22] <Madpilot> no idea, I'm running a Xubuntu Beta2 LiveCD - dist-upgrade to Dapper borked my main install :|
[09:23] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: xubuntu has not been rolled yet, due to an LTSP bug
[09:23] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:23] <Madpilot> I thought LTSP was mostly an Edubuntu thing?
[09:24] <Burgundavia> yep, but due to asking, Xubuntu is going to have LTSP as an option on the install cd
[09:24] <Madpilot> cool
[09:24] <Burgundavia> that was what broke
[09:24] <Madpilot> makes sense for the older hardware a lot of schools (even in wealthy countries) have around
[09:24] <highvoltage> Madpilot: edubuntu is probably it's most relevant use atm
[09:25] <highvoltage> Madpilot: but it's important across the range, Xubuntu also now has an LTSP automated install
[09:25] <highvoltage> xubuntu has been released :)
[09:25] <jsgotangco> where?
[09:25] <highvoltage> just a sec (me opens release announcement)
[09:26] <robitaille> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06/release/
[09:26] <robitaille> according to the announcement
[09:26] <jsgotangco> cheers
[09:27] <highvoltage> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-June/000084.html
[09:27] <jsgotangco> there's this small tea house that will get raided by 50+ people in brown shirts tomorrow
[09:28] <highvoltage> please take photos/videos :)
[09:29] <robitaille> and I'm sure these 50+ people will be speaking a very strange language, with all sort of strange code words like dapper and edgy :)
[09:29] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: dress code for your event is "wear brown"? Shouldn't orange be acceptable too, for Dapper?
[09:30] <jsgotangco> sure
[09:30] <jsgotangco> i plan to go in my best looking MSDN jacket
[10:57] <onkarshinde> What is mailing list for documentation?
[10:57] <pygi> ubuntu-doc
[10:57] <onkarshinde> I don't find it on this page http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists
[10:59] <pygi> lists.ubuntu.com
[12:16] <glatzor> ping jsgotangco
[12:22] <glatzor> ping mdke
[12:33] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:33] <jsgotangco> glatzor: pong (im almost out though)
[12:34] <glatzor> jsgotangco: then go to bad. :) I've got problems with the build system, since I want to test my translation of the desktop guide
[12:34] <glatzor> bed
[12:34] <glatzor> /home/sebi/Desktop/%C3%9Cbersetzung/ubuntu/desktop-guide/desktopguide-de/getting-started.xml:311: parser error : Entity 'users-groups' not defined
[12:34] <glatzor> application>Users And Groups</application> application located in &users-groups;
[12:50] <mdke> glatzor: you shouldn't have any entitites, they are stripped out when building the pot file
[12:52] <mdke> check the pot file, that string isn't in there
[02:01] <glatzor> mdke: hi, the entities are not in the pot file, that is right. but xml2po doesn't merge my translations of the corresponding message that include a link
[02:51] <mdke> Burgwork: can you avoid moderating the email from me in the queue for ubuntu-doc... I didn't send it so I'm curious as to how it got there.
[02:51] <mdke> Burgwork: i'm gonna ask elmo or someone
[04:11] <Laser_away> mdke: ping?
[04:12] <mdke> Laser_away: pong
[04:13] <Laser_away> mdke: I checked out help.u.c/6.06 last night with opera on XP and it had some issues, did you know about that?
[04:13] <lastnode_> how do you include an image in the wiki?
[04:13] <lastnode_> syntax i mean?
[04:14] <mdke> lastnode_: HelpOnActions/AttachFile
[04:14] <lastnode_> thanks mdke 
[04:14] <mdke> lastnode_: what are you working on out of interest?
[04:15] <lastnode_> mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam , im trying to flesh out our activities in order to seek approval at the next Community Council meeting
[04:15] <lastnode_> we're having a DRP :)
[04:15] <mdke> cool
[04:15] <mdke> DRP?
[04:15] <mdke> ah
[04:15] <mdke> ic
[04:15] <mdke> nice script
[04:16] <lastnode_> mdke, script?
[04:17] <mdke> script as in writing characters
[04:17] <lastnode> ah
[04:17] <lastnode> you see it?
[04:17] <lastnode> nice, it's sinhala
[04:17] <mdke> yeah
[04:18] <lastnode> im just trying to upload a beta logo :)
[04:35] <mdke> lastnode: whoops, I didn't reply. No, I didn't know about any issues
[04:35] <mdke> argh
[04:35] <mdke> Laser_away: ^^
[04:37] <lastnode> :)
[04:37] <lastnode> mdke needs a break from the screen, i think
[04:38] <lastnode> a break will you take
[04:38] <lastnode> brb
[04:38] <mdke> hehe
[04:45] <LaserJock> lastnode: he doesn't need a break, he needs to get to work ;-)
[04:49] <LaserJock> mdke: are you interested in opera problems at all?
[04:50] <mdke> LaserJock: is it a gap between the tabs and the page?
[04:50] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: but did it work with gdebi?
[04:50] <LaserJock> mdke: the tabs were all on the left and the tops of them had white
[04:50] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: it was Opera for XP ;-)
[04:50] <jsgotangco> wooooo
[04:50] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I haven't tried gdebi yet
[04:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:51] <LaserJock> I did try the Edubunt livecd on that laptop though
[04:51] <mdke> LaserJock: Madpilot reported problems with all Ubuntu websites with opera. Was this just with ours?
[04:52] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't remember seeing it on www.u.c
[04:52] <LaserJock> but I just hit a couple sites to see what it looked like
[04:52] <jsgotangco> well in epiphany the ubuntu website's tabs doesn't jive well either
[04:54] <LaserJock> I'm at school now so I'll get Opera for OS X and see what it does
[05:00] <LaserJock> mdke: it is a different issue with help.u.c/6.06 than www.u.c with opera
[05:01] <LaserJock> mdke: help.u.c looks fine in OS X opera except the tabs are on the left instead of right side
[05:04] <mdke> LaserJock: if you have a fix... Otherwise I think I will leave it
[05:04] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:04] <LaserJock> you sound like a dev ;-)
[05:04] <mdke> you shouldn't be using these crazy browsers with crazy OSes
[05:05] <jsgotangco> that's right
[05:05] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: never argue with a lawyer :/
[05:06] <LaserJock> hehe
[05:06] <LaserJock> well, I just thought I would test it out
[05:06] <LaserJock> next stop, lynx :-)
[05:07] <jsgotangco> hey while you're at it, please install amaya as well an old version of mosaic :D
[05:07] <LaserJock> heh, lynx has saved my bacon more than once
[05:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:09] <LaserJock> they need to make a CLI browser that actually does the layout and graphics with ASCII art :-)
[05:10] <jsgotangco> heh yeah like those geeky mplayer plugins that convert the movie to ascii
[05:10] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:10] <jsgotangco> those are sooo cool
[05:11] <jsgotangco> i installed skype and gdebi took care of the deps awesome
[05:16] <LaserJock> I have to say that gdebi could really change third party packaging
[05:21] <LaserJock> oh my gosh!! no wonder he has karma to the moon
[05:21] <jjesse> who?
[05:21] <LaserJock> seb128
[05:21] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/seb128/+assignedbugs
[05:21] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/seb128/+subscribedbugs
[05:22] <lastnode> mdke, ping
[05:23] <mdke> lastnode: yeah
[05:23] <lastnode> mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam , the logo, is it a trademark violation? it just occured to me
[05:23] <lastnode> i just looked at the Indian guys and thought id go for it
[05:23] <lastnode> didn't really strike me
[05:24] <mdke> oh by the way
[05:24] <mdke> hope you're not a cricket fan :p
[05:25] <lastnode> mdke, i was a fanatic, but after we pwned the world in 1996
[05:25] <lastnode> i stopped watching
[05:25] <lastnode> what more is there for a little island to do ;-)
[05:25] <jjesse> cricket that's like baseball right ?   :)
[05:25] <mdke> a bit
[05:25] <lastnode> jjesse, baseball is cricket's illegitimate son
[05:25] <mdke> lastnode: see the trademark page on the website, if in doubt email them to ask
[05:25] <jjesse> grin i'm being sarcastic i know what cricket is
[05:26] <lastnode> :)
[05:26] <lastnode> jjesse++
[05:26] <lastnode> mdke, should i pull the image till then?
[05:27] <LaserJock> people still play cricket? I thought that was phased out years ago, like rugby ;-)
[05:31] <lastnode_> ye gods! i have a karma of 16. can someone tell me how that happens?
[05:31] <LaserJock> what was it?
[05:31] <lastnode_> 0
[05:31] <LaserJock> \o/
[05:31] <lastnode_> dont people have to give you karma?
[05:32] <LaserJock> no
[05:32] <LaserJock> on your LP page there should be a link on the left that says Karma
[05:32] <jsgotangco> karma is your activity
[05:32] <lastnode_> oh i see
[05:33] <mdke> lastnode: nah
[05:33] <LaserJock> so you must have done something :-)
[05:33] <lastnode_> it's slow work because technical terms are really hard to turn in to english
[05:33] <lastnode_> 
[05:33] <lastnode_> i just spelt my name
[05:33] <lastnode_> but even that's wrong
[05:33] <jjesse> wow
[05:33] <lastnode_> the last letter is a bastardized version
[05:33] <jjesse> what language?
[05:33] <lastnode_> it should be mahaNgu
[05:34] <lastnode_> jjesse, Sinhala
[05:34] <jsgotangco> nice
[05:34] <jsgotangco> how does my name look in that?
[05:34] <lastnode_> what's your name?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> jerome
[05:35] <lastnode_> 
[05:35] <lastnode_> there is a font problem there
[05:35] <lastnode_> if you noticed
[05:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:35] <lastnode_> >:(
[05:35] <jsgotangco> i notice it
[05:35] <jsgotangco> it doesn't make any sense to me though, it still looksl ike a bunch of small circles, sorry for that
[05:36] <jsgotangco> its neat though =)
[05:36] <lastnode> jsgotangco, it's 3000 years old
[05:36] <lastnode> the language i mean
[05:36] <lastnode> it's derivative of pali/sanskrit
[05:36] <jsgotangco> whoa
[05:37] <lastnode> it's phonetic too, so if you can speak, you can write
[05:37] <lastnode> well, in a nutshell
[05:37] <lastnode> brb, dinner
[05:37] <jsgotangco> whoa
[05:39] <lastnode> jsgotangco, dissecting jerome would look like this
[05:39] <lastnode>  is j
[05:40] <lastnode>  is jE
[05:40] <jsgotangco> are you using scim?
[05:40] <lastnode> jsgotangco, yeah
[05:40] <jjesse> can you write some docs on how to use it :)
[05:40] <lastnode>  is rrrr
[05:40] <lastnode>  is ro
[05:40] <jjesse> the kubuntu people are hurting for information on how to setup and run with scim
[05:40] <jsgotangco> very interesting...
[05:40] <lastnode> jjesse, yeah sure, but im using gnome
[05:40] <lastnode>  is M
[05:41] <lastnode>  is jeroME
[05:41] <lastnode> :)
[05:41] <jjesse> know anyone using kubuntu and scim that could do some documentation?
[05:41] <lastnode> ok im done
[05:41] <jsgotangco> who made those fonts?
[05:41] <lastnode> jsgotangco, im not even sure
[05:41] <lastnode> i prefer out LUG font
[05:41] <lastnode> *our
[05:41] <jsgotangco> im in irssi, i don't see a lot of difference...
[05:41] <jsgotangco> except some serif
[05:42] <lastnode> oh right
[05:42] <lastnode> yeah it's wierd
[05:42] <lastnode> hopefully the lk-lug font will ship with pango next time
[05:42] <lastnode> there were patches being made, last i know
[05:42] <lastnode> jjesse, id be happy to help with the scim docs though
[05:42] <lastnode> but isnt it sKim?
[05:43] <lastnode> for kde?
[05:43] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:43] <lastnode> hmm
[05:43] <lastnode> anyway finally dinner!
[05:43] <lastnode> brb
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ciao
[05:49] <lastnode> jsgotangco, back, eating
[05:50] <lastnode> back, eating
[05:51] <LaserJock> lastnode: where are the video's at?
[05:52] <lastnode> LaserJock, http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/
[05:52] <lastnode> ive only downloaded a few
[05:53] <lastnode> already watched Mark's talk, which was nice
[05:53] <lastnode> and Anthony Towns'
[05:53] <lastnode> watching Brendon's one now
[05:54] <lastnode> mmm
[05:54] <lastnode> man pages
[05:57] <mdke> lastnode: are there videos for 2006, do you know?
[05:58] <lastnode> mdke, i have no clue
[05:59] <lastnode> er checked
[05:59] <lastnode> mdke, there is one
[05:59] <lastnode> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/debcamp/hacklab_2006-05-09.mp4
[06:01] <mdke> cool
[06:05] <lastnode> Seveas, was that your alter ego that logged in as DapperDrake this afternoon :)
[06:06] <Seveas> no
[06:07] <lastnode> it was you then?
[06:07] <lastnode> aha
[06:18] <lastnode> zomg manpages
[06:19] <jsgotangco> hey this isn't world of warcraft ;P
[06:20] <[Utah] tristanbob> there are a TON of wiki pages about Java - Do these need to be updated for 6.06?
[06:21] <mdke> yes
[06:21] <jsgotangco> very
[06:21] <mdke> but there shouldn't be a ton
[06:21] <mdke> there should ideally be one, and maybe subpages if necessary
[06:21] <jsgotangco> because now we just turn on mutliverse then apt-get
[06:21] <jsgotangco> but that's only for dapper
[06:21] <jsgotangco> it'll probably work for breezy as well
[06:22] <mdke> it does, if you specify the right packages. blackdown java packages are in breezy
[06:22] <jsgotangco> i meant sun-java
[06:23] <mdke> ah, that isn't in breezy
[06:29] <LaserJock> hmm, well that didn't exactly go the way I expected
[06:30] <mdke> haha
[06:30] <mdke> that'll teach you
[06:30] <LaserJock> well, I didn't really think he would have time for it
[06:30] <LaserJock> but I didn't think I'd be in charge
[06:30] <LaserJock> oh well
[06:31] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:31] <mdke> he's a nice guy
[06:31] <LaserJock> but Ian wrote like all the Debian devel docs so I'm a little nervous
[06:31] <jsgotangco> that's what you get for messing with the guy who created dpkg!
[06:31] <lastnode> jjesse, you were saying about scim/skim? where do i look
[06:32] <lastnode> murdock?
[06:33] <jsgotangco> lastnode: ian jackson
[06:33] <lastnode> oh ok
[06:34] <mdke> although Murdock in fact created dpkg, I believe that's right
[06:34] <LaserJock> he is also the current firefox dude
[06:35] <lastnode> yeah that's what im thought, but im likely to be mistaken
[06:35] <mdke> oh no, perhaps not
[06:36] <LaserJock> it is sort of creepy to look up some of the Ubuntu guys in the Debian site
[06:36] <jsgotangco> i believe he wrote most of the stuff that we use today
[06:36] <lastnode> "It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993."
[06:36] <lastnode> LaserJock, why?
[06:36] <jsgotangco> but the blueprints were from murdock
[06:37] <LaserJock> lastnode: well elmo for instance is the ftp master for both Debian and Ubuntu and generally manages to run large parts of both distros
[06:38] <lastnode> mmm
[06:38] <lastnode> elmo took over from towns?
[06:38] <jsgotangco> hmm looks like iwj wrote this in sgml
[06:38] <LaserJock> well, I don't know if he is *the* ftp master but he is one of 3 I think
[06:39] <LaserJock> I can't remember
[06:40] <lastnode> i see
[06:40] <LaserJock> mdz is/was heavily involved in Debian too I think 
[06:41] <jsgotangco> yes
[06:41] <mdke> BenC was DPL
[06:41] <mdke> right?
[06:41] <LaserJock> I was just skimming through the Debian website looking for info
[06:41] <jsgotangco> i met mdz through the debian-arm project
[06:41] <lastnode> Ben Collins (April 2001  April 2002)
[06:41] <LaserJock> I'm not a debian user so I was amazed to see all these familar names
[06:41] <jsgotangco> i was still in openzaurus before
[06:42] <LaserJock> I can see where Debian could get a little "unhappy" about having a pretty sizable number of key players start working for Ubuntu
[06:42] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: there's also mvo
[06:43] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:43] <jsgotangco> even mako before
[06:43] <jsgotangco> and enricozini
[06:43] <jsgotangco> (he's here but must be busy so i didnt tab complete his name)
[06:43] <jsgotangco> daniels also
[06:44] <jsgotangco> actually its not that much
[06:44] <jsgotangco> but the impact of those guys in the upstream project is quite big
[06:44] <LaserJock> iwj is head of the Debian Technical Committee
[06:44] <mdke> seb does the gnome packages doesn't he
[06:44] <jsgotangco> i believe so
[06:45] <Burgwork> he works with the debian gnome team, yes
[06:45] <Burgwork> jdub used to run/work on Debian has well
[06:45] <lastnode> LaserJock, check out this video - http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-14/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttleworth.mpeg
[06:45] <lastnode> sabdfl mentions many more names
[06:45] <lastnode> jdub was/is a gnome dev?
[06:46] <jsgotangco> jdub used to be the gnome release manager
[06:46] <lastnode> thar we go
[06:46] <jsgotangco> actually there are a lot of people in other projects
[06:46] <Burgwork> but when he did IT consulting, he built on Debian, hence the connection there
[06:46] <jsgotangco> like python for instance
[06:47] <jsgotangco> there's also lamont before
[06:48] <Burgwork> almost everybody canonical hired has about 8 different skills they can use
[06:49] <lastnode> :)
[06:49] <enrico> hi jsgotangco, LaserJock  :)
[06:49] <jsgotangco> enrico!
[06:49] <Burgwork> hey enrico 
[06:49] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: perhaps
[06:49] <LaserJock> hi enrico 
[06:49] <mdke> here is what we have for Lulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations
[06:50] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: yeah i'll make sure I add, I flipped burgers and dipped onion rings for thousands of customers every month
[06:50] <mdke> mmmm
[06:51] <jsgotangco> those guys sure have lots of translation manpower to spare
[06:51] <mdke> there are a lot more finished now, those are just the finished ones we have in our repo
[06:51] <mdke> and I had to remove quite a few because I didn't know what font to use
[06:51] <jsgotangco> i wish i had dedicated people like them
[06:52] <mdke> czech, russian, polish all had some completed 
[06:52] <jsgotangco> i live in a country where there is very little love of the local language
[06:52] <jsgotangco> especially in computer-based literature
[06:52] <robotgeek> awesome mdke ! 
[06:53] <LaserJock> well, at least the koreans and swedish users will have a good set of docs ;-) j/k
[06:53] <robotgeek> does anyone know how good translations are in our competing OS's
[06:53] <jsgotangco> where people laugh when they see about gnome in the local tounge and dismiss it as not useful
[06:54] <lastnode> robotgeek, for my language, it's virtually nill
[06:54] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, translation community can help spur the rest of the community (marketing, etc.) into ation
[06:55] <Burgwork> jsgotangco, we run intot he same issue in Canada
[06:55] <robotgeek> lastnode: sorry to hear. 
[06:55] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: you're native english speakers :P
[06:55] <Burgwork> yep, hence no instant community
[06:55] <jsgotangco> that is the problem as well
[06:55] <lastnode> robotgeek, im just working on translating atm, actually :)
[06:55] <mdke> lastnode: you can change that!
[06:56] <lastnode> mdke, of course!
[06:56] <robotgeek> issue in India is that most people who have access to computers know english already, but i am glad to see translation efforts underway
[06:56] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: although Nokia has done some good work in localising
[06:56] <lastnode> 
[06:56] <lastnode> mdke, that's your first name, right there!
[06:56] <lastnode> :P
[06:56] <lastnode> actually
[06:56] <jsgotangco> they look like roses
[06:56] <lastnode> ive anglo-saxonized it
[06:56] <lastnode> it should read 
[06:56] <mdke> cool!
[06:57] <robotgeek> hmm, i can only see weird stuff. utf-8 issues :)
[06:57] <lastnode> robotgeek, you need the locale installed
[06:57] <lastnode> SI_utf8
[06:57] <robotgeek> lastnode: ah, okay
[06:58] <jsgotangco> Burgwork: but you have very little need to translate to en_CA, on my side we have tl_PH but people prefer en_US they are not even aware of en_PH
[06:58] <lastnode> hopefully ill have a few more to work with after sunday's DRP
[06:58] <Burgwork> yep
[06:59] <jsgotangco> me and jdub talked about it before and he informed me the mongols invaded gnome in 6 weeks
[06:59] <lastnode> wow
[06:59] <lastnode> respect to them
[06:59] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:00] <lastnode> "Alpha Console Firmware"
[07:00] <lastnode> hth do i translate that
[07:00] <lastnode> xD
[07:00] <jsgotangco> you just remain it as is if you can't translate it
[07:01] <lastnode> yeah i know, but there should be translations
[07:01] <jsgotangco> sometimes you can't really
[07:01] <jsgotangco> like in my language, Desktop has an entirely different meaning
[07:02] <jsgotangco> when translated literally
[07:02] <lastnode> jsgotangco, for a translation to ship, how much has to be completed?
[07:02] <mdke> anything
[07:02] <jsgotangco> anything
[07:02] <jsgotangco> sometimes its not completed it gets shipped
[07:02] <jsgotangco> it doesn't look good though
[07:03] <jsgotangco> if you're tackling gnome, i'd still go for gnome cvs instead of rosetta
[07:03] <lastnode> mdke, even if one is translated it ships?
[07:03] <lastnode> i mean one block
[07:03] <jsgotangco> yes
[07:03] <lastnode> that's wierd
[07:04] <jsgotangco> whatever rosetta picks up
[07:04] <jsgotangco> then syncs
[07:04] <jsgotangco> all language packs are now processed
[07:04] <lastnode> oh right
[07:04] <lastnode> so we need to get these out before edgy
[07:04] <lastnode> :)
[07:04] <jsgotangco> (but if it doesn't feel free to ping rosetta)
[07:04] <mdke> lastnode: translate dapper, it will get monthly updates
[07:05] <jsgotangco> mdke: really?
[07:05] <lastnode> mdke, oh ok
[07:05] <lastnode> mdke, keyboard input doesnt work eyt with dapper
[07:05] <mdke> yeah, like previous releases
[07:05] <lastnode> i needed to apt-get a deb package for it
[07:05] <lastnode> a third party deb package at that
[07:05] <mdke> ah, definitely work with the developers for edgy on that
[07:05] <mdke> gtg
[07:06] <jsgotangco> mdke: is this only for ubuntu-docs or even applications translated in rosetta
[07:06] <mdke> jsgotangco: only applications translated in rosetta. for ubuntu-docs, it depends on how often I will do it
[07:06] <jsgotangco> hokayyy
[07:06] <jsgotangco> yes sir
[07:06] <lastnode> :)
[07:07] <mdke> cya
[07:10] <jsgotangco> okayy so edgy will be open in 3 days
[07:16] <jjesse> just saw that email
[07:18] <jsgotangco> good night
[09:17] <kermitX_> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch04.html#installnvidiadriver  needs a little cleanup for dapper
[09:18] <Burgwork> kermitX_, that is the old breezy guide
[09:18] <jjesse> i don't think we releasd the start guide for dapper
[09:18] <Burgwork> starter guide is now desktop guide
[09:18] <jjesse> check out what the weather looks like outside: http://www.marshillruns.com/images/dsc01040.jpg 
[09:19] <Burgwork> jjesse, cool. Where in the world are you again?
[09:19] <jjesse> grand rapids michigan, usa
[09:19] <kermitX_> the start guide is what's linked from help.ubuntu.com; perhaps labeling it as breezy and referring people to the new guide?
[09:19] <jjesse> severe thunderstorm watch right now
[09:19] <jjesse> help.ubuntu.com is getting updated
[09:20] <Burgwork> we are about move the new guides from doc.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <kermitX_> ahh. ok. and that would be where the installed system documentation comes from?
[09:20] <jjesse> correct
[09:20] <Burgwork> it is one and the same
[09:21] <jjesse> d.u.c is where it is for testng and moved to production at h.u.c
[09:21] <kermitX_> k. thx. just need to know where to refer ppl to.
[09:22] <kermitX_> good job, btw on the docs.. better than any other distribution i've ever used.
[10:28] <theCore> hi LaserJock
[10:29] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[10:29] <theCore> does the docs have been unlocked?
[10:30] <LaserJock> the docs have always been unlocked
[10:30] <LaserJock> we just branched Dapper docs, we can still work in ubuntu-docs just fine
[10:31] <theCore> ah, I thought the doc-team was refusing changes, because of the freeze
[10:31] <LaserJock> no
[10:32] <LaserJock> we just weren't making changes to the dapper branch
[10:32] <LaserJock> trunk is still ok
[10:34] <theCore> maybe, I could write something then
[10:34] <theCore> anyway, I want to do some packaging 
[10:35] <LaserJock> great
[10:36] <theCore> maybe I should move to -motu
[10:37] <LaserJock> that's always a good place to hang out ;-)
[10:39] <crimsun> git checkout master
[10:39] <crimsun> fark, ewrongwindow
[10:41] <LaserJock> crimsun: lol, doing some kernel work?
[10:56] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, until I decided to give my fingers a "break" by attempting to "explain" stuff to neuRo] 
[10:57] <crimsun> enough of that finger exercise :p
[10:57] <LaserJock> hehe
[10:58] <LaserJock> crimsun: I guess I'm taking over the Ubuntu Developer's Reference, you might get to do some more proofreading for edgy :-)
[10:58] <crimsun> oh dear :p
[10:59] <LaserJock> yep
[10:59] <LaserJock> that's what I said