=== dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:10] ping :-) [12:10] ping who? [12:10] LaserJock: [12:11] can i talk about easyubuntu iin here for a quick moment, mdke? [12:12] it's a lot quiter in here than #ubuntu ;-) [12:12] kbrooks: is it related to documentation? [12:12] LaserJock: #easyubuntu [12:13] that sounds more sensible === karderio [n=user@d213-103-218-78.cust.tele2.fr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kingbahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:57] GOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD MORNIIIIIINGGGGGGGGGGG DOCCCCCCCCC TEAAAAAMMMMMMMM [12:57] morning there [12:57] in a good mood eh? [12:58] its actually 7am [12:58] hey jsgotangco [12:58] I am question to ask you, but now I forgot it [12:59] hmm?? [12:59] would scrollback help? [12:59] i still have an hour to spare before i do some real work [12:59] nope [01:00] hmm.. [01:00] reading scrollback, if mdke doesn't mind ditching is profession, he'd sure make a good employee for canonical [01:01] this is the difficulty [01:01] I'd have to move profession, what would my new profession be? [01:01] doc writer? [01:01] heh [01:01] Documentation Team Manager [01:01] JaneW just resigned just in case you didn't know [01:02] jsgotangco: shame about that. is she ok? [01:02] she has a blog about it [01:02] url? === jsgotangco hunts for it in his list [01:03] although it would be expected that you do more for sure (and probably have more than 1 team role) [01:04] well, I'd like to do something with locoteams. But I mean, what would my long term profession be? If I left them, what would I do [01:05] http://janewsblog.blogspot.com/2006/05/so-im-leaving-not-getting-on-jet-plane.html [01:05] mdke: yeah, that's the dilemna [01:05] well, whatever it was you could get away with INAL ;-) [01:05] IANAL I mean [01:05] lol [01:08] so sounds like Mr JaneW is going to be getting involved maybe === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:08] yeah, I thought that was interesting === jsgotangco opens a bottle of tea [01:09] uhoh [01:09] the beginning of the end [01:10] hrmm [01:10] who is bill baker? [01:10] no idea [01:10] but he apparently works for Canonical [01:11] Bill Baker, Baker Communications Group, LLC (for OpenVZ) 860-350-9100 [01:11] ahh [01:12] appears to do corporate communications for several Open Source and technologies groups/companies [01:12] wow good thing the orange text in the website got ditched [01:12] i almost fainted when i saw it [01:12] wasn't so bad, I don't think [01:13] ? [01:13] *it was* [01:13] it ate 1/4 of the browser space [01:13] a little big maybe [01:17] the same could be said of the cheesy images :) [01:17] mdke: is the help.u.c wiki going to be the community docs tab [01:18] yeah i love the support guy image its sooo generic [01:18] it fits the bill exactly for a typical call center agent here [01:18] LaserJock: that's the idea yeah [01:19] k [01:20] Karl didn't have time to do the move today, hopefully he'll do it tomorrow [01:25] so who is doing the SoC stuff, was it JaneW before? [01:31] yes [01:31] im not sure who's going to handle it after [01:33] bummer [01:33] she ain't going to paris either === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jenda [n=jenda@unaffiliated/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=Madpilot@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-doc === archis_ [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:36] hi LaserJock [02:36] hi Madpilot [02:36] how's the job going? [02:36] Jobs are (both) going OK. Computer isn't... [02:37] you've got 2 jobs? [02:37] dist-upgrade to Dapper has f*cked the thing up [02:37] yeah, one part-time and one basically casual [02:37] hehe, that's why I dist-upgraded in Dec. [02:38] heh. I had a few issues going from Hoary->Breezy, but Breezy-Dapper has broken damn near everything. [02:38] No internet, no sound, no auto-mounting of CDs - all stuff that works flawlessly before [02:38] dang [02:38] did you use the update manager? [02:38] I'm using a Xubuntu LiveCD right now [02:38] yeah, the shiny new GUI thing [02:39] the trouble seems to be the k7 kernel [02:41] really [02:41] I end up just using -386 just cause I don't want to mess with it [02:41] possibly, although Corey has very similar hardware, the k7 kernel, and has no trouble from Dapper [02:41] weird [02:42] and I ran all the Dapper Flight LiveCDs up to Beta, all with no trouble... [02:42] double weird [02:42] yeah. [02:43] Burgwork: you around? [02:43] thankfully, all my partitions are all intact - no data lost [02:43] yeah, the livecd ate mine [02:46] installing off the LiveCD? Ouch. === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:47] hi Burgundavia [02:47] anybody know a Vaan? [02:47] hey Madpilot, back up? [02:48] Burgundavia: does everybody get a "major contact" when they register at userful.com? [02:48] Burgundavia: nope, still fucked. No sound card either, and I tried both the Dapper & Breezy kernels I've got installed [02:48] LaserJock: wht do you mean? [02:49] Madpilot: you might have to reinstall [02:49] we seperated your /home, no? [02:49] yes [02:49] nice seperate partition, thank Dog. [02:49] Burgundavia: I got an email from somebody today saying that they would be my "major contact" and asked if I had any questions :-) [02:49] LaserJock: whom? [02:50] Jay Lee [02:50] ah, yes, Jay [02:50] LaserJock: you a librarian? [02:50] I just thought it was interesting [02:50] Madpilot: no, just did some work for Userful [02:51] Madpilot: librarian? i worked a summer in the uni library. I'm a chemist === Burgundavia considers buying theyearofthelinuxdesktop.com [02:52] just wondering, given that Userful only does library work so far [02:52] that summer I did work at the uni library I was the technology person [02:52] Madpilot: ah, I didn't know that. I just did a little freelancing ;-) [02:53] the fruits of which should be seen soon [02:53] Burgundavia: "Userfulbuntu"? [02:54] not quite [02:54] it's only cool if it has ponies! [02:54] it might have a few [02:55] no lots! or else my daughter would scream === LaserJock still doesn't get the ponies thing [02:55] she has been brainwashed by ubuntu already [02:55] bloody hell! I sell the ponies. I don't make them [02:55] tehehe [02:56] LaserJock: ok, this might help: http://cyclotram.blogspot.com/2006/05/omg-ponies-lol.html [02:57] mdke: am now :) [02:57] or if you happened across /. on april fools [02:57] I did see the /. on april fools [02:57] or if you know about young girls and their ponies, like in charlie and the chocolate factory [02:58] ah, see I grew up with mostly boys [02:58] not a lot of girls around my house [03:00] "a demented, post-apocalyptic My Little Pony." - from crimsun's article... :) === mpt [n=mpt@198.142.90.109] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:04] Burgundavia: could you pull down the Dapper install ISO & burn it for me? [03:04] Madpilot: yep, can do [03:05] thanks. even with 1Gb of RAM, I'm not sure that pulling down an entire ISO is wise while I'm stuck on a LiveCD :P [03:05] oh geez. [03:05] POE::Knee is a homophone of "Pony". We all like ponies. And wouldn't we [03:05] love to race ponies? Well, that's what Acme::POE::Knee is for! [03:05] (libacme-poe-knee-perl) [03:05] crimsun: please tell me you're joking about those file names... ;) [03:07] anybody got an rsync line for the latest dapper? [03:08] Lathiat: you are totally missing time zones I guess === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Taim [n=taim@27.nwkn2.xdsl.nauticom.net] has joined #Ubuntu-Doc [03:29] LaserJock: yeh [03:30] LaserJock: mdke messaged me at 5:01am [03:30] :) [03:30] i was faastt asleep :) [03:30] mdke: perhaps you could email me instead :) [04:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=%22apt-get+install%22&fullsearch=Text <-- 489 results [04:09] I am depressed [04:14] hmm, quite a few of those are translated pages it seems [04:14] yep [04:16] hmm, I didn't get any for "aptitude install" [04:17] I assume you did text? [04:18] oh heck, I accidently did title [04:18] stupid me [04:18] yep, hence why I asked [04:18] I got 33 [04:20] personally I'm getting sick of wiki.u.c [04:21] there is waaaay too much stuff and much of it is crap [04:21] yep [04:21] I guess it is better to have to much than to little, to some extent [04:22] there are a lot of topic to cover [04:24] I guess it is mostly the huge range of quality and randomness that gets me [04:26] the duplication is fun too - when you realize that a single topic has three seperate & conflicting howtos... [04:27] you really have to have teams that look after subject areas or something [04:27] I redirect yet another broadcom howto and the author emailed me [04:27] he said "uhh, where is my stuff? [04:27] and you said, "in the darkest reaches of hell"? [04:28] we really need a "zomg ponies" page. [04:28] crimsun: do it! [04:28] "sorry, but your page has been found wanting. Please see zomgPonies instead." [04:28] lol [04:31] it would have to be "ZomgPonies" to get the wiki's CamelCase working ;) [04:33] man, XP sucks when it comes to printing [04:33] yep [04:33] no cups ipp support, afaics [04:34] it doesn't have a lot for drivers either === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.35.186] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn2.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ is now known as help === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === help is now known as bhuvan === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-208-121.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:20] crimsun: you running opera right now? === robotgeek has been using epiphany without significant issues now, even likes it [07:22] LaserJock: nope, IE, the horror [07:22] the ietab firefox extension is cool [07:22] crimsun: dang, I just went to help.ubuntu.com/6.06 and the tabs are all messsed up [07:23] but that is in XP === Burgundavia smacks LaserJock for using XP [07:24] I know, I know [07:24] I gotta get this thing resized and dualbooting before Paris === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkar@59.95.1.239] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:46] rob: there? [07:49] I wanted to discuss some changes to RestrictedFormats wiki page. Is anybody interested? [07:51] onkarshinde: you should email the ubuntu-doc mailing list === aanjhan_ [n=aanjhan@59.92.37.138] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] hmm [08:56] jsgotangco: ? [08:56] will help.ubuntu.com get updated to reflect the doc.ubuntu.com docs? [08:57] jsgotangco: the move has not yet been done [08:58] hmm it means we're actually moving servers? [08:58] or just redirecting? [08:58] no, the content has not yet been moved [09:00] would be nice to have at least the page changed for now, it still has breezy docs, but it can wait i guess [09:00] which page [09:00] ? [09:01] help.ubuntu.com [09:01] sorry, tired, I am not following you [09:01] better speak to mdke [09:02] Burgundavia: http://help.ubuntu.com still shows 5.10 docs in HTML and our dapper start pages refer to it [09:02] jsgotangco: not much I can do, I'm afraid [09:03] its not a big issue, i just noticed it [09:03] I don't want to put up the 6.06 docs because they have the community tab which points at the non-existent wiki [09:03] why not remove the tab for now? [09:03] karl should be doing the move today, then it will be sorted [09:03] crap idea? [09:03] ahhh [09:04] jsgotangco: because that would mean rebuilding all the docs, it would take me a while [09:04] no worries like i said, its not a big issue [09:04] you're right though, I just don't have time, and hopefully it will be sorted today [09:08] mdke: i wish to print ubuntu t.shirts and distribute it locally. should i get permission from someone to do this ? [09:08] awesome [09:09] you will have to ask silbs about it though [09:09] bhuvan: I don't think you need permission, but it wouldn't hurt to ask anyway, just in case. Also, Simira has done this before, maybe she can help with the templates [09:09] or marilize [09:09] but i don't think its really an issue [09:10] we printed a hundred shirts down south before [09:10] jsgotangco, cool! === jsgotangco thinks the ubuntu-newsletter emblem is worth making a shirt [09:11] mdke, i am looking into Arwork/Official wiki page and got a logo (UbuntuStrapLogo.eps) [09:11] jsgotangco: got a link to the -newsletter logo? === bhuvan is just googling for the same :) [09:13] look for the ubuntu-newsletter LP team [09:13] its really really tiny and mgalvin as the original [09:13] but since we now have 4 ditributions it was natural to make a frankenstein logo out of it [09:14] hehe [09:14] looks like all four logos, one in each quarter of a circle? [09:15] yeah with the mouse [09:15] don't forget the mouse! [09:16] I'm running Xubuntu right now, I haven't forgotten the mouse :) [09:20] err where is the xubuntu iso in se.releases? === jsgotangco couldn't find it [09:22] no idea, I'm running a Xubuntu Beta2 LiveCD - dist-upgrade to Dapper borked my main install :| [09:23] jsgotangco: xubuntu has not been rolled yet, due to an LTSP bug [09:23] ahhh [09:23] I thought LTSP was mostly an Edubuntu thing? [09:24] yep, but due to asking, Xubuntu is going to have LTSP as an option on the install cd [09:24] cool [09:24] that was what broke [09:24] makes sense for the older hardware a lot of schools (even in wealthy countries) have around [09:24] Madpilot: edubuntu is probably it's most relevant use atm [09:25] Madpilot: but it's important across the range, Xubuntu also now has an LTSP automated install [09:25] xubuntu has been released :) [09:25] where? [09:25] just a sec (me opens release announcement) === jsgotangco doesn't see it in the mirrors [09:26] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/6.06/release/ [09:26] according to the announcement [09:26] cheers === jsgotangco is catching up on ISOs for tomorrow's get together [09:27] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-June/000084.html [09:27] there's this small tea house that will get raided by 50+ people in brown shirts tomorrow [09:28] please take photos/videos :) [09:29] and I'm sure these 50+ people will be speaking a very strange language, with all sort of strange code words like dapper and edgy :) [09:29] jsgotangco: dress code for your event is "wear brown"? Shouldn't orange be acceptable too, for Dapper? [09:30] sure [09:30] i plan to go in my best looking MSDN jacket === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ppp-38-88.25-151.libero.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-245-96.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:57] What is mailing list for documentation? [10:57] ubuntu-doc [10:57] I don't find it on this page http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists [10:59] lists.ubuntu.com === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp218-91.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] ping jsgotangco === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:22] ping mdke === donfilipo [n=strajnar@85.cable-1.telesat.si] has joined #ubuntu-doc === donfilipo [n=strajnar@85.cable-1.telesat.si] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:33] hi [12:33] glatzor: pong (im almost out though) [12:34] jsgotangco: then go to bad. :) I've got problems with the build system, since I want to test my translation of the desktop guide [12:34] bed [12:34] /home/sebi/Desktop/%C3%9Cbersetzung/ubuntu/desktop-guide/desktopguide-de/getting-started.xml:311: parser error : Entity 'users-groups' not defined [12:34] application>Users And Groups application located in &users-groups; [12:50] glatzor: you shouldn't have any entitites, they are stripped out when building the pot file [12:52] check the pot file, that string isn't in there === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:01] mdke: hi, the entities are not in the pot file, that is right. but xml2po doesn't merge my translations of the corresponding message that include a link === n1c0las [n=nicolas@nicolas.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === donfilipo [n=strajnar@85.cable-1.telesat.si] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-225-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:51] Burgwork: can you avoid moderating the email from me in the queue for ubuntu-doc... I didn't send it so I'm curious as to how it got there. [02:51] Burgwork: i'm gonna ask elmo or someone === onkarshinde [n=onkarshi@203.199.147.101] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === donfilipo [n=strajnar@85.cable-1.telesat.si] has joined #ubuntu-doc === donfilipo [n=strajnar@85.cable-1.telesat.si] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:11] mdke: ping? [04:12] Laser_away: pong [04:13] mdke: I checked out help.u.c/6.06 last night with opera on XP and it had some issues, did you know about that? [04:13] how do you include an image in the wiki? [04:13] syntax i mean? [04:14] lastnode_: HelpOnActions/AttachFile [04:14] thanks mdke [04:14] lastnode_: what are you working on out of interest? [04:15] mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam , im trying to flesh out our activities in order to seek approval at the next Community Council meeting [04:15] we're having a DRP :) [04:15] cool [04:15] DRP? [04:15] ah [04:15] ic [04:15] nice script [04:16] mdke, script? [04:17] script as in writing characters [04:17] ah [04:17] you see it? [04:17] nice, it's sinhala [04:17] yeah [04:18] im just trying to upload a beta logo :) === Kyral_Laptop [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:35] lastnode: whoops, I didn't reply. No, I didn't know about any issues [04:35] argh [04:35] Laser_away: ^^ [04:37] :) [04:37] mdke needs a break from the screen, i think === lastnode uses jedi mind tricks [04:38] a break will you take [04:38] brb [04:38] hehe === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:45] lastnode: he doesn't need a break, he needs to get to work ;-) [04:49] mdke: are you interested in opera problems at all? [04:50] LaserJock: is it a gap between the tabs and the page? === jsgotangco doesn't like opera [04:50] LaserJock: but did it work with gdebi? [04:50] mdke: the tabs were all on the left and the tops of them had white [04:50] jsgotangco: it was Opera for XP ;-) [04:50] wooooo [04:50] jsgotangco: I haven't tried gdebi yet === jsgotangco gives LaserJock the edubuntu smackdown [04:51] hehe [04:51] I did try the Edubunt livecd on that laptop though [04:51] LaserJock: Madpilot reported problems with all Ubuntu websites with opera. Was this just with ours? [04:52] hmm, I don't remember seeing it on www.u.c [04:52] but I just hit a couple sites to see what it looked like [04:52] well in epiphany the ubuntu website's tabs doesn't jive well either [04:54] I'm at school now so I'll get Opera for OS X and see what it does [05:00] mdke: it is a different issue with help.u.c/6.06 than www.u.c with opera [05:01] mdke: help.u.c looks fine in OS X opera except the tabs are on the left instead of right side [05:04] LaserJock: if you have a fix... Otherwise I think I will leave it [05:04] hehe [05:04] you sound like a dev ;-) [05:04] you shouldn't be using these crazy browsers with crazy OSes [05:05] that's right [05:05] LaserJock: never argue with a lawyer :/ === jsgotangco hides [05:06] hehe [05:06] well, I just thought I would test it out [05:06] next stop, lynx :-) === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:07] hey while you're at it, please install amaya as well an old version of mosaic :D [05:07] heh, lynx has saved my bacon more than once [05:08] yeah [05:09] they need to make a CLI browser that actually does the layout and graphics with ASCII art :-) [05:10] heh yeah like those geeky mplayer plugins that convert the movie to ascii [05:10] yeah [05:10] those are sooo cool [05:11] i installed skype and gdebi took care of the deps awesome === bojicas [n=bojicas@86.97.219.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:16] I have to say that gdebi could really change third party packaging [05:21] oh my gosh!! no wonder he has karma to the moon === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:21] who? [05:21] seb128 [05:21] https://launchpad.net/people/seb128/+assignedbugs [05:21] https://launchpad.net/people/seb128/+subscribedbugs [05:22] mdke, ping [05:23] lastnode: yeah [05:23] mdke, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SriLankanTeam , the logo, is it a trademark violation? it just occured to me [05:23] i just looked at the Indian guys and thought id go for it [05:23] didn't really strike me [05:24] oh by the way === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@86.97.219.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:24] hope you're not a cricket fan :p [05:25] mdke, i was a fanatic, but after we pwned the world in 1996 [05:25] i stopped watching [05:25] what more is there for a little island to do ;-) === mdke nods [05:25] cricket that's like baseball right ? :) [05:25] a bit [05:25] jjesse, baseball is cricket's illegitimate son [05:25] lastnode: see the trademark page on the website, if in doubt email them to ask [05:25] grin i'm being sarcastic i know what cricket is [05:26] :) [05:26] jjesse++ [05:26] mdke, should i pull the image till then? [05:27] people still play cricket? I thought that was phased out years ago, like rugby ;-) === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:31] ye gods! i have a karma of 16. can someone tell me how that happens? [05:31] what was it? [05:31] 0 [05:31] \o/ [05:31] dont people have to give you karma? [05:32] no === lastnode_ scratches head [05:32] on your LP page there should be a link on the left that says Karma [05:32] karma is your activity [05:32] oh i see [05:33] lastnode: nah [05:33] so you must have done something :-) === lastnode_ has translated a little over the past few days [05:33] it's slow work because technical terms are really hard to turn in to english [05:33] [05:33] i just spelt my name [05:33] but even that's wrong [05:33] wow [05:33] the last letter is a bastardized version [05:33] what language? [05:33] it should be mahaNgu [05:34] jjesse, Sinhala [05:34] nice [05:34] how does my name look in that? [05:34] what's your name? [05:35] jerome [05:35] [05:35] there is a font problem there [05:35] if you noticed [05:35] yeah [05:35] >:( [05:35] i notice it [05:35] it doesn't make any sense to me though, it still looksl ike a bunch of small circles, sorry for that [05:36] its neat though =) [05:36] jsgotangco, it's 3000 years old [05:36] the language i mean [05:36] it's derivative of pali/sanskrit [05:36] whoa [05:37] it's phonetic too, so if you can speak, you can write [05:37] well, in a nutshell [05:37] brb, dinner [05:37] whoa [05:39] jsgotangco, dissecting jerome would look like this [05:39] is j [05:40] is jE [05:40] are you using scim? [05:40] jsgotangco, yeah [05:40] can you write some docs on how to use it :) [05:40] is rrrr [05:40] is ro [05:40] the kubuntu people are hurting for information on how to setup and run with scim [05:40] very interesting... [05:40] jjesse, yeah sure, but im using gnome [05:40] is M [05:41] is jeroME [05:41] :) [05:41] know anyone using kubuntu and scim that could do some documentation? [05:41] ok im done [05:41] who made those fonts? [05:41] jsgotangco, im not even sure [05:41] i prefer out LUG font [05:41] *our [05:41] im in irssi, i don't see a lot of difference... [05:41] except some serif === jsgotangco resizes terminal fonts [05:42] oh right [05:42] yeah it's wierd [05:42] hopefully the lk-lug font will ship with pango next time [05:42] there were patches being made, last i know [05:42] jjesse, id be happy to help with the scim docs though [05:42] but isnt it sKim? [05:43] for kde? [05:43] yes === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:43] hmm [05:43] anyway finally dinner! [05:43] brb [05:43] ciao [05:49] jsgotangco, back, eating === bojicas [n=bojicas@86.97.219.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:50] back, eating === lastnode fires up a debconf video to watch while grubbing [05:51] lastnode: where are the video's at? [05:52] LaserJock, http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/ [05:52] ive only downloaded a few [05:53] already watched Mark's talk, which was nice [05:53] and Anthony Towns' [05:53] watching Brendon's one now [05:54] mmm [05:54] man pages [05:57] lastnode: are there videos for 2006, do you know? === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.40.137] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:58] mdke, i have no clue [05:59] er checked [05:59] mdke, there is one [05:59] http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/debcamp/hacklab_2006-05-09.mp4 [06:01] cool === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:05] Seveas, was that your alter ego that logged in as DapperDrake this afternoon :) [06:06] no [06:07] it was you then? [06:07] aha === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:18] zomg manpages [06:19] hey this isn't world of warcraft ;P [06:20] <[Utah] tristanbob> there are a TON of wiki pages about Java - Do these need to be updated for 6.06? [06:21] yes [06:21] very [06:21] but there shouldn't be a ton [06:21] there should ideally be one, and maybe subpages if necessary [06:21] because now we just turn on mutliverse then apt-get [06:21] but that's only for dapper [06:21] it'll probably work for breezy as well [06:22] it does, if you specify the right packages. blackdown java packages are in breezy [06:22] i meant sun-java [06:23] ah, that isn't in breezy [06:29] hmm, well that didn't exactly go the way I expected [06:30] haha [06:30] that'll teach you [06:30] well, I didn't really think he would have time for it [06:30] but I didn't think I'd be in charge [06:30] oh well [06:31] lol [06:31] he's a nice guy [06:31] but Ian wrote like all the Debian devel docs so I'm a little nervous [06:31] that's what you get for messing with the guy who created dpkg! [06:31] jjesse, you were saying about scim/skim? where do i look [06:32] murdock? === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:33] lastnode: ian jackson [06:33] oh ok [06:34] although Murdock in fact created dpkg, I believe that's right [06:34] he is also the current firefox dude [06:35] yeah that's what im thought, but im likely to be mistaken [06:35] oh no, perhaps not [06:36] it is sort of creepy to look up some of the Ubuntu guys in the Debian site [06:36] i believe he wrote most of the stuff that we use today [06:36] "It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993." [06:36] LaserJock, why? [06:36] but the blueprints were from murdock [06:37] lastnode: well elmo for instance is the ftp master for both Debian and Ubuntu and generally manages to run large parts of both distros [06:38] mmm [06:38] elmo took over from towns? [06:38] hmm looks like iwj wrote this in sgml [06:38] well, I don't know if he is *the* ftp master but he is one of 3 I think [06:39] I can't remember [06:40] i see [06:40] mdz is/was heavily involved in Debian too I think [06:41] yes [06:41] BenC was DPL [06:41] right? [06:41] I was just skimming through the Debian website looking for info [06:41] i met mdz through the debian-arm project [06:41] Ben Collins (April 2001 April 2002) [06:41] I'm not a debian user so I was amazed to see all these familar names [06:41] i was still in openzaurus before [06:42] I can see where Debian could get a little "unhappy" about having a pretty sizable number of key players start working for Ubuntu [06:42] LaserJock: there's also mvo [06:43] yeah [06:43] even mako before [06:43] and enricozini [06:43] (he's here but must be busy so i didnt tab complete his name) [06:43] daniels also [06:44] actually its not that much [06:44] but the impact of those guys in the upstream project is quite big [06:44] iwj is head of the Debian Technical Committee [06:44] seb does the gnome packages doesn't he [06:44] i believe so === jsgotangco not sure [06:45] he works with the debian gnome team, yes [06:45] jdub used to run/work on Debian has well [06:45] LaserJock, check out this video - http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2005/debconf5/mpeg/2005-07-14/02-Ubuntu_Talk-Mark_Shuttleworth.mpeg [06:45] sabdfl mentions many more names [06:45] jdub was/is a gnome dev? [06:46] jdub used to be the gnome release manager [06:46] thar we go [06:46] actually there are a lot of people in other projects [06:46] but when he did IT consulting, he built on Debian, hence the connection there [06:46] like python for instance [06:47] there's also lamont before [06:48] almost everybody canonical hired has about 8 different skills they can use [06:49] :) [06:49] hi jsgotangco, LaserJock :) === jsgotangco wonders if a job history at burger king would help [06:49] enrico! [06:49] hey enrico [06:49] jsgotangco: perhaps [06:49] hi enrico [06:49] here is what we have for Lulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations [06:50] LaserJock: yeah i'll make sure I add, I flipped burgers and dipped onion rings for thousands of customers every month [06:50] mmmm [06:51] those guys sure have lots of translation manpower to spare [06:51] there are a lot more finished now, those are just the finished ones we have in our repo [06:51] and I had to remove quite a few because I didn't know what font to use [06:51] i wish i had dedicated people like them [06:52] czech, russian, polish all had some completed [06:52] i live in a country where there is very little love of the local language [06:52] especially in computer-based literature [06:52] awesome mdke ! [06:53] well, at least the koreans and swedish users will have a good set of docs ;-) j/k [06:53] does anyone know how good translations are in our competing OS's [06:53] where people laugh when they see about gnome in the local tounge and dismiss it as not useful [06:54] robotgeek, for my language, it's virtually nill [06:54] jsgotangco, translation community can help spur the rest of the community (marketing, etc.) into ation [06:55] jsgotangco, we run intot he same issue in Canada [06:55] lastnode: sorry to hear. [06:55] Burgwork: you're native english speakers :P [06:55] yep, hence no instant community [06:55] that is the problem as well [06:55] robotgeek, im just working on translating atm, actually :) [06:55] lastnode: you can change that! [06:56] mdke, of course! [06:56] issue in India is that most people who have access to computers know english already, but i am glad to see translation efforts underway [06:56] Burgwork: although Nokia has done some good work in localising [06:56] [06:56] mdke, that's your first name, right there! [06:56] :P [06:56] actually [06:56] they look like roses [06:56] ive anglo-saxonized it [06:56] it should read [06:56] cool! [06:57] hmm, i can only see weird stuff. utf-8 issues :) [06:57] robotgeek, you need the locale installed [06:57] SI_utf8 [06:57] lastnode: ah, okay [06:58] Burgwork: but you have very little need to translate to en_CA, on my side we have tl_PH but people prefer en_US they are not even aware of en_PH [06:58] hopefully ill have a few more to work with after sunday's DRP [06:58] yep [06:59] me and jdub talked about it before and he informed me the mongols invaded gnome in 6 weeks [06:59] wow [06:59] respect to them [06:59] yeah [07:00] "Alpha Console Firmware" [07:00] hth do i translate that [07:00] xD [07:00] you just remain it as is if you can't translate it [07:01] yeah i know, but there should be translations [07:01] sometimes you can't really [07:01] like in my language, Desktop has an entirely different meaning [07:02] when translated literally [07:02] jsgotangco, for a translation to ship, how much has to be completed? [07:02] anything [07:02] anything [07:02] sometimes its not completed it gets shipped [07:02] it doesn't look good though === dsas [n=dean@host81-129-229-196.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:03] if you're tackling gnome, i'd still go for gnome cvs instead of rosetta [07:03] mdke, even if one is translated it ships? [07:03] i mean one block [07:03] yes [07:03] that's wierd [07:04] whatever rosetta picks up [07:04] then syncs [07:04] all language packs are now processed [07:04] oh right [07:04] so we need to get these out before edgy [07:04] :) [07:04] (but if it doesn't feel free to ping rosetta) [07:04] lastnode: translate dapper, it will get monthly updates [07:05] mdke: really? [07:05] mdke, oh ok [07:05] mdke, keyboard input doesnt work eyt with dapper [07:05] yeah, like previous releases [07:05] i needed to apt-get a deb package for it [07:05] a third party deb package at that [07:05] ah, definitely work with the developers for edgy on that [07:05] gtg [07:06] mdke: is this only for ubuntu-docs or even applications translated in rosetta [07:06] jsgotangco: only applications translated in rosetta. for ubuntu-docs, it depends on how often I will do it [07:06] hokayyy [07:06] yes sir [07:06] :) [07:07] cya === jsgotangco gives mdke the salute [07:10] okayy so edgy will be open in 3 days [07:16] just saw that email [07:18] good night === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bojicas [n=bojicas@86.97.219.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-239.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kermitX_ [n=kermit@unaffiliated/cxg] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@151.25.88.87] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:17] http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch04.html#installnvidiadriver needs a little cleanup for dapper [09:18] kermitX_, that is the old breezy guide [09:18] i don't think we releasd the start guide for dapper [09:18] starter guide is now desktop guide [09:18] check out what the weather looks like outside: http://www.marshillruns.com/images/dsc01040.jpg [09:19] jjesse, cool. Where in the world are you again? [09:19] grand rapids michigan, usa [09:19] the start guide is what's linked from help.ubuntu.com; perhaps labeling it as breezy and referring people to the new guide? [09:19] severe thunderstorm watch right now [09:19] help.ubuntu.com is getting updated [09:20] we are about move the new guides from doc.ubuntu.com to help.ubuntu.com [09:20] ahh. ok. and that would be where the installed system documentation comes from? [09:20] correct [09:20] it is one and the same [09:21] d.u.c is where it is for testng and moved to production at h.u.c [09:21] k. thx. just need to know where to refer ppl to. [09:22] good job, btw on the docs.. better than any other distribution i've ever used. === bojicas [n=bojicas@86.97.219.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-240-229.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-doc === [Utah] tristanbob [i=tristanb@137.190.3.107] has joined #ubuntu-doc === glatzor [n=sebi@ppp-62-245-208-121.mnet-online.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SDPlissken [n=Snake@cpe-68-175-62-79.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:28] hi LaserJock [10:29] hi theCore [10:29] does the docs have been unlocked? [10:30] the docs have always been unlocked [10:30] we just branched Dapper docs, we can still work in ubuntu-docs just fine [10:31] ah, I thought the doc-team was refusing changes, because of the freeze [10:31] no [10:32] we just weren't making changes to the dapper branch [10:32] trunk is still ok [10:34] maybe, I could write something then [10:34] anyway, I want to do some packaging [10:35] great [10:36] maybe I should move to -motu [10:37] that's always a good place to hang out ;-) [10:39] git checkout master [10:39] fark, ewrongwindow [10:41] crimsun: lol, doing some kernel work? [10:56] LaserJock: yeah, until I decided to give my fingers a "break" by attempting to "explain" stuff to neuRo] [10:57] enough of that finger exercise :p [10:57] hehe [10:58] crimsun: I guess I'm taking over the Ubuntu Developer's Reference, you might get to do some more proofreading for edgy :-) [10:58] oh dear :p [10:59] yep [10:59] that's what I said === manicka [n=manicka@ubuntu/member/manicka] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc