| Spec | LaserJock: -some- of us have houses with more than 50 rooms, so it's no problem. | 12:07 |
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| LaserJock | whatever :p | 12:07 |
| Spec | i don't :p | 12:07 |
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| deptrai | hello, I'm making a .deb package, but I don't know how to add a new line to /etc/profile | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | new line in /etc/profile? | 12:32 |
| deptrai | export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" <== I just want to add this | 12:32 |
| deptrai | to change environnement variable | 12:32 |
| crimsun | no, don't do that. | 12:33 |
| deptrai | crimsun: what should I do ? | 12:33 |
| deptrai | because the package need to change environment | 12:34 |
| deptrai | variable | 12:34 |
| deptrai | to run correctly | 12:34 |
| crimsun | deptrai: add a note in README.Debian telling the users to make that change in their own startup files. | 12:34 |
| crimsun | /etc/{environment,profile} are sacred | 12:34 |
| deptrai | crimsun: is there anyway to display a message when user install my package ? | 12:34 |
| deptrai | just for notify them | 12:35 |
| crimsun | deptrai: yes | 12:35 |
| deptrai | crimsun: how ? | 12:35 |
| crimsun | deptrai: there are a few ways, debconf being one | 12:36 |
| deptrai | :-/ | 12:36 |
| deptrai | crimsun: thanks for the keyword, I'll look around | 12:37 |
| crimsun | debconf is more than likely overkill | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | yes | 12:38 |
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| crimsun | zenity, whiptail, ... | 12:39 |
| jaldhar | don't use debconf or a manual prompt. Put it in NEWS.Debian | 12:43 |
| jaldhar | or actually README.Debian now I've read the rest of the conversation | 12:44 |
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| ajmitch | well, looks like #ubuntu is fairly insane still | 12:54 |
| LaserJock | yep | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | someone ranting on debian lists again | 12:55 |
| Arrogance | ajmitch, the natives making you nervous? ;) | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: is there a time when somebody isn't | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: d-d? | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ranting about a 'certain brand new debian-like distribution' | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | & bugs | 12:55 |
| LaserJock | mwuahahaha | 12:56 |
| LaserJock | yeah, because of course Debian has not bugs | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | what happened now? | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | sun people sending out announcements about ubuntu on sparc | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | but the images aren't final yet | 01:06 |
| LaserJock | so what is sparc used for, I'm not imagining it as your typical desktop arch | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | servers | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | and the kernel for the sunfire T1000 has a problem with the network driver | 01:08 |
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| ajmitch | T1000 is one of the new, shiny niagara-based systems | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | luckily I've got T2000s to play on, which have a different network driver | 01:09 |
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| lucas | hiya | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | hi lucas | 01:10 |
| lucas | i wanna join Python Team | 01:10 |
| LaserJock | go for it | 01:10 |
| lucas | where? | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | it's best to join the MOTUs rather than just the python team | 01:10 |
| lucas | hum | 01:11 |
| lucas | yeah | 01:11 |
| lucas | so | 01:11 |
| lucas | i wanna join the motu ^^ | 01:11 |
| LaserJock | lucas: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams | 01:12 |
| ajmitch | of course joining the MOTU team just means doing a lot of work for no pay ;) | 01:13 |
| lucas | of course xD | 01:14 |
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| crimsun | I need about 4 more hours/day | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | only 4? | 01:31 |
| LaserJock | I could use 8 I think | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: that time of year? | 01:37 |
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| crimsun | ajmitch: hehe. Well, it seems everything condensed /today/. Dapper release+merging updates+conference call+[...] | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | ah yes... | 01:38 |
| ajmitch | you're working on updates now? | 01:38 |
| crimsun | yeah, got a whole queue :/ | 01:39 |
| ajmitch | :( | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | I've got a bunch of stuff I need to update as well | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | great, sounds like I've still got a chance of my sound problem being fixed if it still exists ;) | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | I haven't been brave enough to test lately | 01:41 |
| crimsun | the oss/hda bit? | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | alsa & doom3 | 01:41 |
| ajmitch | intel8x0 driver | 01:42 |
| crimsun | oh that's right, you're using alsa for it | 01:42 |
| crimsun | hmm, not snd_hda_intel? | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | not on this motherboard | 01:42 |
| crimsun | k | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | that's for the laptop | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | where I had the realtek codec issue until you patched it | 01:42 |
| crimsun | sorry, too many issues running around :-) | 01:44 |
| ajmitch | yeah :) | 01:44 |
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| ajmitch | well, to do testing actually | 01:48 |
| crimsun | :-) | 01:49 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: did you have a chance to look at my kerberos stuff? | 02:11 |
| ajmitch | at the python wrapper? no, not really | 02:12 |
| bmonty | I'm curious to hear what other people think of the way I set it up, so any comments are appreciated | 02:12 |
| ajmitch | ok :) | 02:14 |
| crimsun | hah! "It wasn't covered by the generic HP entry because of a hardware bug (the SSID is reversed)." | 02:14 |
| crimsun | gotta /love/ manufacturers. | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: might as well package it ;) | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: sounds crazy | 02:15 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: I don't think it is anywhere close to being ready to package | 02:16 |
| ajmitch | it's not | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | but I still have an aversion to installing stuff from source | 02:18 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: it is as simple as "python setup.py install --home=~" and you get the lib in ~/lib/python | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | I know | 02:26 |
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| ajmitch | I still tend to prefer things tidier ;) | 02:27 |
| crimsun | hmm, where's fabbione | 02:27 |
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| ajmitch | still in london, I suppose | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | what sparc breakage are you doing? | 02:28 |
| crimsun | I just need him or another sparc hero to double{, and triple}-check this free_irq/iounmap fix | 02:29 |
| crimsun | it makes sense logically, but I would rather have someone better versed in sparc look at it | 02:30 |
| === ajmitch only uses the system :) | ||
| ajmitch | I don't know the code well enough yet | 02:30 |
| crimsun | oh wait, benc, duh | 02:30 |
| crimsun | I love auditing sound/ once I see a quirk :/ | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: can you uninstall when you do python setup.py? | 02:40 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: rm -rf | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | that's not very nice | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | if you do more than one | 02:44 |
| bmonty | LaserJock: yeah, I think the python setup module can do uninstall | 02:46 |
| bmonty | I take that back, it doesn't appear to have an uninstall option | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | :/ | 02:47 |
| bmonty | my code generates a single file, so it isn't that hard to remove :) | 02:47 |
| LaserJock | I installed bzr on my mac that way but then I got it through fink so I want to uninstall the one I did from source | 02:47 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:08 |
| zakame | hi all! | 03:09 |
| zakame | hi bddebian! | 03:09 |
| bddebian | Heya zakame | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | hey zakame | 03:10 |
| bddebian | ajmitch | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | hi bddebian | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | hi zakame | 03:10 |
| bddebian | Heya LaserJock | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | bddebian | 03:10 |
| zakame | hi ajmitch LaserJock | 03:12 |
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| bugnthecode | this room is quiet. any watching? | 04:53 |
| crimsun | yes, we're just exhausted. What's up? | 04:53 |
| bugnthecode | well, I just got dapper up and going today, and wanted to get into some linux programming, and more importantly maybe contribute to ubuntu | 04:54 |
| crimsun | there are some good links in the /topic if you'd like to start there | 04:54 |
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| bugnthecode | would an amateur developer be able to contribute much? | 04:55 |
| crimsun | absolutely. | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: yeah, this place is great for getting started | 04:55 |
| crimsun | coding's most definitely not the only space for contribution | 04:55 |
| bugnthecode | I saw on the main ubuntu that there were other ways to contribute like spreading the word, and bug testing | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | sure | 04:57 |
| crimsun | yep, #ubuntu-bugs is an /awesome/ place to start, too | 04:57 |
| LaserJock | basically, whatever your interest is, Ubuntu has a place to get involved, not matter your skill level | 04:57 |
| bugnthecode | awesome. | 04:58 |
| bugnthecode | since I'm new to linux development, and team development, are there any tools or specific standards that contributing developers should be using? | 04:58 |
| crimsun | guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 04:59 |
| crimsun | (that may be redirected in a few days to a new location, as I believe there's a wiki migration occurring) | 04:59 |
| LaserJock | nah, that one will stay | 05:00 |
| crimsun | for MOTU specifically, REVU is a valuable tool, and you can find out more about that in the wiki's MOTU section | 05:00 |
| crimsun | LaserJock maintains a packaging guide that you'll find useful | 05:01 |
| bugnthecode | any "standard" development environments or language standards usually used for linux development? | 05:01 |
| crimsun | and as always, just ask when you have questions, though it may take a bit for someone to answer as we're all volunteers | 05:01 |
| crimsun | (well, nearly all volunteers) | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: could you be a little more specific with what you want to do? | 05:02 |
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| bddebian | apt-get install build-essential devscripts :-) | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: do you want to package programs? or write programs? or fix bugs? or .. | 05:02 |
| bddebian | bon apetit crimsun :) | 05:02 |
| bugnthecode | I'm looking to write programs | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: ok, so if you want to do GUIs then the most common widget sets are GTK (Gnome) and QT (KDE) | 05:03 |
| LaserJock | but pretty much any language goes | 05:03 |
| bugnthecode | and what about fixing bugs? | 05:04 |
| bddebian | Except Perl. That's not allowed. ;-P | 05:04 |
| bugnthecode | lol, not a perl lover? | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: ssssh | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: Ubuntu does favor Python somewhat | 05:04 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: we have lots of bug lists and we always need triaging and if you can come up with a patch that's awesome | 05:05 |
| bugnthecode | I've never gone bug hunting, how would I get started with that. I think I'd like to start there first, instead of full blown development. | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | bugnthecode: wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | we have lots to hunt | 05:06 |
| LaserJock | and the major hangout for bug fixing is #ubuntu-bugs | 05:06 |
| bugnthecode | thanks! | 05:07 |
| LaserJock | no problem, that's what we are here for (most of the time) :-) | 05:08 |
| bugnthecode | out of curiosity, what do you do for ubuntu (besides volunteer to answering my newbie linux questions)? | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | I'm on the documentation team and on try to help with Edubuntu | 05:09 |
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| bugnthecode | cool | 05:09 |
| bddebian | I just annoy people :-) | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | and of course try to fix bugs | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | I'm a chemist so I try to work on Science packages here | 05:10 |
| bugnthecode | awesome, I work with a bunch of biochemists | 05:10 |
| Kyral | I spout random anime references :P | 05:11 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:11 |
| Kyral | And now | 05:11 |
| Kyral | TO THE SHOWER!! | 05:11 |
| bddebian | Yeah, Kyral might actually be more annoying than me ;-) | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: and get crazy about hurd :-) | 05:12 |
| Kyral | Jeez, I had to give myself a crash course in Perl today :P | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | ewwww | 05:12 |
| Kyral | but really | 05:12 |
| Kyral | Kyral->shower(); | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | hmm, does free server hosting exist? | 05:21 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, I guess somebody just needs to give me an account on there server ;-) | 05:30 |
| bugnthecode | lol | 05:31 |
| bugnthecode | what kind of hosting are you looking for? | 05:31 |
| LaserJock | well, I'd like to at least have a storage place online | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm often behind firewalls etc, that make it hard to access stuff | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | but maybe I'm just being greedy now ;-) | 05:33 |
| bugnthecode | I've seen some free or really low cost hosting, but they always have that damn limit on bandwidth | 05:33 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: I have a box I set up to be my archive for Ubuntu/Hurd if you want | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | bddebian: thanks for the offer but I don't know that I should be taking away from the Hubuntu project :-) | 05:34 |
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| bddebian | I don't know if I'll ever do it. The Debian folks like Debian and the GNU folks are too zealous for me :-) | 05:36 |
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| LaserJock | I guess I could use the Chemistry department server, but I hate doing that for non-school related stuff | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | and tiber.tauware.de and doc.ubuntu.com probably wouldn't be appropriate for my little personal playground | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | if I could access my school computers it wouldn't be so bad | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | anyway, that is waaay OT | 05:39 |
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| LaserJock | anybody know how to password protect a webpage? | 05:53 |
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| LaserJock | Sp4rKy: could you turn off the public away? thanks. | 05:58 |
| TheMuso | LaserJock: I am assuming that it has something to do with .htaccess files. | 06:00 |
| TheMuso | BTW are you excited about Parris? | 06:00 |
| bddebian | Yeah, you can use .htaccess or there are other methods available | 06:01 |
| crimsun | bddebian: hehe, thanks | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso: yeah, I got my passport and plane tickets (sort of) so I'm feeling a little more excited | 06:03 |
| bddebian | crimsun: ? | 06:03 |
| === TheMuso probably won't feel excited till a few days before he flies out. | ||
| bddebian | Oh, :-) | 06:03 |
| LaserJock | hmm, and how do you find space quotas for a user? | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | sorry for the linux101 here | 06:04 |
| crimsun | ``quota'' or ``fs quota'' depending on the fs | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | hmm, no go. Maybe I don't have a quota | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | yikes, I'm using 1.6GB on the department server | 06:08 |
| bddebian | heh | 06:09 |
| LaserJock | I guess I had a /home backup on there, oops | 06:11 |
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| bddebian | Ack, gnight folks | 06:19 |
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| crimsun | 'night bddebian | 06:20 |
| Sp4rKy | LaserJock, yes i'll do | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | Sp4rKy: thanks :-) | 06:23 |
| Sp4rKy | :) | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | I suppose all the cool people are out at release parties | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | of course | 06:29 |
| ajmitch | which is why I'm still here | 06:29 |
| crimsun | well, bddebian just left, so I guess all the cool people are out :-) | 06:30 |
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| ajmitch | it's just us wannabe developers left | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | yep | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | well, wannabes & laserjock | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | & crimsun | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | who's special for getting a congrats in the kernel changelog | 06:31 |
| whiprush_ | heh | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | hey whiprush_ | 06:32 |
| whiprush_ | only 18 hours until our release party. | 06:32 |
| === ajmitch has no party planned | ||
| LaserJock | I'm just sitting in the kitchen listening to the wife cooking and trying to clean up computers | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 06:33 |
| ajmitch | if only I had a wife to cook for me.. :) | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | well, she is also trying to get me to help ;-) | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | so I'm "working" | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | ah yes | 06:34 |
| whiprush_ | man, the digg unix/linux queue is crammed with *buntu stuff. | 06:34 |
| whiprush_ | crazy. | 06:34 |
| ajmitch | whiprush_: who'd care about that piece of...? | 06:35 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: *shrug* | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | crazy people | 06:35 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: that makes you a ROCK STAR. | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | ah, *finally* twiki lets me register | 06:35 |
| ajmitch | useless POC | 06:35 |
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| ajmitch | whiprush_: how am I a ROCK STAR? | 06:36 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: just felt like fanboing you for a minute. :D | 06:37 |
| whiprush_ | only a minute though, don't push it. | 06:37 |
| ajmitch | heh | 06:37 |
| ajmitch | that's a minute longer than I ever deserve :) | 06:37 |
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| ajmitch | now, my activity for the evening is hot, hot SPECS | 06:38 |
| Kyral | Kyral->bed(); | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: cool, for SoC stuf? | 06:40 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yep | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | & also non-SoC, I think | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | time to write up some draft specs | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | cool | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | I'd like to do that too, but I'm afraid I don't have much for good ideas | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | but I need to do network auth with mithrandir tonight, before he goes away for the weekend | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | jane wants SoC specs by monday | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | JaneW? | 06:43 |
| ajmitch | yes | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | mistress janew, the one with the whip :P | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | scary person | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | yes, sadly she won't be here much longer :/ | 06:45 |
| ajmitch | really? | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | yep | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | she won't even be in Paris | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | :( | 06:45 |
| === ajmitch hasn't kept up with where people will be | ||
| ajmitch | that's sad | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | I've noticed a few silent additions to the canonical flock in various areas | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the long hours and frequent trips | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | like the support team being formed up in montreal | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | doesn't surprise me that there's some turnover in staff though | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | canonical doesn't seem like a place where you can slack off ;) | 06:48 |
| LaserJock | and she has kids, so that's tough | 06:49 |
| whiprush_ | janew is moving on? | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | yep | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | whiprush_: you going to be in paris? | 06:50 |
| whiprush_ | no. | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | ah | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | neither shall I | 06:50 |
| ajmitch | only rock stars like LaserJock :) | 06:50 |
| whiprush_ | I'm hitting the ubucon they're doing after LWE in san francisco though. | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | whiprush_: I was planning on that too | 06:51 |
| whiprush_ | LaserJock: sweet. | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | I live ~ 4hrs drive from there | 06:51 |
| ajmitch | whiprush_: got anything cool queued for the fridge? | 06:51 |
| crimsun | we're missing out on ponies in Paris :(( | 06:51 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: nice, I'm only about 14 hours flight from SF :) | 06:52 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: no, I've been slacking. | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | it's great being in NZ, far away from anywhere & anyone | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | having to pay exorbitant amounts :) | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: no ponies? | 06:52 |
| whiprush_ | spending too much time at work. :-/ | 06:52 |
| ajmitch | never a good sign | 06:52 |
| whiprush_ | well, it's all linux stuff, so it's mostly self inflicted. | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: but you guys had UDU | 06:53 |
| ajmitch | we did | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | and we also have LCA in our region | 06:54 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: today I had what I call a "cool" emergency ... one of the windows labs blew up so the prof had to move it at the last minute to our new dapper lab. | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | this year being better than most for LCA | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | whiprush_: haha, nice | 06:54 |
| whiprush_ | So I stayed after to help students learn the new stuff. | 06:54 |
| whiprush_ | took all night, but rewarding. | 06:54 |
| ajmitch | what new stuff did you have to show? | 06:55 |
| whiprush_ | well, some commercial CAD apps on amd64. | 06:55 |
| whiprush_ | I was supposed to test it all summer, but it was either cancel it or send 40 people home. | 06:55 |
| whiprush_ | so we just let them loose on the dapper lab. | 06:55 |
| whiprush_ | ended up working great. | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | you using ldap/kerberos there? :) | 06:56 |
| whiprush_ | all those little memory optimizations add up when you have all of them on one server | 06:56 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: yep. :D | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | cool | 06:56 |
| ajmitch | give me your feature requests, your problems.. | 06:57 |
| whiprush_ | printing even worked ootb, I didn't expect that. | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | I talked to the deparment sys admin (a CS major) and he said that our uni got rid of most of the linux lab :( | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: typical | 06:57 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: I've requisitioned some servers and planned to throw them into your SoC testing cause. | 06:57 |
| ajmitch | whiprush_: you are my hero | 06:57 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: yeah, not ready soon, but probably by the time you're ready to test. | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: what do you need testing for? | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ldap+kerberos client & server setup | 06:58 |
| ajmitch | bmonty has also offered to sacrifice a few chickens for the cause | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | hehe | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | dang it, sometimes I wish I was a CS major so this could be more than a 40hr a week hobby :-) | 06:59 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 07:00 |
| whiprush_ | I am starting my CS masters in the fall, not looking forward to it. | 07:00 |
| ajmitch | whiprush_: interesting, what in? | 07:00 |
| crimsun | I think if you were a CS major, you'd quickly wish for something different ;-) | 07:00 |
| whiprush_ | they just started a more practical program at my U, less math/theory, more practical deployment/networking stuff. | 07:01 |
| whiprush_ | It's more of an "IT" type course, but under CS. | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | nice | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | sounds like some of the telecommunications stuff here | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | I'm 4 years into my PhD so I think it is a little late to switch majors :-) | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | which I've been involved with | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: never! | 07:02 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: yeah my undergrad is in telecomm. | 07:02 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: just get another | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure his wife would love that | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | I've been thinking about the possibility of working for a chemistry software company | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I'd be dead, not doubt about it | 07:02 |
| crimsun | your wife won't allow you to work for a software development firm? | 07:03 |
| ajmitch | I think the death threats would be from doing another PHD | 07:03 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: they offer some undergrad "open source" classes, but they're not very good. | 07:03 |
| whiprush_ | in our area the top oss-friendly programs are at the university of michigan, which has a program I could never get into. | 07:04 |
| crimsun | oh man, I'm being dragged away from my research this summer to teach a course on Linux fundamentals. I am totally bringing ponies. | 07:04 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: take some ponies to paris | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | smuggle them through customs | 07:05 |
| whiprush_ | If only we had a linux course. I'm having a hard time dragging our greybeard UNIX faculty away from solaris 8. | 07:05 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: I'm not able to go, which is why we're missing out :/ | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: oh :( | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | chronic pony shortage then | 07:05 |
| whiprush_ | crimsun: what are is your research in? | 07:06 |
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| whiprush_ | crimsun: area I mean. | 07:07 |
| crimsun | whiprush_: grid computing, but this summer I'm messing with autonomous agents | 07:07 |
| whiprush_ | sounds neat. | 07:07 |
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| crimsun | I'm quickly learning that while C++ is nice for simulations, I really miss Python | 07:08 |
| whiprush_ | heh I was about to say "I'd kill for a new faculty guy who was hot on python." | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yes, another PhD | 07:09 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: a real job she'd like :-) | 07:09 |
| crimsun | hmm, there are a few of those in the SoCal area (USCD, UCB) | 07:09 |
| tuxmaniac | morning guys | 07:10 |
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| crimsun | Berkeley, Stanford, and MIT crank out a lot of Ph.D.s quite hot over FLOSS | 07:10 |
| whiprush_ | ajmitch: on the plus side, I've had faculty call me all day asking for an upgrade to dapper, so my life doesn't suck too bad. :D | 07:10 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: I am planning to do a masters cum Phd on Embedded Systems.. Is there any sugestion for me? | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | how I wish I had people begging me for that ;) | 07:11 |
| ajmitch | tuxmaniac: lots of caffeine | 07:11 |
| tuxmaniac | ajmitch: heh. I wanted on some University | 07:12 |
| crimsun | tuxmaniac: hmm, any specifics? | 07:12 |
| tuxmaniac | Embedded Linux RTOS etc | 07:12 |
| tuxmaniac | I meant the device driver layer | 07:12 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: ^ | 07:12 |
| crimsun | tuxmaniac: the European universities are much hotter into that than most US ones, particularly German and Dutch ones | 07:13 |
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| tuxmaniac | crimsun: hmmm.. | 07:13 |
| crimsun | on the other hand, UIUC has a great program for EE/CE/CS | 07:13 |
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| tuxmaniac | crimsun: hmm.. great! But euro univs dont provide financial asistance to international students if i am right? | 07:14 |
| crimsun | tuxmaniac: honestly I don't know | 07:14 |
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| ajmitch | TheMuso: it's not needed :) | 07:15 |
| TheMuso | I am just finishing off a TAFE course here n Aus for IT stuff. Just to get the piece of paper saying that I am capable etc etc. | 07:15 |
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| crimsun | hmph, tauneutrino isn't online, else I'd refer you to her. She's a Buffalo grad who got her M.S. from UTwente | 07:16 |
| TheMuso | The field I intend to get into doesn't have any official certification as far as I know, but I am not interested in doing research. :) | 07:16 |
| crimsun | tuxmaniac: if you're based out of the US, there may be an exchange program | 07:17 |
| crimsun | and you can always scour for a prof going on sabbatical to another country | 07:17 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: thanks. But am from INDIA | 07:18 |
| crimsun | are you based out of IIT? | 07:18 |
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| dholbach | good morning, party folks! :-) | 07:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | hey dholbach! | 07:46 |
| dholbach | hey Gloubiboulga | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | dholbach! | 07:46 |
| ajmitch | dholbach! | 07:47 |
| dholbach | heya LaserJock, ajmitch! | 07:47 |
| ajmitch | how are you? | 07:47 |
| dholbach | just waking up and soon digging into gnome 2.14.x for dapper-updates | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | excellent | 07:48 |
| === ajmitch is already waiting for edgy to open | ||
| ajmitch | then I get get the new 2.6.17 crack | 07:48 |
| ajmitch | or I could just build from git | 07:49 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Me too. | 07:49 |
| TheMuso | I usually wait a few months before jumping abord the new release, but since I intend to get much more heavily involved from now on, I'll be running edgy on everything but a few machines that I need a working system on. :) | 07:50 |
| === dholbach will keep Dapper on the laptop to be able to upload and test gnome 2.14.3 to dapper-updates in august | ||
| dholbach | after that i'll be on dapper everywhere too :-) | 07:52 |
| TheMuso | dapper, or edgy? | 07:54 |
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| LaserJock | time fo bed for me, good night all | 07:59 |
| LaserJock | have a wonderful day | 08:00 |
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| LaserJock | and thanks for all the work, you guys (and Hobbsee) rock! | 08:00 |
| Toadstool | heya motus | 08:05 |
| ajmitch | hi | 08:07 |
| Gloubiboulga | morning Toadstool | 08:08 |
| Toadstool | hi ajmitch & Gloubiboulga | 08:08 |
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| kagou | hi | 08:45 |
| Toadstool | hi kagou | 08:45 |
| kagou | hello Toadstool | 08:45 |
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| AnAnt | when will the repos for the new ubuntu (one after dapper) open ? | 08:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 08:51 |
| TheMuso | Whenever the core devs open it. | 08:51 |
| TheMuso | Hey Hobbsee. | 08:51 |
| TheMuso | What a damn miserable day. | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | edgy released? 2 days after the last person asked. | 08:51 |
| TheMuso | Here in Sydney at least. :) | 08:51 |
| === Hobbsee got called a nerd today :P | ||
| Hobbsee | TheMuso: so true. | 08:51 |
| AnAnt | did you guys modify in the kernel ? | 08:52 |
| AnAnt | I mean add drivers | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 08:52 |
| tuxmaniac | AnAnt: yes. you mean from the vanilla one? | 08:52 |
| Mithrandir | hi Hobbsee, TheMuso | 08:53 |
| AnAnt | because I just tried 2.6.16 kernel & it can't detect my TI card reader | 08:53 |
| AnAnt | I got the 2.6.16 from Debian | 08:53 |
| AnAnt | I got the 2.6.16 from Debian's source package | 08:53 |
| AnAnt | I mean from debian one | 08:53 |
| TheMuso | 2.6.16 needs a newer udev than the one in dapper. | 08:53 |
| tuxmaniac | yes. Ubuntu-kernel team have done a lot of kernel additions | 08:53 |
| tuxmaniac | AnAnt: ^ | 08:53 |
| AnAnt | ic | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | hi Mithrandir | 08:53 |
| tuxmaniac | especially on this udev intereaction | 08:53 |
| TheMuso | as far as I understand from Scott's emails to the dev list re the 2.6.16 thread. | 08:54 |
| tuxmaniac | Mithrandir: Am i right? | 08:54 |
| TheMuso | Hi Mithrandir. | 08:54 |
| AnAnt | well, I wanted the 2.6.16 to operate an MMCplus device | 08:54 |
| tuxmaniac | AnAnt: hm.. | 08:54 |
| AnAnt | so, I think the solution is to use the kernel source from ubuntu's repos then apply the patch for mmcplus | 08:54 |
| Mithrandir | AnAnt: probably. | 08:55 |
| tuxmaniac | peerfect.. See mmcplus drivers are already built into the kern first | 08:55 |
| Mithrandir | tuxmaniac: unsure, I don't watch the udev/kernel stuff too closely. | 08:55 |
| AnAnt | tuxmaniac: huh? | 08:55 |
| tuxmaniac | Mithrandir: aah OK | 08:55 |
| tuxmaniac | AnAnt: naah.. forget it | 08:55 |
| AnAnt | how can I download a patch for a certain kernel file ? | 08:56 |
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| TheMuso | According to an email I have from the dev list here re the 2.6.16 stuff, 2.6.16 has sysfs filesystem structure changes, and udev itself has changed somewhat for newer kernels. | 08:57 |
| tuxmaniac | 2.6.16 still not up on the repos on Ubuntu. its still 2.6.15-23.35 | 08:58 |
| tuxmaniac | benc is still testing it.. | 08:58 |
| AnAnt | tuxmaniac: yeah, unfortunately | 08:58 |
| AnAnt | tuxmaniac: you mean it's on REVU ? | 08:58 |
| TheMuso | I think edgy will be going straight to 2.6.17-rc | 08:58 |
| tuxmaniac | some probs on IA64 arch | 08:59 |
| tuxmaniac | If I remember right | 08:59 |
| crimsun | yes, edgy is 2.6.17-git atm | 08:59 |
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| tuxmaniac | AnAnt: which part of India are you from? | 08:59 |
| AnAnt | tuxmaniac: none | 08:59 |
| Mithrandir | tuxmaniac: our 2.6.15 is almost upstream 2.6.16, though. | 08:59 |
| crimsun | dapper will remain 2.6.15ish | 08:59 |
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| tuxmaniac | Mithrandir: yeah agreed | 08:59 |
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| highvoltage | sorry, just lame joke :) | 09:01 |
| === tuxmaniac hugs highvoltage for his sense of humour :-) | ||
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| tuxmaniac | Mithrandir: Btw then no more releases on the 2.6.16-X | 09:02 |
| === Hobbsee munches happily | ||
| tuxmaniac | for dapper? | 09:03 |
| tuxmaniac | edgy will directly be on a 2.6.17 ? I dint know this | 09:03 |
| AnAnt | is it possible to get the new kernel version thru dapper-backports ? | 09:04 |
| crimsun | not yet, considering edgy isn't even active | 09:04 |
| crimsun | that would/will be a maintenance nightmare, too | 09:04 |
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| AnAnt | I mean, when it becomes active | 09:05 |
| crimsun | I don't know; I think it may be discussed in Paris | 09:05 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: going too? | 09:06 |
| crimsun | tuxmaniac: no, work has me here | 09:06 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: I have some company then :-) | 09:06 |
| AnAnt | I hope Edgy will have PREEMPT kernel | 09:07 |
| TheMuso | Dapper already does. | 09:07 |
| AnAnt | it made my simulations faster | 09:07 |
| AnAnt | TheMuso: yeah, that's why I hope Edgy will continue with that | 09:07 |
| crimsun | it is highly unlikely that preempt support will be removed from the desktop kernels | 09:08 |
| AnAnt | cool | 09:09 |
| AnAnt | is the splash image that appears during booting something put in the kernel ? | 09:10 |
| Mithrandir | no | 09:10 |
| AnAnt | oh | 09:10 |
| Mithrandir | it's entirely userspace and done by usplash | 09:11 |
| AnAnt | because I didn't the splash image when I booted with 2.6.16 kernel that I compiled | 09:11 |
| tuxmaniac | if you custom compile a kernel it goes off | 09:11 |
| AnAnt | why's that? | 09:11 |
| tuxmaniac | you have to configure it back | 09:11 |
| crimsun | that's because you probably didn't update your initramfs for your custom kernel (if you in fact have initr* support enabled) | 09:12 |
| tuxmaniac | Yeah.. I do have | 09:12 |
| tuxmaniac | crimsun: What do I have to do to get it back? | 09:14 |
| crimsun | update-initramfs [-u] | 09:14 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: ok, let's say I get the 2.6.15 kernel source from dapper's repos, and apply a patch & recompile, I still have to do that update thing ? | 09:14 |
| tuxmaniac | But for sure there is something wrong with the udev <-> kernel thing | 09:14 |
| crimsun | AnAnt: yes, though if you use the Ubuntu packaging infrastructure it's done automatically | 09:15 |
| tuxmaniac | when you custom compile 2.6.16 stuff | 09:15 |
| crimsun | tuxmaniac: yep, known | 09:15 |
| tuxmaniac | hmm.. | 09:15 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: what do you mean by Ubuntu packaging infrastructure ? you mean like use make-kpkg ? | 09:15 |
| crimsun | AnAnt: meaning if a deb is generated | 09:16 |
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| crimsun | (yes, using make-kpkg) | 09:16 |
| AnAnt | crimsun: yes, it was generated & I installed the deb file | 09:16 |
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| AnAnt | crimsun: that's what I did with 2.6.16 too | 09:16 |
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| AnAnt | thx | 09:24 |
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| opse3 | what is the dapper equivalent of breezy's nvidia-glx? | 09:32 |
| crimsun | nvidia-glx | 09:33 |
| opse3 | oh, ok, but now there's another problem: if i want to install it (on breezy, in order to upgrade to dapper), it says it want to remove the following packages: nvidia-settings, x-common, xorg-common, xserver-common, busybox-cvs-initramfs | 09:35 |
| opse3 | crimsun ^ | 09:35 |
| opse3 | crimsun: should i accept that? | 09:35 |
| opse3 | crimsun: and, if so, what is the equivalent of nvidia-settings in dapper? | 09:35 |
| opse3 | it wants* | 09:37 |
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| crimsun | none of those are absolutely necessary | 09:38 |
| crimsun | (they're all purged on my system, for instance) | 09:38 |
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| sladen | opse3: let it do its magic | 09:38 |
| crimsun | and the equivalent is, unsurprisingly enough, nvidia-settings :-) | 09:38 |
| sladen | opse3: and then file a bug regarding the fact that 'nvidia-glx' Conflicts: nvidia-settings | 09:39 |
| sladen | (most likely reason is that nvidia-glx now contains that binary) | 09:39 |
| ajmitch | sladen: correct, and nvidia-settings should be removed | 09:39 |
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| ajmitch | the latest update-manager should handle these cases now | 09:40 |
| opse3 | ajmitch: then why does dapper also include nvidia-settings (as crimsun just noted) and as i also just noticed in my synaptic? | 09:40 |
| opse3 | ajmitch: then why does dapper also include nvidia-settings (as crimsun just noted and as i also just noticed in my synaptic)?* | 09:40 |
| opse3 | ajmitch: is update-manager better than apt-get upgrade? | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | yes, update-manager is the recommended upgrade path | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | iirc | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | and I don't know why nvidia-settings is still in the repository for dapper | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee|Icicle | hi ajmitch and opse3 | 09:43 |
| opse3 | ajmitch: but i must do the upgrade in more sessions | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | hi | 09:43 |
| opse3 | ajmitch: update-manager doesn't allow me to select which packages to upgrade at a time | 09:43 |
| opse3 | Hobbsee|Icicle: hi | 09:43 |
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| ajmitch | morning \sh | 10:07 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch ping | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yes? | 11:06 |
| === ajmitch is just eating dinner & then doing spec stuff | ||
| imbrandon | heya are you familiar with building a pkg for revu ? | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:06 |
| imbrandon | i have the package bulding fine with debuild the way i like but dont i need to build it with -S or -S -sa for revu ? | 11:06 |
| Hobbsee | mmm...dinner... | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | i've never done a revu before | 11:07 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yes you do | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | you must build with -S -sa | 11:07 |
| imbrandon | ok -S -sa kk thanks , i think i got the rest down pat | 11:07 |
| === imbrandon being the lazy one , whats -S -sa or should i just man debuild ;) | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: means include sources | 11:08 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 11:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: write a shell script for it - it's quicker. | 11:08 |
| imbrandon | its only one perl file and one conf file so the src would be included anyhow hehehe but yea | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | having source included != source debian package | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | since we need to review the debian/ dir | 11:09 |
| imbrandon | yea ajmitch i got it, i just meant in general | 11:09 |
| imbrandon | kinda brain fart | 11:09 |
| imbrandon | as far as pure source that is | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: ping | 11:11 |
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| \sh | jo | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | hi \sh | 11:14 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: can we delay until the hour? | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | sure | 11:14 |
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| opse3 | what is the name of the app that checks all orphans which {{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}} can be safely removed? | 11:53 |
| opse3 | the "{{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}}" is mandatory | 11:53 |
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| ajmitch | alright. | 12:04 |
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| imbrandon | opse3, deborphan ? | 12:07 |
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| sivang | I will help you over the package | 12:12 |
| sivang | is it a python tol? | 12:12 |
| imbrandon | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2352 <--- if any MOTU's wanna have a look for me | 12:14 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: free now? | 12:15 |
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| ajmitch | hey schweeb | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: so this is something that someone else has done, and you've just made a couple of changes? | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch yes , and its currently not in debian or dapper ( would like to target edgy ) | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | the official one can be found at http://apt-mirror.sf.net | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: hiya | 12:18 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: sorry about the delay | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | then you'd need to fix the version numbers such that it's -0ubuntu1 or similar | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | ok , wasent sure on that since it wasent in debian | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: alright, no problem :) | 12:19 |
| imbrandon | is there a way to fix that upload or just reupload ? | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: reupload, and the upstream should be educated as to what an orig.tar.gz is | 12:20 |
| imbrandon | ok | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: where shall we start? | 12:21 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: you've been speccing out some more, haven't you? | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | yes, it's not up on the wiki | 12:22 |
| ajmitch | a few changes locally | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | also, should we discuss this here or in #ubuntu-networkauth or something? | 12:22 |
| === ajmitch has gobby session running if we want to do it that way | ||
| Mithrandir | gobby works for me, I just need to install it | 12:22 |
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| imbrandon | ajmitch : ok re-uploaded http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2353 | 12:30 |
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| opse3 | imbrandon: i don't think deborphan has any idea what an official dapper must include by default. | 12:43 |
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| TheMuso | If one uses qemu tools to create a vmdk, how does one then create the vmx file for vmware-player? | 01:34 |
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| imbrandon | TheMuso, by hand with nano or such | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | its justa txt file | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | But what do you put in it? | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | c | 01:35 |
| TheMuso | ....not that. :) | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | one sec | 01:35 |
| imbrandon | here is an online form to build one for you | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | http://www.easyvmx.com/expertform.shtml | 01:36 |
| imbrandon | then you can tweak it with <fav txt editor here> as needed | 01:36 |
| TheMuso | Thanks. | 01:37 |
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| zul | heylo | 01:40 |
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| imbrandon | heya zul | 01:52 |
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| zul | hey imbrandon | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | zul! | 01:54 |
| zul | stalker! | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:54 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:54 |
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| HiddenHobbsee | hey zul | 01:59 |
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| opse3 | what is the name of the app that checks all orphans which {{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}} can be safely removed? | 03:21 |
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| opse3 | the "{{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}}" is mandatory | 03:22 |
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| havoc | morning | 03:33 |
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| havoc | so, what's the state of ubuntu *writing* to NTFS partitions, like in a bual-coot env? | 03:34 |
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| opse3 | havoc: maybe you mean reading, not writing. | 03:35 |
| havoc | nope, I want to write | 03:36 |
| havoc | reading isn't a problem | 03:36 |
| thierryn | ajmitch : can you change the topic now that dapper has been released? | 03:36 |
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| havoc | I've heard of 'captive', which apparently uses ntfs.sys directly or something | 03:36 |
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| opse3 | havoc: iirc, there are legal issues with captive | 03:39 |
| havoc | ah | 03:39 |
| opse3 | havoc: however, maybe you should ask on #ubuntu-devel | 03:40 |
| havoc | I was just curious | 03:40 |
| opse3 | havoc: there may be some unofficial repos that include this, though | 03:40 |
| opse3 | thierryn: what would need to be changed in the current topic? | 03:40 |
| havoc | figured ajmitch, ogra, or chillywilly might have something to say about it, but they're not here right now | 03:40 |
| thierryn | opse3 : to remove the fact that we are in feature freeze and say something like "yeah we realeased dapper drake!" | 03:44 |
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| opse3 | thierryn: oh, hadn't noticed that | 03:54 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:55 |
| havoc | bddebian: hiya | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Hello havoc | 03:56 |
| havoc | I may *finally* install ubuntu (on my vaio), now that I've finally figured out how to replace the hdd | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Great | 03:58 |
| havoc | got a 120gb hdd coming today :) | 03:58 |
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| tuxmaniac | bddebian: booo | 04:37 |
| tuxmaniac | heya gang | 04:37 |
| bddebian | Heh, hi tuxmaniac | 04:40 |
| tuxmaniac | bddebian: howdy | 04:40 |
| tuxmaniac | bddebian: brb | 04:40 |
| tuxmaniac | am outside | 04:40 |
| tuxmaniac | see ya | 04:41 |
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| LaserJock | morning people | 04:46 |
| Hobbsee | hey LaserJock | 04:46 |
| === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. | ||
| === Hobbsee thumps StevenK very hard. | ||
| LaserJock | Hobbsee! | 04:47 |
| === Hobbsee mutters about horrible people | ||
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: :) | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: you do any Dapper partying last night? | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | LaserJock: i did not - i found a kubuntu user today though | 04:47 |
| Hobbsee | didnt party :( | 04:47 |
| === Hobbsee does not party though | ||
| LaserJock | me neither | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | I just hung out here | 04:48 |
| === StevenK didn't either. | ||
| LaserJock | gosh, we are boring :-) | 04:48 |
| StevenK | I had to get home, otherwise I would have gone out and watched other people drink beer. | 04:51 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:52 |
| === Hobbsee is always boring. | ||
| StevenK | Hobbsee: You? In #ubuntu-devel? | 04:54 |
| === StevenK double checks. | ||
| Hobbsee | StevenK: yeah, for the moment | 04:54 |
| StevenK | Gasp. | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | dont die of shock : | 04:54 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:54 |
| \sh | I partied 2 times | 04:55 |
| \sh | before and after the release | 04:55 |
| \sh | now we have 20 more kubuntu fans in this company | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | cool | 04:56 |
| bddebian | Hehe, heya LaserJock | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | are you boring too bddebian? | 05:02 |
| zul | yeah he is :) | 05:03 |
| \sh | ok..going home | 05:06 |
| bddebian | LaserJock: Yep :'-( | 05:07 |
| Kyral_Laptop | anyone decent with perl? | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | no | 05:08 |
| Kyral_Laptop | psh | 05:09 |
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| Hobbsee | LaserJock: of course i do :P | 05:49 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee: tricked ya didn't I, hehe :-) | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | you're all big scary horrible people :P | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | @time sydney | 05:50 |
| Ubugtu | Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 03 2006, 01:50:14 | 05:50 |
| crimsun | what? bddebian can't be boring, he's a deity | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | you sayin' I'm fat? | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm.... | 05:50 |
| Hobbsee | i said nothing of the sort. | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | you said "big" | 05:50 |
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| Hobbsee | yes, big as in tall. | 05:50 |
| LaserJock | the scary and horrible, well that might apply ;-) | 05:50 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:51 |
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| Hobbsee | LaserJock: if i do eventually come to a dev meetup, i'll make sure i ignore you, so you have a basis to believe that i hate you. how's that sound? | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | :'( | 05:57 |
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| Hobbsee | :P | 05:58 |
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| bddebian | crimsun: I hate you! ;-P | 06:06 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: whyever so, hehe? | 06:07 |
| bddebian | Hobbsee: Because he mocks me because I'm st00pid | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | ah :P | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | oh yes, from above | 06:07 |
| === Hobbsee is a bit slow after 2am.. | ||
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| tuxmaniac | hi jpatrick | 06:11 |
| tuxmaniac | how are you? | 06:11 |
| jpatrick | hi tuxmaniac | 06:11 |
| tuxmaniac | jpatrick: Long time no see.. So celbrated Dapper? | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | hey jpatrick and tuxmaniac | 06:11 |
| tuxmaniac | hi Hobbsee | 06:11 |
| jpatrick | tuxmaniac: no nothing/noone to celebrate with | 06:11 |
| jpatrick | tuxmaniac: I'm okay, I guess, how about you? | 06:14 |
| tuxmaniac | jpatrick: aah, doing good. Just that dapper has made life simple and not testing my hcking skills. :-) | 06:15 |
| thierryn | If I want to update my chroot, do I put edgy as the distribution? | 06:15 |
| bddebian | thierryn: AFAIK, edgy repo isn't open yet | 06:16 |
| thierryn | k thanks | 06:16 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 06:43 |
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| bddebian | Heya Tonio_ | 06:48 |
| Tonio_ | hey bddebian :) | 06:48 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | It works... | 07:19 |
| Kyral_Laptop | hehe | 07:19 |
| Kyral_Laptop | the perl rewrite of my script :D | 07:19 |
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| WolfPython | hi, | 09:34 |
| WolfPython | I need some getting started with packaging. | 09:35 |
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| Bluekuja | WolfPython, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ | 09:36 |
| WolfPython | Can you guys give me some advise on where to start? Any recommended doc or book to read? | 09:36 |
| Bluekuja | http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html for libraries | 09:36 |
| Bluekuja | read also debian policy and so on, anyway it's all linked in New Maint guide document | 09:37 |
| WolfPython | Wow. So it is true! You guys ARE really help full. Thank you. I will look into all of those. | 09:38 |
| Bluekuja | ok great :) | 09:38 |
| WolfPython | Does the motu-school a live? | 09:38 |
| WolfPython | I read it in the archives | 09:38 |
| Bluekuja | do you mean motu-school team? | 09:39 |
| Bluekuja | or what? | 09:39 |
| WolfPython | yes. sorry | 09:40 |
| Bluekuja | anyway if you have problems with packaging just ask and someone will answer you as soon as possible | 09:40 |
| crimsun | WolfPython: start with the packaging guide | 09:42 |
| Bluekuja | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html | 09:42 |
| Bluekuja | here it is | 09:42 |
| WolfPython | ok. thank you.:) | 09:42 |
| crimsun | WolfPython: the school hasn't been active in some months due to everyone being busy | 09:43 |
| Bluekuja | it's a very nice guide, it will be easier to start with | 09:43 |
| siretart | hey crimsun | 09:43 |
| crimsun | hullo siretart | 09:43 |
| siretart | crimsun: do you happen to know if darren salt ircs? | 09:43 |
| crimsun | siretart: I don't know, sorry | 09:43 |
| siretart | I don't think so, but I'm not sure either | 09:44 |
| WolfPython | curimsun: Is there a mailing list to subscribe so I will not miss it when it gets active? | 09:46 |
| crimsun | WolfPython: ubuntu-motu | 09:47 |
| WolfPython | Thank you | 09:47 |
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| bddebian | Later gang | 10:11 |
| crimsun | cya bddebian | 10:11 |
| bddebian | Later crimsun | 10:11 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | hmm | 10:25 |
| Kyral_Laptop | I'm gonna have to block glibc upgrades on my server | 10:25 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Xen no like the glibc in the repos | 10:26 |
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| LaserJock | hi \sh | 10:28 |
| \sh | re | 10:29 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | ...and I also have to recompile gcc... | 10:34 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | Sometimes Sarge is a PAIN | 10:34 |
| crimsun | um...ok...so is {s,}he going to join? | 10:43 |
| crimsun | oh good | 10:43 |
| Kyral_Laptop | huh? | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | don't know | 10:43 |
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| crimsun | neuRo] : what LaserJock is referring to is that you need deb-src lines uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list | 10:44 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | Actually you don't... | 10:44 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Oh can I make a suggestion. For Edgy if we want to include Xen, we are gonna have to recompile Glibc | 10:44 |
| Kyral_Laptop | or change its compile flags | 10:44 |
| neuRo] | i am on windows right now, i'm abut to install ubuntu on a new partition and i want to get the source-code so i can play with the os | 10:45 |
| neuRo] | or read it.. whichever. | 10:45 |
| Kyral_Laptop | ah then you do | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : it is much easier once you install it | 10:45 |
| Kyral_Laptop | an...dude....unless you like ASM lol | 10:45 |
| Yagisan | Kyral_Laptop: I like ASM | 10:45 |
| neuRo] | asm is great. | 10:45 |
| Kyral_Laptop | ...you are freaks... | 10:46 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : the source packages are available at any mirror: http://somemirror/ubuntu/pool/ | 10:46 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : however, you can also retrieve the source using links from http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package | 10:46 |
| neuRo] | all i see is a ton of folders with deb files | 10:46 |
| Yagisan | Kyral_Laptop: I learned to code in ASM | 10:46 |
| neuRo] | not source. | 10:46 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : by far the easiest way [once you're running Ubuntu] is to enable the deb-src lines and then ``apt-get source package'' | 10:46 |
| Yagisan | neuRo] : look carefully. that is the source | 10:47 |
| neuRo] | there's no way to just download the entire OS's source with all of the c/c++ files intact at once | 10:47 |
| neuRo] | without this whole annoying package/deb/whatever stuff | 10:47 |
| Kyral_Laptop | The entire OS | 10:47 |
| Kyral_Laptop | is HOW many packages?! | 10:47 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : red hat provides that, iirc | 10:47 |
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| neuRo] | i don't care how many packages there are | 10:47 |
| Kyral_Laptop | ..... | 10:47 |
| Kyral_Laptop | and the mirror is HOW big?! | 10:47 |
| Kyral_Laptop | On the scale of a couple hundred GB for the source? | 10:48 |
| neuRo] | i just want everything in a folder like /dev/ubuntusrc or something | 10:48 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : currently no Ubuntu archive distributes an image that you're asking for | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : hmm, that would take a lot of time and bandwith | 10:48 |
| crimsun | we're talking something like 110 GB | 10:48 |
| Yagisan | neuRo] : you'd need to make it yourself then | 10:48 |
| Kyral_Laptop | and you do realize that Ubuntu is a Linux Distro, Ubuntu != Linux :P | 10:48 |
| Kyral_Laptop | err | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | wait | 10:49 |
| neuRo] | the source-code for the latest of each of these packages all extracted to simple C/C++ code wouldn't possibly encompass more than 10 GB | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | damn that has two trues | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | neuRo] : they all aren't in C | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | You have every language represented | 10:49 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : yes, but you asked for the distro+source code, which is precisely what "pool" is. | 10:49 |
| Yagisan | neuRo] : you'd be so wrong, it's not funny | 10:49 |
| neuRo] | i just want the C stuff. | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | ... | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | That would take one HELL of a grep | 10:49 |
| neuRo] | why the hell would you guys go and overcomplicate everything? | 10:49 |
| Kyral_Laptop | why am I getting suspcious? | 10:50 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : what you want is orig.tar.gz+diff.gz for every package offered | 10:50 |
| Yagisan | neuRo] : we don't. you have an unreasonable request | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : that is very hard to determine, we have thousands of packages from thousands of authors | 10:50 |
| Kyral_Laptop | You do realize that whatever you do with them you have to abide by their licenses | 10:50 |
| neuRo] | i want the source to the distro, not to every package you can download for the distro | 10:50 |
| Kyral_Laptop | .... | 10:50 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | Oh that is a good one | 10:50 |
| neuRo] | you guys just don't understand. | 10:50 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : ok, what are you calling "distro?" | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : the distro is made up of thousands of packages | 10:50 |
| \sh | it's not BSD | 10:51 |
| Yagisan | neuRo] : are you high ? | 10:51 |
| Kyral_Laptop | I am VERY suspcious now | 10:51 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : are you referring to the live cd that you can install? | 10:51 |
| Kyral_Laptop | I want to know what he wants them for | 10:51 |
| Yagisan | theft ? | 10:51 |
| crimsun | a leaked beta iso? | 10:51 |
| \sh | emerge ubuntu | 10:51 |
| Kyral_Laptop | We already give them away via GPL and the various FSF license | 10:51 |
| Yagisan | sorry, I meant forking without the copyright notices attached | 10:52 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : if you would clarify what you mean by "distro," that would help. | 10:52 |
| crimsun | we think of "distro" as the entire "pool" of available packages. | 10:52 |
| neuRo] | i'd like them because i would very much like to be able to modify anything in the OS i'm using | 10:52 |
| crimsun | what is "them"? | 10:52 |
| Kyral_Laptop | The funny part is that you can apt-get install gentoo | 10:53 |
| \sh | hum? | 10:53 |
| neuRo] | them = source | 10:53 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral_Laptop: but it is a file manager :-) | 10:53 |
| crimsun | source to what, all possible packages or just the ones on the live/install cd? | 10:53 |
| \sh | neuRo] : man debmirror | 10:53 |
| neuRo] | the ones that come with the install | 10:53 |
| Yagisan | Kyral_Laptop: yeah. that file manager was around a long time before the gentoo distro was | 10:53 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Someone just give him a link to the GNU Website | 10:53 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Yagisan: I know :P | 10:53 |
| Kyral_Laptop | or if he really wants source | 10:53 |
| \sh | neuRo] : apt-get source debian-installer | 10:53 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : then you'll want to look at what's seeded and just retrieve the orig.tar.gz+diff.gz for those packages | 10:53 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | You THINK? | 10:54 |
| Kyral_Laptop | lol | 10:54 |
| Kyral_Laptop | No MS Cloak :P | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : the problem is that the code isn't one big pile of source code, each app has it's own source | 10:55 |
| Yagisan | Kyral_Laptop: well, I'd need to get a picture, as looking at LOTR I don't think their fingers could type, but I may be wrong | 10:56 |
| Kyral_Laptop | ... | 10:56 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Yagisan: that was horrible | 10:56 |
| Yagisan | Kyral_Laptop: thank you. | 10:56 |
| neuRo] | i know | 10:56 |
| neuRo] | i don't want the source for all the apps like the notepad/word processor/etc | 10:57 |
| Kyral_Laptop | If you want the Kernel source | 10:57 |
| neuRo] | just the OS itself, the desktop and what runs what you see | 10:57 |
| Kyral_Laptop | www.kernel.org | 10:57 |
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| Kyral_Laptop | I think he fails to see the non-definition of OS here | 10:57 |
| \sh | neuRo] : debmirror and put in as section "main" | 10:57 |
| Yagisan | neuRo] : we sent you a link to all the source of the OS | 10:57 |
| crimsun | neuRo] : look at the source package ubuntu-meta, and in particular, look inside ubuntu-meta at ubuntu-desktop | 10:57 |
| Kyral_Laptop | GNU/Linux is the OS | 10:57 |
| Kyral_Laptop | Ubuntu is a flavor | 10:58 |
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| Yagisan | bbl | 10:58 |
| \sh | Kyral_Laptop: it's named "Linux" not GNU/Linux. | 10:59 |
| \sh | the kernel actually | 10:59 |
| Kyral_Laptop | yes | 10:59 |
| Kyral_Laptop | and the Kernel + all the other stuff is...? | 10:59 |
| Kyral_Laptop | GNU/Linux :P | 10:59 |
| Kyral_Laptop | and lets not have this fight :P | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | I really couldn't care less what it's called :-) | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | I just know Ubuntu rocks | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : the problem is that you are still looking at trying to get the source for hundreds of packages | 11:01 |
| \sh | Kyral_Laptop: hehe | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : we don't have an easy mechanism for that. 99.99% of the time people want to get the source for just one or two packages at a time | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : and that is pretty straight forward | 11:01 |
| neuRo] | i just want the source for the core of ubuntu, do you understand or not? | 11:01 |
| Erl[Work] | hello all. Now that Dapper is release, will some MOTU check my package for kpl? | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | neuRo] : I'm guessing that would be the kernel, and you can look at kernel.org for that | 11:02 |
| Bazzi | neuRo] : there is no such thing as "core of ubuntu" | 11:02 |
| Bazzi | except for the kernel as core.. sudo apt-get install linux-source | 11:02 |
| LaserJock | Erl[Work] : edgy hasn't opened up yet and we are still sort of in shell shock I think. Give us a few days :-) | 11:03 |
| Erl[Work] | LaserJock: np ;p I kinda already know what you'll think of it so it'll give me some time to review that. | 11:03 |
| Erl[Work] | I want to get involved more seriously for Edgy. | 11:04 |
| Kyral_Laptop | neuRo] : you don't understand the modular nature of the beast | 11:04 |
| Kyral_Laptop | If there is ANY core it is either ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-base | 11:05 |
| neuRo] | LaserJock: pm | 11:05 |
| Kyral_Laptop | oy this is suspcious | 11:07 |
| Bazzi | conspiracy of one | 11:08 |
| Kyral_Laptop | if source is what he's after..give him Gentoo or LFS | 11:08 |
| Erl[Work] | Is there a channel for the backport team? | 11:08 |
| LaserJock | possibly | 11:10 |
| LaserJock | is there much of a team? | 11:10 |
| Bazzi | damn, #ubuntu is really overcrowded atm | 11:10 |
| jpatrick | Bazzi: that's a great album | 11:11 |
| Erl[Work] | LaserJock: there is a mailing list | 11:11 |
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| Erl[Work] | there is a Backporters team... it's small | 11:12 |
| LaserJock | jdong and mez? | 11:13 |
| Erl[Work] | I guess. | 11:15 |
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| jpatrick | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters | 11:18 |
| siretart | Erl[Work] : we have some ppl who worked on backports. unfortunately, there hasn't been much activity from them lately. | 11:20 |
| LaserJock | I think if the backport policy was better it might get more activity | 11:21 |
| Erl[Work] | I'd be interested in working on that a bit. | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | for goodness sakes, I can't find an xfig-like app to save my life :( | 11:38 |
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