[12:07] LaserJock: -some- of us have houses with more than 50 rooms, so it's no problem. [12:07] whatever :p [12:07] i don't :p === deptrai [n=ninhdq@xinhgai.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] hello, I'm making a .deb package, but I don't know how to add a new line to /etc/profile [12:32] new line in /etc/profile? [12:32] export GTK_IM_MODULE="xim" <== I just want to add this [12:32] to change environnement variable [12:33] no, don't do that. [12:33] crimsun: what should I do ? [12:34] because the package need to change environment [12:34] variable [12:34] to run correctly [12:34] deptrai: add a note in README.Debian telling the users to make that change in their own startup files. [12:34] /etc/{environment,profile} are sacred [12:34] crimsun: is there anyway to display a message when user install my package ? [12:35] just for notify them [12:35] deptrai: yes [12:35] crimsun: how ? [12:36] deptrai: there are a few ways, debconf being one [12:36] :-/ [12:37] crimsun: thanks for the keyword, I'll look around [12:37] debconf is more than likely overkill [12:38] yes === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] zenity, whiptail, ... [12:43] don't use debconf or a manual prompt. Put it in NEWS.Debian [12:44] or actually README.Debian now I've read the rest of the conversation === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.145.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:54] well, looks like #ubuntu is fairly insane still [12:54] yep [12:55] someone ranting on debian lists again [12:55] ajmitch, the natives making you nervous? ;) [12:55] ajmitch: is there a time when somebody isn't [12:55] ajmitch: d-d? [12:55] LaserJock: ranting about a 'certain brand new debian-like distribution' [12:55] & bugs [12:56] mwuahahaha [12:56] yeah, because of course Debian has not bugs [01:06] sigh [01:06] what happened now? [01:06] sun people sending out announcements about ubuntu on sparc [01:06] but the images aren't final yet [01:07] so what is sparc used for, I'm not imagining it as your typical desktop arch [01:08] servers [01:08] and the kernel for the sunfire T1000 has a problem with the network driver === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@d021073.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:08] T1000 is one of the new, shiny niagara-based systems [01:09] luckily I've got T2000s to play on, which have a different network driver === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@201009049219.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] hiya [01:10] hi lucas [01:10] i wanna join Python Team [01:10] go for it [01:10] where? [01:10] it's best to join the MOTUs rather than just the python team [01:11] hum [01:11] yeah [01:11] so [01:11] i wanna join the motu ^^ [01:12] lucas: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams [01:13] of course joining the MOTU team just means doing a lot of work for no pay ;) [01:14] of course xD === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] I need about 4 more hours/day [01:31] only 4? [01:31] I could use 8 I think [01:37] crimsun: that time of year? === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] ajmitch: hehe. Well, it seems everything condensed /today/. Dapper release+merging updates+conference call+[...] [01:38] ah yes... [01:38] you're working on updates now? [01:39] yeah, got a whole queue :/ [01:40] :( [01:40] I've got a bunch of stuff I need to update as well [01:41] great, sounds like I've still got a chance of my sound problem being fixed if it still exists ;) [01:41] I haven't been brave enough to test lately [01:41] the oss/hda bit? [01:41] alsa & doom3 [01:42] intel8x0 driver [01:42] oh that's right, you're using alsa for it [01:42] hmm, not snd_hda_intel? [01:42] not on this motherboard [01:42] k [01:42] that's for the laptop [01:42] where I had the realtek codec issue until you patched it [01:44] sorry, too many issues running around :-) [01:44] yeah :) === ajmitch confesses to having grabbed the daily images to beat off the rush [01:48] well, to do testing actually [01:49] :-) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === redguy [n=mati@afb219.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] ajmitch: did you have a chance to look at my kerberos stuff? [02:12] at the python wrapper? no, not really [02:12] I'm curious to hear what other people think of the way I set it up, so any comments are appreciated [02:14] ok :) [02:14] hah! "It wasn't covered by the generic HP entry because of a hardware bug (the SSID is reversed)." [02:15] gotta /love/ manufacturers. [02:15] bmonty: might as well package it ;) [02:15] crimsun: sounds crazy === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] ajmitch: I don't think it is anywhere close to being ready to package [02:18] it's not [02:18] but I still have an aversion to installing stuff from source === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Spec[x] [n=dragonco@charon.devis.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] ajmitch: it is as simple as "python setup.py install --home=~" and you get the lib in ~/lib/python [02:26] I know === kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] I still tend to prefer things tidier ;) [02:27] hmm, where's fabbione === redguy [n=mati@acn119.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun skips the sparc commit momentarily [02:28] still in london, I suppose [02:28] what sparc breakage are you doing? [02:29] I just need him or another sparc hero to double{, and triple}-check this free_irq/iounmap fix [02:30] it makes sense logically, but I would rather have someone better versed in sparc look at it === ajmitch only uses the system :) [02:30] I don't know the code well enough yet [02:30] oh wait, benc, duh [02:39] I love auditing sound/ once I see a quirk :/ [02:40] bmonty: can you uninstall when you do python setup.py? === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] LaserJock: rm -rf [02:44] that's not very nice [02:44] if you do more than one [02:46] LaserJock: yeah, I think the python setup module can do uninstall [02:47] I take that back, it doesn't appear to have an uninstall option [02:47] :/ [02:47] my code generates a single file, so it isn't that hard to remove :) [02:47] I installed bzr on my mac that way but then I got it through fink so I want to uninstall the one I did from source === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:08] Heya gang [03:09] hi all! [03:09] hi bddebian! [03:09] Heya zakame [03:10] hey zakame [03:10] ajmitch [03:10] hi bddebian [03:10] hi zakame [03:10] Heya LaserJock [03:10] bddebian [03:12] hi ajmitch LaserJock === bmonty [n=bmontgom@ubuntu/member/bmonty] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@unaffiliated/tseng] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SEJeff [n=alicia@74.129.168.9] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-004-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/seth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bugnthecode [n=will@c-67-161-176-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:53] this room is quiet. any watching? [04:53] yes, we're just exhausted. What's up? [04:54] well, I just got dapper up and going today, and wanted to get into some linux programming, and more importantly maybe contribute to ubuntu [04:54] there are some good links in the /topic if you'd like to start there === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] would an amateur developer be able to contribute much? [04:55] absolutely. [04:55] bugnthecode: yeah, this place is great for getting started [04:55] coding's most definitely not the only space for contribution [04:56] I saw on the main ubuntu that there were other ways to contribute like spreading the word, and bug testing [04:57] sure [04:57] yep, #ubuntu-bugs is an /awesome/ place to start, too [04:57] basically, whatever your interest is, Ubuntu has a place to get involved, not matter your skill level [04:58] awesome. [04:58] since I'm new to linux development, and team development, are there any tools or specific standards that contributing developers should be using? [04:59] guidelines are at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [04:59] (that may be redirected in a few days to a new location, as I believe there's a wiki migration occurring) [05:00] nah, that one will stay [05:00] for MOTU specifically, REVU is a valuable tool, and you can find out more about that in the wiki's MOTU section [05:01] LaserJock maintains a packaging guide that you'll find useful [05:01] any "standard" development environments or language standards usually used for linux development? [05:01] and as always, just ask when you have questions, though it may take a bit for someone to answer as we're all volunteers [05:02] (well, nearly all volunteers) [05:02] bugnthecode: could you be a little more specific with what you want to do? === crimsun goes to get dinner [05:02] apt-get install build-essential devscripts :-) [05:02] bugnthecode: do you want to package programs? or write programs? or fix bugs? or .. [05:02] bon apetit crimsun :) [05:02] I'm looking to write programs [05:03] bugnthecode: ok, so if you want to do GUIs then the most common widget sets are GTK (Gnome) and QT (KDE) [05:03] but pretty much any language goes [05:04] and what about fixing bugs? [05:04] Except Perl. That's not allowed. ;-P [05:04] lol, not a perl lover? [05:04] bddebian: ssssh [05:04] bugnthecode: Ubuntu does favor Python somewhat [05:05] bugnthecode: we have lots of bug lists and we always need triaging and if you can come up with a patch that's awesome [05:05] I've never gone bug hunting, how would I get started with that. I think I'd like to start there first, instead of full blown development. [05:06] bugnthecode: wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad [05:06] we have lots to hunt [05:06] and the major hangout for bug fixing is #ubuntu-bugs [05:07] thanks! [05:08] no problem, that's what we are here for (most of the time) :-) [05:08] out of curiosity, what do you do for ubuntu (besides volunteer to answering my newbie linux questions)? [05:09] I'm on the documentation team and on try to help with Edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] cool [05:10] I just annoy people :-) [05:10] and of course try to fix bugs [05:10] I'm a chemist so I try to work on Science packages here [05:10] awesome, I work with a bunch of biochemists [05:11] I spout random anime references :P [05:11] heh [05:11] And now [05:11] TO THE SHOWER!! [05:11] Yeah, Kyral might actually be more annoying than me ;-) [05:12] Kyral: and get crazy about hurd :-) [05:12] Jeez, I had to give myself a crash course in Perl today :P [05:12] ewwww [05:12] but really [05:12] Kyral->shower(); [05:21] hmm, does free server hosting exist? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:30] hmm, I guess somebody just needs to give me an account on there server ;-) [05:31] lol [05:31] what kind of hosting are you looking for? [05:32] well, I'd like to at least have a storage place online [05:33] I'm often behind firewalls etc, that make it hard to access stuff [05:33] but maybe I'm just being greedy now ;-) [05:33] I've seen some free or really low cost hosting, but they always have that damn limit on bandwidth [05:33] LaserJock: I have a box I set up to be my archive for Ubuntu/Hurd if you want [05:34] bddebian: thanks for the offer but I don't know that I should be taking away from the Hubuntu project :-) === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] I don't know if I'll ever do it. The Debian folks like Debian and the GNU folks are too zealous for me :-) === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] I guess I could use the Chemistry department server, but I hate doing that for non-school related stuff [05:37] and tiber.tauware.de and doc.ubuntu.com probably wouldn't be appropriate for my little personal playground [05:37] if I could access my school computers it wouldn't be so bad [05:39] anyway, that is waaay OT === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] anybody know how to password protect a webpage? === Sp4rKy is back (gone 05:52:52) [05:58] Sp4rKy: could you turn off the public away? thanks. [06:00] LaserJock: I am assuming that it has something to do with .htaccess files. [06:00] BTW are you excited about Parris? [06:01] Yeah, you can use .htaccess or there are other methods available [06:02] bddebian: hehe, thanks [06:03] TheMuso: yeah, I got my passport and plane tickets (sort of) so I'm feeling a little more excited [06:03] crimsun: ? === TheMuso probably won't feel excited till a few days before he flies out. [06:03] Oh, :-) [06:04] hmm, and how do you find space quotas for a user? [06:04] sorry for the linux101 here [06:04] ``quota'' or ``fs quota'' depending on the fs [06:06] hmm, no go. Maybe I don't have a quota [06:08] yikes, I'm using 1.6GB on the department server [06:09] heh [06:11] I guess I had a /home backup on there, oops === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:19] Ack, gnight folks === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] 'night bddebian [06:23] LaserJock, yes i'll do [06:23] Sp4rKy: thanks :-) [06:24] :) [06:29] I suppose all the cool people are out at release parties [06:29] of course [06:29] which is why I'm still here [06:30] well, bddebian just left, so I guess all the cool people are out :-) === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] it's just us wannabe developers left [06:30] yep [06:31] well, wannabes & laserjock [06:31] & crimsun [06:31] who's special for getting a congrats in the kernel changelog [06:31] heh [06:32] hey whiprush_ [06:32] only 18 hours until our release party. === ajmitch has no party planned [06:32] I'm just sitting in the kitchen listening to the wife cooking and trying to clean up computers [06:33] hehe [06:33] if only I had a wife to cook for me.. :) [06:34] well, she is also trying to get me to help ;-) [06:34] so I'm "working" [06:34] ah yes [06:34] man, the digg unix/linux queue is crammed with *buntu stuff. [06:34] crazy. [06:35] whiprush_: who'd care about that piece of...? [06:35] ajmitch: *shrug* [06:35] crazy people [06:35] ajmitch: that makes you a ROCK STAR. [06:35] ah, *finally* twiki lets me register [06:35] useless POC === ajmitch blames the dodgy server setup [06:36] whiprush_: how am I a ROCK STAR? [06:37] ajmitch: just felt like fanboing you for a minute. :D [06:37] only a minute though, don't push it. [06:37] heh [06:37] that's a minute longer than I ever deserve :) === ealden [n=ealden@203.76.212.27] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:38] now, my activity for the evening is hot, hot SPECS [06:39] Kyral->bed(); [06:40] ajmitch: cool, for SoC stuf? [06:41] LaserJock: yep [06:41] & also non-SoC, I think [06:41] time to write up some draft specs [06:41] cool [06:42] I'd like to do that too, but I'm afraid I don't have much for good ideas [06:42] but I need to do network auth with mithrandir tonight, before he goes away for the weekend [06:42] jane wants SoC specs by monday [06:43] JaneW? [06:44] yes [06:44] mistress janew, the one with the whip :P [06:44] scary person [06:45] yes, sadly she won't be here much longer :/ [06:45] really? [06:45] yep [06:45] she won't even be in Paris [06:45] :( === ajmitch hasn't kept up with where people will be [06:46] that's sad [06:46] I've noticed a few silent additions to the canonical flock in various areas [06:46] yeah, the long hours and frequent trips [06:46] like the support team being formed up in montreal [06:47] doesn't surprise me that there's some turnover in staff though [06:48] canonical doesn't seem like a place where you can slack off ;) [06:49] and she has kids, so that's tough [06:50] janew is moving on? [06:50] yep [06:50] whiprush_: you going to be in paris? [06:50] no. [06:50] ah [06:50] neither shall I [06:50] only rock stars like LaserJock :) [06:50] I'm hitting the ubucon they're doing after LWE in san francisco though. [06:50] \o/ [06:51] whiprush_: I was planning on that too [06:51] LaserJock: sweet. [06:51] I live ~ 4hrs drive from there [06:51] whiprush_: got anything cool queued for the fridge? [06:51] we're missing out on ponies in Paris :(( [06:52] LaserJock: nice, I'm only about 14 hours flight from SF :) [06:52] ajmitch: no, I've been slacking. [06:52] it's great being in NZ, far away from anywhere & anyone [06:52] having to pay exorbitant amounts :) [06:52] crimsun: no ponies? [06:52] spending too much time at work. :-/ [06:52] never a good sign [06:53] well, it's all linux stuff, so it's mostly self inflicted. [06:53] ajmitch: but you guys had UDU [06:54] we did [06:54] and we also have LCA in our region [06:54] ajmitch: today I had what I call a "cool" emergency ... one of the windows labs blew up so the prof had to move it at the last minute to our new dapper lab. [06:54] this year being better than most for LCA [06:54] whiprush_: haha, nice [06:54] So I stayed after to help students learn the new stuff. [06:54] took all night, but rewarding. [06:55] what new stuff did you have to show? [06:55] well, some commercial CAD apps on amd64. [06:55] I was supposed to test it all summer, but it was either cancel it or send 40 people home. [06:55] so we just let them loose on the dapper lab. [06:56] ended up working great. [06:56] you using ldap/kerberos there? :) [06:56] all those little memory optimizations add up when you have all of them on one server [06:56] ajmitch: yep. :D [06:56] cool [06:57] give me your feature requests, your problems.. [06:57] printing even worked ootb, I didn't expect that. [06:57] I talked to the deparment sys admin (a CS major) and he said that our uni got rid of most of the linux lab :( [06:57] LaserJock: typical [06:57] ajmitch: I've requisitioned some servers and planned to throw them into your SoC testing cause. [06:57] whiprush_: you are my hero [06:58] ajmitch: yeah, not ready soon, but probably by the time you're ready to test. [06:58] ajmitch: what do you need testing for? [06:58] LaserJock: ldap+kerberos client & server setup [06:59] bmonty has also offered to sacrifice a few chickens for the cause [06:59] hehe [06:59] dang it, sometimes I wish I was a CS major so this could be more than a 40hr a week hobby :-) [07:00] hehe [07:00] I am starting my CS masters in the fall, not looking forward to it. [07:00] whiprush_: interesting, what in? [07:00] I think if you were a CS major, you'd quickly wish for something different ;-) [07:01] they just started a more practical program at my U, less math/theory, more practical deployment/networking stuff. [07:01] It's more of an "IT" type course, but under CS. [07:01] nice [07:01] sounds like some of the telecommunications stuff here [07:01] I'm 4 years into my PhD so I think it is a little late to switch majors :-) [07:02] which I've been involved with [07:02] LaserJock: never! [07:02] ajmitch: yeah my undergrad is in telecomm. [07:02] LaserJock: just get another [07:02] I'm sure his wife would love that [07:02] I've been thinking about the possibility of working for a chemistry software company [07:02] ajmitch: I'd be dead, not doubt about it [07:03] your wife won't allow you to work for a software development firm? [07:03] I think the death threats would be from doing another PHD [07:03] ajmitch: they offer some undergrad "open source" classes, but they're not very good. [07:04] in our area the top oss-friendly programs are at the university of michigan, which has a program I could never get into. [07:04] oh man, I'm being dragged away from my research this summer to teach a course on Linux fundamentals. I am totally bringing ponies. [07:05] crimsun: take some ponies to paris [07:05] smuggle them through customs [07:05] If only we had a linux course. I'm having a hard time dragging our greybeard UNIX faculty away from solaris 8. [07:05] ajmitch: I'm not able to go, which is why we're missing out :/ [07:05] crimsun: oh :( [07:05] chronic pony shortage then [07:06] crimsun: what are is your research in? === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:07] crimsun: area I mean. [07:07] whiprush_: grid computing, but this summer I'm messing with autonomous agents [07:07] sounds neat. === ealden_ [n=ealden@203.76.211.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:08] I'm quickly learning that while C++ is nice for simulations, I really miss Python [07:09] heh I was about to say "I'd kill for a new faculty guy who was hot on python." [07:09] ajmitch: yes, another PhD === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.35.186] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:09] ajmitch: a real job she'd like :-) [07:09] hmm, there are a few of those in the SoCal area (USCD, UCB) [07:10] morning guys === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:10] Berkeley, Stanford, and MIT crank out a lot of Ph.D.s quite hot over FLOSS [07:10] ajmitch: on the plus side, I've had faculty call me all day asking for an upgrade to dapper, so my life doesn't suck too bad. :D [07:11] crimsun: I am planning to do a masters cum Phd on Embedded Systems.. Is there any sugestion for me? [07:11] how I wish I had people begging me for that ;) [07:11] tuxmaniac: lots of caffeine [07:12] ajmitch: heh. I wanted on some University [07:12] tuxmaniac: hmm, any specifics? [07:12] Embedded Linux RTOS etc [07:12] I meant the device driver layer [07:12] crimsun: ^ [07:13] tuxmaniac: the European universities are much hotter into that than most US ones, particularly German and Dutch ones === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@vpn2.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:13] crimsun: hmmm.. [07:13] on the other hand, UIUC has a great program for EE/CE/CS === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:14] crimsun: hmm.. great! But euro univs dont provide financial asistance to international students if i am right? [07:14] tuxmaniac: honestly I don't know === TheMuso only has a music degree to his name, and isn't interested in doing any more univercity related study any time soon. ) [07:15] TheMuso: it's not needed :) [07:15] I am just finishing off a TAFE course here n Aus for IT stuff. Just to get the piece of paper saying that I am capable etc etc. === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:16] hmph, tauneutrino isn't online, else I'd refer you to her. She's a Buffalo grad who got her M.S. from UTwente [07:16] The field I intend to get into doesn't have any official certification as far as I know, but I am not interested in doing research. :) [07:17] tuxmaniac: if you're based out of the US, there may be an exchange program [07:17] and you can always scour for a prof going on sabbatical to another country [07:18] crimsun: thanks. But am from INDIA [07:18] are you based out of IIT? === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1FC4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:45] good morning, party folks! :-) [07:46] hey dholbach! [07:46] hey Gloubiboulga [07:46] dholbach! [07:47] dholbach! [07:47] heya LaserJock, ajmitch! [07:47] how are you? [07:48] just waking up and soon digging into gnome 2.14.x for dapper-updates [07:48] excellent === ajmitch is already waiting for edgy to open [07:48] then I get get the new 2.6.17 crack [07:49] or I could just build from git [07:49] ajmitch: Me too. [07:50] I usually wait a few months before jumping abord the new release, but since I intend to get much more heavily involved from now on, I'll be running edgy on everything but a few machines that I need a working system on. :) === dholbach will keep Dapper on the laptop to be able to upload and test gnome 2.14.3 to dapper-updates in august [07:52] after that i'll be on dapper everywhere too :-) [07:54] dapper, or edgy? === aanjhan_ [n=aanjhan@59.92.37.138] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] time fo bed for me, good night all [08:00] have a wonderful day === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:00] and thanks for all the work, you guys (and Hobbsee) rock! [08:05] heya motus [08:07] hi [08:08] morning Toadstool [08:08] hi ajmitch & Gloubiboulga === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou [n=kagou@84.5.160.76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] hi [08:45] hi kagou [08:45] hello Toadstool === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AnAnt [n=anant@62.139.225.211] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] when will the repos for the new ubuntu (one after dapper) open ? === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:51] hi all [08:51] Whenever the core devs open it. [08:51] Hey Hobbsee. [08:51] What a damn miserable day. [08:51] edgy released? 2 days after the last person asked. [08:51] Here in Sydney at least. :) === Hobbsee got called a nerd today :P [08:51] TheMuso: so true. [08:52] did you guys modify in the kernel ? [08:52] I mean add drivers [08:52] yes [08:52] AnAnt: yes. you mean from the vanilla one? [08:53] hi Hobbsee, TheMuso [08:53] because I just tried 2.6.16 kernel & it can't detect my TI card reader [08:53] I got the 2.6.16 from Debian [08:53] I got the 2.6.16 from Debian's source package [08:53] I mean from debian one [08:53] 2.6.16 needs a newer udev than the one in dapper. [08:53] yes. Ubuntu-kernel team have done a lot of kernel additions [08:53] AnAnt: ^ [08:53] ic [08:53] hi Mithrandir [08:53] especially on this udev intereaction [08:54] as far as I understand from Scott's emails to the dev list re the 2.6.16 thread. [08:54] Mithrandir: Am i right? [08:54] Hi Mithrandir. [08:54] well, I wanted the 2.6.16 to operate an MMCplus device [08:54] AnAnt: hm.. [08:54] so, I think the solution is to use the kernel source from ubuntu's repos then apply the patch for mmcplus [08:55] AnAnt: probably. [08:55] peerfect.. See mmcplus drivers are already built into the kern first [08:55] tuxmaniac: unsure, I don't watch the udev/kernel stuff too closely. [08:55] tuxmaniac: huh? [08:55] Mithrandir: aah OK [08:55] AnAnt: naah.. forget it [08:56] how can I download a patch for a certain kernel file ? === bugnthecode [n=will@c-67-161-176-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [08:57] According to an email I have from the dev list here re the 2.6.16 stuff, 2.6.16 has sysfs filesystem structure changes, and udev itself has changed somewhat for newer kernels. [08:58] 2.6.16 still not up on the repos on Ubuntu. its still 2.6.15-23.35 [08:58] benc is still testing it.. [08:58] tuxmaniac: yeah, unfortunately [08:58] tuxmaniac: you mean it's on REVU ? [08:58] I think edgy will be going straight to 2.6.17-rc [08:59] some probs on IA64 arch [08:59] If I remember right [08:59] yes, edgy is 2.6.17-git atm === imbrandon [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] AnAnt: which part of India are you from? [08:59] tuxmaniac: none [08:59] tuxmaniac: our 2.6.15 is almost upstream 2.6.16, though. [08:59] dapper will remain 2.6.15ish === highvoltage would like to visit Bollywood some day [08:59] Mithrandir: yeah agreed === tuxmaniac wonders for what highvoltage wishes to visit bollywood? === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] sorry, just lame joke :) === tuxmaniac hugs highvoltage for his sense of humour :-) === highvoltage gives tuxmaniac a chocolate === Hobbsee intercepts and steals the chocolate [09:02] Mithrandir: Btw then no more releases on the 2.6.16-X === Hobbsee munches happily [09:03] for dapper? [09:03] edgy will directly be on a 2.6.17 ? I dint know this [09:04] is it possible to get the new kernel version thru dapper-backports ? [09:04] not yet, considering edgy isn't even active [09:04] that would/will be a maintenance nightmare, too === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp227-41.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] I mean, when it becomes active [09:05] I don't know; I think it may be discussed in Paris [09:06] crimsun: going too? [09:06] tuxmaniac: no, work has me here [09:06] crimsun: I have some company then :-) [09:07] I hope Edgy will have PREEMPT kernel [09:07] Dapper already does. [09:07] it made my simulations faster [09:07] TheMuso: yeah, that's why I hope Edgy will continue with that [09:08] it is highly unlikely that preempt support will be removed from the desktop kernels [09:09] cool [09:10] is the splash image that appears during booting something put in the kernel ? [09:10] no [09:10] oh [09:11] it's entirely userspace and done by usplash [09:11] because I didn't the splash image when I booted with 2.6.16 kernel that I compiled [09:11] if you custom compile a kernel it goes off [09:11] why's that? [09:11] you have to configure it back [09:12] that's because you probably didn't update your initramfs for your custom kernel (if you in fact have initr* support enabled) [09:12] Yeah.. I do have [09:14] crimsun: What do I have to do to get it back? [09:14] update-initramfs [-u] [09:14] crimsun: ok, let's say I get the 2.6.15 kernel source from dapper's repos, and apply a patch & recompile, I still have to do that update thing ? [09:14] But for sure there is something wrong with the udev <-> kernel thing [09:15] AnAnt: yes, though if you use the Ubuntu packaging infrastructure it's done automatically [09:15] when you custom compile 2.6.16 stuff [09:15] tuxmaniac: yep, known [09:15] hmm.. [09:15] crimsun: what do you mean by Ubuntu packaging infrastructure ? you mean like use make-kpkg ? [09:16] AnAnt: meaning if a deb is generated === tuxmaniac will be right back [09:16] (yes, using make-kpkg) [09:16] crimsun: yes, it was generated & I installed the deb file === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] crimsun: that's what I did with 2.6.16 too === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:24] thx === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-motu === opse3 [i=opse3@tor/session/direct/x-cf35443c4898ef43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:32] what is the dapper equivalent of breezy's nvidia-glx? [09:33] nvidia-glx [09:35] oh, ok, but now there's another problem: if i want to install it (on breezy, in order to upgrade to dapper), it says it want to remove the following packages: nvidia-settings, x-common, xorg-common, xserver-common, busybox-cvs-initramfs [09:35] crimsun ^ [09:35] crimsun: should i accept that? [09:35] crimsun: and, if so, what is the equivalent of nvidia-settings in dapper? [09:37] it wants* === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] none of those are absolutely necessary [09:38] (they're all purged on my system, for instance) === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:38] opse3: let it do its magic [09:38] and the equivalent is, unsurprisingly enough, nvidia-settings :-) [09:39] opse3: and then file a bug regarding the fact that 'nvidia-glx' Conflicts: nvidia-settings [09:39] (most likely reason is that nvidia-glx now contains that binary) [09:39] sladen: correct, and nvidia-settings should be removed === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] the latest update-manager should handle these cases now [09:40] ajmitch: then why does dapper also include nvidia-settings (as crimsun just noted) and as i also just noticed in my synaptic? [09:40] ajmitch: then why does dapper also include nvidia-settings (as crimsun just noted and as i also just noticed in my synaptic)?* [09:41] ajmitch: is update-manager better than apt-get upgrade? [09:41] yes, update-manager is the recommended upgrade path [09:41] iirc [09:41] and I don't know why nvidia-settings is still in the repository for dapper [09:43] hi ajmitch and opse3 [09:43] ajmitch: but i must do the upgrade in more sessions [09:43] hi [09:43] ajmitch: update-manager doesn't allow me to select which packages to upgrade at a time [09:43] Hobbsee|Icicle: hi === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp102-188.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TomaszD [n=tom@xdsl-2196.elblag.dialog.net.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dolson [n=dana@d235-185-252.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B130C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] morning \sh === shenki [n=shenki@ppp163-51.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-101-034.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy [n=max@lns-bzn-38-82-253-93-56.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xufango [n=xufango@58.49.252.199] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bazzi [n=Bastian@p508023D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:05] ajmitch ping [11:06] imbrandon: yes? === ajmitch is just eating dinner & then doing spec stuff [11:06] heya are you familiar with building a pkg for revu ? [11:06] yes [11:06] i have the package bulding fine with debuild the way i like but dont i need to build it with -S or -S -sa for revu ? [11:07] mmm...dinner... [11:07] i've never done a revu before [11:07] imbrandon: yes you do [11:07] you must build with -S -sa [11:07] ok -S -sa kk thanks , i think i got the rest down pat === imbrandon being the lazy one , whats -S -sa or should i just man debuild ;) [11:08] imbrandon: means include sources [11:08] ahh [11:08] imbrandon: write a shell script for it - it's quicker. [11:08] its only one perl file and one conf file so the src would be included anyhow hehehe but yea [11:09] having source included != source debian package [11:09] since we need to review the debian/ dir [11:09] yea ajmitch i got it, i just meant in general [11:09] kinda brain fart [11:09] as far as pure source that is [11:11] Mithrandir: ping === Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [n=shermann@gw01.combots.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] <\sh> jo [11:14] hi \sh [11:14] ajmitch: can we delay until the hour? [11:14] sure === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-7-120.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Viper12 [n=casey@c-24-8-147-79.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nomed [n=nomed@host33-57.pool8250.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:53] what is the name of the app that checks all orphans which {{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}} can be safely removed? [11:53] the "{{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}}" is mandatory === DapperDr1ke [n=seveas@blackbox.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:04] alright. === Cas [n=cas@145.89.224.65] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:07] opse3, deborphan ? === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@ppp218-91.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] I will help you over the package [12:12] is it a python tol? [12:14] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2352 <--- if any MOTU's wanna have a look for me [12:15] Mithrandir: free now? === SkyTalker [n=michael@p549DB33E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDr1ke [n=seveas@blackbox.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode__ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb [n=chris@209.120.232.20] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] hey schweeb [12:17] imbrandon: so this is something that someone else has done, and you've just made a couple of changes? [12:17] ajmitch yes , and its currently not in debian or dapper ( would like to target edgy ) [12:18] the official one can be found at http://apt-mirror.sf.net [12:18] ajmitch: hiya [12:18] ajmitch: sorry about the delay [12:18] then you'd need to fix the version numbers such that it's -0ubuntu1 or similar [12:18] ok , wasent sure on that since it wasent in debian [12:19] Mithrandir: alright, no problem :) [12:19] is there a way to fix that upload or just reupload ? [12:20] imbrandon: reupload, and the upstream should be educated as to what an orig.tar.gz is [12:20] ok [12:21] Mithrandir: where shall we start? [12:21] ajmitch: you've been speccing out some more, haven't you? [12:22] yes, it's not up on the wiki [12:22] a few changes locally [12:22] also, should we discuss this here or in #ubuntu-networkauth or something? === ajmitch has gobby session running if we want to do it that way [12:22] gobby works for me, I just need to install it === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] ajmitch : ok re-uploaded http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2353 === herzi [n=herzi@d021073.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] imbrandon: i don't think deborphan has any idea what an official dapper must include by default. === \sh [n=shermann@gw01.combots.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@pcd730116.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] If one uses qemu tools to create a vmdk, how does one then create the vmx file for vmware-player? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] TheMuso, by hand with nano or such [01:35] its justa txt file [01:35] But what do you put in it? [01:35] c [01:35] ....not that. :) [01:35] one sec [01:36] here is an online form to build one for you [01:36] http://www.easyvmx.com/expertform.shtml [01:36] then you can tweak it with as needed [01:37] Thanks. === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] heylo === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=chris@p5487CDEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] heya zul === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] hey imbrandon [01:54] zul! [01:54] stalker! [01:54] heh [01:54] lol === erez [n=erez@85-250-26-163.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] hey zul === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === farruinn [n=nathan@169.244.249.89] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDrake [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=chris@p5487CDEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-39-163.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@storm-gw.xandros.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Toadstool [n=jcorbier@ubuntu/member/toadstool] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] what is the name of the app that checks all orphans which {{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}} can be safely removed? === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-001-223.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] the "{{{{don't belong to the official ubuntu selection anyway and so they}}}" is mandatory === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === havoc [n=havoc@CPE-24-167-241-63.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] morning === _ZuZuu_ [n=ZuZubunt@AVelizy-154-1-39-163.w82-124.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] so, what's the state of ubuntu *writing* to NTFS partitions, like in a bual-coot env? === thierryn [n=thierry@modemcable199.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] havoc: maybe you mean reading, not writing. [03:36] nope, I want to write [03:36] reading isn't a problem [03:36] ajmitch : can you change the topic now that dapper has been released? === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryu [n=chris@p5487CDEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] I've heard of 'captive', which apparently uses ntfs.sys directly or something === vud1 [n=vud1@unaffilitated/vud1] has left #ubuntu-motu ["chapo] [03:39] havoc: iirc, there are legal issues with captive [03:39] ah [03:40] havoc: however, maybe you should ask on #ubuntu-devel [03:40] I was just curious [03:40] havoc: there may be some unofficial repos that include this, though [03:40] thierryn: what would need to be changed in the current topic? [03:40] figured ajmitch, ogra, or chillywilly might have something to say about it, but they're not here right now [03:44] opse3 : to remove the fact that we are in feature freeze and say something like "yeah we realeased dapper drake!" === dradul [n=dradul@unaffiliated/dradul] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dradul [n=dradul@unaffiliated/dradul] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Make] [03:54] thierryn: oh, hadn't noticed that === bddebian [n=bdefrees@mail.ottens.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] Heya gang [03:56] bddebian: hiya [03:56] Hello havoc [03:58] I may *finally* install ubuntu (on my vaio), now that I've finally figured out how to replace the hdd [03:58] Great [03:58] got a 120gb hdd coming today :) === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral_Laptop [n=Kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=parthan@59.92.61.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] bddebian: booo [04:37] heya gang [04:40] Heh, hi tuxmaniac [04:40] bddebian: howdy [04:40] bddebian: brb [04:40] am outside [04:41] see ya === tuxmaniac [n=parthan@59.92.61.177] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:46] morning people [04:46] hey LaserJock === StevenK jumps on Hobbsee. === Hobbsee thumps StevenK very hard. [04:47] Hobbsee! === Hobbsee mutters about horrible people [04:47] LaserJock: :) [04:47] Hobbsee: you do any Dapper partying last night? [04:47] LaserJock: i did not - i found a kubuntu user today though [04:47] didnt party :( === Hobbsee does not party though [04:47] me neither [04:48] I just hung out here === StevenK didn't either. [04:48] gosh, we are boring :-) [04:51] I had to get home, otherwise I would have gone out and watched other people drink beer. [04:52] hehe === Hobbsee is always boring. [04:54] Hobbsee: You? In #ubuntu-devel? === StevenK double checks. [04:54] StevenK: yeah, for the moment [04:54] Gasp. [04:54] hehe [04:54] dont die of shock : [04:54] :P [04:55] <\sh> I partied 2 times [04:55] <\sh> before and after the release [04:55] <\sh> now we have 20 more kubuntu fans in this company [04:56] cool [05:02] Hehe, heya LaserJock [05:02] are you boring too bddebian? [05:03] yeah he is :) [05:06] <\sh> ok..going home [05:07] LaserJock: Yep :'-( [05:08] anyone decent with perl? [05:08] no [05:09] psh === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-3.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lastnode_ [n=lastnode@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xophEr [n=xopher@a84-230-124-206.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:49] LaserJock: of course i do :P [05:50] Hobbsee: tricked ya didn't I, hehe :-) [05:50] you're all big scary horrible people :P [05:50] @time sydney [05:50] Current time in Australia/Sydney: June 03 2006, 01:50:14 [05:50] what? bddebian can't be boring, he's a deity [05:50] you sayin' I'm fat? [05:50] hmmm.... [05:50] i said nothing of the sort. [05:50] you said "big" === thierryn [n=jackobil@modemcable199.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] yes, big as in tall. [05:50] the scary and horrible, well that might apply ;-) === ^ohoel [n=beshy@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] hehe === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:56] LaserJock: if i do eventually come to a dev meetup, i'll make sure i ignore you, so you have a basis to believe that i hate you. how's that sound? [05:57] :'( === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@59.92.40.137] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:58] :P === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DapperDr1ke [n=seveas@nuts.okkernoot.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] crimsun: I hate you! ;-P [06:07] bddebian: whyever so, hehe? [06:07] Hobbsee: Because he mocks me because I'm st00pid [06:07] ah :P [06:07] oh yes, from above === Hobbsee is a bit slow after 2am.. === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #ubuntu-motu === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-7-120.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] hi jpatrick [06:11] how are you? [06:11] hi tuxmaniac [06:11] jpatrick: Long time no see.. So celbrated Dapper? [06:11] hey jpatrick and tuxmaniac [06:11] hi Hobbsee [06:11] tuxmaniac: no nothing/noone to celebrate with [06:14] tuxmaniac: I'm okay, I guess, how about you? [06:15] jpatrick: aah, doing good. Just that dapper has made life simple and not testing my hcking skills. :-) [06:15] If I want to update my chroot, do I put edgy as the distribution? [06:16] thierryn: AFAIK, edgy repo isn't open yet [06:16] k thanks === herzi [n=herzi@d061188.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === erez [n=erez@85-250-26-163.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.153.141] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:43] hi === Sp4rKy_ [n=max@lns-bzn-57-82-249-33-128.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] Heya Tonio_ [06:48] hey bddebian :) === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:19] It works... [07:19] hehe [07:19] the perl rewrite of my script :D === shenki [n=shenki@ppp163-51.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@207.67.194.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === abelcheung [n=abelcheu@221.126.147.77] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik [i=fargon@silenceisdefeat.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === carthik_away [n=carthik@user-142h0oa.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Marce [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sp4rKy_ [n=max@lns-bzn-39-82-255-36-220.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-85-239-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fredix [n=fredix@LAubervilliers-151-13-94-120.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === whiprush_ [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === whiprush_ [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === neutrinomass [n=pandis@ppp20-127.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral__ [n=kyral@HyperDream.powers.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === WolfPython [n=laszlo@astound-64-85-225-2.ca.astound.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] hi, [09:35] I need some getting started with packaging. === stearns [n=stearns@w002.z065106067.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:36] WolfPython, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ [09:36] Can you guys give me some advise on where to start? Any recommended doc or book to read? [09:36] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html for libraries [09:37] read also debian policy and so on, anyway it's all linked in New Maint guide document [09:38] Wow. So it is true! You guys ARE really help full. Thank you. I will look into all of those. [09:38] ok great :) [09:38] Does the motu-school a live? [09:38] I read it in the archives [09:39] do you mean motu-school team? [09:39] or what? [09:40] yes. sorry [09:40] anyway if you have problems with packaging just ask and someone will answer you as soon as possible [09:42] WolfPython: start with the packaging guide [09:42] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html [09:42] here it is [09:42] ok. thank you.:) [09:43] WolfPython: the school hasn't been active in some months due to everyone being busy [09:43] it's a very nice guide, it will be easier to start with [09:43] hey crimsun [09:43] hullo siretart [09:43] crimsun: do you happen to know if darren salt ircs? [09:43] siretart: I don't know, sorry [09:44] I don't think so, but I'm not sure either [09:46] curimsun: Is there a mailing list to subscribe so I will not miss it when it gets active? [09:47] WolfPython: ubuntu-motu [09:47] Thank you === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stearns [n=stearns@w002.z065106067.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === SkyTalker [n=michael@p549DB33E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["bye] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] Later gang [10:11] cya bddebian [10:11] Later crimsun === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === neuRo] [n=justin20@ppp-70-242-229-210.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:25] hmm [10:25] I'm gonna have to block glibc upgrades on my server [10:26] Xen no like the glibc in the repos === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-253-85.netcologne.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] hi \sh [10:29] <\sh> re === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:34] ...and I also have to recompile gcc... === Kyral_Laptop sighs [10:34] Sometimes Sarge is a PAIN [10:43] um...ok...so is {s,}he going to join? [10:43] oh good [10:43] huh? [10:43] don't know === Kyral_Laptop blinks [10:44] neuRo] : what LaserJock is referring to is that you need deb-src lines uncommented in /etc/apt/sources.list === Kyral_Laptop walks away to fiddle with his Xen Server [10:44] Actually you don't... [10:44] Oh can I make a suggestion. For Edgy if we want to include Xen, we are gonna have to recompile Glibc [10:44] or change its compile flags [10:45] i am on windows right now, i'm abut to install ubuntu on a new partition and i want to get the source-code so i can play with the os [10:45] or read it.. whichever. [10:45] ah then you do [10:45] neuRo] : it is much easier once you install it [10:45] an...dude....unless you like ASM lol [10:45] Kyral_Laptop: I like ASM [10:45] asm is great. [10:46] ...you are freaks... [10:46] neuRo] : the source packages are available at any mirror: http://somemirror/ubuntu/pool/ [10:46] neuRo] : however, you can also retrieve the source using links from http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:package [10:46] all i see is a ton of folders with deb files [10:46] Kyral_Laptop: I learned to code in ASM [10:46] not source. [10:46] neuRo] : by far the easiest way [once you're running Ubuntu] is to enable the deb-src lines and then ``apt-get source package'' [10:47] neuRo] : look carefully. that is the source [10:47] there's no way to just download the entire OS's source with all of the c/c++ files intact at once [10:47] without this whole annoying package/deb/whatever stuff [10:47] The entire OS [10:47] is HOW many packages?! [10:47] neuRo] : red hat provides that, iirc === Sp4rKy_ [n=max@lns-bzn-39-82-255-36-220.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] i don't care how many packages there are [10:47] ..... [10:47] and the mirror is HOW big?! [10:48] On the scale of a couple hundred GB for the source? [10:48] i just want everything in a folder like /dev/ubuntusrc or something [10:48] neuRo] : currently no Ubuntu archive distributes an image that you're asking for [10:48] neuRo] : hmm, that would take a lot of time and bandwith [10:48] we're talking something like 110 GB [10:48] neuRo] : you'd need to make it yourself then [10:48] and you do realize that Ubuntu is a Linux Distro, Ubuntu != Linux :P [10:49] err [10:49] wait [10:49] the source-code for the latest of each of these packages all extracted to simple C/C++ code wouldn't possibly encompass more than 10 GB [10:49] damn that has two trues [10:49] neuRo] : they all aren't in C [10:49] You have every language represented [10:49] neuRo] : yes, but you asked for the distro+source code, which is precisely what "pool" is. [10:49] neuRo] : you'd be so wrong, it's not funny [10:49] i just want the C stuff. [10:49] ... [10:49] That would take one HELL of a grep [10:49] why the hell would you guys go and overcomplicate everything? [10:50] why am I getting suspcious? [10:50] neuRo] : what you want is orig.tar.gz+diff.gz for every package offered [10:50] neuRo] : we don't. you have an unreasonable request [10:50] neuRo] : that is very hard to determine, we have thousands of packages from thousands of authors [10:50] You do realize that whatever you do with them you have to abide by their licenses [10:50] i want the source to the distro, not to every package you can download for the distro [10:50] .... === Kyral_Laptop laughs [10:50] Oh that is a good one [10:50] you guys just don't understand. [10:50] neuRo] : ok, what are you calling "distro?" [10:50] neuRo] : the distro is made up of thousands of packages [10:51] <\sh> it's not BSD [10:51] neuRo] : are you high ? [10:51] I am VERY suspcious now [10:51] neuRo] : are you referring to the live cd that you can install? [10:51] I want to know what he wants them for [10:51] theft ? [10:51] a leaked beta iso? [10:51] <\sh> emerge ubuntu [10:51] We already give them away via GPL and the various FSF license [10:52] sorry, I meant forking without the copyright notices attached [10:52] neuRo] : if you would clarify what you mean by "distro," that would help. [10:52] we think of "distro" as the entire "pool" of available packages. [10:52] i'd like them because i would very much like to be able to modify anything in the OS i'm using [10:52] what is "them"? [10:53] The funny part is that you can apt-get install gentoo [10:53] <\sh> hum? [10:53] them = source === Kyral_Laptop falls down [10:53] Kyral_Laptop: but it is a file manager :-) [10:53] source to what, all possible packages or just the ones on the live/install cd? [10:53] <\sh> neuRo] : man debmirror [10:53] the ones that come with the install [10:53] Kyral_Laptop: yeah. that file manager was around a long time before the gentoo distro was [10:53] Someone just give him a link to the GNU Website [10:53] Yagisan: I know :P [10:53] or if he really wants source [10:53] <\sh> neuRo] : apt-get source debian-installer [10:53] neuRo] : then you'll want to look at what's seeded and just retrieve the orig.tar.gz+diff.gz for those packages === Kyral_Laptop tosses neuRo] a copy of LFS === Yagisan suspects a troll [10:54] You THINK? [10:54] lol [10:55] No MS Cloak :P [10:55] neuRo] : the problem is that the code isn't one big pile of source code, each app has it's own source [10:56] Kyral_Laptop: well, I'd need to get a picture, as looking at LOTR I don't think their fingers could type, but I may be wrong [10:56] ... [10:56] Yagisan: that was horrible [10:56] Kyral_Laptop: thank you. [10:56] i know [10:57] i don't want the source for all the apps like the notepad/word processor/etc [10:57] If you want the Kernel source [10:57] just the OS itself, the desktop and what runs what you see [10:57] www.kernel.org === Erl[Work] [i=neumann@Toronto-HSE-ppp3875482.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:57] I think he fails to see the non-definition of OS here [10:57] <\sh> neuRo] : debmirror and put in as section "main" [10:57] neuRo] : we sent you a link to all the source of the OS [10:57] neuRo] : look at the source package ubuntu-meta, and in particular, look inside ubuntu-meta at ubuntu-desktop [10:57] GNU/Linux is the OS [10:58] Ubuntu is a flavor === Yagisan has to get to work on a saturday morning :( [10:58] bbl [10:59] <\sh> Kyral_Laptop: it's named "Linux" not GNU/Linux. [10:59] <\sh> the kernel actually [10:59] yes [10:59] and the Kernel + all the other stuff is...? [10:59] GNU/Linux :P [10:59] and lets not have this fight :P [11:00] I really couldn't care less what it's called :-) [11:00] I just know Ubuntu rocks [11:01] neuRo] : the problem is that you are still looking at trying to get the source for hundreds of packages [11:01] <\sh> Kyral_Laptop: hehe [11:01] neuRo] : we don't have an easy mechanism for that. 99.99% of the time people want to get the source for just one or two packages at a time [11:01] neuRo] : and that is pretty straight forward [11:01] i just want the source for the core of ubuntu, do you understand or not? [11:02] hello all. Now that Dapper is release, will some MOTU check my package for kpl? [11:02] neuRo] : I'm guessing that would be the kernel, and you can look at kernel.org for that [11:02] neuRo] : there is no such thing as "core of ubuntu" [11:02] except for the kernel as core.. sudo apt-get install linux-source [11:03] Erl[Work] : edgy hasn't opened up yet and we are still sort of in shell shock I think. Give us a few days :-) [11:03] LaserJock: np ;p I kinda already know what you'll think of it so it'll give me some time to review that. [11:04] I want to get involved more seriously for Edgy. [11:04] neuRo] : you don't understand the modular nature of the beast [11:05] If there is ANY core it is either ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-base [11:05] LaserJock: pm [11:07] oy this is suspcious [11:08] conspiracy of one [11:08] if source is what he's after..give him Gentoo or LFS [11:08] Is there a channel for the backport team? [11:10] possibly [11:10] is there much of a team? [11:10] damn, #ubuntu is really overcrowded atm [11:11] Bazzi: that's a great album [11:11] LaserJock: there is a mailing list === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@wservices.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:12] there is a Backporters team... it's small [11:13] jdong and mez? [11:15] I guess. === lbm [n=lbm@0x555298ca.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:18] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backporters [11:20] Erl[Work] : we have some ppl who worked on backports. unfortunately, there hasn't been much activity from them lately. [11:21] I think if the backport policy was better it might get more activity [11:22] I'd be interested in working on that a bit. [11:38] for goodness sakes, I can't find an xfig-like app to save my life :( === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-115.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu