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| tmarble | fabbione: buon giorno! | 04:07 |
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| fabbione | hey tmarble | 04:07 |
| tmarble | to answer your question, yes I do have a launchpad account: https://launchpad.net/people/tmarble | 04:08 |
| fabbione | tmarble: ok :) would you be so kind to send the info via email? otherwise i am going to forget in about 2 seconds :) | 04:09 |
| tmarble | np | 04:09 |
| tmarble | I notice you have /sparc on the wiki..... but I can't seem to link to it using an (intuitive) WikiWord..... e.g. sparc/TODO does NOT work? | 04:10 |
| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sparc/KnownIssues | 04:11 |
| fabbione | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sparc/TODO | 04:11 |
| fabbione | they both work for me | 04:12 |
| tmarble | perhaps it's because / (root) and /sparc are considered different wikis | 04:12 |
| tmarble | and on my page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TomMarble I have to do this [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/sparc/TODO sparc/TODO] | 04:13 |
| tmarble | as opposed to just sparc/TODO | 04:13 |
| fabbione | possibly | 04:13 |
| fabbione | tmarble: do you have a t1000 handy? | 04:13 |
| tmarble | handy? not sitting next to me, but I can probably get to one relatively soon | 04:14 |
| fabbione | ok | 04:14 |
| fabbione | that would be handy for some testing | 04:14 |
| fabbione | i am having issue with the one i got today | 04:14 |
| fabbione | it doesn't even tftpboot | 04:14 |
| tmarble | ok | 04:15 |
| tmarble | hmm :-( | 04:15 |
| fabbione | never mind to get to debug the driver | 04:15 |
| fabbione | the more machines we get to test, the better | 04:15 |
| tmarble | so do you mean you can't boot from CD either? | 04:15 |
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| fabbione | there is no cd in the t1000 :) | 04:15 |
| doko | another channel? | 04:15 |
| tmarble | doko: guten tag! | 04:15 |
| tmarble | did you tftpboot the T2000? | 04:16 |
| fabbione | yeps | 04:16 |
| fabbione | also from cd | 04:16 |
| fabbione | it works both ways | 04:16 |
| fabbione | but the t1000 has only netboot | 04:16 |
| fabbione | and if it can frigging tftpboot it's the machine of doom | 04:16 |
| tmarble | why isn't it tftpbooting? | 04:16 |
| fabbione | it seems like the OBP is looping on the rarpd request | 04:17 |
| fabbione | but it might be an issue with the server too | 04:17 |
| fabbione | according to tcpdump rarpd is replying back | 04:17 |
| fabbione | but the OBP keeps going with "Requesting Internet Address for..." | 04:17 |
| tmarble | do you have dhcp3-server set with the MAC in /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf? | 04:18 |
| fabbione | with rarpd it should not be required | 04:18 |
| fabbione | but no there is no dhcp3 | 04:18 |
| tmarble | you don't like this package? http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/net/dhcp3-server | 04:19 |
| fabbione | yes i do. but i don't have root on the tftpboot server | 04:19 |
| fabbione | and rarpd is supposed to give the ip to the OBP | 04:19 |
| fabbione | afaik OBP never moved away from rarp | 04:20 |
| fabbione | we can test that | 04:20 |
| fabbione | for sure | 04:20 |
| tmarble | yeah, well, maybe we can *fix* that at some point (OBP is a story all onto itself ;-) | 04:20 |
| fabbione | yeah but i need to get across the OBP barrier first | 04:20 |
| tmarble | have you sniffed packets to see if rarpd is doing the 'right thing'? | 04:21 |
| fabbione | tmarble: yeps.. as i said above | 04:21 |
| tmarble | ok... I got some people inside Sun to volunteer yesterday (including device driver guru's) so let me check my e-mail for potential victims | 04:21 |
| fabbione | i suggest you wait once i can get the sysadmin online and check with him | 04:22 |
| fabbione | perhaps it is as stupid as the netswitch being retarded | 04:22 |
| tmarble | are you working on the machines in Kensington? | 04:23 |
| fabbione | eps | 04:23 |
| fabbione | yeps | 04:23 |
| tmarble | AFAIK rarpd responses should be broadcast | 04:23 |
| fabbione | they happen at ethernet level | 04:24 |
| fabbione | there is no ip to broadcast at that time yet | 04:24 |
| tmarble | it would be really antisocial of the switch not to forward RARP packets, however | 04:24 |
| fabbione | well it's HP switch :P | 04:26 |
| tmarble | we like to refer to them as the House of Printers ;-) | 04:26 |
| fabbione | ahhaha | 04:26 |
| tmarble | did you see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1081276#post1081276 | 04:28 |
| tmarble | do you have a dashboard of packages that are (or need to be) built for sparc? | 04:29 |
| tmarble | for example yesterday it *seemed* that autofs was not yet available? | 04:29 |
| fabbione | no i don't read the forums | 04:30 |
| fabbione | the packages are all autobuilt by buildd | 04:30 |
| fabbione | autofs is in universe afaik | 04:30 |
| fabbione | so it's not really checked | 04:30 |
| fabbione | but it should be installable | 04:30 |
| fabbione | nice to know.. the U60 is tested well :) both David and I have one ;) | 04:31 |
| tmarble | in Debian non-free is NOT autobuilt by default... what about for Ubuntu components universe and multiverse? | 04:31 |
| tmarble | there's an engineer in Boston installing on a SunBlade 2500 as we speak | 04:32 |
| fabbione | oh autofs is non-free? | 04:33 |
| fabbione | do you have a sun irc channel where you all guys meet up_? | 04:33 |
| fabbione | Filename: pool/main/a/autofs/autofs_4.1.3-8ubuntu3_i386.deb | 04:33 |
| fabbione | it's probably due to the documentation that's non-free | 04:33 |
| fabbione | SB should be ok | 04:34 |
| fabbione | tested on 1000 and 1500 | 04:34 |
| fabbione | i assume 2500 will be good | 04:34 |
| tmarble | who hooo! I'm on a T2000 | 04:34 |
| tmarble | Linux memleak 2.6.15-23-sparc64-smp #1 SMP Tue May 23 14:15:47 UTC 2006 sparc64 GNU/Linux | 04:34 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 04:34 |
| fabbione | how many cores do you have there? | 04:34 |
| tmarble | testme@memleak:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | 04:35 |
| tmarble | cpu : UltraSparc T1 (Niagara) | 04:35 |
| tmarble | fpu : UltraSparc T1 integrated FPU | 04:35 |
| tmarble | prom : OBP 4.19.0 2005/10/27 17:24 | 04:35 |
| tmarble | type : sun4v | 04:35 |
| tmarble | ncpus probed : 32 | 04:35 |
| tmarble | ncpus active : 32 | 04:35 |
| fabbione | HUMPF | 04:35 |
| tmarble | D$ parity tl1 : 0 | 04:35 |
| tmarble | I$ parity tl1 : 0 | 04:35 |
| === fabbione is jalous | ||
| tmarble | Cpu0Bogo : 2401.08 | 04:35 |
| tmarble | Cpu0ClkTck : 0000000047868c00 | 04:35 |
| fabbione | i got a 6 cores one | 04:35 |
| fabbione | oh you even have 1.2Ghz CPU! | 04:35 |
| fabbione | bastard | 04:35 |
| === fabbione envies | ||
| === fabbione envies | ||
| tmarble | between webmink and sabdfl I'm sure we can improve the situation over time ;-) | 04:35 |
| fabbione | nah i am ok with this one | 04:36 |
| fabbione | next one i want a quad-T2 | 04:36 |
| fabbione | BEEFY one | 04:36 |
| tmarble | yeah, 32 GB | 04:36 |
| fabbione | neat | 04:36 |
| fabbione | i didn't get to install the one we got here | 04:37 |
| fabbione | but it should be the same | 04:37 |
| tmarble | thinking about how we can harness energy like recupero in the forum... | 04:40 |
| tmarble | perhaps we should start a wiki page on install successes/failures/issues..... sparc/InstallReports ? | 04:41 |
| fabbione | tmarble: good idea | 04:41 |
| fabbione | go ahead :) | 04:41 |
| tmarble | k | 04:41 |
| fabbione | make sure to add details to the table | 04:42 |
| tmarble | please elaborate? | 04:42 |
| fabbione | like model, cpu, n of cpu, ram, installation methos | 04:42 |
| fabbione | method | 04:42 |
| fabbione | U60 is quite generic | 04:42 |
| tmarble | better yet... let's write a "platform info" script (we do this all the time) | 04:42 |
| fabbione | it doesn't tell us much other than we share the same mobo with a E450 ;) | 04:42 |
| tmarble | that captures relevant stuff /proc/cpuinfo /proc/meminfo etc.... | 04:42 |
| fabbione | yeah | 04:42 |
| tmarble | so now what can we use (should we use) as a VCS for that? | 04:43 |
| tmarble | for example, is there a bzr space where we can share scripts, etc.? | 04:43 |
| fabbione | not yet.. | 04:43 |
| fabbione | i have the sysadmins online now | 04:44 |
| fabbione | sorry i will not pay much attention to irc | 04:44 |
| fabbione | have to get the t1000 cabled properly | 04:44 |
| tmarble | np | 04:44 |
| fabbione | or whatever it's the issue | 04:44 |
| tmarble | i'll ask around about the rarpd / OBP thing | 04:44 |
| fabbione | dhcp doesn't help with OBP | 04:56 |
| tmarble | from Gary in Boston.... | 04:58 |
| tmarble | issues with sunblade 2500 2x1.2 72gb disk, xvr-600 video | 04:58 |
| tmarble | 1.215625 tg3: Attempt to do nvram_read on Sun 570x | 04:58 |
| tmarble | 15.122338 sda: asking for cache data failed | 04:58 |
| tmarble | 15.134332 sda: assuming drive cache: write through | 04:58 |
| tmarble | It has a problem recognizing the scsi disk | 04:58 |
| fabbione | please direct them to launchpad.net and to file bugs | 04:58 |
| tmarble | Gary is a linux n00b so I may "qualify" the bug before filing it | 04:59 |
| fabbione | i would like to understand what makes him think that that message is an error | 05:00 |
| fabbione | does the installer recognize the disks? | 05:00 |
| tmarble | is there a problem with the GUI installer? is there a GUI for sparc? | 05:02 |
| fabbione | there is no GUI installer for sparc | 05:02 |
| fabbione | it was the switch | 05:06 |
| fabbione | problem solved | 05:06 |
| tmarble | sweet! | 05:06 |
| tmarble | ok... seems Gary's problem is that he has a SCSI disk -- which may not be recognized | 05:07 |
| tmarble | does the install ISO have an initrd (to bootstrap SCSI)? | 05:07 |
| fabbione | ok we will debug that later | 05:07 |
| fabbione | the best is to do netbooting | 05:08 |
| fabbione | the iso has everything | 05:08 |
| fabbione | scsi/ide etc.. | 05:08 |
| fabbione | but already the sda message is a hint that it's there | 05:08 |
| tmarble | right (I was thinking that ;-) | 05:08 |
| fabbione | if the disk for "scratch me hard" | 05:09 |
| fabbione | ask him to go console and do: | 05:09 |
| fabbione | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 | 05:09 |
| fabbione | and restart the partitioner | 05:09 |
| tmarble | seems to be working better now... it apparently sees the disk (he did a OBP update AND installed a new disk) | 05:10 |
| tmarble | what do you mean: if the disk for "scratch me hard" | 05:10 |
| tmarble | ok.. he's partitioning now | 05:11 |
| fabbione | i mean if the disk has no sensible data and can e scratched | 05:11 |
| fabbione | s/e/be/ | 05:11 |
| tmarble | is 10 GB big enough for / ? | 05:12 |
| fabbione | way too much | 05:13 |
| fabbione | 2.5GB and you have space to swim | 05:14 |
| tmarble | I really hate running out | 05:14 |
| tmarble | when you have a big update | 05:14 |
| fabbione | if you use the Guided Partitioner will do the right thing for you | 05:14 |
| fabbione | you can even install on LVM if that's make you more happy ;) | 05:14 |
| tmarble | lvm not necessary now (but it is nice) | 05:15 |
| fabbione | the guided partitioner can do it for you ; | 05:15 |
| fabbione | ;) | 05:15 |
| === fabbione id happily code that | ||
| tmarble | cool | 05:16 |
| tmarble | do you know of our Sun video card xvr-600 is supported? (if not I assume we will need to start with VESA) | 05:38 |
| tmarble | testme@dhcp-ubur02-174-225:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | 05:43 |
| tmarble | cpu : TI UltraSparc IIIi (Jalapeno) | 05:43 |
| tmarble | fpu : UltraSparc IIIi integrated FPU | 05:43 |
| tmarble | prom : OBP 4.17.1 2005/04/11 14:24 | 05:43 |
| tmarble | type : sun4u | 05:43 |
| tmarble | ncpus probed : 2 | 05:43 |
| tmarble | ncpus active : 2 | 05:43 |
| fabbione | tmarble: no idea.. all my machines are headless | 05:45 |
| fabbione | is that a pci or sbus card? | 05:45 |
| tmarble | testme@dhcp-ubur02-174-225:~$ lspci | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Tomatillo PCI Bus Module | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0000:00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5703 Gigabit Ethernet | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0001:00:00.0 Host bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Tomatillo PCI Bus Module | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0001:00:04.0 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1010 66MHz Ultra3 SCSI Adapter (rev 01) | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0001:00:04.1 SCSI storage controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic 53c1010 66MHz Ultra3 SCSI Adapter (rev 01) | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:00.0 Host bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Tomatillo PCI Bus Module | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:06.0 Non-VGA unclassified device: ALi Corporation M7101 Power Management Controller [PMU] | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:07.0 ISA bridge: ALi Corporation M1533 PCI to ISA Bridge [Aladdin IV] | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ALi Corporation M5451 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 02) | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:0a.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:0b.0 USB Controller: ALi Corporation USB 1.1 Controller (rev 03) | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0002:00:0d.0 IDE interface: ALi Corporation M5229 IDE (rev c4) | 05:46 |
| tmarble | 0003:00:00.0 Host bridge: Sun Microsystems Computer Corp. Tomatillo PCI Bus Module | 05:47 |
| tmarble | 0003:00:02.0 Display controller: 3DLabs Sun XVR-500 Graphics Accelerator (rev 01) | 05:47 |
| tmarble | testme@dhcp-ubur02-174-225:~$ | 05:47 |
| fabbione | ARGH | 05:47 |
| fabbione | please don't flood the channel | 05:47 |
| tmarble | sorry | 05:47 |
| fabbione | can you please give me lspci -n | grep 0300 ? | 05:51 |
| tmarble | lI think you want this | 05:52 |
| tmarble | 0003:00:02.0 Display controller: 3DLabs Sun XVR-500 Graphics Accelerator (rev 01) | 05:52 |
| tmarble | 0003:00:02.0 0380: 3d3d:07a2 (rev 01) | 05:52 |
| fabbione | yes i need the lspci -n | grep 0300 for that | 05:53 |
| fabbione | uh weird | 05:53 |
| fabbione | 380 _? | 05:53 |
| fabbione | that's not GFX class | 05:53 |
| === fabbione checks again the specs | ||
| tmarble | nope | 05:53 |
| tmarble | we have guys working on Xorg here so I can ping them if necessary | 05:54 |
| fabbione | 3d3d07a2 unknown unknown Sun XVR-500 Graphics Accelerator | 05:54 |
| fabbione | it's not known to me | 05:54 |
| fabbione | let me ask Alan | 05:54 |
| fabbione | the worst case try vesa | 05:55 |
| fabbione | or glint | 05:55 |
| fabbione | glint driver seems to have tons of references to 3DLabs chipsets | 05:55 |
| tmarble | ah.. didn't know about glint | 05:55 |
| fabbione | not sure it will work tho | 05:57 |
| fabbione | it doesn't say anywhere XVR-500 | 05:57 |
| tmarble | I now am logged into the T2000 and SunBlade 2500 -- need to apt-get a number of things and configure the networkign stuff (automount, etc.) | 05:58 |
| tmarble | then I'll work on the graphics for the SunBlade | 05:58 |
| fabbione | sure take your time | 05:59 |
| fabbione | i am still debugging and testing a memory corruption issue with CPU < Sparc III | 05:59 |
| tmarble | argh | 06:00 |
| fabbione | it's not very easy to trigger | 06:02 |
| fabbione | so don't be too worried | 06:02 |
| fabbione | it happens only when installing or a heavy usage of dpkg | 06:02 |
| fabbione | they suggest glint.. | 06:04 |
| fabbione | try that one | 06:04 |
| tmarble | ok | 06:06 |
| tmarble | Which CPU model/system has the problem? You *might* be tripping over the e-cache bug | 06:13 |
| fabbione | d-cache ;) | 06:16 |
| fabbione | anyway we have a possible fix and we are testing it | 06:16 |
| fabbione | it affects all machines that use CPU's older than Sparc III | 06:17 |
| fabbione | so II and IIi | 06:17 |
| tmarble | yep... there were various fixes for Solaris but I don't know how well they would xfer to Linux | 06:19 |
| fabbione | they don't because we don't get to read the solaris code | 06:21 |
| fabbione | to avoid all possible IP clashing and so on | 06:21 |
| fabbione | since they have difference licence it's "dangerous" | 06:21 |
| tmarble | regretablly the CDDL is GPL incompatible :-( | 06:22 |
| fabbione | <ajax> there's a wildcat driver on 3dlabs' website if you dig REALLY HARD | 06:22 |
| fabbione | <ajax> very closed source | 06:22 |
| fabbione | that's for your card | 06:22 |
| fabbione | no idea if it builds on sparc | 06:22 |
| fabbione | it's worth a shot | 06:22 |
| tmarble | ah, ok | 06:22 |
| tmarble | I'll ask our Xorg guys (if they have contributed source to Xorg then that would be best) | 06:23 |
| fabbione | tmarble: i did speak with Alan Coppersmith | 06:23 |
| fabbione | he works for xorg/SUN ;) | 06:24 |
| tmarble | right! | 06:24 |
| fabbione | but of course if you have other contacts it's even better | 06:24 |
| tmarble | oh, that Alan (you spoke with just a minute ago)? | 06:24 |
| fabbione | yes | 06:25 |
| tmarble | is he on IRC? what's his nick? | 06:25 |
| fabbione | alanc | 06:25 |
| fabbione | he is on #xorg-devel | 06:25 |
| tmarble | thanks (found him on our internal IRC as well) | 06:28 |
| fabbione | hehe | 06:30 |
| fabbione | so you have an internal IRC :) | 06:30 |
| fabbione | is it accessable from outside? | 06:30 |
| tmarble | regrettably no (I asked ;-) | 06:31 |
| fabbione | eheh ok | 06:33 |
| tmarble | just to confirm... is this the line I want: | 06:46 |
| tmarble | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse | 06:46 |
| fabbione | well it depends | 06:46 |
| fabbione | universe and multiverse are not supported | 06:47 |
| fabbione | and you also want another 2 lines with dapper-security and dapper-updates | 06:47 |
| fabbione | otherwise it looks good | 06:47 |
| tmarble | great.. just to confirm my understanding of "Suites" | 06:47 |
| tmarble | dapper = never changes | 06:47 |
| tmarble | dapper-security = security fixes ONLY | 06:47 |
| tmarble | dapper-updates = bug fixes (NO INTERSECTION or SUPERSET of dapper-security)? | 06:48 |
| tmarble | dapper-backports = ? | 06:48 |
| fabbione | dapper = right | 06:48 |
| fabbione | dapper-security and dapper-updates are theoretically what you say | 06:49 |
| fabbione | but there are some corner cases when a package gets both security and bug fixes | 06:49 |
| fabbione | so both the suites need to get different uploads | 06:49 |
| tmarble | but normally no overlap? | 06:49 |
| fabbione | but that's nothing you really don't need to worry about | 06:49 |
| fabbione | normally no overlap | 06:49 |
| fabbione | skip backports | 06:49 |
| fabbione | backports is crackful stuff | 06:50 |
| fabbione | that's entirely unsupported | 06:50 |
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