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bimberiooh, HedgeMage, good luck from me too!  Is it an interview?  Don't forget to be ready for when they ask if _you_ have any questions12:26
mhzarkan0x, hey12:28
mhzarkan0x, puedes el lunes al as 15:00 ver el hotel con nosotros?12:28
mhzarkan0x, debo irme inmediatamente :(12:29
mhzarkan0x, see ya12:29
mhzbye all guys12:29
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pituxhello12:50
pituxcan any helpme?12:50
pygipitux, whats issue?12:50
pituxi try install edubuntu 6.0612:50
pituxbut, the installation dead in "Building LTSP chroot"12:51
pituxi check the disk before12:51
pituxand the disk is good12:51
pituxthe screen lost12:51
pituxwhat can be?12:52
pituxsorry, my english is very basic12:52
pituxare there any form for avoid "Building LTSP chroot"?12:53
pygitry CTRL+C12:54
pygior you could go for expert installation (not sure if there you can avoid it)12:54
pituxok i try inmediatly12:55
pituxthanks12:55
pituxcan install edubuntu from ubuntu?12:55
pygiyou can: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop12:56
pygiyou have to do some manual configuring then tho12:56
LaserJockpitux: what do you want to do with Edubuntu?12:56
pituxinstall edubuntu, but the installation don't result12:56
pituxok no problem 12:57
pituxthanks12:57
LaserJockdo you want to use LTSP?12:59
pituxno01:00
pituxi install edubuntu in my laptop01:00
crimsunhmm...god__ never replied to my question01:00
pituxi am interesting in edu apps01:00
LaserJockthen you could just install Ubuntu01:00
pituxok01:01
pituxare the same edu-apps?01:01
pygipitux, or install edubuntu workstation01:01
LaserJockif you want the Edubuntu look and default apps then install edubuntu-desktop after you get Ubuntu installed01:01
pituxcook01:01
pygipitux, some info about edubuntu01:02
LaserJockpitux: Edubuntu and Ubuntu grab apps from the same repositories, they just differ in what apps are installed by default01:02
pituxthe system base is install01:02
pygiwiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters01:02
pyginight all01:02
pituxi try install edubuntu workstation01:03
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bddebianHello01:29
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RobinShepheardhello all01:30
LaserJockhi RobinShepheard 01:30
bddebianHello RobinShepheard01:30
RobinShepheardYou will have to forgive me, I am a bit new to all this IRC lark01:30
LaserJockhehe, no problem01:31
RobinShepheardI realise that this may possibly be the wrong place to ask this, but is edubuntu just a short cut to ubuntu with the full ltsp environment, obviously give or take a few apps01:33
LaserJockmore-or-less yeah01:33
LaserJockyou could install Ubuntu and then later do LTSP01:33
LaserJockbut it is easier to set up via the Edubuntu install01:34
RobinShepheardI did guess as much01:34
RobinShepheardwill look at dropping a few of the installed apps then01:34
RobinShepheardit is for a stockbrokers, and they dont really need things like the periodic table :)01:35
LaserJockoh, yeah01:35
LaserJockbut you want LTSP?01:35
RobinShepheardwell, my reasoning may be a bit flawed but is as follows01:35
RobinShepheardwe have various offices around the country that we provide apps and services to01:36
RobinShepheardWe use citrix to provide then to everybody, whether they are in the main office or not01:36
RobinShepheardwe have a few old 800mhz boxes lurking in the store and I thought that I may just move a couple of the branches to ltsp01:37
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RobinShepheardI then just have to worry about the main ltsp server in each branch, rather than each desktop, so less work to keep it all upto date01:38
LaserJockhmm, I don't think LTSP will work outside a local network, but I could be wrong01:38
LaserJockoh, let me reread that01:39
RobinShepheardnah it will just be working on the local lans in each office01:39
LaserJockyeah01:39
LaserJockso then you only need to take care of one computer at each branch, right?01:40
RobinShepheardalso gives them less to balls up when they try to muck around01:40
RobinShepheardwell that is my thinking01:40
LaserJockcool01:41
RobinShepheardonce citrix is installed on the ltsp server everyone would have access to it01:41
RobinShepheardand there would be no config of the desktops, bar setting ten to boot from lan01:41
RobinShephearddoh them to boot from lan even01:41
LaserJockhmm, sounds like a good project01:42
LaserJockI haven't had a chance to try LTSP out myself yet01:42
RobinShepheardwell, it is more a case of if it works it is less work for me01:43
RobinShepheardI set up a dapper version test server in the office this afternoon and have had a chance to boot 1 client from it01:43
RobinShepheardVERY sweet01:43
RobinShepheardworks like a dream if you ignore the path in the piccy in the docs when you have to set up dhcp01:44
RobinShepheardthere is a run dialog box and it has the wrong path in it, you have to use the one in the text01:44
RobinShepheardnot in the picture01:44
LaserJockah01:47
RobinShepheardI am thinking of dropping a line to someone about that but have to double check who01:48
LaserJockRobinShepheard: just send it to the edubuntu-devel mailing list01:50
RobinShepheardahh could do, I was going to find the address of Jonathan Carter on the website01:51
RobinShepheardhe has signed all the pages01:51
LaserJockyeah, he would get it either way :-)01:54
RobinShephearddespite having used linux for quite a long time this is really the first distro which has really drawn my interest in helping01:56
RobinShepheardnot sure wether that is a good thing or not01:56
RobinShepheardwell for the distro that is ;)01:56
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LaserJockRobinShepheard: same story with me, I used Gentoo, Fedora, SuSE, etc. but Ubuntu was really the first one where is felt like I could contribute and make a difference01:58
LaserJockthe community is really awesome01:59
RobinShepheardlol yeah I have had a similar list, gentoo, redhat, fedora, suse and so on.01:59
RobinShepheardyeah the community does seem to be a major point of the distro almost02:00
LaserJockwell, it almost has to be. there aren't all that many people paid to work on it :-)02:00
RobinShepheardyeah true enough02:01
RobinShepheardI think I really need to look into how I can help more. 02:01
RobinShepheardI am not a programmer really so I cant contribute that way much02:01
LaserJockwell there is lots to choose from02:03
LaserJockdocumentation, packaging, marketing, artwork, bug fixing/triaging02:04
LaserJocktell me what you like to do and I can find you a team to join :-)02:04
RobinShepheardthat is the main problem really, where do I start02:04
RobinShepheardI can probably rule out artwork and packaging as art & design is not a strong point02:05
LaserJockpackaging is making the source packages that get made into .debs02:06
LaserJockit is where I got started02:06
RobinShephearddoh, my mistake02:06
LaserJockyou just need pretty decent knowledge of linux, but you don't have to be a programmer or anything02:06
RobinShepheardhow much of that requires any programming knowledge?02:06
RobinShepheardbecause I am a little lacking in that department02:07
LaserJockno problemo02:07
LaserJockare you currently running Dapper?02:07
LaserJocknon-Edubuntu Dapper?02:07
RobinShepheardDapper Ubuntu on my laptop02:07
LaserJockok, go to System -> Help -> System Documentation I believe it is02:07
RobinShepheardahh I got it02:08
LaserJockI wrote a packaging guide (with the help of other community members)02:08
RobinShepheardThe one I am currently reading???02:09
LaserJockshould be yes02:09
RobinShepheardsweet02:09
LaserJockso that has a bit on packaging. A good place to hang out for that is #ubuntu-motu . They look after the Universe apps and are generally a cool bunch02:10
RobinShepheardahh may have just hit a slight snag at the mo, cant say I really know anything about make02:10
LaserJockhmm, ok02:11
LaserJockhave you every built an app from source, i.e. something like ./configure && make && make install ?02:11
RobinShepheardyeah02:11
LaserJockwell, then you've used it at least ;-)02:12
LaserJockanyway, if you don't want to dive into packaging just yet02:12
RobinShepheardyeah true, but the config options are a little beyond me at the mo02:12
RobinShepheardI am a sysadmin, I program, if you can call it that in perl02:12
LaserJockwell, you can still package you will just need to learn some stuff :-)02:13
LaserJockif you don't want to dive into that you could try bug fixing/triaging02:13
RobinShephearddoesn't sound like a bad option02:14
LaserJock#ubuntu-bugs and wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad and wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay are good places for that02:14
LaserJockyou will often deal with MOTUs and packaging there too, whenever you want02:14
LaserJockand if you want to write documentation there is always the Documentation Team (#ubuntu-doc and wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumenationTeam)02:15
LaserJockand of course there is all of that in Edubuntu too02:15
LaserJockpeople can float pretty freely between teams and we generally know each other fairly well02:16
RobinShepheardI think probably the best thing now is to go away and read a bit from the addresses and go from there02:16
RobinShephearddocumentation is possible a quite interesting place to go02:17
RobinShepheardas I am possibly just about to implement a system across multiple offices02:18
RobinShepheardmay be useful to some one else02:18
LaserJockyeah, the edubuntu team is working on an Edubuntu cookbook02:19
RobinShepheardyeah, I did see some of that02:19
LaserJockhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToCookEdubuntu/Chapters?highlight=%28Edubuntu%2902:19
LaserJockand the documenation team has a server setup guide (in that same help system as the Packaging Guide) that could always use help as well02:20
RobinShepheardthanks a lot for your help02:21
LaserJockyou'll soon find that there is way more to do than you could have imagined and then the problem is limiting yourself02:21
RobinShepheardI am afraid I have to scoot and collect my better half from town, she just rang02:21
LaserJockhehe, mine is coming to pick me up soon too02:21
RobinShepheardlol, guess I got the short straw02:22
LaserJock:-)02:22
RobinShepheardjust finished a night on the lash with work colleages and needs to get home.02:22
RobinShepheardstill better than having to get a taxi02:23
LaserJocksure02:23
RobinShepheardgot to go any way, thanks again02:23
LaserJockno problem02:24
LaserJockglad you stopped by02:24
RobinShepheardso am I, never know, if you are really unlikely I may turn up again :)02:24
bddebianunlikely? :-)02:24
RobinShephearddoh unlucky02:25
bddebian:-)02:25
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LaserJockhehe02:25
bddebianThey can't get any unluckier than having me around ;-)02:25
RobinShepheardlol, see everyone around bye bye02:25
LaserJockstop it bddebian, you know we love you :-)02:25
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HedgeMageogra: around?03:14
crimsunif he's sane, he's either asleep or drunk03:15
HedgeMageLOL03:15
crimsunor getting ponies.03:15
HedgeMagedarnit03:15
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bddebianDang another GIRL? :-)03:16
HedgeMagerofl03:16
crimsunHedgeMage: everyone wants a [my little]  pony, stolen from various Web sites, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, ...03:16
HedgeMageahh03:16
crimsunso when we say something sucks because it has no ponies, it's obvious ;)03:17
crimsunbddebian: sheesh, don't you have three of 'em?03:17
bddebian4 counting my wife :-)03:17
bddebianBut it's not like we have a lot in #hurd ;-P03:18
crimsunyeah, I'm not gonna go there03:18
crimsun(err, # women, not hurd)03:18
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Burgundaviahey Amaranth06:32
Burgundaviahave you and ogra nailed down a time?06:32
Amaranthhey06:33
Amaranthnope06:33
HedgeMageahh, life in here again06:43
HedgeMage:P06:43
LaserJocknope, you're talking to ghosts06:44
HedgeMagelol06:47
BurgundaviaLaserJock: can you do something for me?07:06
LaserJockwhat?07:06
BurgundaviaLaserJock: could you pull down http://www.freeverse.com/bumpercar2/ and get a full series of screenshots for me?07:06
LaserJockwhat kind of shots would you like?07:07
Burgundaviathe configuration dialogs and main window07:08
LaserJockdo you need it now?07:09
Burgundaviasooner is better07:09
LaserJockk, on it07:10
Burgundaviaexcllent07:10
Burgundaviaanselmolsm and myself are chatting UI right now07:11
LaserJockBurgundavia: can you handle .tiff files?07:18
BurgundaviaLaserJock: sure, email them to me07:18
BurgundaviaLaserJock: you sent that yet?07:28
LaserJockBurgundavia: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/bc_screenshots.tar.gz07:31
LaserJockit was easier to put it up than email it07:31
LaserJockI did 11 shots showing prefs and visiting a couple sites07:32
Burgundaviavery cool, thanks LaserJock07:32
LaserJockgot it?07:33
LaserJockok, I'm heading to bed now that I've done something with my day ;-)07:34
Burgundaviayep, I did07:35
LaserJockgreat, hope it helps. If you need more ping me and I'll try to do it tomorrow07:35
Burgundaviayep, it does07:35
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irvinanyone having trouble with checking for cd defects?08:43
irvinmd5 checksum matches but cd check fails08:44
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nettogrofhi :)10:24
HedgeMagehi there :)10:25
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nettogrofhi HedgeMage how's it going?10:27
nettogrofoh orite hb10:27
HedgeMageback10:27
HedgeMage:)10:27
HedgeMagenot bad, trying to think of a short coding project I can knock out this weekend10:28
nettogrofah. to do with what?10:30
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tuxtas2Hi all, trying to set up ltsp on Edubuntu default, but clients are booting but keyboard and mouse freeze. Any ideas?10:35
HedgeMagetuxtas2: sorry, I'm about the only Edubuntu-er that isn't good with LTSP stuff :(10:35
HedgeMagetuxtas2: have you tried the mailing list? it's sometimes easier than guessing who'll be on IRC during a weekend10:36
tuxtas2kewl, Ill have to have a look, where is the members sign up page?10:36
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HedgeMagenettogrof: basically, I have a potential employer who I think is going to ask for a code sample.  Most of what I've worked on lately is F/OSS with multiple authors, so it'd be like... yeah, I wrote this class and lines 14-27 of this file, and, oh, lines 19, 122, 673 and 1427 of this one, and...10:37
HedgeMageSo, I'm trying to think of a useful project that can be done in a weekend :P10:37
HedgeMagetuxtas2: hang on I'll grab you a link10:37
tuxtas2ty10:38
HedgeMagehttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel and https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-users :)10:38
nettogrofHedgeMage: You using edubuntu?10:41
HedgeMagenettogrof: on my lappy, yes10:43
nettogrofHedgeMage: Ah cool.10:43
HedgeMage:)10:43
lucasvohttp://thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/74660.aspx10:45
lucasvo*lol*10:45
HedgeMagelol10:48
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blue-frogHi, using xchat-gnome is there a way to log automatically channels conversation as it is possible when you use "normal" xchat?11:31
HedgeMageYes, but I'm not sure where you find the option... I've been using irssi for ages11:33
blue-frogrHah if only GNOME was not removing easy links/options from their apps...11:35
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juliuxmorning12:23
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pawsilverHelp my P4 won't load edubuntu??02:55
pygipawsilver, more info?02:56
pawsilverhi pygi , Its a Asus MB has serial ATA HDD.  I put the Edubuntu CD in it loads the live version then when I click the instal icon it starts and goes through the screens until the partitions and hangs.  It does not see the hard drive in the live version either so it seems as it cannot read my ATA HHD03:00
pygiugh, sata discs ;-/03:01
spaceyi quite like SATA03:02
pawsilverSo now it likes I have to buy Microsoft :(03:02
pygispacey, indeed, but they don't always work03:02
spaceyits probably not the disk but the controller?03:02
pawsilverIf they don't work I'm stuffed03:03
pygispacey, yup, controller03:03
spaceyyou should at least check what chip is on the board03:03
spaceyand file a bug03:03
pawsilverHow do I sort out the controller?03:03
spaceyif it really doesn't work out with the controller, a quick solution would be to buy a 10 euro pci sata controller that works.03:04
spaceypawsilver: if you type `lspci` in a terminal03:04
spaceyit should be listed03:04
spaceyand second you could look into dmesg to see if you see anything detected there03:05
pawsilverWhat terminal?03:05
spaceyon the livecd03:05
spaceythe "Dos prompt"03:05
pawsilverok I'll try03:05
pawsilverWhat do I do after that?03:06
spaceyyou can try to look for similar problems in launchpad03:07
spaceyand if you can't find it file a bug03:07
spaceyi have to go now:)03:07
spaceyvisitors03:07
spaceygl03:07
pawsilverok thanx03:07
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bddebianHey folks03:48
ograhi bddebian 03:49
bddebianHeya ogra03:49
highvoltagehey bddebian 03:50
bddebianHi highvoltage03:50
bddebianhighvoltage: Were you the one telling me about ubuntu-libre?03:50
highvoltagebddebian: yep03:51
highvoltagebddebian: how difficult would it really be to build a 100% free ubuntu CD? if you just build a cd and only use the 'main' source, then it should be an 'ubuntu-libre' CD, shouldn't it?03:53
ograyou'd have to drop l-r-m03:53
ograthats the only nonfree stuff we ship03:53
highvoltagel-r-m?03:56
bddebianhighvoltage: That shouldn't be difficult no03:56
bddebianlinux-restricted-modules03:56
highvoltageah, right. i figured it out just before you said it.03:57
highvoltagei was about to ask about that :)03:57
highvoltageogra: do you know much about troubleshooting 3d graphics. i'm really struggling to get it working again on my laptop and the docs/#ubuntu couldn't help me either :/04:00
ogracard ?04:01
ograi heard ati has dropped some support from fglrx with the recent version04:02
highvoltageati card. radeon 9000 on thinkpad t42.04:07
highvoltageit does seem that the driver doesn't support my card.04:07
highvoltagethe thing is, it did have 3D with the default installation with the 'ati' driver. but now i can't get 3D to work again with it :/04:07
ograhmm, that'd be a fabbione question ...04:08
highvoltagei think i'll try to bug him a bit when he's around04:09
ograyep04:09
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ograheh04:17
highvoltageogra: more than 1500 hits from distrowatch today, hey04:34
ogra:)04:34
highvoltageseems like our top searches revolve around content filtering04:35
ograyep as i always say, Amaranth wil save our asses :)04:35
bddebianHmm :-)04:35
highvoltage:)04:36
ograhey, we climbed 6 places on the monthly distrowatch stats in the last 3 days04:38
ograerr 4 places, sorry04:38
highvoltagefor the last 7 days, we've had more hits than Xandros :)04:38
ograhehe04:38
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highvoltageit's another RHEL clone04:43
ograyes04:43
ograi'm astonished its a server distro04:43
ograi'd have expected a mediacenter thingie or something with this name04:43
highvoltagei'm astonished that someone would use something like that, when they can use ubuntu-server and get supported updates, etc for free/easy.04:44
highvoltageon tinysopha/centos/whitebox, you have to wait for the community to take the sources from the RH site and recompile them04:44
ogratell that to the CTOs of this world04:44
highvoltagethat's what i'm doing :P04:45
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blue-frogif i remasterize a livecd with language and add/remove apps, when I install it from ubiquity will my remasterised cd be installed or ubiquity is following a fixed schem?06:01
blue-frogscheme*06:01
ograit uses what d-i uses ... preseed files06:04
ograubiquity is onl a debian-installer frontend06:04
blue-froghumph what I feared ty06:04
blue-frogoh but then I can change the preseed file?06:05
ograsure06:05
blue-frogah better, lots of know for the non-dev I am but not impossible, good news..06:06
blue-froglots of work*06:06
blue-frogwould you have a handy command to find out all packages installed, pls?06:07
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ogralook at the .list files in the CD download directory06:07
blue-frogok ty but i meant in a console on a running OS06:08
ograhave a look at germinate06:08
blue-frogty06:08
ograbut that requires some understanding of seeds06:08
blue-frogah :(06:08
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highvoltages_: hey, what's up?08:48
highvoltageedubuntu distrowatch count for last 24h up to 1600.08:48
highvoltage629 hits from heise. wow.08:49
ogra:)08:50
highvoltage85 from google searches.08:50
highvoltage100 from http://barrapunto.com/08:50
highvoltagethe most come from the ubuntu sites though08:50
highvoltage7492- http://www.ubuntu.com/08:50
highvoltage3226- http://www.ubuntu.com/download08:51
highvoltage1533- http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop08:51
highvoltage1011- http://www.ubuntu.com/server08:51
highvoltage972- http://www.xubuntu.org/08:51
highvoltageand that's just for the last 24h :)08:51
highvoltage57 from jsgotangco's blog :)08:52
highvoltage55 from fridge08:52
ograheh08:52
highvoltage42 from wikipedia08:52
highvoltage33 from slashdot.jp08:53
ograis the dvd link in the downloads page ?08:53
highvoltage33 from google.fr and 32 from google.de08:53
=== highvoltage checks
highvoltageit only points to http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/6.06/, which only contains cd images08:54
highvoltagewhere's the correct location for the DVD images?08:54
highvoltageheh. 26 hits from http://spaces.msn.com/tomwng/08:55
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/6.06/release/08:55
juliuxogra, can you write something there? http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/33812/08:55
ograjuliux, i have no clue about KDE bugs or how much manpower there is in the KDE community to fix them08:57
juliuxogra, not about kde bugs08:57
juliuxogra, something why it good if you report a bug08:58
ograwell, its the only way to really get your problem solved ... but i'm not really after having a forum discussion08:58
juliuxok08:59
ogra(apart from not having an account)08:59
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highvoltagegoodnight, #edubuntu09:53
pyginight highvoltage 09:53
highvoltagenight pygi!09:53
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dmHello, what language is spoken here?10:28
pygidm, english ;)10:28
dmI'm trying to set some kernel options for the PXE clients. I'm using ubuntu's ltsp server implementation 0.87. In a wiki entry (http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#Solution_when_using_PXE) I found the line to append.10:30
dm But _my_ file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default has only one line: "DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash". If I add "MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048,proto=tcp" the clients ignore this and mount their nfs root fs via udp with 32k blocksize.10:30
dmCan anyone tell me if the syntax has changed or how to get it work?10:31
lucasvodm: edubuntu doesn't support the LTSP way of ltsp :)10:31
pygilucasvo, what a statement :P10:31
lucasvowe use the muecow implementation10:31
lucasvopygi: well, how would you call it?10:31
pygilucasvo, none, just joking :) relax :)10:32
lucasvoyeah, I am chilling, don't worry :)10:33
dmSo how can I tell the clients (the ones with only 10 Mbit connection) to use smaller blocksize or even tcp?10:33
lucasvoI would ask in #ltps10:33
dmJust did that ;-)10:34
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dmThey only know the way describes in the wiki.10:35
ogradm, see /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/nfs10:35
ograyou need to set NFSOPTS, not MOPTS10:35
dmogra: What is MOPTS then?10:36
ograprobably an option used in initrd driven systems, initramfst respects NFSOPTS as you can see in the bootscript10:37
dmOk, I'll try that (tomorrow).10:37
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ogradm, "I'm using ubuntu's ltsp server implementation 0.87 (that's AFAIK what LTSP 4.2 is based upon)"10:39
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ogradm, they are two completely separate developments10:40
dmOh, then I misunderstood something ...10:40
dmogra, On http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntufaq I found "Beezy bringt eine eigene Implementation (ltsp 0.58) mit. Ltsp.org hat die breezy Implementierung fr sich in die entwicklungs Version ltsp 4.2 bernommen und arbeitet aktiv and der weiterentwicklung fr dapper mit."10:42
ogradm, autsch, das stimmt so nich10:43
lucasvofatal falsch10:44
dmMmh, das wei ich jetzt auch.10:44
ogranaja, der letzte part stimmt10:44
lucasvoes ist nicht mehr kompatibel zu einander10:45
ogravllt sollten wir nach #edubuntu-de gehn :)10:45
lucasvojo10:45
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HedgeMagehi LaserJock 11:10
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pygiHey HedgeMage :)11:39
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finchhi to all just loaded edubuntu on my laptop benq 5500u all seem to work except the onbroad wireless11:58
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finchseem to find it ok try to config find the router but no traffic is received?12:00

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