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dickhall_hrm.. I have a work social in an hour, I should co-opt into a Dapper release party12:07
robotgeekthere is nothign near me, sigh12:07
Riddelldickhall_: at activestate?12:08
dickhall_Riddell: technically, no. My company (Sophos) recently sold activestate and they moved into a different building12:11
dickhall_but our networks are still linked, so that's what my host shows up as12:11
dickhall_and I can still receive activestate mail and such12:11
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dickhall_I think I liked it more than my @ea.com email, though at EA it was cool to have Wil Wright show up as a potential autocomplete when I typed 'W' in outlook12:14
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kwwii_inkscapeapachelogger: ping?12:30
apacheloggerkwwii_inkscape: pong12:30
marseillaii would like to know if avahi can set my /etc/fstab if a new folder is share with nfs on the network ? or it can only announce that there is a new share folder ?12:30
kwwii_inkscapeapachelogger: we had to change parts of the sript back because we are scaling the smaller sizes with different options than the big ones12:31
apacheloggeroh12:31
kwwii_inkscapebut your changes make it look much nicer than mine :-)12:32
apacheloggergonna look into it :)12:32
kwwii_inkscape32 and down are scaled with a sharpen filter12:32
kwwii_inkscapeoh, and we changed the filter for scaling on all of them to Sinc12:32
kwwii_inkscapealthough I think we will use the  Lanczos filter for the bigger ones and the Sinc for the smaller ones in the end12:34
kwwii_inkscapein addition we might need to add a way to render the really small ones from different svgs :-(12:35
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Flosoftnite @ all12:48
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halcyonCorsairhi, i was wondering if someone could help me build knetworkmanager on amd5312:53
halcyonCorsairerr, amd6412:53
kwwii_inkscapewhere did svn go?12:54
kwwii_inkscapewhy can't I install svn anymore? ie no package called svn?12:54
apacheloggerkwwii_inkscape: was never called svn I think12:56
apacheloggerapt-get install subversion12:56
kwwii_inkscapeaha.12:56
kwwii_inkscapekdesvn works, but there is no "svn 12:56
kwwii_inkscape" command12:56
pygiapachelogger, yup, it was never called svn12:57
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kwwii_inkscapehehe12:58
kwwii_inkscapethat shows you what happens when you rely on a gui to install packages12:58
pygikwwii_inkscape, hehe :)12:58
apacheloggerhm12:58
apacheloggerI think adept shows up subversion when searching for svn :P12:58
kwwii_inkscapeso how in the hell did kdesvn do it without installing subversion?12:58
apacheloggerkwwii_inkscape: probably only needs the library 12:59
apacheloggerin earlier versions kdesvn was just a gui wrapper for svn - but now it's a full featured gui client for libsvn I think12:59
kwwii_inkscapeahaa12:59
kwwii_inkscapei c12:59
kwwii_inkscapethat explains why it worked now and before it always crashed on me01:00
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kwwii_inkscapeok, going to sleep01:12
kwwii_inkscapenight all01:12
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bddebianHello01:28
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Tonio_http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/compiz/kde/window-decorator/10:18
Tonio_sounds like we'll not get compiz running on kde before kde4....10:18
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LureTonio_: who needs compiz - I would much rather get some X polish than XGl and similar...10:59
Tonio_Lure: compiz can work with aiglx or anything11:01
Tonio_no need of xgl for this11:01
Tonio_xgl only provides opengl support11:01
Tonio_what to use with it ? compiz ;)11:01
LureTonio_: what I am saying is we need more improvements in X in direction of config/autodetect/multihead support11:01
Lurethen fancy 3d/comiz stuff ;-)11:02
Tonio_Lure: don't forget gnome supports it, vista will be d3d based, osx supports opengl....11:02
Tonio_only kde doesn't at the moment give the possibility of 3D effects on the desktop11:02
LureTonio_: I agree, but until my notebook will boot with blank screen it does not help me... :-(11:03
Tonio_I know11:03
Tonio_;)11:03
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Hobbseehi room11:42
Hobbseehi people in the room11:42
Riddelleh oh11:45
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Hobbseeoh hi Riddell!11:52
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Tonio_Riddell: hey !! did you see the opendocument foundation announcement ?11:55
Riddellnope11:55
Tonio_Riddell: they will soon release an msoffice plugin to fully support opendocument in it ;)11:55
Tonio_it is currently tested in the massachussets11:56
Tonio_Riddell: that could help for a koffice integration in kubuntu !11:56
Riddellhow?11:58
Tonio_Riddell: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2006050401543830811:59
Tonio_Riddell: since it would be easy to explain to an ms office user how to convert to od format without installing a new office suite....11:59
Tonio_as long as there is an easy way to help people to use a standard, there will be less issues in implementing koffice don't you think ?12:00
Tonio_if you talk about native support in kubuntu, don't forget that we don't support wmv, wma, mp3 etc...12:00
Tonio_so the user that want doc support could install OOo the same way he instals libxine-extracodecs for example...12:00
Tonio_btw this is my opinion12:01
Tonio_Riddell: what do you think about this ?12:01
Riddellthe lack of mp3 and wmv is because we can't ship support, not because we happen to think one solution is technically better12:03
Tonio_indeed12:03
Tonio_Riddell: so if I understand correctly, we will not see koffice in kubuntu soon... :(12:06
marseillai_Riddell: isn't it possible to propose during installation to enable multiverse/restricted then if user say yes then propose to install libxine and restricted-formats ?12:09
LureTonio_: how do you get @ubuntu.com mail account as member?12:09
Luremarseillai_: I think the problem is that you would need to pus some nasty legal disclaimers there...12:10
RiddellTonio_: it has less features and less stability than openoffice12:11
Riddellmarseillai_: restricted is in there12:12
Riddellyou could question why libxine-extracodecs isn't in restricted, but that's up to Mark12:12
LureRiddell: I would agree - I use both interchangabily and they both have they +/-12:12
Lures/they/their/12:12
HobbseeLure: it seems to get automatically set up, and points to your default mail in launchpad12:12
Lureit is probably more more safe choise to stay with OOo12:13
LureHobbsee: really? so it is just mail forwarder? will try it...12:13
HobbseeLure: you can send from it12:13
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Hobbseecome to think of it, i probably could.12:14
LureHobbsee: yes, it works...12:17
Lurethanks12:17
HobbseeLure: yay :)12:17
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Tonio_Riddell: I must say I don't agree concerning stability.... OOo has always crashed quite often here (and more than koffice concerning my experience)12:27
Tonio_Riddell: concerning functionnalities.... I agree, but at least koffice integrates correctly with kde ;)12:28
=== hunger would favour a move to koffice.
RiddellI already have complaints from Mark and others that we don't ship with firefox12:31
hungerI was wondering why OOo got so "strange" after a upgrade, only to discover 3 days later that I had been using kword all the time;-)12:31
=== hunger mumbles that kubuntu is about kde not kde-and-some-strange-gtk-apps:-)
=== Hobbsee mumbles about how firefox is a better internet browser than konqueror :P
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Riddellyo jpatrick 12:33
hungerHobbsee: You are free to install it:-)12:33
Hobbsee:P oh i do12:34
Hobbseehey jpatrick 12:34
jpatrickhi Riddell, Hobbsee12:34
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hungerHobbsee: And it is not. You must be a deluded gtk-junkie;-)12:34
Hobbseehunger: hehe12:34
hungerHobbsee: I admit that I have FF installed, too... but then I have ubuntu-desktop installed on kubuntu to be able to crosscheck what the gnome crowd is doing.12:35
jpatrickwhen can we start packaging again?12:35
Hobbseehehe....sure sure..12:36
Riddelljpatrick: now!  make us a package of oxygen icons12:36
Hobbseehehe12:36
hungerThe kubuntu part of dapper is really cool by the way. Great work! Thanks Riddell and thanks to all the other devs here.12:37
jpatrickif I could get them somewher12:37
Riddelljpatrick: kde svn trunk/playground/artwork12:37
hungerAre those done yet?12:38
Riddellbuild script is in Ken directory12:38
Riddellbuild-dep on inkscape12:38
hungerHow about adding some more bonjour configs for the next version? (like fish and sftp)12:40
Riddellhunger: we need an option to have zeroconf easy to turn on12:40
hungerRiddell: It is turned on, it is just missing the necessary config files for that to work:-(12:41
Riddellwe don't have avahi-daemon on the CD12:41
Riddellhunger: add this to KubuntuFutureIdeas12:41
Riddellwe'll be needing an avahi spec12:42
hungerRiddell: Yes, the daemon is missing, but the "clientside" is there, working and emensly usefull.12:42
Riddellwell it's only useful if the other machines on the network have avahi turned on :)12:43
hungerRiddell: Please consider adding the config files of lp #33034.12:43
hungerRiddell: There are, at least on those networks I hang out frequently. The upside of working with mac junkies:-)12:44
Lathiat.. avahi doesnt work evenin client without the daemon12:44
Tonio_Riddell: complains we don't use firefox ?? !12:45
Tonio_Riddell: that's a chance ;)12:45
jpatrickRiddell: I did "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/" I don't have a Ken dir tho...12:45
=== Tonio_ compains that kubuntu doesn't use gnome ! that's a shame....
hungerLathiat: avahi advertizes services. The client(s) work with those advertisements. Without avahi you can not publish your own stuff, but you can very well use those provided by others.12:45
Lathiathunger: no, you can't12:46
=== Hobbsee defenestrates Tonio_ for suggesting that.
Lathiatwithout the daemon neither browsing nor publishing operates12:46
Hobbseejpatrick: it's there...might be in the parent directory...search a bit :P12:46
Lathiatnot with avahi (it may well use some other library, e.g. howl)12:46
jpatrickI did12:46
=== Hobbsee found it a while ago
Hobbseemmm okay12:46
Tonio_Hobbsee: that was irony of course ;) kubuntu shiped with firefox would go against the kubuntu purpose....12:46
jpatrickbut it's there, but not here12:47
HobbseeTonio_: hehe true12:47
Tonio_but I wouldn't see any problem using gecko in konqueror it the port had been finished...12:47
Riddelljpatrick: it's there http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/12:47
Tonio_but nobody finished it12:47
jpatrickoh I do have it...12:47
Riddellhunger: Lathiat does know his stuff with avahi :)12:48
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Lathiati think the no port policy shouldnt apply to avahi, because dns resolvers open a dns port too.. :)12:48
Tonio_Riddell: would be nice to have a systemsettings module to control avahi ;)12:48
hungerLathiat: Well, then I had some misunderstandings on how that stuff works.12:48
Lathiatnps :)12:49
=== Tonio_ really needs to learn python this year....
RiddellTonio_: the trouble is it would be all of one tickbox12:49
RiddellTonio_: ah, the perfect learning opportunity :)12:49
Tonio_Riddell: tickbox ?12:49
Riddell"checkbox"12:49
Lathiatperhaps you could put avahi in the nexisting network stuff12:49
Tonio_Riddell: yes ;) I already bought a book, but I have to start....12:49
hungerAhhhh... kde 3.5.3 stops kmix from popping up after each startup!12:49
Lathiathaha12:50
Tonio_Lathiat: in knetworkconf ?12:50
LathiatTonio_: i guess?12:50
hungerand my display suddenly became brighter, too. How did that happen?12:50
Lathiat(im not familiar with what part that is)12:50
jpatrickRiddell: ok, "bash generate_oxg_icons.sh" does nothing apart from output a  lot of text12:50
Riddelluh huh, any paticular text?12:51
jpatrickls: actions/*.svg: No such file or directory12:51
Riddellyou need to run it from Oxygen/theme12:52
Tonio_Riddell: just done that and it works12:54
Tonio_jpatrick: let's work together on the package maybe ?12:54
jpatrickTonio_: It's working12:54
Tonio_jpatrick: cool :12:54
Tonio_;)12:54
jpatrickjust need inkscape12:55
jpatrickTonio_: when shall we work on gnash?12:55
Tonio_jpatrick: when stable version is out maybe ^^12:55
jpatrick:)12:56
Tonio_but that's on my plans for edgy12:56
Tonio_it should be there before edgy is out12:56
Riddellgnash has 101 gnome dependencies :(12:56
pygiRiddell, wth? 101? :-/12:56
Riddellwell, almost that many12:57
jpatrickand i thought Kerry was bad12:57
pygiRiddell, do you need me for any development stuff for edgy except the KDE version of BZR UI?12:57
Tonio_Riddell: damn....12:59
Riddellpygi: whatever you want of course.  a bzr UI would be cool, although I don't know what form that would take12:59
Hobbseehunger: that's probably from your session settings12:59
pygiRiddell, yup, bzr UI will be there and ready for edgy01:00
pygiwhat do you mean by "form"?01:00
jpatrickRiddell: can I use the script geneterated tarball for the pack?01:01
pygiRiddell, the reason why I am asking you is that I don't want to develop something, and then we don't need it :)01:01
Riddellyuriy: ping01:01
Riddelljpatrick: I'd use the script as the build for the package01:02
Riddellpygi: what features would the bzr UI have?01:02
Riddellpygi: and have you looked at keybuk's gnome one?01:02
Riddellyuriy: did you write a spec?01:03
pygiRiddell, init, branch, add, remove, mv, ignore, diff, merge, commit, uncommit, log, check, push, pull, export, conflicts, info, mkdir, nick, revno, version, whoami01:03
pygifor start ... we'll have cherrypicking patches, and such things also01:03
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Flosofthey01:03
pygiRiddell, if you mean bzrk, we'll have a new UI01:03
pygiRiddell, basicly this, but KDE:01:06
pygihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrUI01:06
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Flosoftwow .. the average of transfer rate for the last 24 hours: 89,3Mbyte/s01:08
kmonhi01:09
Riddellnice01:10
kmonRiddell: The ooo patch didn't work01:10
Riddellkmon: hmm, ok, thanks01:10
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MidMarkhi to all!01:11
MidMarkI have make this new wiki page, can be interesting: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole01:11
kmonand as far as the conversation of ooo & firefox, I'll give my 2. The problem here is the "vision" kubuntu has. Is kubuntu a desktop operating system with kde as a base or is kubuntu the best Desktop operating system the kde world offers?01:12
pygiRiddell, back :)01:13
kmonif it is the latter, then kubuntu should keep konqui as the webbrowser & ship with koffice01:13
jpatrickRiddell: this might not work, running generate_oxy_theme.sh makes a tarball, which we'll have to unpack and cp a debian dir to during build process01:13
Hobbseekmon: in one way it doesnt matter - seeing as we have all of gnome at our disposal in the same repos too - but i see your point01:14
Riddelljpatrick: ignore the tar?  it also makes the .pngs ready for use.  or you could just use the tar as the .orig01:15
Riddellhmm no, the tar doesn't have the .svg files in it01:15
kmonHobbsee: yes, it's really a social thing, since the average joe coming to kubuntu doesn't know what's kde/gnome and really just want an OS that works01:15
MidMarkRiddell: I need only an information-> the kubuntu cd contains italian language? I have only the dvd...01:15
jpatrickI'll see what I can do01:15
RiddellMidMark: which CD?01:16
Hobbseekmon: true01:16
MidMarkRiddell: kubuntu alternate/desktop cd (dapper)01:16
kmonHobbsee: but then again, that average joe will probably want flash, mp3 & other things out of the box01:16
Riddellarchitecture?01:16
Tonio_MidMark: on adept's top priorities I think ability to set an http proxy would go before everything...01:16
HobbseeMidMark: kdesu kate.  not sudo kate.01:16
kmonbut that's another thing01:17
MidMarkTonio_: ok, is there a bug for that?01:17
MidMarkHobbsee: why?01:17
Tonio_MidMark: I already did a kde bug and told mornfall about this, but he didn't seems interested at the moment :(01:17
MidMarkHobbsee: ok01:18
Tonio_Riddell: afaik oxygen isn't supposed to be complete is it ?01:18
MidMarkTonio_: what a pitty :(01:18
HobbseeTonio_: not yet, no01:18
Hobbseebut some are there, and really pretty :)01:18
Tonio_Hobbsee: okay, cause I was seeing a few missing stuff testing it01:18
MidMarkRiddell: all, I want to know where ita is present or not... all type of cds01:18
RiddellMidMark: see the seeds http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/01:20
Riddellship is the alternate CD, live is the desktop CD01:20
Tonio_Riddell: I'm looking at the debian/control provided with cvs gnash repo and I don't see gnome dependancies.... except mozilla-dev maybe01:21
Tonio_that probably just to build the mozilla plugin01:22
RiddellTonio_: URL?01:22
kmonI was thinking the other day about a nice feature kubuntu in amd64 could have. If multiarch is not ready for edgy, kubuntu could provide a script/python app to install a couple of 32bit apps in a separate directory (webbrowser & media player mainly) and have easy access to flash & other things that don't work in amd6401:22
Tonio_Riddell: export CVS_RSH="ssh" && cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gnash co gnash01:23
Tonio_Riddell: you will get a "packaging" folder containing debian01:23
mornfallTonio_: patches, patches...01:23
mornfallTonio_: proxy setup is not interesting for me since i never use it :p01:24
Tonio_mornfall: that wasn't a critisize !!!! you did so much for dapper version !01:24
Tonio_mornfall: just plz keep that upo in the head for some day ;)01:24
Tonio_mornfall: the problem is that setting apt for prooxy usage is quite complicated01:25
Tonio_mornfall: don't min, that didn't made me go back to synaptic ;)01:25
mornfallTonio_: that's fine and i didn't take offence or anything :)01:25
mornfallTonio_: just being realistic01:26
mornfallTonio_: in that it's not going to happen by itself and it's very low priority for me01:26
Tonio_mornfall: sure :)01:26
mornfallTonio_: even if you are a nice guy and all, but i'm sooo lazy and usually loaded enough to keep me away from things like this01:26
Tonio_mornfall: the big problem for me is that I think it should be possible to set a global proxy settings for all linux environnment01:27
Tonio_but that's nor a standard in lsb....01:27
Riddellis that part of portland?01:27
Tonio_Riddell: don't now, but should ;)01:28
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Tonio_Riddell: we could eventually discuss that in paris with kde guys01:28
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Tonio_actually every application is using it's own internal process for proxy01:28
Tonio_except kde apps that sometimes use konqueror settings on that point01:29
mornfallnoone really uses http proxying because it's just too daft :p01:29
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mornfalldo they?01:29
mornfalli could imagine corporations would tend to do that01:29
Tonio_mornfall: in companies, everyone uses a proxy01:29
Tonio_nat is simply incompatible with companies needs01:29
LureTonio_: really? we use NAT...01:29
Hobbseemornfall: i'm seeing trouble with the adept not opening again...01:29
Hobbseeno, wait, here it is.01:29
Tonio_Lure: nat only gives a very low level of control, no caching etc....01:30
mornfallcompanies need to learn to use transparent proxying01:30
LureTonio_: true, but who needs caching this days... ;-)01:30
Tonio_mornfall: well companies don't want to since they don't want to open all network and web, and I can understand this ;)01:30
Tonio_do they want people to use emule, P2P, porn websites etc??? no ;)01:30
mornfallTonio_: transparent proxy can do everything a non-transparent one can01:31
Tonio_Lure: 40 000 computers companies need caching ;)01:31
mornfallTonio_: you just need to forward the packets the right way01:31
jpatrickRiddell: oh I see, working on it now01:31
Tonio_mornfall: are you talking about socks5 proxies ?01:31
mornfallTonio_: nono01:31
mornfallTonio_: about gateway doing smart things with packets01:32
Tonio_mornfall: exemples of what is a transparent proxy ?01:32
mornfalllike looking inside them and if they are http passing to a proxy instead of forwarding01:32
Tonio_mornfall: well, nat + advanced firewalls like chekpoint can do the job, but that's a pain to manage ;)01:32
Tonio_and uses hudge ressources to analyse tcp/ip packets......01:33
mornfallit's less pain to manage than going around 40k computers and setting up proxy on each ;-)01:33
Tonio_mornfall: well in a windows environnement, you don't have to go over the 40 000 computers ;)01:34
Tonio_mornfall: ever eared about what gpo are ?01:34
mornfalland if you do managed rollout (like everyone does), you can easily set up the proxy for apt centrally01:34
Tonio_you can reconfigure all your computers in a centralized way with a very few clicks :)01:34
mornfallyour argument is MOOT01:34
Tonio_mornfall: I'm just saying that's possible ;)01:34
mornfallno, you say that adept needs proxy setup gui to be useful inside companies01:35
Tonio_yup01:35
mornfalland it turns out noone is using gui click-click on every computer inside a company anyway01:35
Tonio_mornfall: no, I think adept should frontend apt to set proxy in it :)01:35
mornfallso it's for the marginal cases of people abusing company network to update their laptops01:35
Tonio_hum.... that makes sense indeed01:36
mornfallin which case they should know what they are doing anyway :p01:36
Tonio_but concerning my usage, when I go in several companies with my laptop, it is quite a pain to set the proxy manually every morning, and remove it by night at home....01:36
Tonio_I would like to click for this ;)01:36
kmonanyone: how do I unsinstall build-deps?01:36
mornfallTonio_: it's not *that* hard to implement :P01:37
Tonio_mornfall: yes, but I can't learn C++ to do it myself ^_^01:37
HobbseeTonio_: sure you can :P01:37
Tonio_if I could have done it, I would already have done it ;)01:37
mornfallthat's weak01:37
mornfallwhat Hobbsee says01:38
mornfallif it's important enough, you will do it01:38
Tonio_Hobbsee: I don't want to learn coding since I already have so much to learn on the sysadmin part....01:38
mornfallif it's not, it's not :-)01:38
mornfallif it's not important enough for you to do it, it's not important enough for me to do it either :-)01:38
mornfallnow that's a good argument01:38
HobbseeTonio_: ah okay.  i thought i was the only non-coder on the kcc...01:38
Hobbseeheh @ mornfall 01:38
mornfalli should use it to close annoying wishlist items01:39
Tonio_Hobbsee: well, if you want to do everything, you will do everything badly ;)01:39
HobbseeTonio_: well...true01:39
mornfallyou could still learn being a really good sysadmin, earn loads of money and pay me to do it for you :] 01:39
Tonio_mornfall: hehe, good point ;)01:40
Hobbseehehe @ mornfall 01:40
Luremornfall: that is even better one...;-)01:40
kmonRiddell: how do I unisnstall build-deps of a package?01:40
kmonI would like to Undo yesterday ooo try01:41
mornfalli sort of hate planet01:41
Hobbseemornfall: why so?   what's it done now?01:42
Hobbseekmon: apart from removing them one by one, manually?  i dont know01:42
kmonwhere's apt log?01:42
mornfallHobbsee: it shows my posts twice :p01:42
Hobbseekmon: besides, why are you not building in a pbuilder, if you want to avoid a lot of dev stuff on your computer01:42
kmonI only see aptitude's01:42
mornfallohwell01:42
Hobbseemornfall: ah, great01:42
kmonHobbsee: because I'm really new to all this01:43
kmon:)01:43
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kmonhehe01:43
Hobbseekmon: see your private link from ubotu01:43
kmonthanks01:43
kmonand the apt log?01:44
kmoncan't find it in /var/log01:44
jpatrick /var/log/dpg01:45
jpatrickdpkg01:45
kmonthanks jpatrick01:46
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jpatrickimbrandon_: maybe you should get an ubuntu cloak01:52
imbrandon_jpatrick: yes i'm just waiting on seveas or lilo to do it01:55
Hobbseeimbrandon_: poke seveas to do it, when you see him around01:56
imbrandon_seveas said a few weeks ago that he was going to take care of it but nothing yet, he was probbly busy with dapper release01:56
imbrandon_yea i will again , was just giving him some breathing room ;)01:56
Hobbsee:)01:56
imbrandon_btw heya Hobbsee jpatrick 01:56
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jpatrickhey01:57
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imbrandon_heh , bootleg what ?02:05
jpatrick[[Bootleg] ] 02:05
imbrandon_oh02:05
imbrandon_;)02:05
=== Tonio_ packages gnash to give a shot ;)
MidMarkTonio_: system services is part of kde-guidance?02:06
imbrandon_yea i threw apt-mirror up on REVU yesterday if anyone wants to give it a look ;) * not like theres not plenty of time for edgy hehe *02:06
Tonio_MidMark: yup, developped by _Sime02:07
Tonio_Riddell: looks like you're right.... libgtk2.0-dev is now required as a build dep...02:11
Tonio_Riddell: debian folder is outdated...02:11
RiddellTonio_: is cairo needed?02:12
Tonio_Riddell: I didn't finished the build-dep new list, but I will tell you02:12
Tonio_Riddell: ./macros/cairo.m4 looks like yes but I don't know if that's an option...02:14
Tonio_Riddell: I thought gnash was opengl based...02:14
Tonio_Riddell: looks like it can be compiled with cairo, but that's an option.... I have to perform the full packaging to be sure02:17
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\shmoins02:21
Hobbseehey \sh :)02:21
\shI'm tired :(02:23
Tonio_hey \sh ;)02:23
\shRiddell: I updated to 3.5.3 and suddenly the kdm login input fields are missing a frame...02:23
Tonio_\sh: confirmed02:24
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Riddell\sh: I saw that too02:25
RiddellI wonder if you have to explicity turn them on now02:26
\shRiddell: another thing in kubiquity ;) I added 4 partitions and when you are at the stage where you define the mountpoints, it's going out of the frame02:28
\shI wonder if we can change the UI to kdevdesigner widgets and find a better way for this UI02:29
jpatrickhttp://kubuntu.pastebin.com/75537102:29
jpatrickthat's just annoying02:29
Riddell\sh: got a screenshot?02:31
\shRiddell: I provide one on tuesday when I install the next t4302:32
Riddelljpatrick: put generate_oxy_theme.sh in theme/02:32
Riddellcd theme/ && ./generate_oxy_theme.sh02:33
jpatrickRiddell: it just won't run it02:33
MidMark\sh: also for me, but the gui add the fifth elemnt at the point you set the mount point for the forth02:33
MidMark\sh: of course it is not so user friendly02:33
Riddelljpatrick: using cd in a makefile doesn't work, you need to have it on the same line as the command02:34
Riddellcd theme/ && ./generate_oxy_theme.sh02:34
\shMidMark: well, it's a problem with the frame widget around this...02:34
MidMark\sh: out of frame you mean out of the window? Ah no it is another problem peraphs02:34
\shno...02:34
\shout of a frame...02:34
MidMark\sh: that means?02:34
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\shMidMark: there is a frame widget around the list of partitions and mountpoints02:36
\shMidMark: this frame is not resized properly02:36
MidMark\sh: I had no problems with 5 partitions, probably the resolution can be the trick? Mine was 1024x76802:37
\shMidMark: 1400xsomething 02:37
MidMarksomething less or more than 768? I think more...02:38
\shMidMark: ati graphicscard in an ibm t4302:38
\shMidMark: window was maximized02:38
MidMarkthat is strange, I have also a screenshot...02:38
Tonio_Riddell: confirmed, it is possible (according to the readme) to build gnash without gtk/cairo if we use opengl02:40
MidMark\sh: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot224ml.png02:44
\shMidMark: and the frame wasn't resized during my install02:45
RiddellTonio_: interesting02:45
\shbut it could also be a glitch with native xorg ati drivers02:45
MidMark\sh: understood now, I used nv native xorg02:46
Tonio_Riddell: well, the readme claims this, but I have a few issues disabling the gtk features ;) maybe the readme is outdated too :(02:46
Tonio_\sh: agree yes..02:46
\shIMHO a better ui approach would be to have a klistview with listviewitems 02:47
\shand one cell shows the partition, the other cell shows a dropdown with the mountpoints, needs to be editable, and the next cell shows a checkbox for "format"02:47
\shthe list is scrollable, and we don't have problems with resizing frames anymore02:48
MidMark\sh: yep, also adding rows can be more easy, just adding an "add" and "remove" buttons for ex02:49
MidMarkguys I have left 3 problems: 1) why my network at boot doesn't ask for an ip from the router's dhcp? I need to disable and enable in order to have one...02:51
\shMidMark: networkmanager installed?02:51
MidMark\sh: if not by default then not... I'll see02:52
\shMidMark: if not, it should ask by default...or the nic is not initialized when dhcp is starting.....02:53
MidMark\sh: not installed, I have to install it in order to have a simply dhcp?02:53
\shMidMark: no...check /etc/network/interfaces..02:54
\shMidMark: auth eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp should be there somehow02:54
\shauto eth0 sorry not auth02:54
\shMidMark: and it's working normally, checked it yesterday during my installs02:55
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marco_\sh: I'm Midmark, nope with settings you said ip is not released for me03:02
Hobbseemarco_: why dont you ghost midmark?03:03
marco_Hobbsee: waiting for timeout03:03
Hobbseemarco_: if it's registered, you can ghost it03:03
Hobbseefreenode doesnt often time out nicks :(03:03
marco_it's not registered03:03
Hobbseeah03:04
\shmarco_: hmm...can you check the syslog etc. to see if he tries to do a dhcprequest?03:04
Tonio_Riddell: you'll love this ;) there is several gui configurable, gtk, sdl or kde ;)03:05
Tonio_hehe03:05
Tonio_but the documentation is almost incomplete......03:05
marco_\sh: 03/06/2006 15:00:52localhostdhclientDHCPREQUEST on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 6703:05
marco_\sh: yes it does, but no ip, I have to disable and enable via gui, then I have an ip03:06
\shmarco_: hmmm..try it from the commandline with sudo dhclient3 eth003:07
\shbut it should work, or your dhcp is not fast enough to answer the request :)03:07
marco_now I have an ip bacause i have disable/enabled eth0... I have to reboot?03:07
marco_\sh: works with breezy before... timeout is changed?03:08
\shmarco_: i thought so03:11
marco_\sh: there is in order: dhcprelease on eth0, dhcpack from 192.168.1.1, dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255, a dhcpoffer from 192.168.1.1 and a dhcprequest on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 that is strange03:11
marco_\sh: see this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755457 there is a "network unreachable"03:13
\shmarco_: strange network ;)03:14
marco_anyway here dhcp doesn't work, only static ips03:15
marco_of course I cannot enabled/disabled all the times I boot03:15
\shmarco_: i think it's a timeout problem or something which has to do with initialization of the card...03:16
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MidMark\sh: should I bug report?03:16
\shMidMark: pls file a bug with this pastebin output and what router you have, and the NIC hardware etc.03:16
MidMark\sh: ok :)03:16
MidMark2) during installation hw-detect I think fails to recognize the native resolution of my lcd, I have changed the monitor from generic monitor and putted 1280x1024, all is ok except this change is only for my user, when I back to the login screen is 1024x768 that is frustrating03:18
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imbrandon_did you change the default in xorg.conf or just in the kde control pannel03:22
imbrandon_kdm uses whats in xorg03:22
imbrandon_correct ?03:22
MidMarkimbrandon_: I have changed in control panel with admin password, yes changed also xorg.conf but the login is still in 1024x768 I think03:24
MidMarkyes, kdm take which resolution? xorg.conf?03:28
\shlaters03:28
kmonjpatrick: how are you doing with the oxygen package? :)03:42
jpatrickkmon: it takes ages to build03:43
kmonare those icons in svg or pixmaps? (or both)03:43
jpatrickand keeps saying: inkscape:7366): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_list_devices: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed03:44
jpatrickSVG03:44
kmonhow does kde3 handle svg icons? AFAIk wallpapers aren't well supported03:44
kmonor at least that's my experience03:44
apokryphoswallpaper is very well supported03:44
apokryphosbut svg for iconsets isn't very well supported yet03:45
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RiddellKDE uses libart for both SVG wallpapers and icon sets03:45
Riddellit's not great03:45
kmonI've tried to change a kdm theme with svg and it didn't look correctly03:45
apokryphoswasn't it you that added svg support for wallpapers to kde? ;-)03:45
Riddellyes03:46
Tonio_Riddell: fyi, gnash give the possibility to build a kpart (klash), sounds very very cool ;)03:46
apokryphosgood stuff 8)03:46
RiddellTonio_: I'll believe it when I see it :)03:46
jpatrickTonio_: that is old03:47
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Tonio_Riddell: I'm reading the complete doc actually ;) but opengl + dsl + klash would make it independant from gtk or even mozilla plugin ;)03:47
Tonio_jpatrick: yes but it wasn't working before, when the doc actually says it works ;)03:47
jpatrickcool03:47
bddebianHello03:48
jpatrickhi bddebian03:49
kmonHobbsee: I've added some package recommendations to your "anything else?" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings03:49
bddebianHello jpatrick03:49
Hobbseekmon: cool :)  i just saw the email notification for it03:49
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kmonbasically I think it would be cool to have updated packages or most used apps03:50
bddebianHi Hobbsee03:50
kmonmultimedia03:50
Hobbseeheya bddebian 03:50
kmonoffice03:50
kmonand kde03:50
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kmonas long as they work in amd64 ;) (which is my arch and it's giving problems lately)03:51
Hobbseehehe03:51
kubuntutaotaomy desktop cd is not installed,why03:52
Riddellkubuntutaotao: ?03:52
jpatrickthis thing takes ages to build03:55
freeflying|awayRiddell: kubuntutaotao can not use livecd03:55
freeflying|awayRiddell: seems something not good with ati's driver03:56
kubuntutaotaoRidde11:the drivers of ati is not fit my ATI video card,in installing,black screen03:56
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jpatricki see freeflying|away's psyhic03:56
kubuntutaotaoRidde11:i did not see anything,then i could not install system03:57
kubuntutaotaoRiddell, "kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso" is livecd?03:58
apokryphoskubuntutaotao: desktop CD, which is a Live CD with an installer03:58
Riddelltry the alternate CD then and fiddle with your xorg.conf later04:00
kubuntutaotaoapokryphos, faint...04:01
freeflying|awaykubuntutaotao: are you ok?04:01
apokryphoskubuntutaotao: #kubuntu is more suited for support, too :)04:01
kubuntutaotaoRiddell, ok.i try it out04:01
kubuntutaotaofreeflying|away, ok.i try it agian.but alternate,maybe installed ever.04:03
kubuntutaotaoapokryphos, :) thx.i try "alternate" agian04:03
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kmonRiddell: I've started filing bugs about your unofficial packages in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuUnofficialPackages I don't know if you're aware04:21
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kmonHobbsee: wrong channel ;)04:22
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Hobbseeyes, but it's more okay to be crazy and offtopic in here than it is in u-devel04:23
kmonHobbsee: isn't that a conversation in u-devel?04:23
kmonohh04:23
kmonok04:23
Hobbseeit was, yeah :P04:23
kmonyou were just pointing it out for k-devel04:23
kmonok04:23
kmonhehe04:23
Hobbseeyes.  mind you, that does exclude some painful users.04:24
kmon?04:24
Hobbseewho if they come to the next meeting and disrupt yet again....well...04:24
jpatrickthese icons are still building after one hour04:24
imbrandon_jez jpatrick 04:24
Hobbseeouch jpatrick!04:25
kmonenglish is not my native language...04:25
Hobbseekmon: there are various annoying users - one in particular...who a lot of people would like to mute.  he might get thrown off a cliff :P04:25
imbrandon_kmon: dont feel bad , it is mine and i have a hard time with it at times ;)04:25
jpatrickkmon: y castellano no es la mia :P04:25
kmonHobbsee: I'm sorry to hear that04:26
jpatrickHobbsee: lol04:26
Riddellkmon: I am now04:26
kmonimbrandon_: I'm supposed to speak english fluently... or at least 4 years ago... my university studies have left it as a low priority04:27
imbrandon_;)04:27
kmonjpatrick: :P04:27
kmonRiddell: great04:27
jpatrickRiddell: do you know how I could remove these errors? They're slowing down the build process http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/75557104:28
Hobbseekmon: that amarok bug is already listed on launchpad04:29
Riddelljpatrick: no idea04:29
jpatrickrunning ./gener*.sh takes a minute but in pbuilder an hour04:30
Riddellprobably the lack of X confuses inkscape04:30
Riddellexplicity unsettings DISPLAY might help04:31
jpatrickoh great04:31
jpatrickit finished building04:31
jpatrickthen...04:31
jpatrickcd theme/oxygen && cp -r * debian/kde-icons-oxygen/usr/share/icons/oxygen04:31
jpatrickcp: target `debian/kde-icons-oxygen/usr/share/icons/oxygen' is not a directory04:31
kmonHobbsee: ok, thanks04:31
kmonI'm polishing the page a bit04:31
Riddellyou'll be wanting to mkdir -p that directory first04:32
Riddellyou probably also want to touch a build-stamp so that you don't have to make it all again if you run debuild -nc04:32
jpatrickI put "kde-icons-oxygen/usr/share/icons/oxygen" into debian/dirs04:32
jpatrickmaybe without kde-icons-oxygen...04:33
Riddellsounds like a good idea04:34
jpatrickhow do I unset DISPLAY?04:34
apacheloggerunset DISPLAY ;-)04:34
jpatrickwoah04:35
imbrandon_ssh 192.168.1.504:36
imbrandon_grr whoops04:36
jpatrickapachelogger: hmm, command not found04:40
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apacheloggerjpatrick: btw, why would you unset the display?04:41
jpatrickstop inkscape from being confused04:41
apacheloggerOo04:42
apacheloggerjpatrick: unsetting the display will probably confuse it anymore04:42
apacheloggerjust set it wherever inkscape is running on04:42
jpatrickas in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/75557104:42
apacheloggerenv | grep DISPLAY04:43
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jpatrickDISPLAY=:0.004:43
apacheloggeromg04:43
apacheloggerwhy is inkspace confused then?!04:44
jpatrickin pbuilder :P04:44
apacheloggerah!04:44
apacheloggerwell04:44
apacheloggerunsetting will probably not help04:44
apachelogger...as in same errors will happen04:44
jpatrickany suggestions?04:44
apacheloggerjpatrick: start crying ;-)04:44
apacheloggerjpatrick: does it influence the exporting?04:45
jpatrickapachelogger: there is no exporting04:45
apacheloggeruhm, not god04:45
apacheloggergood probably ;-)04:46
jpatrickapachelogger: anyhoo we're all made of stars :P04:46
apacheloggerso true that is :P04:46
apacheloggerjpatrick: export without display set works for me04:49
apacheloggerbut the no gui option for inkscape doesn't ;-)04:50
jpatrickI don't know what pbuilder sets it as04:50
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apacheloggerwtf04:51
apacheloggerbah, script broken04:52
apacheloggerjpatrick: inkscape --without-gui --export-png="../oxygen/128x128/"$( echo $icon | cut -d . -f -1 ).png --export-dpi=72 --export-background-opacity=0 --export-width=128 --export-height=128 $icon > /dev/null04:53
apacheloggernote the --without-gui04:53
apacheloggermaybe it works for you04:53
jeroenvrpis it a known issue in kubuntu's kde 3.5.3 that /media/hdc are not automatically mounted (by HAL I presume) ?04:54
jpatrickapachelogger: hey, grrovy04:54
abattoirRiddell: I have modified the wiki( i think you have had a look at it), i posted the link at #ubuntu-devel, but Kamion doesnt seem to be around. 04:54
imbrandonjeroenvrp, my /media/hdc mounts auto ( its my cdrom ) also my dev burner mounts /media/hdd04:54
imbrandon^^ kde 3.5.304:55
abattoiri have a question before starting the porting process. ;) 04:55
jeroenvrpimbrandon: that is strange, I have myself and another user havinf the same exact problmes04:55
jeroenvrpimbrandon: what is your dvd /etc/fstab line?04:55
jeroenvrp3 users allready04:56
imbrandon/dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       004:56
imbrandon/dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       004:56
imbrandonboth automount when i put a cd/dvd in04:56
imbrandonones is a cd/r and ones is a dvd+r04:56
jeroenvrpodd04:56
jeroenvrpI have the same line04:57
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jeroenvrpthe first one04:57
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imbrandontried remmoveing the noauto ?04:58
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\shre05:00
jeroenvrpimbrandon: no, but you have it and was always there05:00
jeroenvrpbut I will try05:00
jeroenvrpimbrandon: that works05:01
jeroenvrpwell that is strange05:01
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jeroenvrpwhy doesnt work with some and the way around05:01
imbrandonjeroenvrp, no clue ...05:02
jeroenvrpRiddell: are you there05:02
Riddellanyone have news for UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter?05:02
Riddelljeroenvrp: hi05:02
jeroenvrpwe have an automount bug in 3.5.305:02
jeroenvrpsome people have it, some don 05:03
jeroenvrpt05:03
imbrandonthats more of ubuntu not kde 3.5.3 specific05:03
jeroenvrpit has to do with , automount05:03
jeroenvrpI mean ,noauto in /etc/fstab05:03
imbrandonRiddell, not i ( news that is )05:03
jeroenvrpimbrandon: has this, me to05:03
jeroenvrphis works, ny won't05:03
jeroenvrpI remove it and know mine works05:04
jeroenvrpimbrandon: can you try to also remove it05:04
imbrandonjeroenvrp, i did thats why i sugested it to you05:04
jeroenvrpimbrandon: ooooh05:04
jeroenvrpso somehow before 3.5.3 nboauto was ignored05:05
kmonRiddell: edgy is about to start. How about a call for specs?05:05
imbrandonbut as i said thats more base ubuntu not kde 3.5.3 specific , as kde dosent touch the /etc/fstab as far as i know ( other than to reaad it )05:05
imbrandonRiddell, yea call for specs ;)05:05
imbrandonhehe05:05
jeroenvrpimbrandon: in 3.5.2 it worked05:06
kmonand maybe leak the kde devs that are invited to attend the paris summit05:06
jeroenvrpoh wait05:06
jeroenvrpI recreated my homedir05:06
Riddellkmon: good idea05:06
apacheloggerjpatrick: works now?05:07
abattoirRiddell: busy? ;) 05:07
abattoiri have a question about the initial porting proces...05:08
kmonRiddell: write something about google SoC proyects relateed to kubuntu if it hasn't been included in other newsletters05:08
jpatrickapachelogger: trying to remember how to patch...05:08
abattoirRiddell: should i use qwidgetfactory to load widgets from the .ui files dynamically(like being done w/ glade) or should i use pyuic?05:09
abattoir*QWidgetFactory :) 05:10
Riddellabattoir: in python you can also include kdesigner05:10
Riddell"import kdedesigner"05:11
Riddell"from myuifile import MyUIClass"05:11
Riddellbut it only works if the file is in the same directory05:11
abattoirRiddell: oh... ok, i'll have a look at it :)05:12
abattoirI can start work right?05:12
Riddellplease do!05:12
abattoiror should i wait till the spec is approved?05:12
Riddellnah, just mind and poke kamion on monday05:13
Riddellhow are you planning to start?05:13
Riddelland where will your code be?05:13
abattoirRiddell: i've looked at the oem-config code05:13
abattoiri'll create a paralell directory and work on it05:13
abattoirmodify glade widgets to Qt ones.05:14
Riddelldoes colin have an archive for oem-config?05:14
abattoirthere is a package called oem-config05:14
abattoiri think main05:14
Riddellhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/05:14
abattoirone sec05:14
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Riddellso you should install bzr05:15
Riddelland  bzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/05:15
abattoirRiddell: ok...05:15
\shRiddell: import kdedesigner is not a good approach..it slows down the startup, just kdepyuic the widgets in a makefile 05:16
Riddellthen bzr add, bzr commit are your friends05:16
Riddellbzr log  to see the revision history05:16
Riddellbzr merge  to pick up new changes from colin05:16
jpatrickRiddell: what were the commands to patch? for something...05:16
Riddelland rsync it to a web server somewhere05:17
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Riddelljpatrick: patch -p0 < foo.diff05:17
Riddell\sh: tell it to abattoir :)05:17
abattoirRiddell: ok thanks :) and about what \sh said?05:17
abattoiraah ok :) 05:17
Riddellyou could also look up how to do a bzr push instead of rsync05:18
\shabattoir: if you create a pykde app don't use pyuic, but the pykde tool :)05:18
abattoir\sh: then it is better to use pyuic?05:18
Riddellexport BZREMAIL="Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>"  before any commit05:18
Riddellwith your name and e-mail of course05:18
\shabattoir: yes05:18
Riddell\sh: use kdepyuic not pyuic05:18
Riddellabattoir: ^^05:19
\shabattoir: but use kdepyuic for pyqt+pykde widgets05:19
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imbrandon\sh, can you use qt4 designer *.ui files with pykde ? ( curious for myself )05:19
abattoir\sh and Riddell: ok, thanks05:19
\shimbrandon: I think with pyqt405:19
imbrandonk05:19
Riddelloh that's a point, you might want to do this in qt 405:19
Riddellif you're feeling adventurous05:19
imbrandon;)05:19
jpatrickRiddell: for debian/rules ?05:19
Riddellbut we don't have python packages for pyqt 4 yet05:19
abattoirRiddell: i have no problem, anyways i'll be learning a lot :) 05:20
\shoh fun...I should start and have a look at pyqt4 packages ;)05:20
imbrandonRiddell, i noticed ;)05:20
Riddelljpatrick: cdbs or debhelper?05:20
=== kmon leaves
kmonbye everyone05:20
jpatrickdebhelper05:20
imbrandonl8tr kmon05:20
jpatrickbye kmon05:20
\shRiddell: when will hurd^Wkde4 be released? ;)05:21
abattoirRiddell: so a kde vesion of oem-config would be called separately(like Ubiquity)?05:21
Riddelljpatrick: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/75567705:21
abattoirRiddell: I mean something like 'oem-config kde-ui' ?05:21
imbrandonkoem-config possibly ;)05:21
Riddell\sh: preview release in october05:22
\shubiquity for kubuntu is named kubiquity ;)05:22
Riddellabattoir: yeah, something like that05:22
Riddellabattoir: look at how ubiquity does it05:22
\shRiddell: so for edgy it's still qt3 and kde305:22
jpatrickRiddell: that's what I needed! thanks.05:22
abattoirRiddell: i'll do that too...05:22
Riddell\sh: ubiquity for kubuntu is NOT NOT NOT kubiquity :)05:22
\shRiddell: hehehe05:22
imbrandonhehehe05:22
Riddell\sh: qt 4 will be in, kde 4 probably not05:22
\shRiddell: hmm...so I need to test kde3 compiled with qt4 ...05:23
Riddellsilly Ubugtu wants too look up kde bug 4 each time I say kde 405:23
imbrandonlol05:23
Riddell\sh: err, that won't work05:23
Riddellqt 3 will still be in05:23
\shRiddell: that's what i meant, if we want a kde application for oem installer, we need to play still with pyqt3/pykde3 05:24
imbrandonRiddell, arent qt4 libs already in dapper ? ( wellif you install them from the repos ? )05:24
Riddellimbrandon: not main05:24
imbrandonahh05:24
\shbecause pyqt4 is still alpha/beta and pykde4 is a long road05:24
Riddell\sh: well he could do it in qt 4 and pyqt 4, but he's have to wait for pyqt 4 to be packaged, he wouldn't have KDE integration and there would be no example code to copy05:25
imbrandon\sh, both the qt3 and qt4 libs will be in edgy, but the wm will be kde305:25
Riddell\sh: if it's still beta you're quite right, he should stick to pykde 305:25
\shRiddell: torsten is working on pyqt4 packaging afaik, but I still have to read pykde ml 05:26
imbrandonpy apps shouldent be hard to port to qt4 later anyhow since theres a qt3 compatibility widgets05:26
Riddellfreeflying-g4: ping05:26
Riddellfreeflying-g4: "who's responsible for the www.ubuntu.org.cn site? there's a broken link there pointing to shipit"05:26
\shimbrandon: the problem is not the python app, the problem is the pyqt4 lib ;)05:27
imbrandontrue ;)05:27
_SimeIIRC, PyQt4 doesn't have the compat stuff.05:27
imbrandonouch05:27
_Simewell, Qt4 has a C++ tool for converting qt3 code to qt4 code+compat widgets.05:28
_Simepython doesn't have that.05:28
_Simethe Qt3 compat widgets have different names.05:28
imbrandon\sh, so whats the diff between pyuic ( what i use right now with qt3 designer files ) and pykde ?05:28
imbrandon_Sime, yea i knew there was diff names just knew they was also there05:29
Riddellimbrandon: kdepyuic works with KDE widgets05:29
imbrandonlike qttest is qt3test etc05:29
\shimbrandon: pyuic just imports import qt; and kdepyuic is added import kdecore to the resulting python files generated from the .ui files05:29
\shoh wow05:29
_Simeimbrandon: I think it also does the i18n() in a KDE way and not in a Qt way (with tr() )05:29
\shlet me rephrase05:29
\shimbrandon: pyuic imports qt, and kdepyuic is adding kdecore and kdeui (i think) to the generated python code05:30
imbrandon_Sime,  ahh05:30
\sh_Sime: that you can change with pyuic05:30
\sh-tr func        Use func() rather than QApplication.translate() for i18n05:31
yuriyRiddell: I started: wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEGuidanceWineSpec05:31
imbrandon\sh, ahh ok , i see now, was just wondering as i'm just now learning py/qt stuff ( i've been stuck in mono c# for ages )05:31
Riddellyuriy: rocking!05:31
_Sime\sh: I believe you. :)05:31
\sh_Sime: but I don't believe me sometimes ;)05:32
imbrandonand mono gui apps are hard to make kdeish as the kde bindings are young and mostly windows.forms uses gtk# or wine05:32
imbrandonso onto py/qt it was for me ;)05:33
\shimbrandon: i thought qt# was abandoned05:33
imbrandon\sh, yea abandond in a young state05:33
imbrandonie not useable05:33
_Simethe .net + Qt/KDE bindings have been getting a little bit of attention lately.05:33
_Simebut it is far from stable05:33
imbrandonwhich realy sucks for guys like me that use kde totaly and use c# 05:34
_SimeI don't know if Richard is going to spend more time on it for KDE4.05:34
imbrandoni either have to learn something else for my gui apps like py or use gtk ;)05:34
\shimbrandon: then don't use c# ;)05:34
=== _Sime would like to try Boo with KDE/Qt.
imbrandonhehe i've been using c# for quite a few years \sh old habbits are hard to break ;)05:35
imbrandonbut yea , thats why mainly i've been learning pyqt05:35
_Simecool05:35
imbrandonand i guess pykde would be a better choice ;)05:35
Riddellyuriy: what revision control are you using and where is it available?05:36
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\shimbrandon: the same phrase I used when some guys wanted to force me to switch to python...I said "No, I've been using perl for more then 9 years now, and I don't change my language to python"05:36
imbrandonheheh ;)05:37
\shwell, I'm using both now ;)05:37
imbrandonwell i never pay'ed python much attn till now becosue scripting ( like for my websites ) has always been php so no need for me to leanr it till now05:37
imbrandonyea looks like i'll be a php/python/c# guy ;)05:38
imbrandoninstead of php/c# ;)05:38
imbrandonbtw the php gtk rocks but again phpqt sucks ;)05:38
imbrandonheheh seems like a catch 22 most times05:38
\shplease remind me: If I will ever write a UI app in php with whatever toolkit, please shoot me on sight05:39
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\shwell, remind me first, then shoot me 05:39
imbrandon\sh, hahaha i've had to a few times, makes a GREAT rad tool for windows/linux cross dev , then later to be converted when time permits05:39
imbrandonphp impot the glade files and be done, works on windows/linux with no code changes etc etc , but thats a diff story altogather ;)05:40
yuriyRiddell: KDE SVN, but I haven't made any commits yet05:40
imbrandonand i'm sure the same can be said for python, but as i said i already knew php at the time so there was no need05:41
imbrandon\sh, no pykde package, it it called something else ?05:43
\shimbrandon: python2.4-kde305:43
imbrandonk05:43
imbrandonheh was gonna try it out ;)05:43
\shimbrandon: better to install python-kde3 and python-kde3-dev05:44
imbrandonk yea i think i have those for pyuic but i'll make sure05:44
\shimbrandon: in python-kde3-dev there is the kdepyuic...05:44
imbrandonkk brb someone at the front door05:45
abattoirRiddell: is there any specific place where i am expected to put the code?05:52
abattoiri mean online....05:52
Riddellabattoir: any web server05:52
Riddellabattoir: have you branched colin's code?05:53
abattoirRiddell: nope just installed bzr, and d'loaded ubiquity....05:53
abattoiri'll do that now05:53
abattoirRiddell: then give me a week's time till i get myself a hosting service ;)05:53
abattoiror would that e late?05:54
abattoir*be05:54
Riddellabattoir: I can give you an account somewhere if you need it05:54
abattoirRiddell: that'd be great :) 05:54
abattoirbut forget it, if it'd be too much of a pain....05:55
abattoirneed to get a site hosted soon anyways.05:55
MidMarkguys none know in the kubuntu channel -> is it possible to activate surround in amarok? I've tried variuos surround40 ecc. but no sound from rear speakers...05:55
Riddellabattoir: /msg05:56
abattoirRiddell: got it thanks05:56
abattoirRiddell: i'll use it temporarily till i get a domain and a host.05:57
Riddellcool05:57
Riddellyuriy: thanks05:57
MidMarkis it normal? 06:10
MidMarkJun  3 16:25:33 localhost kdm_greet[5716] : Can't open default user face06:10
MidMarkJun  3 16:25:37 localhost kdm_greet[5716] : Internal error: memory corruption detected06:10
RiddellMidMark: it's been reported before06:11
RiddellMidMark: do you have a .face-something file?06:11
Riddell.face.icon06:11
MidMarkRiddell: in home?06:11
Riddellyes06:11
MidMarknope06:12
Riddellhmm, maybe it breaks when you don't have one06:13
Riddelltry copying a random .png file there06:13
MidMarkthere where?06:14
Riddell~/.face.icon06:14
MidMarkis it a dir? I have to create it?06:14
Riddellno, a file06:15
Riddella PNG file06:15
MidMarkis it the user icon?06:16
RiddellI believe so06:17
\shRiddell: are you already reading kurts article about kubuntu and printing?06:17
Riddell\sh: yes06:17
Riddellhe seems to blame us for problems in CUPS06:17
\shRiddell: We had at the last day of linuxtag a nice chat with kurt and till06:18
\shRiddell: if you can manage, please invite Till to the ubuntu conf...he is working at mandriva hq in paris I think...06:19
\shRiddell: he was complaining about the cups stuff in ubuntu, too :)06:19
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\shRiddell: but the best way to solve this problem: Don't use printers, use PDF and a good document management :)06:21
Riddelltoo late to get him an official invite, but I can e-mail him and suggest he drop by06:21
Riddellthat's how I solve it :)06:21
Riddellwell, I have a printer from the nice MEPIS people, it works well06:21
crimsuna lot of people seem aggravated by that issue, but afaik it was a Debian decision to go that route; *buntu simply integrated it06:22
\shRiddell: yeah, just a mail to say: "Hey come over here" ;)06:22
Riddellcrimsun: which route?06:22
crimsunRiddell: the management frontend06:22
crimsun(are we referring to the same cups/kubuntu rant?)06:23
\shcrimsun: yes06:23
Riddellcrimsun: Ubuntu/Kubuntu is the first distro to use CUPS 1.2, Debian hasn't changed yet06:24
\shcrimsun: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2064 and http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/207206:24
crimsunah, I haven't read 207206:24
\shcrimsun: it's "printing and kubuntu live cd"06:24
crimsunyeah, just finished reading it06:26
RiddellI like zander's comment at the bottom :)06:29
imbrandonhehe yea , i just finished reading it and zanders comment was the best thing about the whole page06:30
tomaRiddell: well, if you are the first that is great, but at least be responsive to bug reports and fix them quickly.06:31
crimsunwell, let's not put too much pressure on Riddell. Or if we do, we have to send lots of ponies.06:32
Riddelltoma: pitti be packaging CUPS 1.2.1 soon06:32
=== \sh can't test printing...I thrown away my last printer 4 years ago
\shI threw away06:33
tomacrimsun: no, i'm not ranting, i need a solution, thats all.06:33
imbrandon\sh, i have a printer ( hp psc 500 ) but i seem to never have the problems described there or other places, guess i'm just lucky06:34
tomaRiddell: the packages at http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/cups don't fix anything for me, but i think 1.2.1 will solve some other problems.06:35
\shtoma: that's ivoks cups...not pittis06:35
tomaright06:35
\shthe right way would be: 1. pitti and Till are working together on cups stuff ;) and 2. don't use printers at all ;) 06:37
pygi\sh: first one is better :P06:37
toma\sh: well, 2 is needed to print invoices, so I stay alive.06:37
\shtoma: no...I need just a pdf for an invoice and gpg06:38
toma\sh: lucky you06:38
\shtoma: the printing is done via windows from those people paying my bill ;)06:39
jpatrickRiddell: it lives...06:40
Riddelljpatrick: ooh?06:40
jpatrickkde-icons-oxygen06:40
Riddelljpatrick: slap it on revu06:41
jpatrickI think I should really remove the .svn dirs06:41
jpatrickcos the .deb's full of them06:42
apacheloggerjpatrick: absolutely06:42
\shjpatrick: svn export instead of svn checkout?06:42
Riddellfind . -name .svn | xargs rm -rf06:42
\shor use riddels approach ;)06:42
MidMarkguys printing is impossible, I have added a printer and then it is disappeared06:43
toma*sigh*06:43
MidMarknope sorry it is present but only for amminstrator? I have to add it via non admin?06:43
jpatrickthat in debian/rules?06:43
=== nixternal prints w/o issue
\shMidMark: the printer? how comes? aliens? scotty beamed the printer to the enterprise? ;)06:44
Riddelljpatrick: before making the .orig06:44
MidMarkit's a canon pixma ip4200 usb06:44
imbrandon\sh, hehe not funny my printserver is named enterprise ;) ( eg all my computers are named after federation starships ;P )06:44
imbrandonMidMark, #kubuntu would be a better place for support questions06:45
apacheloggerRiddell: will there be a package of kopete 0.12?06:45
Riddellapachelogger: has it been released?06:46
imbrandonRiddell, yes06:46
apacheloggeryup06:46
apacheloggerat least akregator told me ;-)06:46
\shs/kopete/psi/ much better ;)06:46
\shand no icq or msn 06:46
imbrandonkmess ;)06:46
Riddellhmm, I don't konw what the best w;ay to package kopete is, if it should be a separate source package or a big patch to kdenetwork06:46
\shRiddell: backport patches to kdenetwork?06:47
apacheloggerwell, seperate package would lead to the question how to versionize06:47
Riddellapachelogger: so would big patch to kdenetwork06:48
apacheloggeryeah06:48
Riddellusing patches to package separate branches seems ugly06:48
\shRiddell: then we need to provide new releases to akregator, too06:48
RiddellI'm minded to just have a separate source, I don't /think/ that should cause any problems06:49
Riddellhave they had a separate release too?06:49
\shRiddell: they had, and afaik they have 06:49
imbrandonwhy dosent kopete split its self from kdenetwork ?06:49
\shkopete is just a hell of an app06:49
\shimbrandon: it was separate before, then included into kdenetwork06:49
RiddellNot here they havn't http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=1562106:50
Riddellimbrandon: KDE is frozen just now06:50
\shRiddell: then they changed their behaviour06:50
apacheloggerhttp://akregator.pwsp.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=2606:50
crimsunpersonally I would split off kopete and rebuild kdenetwork06:50
=== imbrandon agrees with crimsun
Riddellkopete would need to be versioned 4:3.5.3-kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu106:51
Riddelllovely06:51
Riddellapachelogger: "October 2005" that's old06:51
apacheloggerso no realease06:51
apacheloggerblog also doesn't say anything about new release06:51
\shor don't build the kopete source in kdenetwork and attach kopetes new sources to kdenetwork source somehow..repackage it completly06:52
apachelogger\sh: maybe you're talking about the new feature in 3.5.3?06:52
jpatrick\sh: aka big patch06:52
\shapachelogger: no when akregator was included in kdenetwork/kdepim it released sometimes bugfixes06:52
\shapachelogger: separate from kde release06:52
apacheloggerhm06:52
\shapachelogger: just like kopete...06:52
apacheloggerkopete's configure possabilities are just a shame06:53
\shand to be honest, kopete is the worst app (next to gaim) for a kde/gnome release06:53
\shthe plugins are most likely to fail one or two weeks after release, when aol changes their protocol again06:54
\shand then, they release a single kopete version which is not in the kde release tree06:54
=== apachelogger wonders
crimsunRiddell: if you're going to split out kopete's source package, why not just bump the epoch and start with 5:0.12.0-0ubuntu1? Is there any real tie to maintain compatibility?06:55
RiddellKDE already has one of the highest epochs in use 06:55
\shIf I remeber right, the last time, for breezy, there was the same situation, breezy released, kde released as well, and icq changed their protocol, and kopete was crashing06:55
RiddellI expect kopete to release as part of KDE again in the future06:55
apacheloggerRiddell: I think jingle support should be possible for kopete - at least Tm_T told me that it compiles without problems with dapper libortp06:55
Riddellanyone know how tm_t versioned his packages?06:56
apacheloggerhm, there is a beta1 package06:57
\shRiddell: why not a separate kopete package with -0kubuntu1 ?06:57
apachelogger Version: 5:0.12-beta1-debug-106:57
\shRiddell: for the next release we can conflict/replaces kdenetwork with kopete-0.12-0kubuntu1 ;)06:57
Riddellthere's nothing to conflict, the binary package will always be kopete06:58
\shit's won't even go into the official ubuntu repositories06:58
\shRiddell: not if we change it to "kopete_hell" ;)06:58
apacheloggerlol06:59
\shor just forget about kopete06:59
\shedgy is just 4 months away06:59
apacheloggerwell06:59
apacheloggerfar too much used application06:59
jpatrickapachelogger: dude, how many amaroK's do you have running?07:00
apacheloggerhuh?07:00
apacheloggerjpatrick: why?07:00
\shapachelogger: sad enough, we should castrate kopete to use jabber plugin only07:00
apacheloggeroohhh07:00
apacheloggerjpatrick: nice bug ;-)07:01
jpatrickapachelogger: ;)07:01
apachelogger\sh: oh yeah07:01
crimsun\sh: oh I can imagine yet more angry dot posts about that one...07:01
apacheloggerthat's why I hate the configure options07:01
apacheloggerI don't use msn, icq, aim, icq or anything else - just jabber07:01
\shcrimsun: printing or kopete? ;)07:01
apacheloggerso why the hell do I have to do 45min compile just to get my jabber client up to date?07:01
crimsun\sh: castrating kopete :)07:02
\shcrimsun: honestly, we want to provide opensource to the world, so why should we deliver an app which is using non open sourced protocols?07:02
\shcrimsun: but for this I can live with the rants...07:02
\shcrimsun: the tricky part is to provide a jabber server which runs the transports and give the user the possibility to use those transports07:03
\shto not forget their icq buddies07:03
pygi\sh: we had this discussion already...it's is not somewhat l07:05
pygiclear for admin to run a server with transports enabled07:05
\shpygi: check jabber.org server, they don't have transports enabled, but other servers have, so jabber.org users are using public jabber icq transports e.g. on other servers (like mine)07:06
pygiyes, indeed07:06
\shso problem solved, no more point releases to update for kopete, everybody happy. ;)07:07
pygihehe ;)07:07
pygiIf only transports would work perfectly ;)07:07
\shpygi: they don't have to: gmail jabber user invites msn user to gmail07:08
pygiah :)07:08
jpatrickok kde-icons-oxygen on revu07:08
pygijpatrick, nice ;)07:08
\shmsn user is clicking on the invitation link, google has a new customer, and they are neighbours again ;)07:09
pygiyes, yes, joy ;)07:09
Riddelljpatrick: did you get the pbuilder compile time down?07:09
jpatrickRiddell: no07:09
jpatrickapachelogger's thing didn't work07:10
jpatrickoh wait07:10
jpatricksomeone needs to update pbuilder on revu07:11
jpatrickcrimsun: ^07:11
crimsunjpatrick: not an admin, ping siretart/ajmitch/sistpoty07:12
jpatrickoh ok07:12
\shi think we need to update revu to dapper ;)07:13
\shshermann@tiber:~$ w07:14
\sh 13:09:35 up 175 days, 20:16,  7 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.22, 0.3807:14
\shjpatrick: oxygene package will be arch indep?07:17
jpatrick\sh: yeah I forgot that07:17
apachelogger\sh: -e ;-)07:17
\shjpatrick: I'm just asking, because I want it to compile on my amd64 and install it on my laptop ;)07:18
\shapachelogger: oxygn?07:18
\sh;)07:18
apacheloggeroxygen07:18
apachelogger:P07:18
\shjpatrick: so archtictecture must be all, not any, right?07:19
jpatrick\sh: fix uploaded07:20
apacheloggeroh07:20
apachelogger18:46:22 (108.49 KB/s) - kubuntu-6.06-dvd-i386.iso saved [3657142272/3657142272] 07:20
apachelogger:D07:20
\shwe need a nice app for svgs..inkscape are too many gtk deps07:22
apacheloggersplit inkscape07:22
apacheloggerlibrary and frontends07:23
crimsunmultibuild hell!07:23
apachelogger;-)07:23
\shremove inkscape introduce: kink-scape07:23
apacheloggerone could also find 30 devs for karbon1307:23
\shor we need something like "Knome" a KDE gnome emulator...07:24
apacheloggerhm07:24
apacheloggerisn't portland aiming to make such a thingy unneeded?07:25
\shapachelogger: when? after oregon is released?07:26
apacheloggerprobably ;-)07:26
=== apachelogger actually thinks portland is unneeded :P
apacheloggereveryone to use KDE07:27
apacheloggerhttp://www.linux-discount.de/merchandising/index_html/merchandising/novellfanartikel07:27
apacheloggerwtf!!!!!!07:27
apacheloggerRiddell: how's the Kubuntu merchandise machine running?07:27
\shkwwii: wow...great icons, but if the panel is in tiny mode, as I have it on this little piece of 12" laptop display, the crystal icons are better07:30
pygiyou could always go. assemble devs, and make QT port of Inkscape07:31
Riddellapachelogger: it's not07:31
apachelogger:S07:31
cmvoRiddell: Is the kubuntu mug available somewhere?07:31
Riddellkubuntu.de07:31
apacheloggerwe need to get that stuff running - merchandise is always a good point of promotion07:32
jpatrickok revu deb's work07:32
\shcmvo: http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=24107:32
\shcmvo: it's amus shop07:32
cmvoRiddell, \sh: Ah, thanks. Just what the doctor ordered :-)07:33
\shapachelogger: speak with amu07:33
apacheloggeraye aye07:33
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goldenearTonio_: ping07:42
jpatrickTonio_: ping07:47
goldenearjpatrick: Tonio_ seems to be busy :(08:01
jpatrickgoldenear: yep08:01
\shRiddell: I'll subscribe to the kubuntu teams again08:03
\shRiddell: argl..I can't subscribe, I'm deactivated08:04
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\shkwwii: answered your question via mail :) 10:11
kwwiicool :-)10:18
kwwiiI could reall get to like using excrytped mail10:18
kwwiierm, spelling10:18
\shkwwii: we can share pr0n now ;)10:18
kwwiilol10:19
kwwiimy friend at novell just got fired for that10:19
\shkwwii: that's why i don't have my gpg keys installed on my company notebook ;)10:19
\shI need to fix gpg to use gpg cryptosmartcards10:20
\shso i can carry around a pcmcia or usb device with a nice smartcard where my gpg is sleeping in piece ;)10:20
kwwiibetween having pr0n on your harddrive and not giving up the key to you encrypted partition, you loose your job at suse these days10:21
kwwiiyeah, having a usbstick with it would be nice10:21
\shkwwii: btw..you got my message about oxygen icons and a tiny panel size?10:22
jpatrickI just packaged Oxygen10:23
kwwiijpatrick: where do you intend to put that?10:25
kwwiijpatrick: would you be unhappy if I asked you to wait to put it anywhere important?10:26
jpatrickNo10:26
kwwiiit is still kinda early10:26
jpatrickI was told to work on a package10:26
kwwiiwe are working like crazy on it, so it'll be done enough to really test in a few weeks10:26
kwwiihehe, cool10:26
kwwiiI mean, I am happy that you did it10:26
kwwiibut I would hate to start getting 100 emails telling me what is still bad about it when we are not even ready to announce a first release10:27
jpatrickIt's quite cool10:27
kwwiithanks :-)10:27
kwwiiwe will probably change the color of the default folder icon10:28
kwwiito brown I guess10:28
kwwiior perhaps a lighter version of brown10:28
jpatrick<pro-kde>I like the blue</pro-kde>10:29
\shkwwii: but the new konqui icon is fantastic10:30
kwwiibut it looks horrible at small sizes, we have to fix that10:30
kwwiiI always use a small panel10:31
kwwiiand I just fixed the system icon for the panel as well :-)10:31
kwwiijpatrick: you should be sure to check the script in my (Ken) dir to know how the rendering is being done10:32
\shoh i'm so sad, that I suck in arts, really10:32
jpatrickkwwii: I did have an awful error10:33
jpatrickkwwii: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/75557110:33
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kwwiijpatrick: well the small sizes will look half so nasty as normal without the imagemagick options10:33
jpatrickkwwii: it slowed build time from 2 minutes to an hour10:34
kwwiiyeah, I know, but that is life10:34
kwwiiit is really cup intensive10:34
kwwiicpu10:34
jpatrickyeah10:34
jpatrickMaybe I shouldn't have had amaroK running at the time...10:35
\shI wonder how long it takes on 2 dual core 2.2GHz Opterons with 16gb ram10:35
kwwiiwe are using a different scaling filter and doing sharpening and contrast adjustment10:35
kwwiithe ram is unimportant10:35
\shkernel compile with make -j 4 took less then 2 minutes 10:35
kwwiithe cpus make it rock10:35
\shI'm trying to get one from the company who is producing our servers...10:36
kwwiiwhen I run the script on my mac I cannot open a konqi window for 20-30 seconds10:36
\shwith the same hardware actually, so 8 TB sata raid 6 comes with it ;)10:36
kwwiiluckily the file size is also unimportant :-)10:37
\shkwwii: believe me, these machines are quite cool....10:37
pygihey kwwii ;)10:37
kwwiioh, I do believe you :-)10:37
kwwiihowdy pygi10:37
=== kwwii has found like 7 RCS guis
\shkwwii: right now, 400 of these machines are build in our datacenter...at the end we should have (1. stage) 1k of those computers10:38
\shand I'm responsible for installing suse on those machines10:39
\shlife sometimes sucks10:39
kwwiihehe10:40
kwwiiI had to keep the usability lab up and running and that was too much for me10:40
\shkwwii: but the kernel was until thursday an ubuntu kernel ;)10:40
kwwiiouch10:40
\shkwwii: because sles9 kernel doesn't support areca raid controllers 10:41
\shkwwii: ubuntu does, but has problems too. now a plain vanilla 2.6.16 is doing a great job10:41
kwwiihehe10:41
kwwiicool10:41
kwwiitrust in the source, luke10:42
kwwiione of my first answers from a developer when discussing a certain unamed program was "read the source, luke"10:42
kwwiiI don't think I have hated anyone so much since10:43
\shkwwii: well, in 2.6.15 there is (as I understood it, from the manufacture kernel guy) a glitch in the scsi driver, and combined with the areca patch it makes "peng"10:43
\sh2.6.16 fixes this and areaca is running like a charm...on of the first 16 channel raid 6 sata controller these days10:44
\shs/on/one/10:44
kwwiilucky you10:44
kwwiisaves a lot of sweat10:45
\shoh no...it costs me 4 days10:45
\shof limited time...next week we want to deploy 200 servers...just boot the machines and install...200 hundred of them, let's what is burning first, ubuntu server or our network10:46
\shlet's see even10:46
kwwiihehe10:48
\shok enough from work...10:49
imbrandon_\sh: what are you doing with so many servers ? cluster ? hosting ?10:51
\shimbrandon_: that's a secret...I signed an NDA to not tell anybody what we are doing...but we could do something like finding aliens for the seti project ;) actually even right now, we are the datacenter with the fastest internet connection in germany, and we are no. 1 in things like storage per squaremeter10:53
imbrandon_ahh cool, was just curious ;)10:53
imbrandon_yea seti@ would be cool on that many ;)10:54
imbrandon_heh10:54
\shimbrandon_: customer product launch is on 12th July10:54
imbrandon_nice10:54
=== imbrandon_ is happy to be incharge of 4 dual amd64 servers ;)
\shimbrandon_: well, to be honest, I'm just responsible to setup FAI, but our datacenter guys, they need to install them into the racks...and that's not a nice job...19" full length machines, 16 500GB sata hds, the machines weight is at least 10-15 KGs 10:56
\shand they won't do anything then be storage for customers...nothing else...the logic behind all this is running on hp blade centers...as well dual core opterons10:57
imbrandon_nice10:58
imbrandon_yea those 4 servers are all mysql db servers with only one of them a logic server with dual opterons and 4 x 400gb sata raid 0 drives ( 2 mysql servers live 2 as backup mirros )10:59
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imbrandon_like i said modest by most people but i'm happy with it ;)11:01
Flosofthey @ all11:01
Flosoftstill alot of people getting Kubuntu11:02
imbrandon_thats a good thing ;011:02
FlosoftI got an average of 5 new people clicking download a minute11:02
\shFlosoft: do you have mrtg stats or rrd graphics for the mirror? 11:02
Flosoftyes11:02
Flosoftnot public ones but yes11:02
Flosoftthe last 48hours: 20 Terra Byte of Kubuntu Downloads ;)11:03
Flosoftwhich is aloooot!11:03
imbrandon_Flosoft: which mirror ( sorry if i sounds ignorant still new to kubuntu-devel by a few months )11:03
FlosoftFlosoft Mirror Network ;)11:03
FlosoftI had 911:03
imbrandon_heheh ;)11:03
imbrandon_nice11:03
Flosoftnow only 3 are still up11:03
\shFlosoft: bandwidth? (the traffic itself is nothing to worry about) 11:03
Flosoftmy main ones11:03
Flosoftwell the 3 primary ones that I run have Dual 20Gbit/s Fibre Optic11:04
Flosoftand they had 20TB Traffic11:04
imbrandon_Flosoft: and thats just kubuntu or *buntu ?11:04
Flosoftonly Kubuntu11:04
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imbrandon_NICE11:04
FlosoftI don't like ubuntu ;)11:04
\shFlosoft: to the internet? (20Gbit/s)?11:04
Flosoftyes11:04
Flosoftmy 3 main mirrors11:05
=== imbrandon_ is with you on that one , i dont like gnome much but to each their own ;)
Flosoftthe other ones are from companies or private people with between 10 and 100 Mbp/s11:05
\shFlosoft: that means, you occupied 20Gbit/s the last 48hours continously?11:05
Flosoftyes11:05
Flosoft3 Mirrors with 20Gbit/s11:05
Flosoftin total 20 TerraBytes Traffic11:05
Flosofta bit more now11:06
Flosoftand still heavy downloading going on now11:06
\shFlosoft: how do you get more then 2gb/s to the servers?11:06
imbrandon_you should let Riddell have a copy of those mrtg graphs for kubuntu.org or the kubuntu news letter to show off ;)11:06
\shFlosoft: you don't do bonding, do you?11:06
Flosoftthey're in a German DataCenter11:06
Flosoftbonding?11:06
FlosoftI am doing hosting ;)11:07
imbrandon_heh maybe \sh 's datacenter ;)11:07
\shthat can't be, no one else has 20gbit/s 11:07
\shwe are the only one, that's why i'm shocked :)11:07
jpatrickyou got competetion11:07
FlosoftEurope?11:07
\shFlosoft: germany11:07
Flosofthehe11:07
Flosoftexactly11:07
\shFlosoft: level3 connection in ffm...11:07
FlosoftI don't know too much bout the specs11:08
FlosoftWe are in Berlin11:08
imbrandon_Flosoft: you should let Riddell have a copy of those mrtg graphs for kubuntu.org or the kubuntu news letter to show off ;)11:08
\shFlosoft: karlsruhe...you know web.de or formlery web.de?11:08
\shformerly ;)11:08
Flosoftyes11:08
Flosoftweb.de ... what is it now?11:08
\shFlosoft: 1&1 but we are not 1&1 :) we are combots :)11:09
Flosoftah .. 1&1 is nice ,)11:09
Flosoft;)11:09
Flosoftbut I am with the biggest Competition of 1&1 in germany ;)11:09
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\shFlosoft: as I said, we are not 1&1 :) we sold web.de to 1&1 :)11:09
\shimbrandon_: we don't do business11:09
\shhosting business11:10
Flosoftwell ok ;)11:10
FlosoftI'll upload an image of the Graphs11:10
Flosoftlast 6 hours11:10
Flosoftof one of the mirrors11:10
\shFlosoft: what's the biggest competior of 1&1? schlund?11:10
\sh(teles)11:10
FlosoftStrato AG?11:10
Flosoftyes11:11
FlosoftTeles11:11
Flosoftwell Strato = Teles = Freenet = ....11:11
Flosoft:p11:11
\shah then ok :)11:11
imbrandon_ahh my two domains are hosted at diffrent data centers , i need to get them both on one server though, still trying to find the best one for my money .... imbrandon.com is with one and one but i dont like them much, and buntudot.org is with dreamhost.com ;) will probbly move both to dreamhost unless i find something better11:11
\shbut you are not alone on your line ;)11:11
Flosoftafaik they have the fastest DataCentre in EU no?11:11
\shFlosoft: no.11:11
\shFlosoft: combots has :)11:11
\shFlosoft: as a single, not sharing any bandwidth with others, datacenter11:12
Flosoftah ok11:12
Flosoftwell yes, we share the bandwidth11:12
Flosoftbut we get a high speed ;)11:12
\shFlosoft: but my question was: how do you get 20Gbit/s to the servers? you can do 2gbit/s with 2 fibre lines, or bonding (2 fibre lines, one for incoming traffic, one for outgoing traffic)11:13
Flosoftdon't ask me ... I just check my server in the rack ;) via Serial Console ... it gives me these limits11:14
Flosoftand I had transfer rates as fast as these11:15
\shimbrandon_: what is good for the money? what do you need?11:15
\shoh wow...I just see, that my root server upstream lost his connection to decis11:19
\shoh wow...I just see, that my root server upstream lost his connection to decix11:19
imbrandon_one sec phone thene 'll tell ya11:20
Flosoft\sh: that is bad ;)11:23
\shFlosoft: well, as I can see in the ticket history, they are working on fixing this...11:24
\shFlosoft: doesn't matter...netcologne has a direct connection to hosteurope :011:24
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Flosofthttp://www.flosoft.biz/tmp/mrtg1.jpg11:33
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imbrandon_\sh: sorry, had a phone call, but basicly all i need is ssh access , php5, mysql , and tons of storage ( 40+ gig )11:35
imbrandon_i get all that with dreamhost right now for about 200$ usd a year11:36
\shimbrandon_: that's cheap11:36
imbrandon_yea it is but i have no idea what connection i'm on IE speed11:37
imbrandon_;)11:37
\shimbrandon_: vserver or real root server?11:37
imbrandon_vserver11:37
Flosoft\sh: Here you have your MRTG Graph: http://www.flosoft.biz/tmp/mrtg1.jpg11:37
imbrandon_\sh: would be nice to have a real root server then i could run all my neat apt-mirror stuff easier and such ;)11:38
\shthat mbits, not gbits :)11:38
imbrandon_but real vs virtual is usaly more $$11:38
\shimbrandon_: sometimes yes :)11:41
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