[12:07] hrm.. I have a work social in an hour, I should co-opt into a Dapper release party [12:07] there is nothign near me, sigh [12:08] dickhall_: at activestate? [12:11] Riddell: technically, no. My company (Sophos) recently sold activestate and they moved into a different building [12:11] but our networks are still linked, so that's what my host shows up as [12:11] and I can still receive activestate mail and such === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dickhall_ is going to miss his 1337 @activestate.com email [12:14] I think I liked it more than my @ea.com email, though at EA it was cool to have Wil Wright show up as a potential autocomplete when I typed 'W' in outlook === DShepherd [n=dwight@port0246-afm-adsl.cwjamaica.com] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === poningru [n=poningru@ip24-250-225-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] apachelogger: ping? [12:30] kwwii_inkscape: pong [12:30] i would like to know if avahi can set my /etc/fstab if a new folder is share with nfs on the network ? or it can only announce that there is a new share folder ? [12:31] apachelogger: we had to change parts of the sript back because we are scaling the smaller sizes with different options than the big ones [12:31] oh [12:32] but your changes make it look much nicer than mine :-) [12:32] gonna look into it :) [12:32] 32 and down are scaled with a sharpen filter [12:32] oh, and we changed the filter for scaling on all of them to Sinc [12:34] although I think we will use the Lanczos filter for the bigger ones and the Sinc for the smaller ones in the end [12:35] in addition we might need to add a way to render the really small ones from different svgs :-( === neoncode [n=neoncode@unaffiliated/neoncode] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pascalFR [n=pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] nite @ all === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.186.227.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === halcyonCorsair [n=Lord-Pho@203-97-213-216.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:53] hi, i was wondering if someone could help me build knetworkmanager on amd53 [12:53] err, amd64 [12:54] where did svn go? [12:54] why can't I install svn anymore? ie no package called svn? [12:56] kwwii_inkscape: was never called svn I think [12:56] apt-get install subversion [12:56] aha. [12:56] kdesvn works, but there is no "svn [12:56] " command [12:57] apachelogger, yup, it was never called svn === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:58] hehe [12:58] that shows you what happens when you rely on a gui to install packages [12:58] kwwii_inkscape, hehe :) [12:58] hm [12:58] I think adept shows up subversion when searching for svn :P [12:58] so how in the hell did kdesvn do it without installing subversion? [12:59] kwwii_inkscape: probably only needs the library [12:59] in earlier versions kdesvn was just a gui wrapper for svn - but now it's a full featured gui client for libsvn I think [12:59] ahaa [12:59] i c [01:00] that explains why it worked now and before it always crashed on me === imbrandon [n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === halcyonCorsair [n=Lord-Pho@203-97-213-216.cable.telstraclear.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:12] ok, going to sleep [01:12] night all === kwwii_inkscape [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:28] Hello === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@209-6-87-175.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@8.Red-80-33-64.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=marseill@AMarseille-256-1-43-79.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seaLne [n=seaLne@obelisk.wasters.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.50.244] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-219-193.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A62B51.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kameron [n=kameron@S0106000129f5b884.cc.shawcable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:18] http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/compiz/kde/window-decorator/ [10:18] sounds like we'll not get compiz running on kde before kde4.... === andre^off [i=bnc@62.75.169.150] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall wibbles === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-243-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:59] Tonio_: who needs compiz - I would much rather get some X polish than XGl and similar... [11:01] Lure: compiz can work with aiglx or anything [11:01] no need of xgl for this [11:01] xgl only provides opengl support [11:01] what to use with it ? compiz ;) [11:01] Tonio_: what I am saying is we need more improvements in X in direction of config/autodetect/multihead support [11:02] then fancy 3d/comiz stuff ;-) [11:02] Lure: don't forget gnome supports it, vista will be d3d based, osx supports opengl.... [11:02] only kde doesn't at the moment give the possibility of 3D effects on the desktop [11:03] Tonio_: I agree, but until my notebook will boot with blank screen it does not help me... :-( [11:03] I know [11:03] ;) === pascalFR [n=pascal@cha92-7-82-230-174-61.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.48.111] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:42] hi room [11:42] hi people in the room [11:45] eh oh === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-205.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:52] oh hi Riddell! === Hobbsee misread that, and thought she said "hi room in the people" === Quintok [n=quintok@59.167.35.37] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:55] Riddell: hey !! did you see the opendocument foundation announcement ? [11:55] nope [11:55] Riddell: they will soon release an msoffice plugin to fully support opendocument in it ;) [11:56] it is currently tested in the massachussets [11:56] Riddell: that could help for a koffice integration in kubuntu ! [11:58] how? [11:59] Riddell: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060504015438308 [11:59] Riddell: since it would be easy to explain to an ms office user how to convert to od format without installing a new office suite.... [12:00] as long as there is an easy way to help people to use a standard, there will be less issues in implementing koffice don't you think ? [12:00] if you talk about native support in kubuntu, don't forget that we don't support wmv, wma, mp3 etc... [12:00] so the user that want doc support could install OOo the same way he instals libxine-extracodecs for example... [12:01] btw this is my opinion [12:01] Riddell: what do you think about this ? [12:03] the lack of mp3 and wmv is because we can't ship support, not because we happen to think one solution is technically better [12:03] indeed [12:06] Riddell: so if I understand correctly, we will not see koffice in kubuntu soon... :( [12:09] Riddell: isn't it possible to propose during installation to enable multiverse/restricted then if user say yes then propose to install libxine and restricted-formats ? [12:09] Tonio_: how do you get @ubuntu.com mail account as member? [12:10] marseillai_: I think the problem is that you would need to pus some nasty legal disclaimers there... [12:11] Tonio_: it has less features and less stability than openoffice [12:12] marseillai_: restricted is in there [12:12] you could question why libxine-extracodecs isn't in restricted, but that's up to Mark [12:12] Riddell: I would agree - I use both interchangabily and they both have they +/- [12:12] s/they/their/ [12:12] Lure: it seems to get automatically set up, and points to your default mail in launchpad [12:13] it is probably more more safe choise to stay with OOo [12:13] Hobbsee: really? so it is just mail forwarder? will try it... [12:13] Lure: you can send from it === Hobbsee doesnt, though === Hobbsee thinks of what she actually uses that account for [12:14] come to think of it, i probably could. [12:17] Hobbsee: yes, it works... [12:17] thanks [12:17] Lure: yay :) === freeflying|away try building kde4 on osx === kmon [n=javier@217.Red-80-25-51.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] Riddell: I must say I don't agree concerning stability.... OOo has always crashed quite often here (and more than koffice concerning my experience) [12:28] Riddell: concerning functionnalities.... I agree, but at least koffice integrates correctly with kde ;) === hunger would favour a move to koffice. [12:31] I already have complaints from Mark and others that we don't ship with firefox [12:31] I was wondering why OOo got so "strange" after a upgrade, only to discover 3 days later that I had been using kword all the time;-) === hunger mumbles that kubuntu is about kde not kde-and-some-strange-gtk-apps:-) === Hobbsee mumbles about how firefox is a better internet browser than konqueror :P === jpatrick [n=patrick@ubuntu/member/jpatrick] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] yo jpatrick [12:33] Hobbsee: You are free to install it:-) [12:34] :P oh i do [12:34] hey jpatrick [12:34] hi Riddell, Hobbsee === Hobbsee contemplates the wednesday morning meeting. [12:34] Hobbsee: And it is not. You must be a deluded gtk-junkie;-) [12:34] hunger: hehe [12:35] Hobbsee: I admit that I have FF installed, too... but then I have ubuntu-desktop installed on kubuntu to be able to crosscheck what the gnome crowd is doing. [12:35] when can we start packaging again? [12:36] hehe....sure sure.. [12:36] jpatrick: now! make us a package of oxygen icons [12:36] hehe [12:37] The kubuntu part of dapper is really cool by the way. Great work! Thanks Riddell and thanks to all the other devs here. [12:37] if I could get them somewher [12:37] jpatrick: kde svn trunk/playground/artwork [12:38] Are those done yet? [12:38] build script is in Ken directory [12:38] build-dep on inkscape [12:40] How about adding some more bonjour configs for the next version? (like fish and sftp) [12:40] hunger: we need an option to have zeroconf easy to turn on [12:41] Riddell: It is turned on, it is just missing the necessary config files for that to work:-( [12:41] we don't have avahi-daemon on the CD [12:41] hunger: add this to KubuntuFutureIdeas [12:42] we'll be needing an avahi spec [12:42] Riddell: Yes, the daemon is missing, but the "clientside" is there, working and emensly usefull. [12:43] well it's only useful if the other machines on the network have avahi turned on :) [12:43] Riddell: Please consider adding the config files of lp #33034. [12:44] Riddell: There are, at least on those networks I hang out frequently. The upside of working with mac junkies:-) [12:44] .. avahi doesnt work evenin client without the daemon [12:45] Riddell: complains we don't use firefox ?? ! [12:45] Riddell: that's a chance ;) [12:45] Riddell: I did "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/" I don't have a Ken dir tho... === Tonio_ compains that kubuntu doesn't use gnome ! that's a shame.... [12:45] Lathiat: avahi advertizes services. The client(s) work with those advertisements. Without avahi you can not publish your own stuff, but you can very well use those provided by others. [12:46] hunger: no, you can't === Hobbsee defenestrates Tonio_ for suggesting that. [12:46] without the daemon neither browsing nor publishing operates [12:46] jpatrick: it's there...might be in the parent directory...search a bit :P [12:46] not with avahi (it may well use some other library, e.g. howl) [12:46] I did === Hobbsee found it a while ago [12:46] mmm okay [12:46] Hobbsee: that was irony of course ;) kubuntu shiped with firefox would go against the kubuntu purpose.... [12:47] but it's there, but not here [12:47] Tonio_: hehe true [12:47] but I wouldn't see any problem using gecko in konqueror it the port had been finished... [12:47] jpatrick: it's there http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/ [12:47] but nobody finished it [12:47] oh I do have it... [12:48] hunger: Lathiat does know his stuff with avahi :) === Lathiat points at http://www.avahi.org/wiki/AvahiCommunity#People [12:48] i think the no port policy shouldnt apply to avahi, because dns resolvers open a dns port too.. :) [12:48] Riddell: would be nice to have a systemsettings module to control avahi ;) [12:48] Lathiat: Well, then I had some misunderstandings on how that stuff works. [12:49] nps :) === Tonio_ really needs to learn python this year.... [12:49] Tonio_: the trouble is it would be all of one tickbox [12:49] Tonio_: ah, the perfect learning opportunity :) [12:49] Riddell: tickbox ? [12:49] "checkbox" [12:49] perhaps you could put avahi in the nexisting network stuff [12:49] Riddell: yes ;) I already bought a book, but I have to start.... [12:49] Ahhhh... kde 3.5.3 stops kmix from popping up after each startup! [12:50] haha [12:50] Lathiat: in knetworkconf ? [12:50] Tonio_: i guess? [12:50] and my display suddenly became brighter, too. How did that happen? [12:50] (im not familiar with what part that is) [12:50] Riddell: ok, "bash generate_oxg_icons.sh" does nothing apart from output a lot of text [12:51] uh huh, any paticular text? [12:51] ls: actions/*.svg: No such file or directory [12:52] you need to run it from Oxygen/theme [12:54] Riddell: just done that and it works [12:54] jpatrick: let's work together on the package maybe ? [12:54] Tonio_: It's working [12:54] jpatrick: cool : [12:54] ;) [12:55] just need inkscape [12:55] Tonio_: when shall we work on gnash? [12:55] jpatrick: when stable version is out maybe ^^ [12:56] :) [12:56] but that's on my plans for edgy [12:56] it should be there before edgy is out [12:56] gnash has 101 gnome dependencies :( [12:56] Riddell, wth? 101? :-/ [12:57] well, almost that many [12:57] and i thought Kerry was bad [12:57] Riddell, do you need me for any development stuff for edgy except the KDE version of BZR UI? [12:59] Riddell: damn.... [12:59] pygi: whatever you want of course. a bzr UI would be cool, although I don't know what form that would take [12:59] hunger: that's probably from your session settings [01:00] Riddell, yup, bzr UI will be there and ready for edgy [01:00] what do you mean by "form"? [01:01] Riddell: can I use the script geneterated tarball for the pack? [01:01] Riddell, the reason why I am asking you is that I don't want to develop something, and then we don't need it :) [01:01] yuriy: ping [01:02] jpatrick: I'd use the script as the build for the package [01:02] pygi: what features would the bzr UI have? [01:02] pygi: and have you looked at keybuk's gnome one? [01:03] yuriy: did you write a spec? [01:03] Riddell, init, branch, add, remove, mv, ignore, diff, merge, commit, uncommit, log, check, push, pull, export, conflicts, info, mkdir, nick, revno, version, whoami [01:03] for start ... we'll have cherrypicking patches, and such things also === Flosoft [n=admin@213.219.186.227.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:03] hey [01:03] Riddell, if you mean bzrk, we'll have a new UI [01:06] Riddell, basicly this, but KDE: [01:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrUI === pygi will be back ASAP [01:08] wow .. the average of transfer rate for the last 24 hours: 89,3Mbyte/s [01:09] hi [01:10] nice [01:10] Riddell: The ooo patch didn't work [01:10] kmon: hmm, ok, thanks === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-221-70-148.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] hi to all! [01:11] I have make this new wiki page, can be interesting: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole [01:12] and as far as the conversation of ooo & firefox, I'll give my 2. The problem here is the "vision" kubuntu has. Is kubuntu a desktop operating system with kde as a base or is kubuntu the best Desktop operating system the kde world offers? [01:13] Riddell, back :) [01:13] if it is the latter, then kubuntu should keep konqui as the webbrowser & ship with koffice [01:13] Riddell: this might not work, running generate_oxy_theme.sh makes a tarball, which we'll have to unpack and cp a debian dir to during build process [01:14] kmon: in one way it doesnt matter - seeing as we have all of gnome at our disposal in the same repos too - but i see your point [01:15] jpatrick: ignore the tar? it also makes the .pngs ready for use. or you could just use the tar as the .orig [01:15] hmm no, the tar doesn't have the .svg files in it [01:15] Hobbsee: yes, it's really a social thing, since the average joe coming to kubuntu doesn't know what's kde/gnome and really just want an OS that works [01:15] Riddell: I need only an information-> the kubuntu cd contains italian language? I have only the dvd... [01:15] I'll see what I can do [01:16] MidMark: which CD? [01:16] kmon: true [01:16] Riddell: kubuntu alternate/desktop cd (dapper) [01:16] Hobbsee: but then again, that average joe will probably want flash, mp3 & other things out of the box [01:16] architecture? [01:16] MidMark: on adept's top priorities I think ability to set an http proxy would go before everything... [01:16] MidMark: kdesu kate. not sudo kate. [01:17] but that's another thing [01:17] Tonio_: ok, is there a bug for that? [01:17] Hobbsee: why? [01:17] MidMark: I already did a kde bug and told mornfall about this, but he didn't seems interested at the moment :( [01:18] Hobbsee: ok [01:18] Riddell: afaik oxygen isn't supposed to be complete is it ? [01:18] Tonio_: what a pitty :( [01:18] Tonio_: not yet, no [01:18] but some are there, and really pretty :) [01:18] Hobbsee: okay, cause I was seeing a few missing stuff testing it [01:18] Riddell: all, I want to know where ita is present or not... all type of cds [01:20] MidMark: see the seeds http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/ [01:20] ship is the alternate CD, live is the desktop CD [01:21] Riddell: I'm looking at the debian/control provided with cvs gnash repo and I don't see gnome dependancies.... except mozilla-dev maybe [01:22] that probably just to build the mozilla plugin [01:22] Tonio_: URL? [01:22] I was thinking the other day about a nice feature kubuntu in amd64 could have. If multiarch is not ready for edgy, kubuntu could provide a script/python app to install a couple of 32bit apps in a separate directory (webbrowser & media player mainly) and have easy access to flash & other things that don't work in amd64 [01:23] Riddell: export CVS_RSH="ssh" && cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gnash co gnash [01:23] Riddell: you will get a "packaging" folder containing debian [01:23] Tonio_: patches, patches... [01:24] Tonio_: proxy setup is not interesting for me since i never use it :p [01:24] mornfall: that wasn't a critisize !!!! you did so much for dapper version ! [01:24] mornfall: just plz keep that upo in the head for some day ;) [01:25] mornfall: the problem is that setting apt for prooxy usage is quite complicated [01:25] mornfall: don't min, that didn't made me go back to synaptic ;) [01:25] Tonio_: that's fine and i didn't take offence or anything :) [01:26] Tonio_: just being realistic [01:26] Tonio_: in that it's not going to happen by itself and it's very low priority for me [01:26] mornfall: sure :) [01:26] Tonio_: even if you are a nice guy and all, but i'm sooo lazy and usually loaded enough to keep me away from things like this [01:27] mornfall: the big problem for me is that I think it should be possible to set a global proxy settings for all linux environnment [01:27] but that's nor a standard in lsb.... [01:27] is that part of portland? [01:28] Riddell: don't now, but should ;) === Riddell asks [01:28] Riddell: we could eventually discuss that in paris with kde guys === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee looks around for the nasty person smashing a brick into her head [01:28] actually every application is using it's own internal process for proxy [01:29] except kde apps that sometimes use konqueror settings on that point [01:29] noone really uses http proxying because it's just too daft :p === goldenear [n=user@vol75-4-82-225-33-186.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:29] do they? [01:29] i could imagine corporations would tend to do that [01:29] mornfall: in companies, everyone uses a proxy [01:29] nat is simply incompatible with companies needs [01:29] Tonio_: really? we use NAT... [01:29] mornfall: i'm seeing trouble with the adept not opening again... [01:29] no, wait, here it is. [01:30] Lure: nat only gives a very low level of control, no caching etc.... [01:30] companies need to learn to use transparent proxying [01:30] Tonio_: true, but who needs caching this days... ;-) [01:30] mornfall: well companies don't want to since they don't want to open all network and web, and I can understand this ;) [01:30] do they want people to use emule, P2P, porn websites etc??? no ;) [01:31] Tonio_: transparent proxy can do everything a non-transparent one can [01:31] Lure: 40 000 computers companies need caching ;) [01:31] Tonio_: you just need to forward the packets the right way [01:31] Riddell: oh I see, working on it now [01:31] mornfall: are you talking about socks5 proxies ? [01:31] Tonio_: nono [01:32] Tonio_: about gateway doing smart things with packets [01:32] mornfall: exemples of what is a transparent proxy ? [01:32] like looking inside them and if they are http passing to a proxy instead of forwarding [01:32] mornfall: well, nat + advanced firewalls like chekpoint can do the job, but that's a pain to manage ;) [01:33] and uses hudge ressources to analyse tcp/ip packets...... [01:33] it's less pain to manage than going around 40k computers and setting up proxy on each ;-) [01:34] mornfall: well in a windows environnement, you don't have to go over the 40 000 computers ;) [01:34] mornfall: ever eared about what gpo are ? [01:34] and if you do managed rollout (like everyone does), you can easily set up the proxy for apt centrally [01:34] you can reconfigure all your computers in a centralized way with a very few clicks :) [01:34] your argument is MOOT [01:34] mornfall: I'm just saying that's possible ;) [01:35] no, you say that adept needs proxy setup gui to be useful inside companies [01:35] yup [01:35] and it turns out noone is using gui click-click on every computer inside a company anyway [01:35] mornfall: no, I think adept should frontend apt to set proxy in it :) [01:35] so it's for the marginal cases of people abusing company network to update their laptops [01:36] hum.... that makes sense indeed [01:36] in which case they should know what they are doing anyway :p [01:36] but concerning my usage, when I go in several companies with my laptop, it is quite a pain to set the proxy manually every morning, and remove it by night at home.... [01:36] I would like to click for this ;) [01:36] anyone: how do I unsinstall build-deps? [01:37] Tonio_: it's not *that* hard to implement :P [01:37] mornfall: yes, but I can't learn C++ to do it myself ^_^ [01:37] Tonio_: sure you can :P [01:37] if I could have done it, I would already have done it ;) [01:37] that's weak [01:38] what Hobbsee says [01:38] if it's important enough, you will do it [01:38] Hobbsee: I don't want to learn coding since I already have so much to learn on the sysadmin part.... [01:38] if it's not, it's not :-) [01:38] if it's not important enough for you to do it, it's not important enough for me to do it either :-) [01:38] now that's a good argument [01:38] Tonio_: ah okay. i thought i was the only non-coder on the kcc... [01:38] heh @ mornfall [01:39] i should use it to close annoying wishlist items [01:39] Hobbsee: well, if you want to do everything, you will do everything badly ;) [01:39] Tonio_: well...true [01:39] you could still learn being a really good sysadmin, earn loads of money and pay me to do it for you :] [01:40] mornfall: hehe, good point ;) [01:40] hehe @ mornfall [01:40] mornfall: that is even better one...;-) [01:40] Riddell: how do I unisnstall build-deps of a package? [01:41] I would like to Undo yesterday ooo try [01:41] i sort of hate planet [01:42] mornfall: why so? what's it done now? [01:42] kmon: apart from removing them one by one, manually? i dont know [01:42] where's apt log? [01:42] Hobbsee: it shows my posts twice :p [01:42] kmon: besides, why are you not building in a pbuilder, if you want to avoid a lot of dev stuff on your computer [01:42] I only see aptitude's [01:42] ohwell [01:42] mornfall: ah, great [01:43] Hobbsee: because I'm really new to all this [01:43] :) === Hobbsee didnt think kmon was new [01:43] hehe [01:43] kmon: see your private link from ubotu [01:43] thanks [01:44] and the apt log? [01:44] can't find it in /var/log [01:45] /var/log/dpg [01:45] dpkg [01:46] thanks jpatrick === kmon goes to eat === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@unaffiliated/imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950A6E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] imbrandon_: maybe you should get an ubuntu cloak [01:55] jpatrick: yes i'm just waiting on seveas or lilo to do it [01:56] imbrandon_: poke seveas to do it, when you see him around [01:56] seveas said a few weeks ago that he was going to take care of it but nothing yet, he was probbly busy with dapper release [01:56] yea i will again , was just giving him some breathing room ;) [01:56] :) [01:56] btw heya Hobbsee jpatrick === Hobbsee waves to imbrandon_ [01:57] hey === imbrandon_ kicks javascript === jpatrick loves bootlegs [02:05] heh , bootleg what ? [02:05] [[Bootleg] ] [02:05] oh [02:05] ;) === Tonio_ packages gnash to give a shot ;) [02:06] Tonio_: system services is part of kde-guidance? [02:06] yea i threw apt-mirror up on REVU yesterday if anyone wants to give it a look ;) * not like theres not plenty of time for edgy hehe * [02:07] MidMark: yup, developped by _Sime [02:11] Riddell: looks like you're right.... libgtk2.0-dev is now required as a build dep... [02:11] Riddell: debian folder is outdated... [02:12] Tonio_: is cairo needed? [02:12] Riddell: I didn't finished the build-dep new list, but I will tell you [02:14] Riddell: ./macros/cairo.m4 looks like yes but I don't know if that's an option... [02:14] Riddell: I thought gnash was opengl based... [02:17] Riddell: looks like it can be compiled with cairo, but that's an option.... I have to perform the full packaging to be sure === \sh [n=shermann@xdsl-81-173-235-52.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] <\sh> moins [02:21] hey \sh :) [02:23] <\sh> I'm tired :( [02:23] hey \sh ;) [02:23] <\sh> Riddell: I updated to 3.5.3 and suddenly the kdm login input fields are missing a frame... [02:24] \sh: confirmed === Hobbsee didnt notice it [02:25] \sh: I saw that too [02:26] I wonder if you have to explicity turn them on now [02:28] <\sh> Riddell: another thing in kubiquity ;) I added 4 partitions and when you are at the stage where you define the mountpoints, it's going out of the frame [02:29] <\sh> I wonder if we can change the UI to kdevdesigner widgets and find a better way for this UI [02:29] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755371 [02:29] that's just annoying [02:31] \sh: got a screenshot? [02:32] <\sh> Riddell: I provide one on tuesday when I install the next t43 [02:32] jpatrick: put generate_oxy_theme.sh in theme/ [02:33] cd theme/ && ./generate_oxy_theme.sh [02:33] Riddell: it just won't run it [02:33] \sh: also for me, but the gui add the fifth elemnt at the point you set the mount point for the forth [02:33] \sh: of course it is not so user friendly [02:34] jpatrick: using cd in a makefile doesn't work, you need to have it on the same line as the command [02:34] cd theme/ && ./generate_oxy_theme.sh [02:34] <\sh> MidMark: well, it's a problem with the frame widget around this... [02:34] \sh: out of frame you mean out of the window? Ah no it is another problem peraphs [02:34] <\sh> no... [02:34] <\sh> out of a frame... [02:34] \sh: that means? === \sh__ [n=shermann@xdsl-84-44-156-168.netcologne.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:36] <\sh__> grmpf === \sh__ is now known as \sh [02:36] <\sh> MidMark: there is a frame widget around the list of partitions and mountpoints [02:36] <\sh> MidMark: this frame is not resized properly [02:37] \sh: I had no problems with 5 partitions, probably the resolution can be the trick? Mine was 1024x768 [02:37] <\sh> MidMark: 1400xsomething [02:38] something less or more than 768? I think more... [02:38] <\sh> MidMark: ati graphicscard in an ibm t43 [02:38] <\sh> MidMark: window was maximized [02:38] that is strange, I have also a screenshot... [02:40] Riddell: confirmed, it is possible (according to the readme) to build gnash without gtk/cairo if we use opengl [02:44] \sh: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot224ml.png [02:45] <\sh> MidMark: and the frame wasn't resized during my install [02:45] Tonio_: interesting [02:45] <\sh> but it could also be a glitch with native xorg ati drivers [02:46] \sh: understood now, I used nv native xorg [02:46] Riddell: well, the readme claims this, but I have a few issues disabling the gtk features ;) maybe the readme is outdated too :( [02:46] \sh: agree yes.. [02:47] <\sh> IMHO a better ui approach would be to have a klistview with listviewitems [02:47] <\sh> and one cell shows the partition, the other cell shows a dropdown with the mountpoints, needs to be editable, and the next cell shows a checkbox for "format" [02:48] <\sh> the list is scrollable, and we don't have problems with resizing frames anymore [02:49] \sh: yep, also adding rows can be more easy, just adding an "add" and "remove" buttons for ex [02:51] guys I have left 3 problems: 1) why my network at boot doesn't ask for an ip from the router's dhcp? I need to disable and enable in order to have one... [02:51] <\sh> MidMark: networkmanager installed? [02:52] \sh: if not by default then not... I'll see [02:53] <\sh> MidMark: if not, it should ask by default...or the nic is not initialized when dhcp is starting..... [02:53] \sh: not installed, I have to install it in order to have a simply dhcp? [02:54] <\sh> MidMark: no...check /etc/network/interfaces.. [02:54] <\sh> MidMark: auth eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp should be there somehow [02:54] <\sh> auto eth0 sorry not auth [02:55] <\sh> MidMark: and it's working normally, checked it yesterday during my installs === abattoir [n=abattoir@59.92.40.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marco_ [n=marco@host-84-221-70-148.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:02] \sh: I'm Midmark, nope with settings you said ip is not released for me [03:03] marco_: why dont you ghost midmark? [03:03] Hobbsee: waiting for timeout [03:03] marco_: if it's registered, you can ghost it [03:03] freenode doesnt often time out nicks :( [03:03] it's not registered [03:04] ah [03:04] <\sh> marco_: hmm...can you check the syslog etc. to see if he tries to do a dhcprequest? [03:05]