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| mdke | anyone know how to make an index page which simply redirects to a url? | 12:59 |
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| mdke | don't make me look it up | 01:03 |
| LaserJock | sorry | 01:04 |
| mdke | ok, it's a pretty ugly hack, but it'll do for now | 01:09 |
| mdke | I've put up the docs at the old server at help.ubuntu.com until the wiki move | 01:09 |
| Burgwork | the amount I know about html could be safely contained in one cup | 01:10 |
| mdke | thankfully the internet knows loads more | 01:10 |
| Burgwork | indeed | 01:10 |
| mdke | lemme know if there are any problems with it | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | mdke: Packaging Guide (HTML and PDF) seem to work fine | 01:16 |
| mdke | ok cool | 01:17 |
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| theCore | the channel seem quiet these days | 03:38 |
| mdke | yep | 03:38 |
| theCore | well, maybe it's a good sign | 03:39 |
| mdke | we need to gather our forces again for the next cycle :) | 03:40 |
| theCore | quiet channel = productivity | 03:40 |
| theCore | I hope the Developer will go well | 03:40 |
| LaserJock | theCore: get cracking on the PG outline :-) | 03:41 |
| theCore | Developer Summit* | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | I hope so too | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | I wish more doc people could go | 03:42 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I got a outline already | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | is it on UbuntuPackagingGuide ? | 03:43 |
| theCore | not yet | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | I didn't get anything in my email box | 03:43 |
| theCore | I copied the wiki on my machine, and edit it locally | 03:45 |
| theCore | so I can use emacs ;) | 03:46 |
| theCore | LaserJock: any ideas for the guide? | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | oh jeeze | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | it's really that hard to do it on the wiki? ;-) | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | oh, I have my idea | 03:47 |
| LaserJock | s | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | but I want other peoplpe to contribute before I work on it | 03:48 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I see | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | if I'm going to be working on the Ubuntu Developer's Reference I need to make sure that I have lots of help for the PG | 03:48 |
| LaserJock | and it isn't all about me, it is the communities doc | 03:49 |
| theCore | oh, I didn't heard about this one | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | theCore: do you know the Debian Developer's Reference? it is on www.debian.org/devel/ | 03:49 |
| theCore | LaserJock: yeah | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | Ian Jackson (who wrote it and worked on most of the Debian developer docs) started an Ubuntu port of it | 03:52 |
| LaserJock | but he is also very busy as the Ubuntu firefox guy so he wanted me to take it over | 03:52 |
| theCore | LaserJock: that sound familiar to me ... | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | mhm | 03:55 |
| theCore | LaserJock: did you got the PG the same way? | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | sort of | 03:55 |
| theCore | Technical Committee -- chairman: Ian Jackson | 03:58 |
| theCore | not an average Joe | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | no | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | sort of intimidating | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | but it is also not within the doc team | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | it is sgml and I have html, pdf, and translations to think about | 04:00 |
| mdke | the build system is there already, presumably | 04:01 |
| kbrooks | bbl, bed | 04:01 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yes, thankfully | 04:01 |
| theCore | I wonder how the Debian folks are feeling about seeing one of their top developpers playing with Ubuntu | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | well, there are others | 04:02 |
| theCore | does sgml is close to docbook? | 04:03 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:03 |
| LaserJock | yes, I think so | 04:03 |
| theCore | I think it's mostly the same thing, isn't it? | 04:04 |
| theCore | so, converting it to docbook will be easy | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | welll, I don't think I'll be doing that | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | it is set up with the debian doc system and I don't wan to mess with that | 04:06 |
| mdke | you can't | 04:06 |
| LaserJock | can't what? | 04:07 |
| mdke | you'll be trying to ensure that you can just patch the debian version | 04:07 |
| mdke | you can't convert it to docbook | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | I guess I could, but I don't think that would be wise | 04:07 |
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| theCore | so, the guide will be just an Ubuntu-ized version of the Debian Developer's Reference? | 04:11 |
| LaserJock | it will be the Ubuntu Developer's Reference and yes it is Ubuntuizing the DDR | 04:12 |
| theCore | then we are better to keep it to sgml, so if there are changes on the Debian side, we can merge them back into our guide | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | yeah, and it is its own package | 04:14 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I submitted a few ideas on the wiki | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | great | 04:16 |
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| Madpilot | Burgundavia: ping | 04:35 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot: pong | 04:35 |
| Madpilot | ah, you are home already | 04:36 |
| Madpilot | I actually wanted the real install disc, not the LiveCD disc - I know how to use the old-fashioned installer... | 04:36 |
| LaserJock | hi Madpilot and Burgundavia | 04:36 |
| Burgundavia | well then you should have told me | 04:36 |
| Burgundavia | live with yer livecd, boy | 04:36 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: I thought I had - I asked for an install disc | 04:37 |
| theCore | LaserJock: so, any comments? | 04:37 |
| Burgundavia | you did and one you got | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | that is why they have been renamed to Desktop Cd and Alternate CD | 04:37 |
| Madpilot | Can the LiveCD installer be trusted around existing partitions? I haven't got most of my stuff backed up, and if this thing eats /home I'll be highly unimpressed... | 04:37 |
| robotgeek | the uncool installer | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | theCore: hmm, let me hack on it for a sec | 04:38 |
| robotgeek | Madpilot: file a bug | 04:38 |
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| Burgundavia | yes, it can be | 04:38 |
| Burgundavia | it has not yet eaten my window install | 04:38 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: too bad ;) | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | it ate all my stuff on Flight7 | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | more or less | 04:38 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: flight7 was a while ago | 04:38 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: hopefully that was just Flight7, not this final release LiveCD... | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | I don't think so but I thought the partitioner sucked | 04:39 |
| Madpilot | meh. It can read existing partition tables, at least? | 04:39 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 04:39 |
| Madpilot | OK... here goes nothing... | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | that's right, be adventurous | 04:40 |
| Madpilot | thanks... I think | 04:41 |
| Madpilot | I really need to set money aside for a 2nd HDD, just in case Edgy fubars my system too :| | 04:42 |
| robotgeek | i'm only going to vmware from now on :) | 04:43 |
| robotgeek | or Xen | 04:44 |
| theCore | robotgeek: what is vmware, btw? | 04:44 |
| Madpilot | that still needs a base OS to run on, and mine is currently borked | 04:44 |
| robotgeek | theCore: allows you to run a different OS instance on top of another | 04:44 |
| robotgeek | you could run linux on windows, windows on linux and so on | 04:45 |
| Madpilot | um, should I just delete sda1, re-create it, and make sure it's designated as root? I can't see a way of saying "Use this existing partition as root, and delete everything in it first" | 04:45 |
| theCore | robotgeek: looks cool, must be slow | 04:45 |
| robotgeek | theCore: actually no, its decent | 04:48 |
| Madpilot | where the heck is the 'use this partition as root' flag in this graphical thing? | 04:49 |
| Madpilot | anyone? | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | honestly, I'm not sure | 04:50 |
| theCore | robotgeek: anyway, i didn't used Windows for a year now, and I don't plan to use it soon, thanks for the info | 04:50 |
| theCore | Madpilot: I think it's to make the partition only readable (or mountable) by root | 04:51 |
| robotgeek | theCore: could work like a chroot too, run breezy in dapper, edgy in dapper and so on | 04:51 |
| theCore | ahh | 04:52 |
| theCore | / <- root | 04:52 |
| theCore | Madpilot: it's the mount point of the partition | 04:53 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I know. Apparently this livecd installer does things in a different order from the text installer, though | 04:53 |
| Madpilot | in the 'real' installer, you set up all your paritions & assign roles to them at once. Apparently the gui thing does partitions first, then assigns roles in the next screen... | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | ah | 04:55 |
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| LaserJock | hi jsgotangco | 05:03 |
| jsgotangco | good morning | 05:04 |
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| LaserJock | to much Dapper partying? | 05:04 |
| Madpilot | right, I just hit the Install button... here goes... | 05:05 |
| Madpilot | ;) | 05:05 |
| LaserJock | wow, if you got that far it should work ok | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: we went to karaoke last night | 05:05 |
| jsgotangco | i feel like i have this huge gash on top of my palate | 05:06 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: it's retribution for inflicting karaoke on the universe, that's what it is. :) | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 05:07 |
| jsgotangco | hmm how do i erase a cd in default gnome? | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | cdrw rather | 05:12 |
| Madpilot | Gnomebaker? | 05:12 |
| jsgotangco | well that's installing one more app | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | i was looking for something in the default | 05:13 |
| Madpilot | can Nautilus? | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | nautilus can burn | 05:13 |
| Madpilot | I should buy a CDRW or two and check... | 05:13 |
| Madpilot | ah, Installation is apparently complete (that was fast)... I will now reboot, and see what's working... | 05:14 |
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| LaserJock | k3b? | 05:20 |
| mgalvin | jsgotangco: just use cdrecord to do it | 05:20 |
| jsgotangco | console? yuck | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 05:21 |
| mgalvin | :) | 05:21 |
| mgalvin | heres are few examples | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | xcdroast! | 05:21 |
| mgalvin | http://www.cpqlinux.com/cdrw.html | 05:21 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: k3b is probably the best burner atm although its a kde app | 05:22 |
| mgalvin | at least its part of the default install | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | (best burner frontend rather) | 05:22 |
| LaserJock | I know but you went from nautilus to k3b | 05:22 |
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| LaserJock | gnomebaker seemed really nice to me | 05:23 |
| mgalvin | nautilus uses cdrecord to do its bidding anyway | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | don't they all | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version. | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | Please send bug reports and support requests to <cdrtools@packages.debian. org>. | 05:24 |
| jsgotangco | The original author should not be bothered with problems of this version. | 05:24 |
| mgalvin | LaserJock: probably, i'm not sure though | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | k3b uses cdrecord | 05:25 |
| mgalvin | jsgotangco: it always says that, just ignore it :-/ | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco: that is because the upstream author of cdrecord is very hard to work with | 05:29 |
| theCore | LaserJock: have you done with the editing? | 05:32 |
| LaserJock | nope | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | I'm slow | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | and I had to do some things around the house ;-) | 05:34 |
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| Madpilot | back - everything seems to have worked! | 05:38 |
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| LaserJock | Madpilot: \o/ | 05:39 |
| Madpilot | gah... why does 'killall gnome-panel' kill XChat too? | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | umm, because it isn't a part of gnome-panel | 05:39 |
| Lathiat | probably because it has a tray icon | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | and crashes when the tray disappears | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | as some thigns tended to do | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | altho many were fixee | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | d | 05:41 |
| Madpilot | evidently XChat hasn't been fixed... | 05:41 |
| theCore | hmm... the Makefile is broken | 05:51 |
| theCore | cp -r ../generic/serverguide/C/sample/* ../build/ubuntu/serverguide/C/sample/ | 05:51 |
| theCore | cp: cannot stat `../generic/serverguide/C/sample/*': No such file or directory | 05:51 |
| theCore | make[1] : *** [server] Error 1 | 05:51 |
| theCore | make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/alex/docs/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu' | 05:51 |
| theCore | make: *** [website] Error 2 | 05:51 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, too bad D has already been done: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/dugong/ | 05:57 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: that is the most annoying animation loop I ever saw | 06:04 |
| Burgundavia | theCore: really, I am sure i could find worse | 06:04 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: wait, no it come in second place | 06:04 |
| Madpilot | ...after the badger one? ;) | 06:04 |
| theCore | that's the one: http://www.zombo.com/ | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | theCore: ok, I updated it | 06:10 |
| theCore | LaserJock: "Experience users who" | 06:11 |
| theCore | LaserJock: btw, which mail client do you use? | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | oh, thunderbird, Mail.app, mutt, pine | 06:17 |
| theCore | Mail.app? | 06:17 |
| theCore | a mac app? | 06:18 |
| Burgundavia | theCore: I have found somethign more annoying: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha/ | 06:18 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: impossible | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | theCore: yeah, I use an iMac for most things | 06:18 |
| theCore | LaserJock: is it good? it seem a lot of web developpers are using Mac these days | 06:19 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: ok, I can handle anymore | 06:20 |
| theCore | s/dle/dle it/ | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I like it except for the fact that there is hardly any good free software | 06:20 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: yeah, it's even more annoying than Zombo.com | 06:21 |
| Burgundavia | theCore: hah | 06:21 |
| === LaserJock is unsure why people would purposefully look for the most annoying animation on the net | ||
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: I am enjoying the randomness of flash on teh net | 06:22 |
| theCore | LaserJock: yeah, switching to a Mac seem to imply a switch from free software to shareware | 06:22 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: ok, that site is so funny | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | theCore: well, not Mac specifically (you can put linux on it after all) but it is on par with Windows (from what I've seen) when it comes to non-free ($0) software | 06:24 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: it's so random | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | I would definately dual boot with Ubuntu/OSX rather than Ubuntu/Windows XP | 06:26 |
| theCore | LaserJock: the GUI on Mac is sexy, I must give that. I wish that Gnome come par to Aqua, if it does it will be a giant win | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | meh | 06:26 |
| theCore | s/Mac/OSX/ | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | I think it should be differnt, why try to clone somebody else's product | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | Gnome is sweet (KDE too for that matter) and I think all the GUIs have their pro's and con's | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | that's not to say that we can't learn anything from OSZ | 06:28 |
| theCore | LaserJock: not cloning, but offering a higher-level of interactivity would make Gnome much usable | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | OSX | 06:28 |
| theCore | I think OSX is becoming much more dangerous than | 06:29 |
| theCore | windows | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, I still use OS X as a glorified terminal | 06:29 |
| Burgundavia | theCore: they both present strategic threats, but I think MS is still the bigger threat than Apple | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | as far as a threat to Ubuntu I think OSX is bigger | 06:30 |
| theCore | Apple aims the developpers and the artists; those we need to get on our side | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | in my field, I have seen people go from Windows -> OSX, Linux -> OS X, Windows -> Linux, but never OSX -> Linux or OSX -> Windows | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | theCore: also scientists | 06:31 |
| theCore | LaserJock: bizzare | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | lots and lots of scientists | 06:32 |
| theCore | LaserJock: indeed | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | you get the Unix underpinnings with an easy to use interface | 06:32 |
| theCore | "Unix" | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | people who would rather drop dead then use Windows will use OSX with out to much of a problem | 06:33 |
| robotgeek | OS X's unix sucks! | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | my boss ran *nix for probally 20 years and this year he has converted the whole lab (virtually) to OS X | 06:34 |
| theCore | the problem right is that Linux hasn't a lot of killer apps for the end-users | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | in my field I think the biggest problem is the perception that Linux is not a desktop OS | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | they don't mind using it for a computational server | 06:35 |
| theCore | Apache is probably the biggest killer apps for Linux, but end-users don't care about building server | 06:35 |
| theCore | even if Linux is 10x faster for statistical computing? | 06:37 |
| theCore | compared to OS X | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | 10x? | 06:37 |
| === robotgeek has installed a cluster on linux, dead easy :) | ||
| LaserJock | oh yeah, we use Linux exclusively for computational clusters and servers | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | but I'm the only one in the department that presently usese Linux as a desktop OS | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | out of ~ 100 people | 06:39 |
| theCore | LaserJock: the XNU hybrid kernel is a turtle compared to Linux | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | theCore: I have no idea, but my iMac is the fastest computer available to me | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 06:39 |
| theCore | LaserJock: that is where Ubuntu is changing the rules, the Desktop | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's why I started with the MOTU and Edubuntu | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | to bring desktop Linux to scientists | 06:40 |
| theCore | I hope with Edgy we will push the desktop even further | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | there is a ways to go still, but we are making progress | 06:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | theCore, its not the kernel at frault afaik, apple just stuffed up somewhat | 06:44 |
| theCore | Xgl seem to a good opportunity | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | xgl has issues among the xorg devs | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | all I know is that the fastest computers in the department are all Apples | 06:45 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: really? | 06:45 |
| theCore | Kamping_Kaiser: I wonder what it is then | 06:46 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | theCore, i hear macos x memory management is something shocking | 06:46 |
| Burgundavia | theCore: yep | 06:47 |
| Burgundavia | the whole "new X server thing" has got them a little annoyed | 06:47 |
| theCore | Kamping_Kaiser: memory isn't managed by the kernel? | 06:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | theCore, i dont remember how it works (wonder if ihave the link still), but i saw someone be less tehn complementry about the way apple had worked the memory mangement | 06:49 |
| theCore | I wonder how we could bring artists to Linux .... | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | by making it a professional look OS that has apps that have the functionality they need | 06:50 |
| theCore | Kamping_Kaiser: I think I saw a page on that | 06:50 |
| Burgundavia | create a great plaform and they will come | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | just like any other group :-) | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | it might be easier to say how to *not* bring <group> to Linux | 06:52 |
| theCore | that's a bit self-referential, to get artists, you need artists... | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | yep | 06:53 |
| theCore | but everything is like that | 06:53 |
| theCore | to get <group>, you need <group> | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | but I do think there are things we can do in general to help attract all groups, I think | 06:54 |
| theCore | because they're the only who know what they need | 06:54 |
| theCore | LaserJock: I hope so | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | however, some of the things are sort of anti-Linux philosophy so I'm not sure they'll ever work | 06:56 |
| theCore | like? | 06:56 |
| robotgeek | yeah, some people are totally anti linux. | 06:56 |
| LaserJock | IMHO, we have too much redundant software | 06:57 |
| theCore | robotgeek: really? | 06:57 |
| theCore | LaserJock: good point | 06:57 |
| robotgeek | theCore: yes, everyone has their share of irrationality | 06:57 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: redundant software is solved by better software and better social practices | 06:57 |
| theCore | LaserJock: just look at the distros | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | choice is good until we start diluting our resources until we have thousands of pieces of crap | 06:57 |
| robotgeek | wow, xubuntu looks sweet! | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | the Linux science software is full of half-baked ideas that never really got anywhere | 06:58 |
| theCore | LaserJock: at least Ubuntu is doing a job at bringing peoples together | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | I agree | 06:58 |
| theCore | a good job* | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: I agree | 06:59 |
| robotgeek | LaserJock: for example, look for a decent image processing library | 06:59 |
| LaserJock | at this point I can't say to my boss, "Look Linux has superior software to the stuff you can buy us for OS X" | 07:00 |
| theCore | there something we must not forget: quality worth more than policy | 07:00 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: what is needed is a group of app devs together and work on stuff in common | 07:00 |
| theCore | it's not enough to be open-source, it must be good | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | Burgundavia: totally | 07:01 |
| Burgundavia | LaserJock: you are well placed to start that kind of conversation | 07:01 |
| theCore | Burgundavia: it could be great | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | if Linux in general was an extension of how I see Ubuntu working then I think we could make great strides | 07:01 |
| Burgundavia | one of these days I am going to get all the app makers of gtk+ education apps together and hash some things out | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | yeah! | 07:02 |
| theCore | +1 for a ubuntu app-dev group | 07:02 |
| robotgeek | scilab vs octave vs scipy vs numpy (all of them do the same thing, differently) | 07:02 |
| Burgundavia | I think all they need is the idea that there app may be shipped | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | exactly | 07:02 |
| robotgeek | i picked scipy, ended up reading stuff from Matlab documentation | 07:03 |
| theCore | I hope that conversation will continue to Ubuntu Developer's Summit | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | if we could get together in a spirit of cooperation and teamwork we can start pulling things together | 07:05 |
| theCore | and drop the zealotry | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | well, zealotry for quality open-source software we need to keep ;-) | 07:06 |
| theCore | haha, I hope you're being sarcarstic :P | 07:06 |
| theCore | that make me remember something: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-3.html | 07:09 |
| theCore | "Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen." | 07:09 |
| theCore | pushing the limits of computing; that's what peoples should aims for | 07:13 |
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| Madpilot | I think we should have a feed from ELER on the Fridge :) | 08:02 |
| Madpilot | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/terrorismistic | 08:04 |
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| ploum_ | Hello | 01:18 |
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| === mdke does a little dance | ||
| pygi | mdke, what happened this time? :) | 09:59 |
| mdke | I've been battling against fop, and have succeeded in vanquishing it | 10:00 |
| pygi | o joy, congrats :) | 10:01 |
| theCore | yay, activity! | 10:10 |
| pygi | theCore, Lol :) | 10:11 |
| theCore | it been 5+ hour without anything happen here | 10:12 |
| mdke | 14 to be precise | 10:12 |
| pygi | o joy :) | 10:13 |
| mdke | pygi: you are very joyful today | 10:14 |
| pygi | mdke, hehe :) | 10:14 |
| pygi | mdke, rather that then to be sad :) | 10:16 |
| mdke | quite | 10:16 |
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| === mdke begins uploading pdfs to Lulu | ||
| === mdke wonders if the Desktop Guide is "suitable for all ages and tastes" | ||
| pygi | mdke, what will we print? | 10:32 |
| pygi | desktop guides? | 10:33 |
| mdke | everything | 10:33 |
| pygi | mdke, then you shall help me someday to prepare cookbook for lulu? :) | 10:33 |
| mdke | sure, we can do that for edgy, if you convert it to docbook | 10:33 |
| pygi | we'll even have this version in docbook | 10:34 |
| mdke | in _valid_ docbook? | 10:34 |
| pygi | yes, valid docbook :) | 10:35 |
| mdke | jolly good | 10:36 |
| mdke | it'd be nice to see edubuntu docs working nicely in our repo alongside the {x//k}ubuntu ones | 10:36 |
| mdke | at the moment we only have releasenotes/aboutedubuntu/school-advocacy | 10:38 |
| pygi | yup, I know | 10:41 |
| pygi | I have to poke around ubuntu-doc list so me and Susan could get svn access | 10:41 |
| mdke | cool | 10:43 |
| mdke | we always like new help :) | 10:43 |
| pygi | I am always willing to help ;) | 10:44 |
| pygi | Altought I'll try to avoid the thing which I done with network-manager :P | 10:44 |
| pygi | (one week no sleep) | 10:44 |
| mdke | heh | 10:44 |
| theCore | mdke: well, it's not suitable to all tastes ... | 10:47 |
| mdke | theCore: sorry? | 10:48 |
| mdke | ah, the desktop guide | 10:48 |
| mdke | it's offensive, you think? | 10:48 |
| theCore | mdke: yeah, you need to be a geek | 10:48 |
| theCore | not offensive | 10:49 |
| mdke | I don't think you need to be a geek | 10:49 |
| mdke | hope not anyway | 10:49 |
| === theCore missed completely his joke | ||
| mdke | ah, my bad | 10:52 |
| mdke | pygi: here is the list of what we are publishing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/CompleteBookTranslations | 10:54 |
| === pygi looks | ||
| theCore | mdke: what did you choosed for the cover? | 10:56 |
| pygi | mdke, why not also croatian desktop guide? :p | 10:56 |
| mdke | pygi: it wasn't translated in time | 10:57 |
| mdke | theCore: Madpilot has been handling it, I think I have a copy somewhere, hang on | 10:57 |
| pygi | mdke, ah, well :) | 10:57 |
| mdke | pygi: we'll add it when we update the translations next | 10:57 |
| pygi | mdke, nah, don't worry ;) | 10:58 |
| mdke | pygi: well, I intend to add all the new ones when we update the translations. Do you want me to make an exception for hr? | 10:59 |
| mdke | theCore: sorry, can't find it | 10:59 |
| pygi | mdke, nop, I was just worried that you would work just for hr | 10:59 |
| pygi | if you are adding all, then this one can be good as well ;) | 11:00 |
| theCore | mdke: ok, thanks for trying | 11:00 |
| mdke | pygi: if you can translate the other guides too, I'll add them | 11:01 |
| pygi | mdke, oki, I might give it a try | 11:02 |
| theCore | mdke: do you know how the karma thing in launchpad works? | 11:05 |
| mdke | theCore: if you do uploads, file bugs, add specs or add translations, you get karma | 11:06 |
| theCore | mdke: do you know how the total is calulated? | 11:07 |
| mdke | theCore: no | 11:07 |
| theCore | mdke: I just wandering how much karma do you have? | 11:07 |
| mdke | not sure, you can look | 11:08 |
| theCore | oh, ok | 11:08 |
| mdke | 20185 | 11:08 |
| theCore | mdke: O_o | 11:08 |
| theCore | mdke: I have a merely 334pt | 11:09 |
| mdke | oh well. File more bugs! | 11:09 |
| theCore | I merely have* | 11:09 |
| Laser_away | I've only got 5500+ | 11:09 |
| theCore | only? | 11:09 |
| mdke | Laser_away: you SUCK | 11:09 |
| LaserJock | I do | 11:10 |
| === mdke was just in the act of uploading the packaging guide to lulu | ||
| mdke | tut, no full stop at the end of the abstract | 11:11 |
| LaserJock | woot \o/ | 11:11 |
| crimsun | barely over 30k :( | 11:12 |
| === theCore got for some karma hunting | ||
| theCore | go* | 11:12 |
| mdke | 11:14 | |
| pygi | mdke, any chance you know when are langpacks updates? | 11:14 |
| LaserJock | mdke: what's that | 11:14 |
| mdke | LaserJock: shame on you | 11:14 |
| mdke | pygi: after about a month I guess | 11:14 |
| mdke | LaserJock: . | 11:14 |
| pygi | mdke, thanks | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | ack, all I see is a bunch of \u codes | 11:18 |
| mdke | oh right. You must be on some inferior operating system | 11:18 |
| mdke | it's the abstract from the packaging guide in korean | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | ah cool | 11:19 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I wonder if irssi just doesn't like unicode | 11:24 |
| mdke | yeah, you need to set some option | 11:25 |
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| LaserJock | doh, so I forgot a . ? | 11:27 |
| mdke | yeah, you'll be judged on that | 11:27 |
| mdke | :( | 11:28 |
| Laser_away | that stinks | 11:29 |
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| mdke | mm? | 11:30 |
| LaserJock | I should have seen that | 11:30 |
| mdke | it's so trivial | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | but annoying | 11:31 |
| LaserJock | darn, I was hoping Corey was around | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm so excited about the Packaging Guide and Developer's Reference for Edgy | 11:34 |
| pygi | LaserJock, :) | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | pygi, and of course I'll be eager to see how the Edubuntu cookbook goes too | 11:36 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 11:36 |
| pygi | LaserJock, hehe :) | 11:36 |
| pygi | It's called "How To Cook Edubuntu?", remember? :) | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I have a hard time remembering that | 11:38 |
| LaserJock | Edubuntu Cookbook sound more natural to my American ears :-) | 11:38 |
| pygi | well, it is actually Edubuntu Cookbook,it's just named the way it's named :P | 11:38 |
| === mdke finishes uploading pdfs to lulu, sighs | ||
| LaserJock | so when will they be available to buy? | 11:41 |
| pygi | LaserJock, should be right now | 11:41 |
| mdke | once Madpilot has done the covers and we've uploaded those | 11:41 |
| pygi | ah, covers ;) | 11:41 |
| LaserJock | I'll try to get my Grandpa to buy the Packaging Guide when it's up ;-) | 11:42 |
| pygi | LaserJock, lol :) | 11:43 |
| LaserJock | he was interested in lulu.com when I was over there last weekend | 11:44 |
| pygi | I saw cafepress also offers book printing | 11:44 |
| pygi | not sure how cafepress and lulu compare tho | 11:44 |
| mdke | me neither | 11:45 |
| mdke | lulu is great though | 11:45 |
| pygi | what type on "bindings" are we doing? | 11:45 |
| mdke | erm | 11:46 |
| mdke | thingy | 11:46 |
| mdke | Perfect Bound | 11:46 |
| pygi | there is paperback and Hardcover if I am not mistaken | 11:47 |
| mdke | it's Perfect Bound | 11:47 |
| mdke | there are a few types of paperback | 11:47 |
| pygi | hm,ok | 11:48 |
| LaserJock | mdke: did the wiki get moved yet? | 11:52 |
| mdke | no :-( | 11:53 |
| mdke | monday hopefully | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | k | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | but the docs have moved? | 11:55 |
| mdke | eh? | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | help.ubuntu.com/6.06 is now default when you go to help.ubuntu.com | 11:57 |
| mdke | that's still the old server | 11:57 |
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| theCore | mdke: did you made changes in the Makefiles recently? | 12:00 |
| mdke | theCore: probably | 12:00 |
| theCore | because, right now the Makefile is so broken | 12:01 |
| mdke | works fine for me | 12:01 |
| theCore | fop.sh? | 12:01 |
| theCore | where is this script? | 12:02 |
| mdke | read branches/dapper/libs/pdf/README | 12:02 |
| theCore | does the main trunk works fine? | 12:05 |
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